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Meghan Markle, Part 3
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On today's episode, we talk about what we really thing happened during Meghan's mysterious trip to Toronto.
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Introductions and Episode Focus
00:00:00
Speaker
Welcome to Fixate Today, Gone Tomorrow. I am Nikki and I'm here with my Aunt Joy. We are two neurodivergent ladies who obsess about various topics. Joy is autistic and I have ADHD and we are letting our hyper-fixations fly. Today we are fixating on Meghan Markle.
00:00:31
Speaker
Welcome back everybody. Thanks for your patience with letting us release that little mini Megan, Megan mini sewed as mini Megan sewed like be stronger. So just a heads up. I am still recovering. Half of my family is going down, has gone down with this illness. I'm going to do my best not to cough too much.
00:00:53
Speaker
And my voice isn't going to sound 100 percent. um And I do have pneumonia. So I am kind of running out of breath faster. I worked last night and I kept trying to explain something to a patron and having to be like, hold on, I need to breathe. So just be be kind, be patient. We're doing our best here.
00:01:14
Speaker
Okay, so this is Joy, caveat for me. This story is actually one of the top reasons we started our podcast. I have been thinking about this and know this and inside and out for years. But when I actually had to write it down and make notes, it was like impossible for me, very hard. So anyways, I was trying to do like notes and be organized and it's just impossible.
00:01:42
Speaker
So if I'm a little all over the place, then I'm sorry.
Rumors and Speculations on Meghan's Pregnancy
00:01:47
Speaker
It's just who I am. So all right. So Megan and Harry, you've kind of heard our like overview of of what's going on in their relationship.
00:01:57
Speaker
so far. But there's always been this one thing, I think, that has been overshotting. There's always been this one thing that seems like it caused a lot of problems. And and really, it it has a lot to do with the Megan's pregnancy with Archie. So the first pregnancy? Oh, yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah, her first pregnancy when they were still in London, still part of the world, still senior royal members and such.
00:02:26
Speaker
So we've talked about, and then people, there's been rumors about like surrogate ads, you know, like the baby's not even there is at all. And then they have like a doll and the baby's not Harry's. Um, and I'm just going to give you an overview to start with about what I think. So I do think Megan gave birth to the baby, to Archie. I do think that he is Harry's biological child.
00:02:56
Speaker
I do think she used one of those prosthetic moon bumps in part of her pregnancy. So I do believe in all those things. But there's a reason and that I think this all happened that hasn't fully been discovered specifically. I think this all goes but goes back to one week or weekend that was sort of in the news, but also sort of covered up.
00:03:25
Speaker
And I think that that week changed everything. Okay. Okay. So in mid August of 2018, so they had been married for quick math Nikki.
Meghan's Secret Trip to Toronto
00:03:41
Speaker
Oh gosh. I don't need, I don't know. It left my brain already. About. Not long. Several months. I mean, not sorry. A few months. Yeah. Yeah. So.
00:03:53
Speaker
In August, there was a slew of headlines about Meghan taking a trip to Toronto. so they i mean just I'm just going to read a few off here. Meghan pulls off a deeply normal trip to Canada. Meghan is traveling to Canada alone. Meghan Markle reportedly beginning her solo trip to the US and Canada.
00:04:18
Speaker
Um, and they, uh, Marika, Megan took a secret trip to Toronto without Prince Harry. Okay, so, so those headlines came out and actually there was even some that, that they were a little bit more specific. So according to Royal Central, Megan dressed in skinny black jeans, black cashmere sweater, black ballet flats, and a black baseball cap.
00:04:48
Speaker
pulled down over her face before signing out. Do celebrities think, like, I always wonder, like, if you dress all in black, you won't be recognized? Like, I don't know. It's kind of a dead giveaway that you maybe are a celebrity. I mean, to be fair, I basically only wear black. So for me, it would be like, oh, it is, it is Nikki. She's all in black. You're big time. I know. You know, for podcast people, sometimes seeing you in real life.
00:05:17
Speaker
Um, just going on with that little story, it sounds as though they, she had a very pleasant journey with sources on board revealing Megan was lovely. She had two secret service guys with her, but it was all very low key. She had champagne before settling down to watch book club. Okay. So that's pretty specific. So some, I mean, somebody wrote that out. That's pretty specific. Yeah. That's what I can imagine is like my quick trip.
00:05:47
Speaker
for a weekend in Canada being that documented. Yeah, like somebody really saw her. Yeah. So now I'll read what Omid Scobee wrote at the time to ABC News. So Omid Scobee said,
00:06:05
Speaker
to Good Morning America that Meghan visited Toronto for three days to visit her stylist best friend, Jessica Mulroney. Her first solo trip since her wedding in May. And then he goes on to say they mostly just stayed in Meghan's, Mulroney's apartment.
00:06:25
Speaker
and doing out the cooking and stuff. He then even sends out a tweet that says, and if you weren't able to tune in, sources exclusively confirmed to ABC, Good Morning America, that Meghan Markle quietly traveled to Toronto last Tuesday for a three-day family trip home to visit with the Morones. Okay, so that was only Scovey, okay?
00:06:55
Speaker
but So the general word out there beyond this is that, like, the overview was that Meghan went on a secret trip to Canada, flew commercial, but made sure no nobody knew or took a picture. she It was solo, her first trip without Harry since May. It was three days to visit her stylist. The trip took place in mid-August and reported by Royal Central. um She flew commercial Air Canada was allegedly asked by Royal officials to make sure nobody took photos of her. And that was from Kensington Palace, put out that.
00:07:35
Speaker
Okay. but But, you know, these are a ton of headlines, but enough. Okay. But they're there. Yeah. And then we, you know, knowing the no picture thing is that the palace was aware of this trip and knew where she was going. Yeah. yeah You know, I think it goes back to that thing where, like, the more you try to hide something sometimes, the more attention yeah it somehow ends up getting. So along about this exact same time,
00:08:04
Speaker
they go visit the Clooneys in Italy. I was going to ask if this was that same kind of timeline. And this is where I want your opinion. So it's said that they went and and visited the Clooneys. It's pretty specific. They went done ah Thursday through Sunday, the 16th through the 19th of August. They're very specific about they flew in on a private jet and that George Clooney had secret you know, drivers picked them up so that nobody could see them and there was no pictures and they basically stayed home and sat by the pool and played basketball and that's why there's no pictures. So my question is, like, didn't they really do that at the same time? Or was that whole story a full cover story for this other secret trip? Because they said, oh, this was a secret trip they were talking about. I think they probably did go. And I think that
00:09:03
Speaker
because it it almost makes the story to hide this other trip so much better if it actually happened, if that makes sense. There would also need to be kind of an explanation of what Harry's doing around this time. So that adds him back into kind of like the equation of it all. So I think it it probably actually happened. And I think they probably were like, hey, second little mini honeymoon with the Clooney's. I mean, sounds really great. but I know.
00:09:33
Speaker
Oh, okay. Well, I mean, that leads me to one more story that Omid Scobee is going to come into this more. Really quick though, before we go too much further, I didn't know who that was until we started talking about this forever ago. Do you want to kind of flick for people who don't know, just share who Omid Scobee is? Well, it's interesting that you say that because up until this point,
00:09:57
Speaker
He wasn't really anyone. I mean, now, for those of you who do not know, um he's kind of considered like a spokesperson for um for the for Harry and Meghan. He wrote a kind of a tell-all book that very much has been um was very pro um their relationship and seemed very biased from their point of view. But up until this point of this happening, I mean, he was just another royal correspondent. So yeah, which is part of this story. right Okay. So in the cut,
00:10:40
Speaker
He had a story that said, it has been rumored mid month that Megan was planning on visiting Toronto. But that was around the time of her trip to Italy. So we all forgot about it and instead just focused on the idea of the Sussexes and the Clooney's hanging out. But according to Scobee, last week, Megan spent three days with Moroni and her three kids.
00:11:07
Speaker
each of whom served in the bridal party at her wedding. So I feel like he sort of gives it away there. I mean, he sort of sums it up. So we start hearing about this this secret trip to the Clooney's. Well then,
00:11:23
Speaker
we actually get some denial stories that come out. About the Clooney trip? No, no, about the trip to Canada. Okay. Okay. like The stories about Canada, you know, the story is they went on the secret to Canada. Well, no, they went on this secret trip to the Clooney's and that's what the real secret trip was. I mean, at that point, that's sort of where we are. Okay. um We start hearing these denial stories. And they're specifically from three royal correspondents.
00:12:00
Speaker
And I'll say, so the first one, which is was, there was an original story um that was put out there on August 19th. Ahead of her first royal tour with Prince Harry, which we'll see the couple visit Australia, New Zealand, fidji Fiji, and the kingdom of Tonga, Meghan Markle had reportedly hopped a flight back to Toronto. So that was on the 19th.
00:12:30
Speaker
On the 21st, we get an update. Despite earlier reports that Margul is visiting Toronto and plans to travel to LA where her mother is, neither are true, according to royal correspondent Omid Scobee. I expect them to be in Balmoral later this week before returning to London ahead of their upcoming engagements, starting with the Hamilton performance in aid of Santibale on August 29th, Scobee tells Bazaar.
00:13:05
Speaker
Okay. So that's kind of where it started. Okay. Kind of now changed, changed the narrative to no, no, no way we were wrong. We also get a sources also told Omid and that Megan and Harry stayed at George and Amal Clooney's Lake Como from Thursday to Sunday over the weekend, contradicting reports that Markle flew out to Canada. So then the kind of like, exactly, I mean, yeah, definitely showing to, um, that, that was a cover. Okay. So we also have a couple more
Omid Scobie and Public Perception
00:13:37
Speaker
Royal, um, Royal reporters.
00:13:40
Speaker
um for some publications, denied initial reports that Markle had traveled to Canada. Rebecca English, royal correspondent for the UK's Daily Mail newspaper, tweeted on August 20th that Markle was not in Canada and won't be going there anytime soon. Carolyn Durant says, reports that Meghan Markle was in Canada are inaccurate.
00:14:06
Speaker
She is not currently in Toronto. So what I pick up from both of those is they're both saying she's not currently there on August 20th, a specific day. They're not really saying that she didn't go at all. Okay. Right. Right. Carolyn Duran was the person who also wrote Finding Freedom with Omid Scobee.
00:14:32
Speaker
Rebecca English is a little bit different, but she was very close ah to Harry. And I mean, she even said, Harry often told me he's just wanted to walk away from it all. but Rebecca English was accompanied by the prince around the world for 15 years. Wow. Now she gives some insight into his generosity, warmth,
00:15:01
Speaker
and the day she saw his personality change. So I think she just cared about it. Yeah, yeah. I think without getting too far ahead that Megan somehow reached out to these three correspondents to put out these tweets, denials to help cover. It skews the timeline, let's say. Do you know what I mean? like There's no outright denials that they didn't go on either trip, but it's like, it just makes it a little like more difficult to track. Like maybe they're not actually, I don't think they're in any of them actually.
00:15:40
Speaker
lying. Right, right. I think they are kind of dancing around. They're kind of implying something. But if you actually look at them, they're saying nope, and this exact date, nope, she was not there. Yeah. And it means they have that plausible deniability of being like, I didn't say that.
00:15:59
Speaker
Right. And we'll get back to it a little later. I don't want to get into this too much, but later we do hear that Megan reached out to Omid Scobee in August to check on him because he was getting death threats and stuff. I personally think that may have been when she reached out ah to say, I need your help. Yeah. This is a, you know, liquid workflow. Okay. I can believe that.
00:16:29
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, we can come back to that in a little bit, but to me, I kind of think it feels like that's a possibility. Yeah. you im up yeah i so i I'm keeping you on board with this. Yep. I'm here. I'm here. You're not? All right. so to Just so you know, I'm a little bit more apprehensive um about Meghan Markle and Harry, and Nicki's a bit more positive. Yeah.
00:16:54
Speaker
right That's why if I can convince her, I can convince anyone. Right. I will also say they have been annoying me a little bit more of late, but in terms of, you know, leaving the family and things like that, that's where we kind of have different opinions. In my narrative, actually, it not only explains that, but it really explains how either way there was there was mistakes made. Yeah. Oh yeah. And let me just say, I mean, I'm kind of giving you like an overview of what I think happened. I would like to go back and then look at specific things that they say and did and timing, which now makes sense a little bit more if you believe my narrative. Okay. Okay. So, but let's, let's get through, you know, just what I think happened.
00:17:45
Speaker
Okay, I mean, later, you know, we hear, however, like some question, the authenticity of Scobie's work as questions around his relationship with Meghan and Harry have swirled on more than one occasion.
00:18:01
Speaker
So so we you know we hear a lot about it. And I think anyone who's familiar with this story knows that that he becomes what they would call as like a spokesperson for Meghan and Harry and not as they don't take him as a serious neutral journalist.
00:18:18
Speaker
Okay, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, I mean, that's kind of what happens. So in Omid's book Endgame, he quote is put it as saying in the new book Endgame, actually, and he's not quoted somebody else's quote is saying I don't know. In his new book Endgame, the journalist gives insight into a heartfelt phone call he received from the duchess back in 2018.
00:18:44
Speaker
Before he co-authored the Sussexes biography, Finding Freedom, the pair bonded over the shared online harassment and threats they were receiving. With Omid saying he became a target due to his coverage of the Sussexes, Megan, he said, decided to check in on him and ask about his mental health.
00:19:12
Speaker
We don't know exactly when that was, but we've no you know we know that it's about that time that he would have started writing the book. Right.
00:19:25
Speaker
Since then, we haven't really heard about Carolyn Durand. I mean, just the book. Not that much. Yeah, yeah. Either she was just a good writer. He needed writing abilities. And she just got a hefty payout from the book and was like, all right, I'm done. good Yeah, right. I'm out. Rebecca English is still very vocal. And um she's very honest about the fact that that she thinks very highly of him and always did, spent a lot of time with him and it was very meaningful to her. Yet, I mean, she has negative opinions of what have happened.
00:20:06
Speaker
recently with all this. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So, so then we kind of get into, there's a People magazine article. Okay. And and in it states, Megan Markle has been keeping an excited secret for the past three months. And this is after, if you recall, Megan and Harry announced their pregnancy. Okay. They announced in October, 2018.
00:20:33
Speaker
yes so do the calculations on that and if i'm right and i haven't even said what i think hold on all right stop that i didn't have said what i think happened there okay so in toronto on this i would guess or theorize that she had ivf and had the had the andlet yeah What do you you know more about Ivy? No, I don't. The embryo? The embryo, whatever she had, the she had it implanted. Okay. Okay. That makes a lot of sense to me. What they don't know, um and it would be speculating was, was it an egg that was a donor egg? Or could it have been, you know, one of her eggs that she had frozen
00:21:31
Speaker
in Canada, presumably. And it would have been in Canada. Yeah. The fact that she's tried to cover it up. You know, let's I don't know if we breath we ever even said why Canada, but when she filmed Suits, it was based out of Canada. Yeah. So she lived in Toronto. Right. Yeah. Yeah. For for years. I mean, several years. Yeah. So she I think like they had just gotten married. So she probably I mean, had a life that she kind of upended and was pro it would probably at that time make sense for her to be going back and forth to Canada a little bit. Yeah. I mean, yeah, it was it's logical for her to be taking trips back and forth. So the fact that she tried to hide this one. Yeah. and I mean, it's kind of weird. I mean, it would have been completely justified for her to go there and visit her friend. So why would she put effort and then trying to backtrack and hide it?
00:22:27
Speaker
Yeah, but if she had, you know, frozen her eggs, they would presumably be there. Correct. So I just think I was like, wait, we never really even explained why she would be in Canada it up yeah period. Yeah, definitely. And I don't know. I mean, she was getting older. I mean, it's very plausible that she would have frozen eggs.
00:22:49
Speaker
We're going to get into some of the laws, not laws, but royal guidelines that dictate who is and who isn't in the line of succession. So we'll talk a little bit more specifically about those rules in a bit. I think if it was a donor ring, definitely that would be a problem. I'm not sure. Let's just also say it would be a problem for the rules.
00:23:16
Speaker
For the rules. Yeah, not anything else. Yeah, so um yeah like let's take a little pause here to make sure that we say, in this whole theory,
00:23:28
Speaker
We are not saying that Archie is in any way not their child, no matter how he was conceived, no matter genetically who his DNA was from, if he was born of a surrogate. We are not in any way questioning or judging.
00:23:47
Speaker
And almost like to the other side of that, and we'll get there when we talk about it, but if that was a problem in terms of the laws of the rules of succession, we have a problem with that. You get ahead of me, Nikki. Well, I just want to make it very clear that. Yes, yes, yes. You know what? that that and And the big thing is this was a really bad situation.
00:24:13
Speaker
that didn't have to be. It could have been a moment ah to educate people. It could be a moment for progress. Yeah. Yeah. And this is what happens when things get handled wrong and spiral after another out of control. So yeah, just to, to keep that in mind. So, so one way or another, I think during that trip, she got pregnant and had a baby implanted or embryo, I don't know, whatever they're called, gamete, implanted. And planted I don't think she wanted people to know that. Yeah. Um, and in fact,
00:24:53
Speaker
Earlier in August, they went to one of Harry's friend's wedding. um And it's that guy that has a really hard last name to say, like Ben. Oh, yeah. We'll just call him. Yeah. So they went they went to that wedding on August 4th, which i I think is important because later they kind of want to make it think the implication down the road is that that's when she got pregnant.
00:25:24
Speaker
Okay, okay. got a little room yeah So that's that is an important date to know. Okay, so then we go on we announced the pregnancy um at the wedding, which seemed like a odd time to announce pregnancy. Hopefully they had permission. um Yeah, in my home, yeah, maybe, hopefully. So, and then and in People magazine they even said, like, after the couple officially made the announcement um in a statement via Kensington Palace on Monday, a royal source told people that Meghan had her 12-week scan and was feeling well.
00:26:06
Speaker
And, you know, it even said Megan's royal sister-in-law, Kate Middleton, typically isn't able to wait until the 12 week mark to announce her pregnancies because she suffers from acute morning sickness. Oh, I had that with all three of my children.
00:26:25
Speaker
has yeah And you know what? We were pregnant with one of the kids at the same time and I remember seeing the articles about how she was in bed with an IV and she had everybody tended to and she was being tended to and I was sitting on the floor drinking pickle juice out of a jar. Just so angry at Kate Middleton. I would have tended to. Point being there, it is considered um common or likely um or expected um that 12 week mark is when yeah when it's announced that one of the royals is pregnant however according to my math if she got pregnant in or around it would have been like August after the 11th after the 20th you know whatever 23rd 24th
00:27:20
Speaker
Yeah, she would have been only two months along, okay? And the reason they said that they announced it at that point... Well, I'm sorry. First of all, yeah, it would have been two months.
00:27:36
Speaker
People questioned a lot about why they used that opportunity to to announce it, taking away Eugenie's spotlight. And the reason at the time they said was that Meghan was showing so much that it would have been a distraction taken away from their royal royal tour to Australia if they didn't.
00:28:01
Speaker
to me as well. like That would overshadow. I can understand there'd be questions and it would get frustrating if this was true if she was showing that much and it would put them in into the position to lie. I don't know. I can kind of see that side of it.
00:28:19
Speaker
Yeah, but I can also see the side of it like announcing she's pregnant right before going. It seems like it could kind of overshadow too. yeah So you know so that was that was put out there. They went on this royal tour. I mean, she definitely was looking somewhat pregnant at this time.
00:28:40
Speaker
um And People magazine even went on to talk about how she covered, how she like kept people from realizing she was pregnant. um And it goes as far as to say, in August, her clothes became noticeably baggier than usual. While attending a friend's wedding on August 4th, Megan opted for a billowing shirt dress from Club Monaco.
00:29:07
Speaker
So that's even like before she would have been pregnant. I mean, that's implying she got pregnant much earlier. Yeah. Yeah. But I don't know. And later.
00:29:20
Speaker
Yeah, so yeah, they basically said they didn't want to distract from the royal tour. So I mean, basically, in retrospect, years later, they basically do point out that she announced it a week early. I'm sorry, a month early, for various reasons. Yeah, yeah. At Eugenie's wedding, it was definitely implied that she was at a 12-week mark. Yeah. But later, people realized, well, no, she wasn't. And they had an explanation for why they announced it at two weeks.
00:29:50
Speaker
Okay, two months. Two months, two months, I'm sorry. So um yeah, and even in the fourth episode of Netflix, the docu-series, the Duke of Sussex explained that the pair had to reveal Meghan's pregnancy during their Australian tour in October of 2018 because the bump could no longer be hidden. Okay, this is where I think everything got a lot of control. First of all, in his book Spare, Harry even says after this Australian tour, after October, everything seemed to change.
Changing Perceptions Post-Australian Tour
00:30:35
Speaker
And the implication was it changed because everyone became jealous of them because they did such a good job.
00:30:45
Speaker
Um, in Australia. And I mean, I think they did. I think, I mean, they're, we've heard later that behind the scenes, everything wasn't as, huky dori as a seemed um, but for the most part, you know, that tour was considered a very positive tour. Yeah. Big success. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So she comes back. Okay. And now we start like getting into the whole moon bump thing and her yeah body switching and, um, was it fake? Was she faking a pregnantgancy pregnancy and really had a surrogate? What was going on? I think she did use one, a prosthetic device of some sort. I don't think it was to make her seem pregnant. I think it was to enhance and make her seem a little farther along. So we could stick with the timeline that they've presented
00:31:45
Speaker
Yes, you know, they definitely wanted people to think she was farther along than she was. Okay. So there was a Moonbug used and like the whole, I know that whole like having her so hand on her stomach and holding that to keep it in place. There might be some credibility.
00:32:04
Speaker
okay so I mean yeah mean, I know there's different reasons, but there may be some credibility. So that's why i think she I think it is likely that could have happened. Town and country, so we're moving on. And they go to visit Birkenhead, which they did. They visited in January. okay And I don't know if anyone who really knows this story, when they were in Birkenhead, like she was wearing that red and purple dress, and like there was a lot of headlines about how the moon bump fell.
00:32:42
Speaker
And you could see it. Okay. Looking it up. I mean, i don't they show pictures. I mean, it's one of those things where, okay, I see why they could say that. I also see possibility the wind was just funky and blew her dress. Right.
00:33:00
Speaker
And and don' have you ever heard of Lady Colin Campbell? Yes. So she has been very um vocal about the fact that
00:33:14
Speaker
that they they they messed up, that that at Birkenhead, they made a mistake that gave it away. And I and i think the thought being what she's referring to, because if you listen to her, she's very good at referring to things, but not actually coming out and saying them, was the fact that this, this boom, boom, boom.
00:33:36
Speaker
but it was also while she was doing this visit. So Megan reportedly told one member of the crowd um she's six months pregnant and another woman that her due date was around April. Just let's go back and remember for those who don't know Archie was born on May 6th. Okay. Okay. And then this, so this trip with the purple dress and the red coat was he said January? Yeah, it was January. Okay. Also, you know, let me go out and port let let retract one more thing. Okay. So you can do these online, like, reverse calculators to find out the day you were conceived. and this Okay, this is total tangent. But this is a funny thing about that, is that um
00:34:28
Speaker
my daughter did it, my daughter who is our editor, and she did it and then she like came home and was like, mom, I was conceived on September 11th of... Oh my gosh! And I'm like, you actually were! I was like, we had this... Oh my gosh! world is ending! Let's just move forward! So I actually specifically remember that. Anyways, that's home.
00:34:57
Speaker
That's hilarious. Yeah, it is. but And I fully remember that, like, oh my god, the world's ending. Let's just have a That doesn't make sense, but live in the moment. Okay. Live in the moment. So, okay, back to Archie though. Archie's ah was born May 6th.
00:35:21
Speaker
Around that time, we'll get into it a little bit more later, but there was a lot of talk about how he was overdue. If he was born on May 6, that would mean he was conceived on August 16, or there about. Okay. I mean, that pretty much lines up with the exact time. But yeah, it lines up exactly with what we're saying. Then we have Scobie jump in again. um And He lets on. Previously, the palace had confirmed Megan's due date is sometime in the spring of 2019. Shortly after the announcement, several royal correspondents pinpointed the date closer to April. Given that Megan had already had her 12-week scan at the time of the announcement,
00:36:18
Speaker
But on their podcast, On Air, reporters Emily Andrews and Omid Scobee suggested the child might arrive in March. Oh my goodness. They're like really going for it now. March. And yeah, it goes on to say, um When everybody was saying at the time of the pregnancy announcement that she was three months as Kobe started before Andrews jumped in, we understand that she was around 14 to 15 weeks or so. We may think that the baby is due in early April before saying
00:37:02
Speaker
I think maybe March and I think the baby, yeah, i but basically I think the baby might be born in March. And then then Andrews kind of hedged and said, babies come when they want. So I have a question. Yes. And you might not know, um with any of William and Kate's pregnancies, did they announce a due date or was it always like the baby's expected April, whatever, whatever year?
00:37:30
Speaker
No, I don't think they announced it. Okay. I'm just curious if that's like a normal thing to do. It wouldn't seem like something they would do, but I was just curious if it's like, normally they say this is the due date or if it's normally the, you know, kind of the month. Yeah. Like spring of. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's more what tends to happen. Yeah. You know, I don't know going back. I mean, cause this is definitely not, I mean, this is just.
00:37:55
Speaker
royal correspondents, you know, trying to pinpoint, you know, speculating together. Yeah, yeah. And at Christmas, me apparently, there was a photographer who was taking pictures and Megan said we're, we're nearly there, which I it was like, I guess they're saying,
00:38:14
Speaker
but okay that that they weren't really you know that didn't no they really weren't nearly there that was kind of exaggerating well even like if you're talking trimester wise i felt like at the end of my second trimester that's like okay we're headed home stretch yeah yeah i mean i i don't i i don't give credence to that really yeah anything. Plus sometimes you just have to have a line to say like just have to say something. what I always used to be like, especially with my third, because because that was the hardest pregnancy. I was always used to be like, we're getting there. That was my line. Yeah. I mean, you just kind of, yeah. All
Timeline of Meghan's Travels and Appearances
00:38:54
Speaker
right. So just like, let's go in back real quick and let's point let's go back and look at the timeframe. August
00:39:01
Speaker
fourth they go to the wedding. August 16th through the 19th, they were at the Clooney's, probably. um And then they would made a big deal about the fact that they were going to this Hamilton performance on August 29th. So it was like, mom they were trying to get like the pre they try to get the press to focus on those dates. and nothing They were trying to get a little quiet about that. Yeah, yeah. To be fair, though, also, that was Peake Hamilton. So that would have made the news if this was real or not. Yeah. I mean, that's a good point. Yeah. And it was for Santa Polly. Okay. So.
00:39:43
Speaker
okay They say everything changed after ah October. I think, real quick here, do you remember when they were saying that Meghan was going to have ah the baby at home and not in the hospital and that she wasn't going to use ah middle or that royal the doctors, the gray suits, she she was going to get her own OBGYN. Yeah, particularly the thing where she was going to give birth at home.
00:40:12
Speaker
yeah okay so my opinion is this total speculation that this is the point where i think she was planning on giving birth at home and not letting the public know and that making it seem like she gave birth at a later date okay and i think that's why like at this point we have scoby talking about that you know baby might be born in March or April. I mean, I think you're right right right like maybe even overshooting it, maybe, you know, I don't know. That's what I think that, I think that those, those headlines came out about Ben and they never then denied him that much after that, but and that's what I think happened behind them. Okay. Okay. So then they came home and then the brother's relationship changed.
00:41:09
Speaker
And I mean, it according to Robert Lacy, the author of Battle of the Brothers, Harry and William were no longer speaking in October of 2018.
Royal Split Rumors and Frogmore Cottage Move
00:41:24
Speaker
Yeah, I think we in our timeline, we said the rumors started that the rift was between William and Harry, not Kate and Meghan around November. And this is also when the news comes out that they are considering breaking up their joint court at Kensington Palace. Meghan and Harry wanted more freedom to forge their own path. So that was yeah when they started talking about splitting the court. And there's a little bit more too. right So at that same time, a royal source told the Sun that the initial plan was for Harry and Meghan
00:42:09
Speaker
to move out of Nottingham College, to move out of Nottingham Cottage on the Kensington Palace grounds and into one of the main apartments. But there was a bit of tension between the brothers and because of that, Harry and Meghan decided they didn't want to live next to William and Kate and they wanted to straight, like, go on the run somewhere new, start off the new.
00:42:35
Speaker
okay And I will say, I mean, they had, there was, I don't know, someone was living in it. So they had to wait for that person to move out. Was this frog? I mean, it was going to, no, this is Kensington palace. Cause originally they were supposed to say in Kensington palace, you know, yeah yeah and have one of these apartments. like But you said Nottingham cottage. Isn't it frog more? No, this is when the frog more frog more is where they ended up. Okay. Gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha. Not a canvas. Still that little.
00:43:05
Speaker
Cottage. right okay but That tiny cottage will probably buy our standards now. They were still in there. They still hadn't had a baby. I mean, even Kate and William lived in that little cottage before when they were first married before they had kids.
00:43:25
Speaker
okay So yeah, you know the idea was they're gonna, it's in London. And then yeah, they would come, I mean, in Kensington Palace, one of the apartments, that's where the boys grew up with Diana. And then that's where William and Kate like had that apartment converted, which apparently was gorgeous and like pretty rooms, 20, I don't know. I don't know what we would think of as an apartment. The plan was then for Harry and Meghan to get one of those. But I mean, it was gonna take time to- Right, right, right.
00:43:55
Speaker
You know, remodel. Um, so it was, yeah. So again, in this time, that's when they said, no, we just want something else. And yeah, we don't want to be next door to my brother. So yeah, they chose not to. And and then at that time is when they went to the Queen and said, we need a different yeah place to live. And, um, at that time.
00:44:24
Speaker
that's when she mentioned Frogmore Cottage. Okay. And I think at first, I mean, you know, there's Frogmore Cottage and Frogmore House? Oh, well I didn't know that. Yeah, there's Frogmore House is like pretty palacy. Okay. Like it's really, it's really nice. And and yeah this the cottage actually is worth kind of like the servants kind of lived and had broken been broken into apartments up and so so it was going to be fully remodeled. I mean, and I think it's like five bed. I mean, we're not talking a shed, right? But I think originally, like first for a few minutes, they thought, oh, we're going to get Frogmore house. But no, that's not what the offer was. But yeah, I still think that they they were happy. it would I mean, it's like 20 miles out out of London. And so a lot of people question like,
00:45:16
Speaker
Like that doesn't, that seems a little strange that Megan would like that to be out ah that far yeah away from London. But I mean, yeah, so you know, whatever. Yeah. Hey everyone, this is the editor just wanting to come in and note that I did end this episode very abruptly. ah There was an hour and a half recording and and I just decided to split it into two parts. So this is going to be about a 45 minute part one and then the next week's episode is going to be a 45 minute part two. It's all the same continuous story. I'll do another note at the beginning of next week's episode to remind you kind of of where we are in the timeline. Anyway, thanks for understanding. Tune in next week.