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DEAD SILENCE | B-Movie Bash! | #JY S3E17
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Beware the stare of Mary Shaw...She had no children, only dolls...And if you see her in your dreams...Make sure you never, ever SCREAM
"After his wife meets a grisly end, Jamie Ashen returns to his hometown of Ravens Fair to find answers. His investigation leads him to the ghost of a ventriloquist named Mary Shaw who seems to have ties to his entire family tree..."
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Meet the Hosts: Alyssa and Shannon
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Do you want to do the intro since you're leading the episode? Oh, I don't know. Hi, everybody. Hello. I'm Alyssa. My name is Shannon. This is weird. I know. This is another episode of hashtag judging you. You can't put pressure on me like that, Shannon. You're a better leader than I am. Who's the supervisor here?
00:01:58
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yeah paper panel but i supervise you know 19 year olds and whatnot so anyway hi everyone hello welcome back we're gonna be uh b-movie bashing today i'm excited hot seconds it has when was the last b-movie bash that we did was it me was it spider in the attic it's i think it was spider in the attic holy crap yeah it's been a hot second so
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We're ready for our movie. Yes.
Exploring 'Dead Silence' (2007) Film
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We are going to be talking about the 2007 6.1 out of 10 surprisingly. Okay. Dead Silence. Okay. Okay. Now, from what I remember, these were the guys that did, like he helped with the Saw movies. Oh. The director of this, if I remember correctly, and he planned for Dead Silence to be
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a series just like Saw was. Sounds familiar. Did it like come to theaters and stuff? It did. It was a little bigger? Yes. Okay. It was a little bigger, but nobody talks about it anymore at all. So I was like, I was scrolling on Tubi the other day trying to find something and it popped out and I said, there we go. That's what we're going to be watching. We're going to be talking about that one. And I stopped watching it halfway through because I was like taking my notes and then I stopped because I was just busy doing other things. Yeah.
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And I went back to finish my notes a couple days ago, and it was off of 2B. What? So I had to go back to Amazon Prime for $2.99. Oh, I love that. I rented it and watched the second half of the movie. So, yes. What are the odds that in that two-day span, they would have been like, no. Yep. And I guess maybe it was on the Leaving Soon list that I didn't notice. I was just scrolling through the movies and was like, there we go. Yeah, 2B.
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Anyway, so we're going to be talking about this movie that I feel could have had a lot of potential, but I think the plot gaps in it just ruined it. Good. Right. Personally, I thought it was filmed beautifully. The script was even mostly believable. Like you know how most people
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talk, you know, they communicate. And a lot of movies don't understand that. Yeah, this one did. To me, it seemed like people talking, except for Dr. Ice-T. We'll get to that one.
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We'll get to him, but he's not Dr. Iced Tea. He's not. That's just what I call him. It's stupid. Oh, detective, not doctor, sorry. Detective Iced Tea. My bad. I don't know we're Dr. Iced Tea. Probably Dr. Pepper. I don't know. Anyway, not the point. He talks weird, but he's also a little fun, but also a little annoying. So anyway, we'll get there.
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But yeah, so we're going to be talking about 2007's Dead Silence. So we start off with an old-fashioned black and white film. Sorry, do you have a synopsis? Oh, I do not, but I can find it for you real, real quick. I love synopses. I forgot to snag it. It's been a minute. Yeah.
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Okay, here we go. After his wife meets a grisly end, spoiler, Jamie Ashton returns to his hometown of Raven's Fair, which how D&D does that sound? How pretty little liars does that sound? That's the one. Yeah, well they do have Raven's wood. Like, um, Hallmarky, like East Coast, East Coast Hollow kind of, yeah. So, but I'm just like, I loved it so I'm gonna use it in my D&D game, so.
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To find answers, his investigation leads him to the ghost of a ventriloquist named Mary Shaw, who seems to have ties to his entire family tree. I don't like ventriloquist dummies. Well, it's the whole movie. I think Goosebumps did that for me. What was his name? The puppet? I can't remember his name right now.
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Happy? Slappy. Slappy. That was close. But looks like the main puppet in this one. Looks almost exactly like Slappy does. No. It does look like him.
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Okay, so you're good. Yes, so we start off with an old-fashioned like black and white film projector sound and it just kind of Flashes by and stuff and it says in the 6th century BC It was believed the spirits of the dead would peek through this or would speak sorry through the stomach region of the living Oh, no, I don't like I don't know why
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That was the tagline they picked for that. I don't know why that was the sentence they picked. Nobody talks their stomachs. No one's talking through no stomachs. And I know that they're probably meeting like- The dummy. Yeah. Oh, through the belly. I don't know. And I'm like, no, shut up, shut up, shut up. I'm doing a lot of weird shit with my hands right now, but like, shut up. That's not, pick a different sentence, something like that, anyway.
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Then we get all the opening credits of images flashing past someone that's sketching in a sketchbook as they make ventriloquy dolls. Actually carving them, like sanding them down and stuff, picking the eyeballs, making sure that they swivel back and forth. Pretty empty flashback. And yeah, actually carving and making the dolls, right? Some pretty dope music is playing too. Let me hang on real quick. And you can tell it was by the same people that did the Saw movies.
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I haven't seen any of the song movies, so. Oh, well. But for those who have, yes. So this starts playing while the, you know, cat. And it's pretty cool, actually, right? Like, it's a, yeah, period music box. All right. Right? So this is the best part of the whole movie. Good.
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Yeah, they spent a lot for this song, I guarantee you. Anyway, it's very Saw-esque to me. And they were trying really hard to make it a like, oh, that is a song people will remember. Yes, that is an attention grabber. Alyssa does remember. Yes, that's fine. So, but anyway.
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We see one puppet in particular being made and then packed up. And this is the main puppet of the movie, right? The camera's zooming in on his eye, which transitions to going down a pipe, right? Like it's now going down a pipe. And we see someone working on the pipe as water suddenly splashes down into his face, right? And we meet Jamie Ashen. He's the main character, right? Trying to fix the sink for his lovely wife, Lisa, who is Julia from they.
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Oh. Yeah. Oh. Yeah, she was real popular for a hot second in 2007. Okay. And then never heard of again. Was the other movie in 2007 too? So? It was early 2007. It was like in the same, yeah. Yeah. It was in the same area, so yeah. Anyway, and she was like, oh, just give up already. You know, like you've been at this for an hour and stuff, or like for a couple hours now. And he was like, just 10 more minutes. And she says, you said that an hour ago. And he's like, hey, I promised to cook you a gourmet
Decoding Key Movie Scenes and Tropes
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dinner. I don't know what that has to do with the sink.
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Okay, but you know, but she finally just tells him to surrender to the wonders of takeout
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and like throws a bunch of takeout menus on him, right? And they flirt and start to kiss a little bit when the doorbell rings, right? They're very clearly happily in love. I don't know if they're exactly newlyweds or if they've been married for, they just, they're married, right? And they're very clearly happy together. So Jamie answers the door to find a large package just sitting out in the hallway of their apartment complex, right? Or like their apartment hallway thing. Yeah.
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And it's just a brown wrapping paper with his name scrawled on the front, just Jamie. Nope, don't like that. Unless you're expecting it, don't like that. Right? Nope. And they're just like, what is it? At least it's like there was one way to find out. So they barely tear it into the package and they see that it is like...
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A coffin, not coffin. It's like a fancy carrying suitcase that's really long, you know? But it's clearly a puppet is inside. So some people would be like, oh, there's a coffin and stuff. But like, it's just the fabric where you'd rest your doll and stuff, you know? It's the carrying case. But yeah, they open it up and they see the puppet inside. And she jokingly says that he adopted them a baby, right?
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And she pulls out the puppet and she says, it reminds her of that old poem from their hometown. They're both from the same place, right? And she goes, oh, beware the stare of Mary Shaw. She had no children, only dolls. And he's just kind of like, yeah, whatever, right? And she goes, something, something, something scary. And then jumps at him with the puppet, right? Just kind of tries to scare him. And he decides to go get their takeout, right? And he's like, okay, whatever. Bye, love you, bye. And leaves, right?
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He decides to go get out the takeout and it's pouring rain. It rains so much in this movie. They must be on the West Coast cause I don't know where else rains that much. Like Northwest for sure. Yeah. Plus it's a lot of trees. I should Google that and find out. Anyway, so he leaves and she decides that she wants to spook Jamie and she takes the puppet propping him up in their bed and throws a sheet over him, right? Like he's going to come in and pull it off and there's going to be, I don't know. Okay.
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They're pranksters. She said some dumb ass line. I can't fully remember it now, but she's like, oh, if you scare Jamie, I'll make sure you get a night with, I want to say it was like Barbie or something or like, or like one, just one of her dolls, you know, like raggedy hand, maybe something like that. She's like, I'll make sure you get a night with so and so kind of just being funny. Right. And then, um,
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So, she gets them all set up and she goes to walk past a mirror and she pauses looking down at her own very flat stomach because remember this is the skinniest woman alive. Yeah. And she just kind of is like. Peak 2000s. Yes. Bella swanning looking at her stomach, you know, like just, mmm, right? And she jokingly grabs a blanket and stuffs it up under her belly like she's looking like she's pregnant, right?
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And I thought for a second, like, well, I mean, the first time I watched the movie, I was like, Oh, she probably mentioned, Oh, you adopted as a baby. And then was thinking like, Oh, what would it look like if I was right? Obviously it's a fucking ass blanket up that shirt. So it doesn't look anything. It's all blobby. Yeah. Like, and not even like a pillow would look better than a blanket would. But anyway, not the point.
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but she had put on the tea kettle as well. And she hears the tea kettle going off. So she goes out and she also hears the music that she's playing. Do you just play music around your house? Not really. No, if I'm cleaning or something maybe, but like, I don't know. They do that in movies a lot where people are just like, hmm, he's out getting ice cream. So I put on a little bit of music to just set the mood. No, no, I don't do that.
00:12:38
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I do know some people who do that, but I feel like not most people. Like everything goes through earbuds now. Yeah, exactly. If you're listening to anything. It was 2007 and they had one of the old, anyway. So she goes out there and the music starts to distort, going quiet. The tea kettle that's blasting off, she can't hear it squealing anymore. And the clock that's still ticking.
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is silent and she's just like, what the hell? What is that? And she hears a small chuckle and she goes back into the bedroom and the lights flicker out. She creeps across the room to the puppet and she goes to pull the sheet up when the puppet launches at her, covering her with a sheet and she's screaming and flailing around and stuff, right? Trying to get out from this. And she's thrown backwards and hits the ground and she starts coughing up blood. And I was like, oh shit, right? And she looks back over her shoulder, sees something and she screams as she goes to like crawl away, but she's dragged back into the room.
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Jamie arrives home after a few moments. I don't know what one sandwich sized brown paper bag is holding your dinner, but Alyssa needs three fucking enchiladas. Yeah. Okay. Or a bunch of Chinese food. Yeah. One paper bag is not going to be anything for two people. If it was two paper bags, I've been like, yeah, that's dinner. Sure. It was a paper bag.
00:13:58
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Okay and not even like a grocery-sized bag. It was like a sandwich lunch bag. Yeah. Okay. I was like okay and rolled up at the top like so that it was like you know like they staple the pickle or the the receipt to the paypal. Oh my gosh. Listen to Alyssa. Okay anyway so Jamie arrives home to the kettle screaming and he is like, Lisa what are you doing? You try to burn down the whole apartment and stuff and he runs over and he takes it off.
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and grabs them a couple of beers from the fridge calling out to her like Lisa and stuff and then he pulls up a rose that he got from I don't fucking I don't know and he like puts in his mouth all romantic style and starts walking in the room with the two beers and the dinner and whatnot like he's you know and I'm like cute that's cute they're very cute you know
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So he walks in though and he sees or he slips a little bit and he looks down and he sees there's blood on the ground and he immediately starts, Lisa, are you okay? Like what's going on, you know, and starts looking for her when he hears her call out, oh and there's blood everywhere, it's splattered all over the walls, everything, okay? Like it's splattered at this point now, right? Okay. And he hears Lisa giggle
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And then from the other room say, I have a surprise for you, Jamie. Oh, fuck no. What? So he hurries to the room and he flips on the lights, seeing the sheet propped up on the bed. Right. And he pulls down the the sheet.
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And she keeps laughing. Oh no, sorry. She keeps laughing. He tells her this isn't funny. And then he walks forward and pulls the sheet off, right? And after he pulls the sheet off, he throws himself back in absolute terror as she's sitting on the bed with her entire lower jaw missing as well as her tongue. It's just all blood. Like somebody just ripped off your whole lower half right there, right? God. But he slightly trips over the puppet that's laying on the floor. Okay. Right.
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The camera zooms out to see Jamie's eye, like it just kind of goes out and then we see where it's coming out of Jamie's eye. They do this a lot. They focus on the eyeballs a lot in this movie. And it zooms out and you see Jamie just kind of sitting there, just like staring off into the distance as police lights are flashing and you see the coroner's taking Lisa's body out in a body bag and everything and he's just, and then it zooms out even further and out of his eye once more and he is sitting in an interrogation room.
00:16:16
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and detective Lipton, his name is Lipton. Oh, Lipton. Oh, Lipton. So I like the whole time I was like, anyway, walks in telling Jamie immediately, you know what your mistake was? The rose.
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And Jamie was like, excuse me? And Lipton pulls out a fucking electric razor and he goes up to that, the one way, two way mirror or whatever. And he starts shaving his neck a little bit. And he goes, if I had a dollar for every guy that gave his wife a rose on the day that he killed her.
00:16:48
Speaker
You'd what, have a dollar? Is that a trope? Yeah, I don't know. I have no idea. You'd have a dollar if Jamie did it. Yeah, so no dollar? Yeah. What? You're clearly a poor detective, sir. It's whatever, right? He's probably just trying to get him to...
00:17:03
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Yeah. And he's like, like, it's an alibi. And Jamie's like, why would I need an alibi? And Lipton goes, tells him, well, yeah, I'm sure your lawyer will want you to have one. And Jamie's like, what do I need a lawyer for? What are you talking about? And Lipton goes, no signs of forced entry into the home. And Jamie, you are the last person to see your wife alive.
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And Jamie's befuddled, asking if Lipton really thinks he killed his own wife and Lipton replies, totally trying to like rizm up a little bit. He's like, no, of course not. I'm just trying to help your lawyer out. Trying to shift the blame onto somebody else, right? Is that what you're doing, sir? But my question is here. Okay, okay. Yes, Jamie was the last person to see her live. Like most husbands tend to be, you know, that late on a weekday night, just, you know,
00:17:52
Speaker
Yeah, people are at home. Normal people are at home, okay? There wasn't a spot of blood on him, okay? He has receipts of when he went and picked up and paid for the food. And they should be able to tell how long she's been dead. Yes, he was seen by at least half a dozen people on the street and the people working in the store, okay? Not only that, his footprints would be the only ones trailing blood from here to the bedroom. True.
00:18:21
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There's no way with as much blood as there was on the ground. I mean, yes, maybe he showered and then called the police, right? They would have found blood down the drain. This is 2007. This is not 1924. We have the technology. Right? Like I just... I'm baffled by why he... But to be fair, there are no other footprints in the place. Sure. So what are they supposed to think? Sure.
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but there's only his set of footprints going in, not bloody, and then coming back out bloody. True. There's no way, not a single chance that he wouldn't be leaving footprints. And I doubt he's standing there, like on tiptoes, wiping up the little bits of where blood would have been that they could easily see with Luma and all. Yeah.
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Melissa watches a lot of crime shows. I do! And stuff like this makes me real mad when I'm watching movies like this because you look at it and you go, yeah, I can see why that would be a problem. And then you have other people that are like, no, why would that be a problem? Mm-hmm. Why would that be a problem? I mean, they have really good leads, so... But all I'm saying is you're gonna take this to court. You're gonna take that to court. Good luck. And have somebody without a shadow of a doubt say, yes, this man did it.
00:19:32
Speaker
No, you're not. No, you're not. No, you're not. No. But Jamie's upset now saying, why don't they start looking for the person who delivered the puppet? He thinks that that's who did it, right? And Lipton says that that's a silly idea and obviously had nothing to do with his wife's murder, right? Okay.
00:19:48
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So he wants Jamie to connect it somehow. And Jamie explains that from his hometown, a puppet is a bad omen, that it brings death to those around them. Lifting again thinks that this is stupid and accuses Jamie again. And he reminds Jamie that he said he heard Lisa speaking to him just moments before he found her body, but she didn't have a tongue then. In fact, according to Jamie, Lisa was already dead and that doesn't make any sense. You are correct. Yeah. It doesn't. It doesn't.
00:20:17
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But that's what I got. Right? Why would I, if I was going to say my wife had been murdered, do all these theatrics? Yeah. When he very easily could have made it look like it was a, like a- A break in. A break in. A murder situation. Yep. Could have easily. Easily. Anyway. Yep. Jamie wants to know if he's under arrest and Lipton says, not yet. And Jamie says, good. That'll give him more time to do his own job. And Lipton says, well, just don't leave town.
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So he leaves town? So he does. Jamie goes back to his apartment, going inside to see that the police tape is still up and the plastic sheet's covering the blood on the floor and whatnot. And, um, no. No. There would be an officer on guard. Yeah. Or at least there would be blocks. Like you wouldn't be able to go back into your apartment. No, but he does. Unless you're getting things and leaving. Yep. Yeah. And even then, probably not. No. Okay. Yeah. So.
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He goes back in and he grabs the puppet and he starts to look over the little casket box that he came in and he sees that there's a little tear in the fabric and he rips it off to see an old-timey Mary Shaw and Billy sign on it. So he jumps in his car with the puppet and he takes the very long drive back to his hometown of Raven's Fair. A quiet place to live, says the sign.
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He pulls up to see most of the town with boarded up windows and out of business and tumbleweeds basically rolling through the city and stuff and a couple of homeless people just meandering around and everything.
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He drives up to his father's estate, takes a second to prep himself before knocking on the door, and a slightly older blonde woman. Okay. Tell me, how old do you think this woman is? Like 40s-ish? Yeah. Early 40s? Okay. That actress is 33 when they filmed this. Okay. Okay. I am 32, Shannon. We don't look like that.
00:22:19
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No. I mean, she's gorgeous. She's gorgeous. No, gorgeous. She's beautiful. I just, maybe it's the way she's dressed and how she has her hair done and stuff. She's very prim and proper, right? She does not look 33. No. She's a beautiful 40. Oh, absolutely. She's not a 33. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I thought she's being rid of her late 40s and I said, oh my fuck, I looked it up. She was 33. Obviously this was, you know, 2007. So she's, she's older now. Yeah.
00:22:47
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but at time of filming she was 33, which was like barely older than Jamie. He's like 31. I think it's supposed to be like his mom. Stepmom, yeah. She's his fourth stepmother, or third stepmother. So maybe she is younger. Anyway, she is, yeah. Yeah.
00:23:05
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Um, she answers the door and she's delighted to see him instantly pulling him into an awkward hug and he's just like, hello, who are you? And she apologizes and she tells him that she's so sorry for his loss about, about his wife and stuff, but she's happy to see him home. Um, and he's like, who are you? Right? And she goes, oh, I'm sorry. I'm Ella. Oh, he doesn't even know her. Yeah. Great. Yeah. He's very estranged from his father.
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He doesn't comment, but instead asks if his father is in and she leads him inside trying to explain that his father isn't the same man he used to be. And Jamie doesn't want to hear it, right? Okay. Ella says he won't fight you anymore, Jamie. They both hear his father calling from upstairs and Jamie storms out there saying, if his father doesn't fight anyone anymore, he's not really his father. And I'm like, okay. So they follow his voice and Ella rushes over to him and we see, and Jamie is completely caught off guard, right? We see his father looking
00:24:00
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He's in a wheelchair, he's got an oxygen mask on. Ella goes to pull the oxygen mask up off of him and he just, he does not look well, right? And so she dutifully stands there just caressing him and whatnot. Jamie doesn't understand what happened to him and Ella explains that his father Edward had a stroke two months ago and Jamie wants to know why he wasn't told. Edward says, Jamie, you didn't return any of my calls.
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You know and he's sorry that he wasn't so easy to get along with in the past But he's changed now the
Jamie’s Family and Supernatural Encounters
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stroke has made him realize that he needs to have my for sure Yes, even though he's already like in his 60s and everything like you should already know that yeah, son like yeah
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Jamie is skeptical but Edward is insistent that he is and he apologizes about Lisa's death and he knows that Jamie brought Lisa back here to put her to rest and that he knows Henry Walker and he'll call him and everything will be taken care of and Jamie says that he can handle everything and that Edward has barely been a father to him his whole life but none of that matters. Now he's here to ask him about Mary Shaw and the poem.
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And his father asks, what poem? And Jamie tries to remember it saying, beware the stare of Mary Shaw. She had no children, only dolls. And if you see her in your dreams, and he kind of, you know, like he's trying to remember, be sure you never ever scream.
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Ella finishes for him, right? And she says, it's just a scary poem, Jamie. And he says it's not just a poem. It has to be real. Edward says they're from a small town with lots of silly superstitions. And Ella offers to make up a room for him, but Jamie declines, saying he has a funeral to plan. It storms out of the room.
00:25:43
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Okay, he takes off and Ella chases after him insisting that his father is a changed man. And Jamie turns around and he points at a portrait of a younger Edward and child Jamie standing next to an empty chair. He says, you see that? My mother used to be in that painting until my father drove her to kill herself.
00:26:00
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I don't know what that means other than maybe he's just a mean, mean man. And then he had her painted out of the portrait. His second wife also passed, we don't know how she passed though, was in another painting of his father standing next to an empty couch. He said he had her painted out too. And then he says the third wife, who was smart enough to leave,
00:26:21
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Oh, so she is his third stepmother. She was smart enough to leave. And he tells Ella it's a good thing that she'll outlive his father. No one will be able to paint her out of her painting as he walks past a portrait of his father, Edward, standing there and Ella sitting beautifully in a black gown or black, just like dress, just
00:26:40
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Smiling and stuff, right? Yeah, and then he storms out of there and Jamie heads to walk her funeral home Going in the front door and seeing an older woman with a stuffed bird eating seeds from her hand, right? And she's clearly in the stages of dementia, right? Like she's just sitting there just being like yeah
00:26:57
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you know, just talking to herself and stuff, right? Inside we meet Mr. Walker, the funeral director, Henry Walker, but I forgot his name was Henry for most of the movie and he's a funeral director and he is going over all the options with Jamie, casket stuff, all that, you know, and he asks, oh, have you had a chance to talk to Lisa's family about what they would want? And he says, no, I've only informed them about her passing and we haven't really talked, they're grieving. Like I just,
00:27:25
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I'm handling everything. So they look at casket options and stuff. And Jamie asked what times Lisa's body will be arriving. And Mr. Walker says later that night, after the police released her body, he'll go pick her up and bring her here and get her ready for the funeral. Back at this tiny little motel, Jamie gets a room for the next few days. And he has the puppet sitting in a chair, just kind of staring out the window as Jamie's sitting there staring at a photo in his wallet of Lisa, right? And she's just smiling, right?
00:27:54
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So he sadly puts his wallet down, shuts off his lamp and rolls over trying to get some sleep. And the flashing red light, the vacancy sign is just in the room, right? Just completely illuminating the whole fucking thing.
00:28:09
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The camera zooms in on the puppet as we hear the sound slowly start to fade out and the puppet turns to face Jamie, obviously. And he rolls over trying to get all cozy again before hearing Lisa's voice say his name. He's startled awake seeing the puppet right in front of him in the flash of the red light and then it's, the red light's gone, red light's back and the puppet's not there.
00:28:29
Speaker
So he sits up looking over to see where the puppet should be sitting and there's the form of someone sitting like their back turned to him. And he's like, what the fuck? And then it turns to face him and it's a very spooky old lady face. And she starts to come at him and he panics and turns on the table lamp that's next to him. And of course the room is empty. The puppet is still sitting there, but it is staring at him.
00:28:54
Speaker
So, Mr. Walker pulls into his driveway, carefully pulling Jamie's wife out of the car and opening up the bag in the morgue, but he jumps back saying, he can't be. Before grabbing, oh, he hears a noise behind him and he turns and hurries over to a small crawl space that, you know, was totally built there for an actual purpose and not to be the most terrifying thing you've ever seen in your life. Yeah, a crawl space in a morgue, sure. Why would anyone do that? Yeah. Why would anyone do that? Yeah, it very much goes under the house. And I'm just like, so I'm,
00:29:24
Speaker
half wondering if the dad converted like a garage into a morgue. And so like, yeah, that's where the crawl space is. Cause it was the garage that would go under the hat. You know, I don't know. I don't like it either.
00:29:37
Speaker
Anyway, but he grabs a little flashlight and he looks in and whatever's in there can be stayed on there. I don't give a fuck. And he thinks his wife is crawled in there again. Okay. And yes, he does see her down there and she's in her nightgown saying, she won't find me down here.
00:29:55
Speaker
She won't find me down here. And he, her name's Marion and he says it a million fucking times in this movie. And he coaxes her to come out. She reluctantly crawls out and he helps her out. Oh, is she the dimensional one? Yes. Oh, okay. Yes. She's his wife. And she shushes her fake little bird and he's like, I'll come up soon. Like I'll be, I'll be done soon. Go on up and I'll come to bed and stuff. So she hurries out and he returns back to Lisa's body where he takes a picture of her with a very old ass like camera with the big old light bulb and like it's there.
00:30:25
Speaker
So the camera flash takes us to an old wooded cemetery where Jamie and I'm guessing Lisa's family are putting flowers on her coffin. And it's a sad little like, they don't spend any time on this funeral whatsoever. Anyway, Jamie's walking through the woods now. And he sees Mrs. Walker wandering alone through the trees. He follows after her and she catches him off guard. Like he kind of loses sight of her and she scares him. And she asks if he saw her.
00:30:53
Speaker
Did he see her kill his wife because she did kill your wife? And he's like, what are you talking about, ma'am? And I'm like, you are the one who are like, yeah, I would be like, what do you know? What do you know and stuff, right? Mr. Walker arrives out of nowhere and tells her to leave Jamie alone. Like, that was not the time. You need to, you know. He suffered enough. Yes.
00:31:12
Speaker
So he goes to hurry her away and Mrs. Walker howling about how he must bury the doll. And Jamie looks over to see a large tombstone covered in weeds and he rips off the weeds and of course it's Mary Shaw. Of course. Right? Yeah. Rushing back to the motel, Jamie grabs the doll. Seeing the back of his neck is scrawled Billy.
00:31:31
Speaker
And he drives back to the, there's so many moments in this movie where they just like make it silent for no reason and you're like, oh, this is very short. And then it's nothing. It's just the puppet being like. Cause that's like the thing. Cause he's just spacing forward and it was like.
00:31:48
Speaker
Side eye, yeah, like bombastic. It's just, anyway. So he gets back to the graveyard. He finds Mary's tombstone and he sees dozens and dozens of little tombstones labeled with different names. No. And he finds the Billy one, digs it up.
00:32:05
Speaker
and indeed sees that it is empty. So he quietly wonders who dug Billy up and the whole area goes silent again, right? So he quickly grabs the doll and unceremoniously tosses him in. And just as he's about to put the lid on, the puppet's head snaps towards him. Oh, good. And he impose the lid down, right? He just, yeah. Then he buries him back up. Jamie high tells it out of there only to being startled by someone flashing by his car when is this one on for like three minutes of something just like,
00:32:36
Speaker
Like he can't see because his windows are kind of fogged up from the rain and whatnot and just great stupid anyway And then he turns and he looks and there's Billy and then drops down and so he jumps out of his car And there's no Billy. Why would you leave your car? I don't know He's like the bravest dumbest guy like he just is like no I'm gonna fucking figure this shit out. I'm like movie. I didn't yeah I mean other people would have been like
00:33:00
Speaker
I know. Oh, and stuff. So like, but I appreciate that he's at least like, no, what the fuck? Like I can appreciate that a little bit. So yeah, back at the motel, Jamie is washing his face in the sink only to come out of the room at a startle by Billy sitting on his bed, of course, and Lipton sitting on a chair. Excuse me, breaking and entering. The fuck out of here. Yeah. Fuck off. Yeah. Okay. I mean, he wasn't supposed to leave town, but for a funeral, you can leave town.
00:33:27
Speaker
Yeah, I'm not under arrest. I can leave town. Thank you. Also, it's been how long and he's just showing up? Yeah. But yeah, breaking and entering. And I said just because it's a hotel room, the hotel clerk can't let an officer in unless the hotel is the one being like, hey, you need to come remove this person or they show up with a warrant.
00:33:44
Speaker
I was just like, what the fuck are you doing in here? Anyway, so Lipton says, um, I thought I told you not to leave town. And, uh, Jamie Annoyed asks if he says that he came to bury his wife. Do you have a problem with that? And Lipton says, nope. And then he turns on his electric razor and just kind of starts shaving his neck again. Sure. Yeah. What? And he says, problem is she's not the only one you came to bury, huh?
00:34:06
Speaker
And I was like, you get all the best little like, quippy. Yeah. Like I'm like, is this why you were made a detective? They were just like, are you really good at antagonizing the, you know? Why does he have to shave so often though? It's just his work. Why is that his thing? It's just, I watched like the behind the scenes for this movie one time and they were saying that they were just trying to give him like a character, like quirk and stuff. Give him a fucking lollipop like every other detective. Right? Yeah. Jesus. I don't know. But they wanted him to be like this, this,
00:34:32
Speaker
You know, he's always shaven because he cares about his appearance, but like he also just kind of looks like a greasy Yeah, like you just yeah, anyway weird. That's weird. Yep Jamie is annoyed that Lipton is following him and Lipton wants to know what's up with the puppet and uses the puppet to ask some questions like
00:34:50
Speaker
Like if the puppet is evidence in the crime that Jamie is the number one suspect in, right? And Jamie again explains that the puppet arrived at his doorstep and he was putting it back. Then tells him about Mary Shaw and her poem, which I'm over here like, listen, son, he was over here like, yeah, this puppet showed up at my house. And you were like, that's bullshit. That's bullshit. You didn't even want to listen. It doesn't mean anything. Yeah. And now you're over here like. About the puppet.
00:35:15
Speaker
Yeah. Fuck off. Like just anyway. And then, uh, tells him about Mary shot and her stupid poem. Right. And Lipton goes, uh, be sure to never ever scream and Lipton goes, or what? Oh, or you end up without a tongue. Guess your wife didn't listen. And Jamie bolts at him, grabbing him by the shirt and Lipton is able to calm him down by being like, Hey, Hey, you know, you don't want to have assaulting a police officer at it to your list of crimes. Right. What list? That'll be my first one. Let's go.
00:35:45
Speaker
Yup. Listen takes Billy with him and says, well, goodnight neighbor and walks off, right? And Jamie's like neighbor. And he looks over as Lipton is standing, like leaning out a little bit of it. Like what if Jamie didn't follow you start, right? Like waiting for a minute, leaning out the door and he's got the puppet with him and the puppet goes,
00:36:04
Speaker
My leg just gets a little slim and I was fucking dying. I was like, this guy, like he's just, he's just, and he goes in his room like right next door. And I'm like, wow. Anyway, that's funny. The next morning, Lipton is shaving again while talking to the puppet, asking his secret for such smooth skin, right? And then he hops in his, it auto corrected police to Olive.
00:36:29
Speaker
His Olive car. His police car and takes off, Jamie sneaking out of his room to break into Lipton's, which is honestly just him opening the door. I guess this teeny tiny little town nobody cares about locking their fucking hotel room. So anyway, he steals the puppet and he takes it back to Walker's funeral home. Mrs. Walker looks quite startled and hurries off, right? Mr. Walker coming out to tell her, oh and her telling him like as she's walking past him, I didn't say anything, I didn't say anything and hurries inside.
00:36:56
Speaker
Right? And Jamie is like, what the fuck? Right? And Mr. Walker tells Jamie that he shouldn't have that doll and asks where he got it because it's hers. And Jamie says, who? Mary Shaw's. And Mr. Walker flinches at the name, obviously, because, you know, and he says, we don't say her name here and stuff. Right? And Jamie's like, why? I want to know who killed my wife. Right? Mr. Walker explains that there are some things you remember and some things you never forget. Like the look on Mary's face when she died.
00:37:24
Speaker
Okay. Okay. So they transition to Jamie and Mr. Walker talking inside and Mr. Walker tells him about Mary Shaw, the ventriloquist who lost her voice. Okay. Okay. They do this flashback, right? And he says, when he was a child, the town used to be thriving and in its glory days. Back then the town built a massive theater out on the lake because it was
00:37:44
Speaker
You know, like, oh, you could just walk across to this massive, it's huge. It's a huge fucking like, or like a huge fucking theater, right? Which from the distance, they're like, yeah, it's big. And then when you see it, you're like, yeah, it's big. But they showed that like tons of people were sitting in here. And I was just like, the perspective's off about this. But anyway.
00:38:04
Speaker
They have like the little introduction and everything he sits down. He says that he only saw her once, which was I think Mary's final show or something like that. I don't know. And we see a crowd clapping for Mary as she comes out onto the stage dragging a box behind her and she opens the box to the crowd and we see it's empty. And she says, where's Billy? Billy, you know, just like calling out and then you hear, you won't find me mother.
00:38:27
Speaker
And the crowd all laugh and everything and stuff, right? And the young Mr. Walker or Mary points at him and she says, you there, would you look under your seat? And so he looks down and he sees Billy the doll sitting underneath it, right? So he grabs him and he brings her back up to the stage and she takes Billy and she says, tell him thank you, Billy. And he looks down and he says, thank you, Henry.
00:38:52
Speaker
And young Mr. Walker is like, um, hello? How do you know that stuff? And so Mary Shaw goes, is that right? Is your name Henry? And he goes, yeah. And she's like, well, thank you, Henry. And then let's him go off to a seat. And she sits down. Like, he looks like he was 10 or 11, right? Definitely not in his teen years, but not little, you know, like he's the in-between.
00:39:16
Speaker
She sits down and she asks Billy why he would run away. Am I a bad mother? And he says, no, you're the best mother in the world. It's just, I don't like being in that box. It gets so stuffy and it makes me want to, to, to, to, right? And she holds up a little handkerchief right as he sneezes and the handkerchief blows. Oh, right? Like just, and so the crowd laughs, ah, ha, ha, ha, ha, right? And this is how funny.
00:39:43
Speaker
And so they chat for a second longer and a little boy in the audience calls out that he can see Mary's lips moving. Right? And she kind of turns to look at him and Billy, you know, like a.
00:39:59
Speaker
You say it again, you know? And so the whole crowd kind of looks at him. The whole crowd looks at him and he's just like, yeah, I can see her lips moving. And a lot of the adults are like, we don't fucking care kind of a look, you know? They're just like, be quiet. Like duh, we know, you know? And- It's not a magic trick. Yeah. And so Mary turns to Billy and she says, well, what do you think of that? Young Michael doesn't think that Billy's a real boy.
00:40:27
Speaker
And Billy says that can't be true. There's no way she'd give him all the good lines. And everyone laughs again and stuff, right? Like she's very clearly trying to be like, thanks kid. Let's go on. And the little boy says something snarky again about like, well, we can see it. We know he's not a real boy and stuff, right?
00:40:46
Speaker
Mary says, oh, don't worry, Billy, there will always be doubters. And Billy says that he doesn't want to forget it. And that he should show them that he's as real as that little boy, right? And Mary starts like, oh, there's no need. We need to go on with the show. And Billy starts, no, mother, no. I'm just as real as he is. As Mary is saying, Billy, calm down. It is OK. Both of them talking at the same time. Yeah, this is where the crowd goes. Yes. And the crowd is like, oh.
00:41:15
Speaker
They're mesmerized. They think this is amazing, right? This is where I would get uncomfortable. They start clapping and cheering and everything and Billy starts to finally calm down and stuff, right? And everybody just thinks this is fascinating. And so both Mary and Billy turn and look at young Michael and they sell him. Who's the dummy now?
00:41:36
Speaker
Also, sorry. Oh, yes. Um, so this is a small town. Yes. And she's famous in this small town for being from this small town. Yes. So it's not shocking that she should know people's names, right? Yeah. But they're like, whoa, I think it's mostly like the kids are like, how do you know my name and stuff? Right? Like it's just, you know, the little kid mentality. Yeah.
00:41:55
Speaker
So, which I'm like, bro, you are Henry Walker, the son of the only town's mortician. Of course they know who the fuck you are. And the other little boy will get to who he is. So yeah, Mr. Walker, they do a flashback, right? Says that after a few weeks, that disbelieving little boy went missing and that he always felt that Mary Shaw had done it. And soon after Mary Shaw was murdered, but they never found out who did it.
00:42:22
Speaker
In her will, she had her dummies buried with her, all 101 of them. Oh my God, why? That's because they were her children. That's a lot. That's too many children. But she was the best act in town. She had all this money, apparently. Like just... Oh, okay. I don't know. I don't know. She had all 101 of them buried and stuff. And that his father, the previous mortician, which took me five fucking minutes to be like,
00:42:48
Speaker
What is the name of a person that works in the morgue? Like, and I was trying so fucking hard to remember the word mortician. Yeah. So that's something you think about every day. I know, but I was like, I fucking know that word. Anyway, was the one who prepared Mary's body for funeral. Her final request was to be turned into a doll. No. Yes. No.
00:43:09
Speaker
So, which like, let's traumatize the mortician that has to do that, okay? Listen, I'm very much of the opinion of somebody being like, their final wish of being like, oh, bury me in a blue casket or something, or, oh, I wanna be, um...
00:43:25
Speaker
cremated and thank you for understanding that and toss into the ocean of this place right like yeah i can understand that people being like no i want to be turned into a plant i might want to be that person that is turned into a stone and put in the hilt of a knife and used to avenge my death right but
00:43:43
Speaker
I don't know. I don't entirely know. It's not my problem after I'm dead. So, but I'm over here like, and like, you know, most people, they have the easy requests. Oh, leave my house to my children, leave my car to my children, leave my fortune to my children and stuff. Mary wants a man to carve out her insides, saw off her lower jaw, put in a hinge to make it. Oh. Are you kidding me? That's intense. Yeah. That's more. No. Okay. You know what I would have done?
00:44:12
Speaker
She's good, like. I mean, they take out your insides anyway. Sure, but all in balmyun, she's good. He had to scoop out her eyes and put in fake ones.
00:44:21
Speaker
I think they do that anyway. Do they? For every single doll, or for every single person, not doll, sorry. Why would they do that? What does it matter? They seal your eyes closed and then, I don't know. They seal my eyes closed, keep my eyeballs. I don't give a shit. I'm dead, I'm going in a box in the ground. Nobody cares. I don't care. It's not like my eyeballs are gonna start oozing out at any second, right? I don't know, I don't know. I need to call up a mortician. Kayla, Kayla, if you're listening, you don't, but hi. Is she the mortician on TikTok? No, I have a friend that's a mortician.
00:44:50
Speaker
Oh, that's cool. Call her. See if we can interview her. She's in Texas. I'm fine. I'm fine. I'll be fine. Kayla, Kayla. I was going to say, is it the TikTok one? Because she's in some her wanna. Oh, no. So it's drama. I'm on every side of TikTok, except for the dancing hoes. Every time I see one of those, I block them. No, thank you. Yeah. Have you seen, sorry, this is going to derail the lives that are really popular right now where people are MPCs.
00:45:16
Speaker
Uh-huh. Gang gang. Gang gang. Gang gang. No. No. I hate it. Sorry. I screen shot it or like I screen recorded one of those and I was just like, what the... She's the one sitting there and she's just like, gang gang, gang gang over and over again while she's holding the straighteners with the popcorn kernels on the... Yeah. Yeah. It's the same. Yeah. That's what I'm talking about too.
00:45:41
Speaker
Yeah, hers was like a rose for me. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah a rose for me. Thank you I'm like, what are we doing here? I also see the one lady with the fucking puppets like it's labyrinth style and stuff She's dressed like an elf and they're just dancing and singing the whole time I saw and I'm like they do that for like two hours straight
00:46:01
Speaker
She's good for them. Yeah, they're having a good time. No, thank you. Not, could not be me. No. Alyssa has energy for five minutes. Yeah. I'm sitting right now and I'm tired. So like. There was one I saw last night that legit looked like characters from like puppets from the Black Crystal. Oh yeah. And there was just like a girl and a guy and he was like stirring something. Yes. And she was just like.
00:46:23
Speaker
Just like loving on him, but they're just little puppets. I blocked that guy. I hate them. It was so weird. I was like, Tony, what is this? And he was like, no. Yeah, I hate it. I can't. I just. Lives are fucking weird. I just get out of here. All you have to do is apparently have your tits out and you're the ones getting all the money and everything. And I told Zach, I'm clearly doing something wrong. Maybe we should do a fake live. Yeah. Pretend we're NPCs and we pop popcorn with straight hairs.
00:46:49
Speaker
I wonder how like how popular we get with that. Anyway, so we see a flashback of young Mr. Walker again creeping in to peek at Mary Shaw who is on a table in her casket already right and he's not tall enough to see into the casket on the table so he stands on the like the bar at the bottom and it starts looking at her feet first of all and just like
00:47:14
Speaker
scanning up and it takes so fucking long to do that anyway though before he can get to her face his weight upends the table and it falls over so she falls on top of him she's in a casket yes and his weight yes no yeah fuck that exactly you know how many men it takes to move a casket at least six yeah so like yeah
00:47:37
Speaker
This one is a hefty child. Yeah. I don't believe it. He's knocking that shit over. She falls on top of him and we see her horrible old face which I took a picture of at a diff... oh here it is, yeah. No. That's the face he gets to see right in front of him in the flashing of the lightning of the storm that's going on right then. Why did his father choose that as her doll face? Stop. No, I don't like it. Why don't you zoom in? Don't make it bigger. Do you see it better? I don't want to.
00:48:05
Speaker
Yeah, but also I took a picture of whatever the fuck this ad is for the the dance moms and whatnot Why are they reaching for her like that? Why are you standing there like that? Is that just like the weirdest fucking thing? I don't like that. I don't like that at all. Oh, so Back to weird normal shit. Okay, I love your two dolls. You know, thank you. We love dolls. Yes back to this uh
00:48:29
Speaker
I meant to send that to you earlier and I just forgot. So he goes crawling backwards, terrified as the lightning flashes and obviously she's suddenly standing in the spooky at him and whatnot. And his father comes in and finds him and Mary Shaw still laying on the ground, right? And Mr. Walker, flashback over, talks to Jamie again saying that ever since Mary Shaw was buried, the town has gone downhill. Whole families murdered and missing their tongues, men, women, and children. As he hands Jamie these stacks of pictures,
00:48:59
Speaker
And he says that when the bodies were found together, they had been posed as if they were taking family portraits. Oh my God. He has the pictures of them all like this. And Jamie thinks it's sick that he has these and he says, it's part of my job. I have to. Also, that should be like evidence for you, sir. Yeah. Look at all these other murders that are the exact same M.O. Exactly. In this town that is not me because I live here.
00:49:24
Speaker
I should be grateful for those pictures, you jackass. So Jamie storms out saying that he's going to the theater on the lake, and Mr. Walker warns him to be careful, right? As Jamie drives away, we see Billy the puppet still sitting on the chair in Mr. Walker's house.
00:49:37
Speaker
Jamie, using a roadmap, drives all the way out to the theater while Detective Lipton goes to dig up the fucking dolls. Why? Jamie has to use an old boat to get to the theater as the bridge was broken. That means don't go there. Exactly right. But finally makes it inside. The whole massive thing is rotten and being taken over by wildlife. Like there's full trees growing up in it. And I'm just like, wow. Yeah. It's on a lake.
00:50:03
Speaker
yeah the wind carried the seeds and then it was planted in nothing in nothing but also kind of cool i don't and i'm like but if it had just been like the old theater i would have been like yeah of course trees took over like trees can go through fucking anything they grow through cars sometimes they're sat there long enough like but not on a lake
00:50:23
Speaker
Yeah, anyway, so the whole thing's rotten, blah, blah, blah. The chandelier has clearly fallen down parts of the ceiling or caving in. He sees this old piano. It's like super dusty. And I'm just like...
00:50:35
Speaker
I don't know, I just don't understand how it would be that dusty if it was on a lake. Like everything should be more moldy to me. Everything is very dusty, thick, thick layers of dust. And so I'm just like, I mean, yeah, it's so windy and it can blow things in and whatnot. But I'm just like, to me it should be more like mossy. It's on top of a lake. I don't know. If wildlife is taking over, that's what makes sense. Exactly, I don't know. Anyway, and he decides in his,
00:51:03
Speaker
plan that he needs to go up to the catwalk and cross the catwalk
00:51:10
Speaker
For reasons. For reasons, which happens to lead him to another portion of the upstairs part, like the attic of the theater. And we find like an apartment up there kind of thing, right? So it's got like the old fireplace and stuff. Okay. And there's a big bed and everything. Like clearly this is where Mary Shaw lived. Or I'm like, or maybe that's where they were trying to like meet people, like they were coming to perform. Like that's where they stay. Like that's their green room kind of thing. And I'm just like, well, why would you have that up?
00:51:39
Speaker
Stairs. That's weird. Oh, yes. Walk across the catwalk to get downstairs to get to. No, that's weird. I just think that's bizarre. Also, the fact that he's trusting his life on this catwalk and this ceiling floor that has been rotting away for years. Oh, it does kind of give out a little bit while he walks in, but he makes it across. And I'm just like, no, thank you. I would reverse, put my thing down, flip it and reverse it. Right. But I'm assuming this is where Mary Shaw like at least lived. This is like the only place anyone ever knows of her being at.
00:52:08
Speaker
So like, you know, so she fandom of the operas lives there. Yep. And yeah, so everything's covered in like thick thick layers of dust and spider webs, which I don't know. Do spiders genuinely just make blankets of everything? Like, I don't think they really do. Like, I just get confused whenever I see shit like that. I'm just like,
00:52:28
Speaker
like in the corners and stuff sure but like there's not just gonna be like wafting from things yeah no like i'm like maybe across chandeliers and stuff but like it's across the mantle place of the fire of the fireplace and i'm just like okay i don't know it's just weird i just think it's bizarre like and i know it's spooky and cool and stuff but i'm like
00:52:48
Speaker
I don't think you guys understand how spiders think. No, it's not realistic. No, it's just stupid. So anyway though, he sees posters falling off the walls of Billy and Mary and stuff and he finds an old rotten suitcase of newspaper clippings and a journal.
00:53:03
Speaker
And as he stands there, we see a vanity or in the vanity mirror. He's looking down at the book, not looking at the vanity mirror. We see someone walking past him, right? So he starts flipping through the journal and we see it's the same sketchbook from the beginning opening credits and stuff. And it's got lots of sketches and some photographs of the dolls and stuff like that. And he sees, he flips to this one page and there's this little flip of paper
00:53:27
Speaker
Okay, that says to make the perfect doll on it, right? But the little flip of paper is like taped to the book so you could like flip it. But he doesn't, like we don't see him flip it. I guess he does, but we don't see it flipped. So anyway.
00:53:43
Speaker
And then he sees, he flips the paper again and he sees a newspaper clipping of the misbehaving, disbelieving boy, right? That was missing. And it says Michael Ashen on the bottom of it. Oh, yes. And so he's clearly related to Jamie somehow. He suddenly hears the sound vanish from the room. He started by another apparition of Mary and he high tells it happening.
00:54:02
Speaker
Back at the funeral home, Mr. Walker hears his wife talking to someone in the other room. Her saying that she didn't talk. She didn't say anything. And we suddenly hear another angry woman's voice saying that you did talk.
00:54:14
Speaker
So Mr. Walker hurries the fuck in there. And then we see Billy the puppet sitting there. She's talking to Billy the puppet, right? And so he grabs the puppet and he says, I'm putting this back where it belongs. And he carries him to his morgue where he throws him down and he starts looking for a shovel, right? When he hears sobbing.
00:54:33
Speaker
And he turns and he thinks that Marion had gotten to the crawl space again. So I don't know if there's another crawl space entrance or whatever, because she could have, because there's multiple crawl space entrances in a lot of houses and stuff. And obviously he didn't see her go in there, but she could have gone down there from somewhere else. And yeah, so he hears her crying and he feels bad and he's, oh, Marion, I'm sorry for
Unveiling Mary Shaw's Theater and Secrets
00:54:56
Speaker
yelling at you. And he goes down there and stuff. And anyway, he's obviously startled by Mary Shaw and she attacks him.
00:55:04
Speaker
And he causing him to shriek and fright and a wicked smirk crosses her face as she snatches his tongue out of his mouth, right? And it's a real quick flash of just like, and then him like falling backwards and it's just whole bloody and stuff, right? And then we see her take his tongue.
00:55:22
Speaker
And a long ass tentacle of other tongues comes out of her mouth. No. Which she attaches the tongue to. No. And then slithers it towards his face, going, your voice is mine now, Henry, in his voice. Okay. Jamie drives to his father's house, seeing him in his stepmother. I'm just getting through the movie now, okay? I saw that the first time in theaters and I went, well, okay.
00:55:52
Speaker
All right. Cool, cool. You've lost me. So Jamie drives to his father's house, seeing him and his stepmother having dinner, and she's dutifully feeding his feeble father some soup, right? And she says, Jamie, dinner's ready. How about I get you a bowl? It's delicious soup. And he says no. And he's not here to eat. He's here to talk about Mary Shaw.
00:56:14
Speaker
and he demands to know about Mary and the missing boy. He wants to know what Michael Ashton has to do with my wife being dead. And his father will let saying that Michael Ashton was Jamie's great uncle, so his uncle. And their family knew like after his uncle went missing, there was only ever one person that they believed it could have been. So they rounded up a posse and stormed the theater attacking her, forcing her to scream
00:56:42
Speaker
and cutting out her tongue with a shaving razor. Oh my God. No wonder she's so vengeful. But she didn't stay dead. She came back and took her revenge. One by one, each of the men from the posse were killed and their tongues ripped out. Then their wives and their children and their children's children.
00:57:01
Speaker
He says he knows Jamie has resented him for sending him away. Oh, that was never discussed. Okay. But he says that he had been trying to protect Jamie from the curse. And Jamie says, well, it didn't work, did it? What about Lisa? And his father says that Lisa's death made him realize that there is no escaping this fate.
00:57:19
Speaker
Jamie spits that he's, oh, I'm paying for my father's sins. But you're paying for your great grandfather's sins. Yeah. Your father is also paying for that sins. Yes. Yes. So like, but here's the thing. So his father wasn't even born yet. His dad was a child when all of this was going down. Yeah.
00:57:38
Speaker
So his garage crap, and you're mad at me. You're just looking to be mad at your dad for whatever reason. And you can be mad at your dad, obviously he drove your mother to suicide or whatnot, if it was suicide. Who fucking knows at this point? But anyway, I said, don't blame your dad for fucking everything.
00:57:56
Speaker
So Jamie says that he doesn't know how, but he's going to stop this curse, right? And Jamie goes to leave only to run into Lipton, who shows up and he says, hey Jamie, can you help me with a missing persons case? I'm looking for a young brown haired boy and all his brothers and sisters. And Jamie's like, what the fuck are you talking about basically, right? And Lipton's like, oh, I dug up those caskets and not a single one of them had a doll in it.
00:58:21
Speaker
Great, right? You think I did that? Yeah, I was like, you think I, I clearly have only been here for this time to this time. What are you talking about? Like I just, and then reburied that, whatever. It doesn't matter. Okay. And that he's for some reason going to take Jamie in now. Okay, with on what grounds? For getting rid of evidence in a murder or something. I don't fucking know.
00:58:43
Speaker
Ella suddenly appears asking if Jamie is okay and that he has a phone call. Jamie answers the phone and hears Mr. Walker saying that he found something that can prove that Jamie didn't kill Lisa and to meet him at the old theater. Why? So he's trying to convince Lipton to come with him, just being like, no, you can come with me and everything. And Lipton is like, no, dude, like that's, I'm not following you anywhere. Like, no. And so he tells him, hey, don't make me handcuff you in front of your mom.
00:59:11
Speaker
So Jamie grabs him by the shirt and throws him over the couch and bolts out the door, right? And Lipton's right after him and Ella's like, Jamie, Jamie, no, and stuff, right? And Jamie jumps into his car, Lipton gets to it and he's like, come on man, don't make me chase you, right? And then Jamie starts to drive away and he's like, I don't even have a full tank of gas.
00:59:29
Speaker
gets in his car and drives after him, right? And so that whole chase scene goes down, but Jamie obviously gets to the theater before him and he finds an old lantern just kind of sitting on the dock and manages to light it. And this thing is not lit, like a lantern should be lit. Like, oh, I just lit a fire in there and it's, there's a fire. It's like a fucking LED. Like he just went pop, pop.
00:59:52
Speaker
and put it in there. Okay. It's blue. I mean, like it's, it's white light. It's not, it's- It's not like an oil lamp. You know, it's, oh, oh, light, you know, like- Let me see a yellow LED. Come on.
01:00:07
Speaker
I know, right? I'm like, you literally could have made it look like anything else. And it's this white light. I don't know if they were trying to make it more, no, it's a solid light. And I was like, bad props department, bad, bad. You did bad on it. I don't know if they were trying to make it more ghostly, spooky. Cause it was, it's aesthetically pleasing.
01:00:26
Speaker
But it doesn't make any sense, so it's whatever, it's fine. Lipton grabs his shotgun and chases after him, finding another boat and crosses after Jamie does, right? Okay. Inside, Jamie starts looking around, calling out for Mr. Walker. He hears Mr. Walker calling him from up the catwalk. Jamie goes up after him. There's a lot of just like, they spend like 10 minutes of this movie in this theater.
01:00:49
Speaker
Doing nothing. Okay, like they're just wandering around. Okay, anyway. Can I just tell you how dumb I am real quick? Oh, yeah. I forgot that Henry was dead and that she was the one talking through him. So I was like, why are they meeting at the theater? It doesn't make any sense. It makes all sense. You're good. Well, he does it. No, obviously. Yeah. I'm with Jamie on this one. And I know they only showed him actually dying so that they could do the tongue thing and stuff. And I was like... Like we get it. Yeah, it's fine. It's whatever. Yeah.
01:01:15
Speaker
But if they had him, yeah, but if they just showed him crawling into the crawl space and then ending the scene, we would all be like, whoa, what happened to Mr. Walker? And I think that would have been better. Because then he gets up there and he really says, there is no Mr. Walker. And it's just Mary Shaw talking through his voice and be like, she killed him. Like, yeah.
01:01:33
Speaker
Especially where we know that the ventriloquism thing already comes in. Yeah, we know. We get it. And you just wanted to show her doing the tongue thing. No, we don't need that. But I was like, no, you can have her still have the weird, sneaky tongue. And I would be like, whoa, she still has their tongues. There's a nuance to movies that people can understand. You don't have to explain it at all. You don't. Nuance is so lost nowadays because they're so worried about dumb fucking people going to movies and not getting things. Yeah.
01:02:03
Speaker
I think we need to make people work to enjoy a movie again. And yeah, anyway, not the whole point. Jamie is none of these things. Jamie is, everything's on his sleeve. Anyway, so they spend way too long meandering around this place, right? And suddenly Lipton shows up and is like staring at him with a shotgun, which, no.
01:02:24
Speaker
but he did run from him. But yeah, so he's got a shotgun pointed on him and he's like, there's no one here, Jamie, look, no one here. And you hear Mr. Walker's voice, I am here. And they both, ooh, like what is that? You know, like, cause obviously that's not the way somebody should be saying that, you know? If they were like, no, I'm right here. Like, you know, no, I've got the truth. Like, yeah, not, I am right here. So Lipton like looks around for a second and he points the gun at Jamie again. And he says, if you say, I told you show, I'm going to shoot you.
01:02:54
Speaker
and then they go like start exploring and stuff again right and they hear Mary humming just a woman's voice humming coming from behind a wall and a little bit of investigation later they realize that the room has a false wall okay and not just like
01:03:10
Speaker
No. Okay. It's labyrinth style where you look you think it's the one wall but if you walk a little bit further and you turn there's a hallway okay which at any other angle you would notice if you go oh hey that's a false wall. There's an opening there. Oh yeah that makes no sense.
01:03:32
Speaker
So that's the wall they walk through. They walk through that fucking last little hallway. Okay. But Jamie does that. He steps over and he turns to Lipton and he says, whatever you do, don't scream. And then walks past the wall and Lipton's like, turn away and goes after him and stuff. Right. Okay. And I was like, why do you have such a hard on for him anyway?
01:03:49
Speaker
Um, so he goes after him and they, they walk into a hidden attic area. That's like the bigger part of the stage and stuff, right? Like, uh, like it's above the stage, but anyway, not the point. This is clearly a workspace for Mary Shaw.
01:04:04
Speaker
as there were hundreds of doll parts laying around, as well as some fully finished puppets and stuff. Lytton picks up one of the puppets and he says to Jamie, you know, if I see another one of these things, and he tosses it over his shoulder, which hits a curtain causing the curtain to fall, and we reveal the shelves upon shelves of the glass coverings of all of 101 of Mary Shaw's dolls. Okay. And should I say 100, as Billy is missing from his case, right?
01:04:33
Speaker
and they keep looking around and stuff. And Billy looks over, or not Billy, Jamie looks over and he sees something covered. There's so many of these like just dumb ass names, sorry.
Unraveling the Mystery: The Puppet Master
01:04:42
Speaker
He removes the sheet and we see a rotting corpse strung up like a puppet, like a marionette puppet. And it is very quick, or very clearly Michael Ashton, his great uncle. And Jamie says, well, I guess we just saw the 70 year old missing persons case. Lovely.
01:05:00
Speaker
and uh how is it very clearly him if it's been 70 years that's a lot of times a lot of times to be a skeleton now he's not he's it's like she i don't know like embalmed him preserved him she very clearly did the eye and the puppet mouth thingy and stuff so like he's just this like but i would automatically assume that that was michael too yeah yeah yeah who else
01:05:22
Speaker
suddenly all the sound of the room vanishes and Jamie says, this is how it starts. And they need to be careful. And all the dolls start creaking their heads towards him. And this goes on for like a minute and a half of just all the dolls, like, ka-ka, ka-ka, ka-ka, turning their heads towards them and stuff, right? We get it. And they keep showing the same doll over and over again. Like they show this random girl doll and this random boy doll and the same doll and a random other doll and a random other doll, the same doll and a random other doll, the same doll, the same doll and the random other doll and a random other, the same doll.
01:05:50
Speaker
Just to like have it crack crack crack crack. And I'm like, do you not have that many puppets? Because you clearly have that many puppets. Yeah, there's supposed to be a hundred of them. Yeah. Anyway, suddenly they hear a chair creaking and they both look over to see a clown puppet rocking back and forth and stuff, right? No. And he keeps rocking into their light and then rocking back into the shadow and rocking into the light and rocking back into the shadow. What was that other movie that you did with the clown in the rocking chair?
01:06:18
Speaker
remember the movie uh-huh that was early on mm-hmm it was
01:06:25
Speaker
Sorry. No, you're fine. I just don't remember what one it is. I don't either. You're good. Anyway, so Jamie holding up his lantern calls out Mary Shaw and the puppet stops mid rock. Okay. And then he says Mary Shaw again and the puppet creaks forward. I just think a bloody Mary thing. And its eyes open up and its mouth drops open and you just hear, clever. And I'm like, clever what? Clever what? Everyone knows who the fuck you are.
01:06:51
Speaker
What do you mean? Yeah, no, that's stupid. This is not clever in the slightest. And I just, and Jamie says, what do you want? And she says, to silence all those who silenced me. Okay. And she says that in like many voices. And Jamie asks if that's why she killed Michael Ashton. And the doll replies, so hard to construct the perfect doll. Sometimes you have to use existing parts.
01:07:15
Speaker
Jamie demands to know why she killed Lisa and she says, come closer, I'll tell you. And Lipton's like, no, no, don't do that. And Jamie's like, it's fine, it's fine, it's fine. It goes closer, right? And she's like, I'll whisper it to you. So he does the whole head turn thingy and she says, you, another, again, more nuance that we could have gotten, right? All she had to say was, you weren't the last Ashen.
01:07:40
Speaker
And I would have been like, ah, she was pregnant. Oh no, but no, she says the last ashen was inside her, which is the weirdest way to say it. It's a creepy ass way. Don't like that. Yeah, don't like that in the slightest and stuff, right? So like, okay. Was it amusement? Yes, good job. Look at you, girl. Good job. Thank you. Yep.
01:08:00
Speaker
And I'm like, all she literally had to say was, you weren't the last Ashton and him for being like, oh, my wife and child, no, kind of a thing, right? Just anyway, not the point. And Jamie looks back a little at Lipton like, hmm.
01:08:14
Speaker
What? You just found out your wife was pregnant. You should be devastated. And he's just like, and her tongue slithers through the clown's mouth and looks up his face, right? And he jumps back, startled, but doesn't scream. He's very good at that. James is very good at not screaming. And the doll's head is grabbed by these two dirty old hands. It just like rises up as she's clearly now standing behind it. She was a tall ass lady too. Okay.
01:08:42
Speaker
Jamie reminds Lipton not to scream and he turns, oh, Lipton turns and fires a gun at the clown, just shattering it and stuff, right? Jamie looks over and he sees one of the doll's faces starting to contort to look like Mary Shaw's and he's like, oh, that one. And so they just start shooting at the, at the dolls that are very clearly like she's trying to, starting to possess. And so Jamie yells that we need to destroy all the dolls and he hurls the lantern and it catches it all on fire, right?
01:09:07
Speaker
And he turns and he looks over as the Michael doll stands up and Mary's standing behind him and they just run out of the room because the whole building's gonna catch on fire, right? But we hear Mary screaming out in pain. Obviously her children are dying and stuff and like just, and she's living through them and anyway. They're running across the catwalk. The catwalk falls and like it just crashes down and Lipton falls.
01:09:31
Speaker
Screaming, obviously, because... Great. And Mary Shaw just... He just like, flies him through the curtain. And then a second later, he comes flinging back through the curtain, but only his upper half. Like, she's holding his legs or some shit. As he's like... Obviously his tongue and jaw are gone, and I just thought this was the funniest scene. Because he just like, goes down the opening of the curtain, hits the ground, and his electric razor is just buzzing on the ground next to him.
01:09:58
Speaker
So- That's like some house shark shit. Yeah. Like- So I'm just like- No. No. Yeah. Jamie is trying to pull himself up, but he's startled by Mary and he falls, which crashes him through the ground into, I'm guessing like a basement or whatever, cause it's all water, right? Oh. So he takes a deep breath and decides, I can escape through here. I don't know, but he starts swimming through and
01:10:25
Speaker
I didn't realize that theaters kept mannequins constantly everywhere. Good. So he's swimming through this underwater graveyard of mannequins. Nope. And I was like, okay. I don't know what is the worst fate here. So he somehow makes it out. Good. And stuff, right?
01:10:42
Speaker
He makes it out as he watches the theater start to burn down and then he remembers Billy, right? And he says one left and he drives away and he drives to Mr. Walker's house and he hears Mrs. Walker sobbing. So he follows the voice down and he sees her sitting there with her husband's body or like his head in her lap. And she's just begging him to say something and stuff, right? She's very heartbroken, you know? And so he asks where the doll is, right? Because obviously Mr. Walker's dead.
01:11:08
Speaker
And she says that Mr. Ashen came and got him. Jamie's father. And he's like, what? My father's in a wheelchair. And she says, no, I saw it was him. And he's like, okay. So he drives to his father's house now. As a massive storm comes rolling in, obviously. So at his father's house, he makes his way upstairs, taking so fucking long. He just is wandering through this fucking house for way too long. And he hears the noises in the house stop. So he walks into his father's room and it's just lit by a fireplace. There's no other light. It's just the fireplace roaring.
01:11:38
Speaker
And he finds Billy in a baby bassinet and he grabs him and Mary jumps at him from the darkness screaming at him. And Jamie throws Billy into the fireplace, right? And Mary screams and goes back into the shadows. And Jamie is like, oh.
01:11:55
Speaker
It's over. And he looks over and he sees his father sitting in the wheelchair. So he approaches his father and he's like, dad, dad. And his father's just kind of vacantly staring. And so he's like, oh crap, did he have another seizure or stroke or some shit? So he shakes him and his father just forward, right? And he's like, oh no, dad. He's like heartbroken. He's like, my dad's dead kind of a thing. Until he realizes that his father's back has been completely hollowed out and there was a pole sticking
01:12:25
Speaker
up his back, right? And he suddenly starts having all these flashbacks of everything making sense of Ella using his dad as a puppet the whole time. Cause every time he like saw his dad, if Ella wasn't touching him, his father was just like sitting there and he didn't take his own mask off.
01:12:44
Speaker
You know, he never once lifted a hand to Jamie, come back or anything. No, he sat in his chair and yeah, he turned and he spoke, but it was Ella doing it all. Oh my God. And we get flashes of Jamie looking through the journal again and flipping over that little flap that says the perfect doll, you know, and he flips it over.
01:13:07
Speaker
Now we get to see it. It's Ella's face. I would have known who that was immediately. It very much looks like her. How did he not know? I don't know. Okay. No idea. He just, I don't know. Anyway, so Ella is suddenly standing behind him and he jumps back as he sees her and she says, who's the dummy now as lightning flashes and it suddenly marries face like her distorted spooky face. And Jamie screams, no.
01:13:35
Speaker
Oh, as Ella launches at him. And then fading out from his eye again, we see a photograph of Jamie sitting like a puppet with his face carved out and little makeup dots and stuff. We see Lisa sitting like a puppet as well. Lipton, Mr. Walker, Jamie's father, and Ella sitting perfectly prim in their little glass,
01:14:02
Speaker
Enclosures and a hand closing a book of the photograph and it's Mary's hand the end Okay interesting It feels so 2007 somehow. Yeah, it really does. That's so funny and I
01:14:19
Speaker
It took me watching it again this time, but I'm pissed, okay? For a very, very long time. I hated this movie for one reason alone, okay? The premise is that Mary was murdered, and so she was coming back to get her revenge, okay? Because the family was like, oh, we think you killed this little boy. She did, she did kill the little boy.
01:14:44
Speaker
So she can't come back and be like, I'm getting revenge because you guys murdered me wrong for that. You know, she's just coming the fuck back because she's like, you guys told me to be quiet. Yeah.
01:14:54
Speaker
You silenced me. Yeah. Because you murdered someone, you bitch. You did. Also, it's not just my revenge on you guys. It's you and your children and your children's children. And so you just want to kill people for the rest of forever. Yeah. But what do you do after there's no one left? Also, I want to kill all those that silenced me. I wasn't even born yet, bitch. Yeah. Okay. Nothing. I wasn't even the egg in my mother's womb. I wasn't even sawed out. Yeah. I was not.
01:15:22
Speaker
Even, like, there was no close to me being existing. No, not at all. I just... Yeah.
01:15:29
Speaker
also like how did the what what magic even with the dolls in the first place she's just that vengeful enough of a spirit to do it or was she a witch did she make a deal with a devil right what did she do burn her like because he uh billy was talking on stage yeah he was obviously alive alive at the time yeah so what
01:15:54
Speaker
unless she was that fucking good that she could do that there's no way there's no way there's no way i mean i know some people can do two voices at once but like not arguing with yourself i don't think so that doesn't make any sense so and can she only act through the dolls i don't know so like now that they're gone but she took over the bot there's at least six now
01:16:16
Speaker
So there's Ella, there's Mr. Walker, there's Lipton. But Ella's alive? But she's not. It's like she's the new body. The conduit. I don't know. And that's my thinking, is I'm like, did you find someone, murder them, and turn them into a puppet? Or are you just possessing them and she's not actually a puppet? Yeah, because that's what it seems like. She's possessing her.
01:16:37
Speaker
or were you reborn into this person's body that you're possessing all these, like, I don't know. There's no, and I wonder if they were planning on explaining it more in the other movies or whatnot, and they very much did not get green lit in the slightest. So like- So what is Ella doing when Miss Mary is herself? Like, is doing all these things in the theater? Is she Mary running around being like this ghostly spirit and whatnot?
01:17:07
Speaker
You know? But here's my other question. Here's my other fucking question for you, okay? Why? You murder literally everybody else and you create this convoluted plan where you hollow out his father, turn him into a puppet to what? Talk to him twice? To what? For what purpose other than you're wanting to kill him? But you make this entire fucking thing.
01:17:36
Speaker
You know how you could have probably gotten him to come back to town so you could kill him? By killing his father. Yeah. Instead of sending him the doll to kill his wife and the last of them. Or...
01:17:48
Speaker
you use the doll to kill them both he was in the apartment true he was right there yeah i mean he didn't scream so maybe that's like her rules that's my only thing is who made up that rule what part of the curse where did that come from is like i can't touch you unless you scream so i'm gonna scare the shit over and over again like
01:18:08
Speaker
What? No, I can possess any fucking puppet that I've made or whatnot. And also humans maybe? Maybe? There's no rules other than you didn't scream. I can't kill you now. Yeah.
01:18:25
Speaker
And like, I feel like him saying, no. Like, is that the same as screaming?
Critique of Mary Shaw's Curse and Motives
01:18:30
Speaker
No. I don't think so. I think that's more of a yell. It's more of a proclamation. Yeah. Like, I just. Exclamation. Yeah, I just. Yeah, when you said that, I didn't think it counted as screaming and then you were like, oh, and then he's dead. Yeah. So. But also at the same time, he's faced way scarier things than her being like, who's the demi now?
01:18:51
Speaker
I would have been like, pow, are you kidding me? You have at least these two dolls in the fireplace. Let's go, snap the neck. Jamie, fight more. This is the thing that's gonna make you go, no. If he looked down and he saw his father and went, no. And then Ella showed up and was like, heh, heh. I would have been like, okay, yeah, that's justified. But no, it was him being like, death.
01:19:16
Speaker
And then him, oh no, this woman I've only known for literally five minutes of my entire life. And him zero shits about it. I've spoken to for probably a grand total of 10 minutes. Yeah. I should time how long he spends talking to her. It's probably less. Like I just, okay. Yeah. So there's just a lot of rules that don't make sense. So that is why a 6.1 is surprising to me. Yeah.
01:19:42
Speaker
Yeah, like the redeeming things sure I can I understand some spooky scenes here or there the the Makeup or whatever the CGI whatever they did for the mouse was yeah good puppets were Creepy like why not huns like what like if she just like? Ripped out their throats or like I could see the jaw, you know, like I have the tentacle in town
01:20:05
Speaker
that's what I'm saying is why have that like why not just Ursula it up and be like I can take your voice cuz I'm a ventriloquist cuz I want to make it creepier I hate it right I hate it yeah and also yeah I agree your tongue is not where your voice comes from no I can still make noise I just can't make words yeah I guess yeah but you know it sound comes from the voice box that's why it's called that yeah like I just
01:20:31
Speaker
I don't know. But yeah, so that's that movie. Okay, so what score do you think is more appropriate? Like a five, if that. Maybe like a five point something, but just... Yeah, the story. Yeah, because the acting was fairly good, you know, like enough, I guess, you know, for it to not be... It's better than a B movie, but not A-list actors. Yeah, yeah.
01:20:57
Speaker
And genuinely, like I had the weirdest love-hate relationship with Lipton the entire time. I was like, this fuck face, heh. Like just, you know. His, I don't even have a full tank of gas got me chuckling pretty hard. Like, you know. Yeah, he's got some funny lines. Yeah. He's supposed to be the quippy detective. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. But why the razor? I hate that more than I should. Oh yeah? I hate that. Did they cut her tongue out with a razor? No, his razor. Oh, his electric razor. Oh yeah.
01:21:26
Speaker
Yeah. Like I could see maybe the first one where he's like looking in the two-way mirror kind of a thing. Or getting ready that morning before he steps out. Yeah. Like why have it in someone else's hotel room? That's weird. Yeah. Why in the theater did it have to be his like dying thing? Yeah. That's so dumb.
01:21:45
Speaker
That makes me angry with how dumb that is. I know, okay. That's all. You're good. I almost wish he just had stupid sunglasses or something that we could hate. Or just a smoker. Yeah, like his cigarette, his lollipop, his something. Not a razor.
01:22:03
Speaker
Is it because of her razor? Is that why it's supposed to be funny? I don't know. Because it's not funny. And I just, I can't get over that false wall. I can't get over the fact that she was like, oh, I'm coming back for revenge because you guys silenced me. Even though I murdered a child for heckling me. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, was it her? Maybe it was the doll. She's the one who turned it into a puppet. So. Yes, that's true. Yeah. In theory.
01:22:30
Speaker
I don't think Billy's turning other puppets into puppets. Billy's pretty crazy. Okay. Well, okay. Yeah, but I was over here like, listen, I get vengeful stories and stuff of them being like, oh yes, I'm a ghost and I was murdered and so I'm going to get my revenge and whatnot. You were justifiably murdered. Yeah, they were getting their revenge. Yeah, you kidnapped a child who was probably also like 10, okay, who was a child.
01:22:58
Speaker
Okay, which, coming from someone who doesn't like children, I love some kids, but I don't like a majority of them, okay? It's a child. Don't do that. Yeah. Yeah. Someone in the audience could have been like, shut up, kid. Yeah. And she would have been like, yep, there we go. You know, play.
01:23:14
Speaker
I don't, also it's weird that it's like this small town, but at the same time, like there's a huge theater. She's so famous. She has so many dolls. She doesn't tour. She doesn't, there's enough that there's a freaking like poem and superstition about her. But also nobody except for Henry talked about all these people that died.
01:23:39
Speaker
I feel like that should have come in more. Oh, well, they did mention at one point the leg lifting was being like, oh, nobody here knows who this Mary Shaw is. And Jamie was like, oh, it's because they're scared. They don't want to talk to you about this. And he's like, it was stupid. It was a stupid line. I didn't think it needed to be in it. So like, but yeah, no, I agree. It's just like, if everyone in your town is dying, then yeah, I get why you would be scared. But like, I don't know.
01:24:07
Speaker
But also, yeah, it doesn't make any sense to me that she's like, oh, and I'm gonna get you and your children and your children's children and their little dogs too. And your spouse that is not currently pregnant with any children. But she was. I mean her, yes, but like these other people were like, oh yes, my wife, who very clearly is done having kids, is now been murdered.
01:24:28
Speaker
It's like fuck off bitch. Everybody you love and everybody that you could love and everybody that ever was ever. I just don't like it. Rules don't make sense. No. We need rules. We need rules. Otherwise you're just Michael Myers running around. Yeah. Which is fine too. Yeah that's fun in its own way. If they were like oh yeah she just murders Willy Nilly I'd be like oh no. Right don't make up rules for some things and then not.
01:24:50
Speaker
Also, what is that poem? Beware the stare of Mary Shaw. She had no children, only dolls. I'm sorry, you are writing a movie to which you are writing a poem about a person in the movie and you don't
01:25:08
Speaker
make her last name rhyme with dolls? Yeah, at least better than Shaw. Shaw? Yeah. She had no children, only dolls. Did the other 10-year-olds make that up? Seriously. Yeah. Right? And I mean, I've heard some people will be like, well, of course her name wouldn't match like with dolls or whatever. I'm like, yeah, but you know people are able to come up with some fucking word for some fucking thing all the time, always. Yeah. Like. Better than that. Better than that. But like, I just, you sit there and you're, people are made of memes constantly on the internet.
01:25:38
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Mm-hmm, and they're like and they're I just there's so many other things that they could have done they could have it just Also, why the stare? I don't know. She's just like Okay Okay, thanks Mary Shaw for staring at me not right beware the
01:25:57
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I don't know. I'm not a writer. But they are! They're the ones writing the poem! Yeah. Beware the stare of Mary Shaw. She had no children, only dolls. And if you see her in your dreams, make sure you never ever scream. Sorry, that is the shortest fucking poem of all time. No one was dreaming. No one. Ever. So just don't scream ever. Yep. What? I don't know. It doesn't make any sense. No. It doesn't make any sense. Nope.
01:26:23
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So that's my movie.
Podcast Closing and Listener Engagement
01:26:25
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01:26:42
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