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Brian Sanders on Ancestral Health, Food Lies, Bridging the Modern and Natural Worlds, Blue Zones, and More!
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This week, we are excited to welcome Brian Sanders to the show. Brian and I share a similar perspective on health, particularly our appreciation for insights gained from studying primitive ways of life. He is deeply inspired by paleoanthropological research, which has shaped his understanding of human health and nutrition.
In this episode, we delve into several fascinating topics, including the challenges within the food industry, how to access healthy food, and identifying truly nutritious food sources. Unsurprisingly, we emphasized the importance of a nose-to-tail approach to eating.
We also discussed the structural issues plaguing modern agriculture and how these connect to both the pharmaceutical industry and government policies. Additionally, we explored various diets and their broader implications for health.
Brian shared his firsthand experiences with primitive tribes and the invaluable lessons he’s learned from them. We also addressed the popular concept of Blue Zones, shedding light on some of their flaws and misconceptions.
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Introduction to Beyond Train Podcast
00:00:01
Liev Dalton
Welcome everybody to another episode of the Beyond Train podcast. I'm your host, Leo Dalton. Listen, if you're new around here, why don't you give the show a little follow and maybe a subscribe if you're on YouTube. And if you like the show, give us a review comment. As always sharing is the best way to help support the show, get the word out there and and really share the the message that, that we're trying to, that we're trying to explore here. So really appreciate all that guys. Uh, today we're going to have a great episode. We
Guest Introduction: Brian Sanders
00:00:26
Liev Dalton
have, uh, Brian Sanders on, um, this man has, has some,
00:00:31
Liev Dalton
Really cool Instagram pages, does some really interesting work, has some really cool businesses that I want to talk a little bit bit about. um To me, he seems like a really solution minded person. And I think that's really important in today's day and age. I think all too it's all too easy to kind of focus on um all the problems that are happening. And there's a time and a place for that, of course, but um moving towards solutions is is very important. So ah really appreciate you coming on today, Brian. Thanks for joining us.
00:00:59
Brian Sanders
Absolutely. Good to be here.
00:01:01
Liev Dalton
Right on. So
What is Ancestral Health?
00:01:03
Liev Dalton
I asked all my guests an introductory question. I asked them to define health, what health is, what it means, what it looks like. if You could take it any direction you'd like.
00:01:10
Brian Sanders
Oh, man. Yeah, I think health is is thriving and not surviving. And it's more than the absence of disease. I've seen some definitions of health. It's the absence of disease, which is really sad that that's what it's come to these days, as people just think that that's kind of good enough. And I think there's way too many people out there just surviving, right and not enough people thriving and it's I don't think we even know what it means to thrive anymore as humans because we've come a long way since our ancestors and we'll probably get into a lot of that stuff. I'm i'm into this idea of ancestral health and that we we were healthier in the past. And there's this idea that we we weren't there it was, you know, a hard life and we were
00:02:01
Brian Sanders
ah just barely surviving and I don't believe that's true at all. I know a lot of good paleoanthropologists and doctors that study this stuff and we were we were doing really well. We were super smart. I always like to think of humans as,
00:02:19
Brian Sanders
how out well, know how smart we are now. We have iPhones and rocket ships and amazing stuff. hundreds of thousands of years ago, we were just as smart. But instead of knowing how to create an iPhone, we know how to hunt and live and acquire food and detoxify food and take apart animals and track them and navigate from the stars. And, you know, we weren't any less intelligent. I'm telling you, we had the same brains, and we use them in different ways. Right? And it's so cool to think,
00:02:55
Brian Sanders
Um, how we were just thriving back then and how we could use that knowledge in different ways. And we've lost a lot of that and we've lost a lot of what it is to be human really. And so yeah, I'm on, I'm on a journey to the broader journey is to get more to our human roots.
00:03:17
Liev Dalton
Uh, yeah, well put, I mean, like, I think we'd probably, uh, align there quite a lot.
Are We Disconnected from Ancestral Skills?
00:03:22
Liev Dalton
Um, I'm really interested in that, the ancestral way of life. And you know, you bring up a good point that, um, a lot of this is lost. Like the modern man simply wouldn't be able to survive in a primitive setting, uh, for the most part, obviously, uh, most, most people wouldn't be able to survive. They wouldn't be able to track. They wouldn't be able to hunt. Uh, they wouldn't be able to prepare food, um, or keep food or build shelter, stuff like that.
00:03:47
Liev Dalton
The other funny thing is that even in the modern world, yeah, we have iPhones and we have ah laptops and stuff like that. And it's really easy to sit there and use an iPhone and use a laptop.
00:04:00
Liev Dalton
But think about like just something that popped in my mind is most people can't build an iPhone or build a computer, right? Like, you know what I mean?
00:04:07
Brian Sanders
No one, yeah.
00:04:08
Liev Dalton
Like this is, and it speaks to the, you know, I think to our ability to work together, right? Because even like to build these technologies, there's many steps involved. So. But again, like to have a successful thriving community, it takes a lot of working together, right? It takes a strong community. It takes a strong bond, um, in a slightly different way, maybe than what we have, because even though we're hyper social, we're hyper connected, you know, we're not. A lot of people are depressed and feel lonely, right? It's a very interesting dynamic that we are more connected than ever, but
00:04:44
Liev Dalton
you know, and have access to any food that you want at any time, but still we're more unhealthy than ever.
00:04:51
Brian Sanders
Well, I think about this stuff a lot. And and yeah, community and the people around us are are so important. And there's there's a blue zones that I like to debunk. But one of the great things they do have is that community and and people around you and how and they realize how important that is. And there's also an idea of People think it's kind of dumb to do the the ancestral thing.
00:05:18
Brian Sanders
they're Like, oh, you guys want to run around in loincloths and live in caves? And I'm like, no, not at all. So I, what's that?
00:05:24
Liev Dalton
Well, partly. Partly.
00:05:27
Brian Sanders
Partly, well, a little bit, a little bit.
00:05:28
Liev Dalton
yeah
00:05:29
Brian Sanders
it justs I mean, I want to be, I want to have time outdoors. I want to be around the bonfire, but no, I still live in the city. I'm here in Austin. I you know i live near downtown, but i don't I can still live in a more human way. That doesn't mean I'm living in a cave, but that means I'm going to a farmer's market and talking to the people that raise the cows and the eggs and getting meat from them.
00:05:55
Brian Sanders
right so it's like I'm so far away from living in a cave and doing all that stuff, yet I can still have the the human experiences and and live better and not just be like someone who over orders Uber Eats and and plays video games. It's like I just came from beach volleyball, actually. ah So, you know, I'm out there.
00:06:17
Brian Sanders
doing stuff outdoors while living in the city. So that's what I mean with this ancestral health stuff. I because sometimes some people are into it, right? And they're great. But then maybe 80% of people out there or people listening, they might be, man, these guys are, you know, just some caveman, you know, it just doesn't sound that that great or that appropriate in modern society. So yeah, we're trying to navigate that to live live in the modern world yet not succumb to the modern tragedies, that diseases, all that stuff that most people do.
00:06:53
Liev Dalton
Yeah,
Integrating Ancestral Principles in Modern Life
00:06:54
Liev Dalton
common, common thing that we talk about here, kind of like the integration of natural principles into a more modern lifestyle, right? Like, um, I mean, look at what we're doing right now, right? You're in Austin, I'm up in Nova Scotia and we're having a conversation. Um, you know, it's, it certainly doesn't fall into the category of ancestral living. Uh, but at the same time, you know, we can take the the good from this, um, you know, hopefully.
00:07:20
Liev Dalton
sharing a good, decent message and and trying to get the word out there in that respect. Um, you know, using these, these modern technologies for the good, right? And not getting trapped by an algorithm or, you know, consumed by it, right? Like we're not, we're not even engaging in over-consumption either, right? Like having the balance with it. They're tools, right? They're tools. Uh, and you don't want to, you don't want to abuse them.
00:07:46
Brian Sanders
Mm hmm.
00:07:46
Liev Dalton
Um, so I think that's really interesting point. We, we keep coming back to that, right? It's the integration of, of ancestral principles, if you will, into our, our lives.
00:07:51
Brian Sanders
Mm hmm.
00:07:56
Liev Dalton
Yeah. Yeah. That's great, man. Um, maybe we could dig in, uh, a little bit into how you came to this conclusion that, you know, the ancestral way of life is almost like a healthier way of life.
00:08:08
Liev Dalton
Right. Um, you know, for me, it was a lot through West than a price. Um, you know, even talking to the local native. here, a lot of them like to to talk about their ancestral way of life, right? um Western Air Price was big, talking to people in the community, ah the health community that are kind of in a similar mindset, but curious to hear how you kind of came to this conclusion and also, you know, what were those big pieces of evidence that that really hit it home for you?
00:08:38
Brian Sanders
Yeah, I never thought I would be here. I started as a mechanical engineer, and I grew up in Hawaii. I was just good at math and science. I just thought, oh, I'd be a mechanical engineer. Went to college, got a degree from UCLA. It's amazing. Did some cool stuff. Got into tech later. I had this whole career, and then I found myself at 30 with a dad bod and having you know multiple medical problems starting to pop up.
00:09:05
Brian Sanders
And having lost both my parents. Yeah, like so they they both. ah My mom starts was pretty severe into Alzheimer's by then and I lost my dad from cancer. And so that woke me up. Yeah, and I found, ah well, I actually found Mark Sisson's book, my friends found it first, they they lost a lot of weight by and got way healthier just by following the the primal blueprint, right?
Influence of Primal Blueprint
00:09:31
Brian Sanders
That hit Mark Sisson's book was called The Primal Blueprint.
00:09:34
Brian Sanders
I read it and it made sense. And my life was forever changed. And so yeah, it it just really is simple when, you know, it's presented correctly. And, but then i I did my own research, started listening to tons of podcasts, reading other books, going to conferences, all this other stuff, and learned more and more. And kind of got into a bit of ah a camp like a dietary camp and it was like kind of this low carb world. And you know, there's keto and there's all this stuff. This is maybe we're like seven years ago. And then so part of my journey was
00:10:15
Brian Sanders
realizing that you can't get stuck into one way of thinking and you have to look at everything. I didn't want to be wrong as another thing, right? And then there's this engineering approach of like root cause, root ah first principles, right? All this stuff, systems thinking, all these things of let's not just listen to so what we're told by the government or let's not just fall into one way of thinking, because again, you don't want to be wrong. Like if you just have one way of thinking, if you just have one way of viewing the world that we have to go low carb to be healthy and to lose weight, and that that means and carbs are the enemy, then you're you're proven wrong really easily. When there's entire populations hu that are eating carbs and are fine, or there's a huge times in history of people eating fruit and whatever,
00:11:07
Brian Sanders
potatoes and rice, and they were fine. Or bodybuilders, for example, these guys are shredded. And they're crushing carbs and rice and whatnot, right before like to cut down, they're, they're going maybe low fat and low carb at the same time, or they're just you're going eating
Is Dietary Flexibility Important?
00:11:28
Brian Sanders
a bunch of carbs and protein super high protein and really low fat and they're getting shredded. And so Yeah, I coined this thing Camp No Camp, which is kind of funny because it's a little oxymoronic because now I am in a camp. ah The camp is the No Camp camp, but that's kind of part of the fun. ah But ah ah the Camp No Camp, it's where yeah you you don't buy into any one ideology and you're always open to learning new things and trying not to be wrong. I want to be the least wrong.
00:12:01
Brian Sanders
And so if I'm thinking that the carbs are the enemy, then I'm going to be wrong a lot and the world's not going to make much sense. And if I think that like plant-based diets are terrible, then I'm going to be wrong too, because there's some people that can do some sort of plant-based version, not a hundred percent plant-based. I don't i don't think that's good for anyone. We're not.
00:12:21
Brian Sanders
We know we're not gorillas. We're not cows. We have different digestive systems. We're not meant to be plant-based completely. But if you're doing some sort of pescatarian diet or you're including some good dairy and you're eating eggs and you're having some oysters and fish,
00:12:37
Brian Sanders
great. I mean, that's fine. Maybe, maybe your plate looks super plant based. But you can do some version of that and it actually could be a nutrient dense, complete nutrition, you know, complete bioavailable protein and nutrients. If you're including, you know, the seafood and dairy. Okay, good for you.
00:12:59
Brian Sanders
You know, and there's all these other people on the internet that are yelling like, this is terrible. And like, you have to eat red meat and like this and that, like, no, you don't have to do anything. You just need to have your body doesn't care the name of your diet. Your body cares about protein and vitamins, minerals, and and then energy to get through the day that can come from fat or carb. And as long as you're getting the right amounts of those and the correct ratios and in the correct forms and in their whole form, which we can get into too, right? It's like the difference between whole foods and processed foods really plays a role in this. And and then how you're going to regulate.
00:13:38
Brian Sanders
ah your appetite and how you're going to not become overweight. And it's this slow gradual process that you don't really even realize is happening. right It's like no one becomes overweight and sick in a month or even a year. It's really years and years.
00:13:57
Brian Sanders
so There's a there's a lot that plays into this and so you can't be dogmatic about it. And yeah, that's generally the the high level stuff that I've been on this journey 10 years now, seven years full time and I've learned a lot.
00:14:13
Liev Dalton
Amazing. Yeah. i I completely agree with that approach. And I was going to bring up the whole red meat thing too. Like, you don't have to eat cows or big game to eat an ancestral diet either. That's something I learned from, you know, Dr. Price's research. You know, when he looked at the tribes around the world, some of them were just eating rodents. The Aborigines down in Australia, they were just eating rodents, right? And they were in perfect health. Some of them ate primarily fish. Well, and I mean rodents and, send you know, different
00:14:42
Brian Sanders
Yeah.
00:14:42
Liev Dalton
plants and stuff like that too, right? But, um, like they, they weren't hunting big game, like maybe, you know, um, like they were the natives here in like Eastern Canada. They probably ate a lot of moose and bear and stuff, and they ate a lot of fish. They had a lot of salmon here. That was a big one. Um, I know, like I learned a lot from the, uh, Nishnabe people, like from Toronto area. Uh, one of my old mentors there, you know,
00:15:09
Liev Dalton
He was saying how like his ancestral diet would have been 90% salmon.
00:15:14
Brian Sanders
Hmm.
00:15:15
Liev Dalton
You know, they just ate salmon. It was in such abundance. It was easy. You could reach into the river, boom, grab a salmon just like that.
00:15:20
Brian Sanders
Hmm.
00:15:21
Liev Dalton
It's kind of funny. Like, you know, it's just, it's, there are many different ways to approach this. And I think when you look at nature, that's one of the things that you learn is holism, right?
00:15:32
Liev Dalton
You learn that there is, and it teaches you to avoid dogmatic ways of thinking as well, right? Because there's so many different ways of life um that all can be cohesive and and kind of and ah aligned with natural principles in a way, right?
00:15:46
Brian Sanders
Mm.
00:15:49
Brian Sanders
Well, humans are the most diverse species on Earth, we can live anywhere.
00:15:50
Liev Dalton
So.
00:15:55
Brian Sanders
And we and we just are super smart, like I was saying, and we can look at our environment and get good nutrition, no matter what it is, no matter what the environment is by the equator, it's going to be different from up north.
00:15:55
Liev Dalton
Yes. Hang on.
00:16:10
Brian Sanders
And we can make you can make a nutrient dense diet that's super complete and and ideal for humans, no matter where you are on the Earth. Well, until hu I love Weston Price, I, I have a podcast myself called Peak Human. I've about 220 episodes and I probably brought up Weston Price on 170 of them. It was kind of my joke. It's like, can I bring it up in every podcast? Him up, but, uh, love everything about it. And I'm working on episode two of my food lies documentary series. And we have a whole section on Weston Price and some of the other explorers that came after him and that found the same things.
00:16:48
Brian Sanders
So yeah, it's it's a great way to so the kind of like, yeah, verify modern science, more ancient, you know, paleoanthropologic research and, you know, Western price and everything lines up, you know, like when you, if you're vegan, it things aren't going to make much sense because you're, you're, you're not going to come to, you're going to be wrong a lot. Like I was saying before, and if you have this more ancestral approach and a more open-minded approach, it's not dogmatic.
Approach to Food Lies Series
00:17:17
Brian Sanders
Everything falls into place. Everything makes sense. It's like the theory of everything. Everything's right with the world.
00:17:25
Liev Dalton
Yeah, cool. So obviously the, the food lies is a big page, gained a lot of traction, really impressive. Uh, I'm really interested in kind of the, maybe if you just want to give like a little couple minute presentation on like, what have you learned in pursuing that specifically, right? Looking at the food industry itself and the problems they're in, you know, like, um,
00:17:56
Liev Dalton
the way that it's structured, the way that we get our food, you know, kind of maybe just give us a little rundown on it.
00:18:01
Brian Sanders
Yeah, I fell into social media to start off with the actual food lies account, just because I was making this docu series. And I didn't know what I was doing. I didn't have a monet monetization plan. And I didn't have anything going for me. So I started podcast started the social media. And it just grew into a movement.
00:18:25
Brian Sanders
And so yeah, people can follow me on on Instagram is mainly where I post at food dot.lies, but it's huge learning experience of putting information out in the public. And it's, it's like I'm kind of making the docu-series along with the world and getting live feedback.
00:18:45
Brian Sanders
right and And it's really cool doing it along the way. and And then I can see what resonates with people, you know, and then I or I learn from other people on social media or really, I've interviewed over 300 people now for the series or for my podcast or just in general.
00:19:03
Brian Sanders
And so that that's part of my goal is that you don't like I'm not going to just go down one path and just think I'm right. It's like how many people can I interview? And and I think my role is the communicator in all this, you know, so even people listening, why am I listening to this guy? He doesn't have a nutrition degree or a doctorate. But I am really doing my best to be the communicator for all the great people that are doing the work.
00:19:33
Brian Sanders
and putting it together into something that makes sense and is easy to understand. right So that's kind of what I've been doing full-time for seven years. And and then, yeah, it's taken me in all different directions. It's taken me into regenerative agriculture. right It's like, okay, if we're going to be eating animals, how do we do it properly?
00:19:54
Brian Sanders
It's taken me into more precisely the food lies, right? And which is sort of big food and that whole industry, which I learned a lot about. There's also big pharma and and the sick care system, right? That's a big aspect to it too.
00:20:11
Brian Sanders
ah There's big government too, like even worldwide up to the WHO and what's going on there and what is their agenda and why, why did they say in 2015 that red meat was a carcinogen and processed red meat, you know, was bad for us, stuff like that. There's, there's so much to the story.
00:20:31
Brian Sanders
when you really want to understand it all. Because I talk to so many people along the way. I talk to random people. I talk to doctors. I talk to Uber drivers. I talk to so many people. And if you just tell them one part of the story, they're not going to believe you or it's not going to make sense.
00:20:49
Brian Sanders
And they're just, cause they've heard so much of like, well, my doctor said that my cholesterol is high and I need to avoid red meat and I i shouldn't eat eggs or seafood or like whatever, like lobster, cause it has high cholesterol. and And then someone else would say, well, I heard that it's the number one cause of of carbon emissions is from animal agriculture. I'm like, well, that's insane. That's not correct at all. ah That's like from a vegan film that, and it's completely debunked.
00:21:19
Brian Sanders
but So there's all these different ideas that have been put out in the mainstream. And it's really hard to for normal people that are living their life and you know have their job and their family to sort through it. So I mean, hopefully by the end of this podcast, even people already know probably if they're listening a lot of this stuff, but maybe they can send it to a friend and and it all makes sense that if you you look at all these different pieces of the puzzle and you kind of undo the I think a lot of his propaganda undo a lot of the propaganda from the mainstream because they they're what I found is really it's a bit these are big industries
00:22:01
Brian Sanders
the The sick care system, the the medical system and pharmaceuticals in the US, it's the top four industries in the entire US are all in sick care. there There's three trillion dollar industries. maybe The fourth one I think is close to a trillion as well. And they're all just medical, pharmaceutical, all that. So there's a lot of money into keeping the status quo, to keeping the systems the way they are, there' the big food as well.
00:22:32
Brian Sanders
and It's not even like conspiracy stuff, right? Like it's just, this is how the world works. The the food system makes so much money and then actually makes the chronic disease system and the sick care system a lot of money. And it kind of
What Challenges Do Farmers Face Today?
00:22:50
Brian Sanders
just is this revolving door of money and patients and disease management instead of fixing any of the the problems.
00:22:58
Brian Sanders
So again, I guess i'm I'm talking in high level stuff right now. But if you want to drill down on any of these, ah let's do it.
00:23:10
Liev Dalton
Yeah, definitely. Um, I think one of the biggest realizations that I kind of have was like how incentivized it is also to like, like take a big agriculture, for example, right? Large farming operations, you know, 90, I forget the exact statistics. It's well in the 90%. It might even be 98% of farmers can't afford to seed their field every year.
00:23:40
Liev Dalton
And so what happens is you need a loan to be able to literally plant your crops, right? Because farming is not a very profitable, profitable endeavor, right?
00:23:52
Liev Dalton
And I grew up around a lot of farmers. I have the utmost respect for farmers. Um, but just the way that it's structured, if you want to get a loan for, you know, sowing your fields, there's a requirement to put down a certain amount of
00:24:05
Brian Sanders
Mm hmm.
00:24:11
Liev Dalton
fertilizer and like, we're just talking about MPK, synthetic fertilizers here. Like, so you need to put a certain amount of fertilizer down and you need to put a certain amount of pesticides in that field as well. It's a requirement to be able to get the loan to just put seeds in your field, right? Uh, I actually took a, an organic agriculture class and it was all about transitioning firms to organic agriculture.
00:24:37
Liev Dalton
You simply are just in the hole for like five years and none of it's incentivized, right? um it It just, there's there's no there's no money in it. And that's kind of one way that I approached it was looking at it from like a business point of view too, like looking for where the money's going, where's it coming from? And that to me gave me a lot of insight. you know When you look at it, you know because it is a business, there's there's no way ah around it, the pharmaceutical industry, it's an industry, it is a business, you know, and I do think that they're good hearted people that work for it. ah But the way that it's structured, it's structured as a business and businesses need to make money and they want to make money forever, if they can. So, you know, again, changing the status quo and ah and understanding of health and wellness and food systems, anything like this, you know, they they don't want that to change. And if it does change,
00:25:37
Liev Dalton
They want to be in control of that change so that they can adapt their systems to continue to make their stuff profitable, right? Like it's simple, you know, it's profit. If there's no profit, there's no money. Well, then there's no, there's nothing for them at least, right? That's a business way of thinking, and you know, generally, so sovereignly speaking, I don't agree with that, but anyways.
00:25:58
Brian Sanders
Yeah, well, yeah, I didn't know how it works. But yeah, I think it was around six years ago, I talked to Gabe Brown. People may ah know about him. He's doing regenerative ag or like holistic management doing um mixed agriculture using plants and animals no till ah you know you know using all these things in a big way. He's actually in a new film Common Grounds that I saw that hasn't kind of come out to the public yet, but I was at this the premiere and talked to him six years ago about this. And he told me about the that you could not get alone. You have to play in the system.
00:26:35
Brian Sanders
to to do it. And so it was only kind of by accident and by tragedy that he got into this and he's doing it in 5000 acres, probably more by now. So he's actually doing it in a big way. It's possible in a big way. And he told me, I mean, you can listen to my podcast with him. ah He there was, ah I think it was There was like year after year, his crops were ruined by hailstorms in North Dakota or something and getting ruined by weather. And he had to just figure it out on his own, right? He he he he was going to go broke and he just was like, how am I going to do this? So he started learning about no-till and just doing all the natural holistic methods. And eventually, you know, five, yeah six, seven years, it started working and paying off.
00:27:25
Brian Sanders
And so yeah, I see how hard it is. People can't just do it. And then you're talking about the solution,
Can Consumer Demand Drive Agricultural Change?
00:27:32
Brian Sanders
right? And then like, like, can we do this? And and just in general, like you know, being solution minded, ah he gave me some insight on that is that they people are following the money in a good way. So he told me six years ago, he didn't tell me who but big companies, big corporations were investing in grass-fed Grass fed grass finished regenerative stuff like that because they saw that consumers are wanting that more. So he was saying he was working with some of these big corporations and helping them.
00:28:01
Brian Sanders
consulting with them, right? And saying, Okay, let's do this. Like, this is how you do it. And you can do it in a big way. And then you could make money. And so that's what's going to talk to the this the change is if consumers want it, and then the big companies can allocate some of their resources towards that it's going to be a slow transition, but it it's possible.
00:28:24
Liev Dalton
Great point. Uh, and I mean, like one of my principles kind of as a person is, and this is kind of timely. Uh, I like this idea of voting with your dollars, right?
00:28:37
Brian Sanders
Mm hmm.
00:28:38
Liev Dalton
Obviously big, very timely, right?
00:28:38
Brian Sanders
Today, very timely today. Yeah, no. ah
00:28:43
Liev Dalton
Um, yeah, but you know, that's the thing. It's like, if there's a, if there's consumers, you know, there will be business there. So that's a really good point. Um, Yeah. You know, I talked to, I have a ah friend down in the valley there and you know, he talks, he he has a fully closed system, a firm. It's fully closed. He doesn't have any inputs outside of his property and he doesn't do it large scale. Um, he also doesn't make any money off of it. He kind of just gives it out to sickly people in the community to try and help them heal. Very benevolent man. Like I really, really respect this gentleman. I mean, but he was a,
00:29:22
Liev Dalton
very, very esteemed individual prior to starting his, uh, farming life, I guess you could say. Um, so he kind of supports himself financially because he's, he lost so much money getting into it.
00:29:35
Liev Dalton
Um, and you know, now it's fully closed. It doesn't cost him a dime. Right. And it's like that small sacrifice of the money that he put into it, small in quotations, right?
00:29:43
Brian Sanders
Mhm. Mhm.
00:29:46
Liev Dalton
Obviously not everyone's able to fork out, um, the price of that, but. now he has a system that can quite literally go on forever and not just go on forever at the same rate.
00:29:58
Liev Dalton
Like his soil quality is increasing every year. His organic matter is increasing every year. Like you look at the fields like regenerative agriculture and there's like way more soil than their neighbor.
00:30:10
Liev Dalton
It just like builds up.
00:30:10
Brian Sanders
Mm hmm.
00:30:11
Liev Dalton
You have to build like a new fence. Like that's like a story that I i hear you hear every once in a while. Like that you just to build all this organic matter because you're, you're, it's all about, increasing that productivity every year, right? So these, these systems and these principles are out there. And I think that, you know, tying it back into our earlier conversation about like a more ancestral way of life, maybe they, you know, maybe we were all hunter gatherers at one point, maybe some people would, I I'm, I don't know, but at the same, like you could still look at nature to see what nature does. Right. And integrate that into our modern practice of
00:30:51
Liev Dalton
harvesting food, right? So like no till you brought that one up. That's a huge one. Permaculture, right? Not seeding huge monocrop fields, stuff like that that, that's really unnatural. So I think that there's a lot to be learned there as well.
00:31:04
Brian Sanders
Well, the ancestral principle is we don't have to go all the way back. So yeah, so like we can like, so since agriculture, now we have agriculture and it's fine.
00:31:08
Liev Dalton
Yeah, you're right.
00:31:13
Brian Sanders
And we can, we can do it correctly. And then yes, we could still look to nature and, and use nature and make it work harmoniously and have this, these natural cycles and natural everything.
00:31:27
Brian Sanders
There's another one, ah another documentary, Biggest Little Farm. which is another good one. And I visited john and Molly, they're near in the LA area. And it's great film, the guy's a cinematographer. So he was collecting footage for years while they made this film. So it's beautiful. And they found out how to make it work together. They had all these snails, and they're they're infesting ah the orchards. And then they're like, what are we going to do? We're not going to use pesticides, or we don't want to kill all these snails.
00:31:55
Brian Sanders
with, you know, chemicals or something. So then they got in ducks or geese or something. It's been a while since I saw it but then all the these ducks were eating all the snails, they're getting tons of nutrients. And they took care of the problem. And so they just went through all these iterations and they figured out how to yeah, have like very few inputs. I don't know if they have outside inputs or not. But nature just works. So yeah, that's kind of the main principle I'm talking about.
00:32:21
Brian Sanders
back to nature, human, and so all this stuff. Sapien, really, my my broader mission is sapien. And that means just back to human and looking to nature for
Drawbacks of Processed Foods
00:32:34
Brian Sanders
everything. And and I don't think you can cheat nature. This is what I've learned along the way. Anytime you try to cheat nature, it always goes haywire. And processed foods are the easiest example of that. So we thought that we could Well, say go back to 12,000 years ago, we thought we could just grow a bunch of grains and, you know, settle down and things were going to be fine. And we didn't know that.
00:32:59
Brian Sanders
Food is a lot more than calories, so we could support big cities eventually, right? we Our populations could grow by relying on a bunch of grains, but we didn't realize that that was at the expense of nutrients and that our diet was just lower in protein and nutrients because we were relying too much on breads and grains and all this stuff.
00:33:19
Brian Sanders
And people got shorter, like you can see this in the archaeological record, people got shorter, our brains got smaller, and we had more disease. And you can see this all in the record right when we started agriculture. And then there's even times in history when there's severe malnutrition and lower lifespans and just shorter height, actually. I mean, if you look at times in history when we just relied on grains too much and these cheap kind of filler foods,
00:33:45
Brian Sanders
People were 5'4", men were 5'4 on average. right and Then we got proper nutrition and our our height as a population height went up. right so You can really tell nutrition status by your diet over time on a population level. so That's really interesting to me. is yeah like just see yeah Learning from your environment, using the environment,
00:34:07
Brian Sanders
ah learning from nature, not cheating nature. I was talking about processed foods as the ultimate example of cheating nature. So zoom ahead to, yeah, modern processed foods are terrible. So people are getting enough calories, but now where everyone's chronically sick and obese, right? So that's because when you try to cheat nature, basically take apart food and put it back together again into food like products,
00:34:36
Brian Sanders
People are out there. Oh, you just need to count calories and that's all that matters. And then you'll you'll be the correct way and everything's fine. No, that's not how nature works. our Our bodies aren't just calorie machines. We need nutrients. We need protein as you know the main nutrient we need.
00:34:53
Brian Sanders
and Yeah, even the the the act of grinding down food into powder, right? It's in flour or even grind, like taking oils, unnatural oils and then putting them through some 12 step process and making canola oil.
00:35:10
Brian Sanders
that is cheating nature and it's it has a lot of repercussions and your body sees these inputs differently right and then so there there's a lot there and people still don't even recognize what the problem these are causing right people are still out there saying oh well all that matters is calories and you know it's like well You can't just look at, you can't just like have a protein bar and think that it's equivalent to say, yes, a steak, that's a piece of meat that we've eaten for all of history. Your body.
00:35:47
Brian Sanders
If we talk about satiety, that like your body is reacting to that food differently in your gut. There's different blood sugar response. There's different. Proteins that we can absorb and not absorb different minerals, vitamin, and it's a slow process that yeah, maybe a body builder can just eat protein bars and, you know, or broccoli and chicken breasts and cut weight in its short term, but like long-term.
00:36:15
Brian Sanders
People can't regulate their appetite the same way, right? or Or do something sustainably or get proper nutrition. So yeah, these are the things that I'm really interested in is like the more long-term stuff.
00:36:28
Liev Dalton
And you know, I want to tie it back into what you were saying there earlier, right? It's like, these are not necessarily the most immediate effects either. There are immediate effects, right? When you eat, when I eat bad, I feel bad right away.
00:36:40
Brian Sanders
Yeah. feels yeah
00:36:41
Liev Dalton
I mean, um, you know, but if you build up like a tolerance almost to eating bad food, it doesn't really affect, like when I used to like, when I was in university, like first year, like I had a McDonald's three times a week.
00:36:58
Liev Dalton
and more probably and i and if I was eating meal hall I was eating french fries and like a bunch of crap like oh I didn't necessarily feel bad every time I ate it until I started really eating whole foods and then now when I eat you know processed foods I'm like boom wow that's intense and it's right away and I can really feel it but um when you build up this tolerance you know you can kind of
00:37:10
Brian Sanders
Yeah.
00:37:25
Liev Dalton
almost sustain that for a long time. Like our bodies do adapt to what you give it, right?
00:37:29
Brian Sanders
Mm hmm.
00:37:30
Liev Dalton
So if you only give it, you know, it will survive off of like lower quality foods. And, um, this is why like someone could go vegan for 10 years.
00:37:41
Liev Dalton
You know, they're not going to die in that 10 years, but you know, you might see overall a decline over time. Um, same with the bodybuilders.
00:37:52
Liev Dalton
They might be in insane shape when they're competing. Um, you know, but then over time depends on what they do after their compete and stuff like that. Right. It's very individual and hypothetical, I guess, in a way, but, um, yeah.
00:38:04
Brian Sanders
No, this stuff. It's just I love this stuff. This is stuff I think about the most. And you're right, your body gets used to it I know so many people. I was that guy. Yeah, I was 30. And I was trying to manage calories, ah eating my best, you know what I mean? Like I was doing the best I could. I didn't want to overeat. I didn't want to be fat. But I was just 25 pounds overweight, really of fat, and not enough muscle. And yeah It just happens to everyone. It happened to my parents. They weren't obese, they weren't a mess, but they were just, you you you think you're okay, you're you're scraping by, you're eating just like everyone else does, and then it's just a slow thing. you I like the vegan thing too. You don't die in those 10 years. It's actually a natural adaptation that humans have, is that we're able to get just enough nutrition out of all the plant foods,
00:39:02
Brian Sanders
to survive basically some crazy climate catastrophe or some hunt, you know, we couldn't hunt animals for some reason for a month.
Human Adaptation to Diets
00:39:11
Brian Sanders
Yeah, we developed the ability to go into the fallback mode. I call it kind of like the fallback diet, right? It's like, yes, you you can lose weight on vegan. That's a fallback diet. That's like your body has developed the ability to not die.
00:39:24
Brian Sanders
But that doesn't mean you're thriving, you can lose some weight. But I mean, you're, you're not getting enough nutrients, you you could be damaging your body long term by just getting under not enough nutrition, you could be like ruining your thyroid, there's all these problems that the vegans will get. So yeah, it's it's hard for people to think long term though. ah Humans, there's kind of this fatal flaw of being human is immediate gratification. You know, and it's like, it's really hard to think long term as a human.
00:39:54
Brian Sanders
And I think. for all the history, we kind of didn't have to. And it was kind of advantageous. I think more back in the day, if you're thinking about 50,000 years ago, you didn't really have to think long term because everything around you was nutritious and healthy. You know what I mean? Like everything you you kind of just did things and you needed count, you know, you needed food and the food you got was good, right? It was whole and real. And now, since we have modern society and there's tons of modern convenience,
00:40:26
Brian Sanders
Now that like that that that our brains, it's kind of to our disadvantage. So you have to fight all the urges of having the immediate gratification and having whatever you want.
00:40:39
Brian Sanders
right? It's like, it it's, well, the bigger theory is is the mismatch.
00:40:41
Liev Dalton
Yeah.
00:40:44
Brian Sanders
I've read a book called the by Daniel Lieberman, I think it was a story of the human body or something. He's, you know, good, decent scientist, actually, he's he's gotten some things wrong. But ah that like, it mismatches diseases, maybe people have coined it before him, that there's just a mismatch, right?
00:41:00
Brian Sanders
It's a mismatch between our genes, our ancient genes and the modern environment. And that's really the the, if you zoom out enough, that's the biggest problem we're facing is that we're just not set up for this modern world.
00:41:13
Liev Dalton
um
00:41:16
Brian Sanders
So people like you and I, and you know, all the people doing this more intentional lifestyle or ancestral or whatever sapien type stuff, you kind of have to go out of your way to not be just a modern consumer, like everyone else's.
00:41:33
Liev Dalton
And yeah, this is like, this is like a, what I discussed in a lot of my YouTube videos actually is like that mismatch, um, our bodies and our adaptive nature, like especially, um, cause even like, as and it also highlights some problems in the way science is communicated in a way and even maybe conducted a little bit. Like, so when you are eating a lot of plants, say you're vegan, right? They'll look at your microbiome. You have a completely different gut microbiome than you do when you eat,
00:42:10
Liev Dalton
primarily animal products, let's say, right? um Now, it's necessary because to extract the nutrients from plants, you need different bacteria. You know, without bacteria, there is no digestion. It's as simple as that. There's no plants can't uptake nutrients. Humans can't take in nutrients, right? It's it's absolutely necessary. So these microbes change.
00:42:33
Liev Dalton
Now in science, what they'll do is they'll like they'll point to that and they'll be like, look, your micro your microbiome is different on a vegan diet. and Look at your microbiome on an animal diet. Look how unhealthy that looks compared to what this looks like. like we don't like You know what I mean? like it's It's theory-laden, right? We have our preconceived ideas and we're like, oh, let's look at this evidence.
00:42:55
Liev Dalton
um Anyways, you could swing it either way, right? You could say, look at this. We don't know what a healthy microbiome in quotations kind of looks like, right? A priori. Um, that's kind of a difficult thing to conceive.
00:43:08
Liev Dalton
You know, if you're going to think about it, a priori, you could think, you know, let's look at the microbiome of someone who's living, you know, in an untouched tribe or something like that. That would probably be a better way to go about that. Um, yeah, you know, but our body, please.
00:43:20
Brian Sanders
Well, well, no, I did. like I tried. I mean, I didn't do that specifically. I didn't test our microbiome, but I did go with people modern tribes.
00:43:28
Liev Dalton
Yes.
00:43:30
Brian Sanders
A few people left and I went to Tanzania and Uganda a few years ago and they live completely differently. And then of course they have a different microbiome, but I think there's a lot of problems with the thinking and exactly what you're saying is true.
00:43:50
Brian Sanders
We think that you need a hundred types of plant foods to be healthy because maybe some Dr. ah Herman Ponser went out there. Another guy I talked to on the phone, which I did not have a good conversation with because he's kind of like thinks the food pyramid is that is
Misunderstanding Blue Zones
00:44:10
Brian Sanders
it. He's like, we already know what health is. It's grains and plants.
00:44:15
Brian Sanders
A lot of people are caught up in that who are of a certain age, but if they see the Hadza over the course of a year, eating a hundred types of plants, they think that that's why they have a good microbiome. And I had a completely different interpretation of that. Not that I am a scientist or, you know, I've done better science than Herman Ponser, but I just think he's caught up in the wrong paradigm and and a bit of the ah old thinking.
00:44:41
Brian Sanders
that They're out there. They caught an animal that is we showed up and they had this small deer as a tick tick. And they cut it open with a knife. It was like they they kind of only had the only modern things they had was a knife and shorts. ah Shorts are actually a great invention. ah It's really hard to like, wear fashion your own clothes out of an animal skin, right? ah Shorts are really handy. So they trade for, you know, modern shorts.
00:45:10
Brian Sanders
They make their own bows. They actually trade for some of their arrows or metal tips. And there's another tribe called the de Toga, the blacksmiths, and they collect random loose metal from villages. And then they know how to use a say like a cow's stomach as bellows and heat up fire enough to melt the scrap metal and make arrowheads. And I saw them do is amazing. So they trade the arrowheads to the Hadza. So the Hadza out there hunting. So all they have is some a modern knife, modern some modern semi modern arrowheads and shorts, but everything else they just make from hand and of animals and whatnot. So they're out there. And they cut open this little baby deer thing. And with a knife that's never been washed, and they open it up on a rock that's covered in dirt and
00:46:00
Brian Sanders
whatever And there's dogs, they're hunting dogs. There's these wild dogs that come hunting with them and they cut it open. They give some of the guts to the dogs. They, they cut open that cut out the liver. And so they pass, they, they cut a piece of the liver that was covered in dust and bacteria and whatever dogs saliva.
00:46:21
Brian Sanders
And it had intestines all over it, right? So it had the animals, and it was green and yellow. So you know this is this is where they're getting their microbiome from. This is what I'm saying. so And I ate it. And they were surprised that I ate it. But I ate a piece of this raw liver. And they they shared it around to people because they know that this is this healthy thing that they should eat first.
00:46:44
Brian Sanders
and they're not they weren't out there like at a whole foods market you know they're not at something like modern grocery store oh i need all all the colors of the rainbow i need to get my microbiome fed now they're out there eating animals mainly and eating off the ground and eating and having intestines all over it and dirt and this and that that is from and then also just from paleoanthropologic anthropologic research and from basic like just logic you know that this is what was going on is that these people are just out there eating animals and off the ground and this is why they have a good microbiome
00:47:27
Brian Sanders
ah They and maybe over the course of the year they had to rely on random plant foods and berries. Just because that was around them and that's what they needed to survive but they were not healthy because they ate a hundred types of plants over the course of the year.
00:47:43
Brian Sanders
right they were They were healthy because they were living like humans. They were eating nose to tail. They were eating mainly animal foods, really. And they got, yes, a diversity of fruits and random and honey and stuff like that and tubers along the way. Not that they're bad, right? There's nothing wrong with the fruit and honey and tubers. It's just that wasn't the the reason they're healthy.
00:48:11
Liev Dalton
Yeah. you know And I think that's interesting, right? Because this is where that theory-ladenness comes in, is that you know depend you look at this this tribe and what they're doing and you say, well, they eat a hundred different plants a year.
00:48:24
Liev Dalton
That's what we need. And then you ignore the rest of their lifestyle, right? like um ah You don't include it in your data or your paper or whatever, right?
00:48:28
Brian Sanders
Haha, yeah.
00:48:33
Brian Sanders
Oh, then you sit at home playing video games watching Netflix, you're in your apartment, you're not getting sleep, you're not getting any like natural light, you're afraid of the sun, you're eating ah grains as a base of your diet, and then you're avoiding red meat. And then never eating Oregon meats, never, you know, thinking eggs are gonna kill you. And then think you're gonna be healthy because you're gonna eat 100 plant foods. It's crazy.
00:48:57
Liev Dalton
It's crazy. It is. That probably ties into like partly your criticism with the blue zones, right? Kind of selecting what you're saying about these zones. Am I, am I kind of on the right track there?
00:49:07
Brian Sanders
Yeah, I've been to some of them. And my friend, Mary's a medical nutritionist and has traveled to a lot of them and and put out some content debunking them. These people are eating animal foods nose to tail, like they're not plant based, but they're also doing 99 other good things.
00:49:19
Liev Dalton
it
00:49:24
Brian Sanders
Right?
00:49:24
Liev Dalton
Yeah.
00:49:24
Brian Sanders
And then the blue zones, yeah, they're doing a lot of very good things. They're eating whole foods. Maybe that's number one, like their diet, all the blue zones, they are eating whole foods. They're not eating a lot of processed foods.
00:49:36
Brian Sanders
These are people living traditionally. So that's great. And they're all eating some sorts of animal foods. So again, that's great. This the guy Dan Buettner, who I think is fraudulent sort of guy that's not a scientist and just, you know, came with a preconceived notion of vegetarianism and made a lot of money off this and and cherry pick data and you know, just came with this theory and and set out to prove his theory instead of looking at what was actually they were actually eating. And ah yeah, so they they were eating whole foods. They're all including animal foods. They were definitely that this is what humans have always done.
00:50:16
Brian Sanders
And they're living in communities. They have a sense of purpose later in life. They are outside in nature. They're moving. They're they're constantly exercising. that you know They have these old ladies gardening. They're like walking up with groceries. and to up hills and they're doing everything they're getting to sleep they're getting sun nature everything right community and eating whole foods so it's like yes these blue zones are doing so many good things and maybe some of them happen to be more plant based at certain periods but that's not why they were healthy
00:50:51
Brian Sanders
ah That was just sort of um ah like the nature of their environment like in Okinawa after World War Two they they were they didn't have much meat and they were forced to eat a lot of sweet potatoes and they just relied on sweet potatoes because that's all they had and they ate fish and they ate whatever they could get, right? So they weren't vegan at all, they were just happened to only have a lot of, that's all they had. And so now, this is the problem with these modern people that come and observe things and think they know what they're talking about. they they They're trying to, i I saw the stupid thing on Netflix, the Blue Zone, you know, live to 100, whatever it's called. So they're trying to like back into why, what's magical about these purple sweet potatoes that are making people live to 100?
00:51:36
Brian Sanders
And it's just so frustrating. It like hurts my head. and like Do you really think there's some magical compound in in purple sweet potatoes that makes you live to 100? Or is it people eating having no money and relying on completely whole foods? They have no money to just buy snacks and treats and sodas and whatever. They didn't even have them maybe back then.
00:52:00
Brian Sanders
And they're doing everything correct. And that's why they're healthy. And this is another human flaw in the immediate gratification type of thing is everyone's like looking for the cheat code. They're like, Ah, if we can just figure out why what's in these purple sweet potatoes that makes people so healthy, then we're gonna solve this.
00:52:21
Brian Sanders
problem of of dying, we're going to be we're gonna live, everyone's gonna live so much longer. And it's so dumb. It's so it's such like a human flaw thing to think of, that we're gonna skip all the foundational pillars of being human and we're going to just extract a compound or just eat tons of sweet potatoes that are purple and think that that's going to make us live forever instead of doing the work. You know what I mean? it's like It's like the biohackers. I just don't really agree with a lot of the biohacking people. They're like, oh, I'm going to wear gadgets and gizmos and I'm going to do all these like crazy things and I'm going to live forever. And meanwhile, I've seen them. They're just eating like french fries and
00:53:07
Brian Sanders
You know, they're just like, they're, they're obese and they just think that they can shortcut their way into good health because they ate some purple sweet potatoes.
00:53:17
Liev Dalton
Yeah. It's like a magic bullet way of thinking about life, right? yeah Everyone's looking for that magic bullet, the supplement or the pharmaceutical drug or the sweet potato or the the blue light blocking glasses.
00:53:30
Liev Dalton
You know, everyone's looking for that magic bullet.
00:53:32
Brian Sanders
I didn't. Well, it's kind of the human nature. It's hard. But it's like so it's like um um this whole sapien philosophy is letting people know, focus your money and your willpower.
00:53:36
Liev Dalton
Yeah.
00:53:44
Brian Sanders
You only have a certain amount of willpower and and focus in your day and money you know to spend on these things. Focus it on the right things. And these are just a foundational human things. so it like I use all my effort and willpower and everything to just getting the basics, eating real food, 98% of my meals, getting outdoors and exercising, getting my sleep, just doing that. And if I have time left over and willpower left over to put on some blue blocking glasses, then great. right that's That's just like a bonus to me.
00:54:19
Liev Dalton
Yeah. Awesome. Right on. Well, it might be a good time to kind of wrap things up here. Is there anything that you want to add to this episode? Anything that you might've missed or, or that you want to bring up?
00:54:30
Brian Sanders
Um, yeah, I guess I hope we haven't been too general like ah to I have this idea of like how, how to look at food and health that maybe can get specific and it'll start general that food is four things. It's
Understanding Food Balance
00:54:53
Brian Sanders
vitamins, and minerals, it's protein. These are your building blocks, right? These are your nutrients. And then it's energy, which is fat and carbs.
00:55:03
Brian Sanders
Right? So it's food. It's kind of like these four things. It's protein, vitamins, and minerals. And then it's fats and carbs. Generally it's like the first two are your nutrients, your building blocks, and the latter two are more of your energy sources to get you through the day.
00:55:17
Brian Sanders
And your body doesn't care the name of your diet. It cares that you're getting enough nutrients to build it and enough energy to get it through the day. And for all of history, we got that by hunting and gathering around us. And it came naturally nowadays.
00:55:35
Brian Sanders
it's It's 80, 90% of people's diets is low on nutrients and high on energy. right So they're eating not enough protein, not enough good quality, complete protein right from animal sources, ah not enough vitamins and minerals for many reasons, even the soil's depleted. If you're going to look at plants, they're a lot depleted in vitamins and minerals as well. ah And they're eating too much energy from fats or carbs. right So eating Processed foods, you're screwed from the get-go. Low nutrients, high energy. All processed foods are low nutrient, high energy. And so yeah, I'm not blaming carbs for every problem. it's It's basically empty energy, empty calories that people are eating from processed foods. from It could be fake fats, right? The seed oils, all these kind of fake fats we haven't eaten, or the just empty carbs, processed sugars, processed grains, stuff like that.
00:56:33
Brian Sanders
So if you look at food in kind of this nutrient to energy paradigm, nutrient to energy ratio, then you're going to do a lot better and it's not very sexy. You know, you're not going to be like a carnivore influencer and, you know, have have like great ah follower account because you're talking about the nutrient to energy and stuff. People don't want to hear about it. They just want to know what to eat.
00:57:00
Brian Sanders
And so I guess i yet to get more specific, if you're eating whole food, if you're eating meat, eggs, fish, fruit, quality, grass, at raw dairy, ah just simple things, potatoes.
00:57:16
Liev Dalton
Thanks so much.
00:57:16
Brian Sanders
You can eat your sweet potato, eat even rice. I mean, I cook white rice and bone broth, you know, get some more nutrients back in it. If you're eating these foods, you're, without having to count really, you're going to be getting enough protein, vitamins, minerals, getting your nutrients and the right amount of energy naturally. Because you're eating foods in their whole form and your body knows what to do with them and it works.
00:57:43
Brian Sanders
So that's, that's kind of my thing is I don't think about even like my per meal or per day, I'm thinking like on a month level, almost it's like, am I and I will actually boils down to per meal, because if you you know, it's like per meal, I'm getting high nutrients, and the correct amount of energy. And over the course of the month, I've done that. But also, if I'm at a party,
00:58:07
Brian Sanders
and I have some ice cream, I'm not sad or mad or stressed out about it. Because over the course of my month, that's perfectly fine on my nutrient to energy scale. That makes sense, right? I mean, i I don't I don't go out and just eat french fries, because I'd rather just not eat, you know, these highly fried seed oils that could be ah in the fryer for weeks at a time or whatever, right? So I'm not trying to do that. But a little ice cream doesn't scare me. So basically eat a delicious diet of delicious foods that most people like and you're pretty good.
00:58:47
Liev Dalton
Yeah. Yeah, agreed. I think my conclusion for the episode, uh, for the YouTube community guideline people is that we should eat seed oils and be beyond meat and that cows are killing the planet.
00:59:01
Liev Dalton
Uh, just cause I did get a strike recently. So, uh, just to clear things up, babe, we do advocate for a full plant based diet here.
00:59:07
Brian Sanders
Oh, definitely.
00:59:09
Liev Dalton
Um,
Conclusion and Engagement Encouragement
00:59:12
Liev Dalton
no, no, but in all seriousness, that's, that's great. Yeah. Whole foods. I like the way you put it with the energy ratio, um, nutrient energy ratio. It's a good way to think about it.
00:59:20
Liev Dalton
It's a good way to kind of rationalize it.
00:59:21
Brian Sanders
yeah
00:59:22
Liev Dalton
I like it a lot. ah Where can the listeners learn more from you?
00:59:26
Brian Sanders
ah Yeah, food lies. I have the food lies YouTube channel got food lies Instagram food lies on x food lies everywhere peak human podcast. ah nose to tail. That's actually my company's name. I believe in eating nose to tail and yeah, you can go to nose tail.org got some great stuff beef tallow body care. You know, we have dried meat just some good products that I believe in and yeah, that's just that's where you can find me.
00:59:55
Liev Dalton
Awesome, brother. Really appreciate your time. This has been a fantastic episode.
00:59:59
Brian Sanders
All right, thanks man.
01:00:00
Liev Dalton
definitely Definitely. I don't want to thank you all for listening in. This is not medical advice or nutritional advice for your informational purposes only. Also remember that we're all responsible sovereign beings, capable of thinking, criticizing, understanding absolutely anything. We, the people in the greater forest are together, self-healer self-governable self self-governable, self-teachers, and so much more. Please reach out if you have any questions, criticisms, comments, concerns, whatever it may be in order to find me on Instagram.
01:00:22
Liev Dalton
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