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Late Lunch Makes the Day Go Faster
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In this episode Andrew and Patrick discuss the varied benefits of delayed gratification, how to develop a low time preference, and how to teach your kids to do the same.
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Introduction to the Podcast
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and the brave new world begins when all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins as surely as water will wet us as surely as fire will burn the gods of the coffee book headings with terror and slaughter returned
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Hello, everybody, and thank you for joining us for another episode of the Copybook Headings podcast. If you're a new listener, just joining us for the first time. This show is inspired by the poem by Rudyard Kipling called The Gods of the Copybook Headings. And every week we take an old saying, proverb, or maxim and break it down to see what we can learn from it and see if there's still any ancient wisdom that's relevant today found in these old proverbs.
Autumn Enjoyment and Activities
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I'm your host, Patrick Payne, and with me, as always, is my co-host, Andrew Stevens. Andrew, how are you doing, man? Hey, I'm doing all right. How are you?
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Oh, you know, I'm doing good. It's like, uh, autumn's here. My favorite season. I've been seeing these pictures online of all these, uh, like gorgeous colors that the trees are changing. So stuff I need to take a drive up, up some Canyon, take a look. I don't know. it's Anything by you. Yeah. I was thinking the same thing. Uh, someone, someone posted some pictures from, uh, like a hike up Mount Timpanogos, the nearby mountain here.
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And the trees are all colorful. All the aspens are turning yellow and just looks great. I really want to get up there. I think one of the little reels I saw was from Provo Canyon and it was like, the trees are like bright red. It looked really good. So I'm going to have to yeah go somewhere. Yeah. but Yeah. Yeah. It's been fun, man. I love this time of a year. Weather's getting a little cooler and and the only thing The only thing wrong with fall is it's not long enough. My opinion. That's so true. just Snow was right around the corner. you know its It was in the 80s today, but it'll be in the 30s here soon. Yeah, absolutely.
Proverb Exploration: 'Late Lunch Makes the Day Go Faster'
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Well, we got an interesting proverb today. This is one you selected. do You want to tell us about it? Yeah, it's just ah one from our our master list that I was going through. um
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and It's one that I'd never heard, but resonated somewhat. And the the tricky part with this one though, so lunch makes the day go faster or late lunch makes the day go faster. Sorry. That's the key part is late. Late lunch makes the day go faster.
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ah But I could not find ah could have find any good origin on this one. I don't know if you were able to. I think it might have made it a little more interesting to me to see if this came from came from something. But I don't know if the search engines I was using were too much too much noise in the results. I don't know. but ah So we'll just have to we'll have to interpret this ourselves.
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Yeah. Uh, same thing. I tried Googling it and it just said, um, you know, doesn't appear to have a well-documented or specific origin. So, um, yeah, this this is an interesting one. I hadn't heard of it either. A quick note on the, on the master list before we get into much it about this one. People asked me a bunch of times, like when, when they first heard the idea of the podcast or they told them I'd started a podcast, they're like, well, are you going to run out of proverbs? And I'm like,
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No, people don't seem to realize how many of these things there are. I mean, our list has what? I mean, we have a list, but there's, there's books of them and there's thousands of these things. So yeah. Yeah. There's, um, I I've got, ah I've got it right here. and Let me, let me see. We've got, um,
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just on Just from like a list from Wikipedia, right? That's that's kind of like the our starting point. That list itself has scrolling, scrolling, scrolling, ah almost 700. Yeah. So yeah, this will keep us busy for a while. And and you know, some some for sure, like there's overlap. Like as we talk about one, we'll be reminded of others, right? Like, oh, that's that's kind of like this other one. But I don't know, that's really just an opportunity to kind of revisit later down the road and we've had different perspective on things. and So yeah, this this will keep us going for a while. For sure. And I think if there is ever a time when we have a potential guest who wants to talk about one that we've already talked about, I would love to have a guest on to talk about an existing one and hear their take on it and see if yeah we brought up anything that we missed. ah One time in our ah in our exit group chat, those of you who know about our kind of fraternal group that we we met in, a group called Exit, ah one of the members was like,
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brought up a really good point of ah of of ah something that we totally missed of one of the one of the proverbs. I kind of wish we'd had him on, because ah he took it away. I'm like, you're totally right. this but That's probably more what this proverb meant than what we were talking about. But but yeah, so so there's lots to lots to dig into on on these. um So yeah, we'll be busy for lot for a while. But um I want to tell us about about this one in particular. The late lunch makes the day go faster. what Why don't you pick it? Well, I don't know. Maybe it's just the work has been a slog lately. I was thinking that this is like, there are, there are kind of good ways to get through, you know, challenging times.
Personal Interpretations of Proverb
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And this is, this is one that works for me is, you know, to try and delay, delay the breaks, delay the,
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the the respite or the thing you're looking forward to as long as you can to get through as much of of things as you can. And then um and that makes things go faster. I think that this works for all kinds of things. Like when I was a a younger, fitter man, you know, I ran a couple of marathons and that's something. Yeah, I did. Yeah. I did the St. George marathon two times. um And like, that's the same thing. Like, okay, well, if I can put off,
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this like you know these energy jelly beans or whatever I've got. you know another mile I can wait another mile before I have them. like so that That kind of thing just just resumeate resonates with me. um even like Even the way I eat, like since I was a little kid, I have my meal, I have all my little all the all the different servings, different items, i I always save my favorite one to last. yeah like since i was like I trained myself as a kid to do that, and so I still do that. My favorite part of the meal, if I'm like having a hamburger and fries, I'll eat the fries first, because I want that burger. It's like what I'm looking forward to, so that's the last thing I eat. I'm trying to untrain myself to that, because I think that leads to overeating, where I just fill up on stuff and then eat the what I really want.
00:06:53
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trying to reverse it now, but you know, all kinds of things. So what what did you think when you saw this one? Yeah, this is ah this is an interesting one. I thought kind of a lot of the same things. It's funny you mentioned that about the burger. I do that with peanut butter and jelly sandwiches because I don't like the crust as much as the regular part. ah So I'll eat around the crust so I can have some of the some of the sandwich part with no crust left. It's just that perfect bite. too yeah Yeah. And then I was ah looking at like some of our retirement savings. We put some money in 401k.
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Roth IRA and stuff, so hopefully we won't, we don't retire broke, you know? And I was just thinking when the day comes when, what's the age? 60 something when you're able to like pull out your retirement stuff with that penalty. I'm wondering if I'm going to like want to do it or if I'm going to be like, just one more year, you know, one more year, let that grow. It's going to be hard to like, be like, all right, I'm done. I'm done working. I'm going to start pulling this money out because, you know, it compounds and that's kind of one thing I thought of.
Financial Habits and Delaying Gratification
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I hadn't thought about it, but yeah, that's that's another aspect where um you with the human nature is to to really try and stretch that out and and keep delaying that. like if you' yeah If you've practiced it,
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Delayed gratification. That's the key. If that's become a practice for you, it's it's hard to let that go when when the time comes to let it go. For sure. Yeah, I think that's the key part right there is if if you've practiced it, because I don't know that it's necessarily human nature ah to delay gratification. I guess it's it is a human nature, right? Yes. You've got the grasshopper and the ant, right? Some people are grasshoppers, some are ants. so Yeah. Yeah. I was listening to a Dave Ramsey episode one time where this guy calls in and he's like, well, he basically wanted Dave's permission to buy a new truck. And the guy didn't, he was like a working class dude, you know, but at this point, his house was paid off. He's got like 1.3 million in the bank. And Dave's like, just buy your truck, man. Like you worked your whole life for this. Like he always never had a lot of money, his blue collar kind of, but he invested in his little investment.
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And, uh, he's like, if you, if you went out and bought yourself like a stupid truck, a brand new bells and whistles, you know, a hundred thousand dollars, you'd go from 1.3 net worth to 1.2, like whoop, you do, like you still got lots of money. You know, it's like reward yourself that one time, go for it. But it's hard for those people who've been savers their whole lives to shift into spend, spend mode. Yeah. Um, and, and another, so I guess another aspect I thought about with this one,
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It's kind of, um
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ah let's see, what was i was I, I'd say a fast day can lead to a late lunch. And what I mean by this is when you're really in the zone, right? um there There are some things where you can really get going
Engrossment and Time Perception
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and you realize you've you've burned the whole day away. you You didn't, you just skipped lunch because you were <unk> so focused on what you were doing. Yeah. um And this doesn't happen to me a lot, but it happened to me the other day when I was i was just kind of, I was going through some old stuff, ah some old music files, some old songs that my friends and I did in college, like the college band thing. And I went down to rabbit hole and just lost track of time. lost check like i I think, so, side note here, side note, a distraction about distractions.
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My theory about ah adult onset ADD, I think it's just a, I think it's a millennial thing where we grew up without distractions everywhere and now we've got them and we can't focus. Yeah. Um, that's, that's my thing. So like thinking back to when I could just sit down and and read, read like a whole book or, yeah um, you know, play, play the guitar for hours and write songs and stuff. Um, so I just kind of, uh,
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chaantos ah I was going back back to that that mindset, kind of ah just losing myself and going through this old stuff, and um which is not something I do too much anymore. I get fidgety and I ah have like that just yeah instinct inclination to, oh, I need to go check, I need to go check my yeah my Twitter feed or something. you know like yeah that's That's me throughout most of the day, but that was completely gone when I was doing this when i was going doing this music thing.
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And I was thinking, oh man, that'd be nice to get back into so anything that had me in that mindset, in that kind of flow would just be yeah lovely. But i've heard i've heard that was kind of the other way I thought about this one.
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Yeah, that's an interesting perspective. You kind of reversed it and and looked at it from the other the perspective. But yeah, I mean, i've I've felt that before where you're really in the zone and cranking on something and then you look up and and hours have gone by. I mean, those are those days are great. If you could have a job where you do that every day, I mean, that's ideal because it's like the days fly by.
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if you know ah And to some people who don't experience that regularly or haven't ever, it can seem really weird to be like, you forgot to eat? like What do you mean you forget to eat? like like Doesn't your stomach remind you? But yeah, your brain can get so focused on something that it kind of ignores input from from other places. And and I mean, it doesn't happen to me all the time, but or super often, I would say. But yeah, I've definitely, definitely experienced that. So that's an interesting perspective.
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um I was gonna ask like ah about this one. it's It's talking about lunch but obviously the the the broader message here is delayed gratification.
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um when you when you push your lunch back, it makes and makes the day better, kind of makes the day go faster. It's kind of kind of the the the message there. what um Well, I guess we kind of already talked about it a little bit about the human nature. What what do you think makes one person more that way than the other? Or or
Delayed Gratification and Success
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ah can you can you do you think you can we can develop this ability to delay gratification?
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Yeah, I think i think it's it's something that can be developed. It's something that can be trained. It's worthwhile trying to train your your kids in it. think I think people who have it, it's because it was instilled in them. Yeah. um I mean, i think in it's easier maybe at some times in some places than others, like in times of scarcity, it's easier.
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um because the delayed gratification is really, there's nothing to do about it. Mandatory. You really do have to delay it. And it doesn't leave. My grandma grew up in the Depression. She was like that until the day she died. Yeah, you got like reading those old little house on the prairie books or something where they got a piece of candy for Christmas, right? Yeah. So when it comes to that kind of thing that was built in,
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um But yeah, I think it it can certainly be trained. And I think when it comes to um part of it also, though, is is identifying what what motivates you and what what type of thing, what kind of what kind of activity would kind of work will get you get your mind focused enough that you can delay. I think that's that's part of it.
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Yeah. Did you ever hear about that study, what they did with the kids? Were they like, we're going to offer them a marshmallow or something? if they Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's a good one. I think, I think we might've talked about that in a previous episode where the, I don't remember. Yeah. probably did They can have, they can have like one marshmallow if they eat it now. But if they waited however many minutes, they could have two or something like that. Right. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. um And ah man, I need to practice that more with my kids. They just, they're spoiled. I wonder how much of that is trainable and ah how much of that is kind of innate personality, because it really does seem like kind of a superpower to be able to to delay gratification. It seems like all good things are hiding behind, you know,
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delayed gratification. um yeah I read stories sometimes of you know biographies of successful people or or i'll hear a story about somebody, and I'm like, oh, this person jumped on a really good business opportunity, and man, they got so lucky. And then you read the details, and you're like, oh, they they invested $100,000, and they were 29 years old. I'm like, how many 29-year-olds are just sitting on 100 grand? I'm like, but they but they did. They saved it, and then they were just waiting. And then when that opportunity came, they jumped on it.
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um rather than spending that money, which is what I would have done. Right. So yeah, it seems like most success has something to do with delayed gratification, whether it be success in business or or or fitness or learning or, I don't know, is relationships that way? I was going to say relationships and I'm like, I don't know how that would apply. Maybe it is.
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um Yeah, I mean, there's definitely there's an aspect of kind of denying yourself for the sake of a relationship and that ends up paying dividends.
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um but Yeah, so I think so. it's it's it's less It's less transactional than the other ones, but I think it's there. I think that exists. Yeah, yeah. yeah um Yeah,
Teaching Children Delayed Gratification
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you mentioned training kids. that's the That's the tricky part is how to train them to to to see that ah that pot of gold at the end of the rainbow rather than all the yeah butterflies they want to chase now. Yeah, even with with my kids, you know we'll get in the car and they they want to listen to their music. They want to listen to their whatever music from whatever show or movie they're they're into at the time.
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and I'm just, you know, I'm kind of tired of listening to it all the time. So it's like, all right, well, we can we can listen to dad's music on the way there and then your music on the way back and they have to deal with it. And also, I mean, as part of that, you discover they might not get what they what they wanted at that time, but then they discover that they like something else. Right. They might like one of your one of dad's old songs that that they they would not have chosen to listen to, but then they end up liking it. So you if you do that, if you deny yourself along the way in some aspects, you might discover something else that you that you like. you know If you have trouble putting down the junk food and then you're doing the health food thing to to to hold off and get to like your cheat day at the end of the week, you might discover a food you never tried that you really love. And and maybe that's just something you stick with and it's healthier for you, something like that.
00:17:47
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Yeah, like that, I think that's definitely true. and um ah Like I've noticed that when I'm trying to save for something, you know, when I'm trying to... ah rather than, because we usually set up our budget so I have like some fun money every month that I can spend. I can just blow it every month or I can squirrel that away for something that I want more. and I've noticed that as I try to do that, it makes me really have to be intentional about what do you really want? Is this a shiny thing that you're not going to care about it in six months or is this something that you really want to have?
00:18:21
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um I'm a, so I'm a, I'm a stuff guy. I'm like a things person. And my wife is not. And like she never spends her, her spending money. same Same with us. Yep. I look at her. I look at her, her number. I'm like, are you kidding me?
00:18:36
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It's been on my, it's been on every month, yeah. Yeah, exactly. um But yeah, yeah, I think i think ah going along the journey can definitely help you learn things about yourself. You can learn, have new experiences and and stuff like that. Okay, so when you do that with your kids with the song, are they okay with doing their song last? Or are they always like, okay, yeah, but we want my song first, and then you can do your song on the way back.
00:19:04
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I think usually my now five year old picks to get hers on the way back. I think she picks. Oh, that's a good sign. That's a great sign. Yeah. Yeah. So for the most part, she, cause that's, that's a worry, right? That yeah, that they'll pick their thing now and then melt down when it's, when it's taken away later. So yeah, as much as like, as much as you can kind of nudge them towards that, right? For sure. And there's, you know, you could, there's, there's the parental rhetorical tricks you can do with you know tone of voice like, oh, we have to lift and listen to that later. or you know just but yeah yeah you there's There's ways you can you can of kind of manipulate them into making the right choice, and then and then it works out for everyone, and then you don't have to manipulate later on. Yeah, I mean, it's a really important lesson to teach kids that they have to give up something now to get something later.
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um
Societal Trends and Instant Gratification
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One of our kids is just a candy fiend, you know? He's trying to get him to eat anything healthy. He's a chore. And most of our other kids, I mean, all kids like candy, but we've never really had a kid like that before where he's just like obsessed with candy. And so it's been hard to to get him to eat something good, you know, and and wait for the treat. yeah if If he knows there's going to be dessert,
00:20:26
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yeah Like he just can't, he just can't even, he will not take a bite of broccoli or anything. I mean, whereas normally he might, but if he, you know, it's really, really hard for him. So yeah, some, some, some people are, are just kind of that way, but I do think it's worthwhile lesson to teach.
00:20:44
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um I mean, okay. So, you know, this is part of the podcast usually talk about the gods of the marketplace, how society feels about this. And, and, and generally I feel like, uh, society's not very into delayed gratification. I mean, yeah would you agree with that? Yeah, definitely. Uh, first thing that comes to mind is like all the,
00:21:10
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Like the the vacation posts you see all over and it's so much of it you discover is people who are really taking on a bunch of debt to go on these vacations when they're young and just kind of, you know, be Instagram vacationers and stuff and just, yeah,
00:21:31
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yeah getting in a bunch of consumer debt just to go. travel around a little bit, whereas you know the the more prudent thing was at least save. you know You don't have to wait till you're retired, but but yeah, like you're at least saving for it rather and delaying that gratification, delaying that and keeping within your means. so that's that's and And that seems to be the you know the message that's put put out there is that you you can just do it. You just go for it and don't worry about the don't worry about the debt.
00:22:02
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Yeah, 100%. Dear listeners of the Copybook Headings podcast, please don't finance your vacations. We love you. We want you to be wise. Don't do that. oh um But yeah, it's a it's yeah i mean we talked a little bit about already about retirement funds, but I think that's one of the one of the biggest delayed gratification things you can do. i I had a friend I was talking to recently, and and telling me that he and his wife like buy lottery tickets every every week, and try to win the lottery. and you know That's fine, I guess. i don't know It's not that big of a deal. but
00:22:39
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Part of me was wondering you know how much they're spending and yeah you know if they've done the math, you know thinking how if i if I had invested that money instead, you know rather than trying to win a million dollars, could that have turned into a million dollars guaranteed, or pretty much guaranteed, assuming the market continues to do what it's been doing, but but near guarantee. um And maybe they don't spend that much, maybe it's just a little cheap things and it's a little fun thing to do. I don't know, I don't wanna judge people too harshly, but but ah but yeah. um
00:23:11
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There's a. Especially with those like kind of games of chance or gambling, there's like that the element of you could win big right now, you know, so you don't have to you don't have to wait and and get it later. I don't know if I make any sense, but no, that that makes perfect sense. And it's one thing that that I find it a challenge um being a little bit older.
00:23:36
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than a lot of my, or, you know, maybe being the same age as some of my neighbors and stuff, but their kids are a lot older than mine. And so really ultimately I'm in a different stage of life than people who are my age. And so when I get, when I see them like, okay, now they're taking, they're taking the vacations cause their kids are old enough to to, to handle it or stay home or whatever, or they're getting the new car or the boat or whatever.
00:24:02
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It's like, well, you know, say nothing of the possibility. People are just, you know, financing everything. Like they're just in a different stage. Like that's not where my life is right now. And I have to be patient. My kids will grow up and we will be able to do those fun things too, but not this year. Um, so that that's something, a challenge that's a challenge that I have to remind myself of. Yeah. Yeah. A hundred percent. It's, it's tough. I mean, the, the, um,
00:24:30
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You know they ah what they say, comparison is the thief of joy. It's tough it's toughest to to look around and see other people that are having more fun than you. And there's all some there's always someone having a blast when you're slogging away working. But um yeah, it's important to look at your own situation. and and I mean, I have a ah friend who's like, I mean, I don't know that he's ever, you know, made that much money. I think he does okay. But I know that he is like a diligent investor and saver. And he was telling me one of the the day the other day, like,
00:25:06
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how much money he's got in his retirement. I'm like, holy smokes, this dude's going to be loaded like yeah when he retires because he's just you know he's just diligent doing doing his thing. and maybe Maybe a lot of people have had fancier vacations than him. I don't think know if he's ever taken a big fancy vacation with his wife. but They just plug plug away you know and and delay the gratification. so i mean i'm hoping I'm hoping that that day comes for me. It's not all for nothing. so so ah yeah S and&P 500, please don't do anything crazy.
00:25:38
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Yeah, just keep keep going. keep going Just keep trucking along. um I have a question for you guys. In in your house, do you um are you guys strict about you know making sure that all the chores are done before you go do anything fun? Or do you guys have any flexibility with if if they want to do something play first and then do their chores later? We're still...
00:26:01
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we're still navigating the the chores, the individual chores things. so Oh yeah, they're pretty young. Yeah, they're pretty young. And and so we don't we don't have, I mean, the the oldest is certainly old enough that we could probably start doing that. We probably should, but ah yeah, it's not something we've we've navigated too much. That was definitely something for for me growing up. I think, you know, the chores had to get done or or at least like on Saturday mornings, we had to the TV had to be off by a certain time with the Saturday morning cartoons and we have to go do you whatever the chores were before we could go back and do something fun again. So yeah, we had that. What are what are you doing with your kids for for that?
00:26:42
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Yeah, we usually will do, have them do chores like on a Saturday before they can go play with their friends or something. But sometimes we'll do, we'll have like some family thing, you know, or like, ah we'll have like ah ah an outing, you know, like, hey, we'll go and sometimes it makes more sense to go in the morning, take them to a museum or to a park or something. and And then when you get back, it's a nightmare. and i give de chore So, um, we, we don't always do the chores first, but it's typically best practice, I think to try if you can. Um, like I said, with the, with some of the activities you do, you might not always be able to, but if, uh, if you can, I think that's the best way to do it because kids don't like to come off of a, off of a fun high where you're out partying and then come home and vacuum the basement. They don't like to do that. Yeah.
00:27:31
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Yeah, it reminds me of the yeah procrastinating a bit as ah as a kid with my homework or something like that, you know putting it off to the very end of the day, get tired, but you get got do it. and you know Sometimes the chores are that way too, where if you have the yeah load the dishes assignment for the family and you keep putting it off, the you're you're up wait You're up way past your bedtime because your parents aren't letting you go to bed until you do that chore. and Yeah. no we ah We recently hate went to took took my boys to a jujitsu tournament and this is the we had three boys competing. this is
00:28:09
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my the younger ones first time and the older two have been to a few and we had taken a break from jujitsu for a while and then we came back to it and and it was funny seeing them because in the weeks coming up to the tournament they knew it was coming whatever but there were a couple days were like well what if we skip jujitsu class today like you know you guys have to understand like you gotta be sharp if you want to If you wanna compete and you wanna win, you guys wanna win,
Jujitsu, Flow, and Achievement
00:28:36
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right? and And so trying to instill in them that that cause and effect, right? Where you you put in the work now and you work hard and you train and you train and you practice.
00:28:47
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And it's hard sometimes, some of them didn't understand. They're like, well, what, you know, I already know, you know, I'm not gonna get a new belt between now and then. I'm like, no, no, no, it's not about, you know, ah taking a big jump up. It might just be sharpening a skill or honing something that you already know that who knows could end up being, you know, you reverse some position and get a point and score and win when when a tournament over something that you could learn today. So that was a, it was kind of an interesting thing that we did.
00:29:17
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that that That reminds me of something that, you know, I was reading a little bit about like um flow, you know, flow state and and thinking about this one. And one of the things like one of the psychologists that um ah kind of developed the term, um I won't even attempt to pronounce his name, um but he had this kind of like,
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mapped out mental you know the mental state in terms of challenge level and skill level. And flow is at the top corner of high skill and high challenge. And what you're talking about with your with your boys and jujitsu reminds me of that, right? Like you want them, you're you're trying to instill in them that they need to get to that skill level, that high skill level.
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um and challenge themselves, you know, that the competition is the high challenge and then getting, doing the training is the high skill. And then that's where the really satisfying work that they can do is when they can match those two up and and challenge themselves with the skill that they've developed along the way. Because if they don't, if they have lower skill, um it's it's not as, not as satisfying. You don't get into that flow. You, uh,
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Oh yeah, you just get smashed. Yeah. So low, low skill and high challenges is the anxiety quadrant. So you just get and anxious and and there's nothing you can really, like you're not, you're not getting into it. So yeah, I think that's, that's pretty cool. Yeah. It's frustrating when you're, you have a high challenge, but you don't have the skills to meet it. Yeah. um And, and yeah, I mean,
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I'm sure a lot of sports are that way, but jujitsu for sure for sure is where you're, especially in a match, in a tournament, I mean, you forget about time because you're just, you're focusing on every, every, you know, little aspect. I mean, assuming your, your skill level is is comparable and you're really going against somebody else. I mean, if you're, if their skill level's way higher, like if I'm rolling with upper belts and the time doesn't go by fast, it goes very real slow, you're just getting smushed. But, ah but yeah, that's interesting about the,
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about the high skill and high challenge. That's a, that's a, doesn't have to be a sport, but yeah, man, getting your kids into something where, where they have to challenge themselves and, and, and develop, uh, abilities and skills, I think is super beneficial for them. Yeah. Cause I mean, the thing out that got me thinking about earlier was, was music. And yeah, when you're you're pushing yourself and practicing a lot and you're at, at a, at a level where you can.
00:31:59
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Improvise and and and really have fun and you're challenging yourself like that's when you get into that flow Yeah, so all all kinds of places you can you can develop that Yep, absolutely. Well, hey, man, this was a
Conclusion and Practical Advice
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good one. And I think it's good advice if you can push your lunch back but Yeah, push your lunch hour back a little bit good for you. Just don't spoil your dinner, you know, it's just yeah not too far back ah And eat your ah eat the crust of your peanut butter and jelly first Yep. That's the that proven way to do it. That's the way to do it. As proven as as a told by two experts right here. Two yeah PB and&J experts. Two out of two podcasts. That's right. All right, cool. Hey, thanks so much. Thanks for picking this one, Andrew. This is a good one. And thanks for listening, everybody. We will see you guys all next week. All right, we'll see you. There are only four things certain since social progress began.
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