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E109: UK Invasion
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Today I'm joined by Toby Murrill since Jerid is out again. The good news... there's ZERO golf talk this episode. You're welcome.
Your hosts:
Denis Tyrell of Tyrell Knifeworks:
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Website: https://www.murrillforge.co.uk/
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Transcript
Introduction and Co-host Announcement
00:00:15
Speaker
Hey everyone, welcome, welcome to the Triple T for Knife Makers podcast. I am Dennis Terrell of Terrell Knifeworks and this week Jared is off ignoring us in some other state so I have the one and only Toby Merle, formerly from Toby Fire and Steel and the Fire and Steel podcast, ah joining me as a
Toby's Online Presence and Security Measures
00:00:36
Speaker
co-host today. Toby, how are you?
00:00:38
Speaker
I'm bloody marvelous, mate. How are you? I'm good. I love the mix of UK and Australian accent. Not not formally. um Still Toby Fire and Steel on YouTube, but formerly of the Fire and Steel podcast. You are right. It is dead.
00:00:53
Speaker
Yeah, I was i was wondering, do i do I, because don't you have a Merle Forge Instagram? I'm like, do i need to start like contacting you on that instead? Yeah, because I might kill that Instagram page at some point. You are probably right. Yeah, I figured you would.
00:01:06
Speaker
Yeah, or my personal one. Yeah. But how you been? ah I'm good. I'm good. i've um I've just spent the last four hours quickly trying to get a gate erected around the side of my house. We we have heating oil here and ah with the whole Iran thing, the prices have gone through the roof and people are getting their oil stolen.
00:01:27
Speaker
so Really? oh yeah. People are just pulling out front of people's houses, cutting a hole in the top and just pumping fuel out of the ah tops of their tanks. So I've just put a big gate up because you can see mine from the road, which I
Oil Prices and Security Concerns
00:01:40
Speaker
wasn't happy about.
00:01:40
Speaker
So it's a big, what, they don't think to just loosen the cap or what? I'd lock on it. And so i see it yeah ah like I remember last year seeing one of these happen. It always happens when the prices go up and the, and the travelers get involved, but they sometimes they'll just drill a hole, like a two inch hole through the side of the tank and they're bundled. So there's a, there's a tank in a tank.
00:02:02
Speaker
So in theory, if you ever have a leak on the inner tank, it can't leak into the environment. Yeah. but they'll just drill right through both of them and then just stick a hose in there just start the pump running. But you don't lose the rest of your oil into the bund or in into the ground. They don't care about the rest of your tank and about you having to buying another tank.
00:02:20
Speaker
So yeah, they they're not that worried about padlocks. So I'll put a gate up. Apart from that, I'm good. Wow. That's the first I've heard of ah like...
00:02:33
Speaker
home heating oil being stolen. That's crazy. Yeah. Well, it's right now it's one about one pound 50 a liter and, and, and two, a week and a half ago, it was 52 P a liter.
00:02:45
Speaker
So it's three times. You're talking like a totally different language to me. 52 pounds. Yeah. I can't do the math on that. I think 52p is like 70 cents a liter or something. But that's not bad. Yeah. Actually, that's gasoline prices. Three times that.
00:02:56
Speaker
Yeah. Three times that currently.
Cultural References and Hobbies
00:02:58
Speaker
It went up in a few days. Oh, okay. Yeah. Because I remember paying like 70 cents Canadian in a gallon for gasoline. Sorry, a liter for gasoline when like, you know, in my 20s.
00:03:12
Speaker
During the war. what during the war during the war asshole you wouldn't have that tv show did you have um did you have only fools and horses never heard of it right only fools and horses was an absolute classic british tv show it's got del boy and rodney you must have heard of del boy drives around a no three-wheeler robin reliant um that that says try to like their last name's trotters and anyway, and he's, and, and, and the, great and they, every time granddad speaks, they'd be like during, or he would go during the war. And, and that, and so they always say it. So now it's a thing in people in England, someone as old as you, but when someone talks. As old as me, how old do you think i am? ah At least a hundred. and Anyone older than you, if they say, if they say, i back when I was young, you have to say during the war. Yeah.
00:04:05
Speaker
All the English people or people who have got English parents will know exactly what I'm talking about. Yeah. Well, just for, you know, I was born after the Vietnam war. So yeah, I'm talking about world war one or world war two.
00:04:20
Speaker
Oh man. So what do you do with yourself lately? Now that he's got no podcast to do. Well, you think you'd think it'd give me loads of spare time, wouldn't you? But, um you know, it's really only one night.
00:04:32
Speaker
And yeah essential essentially that one night was going to go into a couple of different things. I've started leatherworking recently. i've started recovering Bibles. And so it was either going to be for recovery or Bible study.
Podcasting Platforms and Technical Challenges
00:04:46
Speaker
So um I've only had one of those days and I can't remember what happened, but neither of those things happened.
00:04:52
Speaker
So it's, but I'm sure it will happen eventually. I'll get i'll get on it. Yeah. And I see Chris and Honor are starting another podcast. It's so funny, isn't it? I want to know who's going to be doing the technical stuff because that was always you. So which one of those two is going to do that? So the reason they offered, the reason they decided to do one is because somebody offered to do all of that for them. Oh, okay. I knew it had to be something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Some random wasn't going to charge them to edit and all that stuff. But they've just found, have you heard of Riverside?
00:05:28
Speaker
uh the podcasting platform yes yeah i i don't know much about it but i've heard of it right so it's a game changer they they're using that and not only does it do uh loads of kind of snippet videos for you um without from what i could tell from out any extra charge it'll edit it you can upload it directly from there to spotify or whatever you want to do it and then You don't have to take the two audio streams and and do them separately. It will do all the balancing. It does AI sound like clear up. Like so any background noise and it clears all that up live, like while you're talking.
00:06:03
Speaker
So if you had a fan on in the background, you'd flick the button on that said like clean up the background noise and I would stop hearing the fan and stop recording it. Apparently it's it's incredible, but they've been putting videos up the last little while of them chatting and they're all generated by the AI built in.
00:06:19
Speaker
So interesting. Yeah. So man, Zencast is dead.
00:06:25
Speaker
Zencast definitely has some issues. Yeah. Oh, dude. but we We used to just some weeks. Well, you must know what it is. Some weeks you just lose your mind. You you just you just for forever. Silly little issues.
00:06:36
Speaker
And then the next week it'd be fine. Yeah. it It does not do a good job of balancing audio. It's terrible. Like 90% of the time I don't have to edit the show. I just...
00:06:48
Speaker
You know, we're just good to go. And then like that one in 10 time, I have to download it, take it to GarageBand on my Mac and like play with the levels. And yeah, but anyway, audience probably doesn't care and doesn't want to know about it. so um But i wonder I wonder how expensive Riverside is.
00:07:09
Speaker
They're on a free trial currently, but knowing those two, won't be very expensive because they're both cheapskates. Chris is a cheapskate outside of his car at or that's about it I think. And Honor's a cheapskate out and out. He's a cheapskate.
00:07:24
Speaker
So I can't imagine it being mad money, but you know, Zencastr, uh costs and then what does Zencast the cost can't remember now it's 20 bucks a month 20 bucks right and then I'm I was doing all our editing on Audition so and on the Adobe suite so I would download every week put it in balance everything all that sort of stuff so I was I'm paying another 30 or 35 pounder for that per month so it's got to be cheaper than that I would have said Yeah, I would imagine. Yeah, and again, i don't I use the free software on Mac, and that that end of it I only did like 5% of the time. So it didn't 5% or 10% of the time.
00:08:07
Speaker
But only when, yeah, and lately Zencaster's been messing up the the the board track that has the intro and all the sound effects, and like it's misaligning it. But as soon as I download it,
00:08:22
Speaker
It's fine.
Workshop Equipment and Techniques
00:08:23
Speaker
Yeah, that's fine. It pisses me off.
00:08:27
Speaker
But yeah, podcast woes. Cool. as You're probably asking about knife making when you ask, or at least workshop stuff when you ask what I've been doing as opposed to a gate. Yeah, yeah we'll get around to that.
00:08:40
Speaker
Have you spent much time in the shop lately? Yeah, a whole week. Last week I spent the entire week with, you know AJ from Sweet Chop Forge? I mean, i I don't know him. I've never met him, but I hear you guys talk about him all the time. He's, he's absolute dude. He, he's, uh, whenever I need a second set of hands or a third set of hands, cause my boy does a lot of stuff with me.
00:08:59
Speaker
He's, he lives far five hours away and he's like, yeah, I'll come down. And so he just jumps in the car and drives down and sleeps in our spare room. And, uh, been, we've been fabricating a 4.1 meter bench, a steel bench for my, my forging press and and my two fly presses.
00:09:19
Speaker
Um, you have two fly presses. Yeah, I've got a six ton and a three ton. And three tons is just used for putting my maker's mark in. Okay. Yeah, so it's just a little baby.
00:09:30
Speaker
But the six ton, I'd use it for everything, straightening stuff out and doing, like pressing out the coffee scoops and but what whatever I want to you make another tool for, i'll I'll use it. But beautiful old Australian thing it is I'll never get rid of that one.
00:09:45
Speaker
Yeah. Do you know Eliard Blacksmith on- Jason L.A., yeah. Yeah. LRD, LRD. Yeah. He uses, he's a fly press for like all his Damascus.
00:09:58
Speaker
dude Dude. So the funny thing is he looks like a, he looks like a sort of hunky man now, young man. But when he started, he was like a 15 year old kid. And so you'd watch him on some of his old videos on that fly press and he's entire body weight would be required. He'd literally swing off the handle to be. I i remember. yeah Now he's got some muscle on him and that, because he's done been doing this for years.
00:10:20
Speaker
But the funny thing is he's been offered power hammers and um I won't say the person's name because I don't want to get anyone in trouble, but there's a relatively well-known power hammer dealer and he frequently writes so used to write on those videos and be like, oh man, we've got to sort out something. We'll get you power hammer. And he's like, i don't know how many times got tell you, I don't want a power hammer.
00:10:39
Speaker
I'm happy to do He just loves it. He just genuinely enjoys using it. and I honestly think it, it, his Damascus is so symmetrical and he gets, and I think it's from forging it slowly.
00:10:53
Speaker
And you know, you, you're not, you're not in a press, you're not in a 30 ton press and you do one little press and you go, oops. And then you don't have something right. Like when you're doing you know, you're making C's or you're re-squaring something.
00:11:07
Speaker
It's very precise because it takes them five heats to do it. um And I think the accuracy is there's something to be said for the fly press. yeah Yeah, you could be right. Those smaller incremental movements, you can probably be more aware of how much you're nibbling off each section. Right. Yeah. yeah You don't get those, you know, some people just go,
00:11:28
Speaker
crazy on a press and I had actually taught at Damascus class this past week and um the of the guy like you know we're not here to take quarter inch or like 10 mil presses you know we're doing really thin passes so that we don't distort the the pattern by these huge presses that I see some people do and uh I don't like doing that I like doing little little presses and the fly press is awesome for that Yeah, well, I think on on a press, if it's nice and quick. You still there? I just lost your, there you go. Can you see me? You just cut out for a sec.
00:12:04
Speaker
Oh, yeah, I think we something happened because we both cut out for a sec, man. That's okay. We'll keep going. um I think on a press, if it's quick enough, which, you know, if they're a proper forging press, they should be quite fast. You can maintain the heat longer that you than you will in a fry press. you can afford to take those little nibbles and still do less heats than you would on a fly press. Yeah.
00:12:27
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, exactly. But Jason's knives, i mean, I left home – five years ago now. And even five years ago, he was, he was a kid. Like, i don't know exactly how old he is now, but he must be 26, something like that. And so he was only, was i mean, he's still a kid now to me, but you know, like he, he was young.
00:12:46
Speaker
And even then was one of the most underrated Damascus makers, ah I would say. So you look at his stuff and people would kind of, they knew he was, he's just a young guy, like blah, blah, blah. But you look at his stuff and go, there's not enough people looking at this.
00:13:00
Speaker
yeah I agree. Is he Australian? Yeah, I didn't know that. Yeah, I think it was Victoria. Yeah, i totally agree on like when I saw his stuff, I'm like, it's amazing. And it's very, very symmetrical. His patterns mesh perfectly. Like that's what I noticed about, you know, you you do a few mosaics and like symmetry is like the hardest part.
Knife Making Excellence and Community
00:13:25
Speaker
Yeah, like you say, could just be the the the slow and steady. And i think he's incremental about stuff. Like he's he's very much like I'm very ADD and very much like, rah, let's just get on with this. And sometimes I him, it's not perfect, but it'll be all right by the end. Whereas I just think he's just not like that. He's just is just quite analytical about about small movements and whatnot.
00:13:45
Speaker
Yeah, I totally agree. He's very meticulous and it shows in his work. So that's awesome. yeah yeah yeah all the The Australians, mate, it's something in the water. Aussies make good knives, is all I can say.
00:13:57
Speaker
Yeah, I agree with you. Good knives, good Damascus. There's um one of my favorite makers. I'm pretty sure he's Australian, Jackson Rumble.
00:14:09
Speaker
Oh, yeah. He's Australian, 100%. I think he was our second Master Smith, maybe third, but incredible. His feather, some of them my favorite feather patterns are his.
00:14:21
Speaker
with that dark streak in the center of the light streak. Just amazing. You know, some guys make really cool stuff and they're just dickheads. He's just not, he's just one of those people. He's the, he's the meek, not meek.
00:14:33
Speaker
He's the, he's the sort of most polite, ah and so not understated, but he sees himself as understated. You know, he he's quite, he's he's he's not pretentious at all. he's just He just wants to make knives and enjoy himself. And he looks up to loads of other people, considering everyone looks up to him.
00:14:50
Speaker
just so so Like last last year at Blade, we were, um I can't remember, shared a car with him a few times but last year. think he was in the hotel or whatever it was. But i always I'm always amazed how just cooler, softer sort of dude he is.
00:15:05
Speaker
I've never met him. i don't even know what he looks like, but I love his work. I didn't meet him last year. i would have ah should have um um I don't know if he'll be there this year. I'll introduce you at some point if he's there. but Yeah, no, I'd love to meet him. And i don't I don't know if he's there all the time. i I've never run across his table.
00:15:21
Speaker
i don't I don't think he was ah don't think you had a table last year from memory. I think he was just there for a couple of days and he was going to Japan maybe for a month or something.
00:15:32
Speaker
But he was it was funny. He was freaking out because he'd left his mobile phone in Europe or something. Like just wherever he'd been just before. So maybe it wasn't maybe he lost it in America, but he hadn't spoken to his wife for two days and because he didn't know they were in a phone number. and He had no way of getting...
00:15:49
Speaker
the like another phone or ability to contact anybody so he was trying to and so he ended up borrowing someone's phone and then ah kind of maybe he text he messaged someone or something was really weird it's like poor guy was sort of semi freaking out because he had spoken to his wife in two days she's probably thinking where the hell is he uh yeah my wife gets irate if i don't talk to her once a day ish kind of thing Yeah, ah Katie wouldn't get her right. She'd be generally worried. I mean, she'd probably be offended, but she'd be generally worried. Yeah, exactly. That's what I mean.
00:16:18
Speaker
She'd be like, has he died? And this year, I'm taking the boy, obviously, as you know. She's going to be watching us on that 360 app. We've got this app that tracks us. oh Yeah, we have the same one here. Yeah, we're never we're never going anywhere without her watching us. Where have they gone? Where have they left?
Travel Security and Knife Aesthetics
00:16:35
Speaker
She's going to be looking at the names of all the establishments and... Yeah, yeah, Now she trusts she trusts us. It's not it's not problem. she just She just worries. It's funny. Right.
00:16:46
Speaker
and ver yeah Yeah, I'm getting ready for Texas. um Texas Blade is this weekend. So I am excited for that. I am i am actually, well, um today, right before we started, I was actually sharpening knives, which is like the last thing I have to do.
00:17:06
Speaker
i might redo the coffee on one of the knives. Yeah. and then That sucks after the handle's on and everything's done. no, they're takedowns. Oh, are they? Okay, right, right. All of... These are knives that I'm showing for...
00:17:21
Speaker
I'm getting feedback because they're potential MasterSmith knives. Oh, yeah. We spoke about this a few weeks ago. Yeah, yeah. so So every one of my MasterSmith knives will be takedowns because if there's a problem, I'm just going to redo that part. That little bit?
00:17:34
Speaker
Yes. Smart. So, yeah. So this is one of the Bowie knives that and mike I might – It's just not – it's not as shiny as I'd like it to be. Hmm.
00:17:49
Speaker
So I could probably kind of do a light sanding on it and re-coffee it in a couple hours. Yeah. So what what are what's what's your process? Do you ever use orange juice?
00:18:01
Speaker
I've never tried orange juice. i've um I don't know anyone who has. I should probably do a video on attempting to to use orange juice at some point. um Yeah, I've never tried it.
00:18:14
Speaker
i got ah I'm trying to trying to think who... so I think it was Jackson that's... I might totally been crediting Jackson with something to him, but I feel like it was Jackson that was saying about orange juice to me at one point.
00:18:25
Speaker
um And that... Yeah, um I'm not going to keep was Jackson because it might not have been, but a well-known maker uses preliminary... ah Preliminarily?
00:18:36
Speaker
preliminarily Primarily. Wow. Primarily... um i was like is that a british thing yeah yeah yeah preliminary is not a word well it is but not in this context um yeah and i've always thought about it i've often thought i mean ah and again i'm a little lazy with stuff if i do damascus i just throw it in in uh in gator piss or ferric or whatever i've got at the time and a few times back at home you know as i would do coffee afterwards um but Not really. You know, I'm a little bit, I'm a little bit, just get over done with just so can move for the next stage. Yeah.
00:19:13
Speaker
ah yeah I like the coffee finish because I like the blacks to be black, black, black and shiny. and um i've said this many times gator piss is amazing i love the finish just it leaves the black matte yeah i want it to be shiny isn't it yeah yeah and i like them to be shiny like coffee um and i feel like the coffee's a little more durable like it makes the oxides but then again grayson and those guys they say they've got that down with gator piss so i think everyone's got their own little once you
00:19:49
Speaker
you know, we're set in our ways. And once you perfect your, you know, your process, you tend to stick with it. Yeah. yeah It's hard to be, it's hard to, you get, I think you get taught to two sorts of guys. They either will just flip from one process to another process to another and never get good at any of them.
00:20:05
Speaker
or you get a process and then it's you so you're good enough at it that you don't want to screw up anything the thing you're making on because it's always a customer's knife or it's always almost finished or it's you're just like i just stick to what i know for the minute and and i'll try on the next knife and then you never do yeah yeah that's me that's ah i'm like because it's the last thing you do and you don't want to fuck it up and i'm like oh no no i'll do it on the next one like the you know the crappy throwaway one which there never is a crappy throwaway one because But it' mike I have, what's that? You need to make some tokens and and then just and then just have a go at it. But it's time. Like always, it's time.
00:20:44
Speaker
Yeah. I just, ah um a friend of mine, Jason Krause at Northstar Forge is doing a class um and he calls it Forging Beskar.
Knife Making Classes and Unique Creations
00:20:58
Speaker
from mandalorian you like mandalorian armor they call beskar oh yeah and so he's doing a class to make these beskar pendants i'm like well that's pretty smart actually because all it is is like really simple damascus and it's probably a whatever three four hundred dollar course to make these little beskar things and they're stamped with the mandalorian symbol yeah you a lot of mandalorian geeks and they'll pay the money right that maybe it was him
00:21:25
Speaker
yeah A bunch of people have done it that that I've seen do it. yeah I should get on that with my classes. I'm always i'm always trying to add new classes. But you can't you can't go wrong with a one-day kitchen knife class.
00:21:38
Speaker
ah can sell seven times as many of them as I can anything else. I'm thinking about doing a beginner welding class. I reckon that might go well. There's a lot of people who buy a welder and have no clue how to use it. Yeah.
00:21:49
Speaker
Yeah. It's actually one of my topics here is to talk about classes that you teach and throw stuff back and forth, especially for guys that are listening, folks that are listening. they don't have to be guys, but um about teaching classes. And ah for me, I have a one day class, which is like an introductory class. That's for like, I tend to, and I even describe it on my website. Like this is for people that aren't necessarily going to continue in the hobby,
00:22:17
Speaker
but want to get the experience of making a knife and it's forge a knife. It's like a hidden tang.
00:22:27
Speaker
It's kind of like a wah handle. Like I prep the the dowel and everything and they'll drill the hole in the handle block and all of that so that it's all done. It's just so that I can get the class done in a day.
00:22:39
Speaker
So the handle construction as well. I know you're saying you do some of it, but they do. No, i understand and I just drill the hole. I have the dowel, um like the slot in the dowel. s not a so So they basically just have to, hey, forge this or grind this so that the the tang fits in this dowel.
00:22:58
Speaker
And once you do that, then then they have to like profile the handle and do all that. But it's designed to so they can forge the knife and finish it in a day. But then i have a two-day class, which is like...
00:23:13
Speaker
full tang handle or sorry full tang knife handle everything you do every step because the other one it's like you get an hour to forge if you're not done i'm gonna step in and i'm gonna finish it for you and the same with the grinding the same with the bevels like you get a set amount of time and then i come in and you know make it pretty and that is good yeah um but the two-day class um they do all the steps and i only come in if they ask me to or if you know they're in Panic mode. But the the two-day class is far more and's interesting. You said the one-day class for you. For me, the two-day class is by far the more popular one.
00:23:54
Speaker
Americans got spare money. I guess. ah so I've said before, the English are tight. well they're they They're not tight. they They are a harder market to get them to pry their money away. Even when I had UK knife-makes pliers,
00:24:11
Speaker
look We had very same sort of products as beyond from Nordic edge in Australia. And he's a few times said to me that that's too cheap. to I'm like, I'm aware of that, but I've had 10 of them on the shelf for a year and, and they haven't sold.
00:24:25
Speaker
And then I'll drop the price by a tenner. Let's do it. So quid, then it's 25 quid. All of them sell in three days. You're like, it's just frugal. I don't even have frugals that they're just money more price conscious.
00:24:38
Speaker
I would say, Which is very weird. And so even to the point where i added the half day class, half day blacksmith class, and it's, it's a, um it's a blacksmith knife, but it's mild steel. So it's not really a knife. It's a knife shaped object.
00:24:57
Speaker
um The house hold a glasses dropped relatively substantially. and And I added it for it to give people another option. But what it did was take quite a lot people that would have spent the full 245 and they only spent 155, mainly because it's booked by their wife. and their wife goes, knife, also knife, 245, 155. I'll do the 155. So the amount of times people you'd watch them, I'd say to them, right, we all know we're here. We're doing a blacksmith class, blah, blah, blah.
00:25:28
Speaker
um we're making a knife shaped object and someone would what does that mean? I'm like, well, it's it's a knife shaped object. We're not heat treating. We're using mild steel. ah Oh, so we can't actually use the knife. I'm like, yep. It says all that on the website.
00:25:41
Speaker
Like it's quite very clear on the website. This is a blacksmithing class, but as a, I call myself a cutler. It's, we have a, we essentially make a knife shaped object and you'd watch a few of them go, Oh, they'd like a bit sad because they think they're making a knife. Yeah.
00:25:57
Speaker
but they because their wife's booked it. um They're just very, very price sensitive, I reckon. um sort Two-day classes, they sell, but um I've definitely seen like a friend of mine does two-day classes and he's ceasing to do classes at all because he no longer can sell them, not enough to make it worth it.
00:26:23
Speaker
Um, and he's an incredible maker. So it's it's, it's a difficult one. Um, I mean, I bought about seven classes a month for the kids for the single kitchen knife class.
00:26:36
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And that's five people per day. That's huge. That's a lot. Well, yeah. I mean, so, so I mean, um obviously you're talking, so you're talking 35 people per month doing that.
00:26:49
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Um, but, I can't imagine if i ah I think if I, if I start doing two day, which I will, I'd be surprised if I sit, I book a single one up, which again will be four people, maybe five people.
00:27:04
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um But I think, I think that would be once a month potentially. Yeah. It's, it's definitely a lot more time for you. And then, yeah, I get it. If you could be selling more than two times,
00:27:19
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the number of one day classes, it's better. It's better for you to do the one day class. Yeah. And the thing is, there's a massive difference between you and I, Dennis, you're teaching people how to make a knife.
00:27:32
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And then with the ability to go on making knives, I'm doing experience days. And so, um I've had makers ask me, can I come and do it? I'm like, yes, I don't know how much you'll get out of it, to be really honest. And then they have come and done it and be like, dude, I can't believe how much I got out of this.
00:27:49
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and And it's because I know how to teach the class. I've taught hundreds of people that class. I can make that knife my eyes closed. And also you'll see this when you teach, you can see, you you learn how to read the room a bit, but you can see just by people's nuances and behavior, the thing they're struggling with.
00:28:08
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So even silly things like I can hear a grinder, hear the grinder go. And you'd be exactly the same. You hear the grinder go a certain way. You'd be like, oh that knife is way too steep. And you turn around and go if I look at this knife, I promise you there's a secondary bevel on there now.
00:28:24
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And, and two member we've spoke like, and you have to kind of be polite as you know, but you have to go, remember we spoke about, we're keeping it virtually flat against the belt here. Cause it's all freehand. Um,
00:28:36
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And that they, they're like, sometimes people how did you know that you you just walked over here? I'm like, I could hear it from the other room. I could tell it's just crazy like, it's just crazy. Like you learn it and you don't even realize you've learned it, but um Yeah, it's more about experience. That said, ah you know me, I've got a big mouth. And so they get all sorts of stories about the Persians and the Japanese and the you know myths behind it. and like and they And they ask me about Damascus and I and i go off on a rant and ah about people in their basement and all that sort of stuff. But they love it because half my job is to entertain them for the day.
00:29:13
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Yeah, and that that's very true. And and the the thing on this sound, i i every class now I'm like, I know when you guys are grinding on an edge because I can hear it. And if it's quiet, it's better.
00:29:26
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It's usually what I tell them. If you can't hear it, it's it's better. And Yeah. And I'm the same way with the stories. Like they asked me about Forged in Fire and then I'm like, okay, here are all the problems. Here's everything that goes wrong in Forged in Fire that we're not going to do. And every time I teach process, I'm like, okay, on Forged in Fire, they do this. We're not going to do it this way. We're going to. Yeah. I probably don't get as many students. I get a lot that say, oh, I've seen this show called Forged in Fire. You watched it.
00:29:55
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um I did last year or a couple of years ago, have a guy argue with me that he didn't, that he didn't think our knives were hard. I said, wow, considering you told me you've never done this before. That's a very strong statement to tell me that you believe, or you worry that our knife isn't hard.
00:30:11
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Why? And he said, well, there was no fireball come off the oil. i was like, ah, you didn't tell me that you, you found this cause you watched it forging fire. He goes, Oh, love fortune fire. I'm like, Okay.
00:30:23
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So fortune fire is, is meant it's great, but it's meant for entertainment purposes. Yeah. It's a game show. Yeah. The fireball probably means the knife was either way too hard, the hot, the hot, sorry, not hard, or they were not keeping the knife under the oil. They're pulling it out and vaporizing the surface tension of the oil, which was atomizing, vaporizing, and then catching fire.
00:30:46
Speaker
ah Why do they always scrape a file on it afterwards then? I'm like, okay, they're two different things. The the the file is to check if it's hard, but it's nothing to with the fireball. that's just That's just for your fun, the fireball. That's all it is.
00:31:02
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yeah Yeah, and why do 95% of the... I've been told, because I have a bunch of friends a bit on the show, that, and you don't really see this watching the show, but the studio lights, it is so fucking bright in that room that he said it's really hard to tell temperature visibly because it's so bright.
00:31:23
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And that's maybe why so many of them overheat it. Yeah, I can 100% believe that. I'm surprised more people don't rely on a magnet. I totally agree. In those temperatures. Because I mean, do remember Walter Sorrells lost out? He was series one or whatever. and it was because he was in the middle of fricking the desert in bright sunlight on a hand crank forge.
00:31:45
Speaker
And he's like, I don't even know if the forge was on or off. That's how bright it was. or I had to put my hand over it to see if it was hot or not. And the only guys that got through is one guy had a magnet stuck in his hammer, didn't he? and and he And he just was able to kind of test it. I think the other guy had a magnet or it was luck, but...
00:32:00
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I often say to people, if if he didn't get through because of the light, then then um' then I'm screwed because my I'm pretty good at judging by the light, but I always have a temperature gauge and I always have a second magnet there just in case the light is, you got the sun's low and it's it's blinding because I rely on my temperature gauge and the and the color.
00:32:20
Speaker
But if I look at it, I go, I don't look right. It looks a bit too too dark. Then um I'll get the magnet out just check because... not We're all fallible, right? The last thing i want to send a student home with ah with ah with a soft knife.
00:32:33
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Right. And i I mean, on my own knives, I use the oven. So, a which is a good a good segue to talk about even heat kilns.
00:32:45
Speaker
Even Heat Kilns, family owned and operated since 1948, building the highest quality heat treat ovens available. I have two. Jared has two. They are the shit. They are the best you can get. So go get an Even Heat Kiln and turn your heat treating from mysticism into science ah by using an oven. But when I'm teaching classes, obviously, I am using a forge just because...
00:33:11
Speaker
You know, that's what we usually teach people. Can I go back with Dennis? What's that? I need to go back and interject. Jared, the man who doesn't make knives, has two even heat kilns?
00:33:24
Speaker
Yeah, he does. Wait, I've got one kiln and I make hundreds of knives a year. Jared has two even... Tell me they're completely different or something. One's like a sword kiln. they are... Because he was going to get one for tempering, but then the even heat guys, like it's literally the same internals. like It's no cheaper for them to make...
00:33:48
Speaker
ah an oven for tempering than it is an oven for like put the full coils in. So he has two full heat treating Use a toaster oven, Jared. Bloody show off. Yeah. Unbelievable. He busts his balls. I want you to. Yeah. That's ridiculous, Muhammad.
00:34:06
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ah Honestly, although I have to admit, i'm I'm right on the cusp of buying another kiln because my kiln is a 600 deep kiln, a two foot deep kiln. That's huge. Yeah. Oh, no sorry. Two foot. That's not that bad. Yeah. yeah But it's big. It's too big for the average 300 mil long knife. And so for the classes, I use it as a tempering oven.
00:34:28
Speaker
And so I could just use the oven in the kitchen at the at the workshop, but it's, you know, it's more, it was more, um, uh, uh, And, um, and I have been thinking about getting that the, the, a new kiln, uh, like a 250 to 300 deep kiln.
00:34:46
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but um Yeah. I have an 18 inch, like what is a foot and a half, whatever that is metric. Um, Which is perfect. And I have, of course, the big vertical, the 46-inch vertical, the which I love. But I only use that for swords. You've got a vertical?
00:35:02
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Yeah, I have a 46-inch vertical. Dude, sounds like that sounds serious. Yeah, that's for swords. Well, yeah, I mean.
00:35:13
Speaker
It's like a four-foot kiln. Tube of of heat coming up. Yeah, that's crazy. and I was going to get- Why wouldn't you? I was going to get the horizontal, but I have no, like the problem with the horizontal, actually the horizontal for swords is, is kind of bad because you have to lift the sword and it just warps.
00:35:33
Speaker
It warps just from you lifting it into the kiln. 100%. And then you're going to take up an entire table just for a horizontal. It makes no sense to have.
00:35:44
Speaker
The vertical only takes up like a foot and a half because it's octagonal. So it's actually space-wise. I'm always constrained by space more than anything else. Dude, I think even if I had a even if i had a horizontal kiln, I'd probably step on its back.
00:36:00
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For that exact reason, because I'd be worried about the idea of exactly pulling the knock the hot sword out and it just bowing or just dragging along the bottom of the floor. I was going to do that and they told me don't do that.
00:36:12
Speaker
Oh, really? Because thermocouples, when you do vertical, you actually need three zones. I have three different thermocouples. Oh, of course. yeah, because it's right at the top. You'd end up with all the heat, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
00:36:22
Speaker
They tell you not to do that. um So, yeah, mine's got three zones and it adjusts. and Makes sense. Smart. Yeah. know what right ah yeah How many grinders do you have? ah Five.
00:36:37
Speaker
Five. Five currently. i'm just i'm I'm on, again, six is the only thing limiting factor before me teaching six people is six grinders. I've got space. When I when i widened into the grinding room the other month, I made sure there was enough space for six grinders. So we've got um we've got three engineering grinders, engineering?
00:36:56
Speaker
and um which you you know id four engineer um that's uh it's a uk company right no no it's australian a guy called ewan uh in australia makes them has done for years beautiful probably the best machine in the world as far as i was at or no that's not true the best machine i've ever used because i've never used a um um an ameribrate ameribrate ameribrate i and i spoke to them for a while we talked about importing them at one point but we had issues with the ce marking And the Ameribraids, I have to admit, look like ah four steps above everything else. um
00:37:29
Speaker
But the 84 engineering is incredible. And then I've got two of Brian's. I've got two housemates. So it's such such a good thing having obviously the two housemates. They're on ah on a table and then the 84 engineering on on stands. um But yeah, i need I need a six grinder.
00:37:46
Speaker
Yeah, you should talk to the guys at Ameribraid. We had a really long conversation a couple of times. Really good dudes. just i just They wouldn't sell to England. They've had people try to order them from the UK before and they just say no.
00:38:00
Speaker
um and so i had to organize the ce marking and the ce marking i spoke to a company to help me do it and they wanted 25 000 pounds to to sort the ce marking out yeah um yeah it just wasn't worth it in the end i think i might just buy one and put it in my suitcase and just bring it back yeah maybe have your suitcase but yeah that's right pay the extra yeah all right I've got multiple grinders. By far, the Ameribraid is the best one. It's the most accurate one. um i do think they have the best attachments, um especially their surface grinding attachment, which is just top notch.
00:38:37
Speaker
um The drop-away platen. which I haven't seen on any other grinder, beautiful concept because I'm always say I'm lazy and I don't like to change attachments and having to drop away plat and go to a slack belt just by flipping a little switch is awesome.
00:38:54
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um So if you guys need ah and a grinder, go check out Ameribraid.com, use the discount code TTT10 for 10% off accessories, or just use TTT, TTTTT for a discount on machines.
00:39:08
Speaker
They also have the HyperDisk, which is a rotary tool extraordinaire. It can be a disc grinder. It can be a buffer. It can be a bunch of other tools. And it's got a quick change system to swap those out. So go check those out and tell Kevin and Eric we said hi.
00:39:24
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um That quick change is genius. i remember when they first bought that out last year or before, I remember thinking, can I just buy that bit? just want that bit. That's the best thing I've ever seen. Because yeah everyone's always trying to work it out of power, um like rock tumblers and whatever else off their grinder.
00:39:41
Speaker
To actually have a thing you can just join to the side is just game changer. I'm surprised there's not more attachments on those now. Um, yeah, I mean, jar I don't have one. Jared's got one and he's got a bunch. Jared's three. Yeah, which he never uses. He never he looks at them and goes, oh, there's dust on it again. Um, I mean, I have got a disc, which I, now that once I got the disc, I find I use, you know, I think it's one of those you need to like get it in the rotation.
00:40:11
Speaker
And now I use it, especially for folders. Um, but I use it more and more for flattening things and, you and having a rest on it is awesome. But yeah, i I mean, if I had the yeah um if i had Hyperdisk, I'd certainly have the rest and I'd be using it. Come on, Kevin, just send one. Why haven't you just sent one to He should just turn up on his doorstep.
00:40:33
Speaker
Yeah, I'll be hitting him up next year for that. um It's that time we got more free stuff again, Kevin. They just sent a grinder to Jared, so I got to lay off those guys for little What are they sending grinders to Jared for? He doesn't even make knives.
00:40:48
Speaker
did you Did you hear what happened that we blew up the VFD on it? No. Did you hear about that? no I didn't. I'm going recap it just for you, but they sent the grinder, um and i I think either they made a mistake and either they meant to send him the 110 gun,
00:41:06
Speaker
um motor, but they sent the VFD wired for 110, but they send them a 220 motor. I said, yeah, no problem. Like my VFD is wired for 220 because I have a 220 motor. So I'll just tell you what the little jumpers are and how to set it.
00:41:23
Speaker
Well, we missed two of the wires that you literally like everything else is like the little, the little jumper. well two of them are actually wires that you have to move and they they say right on the board it says 115 volt right beside them and we missed those two wires and when jared turned it on the whole face plate like those things are air sealed right there it's a a k-back and the they're they're sealed so the thing it's smoking and it's it's getting hot inside so the whole face starts expanding
00:41:56
Speaker
Because it's heating up inside and the the little rubber switches are now like little balloons. You should have done before that point. Turned it off. ah Well, you know. she just i wasn't there for this. Look what's happening. It's amazing.
00:42:09
Speaker
i think by that time it was fried. But yeah. So we both take credit for that. Mostly Jared for not talking to someone smarter than me. Smarter than you. Yeah, that's exactly what was going Yeah.
00:42:23
Speaker
but and it and then And then they probably just went, sent him another one,
00:42:29
Speaker
I'm sure Kevin laughed. And then when he hung up the phone, he's like, motherfucking guys. Those bloody Triple T guys again. can't believe them. How dumb can they be? Jared doesn't even use the grinder.
00:42:42
Speaker
ah Yeah, that's pretty much what they said. They're such good dudes, though. Like said, I had a long conversation with them a couple years ago, I thought, they're awesome dudes. So I'm sure they were like,
00:42:54
Speaker
Semi, all right with it. Yes. they Yeah. You know who else is good dude is our friend Coy Baker over Baker Forge and Tool, who we will see this weekend, we meaning Jared and I. um And he'll be wandering around like we will.
00:43:12
Speaker
But if you guys need any Baker Forge and tool products like the amazing steel that they create, I don't have an email on what is the one that just came out, but you guys can go to the website and check at bakerforge.com. Check out their core line, which is the steels they all they now always have in stock, as well as special drops that they're working on. They also have the whole line of gator piss for your etching, the Grime Reaper for your cleaning, and Gator Skin for the protection of your blades. So clean it, etch it, and protect it. So go check them out. Use the app for early access.
00:43:52
Speaker
And i ah as always, use the discount code TTT10 for 10% off at checkout, even for the core line, which is crazy because some of those amazing pieces of Damascus you can get for like 60, as low as 60 bucks, which is crazy for premium steel.
00:44:10
Speaker
That is crazy. Yeah. Go check them out. ah I'm going to order some Gator skin to your house when I come over that several stuff. Cause the Gator skin, I've been thinking about it a lot recently. um I'm playing, I've been playing with wrought raw, raw iron clad stuff.
00:44:25
Speaker
No, that's not true. I haven't been playing with raw iron clad stuff. One of my friends or one of the guys who does some work for me has been playing with raw iron clad stuff. And I've then been intending to, but I've always avoided it because of,
00:44:37
Speaker
you the way it rusts so fast and ah you know, once there's rust in in amongst those lovely deep inclusions, it's kind of hard to clean it out and that and I thought, suddenly the other day i was like, ooh, I wonder if Gator skin would kind of get in there and protect that and then you could just reapply it every now and then but you would take that, what normally is a really annoying, beautiful but annoying maintenance wise knife and make it much more wear and tear friendly but I don't know. I've never tried it, ah but I, but I, I suddenly thought of the other day, thought I'm gonna get some and have a go. Yeah. I'm a huge fan of that stuff. um I used it early on back before they announced it. He sent, sent me some and yeah, I love it.
00:45:21
Speaker
It works really well. I've got a couple of pieces of steel that I have in the shop that I did the original video on that every once in a while I'll take the two swatches and I'll dip them in water.
00:45:32
Speaker
And you can see, and you'll see when you you come in June, one of them is rusted and one of them isn't. And it's from that one application of gator skin and they are identical steels. um Both heat treated, both, you know, but one has gator skin and one doesn't. And I use just to show people what that stuff does. Yeah. Yeah.
00:45:50
Speaker
Yeah. And that's exactly what you want. Hey, I mean, cause I think I'd had thought about the idea of Cerakote and cause I'm sure I've not made this up, but you can get a clear Cerakote.
00:46:01
Speaker
You can i have some. Yeah. And so I was thinking maybe Cerakote then that would protect them, but actually it's another whole process and then it can make it more difficult to sharpen and all that sort of stuff. Yeah. and so Yeah, and Cerakote is not for anything you want food safe. It's a paint.
00:46:16
Speaker
Yeah, but I thought it was all right once it was cured and it was inert. No, no, no. It's like paint, and it comes off. So you're basically going to get that stuff come off in your food. So, yeah, it is not food safe.
00:46:29
Speaker
Yeah, okay. I won't do that then. I haven't done that. I've done Cerakote. A handful of times. um It's kind of a pain in the butt to apply. like you it's ah It is a skill.
00:46:41
Speaker
And you can see after doing it a few times why people charge money to have that done on knives and firearms and stuff like that. yeah Because it's definitely a skill to putting it on. And I have not mastered that skill yet. It's just not a step two, hey.
00:46:58
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, it can look really good. I love the blackout finish on it. It's like, it does a beautiful matte finish on like, you know, some EDC kind of knives. It does look cool. Um, and I've got a couple of different colors, but it it's, there's some swearing going on in the shop. Cause inevitably I have to do it like usually two times before I get it right.
00:47:23
Speaker
Oh, really? Yeah, and then you're just sandblasting in between. So it's just like, oh, crap, I got to go to the sandblaster and take it all off and then do it again. and Yes, that totally throws me out the window. know No, not going backwards.
00:47:34
Speaker
ah Dude, i've but I've got knives that are 96% done. I go, yeah, I'm not going back to 36 grit again. There's a little mark. I'm not going back to 100 grit. Screw that. just throw it in drawer. Make another one.
00:47:46
Speaker
no no and No energy for that. No. No. I just... i just and I don't know. I don't think I'm not lazy. I was going to say I'm um'm lazy. I'm definitely not lazy. I work probably more hours than almost anybody I know. I just look at stuff and go, it's not good enough. It really he hasn't taken me that many hours.
00:48:04
Speaker
Instead of chasing something, just be under the next. but Yeah. And maybe if somebody turned up one day and said, No, I was going to say they wanted a ah ah free knife, i but I don't think I would. I don't think I'd get something out the drawer that I wasn't happy with and give them that. I think I'd just be like, yeah, I'll make you something at some point. Don't worry about it.
00:48:21
Speaker
But yeah. anyway Because then your name's on it still, hey? and And speaking of abrasives, if you guys need abrasives, tooling, equipment, steel, anything for knife making, go check out our friend Lawrence Lake at Maritime Knife Supply. He's got it all.
00:48:40
Speaker
All the abrasives, all the steel, you name it. And if he doesn't have it, contact him and he will get it. So go check out Maritime Knife Supply for all your knife making needs. I was going to say for all your maritime needs.
00:48:54
Speaker
He doesn't sell both. So don't do that. Don't. um And unfortunately, yeah, we're not going to see Lawrence at Blade, Texas, because he's on vacation. And he was actually sending me some awesome dive pics. So he's a scuba diver as well. And I was very jealous that where he was diving, it looked amazing. so Is he a allowed vacations?
00:49:17
Speaker
Well, he he ought to be because the man's got two jobs. He works more hours than anybody I know. Than me, probably. Yeah, that that dude worked. I mean, he's a machine.
00:49:29
Speaker
ah watch We started our businesses about the same time. Now, Knife Maker Spy businesses. And then in about 15 minutes, I blinked. It's like, how is he already at that point? And I guess there's a certain amount of...
00:49:41
Speaker
uh, upfront money that helps, but at the same time, he just, he's on the ball. He's smart. He just like works out what people want. He, everything's so resistance free. Like he just, he just makes it so easy to do stuff.
00:49:55
Speaker
And he's really good. He's really good at like, like, um, communication and in like dealing with people and uh emailing back so fast oh yeah like he's handsome too hey oh of course all those canadians are that's right he's my brother from another mother that's right mr lawrence that was funny That's been a bunch of years since since that that whole joke first started.
00:50:28
Speaker
Yeah, I still use it every now and then. Yeah. Only when I talk to you or him. Yes. i don't know why. ma i'm just i'm just I've got nothing else. That's it. I'm just not that funny. ah I have a fun game to play with you. It's not really a game, but...
00:50:44
Speaker
I have a list of things that were named differently in the U.S. than sorry in the U.K. than what they are in the U.S. And I want i want to take go through some of these with you and see if you're familiar. And if you're going to get these and you're you're up to speed on you know the new one or what. and What are you going to read the American version out to me? And then I have to work out what the English one is.
00:51:11
Speaker
Well, yeah, some of them. Some of them I'm just going to read them to you because there's no explaining them. But um there is a a cartoon, a comic book, whatever you want to call it, back from the 80s that involved four turtles, four teenage turtles.
00:51:33
Speaker
do you know Do you know what I'm talking about? what today Yeah, course Yeah, Yeah. What is the name of that? Well, it changed a few times, but it's the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Uh-huh. But what did they call it in the UK? I think that's what it is called here. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. No, no, no.
00:51:51
Speaker
Well, there was Hero Turtles for a while. Right, they're right. Children of the eight I'm reading off this. Children of the 80s. But Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles, the ninja was deemed to have connotations that were too violent. So it was replaced.
00:52:07
Speaker
And Michelangelo's nunchucks were were changed to grappling hooks. This is what I think is funny. The nunchucks were deemed violent, but the guy with the sword and the other guy with two psi, those were fine, but we're going to take the guy's nunchucks that aren't bladed and we're going to change them to grappling hooks and call them hero turtles.
00:52:30
Speaker
Anyway, it's funny that you guys call them hero turtles. I thought that was a bit of a part of a series. I thought they changed that at some point because I grew up in Australia, obviously, and there were ninja turtles there.
00:52:44
Speaker
Yeah, no. um In the UK, the movie, The Mighty Ducks. You familiar with this movie, The Mighty Ducks? I loved that movie. It was like my one of my favorite movies i was growing up.
00:52:57
Speaker
Right. But in the UK, they called it The Mighty Ducks Are the Champions. Did they? And it's... England's crap, man. Australia gets American and everything. So I saw it as that i saw it as The Mighty Ducks.
00:53:10
Speaker
And it's like you totally spoil the end of the movie by calling it The Mighty Ducks of the Champions. Yeah, that is so true. Now, this one I thought was pretty dang, you know, the movie Patton. Are you familiar with the U.S. General Patton? Oh, yeah, yeah, General Patton, yeah.
00:53:30
Speaker
Right. You know what it's called in in the U.K.? I didn't even know there was a movie about it, but on. Oh, yeah, it's a very –
00:53:38
Speaker
Consider it a classic. It's a good movie. But the movie Patent in the UK is called Patent Lust for Glory. What? um yeah What makes them think let's add crap to it? like it's Well, no but it's the it's the it's the company. It's not like someone who's guy changing it. Yeah, yeah, Steve.
00:53:59
Speaker
The fact that they call it, it's about US general, but in the UK they had Lust for Glory at the end. Ridiculous. That's like, um but you, but see, you look at the Harry Potter books.
00:54:12
Speaker
You guys changed half of those. ah That's in here too. I was about to mention that one. All right. Well, that's America's fault, not England's fault. Oh no, I agree. Yeah. Yeah. Where where is that one? um Philosopher's Stone.
00:54:26
Speaker
Yes. It's called, down it's called the Sorcerer's Stone here. Right. Is that because philosophers don't exist there? I got that in here. Where did it go? um the There was a thought that the US market would not watch a film with the word philosopher in it.
00:54:46
Speaker
Too much intelligence going on the word philosophy. So they changed it. um the movie the The Marvel movie, The Avengers...
00:54:59
Speaker
um because you guys have a a show from the 60s, a spy show called The Avengers. So it was retitled Avengers Assemble in the UK.
00:55:12
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Dude, um so I'm so off the ball for English stuff. I did not know that either. I just called it The Avengers. But I did know the name Avengers Assemble. I guess I just didn't, I don't know, add two and two together. Here's another good one. There's a game...
00:55:27
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It's like a visual game. You look at a picture and you're looking for a little guy with white and red stripes on his shirt. You're going to talk about Waldo, aren't you?
00:55:37
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It's called Where's Wally here. It's called Where's whyy everywhere Wally Why are calling Wally? His name's Wally. In Australia, it's Where's Waldo as well, which makes the Americans wrong. Waldo. I remember the first time I saw on Friends, they were talking about Where's Waldo and Ross was like, he's there behind the thing. I was like, Waldo? Who the hell's Waldo? Yeah. i I'll give it to you because it did come from Britain first.
00:56:01
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We changed it to Waldo and I have no idea why. Yeah. I mean, if someone calls you a Wally in America, what does that mean? Is that a thing there? Do you use the Wally? It's not really a Wally.
00:56:15
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If you're a Wally here, if you're like, you're such a Wally, you're an idiot. It's like a sort of politish kind way of saying you're so silly. Oh, no, that's not a thing. Not that I know of. Yeah, well, you're an Canadian. You wouldn't know.
00:56:27
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Well, you but you'd think I'd get a mix of half of this, but this is all UK. Like sometimes Canada, like we get the the dumb spelling of like armor and color and all that stuff. Oh, you have yeah. Color. Yeah.
00:56:42
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co long But it's funny because if you're a software engineer, um you can tell where the software was written by the names of the the like the parameters, like the attributes in the software because if it's C-O-L-O-R, you know it's American. If it's C-O-L-O-U-R, you know it's from the UK.
00:57:05
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Yeah, it's true. um the There's a famous folktale involving a chicken. And in the US, it's called Chicken Little.
00:57:18
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But in the UK, it's called Chicken Lickin', the main character. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, Chicken Lickin'. be But here we have KFC, which is like the chicken is finger licking good. Finger licking. So you don't want to relate chicken with licking.
00:57:39
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Is Chicken Lickin' the one with the sky falling? Yes. Right. Yes. Yeah. I remember my mom. remember that. Yeah. This is, this is a, the characters are Henny Penny, cocky, lucky, goosey, Lucy, Turkey, lurking, and foxy, loxy. Like who the hell wrote that? The guy who wrote all the Marvel characters. Clearly. Yeah. Probably. his name?
00:58:01
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um Oh, Stanley. Stanley. stan lee i was going to say Sam Lee, but yes. stan lee Did you ever see the did you ever see the um the episode of Big Bang Theory where they're going on about all of, and I'd never really noticed, because I used to read a lot of comics when i was young, that like so many of the Marvel characters have the the first and last names are the same letter.
00:58:26
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. it yeah That's it's very common. Yeah. The alliteration and all their names. Yeah. Yeah. that all you got? I got two more.
00:58:37
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The movie, the Die Hard movie, the fourth Die Hard movie in the US is called Live Free or Die Hard. And it was changed. In Britain, they dropped the Live Free or Die and they just call it Die Hard 4. Oh, yeah.
00:58:54
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There you go. No, no, it's not Die Yeah, I was thinking Die Hard. But what did you say? It was James Bond movie. Oh, no, you're thinking of... um Die Hard with Bruce Willis. Something. I forget what the 007 film is. Live and Let Die.
00:59:08
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Live and Let Die. Yeah, yeah, that's it. What what what movie are you talking about? No, no. Die Hard. The fourth Die Hard movie is called, in the US, is called Live Free or Die Hard. Ah,
00:59:19
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Right. It's just called Die Hard 4. Right. Well, there you And one that I think is really funny, um and it's a hilarious movie. here in the US s is called Harold and Kumar go to White Castle.
00:59:34
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But, and it's like, this is so stupid because in the UK, no one knows what White Castle is. Or Harold and Kumar. So they changed the name to Harold and Kumar get the munchies.
00:59:49
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But the entire movie, they're going to White Castle. So what difference does it make that you change the title? Yeah, I don't think that makes any difference. ah ah Look, I can't take any responsibility for all of these. English people stupid. No, I'm blaming you for every one. can't take any responsibility. I'm not even really English. I'm only half English.
01:00:04
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in fact, my except my grandma was Scottish, so I'm actually only a quarter or English.
01:00:11
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There's one other one. you Here we have Snickers bars, and ah in the UK, you got old guys called them Marathon bars. Well, apparently, but only up until like the 80s. Yeah, until 1990, it says. was it 1990, was it? Okay. See, I moved here in 96. I moved here in 96. So they were called a Snickers when I had one. And at home, in Oz, they were Snickers. So again, I take no responsibility for the stupid English people. I'm separating myself from this lot on your podcast.
01:00:40
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I was going to get a bunch of words. I was going to show you pictures of things and get you to say like the name of of what you guys call it, but most of those, like everyone has heard those a million times.
01:00:53
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Chips and biscuits. Oh, okay. Right, that sort of stuff. Cookies.
01:01:01
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Cookies. Biscuits is something you put gravy on.
01:01:05
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o That is weird. yeah That's like a southern thing, isn't it? Uh, yeah, but now it's everywhere. Biscuits and gravy is all over the U S yeah. that's But I had never had biscuits and gravy until I was like in my forties. Cause I don't know. lived in Canada. It wasn't really a thing there.
01:01:24
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We have biscuits here, but they've often got like chocolate in them. There's no great chocolate. Well, it's cause biscuits are biscuits. then We're not talking about some, it was biscuits. Is it potato or something?
01:01:40
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Biscuit is ah is like a pastry that you would... It's like a like a bread almost. Oh, okay. like you what What you guys would call English muffin would be a form of a biscuit here. oh Why don't you call it muffin?
01:01:56
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What about crumpets? Do have crumpets? I mean, I've had a crumpet because I'm from Canada, and I love crumpets, but everyone listening is like, huh? A what? A what? but You don't have a trumpet?
01:02:08
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A trumpet. Yeah. um Yes, I love trumpets. I think they're delicious. Butter melted into them. Yes. Into the little nooks and crannies. That's the best part.
01:02:19
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Or with peanut butter. They're really good with peanut butter on them. Now everyone's totally confused. I haven't done that one.
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01:04:32
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That's some stuff I'm going to buy when I'm in Bladeshow. Have you used it before? No, but did I ever tell you I invented it? Say that again. when i Did I ever tell you I invented it? you know do You know, does anything ever happen and you do something and then and then you don't do any more with it and then someone else does it and you go, oh, should have done that.
01:04:53
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So ah ah for a while there, I was casting everything in resin, like coffee, aluminium swarf, brass. bits of rubber from the kids. Do you have play parks in, in, in, ah in America that are made of like compressed. Yeah. yeah I know exactly what you mean. Load of that, load of that, that come off the back of a truck as they were doing it. And took some of the stuff. The guy let me have it like a handful of it. I did it. It didn't really work because the chunks were too big.
01:05:18
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And so it kind of ended up, you ended up with like, it just broke into, it was quite crumbly. And then I just never went any further with it. I never even went, this could really work. And then he did it and I was like, damn it, Toby. But then again, yeah. You needed to put it in a blender or something. Yeah, yeah. But but it was it wasn't even about grippy. It was just about what else can I put in this resin?
01:05:41
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And so it never even got any further than that. So I i looked at it I thought, oh, that's cool. That's definitely cool. The lesson here is don't be like Toby and follow through. i think you have to see, you have to have seen the potential.
01:05:57
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Whereas for me, it was just about putting crap in resin. And so it wasn't even that it could be anything because it would just broke up. And so, and yeah. And sometimes it's just a happy accident. Like he happened to have the right size and then saw the use. Like this is, you know, the, the, the Bob Ross happy accident is, ah the origin of a lot of things i think yeah yeah i'm definitely getting some of that yeah although that said i haven't even used i picked up timber from rob uh last year and i haven't used any of that yet and so i i so i am i usually spend a lot of money at blade on handle material and other stuff that i don't need
01:06:41
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Um, so I'm going to task both, uh, Brent and Jared to stop me from spending money this weekend. And, uh, they're absolutely zero help in that.
01:06:55
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Uh, I'm really trying to buy this as well. You need some of this. Why don't you have one of these? Right. You're rich and retired by this. You don't need money. Yeah. The one weakness i had that I – something that I never have enough of is um carbon fiber because I love carbon fiber. It's one of my favorite things to use in in knife handles. And I never seem to have enough of that stuff. but I had a heaps of it at one point, and I never used any of it. And I just – people like, oh it's so terrible to grind and all that. and so I've never actually used any of it I've got few scales left. Oh, really? Yeah, there was a guy here, and he worked –
01:07:32
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at a company that used to cut parts for or so or mill parts for one of the British Formula One teams. And so it was like famous carbon fiber, but it was pretty big chunks.
01:07:46
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um So I'm not, I don't think it was ever anything to do with the cars. it They also made other carbon fiber for other things. And so, I mean, he would sell these off cuts for like 50 pounds and they were like a box maybe six, seven kilos of pieces.
01:08:02
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Plenty of them were big enough to make scales. Others were like cubes that were like three inches by three inches and that sort of stuff. And so it was your all randoms, but I ended up, I mean, to be fair, he still owes me a box cheeky bastard. He's one of those people, they come along, don't they?
01:08:16
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Where they start, they do this stuff. They advertise in all the groups. People go mad for it, but then they can't keep up because they've got this great product, great price. And then they just start screwing people over. So there's several people, including myself, who he still owes a box to, which is never going to happen clearly. But anyway, yeah so yes, I'd like to have, it i I love carbon fiber in general, like the way it looks.
01:08:37
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And so I've often thought I've got i got to ah got to make some knives out it, but people just bitch about how horrible it is to grind. Well, what do you you mean from the the dust that comes off or you mean it's difficult? No, I guess from the dust, but it can't be any worse than G10, really. Like, you if you're wearing a respirator, it's irrelevant.
01:08:56
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Yeah, it's... They're both fiberglass. Sticks into you, though. People still reckon it sticks in your hands and stuff. like No. But G10 would, surely. No one. I mean, i don't I've never had a point where like people, I've i had people say, oh, I get so itchy when I grind carbon fiber. I'm like, really?
01:09:14
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i just look like a coal miner when I'm done. Yeah, I can imagine. I love this stuff. it it The one thing you can't do with it is file it.
01:09:27
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You can't use a regular file. You need a diamond file if you're going file because it will dull a file in like five swipes.
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01:09:35
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Yeah, it's meant to be tough. Did you ever see this seriously the sword that Kaglar made out of one? Out of carbon fiber?
01:09:43
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No, I don't think so. He made he made like a katana out of carbon fiber. Really? Yeah, the whole thing. It's pretty cool. huh That must have been pricey.
01:09:55
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he's rich He's like you. and He's a rich YouTuber.
01:10:00
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01:10:59
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ah yeah I'm looking forward to having you here. Yeah, man. We're so excited. Leland talks about all the time. he's Good. Yeah, we often talk about it. So I've got this, I have to admit, I've got this... um It looks like I've got this commission coming through, which is three skinners and three folding knives. And I've, I've neglected to tell the guy that I can't make a folding k knife yet, um but I'm pushing him back till later in the year.
01:11:27
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And so I'm going to, I'm going to come to your house, learn how to make a folding knife and then, and then make another 10 or 15 for myself. and And then I'll make the three he wants.
01:11:39
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so yeah you'll be all set i'm super excited but i mean don't be wrong i could make a folding knife i got no issue i've got i got probably over 100 folding knives i own that i could strip multiples down and work out best i own a meal and a lathe and whatever you know everything that i need um oh i did just buy a complete not completely unrelated partially unrelated i just bought a surface grinder three face surface grinder a stand-up one Yeah, yeah, yeah. Full-size one.
01:12:04
Speaker
Oh, yeah. That's a game-changer. Well, I'm going to convert it to belt. drive its belt um So I've got, yeah, I've got to work out how to set that up. But when that's running, um it'll make life a little easier. But, yeah, so um um we're all very excited about coming over and seeing you and seeing how the other half live.
01:12:24
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Yeah, I know. We're going to make it a good balance. stayed at Caglar's house once. Yeah. Yeah. and He's a rich and famous YouTuber, but he's a scumbag, so it's different. you Oh, scumbag. The gauntlet has been thrown down They're going roast you on your podcast. No, Cacaball's my favorite scumbag.
01:12:44
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Dude, he's my favorite scumbag. He knows that. I've called him that. I call it to his face. Only seconded by his wife.
01:12:52
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They're both scumbags. I love it. I got to say, I'm tired of seeing his half-naked body on Instagram.
01:13:01
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Dude made two and a half grand or something like that last month on OnlyFans. Get out. Is he really? Yeah. He's like, yeah, he's making way more money on OnlyFans than any other platform.
01:13:15
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I thought it was a joke. I didn't think he was actually doing it. No, the guys love him. The guys love him, man. He gets semi-attacked by him every now and then. he get Sometimes people join up and then they actually, they message him and say, there's nothing more on here than I can't see on Instagram. Like, I want to see butthole and stuff like that. And he's like, no, I don't do that.
01:13:35
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and And then he had one get mad because he's like, I just found out you're married. You're not gay at all. He's I never said I was gay. i just let you look at me in Forge half naked. So yeah, he's but he makes, like I say, he makes most months he makes more money on there than he makes on all these other platforms together.
01:13:52
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Wow. I don't know. The hit to the, uh, the, yeah, not for me. No, I'm good too. I'm all right. i' good Kudos to him. Got to make that dollar somehow or the, the pound, whatever.
01:14:09
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Yeah, that's right. His missus doesn't like it. That's the funniest thing. I'm like, I can't do anything my missus didn't like. Yeah, yeah. She's she's like, you're such an idiot. Why do you do this? It's like, because it makes us, it pays our mortgage.
01:14:23
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Yeah, well well, there's something to be said for that. That's right. Man. Yeah, I'm looking forward to having you guys down. We're going a good mix of being in the shop and also out doing some fun things. So we won't keep you guys up in the shop the whole time.
01:14:39
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Oh, we wouldn't mind. Although um I'd like to see some California a little bit. so Yeah. Although, to be honest, just the sun right now be nice. ah You know, it's today, today in Fort Worth, in Texas, we i was looking right before this, I was looking up temperatures with Jared.
01:14:57
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And today in Texas is 46 degrees. And on Saturday, sorry, 48 degrees. Fahrenheit. Yeah. No, no. Fahrenheit. Right.
01:15:07
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right And then on Saturday, it's going to be double that. It's going to be 96 on Saturday. Talk about a temperature swing in five days. Yeah, that is crazy. 96 minus 30 is 66 and half that. So it's about 30 degrees Celsius.
01:15:27
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No, it's closer to like 38. Yeah, no, degrees Celsius. half that thirty three It's close. Whatever. There's this cool technique. If you, so if you, if you take 30 off and then split it, it's close.
01:15:43
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But clearly it's not that close, but it's relatively close. I just can't work out what the foreign height. Yeah. It's 35 and a half Celsius. they got those three I was damn close. Yeah. Yeah. You were, you were, you're closer than me. Foreign height.
01:15:57
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And then 46 is 7.7 Celsius. that's miserable. That's like being here. So they're going from 7 to in five days.
01:16:10
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Yeah. that That's how you end up with a cold and stuff. ah Yeah. Your body just goes, can't cope. And you get all miserable. but And I... Go ahead. I was going to say, I'll pick the sun any day of the week. And Leland's the same. We'd rather be in 40 degrees Celsius than eight degrees Celsius any day.
01:16:30
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Even though too hot and you kind of got to be in the air con and stuff, I'd still pick the heat. Um... As I get older, I'm leaning more towards, not that I want it cold. Like it doesn't ever. It's the Canadian blood. know what you're going to say.
01:16:45
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Yeah. Yeah. It freezes like twice a year twice twice a year here, but I would still prefer like the spring type weather. No, you don't get to pick a nice one. The point is it's either extreme that way or extreme that way. Okay. I'll take the heat then. I'm not taking the 20. Look, I'd take the 25 degrees Celsius every day too. Like, or 21. That'd be beautiful, but you can't have the the whole point is it's really one way or the other.
01:17:07
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yeah no I'll definitely take the heat for the yeah so you know what's funny my mate you know Leszek Sikon no yeah you have not seen Leszek Sikon knives dude check him out anyway he's not my maker spotlight by the way but he lives in Poland and he comes here for how do you spell it let L E S Z E K S I K O N or something like that I'm not known for my spelling um Oh, L. Yeah. Okay.
01:17:39
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No, I, I've never seen. He sells through like eating tools and stuff like that. Like he's. Oh, okay. Okay. so Maybe I'm going I'm going to save this one for a future maker spotlight. Yeah. Yeah. Give him some love. But anyway, he, he says he would prefer to be here at like minus four than in Poland at minus 20 because he I said, how? And he said, sorry. Yeah.
01:18:05
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he said it feels colder here at minus four than it does in Poland at minus 20. And he said, it's just to do with the moisture in that. And yeah, he said, genuinely feels colder here at minus four than it does there at minus 20.
01:18:18
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How about this is that? I just, it's just like temperatures are funny things. It's kind of temperature is relative to everything else. And then what's even worse is when the, when the news says it's six degrees, but my, it feels like minus two and you go, well, then it's fucking minus two.
01:18:33
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it doesn't if Temperature is only ah what it feels like. That's all it is. So to us, so say it's minus two, don't say it's six and feels like minus two. That's just stupid.
01:18:44
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Yeah. But if it's if there's wind chill and it's windy, they take the temperature somewhere where it's not. That car is red, but it looks like blue. Well, no, it's blue.
01:18:55
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If it looks like blue, then it's blue because we can all see it as blue. Yeah. But what if you're somewhere that it's blocked by the wind and it's not that cold? I don't think that's what they mean. Like windshield factors added on top.
01:19:09
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No. Yeah. The whole, it's this temperature, but it feels like this temperature usually because of wind or something else. Not having it. Stupid. That's it. I'm going to talk to my meteorologist friend that I don't have.
01:19:21
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Yeah. Yeah. Find one. You're famous now. You can just find one right on your on your social medias and be like, do I have any meteorologists that follow me? Yeah. Yeah.
01:19:32
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I got one more one more ad to pay the bills here.
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01:19:37
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01:20:04
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01:20:37
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So they make the best bearings for folding knives. So yeah, go check out the drop point, get those knives sold. I better order some stuff from them to your house as well then. So I can take them home. um yeah yeah Drop point. That's interesting. How long have you saying that one? I feel like I haven't missed that many episodes.
01:20:55
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It's only been since January we started with the Drop Point. I have been listening to books this year, so that will probably be the reason why. But yeah that's quite cool. that's some What a website is that?
01:21:07
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Yeah, it's actually ah it's an email it's a newsletter. It's an email blast that goes out every week that will... um basically notify you about the, the newsletter, which is a website essentially.
01:21:20
Speaker
But, um, there's thousands, thousands of people subscribe to that newsletter that are buyers, not just makers. Cause you know, all these people that like, Oh yeah, I'm going put stuff on up on Instagram and like 95% of your, of your followers or other makers, there are people not buying your knives.
01:21:39
Speaker
Yeah. The draw point is not like that. Or it is, but it's also a bunch of collectors. Yeah. Yeah. Which is, which is, I guess if they can show that, that's absolutely perfect. Cause I mean, not how, how many times, and the thing is people aren't even very good at it. We we post stuff online.
01:21:55
Speaker
And what you don't realize is all the hashtags and all that sort of stuff you're using and the people you tend to collect are other knife makers, the ones that follow you. And it's sort of pointless. then i mean, whilst we do buy each other's knives, we're not they're not your main person you're looking for.
01:22:13
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And so I'm often impressed by the ones who you want kind of hate the companies who've done really well and they seem to be semi-production and they're doing really well and all that sort stuff. And everyone gets bitchy with them and they go they're sort of, Oh, they're like, I bet they're cheaply made. I bet they're not made well. Oh, they're CNC. Oh, they're this other.
01:22:29
Speaker
Actually, all they've done is decide they don't need to impress other knife makers. They need to sell to the people who are actually going to buy knives. And but We're only jealous because we're not selling hand over fist amounts of knives. It's just, and so recently I've been thinking I've got to take a leaf out of those people's book and be more about who you're talking to rather than trying to impress other knife makers by what you make.
01:22:54
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Yeah, absolutely. It's all about targeting the right audience and not, you know, I don't do knife things in volume. And when i have knives available, usually a newsletter to knives,
01:23:06
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my existing customers is what sells my knives. And I also put them up on the, on the, on the drop point because, Hey, it's free and it doesn't hurt. Right. That's such a cool idea. Is it just us? s No, I don't think so.
01:23:19
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Cause I've never heard of it. And if, if it's a thing in England, I would, I'll have to go on and have a look because I'd be interested to see if there's, can you see what buyers are on there or can you not actually who else is on there? It doesn't work that way.
01:23:30
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I don't know about viewing members. I don't know if you can view members, but you can you can also list upcoming drops. Like, oh, I am going to have a drop available the end of the month. You can put that up there so people will see, oh, it's coming and they can get ready for it.
01:23:46
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I'll have to have a look, Steve, because i butt because if if it is a thing here, there are several guys like people like Sam Dunn and that are guaranteed they'll be on there. but that's yeah i've not even heard of it very cool hey well and if it's not maybe uh contact ski steve skiff and uh get him to do something for the uk i'd be surprised if it's because really it's just um um a redirect to other people's website when you post something it's a very small listing and it's just a redirect to that person's website so i don't think it's very you know
01:24:20
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it's not super high tech. It just gets them out there. And it's basically the cool part of it. It's an email blast to a whole bunch of people that have subscribed to this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So the people, they're the ones that are actually likely to want to see the email.
01:24:32
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Right. And yeah, I, I don't see that it would be, specific to the u.s s or any country um but uh yeah and the best part is it's free so yeah can't agree with free stuff that's easy and doesn't hurt that's that's the the good stuff the smart sounds like it sounds like the whole michelin star thing right very intelligent very intelligent for a company who's selling knife like materials to start creating a place for knife makers to come together and meet each other yeah like it
01:25:03
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Yeah, and they have categories ah categories for like folding knives and culinary knives and different knives. so edc I think it's EDC Culinary and Folders, I think. of the But I don't remember all the categories. I always post to Custom.
Culinary Knife Makers and Collaborations
01:25:21
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I think there's a Custom. Custom, High End, Gold Leaf, Damascus.
01:25:26
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yeah Yeah, that's my category's category. category.
01:25:32
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ah Shall we do some maker spotlights? Yeah, sick. Love to. I'll go first. So um this week I have, ah did I lose it? Damn it. I was clicking on your links and I lost my own. um Yeah. i have If you had a PC, you'd be able to find them No, i already got it. I have Middleton made knives. Yeah.
01:25:56
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and another, I've, I don't, mean maybe I live in a hole, but, um, I, I've, there's a whole bunch of like makers that have like just massive followers that I'm just blanking on. Like I've never seen, um, some of these, uh, Instagram makers before. So, uh, Middleton main knives has, uh, just shy of 35,000 followers. Um, and a culinary knife maker. I'm mostly, sorry, mostly culinary. The ones I'm looking at, um,
01:26:26
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But it's just some really cool knives. He's got, um I know that chef and I can't remember his name, but on his, he's got one pinned on his Instagram.
01:26:38
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um I know he's a James Beard award winner. I forget his name, but, um but he's got tons of pictures of him and in his knives, beautiful Damascus patterns. Um,
01:26:50
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just He's got one that really caught my eye, which is, I'm assuming is a folder, but just has a beautiful Damascus pattern of like a flower on the blade. Really, really nice. So go check out Middleton Made Knives. If you're not familiar with with this guy, go check him out. And yeah, give him some love and tell him you saw it on the Triple T podcast.
01:27:13
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Yeah, I don't think I've ever heard of that guy either. That's interesting. I'll have to look him up. Like you say, it's funny how there's sometimes these massive guys you just But maybe they're doing what we talked about earlier. They're not trying to show themselves to other knife makers.
01:27:25
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They're being followed by other Instagram users. Right. And this guy's got a lot of links to like food and wine festivals and artisan markets. And like he's doing a good job. Most of his followers are probably not knife makers. So that's why he's got so many.
01:27:41
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So, yeah, he's getting himself out there, which is great. Awesome. Who do you who do you have? ah ah i've I've secretly got two, um well, one and a half.
01:27:52
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But i'm gonna start with, um so Jack Pardo is an English knife maker. He lives in Norfolk. He's a friend of mine and he does, he teaches some of my classes for me um and makes, he uses, sort of rents my workshop every now and then. But he is, so his company's called Pardo & Co. so there's a pretty cool story to it. Pardo & Co are a very old English hammer and axe making company.
01:28:17
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And so his family owned that multiple generations owned that. And it got shut down at some point, I think in the seventies or something like that eighties, but he owns the name and the rights to this old hammer making and ax making company, which is, which is such a cool thing being able to have that kind of lineage ah and, and the family history of of makers and that sort of stuff. But anyway, he makes, he's worked for some incredible places. So he worked, you know, Blenheim forge, he worked for Blenheim forge. He used to work for Alec poll.
01:28:46
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Oh yeah. Yeah. So but very, very high end, incredibly smart guy. He's got like a degree in fine art. um And he has a, he has a top knot.
01:28:58
Speaker
So, you know, like a, like a, like a man bun, which means he's incredibly intelligent as well. um Or Japanese one of the, one or the other. But he makes very cool, very cool hammers. And I've got several of his hammers, but he is making some.
01:29:14
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So do you know, you make these guys every now and then you think, How does he get so much work done in a day? How's he putting so many stories up constantly knife after knife or thing after thing after thing. And he just works, just works and works and works. I don't think I've ever seen anyone so efficient and so quick to learn new techniques and new ways of doing stuff.
01:29:36
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the well, maybe have, but not many. And so he's currently got 4,250 followers and he like I say, recently left work someone else and now he works for himself, just selling his stuff, like living off the money he makes selling stuff. So he's having to work hard and having to produce a lot, but he never kind of, he doesn't cut corners. He's not selling stuff you wouldn't be proud of.
01:30:03
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Really, really beautiful stuff. So check out Jack Pardo. um and Yeah, it's beautiful stuff. yeah I scrolled all the way down to his hammers as well. Hammers, the knives, everything. Gorgeous. Yeah, he does awesome stuff. And the other one I want to shout out, who's probably shouting out million times before, um is Donny Dulovic. Now, Donny Dulovic should be called Donny...
01:30:26
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what did he what did he call him? Donny Delevich. So Donny recently, did you see that video? No. Donny Delevich. So there's a guy called Wes Huff who I'm sure I introduced Donny to, but he's a, he's a Christian, um, apologist. Like he, he studies the history of Jesus and the history of the Bible and, uh,
01:30:45
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the credibility of it or the not credibility either way. Like he, he studies, he sort of studies it to see whether things are credible or not. um He's such a cool guy. And I followed him for ages. Donnie started following him. Donnie being way smarter than me, just pinged him a message randomly and said, can I make you a knife?
01:31:02
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Because he collects swords and he collects historic historic stuff from kind of those sort of eras, Roman stuff and things like that. So much so he currently has a um he has a sword collection being made by a forge in the US as a collaboration with him, Wes Huff, this guy's name is. And so Donnie messaged him and he said, yes. so so So basically he's just made this beautiful knife using um coal iron, not coal iron, like...
01:31:30
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um Koi Baker, Baker, Baker, Baker Steel, one of their copper Damascus steels made this beautiful knife for Wes. And then, so I just see this video and Wes's story shouting out Donnie Delevich for his beautiful knife.
01:31:48
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And so I was very jealous because like two of my favorite people in the world together on one video, it was awesome. So good on you, Donnie. That's sick, man. That's such a, that guy's a celebrity in my eyes. So you've, you've you've done it.
01:32:01
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Yeah, I'm actually on a mission to find a really good bottle of whiskey to bring to Blade this So could beat Donnie, be like, look how much better mine is than you.
01:32:14
Speaker
Well, I don't know. I don't know anything about whiskey. Like, I know the whiskey that I like, but... I like, I wouldn't say the cheap stuff, but I like the Canadian stuff, but at least need to, he's had whiskey out there so many years. at least need to bring a nice bottle and put it on the table. Just spend the most money you would ever dare to spend on a bottle of whiskey and it'll be fine. I'm sure like, although that said, someone bought me a Japanese whiskey once and it was like $200 or something for this bottle of whiskey. And it was totally wasted on me.
01:32:44
Speaker
You know, I drink quite a lot of whiskey, but I drink a lot of bourbon to be fair. um yeah so And I do drink other stuff. but I don't drink, like, single malts. And if I do, I'll drink them, you know, what way quicker. than yeah I don't savor the – it's not like me with coffee. There's no, like – I enjoy it, but I would much i'd much prefer to drink a bottle of Jim Beam than a 200-pound bottle of Japanese whiskey.
Coffee and Beer Humor
01:33:10
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um So, yeah. Sorry. So I was speaking of coffee. I was going to – I don't think I'm going to because – It's just crazy. I was going to buy some Kope Luwak for when you came in June and I figured, yeah, he's probably going to like rip it apart and hate it. that's a bit Well, because the problem with it is you, ah without being rude, your chances are you won't get enough to dial it in properly and you potentially won't know how to get the best out of it anyway. So it ends up, you can get this expensive coffee that's been through all these weird processes and then not actually be able to get the flavor out of it. And then it just tastes like any other bad coffee, but it costs you 10 times the amount should have done. Right.
01:33:50
Speaker
Yeah. You've got to be a pretty serious barista to get. And I don't, I don't, I don't think I could probably not, not without enough of it that I could dial it in. I'd probably need, I'd need a hundred grams of it. I probably need to make five, four or five drinks before I could dial it in properly.
01:34:03
Speaker
ah Yeah. So though I have an espresso machine, it's like a nespresso what like the pod machine no no no come on none of that bullshit no it's gonna say sorry man it grinds it ah okay you know yeah yeah no not in espresso you're kidding me i have a little bit yes a real espresso machine is it a bean to cup machine it's in the grinders part of the the machine yes yes i just spent yesterday trying to dial my father-in-law's one of them in it's a nightmare I've had this one for a year. i In fact, this is the second one of this type that I've had. So I've had had the same espresso machine type for like 15 years. Yeah, right. So you're pretty good at it.
01:34:45
Speaker
Yeah, and this one works really well. I like it. so Someone asked me if I was going to start a ah Jesus and coffee podcast. and and ah And I thought, that's cool. If I get a co-host, I would seriously think about that.
01:34:57
Speaker
If I get someone who loved Jesus and coffee as much as me. Yeah. Two things that I've never met. Yeah. I don't know. Jesus never drank coffee, right? Not that I know of. No, I can't. Well, yeah, I don't think so. I don't think it was a drink then.
01:35:14
Speaker
No, it would have to a little bit further south, I think. Yeah. No, that's not true. i don't know how much. Israel, Jerusalem, they would have coffee there, right? Maybe. I don't even know. I don't know the history of coffee to be ah in that way, to be honest.
01:35:30
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um ah So I'd be making up. Maybe. Maybe he loved a black Americano.
01:35:35
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Americano. i'm pretty sure he didn't call it an Americano. That's where America got the name from. it was called Americano, and then people like called America it after that. ah Yeah, we're named after the coffee. Yeah, yeah.
01:35:48
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yeah Watery coffee, that's what we're named. Yeah. Yeah. Well, see, I don't really drink. I don't mind an Americano, but I, um a friend of mine in Australia owned a coffee shop.
01:35:59
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He was a bit of a, bit of a geek. Like I was, we'd come up with drink. We to call it the, the, the schlong black. And so i used to have, i used to have a schlong black whenever I was in there. Is that how you stirred it? Yeah. Yeah. right.
01:36:10
Speaker
It was like a short, long black. And so it was, it was essentially like, yeah, 40 grams of of coffee you'd start with a 19 gram 19 grams of coffee beans and you'd extract just over two twice and so you'd end up with like a 40 41 grams and then i'd add about another 30 to 35 grams of water on top so there's nowhere near a long black or or even um sorry a black americano or a long black even a long black slot is more than that but um yeah so we should call it a schlong black that's very watery
01:36:45
Speaker
No. That's... That's... Watery? Dude, that's like six ounces of coffee. You Americans drink like 30 ounce drinks. But you're losing... it Maybe it was the conversion of like the amount of coffee that you use and the amount of water. It sounded like...
01:37:02
Speaker
You're middle very little coffee and you're running it twice. No, no, no. so you've got So you've got ah what you would call it a normal double shot, which would which I'm trying to trying to work out and in ounces would be three ounces of liquid, maybe less.
01:37:17
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and then and then but And then almost the same amount of water on top. not run Not run through the park. Just put in the after the drink's made. Okay.
01:37:29
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I thought it was going to be an old joke i used to describe. What is a what does American beer and making love in a canoe have in common?
01:37:42
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They're both fucking close to water. Yeah. Actually, I have heard that. But that wasn't the joke. That wasn't that that obviously has got used somewhere else. Maybe that was what um in a strip one of the Australian beers.
01:37:54
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I would have said Parcel Main 4X or something like that. No. it's Well, that's what the Canadians used to say about American beer. so Yeah, there you go. Budweiser. Yes. Coors.
01:38:06
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Coors. why yeah you Come on. i want I want to hear your best American accent. Let's hear it. Yeehaw, motherfuckers. That's not... That was about as American as you get. What are you talking about?
01:38:19
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no Come on be like Tom Holland. He's got a perfect American accent. I don't know who that is. Oh, that's so but yeah the actor. Yes, the actor. Dude, some people are crazy with with their um with their accents, how how good they are at doing accents, aren't they? I'm always blown away. There was a it was an ah Welsh guy on a TV show.
01:38:41
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What was that TV show with the guy? who was a um He was a like an investigator, but he didn't work he what he worked for the police, but he wasn't a police officer. What, The Equalizer? Nah.
01:38:54
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Anyway, there was it was probably a British show we've never heard of. Maybe, maybe. But there was an actor in that American guy, was CSI type thing. And um well I saw him on an interview once and he's Welsh as you can get.
01:39:07
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Like so Welsh, except the American accent you would never have known. I Googled it and it was just basically full of people being like, wait, he's not like, you know, find other conversations on Reddit and stuff. An American saying, I had no clue that he wasn't American.
01:39:20
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Yeah, it's ah it's ah blatantly obvious that the American accent is the easiest one to mimic because every everyone in the UK, every UK actor can do an American accent
Accent Challenges and Engraving Innovations
01:39:31
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perfectly. And when an American tries to do a UK accent, it sounds horrible.
01:39:37
Speaker
Dude, I agree with you. that I'm always bemused by it when when Americans do English accents and why they didn't just get an English person to do the voice. And then they give up halfway through the film and it's just... goes american again It's awful. Yeah. Well, the thing he's if you if you're good, ah the ones I've seen, the ones that amaze me is the ones who can just, who can change to different parts of America. Like the interviewer or whatever says, like it just mentions an area and the person could change it. You just go,
01:40:10
Speaker
Whoa. That is ridiculous. I don't. I feel the same way someone speaking Irish, Scottish, like with an Irish accent, a Scottish accent, different parts of like, like the Cockney, like the really.
01:40:25
Speaker
They're ridiculous, aren't they? Yeah. It's the same thing from to us. It's same. It's sounds equally crazy when they switch those. Yeah. But that's because Americans can't tell a difference the difference. The amount of times people said that they couldn't tell the difference between me and honor.
01:40:38
Speaker
I'm like, who, who said that? well People online said like, I can never tell which one's which i always get confused when they're talking as to which one's which I'm like, wow, you are clearly kept in a box for most of the day and not allowed out very frequently.
01:40:53
Speaker
No, you you have like an Aussie accent dipped in British. Or vice versa. Yeah, sometimes it's British dipped in Aussie, yeah. Yeah. Honor is just, yeah. He's got that very thick, what I'll call a British accent. am Yorkshire, yeah. Yorkshire.
01:41:12
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your Yorkshire. Yes, that's even worse. That's like the Queen's English. I can't even do, I'm so bad accents. People, if someone says to me, do an Australian accent, it goes Indian. I genuinely can't do, everything turns Indian eventually.
01:41:26
Speaker
like I just can't do accents. My little brother can. I don't know where he got it from, but. Oh, i'm yeah, I suck at them too. And someone says, do a Canadian accent. I'm like, I am talking Canadian. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It sounds the same. Just say A on the end of everything.
01:41:41
Speaker
Unless they're from like Newfoundland or something like that. Then they're like, it's like Canadian gypsies. Yeah, well. And then gypsies are even worse here. Gypsies are like Irish, but way, way harder to understand. The Irish is hard enough. The gypsies are like... he but ahied they he bar but be have happy and you're like sorry That's what Newfoundland sounds like.
01:42:00
Speaker
But they're using English words, but they mean different things. Like, stay ready to... like coming here yet bear boy that that that is ah that is a very Newfoundland accent sonny a boy yeah stay where you're to till i come where you're at means stay there and i'll meet you yeah moving the words around right yeah um i'm all good thanks my wife can't understand someone if they're not from the same town as us basically my wife's the same really i've had katie hand me the phone before and just be like i can't understand this person at all and i listen i'm like are you joking they're kind of indian but barely but like they're clearly like you can understand what they're saying completely
01:42:43
Speaker
Kim's the same way for the first three days you're here. She's not good. She's just going look at you and smile. She'll look at me and smile. She'll look at you and be like, what did he say? Did he say, did he want something?
01:42:54
Speaker
I can't tell. Love it. All right, man. We've been going for an hour and 45 minutes. You, you got stuff to do. I got stuff to do. We should probably. Yeah. My stuff is go to sleep.
01:43:06
Speaker
Yeah. Go to sleep. I got to finish my work day. It's only quarter to two. You enjoy yourself, my friend. Yeah, I got mess with this. I'll say new, even though I've had it for a month, this snazzy new laser.
01:43:20
Speaker
I got to get the video out to next week. Ask Chris. He'll tell you how to use it. Who? Chris. correct He probably has one. they probably they Whatever they send to Chris, they send to me like a month later. Yeah, he's got two.
01:43:35
Speaker
Two lasers. so do Yeah. it But the new one, the new one fancy. What's it called? The X-Labs something.
01:43:46
Speaker
No, no. This one is a WeCreate. It just got announced Monday, last Monday. WeCreate Lumos Ultra. WeCreate? Didn't they make like 3D printers? Yeah, a lot of these companies do both.
01:43:59
Speaker
Yeah, of course. But yeah, the Lumos Ultra, this is one that'll do this stuff. Oh, it's a UV laser. It has both a uv Oh, I thought you meant it was a laser welder. Sorry. I thought we were talking laser welders. No, I have one of those too, but no.
01:44:13
Speaker
Yeah. I think Chris has got that machine. it's got It's got the 100 watt Mopar and the yeah ah ah the UV laser. Yeah. And well, the cool thing about this one that I've never seen, the actual laser part is a separate box.
01:44:27
Speaker
So it will run either 60 or 100. See, Chris is fancier because they sent him the 100. They only sent me the 60. but um But it you can just buy, if you want to upgrade it, you can just buy that separate unit. No way. And then just it just plugs in the back. Yeah, wow. That's very cool.
01:44:47
Speaker
Yeah, it's very cool. yeah It's a great machine. I'm excited. i did So the knives that I'm taking to Blade, I had an issue with the first knife. I was doing... engraving, pneumatic engraving with like a pneumatic engraver, a hand engraver.
01:45:01
Speaker
Why? to You own multiple fiber lasers. No, no, hold on. The 21 fiber laser takes forever to do this kind of thing. But then now with this one, since it's 60-watt MOPA, this is where I've started doing the channel for the wire inlay with this laser. So that's going to be part of my video. Game changer.
01:45:22
Speaker
Yeah, it's total game changer. Now I can do little fancy designs and smash the... gold or silver wire into it yeah hundred percent yeah it's exciting now you can start doing colors in your in your stainless and all that sort of stuff that i have the f1 ultra and it does that but oh does it okay it's like i never do that yeah i've though i've seen someone do it on a folder on the bolster of a folder and that's pretty cool yeah it can look cool aj came over the other day and he's like can we play on the laser I'm like, what do you want? And he just wanted the word sweet.
01:45:55
Speaker
you know You know, like, dude wears my car. It's like sweet. Yeah, I was just thinking that. He just wanted sweet in his in his knife. And so um I did it in blue. But the thing is, I didn't know. i didn't whatever He told me what the steel was, but I'd never used that steel before. So took me a little while to work with the settings to get it to.
01:46:11
Speaker
I couldn't get purple, but I got blue. So it was all right. Anyway, I'm still learning. There's software now. You can take a color image and it'll. like convert it for you and it will uh i mean italy it'll change it to whatever the you know it's all blues and purples and stuff but for your laser um yeah but um there's a lot of the different even the f1 has the same part of their software that you can you can take an image and it'll just oh it's red in the image therefore we're going to change it to like a purpley color or something and whatever and they'll redo your image with the different uh yeah i'd like to learn that stuff
01:46:51
Speaker
One day. Yeah. For me, it's all depth. I wanted i wanted the laser for depth. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That makes total sense. So you can do your basketball knives. right Right. there's That's a really cool process. I'm going to be doing more of that for sure.
01:47:05
Speaker
Yeah. I'm not surprised. Yeah. You punch holes in it with a fiber laser. Cause I mean, the laser that I've got, they now make 120 watt one. And step up again, but she they also make cutting fiber laser so that the head is more like a laser cutter. It's touching, almost touching the steel or whatever you're cutting and you'll cut like four mil steel or six mil brass or it's just mad.
01:47:30
Speaker
it's only a hundred And only 120 watt, but it focuses different. I don't think you can use it for like etching as such as for cutting stuff. But yeah, the only thing I have an issue with now is that if I'm, I want to do like think of a guard where the part that's right beside the handle is going to be thicker than the tines, the quillians of the guard. So there's like a, like a, like a depth change. Well, the lasers won't do that unless you have one that actually has a movable head. It will detect distance and then move the head as it, uh, and it has, it goes over. So I can't do like, oh I'm going to, I can do wire inlay on the, on the quillians and I can do a design on the top, but I can't have it go over those transitions.
01:48:15
Speaker
Right. Well, cause it, once it's a meal or two out of focus, it's not gonna. Right. And these are like, like, like 10 mil, you know, a 10 mil difference at least from top the volume. Hmm. That is interesting. But there are ones where the heads move, but I don't know if it'll auto focus or you'd have to start drawing them in 3d and like, well, that's what was gonna say. You'd have to depth map.
01:48:38
Speaker
yeah Once you start doing depth mapping, then you can, you can tell them to move. Holy crap. that's That's super complicated. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, from from what I could tell, it can be, it doesn't have to be.
01:48:51
Speaker
So I started doing some of it. This, that I was, I had a guy that I was doing lessons with and he, and so he was showing me on, um, even you can do depth mapping on like, uh, on like, um, uh, Photoshop.
01:49:10
Speaker
And so it doesn't even have to be. And so you put the different, you can put all the different levels in it and you can put gradients between, you can put offset and blur and all that sort of stuff. And it it'll use all that. So it's it's pretty cool. I mean, it's beyond me to an extent, but some of the simplest stuff it was doable. Yeah, but you're still doing it on a flat service and you're doing a depth map, but to try to map something onto something that has contour and try to,
01:49:37
Speaker
Like map. Yeah. I'm sure that's possible, but I don't have any clue. Yeah. basic Some of them can move their own head, but you have to recognize where it is and, and all that.
01:49:49
Speaker
Yeah. You can't do in two parts. Can you ultimately? Yeah. That's too. Cause thinking about doing things like a tumbler, obviously they're going be turning in in a rotary. But yeah, well, you're smart guy.
01:50:01
Speaker
You get paid for them all. You can work it out. Invent a new laser, dude. No, I have no desire. Work with the Chinese. Yeah, that's a thing too.
Knife Show Travel Plans
01:50:12
Speaker
And i and i got it this year I'm doing two shows. I never do two shows a year because I'm doing the the Austria show.
01:50:20
Speaker
Are you doing Austria? Yeah, I'm going to do Austria this year. Huh, so three shows. No, no, no. Yeah, but I'm not showing at Texas. I don't have a table. Oh, I thought you were showing at Texas, right? No, I'm just walking around with like a briefcase. Just walking around with knives.
01:50:36
Speaker
Like you did. No, Austria, I'm going to have a table. So I never have a show with where I have two tables a year. Where's Austria? August? October. October. Jeez, if it was August, I wouldn't. I don't think I could do it. I wouldn't make enough knives. I i might have to.
01:50:53
Speaker
I've been threatening to go to Austria for a while. It's not that far for me. Yeah, it's like, what, a two-hour plane ride? 15-minute walk. so right Yeah, I mean, ah yeah, I will have a look, actually.
01:51:05
Speaker
i'll have a look and um talk to um keith uh keith colby because he's obviously has a reason to do that stuff and maybe we'll work something out that'd be sick actually come and hang out yeah i'm gonna talk to martin this weekend and uh i got a bunch of questions like like because kim's coming and we're gonna do either a week before a week after the show and tour around but like what am i gonna carry around like a bag full of knives and Yeah, well, I mean, i yeah, surely you've got someone's house you can leave them at. can leave at Martin Hooper's place or whatever. but um yeah Yeah. Yeah, it's hard, isn't it?
01:51:40
Speaker
That's always the thing. That's exactly like um Jamie Bishop talks about the same sort of thing, like moving like when he goes to the U.S., bringing knives over and then traveling around. You fly to the next place, you still got a bag full of knives. and yeah Yeah, but that's at least there's no, in in the U.S.,
01:51:56
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like there's no like it's not like you have like legal issues because you're going to a different country you're in the u.s you can fly state to state no one's going to question you on knives but i'm i might what if we go to switzerland what if we go to like i'm going to different countries now so then you're in the post and send them back to yourself dude oh that scares the shit out of me in the u.s want to lose sure the daylights out of them Yeah, no, I think leaving them at Martin's place is probably the number one. That's cool.
01:52:25
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Yeah. Get yourself a storage locker. Yeah, if not maybe. I don't know. I'll talk to him this weekend along with a bunch of other folks. so okay yeah All right, man. It's been awesome having you on the show.
01:52:37
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Thank you for having me. I appreciate it. i I'll step in for Muhammad anytime. Yeah, well, you know, you're you're without a podcast home, so we got to make you comfy. I'm a podcast hobo now. ah That's right.
01:52:50
Speaker
All right. We're going to start planning June pretty soon after Texas is done. We'll get those flights and all that other bullshit arranged and make sure you guys can get yourselves over here after after Atlanta.
01:53:04
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Yeah. Well, Leland's passport turned up on Friday, so he now has a passport so we can book flights. Nice. All right. Cool. Probably right after Texas, we'll we'll start thinking about that. Cool. All right. Cheers, brother. Thanks for having me. All right.
01:53:17
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Take care. All right.