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Ep. 238 – Johnnie Moore: Ladder-Climbing PR Chief of the Mediterranean Killing Fields
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This week we’re catching up on a few of the avalanche of news stories that have built up over the past few weeks! We glance at the ongoing Epstein case, the absolutely hilarious PR nightmare that is the Trump Administration’s response, and then talk about an ambitious young buck from our past who went from bottle feeding Jerry Falwell pureed Big Macs at Liberty University to the Executive Chairman of the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation: pastor Johnnie Moore. So enjoy the episode and send all of your thoughts and prayers to poppa Sam, whose wife is in the middle of having their third baby!
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Introduction and Relevance of Epstein Discussion
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um could i just into se ah you still talking about jeffrey epstein this guy's been talked about for years you're asking we have texas we have this we have all of the things and are people still talking about this guy this creep
00:00:34
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Hey everybody, we are back with another episode of Growing Up Christian. I'm Sam. I'm Casey. And we're back. I feel I missed your last ah last episode. i don't know if you gave a, well, we had our episode with ah Dan, the one before that I was not on.
00:00:52
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um But we recorded, in the meantime, recorded the one with Mitch Matthews. Yeah, yeah. And I was bummed. At first, i was not like you had to kind of sell me on the idea.
00:01:05
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And then after you did, i was really excited.
Guest Booking Challenges and Mitch Matthews' Insights
00:01:09
Speaker
I had some little talking points and things that I wanted to the poke at. And then ah I could not get on the internet at all.
00:01:19
Speaker
I thought it was an internet issue, turned out to be a computer issue. And now I'm here from a brand new computer. had to spend ah send some money on a new computer, unfortunately. But mine was like eight years old and it was an old work laptop that they just took off the network and gave to me because it's probably cheaper to give it to somebody than to pay to throw it away.
00:01:41
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But yeah, so Like, hey, can you put this in the ocean for us? Yeah. So, yeah, I was about to miss that. And then ah you just feel bad, too, right? Like, you know, 30 seconds before you're supposed to be on, you're just like, I'm not going to make it.
00:02:00
Speaker
So we we have at times we have tried to book guests that were still – More in the realm of Christianity that like we came from, you know, because I mean, there's clearly like we've got a lot of people who identify as Christians that have been on the show. But for the most part, they sort of lean the same directions as we do. You know, it's like kind of the post evangelical. Right, right.
00:02:25
Speaker
You know, Libcox Christian sort of thing. Yeah. But we don't you know, when when we've tried at times to reach out to guests who are still in that world and still like believe in that kind of stuff and have, you know, more conservative takes on things like is very hard to get them on. Like they really don't want to do it.
00:02:49
Speaker
And I guess, I mean, to sign up for, you know, just being berated, which is I'm sure what they think would happen if they were on the show. yeah I get it. It's probably not a fun idea.
00:03:00
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But um yeah, Mitch was, he was happy to come
Personal Anecdotes and Humorous Stories
00:03:04
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on. We, you know, we kind of talked about it as we went because there's a, we get a lot of ah emails from like services that are pitching podcast guests.
00:03:15
Speaker
Yeah. I just read another one today. I'm like, that guy sounds like a terrible interview. Some of them are ridiculous. Like, People who authored a book that is definitely going nowhere.
00:03:27
Speaker
Right. Now is your opportunity to have, you know, ah Pastor Terry West on the on the podcast and to talk about a book he self-published and sunk $10,000 of his retirement into that he'll never make back.
00:03:41
Speaker
Right. But yeah, Mitch actually was I actually I really liked him. He's a very nice guy. And. You know, it's hard to say how much people adapt their views to the audience they're speaking to, because I mean, I expected him to be a lot more conservative on things than and reserved about stuff than, you know, he ended up being. But very nice guy. Hey, we don't agree on everything. But I think ah the funniest part of the interview that people drew attention to after the fact was one of his stories about like, you know, times when God has spoke to him.
00:04:21
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was It was about a couple that they were doing counseling with, and he was praying for blessings on them and stuff. And he's like, innna you know i I prayed that God would bless their home, and I got this little nudge.
00:04:35
Speaker
I got this little nudge from the Holy Spirit, and I just felt and just felt in my mind as i had I saw homes, homes, plural. And so I said, no, i mean, let me correct that.
00:04:46
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God, please bless their homes and everywhere that they reside and blah, blah, blah, blah. blah It turns out Katie Holmes locked in their basement. Somebody does. Nobody's seen Katie Holmes in a couple decades, right?
00:04:59
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Probably Tom Cruise. But yeah, after the fact, they're like, how did you know? He's like, how did I know what? They're like, We haven't told anybody yet, but we just bought a second home. We bought a vacation home and we, you know, we were keeping it, keeping it quiet, you know, and I don't know you would have known that.
00:05:16
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And he's like, yeah, it's just how the Holy Spirit works sometimes. And it's like, couldn't pick a worse example for the audience that we have than like the Holy Spirit prompted me to bless this person's
Language Perceptions and Youth Group Behavior
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second home. Yeah.
00:05:35
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Right. Yeah, I'm pretty sure given the statistics, the majority of our audience doesn't even have their first home thanks to a completely obliterated economy.
00:05:46
Speaker
Yeah, pretty much. Thanks to the the the second greatest generation. Yeah. ah You'll also notice I have a new backdrop. I am in my new home, finally. i was going to ask you about this couch you're sitting on.
00:06:01
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yeah It's one of the old school like ones that has the wood banister thing above it. and yeah pattern like four It looks like the liner of my grandma's casket.
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yeah
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and It has shower curtain vibes or drapes vibes. um it yeah yeah mean I got it for free on Facebook Marketplace a couple years ago. ah so what What is the texture of that fabric like? Is it rough?
00:06:31
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It's not soft. It kind of has that canvassy feel to it, you know? Makes a very scratchy sound when you rub your fingernails around it. Has it got kind of a mothball sort of odor to it?
00:06:44
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ah if It has any odor. It didn't when we got it. It was... Something tells me there was a and a nice layer of plastic over this couch for about 30 years before we got it.
00:06:56
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Yeah, it looks like it came with a slip cover. Yeah, given the the style, I think that's... I'm pretty sure it was legally required to put these things under plastic. Reminds me when my mom used to put the rubber sheets on because I just couldn't quit whizzing.
00:07:11
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Yeah, I was going to say fucking, but I forgot that you were bad one. that what use those for now? yeah you Yeah, you got to put down the rubber sheets ah so you don't um so you don't get everything all gross and stinky after your piss play, right?
00:07:25
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Yeah. So this is a weird thought that I had last night, and I was trying to pitch April on the idea. Speaking piss play. You really don't hear women referring to going to the bathroom as taking a whiz.
00:07:39
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And I think that's a missed opportunity. Like when's the, have you ever heard a lady say, Hey, hold that thought. I got to a whiz. Nope. um Or, or piss. I don't think I usually hear women say, take a piss.
00:07:53
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um I've definitely heard that one before. Okay. But I'm telling you, that's a, that's a, uh, uh, an untapped, uh, little piece of vocabulary that you ladies in the audience can add to your repertoire.
00:08:08
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Yeah, I mean, i don't know what it will do for the individual who adds it to their repertoire. I don't know what you want to do with that information to be honest, or why it's important to you for people to adapt that language. but I just think it's a really funny phrase, and I don't really know why.
00:08:26
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because you Because you're still 12 years old in a lot ways. It's like refined vulgarity. You know, like... Whiz. Whiz. it it's It's infantile. talk already I always I used to get in trouble. like ah no one in my family cared about the word crap, but like maybe it was slightly unpleasant. But the only time I was like ever got like my mom was like, come on, it was when I would say caca. She hated caca.
00:08:53
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My mom hated feces. Really? And that's clinical. Yeah. You feel like, oh it smells like fecal matter in here. She'd be like, that's enough.
00:09:05
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Did you have anybody in your youth group that would be like get upset when you said the word crap? No, no. For the most part, I was probably one of the, um I think a lot of the kids in my youth group outside of it used youth swear words. um I guess myself included.
00:09:25
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um But and there wasn't a single person in it that would have been offended by that.
Epstein Files and Political Distractions
00:09:32
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It wasn't even like, I know some people who but went through youth group were like,
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youth pastors like, come on now, we're not going to talk like that at youth group if you would say crap or sucks or something like that. But um that was never, that never that never came up in mind.
00:09:47
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We had one guy that would call you out for it. He'd really get like abrasive about it and be like, everybody knows what you think, what you'd rather be saying. And then he ended up being a pedophile.
00:09:58
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Yeah. Well, you know, sometimes it goes down that way. I guess everybody's got their little, ah you know, peeves. Yeah. Mine happens to be pedophiles. I don't know. Yeah, I think you're in good company there.
00:10:13
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that That may be why we're, in fact, seeing a lot of the right kind of pushback on the... a lack of effort being put into releasing the Epstein files that no longer exist.
00:10:26
Speaker
Okay, so we have to talk about this. because Yeah, I mean, we can a little bit. Let's let's do it but set the timer. Let's try not to go over like 10 minutes on this. Yes, because in the last like three weeks here, I've consumed so much Epstein content that like my brain is rotten.
00:10:45
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I literally like I'm i'm losing like ram mentally because of how much Epstein stuff I've listened to. can't, his old stuff, right?
00:10:55
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Yeah. Not this new garbage. Yeah.
00:11:01
Speaker
I just wake up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat and be like, but the Dalton school. I actually haven't. i've I've caught the highlights, but um with my move, um ah in it took me like a week to get internet at my house and it's a cellular dead zone. So like I haven't really, I've been here like putting shit together, trying to go through stuff. And it's like,
00:11:25
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i haven't I haven't had enough internet capabilities until Saturday to like keep the YouTube content running while I spend six hours putting a shelf together. So I'm not just in the know, but I am paying attention to the highlights in the the the narrative shifts that we go from like, that we're going to release them to they don't exist. so Why does everyone care about these? i don't even know why anyone cares. This is old news to it's a Democrat.
00:11:52
Speaker
The Democrats made it to, I don't know. I don't actually know where we're at now. So maybe you can, wow oh shit, there's a mouse in my basement. Oh, man, what sort of hovel did you buy?
00:12:04
Speaker
You little bitch. He's running around my waffle iron as we speak. Dude, he's dragging his balls on there. He's definitely he's taking a whiz on that waffle iron.
00:12:15
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i think but Damn, I need a real door. I have like a wooden door ah that goes to my bulkhead. And I, do you know how distracting this guy is going to be? He's probably going crawl up my shorts.
00:12:29
Speaker
He's maybe ah I'm more scared of him than he is of me right now. He's trying to climb up the walls. They can jump pretty far. This is wild. Yeah. They're incredible acrobats.
00:12:40
Speaker
Yeah. What an athlete. um Yeah. I don't have a real door. I need to, I think that's going to be, I was planning on keeping some dry goods down here. I guess that's ah of the other question. I'm going to,
00:12:52
Speaker
get what I think that's my cat. A mouse baller. ah Yeah, a whack-a-mole. Big plastic hammer you can just turn that thing into jelly with. Giant inflatable ones from that you get when you score a few points at that basketball game at your local fair.
00:13:07
Speaker
Ah, yes, the big bopper. ah It's a favorite around our house. It's fun to chase dogs with. Dude, I got a lot of mice around here. We'll get back to Epstein in a second. um I found a family in my shed chilling, just like eyeing my new lawnmower, waiting to fuck it up this summer, this winter. They can't wait. I'll have to fill your airbox full of turds.
00:13:30
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Yeah, they'll go ham on it. And then, well, dude, i'd sorry. I lost my train of thought big time. This guy's going to be a major distraction. Yeah. I think once I let my cat, I don't have a cat door to my basement yet, but I think once I keep my, the litter box and shit down here, um, when I lived in a house, uh, the first house they bought had like, when I moved in, there was like mice shit everywhere.
00:13:55
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And then, um, after we moved in with our cats, like within a week, I mean, I never saw a mouse the entire time I lived there. So hopefully, um, hopefully I'll make a snack of them or, um,
00:14:10
Speaker
Or he'll just kind of scare him off. right He's in my salad tosser right now. what
00:14:18
Speaker
Hopefully that's not the waffle iron for company. It's just your personal basement one. Yeah, it's this the salad spinner, excuse me, the one where you soak your leaves and then spin them really fast.
00:14:29
Speaker
He just keeps jumping into the wall, like literally just... launching himself into the cement wall and sticking to it for a second and then fall. Do you want to pause for a second? See, you're sorting out.
00:14:39
Speaker
I don't know what to do with it. I'm too, I'm not going to anywhere near it. Ah, what do I, yeah. Pause real quick. And then we'll jump back on empty. And I don't know what I'm doing. Okay.
Controversial Figures and Podcast Responsibilities
00:14:49
Speaker
So Sam's back. He, uh, he smashed it into a red stain on his carpet.
00:14:54
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i I spread my butt cheeks, sat right on it, clasped him tight, and then boom. Dropped him outside. Asphyxiation, yeah. that's I don't know. That might be more humane. I don't know.
00:15:05
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Actually, I lost him, and but I promise I won't. If I see him, i'll ahll no one will know. Unless he crawls up me, then then you'll know. I'll freak the fuck out.
00:15:19
Speaker
Well, yeah, the ah the Epstein thing is just like an ever deepening hole that Trump keeps digging for himself. There is, it's so bizarre to have a group of people campaign on like one of the main things that came up in their stuff, even if it wasn't like official policy or whatever, like all of them, maybe minus Trump talked about the Epstein files. We got to release the files, you know, Cash Patel like grifted off of that for quite a while.
00:15:51
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Dan Bongino talked about it a whole bunch. ah Watching Cash flip on this is annoying as shit, too. He's such he's the biggest phony in the game. He's the most pathetic.
00:16:02
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He's the most pathetic of all of these characters. Like just just a blatant douchebag. Yeah. The amount of simping and coping he's doing constantly is it it's pathetic.
00:16:15
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You know, what's funny, I keep thinking, like, he definitely brought in, like, his little crew and crew of ogres when he went into office. But there's still no shortage of, like, you know, deep state, old guard, cretins around.
00:16:32
Speaker
Right. You know, none of them are coming anywhere near this. Like, they're letting all of these, like, pseudo-influencer social media people conservative, you know, news channel circuit douchebags, like take the heat on this thing. And yeah, it's very funny.
00:16:50
Speaker
The whole thing you just have to like, like it's, it's awful given the subject matter and what we know happened, you know, to, ah to the victims and stuff, which also that is one thing you don't hear from any of the There's a wide swath of people that really want this to go away and that are happy enough to explain it away or diminish it or whatever. Like, none of those people really have anything to say about the victims.
00:17:15
Speaker
And while some of them are dead and gone, there's still a lot that aren't. Well, Cash said didn't want to ah but cash they didn't want to re-victimize them if he had it. Like, why would he put it out? Just to re-victimize the women.
00:17:28
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Well, at least there's one knight in shining armor there to yeah defend their honor, but... but it's um It's interesting too because i don't – my timeline I think is a little fuzzy on it.
00:17:41
Speaker
The Epstein files, that was... The files were put together under the Obama administration, and then he died under the Trump administration in jail, right? Is that... It really depends on... It depends on, like, what you define as ep as the Epstein files, you know? Yeah, okay. Because that's another, like, really slippery part of this whole thing is, like, what counts as the Epstein files and what they should actually release. Because they they're basically, like...
00:18:09
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kind of offering up court transcripts from like his indictment in 2019 or whatever it was. Um, the grand jury documents, which is not what anybody wants out of this thing. Like, right there's actually, if the best,
00:18:25
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explanation of of all of this that I've that i've listened to is Sagar and Jetty was on Flagrant 2 last week, which is a show that i struggle with at times. I don't love that show. Yeah, i same.
00:18:40
Speaker
It is a great interview. Dude, Sagar is on it. and I watched a clip of him talking. ah it was that he was The start of it was him asking how they feel about...
00:18:53
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you know having Trump on and if there's any regrets there. and Their answers were wanting at best. I found myself audibly retorting to YouTube video um in my car while I was listening to it just because I'm like,
00:19:08
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this is These are bullshit answers. like this is i Yeah. They're bullshit answers, and I think that those... i do As much as I disagree with them on in areas, I don't think they're stupid.
00:19:20
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um I think they like to... I think like a lot of comics um that want to talk about important things but also don't want any ah accountability for the seriousness of the topics they handle, they get to just kind of...
00:19:36
Speaker
bullshit around it and period oh I'm just an idiot I'm just a comic like think it's easy to do that um but it just get that whole like podcast circuit of podcast bros getting having Trump come on so he could be tossed softballs and play silly little backyard games with, I just found annoying and and to hear them still try to deflect like when they, it's pretty obvious what like was happening.
00:20:00
Speaker
ah finally yeah just I just goofy. I tend to like cut them a lot of slack on that in that regard, just because, you know, all of them have, I mean, by all accounts, all of them have had like open offers to Kamala Harris to come on and do the same thing.
00:20:18
Speaker
For sure, yeah. and And it was a mistake on her part to not do that stuff, you know? But I do think, like, you got to take responsibility, at least to some extent, for being wrong. And, like, ah Andrew Schultz and those guys are, yeah, their answers on it are not good. I think where what...
00:20:38
Speaker
what made me kind of what's really like made me kind of rethink my thoughts on some of that stuff is uh i don't know if you saw anything on it but the nelk boys had uh netanyahu on yes uh i i didn't watch it i just heard about this i wasn't even familiar with who those boys were um before well they suck i mean they sucked before this they've sucked for a long time but they They had Trump on and stuff you know early on before all the other podcasts did. and
00:21:12
Speaker
It's just they've got a pretty big following. It's hard to say what people watch them for, you know but it's just kind of like a bro podcast. The whole thing is kind of... i don't I don't know. There's some of those... like Who is listening to Impulsive?
00:21:28
Speaker
yeah get i don There's a couple of big podcasts that I feel like i I've learned about. and come to find out that they have like a massive listener base. And it's like, I've never heard of this. like I don't know what people are going to this for.
00:21:42
Speaker
I don't, it doesn't. Go ahead. I've got to give you your flowers. ah You were way ahead of the curve on on ah Lex Friedman. Yeah, dude. Dude, I thought when you sent me that video of him,
00:21:57
Speaker
About him. ah That was I felt so good because I knew that guy was bullshit for from the start. And he's a total fucking fraud. You called it. Yeah.
00:22:11
Speaker
But yeah. the So so the those Nelk boys had Netanyahu on and I mean, it it's it's one thing when it's like, you know, you're making your platform available to both sides of something like, you know, the political race or whatever. Like, that's whatever. That's fine.
00:22:31
Speaker
But, like, I think it's different when you have, like, Netanyahu who's not doing any interviews with actual journalists or people who are going to push back and ask him tough questions. And, like, dude, hundred I mean, literally hundreds of people are dying a day in Gaza and they're like reaching the absolute breaking point in terms of starvation and stuff.
00:22:52
Speaker
Yeah. So for them to have him on and just be like, you know, what do you like you like McDonald's or Burger King better? It's like, oh my God, just. He obviously likes McDonald's more.
00:23:03
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I mean, we've all like Burger King more. Oh, no way. He's so no. That's not who does. Oh, netana i was sorry. I was back on Trump. Oh, OK. yeah Yeah, I'm sure Trump would say McDonald's.
00:23:15
Speaker
That is, a yeah, that's annoying. It's gross. I mean, to even, there's a line too, right? To have Netanyahu on is just like, what unless you're like doing some real like hardcore journalism, there's no reason to be talking that. like If you had a serial, if I guess people would talk to a serial killer. I'm just trying to think of anything example from like if if but like a mad shooter right like yeah if you just if someone walked into a school and executed a bunch of people you're like gonna have them on your podcast to ask if they like mcdonald's or burger king more that's what i mean it's obviously insane to do that and then you have netanyahu who's leveled an entire city and turn it into fucking rubble and he's been jerking himself off the entire time
00:24:05
Speaker
Like, what do you, why would you ever talk to a guy like that? Unless you're going to actually ask him serious questions. And even then, ah what's it's very, so very, there'd be very, there wouldn't be a real point to it because he's not an honest person.
00:24:22
Speaker
Oh, that's even worse. Their team reached out to those kids and, they didn't They didn't, you know, email his people asking if he'll come on. Like, they reached out to him because that's exactly what they wanted out of it. They wanted, like, a low-pressure environment where he could get in there and they could be like, why do people say that you're starving Palestinians? And they could just be like, well, we want to deliver aid, but Hamas just steals all the food.
00:24:46
Speaker
Right. Oh, God. they're They're taking it all and they they take the best for themselves and then they they jack up the prices and sell the rest of it. And it's like, I can't, I can't listen to, dude.
00:24:57
Speaker
dude The War in Gaza, like i don't that is one of the things that I'm just like... i I'm trying not to distance myself from the content around it.
00:25:10
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like I'm still listening to a lot of interviews and stuff like that. But like the videos are just... They're so brutal. Yeah, it's horrific. We'll get into it here in in a minute. But there was some there's there's a bit of a Liberty tie-in at this point that...
00:25:28
Speaker
is it's just unbelievably dark dark and disgusting. So. Yeah. But yeah, on the Epstein thing, is this it's just the funniest spectacle to watch to watch them like just spike the ball on it and decide that like, oh, nope, it's solved.
Political Critiques and Contradictions
00:25:45
Speaker
Case closed. He killed himself. There's nothing else to see here. I mean, it's just, I don't i don't know why we're still talking.
00:25:51
Speaker
I mean, they released the they released their initial statement on it. and ah And like a day and a half later, when a reporter asked a question about it, he's like, are we still talking about Epstein?
00:26:02
Speaker
every after this this sicko i mean what are people still talking about him and it's like uh dude you're not you can sell a lot of things you're not gonna sell this one like no it's it's bad and and i think the his poll numbers are collapsing and they're trying every trick in the book to try to distance themselves from it and create distractions around like they've got this new like revamped russia gate thing where they're gonna they're they're talking about obama committing treason for ordering yeah yeah report i don't just the whole thing's so it's not gonna work dude it's insane and it's like every it just it feels unfathomable that this is our political discord right now like
00:26:49
Speaker
All the things that are being talked about, all the things that are being locked in on. you're just like it it we've been Everyone's been saying this for a long time, that it's like everything everything feels like satire now. and it' just it it It never gets better.
00:27:05
Speaker
It only gets worse. everything it just it's it You have to like shake your head like really fast, like you're coming out of a daze every time you listen to him speak.
00:27:16
Speaker
Yeah, like you're you're trying to decide if the edible has kicked in. Yeah, it's really it's really something to behold. One thing you got to say for the guy, and ah he reminds... The thought occurs to me like once a month at this point, but like, say what you will about Trump, you can't predict what direction he's going to go. Because I would have i would have never...
00:27:42
Speaker
in a million years predicted that this is how they would handle the case. It's so nuts. And dude, he's like, he's so frustrated over it that he's like, he's even like flaming his, his acolytes at this point. Like he, he, he made some statements about Alex Jones being a moron and stuff because of, uh, he hasn't towed the line well enough on Epstein.
00:28:06
Speaker
Dude, there's this great clip that if it played it on like Lemon Party this morning of Alex talking in his he's in his car and he's like ah he's reading it. President Trump called him a ah ah dumb whatever, you know, and he's like, wow. Oh, thank thank thank you, Mr. President. I really appreciate that. You know, I am a little bit retarded, ah but I'm not not as retarded as you are or acting these days.
00:28:33
Speaker
It's like, dude, if you lose Alex Jones. oh I mean, he's not going to lose Mark Levin and those guys like they are dyed in the world, dyed in the wool psychopaths that yeah are going to use his his administration to their own ends forever, you know, but like.
00:28:54
Speaker
anybody with a shred of integrity at all, like even if they've been kind of gross in the past or they are, you know, they have frequently abandoned their principles to like s sent for him.
00:29:06
Speaker
You just can't stomach it. I mean, it's, it's crazy. And it's been interesting to watch people who have been like very supportive of him. Just say, this is the last straw.
00:29:18
Speaker
Yeah. Well, and then they, they, they tried to, uh, what was it use the senate to release the files and they're just like actually we're closing early yeah it's like pathetic it's pathetic good our government is just the worst it's the worst it's crazy it's like at every turn you're just disappointed by what you see freaking aoc voting against like disarming israel and stuff i mean oh Yeah, that one, yeah that one's really odd because only six people voted against it um or voted for it. And
00:29:56
Speaker
and I guess it had to do with pulling money from the iron dome and had absolutely nothing to do with, uh, pulling like armaments, like arms shipments from them.
00:30:10
Speaker
Um, so they'd still be receiving all the same offensive capabilities, but not, but losing the defensive capabilities. And it's just like, I understand trying to call him to like, you know,
00:30:23
Speaker
trying to call them to the carpet in some way afford, like to be like, Hey, this is what's going to happen. But it's also like, what it That felt like pageantry, you know, it failed. Only six people voted for it. Like it was to me, that just felt like a thing.
00:30:38
Speaker
yeah kind of, that of no consequence. It was like, no, everyone knew it was going to go through. ever It was like the iron, door the iron dome is, I mean, yes, please stop funding the iron dome with my fucking tax dollars. It's obviously ridiculous. Like,
00:30:54
Speaker
yeah but We pay more for the Iron Dome than we probably would for a percentage of the population's health care if we fucking socialized it. But so we can say, yeah, so yes, please pull all funding. But in the in in based on the the current zeitgeist, like, why don't we start with not sending them offensive weapons to bomb people for the fuck of
Gaza Conflict and Humanitarian Efforts
00:31:19
Speaker
it?
00:31:19
Speaker
like right Let's start there. That'd be great. Maybe he would have had more votes. I doubt it. i because what aacc funds i just saw the thing that a story about APAC funding being like the one of the top contributors to 100% of Republicans' campaigns and 75% of Democrats.
00:31:38
Speaker
That's disgusting. That's foreign that's foreign interference into a fucking and into our government, but we're going to still... you know do all these like fucking song and dances about every other country except for Israel. It's disgusting.
00:31:55
Speaker
Well, it's like you hear arguments for stuff like that being like, well, you know, Iron Dome is defensive and civilians will be in danger and stuff. And it's like, yeah, no, they they should be right. That's your your constant like bolstering their defenses is what enables their bellicose behavior towards Iran and towards Syria and all these places. For sure. Because that's a great they know they're not at risk.
00:32:20
Speaker
like they know that we will step in and and protect them from like a missile launch or whatever. So like they're more than happy to violate ceasefire agreements and and, you know, blow up the the Iranian embassy in Damascus and stuff.
00:32:35
Speaker
Yeah. um'm I'm just I'm so tired of like the the constant like obfuscation around Israel and Gaza like you know The whole big thing now is like, well, we've totally destabilized the Syrian government and overthrew Assad, and now it's ruled by a former Al-Qaeda guy who ah you know they they put on a suit to make him a little more presentable to American audiences and said, he's refined and he's ready to lead the country. you know He's just a puppet regime.
00:33:04
Speaker
Israel goes in and destroys every piece of military infrastructure that they have. With no announcement, no talk, discussion around it, anything. They just went in and bombed like all of their arms depots, took out all of their military like assets and stuff like that, left Syria completely defenseless and reliant on Western aid and support.
00:33:25
Speaker
And now it's, of course, you've got a central government with no resources or anything to to keep the peace and order and everything. So you have like sectarian violence that's happening and you know, when people like they're in the comment section of a, of a post about Gaza or something like that. And they're like, well, why aren't you saying anything about the massacre of the Druze people in Syria? You know, it's because it's your your fake, you know, selective outrage and stuff. and It's like,
00:33:55
Speaker
no No, I mean, that's bad, too. that's it's but like It's all just like a smokescreen, and they use like the worst things in the world the worst things happening in the world as just like little argument points to to like counteract legitimate criticism of what they're doing.
00:34:13
Speaker
Yeah, oh yeah. yeah So talking about the Liberty tie-in to ah to what's going on in Gaza. um So there was a guy... that I don't even, he was like an assistant to Jerry Falwell and ah like an associate pastor or something like that on campus. His name is Johnny Moore.
00:34:32
Speaker
And he was sort of like the Ryan Seacrest of Liberty when we were there. He was like the MC. He's the campus pastor. So like if you went to campus church in the Vine Center, their auditorium, um Liberty had their own church that was not really It didn't function.
00:34:51
Speaker
It wasn't functionally church in any way. It was just a gathering where you could listen to some dipshit say shit for a minute. And that dipshit was Johnny Moore. Johnny Moore looks like Kris Kringle from Santa Claus is Coming to Town, if you're...
00:35:07
Speaker
just to paint that picture for you. He does. Yeah, he's got... He's got, like, these, like, intense eyes. Like, these big, intense eyes.
00:35:18
Speaker
he He kind of, like, it's like... He's like the definition of uncanny valley. Like he doesn't, he's looking through you. ah He's, he's computing what you say and then generating a fine tuned response.
00:35:36
Speaker
um He's, he was there. He went from being campus pastor to like being the PR guy, I believe. And that made sense because what, I mean, why not take the world? You want the world's biggest simp cock as your PR guy.
00:35:52
Speaker
Um, and his, did that phony ass pastor voice, you know, the intensifying at the end, you bring on the music, you say shit in like a ASMR style. It's, he was, i had only gone to campus church a few times when I was at Liberty. Um, when I was in between churches, you know, when I was church shopping and, uh,
00:36:19
Speaker
i I was not necessarily likely because I was so like in to evangelicalism at that time ah to the whatever extent I was. It's like I do i was like I just afterwards I was like it was fine.
00:36:36
Speaker
I didn't probably throw a bunch of shade at him. But ah even then I was like this is meta. This is like the chat GPT of sermons. This is, you know, five points in a poem. It's fine-tuned to be 50 minutes long it's and it's all and it follows the same formulaic structure like it it but which is what you see in megachurches it's just like that megachurch style yeah and it's bad it was bad then it wasn't good it was not quote-unquote edifying i never walked away being like i that was really good information it was just like
00:37:14
Speaker
Thanks for regurgitating the same rhetoric to try to get people to fucking not sneak into each other's dorms and have sex. Like that's felt like all it really was, but.
00:37:26
Speaker
He was a loser and he was like five foot two. So ah like I it' like maybe he had that little like ah the Napoleon syndrome, you know, where you're like he wanted to be a big man so bad. it was really pathetic.
00:37:41
Speaker
It's very weird to see somebody who's like Like every single subsect of culture has ladder climbers. And it's so strange to watch somebody with ambition climb the ladder in such a bizarre spot.
00:37:57
Speaker
Like, yeah, yeah. I'm going to be the, I'm going to be the king of the The LU campus church or whatever. I don't know. It's just lame. What a lackluster thing to do with your life.
00:38:10
Speaker
And I forget what he did before the campus pastor thing. There was a guy... was I think he was the personal assistant to Jerry Falwell. i Didn't he become that? I don't know. I just read like his Wikipedia or something like that this week. There was a guy... was it Chris...
00:38:28
Speaker
uh if you were like a youth major or no you if you were a prayer leader you would have to go to these meetings with this guy like the all the prayer leaders would go to these meetings chris something um i want to say that's where johnny came up from was like the guy in charge of like the prayer leaders or the slds or sld is um Spiritual life director.
00:38:53
Speaker
Suckers of Liberty's dick, perhaps, if you will. It's... Yeah, I don't know. So i think he I think Johnny might have climbed up from one of those dungeons to become the campus pastor. And then he was Falwell's right-hand man.
00:39:11
Speaker
Probably defending it. I don't know. he i think he left. was he i don't He might have been gone by the time the ah pool boy scandal. I can't remember if he... He would have toed line.
00:39:22
Speaker
for sure. He would have gone out there and done the, you know, said the university's like approved statements up to the point where they forced them to acknowledge it. Yeah. like He's just a nothing. He's a nothing person. He's sniveling bitch. That's what he's like. A sniveling little bitch.
00:39:37
Speaker
It's he's, he's honestly, he's a perfect candidate to get into politics. Cause like there's just nothing, but it's nothing but a shell, ah guy like, you know, calculating and answers for each situation that have nothing to do with anything that he believes or has conviction about.
00:39:54
Speaker
And I was reading about, um you know, some of the, the humanitarian issues and stuff in, uh, in Gaza and, you know, uh, If you haven't seen some of the news around it. So up until like a couple months ago, there was, you a severe so food shortage because Israel was the Israelis were like restricting trucks coming into the ah into the Gaza Strip. But there was about 400 aid distribution sites scattered around the Gaza Strip.
00:40:25
Speaker
Right. All over the place. So they've pretty much shut down everything except for this like Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, which is like a I think it's like a US based NGO. And they've they've set up for a distribution site. So we went from 400 across the strip to four.
00:40:50
Speaker
Wow. They put them in conflict zones where people have to travel outside of town. Like they've basically put them in spots where they're not they're safe from the terrorists. You got to make sure that they're not going to. Yeah. You got to make sure that they're safe.
00:41:04
Speaker
The other ones were actually the other 396 turned out to have ties terrorism. Yeah. Hamas steals all the food, you know, that's ah its just just common knowledge.
00:41:16
Speaker
At this point. Yeah. so So they put them way out in the middle of nowhere. And in these people have to walk through like free fire zones, you know, go zones in order to get to them. So you're every day when they go out to these AIDS distribution sites, they're they're putting their lives at risk. And that's why. and like the the IDF is like.
00:41:39
Speaker
standing guard over these aid stations and they're actually like they've basically admitted to like we we we use live fire ammunition for crowd control like that's how we direct the crowd is by firing shots over their heads and occasionally just into the group hundreds of people have died i mean literally in the past finally admit something that has been caught on camera several times its yeah for real I think in the past like two weeks, almost 1,000 people have died at these aid distribution centers. That's crazy. Dude, it's every day. If you go on antiwar.com, every day you go on there and it's like 94 Gazans killed at aid distribution site.
00:42:24
Speaker
They just opened fire on the crowd. you know and if you're like ah If you're a young man, dude, it's it's dismal. like Your chances of of getting shot are high.
00:42:36
Speaker
And you don't have to be doing anything. They'll just, they'll just shoot you. And that shows you exactly how horrible things are over there. The fact that people are lining up at those distribution centers, knowing that that means not going is that death is a guarantee essentially. Like why else would you line up if you're, if that's such a huge risk?
00:42:58
Speaker
Well, they're, then they're only giving them about an hour's notice when that the, the distribution site is going to open. And they're only keeping them open between like 30 minutes and an hour and a half at a time.
00:43:11
Speaker
That's worse than trying to buy tickets for a major show on Ticketmaster. Right. It's like buying Taylor Swift tickets. It's sounds crazy. But yeah, it's disgusting. and it's it's You can't look at what they're doing and say, and and can come away with any other conclusion than that this is orchestrated to make life a living hell and to kill off large amounts of Gazans.
00:43:37
Speaker
They're starting to to die in droves from starvation. um I think... the ah The Associated Press, I think it was, said that they're the journalists that they have embedded in Gaza that they work with there, I mean, they might be native Gazans that they just correspond with or whatever, but they said that their journalists there are actively in danger of starvation right now.
00:44:02
Speaker
That's wild. and And when they do distribute food, they're off they're giving them ingredients. you know You're giving a ah bag of rice to a person with no clean water and no weight no fuel to cook it with.
00:44:19
Speaker
It's not even food. It's ah it's just an ingredient. The whole thing is so repugnant and disgusting and indefensible. it's it it's It is indefensible. what they're doing to these people.
00:44:31
Speaker
And I'm looking at this article reading about the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation. And it said, you know, ah is program director Johnny Moore stated that blah, blah, blah. And I just, I read it and I did a double take. And then I had to Google to see if it was the Johnny Moore that I thought it was.
00:44:51
Speaker
And dude, i I don't have any connection to Johnny Moore. I never liked him. Like there was nothing about him that I, held onto is like, well, at least there was Johnny. He was a nice guy or whatever, you know, like I don't have any of that.
00:45:03
Speaker
But yeah reading that, du I just I don't know, man, I just got like this just like this sinking feeling in my stomach. Because it's not that I don't think that those people would do like terrible, repugnant things, but it's just like you you can't... It's one thing to be like you know your parents or something actively just hiding from information about what's going on.
00:45:30
Speaker
Right, sure. Good people who are choosing to try to turn a blind eye to the conflict because they're protecting their preconceived notions about it, right? You can't do that when you're actively running ah ah an organized starvation campaign yeah against 2.1 million people.
00:45:49
Speaker
And it's just, I don't, I don't even know how to explain. said, I don't have any connection to the guy or anything, but it's just, God, dude, it's just, it's just so disgusting.
Faith, Politics, and Cultural Christianity
00:45:58
Speaker
I don't, I don't even know what to say about it.
00:46:01
Speaker
Even not having a connection to him. I, I, I, so I knew someone who knew him. Um, A girl that I grew up in church with for the most part as like a teenager.
00:46:15
Speaker
um She also went to Liberty. I knew her family um ah bit. like ah She ended up marrying one of the LEU band worship people, ah the one of the people who played that in Liberty's worship band.
00:46:35
Speaker
And he knew Johnny. Um, I don't think they were really like friends, but you can't be in the Liberty worship band and not have a direct connection to him. Right.
00:46:46
Speaker
Um, and I never, I never was shy about, I would, I would soften my rhetoric for sure. But I was always like, i don't know, something to me is weird about that guy.
00:47:01
Speaker
Um, And it was like, you know, he's a nice guy, but I never heard anyone go – be overly defensive for him or throw him under the bus. It was just kind of like, yeah, well, Johnny's kind of doing Johnny's thing. He's just doing his thing. He's – um But yeah, like, so just from what I have heard in response to things that I've said to people who know him, which means ultimately nothing.
00:47:31
Speaker
But when you sent that to me, that when you texted that to me, I was like, Oh, that big fucking surprise. Like, I mean, Liberty was up Israel's asshole anyway when we were there. I expect that that hasn't, that their public stance for whatever for whatever reason they would need one as an educational institution would most likely be that they're in support of Israel because of the ah pulled out of context Bible verse. Bible tells me so.
00:48:03
Speaker
and um But yeah, I was just like, that doesn't surprise me. I could see Johnny, i he just seemed like such like a, I'll make everything work the way i need it to.
00:48:15
Speaker
i wouldn't be surprised if he got that opportunity and he, because he's such a fucking ladder climber that he he looked at that and said, this is an opportunity for me to make lemonade out of these lemons.
00:48:31
Speaker
You know, like, oh things are so bad over there. Instead of saying, I don't, I can't have any part of it because now I'm complicit. He's probably like, if I can feed one starving person, then I have made a difference. Or if he's like, like, so no matter what the cost is, you can justify that. And that's how a lot of Christians function, right? Or maybe, maybe there's a gospel tie in.
00:48:54
Speaker
I can't imagine Johnny doing this without one. Well, i watched I watched an interview with him from a couple days ago with like Sky News or something like that. And...
00:49:05
Speaker
he is there to defend the administration and to obfuscate for israel that's it i mean like literally he barely has much to say about gossians or anything i mean they played clips of gossians like in despair talking about like they're starving to death and the aid sites won't or it won't stay open and they're being shot at and everything and he's just like you know i i'm not here to dismiss uh you know these people i don't i don't know these people i don't know who they are but But, you know, we are we are doing everything we can. We've delivered X number millions of meals and just whatever crap figures that they regurgitate, you know, for their PowerPoint presentation.
00:49:48
Speaker
Yeah. And makes sense. It's just I i mean, you also don't understand how you participate in something so blatantly evil.
00:50:00
Speaker
Yeah, i mean, it's there like it's funny because I feel like this is just phase two of people being like, eh, fuck Christianity. Because it's like phase one was the 2016 election, mass exodus, people being like, okay, I don't think this word means anything anymore.
00:50:16
Speaker
I watched these people do who told me X, Y, and Z my whole life to...
00:50:23
Speaker
co-sign the career of a guy who does everything that I would have been disowned for. And then it's like, so yeah, boom, crisis of faith for a lot of people.
00:50:35
Speaker
ah Like how can how can people who say they believe, you don't believe the same gospel, you don't believe the same Christianity if you can end up on opposite sides of Donald Trump.
00:50:47
Speaker
You just don't. And um I got tired of people trying to act like everything's under this umbrella of like, well, there could be differences in – sure, to an extent. But when you look – when you take such ah a stark right turn off the fucking path, you're just like, no, I'm i'm out. This is horseshit. This means nothing.
00:51:10
Speaker
the word itself is whatever you want it to mean. We're, we're done here. And that's how a lot of people felt. And now, now that the, I think there, it was a lot easier for a long time in Christianity to stand with Israel.
00:51:25
Speaker
You could, you could find a way to make that work without like, without it. You didn't have to have such a such a large cognitive dissonance, really. you could You could allow that to sit in the back burner and just be like, yeah, sure. Why not, I guess.
00:51:45
Speaker
It was easy to ignore. Yeah, and now that it's not, and you watch Christians co-sign this and and just play the same old tired hand, use the same old tired quotes, it's like, no, it's...
00:52:01
Speaker
there's nothing left there's nothing left of culture it's just a cultural christianity there's nothing there's there's no inherent meaning there's no expectation of where someone will land on anything based on what they say they believe they it's all up in the air and all of it just filters through the same rhetoric and it's it means nothing to me and it's so funny to like even like to want to have these conversations with people where you're like with, it with friends, family, people who are still, who still are Christian. And I just,
00:52:40
Speaker
like I'm not overly emphatic that I'm not. I don't really talk about it. I even will, you know, I can speak the language and use the rhetoric necessary to have conversations in a way that I think will be meaningful and speak to that person's core. So that's fine. I'll do that. um But I'm like, at this point, it's like, I feel like I don't want to be this person because these people,
00:53:09
Speaker
oh throughout my life in Christianity felt too burnt and jaded to listen to, but it kind of makes you want to be that person that feels like they need to tell people that they're not this anymore.
00:53:22
Speaker
Like, ah no, I need a clean break. I need to separate this because what this represents, I think is disgusting and evil and wrong and hideous. And I, and I don't want, I do not want anyone thinking that I'm anything like that, anything like them.
00:53:39
Speaker
And so I don't know. I, I don't, I, I try to, I usually try to take like the, not a middle road. i i'm ah I prefer the method of bridge building, um but I think I have some bridges in my life that I just need to fucking torch at this point. Like not saying I can't, I'm not, I'm not one to just cut people off. I'm really, I'm not going to, Oh, you think this way?
00:54:07
Speaker
guess I'm done. And then further entrench them in their shit ass belief system because another libtard cuck can't handle people who think differently. Meanwhile, they're the ones posting on Facebook crying about how persecuted they are and when people don't like what they say. It's such a cognitive dissonance there as well. But yeah, i like I feel like it's important for me now to find ways to just be like, we don't even have to have a conversation about it. I just need you to know that I think...
00:54:38
Speaker
and that I'm not this anymore. And that's directly related to the fact that this is representative as a whole of
Language, Identity, and Humor in Politics
00:54:47
Speaker
this rhetoric. And I know that some people go, no, we need to salvage it or that we need to whatever that you can, you can think, but I just think of it in broad terms and, and with the idea of language communicating, uh, words, communicating meeting, and that's the purpose of language. And it's,
00:55:04
Speaker
that it's It's just, there's no point. like there's no there There's actually no space left for shorthand words to communicate who you are.
00:55:15
Speaker
it's There's too much variance now, I feel like, where it's like, Democrat, left, leftist, socialist, communist. like There's there iss just no way to use a single word to represent yeah enough of you.
00:55:35
Speaker
All of them are communists. Right. Forgot that. That's an important piece. Anything, not only that, anything that Wright doesn't like has to be labeled communist. It's communist.
00:55:46
Speaker
That's so wild. Dude, wish I would love to hear them explain communism. I always want to, I just want to ask that. Like, can you just kind of give me. Oh, what do you mean by that? That's a. Well,
00:55:58
Speaker
ah go government controls everything. and They're a great jumpsuit and live in a concrete box. That's communism. They take your, to take your wages and you, you have to boil a potato once a week.
00:56:13
Speaker
That's it it's all you eat. to pay They take, you have to pay really high taxes. um I, what do you mean by that is one of the most powerful phrases in the human language right now.
00:56:27
Speaker
That's my go-to. Oh, and interesting. What do you mean by that? And they're like, huh? No one's ever asked follow-up questions before. White supremacist. You know?
00:56:40
Speaker
God. So, I don't know. It's a cartoon country. And it it's like, on one hand, it's like really just depressing and and it's easy to like fall into despair. But then on the other hand, like, it's also really funny. And I think at the end of the day, like, the stuff around the Epstein thing, like...
00:57:00
Speaker
It's mostly just funny at this point, like just watching people's like rhetoric change and having to go out there and toe the party line, you know, and some of the other ones are funny, too, like even stuff around Gaza. Like, I don't know.
00:57:16
Speaker
Did you see the story this week about ah the Israelis shelled a Catholic church? I didn't. So yeah, the IDF bombed ah ah like the only Catholic church left in Gaza.
00:57:31
Speaker
Oh, you don't say. They killed a few people doing it too. And I think at first thought said that it was Hamas that actually bombed it or something.
00:57:42
Speaker
I think anyways. and then I can't believe they're not even tired of saying that yet. and then they It was like, well, it was a it was a stray round from a tank. It wasn't on purpose.
00:57:54
Speaker
We're conducting an investigation. Like how? I don't know how tanks work. I'm not a tank guy. I just. A stray around like usually what you're shooting at with a tank is. i don't know.
00:58:11
Speaker
Maybe not the easy. i can't imagine it being easy to miss with what they're doing. Maybe the maybe the gunner just like sneezed and accidentally like twitched and pulled the trigger. You know, while that pointed at the Catholic Church.
00:58:24
Speaker
It gets a little harder to aim when you're masturbating at vigorously while driving a tank.
00:58:32
Speaker
So... So... It's almost universally, like, panned as, like, this is a terrible thing. Like, why would they do this? We need the answers on why they've, like, killed these, you know, Christians. Because those are real people.
00:58:45
Speaker
You know? Dude, but that... good Can I sidebar?
Social Media Misinformation and Christian Empathy
00:58:50
Speaker
or you Give me just a second because yeah this goes, I think, right where you're going. So ah the there's ah there's a big uproar over it, right?
00:59:00
Speaker
um Joel Berry, who is the founder of the Babylon Bee. Very cool guy. Lots of good takes. Yeah, he's hilarious. He's so funny that he makes people pay him to be funny.
00:59:15
Speaker
Yeah. he's ah You pay him and he tells you if what you submitted is funny. So he posts he tweets, this won't be easy for people to hear, but there are only about 200 professed Catholics still living in Gaza and they all support Hamas.
00:59:32
Speaker
No way. Dude, it has 3.3 thousand likes. It has thousand comments. Yeah, he got ratioed like a bitch. Oh, dude, he's just getting brutalized. He's like, he fought his follow-up statement, true Christian faith still exists in Gaza, but it's all underground.
00:59:51
Speaker
Anyone allowed by Hamas to practice openly is allowed to do so only because they aid and support the terror regime. That's so wild. Dude, it's just insanely incompetent take to like, why would you even know that? Like, oh, what information is he privileged to that allows him to make such baseless claims?
01:00:11
Speaker
Oh, it's just. dude He's always been a raging twat. Every interview he's done, he's not he's not funny. No, he's not interesting. You you don't even another A.I. chatbot like these people, dude, the people who live in this lane.
01:00:28
Speaker
They're going to give you like one of three answers to every topic. the the Yeah. Like there's there's a select group of them that are so like blindly supportive of Israel that like it's hard to look at it as any other ways other than just like, well, you're clearly you're on the payroll.
01:00:45
Speaker
Yeah. Douglas Murray, dude, go Douglas Murray, kill yourself. I don't need you anymore. Just get, just, just drive off a cliff, just park in your garage, shut the door and leave your car running. Like enough of you. We're done talking about you.
01:01:04
Speaker
But yeah, it's just it's funny to to scroll through the comments here, though, and just see like people destroying him. And he's like trying to he's responded to a lot of them with just like lame things. Like somebody says, ah we've been at war for 1400 years. hamat Hamas executes Catholics. But you knew you already knew that.
01:01:23
Speaker
He responds, which is why thousands of Catholics escaped Gaza after Hamas took over. The few hundred remaining support Hamas. That's so crazy. to the Even the assumption that anyone who doesn't flee a country because they're they are not because of persecution means that you just actively support and a violent regime is insane.
01:01:48
Speaker
i i Does this guy even think Catholics are Christians? He seems like a Catholics aren't real Christians guy. Probably not. They don't think anybody that is on the other side of anything there is is a real person. Like, that's just what it comes to. It's just like a level of dehumanization that if you're not in the club, you can't make sense of.
01:02:08
Speaker
Like, it's just a bull bar approach. Yeah. Oh, they like Hamas. Anyone who disagrees with me likes Hamas. Anyone who doesn't think that someone should be an entire people group should be bombed and murdered.
01:02:21
Speaker
Yeah. It likes Hamas. It's like, dude, find these people. That's what I'm saying, dude. Like this whole like, there's no new talking points. They just, they find, they have the same like scapegoat mechanisms that they use for everything. And it's so fucking played out. You just, it's a, they're broken record, dude.
01:02:43
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And then the thing that's the most bullshit is there isn't anybody on the left actually like ah maybe there's one or two, three max, but like there's, there's nobody like, there's a lot of public outcry, but there's like the left is so weak.
01:03:03
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I mean, the democratic party is just embarrassing. Like it's bad. They're so fucking embarrassing. They have no balls whatsoever.
01:03:16
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There's a few like bright spots. You're not enough to do anything. No. But I mean, I think once people see... Some of these people that are actually like speaking out are going to gain a lot of traction. and Yeah, yeah, All of these people are opportunists. Until they get soon hide bar are sidelined at the next election because everybody fucking finds a way to rig shit.
01:03:41
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Yeah. It's... We'll see, but I think we're reaching... like The Israel discourse is reaching like such a level of political map unpopular opinion that i don't it's going to flip. yeah People are done with this. I went grocery shopping today, and I didn't get much.
01:04:04
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I barely got anything. I've got enough shit to make tacos tonight. My daughter's been asking for tacos, so I got... enough shit for that. A couple of other things I need. Cause you know, when you move, you're like, Oh, I don't have anything. yeah I'm talking like, I'm talking bread, sour cream, uh, a bag of rice.
01:04:27
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And I'm like, I'm out almost 60 bucks by the time I'm done shopping. And I barely bought anything. I'm like, I, so I just saw a stat that basically in the last four, like in the last five years in 2020, like,
01:04:39
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like you Since 2020, your buying power has been reduced by 25%. Dude, so i was doing some like research for a presentation, and you know it's all automotive stuff, but the average price of an automotive like service visit, like just taking it in for anything, an oil change or repair or whatever, right it it rose by from to That's crazy.
01:05:12
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It's crazy. yeah Yeah. So we're just like, and so that to sit here and be like, it cost me fifty almost 60 bucks to get a few things for dinner and like sandwiches this week.
01:05:24
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And meanwhile, we're just giving billions to the fucking IDF to murder people for fun. And it's like, it makes you hate this place. Yeah. It's like,
01:05:36
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It makes you hate your fucking country. And the right... There's such fucking babies about how you're supposed to feel about your country that like... If you pretend, you have to pretend to like it. They hate half the country.
01:05:49
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They do. And you have to pretend to like it ah just to be able to even have a conversation with them. You're like, no, I criticize it because I love it. You're like, no, I criticize it because it's a fucking joke and we fucking sold this shit to the highest bidder and we don't have a country left.
01:06:07
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And then it's like, and they'll say that they talk about the deep state. That's the, that's the divide, right? They'll talk about the deep state. Like it's all controlled by some nefarious cabal.
01:06:18
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But they love it. They love it so much. And then when it comes when you criticize it, they're like, they talk about how free we are. And it's like on one side, all they talk about is their freedoms and it's the greatest country on earth. And then the other side, it's like a dark and nefarious cabal runs everything and they've stolen all your liberties and you need to buy guns to defend yourself in the upcoming war.
01:06:39
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It's like you live in two different realities at the same time. You should be fucking institutionalized for schizophrenia. Yeah. Yeah. Ain't nobody going to make you use the women's bathroom. This is the least, I feel like this is the least funny we've been in.
01:06:53
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I'm not, yeah it's I don't even have jokes, dude. I'm just fucking mad about shit right now. I got nothing to joke about. I, let me sidebar too, uh, before we just keep going on the same rants.
01:07:05
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Um, the, the Texas, uh, floods, right? Yeah. The, the, the horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible. Um, But I thought of them when you mentioned um ah the Babylon Bee dude and his whole like, oh, what is it?
01:07:27
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Or what did you say? you Like people that Christians don't care about stuff until it happens to Christians. Yeah. And were the girls at that campground? ah Did they support Hamas?
01:07:38
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yeah Is that where this is going? No, they didn't. they But it was a Christian camp is all. Yeah. And that every single time I hear a Christian just plug that into the conversation, it actually makes me want to fucking kill myself.
01:07:53
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These were good kids. It's like, did you hear what happened to that camp? It was a Christian camp too. Yeah. Okay. Like, it's like they need to qualify that it's like, that makes it worse. Yeah. It's worse because God turned his
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01:08:08
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back on them. I've seen God. I mean, ive haven't you seen God part the red fucking sea? I mean, you're so convinced that God can steer trouble away from Christians who pray hard enough.
01:08:19
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And it's like, and that's another divide where it's like, it it It what you what happened is worse to you because it was a Christian camp.
01:08:30
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But like, why didn't I mean, God's not there. God's not doing anything to stop it. Like, and I don't want to be that Reddit atheist about it. Right. I'm not trying to be. there Yeah, I'm just saying like.
01:08:41
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that ah it's just that divide. It's like, it's worse because it happened to Christians. It's like, it's worse based on the way that you believe in the way that you talk about everything else.
01:08:53
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It should be worse for you that it happened to Christians. You know what I mean? Like, do you know, like the difference there to me is, is annoying. ah Like, or like if you're not a Christian, you have less an inherent and value. It's like,
01:09:09
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Oh, they they were it it just makes it... I hear you, man. i I find was thinking this today, actually. kind of find myself, like, just when you when you look at the the horror of what's happening in certain parts of the world. I mean, it's the oldest thing in the book, you know, like, the why does God let bad things happen to good people and good things happen to bad people? And it's like, it's pretty...
01:09:37
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lame to get stuck in the mud on stuff like that. But it's... Dude, you almost can't help it at times, though. Like, God, where If there is like, where is all where is he in all this Like, where is yeah yeah it almost I almost like i catch myself almost wanting it to like wanting to think that there is a God just to think that like there might be punishment for these people coming at some. Yeah, dude.
01:10:05
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You know, that's because it doesn't feel like it right now. And I think there's a very legitimate way. My frustration is with people who play the God, they overplay the God card, right? Like, I think there's a lot of wonderful expressions of Christianity that ah that have a theology that allows for this lack of understanding.
01:10:31
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Because we all live in the same world, believe in God, don't believe in God. We still, like, you you're... the a thing but Bad things happening with or without God doesn't it doesn't change the fact that like we still have to deal with that. i think you can I think there's plenty of Christian theologies that work in that space. It doesn't work for me, but it it works, and I'm not mad at it.
01:10:54
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It's when people overplay the God card where like God's involved in every... I mean, if God can tell you to say homes instead of home... what Exactly. It's like, what? do we oh why He's either an impartial non-entity that is letting everything here play out the way it does on its own, you know, or worse, he is selectively involving himself in things. and Yeah, for sure. And it you you have to wonder like what his priority set is at this point.
01:11:27
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And I think what I – the thing that I'm noticing is like I know someone who works at like – they do this thing with their church and it's a good thing. I'm not going dog on this thing at all. It's ah it's just a ah ministry in the city where people bring clothes to an area. They set them up and they give them away to homeless people. Like homeless people need clothes and they give them – and it's not one of those like – Here's some shitty used hand-me-downs. It's a lot of nice things like new or new boots for the winter. Like what they're doing is good.
01:12:02
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And then I just feel sad sometimes because in the conversations that I'll have about it with the, like the evangelicals who are involved is like it the the whole podcast,
01:12:16
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purpose is so that they know Jesus or ah like, and and one of them died. One of these people, i don't know if I've shared this story. um I had this conversation months and months ago, but it was like one of the, one of the homeless people came and they asked where their girlfriend was.
01:12:37
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And the kid was like, Oh, like she, she died a couple months ago. And, And then immediately the conversation turned into, you know, like and then he said that like she she was a Christian and that like, you know, people at we had like people had shared the gospel with then and they accepted Christ. So like, hopefully that like, and I felt so like sad by the conversation because because outside of
01:13:10
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You couldn't just be sad. You couldn't just experience that sadness and be sad for that person for sadness sake.
01:13:21
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Experience a deep human emotion. without it being co-opted by this fear that they hopefully maybe accepted Christ before that. Like your ability to empathize, your ability to be with someone and feel their emotions and share their emotions and the,
01:13:42
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And it's totally robbed of you when you live in this evangelical sphere that tells you that as soon as you hear about someone's death, you have to skip over letting that impact you and go immediately to, I need to verify for my own peace of mind that they were saved.
01:13:58
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right Because if they weren't, now I have to deal with that. It becomes about you. You're sad because they didn't accept the gospel or you feel guilt that you didn't share it with them. or you like it it's It strips you of the human experience. and It's frustrating But mostly, i just making that connection during that conversation was just a fucking bummer.
01:14:26
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Yeah. Just like this episode.
01:14:31
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It's a little rough, isn't it?
01:14:35
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I don't know, man. it's It's, I think... what's annoying about it is that I don't think you, I don't think you can stay in that mindset if you're, if you're examining things at all.
01:14:50
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Like if you're actually having a conversation about it, like I think that without just blindly, like, you know, giving yourself over to the routine of like, well, you know,
01:15:02
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Let's hope she was saved. She asked Christ to be her savior before she died of an overdose or whatever. You know like you can't really be thinking clear. like you're You're not spending any more time reflecting on that or else you're going to have to ask yourself, like...
01:15:20
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why am I asking this? What's the point of this? Like this guy just told me that his friend died. Why am I trying to weasel this information out of him that he like, is this, daily this is a gross thing to ask some who's experienced like loss like this.
01:15:38
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And who is it for? It's you can't change it now. Right. If it wasn't, if I wasn't, if the answer I want, isn't there, like there's no changing it. So like, Why not just, you know, quote unquote, give it over to God and and let let it be? just right you know And you can never know. I went through that when my grandfather died. My mom would try to witness to him before he died. And then he did. And my grandfather was not a Christian.
01:16:03
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He didn't care. I don't think he even at the end of his life, he wasn't like, oh, shit, maybe I will just in case. I think he didn't. He lost his son, my mom's younger brother, when he was a kid.
01:16:16
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his son was 11 years old to an asthma attack. And my mom always says that that was the moment things changed. They used to go to mass all the time.
01:16:27
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He bought a boat and they spent Sundays on the ocean. Like that changed his life in such a seriously deep way. And you know, my mom would talk about him.
01:16:41
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Oh, he's angry with God. He says, and I'm like, In hindsight, I go, maybe he was angry. with Maybe he was angry with God. Maybe he always believed in God and stayed angry with him.
01:16:52
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Maybe he stopped believing in general. Maybe he was angry that he lost his son, but it's not directed towards God. I don't know. I just don't have any confidence that he...
01:17:05
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re-accepted Christ or accepted Christ as his savior before he died. and ah But I would ask my mom about that. and i would And that was about me. ah and um So I'm asking her, she i was like she and she's telling me, well, I would tell him, and he seemed like receptive, I think, I hope.
01:17:22
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And my mom was good. My mom's always been good at handling these things in conversations like this, given where she's coming from. And it's like, no false assurances.
01:17:33
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It was just Well, I hope he did i hope so. and But I don't know and we'll I'll never know. And it's like, yeah, that yeah you'll never know. so And that's something.
01:17:47
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And the irony is like in Christianity, we all heard the debates on Liberty Hallways and and on the fucking boss. it's like, once saved, always saved? Or can you lose your salvation? And you're like...
01:18:01
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Even having that conversation means if all of that's true, no one knows shit. Someone, once someone fucking takes their final dirt nap, it's, it's just done. And no one will ever know. And no one can know. And any assurance that you're trying to get is about you.
01:18:16
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It's about you. and for your own comfort or closure. And that, that's a human thing to want some sort of closure, right? Yeah. If maybe you're not religious and you just want to know if they forgave you, well, you'll never know.
01:18:29
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So now you're going to create stories that support what you need to be true or you're likely to. So that's also one thing though, when it's, You know, like your grandpa or somebody that you were actually close. you're You're personally invested in this person. You know, it's a different thing to like overhear something about a person you barely knew and be like, well, wait a second.
01:18:55
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Did they accept Christ? Right. You know? Right. And I don't think that was like the question, but I think the person who was there knowing why those, why that church group was there was like, oh yeah, she said, you know, her faith was really important to her. Like that stuff you say to religious people to, to get them off your back and it works.
01:19:20
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I mean, we're being hard on them. for sure. But it is, yeah, it's something, it's something worth thinking about. Yeah. little hard, a little harsh tonight.
01:19:30
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I'm at whatever. This is, I, I, this works for me. I needed it. Uh, this, all this shit's been on my mind for a while. I'm pretty, I'm just, i am, I'm genuinely like so fucking fed up with where things are at. And so much of it does tie back into our quote unquote Christian nation that it's like,
01:19:52
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It is exhausting and it it does well up feelings of disdain at times. And I don't want to stay in that space. I don't want to, it's important to me to like work within, you know, I have so many people in my life that are,
01:20:10
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that are still evangelical Christians. And i I do love them. And I think they're good people, despite their bad beliefs about certain things. And I think they're better than their beliefs. I think they say things because they think they're supposed to.
01:20:24
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and And then I see the way they live their lives and it doesn't match up. I wish it would impact their vote a little bit more, but I do think they're good people and when it comes down to it. So Yeah, maybe a little harsh, but that's how I feel. President, he's got his feet stuck in the mud on this Epstein thing, but we wish him well.
01:20:42
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We wish him well.
01:20:49
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All right, folks. We're sorry if we ah when he just ranted about horrible things this whole time. It's just... You've got to get it off your chest here and there.
01:21:02
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so Every once in a while. We hope you ah enjoyed our episode with Dan Koch. And if you haven't listened to our guest appearance on You Have Permission, Dan Koch's podcast, go check that out because that was fun thing to do. That was so much fun. it's so It was so fun to be on a podcast again.
01:21:23
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Someone else's. When someone else is to steer their ship, like having a guest on, you're like you're getting ready for them to stop talking and making sure you have something to ask. and unless conversation flows, we've had plenty of guests where it you just kind of fuck around and have a good time.
01:21:38
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But when you're actually interviewing someone, you're like, all right, I got to make sure stay point, have good questions, keep a good conversation to be on a podcast where you just get to sit back and relax. And if,
01:21:53
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someone runs out stuff to say, that's on them. It doesn't look shitty for you. You're just, it's great. Yeah. It's so relaxing to be on a podcast. It's nice to take a break from asking yourself questions about yourself and let somebody else do it.
01:22:07
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It's like Toby Keith said, I want to talk about me.
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Anyways. You actually know that song. Good for you. I want to talk about me.
01:22:25
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all right, folks. Thanks for listening. And we will see you next time.