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Ep. 243 – Father Forgive Me, For I Have Fingerblasted w/ Tan and Handsome
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This week we’re joined once again by musicians Chris and Logan from Tan and Handsome! They just released a new EP titled 2 Tan 2 Handsome, and it goes so hard. Follow Tan and Handsome on IG and Youtube (@tanandhandsome), X (@tanandhandsome_) and check out 2 Tan 2 Handsome streaming everywhere!
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Reunion & Band Ventures
00:00:52
Speaker
Hey, everybody, we are back with another episode of Growing Up Christian. I'm Sam. I'm Casey. And today we are joined by a former guest, Chris Oberholzer.
00:01:03
Speaker
I think I said that right. i Yeah, you're right. Never really. na You know that goes with last names. And in Logan, whose last name I don't know. And I don't know if you ah keep that private.
00:01:14
Speaker
Oh, no, it's Stoltzfus, which i voo I wouldn't have tried to say it anyway. off to you have to Yeah, was wondering if you're going to get that right. ah No, so we had Chris on before. He's in an incredible band called Tan and Handsome, and um they just put out some new music. So we wanted to have him on. He connected us with Logan. So here we are, the four of us.
00:01:39
Speaker
Another, you know, just couple of ah couple of dudes, ah few ah few to several dudes ah talking about music. like And ah we're white. We're all white. And there's four of us. And that's kind of a requirement for podcasts. Perfect for a podcast. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Temporary Podcasts Discussion
00:01:58
Speaker
It's like the midlife crisis of, ah you know, of just white men. Yeah. yeah Me and Logan are a couple of podcast dudes ourselves, actually. Yeah. A couple of podcasters.
00:02:09
Speaker
We have a few ideas. yeah Cool ideas in the tank. They're only like, ah can last for only like 15 minutes each. Yeah. please How long that format, you know? Yeah. yeah ah sort Normalized temporary podcast. yes Yeah.
00:02:23
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Like, That would be and would be a nice thing if people could just like jump in with a really good idea and run it for 10 episodes and then be like, yeah, that's about it. Yeah.
00:02:34
Speaker
Calling it quits. Like a good miniseries. we We have two um two two real bangers we've been thinking of.
Public Pool Music Trends
00:02:43
Speaker
yeah There's one that's called Pool Songs.
00:02:47
Speaker
Because we've been going to – I don't know what the public pool situation is up in – Okay. Up your way or over in Kansas too. But, yeah. We like to go to the public pool and ah see what songs they're playing because there's a very specific type.
00:03:02
Speaker
Yeah. What are like what are what are like top three guaranteed? Okay. Well, want a three, two, one this one, Logan? Yeah, sure. Okay. Okay. Top one, three, two, one.
00:03:14
Speaker
It's not over by Dodgy. It's not over by Dodgy. We probably lagged each other like that. Yeah. It's basically all these early two thousand s like emotional rock songs. I love that. Have you guys seen Dodgy's new look?
00:03:27
Speaker
With his blacked out sleeves and everything? Yeah, he looks super cool. actually listened to him this weekend for the first time maybe ever. Like he has a great voice.
Country Music Popularity
00:03:39
Speaker
It just it's just not very enjoyable music i I don't remember if I actually follow him on Instagram or just check in from time to time, but um he's got some really cool videos of him like lifting weights and ah with the captions. Sometimes I like to sing while I lift weights, and he's just belting out in the gym while doing like curls and shit.
00:04:02
Speaker
It's pretty lame, um but... and I like that people are finding ways to make the gym less enjoyable. yeah Because it won't affect me and I'd rather people were fat.
00:04:14
Speaker
yeah yeah
00:04:18
Speaker
Solidarity makes makes you feel better.
00:04:21
Speaker
what's ah So what's number two then? uh i guarantee pool music number two song you're gonna hear every time you go is viva la vida by cold play okay just not i'm it's i'm getting like that mom rock it's a lot of mom rock oh yeah yeah yeah a lot of that and then there's also like a a pop song with like a dance beat under it a little bit like apologize by one republic oh yeah that's a classic that avici song the Wake me up when it's all over. It's stuff like that.
00:04:55
Speaker
That's some weird sad country shit. It's like... Yeah. Sad country's a requirement. and it Or not even sad country, just pop country. but like um I mean, I guess country's everywhere. Country is one of the most... like it so It's a weird genre because it is like the ah like the most listened. Like it's so accessible. And I've, and you know, when I was in college, there was like, people drew hard lines in the sand about like not liking country. I like everything but country. That was like high school, college. That people said, I don't know when it got cool or when people got like less concerned with just admitting what they like, but like,
00:05:38
Speaker
it The people I knew who hated it, like so many of them turned out to be people who loved it and they can't get enough of it. and there's just no they don't and I don't know if it just got popular enough where no one felt bad or uncomfortable just admitting that they liked it, but I don't know.
00:05:55
Speaker
it's ah It's huge, i and but for people who don't like it, it's it's kind of misery-inducing to go around everywhere and that just be what is the most common.
00:06:07
Speaker
yeah Yeah, I like the era of country that everybody hated back in the day, like 80s, 90s country. That's that's the best, I think. And the old stuff is fun too, but like there's somewhere around like the early 2000s where don't Proud to be an American. Connected to 9-11 or what, but yeah, things went downhill fast. country is his own genre. Yeah, we would call it 9-11 country. thats My daddy served in the army.
00:06:35
Speaker
He lost his right eye. That's all right. It does go hard.
00:06:43
Speaker
Put a boot in their ass. It's the American way. It's a great line. It is. It's a line. it's It's really like the 21st century equivalent of speak softly and carry a big stick.
00:06:55
Speaker
Or as close as we come to it, right? yeah Teddy Roosevelt on one side. you got Toby Keith on the other. Definitely less articulate, dumber, and less capable. It's a perfect representation of everything this country has become.
00:07:11
Speaker
Very angry and aggressive, but stupid. Yeah. ah That's kind of the American way at this point, I think.
00:07:22
Speaker
Yeah. No? Okay, that's fine. it was my I thought so. It's fine. um All
Logan's College & Mennonite Background
00:07:30
Speaker
right. Well, we learned um we learned about you, Chris, last time. so I'm going to have you take a back seat real quick.
00:07:37
Speaker
And try chime in with some jokes, though. Don't be shy. yeah And Logan, I want to hear a little bit about you you. I know you guys guys live in Virginia.
00:07:49
Speaker
ah Did you always live in Virginia? ah Yeah, pretty much. Spent most of my most of my life in Virginia. I moved to Tennessee for college for a few years, but otherwise I've generally lived in kind of the same place.
00:08:05
Speaker
Which college? I went to Belmont University in Nashville. I don't know anything about that one. Is that a religious institution? It is. i think it's like not directly affiliated with any church, but maybe it was formerly Baptist or something like that.
00:08:22
Speaker
and Okay. So no strong lockdown. They have church. They have college locked down. Is haven't hit a level of prominence because their leadership hasn't been publicly disgraced on a national level Yeah.
00:08:36
Speaker
That's really the make it or break it point for ah for Christian colleges. Yeah. Like y'alls. yeah Yeah. Like ours. You were university. Big one. I know. That was a big one. It was really fun when all that started happening.
00:08:52
Speaker
um Because I went from being like when you're applying for jobs and stuff, like fresh out of college you start to realize like what bubble you've been in and that this place is a little bit more well known than maybe you realized and and you go you're like i'm gonna have to explain like my religion degree from liberty university on every job interview i go on And that stressed me out until the sex scandal. I could not, I was like, I went from being ashamed to of going there to being like, you guys know I went there, right?
00:09:30
Speaker
And then they'd be like, oh, no shit. And they want to ask you all about it. So that helped me. I felt, that being it I was thankful to Jerry Jr. for having a sex scandal that took away my shame. Yeah.
00:09:45
Speaker
fascinating Give you something really good to talk about at parties. Yeah, it's nice. Yeah. um So you went to, ah you growing up in Virginia before you went to college in Tennessee. What's the, what's the backdrop of your upbringing?
00:09:58
Speaker
ah Christian, non-Christian. ah What was your introduction to that stuff? I grew up going to church, Mennonite church most of my life.
00:10:09
Speaker
um tonight How do you feel about them now? I, you know, i feel that they get it more right than a lot of people, at least their core, like the core tenants of it are still, there's a lot of good ideas there, you know, it's got its flaws, like everything, but I, you know, there's stuff that I take away from that, having grown up in that, that I still like, you know, would consider part of my, my values, I guess, just like,
00:10:38
Speaker
taking care of people around you and not, you know, it's kind of just loving your neighbor and not, you know, using your resources to help people and whatever else. Yeah. They are like that nonviolent thing. that Like nonviolence was yeah a Mennonite thing, which I resonated more with before I got radicalized as a leftist, but I still appreciate it. Oh, for sure. Yeah. yeah That was like one thing I was hanging on to for a while. I was like, this is the, the, the nonviolence thing was like,
00:11:06
Speaker
one of my final pillars. And I was like, I don't know if I'm completely pacifist anymore. Yeah. And then, and then Luigi Mangione hits the scene. and We all go. he yeah my Casey, when I went out to visit Casey, he let me shoot a bunch of his guns and I changed my mind right there.
00:11:23
Speaker
yeah I started shooting animals as I walked by. I killed everything I could see. Yeah.
Guns & Virginia's Open-Carry Laws
00:11:29
Speaker
yeah I had to do a lot of talking. Yeah. but The last tour we did was with this band, Low Heaven. That's a Canadian band.
00:11:38
Speaker
And like the first day they were there, the bassist told me that he doesn't think he's ever seen a gun. and life And you're like, like this. You whipped one right out in front of him. The one you take on stage with you.
00:11:49
Speaker
Try this one out. Put it in your mouth. We have a gunshot blast in one of our songs. We talked about like getting starter gun or something. That would be so sick.
00:12:02
Speaker
It is fun to like... That would be the one point where the good guy with a gun comes out and sees me with this starter gun on stage and just blasts me. ah Is Virginia... You can open carry in Virginia, right?
00:12:14
Speaker
you got that's pretty ah they're open you can you can like open carry in virginia right i think so. That's like where it's like as long as you can as long as it's not concealed. I think you can. I remember people walking into Walmart like there's always that there's that personality archetype of like. yeah I mean, I've definitely seen it freshly divorced like a 7-Eleven with their gun out like. But yeah.
00:12:37
Speaker
Yeah. I'm not sure what the extent of the law. It is interesting to see like when you lay a bunch of different guns on a table and you let your friend who's never shot one before come over and pick like Which one he picks really like makes ah tells you a lot about him. And and Sam went right for like the big.44 Magnum revolver, like Dirty Harry style. yeah yeah it's it's what You look at that and you go, I'm going to feel really strong holding this.
00:13:08
Speaker
and like I just want to stand my ground so hard. yeah As a weak man, I was really excited about the that just brief moment of feeling powerful. I've been watching samurai shows a lot lately, and all I want is to just carry a katana around.
00:13:23
Speaker
yeah you would look, as I mean, it would be so natural on you. With my 26th gen seam, I'd drag the scabbard everywhere I went. I would say pair it with a fedora and then yeah you'll yeah get away with a lot of alcohol.
00:13:42
Speaker
that's You actually blend in water bottles with it. Why do I always get water bottles? I don't understand. If you just carry around sword, people get scared. If you put a fedora on, they go oh, we know what kind of guy we're working with.
00:13:57
Speaker
You can just browse the aisles of Walmart, no problem. i didn There was ah guy at the bar that I worked with that that we have these open mic nights and, um, it's a, it's a whole crowd.
00:14:09
Speaker
Um, but this one dude, like got kicked out at one point and then he, he had a sword in the bar. He brought an entire long sword that in the bar. So they kicked him out and then he was just in the parking lot, swinging it around, like wouldn't leave.
00:14:23
Speaker
Um, so finally like security, like called the cops or whatever, we're just like, Hey, there's this guy with a sword. It's whatever. But it's like, obviously it's just kind of this crazy guy. It's not going to be like,
00:14:35
Speaker
that harmful or whatever but like 12 cops show up surrounding like from each side with their like just in case out just like pointing at him to arrest this dude it was like that was completely unnecessary just gonna tell me again like you don't need to be doing all that There's a there was a guy there was a kid in in like Portland or something like that that was like dressed in cosplay and had a sword for his costume and the cops shot and killed him.
00:15:06
Speaker
That was like maybe like six, seven years ago, something like that. Yeah, it's insane. they they Yeah, it had been a while and they just had the itch. So they yeah yeah just found. Let's see what I don't know is what he did before that. Well, you said it was in Portland.
00:15:20
Speaker
I think it was like Washington or Oregon. who was one or the other. Yeah, you would think, right?
00:15:28
Speaker
They're going through a serious dry spell. Only only self self-made weapons are legal to carry openly in Portland. like You got to have like a Morningstar made out of shopping cart parts.
00:15:42
Speaker
know ah Logan, did you ah did does the Mennonite Church have like fun stuff like VBS and youth
Vacation Bible School Crafts
00:15:52
Speaker
group? Oh yeah.
00:15:55
Speaker
Yeah. All the, most of the same kind of staples I feel like. Okay. Um, do you guys remember any of the, the like crafts you made in VBS?
00:16:08
Speaker
Which one sticks out in your mind? and I can't anymore. I made these little garden stepping stones with those glass, like bead jewels. Like I remember that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You did like a pie plate.
00:16:21
Speaker
It was like disposable pie plates. was, Yeah, that was fun. And I did a little mosaic once. um I think I remember that one the most like that, those projects, because I say a family friend of ours was a pastor in Vermont.
00:16:38
Speaker
So we went up to that like we went up to visit them for the week and did VBS. And there were these they were like these other families there that my parents kind of knew adjacently.
00:16:49
Speaker
And i had a massive crush on like five of the girls there at the same time. I'm just like anyone that likes me is the one that I like the most. And none of them liked me.
00:17:00
Speaker
But I did break my arm that week and I got a lot of pity. So that was cool. Hope that would help. It didn't.
00:17:10
Speaker
Did he sign your cast for you or something? Probably. don't know. I was pretty drugged up when it first happened. Did get the cast signed by everyone? and well I know people did.
00:17:21
Speaker
I got a couple of signatures, but you know I didn't fill it up. So then I just kind of looked pathetic afterwards when you have like five signatures on it. ah Yeah. A lot of pity, but yeah. Yeah.
00:17:35
Speaker
I was homeschooled. So it's not like I like as soon as I got back, i'm like, I wouldn't write. I couldn't say putting it like, like coloring a, a dong on the side of somebody's cast. That's like ultimate troll move. Yeah.
Christian Youth Dating Culture
00:17:49
Speaker
really they Six weeks.
00:17:52
Speaker
They wrote, nobody wants to pity. Fuck you, dude. it's like and Probably kiss pity kiss. Let's be real.
00:18:03
Speaker
love be real Any hug? Yeah, just I would have settled for hug. I would have settled for all one of them. Here's my hug guy with a cast on.
00:18:14
Speaker
would have to settled for one of them just bringing me a glass of water because I was thirsty. I'd be like, I think she loves me. yeah i'm wounded and part
00:18:28
Speaker
the way you read into everything when you're like a middle schooler youth grouper um where like every act of kindness is confusing to you because you're like what is that what does that mean yeah i don't chris do you remember any of the crafts you guys made back in like the vbs days or any of that stuff i I can't really remember besides the one that... Like, if they were said, I could probably remember like how Sam was talking about the little, like, stepping stone things with the... Do have a poor memory, or is there, like, a period of drug-filled haze, like, between that point and now that that is blocking it?
00:19:10
Speaker
don't know. I didn't do that many drugs, okay? we you Okay, here's... okay Yeah, maybe there's a Whiskeyfield Hayes that has lost VBS memories, but... What... um Okay, we're... Maybe you got molested in VBS and you just blocked it out. Yeah, I've just been blocking it out. I know.
00:19:34
Speaker
it Oh no, now I remember.
00:19:42
Speaker
dude the creepy old guy like slides. up in stone things He slides his hand into the puppet with yours. Oh my god. It's kind of like VBS ghost. um He goes, this is what this is called double fisting.
00:20:01
Speaker
Oh You know, it's interesting. Oh man, it's bringing me back. There's a lot of Mennonites in Kansas and there's actually like a lot of them that i do or did own like large parcels of land here because they were like, I don't know if it's the word for it. They got a religious exemption from the draft and stuff during World War two Yeah.
00:20:25
Speaker
And World War I, I guess. And apparently a lot of them bought up large sections of land from, ah you know, dead guys, widows and whatnot during the post-war period. That's so wild. Money moves. What a good deal.
00:20:42
Speaker
but Avoid the draft. Those people go off and get killed on the front lines and then they just buy the land. That's such a sick end game. I love that. I know if we reenact the draft, I am becoming Mennonite very quickly.
00:20:54
Speaker
yeah There's no way they allow you find the military. There's no way you're getting drafted in 30s. I know. And my eyes suck. This isn't Ukraine. and Yeah. I think we're all good. We're all safe at this point. Yeah.
00:21:09
Speaker
There's a reason for that, too. like can midonite background we can just We can use that, too. and just pivot yeah pivot back to the to the church just really like rededicate your life to Christ.
00:21:20
Speaker
I think there's enough history there where, you know, we can make a case for it. Yeah. You wouldn't be the first one to just like do that hard pivot back. Like you, you get all that sinning out of the way, you know, and then you're like, cause we've seen, i mean, maybe you guys have seen it too. I mean, I'm 37. I don't know how old you are. I forget how old you are, Chris, but um it's like, okay.
00:21:45
Speaker
I've seen a lot of people like, Through youth group, they just kind of like completely fuck off after they leave. And then they have like their first kid and they're just back in church and they're like really serious about it again. And I think that's so interesting. I took the opposite path.
00:22:00
Speaker
I stayed in it super, super hard and then had kids and was like, maybe not. Yeah. Yeah. That's yeah' the kind thing that love for your children does for you. You know, it puts you back into church.
00:22:13
Speaker
Yeah. Nice, Casey. Wait, didn't you just have a kid? Didn't you say you just had a kid? I did. missed what you said. ah Four weeks ago. ah so said yeah Third one. Thanks. Yeah. Keeping me busy. I just, you know, the the thing you forget the most is ah like how jarring it is. Like, especially like,
00:22:37
Speaker
Yeah, as like was as you get older, how jarring it is to just be woken up six times a night and then have to go to work the next day. You're like, what um this is this is terrible. It's it's worse now. like It's harder now than when I was like eight years ago when I had my last one. so Yep.
00:22:57
Speaker
Anyway. didja So what was your level of – I guess, buy-in with church stuff. Were you very into it or no? ah i would like i don't I don't think I was quite as ah you know on fire as Chris over here.
High School Basketball Friendship
00:23:17
Speaker
But I was definitely... Did know each other? ah Yeah, we well, we met. um We first met trying out for JV basketball, I think. And I think when I was like a yeah sophomore in high school. So we've known each other for a while. We've known each other since high school.
00:23:37
Speaker
Logan made the team and I didn't. Oh, whoa. And I cried. And then Logan played basketball the entire time he was there. I also probably cried. He just wanted to be on and he just wanted to be off.
00:23:50
Speaker
You probably cried because he made the team. Yeah, at some point. The organized sports is not so much my thing, but I don't know. think one of those things that you feel yeah like you have to do at a certain age and you're like, and then it's like, oh, I don't have any friends here. This sucks.
00:24:07
Speaker
Yeah, you're in so such good company here with that sentiment, dude. Yeah, it's one of the great ironies of the the Lord's creation is, you know, making me, giving me the build of such a natural athlete, but then the drive to to do everything but that.
00:24:24
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I hate the upper body strength. Yeah. He's like, I'm just so naturally sexy, but.
00:24:37
Speaker
A great jumper. What
00:24:43
Speaker
were we saying, Logan?
00:24:46
Speaker
I don't know. ah So basically, we, yeah, Chris and I met in high school. Yeah, buying I was, you know, I was always pretty, pretty in it, but not like I'm trying to I'm trying to think of how to how to explain really. But, you know, pretty invested in it for a long time, but not necessarily revolving all of my like life school, college choices around it in quite the same way. Like I wasn't doing any of the like YWAM or any of that kind of stuff or like.
00:25:14
Speaker
any any sort of degree too specific to it.
Early Band Experiences
00:25:17
Speaker
But I mean, you know, we played in a bunch of bands for a long time. Well, not a bunch, but a few where we were like, the whole core idea of the band was like, we got to go out there and like, just put this idea in front of people or whatever, you know?
00:25:30
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. well ah You know, I was pretty invested, but I don't think I thought about it nearly as much as Chris, probably. If that sounds accurate. I feel that. Yeah. That's kind of where I was too.
00:25:42
Speaker
Yeah. Because it's like it becomes all-consuming for people who do think about it a lot, where you're like, you can't get out of your own way. yeah have a hard time having a good time, where you're like, is now a good time to stop and ask people about Jesus? Or should I give it 10 more minutes? you know like You're always like weighing that option and finding like the right way to like approach that topic. Well, I was, I should say. And I know people who where we did similarly. So you're just like,
00:26:13
Speaker
I look back on some of my experience so I'm like, I must have ruined some good times. But interestingly enough, my friends who weren't Christians that I felt like I needed to talk to you about that stuff, that they don't they don't have any memory of me being annoying about it, um which I think is nice to hear. Oh, yeah. My friends don't either. yeah Yeah.
00:26:34
Speaker
That's, yeah. That's good. Oh. Yeah, that's why learning to laugh. Yeah. Yeah. yeah You were annoying about it. How are you annoying about it?
00:26:45
Speaker
Dude, I don't know. I like... I feel like you weren't too bad. You were just like ready to debate people. Yeah. Yeah, dude. And on Facebook too. Yeah. Yeah. You weren't necessarily like trying to like... Or Twitter too.
00:27:01
Speaker
yeah yeah. Oh, man. What was my awesome abortion tweet on Twitter that one time? ah who I can't wait. we we always It's like screenshotted on all my friends' phones from like 2013. Yeah.
00:27:14
Speaker
It's like,
00:27:18
Speaker
it was real bad. I think it was like, if abortion isn't murder, what is the tragedy of a miscarriage? Oh, whoa. but goes That is a hot take.
00:27:32
Speaker
Holy shit. That was it. That was it. Yeah. Going for like Christian black metal vibes with that one. Yeah. That is wild. yeah I don't remember if it came up last time we talked, but I was, I was in, of the things I did do that was really annoying is I was in a metal core band with some homies, Jesse being one of them in high school. And, um,
00:28:01
Speaker
But the other kids were the kids i was talking about who weren't Christian. and But I, as a vocalist, thought I had the opportunity to do like to make that my thing. And they did not like that.
00:28:15
Speaker
That caused some problems. But the one show I really remember playing, it was just like, it was one of those you pay to play festivals. forget what they always call them. Yeah, you got to pre-sell some tickets.
00:28:30
Speaker
Yeah, and so we were upstairs with the Palladium, decent number of people, and I wore an abortion as homicide shirt and um didn't go over great. Got heckled a little bit. ah Oh my God. Oh, that's awesome. all So in our first band, our drummer did have a sticker that said abortion as murder on his drum kit for a long time.
00:28:52
Speaker
yeah yeah Yeah, that's a hard one to digest of even once you leave, like, they They really got that one stuck in there.
00:29:04
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Jesse and I got shirts together at ah Purple Door. Mine was ah the abortion is homicide, and his was the classic She's a Child, Not a Choice hoodie. did you both get the god hate to you you and jesse yeah yeah that rock i know uh you still have them no no uh i do have that picture still floating around of me playing that show wearing it um i got too fat for it i i used to wear smalls like a total scene kid you know
00:29:40
Speaker
So that's why you don't have it anymore. Yeah. quick day not the message Exactly. Dude, the band shirts back in the day, though, that was like, ah so like throughout your life as a kid, you you go through periods where different things all of a sudden take on the form of currency, you know, like maybe it was Pokemon cards, maybe it was pogs.
00:30:08
Speaker
For a while, it was Goosebumps books at my school. And like, like it was a status symbol to have a stack of Goosebumps books and you bring them to school and put them on your desk. And I don't know if anybody even ever read them, but was like everybody trading and bartering and stuff like that for different ones.
00:30:26
Speaker
And I feel like band shirts were, ah they were like the last one of those types of things that in my life. It was like a having like a big stack of band shirts with cool designs on them was just like a status symbol of the of the dumbest variety.
00:30:44
Speaker
yeah Oh, definitely. It was the, I stopped, I feel like I stopped buying a lot of band shirts when like the, the giant pastel images, like the attack, attack style, like, oh yeah, cartoon monster becoming all the rage. I was like, I don't feel like, I feel like I need, like, I wasn't old by any means, but I was like, this feels like I have to be in high school to buy this.
00:31:09
Speaker
Yeah. Yep. I think we were. i was in high school. Yep. Yeah, we we were buying it. Oh, yeah.
00:31:20
Speaker
I bet you, yeah, there's definitely some, ah some photos you can find of us in our old bands with ah some shirts like that. Oh, yeah. And they had to be so tight. Oh, yeah. as Small as you could get it on, you know? Yeah.
00:31:33
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It's crazy to think about that, like what that feels like, because obviously as you gain weight, as you get older, like like you just don't want everyone to know.
00:31:43
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You don't want that to be the first thing everyone notices about you. So you're just like, ah why would I wear it? a super tight shirt. But like, I know, like I, when I see pictures of myself from like 17, 18, I'm like, and that was like, you know, your classic beanpole scene kid.
00:31:59
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And it's like, i get I feel uncomfortable looking at old pictures of myself. It's like wearing – what do you call it? It's like a body suit almost.
00:32:13
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Yeah. it's like but I'm thinking like the dry fit, like you're ah but like racing bikes or some shit like that. You're like, what are you – Yeah. That basically is a good equivalent of what everybody was trying to do.
00:32:27
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About 20% of scene kids had the physique to really do that. And the rest of us were just constantly like pulling on them and stuff, trying to get them out from our crevices. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
00:32:38
Speaker
yeah That's why you need to get yourself a TC tugger. Oh, yeah. Yeah. you' didn get teeth
00:32:46
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oh Oh God, we had DC Cougars back. That saved me a lot of heartache in high school. Yeah. All those little, like those tiny little, it's like, it's like that series of small rips around the belly that looked like a mouse chewed on your shirt.
00:33:00
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a Yeah. Logan, did you, um, I guess like growing up Mennonite, was there like a dress code or anything that you guys had to follow or like,
00:33:13
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Did you get to just wear normal kid clothes? Yeah, I mean, there wasn't like a super dress code or anything because it wasn't like, you know, you have like the old order Mennonites that do like the, you know, the kind of like the bonnets and stuff like that.
Christian School Dress Codes
00:33:26
Speaker
And I think there was always probably like a ah small contingent of people that sort of dress that way in any church that I went to. But.
00:33:34
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It was never really the norm in any of the places I was. Chris and I went to the same high school, which did have some dress code. I think when I started there, you were not allowed to wear shorts at all.
00:33:46
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um i think I think when I came in freshman year, that was the first year that shorts were allowed. Yeah. So we had a Christian school. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. Okay.
00:33:58
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Yeah. okay yeah And I went to like a, like a Christian school for elementary school growing up. That was, I want to say like, maybe Presbyterian. I can't, I honestly can't remember, but that one was a more specific dress code. I, you had to wear like slacks, no jeans and, and everybody had to, you always had to wear a collared shirt.
00:34:21
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So every, like one of the boys would just wear like these crazy Hawaiian shirts like every day. Cause it was like the only sort of like ah self-expression you could like put out there.
00:34:33
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Because like otherwise it's just like, you know, flat colored button down shirts. So it's like all of us just like, you know, like eight year old boys in like slacks and like whole short sleeve Hawaiian shirts with like, you know, gelled up hair or whatever, just looking goofy as hell.
00:34:51
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Looking fresh, looking like. um Damn, it's always embarrassing when a reference fails you. Oh, to be ah a little pudgy kid in a short sleeve dress shirt with like a four inch wide tie.
00:35:07
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Guy Fieri. That was my reference. Sorry. Got it. Oh, yeah. yeah Actually, very spot on. That's pretty much like the favorite they had going. And for some reason it was like, yeah, it's still a collared shirt. So that's good to go. y'all can Y'all can go for that. And we're all like, done.
00:35:25
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Done deal. Mom, we got to go. I got to go get a Hawaiian shirt. I don actually respect the hell out of that school because most schools, Christian schools, when people start finding a way to like resist, ah they go, oh and by the way, your shirts have to be blue now or you have to wear solid colors. They keep upping the dress code to try to like get – It's like they don't they they they leave it open because they just want to see that you'll follow the rules on your own, like good little Christian boys. And then as soon as like there's some resistance, they go, oh, no, no, no. You're not you're not following the spirit of the law, my friend.
00:36:04
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Right.
00:36:07
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Was there a point where we couldn't have like words on the shirts?
00:36:12
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I really remember. Does that sound familiar or am making it up? I think that was definitely like a rule at some point, but i feel like that might have been phased out by the time I went there because I was definitely wearing like, i don't know, goofy graphic tees in middle school at that school.
00:36:26
Speaker
Yeah. Cool little cool dragon shirts. I was definitely wearing a flyleaf shirt at one point. but Nice. There we go. I remember I had like a demolition shirt from the Gap that I wore in middle school all the time.
00:36:39
Speaker
Yeah. What were ah all right those intro bands, but like ah the rock bands that we get into? um Logan, what what was yeah what were your game-changing rock bands?
00:36:51
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Oh, man. Well, for like getting into music, Cutlass was like the big first one for some reason. I was about to say, they were all really good bands.
00:37:04
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Yeah, they're all really, really good bands that I still listen
Inspiration from Christian Rock
00:37:07
Speaker
to all the time. um no i I mean, I got a Cutlass CD at the Christian bookstore, and I was like, whoa, loud guitars. This is cool.
00:37:18
Speaker
And then I think like I – i got an MXPX album shortly thereafter because I thought the cover was cool. And then I've got a bunch of CDs from like a friend's older brother around the same time, like a bunch of Reliant K, POD, like all the, you know, the staples of that. hate man um And then it just kind like... cutlass one, was it the one that was like, the first song was like, and I reach out and I touch you and I know that I need you.
00:37:50
Speaker
It might have been the album after that that I found first. Dude, what a boring band. i remember buying those. I bought a couple of their albums and I liked that one song, but it was like the rest was all kind of like praise and worship. And I was just like angry that it was so slow boring.
00:38:09
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Well, you should listen to the first one. What's the first one? That one had some bangers. It'd be like three or four riffy songs on a record.
00:38:20
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And I had never heard anything. It's baiting switch. Yeah. I had never heard anything cool really yet. So I still just, I listened to those four songs like over and over and over. ah And that's your skillet.
00:38:32
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e
00:38:35
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Skillet was a big one for me. Yeah, that's definitely, I feel like I found that a little, like I got the album a little later, but they were like a big one too. Pillar was another one that I listened to i also remember that, yeah, Pillar, I also remember that Awaken Alive album by Skillet coming out. um And it was about the time that I feel like Logan was actually getting into cooler music. So he was showing me cool stuff. And then I was like, you got to listen to the new Skillet album. And he's like, this sucks, dude.
00:39:05
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You got to grow up. Time to grow I feel like there was a point where Logan was kind of making a turn to be like, i don't know if I like this that much anymore. Yeah. But you would still say that Skillet is one of your number one influences for Tan Handsome though, right?
00:39:19
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Oh, for sure. Oh, 100%. Dude, have you listened to their most recent album?
00:39:26
Speaker
Skillet's most recent album? Or are you saying the new Tan Handsome album sounds like Skillet? No, no, no. Have you listened to their most recent Skillet album? Because it is it's special. It's a true work of Booner Hacker-y.
00:39:42
Speaker
Oh, yeah. I feel like I saw a video for one song where it's just like him singing at the camera with like a big hat on or something. oh yeah.
00:39:53
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My faith. Yeah, no and that one. That's what's packing me. Yeah. Is it literally called like FFF or something like that?
00:40:04
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Oh, probably. just go like yeah that's That's one song off of an entire album of songs just like that. Like, yeah all equally lame and just cringe-inducing. It's bad.
00:40:18
Speaker
Just about how hard it is for John Cooper to be an outlaw serving the Lord, you know? my God. Yeah, yeah. Well, hey, Logan, if you want to come over after we're done with this podcast...
00:40:34
Speaker
and drink a couple of beers, i think have we have something we could put on the Bluetooth. Oh yeah, that's exactly what I was just about to say is I think maybe we know what we're doing after this podcast is over. Yeah, I would highly recommend that. i um Casey forced us to, we have an album review club in our podcast discord and that was Casey's entry. He made a bunch of us listen to it and it is, ah it didn't go well.
00:40:59
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No one, thankfully no one liked it. um I feel like we would have had some wild conversations if someone was like, actually, this isn't that bad. um Yeah, i it's it might get a little it might wear on you after a while. Like sometimes like the novelty of how bad it is does wear off after like seven or eight tracks of the exact same thing. But I would highly recommend powering through it all the way to the end.
00:41:25
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There are just some lyrics on there that are just it. It hurts to hear them. i mean, they're so dumb. I can't wait. Yeah.
00:41:36
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I'm ready for this. Can't wait to play it in the van after we listen to this too. And just. pun it it Oh yeah. Were you like an exclusively Christian rock kid or were you, did you listen to secular stuff too?
00:41:50
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Uh, for me, it was, I mean, so my parents listened to mostly like that sort of nineties country you were talking about earlier growing up and not really any rock. And then I, you know, I bought that Cutlass CD that kind of sparked something.
00:42:04
Speaker
i was just like, wow, it's all, this is all I care about now. It's just like distorted guitars. Um, But for the first little while, pretty much everything I could get my hands on was from like the Family Christian Bookstore. So I was buying pretty much all of that stuff. And then eventually, you know, it pretty quickly I started to ah kind of it became like anything I could find that seemed cool. Like, I think at some point I kind of found out like.
00:42:30
Speaker
Okay, like Reliant K and MXPX are on this thing called like the Warped Tour and that seems like there's other cool stuff there. Maybe I could like try to find or like maybe i can convince my parents to buy me a CD at like Walmart or something.
00:42:46
Speaker
So I was like very quickly, like I was never really like beholden to just Christian rock or whatever, but it was like, that was all I could get for a while. I was just like excited about like anything that I could find, which definitely made for like some very like, um,
00:43:02
Speaker
incongruous mix CDs where it was like a bunch of Cutlass songs and then like I'm trying to think of what else would have been on there but like just a bunch of scene bands and stuff like It'd be like My Chemical Romance, Hawthorne Heights, and then Cutlass, and then like something else. and you know Really, like I was kind of starting to figure out there was like a bigger world, but I still hadn't really figured out that I didn't necessarily, that maybe not all these things belonged on the same level or in the same category. you know
00:43:36
Speaker
I don't know.
Eclectic Mixtapes Creation
00:43:38
Speaker
I definitely had some of those because i my truck didn't have a CD player for a while. So I had like what my like my buddy Jesse would make mixtapes for me like cassettes.
00:43:49
Speaker
And yeah, we would make some really horrendous mixes of things. Nothing like the old because I had to do this. I didn't have any music. I got so much of it just from burning it off of like at friends houses where it's like so I would have like, you know, I would have like like something like black Dahlia murder and then like dark tranquility, like, so like, just like, yeah and then like job for a cowboy. And then it's like, just like this weird mix of like, and then some like case the day on it. Like they would just, and none of it, none of it made sense. You're like, you didn't know how to make, make it like a quote unquote mixtape at that point. You're just like, yeahm I'm literally just trying to like soak in as much of this heavy music as I can.
00:44:36
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um So that way i can validate my existence and find an identity and stop floundering in this God forsaken
00:44:48
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us Talking about making these mixtapes gives me ah ah just a random side point real quick that the other night me and Logan and some friends were at our local bar and ah we were talking about burnt CZs one of our friends was just like, wouldn't that like take a long time just like without their like with what they're made of and whatever like that? And we were just like, wait a second.
00:45:12
Speaker
Yeah. You think we're talking about setting CDs on fire? He was like, I've never burned a CD. We were all like, really? It was like, did it take a long time? Did it take a long time? The Jenner Gap personified.
00:45:30
Speaker
That's amazing. what what are you like when What was it that like made you want to jump in and play music? Was it like a specific show that you went to or something like that? Yeah.
00:45:43
Speaker
Honestly, it's like, it's, I wish I had like a cooler answer, but I'm pretty sure it was seeing like Hawk Nelson and Cutlass play in Harrisonburg, like a big revival thing. And I was just like, oh, wow.
00:45:57
Speaker
It was like the first real like concert I'd ever been to. And I, I definitely remember sitting there thinking like, I got to learn how to play the guitar. This is like, The only thing I care about now. I wish we had a great story super cool, but you know, it it's, I mean, it's in line with everything we're talking about. It was just right.
00:46:16
Speaker
You know? Yeah. Right there. Just watching Cutlass. Like, this is what I got to This is it. That's all he needs. That's because it's just like and when you see the right thing at the right time and it's a, you know, it's a, it's a more alternative sound than like what we were used to.
00:46:36
Speaker
um So it's like, I feel like that that's a, a great story, Logan. Don't sell your story short. Okay. well appreciate it yeah For me, it was a skillet concert.
00:46:50
Speaker
We went to in like eighth grade and I thought it was like the coolest thing I'd ever seen. Yeah. Yeah. How following through with that go for you, Casey?
00:47:01
Speaker
Well, you know, i was a very successful music musician for a little while, made hundreds of dollars. get
00:47:13
Speaker
At room 180. The entire time. Yeah. Playing the same three Lynchburg venues. Dude, Harrisonburg had some fun shows, though. I remember like some of the roughest shows I ever went to were in Harrisonburg.
00:47:27
Speaker
Do remember what it means? I can't remember what it's called. I can never remember what it's called. But it was like a Mexican restaurant on one side, and then the other side, they would clear out the floor, and it was like a venue. And we saw Darkest and...
00:47:43
Speaker
darkest hour and There was like a local band at the time that was like kind of in between local and like getting signed to a decent label called, uh, ah Ghost of a Fallen Age.
00:47:55
Speaker
hey And so we would just go anywhere that Ghost of a Fallen Age was playing, basically. But yeah, it was very fun. We drove a long ways and lied on our sign-out sheets to to go to shows there. We went to quite a few. Lied on the sign-out.
00:48:11
Speaker
You couldn't go. you our curfew at Liberty was 10 p.m. Unless it was a Friday or Saturday night. Then we got to stay up till 11. Yeah. that The only, so the only acceptable sign out location was like an adult married couples house.
00:48:27
Speaker
Uh, they had to be married, uh, no singles, no divorce dads. Uh, you can't, nothing cool, you know? Um, So everyone had like that fake couple that, you know, that they'd put down like, oh yeah, I got these, they they they live in the area. You put their name down and you always just give them your friend's number and they'd be like, yeah, he's here.
00:48:51
Speaker
No follow up. No, like, hey, can you put him on the phone then? he's Like, it's actually, he's got really bad diarrhea right now. He's taking a massive shit. Yeah. You might be in there all night. i don't know.
00:49:06
Speaker
Yeah. Try, try back in 15 minutes. Oh, he's still there. i said I just, I just call all night. You actually just keep the charade going. you tab Keeps happening.
00:49:17
Speaker
You didn't. You're calling. now you're calling I think your calling is giving him diarrhea every time. and so It's wild. is um All right.
00:49:29
Speaker
I don't know if you found anything, Casey, but Christian
Advice on Christian Dating Forums
00:49:33
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dating. We've been so we've been spending some time on Christian dating lately, ah going through – Are you guys like – catfishing the abs yeah well we're just gonna jump in and give bad advice yeah we kind of decided we're gonna do like a ying and yang thing where i jump in and tell them that like uh they're they're on a their foundation is made of sand and they need to just dump the person right away sam's gonna jump in and tell them that like it's better to just get married
00:50:07
Speaker
than to be tempted to sin, you know? So we just give the polar opposite advice and then take bets on. but yeah And then just argue with people on Reddit until we get banned from the subreddit. You're unequally yoked.
00:50:22
Speaker
Yes. all but You got to pull out all the stops, all the buzzwords. Yeah. um did they Actually, you can fix it.
00:50:33
Speaker
ah But yeah, so as we've been looking through that, it's just bringing back a flood of memories about what it was like ah talking about relationships, considering relationships um and like how, yeah, just how wild it is to, to wrap up so much of your younger years with conversations about like,
00:50:57
Speaker
purity and courtship and like, yeah you know, all the Christian language that surrounds dating and like all the weird rules of like, Well, you can't be alone together. Don't be alone in a car with a girl because then you might be tempted to pull over and just do it in the backseat as total virgins and like, like all this weird stuff. Did you guys, uh, let's talk like a high school days of dating.
00:51:23
Speaker
Did you guys have like any inner turmoil over, um, over a relationship or potential relationship where you guys spend a lot of time, like talking about those kinds of things and,
00:51:36
Speaker
and and its impact on you or did you guys not care we you're gonna be like no we didn't care at all we just thought we just thought not necessarily in i didn't date anyone in high school nice but i mean definitely had i mean had the whole purity culture thing uh yeah down packed you know yeah yeah uh ah the The joke between some of my friends is a this thing called the church fingers.
00:52:09
Speaker
um So it's because you were ah you guys anything but Christians. and did anything but Christians.
00:52:24
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um
00:52:27
Speaker
So it's just it's just the idea that like the best sex you can have is with someone that grew up Christian and was a virgin until they were like 24 because they were just, since it's all about the foreplay or whatever, were just finger blasting for years.
00:52:44
Speaker
ah just Just always pretty. Yeah.
00:52:54
Speaker
you, Logan?
00:52:57
Speaker
Did you have – I mean other than all the finger blasting, did you – Did you get wrapped up in that? Like did that cause you any sort of headaches or anything like that? A little bit. I mean it was – I didn't have any super – had kind of like a long distance-ish relationship in like high school. Dude, those are the safest ones. Good for you, man. i appreciate When you're at that age, like there's not a whole lot happening. So there wasn't a whole lot of conversation there.
00:53:21
Speaker
you know I definitely was like stressing about like what was appropriate and how to be – make sure I wasn't crossing any lines, but of course you're like 14 and you'd love to just cross every line. Yeah.
00:53:34
Speaker
yeah I don't know. FaceTime at the time, you know, wasn't true. i don't remember how sleepy video chats yeah I don't remember having any like super long, you know, in-depth conversations with like a girlfriend at the time or anything. It was never too like, yeah. Yeah.
00:53:53
Speaker
That's because you guys were so far from temptation that it wasn't even on your radar to have conversations about it. And I respect that. Right. Thank you. Thank you. I do wonder, like, do you think that anyone, like, I guess it'd be more of a Catholic thing, but do you think that anyone has ever used the term finger blasting in a confessional booth?
00:54:14
Speaker
it They have. Definitely. It must have happened at least once.
00:54:21
Speaker
It's only to be done ironically, right? You go in, you're like, forgive me, Father Fry, I've sinned. I was like, you know, it's like some middle school twerp.
00:54:33
Speaker
Something gross is happening in a confessional booth, no matter what. That's like at any given time, if there's more than four cars parked in a Sonic parking lot at the monitors, one of them is getting a handjob.
00:54:48
Speaker
It's just the rule of averages. Yeah.
00:54:54
Speaker
Is that why it takes so long eat your food at Sonic sometimes? That's why they can't wear roller skates anymore because they're approaching the vehicles too fast. It's indecent.
00:55:07
Speaker
You're seeing too much stuff. Oh, I thought you meant if there's four people parked there, one of the people who's working there is getting the handjob. That's not what you meant. that's kind of what I was thinking. What through the window?
00:55:19
Speaker
Yeah. They just, they don't care. A couple, a couple of sick puppies in here. They're like, Oh, it's only four cars. We get time for one more. ah Yeah. you Imagine being like, uh, like, uh, uh,
00:55:36
Speaker
ah a waiter on roller skates with a whole tray full of milkshakes and just like crashing into a side of the into the side of a car where somebody is getting a hand job.
00:55:46
Speaker
Yeah. right Your boss is going to fire you and it's like, this wasn't me. This is their mess. Okay. In my defense.
00:55:58
Speaker
Oh, man. Oh, man. ah So I did find a couple of good Christian dating posts. You guys want to you want to ah take a little nibble here?
00:56:10
Speaker
I'd like to hear you guys' as maybe takes on some of these. See maybe what you would suggest they do to keep their walk with the Lord nice and tight. The first one is, this is a tough one, okay?
00:56:23
Speaker
um I'm dating a religious non-Christian is the title. It says, long story short so braing oppe already long story short, I'm dating a Muslim woman who said she doesn't practice anymore, but still prays and all that.
00:56:38
Speaker
I know we clash in this area of our relationship. I've asked her to come to my church a few times, not only to hear the truth, but also it's just an awesome experience. And every time she blows me off.
00:56:49
Speaker
What should I do? and It's an awesome. It's just so much fun. I can't even imagine why someone wouldn't like spending their Sunday morning there. The person, the language that this person uses, ah not only to hear the truth, but also because it's just an awesome experience.
00:57:08
Speaker
How old could this person be? They got to be young, right? Yeah. Yeah. yeah I want to think so, but like some people also never grow up.
00:57:20
Speaker
I think they might be dealing with that situation. Freshly in college. Yeah. It's got to be. If this was a 30-something-year-old person, that would be insane. Yeah. Hey, you'd be surprised.
00:57:33
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, they exist for sure. I think that, um I mean, already we know what some of the advice is going to be, right? a It seems pretty uniform from where I'm standing here. but So the first one is just an emoji of a man running away.
00:57:54
Speaker
Nice. is How do we know he's running away and not running to her ever loving grasp? Well, he's running to the to the left. Yeah. There's got to be some significance of that yeah well Wait, running to the left?
00:58:09
Speaker
Yeah That feels like you're running away from God I feel like though there were two I'm thinking about skits and stuff right now It's like hell is to the left Oh yeah so maybe you're right He's interjected some confusion into the mix here yeah Going to the right would have been better Maybe Apple doesn't have that emoji That's the problem with trying to communicate through emojis, right? There's souls on the line and this guy's fucking around and I don't love that. yeah Agreed. Next one says, you know what to do.
00:58:41
Speaker
Stop dating them and find a Christian woman. Who, uh, does anyone in the top five comments, uh, pull out the terrorism card? Well, here's a pretty, this one's a little more detailed.
00:58:54
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Praying for you. Run! If you have learned anything from reading the Bible, assume you have read, is that is that we are not to flirt to convert.
00:59:05
Speaker
It never worked out well. and I haven't heard that one before and I love it. I can't wait. I have heard that one before, but I think it's been probably like 17 years. I always, ah we always called it missionary dating.
00:59:19
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, right. You guys know anything about the children of God cult? um Sounds familiar. I feel like I've talked about it before, but it's an icky one.
00:59:30
Speaker
yeah But it actually got pretty big. It's still around. It's called the Family International, I think is what they call it now. But they had this concept that the leader, the leader is just this David Berg. David Berg is his name. And he's just a disgusting, perverted old pedophile.
00:59:49
Speaker
And he introduced this idea called flirty fishing into the church doctors. Flirty fishing. All right. And it was basically like, The women in the church, married women, all that stuff.
01:00:02
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we're We're supposed to go out and basically like be promiscuous and and collect men through through sexual contact and bring them back to the church in that way. That was like actual church policy. They wrote like comic books detailing how to do it and stuff. Crazy. We need to find we need to get one of those comic books.
01:00:25
Speaker
yeah I think you could probably get put on a list for having one of their comics. He was a big pedophile.
01:00:35
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That's something else. ah That's a different take on ah becoming all things to all people so that they may come to know the Lord. I think it's a little bit of a twist on Paul's words there.
01:00:49
Speaker
Do you think they use these Christian dating apps in that course? Oh, no. They have their own. Boy, that would make it so much easier. like Yeah. You would think that that would really...
01:01:00
Speaker
pull people in. Maybe they're on sniffies now. I see it. I was thinking this is going that was, you were going to go in like a blackmail direction, you know, don't to like not have the women sin, but like to try to, you reel them in. Right. And then, um, like then you, you get them, maybe you get them naked, you get them in a room alone, you do that whole thing. And then you just, someone sneaks out and start snapping some pictures. And you're like, if you don't start coming to our church, we're going to tell you. Yeah.
01:01:32
Speaker
Yeah. Family. You know, just attracting the best members. Yeah. Fear. Fear is ah the best form of control, man. i don't know. That's how they operate.
01:01:44
Speaker
So this person goes on to say, we are not to flirt to convert. It never worked out well. In fact, because they ignored God in this area, they ended up following the traditions of the pagan religions and sacrificed their own children to the pagan god Molech.
01:02:00
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If she still prays, she still practices. ah Then he says, are you saved? Have you accepted that Jesus is your Lord and Savior? When you have these concerns, he quotes 2 Corinthians.
01:02:13
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Remember, we fight against principalities, not flesh and blood. Spiritual warfare is real. In fact, 99% of the things in our life are affected by spiritual warfare. This guy has a lot of blanket statements and sta statistics yeah on on call.
01:02:30
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I'd like to fact check that. Get familiar with it. In fact, there is a few minute video about spiritual warfare that I have sent to others with great response.
01:02:41
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Just look up spiritual warfare. Strange things can happen when you are under attack. It will certainly open your eyes. I feel like we've seen that recommended in another comment section on this forum.
01:02:55
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Yeah, I don't recall, him but I feel like we should watch that. Probably. I love spiritual warfare stuff um because it's just like there's nothing to it. Like there's it's just like baseless claims about benign things and their connection to Satan. It's really cool stuff.
01:03:16
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, it's a blast.
01:03:22
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here's ah Here's a nice one. ah Drop her, of course. Be nice about it. Then he says, this is a statement. One of the major tenets of Islam is how well one can lie to further their religion. What?
01:03:39
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shut
01:03:43
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Oh my God, that's rough. The fact that she does not want to so much as visit a church is a red flag, but one that means anything anyway, since you cannot be with a non-Christian.
01:03:57
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That is, um it's a wild claim coming from a Christian, especially. Yeah. okay
01:04:05
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I've seen a lot of ah misleading, misleading people to Christ, if you will. You don't think that he's been to a mosque before? No. yeah Yeah. Seems unlikely.
01:04:18
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Yeah. I went to one once. um It was a very interesting experience.
Challenges of Christian Dating
01:04:24
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That's all. I won't say anything else about it. yeah yeah Good story. i I tread lightly. ah I talk about what I know most of the time.
01:04:35
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Yeah. So that one's a, that one is universal consensus on what to do. Everybody seems to be in agreement. That was a clear direction that one was going.
01:04:46
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um Did you guys have friends who were dating unequal, who are unequally yoked in their dating life? And did that cause you any concern? Yeah, I think I did. think of That's crazy. did you I feel like this is such a big concern of well to dump the person.
01:05:04
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Or I mean, I think i i I had moments when I was like in early stages with like dating people that weren't Christians. And I was like struggling with that myself. Yeah. You know, it's right with guilt.
01:05:15
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Can I do this or not? i was like. And then maybe they would express interest in like, oh, maybe this is a cool thing. I was like, cool. i was I was I was I was flirting to convert.
01:05:27
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Yeah. Did you did you guys did you ever save any or sorry, Christ through you? Was anyone ever saved? I know.
01:05:39
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Hell yeah. Same here. That's called. um We refer to that as the Christian body count. What's your Christian body count? yeah yeah And I had a conversion rate of zero as well.
01:05:52
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So, Casey, I don't think you were super successful. Now, well, you have to know non-Christians to really succeed.
01:06:02
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And being that's the entire point of youth group and and Christian school is to keep you away from bad kids that aren't Christians. You know, like I didn't know many.
01:06:13
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Uh, man, Christian dating, it's fun. It's, fun it's nice to see see that things haven't changed. Um, and people are still having the same conversations and dealing with the same, the same challenges that we did. I, it's kind of a rite of passage, uh, despite maybe the long lasting negative impact it has on you and your relationships for the rest of your life.
01:06:33
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Um, but enough about all that. Um, um I feel like we should do some ah T and H talk. Is that what you guys, is that what you guys call it that's what we do now.
01:06:48
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Cool. Yeah. yeah Cool. That's such a catchy term. Yeah, T&H Talk. Yeah, that could be your podcast. You could do... it was the podcast That's your ah your little mini-series. Just do one episode per song.
01:07:04
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ah Put it behind a paywall. ah People can get it for free when they order the album. um Do people order albums? I don't know. ah Probably not.
01:07:14
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ands Every once in a while, there will be a notification that someone bought it on Bandcamp for like $5. Yeah, they that must make you feel so good, though.
01:07:25
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it's ah it's We're in weird times for putting out music. But ah no, ah guys, ah the name of the album is phenomenal.
Tan and Handsome's New Album
01:07:34
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ah Too Tan, Too Handsome.
01:07:37
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And it it's as the name is as phenomenal as the album itself. So big... Thank you. Congratulations for putting out such a banger. It's just like, it's just straight heat all the way through. And I, that's, it's the kind of music i honestly miss.
01:07:54
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um I feel like you guys, I, I don't, I don't, I don't know if you guys find it harder to find new music as you get older and you kind of get trapped in your lane or whatever, but.
01:08:07
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um Every once in a while you hear something and it's like, that's the shit. i was it's It's the Lincoln Park of my 17-year-old self, you know, where you just go like, that's what I needed. I didn't know I needed that. um And so I feel like what you guys are doing is a sound that is – ah it's just like, it's just really in your face and thrashy and melodic. And it and she kind of just hits all those bases that I feel like music hasn't hit for me in a while, um which is why I find myself not listening to as much heavy music. And I think you guys kind of just hit this...
01:08:42
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like perfectly hit this, ah this lane of like, kind of just checking all those boxes for me. So I've been listening to it a ton. And I keep telling everyone I know to listen to it because I think it's absolutely fantastic.
01:08:57
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Oh, yeah. That's awesome to hear. Yeah. No one knows what to say. Huh? No one knows what to say after I blow a bunch of smoke up their ass, but I i always like to do it here and there. Yeah. I mean, how, how you described it is exactly what we were going for. So that's, I like that.
01:09:13
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I got that right because I feel like when I try to parse out anything genre wise, it's like, ah like i'm i don't ah genres change and evolve so much that I'm like, I don't know. How do I describe this and not get it wrong?
01:09:28
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So that way someone who knows what they're talking about is just like, actually, man, you don't. It's more like this. it's like And then they just throw in a bunch of obscure terms that I'm not familiar with. but yeah Yeah.
01:09:43
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I think you can listen to it and like tell what we're tell what we're going for. and like I'm not trying to say it's like... something wildly unique like i mean you could you could tell what it is it's stuff that people have done before but you know not necessarily the kind of thing that is always like the most popular right now but we always just wanted to make stuff that we were stoked about and stuff that sounded like stuff we would want to listen to um even if it's not necessarily like following the popular trend or something um not Not trying to say we're doing anything like crazy radical, obviously, but um yeah we've we've been really stoked on like kind of where we've been able to take things. I appreciate y'all checking it out and kind words and everything. Yeah, it's a very fun album.
01:10:30
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It's a fun listen. and tell when people are doing music that they want to do versus just like, Oh, how do we, and how do we sound like X, Y, and Z or whatever? And it, I feel like that's something that, you know, obviously people of all ages can make music, but I, and do it wonderfully, but, um,
Current Music Trends
01:10:50
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I don't know. I think there's like that there's a there the the music trends, right, that go really hard um are tough for me sometimes. Like I think of like, I'm going to name some great bands, so don't I'm not shitting on these bands at all. but like And so I don't even think they're trying to always copy each other. It's just there's swells, right? It's like i i named my i named i named my son, my ah my second child, a name that I thought was like, oh, this is like unique. And then you go, oh, there's like now that he's like eight and in school. And it's like, oh, there's like a lot of people who have that name. Like, I don't know why there's swells that people like move in and a lane, like independent of each other. And it it can have some similarities. So,
01:11:38
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um But like you think of like the metal core shift of like your invent animate kind of style of like, like the big production sound like the, and there's like where I go, I go, it's like, you know, it's super good. But like, then you hear like all these other bands that kind of have a similar vibe. And I I don't know.
01:11:58
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I don't, I recognize that it's good, but it's not like, you know, when music just has that factor that just catches you. You're like, this is but greater than some of its parts for me. And I go, ah Yes, I'm into it. I'm feeling it.
01:12:09
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um And that could be some unknown reason why too. But ah no I don't ah know. To me, what you guys put out feels really unique at this time in music. And um ah that's part of why I love sending it the direction of other people. And why I can't wait to see you guys play. I feel like, Chris, add what, I've missed your last 17 shows that come out by this way.
01:12:36
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yeah
01:12:39
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but you guys have a little tour uh coming up uh this it should this should be a yeah this will be out before that starts um in september and into october right uh no i got that so so so we we have a tour with a band called stay lost yeah that's coming up it's just that's only just like a week okay yeah um And yeah, that one we're we're just going like south.
Upcoming Tour excitement
01:13:06
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Okay. so Southeast. Yeah. Doing like we're doing Knoxville, Tuscaloosa, Alabama. I think it's Tuscaloosa. Tuscaloosa.
01:13:17
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I think it's the name. Mobile, Panama City, Florida, Gainesville, Florida. Tuscaloosa and then mobile. Yeah, yeah, here yeah.
01:13:32
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You want to help him out, Casey? i free you with it Mobile and Tuscaloosa. Okay, okay, okay. That's right. Okay. that's right again great That's right. got I'm sure there's a little man that pronounced mobile.
01:13:48
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I want to argue that mobile is grammatically correct, no matter what anyone else would say. Because your mobile phone, no, your mobile phone, your mobile phone, but it all depends on you're talking about. Because you're not going to call it your mobile phone.
01:14:02
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It sounds British. Your mobile phone. um My friends always make fun of me of, how I say the word w o n one you say it Casey I say Juan Juan just you that's J J U A N gotcha yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah its it's just great yeah we have yet to find another one that says it incorrectly mean I got it from my mother because I heard her say it the other day I was like That's what it is.
01:14:32
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Yeah. Like a generational speech impediment. I think it's like split between my brothers. Like half of us it like one way. have And then how do you, okay. How do you just quickly? Sorry about how do you say cramps? Say what?
01:14:47
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Say, ah okay. A wax coloring device. How would you say that? I say crown, which is dumb. I would say crayon.
01:14:59
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Crayon? Yeah, I feel like I'm in the same boat. I say crayons. And my wife's like, they're crayons. Crayons. Crayons. The one that I used to get some shit for was P-O-P-C-O-R-N. I actually had to think about spelling that.
01:15:19
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Popcorn? Yeah. Wait, what? How did you say popcorn differently? I guess... but i guess i I get like that.
01:15:30
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i I, I, it's hard to to do it. Cause I'm like thinking about it now, but popcorn, popcorn. Yeah. And those people just like, are you saying popcorn, popcorn?
01:15:42
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I'm like, yeah, popcorn. but yeah In my mind, I was like, how could you ever get that wrong? Popcorn. I don't know. i I don't think I say it weird. I'm not convinced I do. I think I get a pass from most people. I've only been called out on it like twice in my life, so okay it's fine. but O-R-A-N-G-E.
01:16:02
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How do you say that? Orange is? There's no S. Oh, I thought you put an S on that. Orange. and I feel like you and I have the same sort of ah fat tongue speech impediment. Like that's how I say it too, is orange.
01:16:16
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Just cut out. Orange. Nope. Don't worry too much about it. Orange. Trying to save time. We're just abbreviating every word. What's that episode of the office? Is it an episode of the office where Kevin tries to abbreviate everything to save time?
01:16:31
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Oh yeah. And it, and it takes, it just takes everything 10 times longer to know what he's talking about because no one can follow what he's doing. Yeah. Why say more words when you work a trick?
01:16:43
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What a classic episode. um And you guys have a not officially announced tour yet coming up as well. Yeah.
01:16:55
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I'm letting you can say something. I don't, I don't want to like, I don't want him to speak with. Yeah. yeah So there's a, there is the gray Haven headliner that they're going to have us on.
01:17:07
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a few dates on the only one that's been announced is Richmond so far. Okay. But we've been in talks about doing more and like, so the the plan from my understanding, it's like getting thrown to the booking agent to see what happens would gotcha.
01:17:23
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Like five dates from the 12th to the 16th of November. Okay. Or at least like a few shows in between there. And one of those would be at the Palladium if that one comes through.
01:17:36
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so yeah. So we're just figuring out which ones will actually be on. um All of them would be sick, but it's like, yeah, we don't know for sure ah which ones. If you had to pick like we're going to be on, if you had pick like one band each that like would be just you'd be ecstatic if he got to tour with who would it be?
01:17:57
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um I mean, already Greyhaven because there are buds and yeah, our favorite friend band for sure. Yeah.
01:18:09
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I don't know. It's a tough one because I think it's changed so much for me over the years. Like, you know,
Dream Bands to Tour With
01:18:14
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I've had like these, I've definitely had bucket list bands. Like when I was, you know, I don't know, probably like 14.
01:18:21
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You can just say Skillet. No one's going to be upset. Yeah. Well, it was definitely, it was MXPX for a long time was like my, like, that would be the the biggest deal. And then Under Oath for a long time.
01:18:34
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haven't really thought about that in a while. Be fun to open for that new Katy Perry tour. Yeah, for sure.
01:18:43
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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I feel like. yeah I mean, I think. Yeah. Go ahead. Well, as you say, the things that come to mind that I'd be most stoked for right now are like, you know, bands that we've played with that we know like Grey Haven or like Callous Dow Boys, bands like that, that we, you know, it would just be a blast to, you know, do some more shows with some of those kinds of bands.
01:19:07
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Yeah, no, they're they're great. See you, Space Cowboy. our wait. Oh, wait. Are they toast? Yeah. Yeah. yeah they would i think me I think it was our fault. I think it was our fault. We had AJ on, and then they went belly up like five days later.
01:19:24
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but Yeah. It was so funny. I was so stoked that that interview came out with you guys because I was so stoked you guys got connected and stuff. I had listened to the interview, and then, yeah, literally like a week later, was just like, boom.
01:19:37
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It happens so fast. I've never seen a band get torpedoed that quickly. That cool that kid was cool, too. I liked him. He's funny. Yeah, he is great.
01:19:48
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Yeah, I got to hang out with him ah again post that because he was filling in for Greyhaven. Oh, sick. For their
Social Media Backlash
01:19:55
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Canada dates that I was doing merch for couple months ago, so.
01:19:59
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Yeah. Well, hopefully he gets something in the works on a more permanent basis soon, if that's what he wants. Maybe he's enjoying the break, but... I think he is kind of enjoying the break a little bit, but... Yeah.
01:20:10
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um I want to see him do Yeah, I feel like... See your friends do shit. there was There was something like that going on with... um Oh, that artist we were talking to. we We could have done the same thing again if ah if we would have gotten Ethel Kane on because now she's under fire for like, i don't know, some sort of racist tweets or something like that.
01:20:34
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Oh, yeah. There was like, I think it was some... shit she posted on like tumblr in high school high school or something like that no that was a weird one and i've i have not been able to hear back since that happened um but still working on it i'm not gonna let that one go but but yeah yeah that one was uh weird it's a very because someone like i made a very calculated effort to amass as much personal information from her as they could.
01:21:08
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And then like, they essentially were like, waited to, I think there was maybe even a potential like blackmail issue on that too. I, I have to reread the the statement, but the statement sound like it, like she knew at some point people, this was like that this information was had by somebody and it was probably going to make its way out.
01:21:28
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I feel like i so I don't know all the details of exactly like what she's in trouble for, but the statement that she made on it after the fact, I thought was pretty good.
01:21:41
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I mean, I thought it was as good a statement as you can make because it's not like and, you know, when people just like go hard with the apologies and they just sound it's like, look, I don't know what you want me to apologize for. I did everything I could to scrub that shit from the Internet because it was wrong and stupid.
01:21:56
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Like, I don't, what do you want me to do? It's supposed to be gone. Someone wanted to make it not gone. So like they're, i mean, the really the problems with them at this point, like, so i don't know. I thought, i thought a response to it was really well, like well done.
01:22:12
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It does seem like, Well, we're going to get canceled for my abortion tweet since I mentioned it. wasn' pretty yeah once ah Yeah, maybe maybe are going to take another band.
01:22:24
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What if for the kiss of death for bands? Like what if this is like that that one space like retail space in the strip mall that like has had 40 different restaurants in it over the past 10 years?
01:22:37
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I'm waiting for things to like really pop off for you guys and then I'm going to blackmail you with that. Just cut out a little clip. Yeah. he have the thing I have a new Twitter, so I can't even get into that Twitter.
01:22:51
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So there's no way of me deleting it. yeah It just exists. Every stupid thing you said exists forever. I started going through like whenever you get like every day for like a year and you get like the Facebook memories of like, here's what you said at 17 years ago, i started archiving and deleting like every like every day I would check and be like, well, let's get rid of that one. i don't need that in my life.
01:23:15
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Yeah. Yeah. Somebody needs to hit the way, way back machine and take a look at your profile, I guess, huh? Mine? Yeah. ah It's pretty cleaned up at this point.
01:23:28
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I don't still have my open letters to people about how to solve racism floating around there. So...
Final Thanks & Shoutouts
01:23:36
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who I stand beside that. Casey had some pretty hot, tap I found it. Uh, we found, it was like, uh, he tagged me in like, you know, what people are like a colorblind kind of thing. Just being and like, don't see race at all. Kind kind of like that. Yeah.
01:23:51
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It was, if people just didn't take themselves so seriously, the racism would go away. Yeah. Um, That was my long, that was the long and short of my opinions on how to solve racism. It's like, but I should just be able laugh at themselves a little bit.
01:24:07
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But I, yeah, I i got a memory. It was just like, you were tagged in this note. And I was like, I should surprise Casey with this on the podcast and just read him his own words back to and see how he feels about him today. It was really fun actually.
01:24:22
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But it's awesome. Yeah. Anyway, thank you guys so much for joining us. It's fun to have you back on, Chris. Nice to meet you, Logan. Yeah, thank you. It's been great.
01:24:34
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Where can people find your music? um On all the things. Yeah. take an Feels like an obligatory question, I guess, at point.
01:24:49
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youtube You guys make fantastic merch, too. I i also want to shout out the merch. If anyone wants like just fun, good-ass... like make merch great again kind of merch, head over to Tan Handsome's website. Don't say that. don't like that. No, sorry.
01:25:10
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We're doing better than that.
01:25:14
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No, I understand why you would take it away. I'm saying you guys are making merch great again. I'm being genuinely honest. um I want shirt with that. Yeah, we just like making some dumb shit for our merch. And it's like, yeah.
01:25:27
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Please don't stop. Every once in a while, someone's just like, should we make a serious shirt? And we're like, fuck no. We have three more dumb ideas. so This Wienermobile shirt rules. Yeah, the Wienermobile one, that one's phenomenal.
01:25:46
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Man. Well... but Yeah, everybody go check out Tan Handsome's new album, Too Tan, Too Handsome. Keep an eye out for them coming to a city near you, and we will see you next time.