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Welcome to Season 3!
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SUMMARY
We’re back!!! Join Bevin and Mike in this exciting Season 3 premiere episode of Dirty Money with Bevin and Mike! Today, they reunite in DC for some real-life catch-up and fun conversations. From exploring the intersection of money and kink to delving into holistic retreats and financial activism, this episode sets the tone for a season packed with amazing discussions and personal insights. Get ready to dive deep into financial therapy, entrepreneurship, community building, and more!
TOPICS
[0:55] Catching up with Bevin and Mike
[22:45] What’s Next for Bevin
[33:55] Existing Under Capitalism and Resistance
[44:55] The Importance of Intent and Vision
[56:55] Accessibility and Soft Life Goals
[1:07:55] Building Community and Seeking Support
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CONTACT INFO
Bevin Morgan:
Instagram: @bevinmorgan & @temple_eanna
Website: www.templeeanna.com & BevinMorgan.com
Mike Poulin:
Instagram: @mjpou56
Dirty Money Podcast:
Instagram: @dirtymoney_podcast
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Transcript
Introduction to Dirty Money Podcast
00:00:10
Speaker
Welcome to Dirty Money with Bevin. And Mike. A space to talk about financial topics for folks who don't fit into traditional financial spaces. We believe money is a tool for everyone. Our mission is to provide a literal microphone and platform for queer, BIPOC, polyamorous, and sex-positive individuals. No topic is off the table here.
00:00:31
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That being said, one tiny little housekeeping note. For those listening who may have others with sensitive ears, the listener discretion is advised because we do not censor ourselves. That's right. You've been warned, but enough from us. Let's get this episode started. Welcome back to Dirty Money.
00:00:57
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Hello everybody. This looks and probably sounds a little different than you're used to. If you are not watching us, we are currently coming to you live from my couch. Welcome to DC, Bevin. Thank you. It's going to be here. It's been a little while since I've been in our capital city. I think it was the last time you were here was for
00:01:26
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the DC opening or we had something, cause you came to brunch for work. Yeah. And I don't remember when that, I don't either with some, I think we had our reopening party or something. I don't remember because I never went to that gym. So this is a new concept too. Like I'm talking to you, but also like our guests. So like we don't, we,
00:01:53
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It's, this is great. I have, it looks like we have a little bit more of a budget, but we don't. Welcome to season three.
Season 3 Excitement and Guest Lineup
00:02:03
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If you guys have been listening to us, watching us, we appreciate you. And yeah, we're just excited to kick off our third season. Yeah, I'm excited. And the thing that I think is so cool about this season is that we already have like almost all of our guest books.
00:02:27
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and like some really like some big like heavy hitters you got some cool people coming up this season yes i am very excited i mean i'm always excited about our guests i think that the the podcast is doing its thing uh it's been a really incredible adventure so far
00:02:50
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the, for those of you that remember me manifesting wanting a cute little studio with a cute little couch that we just come and sit. This is it. We're doing it.
Bevin's DC Visit and Kink Conference
00:03:03
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Tell the people, Bevin, why you're in DC. I will. So I have come to DC.
00:03:11
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because I will soon be going to Baltimore, so you know, I'm in the DMV area. But today I will be going to the New England Conference of Kink Conference, I guess. And I will be hosting a panel of S-types and talking about what it means to be a submissive or a masochist or a little or a brat or whatever you are that falls under that category.
00:03:37
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And, um, tomorrow I will be doing a presentation about how to make your finances submit to you. Oh yeah. So I think I call it like mastering your money, make your finances submit. Love that. So it's really, it's about like the mindset of money, but you know, there really are some overlaps between like your shadow side and like kink and how money works. So I'm tying all of those things together. And then finally, I will be.
00:04:06
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I mean we're recording this Well, but you know what I heard from a friend so from Jax one of our past guests who lives in DC she said that She's had some of her best scenes at the fetish ball, which is happening tomorrow Okay, and so apparently like fetish ball is the reason that people come to talk
00:04:37
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And so the last thing I'm going to say, like the other reason that I'm here is because I finally want to get tied up. Like
Exploring Shibari and Kink Dynamics
00:04:44
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that's this weekend, like it's going to happen. Yeah. Yeah. That's so funny. You should bring that up. I just went to a shibari class, like how to learn. And we're actually going to probably have.
00:05:00
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that person on the podcast. I need to reach out to them. But they are an incredible human that I got to meet and network with. It was a free event. I got to learn how to tie myself up. So I've been practicing. I actually just bought some more rope. So that's been quite a fun little adventure that I've been going on the last month or so. So
00:05:24
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Yeah, really exciting because yes, I have been tied up. It's been a great, it was a great experience. And I just think it's really beautiful too. It's a way to be creative. It's almost like, it's like a kinky knitting, right? Like, because if you're doing self-tying, you're just kind of there and you're just kind of doing the thing. It's the same thing as if you just had needles and you're, you know, making
00:05:54
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You know, I love that you said that though, because I've been in this season of like, I need a tactile hobby. Like I want somebody to do it with my hands. I used to knit. I was really bad at it. So maybe this is what the universe has been like pulling me toward. Maybe I need to learn how to do it. Yeah. It's really, there were some much more seasoned people there.
00:06:24
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a really fun experience. And so like, while the instructor was helping us newbies kind of like understand a single and a double, there's another name for it, I forget. And the more seasoned people just sat down and just started like tying themselves up and doing all these cool patterns and different things.
00:06:51
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Yeah. So they were just going to town. I'm like, I'm like learning this one thing and I look up and they're like, they have their whole body just in these beautiful knots. So it's actually really funny. Um, I was nervous because
00:07:11
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As a kid, I had a very hard time understanding how to tie my shoes. Like the concept of tying knots and because my brain sometimes flips things. And so I was super nervous going into the class because I'm like, I'm going to feel stupid.
00:07:35
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I didn't feel stupid. I still, there are a few things that I have to, I have to do the knots a few extra times sometimes because I'm still the like mental, like I have to watch them do it and then I have to try it myself. But then if I don't keep trying it, I might do it backwards. So there's still a little bit of that.
00:07:59
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And I knew that going in, uh, but it's been a good experience to kind of like work through that. So, you know, that's also one, thank you for acknowledging and being like, my brain works, you know, a little bit differently sometimes. And that's okay. And then also just the idea that like, when you're learning anything new, you might feel dumb. And that is also okay. That is part of it. I love that.
00:08:26
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So yeah, Rope's been a fun little adventure. It's funny though, because when I talk to people about it, like, oh, I took this Shabari class. I'm learning Shabari. If they're kinky, they're usually like, ooh, tie me up. And I'm like, not there yet.
00:08:47
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yet completely tying myself up. So we'll get there maybe. I'm definitely, if you guys remember from our season one wrap up, I think is when we did the BDSM tests. Oh yeah. That, I'm definitely much more of a broke bunny. Like I enjoy being tied up, but I think there's something to say about also understanding how to do it yourself.
00:09:16
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It's kind of like the best is like, it's, it kind of goes along with like, you know, the best leaders are really great followers and the best doms are also good subs. You know what I mean? Like it kind of goes with the, like, if you learn how to do it, you also will kind of, I think, appreciate it more.
00:09:39
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Well, it's kind of about just like having that compassion for the other side, right? Just like understanding your perspective. Yeah. It's so interesting that you bring this up though, because I'm literally take like, I've been going through this like DS summit online for the past several days. I wish I could remember, it's called like Dom sub living. I think we actually literally go like Dom sub living dot net or dot com.
00:10:06
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There's a lot of stuff. We'll put it in the show. We'll put it in the show. But that being said, it was a completely free online DS summit thing. Like a lot of really cool people, like Midori, Luna Matatus. She, of course, I'm going to forget her name right now, even though we're like very good friends.
00:10:29
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Marla Stewart. There we go. Velvet Lips. Who's also going to be on our podcast this evening. Who's also going to be on our podcast. Yeah, I think we talked for like next week. So like a lot of really cool people were doing workshops in this summit and there was a super thriving like community space. There's like people talking back and forth with each other. Today somebody posted a thing. I kind of like on the one hand I thought it was kind of hilarious. It was just so dramatic. But basically it was this Dom who was like,
00:10:59
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I failed as a Dom. I'm giving up my like Dom status. I've had this one sub who's so lovely and I'm releasing her back into the community, all this kind of stuff. And so I read through the whole post and pretty much what it came down to was he was like, so they were long distance and he was assigning her like journaling and writing tasks and all this stuff. And she hated it. She was just like rebelling against it. She said she felt,
00:11:27
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a sense of dread every time she fell in chains, like right one of these germline entries. And I sat back and thought about it and was like, did they even have a conversation about what she felt like she needed to like improve on her learning style, you know, these types of things. And so to your point, I feel like if he had ever put himself in a place of being like submissive to somebody else, it would have been really easy to understand like maybe these are conversations we should be having.
00:11:57
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For sure, yeah. Yeah, that's, I mean, it definitely, I think that that also goes along the line of our, I feel like what we do as coaches. Exactly. Like, I just, it's like, there are so many different learning styles. There's so many different ways that people can, there's a saying that I have from college.
00:12:25
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said there's something two ways to skin a cat. You know, like PETA don't come after me. We're not, it's a figurative, but there are just so many ways to do the same thing. Right. And so understanding that when you're in a position of, you know, because a Dom sub relationship, when you come down to it is a little bit of a leader follower.
00:12:55
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caregiver, caretaker, depending on the vibe and the, you know, the, what you both are trying to get out of it. So it falls into that of like knowing that, Hey, like my sub may not think or do things the same way that I do. Right. And I think that that's not necessarily a failing on the part of the, the Dom, I think it's more of a data
00:13:24
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opportunity for growth. Yes, for sure. And as I said, I just, I found his post so dramatic.
00:13:35
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to add another fake Dom to like money the waters. Oh, so there's imposter syndrome growing on. Oh, that's exactly what that is. Yeah. Yeah. Which is so like, I feel bad for this guy, honestly, because apparently he's been in the scene for 10 plus years. And I guess at one point felt like very, like, call himself a trainer, I was like training other doms. And now for whatever reason, this one
00:14:02
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I think it's just kind of throwing him off the rails, which sucks. I feel like that's part of life, right? These things happen. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, it sounds a little bit like imposter syndrome. Maybe it's not a good fit for the Dansa relationship, which is also valid and doesn't mean you're a failure.
00:14:26
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so huh interesting well i hope that that person wherever they are realizes that they're not a failure maybe they'll send this podcast maybe they don't i don't know yeah well you know this is what i'll do i'll go like through the whole community and just really like promote the podcast
00:14:55
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funny we should bring up the whole, we're on this like Dom sub conversation, which I feel like in the queer community, the male queer community, a lot of times there's this
00:15:19
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And if you're a sub, you're a bottom. It's kind of like that's, I feel like it's probably because the majority of people are that way. But what's funny is in my, what I've kind of been exploring is I tend to be more submissive, but it,
00:15:43
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it's not aligning with the other aspect of that kind of assumption. So I tend to top more. So I may, I've been calling myself like a submissive service top. So like, I really enjoy when someone is more dominant, but also more at the bottom, which they do exist.
00:16:10
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But I think that brings up a good realization that just because it's the assumption doesn't mean it's correct. And I don't know if you have experienced that. I feel like it could be similar with men and women dynamic too, because the woman may be more dominant just because that also,
00:16:43
Speaker
Right. And it's like, I feel like you, you might experience this too, where, or you might see it, but I feel like that, that kind of like role of like, well, you're the man, so you need to be dominant and you have the dick. So like, you're the one that's in charge, but it's like, that's not always the case. So it's just been an interesting, for me, it's kind of been,
00:17:10
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kind of working through that of like, what am I? What do I enjoy? And realizing that I may not fit into what is considered like the norm story of my life. Right. Well, I mean, like we had a similar conversation since before where, and I can't remember exactly what we were talking about, but you mentioned like, as somebody who's queer,
00:17:41
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the mold, it's made it easier for you to throw away the mold in like other areas. And I think that's just an important lesson for everybody all the time. It's if we could really throw away this concept of how everybody does it, what the parameters are, the norm, whatever, and just start from like a real questioning of self
00:18:07
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what do I like? What do I want? Then all of a sudden, you know, like some of that angst can go away and we can actually get what we like and want. Right. Because that's the thing, right? It's like when you bring two people together, regardless of if one is more dominant or more submissive, at the end of the day, you're both complex human beings. So there's going to be times when like your Dom wants to like, you know, rest their head on your shoulder and just like,
00:18:38
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or vice versa. Like maybe the stuff is like, I want to jump on top of you. It's like, I don't know. But it's like, as long as you create parameters that work for the two people or the three people or however many people in the dynamic, fantastic. I also, for me, what I have found, I definitely identify with the term switch. For me, a lot of times it's, I feed off the vibe of the other person.
00:19:08
Speaker
Uh, whether that be physically, so size difference, personality, how we vibe things that we're both into that for me, a lot of times we'll adjust kind of like fire in terms of like what I'm wanting to do with that person. Right. So like my partner is taller than me, weighs more than me. He tends to be.
00:19:38
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He tends to be more submissive, typically, and is more of a bottom. But a lot of times when I'm with him, I just am like, I just, I just say I get super savvy. I'm just like, I don't, it's like the height, it's the, but it's not just his height, it's his presence, it's his personality. You know, but there are days that that vibe is switched.
00:20:05
Speaker
But when I've met other guys, if they're smaller than me, younger, a lot of times I will, I will switch that. And it's like, it really for me depends on the person and like our connection and like how we're both kind of like what we both want out of it. I hear that. Yeah. And like, honestly, I think of most people are being honest with themselves. I think that's,
00:20:33
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typically the case. And that's the thing, I'll even say that as somebody who I have said out loud and shout out through the times, I'm a sub all the time.
Costa Rica Retreat and Learning Opportunities
00:20:42
Speaker
Right. Like, especially if I'm with like a small woman, I just, I have a dominant personality and I tend to just kind of. Right. And that's not to say that like, I don't like being submissive with women because I do. But it's one of those things where
00:21:02
Speaker
I think the patriarchy is like, it's a lot easier to find women who are in submissive energy. And because I am like, I can be a dominant personality, like in my real life. This is the thing too. Okay. This is kind of an aside, but here's the thing. Here we go. So like what I have noticed, women don't know how to make a, make the move. Like we're not societally trained to do that.
00:21:27
Speaker
so frustrating so it's like and if you are you're seen as pushy or bitch or right like or two or a whore so that's the thing that's like one with other women I'm like fuck it like I need I have to make the first move and I feel like whoever makes the first move is automatically like the Dom interesting I think
00:21:58
Speaker
That's very interesting. There was something I wanted to go back to and I can't remember. So we're just gonna move on. It's fine. What outside of this convention that is happening, what other things are on the horizon for you? Well, as you may know, on Sunday, I will be traveling to Costa Rica.
00:22:26
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And I'm really excited because I'm going there to the Eros, like holistic retreat, which is owned by Amina Peterson, who is the owner of ATL Tantra. Okay. Yes. So, um, once again,
00:22:44
Speaker
that's interesting is that she is moving her retreat center from Costa Rica to Panama. So this is going to be like the last thing there. Yeah. I've never been, I have no idea what to expect, but I'm excited because it's a residency. So I will be providing bookkeeping and or business coaching fall in there. I guess for her or for other people, I don't know. We'll see. Figure it out. We'll figure it out.
00:23:11
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But then like the last few days that I'm there, she's holding, I guess her last retreat in that space. And so I will be getting some sort of like relationship, tantra, whatever she wants to teach, I will learn. And then I will be in coach room for a few weeks. That's incredible. I'm excited. That's so great.
00:23:38
Speaker
This sounds like a bartering, basically. You're there to help, but then you're also going to gain from being there.
Financial Education and Trauma
00:23:48
Speaker
That's great. Yeah. Well, it was one of those things where like she sent out an email to her email list. She was providing five spaces for this residency and I'm in the very privileged position right now of, you know, building this business so I don't have like an office that I have to go
00:24:16
Speaker
Literally, you're like, Republicans' worst maker. A black woman with freedom? A queer black woman with severely independent, no kids, no husband. Right? I'm just like out of the world, like, whatever I feel like. Yeah, exactly. And I haven't traveled to a workplace. Like, what can't I do?
00:24:47
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Excuse me, there's a two free woman out here. Sit her down. Oh, the Karens of the world are shaking with their Stanley cups and their... We're not gonna come for the Stanley cups, okay? Don't come for me in the comments. It's okay, no one comments on our things anyway. We love a self-read.
00:25:17
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That's incredible. And you're well into trauma of money. I am. So it's a 13 week course. I think next week will be class six. It is freaking amazing. Like I was saying to our guests earlier, um, I think trauma of money is like required reading. I would love it if everybody in the world went through it because it
00:25:45
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to the point that you were making, it speaks not only to your individual trauma and understanding of money, but it really does take a systemic view of how our society sets money up so that we all become traumatized. So it's like literally, oops, our system, like capitalism
00:26:08
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It doesn't allow us to be like actual human beings. Right. So, um, because we are all forced into creating income to survive, like our control is taken away. That is like the definition of trauma. Correct. So, um, yeah, it's been tough. I thought it was 17 weeks. Is it 17 weeks? I think so.
00:26:34
Speaker
Because I priced it out with the early bird is like, it ends up being like $100 a week. And it's what, two classes a week? No. So it's one class a week, but each class is three hours long. And then they have like affinity groups. Oh, that's what I'm picking up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So the, when I, when I priced it out per hour per price,
00:27:04
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like four times as much. Right. So yeah, I am, I am on the email list to take it in the fall. So yeah, I know it was super, I'm, I can't wait. So it's, it's amazing. Um, it has really made me think a lot about how I deal with money. And one of the things that I realized, even as like a financial coach as somebody who, um, tries to help her
00:27:39
Speaker
avoidant of money. And I, yeah, and so until recently, I was very much this like, money isn't real, fuck capitalism, throw it all away, which I still feel, right? And I really recognize like, okay, but this is also the system that I must work within. And so I've really been able to kind of like, piece together those two things at the same time.
00:28:07
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I don't know why this reminded me of it, but yesterday, yesterday or the day before, I was out and about in DC and where was I? Somewhere, I was somewhere in the sky was talking to this older black gentleman who was talking to somebody else. He was yelling about how trying to explain to them that he quoted, he was like,
00:28:37
Speaker
if you pay your credit cards in full on time, they'll actually lower your credit score. And I just, I was doing something, I was kind of like on the go, so I could, I was just, the misinformation out there, he was talking about, he was like, yeah, so you know, if you pay that in full, they don't make money off of you because they're not making interest, so they're actually gonna lower your credit score, I was like,
00:29:06
Speaker
That's actually a myth. And you're like, that's an interesting theory. I feel that. But I'm willing to bet that what's happening is that you are, you are paying your, you probably have a low credit limit. And so you're charging it up. And when the statement gets cut, you're showing a very
00:29:31
Speaker
low availability, that's what's hurting your credit score. Not the fact that you are then, because this happens to my clients all the time. They pay, they pay off their balance in full, but month after month, they're like, my credit score isn't going up. I'm like, okay, well, payments are on time. Great. Let's look at other situations. Do you have any cards that aren't being paid on time?
00:29:55
Speaker
No, so let's look at that card. What is the situation having with that card? And this is something I've talked about on my Instagram as well. It's like the difference between your payment date and your statement date. That is key to understanding the game. And so this, I think this is where I was coming. This is why I was thinking about this is because it's like you need to understand the game to make it fit your life. And so I wanted to talk to that guy. Like I wanted to just, and I was like,
00:30:24
Speaker
this isn't the battle as much as I could win this battle there's also wisdom in knowing that I just it's not not today right not today so there's still it's just wild that there's so much misinformation out there still um I wish I could say plain I wish I could blame tick-tock but I don't think this
00:30:54
Speaker
So that's just generations of, and you know, that could have, to be honest, that could have been a thing back in the 80s or 90s, I don't know. But today, it's not, that's not a thing. Like, they want, yes, they might tell you that you need to keep a balance, but that's not gonna affect your score. It is gonna help them make money.
00:31:19
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But the reality is as long as you pay on time and you keep your organization low, you're seen as not a risk.
Financial Activism and Historical Protests
00:31:26
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And then your score is going to go up. And so they can give you more credit because you're not going to just like, you know. Well, so I love what you said though, about this idea of playing the game. And this is personal to me, but I hope somebody else hears this as well. Cause like something has clicked for me.
00:31:46
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I am the type of person who like, I hate arbitrary rules and I hate anything that feels like illogical or, you know, something that we have to do just cause we've always done it that way. And so I realized I've got like a teenage rebellious side that is like, Oh, if this doesn't make logical sense to me, like it, I'm going to ignore it. And I think there are probably other people who are just like, capitalism is arbitrary. I hate it.
00:32:15
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like credit scores are stupid. I'm going to ignore them. And so they do things that are kind of counterproductive to their financial health. Right. Because it's just like, I don't, I hate this system. I'm watching my hands of it. And unfortunately, we just do not have that luxury. Right. We just don't. Yep. I mean, I just like needed to say that. Yeah, I think, you know,
00:32:40
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There is, you know, I guess that's also kind of a form of protest. If you want to think of it, it's detrimental to your own. Exactly. Yeah. But you know, for some people, martyrdom is a thing. They might feel that way. Like I'm saying, fuck the system, even if it fucks me over. And that's the thing, like it is a traumatic response. And it's like, yes,
00:33:07
Speaker
you can choose to be a martyr and yes that is your choice and if you're hurting yourself it is it's not a good trade-off. Yeah it's kind of a thing that I've been seeing a lot because of everything that's happening in and around our world and what our government is funding. I'm seeing a lot of people and at the time of this recording
00:33:38
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I'm seeing a lot of, what's the term, war tax protest. So people, this idea of not filing your taxes so that the government does not have the money to fund war, which is what I've, it's been really interesting to kind of read. I've been doing a lot of reading about it because I don't know a lot about it.
00:34:09
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I heard it was, I didn't realize this, apparently it was pretty big in 2020 during the Black Lives Matter protests, the different social justice things that were happening at that time. But I'm just now kind of seeing it.
00:34:39
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and the disconnect, right. So I think it's valid. I would love to not pay taxes. I would love for my money. I've been saying this for years, personally. I don't have an issue with taxes. I have an issue with the way that we use our money as a country. I think that we have Citizens United to plan for that. It's a multi-level
00:35:09
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highly difficult situation to navigate. And it's hard, it's like one of those things where it's hard to individually change things, right? This feeling of like, I can't do anything. But then once again, it's like, it goes back to playing in the system, right? It's like,
00:35:34
Speaker
the people that if you have a if you have a regular nine to five job it's really hard for you to participate in that war tax protest i think i'm saying the name right because they're taking your taxes out throughout the year yeah like you've already paid your taxes right so it's hard like you can adjust you can moving forward you can adjust how much you're giving
00:36:13
Speaker
or you are part of the gig economy, you have a much more realistic way of being able to do that. There's implications with that, right? There are real world implications with that and so understanding that they can garnish your wages. The IRS can, I was reading somewhere that they, yes, they technically can foreclose on your house or repossess your
00:36:54
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No, but it's also. Also, if you think about how many years, how many times people file taxes or not file taxes and multiply that by how many people that are in the US, that's a very small. The percentage is there that they could do it, but have they done it? Well, I mean, I feel like right now they have so few.
00:37:19
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Like they have no resources. So that would be a challenge for them. Here's my thing though. I feel like we have an opportunity as angry citizens to work on our organizational skills. Just because you've seen some TikToks about it doesn't mean there's a critical mass of people doing this thing to actually make a difference. And I crave
00:37:49
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the movement that like is so thought out and focused that it literally does make a difference. And so, you know, I think the thing that people think of, or at least the thing that I think about when I think of like useful protests is a civil rights movement. I call it the world's
00:38:15
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like visible and tactile campaign. And so I mean, just like there were there are multiple facets of that protest. That's essentially what it was a huge protest movement. But like, you know, the best boycotts. The reason those works is because they got everybody on board. And the reason they were able to get everybody on board is because they had like a backup system. Right. So it's like people didn't just stop going to work. People didn't stop
00:38:45
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earning an income, but they had like friends and family and community driving people to their jobs. Or, you know, folks were like, okay, I figured out a walking route to work. And I figured out that if I wake up 45 minutes earlier, like I can make this happen. You know, whatever it was, but it's like, they thought the whole thing through. Right. They got like a critical mass of people on board and they actually created. Disrupted the system. They disrupted the system for a long time.
00:39:13
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people also don't seem to remember the bus quite fast for like two plus years long. People had to be uncomfortable for a while. And so that's the thing. It's like these days we have to see like, get out of my arms and like make a trend on TikTok. Then we forget about it and nothing has changed. I feel like part of that is also we just keep getting these once in a lifetime events much sooner. We're like,
00:39:44
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Not to say that people didn't have back then, have just as many events, but I feel like we have, between the pandemic, between these last five, 10 years, what? So I think that a lot of people, I also feel like we're just, so many people aren't tired. People are just tired. That's what I love about
00:40:15
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what I do as a coach. Because while I can't mass organize things like a bus boycott, I can start helping people understand. I feel like my feeling is intentionally spending is
00:40:46
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are intrinsically figuring out and spending your money on the things that you want or need not because of outside influences or because you're being told you need to. We're trying to get rid of the noise as I've said before I know I've said that before in this podcast so I think that as as the world of
00:41:22
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kind of attacking their trauma around their money.
Gen Z and Financial System Changes
00:41:30
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I think that there's just gonna be a fundamental shift in how the system is working because we are affecting how it's being, we're disrupting it, right? In a way, it's just gonna, it's not gonna take two years. It's gonna take a good generation. Right. Yeah.
00:41:51
Speaker
I think you're starting to see that with Gen Z in terms of the schools, colleges, the military. These institutions that just keep trying to get more and more people to come in to make more and more money are hurting. People don't want to go do those things. They're taking the time to be like, what do I want?
00:42:20
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realizing that they have that power. So they're starting to see little cracks, I think. At least that's my slightly optimistic view. Well, and you know, I actually did just recently read an article, maybe in the New York Times, I don't know, but it was about the fact that enrollment in vocational schools is going up and
00:42:49
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I think you're absolutely right. I think Gen Z has kind of looked at the big picture and realized I don't have to go down this route where I'm paying literally a hundred thousand dollars a year to learn something that may or may not result in income. Let me spend less, have a strong salary coming out and
00:43:16
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have more options available. And I think you're also right. There is something to be said for addressing your trauma and realizing that you don't have to use money to create self-worth. You don't have to use money to create validation. You don't have to buy the Stanley Cup to be a worthwhile human being. And so you can literally
00:43:41
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just do the things that make you actually happy, as opposed to the things that we have been told will make us happy. Yep,
Business Building and Financial Resilience
00:43:51
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yep. Yeah, I just think it's, you know, this as I've kind of been really honing in on my next steps with my journey in terms of just like, I think that that's been a huge part of my mindset of like, what do I actually want?
00:44:11
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What do I need? What do I want? What are out of the things? And then also re-evaluating those things and like, are those things that I ask, right? So like, I've identified my needs and wants. But then, in a, not in a, in a healthy kind of like, positive way of like, let me just, what's the vibe of it?
00:44:40
Speaker
Right, let's take the time to, is this something, why, and let's be safe. We have gone down quite the rabbit holes today. Good, it's staying true to our mission, because somehow we always end up talking about like, can't get BDSM, and then somehow we
00:45:10
Speaker
It just happens. It just happens. We still have plenty of time. Is there anything on your mind? Let me think. What is on my mind these days? Well, so let me get real with you for a minute. Okay. So as you know, I have been building my business for the past almost exactly one year. I left my previous job on April 4th. So one of those days.
00:45:39
Speaker
and officially started a Yana financial coaching business. Now, the reality is, and I think I said this in our last show, I earned $6,000 in income my first year, which honestly is not the worst. It takes time. And on the other hand, I need to eat food to live. And as I said, capitalism. So the thing that really has been on my mind is
00:46:09
Speaker
How do you, like really what I've been doing is doing this like shadow work journey. Like how do I get out of my own way to get clients in? Cause it's like, you know that I'm a coach. Like I'm clearly, I know how to do the work. So it's like now how do I like get my brain to let me get clients? Yeah. So I'm going to put my
00:46:35
Speaker
my small business coach had on for a second here. So typically one of the things, and this is not any news for you, this is more for our listeners, typically, you know, we typically say for our coaching, our
00:46:54
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You know your emergency fund of three to six months of expenses right. I typically tell my, my business clients when they're like, I want to quit my job. I want to focus solely on building my business and like great.
00:47:14
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that will privilege, that will allow you to just do that. I was like, we need a year of expenses, like reality, because exactly what you said, you need to eat, you need to live. And I don't want you to be stressed out about
00:47:34
Speaker
trying to bring in income to do that, the focus of your first year should just be building the business. Not necessarily, your focus should not be making money. You need to make money, but if the idea, the work is there, the money's gonna come, right? And so we need to make sure that
00:48:10
Speaker
and take care of the debt or we have a plan, whatever the case may be. I don't think that people should be completely, you don't need to be completely debt free to start a business. Let me put that out there. Say no, Dave Ramsey. But yeah, the reality, right? You've spent the last year and on average it's $500 a month, right? It's like, that doesn't cover a lot.
00:48:38
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that maybe covers your operating expenses. For the business. Right. Yeah. So like, I mean, who knows? Maybe you'll get a nice refund. I don't know. I'm not a tax person, but you know, income to, you know, expenses, your gross, actual, whatever the case may be. So typically when I have clients that are building their business or they've been in practice,
00:49:06
Speaker
really kind of market research, focus groups. This is where your time and energy needs to be put to make sure. And to have those hard conversations with yourself of, is there a need for what I'm doing? Am I, is my vision of what I want to do filling that need? And am I reaching the right
00:49:37
Speaker
markets. So am I reaching? So those are like the three big questions that I have, that I have my clients focus on. I'm like, okay, so what is, what is the goal of the, like what need is being filled or what problem am I solving? Right. Because as entrepreneurs, a lot of times we,
00:50:07
Speaker
I came up with such a great idea, right? There's a little bit of ego in it. That's just part of it. You have to have that confidence to even do what you're doing. But we need to also take that reflective time of like, okay, am I doing square peg round hole and trying to make this work, right? Or can I shift and go, right? Right. So
00:50:37
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That would be my suggestion. Like I said, I don't know where you are in that process. I'm not going to, you know, but that's kind of the same. And I actually got my business mentor that I had at one point.
00:50:58
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You know, I had all these great ideas and she was like, that's great. She goes, before you spend all that time and energy creating those courses and that content, make sure you have the need for it. Make sure there are people that will buy that because there's no worse thing than wasting your time creating something and no one buys it. Here's my thing though. And like, I believe you and I've heard that.
00:51:28
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And I think the part that people forget to then follow up on is, okay, so where am I supposed to go to find these people who are going to maybe buy my thing? Cause like I have done market research and I've had conversations with real black women who are entrepreneurs and all this kind of stuff. And when I talk to them, they're like, Oh my gosh, I love this. There's such a need for it. I believe in you sis go for it. And then they don't pay me money, which is fine. They don't need to.
00:51:58
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well I mean it's like they have they they're making their own choice but that's my thing so I'm like if you're getting one message and then there's no follow through with like the payment and then I don't know so like basically it keeps coming back to you like well where am I supposed to go to look for these people because I
00:52:21
Speaker
Once I know that, presumably, that's where my clients will come from. Nobody talks about how do you find the people who are going to give you all this information. That's where spending the time with the focus groups. It's not just talking about your idea. It's creating interest in a way
00:52:49
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CFT right you create you see what's there you get people that one of the big things that I talk about all the time in my small business coaching is that The best idea doesn't make the most money The best advertised idea makes the most money. Yeah, so also there may be a disconnect in
00:53:17
Speaker
how you're advertising or where you're advertising to get that message out. Because you may not know your idea. You're thinking my demographic is this or these are the ideal people, but they're not paying you. So we need to maybe expand where you're showing up. Where is your business?
00:53:48
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being seen, who is actually going to send you that money? It's like who is resonating with you. Correct. And this is a conversation we had too as well. I don't think we had it on the podcast. It was just, I think it was one of our conversations of the like creating a message that evokes emotion. Yeah. Right. And you, if your idea
00:54:16
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It's this idea of putting, you know, believing in your idea, your mission, your company, your product, and putting together a solid marketing campaign, effective marketing campaign to evoke emotion. You'll be surprised at who comes paying. It may be a completely demographic than you originally thought.
00:54:47
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within the, within your niche, right? Cause like there are hundreds of thousands of people that could fit within your company's kind of mission. We're just not hitting, we're not finding the right ones. So you do that through the way you do that through is, is the marketing, the specifics on how to do that. Well, that's why it's
00:55:18
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And I think to your point is like, that's what people have to understand. That's why as coaches, we're like, you need 12 months of expenses. Like there's no guarantee. Right. It's not going to automatically like start making money in three months. Nope. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's, you know, that I, in my eventual goal is also to be self-employed. I am on that journey.
00:55:48
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My whole concept of my business is sliding scale for accessibility. So over the next few
Personal Financial Journeys and Setbacks
00:56:00
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years, I have to build up my, I need to lower my financial footprint to ensure that I can make, because that's a very important aspect of my work, is to ensure that it's
00:56:23
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achieve and once again I think that will come back to resonating with the right kind of people of understanding hey while there may be people who are working with Mike that are
00:56:46
Speaker
and creating that sense of trust and relationship that hopefully as I get them from survival mode to a surplus that they're okay with paying me more because we've been through the trenches together. So I know that that's a key part of how I want to run my business. Once again, kind of going to that anti-capitalism
00:57:13
Speaker
living in the system, but I need to make money. That is an important part so that I can live and provide the services and help people, but my goal is not to become a millionaire. I want to create a soft life that I feel comfortable in that I can help people.
00:57:40
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goal. However, and this is like, that's now my focus is like, okay, well, how do I do that? Right? So I lower my financial footprint enough over the next three and a half years while I shift from working full time to going to grad school. I am in a very privileged place where the government is going to pay for me to go to school. I'm going to bring home almost $6,000 a month in untaxed income while I'm in school.
00:58:09
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So like, I'm going to use that to build something that I can then help other people, right? So, you know, it's one of those things where I know how the work that it's going to take, but I'm not there yet. And I can't, in order to do what I want to do and help the people that I want to help, I have to kind of switch gears personally to get there. So.
00:58:38
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It's a lot, it's the moral of the story. But you know, I feel like as I continue to go through this process, what I'm realizing is like, this is the living, right? Like this is what life is supposed to be. And it is, it's hard because that's the thing that's to use the tired metaphor. That's the thing that's helped me is like grow our little butterfly wings. You know, like you have to beat them against the cocoons, you can get strong enough to fly. And
00:59:05
Speaker
We have chrysalis seasons over and over again because we continue to grow. I happen to be, well, and that's the thing. Like, I feel like I was in the goo stage for a while and I'm like actively in the like beating my wings against the coo stage. Like I can tell that's a break out of that bitch start flying around pretty soon. The shit is hard. And I think like the more okay we all get with that, just like
00:59:37
Speaker
that's my thing too though so it's like in the midst of all of this I'm going to Costa Rica I'm here hanging out with you like I'm you know I and I think that's important too is to move away from this idea of martyrdom and realize that regardless of what the struggle is the whole idea is that we are trying to move all of us closer to a place of soft life pleasure yep of
01:00:05
Speaker
just truly living, freedom. And honestly, I feel like that was the central point of that blood pleasure activism, which I do not recommend people read. I'm just, listen, I'm gonna- We're not gonna put that in the show notes. We're not gonna put it in the show notes. I'm gonna give you the clips notes real quick. Literally, the whole point is be an activist, fight against the system, create a different and better world.
01:00:34
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And remember that the goal of all of that fighting is to achieve more pleasure and freedom. So be sure to inject pleasure and freedom into the fight. And that's really what I'm trying my best to do. Yeah. I think one thing, I think one of the biggest takeaways that I got from my time at the financial gym, I think one of the things that's really valuable
01:01:08
Speaker
how small we were. It honestly was, we were working, but we also were kind of like life mentored by Shannon, you know, like she's been through so much shit. She has done so much, like she has created this very successful company against all odds and really bad investors.
01:01:40
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There's one thing that she told me when I just went to her about life and different things. She was just like, everything financial is fixable. And that has stuck with me. I think some people might say that that comes from a place of privilege.
01:02:04
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I think that yes, there is some privilege in that, but I think, but also that everything is fixable financially. You may not like the fix, but it is fixable, right?
Community Support in Non-Monogamous Relationships
01:02:22
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And so that has been something that I take into heart. That's, I used to be very nervous about making large
01:02:35
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financial decisions or purchases. And that anxiety goes away when it's like, I've done the work, I've done the research and you know, this isn't just willy nilly, I'm just doing whatever I want. But like the same thing with this, when I eventually venture out to do my own business, like
01:02:58
Speaker
you know, it could not do well. And that's okay, because I'll be able to figure it out. I don't know how, necessarily. If you need to, you will in that time. Yeah. And so just knowing that like, you know, it's the same thing with, with my marriage ending, right? It was like, this was, I didn't think that that was going to be a thing, but I've,
01:03:27
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We were able to untangle our finances and separate without either of us incurring debt, without affecting either of our credit scores. And that's huge because for so many people, that is such a stick in their financial journey, right?
01:03:55
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I feel very grateful that we were able to be like, hey, this isn't working, but we also don't want each other to be fucked over. So how do we do this? How do we navigate this?
01:04:13
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And so that's what, you know, time after time, I have seen that everything financial is fixable, right? It's like, I see it on a daily basis, I see it with my clients. And so it's something that I've taken. And that's something that Shannon really kind of, you know, instilled in, I think, every trainer there.
01:04:37
Speaker
And yeah, I think it's a really important lesson that, and also understanding that yes, there is being able to say that comes from a place of privilege and not ignoring that. But I think that for most people, that is a reality. They just sometimes don't want to do the fix. And here's the other thing, sometimes the fix is
01:05:05
Speaker
going into a homeless shelter. Sometimes the fix is getting assistance. Sometimes the fix is reaching out to somebody. Like, I'm not saying that the fix is good, right? But everything financial is fixable. Sometimes the fix is moving to a different country so you don't have to deal with your whatever is going on here. Like, I'm not advocating for that. I'm just saying that there is a, where there is
01:05:36
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that because money is a system that we created that is quote-unquote made up it's fixable it just may not be the most pleasant fix but it is well and I feel like you touched on so many really good things in there and I just want to emphasize one part because I feel like I've been doing a lot of this work myself and I just recently added this to my coaching
01:06:06
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is that piece around community. So as you said, it's like sometimes the fix is reaching out to somebody and asking for help. And I think especially as somebody who works primarily with folks who have been historically disadvantaged, a lot of times we either, and I'm not gonna speak on all of this, but the point is,
01:06:33
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At the end of the day, community has to be a core part of your financial pathway, especially if you're starting your own business. But also, if you want to build any type of wealth, you have to realize that it's not going to happen 100% on your own. And this is something I've had a hard time getting in touch with. And now that I am there, I'm realizing
01:06:58
Speaker
You know, I posted this morning on my Instagram. It's like, I am so blessed to have people in my life who will like support me and take care of me in like these little moments. And that is so beautiful and important and key to all of us surviving. And so I think that's the thing where, you know, stepping outside of this lens and framework of individualism, inside of capitalism, pulling yourself up by your bootstraps. We are a people of villages. We are a,
01:07:28
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community species. We need each other. I'm so glad to bring that up because that's also why I feel like so many people could learn so much from getting away from monogamy or at least thinking that it's the only way to create a life. I think that there are a lot of people that have what I call soft
01:07:55
Speaker
polyamory, they have really, really close friendships. I think that we've just, intimacy, community, I think could all be heightened and people would just be better for it. Like literally an example is, so my partner is traveling right now for work. He is in Mexico and his husband is holding the fort down.
01:08:26
Speaker
going into before leaving, I was like, hey, if you need help, I can assist with walking the dog, feeding her, whatever the case may be, because I know that typically the mornings my partner takes care of the dog because his husband leaves early in the morning to be at his job, and then his husband takes care of the dog at night. That's their thing.
01:08:53
Speaker
I also know how important it is as a dog owner myself and for the dog to stay on the same schedule. And I knew that if my partner's husband had to take care of the dog entirely by himself the whole time, the dog schedule was going to shift to much earlier. And so I reached out and said, Hey, if you want help during the week, like,
01:09:22
Speaker
I, my mornings are very flexible. I have that ability to, you know, you're not far from my house. I can come take care of her whenever you need. And he was like, I really appreciate that. And most of this week, the polycule, there's been other people helping as well. So we've been able to make sure that the dog's schedule stays the same. Last night I said, I texted him and I was like, Hey, so do you need me tomorrow? Cause I'm trying to plan out my day.
01:09:55
Speaker
so I think I can take care of her. I said, okay. And so this morning, I got up, I actually woke up early because I had some weird stress dream. And I was like, okay, well, my original plan was to go to the gym after recording, but since I'm up, I'm just gonna go to the gym. And I got to the gym and I started my little warmup and I was texting,
01:10:32
Speaker
literally around the corner. He's like, but you've already planned your day. I was like, my plan already changed today. Like I am only three minutes into this workout, but this warmup, like I'm just on a bike. Like I can, I was like, my schedule in the afternoon is open. I will go back to my original plan. Like this is not a big deal. And he's like, really? I'm like, yes, honestly. Like, and so like I took care of her this morning and he was able to go to work on time.
01:11:01
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kind of de-stress from that and just focus. And so that's where, you know, the community is so important and, you know, knowing that I have those, even though I am now living by myself, I am my own
01:11:33
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like that, but you just, you know, and that's, you know, once again, it comes back to community and support and it's just so, so, so, so important. So last thing I'm going to say about that, and I feel like I'm on the album. We have time. So the last thing I want to say about that is I love that story because one, it shows where we can ask for the help that we need more often.
01:12:01
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accept the help that's offered more often. But then also, I think to your point about having the spoons, we all have an opportunity to get intentional about who is in our community and then how we want to show up for the different people in our community. And I know for me, once I created essentially definitions around who and how I want to show up for people in my community, it's actually made me a lot more generous about
01:12:32
Speaker
okay these are all acquaintances but I know with my acquaintances I want to check in like once a quarter at least and like know what they're doing for work and products and things like this and so now I have like a system in place for actually being like alright I have not talked to this person in two months I need to reach out see how they're doing as opposed to just being like you know when I see him I see him it's all good it's love it's Kiki right now I have
01:13:02
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some clarity and definition and intention around who is in my community and how I show up for them. So I can show up for them. Yes. And that's been really cool. So, and this, so for anybody who's like wanting to get more intentional about their community, this is, this is like the system that I came up with. Okay. So one, there's this thought. Hi.
01:13:27
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Hey there. We'll get better at this. But I mean, you know, it's like Mike and I are like, y'all are there. Okay.
Season 3 Guest Highlights and Excitement
01:13:35
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Well, you have to speak to them. This is for them. This is this is for the hello audience. So this is what I do. And you don't have to do this, obviously. But there's a theory that as human beings, we are able to maintain true relationships with around 150 people.
01:13:54
Speaker
Obviously there's debate around the actual number blah blah blah, but let's just say 150. This is where he gets into the coaching too, but anyway continue. Hopefully somebody can use this. So what I did is I literally went through my phone contacts, my email addresses that I have in my Google, and all of my social medias. And I was like, who are the people in here who I really want to
01:14:21
Speaker
maintain community with. And so I put them in a spreadsheet. So I made a spreadsheet and then I created like friendship levels. So I've got like my person, my people, like the ones who I'm like writer guy, like, you know, where the bodies are buried. Then I've got my commit arson for would commit arson. Yeah.
01:14:48
Speaker
Um, I've got like the besties. I've got my friends. I've got family, obviously about what do you call that? Like extended family acquaintances. And then I have work contacts. And the thing is, I feel like LinkedIn besties. Yeah. Yeah. I don't use LinkedIn, but I mean, but it's like, I feel like we, we have a tendency, especially in this country to think
01:15:13
Speaker
Well, anybody who I've ever gotten a business card from should be like in my work contacts. But honestly, there are those people who are like, no, I would say their name in a different room. Like I trust them. So I think, especially when it comes to that piece being like, these are the people who I want to like put a conference together with. You know, these are the people who I respect, their opinion, and I can learn from them while that kind of stuff and vice versa. They're usually, yeah,
01:15:47
Speaker
So, and that's the thing. So like literally I think having that like clarity and intentionality around who's in your community and then being able to kind of go back to that list and like add and take away. And I realized I have like a hundred people on my list. For one thing I've got some space. So I can like invite new people into my community. Do you hear that? She's got space. I've got some space. But then too, like I was talking to a potential, you know, person, like the person I'm dating.
01:16:17
Speaker
And he was saying like, oh, I really don't know, like I really don't have people that can just like call up and like crash on their couch. And I'm like, that's a red flag. Then it's time to leave. Sorry. So I'm like, so it's time to like get intentional about your community. We're like, also ask the question, the uncomfortable question to yourself, why don't I have anybody? Well, and I will say, and this is, this is me reflecting on, you know, like, I might leave
01:16:47
Speaker
I'm making excuses for him, it's fine. That was very, uh, that, that shade came out of nowhere. Sorry. I just, I had some friends that have said similar things. I consider them good friends, but they don't live like close. So it's one of those things that was like, I don't fit that category, right? Where, but where they are located, they feel like they don't have any connections. And I'm like,
01:17:16
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you've been living there for a while so like why don't you have those connections yeah well and that's one thing I will say I feel like I don't have those connections and like around the country there are a lot of people I could call up and be like hey you know here I come right so that's
01:17:40
Speaker
And I feel like, side note, I feel like you were broaching the subject around coming and almost expecting me not to say that you could stay here. I felt like you were like, so I just, I'm like. Yeah, I mean, I wasn't like. And I'm like, yes, you're staying here. What? Well, because I mean, you offered it and I was like, honestly, I hadn't even considered that as an option, which is why, this is what I'm saying, I need to learn how to
01:18:11
Speaker
I'm not saying these things to coach or repeat why, I'm saying them to like talk to myself. You know, like, bet and learn how to like ask for your needs. So yeah, so all that's to say, communityism. We did the gambit today. As per usual. Yeah, I think it was such a, I just, I'm trying to replay, this is where I need an onset director to remind us what, you know,
01:18:41
Speaker
we've talked about. See we talked about Dom sub, we talked about rope, we talked about finances, we talked about community, we talked about capitalism, the patriarchy, so you know run-of-the-mill episode. Is there anything that you are excited for
01:19:11
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I am excited this season because I feel like a lot of the guests are people who you have sourced. And so these are folks you're like, I am not intimately familiar with. And so I'm excited to meet some new folks. Yes. And we have people that are actual fans of the podcast. So that's a cool moment. I will not name names, but they were
01:19:44
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and since the beginning and I was unaware so that feels really cool and yeah I'm just I think that we have quite the array of guests coming up and really really really excited to get these people on the podcast. Is there any like topics that we have coming up that you're excited about?
01:20:13
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From a personal standpoint, I am really excited to dive into and spread the word of financial therapy. I think that that is, you'll hear more about it in the actual episode, but it is something near and dear to my heart. And I think that that is just, it's an emerging kind of niche of therapy. And I think it's very needed.
01:20:43
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My trajectory with my career is kind of makes the most logical sense, especially with the work that we do as coaches. That's exciting. Yeah. I love that. And I think it's important for people to even understand that that's a topic for them. That's a field. And it's interesting because like during that conversation, I was thinking back and I realized there are three clients that I had when we were working at the gym.
01:21:12
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to financial therapy and I didn't even know that it existed. So I'm really glad that we're spreading the word on that. Yeah, I think a lot of times as coaches, we toe the line with therapy. I have felt that way, especially with the clients that do have the trauma or are extremely, sorry, that are extremely traumatized by money. I don't want to say they have trauma.
01:21:41
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They have been traumatized by money. They have been, you know, they're coming for help. And, you know, I'm really excited to dive more into that to be able to be a better coach. And I think that, you know, that that career field is only going to grow. It's a very small population currently, but there's even
01:22:11
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therapist certification. So, you know, it's really exciting stuff. It's exciting to be kind of watching that grow and potentially being a part of it. And just to really think it's just very needed. Yeah, this is gonna be a good season. I'm excited to be here with everybody. And I just
01:22:34
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For the people who listen to our entire episode, I'm like, I love you. And thank you for rocking with us. You should invite yourself onto the show so we can talk to you in person. Yes, and I'm still looking for someone who wants to help us with social media. It has been a journey. I feel like that is definitely something we need. Once again, the whole advertising thing.
01:23:00
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I believe in what we do. I know everyone who finds us and listens to us agrees. So thank you for supporting us and just think that we need to get our voice out there more. I just don't have the spoons to do it. With everything else that I do for this podcast, I can't also do that. Well, we've been talking for a little minute.
01:23:31
Speaker
Oh, well, thank you everybody for being with us today on the dirty money podcast. If you have any questions, comments, or concerns, find us on Instagram at dirty money underscore podcast. Please come talk to us. We will talk to you. Shout out our DMS, do whatever you feel like we clearly love to chat. And, um, if there's a guest that you would like us to speak with, if you would like to be a guest, let us know. We will probably make that happen. And then I think that's it. Yeah.
01:24:01
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we'll check out the show notes and until the next time yeah
01:24:25
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