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Tumblereads 28: Fancy Special Editions
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We're talking about fancy special editions today.
Show notes (with copious links and other fun things) at smutreport.com/podcast
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Introduction and Hosts' Struggles with Intros
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Hi everybody, welcome to the Smut Report podcast, your ah Sunday night fun times of listening to us talk about romance books slash maybe you listen on your Monday morning commute.
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I don't know. I don't actually look at any of our um analytics. So I have no idea when people actually listen to this. I just know that some, we have some listeners. So some, some number of listeners. Thank you for being here. ah um Anyway, ah we're tumble reading ah as we so frequently do. And I, Holly, will be leading us this week.
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and i' And I'm Aaron. Dear friends. Oh, yes. Sorry. yeah i No, I don't know. I'm Aaron. I'm Ingrid. Yes. ah That was ah we you would think we've done like 75 podcast episodes. You would think that we would have figured out how to introduce ourselves by now. But no apparently never introductions are like the hardest part of the podcast.
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They really are. It's almost like we should discuss a plan of action. Yeah. Or like have a set template. At least for intro and outro. ah Poor Ingrid with the outros. She's just like, there's stuff happening somewhere. I don't know. I i wrote things down last time, but then I recycled it. now I'm in trouble again.
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ah You need to like have a sticky note and put on your microphone or something. I don't know. That was the goal. I had it all written down and I was like, this is going to solve this problem for me. I wrote down exactly what Holly says on hers because hers always sound good. And then I just recycled it because I was like, this doesn't look important.
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Nope, it was. Not important. This is why we love you so much, Ingrid. I'm so efficient. So efficient. I am efficient and effective. fun Yes, is...
Special Edition Re-releases in Publishing
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you really are um so i want to talk about today is um special Special edition re-releases.
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Oh. So we're going straight with opinions today. What? I said we're going straight with like just all feelings opinions today. Is that what we're doing? Maybe. think so, yeah. Hot takes. don't know.
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We might be choosing violence, but we'll see. I don't know. I love Holly. Okay. Aaron's O was like, ugh. I don't know what this is. What do you want to talk about specifically, Holly? Well, okay. So I don't know.
00:02:35
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I do have a starter for this conversation. So I don't know if you guys saw this, but AH squared, which is Adriana Herrera and Allie Hazelwood, who've like teamed up to do some Kickstarter stuff.
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And they, their first project together was like a collection of dystopian novellas that were new, new dystopian novellas. um ah But they just announced that their next Kickstarter thing that they're doing together are special edition re-releases of five historical romances.
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Okay. So similar to what Julia Quinn did, basically. Yeah. where And so they picked, they have a selection of books that are like classic, older historical romances that are getting re-released with but it like beautiful new cover art and hardcover and all the things. Yeah.
00:03:38
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And I don't know how I feel about it. I guess that now that two big authors have done this, like Julia Quinn and Allie Hazelwood, I would say are both big authors. Now that two big authors have done this, I'm like, is this a trend now? And I don't know how I feel about it. Like part of me really likes it and part of me really hates it. And so I'm very conflicted.
00:03:59
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So you're talking specifically about like when authors release like collector's edition. Yes. prince Well, but it's not in this case and in Julia Quinn's case.
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And I think in a lot of cases, it's not their own books. They've curated other books that they are wanting to publish in this fancy format.
Kickstarter as a Funding Model for Authors
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Right. Like, yes. Yes.
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I mean, I assume that the authors whose books are included are getting a royalty cut in some way. Well, I'm sure. But yes, these are curated lists. Yes. That's one of the one of the things I originally thought when I saw that type of thing was I would just love to see the contract for that because presumably this is for a purpose, correct? Yeah. It's like fundraising, correct? Yeah.
00:04:51
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Yeah, well, they're trying to make money on it. So well, because the thing is, is like, the number of people that are going to get paid out on that, like, I can't fathom that that is a very um effective fundraising tool. i i What do you mean? What do you mean?
00:05:08
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Well, like, how are they going to make, are they making, what this isn't for philanthropic purposes, this is just for them? Oh, yeah, I like that, very little. Yeah, I mean, and so Julia Quinn's, which closed last month in April, had 1,300 backers and $600,000. Yeah, it was a lot. includes nine titles, I want to say. Over two years. Through 2026 and 2027. Nine titles over two years.
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Okay, so we'll say that's 10 authors. Julia Quinn plus the nine books she's curated are getting paid out of this $600,000 pot.
00:05:50
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Yeah, I'm really curious about that because Kickstarter is so interesting, right? Mm-hmm. um in the In the case of Kickstarter, usually, and ah definitely for Julia Quinn's, because i i know I talked to you guys about struggling with that, the more...
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the the more goals that were met the more special things were on offer right so she started with tiers of like just the books for 2026 the and books i'm not sure if there was only and then you could do a bundle that was like books plus stationary or books plus whatever and then as different fundraising goals were met different things were unlocked so for example lisa klepas uh agreed to do the entire wallflower series initially in 2027 it was just going to be one of the wallflowers books right so you could get the books plus this special edition wallflower series Or at one point, Loretta Chase, ah who was doing Lord of Scoundrels, did an add-on. Or Tessa Dare is one of the ones in 2027. And she offered a couple different things. I think one was help decide which book because she just was like one of my titles.
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It wasn't decided. ah Or maybe it was one of my titles in one specific series. I can't remember. um And then maybe there was an add-on book as well there. So it's like the whole point of Kickstarter is supposed to be able to fund the project so that the stuff is paid for in terms of production, shipping, blah, blah, blah, blah. blah Right. and so And some profit for the... Right.
00:07:38
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And this, I mean, Julia Quinn's in particular is like a thousand percent funded either. It started with the goal is like $100,000 something. And as Holly said, it became $600,000. And where is that money going? Like that's well more. So is that going to get shuffled back into the 2028 production releases or what? Because I think with the Julia Quinn goal, and I would really love to look up this AH squared one to see what that looks like too. Well, it's not live yet. It's the historical romance. Okay. So they've just been teasing it. They have a Kickstarter page. They do have a list of what books they're going to do, but not any other information. Okay. Yeah. So I'll link to it in the show notes and we can talk about the list of books because I'm... I also have some thoughts about that, but sorry, go ahead. Yes. I would love to, but so my, just to finish my thought, I know Julia Quinn said, it's not, I don't think it's fair that historical romance doesn't get the royal treatment that all these other popular books are getting. Like this is definitely a thing in contemporary romance. I showed
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Holly, I don't know if that I showed Ingrid, I showed Holly my special edition heated rivalry books. And now there's another set of special edition heated rivalry books that I was like, well, maybe I'm going to like that cover better. But I wanted hard covers so that I had better paper quality and hard covers, you know, as opposed to my mass market paperbacks for heated rivalry in the long game. Well, now they're going to come out with unrivaled. So I'm going to have a mismatch set like this is what makes me crazy. And I'm like, oh, yeah.
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Like, so anyway, like it this has been happening. There's been several romanticity additions as well. And so it makes sense that for historical romance fans, they'd be like, what about us? And Julia Quinn was like, yeah, I got you because she's now got so much money.
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Right.
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starting a publishing venture basically right if she can get it crowdfunded and this is the point of crowdfunding that she doesn't have to take on the liability personally So in that regard, I think that's great. I think what's really frustrating to me is, like I said, I've got these heated rivalry and and other special editions that I
Risks and Legalities in Publishing
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really like these books. They're the like, I want to keep them on my shelf. I want to have one that's going to be durable. But to stick with the Julia Quinn, I and I think I texted this in the chat.
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I was like, well, I really want these books. Like I want a copy of Lord of Scoundrels and I want a copy of Luckiest Lady in London. But do I want all nine books?
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i so I don't know that I do. Or like with the Lisa Kleypas example in particular. Well, yeah, Devil in Winter is great. But like I want all four of the Wallflowers books to match, right? If I'm going to get one of them. So then when it was like, oh, the whole series is coming out, that's great. But then I also texted and I was like, okay, but is it going to be the Baudelaire's version? Probably it will be. So it's not going to be the OG version. So then what? So all these decisions to make. But I think the most frustrating thing for me is that they'll do these special editions and then you just have the one book. You don't get the whole series. You can't usually buy it as a one off. Yeah. If you just want one. and I find that deeply irritating. And then like the other thing is having this continuous loop of like, here's the new special edition of Heated Rivalry. Like, I don't need five Heated Rivalries.
00:11:04
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I have five Heated Rivalries, but I don't need them. I guess my – I understand, like, that – Erin, you brought up a good point because I do like when my books coordinate on my shelf. I do.
00:11:14
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On the other hand, woe what really gets me is, like, i guess there's – it's, like, the meat of the issue here. do You know what i mean? Like – the whole point of having these publishing houses, right, was that they're supposed to take the risk to make these beautiful things that we wanted to acquire.
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So like authors doing Kickstarter things so that they don't have to shoulder the risk of putting out these books that may or may not sell. Like that's That's business. Right.
00:11:41
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You're supposed to take the risk. I thought this was a fundraising thing when when you guys were first talking about it. So I was like, okay, like you know whatever, man. Because I was like, I wonder how that's going to work. like It doesn't seem like a very effective fundraiser if – because guaranteed those books still have contracts. Now, what it feels like to me is you know you're getting a bunch of backlist titles – bumps. I'm sure that even if you, even if people aren't buying the fancy editions, it being on the internet and having the Kickstarter is going to make people pick up the book in other ways too. So it's probably boosting backlist titles in general. So it's lucrative on multiple levels, I'm sure, for these authors. um And yeah, like good for the authors for coming up with these creative ways. But for me, it just feels like more indicators that the
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the rome The publishing industry has some annoying issues. Yeah. At its core, because I'm just like, so publishing has kind of offloaded the risk of taking on new authors by picking up self-published authors and then re-releasing their books, right?
00:12:48
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That stinks. And then on top of it, now you have authors who are like, well, we want to boost backlist titles. And so they're coming up with these ways where the readers are, so you know, it's just, it's like, what? Like...
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You guys are mammoth publishing companies own most of these authors works. i'm I'm assuming. Right. And so like you're telling me these mammoth publishing companies can't shoulder some of the risk for these projects like this is it just is so weird. Like what what are we living in right now? This is just the weirdest thing. I just think it's so I mean, it's fine. It's whatever. But I just find it very weird.
00:13:20
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Yeah, I am curious, ah like some of these older titles, um like Lord of Scoundrels or the Lisa Kleypas books that came out 30 years ago, if the authors have had their rights reverted, right? Well, and that's and certainly possible, right? And that this is because 30 years is a common 30 or 50. Yeah, I don't know. It's common.
00:13:44
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You know, or if Avon is holding, I assume it was Avon, like Avon is holding on to like Lisa, the Wallflower series with a death grip because it I'm sure that they're, they would, and still make some money.
00:13:56
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I can't fathom that they wouldn't have re-upped if it's selling, you know, that they wouldn't have re-upped the contracts. But, you know, I, that's just one of the things having been out of the publishing industry for a little while now. um the I'd be curious if, you know, like, let's say that it was 30 years was up, they redid a contract and maybe the author retained rights for some kind of special decor, like, Right. One time run special edition not to exceed a certain number. And then the publisher would get a smaller kickback on that because the author is shouldering the whatever, you know. So it could be something like that.
00:14:29
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yes It's just, I still think it's very strange. yeah I'm very curious about the nuts and bolts of these agreements, I guess. About, about, well, and there's all, and I know that there are several authors who are experimenting also, like authors with large followings who are experimenting with Kickstarters to help them fund their new releases now. Sure. They're like, yeah. Right. ah I think. Or audiobooks. Famous.
00:14:56
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What? Or audiobooks. Yeah. Yeah. Um, oh, geez, there was ah like one of the big fantasy guys like famously does this and I don't remember who it is. Um,
00:15:08
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But there are some romance authors with long running series that are just like, well, Brandon Sanderson. Oh, yeah. Yes. Made like a million dollars or something. It's like ridiculous. ah Yes. Yeah. But I remember that. But like other and other people are seeing this and saying, well, I might not make a million dollars, but I can maybe get a better deal than I can get with a publishing company. especially if I have, ah if I already have a built-in. If you've got a warm readership. Yeah. Yeah. You've got a warm readership and you have to do all your own promo now anyway, then it's like getting an advance without having and being indie. advance from your, directly from your readers. Now that I think is cool because obviously being in the little rebel that I am anything that kind of disrupts the death grip, some of these like really huge publishers have on the publishing industry. i think it's a good thing because it helps shake things up a little bit.
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It gets voices out there that might not otherwise be heard. it kind of makes things less homogenous, you know? Yeah. Well, that's cool. Like Sanderson is like not a new voice. yeah I'm not talking specifically about Sanderson. I'm talking about like using this method as a means of right reaching readers directly and funding your projects. That's cool. I think like work with that. I, what we were talking about originally where it was already very established authors who are doing this, you know, kind of like a, I don't, I'm going to say a vanity project, but I know it's not a vanity project. It's a, what would you call it Yeah. I don't. Creative re-release, a special edition something. Yeah. Yes. Although, so I do want to um talk about what's included in these and like your point about like getting more readers in a wider base. Um, yeah.
00:16:50
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so i'm gonna can i tell you what's in the please the a h2 squared list is um indigo by beverly jenkins i like that butterfly swords by jeannie lynn kind of like that too the magpie lord by kj charles like that dreaming of you by lisa plaus this was the right choice for julia quinn's by the way like why did she choose the wallflowers book but continue holly And Lord of Scoundrels by Loretta Chase.
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Which is also in the Julia Quinn one. So now you have two options for Loretta Chase. Yeah. I mean, like ah you know, so like if you wanted just Lord of Scoundrels, but didn't want the other stuff in Julia Quinn's, maybe you want this collection instead. um And so I'm and Julia Quinn's also does include, I think, of the nine books, three of them are new releases, right? At least two. But I think three two definitely are one this year is Eloisa James is the last lady B, which I didn't realize was also being released through Avon. So that actually, i thought it was just being released.
00:17:57
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with this collection but it no it was the name one and then the other one was a the one for 2027 was a different author but like one of the you know staple historical romance authors for sure yeah um but it might have been yeah i whatever i won't speculate maybe i'll look it up While we're here. Right.
00:18:17
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And I would like to say the Julia Quinn one also included Alyssa Cole and ah Sherry Thomas, who's Asian and yeah a few other, you know, so there were there.
00:18:28
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I like this variety. I don't know that there were any queer titles in that. no there were not but uh yeah oh yeah so what was the uh so you know i like that we're seeing this variety and the genie lynn in the case of the ah2 squared is uh was originally a harlequin category it was a category it's a harlequin i i've read it it's good um but it if because it's a it's a category romance it is probably out of print like you might be able to buy an electronic version but
00:19:00
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If you want a paper copy, it's like bookstores, like use bookstores or nothing. Wow. For butterfly swords. I assume. I i don't want to. um I'll confirm that one way or the other. um Yeah, it can go in the show notes.
00:19:17
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This is way more juicy and interesting than i would have guessed at first glance because there are so many different risks, benefits, contractual mysteries that Right.
Impact on Historical Romance Canon
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But I'm also just like, like, why, how are we choosing these books? And, and is this also about like, how are collections like these also working together to build the canon of what historical romances are worth reading or holding? And there's also this like, and I'm guilty of this too, where I'm like, man, Histrom was better 20 years ago than it is now. And part of it is because I have these certain older books that
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that I'm holding tight to me, that I'm like, no, this is what Histrom should be. And when people, when authors are writing now, I'm like, well, you're not doing, like, you're not doing what Loretta Chase did 30 years ago. And of course they shouldn't. The market's different. The books are different. You can't write Lord of Scoundrels now. Right.
00:20:20
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So I don't know. i feel And I'm also like, I'm like, I'm so glad that these like really wonderful books are getting these beautiful special editions. Yeah, absolutely. um And, but also I'm like, but what about all these new authors who aren't, whose careers can't get traction? And I guess I feel a maybe a little bit better about this a H squared collection um because Like I know, for example, Jeannie Lynn, like her romance career didn't really take off. She has these like a bunch of beautiful books, but that she like never took off in in a big way. Right. um
00:21:03
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And i feel like KJ Charles is just now kind of going mainstream as like kind of she's like an author that if you were in the know, you knew about her, but just now is kind of finally moving into Yeah, I think it relates to our prior conversation about established indie authors or quote established, you know, who people know about if they're in the world, but the wider reading audience like my one book club who only reads like popular new releases, theyve they would never have heard of because it's not bestseller list that ends up at the library or the front tables at the bookstore or whatever. Like kind of same deal here, right? This is this is an opportunity for gaining a wider audience for these authors, like you're saying, Holly. And I agree that that's cool.
00:21:53
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um So like, I guess we're also seeing there are different avenues. I think also having the publishing power of big names to support these other authors is important. But then it's like you're kind of saying or saying, but...
00:22:07
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maybe I'll say it again or dig a little deeper. and I don't know. Is like, yeah. So who is it So people who know, know. Right. So the last, the thing, I think the new edition for 2027 was a new India Holton book. Well, India Holton has a traditional publishing deal, right? So she's a newer author, but she's trad pubbed. um This other Mackenzie Lee, I don't know. Also is like a new author.
00:22:31
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i don't know if she's indie or trad. And so, yeah, where are we? Where are we sourcing these? Like Jeannie Lynn is well known. KJ Charles is well known in the book world, in the book world. So where we live. Right. So it is overlooking, possibly, if that's an acceptable word.
Indie Authors and Publishing Visibility
00:22:48
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Other authors who don't have the connections, maybe, that these authors have had. um but that said i would also like lucy eden has done book boxes for years at this point maybe like when did i publish my first book like five years um and her book boxes were have been i don't know if she's still doing them uh they're like maybe one book or two books and then like
00:23:16
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stuff like okay here's the candle and the bookmarks and the whatever that's the more traditional way i think of doing it um and would select other books and i know she would choose more indie authors for her well she's an indie author most right so i think the problem with that is like you can't you have to know who lucy eden is in the first place right yeah So the circles become somewhat insular, which is part of the problem. You know, like, yeah, when you have to do your own marketing, and you don't get recognized wide, then what? So yeah, i it is interesting.
00:23:51
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And And, you know, it's hard because the ones that I would like, like I was thinking about learning how to bind books, but binding books is easier on a trad pub sized book. So you tear off the cover for the trad book and then you make the binding for the new book with whatever you want. Well, it's like the luckiest lady or not.
00:24:12
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ah The luckiest lady in London is getting republished as a trad pub, but like Lord of Scoundrels is only available in mass market. Right. You cannot get it another way. So this type of thing is the only way that you get it with the higher quality paper. and Which means you're going to acquire it, right, Erin? Yes. You're going to acquire it, right?
00:24:31
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Here's what I have the conclusion that I'm coming to from this conversation.
Nostalgia and Personal Preferences in Book Editions
00:24:35
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Are you ready? These are my show notes. Are you ready? Yeah. Basically, we discussed this and we asked ourselves, what?
00:24:44
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Why? Where? Why? What? And that's that's the whole conversation if I summarize it. yeah Does that track for you guys? I think that that is yeah really correct. Yeah. Yeah. The one who we didn't answer or didn't even get into was who's buying these things? Yeah.
00:25:04
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But you know what? Here's another thing i want I want to point out that I was thinking, and and I will tell you that I sat in rooms back in the day, conference rooms back in the day, and listened to people who made a lot more money than I did in publishing talk about how, like, digital content, like, you know, e-books, that it was basically killing, you know...
00:25:26
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traditionally pubbed paper books. And I remember be thinking to myself, no, because I love the smell of books. And I know a whole bunch of other people who love the smell of books. It's nostalgic. It feels good. It's not never going to happen. And there were a couple higher paid people who agreed that they thought that, no, it wasn't going to do that. It would change it, but it wouldn't kill it. And I will say this. I think all it has done is reinforced the, um,
00:25:51
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nostalgic and warm feelings we have about books and that's why I think we find more and more projects like this Bartonson Noble has like tables full of beautifully edged books because it feels so good and it's just opened up this whole other door which was just collecting beautiful books books as a luxury item everything that is old is new again it's come full circle yeah back the 13th century handmade by monks
00:26:20
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Yeah. That's why I want my smut. yeah So I just think it's interesting. And i I kind of deeply love that. And i I will say that I have obviously complicated because because I still have so many questions about.
00:26:34
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who what why about this whole thing but I do love the disruption part of it and I love that people are disrupting it just to own beautiful things that they love that are books you know what i mean like I think that's deeply cool that in this time when we're all kind of like oh my gosh you know finances money all that stuff people are like you know what I'm gonna spend my hard-earned money on $300 published smut books I love it previously published smut books that I already own copies of yes yeah yeah um just not these copies Just not these copies. Yeah. I really wish that i you could just buy one at a time.
00:27:08
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but Okay. So snap survey before I close. Is anybody going to fund the this new Kickstarter? I mean, I saved the project, so. I don't know. Maybe. It's vegan leather, though. I hate vegan leather. Stop doing vegan leather. don't like vegan leather. Just call it plastic. Just call it plastic. That's what it is. It's plastic, and it's not durable, and it just disintegrates over time. It's no good, friends. It's no good. If you really want to do this in a favor- Yeah, if you really want to do the planet favor, you go find your leather secondhand. And that way we're not... Or you do cloth bound.
Conclusion and Further Resources
00:27:50
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Or cloth bound. was talking specifically about leather. But cloth bound is lovely. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:27:57
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Yes. A renewable resource, friends. Yeah. Like, I really like, of the books that I've read on this list, I really like all of them. But I probably won't because I find that, I don't know,
00:28:11
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I don't I own too many books already. My problem is that I own too many books already. I know I'm too loyal to the the copy. If I love a book, I want the same copy that I held in my hands when I fell in love with it.
00:28:24
Speaker
um So but what do you do I don't you want a fancy one. Did an ebook though? Like this is my problem is a lot of the times like for Indigo, I read a library book. ah Or I can't remember if I read Butterfly Swords or another one in that series, but also library book. um My copy of The Magpie Lord is ebook. I definitely already have a mass market paperback of Dreaming of You and Lord of Scoundrels.
00:28:47
Speaker
well yeah why it been but So fair, but like what if you don't have a... cup like some of My collection now is more curated based on stuff that I really want to keep. like Other stuff can leave once I've read it or whatever.
00:28:58
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but Well, honestly, i guess in my case, if I have... this is what I have done in the past. If it's a book that I got from the library, I want the version that looks like that.
00:29:11
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So the copy of The Bride that you got found me, for example, Erin, that is the the edition that I read in the library when I was like in whatever. So yeah, so that I was like, this is it. My life is now complete, you know? Um...
00:29:24
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When it's been an ebook. So there's this series that I loved, love that I bought. i I bought one of the books by accident in paperback, but it was not or it was it was not the first book in the series. So I ended up starting starting the series on ebooks. And um I will probably go back and buy.
00:29:43
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a copy of it and it whatever but um yeah then it's just sad but if it's the series then you want to get like the same as the middle yeah yeah so i'll just whatever's the matching one yeah and the other thing is this though um and this is a ingrid quirk i don't actually like to pick up a new copy of books that i love that i read on ebook i try to find them at the used bookstore because then it feels like i read it because it Because it feels like it's already been read. And then I'm like, okay, this is the one, even though it's not the original copy that I read. So that's why I spend so much money at used bookstores, because it feels more personal to me.
00:30:19
Speaker
That's just an English word. You can try it yourselves if you're sad about not having or it doesn't feel the same. Try just getting a copy that's already been read by somebody else. You can live, you can appreciate it vicariously.
00:30:29
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you know, they got to enjoy it. So now you get to. Anyway. I kind of love that. All right. On that note, I'm going wrap us up. So anyway, though in the show notes, there will be links to ah various Kickstarters, some of which are closed and some of which are not yet open. But you can at least see what we're talking about. um And ah that will be at the show notes, which are at smutreport.com slash podcast. And signing off on Sunday night. Until next time. Keep it smutty, folks.
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