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Tumblereads 26: Is it even a romance if…
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We are extra chaotic this week. Sorry, not sorry.
Show notes (including a link to that pineapple / chicken abomination) at smutreport.com/podcast.
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Na na na na smart report!
Introduction & Unpreparedness
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Hello and welcome to the smart report podcast tumble reads edition uh I have nothing to add to that so I'm Erin I'm Ingrid and I'm Holly cool cool cool okay so we are talking today about whatever I feel like talking about which is dangerous dangerous because very dangerous talk a lot and also don't know what I want to talk about are you truly winging it I'm really I'm really winging it which is ridiculous because I also make the calendar so you would think that I would be prepared but in fairness to me I'm home after a trip so I'm a little discombobulated in general It's not just a trip,
Post-Trip Disorientation
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though. It's like a two week trip. So like, yeah, it was a big big trip.
00:00:48
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There's some mental jet lag, even without real jet lag, right? When you come back on a trip like that. acknowledging that. It's rough. I do. I do. Coming back to reality is challenging, especially for those of us who are not dialed into reality very much anyway. Is it okay if I think – is that an accurate statement for you?
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Do you feel like you're often on the periphery of reality? No. What's real? What's real life anyway? Maybe I'm too in reality. Reality is too much. Is that the same or different? This is Tumblr. It's the philosophy podcast.
Book Inspiration & Pet Birds
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oh Where we talk about life, the universe, and everything. Actually, it means. Oddly enough, i did have somebody – when I used to fly internationally for work, I did have somebody once say – that um jet lag felt like real life in a dream. Like, you know, when you have a dream and it's like, feels like real life and you wake up kind of confused. So that's what jet lag feels like. And I've always thought that that was true. That's a good description of it. Maybe. Yeah. Yes. yeah There you go. Anyway, Erin, have you thought of anything yet?
00:01:48
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Back to romance. Actually, I'm looking at our list of ideas that I have actually been pretty good about updating as I have ideas, except for the past two weeks. and ah before before I ran away, i had this notion because I was reading this book.
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I've had it before, too. I feel like I might have said it to you guys before in certain scenarios. Yeah. But let's see if we can do 30 minutes of, 27 minutes of. Is it even a romance if it doesn't fill in the blank? Ooh, I love games. Okay. Yes, I know. I love games. These are my favorite kind. So I will I will start. So ah is it even a romance if the pet bird isn't a potty mouth parrot?
00:02:34
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Oh, that's a good one. No, obviously the parrot has to potty I feel like all the pet birds are potty mouth parrots every single time. Which I feel like, have you ever met a potty mouth parrot pet bird in real life? not. I'm just curious. No. no You know what's difficult about birds? I think I've only met maybe one.
00:02:54
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I think I've only had one friend who had pet birds. Right. And what were they? Were they parrots? They little they're like that. You know, they were a little parrots of yeah some kind. They're they're creepy, though.
00:03:06
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Birds are creepy. I would just like to say, if you ever get up close and personal with a bird, even a cute little love bird, and look into its eyes, you can see that they are the dinosaurs. You can see why dinosaurs are murder chickens. Birds really scary. I mean, think birds are really beautiful from far away.
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Up close,
Dinosaur Adventure
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birds are terrifying. Funny story. i was catching some chickens yesterday on a field trip and a number of children who went into the chicken enclosure and thought they were completely fine and then came out of the chicken enclosure, had to be escorted out in near hysteric tears. It's more than two.
00:03:46
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Like yeah some of these kids were not prepared for how dinosaur-esque chickens are, even though they're very small. They they got in there and the chicken flapped their wings and then it looked at them and they were like, ah, and that was it. So I believe that. Yeah. They are weird. Well, here's a funny thing. So where I was at my trip, I was in Utah doing like maximum nerd things and also maximum outdoors things. But which were you more excited about?
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dinosaur footprints, obviously. Like, why would I not want to see the dinosaur? Like, let's go
Feathered Dinosaurs
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see more dinosaur. We saw four different sets of dinosaur footprints. There was one day was like, well, we have to go here, even though it's like a random extra trip so that we can see the dinosaur. And everybody was like, OK, we'll go. It's like a hike straight up a cliff. It was fine. Yeah. So dinosaur fun. But we ended up at Utah Raptors State Park. which I believe is a new newish state park in Utah and raptors are like bigger velociraptors and velociraptors are actually smaller than the velociraptors in Jurassic Park just FYI they're like slightly bigger than a chicken apparently they're like turkey sized yeah exactly thank you Holly yeah I had a dinosaur book for my kids that had like a comparison of like all the like a human and then here's like all the different kinds of raptors in the line how big they are
00:05:12
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Yeah. Anyway, continue. It's fun when you're like, oh, I know this stuff because am a mom. And it's also fun when your kids are like, that is not how you pronounce that dinosaur mom. How dare you? It's the size of a turkey,
Romance Novel Tropes: Smirking & Expressions
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not a chicken. Thanks. Anyway, I was at Utah Raptor State Park and since it's a newer park, a lot of the illustrations were also newer illustrations. And I don't know if y'all are up on current dinosaur science, but it is widely acknowledged that they had feathers. So we're looking at this picture of Utah Raptor and my husband is like, why does it look even scarier with feathers?
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it's like it does looks very intimidating it's like taller than a person ah yeah with these feathers and a beak ish situation i'm trying to remember t ah because i read that utah raptor smut all i want for christmas is utah raptor that's right it have a potty mouth though uh well he could speak he was sentient i don't think he had feathers though yeah this is this is taking an old school old school history anyway what have you guys got i got one okay what are you ready is it even a romance novel if nobody smirks oh
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It's funny because it's true and sad. It a Okay. So I don't know if you remember this, but I even wrote a post about smirking and how it's not sexy. Yeah. This was like early blog days. Holly rants are, they stick in the back of my mind. And sometimes I forget that you did it, but then I'm like, that's where I got this brilliant idea from. And it's generally from a Holly rant. So Yeah. i wouldn This was like 2019. Very early days. It's like, why are they smirking?
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Also, I find it interesting. I don't think some authors have the same understanding of what a smirk is. you know what I mean? I think they use it very loosely. And maybe we need to have some kind of facial expression vocabulary glossary, like a visual guide to...
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But it's not even just smirking, Ingrid. I know. i know. Yes. I can't remember what it was last night, but I was reading. oh It was last it was late during spring break. I was binge reading a series and there was, I don't do, I wish I could remember the facial expression, but it kept coming up and I was like, i don't,
00:07:43
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either I'm wrong or you're wrong author like I don't think that's how that works like what was it anyway smirking yes well I've had authors say and then he grinned wait he grinned and then he smiled I remember Kristen Ashley was one that just like every single time and i was like I don't Wait, he both grinned and smiled in the same paragraph? first, it was like he grinned and then it transformed into a full-blown smile. Like a smile was a bigger thing than a grin, which is the opposite. Yes, that's true.
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so i but But then I recently saw another author who did the same thing and I was like... i don't I don't understand. don't understand.
Personal Stories & Terms of Endearment
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Okay. I didn't think that was a complicated. There's a difference between a smile and a grin.
00:08:29
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Right. Okay. Because like a smile, like a grin is like a small smile. Okay. But like if you if you're differentiating, then like a full smile like lights up your whole face.
00:08:44
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You're like big, happy teeth showing like a grin. You're just kind of like amused. Like you can fit like. Yeah. I'm going to look up the definition now because I'm like, have I been wrong for my entire life? I always think of the grin as like the showing all the teeth in the smile emoji and a smile emoji is just a smile emoji. And you can have like a bri big luminous smile, like a full face smile. But I well, look, i' gonna this is what I think. Genuinely, I think that as dedicated and research driven smut reporters, it makes sense for us to provide the facial expression dictionary. And I move that we do it using GIFs.
00:09:24
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I think we should. OK, according to you know, what I'm not going to use Google because i feel like I should use a more reliable dictionary. So going to go to Merriam-Webster. You do that. says a grin, a grin, to grin, verb, to draw back the lips so as to show the teeth, especially in amusement or laughter. Broadly smile, grinning from ear to ear. hu a grin, noun, a facial expression produced by grinning.
00:09:49
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Helpful. especially Thanks, Merriam-Webster. But, okay, so that's a little bit more restrained than the one that I looked up just on, like that just popped up when I said define grin, which is, smile broadly especially in an unrestrained manner and who and so that is how i have always interpreted great yeah that's interesting in an unrestrained manner that's like backwards from how i interpret it and how that author was clearly using it because you wouldn't go from a grin to a hu smile exactly i that's why i was so confused but it sounds like holly that makes sense to you mean we're learning so much today and it's not even on point with what we're trying to do But these wanderings are my favorite ones. I love these. Language is so interesting, though, right? Because yeah it varies depending on... Well, I was thinking about this for slang, too. Somebody said something slangy to me, probably my child. And I was like, I wonder how often i have interpreted something and tried to use it and like based on what I understood the prior context to be. you know and that's like not the original
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meaning of whatever the slang term was it's harder with colloquialisms I feel like than actual defined words but yeah I mean you learn the meanings of words it's like oh my god no and we're not going to get into it guys we're not going to get off track but there are several where I'm like wait off track from where from it's not even a rubb romance if see yeah Holly you're trying to derail this because you're not gonna you don't want to come up with one because I don't have anything good off the top of my head yeah
00:11:23
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Well, I had another one.
Nicknames in Literature
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Okay. Which was, this is very specific, but i was going to say, is it even a Mary Bala romance if she doesn't plant her feet flat on whatever surface they're having sex on?
00:11:36
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Oh. no No, it is not. Because that is what she always does every single time. She bends her knees and plants her feet flat. Yeah. Every time. ah You know, I hate to say it. I will say I haven't read the more recent books, but if you haven't, if you came into the conversation with zero context, you could also use that same technique. If you were discussing healthy pooping. stuff ah I just want to point that out.
00:12:01
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That's so anyway not attractive. Well, you know, I just think that what since we're talking about visualizing various expressions and actions, speaking of a sex one, is it even a romance if it's not intimidating the first time she sees it?
00:12:16
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Will it fit? Will it fit? I was scrolling Instagram not too long ago. Did I send it to you, Ingrid?
00:12:27
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I don't think you sent it to me. know. think was just scrolling. And there was one, maybe I'll see if I can find it because I did send it to my friend, whose name is also Erin. And it was like the caption was, you know, she says, will it fit or whatever. Yeah.
00:12:42
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And it's somebody trying to put an entire pineapple into like a turkey or a chicken or something. It's like very visually disturbing, but also very on point for that statement.
00:12:56
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Oh, That was very amusing. When you know, you know. right yeah come on holly i i i don't even know where to go from stuffing a pineapple into a chicken like do you think that would taste good erin nah i don't i don't want to think about like was not sexually had no it was like you were gonna roast it or something it was like you know getting prepared prepared to roast a chicken it was a whole pineapple with the leaves still on No, that's what I'm asking. Like the leaves and the outer peel was still on. How is that going to release any acidic juices to tenderize that chicken? Let's be real here. You gotta at least peel the damn thing. No, it was peeled. It was peeled. Oh, it was peeled, but the leaves were still on. And we're going to like stick out of the chicken's cavity. Lovely. Okay. You're welcome.
00:13:46
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ah This is a very nice podcast. You're welcome, everyone. Here we are. Here we are. This is Tumblries at its finest. All right. I had another Mary Bala one, which was, is it even a Mary Bala romance if there's not squishing and squelching? you binging Mary Bello on your vacation or something no I didn't I just I actually don't know maybe it was when we were looking up something for a set what did we just do like a a big listicle of some kind and I was looking through my old books and I was like oh yeah because I actually haven't read a Mary Bello in quite a while but but I feel like when I was younger and I was reading her books I kind of appreciated that she didn't like shy away from some of the messy noises that come along with intimacy.
00:14:39
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I have one. She says euphemistically after seeing other things that are not i have one if we're gonna go specific here for romanticy do it is it even a romanticy if she doesn't get a weird nickname like little flower little something spitfire flamethrower i don't know they just he always comes up first time they meet with some kind of and she's like what does that even mean and then it turns out it means something like really really sweet you know what i mean yeah every single time
00:15:10
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ah Well, that's here's another tie-in then. Is it even a romance if they one of them speaks a different language and the pet name is in that language and it's extra super sweet, but they don't know it until much later?
00:15:23
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Yeah, that same vibes. That's exactly what I'm talking about. Yeah. Yeah. Because i feel like in every Scottish romance with an English bride, they're like... They call her like Sassanac or something, which just means outsider. That's not a cute, sweet nickname.
00:15:39
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No, I'm thinking like Gaelic. I can't pronounce it. I'm sorry if you speak Gaelic, but it's like Macri. Oh, yeah. My heart. Yeah. Yeah. But half the time they call her the Sassanac. Yeah. Which means outsider. I feel like now that's true. yeah Sometimes those little sassy nicknames can be really fun, though. I feel like, Holly, there was one. was a book that you read or maybe a book that you introduced to the rest of us. it was like, oh, it was the alien one that Ingrid hated.
00:16:07
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Title, please. Anna Gwyer. Oh, Strange Love. Her name was Terrible One. Oh, yeah. That was, a yeah. That is a good nickname. That a great nickname. That is a good one. Anyway. Well, like it's like violence and when it's Violet for Fourth
Deception & Trust in Romance Novels
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Wing. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
00:16:23
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is it even a romance? And I don't, i did talk to my husband once and I was like, so like, if you wanted to give me a cute nickname, you could. And he was like, like what? And I was like, you know, like a cute one, you know, like something cute. And he was like, I call you babe. And I was like, that's everybody does that.
00:16:46
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Like terrible one. yeah Yeah. Although I will say one time when we were early, but were I think we were, I think we were married at this point, but he got me a watch for Christmas or something. And when he got it, we were kind of in I didn't know what he got, but I knew that he got something along those lines. We were in the store and um I just pointed, there was a sign that said like free engraving today or whatever on it. And I just pointed at it and said nothing. And he was like, got it. and like went over so i have a watch that does say ing my love on the back of it oh yeah but i did kind of force him to do it so i don't know that that really counts but yeah yeah i mean my husband doesn't call me this anymore but uh we went through a period where uh he called me snurchin do which is short short for snooki see urchin
00:17:40
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because i'm prickly and because i called him snooki bear like as a joke and he was like snooki bear is you can't call me snooki bear that's too embarrassing so um but like it's funny like he doesn't call me that anymore because we forgot i guess You phases. phase phase I think Ingrid's always been the best with pet names or nicknames for me or for my husband. And not like in a romantic way, but also in a funny way where she'd be like, hey, schnookapoo. All right. I do say nice things to my brother-in-law.
00:18:22
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But not just to Travis. I feel like you would also say it to just about anybody that you were playing with. do. I have a problem with giving people pets. I just love so much. So I am the but for everybody that I am even remotely tangentially close to.
00:18:40
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Yeah. But I will say this. Super meaningful nicknames you're giving out, Ingrid. Yeah. My daughter gave my my brother my brother-in-law the best nickname ever. And do you remember? So she was like three and she was absolutely obsessed with her uncle. Obsessed. And she wrote him a whole card. And at the end of it, it was, I love you, uncle name. We'll call uncle.
00:19:03
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but What should we call him, Aaron? mr Well, right or something. ah how about we call him ah Tyler? Okay. Yeah, it'll work. She said, i love you, uncle Tyler. um You are the best uncle Tyler. Twinkle, twinkle, little Tyler.
00:19:22
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ah Little Tyler. It was so cute. Yeah. So she like wrote him a Twinkle Little Star poem. And so for a long time, I called him Twinkle Tyler. But ah he frowned so much when I did it that I don't think he appreciated how wonderful it was. oh He's just a stick in the mud. Anyway. Yeah, so we got the nickname one.
00:19:42
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Let's see. Holly, come on, you can do it. You can go up with one. Guys, i I'm sorry. I'm just like, I'm really stuck on, i read a book with a deception plot that I finished last night where the heroine has been lying to the hero of the whole book and then when she reveals what happens, he apologizes to her. What? What? And it's warranted is warranted because warranted. Yes. She's been lying to him about who she is. And he's like, Oh, shit, that means I was talking like Terry saying terrible things about your dead mom to your face this whole time because I didn't know who you really were. Oh, that's not good. and Okay, what book is it?
00:20:31
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Unveiled by Courtney Milan. Oh, okay. really like Did we like this? Are we processing this? I'm just processing, well, yes, I liked it, but like, you know, but I was processing it. I'm like, you know, there's this deception plot. she He like ruined her family. And so she's like,
00:20:48
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pretending to be a servant so to like spy on him you know like classic history as one does yeah as one does and i'm like oh man she's gonna tell him she's gotta tell him he's gonna find out he's gonna find out he there's gonna be a meltdown it's gonna it's gonna be a whole thing he's gonna do the thing where he like that aaron hates where he's like why didn't you tell me you have to give me this information yeah and you tricked me and then it happened and he was like oh yeah that like that changes nothing and i'm sorry about how i spoke about your family to your face and also now i'm gonna punch your brother in the nose because he put you in this terrible situation that is wild now i want to read it that sounds interesting it it was so wild so sorry i can't i'm like i can't even think about anything else because i'm just like what just happened i mean and of course he finds out because her brother shows up right as their like finishing their liaison and her brother comes and like punches him and is like, stay away from my sister. And he like punches him the brother back because like, how dare you put your sister in this compromising position to save your own skin?
00:21:51
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No kidding. Sorry, girl, that I said all those mean things about you. I, this is like nice hero vibes. I actually read, i read this series. I think I talked about it in the review that I just did. um I read this series and it's like a fantasy series. And one of the home, one of the things that's the most boring, especially with long fantasy series is that the couple will get in Like fights in the beginning and work it out, but then afterwards, like they're just perfect. Like the relationship is like flawless and while everything else is unfolding. And in this one, like she messes up. So they deceive each other in the beginning. Right. But then they're supposed to be like, all right, we're not going to do that anymore. And then she does like something horrible, like betrays everybody. so...
00:22:32
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They're going to go have time to make up or whatever. And I'm like, okay, great. Now they're going to do another classic. Is it a romance if if one intimate scene fixes an entire argument? There's another one.
00:22:45
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Oh, that's true. Because they go in there i'm like, great, now we're going to have like the arguments over because they had magic hanky panky and it didn't. That is very irritating. Oh, that's right. And he was, and it took a while. Like it took, I mean, and a book later, they're still working trust issues. They like have sex, but then he's still mad afterwards. Yeah, well, he's not mad, but she's she's feeling really like, oh my gosh, I'm in so much trouble. Like, I don't want to go face everybody else. How am I going to do this? And he's like, you're going to do it because it's the right thing to do because you messed up. And she was like, are we ever going to be okay again? And he's like, yes, of course we're going to be okay. I'm not going anywhere. We're fated mates. But it's going take a long time for me to trust you again, and you're going have to work towards that. And then in the plot, they actually did it where, like, she had to earn back trust, like, person by person, And like had to explain her choices to people because of what she did. And I was like, oh, dang, like talk about nice job.
Critique of Romance Tropes
00:23:41
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Yeah, it was pretty good.
00:23:42
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Anyway. So what do you think about that, though? Because really earning back trust is like a time consuming effort. Right. so I mean, there's probably some stuff that if you offer an explanation and a sincere apology, you're that would be sufficient for that particular problem. But for a lot of stuff where, like, it's a trust-broken issue, yeah takes time. Well, and what happens is... It's a romantic series, Erin. They've got, like, a thousand pages. There were six books. There were six books and countless countless times. Oh, I see. Yeah. So, like, in the end, ultimately, like...
00:24:19
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Does she have to, like, grovel and earn back trust? And, like, actually what ends up happening is that they all kind of decide, like, all right, you know what? She doesn't really know how to, like, people because she's a feral assassin person. So maybe we have to just kind of, like, find a new way to communicate. So, like, the whole group, not just her and the partner, but, like, it was so it was really cool. Like, honestly, of all the plot holes, that one I was, like, solid.
00:24:43
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So, but normally I would say, is it even a romance if one quick... you know, bedroom session doesn't solve all your problems. Well, that's what I was going to say to Holly. Is this good something like, okay, so what you're saying is, is it even a romance if the deception plot doesn't end in... A total meltdown. Yeah. Yeah.
00:25:03
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Except for, no because this one turned that on its head. I guess we're just playing with tropes, though, because all of us would have expected that, just like all us would have expected that. I really was. There was like... Yeah.
00:25:15
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I mean... And it wasn't just that there's angst about the deception. It's like the deception. it's It's like a big deal deception because he is actively in the process of destroying her family and having her declared illegitimate so he can steal her brother's title. It's like, oh yeah.
00:25:37
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So, o that sounds meaty. i know. i i it It was for the TBR challenge. And my review was basically like, Ingrid would love the meaty characterizations. I would. I just love a good mess. yeah messes um nothing's worse than like a shy character who's too shiny boring yeah anyway yeah all right so aaron what do you think did we perform well enough i think so i think i think so you know we can do it again when we're like more prepared now you have it in your mind now i have it in my mind now i'll like keep an eye out for those things where i'm like ah oh yeah
00:26:16
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this has to happen in every romance novel. Yeah. I mean, I feel like it's the, you know, the normal stuff, like all the tropes doing their normal trope thing or like the third act breakup being the third act breakup or the romance runaway or all those things. Sure. But I like, I thought the better one or the things that made me think of it in the first place was the Mary Bala ones, because you start reading an author and you're like, oh my gosh, this isn't like, is it even a Jackie Lau book if he doesn't lick his finger before he touches her clit?
Author Writing Quirks
00:26:44
Speaker
Oh, that was out of nowhere. always does. Watching my pearls. ah Sorry, Ingrid. You gotta warn before you just start throwing out verbiage like that. sorry Sorry. I mean, I'm like, is it even a Stephanie Lawrence book if every other paragraph is a has three one-word sentences that are... um all verbs starting alliterative alliterative verbs oh that are also sentiment choice like nerd alert clutching clenching clasping and then we go on to continue the sex scene
00:27:27
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but every stephanie lauren's book there i have one i know this is where you find out just like when the author finally starts you know what get on your nerves when i'm prepared for it and we're not just throwing out the left field and giving me a jump scare we you could also do this for just bedroom scenes in general You could get a whole bunch of content from that.
00:27:48
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But I'm thinking of like those little moments. So not just the tropey stuff that everybody would be like, yeah, there was one point, it was a long time ago, so it's probably on Twitter and it's probably gone now, but i feel like it was Jen from Faded Mates had tweeted something like, it and maybe it was like a friends challenge thing, but was like the Lisa Kleypas where the hero gets kidnapped in the third act. And it's like, which one? Because they all do. They all do that. I was like, oh yeah, that's true.
00:28:15
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But you know, stuff like that I was reading these books. I was like two sassy parrots, like back to back. I don't even know. Like how often is there even a parrot in the birds? I was this like, you know, wait a minute. I don't know that I've ever read a romance where there's, I mean, there's like the chickens, like Holly's had some chickens, especially like the ah Kelly Bowen and the, there was another one, but ah we can refer you back to our weird animals. Yeah.
00:28:41
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Yes.
Conclusion & Social Media
00:28:42
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Listical, I guess. But yeah, that I was like, they're always like a sassy bird. Like the cats and the dogs are usually some range of cats and dog behaviors. But like the birds are always foul mouth parrots.
00:28:55
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erikeets yeah so yeah those little things where it's like wait a minute there's an abnormal number of this thing that's should keep our eyes out for and and everyone else should too because it's fun yeah yeah all right all right well let's wrap up keep this in your back pocket maybe it we'll reopen it later and if you want to find whatever show notes slash see if i can find this video at post-it of the chicken and the pineapple uh if holly can embed that uh that will be at smutreport.com slash podcast with our other show notes and our podcast or our bla our social handle is at smutreport but you may or may not find us anywhere and until next time keep it smutty folks
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