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Salem Witch Trials - Witch History Part 2! | #JY S3E16
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This week we move on to American witch trials, and of course, focus quite a bit on the Salem Witch Trials. We also get a little off track and have a handful of giggle fits, so really this is just all over the place. Either way, we hope you enjoy!
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Meet Your Hosts: Shannon and Alyssa
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Hello, everybody. Hello. My name is Shannon. I'm Alyssa. This is the second time we're doing this. Welcome to the struggle bus is what I was going to say. Ding, ding all aboard. Zing, zang. Zing, zang. All right. Zang, zang. What is that from?
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Oh, focus, focus, focus. Yeah, ding, ding. Ding, ding, yes, okay. Anyway, thank you for turning into another episode of Hashtag. Judging you. God. Alyssa needs a nap. Shannon needs a break. I need another vacation. Yeah, for reals. No, you need a vacation first. I am. You are? Well, we're not going anywhere. We're staying here. Oh, let's go. Stand right here. That's fine. Fuck here.
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Sorry, you might hear the tapping of the
Is Trick-or-Treating Becoming Obsolete?
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doors. We don't know what it's doing. The doors are doing something weird. They're possessed today, so. Anyway, that's kind of appropriate. We should do the Bible test with the doors. I guess. Yeah. Burn them. Do you float? Well, yeah, they would. So they're witches. Burn them. Burn them. They weigh more than two Bibles.
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I just love that somebody's just a random decision of Bibles, like, hmm. Like garbage. Yeah, no. Ridiculous. It should be like, not that anyone would weigh less than, like, you know. Even if it's 15. Yeah. Everybody else's weight is different. Right? So who knows how much 15 Bible weighs versus Veronica over here. Yeah. Fuck you.
00:02:53
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Sorry, that was a weird noise of that, doesn't it? Oh, that was juice. That was juice. I bought a fuck ton of those hug barrels to give out for Halloween and I have four cases left. Wow. So. But the kids liked it. Oh, they loved it. There were so many kids like, wow.
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Wow, it was great. I was like, yes. Every time a kid left, Zach was like, I don't get it, Elisa. You don't even like kids. And I was like, yes, but now we're that house. I like to be that house, babe. Those kids were like, oh, this is so cool. And he was like, all right. You're a goof. It makes me sad that we live on a cul-de-sac that doesn't,
Fast-Tracking Childhood Experiences
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like there was like a couple of houses that had
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some bigger decorations and like inflatables and stuff. But most of the street was dark so people were just walking right past our circle. Oh yeah? Yeah. So we got like maybe eight knocks at the door. That was it. It's so frustrating. Nobody's trick-or-treating anymore either. A couple people have been complaining on the blog shop and people aren't taking their kids around trick-or-treating.
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And some people are like, it's so much safer to take your kids to trunk or treat. I'm like, what's so safe about it? And they're like, well, I can like keep my eyes on them. You're not keeping your eyes on your kids while you're trick or treating. Right. You don't have to send them with friends or like walk with them. Walk with them. Literally, Adam was next to me unless he was walking up the driveway because I didn't want to like follow him all the way to the door.
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Yeah, some parents would come up though because they're holding the toddler and the toddler would be like, me? You know? Like, yeah, that's fine, here you go. Like, how was that
Unraveling Witchcraft Myths
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unsafe? How was that unsafe? And if you're so concerned about your kid's safety in your neighborhood, why are you living there? Yeah. Like, I just, you know, but it frustrates the hell out of me. And some people are like, oh, it's faster. And I'm like, yeah, let's speed up your kid's childhood. Fuck off, Halloween. What's next? Two presents for Christmas because you're tired of watching them unwrap?
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Like, you know, I mean, I'm not saying you can get your kids however many gifts you want to give them for Christmas. That's not the point. If you're trying to say it's faster this way, why even wrap the presents then? Just be like, here you go. Just give it to them in November when you buy it. Yeah. Yeah. What's the point? Like, I just, it's so frustrating. It's so much more fun. Yeah, it's so much more fun. All of my neighbors are coming. They have tons of candy left.
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I have two, I bought 200 barrels. I told you not to. 200 barrels, I know. I told you to stop at like 140 and you gotta listen to me. Well, I was over here, like a bunch of the neighbors were like, yeah, we hear everybody's planning on... It was like, cool, cool.
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Nope, apparently not. The kids that I saw were fun. It was fun. But I'm just like, where's all the other kids? I bought two bags of candy in case they didn't want the barrels. Everyone wanted the barrels. Take that, Zach. But it's really frustrating because all these parents are like, oh, it's safer. How is it safer? How is it safer?
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Oh, because they're not poisoning the candy. You don't fucking know that. No one's doing that. That story came from a dad who poisoned his two kids so that he could get their life insurance. That's where that came from. He's the only one who has done it that we know of, that we can prove.
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And if no one's giving away drugs, like actual drugs, why would you give that away for free to children? Nobody's spending the time to put fucking razor blades in your kid's candy. No one's doing that. No one's doing that because you would know who hates children so much that they're lacing your pixie sticks with PCP. Like what?
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No one. What? I'm sorry, that's the most expensive thing of all time to do to kids. I'll just, you know, the pixies. Right? Exactly. I'll just go on PCP myself. Or how about that? Don't open the door. It is a universal sign. Lights not on. Yep. You don't have candy. Or don't decorate. Yep. So I just, oh, it just makes me so mad. People need to go trick or treat. And they're like, oh, I mean, it's just cold. I hate walking around. You're no fun. You're no fun. You suck. Yeah.
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Traditions die this way. Mm-hmm. Yeah, and as a homegirl as a as a home Sleepy girl. Yeah, I'm gonna fucking get up and go like it pisses me off. It pisses me off so much Okay, I'm gonna stop rambling. We've been rambling for six minutes now. So All right, guys. Yes. So obviously Halloween is over and spooktober is over But because somebody had to go on a vacation Seriously, oh my gosh. It was me
A Primer on American Witch Trials
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Our episodes got oh, it's super fun one where she broke her phone. I mean I did Nancy phone It's basically the same thing basically the same phone. I don't case that's a cute case
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But yeah, I went on vacation. So our episodes got a little off. So today we have still a spooky episode, but hey, why not? We're spooky bitches all year round. Yes, ma'am. So we are doing part two of the witch history, which nobody asked for, but it's fine. Was it Matt? Was that his name? It was Mike. Mike. Take that Mike and Scotty with two T's and an EY. Two TZY.
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So if you haven't listened to the first episode you should because it was really fun actually. It was so fun! We talked about all of the crazy ways that they would test for witchcraft and witches and just like weird witchy stories and things like that. So yeah. It was really fun. It was a good episode. We talked a lot of shit on all of this bullshit because it's a lot of bullshit. But this week we're kind of doing a continuation of that. We're gonna do some stories of witches and witch trials but in America.
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So yeah there's a lot so we will just get into it. So leading up to 15 minutes in.
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Leading up to Salem, we had a couple little stories here. So in Windsor, Connecticut in 1647, Elise, this is A-L-S-E. Alice. Alice. Okay. Alice. Alice Young. That's how you spell it, like in the looking glass. Like A-L-S-E. A-L-S-E. I think so. Weird. Are Ales maybe? A-L-S-E. A-L-S-E. It's fine. Ales. Ales. Ales. Ales, fine out.
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Else. Okay. Okay. Else Young was the first person in America executed for witchcraft. Before Connecticut's final witch trial took place in 1697, 46 people were accused of witchcraft in that state and 11 were put to death for that crime. So in that 50 years there was 46 people accused and 11 were put to death. That was like a person a year at the very least. And it was probably all in a short period of time if you think about it.
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um in virginia people in nor lower norfolk county in in 16 i'm gonna say 19 all the time 1655 um like you think about that you think 1655 that was like very long ago yeah like i just it's one of those numbers it's like it's hard to fathom because it was so long ago which is hilarious because like
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America is not that old when you think about everything. Europe is so much older. It's crazy. America is just a baby. In lower Norfolk County in 1655, a law was passed making it a crime to falsely accuse someone of witchcraft.
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witchcraft was still a concern obviously. About two dozen witch trials, mostly of women, took place in Virginia between 1626 and 1730. None of the accused were executed. That's good.
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So those were just some fun little tidbits I found. I like that they put in a law to be like, stop accusing people. Yeah, because we needed that a long time ago. We're killing people too much now, clearly. But also, how do you verify, I guess, if it's a false accuse? Because they were clearly murdering people for no fucking reason. Yeah.
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you know, like, oh, you don't weigh as much as a Bible, you're gonna fucking die. Like. Or somebody who just says, well, I saw her in the woods doing something weird. Like, even if you made that up, how do they prove that? Yeah. So it just seems like we're going to put this law in place. It's going to make a difference. Maybe they were just hoping to like scare the, you know, the people who had been doing it. Yeah. Because like they, most of them couldn't read or write. So I'm sure they were probably just terrified of everything, you know, like.
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Knowledge of power and none of them had power back then. So this one is also before the Salem Witch Trials but is interesting story. Okay. So this is the story of Mary Webster and I will tell you her nickname once we're through because it gives things away and I don't want to spoil anything. So Mary Webster was born Mary Reeve in England around 1624.
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The family migrated to Springfield in the Massachusetts Bay Colony and Mary married William Webster in 1670. He was 53 and she was 46. They lived in the Puritan town. She didn't get married until she was 46? I guess. She was a spinster. I guess, yeah. No wonder she was away.
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They lived in the Puritan town of Hadley, Massachusetts, 20 miles north of Springfield, along the Connecticut River. How quaint. William and Mary Webster had little money, lived in a small house, and sometimes needed help from the town to survive. Poverty and neglect did not improve Mary's fiery temper, and she spoke harshly when offended, wrote Sylvester Judd in his 1905 History of Hadley.
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He said, despised and sometimes ill-treated, she was soured with the world and rendered spiteful towards some of her neighbors. Well, no wonder I shouldn't get married till she was 43. That's a bitch. They began to call her a witch and to abuse her. Mary Webster supposedly put a spell on cattle and horses so they couldn't go past her house. The drivers found her and beat her so the animals could pass. Yeah. Okay.
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She once walked into a house and a hen fell down the chimney into a pot of boiling water. Okay well, chickens are stupid. Yeah they are. So yeah. She had a scald mark on her body, probably from the hot water, but her neighbors called it a witch's mark.
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On March 27th, 1683, the Northampton County Court Magistrates examined Mary Webster on suspicion of witchcraft. The Northampton Magistrates decided they couldn't handle the matter, so they sent Mary to Boston in April. She waited in jail until her court date on May 22nd, 1683. So that was two months. When evidence against her was heard by Governor Simon Bradstreet, Deputy Governor Thomas Danforth, and nine assistants.
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They decided to indict her, for that she, not having the fear of God before her eyes, and being instigated by the devil, hath entered into covenant, and had familiarity with him in the shape of a warennage, which is a fisher or wild black cat of the woods. So she had a familiar, I'm guessing, and had his imps sucking her, and teats or marks were found on her.
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okay so moles are they gonna fuck like i just i have a lot of moles yeah yeah like she had a double teat yep look out and she did these things in exchange for help with their magic supposedly
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If you're going to accuse someone of witchcraft, maybe it's not the poorest person in town. So let me say, like, you know, yeah, I'm doing witchcraft and my life still sucks. Like, what? Why would you keep doing witchcraft? I mean, she's just so bitter. At her trial on June 1st, 1683, the court found Mary Webster not guilty. Okay. And she returned to Hadley.
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Mary Webster still faced persecution at home. A year and a half after her return, a prominent Hadley citizen named Phillip Smith died a painful death. Cotton Mather, which if you don't know, is a Salem big boy, big old witch hunter boy.
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Cotton Mather Notorious for supporting the Salem Witch Trials. I do gotta say, I love the name Cotton. I don't know, it's so classic. Like, I probably wouldn't name my kid Cotton, but like, I love it. It's such a classic old, tiny name, you know? Yeah. I don't know. It's just...
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I mean, some people are like, that's so weird though. I'm like, and your name and your kid, Rose, Lily. Yeah, that was a different. Marigold. Lagender. Heather. Oak. Yeah, Lake. Yeah. Yeah. There are weirder names. Yeah. Oh, notorious for supporting those Salem witch trials, um, actually devoted a chapter of his 1702 book, Magnalia Christi Americana to Smith's last days and the mysterious circumstances that surrounded him. Mather, along with people of Hadley, had no doubt Mary Webster murdered Philip Smith with a hideous witchcraft.
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oh yes all because she had tried to help or he had tried to help her at the beginning of january 1684 smith suffered fits and or no sorry january 1685 smith suffered fits and delirium wrote mather he was in great pain crying out lord stay thy hand it is enough it is more than thy frail servant can bear it's crazy that people actually spoke like this right
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Smith also managed to blame Mary Webster for his dire condition. Of course he did. Strange things had happened at his sick bed. Ports of medicine mysteriously emptied. When others held him down during his fits, they heard scratchings around the bed and saw fire on top of it. What? What? The fuck?
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Okay, people still in the drugs is what they're doing. They've taken them drugs, they're hearing them scratch as they see in that fire. What about PCP? Because people back then, they were like, oh yeah, they died of fits and stuff. What even is that? People aren't dying of fits nowadays.
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Is it like seizures? I don't know. I don't know. That's my other thing. Is it cancer? Is it just your body in so much pain that you're just like writhing around in it or whatever? Is it things like that? Could it be seizures? Yeah, I have no idea. It's so weird. Because people aren't having fits nowadays. No. Whatever that means. Maybe it was witchcraft. I don't fucking know. Nobody has fits anymore. They also said that they felt something in the bed as large as a cat.
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but there was nothing there. A cat is a vague size, you know? Like it's, I mean, I guess it's just, yeah. And they felt it. They felt it where? Under the sheets? Like the pressure sitting on the bed? Like they taking them drugs. They're making shit up. They're breaking the law. Right? Maybe that was only in Virginia. I don't know.
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After Philip Smith died, his corpse had swelling in one breast, bruises on his back, and holes that seemed to be made with owls, and though he died on Saturday morning, his body was still warm on Sunday afternoon, though it was cold outside. On Monday, his face was discolored, with blood running down his cheek. Finally, people heard strange noises in the room where his corpse lay.
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The young men of Hadley believed disturbing Mary Webster would ease Smith's pain. So they went after her, they broke into her home, and they beat her. Oh no. Okay. At that point, I'd just fucking become a witch. Right? Like, I just would. Yeah. You know? I'd do anything I could to figure out how to curse you all. Right? Yeah. Fuck off. You want to call me a witch? I'll be a fucking witch. Right.
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Thomas Hutchinson described what they did to her as, while Philip Smith lay ill, a number of brisk lads
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tried an experiment upon the old woman. Having dragged her out of the house, they hung her up until she was no longer moving, let her down, rolled her for some time in the snow, and left her for dead.
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they buried her in the snow and left her there. But when they came back, she was still alive and she lived for another 11
Inside the Salem Witch Trials
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years. Holy shit. Yeah. She's a trooper. At that point I would fucking become a witch. I'd be like, you're all screwed now. Yep. But they call her half hanged Mary. Oh, okay. I was thinking something different, but yeah. Half hanged Mary. Anyway, that's her story. Oh, that's sad. I know it's sad, but it's like,
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Also kind of like bad bitch over here. Right, yeah. I'm fucking Liv. How old was she at this point? Right, I know. Oh my gosh. She was born in 1624 and this was 1684. She was 60 years old. Holy shit. Damn. Back in those days. She probably like lost consciousness real fast. So like I just, you know, that'd be me. They'd be like, get the rope. And I'd be like, shut up.
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Let's say it's a constitution of like two. It's a very negative modifier on this girl. That's true. I used my Hufflepuff skills again this morning. Tony woke me up when he was getting ready to go. It was like 5.45 in the morning and he was like, I can't find my vest. And I was like, okay. And he was like, the vest has my keys in it.
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okay so i got up and it was sitting on my work chair that he had passed like multiple times and i was like it's right here he was like thank you i was walking around the house like with my eyes mostly closed this morning while i was helping zac get ready for work too and i was i was wandering around i was holding his pre-workout and i could not find a shaker bottle and i'm just like
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And he's like, what's up, honey? And I was like, we can't find your shaker bottle. And he's like, oh, OK. So he goes over and he finds it on the counter. But like, I was just like, yeah, my wrist. I can't find it. Like, I looked in the three places that normally is, and it wasn't in one of those three places. So I had no idea where it was. It's over. But yeah, like, oh, no. Who knows? But good job with your puffy puff powers. I was stealing your puffy puff powers, apparently.
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We say puffy puff. I have a co-worker, I had a co-worker. He's from Brazil. His English is pretty good. He speaks English pretty well, but there's still a few things that he doesn't understand. He's like, what is that? I don't, you know. So we asked him what his Hogwarts house is and he goes, I don't know. My wife made me take the test like a few years ago. I think I have a puffy puff. We thought that was fucking hilarious. So we were puffy puffs ever since then.
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So if you hear us say puffy puff, it's a Hufflepuff. I don't think he ever told me that. I think you just started saying it and I just took it. Oh, yeah. That's why. Yeah. Because it's cute. That's why I say puffy puff. Wow. I like that. So. Nice. Yeah. Learn something new every day. Because it was just so funny. He was so, like, baffled. He was like, I think it's a puffy puff. Puffy puff. And we all laughed pretty hard at that. Yeah. So. Is your American house the puffy puff equivalent? The wiggy, whatever that is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:21:50
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Oh, that was bad. I don't know. It was a misfire. It was. Yeah, I can't even remember what it's called because those houses are so stupid. Also, the United States is massive. I'm sorry. I don't care. We would need more than one school. We would need more than one school. We would need one school in each state. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:22:10
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Pretty much. Unless it was a magical school, I guess, that was big enough for everybody. But everybody? Everybody? Well, it's only all the magical kids. But how many magical kids do you think would be in the US? Probably a lot. I mean Hogwarts takes like... But they take from... UK. Yeah, they take the entire UK. Yeah. So I don't know, I mean... But that's only as big as like Texas. Yeah.
00:22:33
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Well they take Scotland and Ireland. That's what I'm saying. Oh yeah, I just, yeah. It's not big at all. It's not that big at all. No. It's like three states on the east coast and Rhode Island is all three of those states. Anyway. Anyway. They've got that topic. Okay. How do we get on that one?
00:22:50
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You were talking about your D&D stats and then I went double tough. Good job, Shannon. Good job. Alyssa has attention deficit disorder. Shannon keeps her on track. Only sometimes. Sometimes I get her off. I just got it. And they were roommates. Alrighty.
00:23:19
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Sittin' five feet apart cuz they're not gay. It depends on who it is. Who's someone you would sit close to in a hot tub? Gina Corano. Who's that? Fuck it out. Why are we doing a serious episode? Today is not the day for it. Oh my gosh, no, listen, it's a nap. Gina Corano. Oh, okay. That woman could walk in here, ruin my life, and I would tell her thank you. Steph on mute.
00:23:50
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There's a character from Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood, too. Her name's Olivier. And she's just this badass, no-nonsense, take-no shit, and she kicks ass. And the second I met her, I was like, oh, she could step on me. Like, so hard, and I would be so grateful. Thank God. She's amazing. I'm a finder. Okay.
00:24:17
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We're just gonna talk about Alyssa's weird. We're just taking a road trip right now. Yeah, I'd let this woman do a lot of things to me. Oh, I can see. I can see. She reminds me of the girl from Atlantis. Oh, yeah, I see that. I can see that.
00:24:33
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Also, Kida, though. Kida. Well, here's the thing. When I was younger and, you know, when you're watching all those movies and stuff, it wasn't any, like, bi-awaking or whatnot. I was like, I want to kick like her. I want to, like, you know? She's doing those, like, flying kick thingies. I was like, I want to be her, you know? So, like, I don't know.
00:24:52
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It's one of those things where I very much look at a person and I'm like, I can't tell if I want to like kiss you or want to be you. Cause Kate Beckinsale, gorgeous. Gorgeous. She could also ruin my life and I would thank her. Like her Gina Corona could walk in the door right now and I would say goodbye husband. Goodbye. And he would say goodbye. Bless you, be on your way. Anyway. Anything else?
00:25:17
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You can cut that whole clip out and we'll just save it as a shit show, whatever clip. We should just make a compilation of all the weird shit that Melissa says when she needs a nap. I have been saving things. I saved that one. Still laugh about the fucking spider one. Oh yeah. I had to leave that in. I left in like 99% of that one because it was just too funny.
00:25:41
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It was so good. That was a fun day. Go listen to Spider in the Attic. Yes, please do. If you want a good laugh. It's so stupid. I don't think we've laughed that hard. Ever. Ever. Ever. We've laughed pretty hard, but that one, that killed us. I fucking die. And then I kept laughing every time. Every time I listen, I've listened to it. Like even just the clip of it.
00:26:06
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every time you say tea and crumpets and i'm like what the fuck and then you're like you can't get it out i die laughing every time i love it so much
00:26:24
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The one that gets me every fucking time is the first one. Emily, what if you died? He did. What? I wish the quality was better on that one. It kills me, but it's so funny. Oh my gosh. Yeah. It just, I might do, like he crashes in it. It crashes in it. That's so dumb. What if he died? He did.
00:26:53
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I'm crying now man. Oh my gosh. Oh gosh. Oh man. Just scrap everything we've done so far and start over. We're 40 minutes in, I'm sorry. It's okay. Okay, keep going.
00:27:25
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like delirious. We weren't even like this when we were drunk. It's why I think alcohol doesn't do much. It just makes me sleepy. Yeah. So like, I'm already tired. We don't need alcohol for that. Okay. Okay. So the Salem witch trials. Oh, damn it. I wrote 1961. That's not when they started. 1861? 1761.
00:27:54
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Sixteen. Sixteen. Sixteen. Sixteen. Alright. Sail and witch trials began in the winter of 1661, I think. Maybe, who knows. Don't correct us on that. Please don't. When a group of girls were reportedly experimenting with fortune-telling techniques, specifically a technique known as the Venus Glass, during which the girls dropped egg whites into a glass of water and interpreted whatever shapes or symbols appeared in an attempt to learn more about their future husbands.
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What shapes are appearing in that? I don't know. I'd play with a Ouija board before that. You'd probably get accurate answers, at least. Yeah, I don't know about that. But yeah, I mean, I guess it's kind of like reading tea leaves, but tea leaves seem better. They seem like they leave a shape. Egg whites dropped into a cup of water are just going to go... Yeah, it's going to like ribbon and swirl and be gross. Yep.
00:28:49
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And they also, they'll separate, they just float. You know what shape egg whites make in water? Blobs. Blobs, like that's it. You're gonna have a fat husband, that's what you get. A blobby, blobby husband. But yeah, that's what they did. On one of these occasions, the girls became terrified when they saw the shape of a coffin in the glass.
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Terrified. Shortly after the incident in January of 1692, so it was 16, Betty Paris and Abigail Williams began behaving strangely, having fits. Shortly after? That's 30 years!
00:29:25
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No, 16. That's 30 years. It must have been 1691 instead of 1961. Oh, probably. That's what it is. Okay. Okay. 1691. Okay. So in January of 1692, Betty Parris and Abigail Williams began behaving strangely, having fits, screaming out in pain and complaining that invisible spirits were pinching them. Pinching them. Pinching them. Yes. Ow. Sorry. I was going to say, that's not you screaming out in pain. Give me fits. That's rude.
00:29:56
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Jeez. Oh no. I don't know why that was so funny, but you're cute. You're just so funny. Thanks. I'm glad you think so. Fucking Mike and Scotty don't. Jerks.
00:30:25
Speaker
They've never listened to an episode, they don't know. I don't know. Let's just add names to the pile every time. Every negative comment we get, we just say, fuck you Arnold, get out of here. I'm dying, I'm sorry, okay. Go! I don't know why you said butt. Okay. Ready, go!
00:30:55
Speaker
I'm hurting. Okay. I'll try not to give you fits. Thank you. Please don't pinch me. Pinching hurts. Yeah, but like how much are they pinching? I mean if it's like a long like hard pinch maybe. Don't pinch yourself. I'm not screaming out in pain. Stop.
00:31:35
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I'm probably gonna bruise myself tomorrow. Yeah Okay, so Pinches and fits yep Screaming out in pain right for no damn reason okay and Putnam jr.
00:31:59
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That's not funny of a name, huh? No, it was just like I could see you past my phone. I don't know. We could go again. Okay, Anne Patnam Jr. and the other afflicted girls soon started experiencing the same symptoms. Some of the other odd behaviors were uncontrollable seizures, so they know what seizures are.
00:32:22
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Stop having a fit. Just like screaming and throwing fits? Because they're spoiled little bitches. Uncontrollable seizures, profane screaming, and trance-like states.
00:32:34
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The uncontrollable seizures were rapid, rhythmic, and sometimes violent shaking movements, often with loss of consciousness. They would fall to the floor and start making animal noises. They would cuss, or they would start talking about Satan. At the end of February, Rev. Samuel Parris called for a doctor, who was believed to be Dr. William Griggs, but he couldn't find anything wrong with the girls and determined they must be bewitched.
00:32:58
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Or that it was the work of the devil. I believe in possessions. I do, right? I wouldn't automatically assume it was a witch casting a spell. I would straight up just be like, there's a demon. Yeah. The devil. The devil. Yeah. I wouldn't immediately be like, someone here is casting spells. Like, I would just be like, oh, the devil is in these girls. Let's get them out. Why aren't you just exercising? I don't know. These people. Do your job as the damn priest or whatever.
00:33:23
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That's all I'm saying. Instead of pointing fingers at everybody, you can't do your job. Right? I just, yeah, oh yeah, let's blame it. It's clearly witches. It's clearly witches. Wait. I mean, that was the thing back then, so. You gotta be real fucking bored. Real fucking bored to be like, oh, this person's a witch and she's casting spells on me. I mean, they were. What else are they doing? Nothing. No. Nothing. Work and housework and chores and school.
00:33:50
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Yeah, they had to open board out of their minds. Cause that sounds like, first of all, this sounds exhausting though. The second I had to start, no, I'm done. Nevermind, no witch, everyone, sorry, it was a weird twitch. I'm fine. It's all good. It just sounds like a 12 year old throwing a fit, not having fits.
00:34:11
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the board out of their minds. According to Samuel Page Fowler in his book, Account of the Life and Character of Reverend Samuel Parris of Salem Village, which is the longest fucking book name ever, he said,
00:34:27
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At this time, Mary Sibley, a member of his church, gave directions to John Indian how to find out who bewitched Betsy Paris and Naby Williams. This was done without the knowledge of Paris. The means used to make the discovery was to make a cake of rye meal with the urine of the children and bake it in the ashes and give it to a dog to eat.
00:34:49
Speaker
Similar disgusting practices appear to have been used to discover and kill witches during the whole period of the delusion. Which we talked about last time. Witch cakes. Wait, it's supposed to kill the dog, right? No, it's supposed to make them talk and say who their witch is. Like, they're supposed to be a familiar of the witch or something.
00:35:09
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You're just gonna make your dog throw up. Yeah, you just the dog is not going to speak No, and they didn't even say like identify like if the dog went up to a person and was like barking. Mm-hmm Sure, maybe yeah, but like they made it sound like the dog would start talking and name the person
00:35:25
Speaker
Makes no sense. I don't get it. You're right. Whoever made that up is the witch. Is the witch. They're pointing fingers. There's no fucking way. Some scholars have speculated that the strange behavior may have resulted from some combination of asthma, encephalitis, Lyme disease, epilepsy, child abuse, delusional psychosis, or convulsive ergotism.
00:35:49
Speaker
The last is a disease caused by eating bread or cereal made of rye that had been infected with the fungus ergot, which can elicit vomiting, choking, fits, hallucinations, and the sense of something crawling on your skin. The hallucinogen LSD is a derivative of ergot. So it is like being on PSP.
00:36:11
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Cause like, here's the thing, for me, if you think about it, if a kid is doing it, to me, that's a social contagion. They're all doing it because the other one is doing it. They're doing it because they fully believe, oh, this is, you know. I have a two. I have a two, oh. If a grown ass adult is like straight up like, no, I'm seeing shit without the intention of being like, it's you and I hate you and we've clearly had issues before. Yeah.
00:36:35
Speaker
They're high. They're losing their mind. They're on PCP. As more young women began to exhibit symptoms, mass hysteria ensued, and three women were accused of witchcraft. Sarah Good, Sarah Osborne, and Tituba, an enslaved woman owned by Paris's father.
00:36:53
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Tituba confessed to being a witch and began accusing others of using black magic. On March 31st, the colonists held a public fast due to the suspicious activities in the village, during which Abigail Williams claimed she saw witches having a sacrament that day at a house in the village. Abigail said she saw the witches eating and drinking flesh and blood, which appeared as red bread and a red drink. The accused were forced to defend themselves without aid of counsel.
00:37:22
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Most damning for them was the admission of spectral evidence, which is claims by the victims that they had seen and been attacked, pinched, bitten, or contorted by specters of the accused, whose forms Satan allegedly had assumed to work his evil.
00:37:40
Speaker
so it wasn't the person it was like their spirit kind of like a spectral like version of them okay that satan took on their form to do it how do you prove that yeah i don't know like even as the accused testified on the witness stand the girls and young women who had accused them writhed whimpered and babbled in the gallery seemingly providing evidence of the specter's demonic presence those who confessed or who confessed and named other witches were spared the court's vengeance
00:38:08
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owing to the Puritan belief that they would receive their punishment from God. Those who insisted upon their innocence met harsher fates, becoming martyrs to their own sense of justice." Which is just like, if you say you're a witch, they'll be like, okay, we'll let God judge you.
00:38:25
Speaker
but I bet I'm not a witch but if someone else says I'm not one then you definitely are one because why would a witch say she is yeah why not just let God judge everybody yeah because that's his job according to you let's burn the whole fucking town down I guess let's just start from fucking scratch because all of you suck yeah
The Trials of Sarah and Dorothy Good
00:38:43
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like so dumb. On June 10th, Bridget Bishop became the first accused witch to be put to death during the Salem witch trials when she was hanged at the Salem gallows. Ultimately around 150 people were accused and 19 were hanged and one was pressed to death by heavy stones and that one was a man actually.
00:39:06
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Those numbers differ a little bit depending on the sites that I looked at. Some said 18 were killed, some said 19. So I'm not really sure on the number. I'm pretty sure... Is it Sarah Good? Was that one of the names you said, Sarah Good? She's one of the more famous ones. I was gonna say she's the the the descendant from the covenant movie with the hot-ass Stephen straight in it. Yeah. So yeah.
00:39:30
Speaker
And she is who we're going to talk about. Oh, sweet. Okay, cool. Have you ever seen The Covenant? I don't think so. Okay, I'm going to review that one for you. Okay. Because that one is... I will do that favor to you and watch that movie. Okay, so it's not good, huh? It's, yeah. So, I mean, it's fun in the sense that, you know, there's a lot of hot guys in it. Okay. They weirdly are... Never mind. We'll talk about it later. We don't. We'll talk about it in, yeah. Okay.
00:39:59
Speaker
Okay, so Sarah's father was John Szilart, an innkeeper who committed suicide in 1672 by drowning himself. I just, how do you drown yourself to death? That seems hard. Yeah. Because your brain will do everything in its power to not do that. Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
00:40:21
Speaker
I don't know. That makes no sense to me. Um, maybe... I mean, if he had stones in his pockets, maybe trying to keep him down or something, you know, like... Jump in the pond and... Anyway, this is not about him. His estate was divided among his widow and his children, but his daughter's shares were to be in his widow's control until the daughters were of age. When Sarah's mother remarried, Sarah's stepfather had control of her inheritance.
00:40:48
Speaker
Yeah. Sarah's first husband was Daniel Poole, a former indentured servant. When he died in 1682, Sarah remarried, this time to William Good. Sarah's stepfather testified later that he gave Sarah and William her inheritance in 1686.
00:41:03
Speaker
Sarah and William sold the property to settle their debts that year. They were held responsible for the debts Daniel Poole had left to her first husband. Oh, okay. Oh, she got married twice. Witch. Witch. Homeless and destitute, the Good Family relied on charity for housing and food and begged for food and work. When Sarah begged among her neighbors, she sometimes cursed those who did not respond. These curses were to be used against her.
00:41:29
Speaker
Weird. In February of 1692, Sarah Good, along with Tituba and Sarah Osborne, were named by Abigail Williams and Elizabeth Paris as causing their strange fits and convulsions. A warrant was filed on February 29th against Sarah Good. She was accused of injuring Elizabeth Paris, Abigail Williams and Putnam Jr. and Elizabeth Hubbard over a two month time period. The warrant demanded that Sarah Good appear in Salem Village by the next day at 10 o'clock.
00:41:57
Speaker
Okay. Sarah was examined that day. She maintained her innocence. The accusing girls responded to her presence physically. They were all tormented according to the transcript, including more fits obviously. These fits. These fits.
00:42:13
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One of the afflicted girls accused Sarah Good's specter of stabbing her with a knife. She produced a broken knife, but a man among the spectators said that it was his broken knife that he had thrown away the day before within sight of the girls.
00:42:28
Speaker
so they literally were like he just discarded a knife i'm gonna go take it and claim that it was somebody else okay that's cool. Tichuba confessed to being a witch and implicated Sarah Goode and Sarah Osborne saying they had forced her to sign the devil's book oh right yes
00:42:44
Speaker
Goode declared that Tituba and Sarah Osborne were the true witches and continued to assert her innocence. An examination showed no witches marks on any of the three. But you know, don't let that get you down. Sarah Goode was sent to Ipswich to be confined by a local constable who was her relative, which seems like a conflict of interest if you ask me.
00:43:06
Speaker
where she escaped briefly but then voluntarily returned. Okay. Elizabeth Hubbard reported that during this time Sarah Good's specter had visited her and tormented her. Sarah was taken to Ipswich jail and by March 3rd was in Salem's jail with Sarah Osborne and Tituba. All three were questioned again by Corwin and Hawthorne. On March 5th William Allen, John Hughes, William Good and Samuel William Good
00:43:31
Speaker
and Samuel Braybuck testified against Sarah and Sarah and Tituba. William testified to a mole on his wife's back, which was interpreted as a witch's mark. Oh yeah, I'd be a fucking witch. But also like your husband? Yeah. Your fucking husband?
00:43:50
Speaker
On March 11th, Sarah was examined again in court on March 29th. And though she maintained her innocence, the girls again were there having their fits. When she was asked who, if not her, had hurt the girls, she accused Sarah Osborne. Do you know what I would have done? Yes. I would have taken the girls and put them in a room and had someone to walk past outside, you know? Like, they're like, oh, if they're in the presence or whatever, you know? Like, you'll just wait here for a little bit. We'll come get you in a way. Yeah.
00:44:19
Speaker
But that wouldn't have worked and then they can't accuse them. So why would we do that? I just think it's shitty that so many people were like, well, it's not me. Like they were just accusing everybody. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like those who were accused were also accusing other people. Yeah. It's like, right? They're saying, oh, name your accomplices and stuff. No, nobody. I don't have any because I'm not one. Like, you know, but that doesn't work. That doesn't work. Clearly.
00:44:42
Speaker
While she was in jail, Sarah Good gave birth to Mercy Good, but the baby did not survive. The conditions at the jail and the lack of food for the mother and child likely contributed to her death.
00:44:54
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Sarah Good and Tituba were ordered to be sent to the Boston jail on March 24th. In June, Sarah Good was indicted and tried. That is a lot of names. Hold on. Johanna Childen, Susannah Sheldon, Samuel and Mary Abbey, Sarah and Thomas Gage, Joseph and Mary Herrick, Henry Herrick, Jonathan Batchelor, William Batten, and William Shaw all gave testimony against Sarah.
00:45:18
Speaker
Her own husband, William Goode, testified that he had seen the devil's mark on her again. On June 29th, Sarah along with Elizabeth Howe, Susanna Martin, and Sarah Wilde were tried and convicted by the jury. Rebecca Nurse was found not guilty. Was that even a name?
00:45:35
Speaker
No. Okay, so she was found not guilty by the jury. Good for Rebecca Nurse. I guess. But they were all condemned to hanging, essentially. On July 19th, 1692, Sarah was hanged near Gallows Hill in Salem. Also hanged that day were Elizabeth Howe, Susanna Martin, Rebecca Nurse, and Sarah Wilde, who had been- Rebecca Nurse was found not guilty and they hung her anyway?
00:45:58
Speaker
Yep, she was found not guilty, spectators hearing the verdict protested loudly, and the court asked the jury to reconsider the evidence. Rebecca was convicted on that second attempt, and then all were condemned to hanging. So even if you're found not guilty, fuck you.
00:46:14
Speaker
So she was hanged near Gallows Hill in Salem. At her execution, when urged by Salem's Reverend Nicholas Noyes to confess, Sarah Good responded with the words, I am no more a witch than you are a wizard, and if you take away my life, God will give you blood to drink. Her statement was remembered widely when he collapsed and died later of a brain hemorrhage.
00:46:37
Speaker
So, that's kind of fun. Yeah. Didn't help her then, but I'm sure a lot of people were like, oh, yep. They're like, whoa, Sarah, we did the right thing. I don't know. I would have taken that as, yeah, God kill him. Like. Oh, yes. Yeah. If, yeah. Yeah. I get what you're saying. That's what I would say. Like, I would immediately be like, oh no, we killed her for no reason. She wasn't a witch.
00:46:59
Speaker
I don't know. I feel like they could spin it the other way, you know? Yeah. I'm just saying, if you're sitting there saying something in God's name, I would think it was God, not Satan, you know? But that's me. Okay. And then the last person we're going to be talking about is Dorothy Goode, who is Sarah's daughter. Okay. One of her daughters.
00:47:22
Speaker
Dorothy and her mother Sarah were accused of practicing witchcraft in Salem at the beginning of the witch trials. Only four years old at the time, she was interrogated by the local magistrates, confessed to being a witch, and purportedly claimed she had seen her mother consorting with the devil.
00:47:36
Speaker
Well, of course, she's four. She's not gonna, like, she's gonna say whatever they want her to say. Yep. They're children. They're impressionable. Yeah, they're impressionable. And they don't, they want to, like, their entire purpose at that age is to appeal and to, you know, like, to the older people so that they don't die. Yeah. Like, that's their whole thing. They're cute when they're little, so you don't want to hurt them. That's the point. Yep. Like. Keep them alive. Keep them alive, like.
00:48:02
Speaker
Mary Walcott and Anne Putnam Jr. claimed the child was deranged and repeatedly bit them as if she were an animal. Dorothy received a brief hearing in which the accusers repeatedly complained of bites on their arms. She was sent to jail, becoming at age 5 the youngest person to be jailed during the Salem Witch Trials.
00:48:24
Speaker
Isn't that so sad? During the Salem witch trials? Not in just... Not in general? Not in general, like all of history? The youngest person ever? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. That's just what it said. Two days later, she was visited by Salem officials. She claimed that she owned a snake that was given to her by her mother that talked to her and sucked blood from her finger.
00:48:46
Speaker
Because that's what she's been hearing them say and that's what she thinks is going to get her out of here. Probably. The officials took this to mean it was her familiar, which is defined as a witch's servant, blah, blah, blah. We know that. Dorothy was examined by John Hawthorne and Jonathan Corwin on March 24th, 25th and 26th.
00:49:04
Speaker
The child told them that she had a little snake that used to suck on the lowest joint of her forefinger. When they inquired where, pointing to other places, the child told them, not there, here, pointing to the same point on her finger. They observed a deep red spot about the bigness of a flea bite.
00:49:22
Speaker
So they'll take anything. You know what that is? That's a red mole. I've got them all over. Or like maybe she got a free and paper cut. Maybe she's a child and she plays. The size of a flea bite on a four-year-old, five-year-old, literally anything. While in jail, she watched her mother give birth, her newborn sister pass away, and then saw her mother being led away to her death. By the time she was finally released at five years of age, Dorothy was insane. Oh, yeah. Yeah. How could she not be? The amount of trauma
00:49:54
Speaker
The probably the amount of time she spent alone in a jail cell yeah like five you can't do that Oh
00:50:00
Speaker
No. Yeah, the next part is sad. In September of 1710, William Good petitioned for the compensation for his wife's execution and his daughter's imprisonment. He blamed the trials for the destruction of his poor family. You ratted her out for no reason. You were spewing lies, Mr. Sir. Right? You son of a bitch. Yeah. Yeah.
00:50:26
Speaker
Fuck off with your compensation shit. Fuck off and die. For destroying your family, which you had part of? That's the same fucking thing as a cheater being like, why are you destroying our family when the other person decides to leave? Fuck off. William Good received one of the largest settlements for this, of anyone in the witch trials. Fuck off, sir.
00:50:50
Speaker
It's not just the worst. People fuck it. Like people suck nowadays. People suck, yeah. But like... People suck. Yeah.
00:50:58
Speaker
In general, people just suck. People just suck. This could happen again easily. I don't know, we talked about that and we shouldn't talk more about that. It's just so easily the cult mentality, you know? Hysteria is so easy for it, social contagion stuff. Imagine the betrayal you would feel if your husband was like, well, I also know that she's a witch because I know she has a mole on her back.
00:51:25
Speaker
What? All right, wait. Let's check you. Do you have a mole, sir? Right. Let's check every single person in this fucking town and tell me one person who doesn't have a mole somewhere. Or a mark. Or a mark. Scratch the scar. Yeah. Something. Something. It's ridiculous. It's so infuriating, honestly.
00:51:44
Speaker
And that poor little girl being jailed at five years old. And of course she's just gonna say what she's been hearing everyone going on about. Of course she would. And maybe they had a snake in their garden and her mom was like, oh my gosh, look at this snake. Let's have a freaking teaching moment. Maybe it did bite her on the finger.
00:52:06
Speaker
Cause it's a snake. Cause it's a snake. And she's probably like, Oh no, honey, we don't play with snakes and stuff. These are bad. Like she's four. Yup. Why? Yup. They had this whole fucking thing on, on Reddit a little while ago. This lady thought her husband was having an affair because she was giving her daughter a bath or something. And the daughter was like, why do we get naked for a bath? Mommy. She's like, because you don't want your clothes to get wet. You gotta, and you gotta clean your, you know, we gotta get y'all clean. And she goes, Oh, like that naked lady on top of daddy. And she was like, what?
00:52:35
Speaker
Okay, so she freaked out thinking her husband was having an affair. So, and her husband who had recently started working out a lot more had been a lot more like, hey honey, I'm home from work, why not, you know, and just all that stuff. And so she goes to her husband, she's like, uh-huh, listen to this funny thing. Because somebody, people were like, she's four, like, or she's a toddler. Like, she doesn't know what she's saying, you know, which,
00:52:58
Speaker
It may or may not, right? But you should go to your husband as in a joking manner of, can you believe she said this? Isn't that so weird? Isn't that so weird? Yeah. And he started laughing. And he goes, oh, that's because she peeked in on us.
00:53:14
Speaker
when you were on top and you didn't see her. And she's like, why didn't you stop us? And he was like, we were, I was enjoying that. He was like, and she ducked back out immediately. Like, you know, and of course she doesn't know what's going on. And she was like, well, why didn't she, why didn't she think it was me? And he's like, cause you were facing away from her and she's naked and naked. And she's not thinking her mother is doing anything like this, you know, like,
00:53:38
Speaker
He's like, what do you? And she's like, I don't know. I think you might be having an affair. And he's like, I'm at work. I'm at the gym or I'm here and you have my location. Like, what do you mean? You know? And she just was like so upset for a little while. And I was like, cause she's four and she doesn't know
The Role of Religion in Witch Trials
00:53:54
Speaker
better. They say things that they see and totally misinterpret all the time. You know?
00:54:00
Speaker
People say weird shit all the time. They're like, oh yeah, my kid wants to watch those funny things of the shit kids say that they have threads on on Twitter. Is that how you, a thread? Is that what it is? I don't use Twitter. And the funny shit, kids are saying, oh, I want to watch this show, but they're not saying what the show is. They're saying, I want to watch this thing. And the one was, I want to watch the left right show. And they're like, what's the left right show? And she's going off about how she wants to watch the left right show.
00:54:30
Speaker
And it isn't until later they're driving in the car, she's all excited because the navigation was on! Oh my god. And that's the left-right show!
00:54:39
Speaker
That's adorable. Right? Oh my gosh. I love that so much. So yeah, she's four. She's gonna say whatever the fuck people are telling her to say, you know? Or however she interprets things. Yeah, like... I like the fact that adults are that impressionable as well in this time. Like, well, in all times, always. Yeah. But like, just, it's crazy how quickly
00:55:01
Speaker
people will get behind things like that and be like, yeah, I also saw something weird happen. Yep. Definitely. Witches. Absolutely. For sure. I'm glad people wise the fuck up after that. Like there was not this, this massive hysteria and everything, you know, like when I feel like.
00:55:17
Speaker
Because I feel like we've kind of moved away from how strong organized religion used to be. Obviously people are still religious, but if someone came and said that they were Jesus, they'd have to do a lot of fucking convincing to anyone to believe them. Otherwise they'd be like, okay, mental institution for you. But back then people would be like, oh, it is our savior. Obviously he is.
00:55:45
Speaker
So, and like, no one's going to be like, oh, they're a witch. Okay. Nowadays they'd be like, we're like, yeah, they're on TikTok. What does it matter? Cool witchy shit. Awesome. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's a different day and age, but we'll just do it for other reasons. We'll find new reasons to ostracize people. That's what we do.
00:56:03
Speaker
But that's the other thing, is that people will ostracize themselves. I fully believe it. If the world became a perfect utopia where we were accepting of everyone's religion, sexuality, identities, everything like that, people would still find a reason to try to be different. It's true, but also, we as humans need to identify with things and to be in groups. I feel like we have a need to find people that are like us. Absolutely, that's why people live in cities.
00:56:31
Speaker
And, but there's always those couple people that are like, no, I'm different. Right, but you are different like these other people. Like, yeah. But I get what you're saying, for sure. Yeah, exactly. It's just, yeah, there will be people that will still continuously go out of their way. It's that desire to be... Special. It's to be special. Yeah.
00:56:48
Speaker
It's probably honestly what a lot of this shit was with the with the witch trials and stuff people were wanting to be part of This thing of like, oh, yes. Did you hear about the gossip? So and so so and so dancing naked in the woods like That's that's all it was and they were bored and they were lonely and they were dumb They were uneducated people like and gossipy bitches and gossipy bitches. That's it Like it just they were stuck at home all fucking day raising their kids and cleaning their houses going insane going insane
00:57:18
Speaker
With the sheer fact of that. They also had nothing else to do. Mm-hmm I mean, I'm not trying to like I'm not trying to bag on stay at home And the slightest no cuz like but they also stay at home moms also have other things to do I mean, they're still going crazy in their house if you have nothing else, you know, even today They're like I'm stir crazy and stuff like, you know, you don't find a hobby or something to get you outside or yeah Having a hobby back then was frowned upon. Mm-hmm You have to be devout to your family and your home and to everything. Yeah. Yeah, I
00:57:46
Speaker
And the men at least got to leave the house to go work, you know? Socialize and yeah, go drinking after and whatever else. And the women socialized in church gossiping. Like, that's the only time. So as soon as there was any hint of someone being a witch, you know, that that was just gonna go from 0 to 60 real quick. Oh yeah, real fucking quick. Because they wanted to be that special person that saw it, you know? Yeah, they wanted to be the accuser. Yeah.
00:58:09
Speaker
which like can you imagine if it had gone the other way and like the hysteria was like I want to be a witch too and like people just like took over as witches that would have been great right we should have done that right we should have all been witches yep um there's this okay so uh there's this one trial that i want to talk about like it's a true crime case that happened way back in the day but these two girls that had their shared hysteria like it was they they had this
00:58:35
Speaker
shared delusionalism or something like that. I know what you're talking about. Yeah. They had themselves so convinced that they were living in this magical world and that these movie stars were so in love with them and so all this stuff, right? Like that they were, and they were obsessed with each other.
00:58:52
Speaker
They did not want to exist without each other. Like there's a couple of things that said that they may have had romantic feelings for one another, but they were, you know, back in the day when that wasn't okay. But they were also obsessed with movie stars and these other, you know, like, so it, I think personally, I don't think that they had romantic feelings for each other. I think it was that like women get it a lot when there's no one else and that's that, that closeness that you feel. They just bonded. They bonded the wigulous. Yeah.
00:59:18
Speaker
Yeah. And I think that's what it was. I don't think they actually had romantic feelings for each other. Um, I think they were codependent in the worst possible way because they were constantly writing letters to each other, pretending to be these other people, these other men who were in love with them and stuff like just, you know, so they were writing to each other about that kind of shit. And they were so obsessed with this world that their parents decided to separate them because they were like, this is
00:59:43
Speaker
not healthy, just way too much. They were constantly together. And so their parents decided to separate them and they did not like that. So they murdered one of the girl's moms thinking that they hit her with a rock multiple times, right? Just hit her with a rock multiple times and then screamed for help because they claimed that they had gone for a walk and mother fell down and hit her head. But when there was multiple spots of spots of blood all over the place, they were like, and multiple
01:00:09
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They were like, what the fuck? What is this? Like they asked about that. And the girls immediately, Oh, well she, when she fell, she started convulsing and hit her head over and over again. And then it just got bigger and bigger. And they were like, obviously you two are fucking lying and stuff. But I'm like, but that is so easy for, for, that's what you could assume that the girls, the younger girls, those 12 year olds and 13 year olds, you know?
01:00:29
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That could very much be like the one girl says, ooh, this and this. And then the other ones, ooh, this and this. Like it's so easy for young hormonal girls to get in that mind space. And like, yeah, boys too, but not nearly as much. I really do genuinely think it's a lot of the hormones. It's really bad.
01:00:46
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Well, that's like just the perfect age for like all that experimenting and stuff too. Like who didn't pretend they were a witch at 13? Exactly. You know what I mean? I think it was more of a horse. You were a horse girl? I think it was, yeah. I wanted to be a horse. You wanted to be a horse? I wanted to be a horse. Oh, when you were 13? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I know. I mean, hey. Yeah. Hang on to your childhood. Right. Every time I open my mouth, you understand a little bit more about me, don't you? Which is funny because we've been friends for how long? I know.
01:01:13
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It's been a long time. Yup. Yup. Anyway. Yup.
01:01:18
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Oh, sorry, yeah, when they're experimenting. Oh yeah, yeah. So who's not lighting candles in their basement? Who's not? Oh yeah, I really was. We were out at the football field with candles and shit and piss because it's fucking cedar and it blows all the fucking time. Wind is ridiculous. They're trying to protect the candles. Like, yeah. Like who doesn't have a necklace they swung like a pendulum at some point? Like the girls dropping egg whites in the water. That's witchcraft back then. That's witchcraft, yeah.
01:01:47
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It's all bullshit. It's all bullshit. I was collecting plants because I was like, yeah, I'm going to make potions and shit. Yeah. I was collecting like leaves and cotton from the cotton trees, which I'm pretty sure is what set up my allergy. Yeah, that's what killed me. Yeah. And like just all that shit, you know, because I was like, yeah, that sounds like so much fun. That's so great. Blah, blah, blah.
01:02:07
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yeah so guaranteed they did it back then yeah yeah and imagine if they got caught doing something like that they would probably blame it on someone else oh yeah so yep that probably didn't help at all no
01:02:18
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Anyway, don't give into the mass hysteria, guys. Don't be a fucking finger pointer. No. Why can't we just let people live their lives?
Episode Wrap-Up and Listener Engagement
01:02:28
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Even if they're witches, who cares? If they're going around murdering people, point some fingers, but like, yeah. But also, if you're just nice to people, witches won't curse you. Exactly. So be a fucking good person. That's all I'm saying. Yeah. Anyway, the dogs are ready. We're ready. They're done. We should let you guys go, but we love you. Love you. Have a great time. Have a great time.
01:02:49
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