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Ep. 248 – Cuckabee Slaps the Bass, Locke Grifts & Grinds, & the Deacon of Death
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This week we’re discussing a number of stories from across the internet, including the bizarre Sweet Home Alabama cover the current and former US ambassadors to Israel recently performed, Greg Locke continuing to be one of the worst people in the country, Dinesh D’Souza’s new documentary about the Israel/Palestine, another pastor with lavish tastes caught stealing donations, and the recent execution of Samuel Lee Smithers, a Florida fuddy-duddy sentenced to death for the murder of two women back in the 90’s. We hope you enjoy the show!
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Transcript
The Transformative Power of Truth
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Once embraced, the truth in this book will not only transform you, it will also deliver your children and their children and their children's children for all generations.
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When God places this prophetic sword in your hand, you will know you were born to be a spiritual king killer. That doesn't tell me anything about the book and its contents.
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What could it possibly be about? ah Powers and principalities. ah The demons behind wokeism, leftism, communism, transism, everything but fascism. All of it. 100%. It'll be all the isms, but the one that is actually taking over our country right now.
Growing Up Christian: Podcast Introduction
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Hello and welcome to Growing Up Christian. I'm Casey. And I'm Sam. And, dude, so we have a Discord. And in the Discord, you know, I'm not an active part of it, but they have a little album review group where people post albums and then you guys comment on them and talk about... Sam tells them what he hates about them.
00:01:29
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Yeah. And which is funny. No, here's why this is happening, though, because I've mentioned before I'm in another album review club and now I know how like like almost every album that's near and dear to my heart has been decimated by the people in this group.
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And so now I'm like, I'm doing that to others and I can't tell if it's subconscious, ah but but there's a lot I don't like and what I don't like and what the ones in my other group don't like um don't line up.
Musical Biases and Discoveries
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And I'm seeing that here now, ah but I've had some surprises. um Our previous guest in a frequent disc order, Michael, and put in a Chevelle album.
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And when I saw that, I said, I'm about to hurt somebody's feelings. And I felt a little, I was like, I have so many ideas going into this about this band because that was like a butt rock. Like that was with the butt rock era, right? There was yeah all that radio rock.
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I knew that one Chevelle song whose name I can't even recall. Is it, I really meant to say, no, they weren't, I really meant to say they were, um, what was it? The clincher. Oh, that might have been it. They had that one big hit that was on like every The Rock station ever.
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And... um i wanted to I was like, God, i i feel as soon i soon as I saw Chavella, was like, I'm really sorry. i really like this guy, but um probably I might hurt his feelings. And then I listened to it and was like, oh, so much.
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I thought it was good enough and and pretty decent to the point where the album he put in, was i thought it was good. It was rock. It's not my genre, but I was like in up against all things rock.
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Like this is actually decent. um So much so that I went to my other discord to my music review friends and I was like, is Chevelle not a trash band? And i got mostly like, like technically knows and theoretically not, but you know, obviously not for them, but I was just, um I was pleasantly surprised.
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So I'd like to think that my inherent, ah my, that desire I have, or maybe that subconscious desire I have to, to take out my anger on my friends for hating my music, making me hate other people's music isn't true because I, I came in with a decent review for Chevelle.
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That's true. Well, okay. I, I feel like regardless of all of that, you know, even, even with, you you know, you do having your best efforts of trying to like dispel the idea that you're a hater.
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Yeah. Yeah. I think it's going to be very difficult for you to suspend your your pre presuppositions about the next ah the song I'm about to show you.
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Another song. I love when you bring me songs because I usually have a fun slur in them. ah this one this This song is a slur. ah for the it's ah It comes down to us ah from from the greatest musician to ever serve this country.
Political Commentary and Media Critique
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ah former senator and ambassador to Israel, Mike Huckabee. Oh my God. You know how he likes to slap at a base, you know? Oh, I might've seen, and I haven't heard of this.
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I might've seen like a headline about it. Was this at a convention of some sort? What was it? No, no, no. It was in, I'm confusing it with something else. I think it was part of some like, Jerusalem hostage release after party thing. Are you being dead serious?
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I'm just going to play it.
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Who's singing?
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Some, some douchebag. It's like a comedian or something. Oh my God. This is what I saw. This is the headline. Oh, and Huckabee looks like a corpse, like he has no emotion on his face.
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and huckabee looks like a corpse like he has no emotion on his face And he's just trudging through that baseline. You'd think this would be the happiest day of his life, but maybe not because it it involves like a temporary suspension in the murder of Palestinians.
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So I don't Maybe he's not happy. Yeah, I see that being disappointing for him. like No, that is, I mean, allegedly, right? Technically, under the concept of the alleged ceasefire. yeah they just keep killing It hasn't stopped Israel from killing what it was like 65 Palestinians in the first four days of the ceasefire, only for them to talk about how they actually do need to keep invading Gaza because Hamas violated the ceasefire by not releasing the dead hostages under the rubble created by Israel bombs fast enough. I know it's it's really.
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Oh, yeah. When you get in the weeds, you realize that Israel's been right all along. we We are building context very heavily for a return, a vicious return to the the last two years norm.
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they They're definitely going to kick that back off again. it's There's no way this truce holds for more than like a month or two. No. but yeah Netanyahu, well, he gave a speech recently that was like ah basically saying whether or not they bring back all the hostages, like where...
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we're not stopping. um Yeah. And as though like the world can't translate a speech in Hebrew to the native language like that. He pulled a fast one on us. Dude just operates with impunity. He knows nothing matters and he can do whatever he wants.
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ah So and yeah, dude it's so wild not to, we don't have to go super deep down this rabbit hole because I know we got other things to get to, but it's It's wild because I remember when we were spending some time on the Russia-Ukraine war that i was a lot of my anger and frustration was pointing towards the fact that Russia is just doing whatever they want and we're like, no, don't do it. And then they do it and the world's like, stop. And they're like, no, thanks.
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and it And here it's still going on. And it was like, oh, this is like one of the first incidents in my life, except for, you know, the US war in Iraq, but it's different because it's the United States. Like as a kid, you're growing up like, yeah, we're the most powerful nation on earth. We'll nuke the fuck out of the whole fucking planet. Who cares?
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But yeah, Like i what i was like, this is just this this confirms for the first time in my life that you can just land grab, you know, and in like, yeah, ah what we did in the Middle East has been a disastrous failure, but it wasn't technically a ah land grab.
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And i like with Russia, was just like, this is nuts. Like no one can stop it. Everyone says to stop. They never stop. The world is against Russia, but they keep going. And it it was like, this just feels like an omen for the next thing like this to happen.
00:08:44
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Here we are over two years later just seeing. it's yeah like So what's the next one? you know it's This is just a thing. big it's It's a direct result of the United States loss of like like power projection around the world.
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But their insistence on continuing to play like these stupid political games in other people's countries. Right. We have to we have to stage coups and and tilt elections and send in 200 NGOs to like move the populace in a direction that we want them to, you know, because it's important. It's it's it's absolutely critical that we that we bring Ukraine into NATO, you know, yeah though that's a that's a Russian red line.
00:09:28
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It's just the whole thing's a mess. I mean, of course, Russia's, you know, terrible for invading and doing all that. stuff But it's just like we keep doing all this stuff and we don't have the, the nut to back it up anymore, you know? Right.
00:09:43
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and And why would we like, and we're not going like them, like speed run their way into a similar, into, into Iraq too, basically in, in Venezuela for like, for what, for what?
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Like, I don't understand what, you know, like all of a sudden the narratives all around like Maduro or whatever his name is being like a narco trafficker and stuff. And I had not heard that theory ever until two months ago.
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Like no one has ever said that before. I mean, it it ah I never heard anything about them being like narco trafficking capital. And in fact, like they aren't, I mean, i think it's, they said like 5% of us cocaine traffic comes from Venezuela.
00:10:26
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It's like nothing, it's nothing compared to like other countries around there and stuff. But, but it's, it's in, it's, you know, we have to invade and and force regime change there for some reason or another.
00:10:39
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Right. And now we're like doing all it's so wild. What the um I don't remember the name, but the. um Now the vocabulary is slipping my mind completely.
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The
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whatever Venezuela, they have the who's the person who's like going up against their whatever we call it president, whatever you call it. um Who got the Nobel Peace Prize? What's it?
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I'm I'm not sure. yeah Oh my God. Whatever. We won't get into it. Maybe I'll bring it next week. Cause it actually have more information. Cause it's all falling out my brain right now. But the person who got the Nobel peace prize ah was like, Oh, I dedicate this trip to to Donald Trump.
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And it's the, I'm going to give me a quick time in a second. Look it up. This good radio right here. Yeah, it is. But also our thing cuts out the silence. So if you didn't talk, it wouldn't have fucking mattered.
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Yeah.
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Nobel Peace Prize winner gives it to like, it she, my God. I love when it's just like, Hey, here's a picture of someone.
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Um, Fuck. um This is why we need a producer, man. I can't Google shit fast. ah Moving on. I'm a dude. Well, it's just a second because it all ties into that cool time magazine cover too, that I think is worth noting.
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um Oh yeah. It doesn't. Yeah. yeah refresh his He got a nice little chussy in that picture. guy ah it It doesn't directly correlate, but it goes all along with um with the grand concept. You saw, giving the Peace Prize to this in Hissen?
00:12:33
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dude it's he's He undeniably is turning into Boss Nass. I've thought about it a lot recently. Yeah.
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ah There was some amazing, I seen some amazing memes about it. um One, it was just like like like a yeah like a nylon thong, CGI'd over it. So it looked like it was like photoshopped over it. So it was like, looked like his neck was wearing panties. Yeah.
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ah One was just his head as a balloon held by a child. It was really nice stuff. And like all that neck folds rolled into the balloon knot. There's been some good shit about it.
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Yeah, he looks like he could retreat into his back fat like an MKUltra victim took a pot shot at him from a Pennsylvania roof. Maybe we didn't see it. Maybe the camera didn't show it, but that's what actually happened. He sucked his head in like a turtle to dodge the bullet.
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like um Like in Dana Carvey in the... Oh, yeah, Master of Disguise. Disguise. Turtle, turtle. You just hear him on the phone with Jinping being like,
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What if harm were to befall you? Terrible turtle harm.
00:13:54
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a So ah I found, ah so I wanted to check in on our buddy, ah ah Greg Locks, since I hadn't looked at his page in a while. Yeah, he he kind of lost ah momentum after COVID.
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Yeah, well, he's on ah he's really on a singular track these days. um Okay. Dude, it's reading his tweets is just so like, it's baffling.
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Like he he has literally made his entire brand like Israel promotion. o That's not surprising.
00:14:35
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Okay, so like here's some here's some recent tweets. He tweets a lot, by the way. He goes, The weak and woke American church thinks it's spiritual to stand around and pray for Goliath to have a change of heart.
00:14:47
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He says, Jew hate is a demonic soul cancer. Okay. Y'all want some facts? Here you go. Hamas is still murdering civilians and small-minded influencers with big platforms are claiming it's Israel.
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I'd love to see the receipts. Yeah. Supporting and standing with Israel is America first. It's an absolute best interest of America to honor God's eternal covenant. That's lot of caps.
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With Israel, if you can't handle that, go follow someone else. I'm over the Bible denying cowards and media deceived
Greg Locke's Controversial Views
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weak-minded people. That was actually a decent impression too.
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You have to read it and in in an angry voice, even if it's nonverbal, you know? Yeah, and I guess that's all it takes to make a good... ah Greg Locke impression is just reading something with an angry tone and a slight accent southern accent.
00:15:40
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Yeah, yeah, because he's from ah like Purgatory, Tennessee or something like that. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. If you are looking for a way to troll them, he kind of showed his hand here and gave you some ideas.
00:15:55
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So he says, the new gotcha response on X when someone has no argument and also has a hatred for Israel is $7,000. seven thousand dollars It's so stupid. It's totally made up.
00:16:08
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It's extremely immature, but it at least shows me who I absolutely refuse to align with. They're all lying cowards spreading nonsense. What is $7,000? So there was a big story that broke like two weeks. It's been a little longer than that, like three weeks ago or something about this like very deliberate Israeli...
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like PR project where they brought tons of influencers over to Israel and like gave them a tour, showed them around. They made a bunch of like, just absolutely scumbaggy content while they were there.
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And in some like leaked documents that came out, they showed that they're paying up to $7,000 a post for influencers to post positively about yeah Israel and the IDF and pro Israel in the war and all that. I saw that.
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And Greg does not think it's true. Well, because he's not getting that money and he doesn't believe things until the checks are signed. It's also, dude, the amount of, like lately, the amount of media influence that they're having, it's just like... It's terrifying. It's really scary when you look... Not that...
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More like sympathizers, right? um Is it abc know CBS that is ah the the new the new president or whatever? i don't even know, dude. It's just too much to keep track of.
00:17:36
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Barry Weiss. Also, I listened to some interviews with her. Holy cow. I've never heard someone blow so much smoke up their ass in my entire life. Oh, yeah. She's the worst. It's pretty incredible, actually.
00:17:50
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Um, she, yeah, she was like, even Instagram is, um, like the the, the level of like this, it's, it's now moving into like Instagram D platforming, uh, and censorship. Like it's just, it's, it's permeating everywhere now.
00:18:04
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Um, to the point where you're just like with, with the, with the Israeli Gaza situation being one of the most documented genocides in all of human history.
00:18:15
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Not according to Greg Locke. Right. It's, uh, and now you're like, Oh, cool. How much, how much more time before like all of that's just getting erased? How much more time before like YouTube that hasn't really done, like YouTube's made some weird choices over the years, but, uh, you've pretty much been still free to say whatever you want.
00:18:38
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Um, but like common, I mean, they're going to make, they're going to make a ah mad dash for that sort of control. I think, um, Like when you think of handful of like millionaires that, yeah, it's like a handful of billionaires like Larry Ellison that have the, the pockets to, to buy Tik TOK and CBS news. And yup yeah, it's funny though. Like you're saying like, uh, nobody pays attention to Greg Locke anymore.
00:19:06
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So I was kind of surprised to see a news article about him that he reposted. It says, ah Pastor Greg Locke issues a prophetic warning. The conservative movement must take heed from Red Sky Dispatch.
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I was like, somebody wrote an article about Greg Locke, and I clicked on Red Dispatch immediately sounds like we shouldn't pay attention to them. It's it's his. It's his outlet.
00:19:34
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It was like scrolling further down and I saw like Greg Locke also has like a world vision, this and that and red sky dispatch. And I'm like, Oh my God, he got me.
00:19:46
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Dude. He's so mad. He's so mad that he hasn't had any media attention for a while. Oh, I know. He's trying his hardest. um But while I was scrolling through his stuff, well, first off, I noticed that he has a new book out. Oh. Would you like to hear about it?
00:20:03
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AI generated or actually penned? um Well, it's hard to say, but he definitely used some AI generated content for the cover. So it's called the King Killers, and he put himself with a sword on the front.
00:20:18
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That looks cool. That looks like um he replaced, it looks like an amalgamation of images from Lord of the Rings posters with him just AI on top of it.
00:20:31
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Pretty much, yeah. it's ah it's That's the level of... of stuff we're working with here. Okay, so I'll give you the description here. The King Killers, hidden in plain sight, etched across centuries, waiting to be found.
00:20:47
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Is this a new Assassin's Creed game? Yeah, I told April, like I started reading this, I'm like, please let this be fiction. Please, I just want to see what a story from him like that would look like. Yeah. This is, uh, for generations, a quiet thread has run like lightning through the pages of scripture, binding the rise and fall of kings, toppling empires and shaping destinies.
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Most have read right past it. In The King Killers, Pastor Greg Locke rips back the veil on this forgotten message, lifting a sword once thundered by the prophets of God, but buried in history until now.
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Through its cutting edge, we see that God still avenges his people and moves just as mightily for all who dare to fully obey him today. Once embraced, the truth in this book will not only transform you, it will also deliver your children and their children and their children's children for all generations.
00:21:45
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When God places this prophetic sword in your hand, you will know you were born to be a spiritual king killer. That doesn't tell me anything about the book and its contents.
00:21:59
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What could it possibly be about? ah powers and principalities ah the demons behind wokeism leftism communism transism everything but fascism all of 100% it'll be all the isms but the one that is actually taking over our country right now but look I get that you're skeptical okay but you're not reading it for you you're reading it for your children's children's children for all generations okay
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Right, right, right. That's true. When I think about my... Dude, the wildest thing about having kids right now and the fact that I just brought a new child into this earth is that I just i brought them into the world that's basically going to be a nightmare for them.
00:22:47
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It does look that way. So in in his like about the author description thing down at the bottom, he he's got a picture in there with his new wife. And why did what? I don't remember. I think we talked about it.
00:23:02
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What happened with like there was some accusations against him. He divorced his wife and married his assistant three months later. Yeah, that's right. That's right. Nice. You know, God, God works fast sometimes.
00:23:15
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I mean, when God tells you. Also, dude, here's the thing that actually pisses me off is He like just doing that alone, that one act goes, you're entirely 100% full of fucking shit.
00:23:35
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Because yeah, it's not that you it's not that I have a problem with that. it Not with him. With him, I have a problem with that because he clearly was fucking the shit out of his secretary for like three years before he divorced his wife.
00:23:48
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But it's like, if you want to be a biblical literalist, there When you're working out of the New Testament, especially, which they really appreciate and like, ah I don't think Paul could have been more clear that ah divorced people are to remain divorced.
Religion: Literalism and Hypocrisy
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um But see... you're You're forgetting the sermons that he preached at the time. And, you know, he talked a lot about idolatry and the many forms that it can take.
00:24:21
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And for some people, they're failing marriage as an idol. That was a direct quote from him. And that you root out that idol and and cast it out.
00:24:35
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Perfect. And that if that's the case, then root that out, cast it out, castrate yourself or resign to a life of jerking off privately forever. Yeah. Like if you want to be a biblical literalist, like you don't wait for death somewhere where nobody can hear you.
00:24:53
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you If you want to be a biblical literalist, you do not, under any circumstances, get to remarry unless you've resigned to living a life of... ah they like you're you're just You're having an affair for the rest of your life, is what that is. Because your first union was but made before God.
00:25:13
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um ah Look, Paul is... a He's clear... I'm not saying he's right. I'm saying he's emphatically wrong on a lot of things he's clear on. um But if you don't want to go in that direction and call ah parts of the Bible straight up wrong, then you don't have a choice.
00:25:33
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Yeah, i I think you're thinking about it too much. Scripture is kind of more of a suggestion at times. At times it is emphatically 100% correct to the letter. one hundred percent correct to the letter and Right. it I think it's more of a suggestion in that you can it only suggests what you want it to suggest.
00:25:57
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Dude, it is like about the author session, you know, first paragraph of it is, you know, blah, blah, blah is six Amazon number one bestselling books. And he produced a terrible movie.
00:26:08
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Dude, he lies. That's a lie. he That's a bold-faced fucking lie. Amazon number one sellers? I mean, maybe for a day or two. i is Some technicality, guaranteed.
00:26:20
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Yeah, that's a good point for like for for the eighth hour of the 20 within the 24 hours that it came out. It's a bestseller. It's the only book that sold within because he's 45 seconds tithed like Mark Driscoll move.
00:26:36
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six hundred thousand copies that dude a real mark driscoll move It's part of a ministry approach, right? We're going to buy all these copies on Amazon so that we can turn around and hand them out to hopefully you know minister to the people around us.
00:26:54
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He buys 600,000 copies of his book. He buys 600,000 of those paper covers that go over the hard covers of all the Harry Potter books, re-skins them, throws them in a pile, and then they have a giant book-burning celebration.
00:27:12
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It's great because there's no evidence left behind. He really ties up all the loose ends. He does. If that's one thing he does is ties up loose ends of his secretary.
00:27:24
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So first paragraph is him like basically yeah laying out his like accomplishments or whatever. Second paragraph. In keeping with God's promise in Genesis 12, 3, Pastor Locke is deeply engaged in blessing Israel and the Jewish people.
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He spends nearly 20 weeks a year in Jerusalem working alongside Jewish and Christian organizations with prophetic callings tied to Israel's role in the end time harvest.
00:27:52
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I want to know about his like opinions on the Jewish people's Christ denying. so i I'm interested in his mental gymnastics around that. I know he has them.
00:28:02
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I'm sure he's given sermons on it. I just am curious, but not curious enough to go through his back catalog. Yeah. You think he's so desperate for media attention that he'd do our podcast?
00:28:14
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I don't know. He'd just scream the whole time. He would. I don't think we'd... It's not the type of guest you can have any control over to make it entertaining.
00:28:24
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That's... Yeah. That's the problem with people like him. He's not afraid to speak the truth, dude. No. He's not afraid to speak. he took he took he told He took the pledge, you know?
00:28:36
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I have sworn on the altar of God, total resistance against every form of charity against the mind of men.
00:28:44
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That he did. So while I was browsing Greg Locke's Twitter, ah i got I got an advertisement from PragerU.
00:28:55
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For Cialis? and It was for a really cool documentary um by by famed, celebrated documentarian Dinesh D'Souza.
00:29:10
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ah What a hack. Oh, he sucks so bad. They should have kept him in prison. He sucks so bad. I gave you, you had an opportunity for that drop. Did you delete it? Oh, whoops.
00:29:24
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Fuck, that sucks! Holy shit, he sucks so bad! How could you have failed there, Casey? I really missed my my option or my chance there. But I think that you'll find this documentary fascinating. So me let me play you a little bit of the trailer.
00:29:44
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So who are the Jews? Who are the Palestinians? And whose land is it really?
00:29:52
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Who? The nation of Israel is a resurrected nation. So what if there was going to be a resurrection of another people, an enemy people of Israel? Oh my God. Aloh Akbar!
00:30:19
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Civilian deaths on both sides represent victories on the part of the dragon. Oh. Everything within their ability to maximize the civilian casualties. Nice. so Palestine is the dragon.
00:30:33
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and the dragon benefits from from casualties on both sides. Right, right. It's an enemy people. Mm-hmm. It sounds a lot like the United States of America. Yeah.
00:30:46
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i love so I saw another clip where he's, cause this is all based on this book by this pastor, whatever, some idiot, some moron, dude. He, in this, he's the clip that I saw of him talking to Dinesh D'Souza. He's like, he's like, no, tell me again um about the colors of the dragon. He's like, well, the dragons, there's four dragons and the dragons are, are red.
00:31:11
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They're white, black, And green. And what's interesting, what's really fascinating is that if you look at the Palestinian flag, the colors are red, white, black, and green.
00:31:23
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And Dinesh D'Souza is just like, oh, it's so absurd. It's like you're shocked that you're yeah you're looking at this.
00:31:37
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and Somebody pumped money into this. And you just go where, where, I don't, I don't know where it says that those are the colors. The colors are whatever people want them to be. You can read into it, whatever you want to read into it, which is what's been done for, I would like to say thousands of years, but that's not true. 250 years at best.
00:31:59
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I mean, dispensationalism and this idea that revelation is about some future idea of the end times is, About as young as the founding of this country.
00:32:10
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think up until like 1997, people treated the Book of Revelation like the the the second season of True Detective. it's like just It's mildly interesting from just a perspective of how nuts it is, like but we just pretend that it doesn't exist.
00:32:27
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yeah you know I love the beginning where it's like, what is Israel? What is Palestine? And you just like, who and who has like, but what, what was it? The rightful, who has this land? Is it anyway? Is it anyway?
00:32:43
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You're like, what is the United States? What is the native American peoples? Whose land is it? Anyway, you could do that for everything everywhere since the foundations of the earth. Like that questions.
00:32:55
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all people have done is land grab for all of history yeah well okay so here's a little more from it we came back to a land that was largely barren and hey and we brought it back to life and we're oh benji keep it the devil they brought it back to life because they represent the existence of god because without that jewish foundation there is no christianity Little Huckabee....the end of time, God will reveal himself more and more dramatically. Speak back through the stones.
00:33:30
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The story that they've been telling... What stones?...is that is a colonial project. The problem with that is the city of David. We are an inconvenient truth. Are you aware of any significant archaeological finding that contradicts the Bible?
00:33:46
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Nope. Nope. So there we go!
00:33:50
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God. The dragon will not prevail.
00:33:59
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Your message here is become a dragon slayer. Rise up and kill Palestinians yourself. God has called you to be a dragon slayer. So, you know...
00:34:13
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Go ah go go and enroll with the IDF and kill some Palestinians yeah for yourself, you know, to maybe get a crown in heaven. The drop into the praise and worship song.
00:34:24
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Yeah. They would have gone into like, they they would have dropped into some old like Hebrew hymn, but they were afraid that people in the United States wouldn't have been able to tell a difference between that and some Islamic chant.
00:34:41
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Yeah, it's just vaguely brown. They don't like it. yeah Not their favorite shade. Dude, on the ah the cover of this like movie, it's got like this dragon like AI dragon picture and stuff, and then it has all the people that participated. like Their pictures are along the bottom. and First and foremost, right in the center, it's like Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
00:35:08
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Ambassador Mike Huckabee, you know, it's like, do you think like if you had to do a closed door, small room meeting with Netanyahu, like how, how sickening do you think the sulfur smell would be?
00:35:23
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it I don't know if it would smell worse than all of the um all of the history he's pulled up on, like your your searches. every Every little thing that you've done in private, he would bring to light in that moment, and you'd be like, I'm all in.
00:35:41
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just Just show you your text stream like you're ah a college Republican. Yeah, you're a young Republican college text stream.
00:35:50
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Dude, he published the Xbox Live ah transcripts.
00:35:58
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now There's almost nothing worse in this world than the transcripts from like from ah Xbox Live Call of Duty. Oh, yeah.
00:36:10
Speaker
It's 80% white people calling 12-year-olds the N-word. That's what it is. Yeah, it's probably a lot of it. And that is, it is remarkably consistent. It's been that way for 30 years now.
00:36:24
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It might be the most consistent thing in this country. Yeah. and and Like a a halo lobby is kind of like that cave that Luke goes into on Dagobah, you know, and he has the vision of his true self you know his face in the Vader mask. it's that's what That's what happens when you walk into a ah Halo lobby.
00:36:47
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It's just James Earl Jones screaming slurs at you. yeah
00:36:52
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And then you realize you are James Earl Jones. We're all James Earl Jones. It's remarkable mirror. We're all racist James Earl Jones. Yeah.
00:37:06
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So yeah, that's that's the dumbest news stories I could dig up. What have you got? i have um I brought a couple of fun... um A couple of fun stories of people who got arrested. And again, i i know I bring it up frequently. It comes up regularly. But I just i i don't know if this is for me entirely. It might be.
00:37:29
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ah But just the amount of filth I have to sift through to find pastors who are arrested for things that weren't child pornography. it's It's like when i when I go to bed at night,
00:37:43
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I am because this that's what I do. My that's what I do. Most of my research is when I'm ah sitting on the toilet, brushing my teeth, ah sifting through articles and read it, trying to find some fun stuff to bring everybody.
00:37:59
Speaker
You brush on the toilet. Yeah, sometimes. that you You don't? Do you, like, spit through the gap? I don't. I keep it in my mouth to keep my teeth extra fresh. I see.
00:38:10
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Okay. I'll swish it around. It's kind of like it's it's like it starts with teeth brushing, ends with mouthwash, um and then sometimes the the back of my tongue hurts from, like, holding it low and down so I can, like...
00:38:23
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you know And then you go, oh, I'm starting to feel that stress in the back of my tongue. And that's when I go, I've looked at enough Reddit posts of pastors peddling in child pornography.
00:38:33
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And then I go spit my toothpaste, rinse, and go to bed with that on the mind. So ah you're welcome. I have Casey. i'm gonna I can't wait to pause this at a moment for you to guess what this pastor may or may not have spent his...
00:38:52
Speaker
yeah church finances on because you've you've brought this up enough where I go, yo my as soon as I read it, I go, I can't wait to share this with you.
00:39:02
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So we have an Alabama pastor ah who used more than $400,000 of church funds for personal items lied on tax returns.
Financial Mismanagement in Churches
00:39:15
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Adrian Davis, the former lead pastor at the now defunct Huntsville, Alabama. We've talked about Huntsville a couple of times. ah When I hear Huntsville, Alabama, I think of that guy who owned a mini mall that did a fun video with Family Force 5 back in the day because he had his own YouTube video that really topped the YouTube charts where ah he sang about a mini mall.
00:39:39
Speaker
Oh, come to the flea market. At the flea market. Just like a mini mall. Montgomery.
00:39:48
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um Oh, no. Huntsville was near Montgomery. I'm associating it with Montgomery because I worked with a lady who was from Huntsville who introduced me to the YouTube video from the guy who said you could find it at the flea market, Montgomery.
00:40:03
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Well, in Huntsville and Montgomery are connected by a vast network of trailer parks. so Oh. More or less a safety. um So... ah ah Now defunct Huntsville, Alabama campus of all nations worship assembly. i One thing that never gets old for me is like like I you where I live, where most people live, probably it's like first congregational church, Christian Baptist, this or that. Like every time you read a news article, I swear to God, the.
00:40:38
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The more particular your name is and less likely it is to exist on a national level, the more likely you are to steal finances from your parishioners.
00:40:51
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ah He pleaded guilty to spending over $400,000 of the church funds on personal expenses and filing a false tax return. He is now facing up to 23 years in prison, which is weird that it's so much less than Donald Trump ever faced for literally fucking thousands and thousands of people over.
00:41:11
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ah According to court documents from the United States District Court of the Northern District of Alabama, Davis, who is still being platformed by other churches, is now facing up to 20 years of prison for wire fraud. Okay, let's stop.
00:41:26
Speaker
Articles now just repeat themselves a lot. It's really frustrating. um Between 2018 and 2020, court documents show that Davis treated himself to $30,920 Audi a GMC Yukon, court courtesy of the church's purse.
00:41:47
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he also spent thirty one thousand dollars on entertainment and items of the luxury brand gucci ah you were so close one more time oh Versace?
00:42:01
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Louis Vuitton. Louis Vuitton. Ah, man. It's okay. it's You're in the realm. ah You've definitely mentioned how much pastors spend on Louis Vuitton.
00:42:12
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um He also paid off personal credit card Louis Vuitton is to, like, crooked pastors what Cotopaxi is to white people with dreads.
00:42:23
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He also paid off a personal credit card debt totaling to more than $117,000. Now, I'm a little hesitant to get into this, but I will against my better judgment.
00:42:37
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um Something I've noticed in this may be anecdotal. And if it is, join the Discord, message me on Instagram, do whatever. um I'm happy to hear from you.
00:42:50
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this sounds like ah This sounds like a discussion that belongs on Telegram. it doesn't maybe belong in general, but I I've thought about it several times. Um, black pastors are seem, if they're going to do engage in a crime, they're more likely to engage in a crime of finance where they get nice things for themselves. And I think you might be able to go down a whole bunch of roads to, you know, there's plenty, you could, you could speculate a thousand ways to Sunday about why that is, if it's even true, um which is significantly better than the white alternative of preying on children.
00:43:32
Speaker
I feel like that's a fair distinction to make out of all of my perusing the internet. I can't think of a I don't know if I've come across a black pastor who has exploited an underage child.
00:43:47
Speaker
I'm sure it exists. There are some, but it is, it is very, way more rare. It's way more rare. Yeah. And I'm talking percentages because I know we've shared stories of white pastors probably stealing money.
00:44:01
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um But when you when I'm, when I'm scrolling, I go, it's like sex abuse, sex abuse, sex abuse, white pastor, white pastor, white pastor, typically youth pastor, like, It's always that.
00:44:14
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And then you get the occasional steals money. You get very, very, very few black pastors and the in the infinitesimal amount of white youth pastors and pastors I have to scroll through.
00:44:28
Speaker
But when they show up, they're stealing money. Um, And let's be fair. It's the best grift there is. um We know Greg, like it's different. like And they get, they get, they get the ones that end up getting caught are doing things that are blatantly nefarious because we just talked about Greg Locke. We've talked about Stephen Furtick. We've talked like all these white pastors are clearly stealing money from people. Like,
00:44:56
Speaker
Joel Osteen is the greatest theft of all, like thief of all time when it comes to the the the Christian circuit. And, um you know, let's even, let's give it to Creflo Dollar, right? We know Creflo Dollar is a black pastor and he is yeah I mean, not in jail. And this guy has private jets. So I just want to like tip my hat to people like that to get into the grift.
00:45:22
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um We also, you know, it's entirely possible. There's a racist component to taking down ah Black pastors who have made money ah because no one wants to watch Black people succeed taking advantage of people. And and like it's not fair because you look at what what the whites have done for a very long time and you look at what we're going through now economically and we're just being bombasted by whites taking advantage of us. And it's not fair.
00:45:53
Speaker
So I personally think it's ridiculous that this man doesn't get to spend $30,000 Louis Yeah. Okay. I can see that. There's a couple of observations.
00:46:05
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Okay. Like in order to, in order to grift and steal $400,000 from your congregation, you have to change, change, change, talented enough pastor to bring in those funds in the first place. Like the hustle has got to be good enough that people are giving you money.
00:46:24
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You don't have to be a successful pastor to be a child molester. Exactly. Exactly. that's That's a great point. There's a much lower barrier to entry for child abuse. Right. And in fact, if you were a successful pastor, you might be able to use that money to afford a better VPN.
00:46:46
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I think on top of that, I think the high profile guys, white pastors who are being busted for being sex pests or pedophiles are probably stealing too.
00:47:00
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It's just the feds have bigger fish to fry in their their particular cases. Yeah.
00:47:07
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Davis also allegedly reported on his 2020 tax return that he earned $138,000 in income. despite being paid more than that, which come on. Like honestly, I don't, I think it should be illegal to audit anybody. We're making less than $500,000 a year.
00:47:26
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Yeah. But that's who they audit the most. they They conduct way more people than they do rich people. Because because if they go higher than that, they're going to get stuck in litigation, paying more out the ass in court fees than they would if they just went for the lower fish.
00:47:43
Speaker
Yeah. The smaller fish. Excuse me. um Anyway, he's expected to be arraigned. It's. In October, he agreed as part of an acceptance plea deal to pay restitution of $434,000. Also, okay, let's talk about the justice system pulling through in this. Because what did i say? He's been accused of spending more than $400,000 church funds.
00:48:08
Speaker
Yet he is, ah and this this seems like a rare case in which maybe justice prevails because the restitution is $434,000, $340,000, whatever, and direct appeal and collateral attack.
00:48:22
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to all nations worship assembly pay a hundred and fifteen thousand dollars back to the irs and waive certain rights to direct appeal and collateral attack That's actually a really fair fucking deal.
00:48:35
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You stole over $400,000. You pay back over $400,000. And I'm guessing that the $115,000 is really just maybe some back taxes.
00:48:45
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I wonder if you could score some pretty sweet like ah clothing and stuff if you just look for these Pastors who got busted for stealing money that have to pay restitution and just like go check out their Depop account.
00:48:58
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Because like maybe you can get that like Gucci belt buckle that costs him 10 grand. Maybe you can get it for two. Yeah, that's a good call. Because he needs money today. Well, unfortunately, his mother got tied up in this a little bit because the former megachurch pastor also allegedly spent more than $10,000 of the church's money, which that's so small.
00:49:19
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Yeah, that's so small. He spent more than $10,000 of the church's money to pay for his mother's mortgage. His poor mother was about to lose that. The sad thing is,
00:49:31
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ah Mr. Pastor, I already forget your name. um You probably could have picked up most of that in a love offering. You didn't even have to be nefarious. If you told people your mother was about to lose her home, they your your church might have pulled through if they have enough for you to pull in enough to buy an Audi and spend $30,000 on Louis Vuitton. So,
00:49:52
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You know, I think his heart was in the right place. ah I'm not sure about the wire fraud. Wire fraud, that's the most white collar crime of all time.
00:50:03
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Yeah, I don't know I really even understand what wire fraud is. Yeah, that's true. I don't because we don't have enough money to ever even consider the possibility of getting involved with that kind of stuff. Copper is expensive. We can't afford the wire.
00:50:17
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Upon conviction of one count of wire fraud in this information, she whatever. This is a quote. Who cares? No one cares. Wire frauds for stupid, rich white people.
00:50:28
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ah we don't We don't have to get into the details. Whatever. But the sad thing is, is while he faces a sentence of up to 20 years in prison for wire fraud, that's, what that's how dumb the government is, dude. They're like, uh, like wire fraud.
00:50:44
Speaker
Like, I feel like every fucking corporate billionaire who gets hit with wire fraud, they're like, how about you pay us $7 and we wipe the whole slate clean. And they're like, that sounds fair.
00:50:55
Speaker
And then just like a local dude does wire fraud. They're like, we're going to hit this bitch with a book. yeah Yeah, you want you want that Acosta Epstein deal.
00:51:07
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They're like, how about you wear this BP ankle bracelet for you know two months and pay back $30 a month for the next few years? When you think about the amount of money he spent, the church has about 15,000 members at 25 locations across the country.
00:51:26
Speaker
Wow. That's a good size church. 25 locations? Yeah. Man. So, I don't know. I think this guy's being done dirty. I think maybe we should fit forgive his trespasses.
00:51:38
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ah We hereby commute his sentence. I think you should take into account a lot of things about a lot of things before you do this. That's all. You don't know. let's let's take into Let's take into account human psychology.
00:51:52
Speaker
I don't know. I think it's possible there's more things going on. He tried to help his mom out. Let's... ah Wire fraud? Come on.
00:52:02
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If you get caught doing wire fraud low-level stuff, it should just they should be able to be like, I think it was a mistake. Like that's so little money that you're like, oh, he made a boo boo. It wasn't a real problem.
00:52:15
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um So, yeah. my The next one's not technically a pastor, but he's a parishioner of the church and a deacon.
00:52:26
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And deacons are pretend roles where people think that they they get to go home and talk about how they're a deacon. And people will be like oh, wow, wow. You're like part of the church, huh?
00:52:40
Speaker
It's not real. Deacon is just like you you collect money in an offering basket. They pretend that they care about your opinion on anything. It's kind of just like being middle management in a corporation where they're like, thank you for your input.
00:52:54
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um So here in Florida, ah a man was recently executed. And Florida doesn't have a problem with execute. They've actually had more this year than I i would have guessed. If you told me to guess how many executions took place in Florida this year, I might have guessed that's how many executions took place across the country. um But Florida executes Plant City's quote unquote deacon of death for the murder of two women.
The Case of Samuel Lee Smithers
00:53:23
Speaker
ah Deacon of Death. Deacon of Death. I'm waiting for the Netflix documentary title like that. I know. um and he was sentenced a while ago. So this is in the headlines just because, you know, he was in jail. for We know we know that the wheels of just ah justice turn quite slowly. So ah they usually put you on death row and make you think about the fact that you're going to die slowly.
00:53:49
Speaker
10 years before the good Lord would have taken you. It's a very weird concept. Most people die before this man did, ah of old age, right? ah So the state on Tuesday executed a Plant City man known as the Deacon of Death for the murder of two women back in 1996.
00:54:08
Speaker
Samuel Lee Smithers, Mr. Smithers, if you will, was 72 years old. when pronounced dead at 6.15 p.m. following a lethal injection at Florida State Prison you the cities near the city of Stark in Northeast Florida.
00:54:24
Speaker
He did not have a final statement. so list Is it listed as a meal? I think it does. ah It gets into some weird details. um And I'm going to read them because it's fun.
00:54:35
Speaker
ah So just if I hear your voice cut in, I will stop reading the words on my screen and listen to your silly antics. but and Smithers was the 14th person executed by the state this year as our beloved governor Ron DeSantis signed a record number of death warrants. Any shock there?
00:54:56
Speaker
Smithers was also the second convicted killer from Hillsborough County put to death this year following the execution. Whatever. Fuck you. This article is the article's dumb. It's from the Tampa Bay Times, that local bullshit. You know, can't. Yeah.
00:55:09
Speaker
Crack journalism. They try to listen to this. They try to be like real. They try to set the scene like you do. You're not. This isn't an episode of the first 48. This is not to catch ah the predator. This is or whatever. This isn't some like HBO level drama about a serial killer that's totally exhausted by now. What's the new drama about the serial killer on Netflix? Ed Gein one.
00:55:32
Speaker
Yeah, like I've heard that that's trash, but everybody wants to capitalize on serial killers that are played out. Like, give me a new serial killer. Come on. I'm sick of this. We're sick of the old shit. I want that new shit.
00:55:46
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um As an air conditioner unit buzzed on the wall, the curtain to the execution chamber rose on schedule at 6 p.m. About 30 people filled the witness room.
00:55:57
Speaker
That's also crazy. 30 people went to watch it. Charlie Kirk would have been proud, dude. He was a big fan. he I mean, it would have, he'd be, you would have to like recover the dirt of his grave.
00:56:11
Speaker
If this was public, you know, 30s, a lot. He's, he's, he's getting a sem dog in his grave, but he would have popped the lid off that coffin. If this was public. Yeah.
00:56:24
Speaker
um That can get you arrested now, actually. That's what's crazy. We can go to jail. I'll send you a care package when you get that in the pantry. I might be the next person killed. ah By a Florida state prison. Smithers was lying, was lying trapped to it strapped to a table as the state's three-drug mixture began taking effect.
00:56:47
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Smithers, breathing became heavy. His body noticeably shook. At 6.06 p.m., the warden shook Smithers and yelled his name. Smithers! Smithers breath began to slow. Dude wasn't dead yet.
00:57:01
Speaker
He's like yelling his name. He's like Oh shit. He's still breathing. All right. the He's like on death's door. And that's how they knew he was still in there. He's on death's door. And he jostled him awake to give him like six more seconds of torture.
00:57:16
Speaker
Smith's breath began to slow and the color faded from his face. At 6.14 p.m., the doctor entered the room to check his vital signs. How funny is that? The warden's like, are you dead yet? Shaking his ass to like crazy. And then a doctor ah eight minutes later walks in to check his vital signs. And he was explain dead.
00:57:38
Speaker
Is he laying down when he's doing this? i think they I think they strap you a table and then flip it upside down. And they tickle your armpits for 16 minutes before administering a lethal injection. If you were a murderer on death row being like lethal injected, it's crazy to think that like you're laying there kind of facing upward as the lights dim.
00:58:01
Speaker
And the last thing you see is the warden's nutsack hovering down over your eyes.
00:58:11
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He's like Roman helmeting you as your last act on Earth. And you're like, no. yeah
00:58:24
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Oh my God. ah All right. So after he's declared dead, they get into the meat of the story. In 1998, a jury found Smithers guilty for killing Christine Elizabeth Komen and Denise Elaine Roach.
00:58:38
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Tampa sex workers who were found dead in a pond In East Hillsborough County, Smithers was a frequenter of the stroll, quote unquote, a 16 block stretch in central Tampa with motels, pawn shops and used car lots.
00:58:55
Speaker
OK, just describe Vegas. That is Tampa. I've been in Tampa quite a few times. That's all Tampa is. Tampa is every business in Tampa is either fast food, auto repair or some sort of sex industry thing.
00:59:11
Speaker
That's all that's there. It's a free man's world, dude. That's what the Republicans want. um and they But they want it to be an area where they can pretend it doesn't exist, but they can frequent it as much as they need.
00:59:23
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um Other... All right. On his stroll, other sex workers told authorities they recognized him in his pickup. Spinders lived with his wife and son near Plant City High School, and he worked as an electrician in Tampa.
00:59:39
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His co-workers said he was quiet and religious and quote-unquote country bumpkin who never cussed, of course. ah He'd been a deacon and a custodian at the local First Baptist Church, but he resigned a year before the murders after he was accused of offering to falsify a woman's community service hours in exchange for sex.
00:59:59
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real standup guy. Yeah. His wife didn't leave him. I would, I wish I want to get more into the wife's story. I want to know more about her and like her take on it and how she felt after that first accusation. Uh, Marion Whitehurst, an elementary school teacher who worked with Smithers wife enlisted him to do yard work.
01:00:18
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and a vacant home that she owned. On May 28th, 1996, Whitehurst found Smithers hosing off a long-handled axe in the home's garage.
01:00:29
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He pointed to a puddle of blood on the floor and promised to clean it, saying someone must have killed the squirrel. what ah What a great lie. Right? I love those spur-of-the-moment lies like that.
01:00:43
Speaker
It would have been more believable if he said, I was horny and I have a disorder and I cum blood. That would have been more believable. Somebody must have killed a squirrel. yeah Whitehurst would later testify that she saw what appeared to be ah be drag marks on the ground toward a pond behind the home.
01:01:04
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Sheriff deputies searched the property and found Cohen and Roach in the water. Cohen, 31, graduated at the top of her high school class and aspired to be a nurse, but she struggled with drug And prostitution arrests.
01:01:18
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um Not to dismiss these women's stories, um but it just gives in a little bit of them. um So he put both bodies into the same pond.
01:01:29
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Yep. um This guy wasn't destined to do like, a you know, Ted Bundy numbers. No, no, he wasn't quite sneaky enough.
01:01:40
Speaker
not a um Not a career criminal. Not methodical. Like... That's the thing. like yeah ah I'm guessing like with mass shootings, as a a serial you're a serial killer as soon as you intentionally kill more than one person, right?
01:01:57
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um I think it depends on the motive for it. Okay, yeah right. like if you There's like a pathological motive for it, like sexual gratification or something like that. Yeah, that makes sense.
01:02:09
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um Smithers initially denied he had anything to do with the women's murders, but during questioning, he confessed to hitting Cohen in the head with an ax while arguing about money. He said he dragged her to the pond by her feet and tossed her into the water while she was still breathing.
01:02:24
Speaker
His so is original testimony. Ooh, boy. Right? Well, it gets interesting because... Well, so with the second one, he also admitted to shoving Roach against the wall inside of the home.
01:02:38
Speaker
which caused a piece of wood to fall into on her face. A piece of wood. Piece of wood. It's crazy. It fell. It just fell on her face. She was dead after that. It's crazy to think like he's he's now confessing to a second murder, but still trying to spin this yarn that it was somehow like an accidental thing. Like you killed two women that ended up in a pond.
01:03:03
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and And you're trying to play it off as some sort of like freak final destination accident. He said that he left her there after the wood hit her in the face and he went back the next day and he just found her dead.
01:03:18
Speaker
Why are you going back like that? That's like worse, dude. That's weird. I've been watching a lot of Chris Hansen has a show called takedown on YouTube and there's a thousand episodes of it up there and it's all just it's basically to catch predator. It's just like his new version of it, you know, and the the most interesting part of it is watching people try to concoct an alibi on the spot.
01:03:45
Speaker
Yeah, dude. And Everyone is so bad at it. and And you watch it over and over again. And like some of the people, you know, like sometimes a cop will show up or somebody with police background or something. Right.
01:04:00
Speaker
Sometimes people who have been criminals in other ways for long portions in their of their life, you know, and listening to them try to like argue their way out of it Because here's the thing, not trying to give scumbags advice, but like the The way you win in that scenario as much as you can is just to not talk.
01:04:22
Speaker
Right. you You don't talk. You just say, lawyer. I've watched enough TV shows. Yeah, that's what you do. You only – and to me, it's like the only reason that somebody would talk in this scenario is if they somehow think that they're going to talk their way out of it without getting in trouble.
01:04:40
Speaker
Right. Right. And that's not going to happen. You showed up after a chat log showing that you were trying to have sex with a 14-year-old. Like, there's no—you're not talking your way out of this. Like, how are you not putting two and two together here that, like, there is no 14-year-old?
01:04:56
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You were talking to a middle-aged cop, you know? And it's also like if— Like to to try to put that together, right? To try to put two and two together, to try to get your way out of it is um it almost goes hand in hand with the level of audacity. You need to do something heinous like that.
01:05:18
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Yeah. Because you think you can do it. You think you can do that without getting caught. And you you like have this idea that you're like more sophisticated than you are. But also, I think the problem we have with the justice system, um to go down an actual serious rabbit hole for one second...
01:05:38
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is that we we're so inundated with shows that show us that that like in true crime that show us that like that's like that like that guilty people don't talk right that happens all the time like they just say lawyer they don't talk like you see plenty of stuff where they like run themselves into a hole so it's like you you the entire ah The entire media representation of crime is that if you talk, you'll run yourself into the ground and you'll make yourself look guilty.
01:06:13
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But if you don't talk, that makes you look guilty. And but cops love to do that because it's their job to get something out of you. Yeah. No matter what, for those of you who are charged with a crime,
01:06:26
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that are not guilty or maybe you are, but it's just not a big deal. Look, if I honestly, I hope that if you did something to a child or you did something like this, you should talk a lot assist that talks yourself into a hole.
01:06:39
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But it's also like the the narrative of if you don't talk, you're guilty is wildly insane. You should always lawyer up.
01:06:49
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it is funny too to watch like the little things that people subconsciously do to somehow try to assert it like a semblance of control over a situation where they are.
01:07:03
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They're up the creek, you know? And like one of the things that all almost all of them do is like the cops will come out and be like, get on the ground, get on the ground. Or he'll so he'll come walking out, you know, and be like, hey, how you doing?
01:07:18
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And like so many of them will go. Oh, I knew it. Or I figured as much. It's like, well, that doesn't make you smarter. Like you think that makes you clever because you thought that you had a suspicion that this might be like a sting operation. Like you're here.
01:07:34
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You're an idiot. Like you're dumber if that's the case. The other one is ah if... That you see a lot. Like, it's interesting. You wonder, like, if if all these shows about crime has made people more capable of getting away with it.
01:07:50
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But I'm not sure because I think in the heat of the moment, most people collapse. But, like, if there are two people involved in it and they try to, like, get their story straight... Like if you're both repeating the same points and sticking to his like a script, that's pretty noticeable too.
01:08:05
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They're like, feel like we need to get our story straight. And you're like, you should both tell wildly different stories. it's like you Don't be aligned on anything.
01:08:18
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If it's five people involved in a crime, each one of those needs to have a wildly different story. Yeah. Because that's the best way to go off. but Like, don't, I feel like I'm giving advice on how to get away with like a murder. Like if five people beat the shit out of somebody and you're like, no, that was that person. No, that was that person. It's,
01:08:37
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Whatever. Anyway, ah let's get back to the story here before we maybe incriminate ourselves in some way. Smithers, this is what's wild though.
01:08:48
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Smithers said, ah so on trial, he changed his story, which is a bold move. You've confessed. You've now have a lawyer. You're on trial and you change your story, right?
01:09:02
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um claiming without evidence that the killings are part of an elaborate drug and black male scheme. ah It's pretty bad. like You're probably on trial for a good bit with something like this, right? These things aren't quick.
01:09:16
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It takes a while to build a case. and I don't know who the lawyer is, but i maybe he's not getting ah some high-profile cases anymore. because Unless he did this on his own accord, but...
01:09:31
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um Smithers said an unidentified man had threatened to show his wife a picture of Smithers and another woman unless he could use Whitehurst's vacant property for drug deals.
01:09:44
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Smithers said the man paid him $200. to leave the gate open for drop-offs. He said he was at the property when the man hit Roach with a hatchet.
01:09:55
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Smithers said he was forced to dispose of her body. One second, an ad popped up on my screen. He killed her right in front of me, Smithers testified. Days later, he said ah different man killed Cohen.
01:10:08
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Smithers said he was paid $400 when he was told of another accident. The jury took about 90 minutes to find Smithers guilty and they unanimously recommended he be put to death.
01:10:23
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That's insane. It's crazy. Changing your story like on the stand is a wild move. Like not even adjusting a detail of it like that would be bad enough.
01:10:34
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But to be like, actually, there was two unidentified people that killed these people. It's tough when you're edit when your original story is that you just did all the murders.
01:10:49
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It's a hard one to back out of. It's pretty tough. But what's hilarious is he definitely tried to go with like the I'm insane defense because a doctor evaluated Smithers for five hours on September 18th and found his IQ and verbal comprehension index had worsened.
01:11:06
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He said, I quote, Mr. Samuel Smithers is currently presenting with an insidious decline of mental functioning, which will progress to a state of dementia. I hope that that doctor was investigated and that we find out that he was paid $10,000 for that awesome testimony.
01:11:25
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Yeah. I feel like and that's another funny thing is is watching a person who's not very smart pretend to be dumber than they are. Yeah. You know, or like a person who's not very bright, like faking some sort of impairment.
01:11:44
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Like I watched this video about this guy and he's on I forget. It's Instagram or TikTok or something, but his name's Andrew Ditch. And he's like a middle-aged guy. He's like our age.
01:11:58
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And he's his whole is that. It's hard to hear that we're middle-aged. I know, right? But his whole thing is like that he's autistic and this and that and the other. But like...
01:12:11
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It's he's clearly like he it's very important to him that he be like labeled a certain way and be, your you know, like found to be not responsible for, you know, this and that part of his life.
01:12:25
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And all the worst parts I'm not responsible for. Yeah, and he's like a normal he seems to be like a fairly normal functioning adult, but like one that is pretending to be impaired, and it's unbearable to watch. I mean, it's just such a terrible act that he's got going on, you know?
01:12:44
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the point where, like he like, when he's really laying it on thick, he like jumbles up his sentences, and he you know pretends to crap his pants, and just... It's it's nuts. But yeah, I highly recommend that Chris Hansen show to anybody. needs Some mild entertainment.
01:13:06
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Because, dude, it's always... but like ever any Anyone who watched To Catch a Predator was like, God, i like I was back on cable, right? If DVR existed at the time, people would have been like, just fast forward to the end where the pedophile scrambles, right? That's all anyone was waiting for.
01:13:28
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oh fuck, shit, shit, fuck, ah! Like... that's that's the payoff is watching them try to like work their way out of it like oh i didn't i didn't know i you i want i i was on aol uh a minster messenger i thought i was talking to smarter child uh like it's funny when they like mounted defense before a question has even been asked like somebody like he'll come walking out and confront and be like hey how you doing he's like I was just here to watch the game.
01:14:02
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um
01:14:07
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Whose house is it? I'm looking for ah Chester Smith. Chester. and And Chris Hansen is like, I like him a lot. A stone cold killer. He's a. Oh, he's he delights in being like an obtuse prick to these guys, you know, so like that guy's like 1800 YouTube channels of people trying to be him.
01:14:31
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Yeah, he really did. It's not all good. Like there's definitely some of people that are nuts. It's almost all terrible. It's like actually like 18 year olds ruining people's lives because they tried to catfish somebody like it's ah dude that the stuff that it's produced is pretty wild.
01:14:49
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um Not saying that, like, even if you're 18 and you try to catfish somebody, that person was a problem. But I'm just saying Chris Hansen was doing was he was doing his shit the way you should do your shit.
01:15:04
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uh yeah not so sure about i feel like when you watch like these tiktoks or youtube real like uh youtube shorts or reels of like some of the stuff you don't know the backstory and they're like what are you doing here well and you're like i don't i don't want to give the benefit of the doubt in a situation like this which is why most people share it and go that's crazy but There's a reason like professionals are involved in these types of things because you you you could easily get a video of somebody like being like, this girl's 14. And you're like, and they're like, oh, I thought she was 18. And they might have like actually thought she was 18 because some dumb idiot on Instagram is trying to like build a following doing that kind of shit.
01:15:51
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Right. Again, not trying to go to bat for the people who actually are doing something wrong. um And it's also weird if you're 48 years old and you're trying to hook up with an 18 year old. I get that. That's there's concerns there.
01:16:04
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um I'm just saying that the, the, the social media, YouTube attempts to be Chris Hansen. I don't always trust that it is what they're saying or accusing somebody of, but yeah, I'm with you there.
01:16:24
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think, um and you know, if it's like most of those guys are just doing it for like clicks and stuff. And like, I don't know, you could make the argument that like even doing it in that context, even though there's not like legal ramifications for the predator, you know, in those circumstances, like the fact that those videos are out there and that people see them, you would think that would make people less likely to chat with an underage person and stuff. But I don't know that that's really true.
01:16:53
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No, I think they do do. When you go on Google or the Reddit thread, pastors arrested, you see that it's just emphatically not true.
Power and Predatory Behavior in Religion
01:17:07
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Yeah. yeah the The amount of shit that you have to scroll through, the amount of shit of like, it's it's truly mind boggling. Like one of them was egregious that I i scrolled through. It was like...
01:17:21
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but the amount of victims that this person had, it was, God, I can't remember the number off top my head ah because I just got, I don't want to always showcase those stories here.
01:17:34
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And we want, just, it's hard to have fun with it and be funny and have a laugh. But like, dude, some of, one of them was like, one of the people, it was one of the attorneys involved was like, I I've seen, or sorry, one of the prosecutors involved was like,
01:17:52
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I've seen a lot of like crazy shit, but this is one of the most egregious like forms of like predatory action against minors. I've seen in my entire life.
01:18:08
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It was like, it was insane. And you just go like, and and this guy had been up to it for over a decade before he finally got like hit. It was like systematic.
01:18:19
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Yeah. And, and, dude it's just It's really mind-boggling like how prevalent these things are. and look I know we've got to wrap this up, but like i I saw this... like I know you pushed back on this the other like ah a few weeks ago ah to a degree, um but like when you look at like the the conservative right-wing groups of people where it's like...
01:18:47
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By and large, they are, it's like a 90 to one ratio of these people who are always like, here's how you need to live a good moral life. This is what you need to do are the ones who end up doing something really nefarious in the dark.
01:19:04
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Yeah. It just, and everything like, yeah I mean, just scrolling through filth to get content is like that. That's just so much of what it is.
01:19:17
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And i don't know i don't know why. like i What you pushed back on a little bit was like, The conversation was something around a guy who got caught doing something, who was an avid, who who spoke who spoke against a quote unquote type of lifestyle for a long time.
01:19:40
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um Or maybe I was just insinuating that jokingly, like, oh, do you know what that means? Oh, yeah, i I see what you mean. Yeah, it's like, oh, you know oh he's like super, super duper anti-gay. Oh, well, you know what that means.
01:19:54
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And it's like, yeah, you can't assume that every person who's really anti-gay is sucking dicks in a back alley. But 10 out of 10 times, if someone is caught doing that, it's like, or 9 out of 10 times, you're like, oh, dude, you had a problem with it.
01:20:15
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i've I so I've been seeing a bunch of articles lately um just aggregating the use, ah the consumption of trans porn. And it's in, in the highest amount of transport. And it's dude, it's, ah this isn't just like some gimmicky, like it's in red States. It's highly like it's highly calculated for population density. Like,
01:20:41
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it's just it It's just a fact that the highest consumption of trans porn is in areas and with people who actively talk about how being trans is wrong and sinful. And you just, I don't know. It's like the taboo nature of it in those places makes it.
01:21:03
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Yeah. It's like they know it's – like in their mind, they're like, I know this is wrong, but I have an inkling towards it, but I think it's a sin and I do it and I just go – confess or whatever. like Like they probably – like they're doing it in the shadows.
01:21:18
Speaker
I mean culturally it's dangerous to do for them. um They probably have an allegiance towards certain right-wing concepts. They probably – like in their mind, they're like, I think this is wrong. And for them, they just like sinned or did something like that.
01:21:36
Speaker
And they're like, ah, but that's my sin nature. Like, I think, I think my frustration to, to blow this up a little bit more with Christianity and its most vocal segments is that so much of it, like so with all of that rhetoric, like they,
01:21:57
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you internalize it, right? That's why like, you know, we, we've had countless gay people on this show that talk about internalized homophobia. And even when you're out and you're like, yeah, I'm gay. You you have,
01:22:09
Speaker
those moments or those nights where you're like, I wonder if what I'm doing is a sin and I'm going to burn in hell for all of eternity. Like it's so ingrained in you that you like really do believe that these things are wrong.
01:22:22
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And this is obviously not like, I don't know what's going on with all the pedophiles in the right wing. don't, And all these conservative people, I don't know. i don't know if it if you if there's a ah part of you that knows it's really fucked up and you gravitate towards something that you can use to tell yourself that it's wrong so that you hope you don't fuck up.
01:22:47
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But like, I don't know. I'm just, I'm at a point where I'm just like, dude, By and large, a lot of this pedophiles exist across all types of and all allegiances, political allegiances.
01:23:03
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But I think there's an inclination to gravitate towards. And this is all just my speculation. Don't quote me. Don't. this isn't science. I'm not citing articles, but it feels like there's an inclination to gravitate towards a type of thinking that is more hard lined that you feel like will help you stay on a straight and narrow path.
01:23:28
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Does that make sense? Yeah, I think so. I think it's, I think part of it too, is you just look at like, okay, who what what is the sample group we're pulling from here?
01:23:39
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You know, if it's politicians, that you're starting with a group of psychopaths. Like, yeah it's it's ah it's groups of people that are... It's part of what's funny about like the, you know, like watching those predator stings and stuff is like the arrogance of people who have so clearly made really bad choices and are now...
01:24:03
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they have inescapable consequences. The arrogance of a person being in that situation and then and then having the audacity to think they're going to talk their way out of it or bluff their way out of it or or spin a yarn that's going to convince them that they weren't actually there for that or something. It's like that's a big part of like how you end up there in the first place because you're ah you're an arrogant prick that thinks you're above other people and you're looking for a vulnerable person to exploit.
01:24:33
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Like, yeah, I think that's what a lot of it is. It's just like it's a sample group. Do you think that that type of person is attracted to religion?
01:24:44
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I mean, that's what it seems like to me. Like there's all these like credibility enhancing like shows of display. There's all these like, I don't know. I'm wondering if like the power that religion gives you over others that you don't find in more liberal sectors.
01:25:03
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is what makes people gravitate towards that. I think that's hitting the nail on the head. Like is it religion to them is less about like a, you know, a system of belief or conviction or whatever, and more about like a tool power protection with a structure to it that you can use to impose yourself against other people.
01:25:23
Speaker
Yeah. like and it And it will offer you a degree of protection. And you might like people are like, oh, they seem like a good person. It seemed really authentic. And like, obviously, I think after five plus years of doing the show, like in talking about these people.
01:25:40
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And we've had that conversation a lot about the level or degree of buy-in that people have. It seems just – and how we've talked about how like belief is barely a factor.
01:25:53
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And that just seems to ring true still like – I think they con convincecing convince themselves might be the wrong word. Everything's utilitarian to them. like they're It's just like, what's a tool for my benefit?
01:26:07
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And
Isolation and Institutions: A Leftist Struggle?
01:26:08
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my benefit is good because I am a narcissist and I'm a pervert and i need to I need to cover this in some way. But um there's almost a level of like, I'm not covering...
01:26:23
Speaker
It's so multifaceted, I guess is what I'm trying to say. It's like, you know, you your first... ah your the The first time you prey on somebody else might be because like within that role, but there was a level...
01:26:43
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It's more, this might be a weird way to say it, but it's like that coming into yourself idea of like, I gravitated towards this role because of my desire for power over others.
01:26:58
Speaker
But we grew up in that world. Like I grew, ah i know for a fact, I can look back on a million instances of my life. I'm, thankfully to some degree a normal fucking person. Right. But like, I can still look back on my life in that world and think about the respect that you got for, for being the guy, for being the one who bought into it.
01:27:22
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That's what I was chasing because I do have this need to please authority figures. Um, so if you're a person who has that desire to be loved, respected, revered,
01:27:34
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And that comes from a place like that comes from this desire in your you mask your own desire. Right. You go like that's because this is right. That's because I'm right.
01:27:46
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That's because whatever you store, you need to tell yourself makes you gravitate towards institutions where that is a value. Right. And I think there's less institutions like that on the left, um like that are that are tight knit in that way. And that that mean, there's a whole like sociological approach to the benefits of religious education.
01:28:11
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like to to functioning within a religious environment, um, sociologically and that sense of belonging and how, when you leave conservatism or the right, like you don't really have that anymore.
01:28:25
Speaker
When, like when you leave evangelicalism, you don't have it at that anymore. Like, There's so many years's less defined structures like that. Right, and we crave that as people.
01:28:37
Speaker
And you'll hear from people on the left that they that they feel secluded, that they feel more alone, that when they don't have those institutions, it does impact your connection to others based on shared values.
01:28:55
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Yeah. Yeah, and I think where you do see like...
Political Criticism and Church Humor
01:29:00
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supposedly left-leaning people that get caught in those same scenarios and stuff. it's it's um um it's It's where there's a structure like that in place and like, you know, partisan politics is one of the few that that exists for for people like that, you know, on the left.
01:29:19
Speaker
But again, it's like, left, right, whatever. It's like the kind of people we're talking about, like that's just those, those ideologies are just tools to them. Like they're not principled leftists, you know? And I think even, even you look at like people who are not, you know, outright predators or anything like that, but just like, just career ladder climbers. mean, Kamala Harris.
01:29:43
Speaker
Yeah. Kamala Harris is not a principled leftist. I don't think Kamala Harris, I don't know that she has principles. I think that, Kamala cares about what's good for Kamala. And like she gave a statement this week, sort of, about somebody asked her about, you know, whether or not Israel had committed a genocide.
01:30:02
Speaker
And she wouldn't answer, but basically said, i think we need to ask those questions. It's like, odd get out, get out of here.
01:30:13
Speaker
You're not even running anymore. Hearing from people like you who like just so desperately want to play the odds with whatever, you know, who's going to be the horse that gets you to the next rung on the ladder. Like you're never getting it back. You're never going to run again and have any sort of chance.
01:30:29
Speaker
You've spent your shot. You clearly don't have it. Stop playing these stupid games. Like just do so just, in Just invest yourself in something real. Right.
01:30:40
Speaker
As opposed to trying to do this stupid like you know PR game all the time. Right. And that answer makes me go immediately, are you going to run in 2028? Is that why you're doing this? I think she thinks she will.
01:30:55
Speaker
Like, you don't want to tie yourself to... ah the You don't want to hit your horse to a particular cart until you can game what's going on here. Like, that's what that makes me think. Like, that's such a pandering worth... Not even pandering. That's not... You're not pandering to a particular side. That's just like ah It's just a worthless answer where you go, you're like that answer alone makes me go. She's putting your name on the ballot for 2020. Yeah.
01:31:22
Speaker
It's not in service to either side. It's only in service to Kamala Harris. Yeah. Like the the hands down the Zionist faction is not going to be happy with that answer either, you know, but she's not ready to plant her flag anywhere just yet.
01:31:37
Speaker
Right, and just like certain people won't abandon her for that answer, the Zionist faction won't ah they won't abandon her. they'll just They're just going to wait and see if they can yeah utilize her for their purposes. Yeah, it's like, well, that's a great question, Kamala.
01:31:54
Speaker
You know would have been a good time to ask that question is when you were vice president, you know? Right. It's just crazy, man. i don't know. You can't untangle some of these people we have uh what three years and two months before that uh time comes so i know i think that all the time i think that like i was april i were just talking today i'm like we're not even a year in like no what's gonna be here in three more years you know i don't know depressing hey we ended on depressing though good for us hey so look i think the
01:32:37
Speaker
At the end of the day, just, you know, hug your loved ones. And I know it's not practical, but go ahead and treat yourself to that Funko Pop.
01:32:47
Speaker
You deserve that Funko Pop. Maybe even that Louis Vuitton bag. Maybe. Yeah. If you've stolen that money from your church. Like, honestly, you don't even, like, I know Louis Vuitton is expensive, but it's it's not much more expensive than a couple of handfuls out of the basket as it goes along. You know,
01:33:07
Speaker
yeah and Treat yourself. I mean, I think like my church, you know I remember one of the like traveling evangelists that came through introduced this concept of the faith promise offering.
01:33:18
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Right? Right.
Humorous Reflections on Church Return
01:33:19
Speaker
You know, you you were we're honor bound by God to to tithe 10% of our income, but the faith promise offering is is above and beyond. It's extra. It's for a specific purpose.
01:33:32
Speaker
And in this case, it's to buy LeBouBou for your Louis Vuitton bag.
01:33:39
Speaker
I know you never really tithed, Casey. Did you ever tithe? Did you ever tithe once in your life? Yeah, tithed back when my mom made me. Oh, so you're living at home. Yeah, when I was a kid, I tithed on everything that I made.
01:33:53
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Your $4.85 salary at 10 hours a week? I made pretty good money working for my dad.
01:34:02
Speaker
And what's changed? Nothing. Just my level of tithing. Yeah.
01:34:12
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It's funny because it's like i could, you know, I try to think through these scenarios of like in what in what scenario could I see myself like going back into church, you know, and it's really hard to think of a reason why that would happen.
01:34:28
Speaker
I don't know that there is one, you know, but one thing I know for certain, it's not even worth entertaining the concept at all is the idea that I would someday tie the gap.
01:34:41
Speaker
absolutely no way i think about that a good bit i drive by a lot of i mean everybody drives by a lot of churches but i've talked before about like so there's that part of church that you miss right that that's like oh there's the thing you do with those people you see like i don't know there's something about it um when you think on the good parts that you miss. And I think that i think that the only thing that would get me back into like a ah ah church, and there's one there's one in the center of my town, it's like some i ah congregational, it's a congregational church, which means fuck all, I don't know.
01:35:18
Speaker
um Their website sucks. You can't tell what they think on their website. That's for sure. But I, the idea of going and just being annoying in Sunday school, but that's, that's what would get me back into church. That could be really fun. Yeah.
01:35:33
Speaker
That's the only thing I think about because i my wife has more of a proclivity towards it still. um and I could see her one day being like, maybe we should.
01:35:43
Speaker
and i'd be like if If we go, either you go by yourself or you resign to the fact that I'm going to be really fucking annoying there. which She might rather go by herself.
01:35:56
Speaker
I don't know. like and i don't mind like I know some people are like, I would never put my kids... I don't care if she takes a kid. I don't care. Like they know their parents and where we stand and what we think.
01:36:09
Speaker
And if the church was to say something weird be like, yeah, that's fucking stupid. And then you're like, oh, okay. Like that's fine. I'm not worried about that. But I would, I just, I love the, I've talked about it enough before where I just love the idea of going and being annoying. theyre Like we would like you to leave. And I'm like, that's not going to happen.
01:36:28
Speaker
I'm just going to show up here every week and you can't, you literally can't do anything about it. And that brings me so much pleasure. That would mortify my wife. ah We're good. But if she left me, it's because she's like, I, I didn't know you'd be like this one day.
01:36:47
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's all about finding the silver lining, right? Sure, maybe your husband got his neck blown off on TV, but that was three weeks ago, and now you're the belle of the ball running the organization, and you have ah so much exciting content coming out.
01:37:06
Speaker
You've got to dwell on the positive. Yeah, you hosted a party, you sold merch, Glitter and confetti fell from the ceiling. It was, I mean, it was a party.
01:37:24
Speaker
But not a tea party. so Well, thank you folks for listening and we will see you next
01:37:41
Speaker
time.