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Jones Hussain on Pornography, Raw Meat, Excellent Health, Adaptation, and More!
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This week, we are joined by Mr. Jones Hussain from Excellent Health. We dive into many fascinating topics, starting with a thoughtful exploration of the question: What is health? This sparked a discussion on human adaptability—how we adjust to toxicity, changing environments, and more—which naturally led to insights about evolution.
We then explored the concept of excellent health and Jones’s personal journey in striving for it. This included reflecting on ancestral lifestyles, which offered excellent health, strong communities, and fulfilling lives.
For the bulk of the episode, we tackled a major issue in today’s society: pornography. This is one of the most damaging influences on men and women, especially considering how young people are being exposed to it. We discussed addiction, strategies for overcoming it, how to find support, and the broader societal impacts.
Finally, we wrapped up with a discussion of Jones’s personal transformation—from raw vegan to embracing raw meat!
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Introduction to The Beyond Trading Podcast
00:00:01
Liev Dalton
Welcome everybody to another episode of The Beyond Trading Podcast. I'm your host, Liam Dalton. If you're new around here, consider subscribing or following the show. It would be much appreciated. ah Give us a like, review, comment, subscribe if you find the show informative in any way. If you've been following on the show, that's a great way to support us. So ah always sharing is the best way to get the word out and to really show the support. So
Introducing Mr. Jones and His Perspective
00:00:24
Liev Dalton
we have a great guest today. We have Mr. Jones. We have encountered his work there.
00:00:31
Liev Dalton
quite a while ago now, over a year, and um really healthy perspective on a lot of topics, very holistic, um something I'm striving to do. I think he has offers a really healthy perspective, you know, so um great place to to start. I find a lot of A lot of topics we could get into that that are so kind like against what you grow up believing. you know were We're told this certain agenda growing up and and even some of the things in the health community, you think, oh, well, it must be good to to do this. and then
Challenging Traditional Health Beliefs
00:01:09
Liev Dalton
all of a sudden it's just being shattered and it's actually not what the healthiest option is. And so I'm just really excited to kind of dig into to health, what it is, you know and and and kind of dig a little deeper into it how to be healthy with this man. I think he's got a great perspective on it. So Mr. Jones, thank you so much for coming on.
00:01:28
Jones
Thank you for inviting me.
00:01:30
Liev Dalton
Of course. so I want to ask you our introductory question. I'm really excited to ask you what is health? What does it mean? How does it manifest? What does it look like? You know you can take it any direction you want. And if you want to take it even further, what is excellent health?
00:01:48
Jones
I've been thinking about this for a while now because I know that you ask this question and I'll give you three answers and I think each one will be more true than the other. So the Occam's razor answer, the most simple one, is that it's just when your body's working as intended. That's all. And the the second definition.
00:02:12
Jones
is I think the truest one in terms of what humans call health. And that is the least amount of entropy in the cell. So the least amount of chaos and the most amount of order. Anything that's unhealthy will create more entropy. Anything that's healthy will create more order or maintain order.
00:02:33
Jones
The third and most true definition of health or not necessarily definition ah is that it's a distinction. It's something that only exists in the mind. Humans have created it. In nature, it doesn't really exist. It's just a word that we use to address something intellectually. That's it.
00:03:01
Liev Dalton
Yeah, I think yeah you put that very well and um that's really interesting. I want to kind of dive into ah a little bit more of of your thoughts on what order is and what does that mean? When you say order in the salad, are you talking strictly biochemical? Are you talking energetically? Are you talking, you know, cause I think you could probably talk about this on many different levels. So maybe we can dig into that and then maybe get into the third definition a little bit more as well.
00:03:27
Jones
Yeah, I mean, if you if you want a good, if you want the appropriate person to address this, ah it would be Jack Cruz. I really got this idea from him. I had been thinking about it before, you know, it health really being the strength and the efficiency of the cells. But then when I saw his physics definition, I thought, okay, well, this is this is the most correct definition.
00:03:56
Jones
What it means is that you know everything results in heat death in the universe. And the human body is very interesting because it's not supposed to where or life is not supposed to work the way it does. So what happens is that ourselves the atoms inside rearrange themselves.
00:04:16
Jones
So that they don't lose a lot of light so that they ah decrease entropy as much as possible because if they don't do that they die. ah so So that's really what I mean. I mean that life is organizing itself in the most optimal way possible for it to last of the longest so that it doesn't succumb to what the rest of the universe generally succumbs to. So it's it's intelligent. It's a way of intelligently moving around matter and also more than matter, I guess.
00:04:54
Jones
to maintain life, that's what it is. And then anything that's unhealthy in in the human sense will disturb that. Again, anything that's healthy will create this order among the atoms that makes sure that you don't lose energy. It's all about the energy conservation at the end of the day. That's really what I mean. Energy efficiency, and then that is also and cell strength really.
Life's Contradiction of Thermodynamics
00:05:21
Liev Dalton
Something that's always interested me about this topic, especially, it's interesting that you bring it up. Um, you know, the, the law, the second law of thermodynamics and everything tends towards higher entropy towards higher disorder. You know, that's the, the law, right? I find it very interesting that life completely contradicts that, right? Because we're so highly ordered and, um,
00:05:50
Liev Dalton
To me, this is one of the greatest evidence towards you know intelligent design and a creator. um you know and i just I've always sounded fascinated even before I went down all these you know germ, terrain, whatever. like Even like when I was in high school taking chemistry in grade 11, grade 12, and I'm thinking, okay, so we have this law and then we have life that just completely contradicts it.
00:06:18
Liev Dalton
You know, why does life contradict that? And then, like you're just kind of saying here, once you're moving towards death, you're becoming a little bit more disordered, right? Things aren't working as smoothly and organized as they should. And ah you're tending towards a little bit more chaos. And I think it's a very interesting thing. To me, that that is one of the most fascinating things. And I think it's a major contradiction as well of,
00:06:45
Liev Dalton
you know the second law in a way, but um we can save that for another discussion. Anyways, I think that's ah that's a great way to approach the conversation around health as well, especially when talking scientifically.
00:07:00
Liev Dalton
um Sometimes it's difficult to talk about these concepts because like you mentioned in your third definition, health is just you know something we talk about you know to serve our intellectual purposes. It doesn't exist in hell in nature. and um You know, we've talked about this extensively in our appeal to nature videos, you know, how trying to say that that's a fallacy to appeal to nature, to say what is healthy is natural, um to me stands true time and time and time again. It will it will never fail, I guarantee that. um As long as we know what naep what is natural, what's truly natural to the human being. um
00:07:39
Jones
Yeah, natural to humans, I should say. So snake event is also not natural, but it's not natural to humans.
00:07:42
Liev Dalton
100%.
00:07:46
Jones
And I have to give credit to Gattis for that idea, but it's ah it's a good way of putting it.
00:07:47
Liev Dalton
Exactly.
00:07:51
Liev Dalton
it is It is a very good way of putting it. Yeah, because I struggled that with that a little bit as well, right? Like, you know, so poisons and venoms and things like that are getting mauled by a bear. These are natural events, but at the end of the day, it's like it's not the human life. it's not It's not conducive to human life and a natural human life of longevity to get mauled by a bear. It's just something that happens and to get into maybe the spiritual reasons for that is another different story as well. but
Human Adaptability and Diversity
00:08:21
Liev Dalton
Yeah, I think this concept of health doesn't exist in nature is really important as well, you know because our bodies are very adaptive. I know you've spoken about this a little bit, you know how our bodies are are very adaptive. We adapt to everything that we get thrown at it. right So if you're in a toxic environment, your body's just going to adapt to it.
00:08:40
Liev Dalton
You know, and we call it disease, but our bodies are actually just trying to come back to some sort of order and a way to bring it into your second definition there. You know, we're trying to get back to some sort of homeostasis and balance. Maybe you could speak a little bit more to that.
00:08:56
Jones
Yeah, I mean the body wants to stay alive and it's pretty intelligent. So you throw pollution at it and i this is what I write in my book and in the detoxification section. So imagine you're the body and and you're conducting everything that's happening and suddenly you get this whiff of perfume with a bunch of carcinogens in it. Where do you put it? Like do you put it in the fat cells?
00:09:22
Jones
Where do you put it in the lymphatic system? Where in the bloodstream and then then in in the bones? like where Where should it go? Where should it be stored? And if it's not supposed to be stored, if you're supposed to eliminate it through you know breathing out through the lungs,
00:09:37
Jones
and Why is that? And should it be through the lungs? And how much? and And all of these things really. So again, our bodies are intelligent. They know what they're doing. And I mean, but what what is your question exactly?
00:09:59
Liev Dalton
Maybe I'd just like to hear a little bit about our adaptive, the adaptive qualities of our body, you know, that we adapt it to every single situation. You know, like any pollution that we're getting, like, hot like, like, I think you're going down a good trail here, how our bodies even know what to do with these toxicities, right?
00:10:17
Liev Dalton
With these infractions, you know, what?
00:10:19
Jones
Yeah, now i understand now I understand why I had to ask you again, because ultimately that knowledge is completely unknown to us. I have no idea, essentially. Or anyone anyone for that matter doesn't know how the body really works. um The body gets the pollution in and it deals with it in the most beautiful manner possible. But it does that. It certainly does that. Otherwise, most people in modern society would be dead.
00:10:49
Jones
And so yes, it is very adaptable. And not only that, in terms of the adaptive quality, I'd say that in terms of nutrition and not only nutrition probably, we're the most adaptable mammal on the planet. And that has had to happen because we've spread out all across the world. So with nutrition, for example, like if you were a lion, it would be pretty easy to figure out what you're supposed to eat. But with humans, it's really hard because We can survive on potatoes for quite a long time. That doesn't mean that potatoes are healthy or that you know fruits are healthy. It just means that our body is really, really, really adaptable. That's why you have vegans that can be vegan for 20 years plus with health problems. and but But they can do that because the body is adapting. The microbiome is adapting and they're extracting a lot of
00:11:36
Jones
stuff from the plants after a while that humans aren't really supposed to do. and Their microbiome is really, really adapting. ah Then you can talk about adaptation to um you know a colder environment, less of vitamin D or more UV. So i if the theory of us evolving at the East after the African Rift is correct, then all humans were black, we used to be black. But then as we moved, ah we lost melon or we put it inside and then we became really good at creating heat. So that's just another adaptation. And in terms of, you know, you look at birds, birds have different colors, they they they have different species all across the world. I think one of the most diverse, our birds aren't mammals, but one of the most diverse animals
00:12:34
Jones
on the planet, you know look at how Asians look as opposed to Black people, as opposed to Arabs, as opposed to Native Americans, as opposed to and you know ah the Andeans. That just speaks to how adaptable we are really. and And all these people look a different way because they've adapted to certain environments.
00:12:59
Jones
and And the way they look is related to the environment, of course. Like Weston A. Price, when he looked at the Peruvians that were living at very high altitudes, he noticed that their chest development was far greater than other, well, he said, racist, but usually we say ethnicities ah nowadays. And he said that it was probably because of the oxygen deprivation that they had over there. For example,
00:13:25
Jones
so So yes, and I think all life is very adaptable, because if it didn't adapt, then it wouldn't continue. Adaptation is absolutely needed. ah So again, it's not just the human body. The way we detoxify pollution, a cow does it the same thing in the exact same way. It has the same intelligence. The bird does it the same way. It's not some intrinsic quality that we humans have. I'd say it's just something that life is able to do. a tree probably has pretty good detoxification pathways as well. um So yeah, we're more similar to other animals than we think. And and yes, the the reason life adapts is because without adaptation, there's no life because as the environment changes, life has to change.
00:14:11
Liev Dalton
Yeah, to me, it's absolutely undeniable fundamental axiom of existence, you know, and I think I would really want to ask you, you know, what are your thoughts on the Darwinian take of evolution? You know, because obviously a lot of his work is based off this, and I think it's a pretty pertinent topic.
00:14:30
Jones
What I can say for a certain is that natural selection is 100% a thing and that organisms do change over time. Otherwise, we wouldn't have dog breeds. Like you couldn't cross dogs and then get a new dog. If what is said in religious texts or if you take it literally is true that all the animals were, well, let's say intelligently designed and they don't change which my mother I don't know if she still believes that by the way but in any case and if that were true then we we wouldn't have other dog so just the mere fact of humans you know you have let's say ah someone from Ethiopia and
00:15:17
Jones
creating a family with someone from Asia, let's say, and them getting some ah mix, their children being a mix of Ethiopian and Asian, that just speaks to natural selection or or there being the possibility of organisms changing. And and and also,
00:15:39
Jones
um There being different forms of humans, that's just proof there. ah you know You have Africans, you have Asians, you have, japanese again, Japanese people, Chinese people, ah Slavic people, et cetera. That's just proof of natural selection there as well. And just creating, again, creating a family, that's also proof of natural selection. Beyond that, you know going going back quite a lot,
00:16:06
Jones
You know, it's very hard to say. It's very, very hard to say. Um, I don't know what caused the, you know, cause they say that it's because of mutations. I'm not sure if that's true. I honestly, what I know is that I'm looking at a screen right now, talking to you. Um, that's it more than that. I cannot know, but I can describe natural selection. I know that it works. And so yeah, if you go back 10 million years.
00:16:37
Jones
Based on what's happening right now, based on the fact that we can create new dogs, yeah, we've probably, we probably had eight Bansisters. I think it's hard to deny that. But beyond that, you know, going back and looking at the origins of life, that's, I don't know. I really don't know how life emerged.
00:16:58
Liev Dalton
I always think it's really interesting, uh, one of the, you know, people who talk about, they call it endosymbion theory. I remember learning about it at school, you know, how, uh, you know, bacteria entered another bacteria and that was the mitochondria of the cell and blah, blah, blah. That's one of the major widely accepted theories, uh, proposed by Lynn Margulis. Uh, Lynn Margulis actually was like an HIV denier, which I thought was a really interesting, um,
00:17:28
Liev Dalton
that that she was aligned there and then proposed this really interesting endosymbiont theory. Not sure if I agree with it. I mean, it's so speculative. It's not like it doesn't make sense totally either, right? That's one of the things about ah the old school Darwinian stuff.
00:17:50
Liev Dalton
um obviously neoderwinism, I think is absolute nonsense when you're getting into like mutations, genetics, all that new, age all the new age stuff is kind of a little off in my opinion, you know, but it's just a way to kind of further explain and try to solidify in a way. But um anyways, that's, that's amazing. Thank you for sharing that. You know, I want to ask you to kind of get back on the topic of health here. And
Striving for Excellent Health
00:18:18
Liev Dalton
this isn't a question that I've asked, but you know,
00:18:21
Liev Dalton
why should we try to achieve excellent health, right? And not just decent health. Obviously I'm alluding to the name of your channel here a little bit, excellent health, but you know, I love that, I love that name and I think that striving for excellence is, is very important, but, but why should someone want to do that? You know, what, what drives you to do that? What kind of put you on that path and and why should other people do it?
00:18:50
Jones
Well, for me, it's pretty easy. I'll just answer for myself. I've always wanted to to do things in the most optimal way possible. So let's say I'm buying a backpack. I want the absolute best backpack for that price point. If I'm buying a phone, I want the absolute best phone for the price point I'm thinking of. If I'm trying to learn about the topic, I want the absolute best teacher.
00:19:15
Jones
If I'm going to um play chess, I want to play at a very good accuracy, or I want to look at the games of the absolute best chess player, et cetera, et cetera. So with health, I mean, you have a body and it works a certain way. And it's it's the source of consciousness. it's the It's your life itself. Without the body, there is no life.
00:19:42
Jones
So let's say let's say, let's liken it to a puzzle. You want the, you have a puzzle in front of you and you're supposed to put it together in the most, in the way it's intended to be put together. Saying that you should strive for decent health is saying that let's put the puzzle together, but let's not make it perfect. Let's put some pieces or let let's not care about whether some pieces are in the wrong place or not.
00:20:12
Jones
That's the way I view it. That's why you should strive for excellent health. You have a body, it works a certain way. And if it works a certain way, you need to make sure that you satisfy the criteria for it to work a certain way, which is, you know, optimally.
00:20:36
Liev Dalton
Amazing. Yeah. I think even, you know, getting back to your first definition, you know, that body functioning properly as it should, you know, I think that's, that's, we can also get, get to that, right? Because if we're thinking about excellent health, you know, we're thinking about, about the body just, just thriving, you know, and being able to function perfectly as you're mentioning here. Um,
00:21:04
Liev Dalton
I think that's that's so important. you know and um It's one of them the most fundamentally true things that we know too, that we need to live in a very basic sense.
00:21:19
Jones
We
Modern Distractions and Core Human Experiences
00:21:20
Jones
are living.
00:21:20
Liev Dalton
you know and Exactly. you know it's It's the greatest evidence for it. you know so um
00:21:29
Liev Dalton
It seems so simple and obvious and maybe a little bit ridiculous, but I feel like a lot of people kind of get away from that. I feel like a lot of people get away from that and and you know they're they're caught up in things that are sub-life things.
00:21:44
Liev Dalton
um People who may have never experienced any sort of discomfort, you know like experiencing rain or being cold, even stuff like that, simple stuff like that, being too hot, not having enough food or water, et cetera.
00:21:59
Liev Dalton
Um, you know, these are some fundamental struggles that happen and kind of, you know, make that human experience feel very real. And then, you know, you try to thrive, you know, you always want to make sure that you're well fed, you have clean, good drinking water and you have, you know, but we're so far away from, from that, from the real human experience.
00:22:24
Liev Dalton
You know, we're caught up in social media and video games and, you know, whatever, whatever, a job. And maybe we try to excel at our job or at video games. You know, people tend to want to be the best at those as well, but you're kind of sidetracked. And not to even say that you can't pursue these things, but, you know, it seems like it's very secondary to achieving, you know, ah purity or health.
00:22:53
Liev Dalton
in our own physical vessels right in the and the things that drive our existence as a human being. I think that's one of the things that we've lost, just experiencing life as a human being, just being a human being living.
00:23:06
Liev Dalton
you know so um
00:23:09
Jones
Yeah, I mean people, people always, no matter what person it is really, they're always managing their life. They're always trying to do what they think is the most important.
00:23:23
Jones
And the the problem isn't necessarily that people aren't taking care of their lives.
00:23:23
Liev Dalton
You know.
00:23:27
Jones
It's just that their priorities are wrong. That's it. So with the video games and with whatever it is, they are still doing their best to manage their life. that's That decision is a decision that comes out of self survival. It still is them thinking that this decision right now is the best. That's why they took that decision.
00:23:53
Liev Dalton
Yes.
00:23:53
Jones
um
00:23:56
Jones
But what underlies that that entire system is wrong. And that's that's from time to time this happens ah to civilizations. And we're at the point right now where, yeah, people are degenerating and this is what you see. Instead of taking care of their health, when when they self manage, they self manage in a way that's destructive.
00:24:23
Liev Dalton
yeah Yeah, it seems a little bit cyclical and then you obviously see fruits in the form of disease and um even mental illnesses, stuff like that. That seems to even be later in the game you know because we've had these very obvious physical diseases for in the modern world for a while, but mental illness is extremely high nowadays.
00:24:47
Liev Dalton
which I think is really interesting, you know, why that comes sort of after. And maybe I'm just, maybe we're not taking the right read on history. You know, maybe we didn't recognize mental illness back in the day.
00:24:59
Liev Dalton
Maybe we didn't recognize it as much as we do now. And maybe we over-recognize it now. That's a probability as well.
00:25:06
Jones
I just made a community post about this by the way. I was talking about nutrition and physical degeneration by wasn't a price and the fact that I had never read it from cover to cover.
00:25:15
Liev Dalton
Yeah.
00:25:18
Jones
I bought it recently just to do that because I've always said that it's one of the greatest or probably the greatest health book ever written. And I haven't read it, so that's pretty hypocritical, so I don't want to miss anything from that book. And what he says in the beginning is that, yes, there is physical degeneration, but what we're seeing mostly in society now is moral degeneration.
00:25:46
Jones
So the mental stuff actually came first according to Estenet Price. So in the in America, yes, you did see and the degeneration of the teeth, you did see deformities, but what he saw the most outside of physical degeneration is the degeneration of morals and the mental faculties. That's what he saw. So it's always like it's a linear relationship between ill health and and you know the mental illness. So it's it's it's never, it might be hidden to history but it's not hidden to those who who lived during that era or any era.
00:26:32
Liev Dalton
Yeah, I'm thinking back on, now I'm thinking back on a quote that I remember reading. I don't think it was Hippocrates. It might've been Epictetus. It was, disease of the mind is often more common than a physical disease. I'm probably paraphrasing a little bit there and I'm probably not remembering who said it. It might've been Hippocrates. Anyways, I mean, that obviously dates back a very long time. So I think that's a really interesting observation one that I didn't catch when I read it. And I would agree that that is the best health book, health best nutrition book out there for sure. Um, maybe not holistic health, but if you interpret it properly and you understand that you're, you do need to look beyond diet a little bit, right? Like obviously he wasn't talking about EMFs and, um, but he wasn't very specific always in what natural food is and natural water and, um, even community values, like your,
00:27:32
Liev Dalton
made alluding to here a little bit, right? Like these individuals, they danced and they ate with their families and communities, and there was a very strong connection there. So sometimes it does go beyond diet a little bit, but that diet piece is very fundamental, of course. There's no doubt about that.
00:27:50
Jones
I mean, with the with the Swiss, if you read the first section where he's analyzing modern and isolated people, he is um he's impressed that in the village they do not have any police or any um you know sheriff, anything like that. They don't need it. The village doesn't need it. There is no individual within that village who would think or go so low as to hurt somebody else in that village. And ah people like to say that it's a utopia to think that every individual in a society
00:28:28
Jones
would, from a problem ah probability standpoint, uphold such morals. But I don't think so, because the example is there in the book. ah That is possible. And if all the correct criteria are met, you can have such a society. And humans are supposed to live like that. um It's just that, yeah, we need a little bit more consciousness and a little bit more health.
00:28:56
Liev Dalton
Yeah, definitely. Yeah. So I
Revelations on Porn and Mental Health
00:29:00
Liev Dalton
kind of want to ask you, what was one of the most shocking revelations that you've ever had surrounding health?
00:29:06
Liev Dalton
You know, what was one of those things that was like, there was a lot of resistance before you could accept it, but you finally realized, wow, this, this is undeniably true. Uh, if you, if you don't got anything on the top of your head, I could probably give you one that that was for me, shocking.
00:29:22
Jones
you i know I know where you want to go with this, but I'm going to surprise you.
00:29:30
Liev Dalton
Hey.
00:29:31
Jones
It was actually important masturbation.
00:29:38
Liev Dalton
Yeah.
00:29:39
Jones
Yes, taking taking either taking that seriously, understanding the health risks there.
00:29:40
Liev Dalton
100%. Please elaborate.
00:29:47
Jones
That was the most, i would not necessarily the most shocking one, but it's the most hard one to accept, the most hard one to get into my brain. ah because Because most people my age in modern society and also younger and also older, they've been hooked since since early teenage years. Like for me, it was between 11 and 12. So for me, I'd say that. And the brain degeneration part. It's not that it shocked me, it's just that it put a lot of, um you know, if you continue doing this and you know that your brain is degenerating,
00:30:22
Jones
what why Why are you doing this if if for every other thing that you've ever encountered, you've immediately switched to doing it optimally, quitting it or introducing it, but depending on what it is. So the most shocking thing was that. Then when it comes to raw meat, because I know you want to go there. and i know I remember when I was a vegan.
00:30:48
Jones
Remember, um, you know, I was a fan of vegan gains and he obviously did the debates with, well, first got his swear yeah and then he did the debates with Frank de Fonda. But with the swear he wants, you know, you find that his channel, cause you look it up because we can get talking about him. Then you you click on a full day of eating video.
00:31:11
Jones
And as a person who never had had never seen raw animal foods diets, this guy was taking out the raw goddamn liver and eating it. And I remember being shocked. How is this guy not dead eating that? Why is he eating that?
00:31:27
Jones
Okay. It was really, really shocking. Um, but, but in terms of actually, um, accepting the fact that raw meat might be a good thing, Oginess as an individual, when he spoke about these things, I'd say it was pretty methodical. His lectures or workshops, as that he called them, they were pretty methodical in the way he explained the math. Yeah. The matter was.
00:31:55
Jones
Not shocking in any way if you're used to animal-based diets, which I was at the time of listening to Ojines' workshops and being introduced to his work. So nothing has really shocked me.
00:32:09
Jones
I'd say. I'm not the type of person to get shocked very easily, I'd say. But but with with porn and masturbation, that that's the only thing that has been, you know, accepting the brain degeneration. That's that's the main thing for me.
00:32:29
Liev Dalton
You know, I'm really interested actually in that topic. um We've talked a lot about raw meat. You can go and find more stuff on your channel as well about raw meat. So maybe we can save that. You know, I actually didn't have that much resistance towards the raw meat. At that point, I was already kind of, you know, the that the terrain was what really shocked me the most. If I were going to go there, it really did. I had the most resistance to that. So once I got over that hump,
00:32:56
Liev Dalton
Nothing shocks me anymore. i I try not to even have any resistance towards anything. People say things to me and I just try to wholly consider it as you know objectively as possible. But um I think when you're talking about something like porn and masturbation, you know that's something that has a lot of resistance. Like you mentioned, young men getting into it a very, very early age. It's very ingrained in our minds.
00:33:23
Liev Dalton
you know and everything appeals to that. you know All the advertisements and our world in general is so sexualized and you know they're taking advantage of of these young men. And it's very effective if you want to take advantage of individuals like that. I'm really interested in kind of how you came to into this knowledge and what you found that was really helpful in changing your perspective on it because this is something that that men will resist until they die. There'll be many men and that will resist this. It doesn't matter what you tell them. and I mean, like maybe there are some things that you could say. So what what are those really convincing pieces that that really helped you understand this better?
00:34:12
Jones
ah I don't think it was anything that was necessarily health related. I think it was ah understanding addictions better. So what helped me was the easy peasy method. That's really what helped me if you, if you know about it, but there's this ah man called Alan Carr.
00:34:34
Jones
He wrote a book called The Easy Way, and it's a way of quitting smoking just through reading a book. And he doesn't force you to quit smoking. He says, you can and smoke as much as you want when reading this book. Just when you finish the book, you can stop smoking. And he explains to you that so The reason you continue smoking is because of the last cigarette. It's not because you're addicted, it's just because of withdrawal pangs. And if you and the only reason you get withdrawal pangs is because you crave cigarettes, because you see value in them. And he tries to remove the value of them.
00:35:12
Jones
so that you get the withdrawal pang out of the way so that when you encounter it once you stop smoking there is no value attached to actually smoking because you understand that this is going to lead you into a rabbit hole that's never going to end.
00:35:30
Liev Dalton
All right.
00:35:31
Jones
And so many people have read that book and they've stopped smoking and it applies to any addiction. So there's this guy called Fraser Paterson, a guy from Australia.
00:35:42
Jones
He wrote a hackbook of it called the easy peasy method. So a hackbook is you take a book and you adapt it to, let's say so in another form, but it's essentially the same book.
00:35:53
Jones
So he did that and he published it for free on the internet. There's also an audio book and instead of smoking, it's all about porn, not necessarily, you know, excessive masturbation, but you know, quitting porn, because that's the main issue.
00:36:05
Jones
I'd say watching porn will drive you to masturbate far more than, you know, you just having masturbation because of the dopamine and everything.
00:36:10
Liev Dalton
Yeah.
00:36:12
Jones
So I found that book and and this wasn't too long ago. This was actually in 2022, but there I have more history regarding this topic. I have a very long streak before that in my teenage years, like et cetera. But again, I fell into it again, unfortunately. So I read that book and immediately.
00:36:35
Jones
I understood the nature of the addiction and I was able to quit quite easily. Then I fell into it again, but then I found that that together with a social support structure and not you know family members and everything, but you tell your friend, this is essentially what it is.
00:36:51
Jones
You tell your friend if I do the deed or watch anything you get $100 and if you're like me and you're you tend to try to be honest and you really don't like losing money It's a really effective way of of quitting because once you go two weeks to mostly 30 days The probability of you doing it again is going to be very, very low because you reset your brain to some degree, to baseline levels.
00:37:23
Jones
And then, you know, well once you go 90, 120 days, one year, then your brain is in pretty good shape. and If you eat well and your circadian, your circadian habits are good, et cetera, et cetera.
00:37:32
Liev Dalton
yeah
00:37:39
Jones
So in terms of quitting, these are the things that someone should do. Outside of that, I mean, again, as I mentioned, in terms of the health effects, if someone ah really responds to understanding
00:37:53
Liev Dalton
Yeah.
00:37:54
Jones
how something is bad for them when it comes to this topic.
00:37:57
Liev Dalton
Mhm.
00:37:57
Jones
I don't respond in terms of that in that way when it comes to this topic, but with everything else I do. Brain degeneration. There are studies published that show that people who are um well well people who view a lot of porn, they have less gray matter in the brain.
00:38:14
Jones
There are a bunch of areas in the brain that shrink ah the more ah you view porn. So once you know that, it's very hard to to continue because it's like it's exactly like taking a drug. And the the mechanism behind this, by the way, I've been thinking about this. When when you watch porn, you have to increase your dopamine quite a lot.
00:38:36
Jones
Now dopamine, if I'm not mistaken, you you you create it from tryptophan. I believe it's tryptophan, yes. And you can also create it from melanin. And melanin is really important in the brain. Melanin turns into a dopamine, but in any case, if I'm not mistaken.
00:38:55
Jones
If you constantly have to elevate your dopamine because of what's happening in your environment, and especially if it's linked to reproduction, your body will ah view your body views reproduction as more important than most things because we're talking about reproduction here.
00:39:11
Jones
So it will make sure that you get the dopamine response. It will make sure that you desire whatever it is that you're seeing on the screen. And so it has to create dopamine. So where is it going to get it from if it's created in the brain? The brain cells. So it has to take nutrients from the brain cells to create this dopamine, to create this dopamine flush and whatever else is happening in the brain. You know, there's a lot of activation going on over there.
00:39:36
Jones
and to respond to the environment, which is the porn viewing. And so that's how it causes brain degeneration and also nervous system the degeneration, et cetera, et cetera. And, and that's why in many cases you see that people who are, well, let's say not so chaste.
00:39:57
Jones
They tend to have hair loss, it's related. You know, nervous system abuse and hair loss, those go hand in hand. So that's why it's a very good idea if someone has a hair loss to probably go on SR, semen retention. But yeah, that's that's my take on the subject.
00:40:18
Liev Dalton
Yeah, I think from a very physical standpoint as well, I think every time you release, I think there's quite a lot of nutrients and minerals being lost and ah also what's required to even produce at that rate if you're constantly releasing, right? So um I think there's that, that likely be a part of it. You're mentioning, you know, depletion from a different standpoint. Depletion really seems like the underlying piece.
00:40:47
Liev Dalton
right You're being depleted physically. You're being depleted mentally. you know You're not nearly as motivated. you know It's such a so that it's a sedative. right You're so sedated after you're not trying to go out and achieve better health because why would you need to be more healthy and more optimal and you know a better warrior, hunter, father, whatever it may be.
00:41:09
Liev Dalton
You know, you don't have that purpose anymore because you just achieved that dopamine hit. If we want to explain it in these terms, you know, that, that you were so like, you were seeking that before, right?
00:41:14
Jones
I.
00:41:20
Liev Dalton
That's what you were kind of striving for and you can just get it whenever you want. Right? So there's kind of that mental part of it. Um, you know, people always talk about the spiritual side of it, right?
00:41:30
Liev Dalton
You're losing your energy, your life or stuff like that. I think there's a pretty solid argument behind that as well. um I remember learning about this in my history of medicine course, actually at university, believe it or not, it was probably one of the better courses I've ever taken at university. um You know, and and he spoke about, you know, the seed and it being a microcosm of the body, um contains everything that it needs to to become another life force, right, with obviously the the female counterpart.
00:42:07
Liev Dalton
um very just philosophically how they spoke about it in these times was very illuminating in how, you know, powerful this substance really is. One of the most vital, powerful substances on earth, like the egg, right? Some of the healthiest foods like eggs, um oysters are whole, right? Things that are, it's ah it's a whole substance, right? It's a whole, it's a half of a whole, I guess, in a way. but Um, you know, it's, it's a very, very, you don't want to be just releasing that, you know, all the time. Right. And you can think about it from three very obvious standpoints, physical, spiritual, the mental, right? So the brain degeneration piece, I think is, is one of the most fascinating things that is not spoken about. Obviously off the detrimental effects aren't really spoken about too often, but, um,
00:43:06
Liev Dalton
A lot of people don't smoke because of that. A lot of people don't, you know, do drugs because of that because of the brain degeneration piece or the real unhealthy side of it. So, uh, I think getting the word out around that could be really helpful as well. And I don't think that's talked about enough. Obviously none of what we're talking about on our YouTube channels and podcasts and social media is just being talked about enough. But, um, here's just another part of the coin.
00:43:34
Jones
I will add that with when it comes to resources, if someone wants a good resource, there is the website and it's the most popular website, Your Brain on Porn. That's a good website and in terms of studies, in terms of science. And another thing is, in modern society, this stuff is really available. So back in the day, it wasn't available and I'm not talking about so 50 years ago. I'm talking about 500 years ago, even farther back than that. ah But so with 500 years ago, you had people living on farms, there nothing like that exists. And it's but much easier to avoid it if it doesn't exist. So I will say,
00:44:19
Jones
Just adding to the ah to the other methods that I talked about. If someone is able to go to an environment where you can't do it or it doesn't exist, so you woof on a farm. Woofing is you know you go to an organic farm um and you work there. Pretty popular with young people. I learned about it from various some odd.
00:44:43
Jones
If you go there and let's say it's a place where you don't have any internet, which would be ideal, you can't do it. You don't have access to that stuff. So that's, that's the absolute best way to quit. You go to a place where it doesn't exist. That's the most effective way. If you've tried everything and it doesn't work.
00:45:03
Liev Dalton
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, that that environment piece is huge. It could go for health as well. you know like Often a lot of people when they're in these you know third stage cancer states, they go down to an organic retreat where they spend month, two months, whatever whatever it is, where it's an absolutely pure and optimal environment um and they don't have to worry about accidental toxicities, stuff like that. It makes it very easy to eat pure organic food and avoid EMFs and get sunlight every day, stuff like that, right? So um obviously a great, great, great addition there. That's amazing.
00:45:42
Liev Dalton
um
00:45:44
Liev Dalton
Great conversation about that. I mean, I guess we can kind of roll into the other shocking thing. We got a couple of minutes left here. um eating raw, pure foods, something that obviously is making a comeback, like comeback in a way, right? The natural human diet. But um for a while, the trend was to eat raw plant foods. You mentioned that you were ex vegan. um
Transition from Veganism to Raw Animal Diet
00:46:15
Liev Dalton
You know, I even briefly there, I thought I didn't act
00:46:20
Liev Dalton
I didn't act, but I thought that a pure plant-based diet, raw foods was the optimal human diet. There was a time that I thought that very briefly, but and I never stopped eating steak, so I'm really happy about that. but um i'm I'm curious about your experience there. you know Now, I find that everything that I've learned in researching the raw plant diet A lot of the logic still applies to consuming raw animal products. I find it's the most unadulterated food. It's hydrating. It's full of minerals. It's not denatured at all, stuff like that. like A lot of these fundamental principles I think still hold true. Curious about your transition from
00:47:06
Liev Dalton
plants too. You mentioned vegan gains. I remember watching him back in the day. He was an entertaining guy to watch and doing the the debates and all that. That was fun. But yeah, I'm curious about your transition there.
00:47:18
Jones
Yeah, so I was at, I had been vegan for like a year and a half, a year and yeah yeah, something like a year and a bunch of months. And I had acne, I had bloating, I had all these health issues and I wanted to get rid of them. Through Vegan Gains, I found Frank Tofono and I started watching Frank Tofono's nowadays older videos about nutrition.
00:47:47
Jones
Nowadays he doesn't make videos about nutrition really, but the old videos are really helpful. And he was talking about how... High quality animal foods are the most nutrient dense and bioavailable and how plants don't have this and they don't have that and they're not bioavailable. And that your animal foods, specifically this point was important, your animal foods should come from healthy animals. So a cow needs to be grass fed in a very nice environment. And I thought, well, if a cow is in a very nice environment, that's pretty ethical, isn't it?
00:48:23
Jones
Because I was also thinking about the ethics as well. So I thought, well, if these animal foods are coming from these nice environments and and what he's saying is true, then I don't really have a problem considering eating them. So I got some Parmesan cheese to begin with. And well actually, I started with a boiled egg. Got a horrible allergic reaction because of the leaky gut and everything. So I still can't eat eggs, by the way.
00:48:50
Jones
Then I tried Parmesan cheese and my acne got worse and I wasn't measuring everything, all the animal foods through acne. Like if it got worse or not. With the Parmesan cheese, or I should say Parmigiano Reggiano because it was raw, of course, it still got worse. Then I tried meat and it was the 1st of July, 2019. Yes.
00:49:15
Jones
I tried it and I thought I would get constipated. And it was cooked, of course. Three, three steaks, small steaks. Thought I would get constipated. Thought I would get out with some problems. Checked myself, you know, the first day woke up the second day because you get the acne the second day. Checked my face. No, didn't get worse. Ball movements were fine.
00:49:34
Jones
felt good. I said, okay, good. I'll continue eating meat. So my my diet it became and cooked meat with broccoli. That's one meal. And then the second meal was oatmeal. I used to eat a bunch of oatmeal, huge bowls of oatmeal. I used to soak it and I used to put things in it. ah But in any case, that continued you know from July to Let's say November, November I got ah introduced into two ogenesis work through Frank Dufano again, listened to the workshop, started eating raw meat, transitioned to it in November, but the ultimate was still there. Then in January.
00:50:11
Jones
I thought I have to remove the oatmeal to make progress with the acne because the acne had gotten better. There are a few steps I took in between, but in any case, I got raw milk from a Facebook group, tried that and I thought, okay, this is going to replace the oatmeal because I was thinking of calories. I didn't want to lose weight. I wanted it to be pretty buff. Used to work out a lot at that point.
00:50:32
Jones
And ah I got an allergic reaction again, even when fermented, even in the fermented state, I got an allergic reaction. So I said, okay, if this, I didn't want to consume two meat meals because at the time or not at the time.
00:50:49
Jones
and I didn't ent want my father or my family to pay too much for the meat, oatmeal is much cheaper. So it was pretty, it so was an economical thought. But then I thought it's yeah like I really need to eat two meat meals. There's no other way to do it. So I transitioned to that. So I started eating two raw meat meals a day. And that was the first time I had drastically lowered my carbohydrate consumption. So for three weeks, I was becoming fat adapted.
00:51:15
Jones
And after the three weeks, I felt, okay, now I can run on fat without too many powers. And then, yeah, that was my transition from from veganism to a raw animal based diet.
00:51:29
Liev Dalton
Well, interesting. Yeah. I found it really interesting with the, the reactions that you had. So now you say you still can't consume eggs, even raw. And, and what about milk now?
00:51:39
Jones
Yes.
00:51:43
Liev Dalton
How is it?
00:51:44
Jones
Yeah, milk is fine. Milk is fine. No problems.
00:51:45
Liev Dalton
Milk as fuck. Yeah.
00:51:47
Jones
You know, when I began consuming it again, a year later, 15, no, 14 months after that.
00:51:48
Liev Dalton
Interesting.
00:51:54
Jones
So this was when I consumed it and got an allergic reaction. And then I went on to raw animal more foods completely. That was in January, 2020. I got raw milk again, after having been on that diet for 14 months and in March, 2021.
00:52:11
Jones
I started consuming raw milk in its fresh state, I got an allergic reaction. Then I fermented it, still got an itchy throat, itchy ears a little bit, but then I noticed that it wasn't bad, so I could drink it again.
00:52:26
Jones
and then Five glasses into that, not in the same day, of course, spaced out, the allergy reaction went away. So then I consumed it for, man, actually, I quit drinking raw milk from the source that I had gotten it from all these years, like a month ago.
00:52:35
Liev Dalton
Mm.
00:52:48
Jones
two months ago, something like that. And that's because they have A1 Holstein cows, and I asked them about what they were feeding them, or if they used, pit no, I asked them if they used pesticides on the farm anywhere. And they said, yes, we do spray the grains. it's an ant It's to kill weeds. And then they said that they give the grains to the cows. So I thought, oh, okay, so I've been drinking pesticides all this time.
00:53:15
Jones
ah So yeah, I had to quit and I noticed that when I quit when when I went periods without the raw milk now my heart rate went down. So I have had an elevated heart rate and I believe it it has been because of the pesticides in the milk. Something is wrong with the milk. It's A1 milk and it has pesticides in it and it was just doing something that's very wrong. So I quit it and now I feel fine. I used to need it for digestion. Now my digestive tract is fine because of the raw milk, even though it has pesticides, speaks to the power for animal foods.
00:53:49
Jones
And so I don't need it anymore.
00:53:54
Liev Dalton
Interesting. So
Origins of Allergies and Detoxification
00:53:55
Liev Dalton
I'm really curious about what your thoughts are on allergies.
00:54:01
Jones
ah I think, I remember Oginess said, or yeah, he said that it was because you eat something and it's the cooked food being detoxified. I think that's wrong. I think his model is wrong. That might be the case sometimes, maybe.
00:54:22
Jones
but not in most cases. I think the problem is a mix of the alternative health space and the the standard medical establishment. I think they have this nailed down pretty well. So you eat something and you have leaky gut and this is for intolerances mainly. ah You eat something and you have leaky gut and it goes into the bloodstream.
00:54:46
Jones
And it's not supposed to be in the bloodstream. So your body tags it and says, this is not supposed to be in the bloodstream. And again, all the bad effects of leaky gut happen. It goes to the rain, the joints, it gets detoxified through the skin, you get to acne, et cetera, all the bad effects of leaky gut. um But it also tags it with a B cell. So it remembers a memory B cell. I'm pretty sure it's called. And this is standard medical establishment stuff.
00:55:12
Jones
It tags it and it remembers it. So then it's able to detect it at the mouth. And so it detects it as pollution and you get this allergic, or yeah, you could say allergic reaction, intolerance reaction, that's everyone to call it. But that's mainly for intolerances.
00:55:29
Jones
And that's what most people have with eggs, with milk, et cetera. And when once they heal the leaky gut and they and make sure that the mast cells relax a little bit, then ah usually they're able to um do introduce it in small amounts and then they're able to consume these foods again. With allergies, what I've noticed is that people who are pretty polluted get them.
00:55:58
Jones
That's just the pattern I've seen. and When someone has a bunch of heavy metals in their system, they they they they haven't lived in a very good manner. They suddenly get um paul hay fever, pollen allergies, and all of these things that they didn't have before.
00:56:15
Jones
And what's interesting is that I've also seen that if you get enough sunlight or if you don't get enough sunlight, you also get this problem. I think it's because sunlight is a great detoxifier as well because of melanin and ah exclusions on water, but that's another story.
00:56:32
Jones
Those two things, being vitamin D deficient and having a lot of pollution in the body. I think for general allergies, so not intolerances, but for general allergies, that's what I've seen and contribute the most to these problems.
00:56:39
Liev Dalton
Cool.
00:56:51
Liev Dalton
twelve Awesome, brother. Uh, Probably a good time to wrap it up. Let me hear some final thoughts on the episode. Anything you want to add, anything you think you might have missed, now is the time to add it in.
00:57:09
Jones
I don't know. And I think that it's okay. I think not knowing, ah not no, not knowing always comes prior to knowing. So being in that state is a very good idea um for whatever it is that one is doing at any moment.
00:57:34
Liev Dalton
Beautiful.
Conclusion and Listener Engagement
00:57:36
Liev Dalton
Well, I don't think that we can end on a better note than that. I, I, we say that all the time, you know, it's important to be comfortable with, with the unknown, with not knowing, you know, so I think that's, that's a really good point that not many of us can, can do. And it kind of comes back to even, you know, earlier in the episode, um, when I asked you, you know, about the mechanism or the process of maybe detoxification in a way, I'm probably simplifying it maybe a little too much, but, um,
00:58:04
Liev Dalton
You mentioned that you know nobody knows this and you know we live in a world where a lot of people would claim to know these things. right They claim to know a lot when in fact we might not know as much as we we do. and For me, being uncomfortable and that unknown was one of the most helpful things in in trying to understand a little bit more about our reality and understanding more about health and and you know just being able to you know improve my judgment on what I believe is true and and false. So that's great. Jones, how can the listener find you, listen to more of your work? How can they support you?
00:58:44
Jones
Yeah, I have a YouTube channel called Excellent Health. My main work is over there. And yeah, I do have other social media accounts, but I wouldn't want anyone to go there because the main yeah no no but the main the main work, the main way someone can be productive ah is through the YouTube channel. So I wouldn't want to recommend anything else.
00:59:05
Jones
And then once they've looked at the YouTube channel, I do have a free PDF called the Rules of Nutrition. And then I have a book, but that's, you you know, you'll learn about that inside Rules of Nutrition. And then again, once someone is acquainted with my work and they trust me, then if they do have some issues that they like to discuss, I do do consultations.
00:59:28
Jones
But in general, I think for most people, if you dig into my videos, you'll find quite a lot of good stuff. And I mean, your podcast is also a great source of information as well. So and that's also something I can recommend.
00:59:40
Jones
recommend And ah just to throw that out there, because the most important thing is the viewer. Check out Jack Cruz's work. The guy is a goldmine.
00:59:49
Liev Dalton
a it isn
00:59:49
Jones
But yeah, yeah that's all.
00:59:51
Liev Dalton
yeah Yeah, amazing, amazing brother. I appreciate that too. So yeah, that's great. Well, I'll put the links down below for everyone to to go and be able to access that really easily. So thank you so much for coming on, man. It's been a great discussion. We'll have to do it again in the future.
01:00:05
Jones
Absolutely. Thank you.
01:00:08
Liev Dalton
I want to thank you all for listening. You should all know that this is, of course, not medical advice and for your informational purposes only. But also remember that we're all responsible sovereign beings capable of thinking, criticizing, and understanding absolutely anything. We, the people in the greater forces, are together self-healer, self-governable, self-teachers, and so much more. Make sure to reach out with your thoughts on the videos. Give us any questions, criticism, comments, concerns. I love to hear it all. You know where to find me on Instagram. You can send me an email if you'd like. You can probably find that somewhere around.
01:00:37
Liev Dalton
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01:01:02
Liev Dalton
Thanks for coming to check it out. Remember, they're two types of people in the world. Those believe they can, those believe they can't, and they are both correct. Thanks for listening, guys. Take care.