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The Key to Working Less, Living More, and Making Money Doing What You Love - Lessons from Eli the Naked Trumpeter
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SUMMARY
In this episode of Dirty Money with Bevin and Mike, our host, Bevin, is joined by Eli the Naked Trumpeter. Eli is a musician, performer, educator, entertainer, and creator. Today, they share how their love for music, unique sexual expression, and multiple passions have all come together to help them create a business they truly love.
After growing up in a non-traditional, open household, Eli served in the military. After their release, they reflected on their aspirations and began performing. This episode is about building a beautiful life in addition to a business.
Eli shares their approach to prioritizing their passions and interests, which has led to a fulfilling life and a strong foundation for their business ventures. By leveraging this foundation, Eli has been able to establish multiple streams of income that not only support each other but also generate passive income.
TOPICS
[1:55] The Naked Trumpeter
[18:55] Why This Work is Important
[26:55] Being Creative, Flexible, and Always Learning
[40:35] The Business Side
[47:50] What’s next for Eli
[59:15] Final Thoughts
RESOURCES & LINKS
Connect with Our Guest
Instagram:@naked.trumpeter
CONTACT INFO
Bevin Morgan:
Instagram: @bevinmorgan & @temple_eanna
Website: www.templeeanna.com & BevinMorgan.com
Mike Poulin:
Instagram: @mjpou56
Dirty Money Podcast:
Instagram: @dirtymoney_podcast
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Transcript
Introduction to Dirty Money Podcast
00:00:10
Speaker
Welcome to Dirty Money with Bevin. And Mike. A space to talk about financial topics for folks who don't fit into traditional financial spaces. We believe money is a tool for everyone. Our mission is to provide a literal microphone and platform for queer, BIPOC, polyamorous, and sex-positive individuals. No topic is off the table here.
00:00:31
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That being said, one tiny little housekeeping note. For those listening who may have others with sensitive ears, the listener discretion is advised because we do not censor ourselves. That's right. You've been warned, but enough from us. Let's get this episode started.
Introducing Eli Daniel, the Naked Trumpeter
00:00:53
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Welcome back to Dirty Money with Bevin and Mike. Today, it's just going to be Dirty Money with Bevin. Mike, unfortunately, is not feeling well, but that is okay because I am super excited to have an amazing guest with us today. And I'm just going to let you introduce yourself, please. So amazing guests, please tell us who you are, what you do, your pronouns, and anything else that you think that people need to know.
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Oh, wow. I don't always find it easy to talk about myself, but my name is Eli Daniel. I'm also known as a naked trumpeter, and I am a somatic kink artist, musician, performer, entertainer, and educator. Raps is the basic sum of what I do. I'm also an aspiring sound healer, aspiring yogi, and also aspiring Reiki master. Those are the three.
00:01:50
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arts that I'm currently learning and aspiring to master. That's what's up. So for the people in the back who don't already know, what does it mean to be a naked trumpeter?
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Oh, wow. It means a couple of things. So I'm a musician, and I'm
Eli's Unique Performance Style
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also a kinkster, and I basically just blended those two things together. So I have a show called Music and Kinks, where I am the music. Someone else's can be the kink, and sometimes I am the kink and the music as well. And it looks like a burlesque show. It can look like a strip show. It can look like a variety show. It can be a very vanilla show where there's just
00:02:30
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a performer and there's light dancing, but it can be all things. It can be full nude or it can be fully clothed. That's so much fun. And I've actually, I've seen you perform a handful of times and every single time it is a completely different experience, which I love. Um, I feel like you always bring like a little something extra to the show. There is always a surprise.
00:02:55
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Oh, wow. Oh, yeah. Actually, now that I think about it, I think you've seen me perform three times once in Atlanta at Sex Down South at the Big Bang and then twice actually back to back Saturday and Sunday at Exotica in D.C. So you are right. It's always a different show. And that's something I pride myself on. And I recognize that if you've seen one of my shows, I still want you to feel like, oh, my God, they did something different.
Exploring Gender and Performance
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By the way, my pronouns are they them.
00:03:25
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I want you to say, I saw that last time. God damn, they did this. They do this now. They do this. And that's kind of the intent. So the first time you saw me, I performed with Divine and Mo and it was, it was a threesome. That was the theme of the show. And then the second time you saw me was a cake sitting with a pole dancer. And then the last time it was a pole dancer, some trumpet. And it was like Cardi B versus Megan Thee Stallion. So the whole,
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whole different view each time. On the weekend, one show was much more mass center and the other show was much more queer femme center. So I tried to show the full depth of who I am as a human. So each performance looks different because sometimes I feel like what we call a quintessential girl or quintessentially a boy. And other times I don't really fit either category.
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And each show you kind of can see is like, oh, that's a, no, it's, that's a man. It's, oh, what the, that's, no, it's not. It's, oh, okay. Looks like a girl. Oh, it's a, oh, wow. So it's, it's not about confusion, but it's about the full expression of humanness where that we have both masculine and feminine energy. We can choose to embody them both or one more than the other and just live in whatever that means. And that's what music and kink is to me. That's so powerful. So.
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This isn't the direction I thought we were gonna go, but this is where we are now. So in your journey to exploring your gender and understanding who you are as a person and all of these different expressions, how has that changed for you over time? And when you're doing your shows, are you like very intentional as you're creating the act or do different things just kind of come out and play out differently while you're in the moment?
00:05:22
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So it happens two different ways. We're going to start with your last question.
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first and then go back to the first. So it happens two different ways. Sometimes somebody will book a show and they'll say they have a theme for the show and they'll say like Halloween or it's love or it's this. And what I do, because music in kinks to me is nothing more than a piece of artwork. So it's a picture in my head or it's a cinematic story that plays out. And so I have an idea and I'm like, Ooh, what would it look like if someone was sitting in a room playing trumpet and they had someone dancing for them?
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or someone was dancing to their playing, then what would it be like if someone came in and started doing these different things to the person while the person still played
Influences of Upbringing and Military Experience
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trumpet? So it's just different pictures of series of kinks that I have in mind. So sometimes it's bondage, sometimes it's sensual flogging.
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Other times it's more sadistic or more intense, depending on the mood that I'm trying to invoke. So I treat it like a micro movie or a short film that you're watching for the duration of most of my shows. My short show is about 10 minutes, but it's a slow bill. And it comes to me based on themes. And sometimes there are shows where I do. The only thing that is practice or choreographed is the music.
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all the choreography that you may see me do is I am improvising because there are certain skills that I practice all the time. And I'll go through a show knowing I have no idea what I'm going to do. But I do know I want to express whatever is the most whatever energy has the most potent form in that moment. And I'll just let it out. So I did a show where I improvised
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the entire my dance portion. And the only thing I did was practice twerking in different skill sets, but everything was an improvisation. Other times from start to finish is five, six, seven, eight, everything's by the numbers. They both have their own levels of stress and different nuances that is needed. But sometimes it feels like, ooh, I'm gonna make it up as I go. And sometimes, no, it must be like this. But how I got here, so growing up, I grew up in a household where
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The irony is a group in a very non-traditional sense while still being traditional. So there was still a religious structure as far as tradition, but my mom had a girlfriend and a boyfriend. My grandfather had four girlfriends and yet my grandmother, but we all knew about them. So that part wasn't a secret.
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And so because I grew up in a household that by today's standards will be queer and modern, no one said, boys must do this. Girls must do this. It was like, you need to wash dishes because you should. My grandmother told me how to sew iron and do all these domestic things. She's like, you should know how to sew and repair clothes if you need these things. So there was no one saying you can't do this because you're a boy or you can't do this because this is a girl things.
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My mom only told me just don't play her makeup. She didn't mind if I cross dress and things like that.
Emergence of Naked Trumpeter Persona
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For Halloween, she helped me. When I dress like a girl for Halloween, she gave me the outfit. She's like, this is what you need. You do this, get this, do this, do this. So she was instrumental in those things happening. So I knew something was different about me in some ways, but I didn't always know what. But as I got older, I was like, oh.
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I do like all genders, I like boys and girls. I think they're, because some of my first sexual experiences, actually my first sexual experiences were not with women, they were with male penis owners. So I didn't have an aversion to either or, and I didn't think one was gross or weird, it was nasty to like this or like that. So as I got older, the world around me, I joined the military, so I conformed to a picture of what you should be if you're a man, quote unquote.
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But after I got out of the military and I had time to actually sit and think of how I wanted to live and how I wanted to be, I was like, I'm only like this because of this archetype that I'm pretending to be because of the world I was in as a soldier. Once that was no longer an issue, I was like, oh, this is more like what I want to be like. This is what I was privately doing anyway. And so,
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When I started to perform again as a trumpet player, jokingly, I was on Facebook. And then when I play, I get hot. So I was taking off my shirt. And somebody's like, oh, take it off. And so then I did another stage show. And the stage lights are really, really hot. So I'm playing trumpet. And by the time I finished my show, I came in a full shirt and tie. But by the time I was done, I was basically in a wife beater. And then I ended up taking that off. And the crowd lost their shit. Everybody loved it. And the lady that was managing me was like, do that every time. And I was like, oh, no, I was just hot.
00:10:04
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I'm not trying to take my clothes off for anybody. Although I'm a nudist, I just never thought about blending the two together. I never thought about being a musician and being a nudist or doing kinky things on stage with music.
Balancing Activism and Personal Pleasure
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It just didn't make any sense. And when I did it and I got nice feedback,
00:10:20
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It was a joke one day, I did a flyer and I just put the neck of Trumpeter will be in Delaware. And it was a nude picture, but I am superimposed bricks over my body. When I say the show sold out and people that have never seen me play and I've known my entire life came out, people came from New York, Philadelphia. It was in Delaware, New York, Philadelphia, DC, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina. And they were mad because there was no nudity. And I was like, oh, it was just a joke.
00:10:46
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those series of events led me just to adopt the name The Naked Trumpeter and really perform in a nude, because people were actually asking for it. So during COVID, I traveled around doing speakeasies, performing burlesque shows, taking my clothes off, doing stripteases, and ended up full nude by still playing trumpet. And that was the birth of the start of what you see now, how I blended music and kinks together. I love how organic it sounds like that was.
00:11:18
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And it's interesting to me, though, because you say that after that first experience where you're hot and you're taking things off, you're like, oh, no, no, no. Like, this isn't I'm a serious trumpet player. I don't take my clothes off. And now clearly, you know, you do this whole kind of kinky fun, you know, out of the box performance. So I mean, what was there literally just
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Were you literally just like, this is what the people were? Or were you like, oh, I'm allowed to do this? Like, what was kind of the change there? Well, so I went to school for music. And when you're training, the part of the Delagmore indoctrination is take yourself seriously. You're a professional musician, classical music, jazz, or whatever you play. You worked hard to be a musician.
00:12:06
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But what I recognized, the funny thing is, even though I played in different orchestras, there wasn't any real, there was not enough gigs for that. And people would pay me more to play music off the radio. And so I had a couple of performances where somebody asked me to perform for a play party, but I just played music. And I was like, okay, so I don't mind. So I played, then I did some house parties like that.
00:12:29
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And I was like, well, why not just do them together? I said, the people that are in this lifestyle, well, they're not averse to nudity, and they might pay for this. And the people in this lifestyle, singers are already dancing and taking their clothes off, and people can still take them seriously. I was like, well, I'm just a singer that doesn't sing. I just play trumpet. So I thought about myself in that light. I was like, I'm going to do what Tank does, what Usher's doing, all these other performers are doing, because people want to be entertained. So I was like, oh, let me just,
00:12:59
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be my full self and just doing it in front of people. And so when I tell people I don't perform, I'm just sharing the things that I would do in my house. That's really what I'm doing. And that's what makes it easy to be whatever you're seeing when you see the show. Because I go, if y'all weren't here, I'd be at home doing the same shit. So then I'm just doing it. And I bought some along with my friends to help me.
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So it is a freedom to, you can do this and there's nothing wrong with it. And why not?
Turning Passions into Income
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The other thing is there's no one else, there's no competition within the genre of the niche that I'm in because most musicians, almost all of them, versus taking their clothes off. So they're like, I'm not taking my clothes off. Why would I do that? So there's no person else that's playing the trumpet and strip teasing and does kinks and cartwheeling and flipping and pole dance and fire twirling.
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And that's what I mean about when we did a pre-interview about taking my passions and turning them into products and services. Because income producing assets are the thing that I want to create. And my mentor used to tell me, if you are skilled at anything, you can sell those skills. So I was like, well, when I was younger, he made us start businesses out of hot dog stand, lawn care company, these different things. And I was like, I don't want to do any of that because I have no passion for it. But I get creating something that makes you money.
00:14:20
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So music in kinks is one thing that I have the naked trumpeter performing just like I do performances in a vanilla sense where I just play trumpet. The other arm of what I do is kink instruments where I actually make these things that are on the wall behind me. And then the adult entertainment part of it and content creation. I use these same things and most of that content and I sell them to people. So all the arms of the things that I do to make me money are part of my pleasure.
00:14:49
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But it just makes sense because I need to advertise what I'm doing anyway. And I need to advertise these things. So I was like, oh, put them in the videos that I make and I make instructional videos on how to use them. And so it makes sense to do that if I'm already making them and I'm already skilled in using them. So I sell that product in service to people.
00:15:06
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So it made sense to, if there's a demand for people to be visually entertained, I have people doing kinks. That's what they are. That's the part of the artwork, dancing, burlesque, being tied up. And sometimes we actually simulate erotic scenes on stage where you would believe, it's like the movie belly. You're like, oh my God, they're doing it. Can't see it, they're doing it.
00:15:26
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because people want to be stimulated and music is a gateway because you can hear something that's pleasurable and you also can see the thing. So part of the brand is bringing a live music video, if you will, and that's what I think about when I create the art. But in essence, I'm just selling my imagination and artwork to people. So that's how I look at it, because one of my favorite things to do is to externalize what's going on in my head.
00:15:55
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outside of my body and create. Regardless of what religious preference you have, we are creators and something created us. So everything that we see, the microphone, the headphones, the computer that we're interfacing through, someone created it from their imagination. And so for me, creating is the ultimate joy and pleasure of life. And then everything else, whether it be physical pleasure,
00:16:21
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But everything starts in their mind, so that desire to do something, that dopamine spike, and it's like, oh my God, it's the physical world, now it's happening. It's a whole, it's in alignment with how I want to live. So creating pleasure for myself and then helping people recognize that pleasure is your own birthright. Like when you see children, they're sucking their thumb, they're pulling their fingers.
00:16:42
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And they're playing with themselves in the same sense we do as adults, but then we centralize into one part of our body. So part of the things that I do when I educate is like, hey, hey, just touch your hands about five minutes. Just do this. Just go back and forth and see what that feels like. And the people are like, man, it feels really, really good. And I'm like, well, imagine what it would be like if you did this all over your body. And so part of the show when I'm in space is sharing these different things with people so I can sell the different services that they may or products they may need about that.
00:17:14
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And it's just a holistic way to sell people and share information that they would otherwise not really get. So
Living Authentically for Societal Impact
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I'm performing, I'm entertaining, but I'm also educating and also giving something away that they need for themselves. They need to see people living free. They need to see people loving themselves.
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people need to see people being authentically with whoever they are so they can feel free to say, oh, well, I kind of do think that's cool or, oh, that's awesome. And just see things they wouldn't normally see and then open their minds to the possibility that they too can create for themselves and create value that other people would want to purchase. And they don't have to be confined to the world as they were told it should be. They can see the world for the way they want. And that's part of
00:18:07
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I think that's part of what I'm doing in being myself because people say, oh, I didn't think someone that looked like me would be openly queer and could have a beard, but be non-binary and then present or wear a dress and then wear a suit the next day and be comfortable in that.
00:18:22
Speaker
So recognizing that we all have a gift in our gift mix room for us and all the spaces that we are, all I'm doing is taking my creativity, my imagination, all the things that make sense to me and then externalizing that in a way that people can understand and attach themselves to if it resonates with them is ultimately what I'm trying to do. That's amazing. And I do want to go a little bit more deep on that last concept that you just brought up, which is essentially the idea of
00:18:52
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the world needing this work because what you're doing is kind of holding up a mirror and saying, hey, look, like I'm living authentically, you can too. And what comes to mind is, are you familiar with Afro sexology? I think, I think it's two black women who started like a sex education platform. Okay. So
00:19:18
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just recently I received an email from them saying that they're kind of taking a hiatus. And the reasons that they put forward is that they're having a hard time understanding like their mission in this world, you know, this like big crazy world that we live in, right? So they're like, there's this war in Palestine and people are being persecuted. And how can we say, oh, all you need is to be like kinky and sexy and have fun and just, it feels
00:19:47
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disorienting to them. And so based on what you were just saying in terms of the importance of the work that you're doing, I would just love to hear your opinion on why is this work so important? How does it change the world in your opinion? Well, the world has a micro world and a macro world. And I like to live in them both because I recognize the macro world, there's always hurt. There's always trauma.
00:20:18
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But the polar opposite is true. There's joy and there's pleasure. And so yes, the war in Palestine is going on. The transatlantic slave trade went on for a long time and people around the world still live their lives.
00:20:33
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And when we have ignorance of these things, it's easier to be like, okay, these things aren't going on. But once you have knowledge, yes, it doesn't change the fact that in the big picture, these things are happening, but on the daily scale of life, I need pleasure to deal with all the stress because the way our body is designed, the thought of pleasure brings a dopamine spike, just the thought of it, not even the actual experience
Empowerment Through Self-Expression
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of it. So the thought of pain,
00:21:01
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The thought of trauma, not even the experience, brings cortisol and stress in the body. So the reason why it's so important to live in the present, what's happening in front of you right now, the thing that you can tangibly touch, feel, taste and see, while still recognizing what's happening out here is still important, is because if I can't put the oxygen mask on for myself, there's no way I can help.
00:21:27
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in any real way for the people out here. But it's not just Palestine. If we want to be activists, we have to be activists within our local communities, within ourself first, within our local communities, and elect our mayor, our local city council representatives, who have a direct effect impact on us, then our states, and then our federal. If we're not interacting on that level, talking about Palestine, yes, it has an impact, but then only the way that you can have any form of impact is monetarily
00:21:58
Speaker
However, if you don't have enough people, that impact doesn't do anything, just inconvenience you. So showing love has a greater impact than showing hate does. If the people in front of me are hungry, but I'm worried about Palestine.
00:22:17
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being a patient, being a neighbor, being a good person that's in front of me. So dealing with what I can in front of me. So I help the homeless people in my neighborhood. I go to soup kitchens and feed people because I can tangibly do that. I can't do anything tangible for right now for Palestine. I can donate money to these organizations, but tangible in a way that I know they're getting help.
00:22:40
Speaker
But if I can help them, but I don't have the people that I can see in my neighborhood, where's the love in that? So focusing on your own pleasure and the pleasure of the people that are around you, the joy that the people around you has love in yourself and in your personal community. And that spills over through your larger and broader community. But the love has to start here, has to start home. So I have to worry about, because as a brown person, I have to worry about brown and black people first.
00:23:06
Speaker
And then I can expand to what's going on in Palestine across the world. But there's always trauma. And I don't want to be disingenuous, but I recognize that when the water was going on in Detroit, nobody was stopping their life. It didn't phase people.
Monetizing Personal Activities
00:23:21
Speaker
in the same way we want to be phased about Palestine and the death is just different one because I'm a former soldier one is just more tragic in the sense of it's happening and you see it this way but you got people dying from dirty water the slow death that looked just like you and me in Michigan so
00:23:38
Speaker
knowing those things are going on in the world and the trauma is always there. My goal is to make sure that I'm living in the present moment within my micro space and let the love within inside of me radiate outwardly. And it's important because if I am depressed, who can I help? So that's why I say the mission to live out loud and to live boldly is important because on the micro scale, the people that I interact with need to meet a happy, queer human.
00:24:07
Speaker
They don't need to see a shame to create a human because their idea, the ideas they have of us are already kind of miscued for many different reasons. So then work is important.
00:24:18
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as a queer human to show up in space and say, this is who I am. And we are all here. We are your neighbors. We are your this, we are your that. And we deserve equal space. It's important to still be an artist and still to live because we live in a capitalist society. So to pretend that I have the wherewithal to protest and do all these things where they won't affect me and not worry about my immediate needs is
00:24:45
Speaker
It's disingenuous to sound good and say I'm for the cause, but you have to be for the cause of self, which is the most important thing. So it's important to always hold that light and show that love outwardly.
00:24:59
Speaker
Think about Prince. Think about Michael Jackson. Think about James Brown, a little richer. All the artists that stood out, they were uniquely themselves. And they kind of gave you permission. Prince made it cool to say, ah, these little noises. And Michael Jackson made it cool to be skinny and take your shirt off and not have muscles and still be sexy and do ballerina type dances. And James Brown made it cool to have your hair, you know, permed and curled and wear tight pants.
00:25:28
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And they would just be in themselves. So being yourself is the most important thing you can do because people gravitate towards authenticity. And hopefully that's how I feel about the answer to your question. It's just being yourself is the most important thing. And it is the only message you have. I am this person. This is who I am. This is what I believe in. I'm going to show it to you.
00:25:51
Speaker
whether you have a platform or not, that's how everybody should be living, I believe, being the authentically best self you can be. I really appreciate that message because I think it does speak to the idea that, one, we are our tool, right? So it's like,
00:26:13
Speaker
Yes, you can protest. Yes, you can not go to Starbucks. Yes, you can donate money to different causes, but you're absolutely
Multifaceted Business Management
00:26:21
Speaker
right. At the end of the day, your most powerful tool is yourself, your self-expression and how you're showing up authentically as yourself. So I think it is very important to just broadcast back acro-sexology if you're listening to whomever is watching and listening right now,
00:26:40
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show up as much as yourself and bring as much pleasure to yourself and the people around you. And I do also believe that's how we make a difference in this world. So pivoting a little bit, something that you brought up earlier is this idea that you're not just a naked trumpeter, you are multi-talented.
00:27:01
Speaker
And, um, despite all of the things that you're in the process of learning and adding to your tool belt, there are a lot of things that you already do. So will you please just enumerate all of your businesses that you've got going on right now? Well, I look at them as one, one, but the different arms. So kinkstramas, these are kinkstramas. They're these implements, they're floggers, they're whips, they're,
00:27:31
Speaker
Engrave on machetes swords you use them in kink in erotic play And then I have a production company that makes that produces kink Kinky videos in which I use the same implements
00:27:47
Speaker
And then I also do adult entertainment production or erotic production. And I am not always in those videos. And so that's a complete separate thing. And then as an entertainer, where I go as the naked trumper and just play trumpet, was a naked trumper, I am taking off my clothes and doing music in kinks, which is one aspect, a never an aspect. The other aspect is just trumpet performance. As Eli Daniel, I have on clothes and I accompany different artists and I just play to back them up.
00:28:18
Speaker
So two of them are in the vein of music. The third one, another one is music production. I produce my own music and I help other artists with their music. And I play on other artists' tracks.
00:28:29
Speaker
So it just makes sense because I have a music production and audio visual production and music production company. Then I make these and I perform with these, all my stage shows and in my videos, they all just work in synergy together. I don't have my implements anymore and I sell them.
Financial Goals and Lifestyle Vision
00:28:47
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So this business pretty much, the implement business funded my audio visual and music production company.
00:28:56
Speaker
And then when I started making money with that, I took that money and I started using that money to do my small tours. And so each part of the business, now the production company of Kinks, the production company of Audio, Visual and Music, they all take care of themselves and they make enough money. So basically my rent is $18,900 last year is going to go up this upcoming year.
00:29:26
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But my production company that produces music and audio visual content made enough money to pay my rent for the year. And so we were talking about income producing assets. And so I recognize I have a certain cost of living. And my goal is just to each have whatever business I'm in to take care of itself, but also cover a different cost of my life. So I just did Exotica, literally. And all the money that I made in Cash App,
00:29:53
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literally bought my outfits for my production company. The money I made at Sex Down South, bought all the leather that I needed to make all these for the next two shows. So anytime I want to do something, I'm like, oh, let me create a product and or a service that I know people are looking for. And if I get into creating of leads, then the leads from whatever I generated, whatever I produce, purchase is the thing that I want to get. So I got to travel to Costa Rica.
00:30:20
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in February and I'm like, well, I really don't want to buy the plane ticket. So what I did is, I mean, you can go on my social media and track this, it's like, I'm not making these things up. So I was like, whoa, I'm going live December 24th. I'm going to do a live December 23rd, 24th when we play music in the nude. And I'm selling subscriptions to one of my sites for that. And I'm going to take that money and I'm going to buy my plane ticket.
00:30:46
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And so that my goal is to always create something when I have a need. So I'm like, Ooh, I want to go shopping and I want to spend a thousand dollars on outfits or a thousand dollars on this or that.
00:31:01
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I will make more floggers. When I sell the floggers and I have the money for the thing that I want to purchase, my goal is to never use my personal money to buy anything. My goal is to not do that. It's to always use my business to take care of my body and all the things I need. And that's what we were talking about, an income producing asset. I don't like liabilities. I had to board a new vehicle. I own a 2003 Honda Accord.
00:31:30
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My children buy vehicles all like 19-year-old, 23-year-old, 22-year-old. It's just working cars. I was like, yo, I got you. I'll co-sign and help you. But I personally don't want to buy any vehicle because I recognize it's nothing but a liability. I'm like, I'll buy a car of cash because it's just a car. It's just a tool. I don't need to flaunt a tool because it doesn't do anything but depreciate in value. And then, oh, I got to put money into a tire, get all these things. It's just a tool for me.
00:32:00
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So I like buying things that I know will generate me money. So I own property in Jersey. And my goal is to get other assets because I'm like, oh, all I got to do is hold onto this. And it went from when I first got it, it was valued at, I think at 400,000 and the last evaluation is at 900. So all I did was hold something.
00:32:25
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from 2015 to now and the value has increased tremendously. So the way I look at it is if it's not going to make me, and Ho say it all the time, it don't make dollars, it don't make sense. And that's a real statement. So I'm like monetizing everything that you can. I literally took a bath earlier. I have fans that want to see that. So I'm going to give them that product and they can have
Reflections on Personal Growth and Future Plans
00:32:48
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that.
00:32:48
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And that's what I mean about monetizing my pleasure. And also that's how I, that's how I make my money. So I do a lot of solo videos and a lot of, because I can give myself a fellatio. I make videos doing that. I make videos doing all these things. And like, if you want to see it, I want to be compensated for it. And so that's just the model that I use for everything.
00:33:11
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And it just makes sense because again, if I'm going to make these and I'm already using, making instructional videos, I'm going to sell those instructional videos and I'm selling these, but then I do adult entertainment videos with the same things that I make. And so it just makes sense. Every time I buy an outfit, well, it's a business expense. You know, those types of things. Go ahead. So the financial coach in me has so many follow-up questions.
00:33:40
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and thoughts and opinions. But the first thing that I do want to say is twofold. On the one hand, you are a Black folk like me. And on the other hand, you are an adult entertainer. And I feel like so both of those things together, I feel like Black folks
00:33:59
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be doing the most and I feel like adult entertainers be doing the most. And so when you put those together, you'd be doing the most, most. So you just, you just enumerated like seven different business arms. So tell me just like, how, how do you balance all of these things? What gets priority? Well, they, they, nothing in everything. And what I mean by that is they all work together. Okay.
00:34:27
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And I have a schedule that I worked out with my partner. So the Kingstraments gets a lot of attention three times a year. And that happens right before, because I schedule all of my conventions, September, December. So pre-September is a charge to build all these, cut all the materials. And then once that's done, it's a law. So Kingstraments just takes a law.
00:34:55
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Playing trumpet is a 24 hour 365. Thanks. I'm always playing trumpet. That way it can be available already when I have a performance. And then I practice with these daily. So again, whenever I need to make a video or someone needs a class or I got to perform, I'm always ready with that.
00:35:12
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So some things are just cyclical and the other things with the shorter, smaller cycles and then larger cycles. So I put everything in a cyclical tracker so that way nothing has to pull all of my time. And I know what things will take more time in what parts of the year. So it's priority based on is project based. Okay. That actually, thank you for that because I feel like I was like, I don't, I don't know how they do it.
00:35:39
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It just feels like that makes a lot more sense. It all kind of feeds into each other on a structural like calendar basis based on where you'll be and things like this. Yeah. And then unification helped me, but I hired people to do specific tests. I no longer edit and take all the pictures and videos. So I hired people to do different things. So it takes less of my time. Gotcha. How long have you been doing all of this? Like, when did you start?
00:36:09
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When did you transition out of the military and did you go directly into adult entertainment? What is that journey? 2011 and then I didn't start this until like 2018. Okay. Publicly 2018 as far as selling these different things and being the neck of trumpet was 2018. Wow, okay. There was time in between. So you're like five years into this part of your life journey basically.
00:36:39
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as it being my forward facing work, yes. Okay. Wow. Well, and I mean, I just feel like that's so impressive though, because obviously you've grown an amazing brand, you have a huge reputation and the fact that you're speaking to
00:36:54
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having additional folks in your business who you're delegating things to, I think that's huge. Anything that's something that a lot of people, especially in the adult entertainment industry, are very hesitant to do and have a tendency to not move forward with, even though it's the thing that can help you grow your business. I'm not trying to own a job. That's not my goal.
00:37:17
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So implementation, unification, communication, and creativity are the four ways in which I believe you can make money. Implementation is hands-on. I do not need to be, nor do I desire to do all. I don't need the pride of saying, I did every part of it. There's no pride.
00:37:34
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I don't have that as an ego thing, so I was like, oh, I'd rather say, I paid them to do that, because then I could do the shit, because there are days that I only want to play video games. Like today, I literally, before we did this, I sat in the car, chilled out, wrote some emails, I took a hot bath for 30 minutes, shot a video, came down, did this. After this call, I have one client today at four o'clock, and I'm going to a party. So I only worked,
00:38:04
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literally three times a day I created a product at before we did this I'm talking to you I have one service to render and I'm taking the rest of the day off so it's important for me to control my time and unify my business by
Conclusion and Community Connection
00:38:19
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hiring other people and delegating and I recognize yes I will spend money on this but I can't make I make way more money through delegation than I do doing all the implementations and so recognize when you're building a business
00:38:33
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Employees get paid monthly or weekly or biweekly.
00:38:37
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but that's not how businesses operate. So I don't have the mindset of being an employee. So I don't, I'm not looking for my business to make money today. I'm looking forward to making money every day over time. And by the end of the year, I'm like, damn, I've made this much money. I paid all these bills. I've done these things, but I'm not looking at paying myself every day because I already am taken care of in that manner. So I'm not, that's not a worry. And it allows me to focus on unification and creating more items and creating more value.
00:39:08
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Well, and you said three other things. You said there's four ways to make money. I already say implementation was the first one. What are the other three? Unification, which is management. And so when I hire people to free up my time, that's what I call unification. And then communication. So when I'm communicating the solution to your problem, I'm communicating
00:39:32
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And I'm making money through that medium. And so this YouTube, for me, is pouring up X videos. I'm communicating a product that I already made. So I still got to implement it by being in the camera, doing all that. But then the unification part is hiring people to do things that I don't want to do and I don't need to do. And then creativity. I'm using my imagination to create. All these things were in my head. So that's what I mean by creativity.
00:39:59
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So that's what I mean, how I want to make money. The way I prefer is through creativity. I prefer these things, making products, making services. And I want to hire other people to be the Reiki person, to be the yoga instructor. I don't always want to be doing those things. Interesting. So I'm going to circle back around to that.
00:40:23
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As I told you before we started this call, I am going to ask you money questions. So across all of these businesses, high level, whatever you're comfortable with, like how much money are you actually making at all this stuff? All right. So let's start with, let's do it this way. From before me, from this year just before me.
00:40:46
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And so I only made $4,000 for getting on stage playing the trumpet. None of my performances, time-wise, were more than two hours. Okay. Each show, I told you, my shows are 10 minutes. So, I made $4,000 this year, only $4,000, but this being on stage for less than 10 minutes each time, and I only had seven, eight shows.
00:41:18
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So that's one part. From the King Sherman side, I only did two actual conventions. Each convention, I made about $4,500. But literally, it only took me, each time I did the building, seven days. So $4,500 for seven days worth of work.
00:41:44
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for both times I did the convention. So it was this year, twice. So that's one part, that's the second part of the business. The production part of the company, up to date, we made about 18,000. And that's only 18,000, but again, my rent is 18,900.
00:42:04
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And when people, I reckon, I know we don't always think about it. Rent is one of our largest bills. So my production company up to date only made about 18,000 and that's still good because my rent is 18,900 and it's not December 31st yet. So I believe that I'll clear that.
00:42:25
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And then what's the last part? Music production. I only made about $2,000 for music production, but that is in royalty, so that will happen in perfect tune. I don't have to do anything, and that money will just keep coming. I like that. Hopefully it will grow based on more.
00:42:43
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more streams because you only get, if you don't recognize the payouts, listen to pennies. So it's like 0.0005% of a penny eat for each stream. So it's a low amount. You got a lot of streams to make any money, but those are things. So I'm making money for work that I do one time. And then from that one point in time, it just continues to snowball.
00:43:10
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And for me, that's not so collectively, after we have this conversation, once I do my taxes, I can tell you all the, I'll answer your questions. You guys will print out from it, but what I like about it,
00:43:24
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is the year before I made about 35 from each, you know, collectively. And it's still, it's not a lot of money, but for me to do something one time and then continuously bring the money in and the brand only gets bigger. And now I have different partners where I'm being sponsored to talk about different products and make money from that. So my income will increase in that way. So it's really cool because at the end of the day, I started off
00:43:50
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in my basement just kind of messing around. And then my mom was like, you should take this seriously. And what I've learned is I've made more money from unification than I did from implementation. So as I've hired other people to do different things, I did dish out a lot of money. So this year I made less money, but I hired people. There's less profit. However, the business has grown faster from hiring those people because more people, more hands are doing the work.
00:44:18
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So my goal, my financial goals for next year is to be doing triple what I did this year.
00:44:25
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just because the productivity I've had from hiring more people. So it's been exciting. And to me, business, having a business is just like gambling. It's no different than the stock market is a gamble. It's no different than putting your money in a bank. It's all a gamble. You hope it's going to be there, but it's better than putting the money under your mattress because cash on hand never appreciates. So it's fun. And there's a lot of things I had to learn. And it's a different way to approach living.
00:44:55
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However, it's good shit to know that in the day I control my time and the goal, my partner was like, how many days are you going to leave the house? I said 10 days a month just for work. So this month of December, three days of exotica, December 13th, I have a job. I think we have a thing on the 19th and the 23rd and I'm working New Year's Eve. So
00:45:22
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It's great. And now that I'm understanding more about the business I'm in, there are other ways that I can make money and monetize. I'm like, oh, so I'm going to be in different spaces and recognizing that I'm going to be less kinky and less overtly sexual and more vanilla because there's certain platforms. It's like, you got a lot of views, but we won't monetize you because we demonetize this type of content. Just recognizing how I can be in different spaces and still be myself and what that looks like.
00:45:50
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And over time, it will give me more revenue. So the one thing I care the most about, I don't really care about money upfront. I'd rather have resources, and I'd rather have money over time. So I like annuities. I like annual things. I like to be paid this annually, knowing what I'm going to get. I like royalties. I like if I give you this, give me $25. But over each year, every time you do this, I get $1 from it. Because that accumulation is a higher payout than taking $10,000 right now.
00:46:20
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So I like doing things like that. And I just like trying different things within the world of money because you can take other people's advice, but everybody's success is their own and you may not have the success they have. So you have to try things and do things and see what works and what doesn't. Yeah. So, well, that is one thing that we say over my part of the world, personal finance is personal.
00:46:44
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So it's exactly what you just said. I could come to you and be like, all right, Eli, you need to invest in these products and put this much money in this account and blah, blah, blah. By the end of the day, if it's not
00:46:57
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If it doesn't speak to your spirit and soul, you're not going to continue to do those things. So I totally hear it coming from. If residual income is what moves your spirit, then that's what you need to be working on building. So that's exciting to hear that you've got projects going on, getting those annuities, getting those royalty checks in the door. Those are the best. I don't like trading time for money. So if I could do something once and continue to get paid for it, I'm here for that.
00:47:26
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Oh, absolutely. We could have a whole conversation just about that, but next time. That being said, I do want to ask one more question, and then of course, if there's anything that you just want to say to the world, we're going to do that. My last question is around the future for you. I know you are training in Reiki, you're training in yoga, you talked about potentially moving to Costa Rica.
00:47:56
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So will you please just let the people know what, what's in the future for you? Like what's, what's coming up? So I already met, did my Reiki level one and I've already done, I've already been certified in warrior yoga and it's different types of yoga. But what I've learned from my own personal injuries, having a lot of spinal injuries, cervical spine, lumbar spine, sciatica spine injuries, yoga has been very helpful. Stretch and movement has been helpful.
00:48:25
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I used to get Reiki therapy and I was like, you're not even really touching me, but I feel better every time I go. And so having those modalities.
00:48:35
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And fully understanding being able to articulate to people the reason why will help me help people through my own showing of when I couldn't walk and I was on crutches and I had all these issues. And it was like, what did you do to lose weight? What were you doing? I was like, oh, I was doing yoga and I was going to see a Reiki practitioner. I was doing this. So those things I'm learning and mastering because they were part of my own recovery.
00:48:57
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And I want to help other people and show people, like I used to be 300 pounds. And when I showed people the picture, it was like, God damn, that was you. It was like, it was. And so being able to share what that journey looks like into how I'm this size now at 210 pounds, but my skin would deuce back to my body. And I do have stretch marks, but I don't have flabby skin, but I didn't have weight loss surgery. So.
00:49:19
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When people ask me, I'm like, oh, this is what I did. And I want to be able to have the knowledge and understanding of the why the yoga helps and the why Reiki helps and the why these different modalities are helpful. But Costa Rica, I recognize living in a place where there's less stress is better for the body and the system. So that's what Costa Rica is about. So, I mean,
00:49:43
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Honestly, I didn't know that we were potentially losing you from the States. What's your timeline? What are you going to do when you get out there? What's it all about?
00:49:56
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Well, this is the thing. My plan is in 2025 to be living in Costa Rica. I've lived abroad a lot of different places and each country that I lived in, I just recognize that they're not stressing over a lot of things. Their cost of living is lower. It's just a slower pace of life.
00:50:15
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But I'll be back in the States whenever. I'm still going to do the conventions that I'm doing now. I'm still going to keep my annual shows that I have in the States, but my everyday living, because I'm just setting up my life in a way that... See, the thing about my companies, the reason why I like them, and I'm happy that only 30,000, only this is not a big number, but it's like
00:50:38
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It's making that money, and I've already done the work. So when I stop doing the specific things that I'm doing, I'm still gonna keep that same income, but I don't have to do the work ever again. And that's why I like it. So when I live in Costa Rica, I don't have to shoot any more partner scenes. I have about 700 already shot, and I can still shoot solo by myself, because I don't need anybody for that.
00:50:59
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And for me, because I'm going to take a shower, I'm going to take a bath and do these things, I'm always going to be able to produce something that will make me money. And that's what I like about it. So when I go back to doing nothing.
00:51:12
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and I'm just playing video games and chilling and laying in the sun, I will still be making the money that I am now, but with no effort attached to it. There will be no more, I won't be making these anymore. I'm actually hiring someone to apprentice to teach them all the different ways that I make these, so they'll be making them for me. So all the parts of the business that I am physically doing now, by 2025, I will no longer be a part of.
00:51:40
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I'll still do the sketches and designs for these, but someone else will be able to make them.
00:51:45
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I'm solidifying the different designs that I'm going to keep using. So I'm doing things now to scale the businesses that I'm in because they've already been producing at the level they are. I'm like, ooh, I got to scale. That's what I said about unification. I got to hire people to do all these things because I want my time. My time is worth paying you $1,500 a month. It's worth it. My time to not build these. And that's what I've been thinking about. So I want to own my time. And that's what the business part of this is for me. That's why I said I don't want to pay for a job.
00:52:14
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So whenever I don't own my time, that's what I feel like I'm working. And it's a job whenever I can say, oh, I can hire you to do this how much you want. Don't worry about it. And that means more to me than saying I built because I did build it, but I did every night. I'm good. I don't need to do that. So that's what Costa Costa Rica to me will represent that I let go all the different arms of the business and I no longer have to directly do it.
00:52:44
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unless I'm performing on stage. That's the thing I have to do. But I won't be building these. I'll already hired a photographer and videographer and cinematographer for the production company. So they'll be still producing content for me. But that's what Costa Rica represents, the freedom to just teach a yoga class. Say, hey, I'm going to be in the States. Let's do a pop-up yoga class. I'll be doing a Reiki this month. Because those are services that I don't mind offering to people.
00:53:11
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But because these other things will be in place, I'll have the resources. I'll be able to say, Oh, I want to be in New York this week. And this is what I want to do. And I don't want to do anything else. So that's what the goal is. And that's what Costa Rica, that idea of Costa Rica represents to me. That's so amazing. And what I love about that whole idea is that one, not buying a job.
00:53:37
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Owning your own time. I think that concept is hugely important and the fact that you have this talisman this like future vision word idea concept that you can
00:53:52
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clearly visualize that I feel like is helping you manifest that next step. And I think that's so important for people to hear and understand. It's like when you can truly see the life that you are creating, when you can like close your eyes and live in that true life, that's when you're able to get to that point because it's not hazy, it's not confusing. You know where you're going and what it means. And I think that's really cool. That's exciting.
00:54:21
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In 2017, I wrote down how I wanted to live and what it would be, what it would feel like to live openly and say, well, I'm polyamorous, why am this, why am this? What would it look like to have a partner that lives here, to have a lover that lives in this state? What would it look like if I could do anything that I wanted whenever it was I wanted? And I was like, well, how do I build a life that does that?
00:54:49
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the steps became very clear. My mom was a hoe. She was like, why aren't you doing this? And I was like, well, I am doing it. She said, why are you doing it for free? So me on Facebook Live doing some kinky things. And she asked me, how much money did you make? And because I know she is, she'll tell you she's a whore because she gets her money up front. I knew what she meant from that. And I was like, oh, well. And once I recognized I could monetize what I am doing,
00:55:17
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and help other people in their own journey. I was like, well, why not? And so that's what I mean about taking creativity or creating a product and a service that will make me money or that has proven in the past to make me money. So I'm like, Oh, let me give you something new. Let me give you this. And so it makes sense to, and it was a mindset shift. It's just recognizing that you can create your own wealth.
00:55:43
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And you have all the resources inside. You don't really need anything but to take the steps. I had to learn all the facets of how do you produce and what is this? What is this? How do you make content? Then once I understood it, I was like, well, I can hire somebody else because I need more help. And so there's a part of learning that has to happen.
00:56:03
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And I think that's the hardest part to create something for yourself that makes you money is you have to learn the skill. You have to give up entertaining yourself. You have to say, like I plan when I want to play my video game. I plan when I'm going to fuck off.
00:56:18
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But most days I'm not. Most days I'm training in this kink skill. I'm practicing trumpet. I'm working on this project and I'm planning out this or that. But I plan for my pleasure. I plan to not do anything. Tomorrow, I'm not doing anything until nine o'clock at night. I'm going to sit home and play video games for seven hours. And then I'm going to go out on a date tomorrow night. Sunday is another video game day. I'm doing video games with mushrooms.
00:56:45
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Next week on the 14th, I'm going to play virtual reality video games. I promise you, so when people will be like, what do you do at the time you're not working? I'm like, fucking have fun. I spent all this time. The reason why I spent five years building a business that can make me money and can cover the cost of my life, cover my groceries, cover my rent, cover the maintenance of my car.
00:57:08
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because I recognize I don't want to use the money that's in my bank account to take care of myself. I don't want to use my retirement money. That makes no sense for me. So when I say live off an annuity, that money that I get every year, I don't want it to ever dwindle. I want it to grow. So if I can't grow it because I'm living off of it, that doesn't make sense. I was like, I don't want to get out of the job. I'm going to build a business that makes money. And that's what I've been doing over time. And now I'm at the point where I need to hire more people.
00:57:37
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And I will bring less money in, but I can't bring more money in if I don't have more people doing the same work that I was doing. So I was like, if I was, if I could make $40,000, but I'm doing all the work, how much more if I can hire three people, I mean, three people, four people, five people. So I was like, Oh.
00:57:55
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The price principle says if you have two people work, two plants, one plant is gonna produce 50% of your income. And so once I started recognizing this shit to be true, I was like, well, God damn it. If I could hire four people, I could double, I could quadruple, I could exponentially create more wealth for myself. So that's the goal, is to find people that have the skillset, that wanna work, hire them, so I'm no longer doing any part of this, so I can just sit on my ass all day and fuck off. What video?
00:58:27
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If you can make $40,000 and you're the only one doing all the work or you can hire five people and they earned you collectively $240,000 and you pay them the $200,000 and you're still making $40,000.
00:58:42
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I'm like $40,000 for work that you don't have to do is better than $40,000 for work that you have to do on your own. So I'm right here with you. I hear you. All right. Well, so we have been talking for a long time. You have really been dropping some major gyms too. I'm excited to like.
00:59:01
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I don't know. I'm excited for the people to hear this episode, but also there's some stuff that I just want to be like, and listen to this piece and now listen to that piece. But all of that being said, is there anything that you want to leave the people with? Just like a final word from the mouth of Eli Daniel. Find people that are doing the thing that you're doing and that are successful, but just know that when they tell you their path, it's their path.
00:59:26
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But their success will show you that there's a way that you can be successful within that same field. And that's what I did. I found people that were doing the same thing. And I said, legitimately, show me what you're doing. How are you making money? And that was how I started. So that's what I would say. If you want any business that you want to get into, any field, find someone that's doing it that is actually doing the thing you want to do and is successful at it. And just ask questions.
00:59:50
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I needed to hear that. Thank you for that. I'm going to go find somebody today. I don't know who, but that's my homework. I need to go find that person. So I appreciate you. This has been amazing. You're great. Thank you for sharing your time and your words with us. You're great. Also, the thing I want to say is we need to find somebody like you. So you are a person. We talked about this recently. You are a person that I want to say, listen,
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I actually want to give you this much money and I want you to help me grow it. And we talked about it. So it's like every month I fuck off about $750. So I'm like, well, I want to give you 500 of that, Bevin. And this is what I want in return. I don't know what I recognize, because I recognize that your service is so important, the things that you are doing for the people that look like me. I want to say look like me, brown people, non-binary people, queer people, and especially femme-centered people.
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you are a service that we need. So I want to use your service because it makes no sense to talk to you about this and then say, oh, not use the service. I really legitimately want to say, here's some money. Let's play this game. Let's see how much you can grow from this money.
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because I think it proves your concept of your skillset and your knowledge, and it helps people. It'll help you and help the community see that you are legitimately and really invested in what you're doing. So that's what I want to do. And I'm putting this on this platform because you're going to share it with people. It's, that is real now. It's out there now. We said it. Well, let's do it. Well, it'll be an experiment. We'll put it on the internet. We'll show the people. Okay. Yeah.
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All right, cool. Let's just go. All right, Eli, you're amazing. I'm going to talk to you soon. Everybody who's watching, we love you. If you have any questions for Eli, if you want to have Eli back, if you
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