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S07E14: A Tribute to Charles G. "Chuck" Resnick RLAW '77 — with Hon. Francine Axelrad RLAW '77, Laura Ann Pentelandolfo RLAW '09, and Guest Host Jonathan Amira RLAW '14
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On today's episode of the podcast, Jonathan Amira RLAW '14 guest hosts a conversation with Hon. Francine Axelrad RLAW '77 and Laura Ann Pontelandolfo RLAW '09 reflecting on the life and legacy of Charles G. "Chuck" Resnick RLAW ’77, who passed away on September 14, 2025.
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00:00:09
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You're listening to the award-winning podcast from Rutgers Law School, The Power of Attorney. I'm your host and Dean of the Law School, Joanna Bond.
00:00:23
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Hello, my name is Jonathan Amirov and it is my pleasure to guest host on behalf of Dean Vaughn for this special episode of the award-winning Rutgers Law School Power of Attorney podcast.
00:00:35
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I've invited two fellow Rutgers Law alumni to join me in tribute to Charles G. Resnick. Chuck, as he is affectionately known, was a beloved Rutgers Law alumnus whose commitment left a tremendous impact on this law school and the countless lives beyond it. He passed away this fall.
00:00:52
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This podcast is a reflection on the legacy that just one alum can have on an institution and on the legal profession. First, let's get to know everyone. I'm a 2014 graduate of Rutgers Law School in Camden.
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I currently serve as the treasurer of the Rutgers Law Camden Alumni Association and received the Distinguished Alumni Recent Graduate Award in 2024.
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Joining me is Laura Ann Pontilindolfo, Assistant General Counsel at CENLAR and class of 2009 Rutgers Law graduate. Also joining me is Rutgers Law Agile Professor and Judge Francine Axelrod, who is a classmate of Chuck's the class of 1977.
00:01:32
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Thank you both for joining me on this special podcast. Laura Ann, I'd like to start with you. ah What is ah your origin story and what led you to law school?
00:01:43
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So I knew from the moment that i I started undergrad that I would probably be going to law school. Everything that I was interested in studying pretty much meant that I was going to go somewhere else at graduation. And law school seemed to make the most sense. um There's so many different things that you can do with a law degree that I knew that that was the right choice for me.
00:02:07
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Wonderful. Same question for you, Judge Axelrod. What is your origin story and what led you to law school? Pretty much the same thing. i um probably knew since high school that I wanted to go to law school. And um although in college, I took pretty much everything.
00:02:25
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ah The idea was to just be well-rounded, a lot of cocktail conversation, learning a lot of different things. um But I went conventionally from college to law school.
00:02:37
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um And um had a rude awakening my first year. um I'll tell you more about that with Chuck chuck and myself. But one from, um you know, a class where you'd be 20 people in a class, some of the seminars, and all of a sudden you've got 200 people in a class. A rude awakening. Yeah. But we got through it, although Chuck went Chuck went to a little bit larger school. Chuck went to Bucknell, but still a little bit of a rude awakening. Suddenly looking around and having 200 people in a class.
00:03:11
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I can absolutely relate to that. Having attended Drew University as an undergrad, um where my graduating class was about 360 students and then going from there to Rutgers, which as you both know, ah huge student body.
00:03:27
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Um, ah For me, ah law school was not originally in um my plans. I thought I would go, you know, into ah like maybe teaching or something. And then um i kind of had this epiphany of like, wait, I can just I can teach and then some.
00:03:44
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And so I wanted a career that really spoke to my like level of ambition. And I kind of narrowed it down to, well, I'm studying psychology. i don't want to go to grad school for psychology because I don't oh want to become like a therapist or anything like that apologies to my cousin who was a psychologist um and i'm terrible at math so business school is out of the picture and blood makes me faint so med school is definitely a nope so that just left law school I went through it and here I am. And now that we are within the ah realm of law school, I want to talk a bit about Chuck's accomplishments since law school.
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He was a solo practitioner in Camden County since his bar admission in 1977. He opened his law in 1982 and handled thousands cases over four decades. and handle thousands of cases over four decades He tried more than 20 jury trials to a verdict and handled several appellate cases, three of them resulting in reported decisions which made new law in New Jersey.
00:04:47
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With all that going on in his legal practice, he constantly gave back. He was a former chancellor of the Rutgers Law School Canada Alumni Association and a fixture at ah law school meetings and events and a mentor so many.
00:05:01
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um Turning back to you, Judge Aksarod, what was Chuck like as a classmate? Huck was pretty much the same as a classmate. We met our first day law school.
00:05:12
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And... and We're talking August of 1974. I don't think either of you were even born then. um Right? they Am I right? Yeah. Okay.
00:05:26
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And, you know, I said he had long hair. He had a mustache at that time. um And he was a fireball. He really was a fireball. We were both active in student government.
00:05:39
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um Our third year, Chuck became um the SGA president. But we would use we would do the phone-a-thon together. I don't know if either of you ever did the phone-a-thon, where you'd call up um alums and try to get them to spend money, try to get them to contribute um to the law school.
00:05:59
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And I'd be sitting next to him, and I'd be following a script. you know, hello, I'm Fran Axelrod. I'm a, you know, we didn't say 1L, 2L. We would say I'm in my first year of law school, my second year of law school, and it's really great. And, um you know, i I see you graduated on so-and-so date. And, you know, it's really important to help, for you to help contributing towards the law school and the program. And I kind of fumped along a little bit, those kinds of things, hoping to get a donation. I'd tell them a little bit about myself or otherwise.
00:06:31
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Let me tell you about Chuck. Chuck would launch into an exuberant discussion of the law school's programs, of the school's needs, of everything you could possibly imaginegi imagine. And by the end of the call, he was that person's best friend.
00:06:50
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He had made that connection. He not only secured a sizable donation, but he signed up a new member of the Alumni Association. That was Chuck.
00:07:04
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oppressive its Impressive. Impressive. But on the other side, um the dean, and maybe I shouldn't say that, but um was not as...
00:07:18
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inclusive, not as understanding, not as um the type of deans that we have had in in the subsequent years, who really work with the students, ah who I really have been impressed with, and who really want the students to um do well that it's a reflection of the school. It was near, um but but you know, it was more, it you weren't treated as a professional. Let's say it like that. You weren't treated as a professional um and it wasn't as encouraging.
00:07:49
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And it was very much by the rule, by the book, every single thing. And there wasn't flexibility. um And Chuck and I were ah thorn in his side for three years. I started to say, Chuck, do you think we're going to graduate? Because we would we would go in there a lot on behalf of the students. um to to say, well, you know, but why can't we do this? And this isn't, it's not that it wasn't black and white, this is a gray area. Can't we have some flexibility with this? And why can't the student do an internship or an externship?
00:08:27
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And a little bit of flexibility on things. um But Chuck always had the kindest, kindest heart. Always always was looking out to help somebody.
00:08:39
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And he also was a good study partner. He was funny. um And we just developed that relationship you know from from the first day. oh
00:08:52
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that's That's it. that's that's where That's where we started and that's where we ended. And it's so inspirational that um both of you just stuck to your guns and um transcended that ah that That condescension, I guess, is the word I was thinking of when you were speaking, Judge.
00:09:15
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Good word. Good word. Thank you. Where it's so hard when you're, especially when you're when you're younger, when you're um just starting out to be taken seriously in that type of environment. And um people want to discredit you. They want to marginalize you. and um like I'm going to just say you know, it I honestly believe you both proved them wrong because look look at where you are now and look at where Chuck was at the end of his career, end of his life. It's truly a testament to your grit.
00:09:48
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um Thank you for sharing that. um I'd like to turn now to ah Laura Ann. um How did you first come to know Chuck? and Can you describe your relationship sense?
00:10:00
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So I met Chuck when I went to my first ah alumni board meeting for Rutgers-Camden Law School. um I can actually say when we first met, it theoretically, was my first meeting. um But pretty much as soon as we met, we became inseparable um for all Rutgers purposes. He became my mentor.
00:10:24
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He helped me study for the bar exam. And and he became my regular date. And when we went to Rutgers events for the students and for the alumni functions, we always sat next to each other. And he pulled very ah introverted soul along with him because Chuck was the ultimate extrovert.
00:10:50
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He was always ready to meet new people. So i was thankful to be able to kind of follow along like a little duckling behind him. He certainly was.
00:11:03
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sorry can Can I throw out that he adored Laura? He absolutely adored Laura. And when he talked about her, he just glowed. He was so proud of everything that she accomplished.
00:11:20
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And I adored him. Oh, we all did. In fact, Judge... in fact judge ah I think I might have told this to um Laura a few times, but he would always um ah he would always be when he talked about how ah you found out you passed the bar and when he swore you into the bar.
00:11:41
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um believe with the judge you were clerking with at the time. It was one of the judges I mediated for a lot because I was in mediation. And that judge was also a dear friend of Chuck's as well. am i correct? Yes. Yes, it was.
00:11:56
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So it was like a nice full circle moment for the three of you. Yeah, um it was just such a special moment. He was just as proud as my parents ah when I found out that I passed.
00:12:10
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So he made sure to make it a big deal. And then ever from ever since that moment, he actually would always want to know how my parents were, how my family was, because that was kind of just how Chuck was.
00:12:24
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like Once he met you and your family, he always remembered all the little details to make you feel like you really mattered. i mean, no matter whether you met him once or a hundred times, he always treated you like you were a friend, a true friend.
00:12:45
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He really did. i probably, um for me personally, I met Shuck over on the end of the 2010s as I was um getting involved in the um local board associations and the Rutgers alumni community at large.
00:13:02
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um We did the ah South Africa trip together with the rest of the alums. um My favorite memory is when he called me in May 2024 to tell me the Alumni Association had selected me to receive the recent graduate award, and he ended the call saying, and guess what? The best part is the ceremony is going to be on my birthday.
00:13:29
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And I had to take about a month to like digest what had happened. And then like, as the summer went by, i was like, we have to do something. Um, if so I have to do something for this occasion. He's just such a remarkable, um, individual in the community. Um, and he's going on his, and he's going on his birthday of, of all days. And, um,
00:13:55
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I just ah conspired in his words, not mine, with um some of our ah fellow alumni community to purchase a ah brick through the alumni foundation that we laid on the steps of the alumni house. And when I announced that he was receiving it in my speech, um he just lit up like everybody's just his jaw dropped and la but Judge, I think you even told me you felt like that was his lifetime achievement award.
00:14:26
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it It was. It absolutely was, because Chuck did things for people anonymously. He mentored. He donated.
00:14:39
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um He was so active in the bar association. um He gave of himself, and he didn't do it expecting to be patted on the back. And Rutgers, you know, he was Mr. Rutgers. Rutgers meant everything to him um from from our graduation, you know, forward. You know, we were chancellors. um You know, we got the Nardi Awards. um He he what he didn't create it. He didn't, you know look at me, look at me. um
00:15:10
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but But he appreciated it. He he he did. He just he appreciated it. And this was just the finals the final achievement. And when when you look at it, I mean, it it it's it's sad that it was the last achievement, the last achievement when when you look at his passing. But...
00:15:30
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Thank God. I say kind of thank God that he that he got to to to see that, to see that. You know, we we joked with him. We joked with—every year I would joke with him about the um awards dinner.
00:15:43
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Chuck, are you going to give the same speech about how you and I started the Armitage Award? And Chuck, keep it short, keep it short, short, short, short and short. And of course we joked about him being short. But, you know, all those kind of things. I mean, Chuck liked to talk. He did. He loved to talk. he he That was him. But he wasn't talking about himself. He just, he he got into it. He loved it.
00:16:08
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um But this was just a recognition that other people really cared about him. And it just warmed his heart.
00:16:19
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It just warmed his heart. It definitely did. In fact, Judge, you might have answered unintentionally my next question, which was, how is ah Chuck such an esteemed member of ah the Rutgers Law community? And Laura Ann, feel free to jump in.
00:16:42
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Well, I mean, he he did he did everything. He he did everything. you know we We started, you know as I said, um he was SGA president um his third year of law school. um we became chant I became a chancellor. He became a chancellor. Together, we i feel like I went through the journey with him, but he was so much more involved than I was. um than The Nardia, we started the Armitage Award together. um He attended every single um meeting, every single dinner, every single award.
00:17:21
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um We were on the the DAC committee together, um but but he did far more than that. You know, every single um alum who got an award anywhere, he would go up, he'd drive up, he'd drive to Newark, he'd drive to New Brunswick um to to go and be there as as someone representing Rutgers.
00:17:45
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um This is just who he was. He was so proud, so proud um to be a Rutgers alum. I mean, that and Bucknell. But um but Rutgers recordfords was really, he was just so proud of it, really was. um He mentored um so so many students, so many students. um And just, he, you know, again, didn't make a big deal about it. He mentored a lot of um young lawyers, too, um when he passed away.
00:18:17
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At the Bar Association meetings, I would have dinners. I would have so many attorneys come up to me and and say that, um you know, he made such a difference in my life. You know, he kind of took me under his wing.
00:18:31
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um And that's, you know, what Chuck did. um he did He did that with with so many different people. But I know Rutgers, he just... did Did that with everybody.
00:18:43
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a Laura? Yes, it's so true. He was so involved in everything. With the alumni board, we kind of called him our informal historian because he also saved all of the meeting minutes, every report, just absolutely everything to the point where I'm pretty sure he brought um ah multiple bankers' boxes worth of documents to the law school.
00:19:11
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so that we could kind of just paw through and see what he had saved from the very beginning of when he had joined the Alumni Association when he graduated. And it was riveting to see um how much he had retained For good and for bad, because I don't know if he needed all those many meeting minutes. He threw nothing away. Nothing away. i In fact, um you know, I was thinking of Alicia, poor Alicia, having to go through the office because, you know, I helped him move when he when he was moving the office. He had shared space um in in my husband's um office. You know, he and and Barry and Elliot um had suites together. My husband's Barry.
00:20:00
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um Rosenberg and he met Chuck the first day of school also. met Barry at Law School and um he he just had so much paper. and He had so much much paper from so many committees and everything else and we would tease him and of course when they moved offices so about five years ago um we sold the building and we just carried boxes and boxes and boxes of things. I kept, and look, I tend to, you know, it's that generation. i still have file cabinets and things like that. And my kids laugh at me, but I kept saying, Chuck, no one else wants to look at this. The younger kids aren't going to look at this. And he goes, but it's historical. It's historical.
00:20:47
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and And I chaired a number of committees too. And I know that, you know, I have ah had a lot of that stuff too. And I'm thinking, The younger generation doesn't want to look at this stuff. But yeah, he carted it from place to place to place.
00:21:04
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I think that's how it ended up at the ah law school is he carted it finally to the law school, hoping that they would be very excited to receive all those pieces of paper.
00:21:14
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um
00:21:17
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four hours For our listeners and the viewers, um ah Judge Axelrod mentioned to Alicia. She is Chuck's daughter. yeah And I was there at Alicia's birth and her bat mitzvah and her wedding. And yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. well All good family things and and funerals to one for, you know, family funerals, etc. But it just speaks to what a um important person you were to not just to Chuck, but to his family.
00:21:48
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And um Judge, you also mentioned a mentorship. My next question was, in fact, what can people learn from Chuck's philosophy about mentorship?
00:22:00
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and And why is that important? um I also the same question to you as well, Laura Ann. I think Laura should do that. I think Laura should answer that first as as a mentee.
00:22:11
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Yes. um So I feel like Chuck's philosophy with mentorship was... It shouldn't be unique, but I feel like it ended up being unique, which was that no matter your age, you could always mentor and be mentored.
00:22:28
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um So when we met, he took me under his wing as a mentor to me. And there was a viewpoint of he could help me learn, but I could also teach him something. And i feel like that's the part that's unique. Normally you look at the mentor mentee relationship and it is very much but the more experienced person is mentoring you and you just take in all of that mentorship and just try to improve yourself.
00:23:04
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His viewpoint was he could always learn something from the younger generation. And then once you've developed further, You need to go and become mentor yourself.
00:23:18
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So that it just keeps keeps the process going. You're never stagnant in your mentor-mentee relationship. It's always evolving. um I feel like a lot of times you think of a mentorship experience as ending after a period of time.
00:23:37
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I met Chuck at least back in 2011 and I still call him my mentor. And... that I don't see that as ever changing because even though he's not here, I'm still going to think of him fondly and think of many moments where I know he would be like, what are you thinking?
00:23:57
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What are you doing here? Mixed with, because I am slightly introverted, um reminding me to go out and meet new people, interact with everyone because part of mentorship is going out being a mentor to others and evolving and learning and meeting new people and just keeping that process going.
00:24:23
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And he mentored so many. um It wasn't a single mentorship experience. There are so many people that he mentored over the years.
00:24:35
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And he was always on the hunt for that next mentee experience. um because it didn't need to be a young alumni like I was when we met. um It could be a first year law student. It could be somebody that's interested in going to law school.
00:24:51
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He even had, because he had a scholarship at his high school, her he even mentored one of the scholarship recipients that was just graduating high school. And he mentored her for a number of years as well.
00:25:06
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So it was constantly evolving.
00:25:12
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Absolutely. um Judge, any thoughts? I couldn't say it any better. And and the way Laura said it just crystallized the philosophy. I mean, i I adopt that philosophy also that yeah you
00:25:29
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we get as much out of mentoring As you do. i mean, we learn from you as much as you learn from us. And and the hope is that we just continue to pass on and pass on and you pass it on and all all those kind of things.
00:25:48
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um And I know... Chuck was very lucky, as as was I, when we first started working, um when we graduated law school, we worked for small firms. um I know when he worked with ah larryo the Lario and Nardi firm, um Judge Lario and Judge Nardi, who were just amazing, amazing mentors, um they instilled that entire process.
00:26:15
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philosophy in him, and they were just wonderful, wonderful role models. um I had similar experiences, um and he cap he carried that forward every every way. But it is so true that you know we we mentor ah we get as much from you. And again, we want you to continue mentoring and he's going to be on your shoulder all the time. I mean, I will still go to do something. And I'm thinking, Hmm, what would Chuck do in that instance? Or, or I joke about it. Okay, Chuck, you know, well, yeah, but, but that's, that's it.
00:26:53
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Um, but, but there are so many people who he reached, who he mentored, who he, he, spoke with, who he followed up with or did things with, we'll we'll never even know.
00:27:08
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We'll never even know. No, absolutely. um And he and I definitely shared some mutual mentorship um philosophy, especially when it came to shared experience, which I think is very important um as women, as minorities, as individuals with um shared backgrounds of faith. There's nothing more meaningful than having somebody in your corner who looks like you is experienced the same things like you.
00:27:43
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um but what I think made Chuck special was that he didn't care what you look like. He didn't care, um, what your faith was. Um, he just wanted, uh, to be your mentor.
00:27:56
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Um, if it is simply put, um, And can you um take a moment and share some favorite memories that you have about Chuck?
00:28:08
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um Well, Chuck loved to celebrate his birthday. I mean, you couldn't miss his birthday. You had to send an email. And, that you know, and. um
00:28:24
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You know,
00:28:28
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His birthday was very special. He was planning his 75th. I mean, planning and planning and and planning his 75th. I know it was really hard for, particularly hard for um his sister Sandy and his daughter Alicia this year um be because he hadn't been planning it planning and planning his 75th.
00:28:52
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You know, we celebrated it in in our hearts. and I'm sure everybody did. But... um you know I feel like, though, that was also something that showed you who Chuck was, because it was my understanding that it was supposed to be a surprise 75th birthday roast, except he was planning it, so I'm not sure who he was surprising. Right.
00:29:15
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Not himself, obviously. Right, right. But but what was what's also remarkable to me, and and as well as i think I knew Chuck, is When, when at at the funeral, when Jimmy read the obituary, the chart had written for himself, but that, that, that shocked me. I mean, first of all, I was trying to think back and, and I, you know, I asked Jimmy, I says, that's something that he wrote recently, kind of in the, maybe even in the past year when he had gotten not the diagnosis, but had been having some medical issues.
00:29:52
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You know, that, of course, he wrote the about to everybody. And I kept saying, Chuck, too much information, TMI, TMI. But um he said, no, he actually, you know, had been working on it for a while. um he He just wanted to be able to, and, you know of course, he updated certain things and otherwise. i I just think that's an amazing thing.
00:30:17
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amazing thing to be able to do. Just, just, come me i know't I don't, I don't know if I could, I don't think I could do it. um I just think it's an amazing thing to be able, and it was funny.
00:30:29
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it was tongue in cheek. It was poignant. um It was heartwarming. um Really was. And that's just who Chuck was.
00:30:42
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But also the fact that he had to have the last word. Correct. at the DAC, where he would always have to be the last speaker. He would have to see everyone provide some last minute quips.
00:30:56
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Not that we counted how many jokes he would tell over the course of the night. Because you couldn't. They were too many. ye um But he always made it a point that he had to have the very last word.
00:31:10
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You did indeed. And i think I may have touched upon this um earlier and I just have like a couple questions um left in this podcast.
00:31:20
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But my next one was, how is Chuck's support for students and young lawyers unique? I'll
00:31:30
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i'll go first. um but So I think the part that made it unique was the fact that it never stopped. A lot of times, With alumni, it is a point in time experience where they are giving back to um to students or it is something that they do when they first graduate and then life happens and things change and they have different priorities.
00:32:02
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Or as they retire, they come back to the law school. Chuck was consistent from the moment that he graduated, it sounds like, from hearing Judge Axelrod to the very end of his life. He was consistently giving back to the students and young alumni, making them feel like they were heard, that the Alumni Association and older attorneys are not something to fear.
00:32:35
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we are here to help and foster that transition from law student to lawyer.
00:32:48
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Absolutely. Um, and because of that, Laura Ann, um, why is it important for, uh, ah When I say you, I mean us um us collectively as alumni. Why is it important for you to give back to the law school and stay engaged?
00:33:12
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I think it's really important to continue Chuck's work um because you can see a difference of the involvement of student of law students that have truly interacted with the Alumni Association and Chuck specifically and how they evolve as attorneys and become active members of our association and continue that process of giving back.
00:33:45
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um Not to say that we don't have students that become alumni and eventually find us, but Starting that um interaction early makes a huge difference. And so for me, it's a partially in honor of Chuck, but it's also partially because you can see how much a difference it makes and It's important to give back to our alumni community because, is a and our students, it's a constant interaction. And I feel like I learned so much and I stay so current in not just the law, the legal profession, but also in current events by staying engaged with the law students.
00:34:39
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It truly is um a pipeline, if you will. Thank you. That's the word I was looking for. Right. to um ah To um simplify it, if...
00:34:53
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um if you will if you will. And that isn't me necessarily trying to oversimplify the amazing work that our alumni ah community does, but it certainly provides a pipeline to of allowing access to um our young alumni our community, our established alumni community. um i can honestly say, I'm and lo and judge oxford you know both know where i'm coming from with this um i would not have
00:35:28
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been able to a connect with such esteemed members were it not for both of you, but also for for Chuck. I mean, he really was the conduit. And I feel like my new mission as a mentor is, you know, we we all need to be the Chucks now in our in our community as best we can, because he really was the spark, connection.
00:35:54
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he really was the the spark the connection what have you. um But at the same time, I'm more emboldened with his ah loss to continue that work he did.
00:36:07
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So um in closing, I'd like to ask both of you, what do you believe are some key ways we as a community can remember and pay tribute to Chuck and his legacy?
00:36:23
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We'll continue to do good. i'm Continue to mentor well Uphold the practice of law, ah the respect for the practice of law.
00:36:37
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um but Treat people with dignity.
00:36:45
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Be a good friend. So I agree completely. um It's um I think the best way to remember him is to continue to mentor and show up.
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A huge aspect of Chuck was that he showed up for every single event um because you make the students feel seen because you go to their event, no matter how big or small, being there.
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um And focusing on being a good person, looking for the good in others and yeah ensuring that we can create good change and make sure that we have great people in the room and get those connections so that you can have students meet judges and it not be scary.
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It's here's my friend that's a student, here's my friend that's a judge, let's have them meet.
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Exactly. Well, I'd like to thank you both for ah joining me this afternoon. Are there any e um final thoughts you'd like to add before we go? Yes.
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Well, although um I shouldn't say what was discussed in the DAC meeting when you were given the recent graduate award, that Chuck was honored to present your name and said, Jonathan, he said wonderful, wonderful things about you. He was so proud of you also and just felt that you were a shining star, which you are.
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And he really loved you from the bottom of his heart.
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So I just wanted to share that. and And thank you for honoring him with the podcast and with everything you've done. isn't Wow. That was the first time I ever heard that in my life. Thank you, Judge.
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Laura Ann?
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I think with Chuck, it's...
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Chuck was thoroughly focused on ensuring that you knew Friends can't friends could become family and the Alumni Association and all of our alums and students are friends waiting to happen, mentors and mentees waiting to happen.
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And we should try to continue his thought process and keep evolving our Alumni Association and just generally move in the method of friends waiting to happen.
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Because to him, there was nothing more important than his family and his friends.
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Indeed. Well,
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