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Holding Space for Melanated Folx with Robin Denise
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SUMMARY
Welcome back to another episode of Dirty Money with Bevin and Mike! Today, we're thrilled to have Robin Denise join us. Robin is a dedicated space holder for the melanated population, using a wide array of tools to support individuals in their journey towards self-love and joy. Throughout this episode, Robin shares her expertise on finding joy, creating equitable business practices, and building authentic communities. She delves into her personal experiences and offers practical advice on how to reflect, heal, and grow in a world where true joy can often feel hard to find.
TOPICS
[1:35] Who is Robin Denise
[4:55] How to access joy?
[11:38] Creating an Equitable Business Model
[18:05] Doing the Work
[28:25] Learning about Spirituality
[35:45] Community
[38:15] Robin’s Future Plans
[41:20] Final Thoughts & Getting Started
RESOURCES & LINKS
Connect with Robin Denise
Instagram:@robin_denise_
TikTok: TikTok - Make Your Day
Website: https://www.robindenise.com/
CONTACT INFO
Bevin Morgan:
Instagram: @bevinmorgan & @temple_eanna
Website: www.templeeanna.com & BevinMorgan.com
Mike Poulin:
Instagram: @mjpou56
Dirty Money Podcast:
Instagram: @dirtymoney_podcast
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Transcript
Introduction to the Dirty Money podcast
00:00:10
Speaker
Welcome to Dirty Money with Bevin. And Mike. A space to talk about financial topics for folks who don't fit into traditional financial spaces. We believe money is a tool for everyone. Our mission is to provide a literal microphone and platform for queer, BIPOC, polyamorous, and sex-positive individuals. No topic is off the table here. That being said, one tiny little housekeeping note. For those listening who may have others with sensitive ears, the listener discretion is advised because we do not censor ourselves. That's right. You've been warned, but enough from us. Let's get this episode started.
Guest Introduction: Robin Denise
00:00:53
Speaker
Welcome back to Dirty Money with Bevin and Mike. I am Bevin, and with me, as always, is my charming co-host, Mike. Hello, Mike. Hey. How's it going? Good. I'm good. And today, we're here with the absolutely phenomenal and a gorgeous and magical Robin Denise.
Robin's Mission and Approach
00:01:15
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What's up, Robin? Hello. Hello.
00:01:21
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Robin, I always like to start all of these conversations with just a general introduction. So I could tell everybody what I think about you, but I would prefer for you to tell the people who you are, what you do, and what makes you so magical. Yeah, so I see myself as a person whose whole space for the melanative population um as I embrace and work towards fulfilling their fullness. I support them as they move into loving themselves more, activating like the bliss-filled relationship between their mind, body, and spirit, and really
00:02:06
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making sure that everybody has access to joy in all areas of their life. And a lot of the ways that I do that is through all of the things that I have as a Reiki master, as a somatic practitioner, as a life and health coach, as a nutrition coach, as a personal trainer, as an environmentalist. Like I use all of the things that are in my tool bag to support people in that overarching goal of actualizing their highest self. Hmm, I like that. I love that. one And the thing that caught me immediately was this idea of helping people connect with joy. And um one, I think that's super important and something that could easily be, especially in America, especially under capitalism, I think a lot of people are like, meh, joy, schmoy, you get it when you get it, like deal with life.
00:03:01
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But for you, what makes that feel so important? Because, so for me, a lot of my work is around sensuality and sexuality, right? And understanding pleasure and self-pleasure. But really sometimes people find it hard to connect to their pleasures because they really are trying to learn how to just connect to happiness and joy. And if we start at joy, and showing people how there is gratitude in their day, showing people ways in which to bring in more joy, then we can move to the deeper level of, well, what is pleasure now, right? Like now that I've accessed joy, how can I see joy be fulfilled in my pleasure? And then we can go even deeper into, all right, now what does that look like in the bedroom, right?
00:03:55
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What does that look like in your office? What does that look like in your relationships? And so that's why joy for me is important because if we don't know how to access joy, which can be hard in the world that we're living in right now, then it makes it even harder to get to the next levels of bliss and sensuality and that type of authenticity.
00:04:24
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so
Holistic Healing Practices
00:04:25
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I feel like we're starting to allude to it, but I think most people do understand, just kind of i have like an intuitive sense that in, I'm not going to say even just in America, but that's where we're speaking from. So in the United States, as an adult who, unless you're at the 0.001% must do work in order to survive, what are some things that somebody could do to start to access joy? because I know it's not easy for me oftentimes. Start reflecting on your day, right? Like when you reflect on your day and you pick out moments where things made you smile, things made you laugh. That's the first spark of joy. So for me, I have navigated that funny movies bring so much light to my life and
00:05:22
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I love to laugh, I need laughter. um So when i since I've noticed that is a thing for me, now when I'm having days that are just a little rough, I know, oh, laughing brings me joy. Watching this comedian brings me joy. And so I can go there in my and my tool bag, in my memory bank, and access that so that way I'm not so far underneath the cloud in the clouds with joy when I know because I've reflected on my days in previous, right? So I think that's the first, that's one of the first ways to access joy. Just take a moment to reflect on what brought you a smile today and then go back to that date.
00:06:11
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um love that okay right So um one of the things that you mentioned is that you love to do this work for melanated folks and that you've got a whole tool bag of just things that you know, like, you know, you're raky and you've you've got a lot of different skills and skill sets. So will you please just kind of paint a picture for anybody who's listening to help them understand, like, what does this work actually look like? So when somebody shows up to come work with you, what are they going to be doing? Yeah, I was curated for each person, but let's say there is someone who
00:06:52
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doesn't feel fulfilled in their relationships.
00:06:57
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Right? And that that can be common. And unfulfillment can look a variety of different ways. It could look like, I want to go out on more dates with my person. It could look like I want to have better sexual experiences with my person in the bedroom. It could look of a variety of different ways, but unfulfillment can be common. And so you come to me, we talk about our fulfillment, we talk about the ways and the areas that are showing up, and then we delve into, well, how, where is it starting from? What's the root? Because if we can't identify the root, then we can't start to heal and transform. And so we identify the root, and whatever the root is, that then prescribes what are the things and the tools we use.
00:07:48
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If the root is something that is connected to a body trauma, then maybe we'll do rapey somatic work, breath work, and we'll talk through those traumas. If it's something that's connected to just undesirability within us, like well well it depends. So each person is unique and each thing that we talk about and we pull together as a program is going to be curated for that person for the root issue. So what this sounds like to me is basically like it's therapy for people who want to do more than just talk.
00:08:28
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that's kind of what I'm getting, right? Cause it's like everybody wants to feel happy and joyful, but it seems like there's just like different approaches to how you might go to that. So, you know, in a therapy session, you know, it's just going to be talking and obviously like different therapists have some different tools that they'll use CVT or parts work or, you know, whatever. But it sounds like with you, because you are like a somatic practitioner, you have, the opportunity to do some stuff with folks that they might not get at a therapist's office. Yeah,
Financial Coaching and Equity-Based Pricing
00:09:07
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yeah because there might be a day where somebody wants to completely talk and there might be another day where energetically they need Reiki or there's another day where their body is so, their nervous system is so far
00:09:23
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gone for a lack of better word right now, um that we want to do breath work to help calm the body and bring it back into homeostasis. um So it varies. And by no means am I a therapist, a training therapist, but between all of the schooling and books and masters and things like that, i my friends have all were come to me who for support to talk about so stuff
00:09:56
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Yeah, now I hear that. Okay. Yeah. I feel like we we also, as finance coaches, Bevin and I often feel that same way too, where it's like, once people know what you do, they're like, oh, wait, let me. but It's like, so here's this thing that's going on. And you're like, okay, holding space. yeah Yeah. Well, and so speaking of the finance, finances part, this is a money podcast. So, um, well, so I guess, first of all, how long have you been doing this work? So I have been doing this. It's always such an antiquated answer because each year as I like add more things to my toolbox, I'm almost like, do I start the counter over? Is this a new thing? What am I doing now?
00:10:53
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When we're talking about the like the boldness of holding space for someone and providing them the ability to talk through and work through what they're dealing with, I would say I've been doing that for about five years. um Now, if you want to include the time that I was a personal trainer and people were talking to me about that, that'd be about 10 years. Okay. Yeah. Well, so, and I mean, this is interesting for me because, you know, as Mike said, we're both financial coaches and I've been doing financial coaching full time for myself for one year. So speaking with another entrepreneur who works in kind of like a one-on-one coaching type capacity. How have you like doing it for five years? Like that's huge success. So how have you found that?
00:11:44
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process to be for you? Where do you feel like you are in your business? Like what does that all look like? You know, I would be so transparent right now. Although it's been five years and like I've had my LLC for seven years. Honestly, it has been tough. And I am not at the financial place that I desire to be. And I've recognized that it's, it's me. It has always been me. Right? Like I am, I'm very spiritual. I do manifestations. I work with the new moon energy. I'm all these things. And what I've come to realize is the only thing that stops
00:12:35
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income and money and prosperity and new clients kind of my way has really been in connection to my ability to decide that I want those things truly, that I deserve those things, but I'm worthy of those things. And so it's been a journey of understanding my worth. And it's at this point now where I'm like, Oh, Oh no, we call in this because we're worthy of it because people need this and how rude would I be to diminish my worth to think that I cannot support someone else when I know that I can, when I know that my spirit has brought me to this place to be able to do this thing. And so it has, it has been a journey of me recognizing my own freaking power.
00:13:27
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And as I've been moving now in my power, I've been seeing the changes and that feels good. It's not where I want to get, but it's on its way. Okay. Yeah. I actually, I have a question about that um as, so in my current journey, I'm, I'm about to go back to grad school for therapy. ah to get financial therapy certification. And I'm also working on like a wealth management certification so that I can eventually start a basically a financial wellness practice, right? Like the coaching, the therapy, the helping people build wealth, it's all part of it.
00:14:14
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But one thing that's, and I know this from reading about you is that you're also very anti-capitalism. And so as someone who also very much vibes with that, one of the things that's really important for me as I start building this business is I've been doing a lot of research in equity-based pricing. So having tiers for my clients based off of where they're at, and then, but also making that very transparent in my in my business so that when people come to me, they've realized that they're helping other people access me and know that like, yes, you can pay more, but it's actively helping other people have access to these same services. Is that something that you've played with, toyed with, thought about?
00:15:08
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Because to me, that's very anti-capitalism. And it's something that i i like as I build this thing, like that is something that I need to make sure that I'm in a place to be able to provide that. Because I think it's it's really important, the accessibility for the type of work that I ah plan on doing and providing.
Overcoming Self-Worth Issues
00:15:26
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I think this is a phenomenal question and I am really excited to see what happens with you and your business and feel free to pull me in as a contractor or whatever to support your clients because I am down for it. In regards to the question, I really love this question because I actually just shifted that way to provide your
00:15:52
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Yeah, to provide tiered things because as I mentioned, like financially things haven't been the best and I was recognizing my own desire to have access to services that were tiered. I was like, man, I would really love to do this counseling with this person. However, that price is just out of my range right now. I could pay XYZ, but they don't give that option. you know, and they don't have a scholarship. And so as I was finding that for myself, I was like, wait a minute, Robin, we need to do that for others. And it was really a moment of checking in with lack mindset for me of like, what would be stopping you from offering multi-tiered options? Oh, it'd be my fear that everybody would pick the lowest option and I would still not make any money.
00:16:53
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And then I said, well, what is really the truth? The truth is those who have it, who I want to work with, who are like me, who know if I have it, I'm going to give it. And ask the people that I want to call in. That's the people that I do call in. Those who see that tier pricing and is like, you know what? I respect the desire to support community. I respect the desire to make sure that other people have access to these services. And so I have started offering tiered pricing for my Reiki services. My coaching is next. I'm still working on what that looks like.
00:17:35
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But yeah, that is, i I love that. And the more that I'm moving toward it, the more I'm just like, this is what I want. Cause I want community and everybody in community has billions of dollars to give, but they need to be serviced. yep love that Well, you know, this is a slight departure from what we were just talking about, but I want to bring it back to something we were talking about before. which is that it sounds like you've really had to do some deep work around, as you said, self-worth, thinking through your lack mindset and things like this. And I recently got to spend time with somebody who I know is a teacher of yours. I'm not going to call her name just you know just in case.
00:18:29
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but one of the things that she and I talked a lot about was ritual. And what I'm hearing you say is like, it sounds like you've got some like, like very intentional like toolkit items that you're like, I go to these things in order to help me elevate in these ways. And like, I resonate with you so strongly on this like self worth piece, I literally just sobbed through therapy yesterday around this. So if you could speak to some of the tools that you use and how you've worked through some of this mindset stuff, I think that would be amazing for everybody listening. Yeah. So I had to recognize that lack mindset was showing up in so many areas of my life. The way we do one thing is the way we do everything. And even if you don't necessarily see it off the bat, it is there.
00:19:26
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And I recently realized how deeply the lack mindset went so much so that I remember I was pitching, and even using the word pitching doesn't even feel right because I don't pitch my services. I'm going to tell you what I do. If it feels right for you, you go move forward. If it don't, it don't. ah So I was sharing with someone what I do and I recognized in that conversation that I was trying to sell myself. And then when the person was like, Oh, let's do this. And I got to telling them what prices were. I saw myself walking back the prices like, Oh, well, if you need a, if you need a payment plan, we can do these many payments. They never said anything about needing a payment plan.
00:20:16
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They never said anything about having issues with the price. I started to project my own lack mindset onto them. And then they didn't come back and I had to sit with them. I was like, I won't say it's on me. However, lack mindset does have a way of blocking your blessing. If I am saying to you, I don't think you can pay this price. So let me see how I can make it more manageable for you. What? I don't know what your situation is. That is not, that is not my business at all. I will say, I will say that with, with that's a little bit of a security with my business model, because I am going to ask them for their income because I need to help them budget. So like, I know what they're going to be able to afford.
00:21:11
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yeah so This is how much you have to pay me. Yeah, pretty much. um Yeah. ah But yeah, so it's different when you're not dealing with there with their money. So yeah, I get that. But yeah, I joke that that there's a little bit of security in the in the equity price pricing for me because of the nature of the the the work that I'm going to be doing. Oh, that's hilarious. That's such a great point. Well, beit you you know, when we had clients that worked with us at the gym, we were like, yeah, you need help, but also like you could afford much more than what you're paying for.
Finding the Right Support
00:21:50
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And I feel so like, especially helping them, we call it like rich people problems. I, I don't mind, I love helping everybody, but it's like, it was one of those things where it was like,
00:22:02
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I have clients that can barely afford this service and you're like kind of taking advantage of it. And we were as a company also, I mean, struggling, like that's not a, that's, that's, you know, don't, don't come after me. Um, but like, you know, we had, we had investors, we had to make cuts every now and then it's like, and, but I feel like if we had a more equity based price model tiered based off of like, I mean, yeah, we did have tears, but like, it still wasn't, it was like, I don't know. There were times where I was like, you could be paying more for this and my time is worth more than this. But yeah, so, um, I mean, it's just you know, the client making $300,000, you're like, you can afford more than $85 a month.
00:22:47
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just Just saying, just saying. Yeah, but that being said, I will say, so Mike, you read up a good point. It's like, if you know your client's income, you can kind of have that conversation of, I know how much you can afford. Like we all have this information together. That said, the therapist that I go to, the one who I was sobbing with yesterday, um she does a tier pricing model. And it's just, it's based on, um ah honor system and literally just on her website, super transparent. It's like if you earn this much income, you pay this much per session. And I think she has tiers from like $50 a month up to like, or $50 per session up to like $200 per session. And I regret that I cannot pay her more because she is so amazing at what she does. And I just I dream of the day that I can be like,
00:23:40
Speaker
I don't know if this is part of your ethics board, but here's like a $10,000 tip, sis. Cause she like gets to be together regularly, you know? So but you just, as you make more money, you just let her know and you start paying more. Well, yeah, for sure. But I'm saying like retroactively, I want to be like bonus. Bam. Here you go. Cause I love her. She's she is like, she's so amazing. Like i I, I would, again, I would call her out, but I don't even think she's taking new clients, et cetera. i just her and like you know I just had a really weird side tangent, Devon, and I don't know if this we could even do this, but I feel like there should be an episode where we just have both of our therapists on the but podcast. It's like talking to you. This is how I fix life. This is how I fix Devon. You've met mine because he came and did that that class on addiction.
00:24:31
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for, at the financial gym. I was like, Hey, everyone, here's my therapist. He's also an addiction counselor. So, which has nothing to do with my therapy. I mean, but it would be fine if it did, but just, you know. Right. Exactly. I love that. But all of that to say, when it comes to having the self-worth and confidence to, one, ask for what you're worth, ask for what your services are worth, while also respecting your potential clients to me meet you where they are, where they can meet you. I feel like all of this is a process, you know? and it's It's like all of this is shadow work. That's what I've been saying from day one, like billing a business is literally just shadow work. That's all it is.
00:25:23
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but
00:25:26
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i am I am confident in
Spiritual Journeys and Community
00:25:28
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you, Robin. I know that you've got this. That's what I'm sure, that's all I'm trying to say. It's gonna work. Yeah. And ritual, because you asked about ritual, I just want to loop back to the closing of that question, right? How ritual plays a part. I do a lot of spirit work. I am actively like, anyways, I do a lot of spirit work. And The what ritual plays a part for me is affirmations and self-care and talking to my guys, my spirit animals, my ancestors, sitting in time on my altar, um all those things play a part. And what has been really supporting me lately has been affirmations.
00:26:20
Speaker
Because sometimes you just got to encourage yourself. Everybody is going through something, and you can't always look outside of yourself for the things that you need, right? It's got to start to come from within at some point. Because if it doesn't, if we don't know how to encourage ourselves from within, and we're always looking outside, one day the people that we go to ain't going to have it to give.
00:26:46
Speaker
And that's when you, if you haven't practiced and built up that muscle of encouraging yourself, you're going to be out there SOL, without a paddle. You can swear on this podcast. We didn't start adding that to the intro. like when we
00:27:09
Speaker
our Our logo literally is, you can't tell because of the way that the image is, but our podcast like art is literally a condom on a hundred dollar bill. like kind of It's stock art that I was able to find and it fit perfectly. From that stock art? Yes. Pixels or whatever, I don't know. and mean I think I literally googled like sex and money or something like I was just trying to find, you know, something subtle.
00:27:41
Speaker
and it was Sorry. Yeah, no, but I mean, so I and i thank you for sharing that because um when I needed it, but then to so question. where did you like Where did you start to receive your practices from? Because I feel like you and I are in very similar. In fact, I would like to say that we are in the same circle. where We're in community together. And I feel like a lot of the folks who I know are like, oh, yeah, I just i speak to my ancestors. Or, you know oh, i'm just like I'm burning this Palo Santo. And I'm like, OK, cool. Me too. I'll do it too. I don't i don't i don't know what I'm doing. like where Where do we get these these practices from?
00:28:27
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Well, I have spiritual teachers that I that i learned from. okay And um as I learned from them and I delve deeper into that work, I also start to learn from my higher self. And my intuition starts to bud and tell me things. And I'm like, oh, oh, that makes sense. Oh, that connects. And then like, you know, I'll verify with a teacher and they're like, yeah, you want to write track? And I'm like, Wonderful. I knew it all along. That's where it starts t is finding a good teacher. And I am moving into the place where I will be able to teach others. But I haven't decided to start accepting them yet. Accepting those students or accepting them all? Accepting those students. Yeah. Yeah. What do you? Are you? One day. but Oh, for sure.
00:29:27
Speaker
taking a tire. That's fair. That's fair. Well, so are you comfortable calling out any of your teachers or or even books? Yes. So Nina Simone is my teacher. Her name on Instagram is Crystal Sun Yogi. And so you're you're not talking Nina Simone, our dearly departed musician sister. Okay. No, not that one.
00:29:56
Speaker
oh i was i was legitimate like so right And we'll put her info in the show notes. Just, yeah, yes we heard the crystal sign you um yeah. Yeah, Crystal Sun Yogi. And she is a dynamic healer and shaman um in New Mexico. So I have learned a great deal from her. And that's, that's the one I feel the most comfortable sharing with Okay. Thank you for that. So, um, sorry. Well, not sorry. Because we're here to talk. One more follow-up question on that. You again, so you mentioned that you do prefer to work with melanated people. Get it? You know, we have to, we all we got, we got to take care of each other. But that said, like, when you were looking for spiritual teachers,
00:30:51
Speaker
Did that come from like practices that you grew up with? like Are these cultural practices? like How did you get to this place? Disclaimer, the reason I ask is because I'm from Atlanta. I'm a black girl from the South. And so for me, it's the church a million percent. And now as an adult, I've gotten to a place where I don't resonate with the church and I've been on a search and I think a lot of people are in a similar place but it feels disingenuous to just be like I don't know burn sage like question mark so it's like how does one start this this journey yeah so I grew up in the church too I'm from Compton California and we went to church every weekend midweek surfaces too
00:31:43
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yeah I was in the choir. I was the choir director at one point. I was involved, honey. And really what happened was my mom died one one year. when like see that She died. and wast Let's start over.
00:32:11
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Yeah, you know, one time my mom died. Just one time. Just Just once. No big deal.
00:32:20
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yeah
00:32:27
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Yep. Glad we got that all on video. It's okay. We're good. Anyway, California choir director. Got that traumatic event. We're here. OK. Yes. So that traumatic event of my mom dying started me questioning like, what what what am I really? Who am I? What do I see as higher purpose? How how do I see spirituality in God? And so those questions, the why question really is the one. Everything I started to do, I was asking why.
00:33:11
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Where's this coming from? Whose program is this? this Is this what I believe? Is this how I feel? Does my body resonate with this? Is this true to me? And so I started asking those questions and I still ask those questions when I learned something new from my teachers. I'm like, okay, does this feel right for me? Is this your teaching or is it now mine? And that's really where it began was the questioning and allowing my inner knowing and my higher self to lead me into the place where I am now. right And the institutions don't like people asking questions.
00:33:55
Speaker
you know It's fall in line, follow us because we need your 10% of your income for our untaxable business. um you know And I think that that's an important thing to understand is that you can be spiritual, you can be in tune without belonging necessarily to a congregation or you know church. like there are There are so many ways I feel as humans to explore that part of our of our being. And as someone who was raised Roman Catholic, mean but also didn't fit what they said was correct. It was like, well, what's wrong with me? you know That was the kind of the same thing as like that started the question of like,
00:34:53
Speaker
Well, the church is saying half of me is wrong. What does that mean? That doesn't, I don't feel wrong. So why, what's going on? So yeah, I resonate with that. well And the thing that comes up for me there too is understanding that your your congregation can transform to a tribe. It can transform to a new family unit. It doesn't have to be in the four walls with steeples and stained glass, you know? And so I've been welcoming that in, that i who are my tribe? Who are my spiritual tribe? And that really feels good as I do this walk. You know, something that's been coming up a lot for me lately, and that you mentioned earlier too, is just the incredible importance of community.
00:35:47
Speaker
And you just mentioned this idea of like finding your people, your village. And it, I'm just, basically I'm asking these questions. I'm like, you're my big sister and I need you to help me. Thank you very much. So with, with your journey that you've been on, what, like, how do you know that you found those people? Like what happens inside of you that says, oh, this is somebody who's part of my, this thing. Yeah. Remember that authenticity piece that I've mentioned but me is when I feel like I can be my most authentic self around someone. When I could be Rachie Robin who will twerk on the ground and Don Robin who will flog somebody real quick and then turn around and be like, we need to have a cacao ceremony and a line chakras. And that other person is like, yes, bitch.
00:36:49
Speaker
You were far about right. And just so we're clear, Bevin, I think you were asking Robin to be your spiritual drag mom. Is that? Yes. I think that's what. Yes. Yeah. OK. That's what that was. Yes. Thank you. Thank you for joining me in the terminology that I needed. Absolutely. Yes. I appreciate that. You're welcome. ah You know, it's funny too, I think I'm older than you Robin, but you know, it's like spiritually, I feel like you're farther along on this journey. And so it feels like, you know, guidance, right? And and that's one of those things. I think we all just need to recognize that like we do need guys and our teachers show up everywhere. And um it doesn't matter what like it looks like on paper or what you feel like is supposed to be whatever it's like go
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where you're called and you know just like you said it's that authenticity thing it's like what feels right so thank you for being my mama that means we gotta have more conversations better than okay so we're gonna have to get on the phone okay mom gosh i love it i'm here for it i love that um Okay, so this is a question that I always ask and need to know. What is next for you? What is your vision for Robin's world? And then also, what is your vision for the world at large? like You're doing this work for a purpose. What is the world that you want to see? So what's what's next for me is I want to ah really am have the desire to call in more speaking engagements,
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um sharing knowledge, sharing the things that I know that will impact others. That's really important for me. I want to do more retreats, collaborative retreats because as I mentioned, community is a thing for me and I know that I can
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pull in people. However, when I work with others, we can bring more, we can pour in more to others. And so I really want to do more retreats that are international.
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um So those are the things that are like for me and almost also for the world at large, in a way. And what I would love to call in to the world is a deeper understanding of what true self-love is. Because I believe when we really fully, authentically love ourselves, then we know that you and I are one. And if I love me deeply, that means I love you deeply.
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Because I can see me and you. I can see our combined humanity. I know that we have both traversed various things. And it allows me to be more compassionate to others because I know the compassion that I need for myself. And so that's what I want to call into the world. Like, fucking love yourself. Because when you do, baby, b you show up for everyone. Everyone. All right, I'm hearing it yeah That's what's up, all right, I love that that's beautiful so man, all right, so reaching deep feeling the love of
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knowing ourselves in order to create those connections, those real connections with the rest of the world that leads to world peace and harmony. like Let's be honest, that's where we're headed. so i mean Basically, what I'm hearing and you say is that like that's what your coaching is. That's why people need to come find you. So, but like real talk, like if somebody was looking for that type of healing, like where in their spirit are they gonna start? Like what are they gonna Google to find you or somebody like you? Like how did they get to this place? Well, I'm gonna be real with you. Ain't nobody like me. yes Just honest.
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I still see pieces of me and others and see me and you. And I still am a really strong individual. So you're not going to find nobody like me. If you want to work with me, you're going to go to robertdecease.com and book a consultation. That's what you're going to do. yeah periodate escavation mark do And there are others that just in case you don't resonate with me, there are other people who feel this way, right? Like the Nina Simone, like Jackson Redd, who you guys have talked to before. There are others out there. And what I would say that you search for is the thing that you think you need, right? Like on my website, you're going to find the words of self-love, self-pleasure, authenticity.
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And if that's what you're looking for and you type that in into Google, even though, you know, the optimization is. the thing But then you're looking for those keywords and I hope you find me, but if you're listening to this, then you can find me at ramadanese.com. ah so that You bring up a really good point though. but This is for any kind of, I feel like coaching therapy.
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Anytime you're trying to better yourself and you're creating this intimate relationship with somebody because you're letting them into a part of your life or just a certain aspect, I think it's it that you brought up a good point that it's like you are you, right? and But not everyone's going to be on that same wavelength and that's okay. there is there is a teacher out there, there is a coach, there is a therapist, there is someone that will be on your wavelength. It's so important to understand. A lot of times I feel like people are searching, sometimes I feel like they think they need a certain type of coach or a certain type of therapist or a certain type of something and they keep like striking out or they're like, this doesn't feel right or this
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And so if you are in a place like that, I would suggest taking a step back and maybe asking yourself, what are the things that you don't like about the coaches that you've worked with or the therapists and What is the opposite of that? And then look for that, right? So what are the things that you can, you can put on a thing like, Oh, I don't like how, you know, they talked about this or where these are what they kind of hold in values. Search for the opposite and then see if that, you know, changes. And so I think it's important. Uh, it's a really important thing to understand through this journey as we work with people.
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and we find people to help us find our best self, is that not everyone's going to be a match. I love that. im I'm so glad you brought that up, Mike, because um I think especially when it comes to like business things and finance things, people might think, oh, I need like a white guy with a tie. That's the only person who's going to know how to tell me about finances. And even when it comes to like you know, life coaching or like any type of improving your life, people might think, oh, well, I need some stereotype of what I think a life coach is supposed to teach me when to your point, Robin, it it really should be about what is that authentic longing that's happening inside of your heart.
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And how can you search for that? So it's like, it's like dating, right? It's like then the number one advice that anybody gives you is be yourself. So it's like, if you're looking for somebody who's going to help you in any aspects of your life, you got to bring your whole self to that search and find the person who feels feels good in here. And I'm like, you know, the thing that I love about my therapist is that I can literally sob in like ugly tears and whatever. And the next thing you know, we're like Kiki and Hihi Haha, whatever, you know, it's like, she's so black, and she's so Atlanta. And I'm like, I get you on every level, you know, and it's like that, that works for me. And so I think you're right, we have to. And that's why there are so many of us, right? And that's why we do practice in so many different ways, because
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there are billions of individuals on this planet. And so you got to find the right one who works ah for you. And they're out there, you know, that's a cool thing. They're out there. And they might be Rob and Denise. Come see. Come see, right? Like, come check it out. You better catch these blessings. Come on. I also do energetic touch. And so when I'm like doing energetic touch and I have my put flyer out, I'd be like, you better come catch these hands.
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Oh, that's so funny. I love that. um ah so I do want to just echo um Bevin, thank you for sharing that piece, Mike, because I really agree. That is a great tip, like think about what you did not like and what's the opposite of that, that I wholeheartedly i' mean I'm going to grab that one. out I will quote you for whoever I share it with. Well, and you know it's important that i and so like I feel like a lot of times in the work that I've found, I feel like people don't actually know what they want. They think they know what they want. And so if you are trying things and they aren't working, the thought of, oh, well, what does that person doing that you don't like?
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Rather than like, oh, this isn't a value that I hold dear, but like let's put it on the other person. What are the things that you didn't that didn like vibe with you or you didn't feel good about? Let's search for people that do the opposite or have a different set of values. that And then you may realize that that's what's actually important to you. Right. Bye. Let's do a little projection to help us. Get there, we gotta get things. All right, I love that. That's good, that's good advice. Well, so as we wrap up our time together, Robin, please let like leave leave the people with something. what is What is the thing that you want the folks to know the most? You are worthy of everything you desire. Everything you You're worthy of.
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And matter of fact, you more than worthy of it. It already desires to be yours. That's all. I claim that. Thank you. Well, on that note, this has been Dirty Money with Ben and Mike. If you have questions, if you need more Robin Denise in your life, any of those things hit us up. Come check us out on Instagram, Dirty Money underscore podcast. Come find Robyn Nees at robintonese.com. What's your Instagram Robyn? Robyn underscore Denise underscore. Robyn underscore Denise underscore. Come check them out. And also Robyn, I know you've been doing a bunch of events. um So those will be on your Instagram. So folks can come find you virtually or in person and catch your vibe.
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And you have a second book coming out. We didn't even talk about that. What is your second book going to be about? It is about the journey to my own sensuality and the tools that I use to get me there. So it's a narrative nonfiction where I'm telling you about this the freaky stuff that I did and the things that I uncovered and all of that, and then telling you the tools that I did. So what breathwork did I use? What meditation that I use? What books did I read? all those themes so that way you can if you don't get to do culture with me you can still use those tools and get started somehow so that's what that book is about um i was working on it this morning too so i'm excited it may be a couple years you know stuff be slow but you know what no we are manifested that it comes out sooner rather than later
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Okay. So coming soon. You gotta get that smart call. There it is. Yeah. Time down. Break it on down. Chunk it on down. Yeah. That's what's up. I love that too though. Cause that's literally like, that's what I was kind of trying to like pull out of you during the podcast. Like, so tell me what, tell me what the step C is. So what you're saying is I need to read the book. I need to wait for that. Okay. You don't need to wait. You just talk to me. Oh, okay. Like that's, that's going to happen. If I was like a regular person, I would wait for the book to come out, you know what I'm saying? Or, or I would go to session with Robin Denise on RobinDenise.com. That's what's up. All right. Well, cool. Thank you everybody. We love you so much. And until next time. Bye. Bye.
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