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Ep. 244 – Pastor David Taylor Rebukes the Spirit of Stinginess
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This week we’re discussing the assassination of Charlie Kirk and the recent raid on several compounds of the Kingdom of God International church. Pastor David Taylor and his right hand, Michelle Brannon, are facing serious criminal penalties for essentially running a forced labor cult centered around call centers where his followers were forced to solicit donations or face serious consequences. This guy is a scumbag, and he’s probably going to jail for a very long time. Good riddance!
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Authoritarianism in Call Centers
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If a call center worker or armor bearer does not fulfill Taylor's goals or disobeys an order, that individual is punished. Punishment includes humiliation, sleep deprivation, forced quote-unquote repentance, additional work, food restrictions, physical assaults, and threats of divine judgment in the form of sickness, accidents, death, and eternal damnation.
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They refer to orgasms as repentance. I think that's what we can infer there, yeah. Taylor regularly claims yeah if you don't deliver, if you're an armor baron, you don't deliver like his lady to him on time, he forces you to sit on the Sivian on an empty stomach.
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The what? It's like a vibrating sawhorse. Oh.
Introduction and Current Events Discussion
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Hello and welcome to Grown Up Christian. I'm Casey. I'm Sam. And boy, what a week. um Really? Yeah, there's a lot going on. Oh, yeah. September 11th anniversary.
00:01:23
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Right. You usually spend an entire week celebrating your lack of forgetting. With as many wild things as are going on in the news and stuff, I thought, what what do you think about maybe starting with a prayer?
00:01:36
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i It's been a minute. ah But I think the world could use a lot more thoughts and prayers right now. so Well, I know just the man to lead us. What's downside, really?
00:01:49
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ah It can't hurt. I know some of you in the audience aren't really religious anymore, and I get that. But like think of it almost as like a meditative exercise. it's ah It's not a prayer.
Critiquing Alex Jones' Prayer
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It's a mantra. Whatever makes it more digestible for you. Yeah, do some breathing exercises during it.
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Everybody just pause for a second. Heads are bowed. Eyes are closed. Here we go. There is no more pleasure. There is no more pain. There is no more art. There is no more culture. There is only war.
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And I commit myself to total war against Satan. And I ask God to lead God and direct me and commit me to his arms and to component a complete vessel of warfare against this operation. And I repent for all my sins. And I ask now before everyone that you lift me up to be an absolute battering ram against the enemy in God's will.
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the of Jesus Christ, the son of God, amen.
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That's pretty good.
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Dude, I have so many good Alex Jones clips. Just for that too lazy to try video, there's so much good stuff in there. He is absolutely losing his mind right now. And it's like, it's it's a small bright spot in the new cycle. That's recent.
00:03:01
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That's a recent prayer of his. Oh yeah, that's like last week. Nice. I always forget like where he is ah in regard to his Christian faith. You know? ah Close.
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Yeah, I guess it's really personal for him. I really appreciate the, like, he he prayed that prayer like it was a list of symptoms at the end of, like, an Allegra commercial.
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but bit The whole time he's saying it, his eyes are like rolled back in his head and he's bald now. So he's beet red. He looks like a like a ladybug carapace.
00:03:43
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Yeah. and And he's just ah he's committed. i mean, that's part of the altar of God. Total resistance against every form of charity. I get some high demand.
00:03:59
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Dude, he missed his calling in ah and a metal band. And he also, i think I think he believes that prayers only count if you get them all out in one breath. I think there might be something to that, yeah. it's like It's like they kind of like going into the bridge. and Yeah, like the tunnel style. Yeah, that's tunnel.
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He's like the little fat guy in the Ginyu Force Dragon Ball Z. He has to hold his breath to stop time or whatever. It's kind of Alex Jones.
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this was This was my favorite clip. we got Okay, one more. one more Okay. this is ah He's going through it right now. I'm not arrogant. I'm on a power trip. I'm in a total commitment against evil.
00:04:41
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I'm pouring out my guts, my soul, my family, everything I've got committed to this, and i will not have pieces of fucking shit. Lie above me and say I'm not true.
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Ha ha ha. ah yeah Dude, he talks like he wants to be the pastor of a alt-right black church. yeah
00:05:09
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He's got that Southern gospel flow for sure. Yeah. and Maybe what you attribute his success to. It's a very good fundraiser. And we're going to talk about another very good fundraiser here in a little bit.
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um But first, I suppose we should address the...
Reactions to Charlie Kirk's Assassination
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the elephant in the room. yeah Yesterday, i assume you'll be listening to this on Friday. So yesterday, ah conservative, firebrand, Trump ally, whatever you want to call him, Charlie Kirk was assassinated at a Utah campus event.
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And ah so before I knew what was happening, Somebody forwarded the video. like ah There's a close-up video, like a cell phone video.
00:05:55
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That's about 10 yards from him. and I clicked on it, not knowing what It was like yes it was carlot Charlie Kirkshot or whatever. and Dude, I think think that video is in there forever.
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like Yeah, that's that's like ah that's a very clear before and after marker for for your... ah There's before you saw that video and after you saw that video.
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It's horrific. i mean and I managed to avoid A couple people at work asked me today if I saw it. um I'm not on Twitter, ah so like X. X is the place where you will just scroll on past that like it's someone cooking a meatloaf. It's just like it's nothing. like X is such a weird place.
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um I don't want to see it. I did hear, though... that it is like whenever you watch movies and people like get shot in the neck and bleed out and it goes everywhere and it's crazy.
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yeah We watch people get killed in movies countless times, but
Conspiracy Theories on Kirk's Death
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you always go, I wonder how close to reality that is. And then, um, I was listening to, It was, excuse me, Kyle Kalinsky's show.
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um And he mentioned how it's like, it's like, holy shit. Like out of all those movies you see, like it's apparently Hollywood just underplays how horrific it actually is. Like he, he was genuinely shocked by the level of blood.
00:07:28
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It's bad. Like it was, it was a lot of blood immediately. And um I think part of it, two So they found the gun today. Apparently they found it. Allegedly. howl Allegedly in like a wooded area.
00:07:45
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But he he was shot with a 30-06 bolt action like deer rifle. Yeah. And it's like 100 yards.
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Yeah. Yeah. And it's it's interesting reading the comments. on stuff which you just shouldn't do because you don't even know what percentage is bots and stuff like that. But like, you know, there's a lot of people who weren't like gun aficionados asking like, that's a long ways, right? Like it that's a pretty long shot. And it's like all these douches in the comments are like, it's actually it's very it's a pretty easy shot. You could even make that with like iron sights. It's no big deal. And it's like, well, I don't know. I mean, I've done it like I've shot a deer from that far.
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but but I didn't hit it where I wanted to. I mean, it's not, I don't think that's an easy shot at all. I mean, I'm not a particularly good shot, but like there's something, you know, like people call it like buck fever where you've got a, you know, you've got a deer in front of you and you're like lining up your sights and you get like, you get the shakes, you know, because you're trying to do it right. And I can't imagine like,
00:08:57
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the pressure, I mean, a per I would guess that this person's a psychopath that shot him, but like, or a professional or a profession. Well, that's kind of what everybody's.
00:09:11
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Yeah. That's, that's the buzz for sure. There's a lot of conspiracy theories going on and I've jumped back and forth between several. You start trying to like get ahead of it too, in your own brain. You're like, all right,
00:09:22
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What could this be? Like you, and no matter what you jump to, there's already like a million people who have already started that conversation on the internet. But yeah, it, I, my first thought was like, uh, why this guy?
00:09:37
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Like, I know he's got political and valid question, but why? Like, that's So like the conspiracy brain, right? And I was never, when this thing started, Casey, you were the conspiracy theorist and I was the quote unquote rationalist in that regard.
00:09:54
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My oh my how things have shifted. I've infected you. I it's it's I and of course as all conspiracy theories end up they're all to a degree born out of an incredible distrust for the powers that be right. So like there are levels of conspiracy that I would always be open to.
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But now I don't think anything can happen without like you go, oh, was the heat from the Epstein files getting a little too hot? We needed a little distraction. But then you go, well, this was probably planned out for a little bit.
00:10:31
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Can't be that last minute, but maybe, you know, with a good enough like kill for a gun for hire. Yeah. And then you're, so it's like, maybe it's to take some heat off. Cause, but then you hear like the, the thing about the pro LGBTQ, whatever stuff written on the bullets. And Trump immediately was like, the far left has gone too far. And you're like,
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Nothing before they even found the guy. It's like this. A lot of people doing that. It's going nuts. And there's a really good chance it's a far left lunatic. There's also when it comes to lunacy, which knows no ends in this outside of any sort of rationality, like it could easily be.
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Like it could have been a far right nut job who then wants to like plant that those bullets and then like spark some whatever the fuck fallout is going to come from this. Like I feel like the possibilities are endless, but I know for sure that despite all of those questions, all of my concerns that I know we will get to the bottom of this and I can just have faith knowing that Kash Patel is the man leading the charge.
Skepticism Towards Government Narratives
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He's good at investigating because his eyes are so close together.
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It's because like, as soon as the shot went off, there was a guy, there was that, they arrested the first guy who was like, I did it. I did it. And then immediately like following, there was another arrest of a kid who was walking around with a pellet gun.
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And then you just, your, my mind is just like, oh yeah, these are. So that was a pellet gun. That one that was leaned against the front of the car. Yeah. And it just, all of this kind of just screams to me, like they were there to buy time for the the shooter to get away.
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I didn't. That's some, yeah. I mean, that's the tip. I think I'm very susceptible to conspiracy theories on this because like, i want really badly for it to not be some like LGBTQ activist.
00:12:36
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Right now. That would be great if it was. It's just going to do, it's going to be so bad. And, I really feel like the just gross, blatant like gloating over it.
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The people that like, you know rest in peace, you Nazi scumbag. like Commenting that on things. It's just feeding like the the paranoia about and and It's at a time when like you know we just we had that that school shooting the other day with the trans person that It's clearly unwell. Like I just delving into like some of the stuff that I have found out about that person. I mean, the i don't.
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That's that's the thing with these is that a lot of times, like it's very easy to broad brush paint motives onto people. And its there's it's not that there's not like an element of truth to it. But a lot of times it's like there's.
00:13:33
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There's a lot more going on than just like this person reads too many like Hassan Piker tweets or whatever. yeah Right, right. Yeah, I think where... i think the other part of... like There's that side of it, right? The like rest in peace, motherfucker kind of stuff.
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um And then the other side of it, which I'm already getting tired... I'm already tired of it. I'm already tired of just that listening to the same words in strung together differently ah regarding the...
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ah the The people who are like, whoa well, you know, i know I disagreed with him on many things, but there is no time like this's this. There's no excuse for political violence.
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and And then like, okay, even ah ah i people I like and to listen to and learn from and I feel like they keep me well informed. Breaking points, Crystal and Sagar and like their melancholy approach to like, you know, he's actually a nice guy. Like behind like I've known him. I've talked to him a lot. Like,
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I feel like there's like ah people who are kind of going in a direction like, and it's great. Yeah. There's no excuse for political violence until there is at some point, everyone has a line, right? I have to believe that like, you know, Charlie Kirk wasn't Hitler, but at some point people change their mind on when political violence becomes probably necessary or at least rational and reasonable and ah my general ah ah fear of it is that it does this, right? it
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If whoever did it for whatever reason, it's going, it almost always makes everything worse. So that's my problem with it. But the whole like, well, you know, like it's like, I don't know. I feel like trying to like just rationalize this guy as someone who had different opinions and like that there's no excuse for killing someone just because they're, it's like, that is true. But also like,
00:15:34
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It does feel like there in some areas of the the news and the internet, it's like, oh, now he's dead, so we can't say too many super shitty things about him.
00:15:45
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And it's like, no, say whatever the fuck you want about this guy. He's a dirtbag. He sucked. I mean, he sucked back before he was like a ah nationally known podcast or whatever he is, you know, like back when it was during the ah like in the Falkirk Center days and stuff like he sucked back then.
00:16:03
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He's a guy with bad takes, but he's also a guy who has like inserted himself into the front of the culture war and is just like inflamed, you know, those wounds across the country wherever possible.
00:16:18
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I think to me, though, like it's like, yeah, OK, I hear all the. you know, like political violence at some point, because is this where, is this the place to start? Like, is this really what it's, I mean, right I can think of so many better reasons to like justify doing something awful, you know, I mean that, and that's the thing, that's, what's
American Political Violence: Justifications and Timing
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so annoying sometimes about American politics is like, dude, it we have such this, like, we just have this cushy existence
00:16:48
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that's really built off the backs of everywhere else in the, in the world, you know? yeah yeah And we like needlessly interfere with other countries and we cause death and destruction and stuff like that. You know, I mean, there's, there's probably close to,
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200 or a quarter of a million people dead in Gaza. And like, but, but, you know, Charlie Kirk says ugly things about gay people and, you know, makes like racist arguments or whatever.
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Like, this is what we're, this is what we're shooting somebody over. It's just, I don't know. I just don't, it's just frustrating to read those is like milquetoast opinion. I'm with you. I'm, I'm tired of hearing about like, everybody's like, you know, uh,
00:17:30
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Google review statements about how like whatever he was a nice guy and stuff at the end of the day, I think he was a guy who talked. And it's insane that like this is the person that you're going to that you're choosing to like, you know, draw that violent line against and stuff.
00:17:47
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I feel like whoever did this is a psychopath. I I'm I'm not. ready to just buy whatever motive they assigned to them or whatever motive is conveniently placed upon them, like upon finding their Facebook page or whatever else.
00:18:02
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Um, I'm also sick of like the dude, the the amount of comments from people who, who don't, you know, who are like anti Charlie Kirk justifiably. So, right. They're not wrong.
00:18:16
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But like the number of comments where people have just copied and pasted the same like crappy quote from him. Like oh you go through any comment section and they're like, Charlie Kirk said that, you know, a certain number of gun deaths is justifiable to maintain the second amendment.
00:18:32
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And then he gets shot with it, with a deer rifle. Like it's not an AR 15. It's not a pistol that somebody bought like from an unregulated vendor. It's a deer rifle. Nobody's advocating getting rid of deer rifles. Like what is there? What is this powerful point that you're making? I mean, yeah, it's ah it's a crappy thing to say.
00:18:49
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I'll tell you what, that's at least an honest take on the second amendment. There's a cost to having a second amendment. You can pretend that there's not, but like if you're advocating for that and you think it should be, and I'm, I'm, I'm pro second amendment to an extent, you know, but it does come at a cost. You are going to have shootings and you are going to have like accidental deaths. You're going to have higher suicide rates because of access to guns. Like there's a price.
00:19:17
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And like, he was at least somewhat honest about the price of that thing, said it in a crappy way, And I get people not agreeing with that, but I just, I'm just tired of like the, the plug and play political arguments and stuff that people use in all of these situations.
00:19:35
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And honestly, like what's there to say, what is there to say anymore about this guy? Like he sucked. He shouldn't have died this way. It's a really ugly, horrific way to go.
00:19:46
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He's got two little kids that are going to grow up not knowing their dad. Now it's, it sucks. It's, And you're like snarky liberal, like, I guess you got what was coming to you, Charlie. Like, and just shut up.
00:19:59
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just it sucks i don't know and it sucks a just as bad and worse on the other side because i scrolled through twitter too and i saw like a whole bunch of right wingers that were like oh well i guess now it's war right shut up you fat midwestern doofus like you're not doing anything there is no situation in which you haul out like youre your your 500 ar-15 like go to the front line.
00:20:26
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Shut up. Just dude, the it's the, this is the, this place has the dumbest discourse in the world. And I'm just, it's not a, that's cause it's not regulated by the government, Casey. You know, that's the problem.
00:20:41
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Not like a great place like the UK where like you get in jail for a joke or something. We need a, we just need to get Reddit moderators on all, on all platforms.
00:20:53
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um But I think i need to unplug from it. i've I've consumed too much of it and I yeah a boiling i need to step away from it. That's that's really the problem.
00:21:04
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It is starting to impact my because I mean, I talk regularly about how fucking cooked we are as a country. Like I've talked about being at the point of no return. I spend too much time focusing on it. It actually does impact my mental health.
00:21:19
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And there are days where I drive home and I don't have anything playing. And I'm like, I'm driving through the, like it's farms and woods to get to my house. It's really pretty out where I live. And I'm like, oh, if I didn't have immediate, this, this, yeah, I would go to the grocery store and be like, huh, prices went up.
00:21:39
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I would see that like, you know, the cost of electricity per kilowatt rose, but like, In general, like I just look around and I go this would just be my life.
00:21:52
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like I go, oh, I like where I live. Oh, I enjoy my backyard. like i am re and I know this isn't the case for everybody, but it is the case for a lot of people, even for people who are ah worse off than myself, where you're just like, we get accustomed to life.
00:22:13
Speaker
And that's the only life I mean, if maybe you've if you went from like having a lot to nothing and then you have to live the rest of your life knowing of what you used to have and not be able to make it back there. Socks. That sucks. I can't imagine how depressing and hard and difficult that is. um But like in general, like even my friends are like, yeah, I
Media Consumption and Mental Health
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Speaker
don't really have much of a savings. I pay my rent. I pay my cars. I pay i go spend my groceries, but they have their place and they're like.
00:22:35
Speaker
If you're not constantly being told whose fault it is and why it's happening, it actually doesn't bother you as much. If you have enough. I'm not, this is for the people who have enough. If you have enough. Yeah.
00:22:46
Speaker
And, um, and I know that like listening to it all day and like finding the reason and trying to point it like, yeah, let's, I listened to a ah ah video from the lever today and it was like about, it was kind of about this, like, Oh, like, yeah,
00:23:02
Speaker
You know, I disagree with him a little bit because it was like, look, all these talk, all these people just talking about the shit. Like, it's just the people talking. Like, it's my job to talk. You can get talk, talk, talk from whoever you want, whenever you want.
00:23:15
Speaker
I'll say in different versions of the same fucking thing. It's the people who are actively oppressing us are the ones that we should direct the anger towards. I disagree a little bit because I think voices like Charlie Kirk's are actively contributing to those forms of oppression. i think they're actively contributing to making the country worse for everybody, less safe.
00:23:39
Speaker
Like if he played a big hand in Trump being elected, we're already looking at like – When you look at like the the checklist for project 2025 that nobody actually really knew about, we're pretty fucking close to checking all those boxes. Like things are worse because of people like Charlie Kirk, which is why i can tell you that I believe, yeah, but like it's wrong to assassinate people, but why I can also sit here and say, I don't,
00:24:04
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the The only thing I feel, feel, just feel, is that I am frustrated that this is going to make things harder for other people who are actively going to, like when you like you just talked about, with like, that oh, guess it's war, blah, blah, blah, everyone won't shut the fuck up. and then then Trump being like, oh, this is the perfect excuse. I need to just completely squash out other forms of resistance.
00:24:30
Speaker
And yeah that sucks. And that's what I think. That's what I don't like. That's what I feel negatively towards. I feel nothing about Charlie Kirk. I believe what happened was wrong. I don't feel like I can't.
00:24:43
Speaker
care and you don't have to you don't have to fucking feel anything like and i don't feel like if i really think about the death toll in gaza i can be really bummed out i go through my life without thinking about someone who died in worcester yesterday i go through my like we all go through life not feeling certain things about stuff that we are radically disconnected from and that's fine but yeah that's true i just don't i'm sorry i got on a high horse and you know i don't think but Yeah.
00:25:14
Speaker
Can I just point out quickly? but i don't know how much time I want to spend on this. I know you got something else to bring up. I know other people are going to really break this down in more in-depth ways. We wanted to touch on it. i also um We also don't know much of anything right now.
00:25:31
Speaker
It's just going to come out in some of the reporting. Obviously, initial reporting often gets walked back. Things are wrong. I'm interested to see where this goes in the next couple of days. I'm skeptical as fuck.
00:25:43
Speaker
I don't believe for a second that we're going to get a narrative that doesn't that isn't helpful for ah Trump and his regime. i think They have every incentive to paint this as like ah you know a radical like right trans leftist you know, Antifa person. And it could be, it could be but I have a feeling it's not as clean and convenient as that. We'll see.
00:26:11
Speaker
But for a man like Charlie Kirk, this the astute man who dropped out of college to pursue full-time political activism. Um, after, and after forming turning point USA in 2012,
00:26:24
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um Kirk expanded the organization's influence through initiatives such as the professor watch list and school board watch list, which sought to fire or silence professors and educators through targeted harassment campaigns for sharing opinions opposed by turning point.
00:26:42
Speaker
Fuck you, dude. Like all this bitch does, all these bitches do is cry about free speech, free speech, free speech. Fuck you. Yeah, there there is there's like so much of that.
00:26:55
Speaker
Like, ah you know, Charlie believed believed with all his heart in free speech. It's like, yeah, what was his record on free speech against Israel? Like, how did he ah feel about I think he was pretty quiet about that.
00:27:07
Speaker
Right. It's the thing, like, so many of the conspiracy theories right now are, like, about Israel and Israel did it and this and that. Ian Carroll posted something about how, like, Israel just shot themselves in the foot because, you know, Charlie Kirk is an everyman or something. And it's like what I he's been kind of a Zionist shill. Like this is a time.
00:27:30
Speaker
Why would they shoot? You're going to have to break it down for me because I don't really understand what they would gain from killing Charlie Kirk. You know, did you see ah the ah the South Park episode making fun of him?
00:27:44
Speaker
No, but he would make a perfect... He's got the perfect face for a South Park character. oh it's It's good. It's really good. One of the kids like dresses up and looks exactly and just looks like Charlie Kirk and has and just debates kids at school and tells them why they're wrong whenever they give him actual like decent information.
00:28:03
Speaker
It just... And the way that Charlie Kirk does that his little like prove like even the arrogant um like the prove me wrong debate tour whatever where it's like he just sits up there that smug little cunt and is like prove me wrong. And it's just people actually asking him real questions with real numbers and with good points.
00:28:24
Speaker
Some of them not so much but a lot of them are. And he's like, oh, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah, blah, blah, blah. This is why you're wrong. Moving on Next question. It's like, dude, this you're pathetic.
00:28:34
Speaker
He's a hack. He's just a hack. I think, yeah. One of the things that just always strikes me when something, when somebody does something outrageous or so one of these characters like makes the news in a big way is like,
00:28:49
Speaker
you know, he's not really good for either side. And if you're a conservative, like you don't have to carry water for these people. You know, same as if you're a liberal, if a, if a, you know, somebody who's a, who aligns with leftists on this and that and the other, or belongs to the right identity group, like does something bad, like you don't have to carry water for them just because they're part of the group.
00:29:15
Speaker
you'd be better off just being like, yeah, that's not me. I don't care about, I'm right. I'm not. I learned that the hard way with Fetterman. Yeah. We, we cut that bitch loose quick.
00:29:28
Speaker
The Idaho tater himself. That was on. That was like the fastest fall from grace. Right. He's so bad.
00:29:38
Speaker
Yeah. That one was wild. Anyway, hopefully we find out, uh, who Donald Trump paid to have charlieleyrk Charlie, Charlie Kirk killed in the next few days. But it did take the, ah it did take the story, the headlines away from the, ah the Epstein birthday book.
00:29:56
Speaker
Yeah, dude, that one was nuts. If you haven't seen any of it, okay, go watch the breaking points video from yesterday about where Sager breaks down the book.
00:30:08
Speaker
And he, he pulls like 16 images from this book. And it's, if, if, i have to I have to imagine everybody's heard about this book already, but like if you haven't,
00:30:19
Speaker
This is a book that like when Epstein turned 50, Ghislaine Maxwell like had all of his friends and cohorts and stuff like that. Write him something, send him pictures, all that. She put it together in this big book of stuff.
00:30:33
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And oh my God, it's creepy and weird. It's so weird. It makes me feel like whatever they already had on those people, he they like hung over their heads and forced them to write weird cards.
00:30:47
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Like it doesn't make sense that a person like all of those cards. You just like people don't talk like that. Like it's when send in pictures of children.
00:30:58
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Yeah. And it's when you in like suggestive poses and stuff like um'm I'm assuming their children or somebody in their family. i It's it's mind blowing.
00:31:09
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and it And it's it's so blatant and and grotesque and like unfiltered. That like all of these people who have since had to come out and make a statement about him and be like, you know, I never saw any illegal activity when I was there, but, you know, I was totally unaware of this side of Jeffrey and I really regret my dealings with him.
00:31:30
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Nope. a like it was clearly just a part of being around him was like, you were just a a weird pervert. And you, if you weren't engaging in it yourself, you were definitely aware of it because everywhere in all of these letters and pictures and drawings and whatnot, there's references to the plane, there's references to the Island. There's, it's just over and over again. There's weird drawings of like him with little girls or like,
00:31:58
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you know, women, there's one that it shows Jeffrey in 1983. It's a drawing of him handing balloons to little girls. And then it flashes. It's like 2003. And it's, uh, it's like him on a beach being rubbed down by like topless women in bikinis that are, in it's kind of like insinuating that it's the same girls from the previous drawing.
00:32:23
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It's so disgusting. It's absolutely nuts. ah There's a good one with Trump. What? Selling? Was it selling ah someone whose value had depreciated a woman?
00:32:33
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Yeah. Apparently they dated the same woman and it it was a joke made about Jeffrey selling a fully depreciated this woman's name, which is redacted to Trump for $22,500 demonstrating his skills with money and women.
00:32:52
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And there's another one where they're in ski masks with knives and there's like, you know, insinuations about them like going out and like raping and maybe murdering people.
00:33:03
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it It's unbelievable. And I just can't believe going to look through it at some point and like actually ah see what the rest of the book says. But God, dude, it's it's dark.
00:33:18
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All right. So moving on to. ah A different topic. almost wanted to say a more fun topic, but I don't know if that's the right word for it. Less blood.
00:33:29
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Less blood involved. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we're dealing strictly in bloodless human misery on this one, I think. so Which is often at least a little bit easier to laugh at.
David Taylor's Claims of Papal Authority
00:33:44
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That's not true. ah We've covered our fair share of egregious sex crimes. Nothing funny about that. No, no. um But we're going to talk about um a very important pastor, um a man named David Taylor. Have you ever heard of David Taylor?
00:34:07
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ah cannot say I'm familiar. I do love this road that we've been going down, though. I truly, it's like there's no end to pastors making entertainment for us.
00:34:22
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Well, yeah, I mean, it's, ah I don't know that there's much excuse for not knowing who David Taylor is, because he's the head of the Kingdom of God Global Church, formerly known as Joshua Media Ministries International.
00:34:37
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Okay. But his significance is less about his title and more about, you know, his divine ah imbuing that he's gone through. And ah maybe I'll let him say it himself.
00:34:49
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Like, I would have never known... the magnitude of who I am with the keys of the kingdom if it wasn't for me going online, watching them talk about me on social media. And then one of them said, they said, you know, he claims that Jesus appeared to him in a dream and gave him the keys of the kingdom in 1997. And he says, now, you know, if he was given the keys of Peter, the keys of the kingdom like Peter was, you know what that mean.
00:35:18
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Our pope is really not the pope, he's the pope. He gave it to me, not a liar, Jesus came to me. So I started to realize I'm the pope.
00:35:29
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I don't need no robes. I'm the pontiff. I've been chosen by God to hold the highest rank out of all preachers in the world. The son of God came to me, and when I give a word to somebody, they should obey.
00:35:44
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Oh, okay. yeah disrespec Yeah, so there you have it. The most important preacher in the world, personally chosen by Christ Almighty.
00:35:56
Speaker
And he has ah he is he's done pretty well for himself. So were other popes the pope? And it's just this time, just this time now, like in 1997 is like not since 97 when his when his popehood started.
00:36:13
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We had that one old corpse that they carted around for quite a while. And then they had the guy that was there for six months and then got they drug up like his, ah you know, monster dot com of pedophiles accusations.
00:36:27
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Yeah. Yeah. And then there's the guy, ah the South American guy that was, you know, a little too chummy with the gays. Now, I don't know who this fellow. I don't know anything about the new one.
00:36:39
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It's just so uninteresting. I don't really care anything about the Pope. Is this guy Catholic? No, he's not Catholic. No, he's just the Pope. Yeah, just the Pope. And it's funny because, like, that if you're... Why should...
00:36:57
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that doesn't make sense, right? Like you're not Catholic. Catholics acknowledge the Pope. No, ah what no one else does in as like an authority, really. I guess some people kind of do like out of like respect as you would for someone in any high position, but to just be like, actually I'm the Pope. It's like, Oh, you're the thing that your people have don't care about at all, but now they're supposed to care about it because it's you. Like, I don't,
00:37:25
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It's kind of like incongruent a little bit. i don't This guy doesn't seem like super bright. I think he just thinks Pope is like king in religious speak. Yeah, king king Christian.
00:37:37
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Yeah, he's king Christian. The reason that we're talking about him is that he found himself in some trouble. Much like the popes of the past. Yeah.
00:37:50
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And so Kingdom of God Global Church is ah is being indicted on charges of like ah money laundering and fraud and human trafficking. That's forced labor.
00:38:08
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Forced labor. oh yeah. This is a this is a weird one.
Church's Legal Troubles: Fraud and Trafficking
00:38:12
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It really. don't even know how you get away with that. Well, I guess it's fear based. You keep people locked up and you don't let them go anywhere and and you just work them to death, basically.
00:38:25
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It this started out as like a 24 hour youth group lock in and they just never unlocked the doors. So he had a he had like a TV show and then he he set up he started setting up call centers where they would just call and solicit donations basically like and he put like extreme pressure on the people that worked in these call centers for without pay.
00:38:50
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They're volunteers. He would force them to quit their job. He would force them to leave their spouse if their spouse wasn't supportive of it. They'd withhold food and sleep.
00:39:01
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I mean, he's a he and his his partner, i don't think romantic partner or anything like that, but this lady, Michelle Brannon, was like his second in command. And she is also in big trouble with all of this.
00:39:16
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So I've got the ah i've got the indictment. pulled up and uh so it's the united states of america plaintiff versus david taylor and michelle brannan defendants so i figured we'd read through this a little bit and then i've got a couple other clips of uh of taylor that i think are important if taylor has one strength it's that he is uh he's he's focused on the bag
00:39:47
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He's going to do what he has to do to get that money, and he leverages every bit of ah his his holy endowment to to solicit it. Give $10,000. have 500 people, give $10,000. That's so much money. We can raise the million in one
00:40:03
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but so we can raise the million in one day Lord, I also break a stingy spirit because I sense that there are some heavy hitters watching me tonight. There are some people that can give $200,000, $300,000. They can give $50,000, $20,000. They had it saved up.
00:40:19
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But God, that's a stingy spirit. on That's a spirit of fear. So I break that spirit of stinginess. Some of you are just giving maybe a little money, $10 here, $20, when you know you have thousands of dollars.
00:40:32
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That's unreal. It's so brazen. It's so so unashamed. Like, I don't know how, like, what, what does he get? and I always find do pastors tithe, you know, to be a fun, like how much is he gets? one doesn't.
00:40:48
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I can say that with confidence. It seems apparent that he wouldn't be the type. um But they're like, I don't, did you ever have that conversation about whether or not pastors, like, like should the pastor's salary, like, it's a weird thing, right? Because you go, well, just automatically take the tithe out of the pastor's salary. So you're like, but then whatever you make the salary is the salary. Like that's not, well, it's supposed to be 80,000 a year, but it's actually 72 because we just, that's his tithe. So now he doesn't have to tithe.
00:41:25
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I don't remember ever having that conversation, but I do remember an evan an evangelist that would come to our church once in a while. He's actually a cool old man, but you know he was goofy.
00:41:36
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And I remember him giving like this big speech about how you know you're supposed to tithe 10% on your um gross income, not on your net.
00:41:48
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That's important. you know I remember that conversation too. it's ah Yeah, he he was pretty convicted about it. I'm just glad i always did net and rounded down for most of my life.
00:42:02
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Because I think about all the money I gave. That's just, I don't know what i would have done with it if I still had it, right? But I can just think of like, I remember when we like stopped and I was like, oh, look at this extra money. Like what?
00:42:18
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I've just been giving this away. Yeah, I was afraid I'd lose my house because even though I had the extra money, that God would take all my blessings away. one of my one of my salesmen has had just like the worst year where it's just like every time he thinks everything's settled down like he gets news of another like massive bill like the basement flooded and then his transmission went out and they were they found out they were pregnant and his this week i guess it was last week when he found out but like
00:42:50
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He was telling me, um he's like, yeah, he's like, I was, I was tucking my little girl in for bed and she smelled, there's like a smell coming from her and I couldn't figure out what it was. And he's like, so I made her go in and like brush her teeth and stuff again. I couldn't get her rid of it. And he's like, it smelled like it was coming from her nose.
00:43:11
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So they took her to the doctor and they looked up there and they're like, yeah, there's, there's something in there. There's like a foreign object in there. get it out So he had to take her in for surgery.
00:43:23
Speaker
No way. They said it was like a five minute ordeal. But like, yeah, they actually had to surgically remove it. And it was like grass seeds. Like this little stickers from grass seeds were stuck. Oh, no.
00:43:37
Speaker
Oh, my God. Crazy. It's just like, yeah, what's another bill? Five minutes. What's that run? Eight grand. Oh yeah. I mean, emergency room visit hundreds deductible, depending on whether or not they paid it down or a dude.
00:43:55
Speaker
I, we got the bill for having a baby and you just go, this should, this is fucking stupid. Like you shouldn't pay to have a baby here. It doesn't, it's so dumb. Not a white baby. Haven't you heard about the genocide?
00:44:10
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The great white genocide.
00:44:14
Speaker
Yeah, it is really stupid. It's nuts. It's like so common. Like health insurance. It's just great when you look at the breakdown. Like I know you can know. I think my wife gets sick of hearing me say this, but like every time we get like bills like that.
00:44:30
Speaker
And it's just like, oh, this part cost $7,000. This part cost $800. This part cost $10,000. And it's just like... Yeah, we counted the sheets of toilet paper that you used while you were in the emergency. Right?
00:44:42
Speaker
And then like... i because like i remember them saying for my last kid, they were like... They were trying to give her like ask if she wanted some sort of medicine and she were denied it.
00:44:55
Speaker
But it ended up on the hospital bill and like having to pay the copay for it. And we're just like, I didn't even take this. But like they're giving you just like Tylenol and charging you a copay for that shit. Like, I don't know It's just so dumb. It's dumb.
00:45:11
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Every time we get those bills, I just look at them and go, God, I hate this country so much. I hate it. The stupidest health care in the world. So, okay, jumping into the indictment here. So Kingdom of God Global Church, formerly known as Joshua Media Ministries, is an organization led by David E. Taylor.
00:45:30
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Michelle Brannan is the executive director of KOGGC. Brannan assists Taylor in managing, blah, blah, blah. um Taylor calls himself Apostle and Jesus' best friend. He claims he has had multiple face-to-face encounters with God and that God has given him the keys to the kingdom of Earth.
00:45:47
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Taylor establishes his first organized call center in ah Taylor, Michigan. The purpose of the call centers was to use phone solicitors to raise money from donors purportedly to support the operations and ministries of KOGGC.
00:46:02
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Taylor has since
Exploitation in Taylor's Call Centers
00:46:03
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opened and operated call centers in other locations in the United States, including Missouri, Florida, and Texas. He recruits individuals from across the country to work as phone solicitors at his call center.
00:46:14
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Each day, his call center his call center workers are instructed to make a specific number of calls or raise a specific dollar amount. Call center workers are unpaid. KOGGC receives millions of dollars in donations each year. Taylor uses these donations to support an extravagant personal lifestyle, including a series of residences, airline tickets, personal vehicles, and luxury goods.
00:46:38
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Dude, he knows he's a fraud. I don't believe for, like, I know we always have this conversation about, like, do they really, but this guy knows he's a fraud. There is this one in particular, there is no good happening from this organization. there They aren't doing anything for anybody except padding this guy's pocket.
00:46:57
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Yeah, it's like, ah it's like Creflo dollar level, like, fraud. Yeah. and And it's bad enough that like he's been and he's been operating for a while. This isn't the first time he's been in trouble.
00:47:10
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Like he actually lost his tax exempt status in like 2020 or 2021 or something like that is so hard to do. And he got in trouble for a very similar fraud-related things back in 2012, 2013.
00:47:25
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And you can actually go on YouTube and watch his entire deposition from back then, where they like Lady Ben Stein questions him about like how much money he spent on clothes at the Gucci store in Nassau, Bahamas. Yeah.
00:47:41
Speaker
It's pretty funny listening to somebody try to explain it. Once you do something like that and go down for it, like that's the problem with that's another problem with this dumb fucking country is that like you can just fraud your way into giant ass lawsuit and then you can just turn around prop up your LinkedIn a little bit, freshen it up and, or just, you just start a new LLC and you just grow that. Like if you do shit like this, you should not be allowed to start new organizations. They just need to give you the actual, like the real deal corporate death sentence. It's like, yeah you're not allowed to do businesses anymore.
00:48:24
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Like you don't get to say the name Jesus ever again. You can only think it. Okay. Don't even mouth the words. We don't want you preaching to anybody. They need to treat the government needs to start treating or the the courts need to start treating businesses like playgrounds in the way that they do for sex offenders.
00:48:44
Speaker
Just can't go anywhere near them. You are no longer allowed to do paintless dent repair. No, that's it. No, you can you can only be employed by somebody else and you can't have you can't be you can't even achieve C-suite status.
00:49:00
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That might be an infringement of somebody's rights, but I think we should rewrite the Constitution if that's the case. Yeah, well it's 2025. We're going to start worrying about people's rights now. I know.
00:49:12
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we we it's been That have sailed, dude. Who cares? KOGGC has received approximately $50 million dollars in donations since 2014. Taylor also recruits individuals to work as his, quote, armor bearers.
00:49:28
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Armor bearers work as Taylor's personal servants by fulfilling Taylor's demands. Taylor demanded that his armor bearers provide food for him, transport him, maintain his houses and cars, transport women from ministry houses, airports, and other locations to Taylor's location, and ensure the women transported to Taylor took Plan B emergency contraceptives.
00:49:51
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Whoa. Yeah. Forced to Bobos. i I don't have a lot of details about that aspect of this, but it's repeated over and over again. And like everything that I read about this is that he was transporting women for all over the place to, you know, via these armor bearers.
00:50:11
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And then afterwards they were armor bearers. What a wild title. It's insane. Just pull any old term out of the Bible and put it to use, you know? Yeah. Pimp squad.
00:50:26
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Armor bearers, like call center workers, are unpaid. If a call center worker or armor bearer does not fulfill Taylor's goals or disobeys an order, that individual is punished.
00:50:37
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Punishment includes humiliation, sleep deprivation, forced quote-unquote repentance, additional work, food restrictions, physical assaults, and threats of divine judgment in the form of sickness, accidents, death, and eternal damnation.
00:50:52
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They refer to orgasms as repentance. I think that's what we can infer there, yeah. Taylor regularly claims yeah you if you don't deliver, if you're an armor baron, you don't deliver like his lady to him on time, he forces you to sit on the Sivian on an empty stomach.
00:51:13
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The what? It's like a vibrating sawhorse. Ha ha ha.
00:51:24
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ah It's jarring. Taylor regularly claims that if any individual fails to obey his orders and commands, they are defying God and will suffer in hell. How would you like to hear that from Taylor's mouth?
00:51:38
Speaker
Here we go. You want to start messing with the kingdom? You in trouble. i don't care if you are government, you are done. God will kill you. I don't care if you are judge. i don't care if you're police. God will kill you.
00:51:51
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i don't have to plan your death. don't have to do nothing. God going to kill you if you don't stop.
00:51:57
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I'm speaking directly under the presence of God now. God is going to kill you if you don't stop.
00:52:04
Speaker
You women that speak an evil, He's gonna kill you. The Lord just told me, He says, tell the preachers too who are persecuting you that I'm coming after them. You five-fold ministry preachers, you apostles, prophets, pastors, you bishops who are speaking evil of me in this ministry, you're on dangerous ground.
00:52:23
Speaker
He's coming after you too. I have seen God kill preachers. on my behalf. Yeah, he killed them. Damn. I just heard him say, you left out a group.
00:52:35
Speaker
Tell the pastors, make sure you spread this around everywhere. Tell all the pastors, tell all the fivefold ministry leaders, the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the teachers, the bishops, all of you who are speaking evil of me and this ministry that is from God.
00:52:55
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Jehovah just said, tell them I'm coming after them. Like I've come after the other preachers and killed them. If they do not repent. Kill them. and This dude needs a pop filter.
00:53:07
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Yeah. He is really not a well-spoken guy. Like the more of the clips that I watched, the more I would, you know, he would, he would use words like gooder. yeah It's going to work out more gooder for me.
00:53:21
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And I, yeah. Did he, wait, did you say something about how he looks? No, he's got kind of an oddball hairdo. I heard he's not a good looking guy. I don't know why I heard that.
00:53:33
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Maybe even because I was wondering that. And I, i not that that it matters. Um, But you just go, like like, how did he get like this?
00:53:49
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I always wonder how, like, you, like, it doesn't happen overnight, right? it really It happens after your first scheme is successful, right? It's something like it builds up over time.
00:54:00
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um But I'm curious as to, like, who this guy is. How, like, it was just his charisma, I guess, that got him any sort of following.
00:54:12
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um Yeah, you can get a long ways just speaking with 100% confidence. where Yeah, yeah, that's I mean, our president. ah Were the call center workers in these body, guard the armor bearers, ah like parishioners of the church?
00:54:32
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Yeah. And he just kind of like singled them out and then basically cordoned them off in these call centers. Like they slept in the buildings a lot of times and everything. It's more of civic development group.
00:54:44
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So, yeah, here's some of the details about some of this. So Taylor created rules to control the victims and this lady Brennan, who's the other person named in the in the indictment, enforced Taylor's rules.
00:54:56
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Taylor and Brennan demanded that victims cut off any family or friends that question Taylor or the righteousness of KOGGC. Taylor and Brennan demanded that full-time staff give up any outside employment.
00:55:09
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Victims slept in the call center facility or in a ministry house, quote-unquote. The call centers and ministry properties were located at these addresses. ah Taylor, Michigan, Chesterfield, Missouri, Eureka, Missouri.
00:55:23
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Tampa, Florida, Ocala, Florida, Houston, Texas. o Taylor, they exercised strict control over the victim's personal lives. They demanded the victims apply for a government-funded electronic benefits transfer or EBT card claiming to be homeless and give the card to Taylor or Brannon or to the KOGGC staff reported to them. Dude, no way.
00:55:46
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He's not...
00:55:49
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He
Misuse of EBT Cards by Taylor's Organization
00:55:50
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took him $50 million dollars in donations and he's got them all applying for EBT cards. and like giving that like When he goes shopping, do you think he like pulls out a backpack full of EBT cards and he's like just swiping them all? mean, how does that look? He's got like a Ridge wallet that's like eight inches thick. He's just like, I don't know. Try this one.
00:56:13
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Try that one. ah He unzips a backpack and they spill out. It's like a bunch of plastic slapping the floor. Just $25 gift certificates from the government.
00:56:30
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Taylor and Brennan used the EBT government funds to purchase food for KOGGC staff. The government money obtained and spent by Taylor and Brennan included funds from Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, SNAP. but Why is that always part of shit like this?
00:56:46
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ah It's every time. It's just they know it's out there and they want that money. um Taylor established working groups within KOGGC, such as a Facebook team, a finance team, a call center team, and a music team. However, almost all victims were expected to participate in the call center in some capacity to assist in bringing in monetary donations.
00:57:10
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On top of their own personal tithes. That's nuts, dude. To encourage donations, Taylor and Brennan instructed the victims to falsely state that the donated funds would be spent on charitable works, such as providing water wells for impoverished communities overseas or supporting victims of human trafficking.
00:57:30
Speaker
That's bold. Dude, the level of confidence that he speaks... to about like God killing other people who don't align with him while doing while like doing the things he says people's money is going to stop. Like this isn't a case of he lost his way. Like he doesn't believe in God. He doesn't believe in any of this.
00:57:56
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Absolutely not. that No part of me will think for a moment that he has deluded himself and rationalized his bad... like he He does not believe a goddamn word he says. He's he's a psychopath.
00:58:12
Speaker
Right. it's Everything is just a tool for him to get what he wants. Yeah. And it seems he worse than your average cult leader. like Cult, not like your massive big-time one. like The ones we'll break. But like...
00:58:25
Speaker
those little weird little culty pops up pop-ups like sometimes it's just arrogance right it's like they're so arrogant that they've allowed themselves or need to believe it's like incel shit too it's like you're just you like you're small and you feel small and now this makes you feel like something and big and powerful and people respect you and they didn't respect you growing up you got shoved into too many lockers whatever but you convince yourself it's god working through you like i get it like You can sincerely be wrong about, obviously, how a level of belief that you have that God is working through you.
00:59:02
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None of that is true with this guy. No. No, and he gets hot when he's questioned. For instance... You bow down to the devil and let him screw you over in your butt.
00:59:15
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You are weak and you are cowards. You are homosexual to the devil. Even if you ain't won naturally, you won spiritually. A spiritual homosexual. I gotta figure out ways to use that.
00:59:27
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you You're being such a spiritual homosexual right now. I cannot wait to use that. Screw you in your butt! It's like the Christian no homo.
00:59:46
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ah i just would I just wanted to find like one of the examples of... ah Okay, so here's some of the some of the like the reported conversations that he had with staff.
00:59:58
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Okay, so this is May 5th, 2021 at 1230 a.m. Taylor texted to DG, his current armor bearer tasked with communicating his order to the KOGGC staff, whose identity is known to the grand jury.
01:00:12
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Quote, you'll have to raise a hundred and sixty four thousand dollars today each hour you fall behind consequences will start we will mess with the food you will fast from the regular food or abstain for a while normally as of now there's a twenty one day peanut butter and jelly regiment like before Those who do not push in their calls individually and as a team with the right amount of people and closing numbers at 6 p.m., they don't eat dinner at all.
01:00:39
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If they do good afterward this time, then at the end of the night, they may get a snack before bed, but not much. And this regiment will go on every day for 21 days until they obey. Take away the food.
01:00:50
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There will be other consequences. We must make them fast and pray. That's unreal. How did he get caught?
01:01:01
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um i think a federal investigation i mean i assume they're just on to this dude for a minute yeah i mean i think he's clearly like misused funds so bad and i don't think he's even remotely good at like some of the expenses he was writing off back in the like 2014 indictment you know when you can you you know you can read or listen to on youtube like uh what listening to them go through the list of chart of, of purchases that he turned in as expenses and having to explain them. Like they're like, they're like, you spent $30,000 a year on clothes in 2013 and 2014. Like why, why, why is that? And he's like, well, i was just on the road a lot and I was sweating through my clothes.
01:01:47
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I had to get new ones. And he's like purposely being coy with the woman asking the questions. She's grilling, dude, this lady's tough and she's just grilling him. But, uh, At one point, she's like, let's talk about the like Happy Times limo service.
01:02:03
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You paid them $50,000 this year. like what What is that about? He's like, that was to cut the Mercedes into a limo. She's like, cut?
01:02:14
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what ah What does that mean? He basically like took a Mercedes to them, two actually, and had them cut the car in half and stretch it. to make a limo out of it.
01:02:27
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Cool. And he paid $50,000 on top of whatever the car cost to have that done to each one of them. yeahs He's got Bentleys. He's got properties all over. I think his his real estate assets are are somewhere in the neighborhood of like $30 million. dollars the the The house that he got that got raided two weeks ago, I think it's in Houston.
01:02:52
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It's 28,000 square feet. Come on. What? It's insane. What happened after the 2014 deposition I honestly, I'm not sure.
01:03:04
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i didn't really get a clear picture of it, but I don't think he like served prison time or anything like that. If he did, it was minimal because he got right back after it you got it. Yeah. It's weird to do go through that and get right back after it and have no one keeping tabs on you though.
01:03:20
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I mean, Clearly, that's I'm sure like he wasn't exactly flying under the radar after that and then doing this. But so his house got raided just a couple of weeks ago.
01:03:31
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Is that what said? Yeah. So this is the one that we're reading now is fresh. Yes. We won't know what happens to this guy for a minute. I don't know if there was like the call center stuff and everything was happening back before that 2014 one.
01:03:43
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But I do know that like he was under the microscope in like 2020, 2021 because they lost their tax exempt status, which had to be a huge blow. Which, like I said, is very, very, very, very hard to do because how many churches out there really should have lost it a decade ago and they're just still fine?
01:04:03
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No one's even looking at them. No one even cares. his His organization got like failing grades from all those like transparency review services and stuff. Nice. like yeah there's just There's no good happening as a result of this. This is just one man milking money from people.
01:04:20
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And the grift is nuts too because there is a better way to do this for longevity. you know like He very well may have been able to get away with this for much longer and maybe never even face serious legal consequences if he just kept the grift going right.
01:04:42
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But the guy gets too far out ahead of his skis, man. Quote, Michelle in top nine closers. How is it in five hours you'll have only raised $6,000?
01:04:54
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This is a marathon. you'll not take you'll Y'all are not taking this serious enough. This has to stop. Nobody gets lunch or dinner. Y'all are going to press for another five hours. Make sure no one eats until these numbers change. If they don't change in the next five hours, y'all are going to work until 4 a.m. m Now stand up and tell everyone they are not eating.
01:05:17
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Have they not eaten? I hope not. Also that over the next five hours, if they don't make up for this, they are not going to bed tonight until 4 a.m. September 19th, 2021. Quote, Michelle and Kia make them all stand and tell them if the punishment of 4 a.m. m don't work, I'm going to make it worse and worse.
01:05:37
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They're going to get their beds out of my house and sleep in the garage. Everyone piled in there. This ruthless boot camp is going to get worse and worse until they do what we are telling them. There will only be soup, bread, and water for all the degenerates every day and nothing else.
01:05:53
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But so these people, they they get to leave sometimes. they're not They're not prisoners there, are they? I think a lot of them are pretty much there. That's it. If they're parishioners... They were living on site in these buildings. Dang, dude. Yeah, so...
01:06:09
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Or they were living in ministry houses, but they were transported back and forth by the armor bearers. It's slave labor. i mean He was running a sweatshop in the middle of these American cities. It's nuts. and they i've been like I don't know. I guess you can't just walk out. People didn't feel like they could just leave.
01:06:25
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i mean I think it shows the degree of control. it he say i mean Not everyone is susceptible to dealing with this. For sure. of course now yeah so it's It's vulnerable people that he's exploiting.
01:06:39
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um September quote, quote pour water on everyone's faces that has that's halfway sleeping and not working wake them up now my next level of judgment tomorrow is that it won't be to just four am m it will be every hour you wasting this to in the day will be added on past four am m tell them all to stand now and you throw water on their faces especially the people not doing anything or helping bring in the money you don't you tell them i don't care about them being sick So Christian, dude. I love his Christlike demeanor.
01:07:11
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Like the way like he balances um love and justice, you know, that's really beautiful. Dude, it's just page after page of this. And so I didn't even really get to like some of the like the sexual exploitation of the the women he was carting back and forth and stuff.
01:07:29
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Um, because there's just pages and pages of like text messages of him screaming at, at his like call center workers and stuff. that's Um, yeah, there, and then there's a, there's a whole section on fraud and the stuff that they were doing with, you know, to mismanage money and things like that. Like it's, uh, it's, it's bad. I mean, it's just a, a total mess. Um,
01:07:55
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Maybe is it enough to, should we, i I mean, will this guy maybe take
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01:08:00
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us on a journey? Is this a, like, I'm sure there'll be more on this guy. I mean, if he his house just got raided.
01:08:08
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Yeah. I mean, I think this is going to be an ongoing story and hopefully when he does his like deposition, we actually, it's like publicly available and we get to, I don't know. That'd be so fun.
01:08:19
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Yeah. I would love to hear him explain these text messages like he had to do with his like credit card purchases on the other one. yeah Dude, it is crazy. like I feel like as soon as someone just responds to a judge or or whatever it was, um but in a legal setting, when like you're on a bench and you're being like,
01:08:46
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grilled normal people shit their pants they sit there uh-huh yep uh uh uh like they don't do to just be like bold and brazen in a situation like that shows that you are capable of the most heinous of crimes you feel nothing you are ah you are dead inside it's like It's a superiority complex that is like hard to even compute yeah know for people on the outside. Or it's just complete and total. like You're a sociopath at that point.
01:09:20
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ah yeah To just look that, like to be in that scenario into with the level of confidence that you would respond to your own children, say dumb shit like that. and like You're severely broken inside.
01:09:38
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Yeah, but you know what? Makes for good altar calls. It sure does. Probably pretty solid, Adam. We started with a prayer. Maybe we should change we should should end with an altar call.
01:09:48
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I was going to ask if we wanted to close in prayer and have our friend help us out again, but if you want to... see Let me cue up some modern altar call You got an altar call for us, by all means.
01:10:02
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The Lord can't complete his work without an altar call.
01:10:07
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Heads are bowed, eyes are closed. Even if you're driving, heads are bowed, eyes are closed. I know some of you listening to this tonight, your souls are hurting.
01:10:20
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They're calling out to me. I can hear them go,
01:10:27
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Ah, Lord, you are not alone. want you to put your hand on your cell phone. It wasn't already there.
01:10:40
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And I want you to just say these words with me. Lord, I hand it all to you. I hand all these troubles, all these tribulations, my medical bills, my student debt.
01:10:54
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I hand it all to you.
01:10:59
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And to you, Pastor Casey, I hand you my debit card number.
01:11:10
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So, yeah. ah I was so close, dude. I had my wallet out. i That music cut at just the right time. Hypnotizing, dude. You were about to get all of my personal financials.
01:11:25
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It kind of undermined it a little bit. was about to go with my routing number. I was like, I don't think I have my credit card on me. I wonder if he'll just take my routing number. I know. I see. I needed um another like 10 seconds to remind people to give me the CCV thing on the back.
01:11:41
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Yeah. Code billing address. Nobody calls that the same thing. There's a CVV, the CV, the, um, the security code, the CSV, I think is the other one that they say.
01:11:54
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I don't know if anyone even knows what it's really called. I think people just make that shit up. Maybe we'll turn that into a whole episode. The history of the CBV code.
01:12:08
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And then we'll make a mystery of the code. We'll listen to that on repeat in prison. yeah Until he hangs himself with his sheets. Well, ah thanks everybody for listening.
01:12:22
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um Unplug if you have to. right. don't ah Don't lose your minds. You probably have to. If you're a human in 2025, you have to. Yep.
01:12:33
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I'm going to take that advice this week as well. So hope to see you guys next time and we'll talk to you later.