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Child's Play 3
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Join Nick and Mercedes as they conclude Chucky and Andy's epic saga! They pick apart all of the things they find awful about this movie, touching on some of their positive takeaways. Is this the worst movie in the series? Quite possibly.
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Introduction and Host Banter
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What's up, guys? We're Morbid Curiosity is bringing you another episode. I'm Nicholas Ewers, and with me is the lightweight champion of the world, the morbid mistress of mayhem, Mercedes Martinez.
00:01:45
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um Crap, I need to get back to your your cool your cool name that I came up for you, but... That intro just captured you so much. You're like, wow. Isn't it going turn into this Groot doll that is next to him?
00:02:02
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I do have a Groot doll next to me. Oh, nice. No, very, very captivated by that. um Yeah, so your name. we We had talked about this before. um Let me let me me get ready.
00:02:21
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The nefarious nomad, the numbing nightmare, your next door and necromancer. Nicholas Ewers. Otherwise, i could have called you the noodle, the nifty noodle, the nifty noodle. I should have i shouldve stuck with that.
00:02:39
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Gross.
00:02:41
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Well, I updated it. I made it better. We we improved here. I like the next door necromancer. that That's my favorite. um i For some reason, I thought you were going to say the next door necrophiliac. I was like please don't say that. That's why I was nervous to say it because I'm like, watch, I say the wrong word and that's going throw it off entirely.
00:03:07
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So I was so nervous to say that, but I made sure that was the right one. You just completely offend me. It's like, well, I don't remember that in dress rehearsal. I know. No, watch one day. I'll say that on mic and I'll say the wrong word.
00:03:21
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And whoops, here we are. It'll happen. I say the wrong thing all the time. Same. Me too. It's bad. I make people cry a lot.
00:03:35
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Listening back to the Child's Play episode, I think that's one it
Child's Play 3: Initial Thoughts
00:03:41
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is. I guess or I mentioned Gina Gershom being in Bride of Chucky. That's not even the correct actress. Maybe I'm relitigating this from Child's Play 2, but yeah, God, that's so embarrassing. Listeners, like, oh man, I just had to eat that one. I couldn't edit it out and have it make sense still.
00:04:01
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Yeah. It's okay. you know we We're doing this podcast to be subjective, to talk about our opinions, our experiences with these movies. We are at least getting but trying to get the date of the movie and the director right.
00:04:19
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um you know The actors and actresses, we can just at least call them by their name in the movie, and then we'd be good. We're not overachievers here.
00:04:31
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Yeah, and it's it's a movie i haven't seen. i just got confident. I was like, I'm pretty sure this actress is in Bride of Chucky, which I'm like super excited to talk about.
00:04:42
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but Today we're going to be talking about Child's Play 3. and Real quick, um I just want to say you're listening to this on St. Patrick's Day. ah Shout out to the Irish.
00:04:55
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um Now you got to do an Irish accent. I was about to, I couldn't find it in my tongue and I didn't want to fall flat on my face. was like trying to form it.
00:05:09
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um It's a very hard accent to pull off. it's It's very difficult. um but If it comes to you, let it flow. I will. This, I mean, Chucky's a redhead. This is a very Irish movie, if you ask me.
00:05:24
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So Child's Play 3 specifically just speaks Irish. So thank God you guys are getting it today. Also, it's my nephew's birthday. You know, shout out.
00:05:35
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I don't know if I'm allowed to say his name on the podcast. So I almost said it, but shout out to my nephew. who You know, you'll know this if you're hearing it. Child's Play 3, your favorite movie, I'm sure.
00:05:50
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right Right behind Cars and the Paw Patrol movie is Child's Play 3. He's always talking about Child's Play 3. I think all the kids can't stop talking about Child's Play 3.
00:06:03
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um I think you couldn't stop talking about it. you you were just prepping yourself because the other two episodes you kept calling Chucky Charles. And what do you know? That's pretty much what he's referred to in this movie as...
00:06:21
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So spoilers ahead for Child's Play 3. um You already alluded to that over the course of these past two Chucky movies. And gotta say, again, spoilers, gotta say, not a fan Of ah Tyler stealing my bit.
00:06:41
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i I think I'd do it better. um was sarah's mercedes you though? Yes, I do. I have all the panache and cuteness and charm of this of this little boy.
00:06:59
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you know i i feel like I did it better than him. I pulled it off. If you believe that, I believe in you.
00:07:11
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He's pretty obnoxious. Oh, yeah, he is. He's definitely... I don't know. I'm not a fan of his character, but I'm not a fan of anyone in this ah in this movie except two.
00:07:23
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So, um yeah, we'll get to that in a second. I hate this movie. it is one of the movies in this franchise that I hate.
Production and Creativity Concerns
00:07:34
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There's a few other ones I don't like, but...
00:07:37
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fucking hate this movie there there's just nothing to latch on to with this um even in the documentary um like cult of chucky or what i i forgot it what the name of it is doc of chucky doc of chucky oh yeah cult of chucky is actually one of the movies um but that would be funny if it was a documentary i know um but they were even talking about how um who was it, the writers or director, um they were saying they felt like they
00:08:14
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drained out the story between Andy and Chucky, so they wanted to take a new route, which doesn't make sense because they snagged a different actor to play Andy, and then he's in a military school. So essentially, they are following him, but they bring in a different character, your favorite Tyler,
00:08:36
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and um got a new kid to pick on yes exactly um but yeah so it's the same premise in a way it's i don't know this one is boring they could have gone so many different ways but i don't know i what did you not like or even like about this film Yeah, you're assuming I didn't like this. what what What's with that? What if this is my favorite movie of all time now?
00:09:08
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Because I guarantee it's not. If you were to pick between this one and Jurassic Park, which one would you pick? Jurassic Park's not my favorite movie. but but Between those two, which one would you pick?
00:09:22
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Oh man, Jurassic Park. Exactly. So this one is not your favorite movie of all time. I mean, i would put Jurassic Park. Point proven. Jurassic Park 3 is light years ahead of this fucking just, I almost called it a dumpster fire, but there's not enough going on in this movie to call it a dumpster fire. It's like such a low effort.
00:09:46
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attempt at a sequel it came out nine months i want to say after child's play 2 1991 to 1990 or 1990 to 1991 i think are the two years it was just rushed out by universal and everything about this feels rushed it feels just low effort all around.
00:10:08
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It's pretty boring. like There's not a lot to chew on. um The stuff involving Charles isn't even that interesting. His kills, he just lacks motivation. i We'll get into that a bit more, but Yeah, I'm not a fan of Child's Play 3. I'm really looking for Bride of Chucky to redeem this thing. I'm hoping Bride of Chucky seems like a movie that's at least like doing stuff. like
00:10:43
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The excitement for Bride of Chucky pushed me to watch Frankenstein today, and I'm going to watch Bride of Frankenstein after Bride of Chucky just to see if there's any kind of relationship or relation to each other. And even if there's not,
00:10:57
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Fuck man watching Frankenstein was like a breath of fresh air compared to child's play three like I watched both of them back to back today. Yeah, see it.
00:11:09
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See I was right in that whole conversation. All had to say was Mercedes you know what you're right. Was that so hard Nicholas. instead of saying the past two minutes of stuff I just said yes exactly um but yeah this movie you follow Andy he's going into a military school I do like that aspect I do um just because I like military lifestyle um most of it anyway but
00:11:42
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Again, there the storyline is is boring. yeah All the characters that are introduced in here, you don't care about them at all. At least when um Andy was played by Alex Vincent in the first two, you grew to love his character.
00:11:59
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From the moment that he made that amazing, delicious breakfast for his mother... The one that you dream to have every single day. Yes. from ah To where he became, you know, siblings, buds with ah Kyle in the second one.
00:12:18
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You love the kid. um You love his voice. He's adorable. um you You love his mom, Karen. ah Kyle, she's a badass. And here you don't really like anyone except Chucky just because he's Chucky and voiced by Brad Dourif.
00:12:39
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Um, but then you also get the cool character of Shelton or Sheldon, however they pronounce his name. Um, I was pronouncing it Sheldon like with a D and then I saw that it was spelled with a T. So.
00:12:56
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Shelton. Shelton. it's um shelter It sounds weird when you say Shelton. Shelton sounds better, but okay. Yes. Colonel Shelton. Young Sheldon. Yeah. Um,
00:13:11
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yeah um the The choice for it to be ah teenage Andy, I don't think really worked for me at all.
00:13:24
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If you were going to go in a different direction, i would say just go with a completely different kid if you felt like you exhausted this version of Andy. The movie's called Child's Play, and the the first two work best, I think, when it's operating as, like, it you're you're fearful for this kid. Like, he can't defend himself like these adults can, and he's these adults are getting taken down left and right.
00:13:56
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You're fearful for the kid, but then you're also like, what kind of... Home Alone trap could this kid set up or something. Like in Child's Play 2 when they're in the factory. like It's fun. There's a lot of antics that go on with these two movies given the locations and given the age of the protagonist that we're dealing with.
00:14:19
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And this movie loses both of those. It's one location. ah i don't know if that was just because it was easier to write. It feels...
Setting and Character Critiques
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odd to me. It just feels like lazy. Like, we're going to set this at one location, whereas the first Child's Play is hopping around all over the place. Same with Child's Play 2.
00:14:41
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And... Yeah, I don't know. It doesn't feel like there's much of a threat when there's a lot of adults with weapons around them.
00:14:52
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Like, they're in a place where you could... Chucky feels more like he's kind of in danger at this military school than the actual people there. I mean, Chucky fails at killing people a couple times in this movie.
00:15:09
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True. He's even, you know... ah getting lipstick put on him. He's getting bullied into that. So I don't know his, i will always love Chucky in every movie, but even his character in here, it's, they were trying to be funny more so with his one liners instead of him being scary or at least, you know, having that slasher effect that he did in the first and the second one. So, um, yeah, I'll,
00:15:43
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They really did not need to go this route. Um, and I feel like they did rush it. Well, obviously they rushed it, but yeah, they were trying to keep it in one filming location. And then at the end they ended up going into the woods for their, um, their, uh,
00:16:04
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what was it, their paintball game or whatever? and Yeah, or capture the flag. Yeah, that. um So they were doing that, and then they show a glimpse of the carnival, and that's where that whole scene even ends too, which was strange. um the carnival even set up?
00:16:27
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Yeah, it was set up. um it was yeah It was in motion already. all the Everyone who was in that town, they were all there. um and meant like plot-wise. Did they mention the carnival at any point before they got... It was just there, right?
00:16:44
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Yeah, Da Silva takes Andy over there and like, oh, let me show you something. They have this every year. Okay, why is that important? Yeah. You'd think it would be easy to drop a line like, hey, there's going to be a carnival in town or something. So it would make a little bit more sense. And so it would feel like, oh, we're at the carnival. Like, this is the setup. Like, characters were talking about this. Now we're here. Like, you know, make it feel like it would be bad for this situation to break out at a carnival. Not just, oh, now we're at a carnival now. It seems like they didn't really put any thought into it.
00:17:24
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They do have a callback that I noticed on my third watch of this movie. Third time's a charm. Child's Play 3.
00:17:36
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ah Yeah, exactly. Oddly enough, I watched it without volume the third time i was working, but the Andy's shitty aim, they call back to it at the very end when he's shooting at Chucky and still has shitty aim for most of the shots.
00:17:55
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Mm-hmm. And I was just like, oh, wow, this movie actually has a callback in it. Like that right caught me so off guard. I'm like, oh, it's functioning as a conventional movie.
00:18:06
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oh good Good for this movie, Jack Bender. Good for him. think The one part that's good. Yeah, I think he was a TV filmmaker, this Jack Bender guy.
00:18:18
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Okay. um Yeah, so that good detail is... And Colonel Sheldon. Those are the only redeeming qualities of this movie.
00:18:30
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Yeah, Sheldon is ah and the strongest part. played by thector sheldon or up ah Played by the actor Travis Fine, that's his name. um did Did you watch ah his part of the Doc of Chucky?
00:18:44
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I did. And i rewatched it because I saw your notes and i did not know any of that. I guess the first time I watched the Doc of Chucky, um I fell asleep during that part or i just, I don't know, maybe wasn't paying attention because Child's Playthrough sucks.
00:19:04
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um But yeah, I did not know that he played his role as a bisexual man. Yeah. Yeah, Travis Fine is bisexual in real life, and so he plays this character as bisexual. and And it reads that way, doesn't it?
00:19:26
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i have to, I don't know. I'm half and half on it. what well First, you tell me how you see it Oh, I fully just picked up on like the homoerotic nature um of like there their interactions his interactions with Andy. And even like the guy who psychotically stares at Andy. I mean, there is...
00:19:49
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ah kind of like something naturally like ah homoerotic to a bunch of men doing all these physical activities together like they say that about things like this or like wrestling any type of like you know it's like we're men you know uh there is like a homoeroticism that comes out to that and that like I felt it the first few times watching ah Child's Play 3, but watching Doc of Chucky and when they were cutting back to clips as the actor was talking, him like, that does make sense. I like see it, and I i do really enjoy um i enjoy that performance. It's like he's taking a character that just is nothing on the page and really adding as much as he can to it. and
00:20:40
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it It elevates this movie to like a certain degree just because of ah this guy. I really enjoyed it. He became my favorite part of this movie um very quickly. And he was someone I enjoyed um to begin with, I'd say.
00:20:58
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Yeah, yeah.
00:21:01
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I guess when I watched it, like the first few times that I watched it, whenever I watched it before, i obviously never picked up on that because I was young.
00:21:12
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And then just watching it as an adult, I guess I had that mindset still. oh he's just bullying him. um You know, he's just doing like his student job, whatever.
00:21:24
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um Once I watched Doc of Chucky and they did do those playbacks, i'm I was really surprised. And yeah, that opened my eyes a lot more. Even if they played into that, like, oh, Sheldon has his eye on the new boy because he's like, oh, this is a new kid here.
00:21:47
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Maybe there's something there with him and they tried to feed into that. That could have made a better direction of this movie. I don't know. i I don't even know if it's like he has his eye on him. I think it's almost just like confused, like sexuality almost like he's like, I'm feeling things for this guy that I don't want to feel, you know? And yeah,
00:22:13
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It could be because of, like, you know, there's cases of people, you know, having repressed sexuality, like people who are, like, very religious or very, like, conservative, where goes against their ideals or their philosophies, like repressed homosexuality. And it feels like it could be a case of of that a little bit.
00:22:35
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No, I agree with that. um I'm just saying, like, in terms of when they were all in formation, Sheldon's looking at everybody, and then he just kind of does a double take and goes back to Andy.
00:22:48
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And then, um yeah, just... He's feeling things. he's like Exactly. exactly so it's like why If that was the case, if they had him openly play a bisexual character, why didn't they add that into the storyline? Even Don Mancini was like more so than what they did. Don Mancini said he was... Oh, I can't think of the word.
00:23:16
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um He was adding... homosexuality to the movie that he's he used a different word but um he was saying oh I'm going to start adding that to this and he was referring to when DeSilva puts um lipstick on Chucky but I mean this is another part too so it's I think it's a little surprising that maybe they didn't add that detail I'm just saying it could have been more interesting I don't think they were creative enough to really be able... And they were like pretty pressed for time. like Writing a script usually takes ah a very long time. Nine months for a script to be written, a movie to go into production and get edited and filmed. That's a crazy short. That's insane, yeah.
00:24:03
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I don't think they would have had the time or the, like, judging from, like, the doc of Chucky and the people that were involved. There were way less creative people involved by the time we get to Child's Play 3.
00:24:16
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I don't know if they would have had the creativity to regulate really figure out a, like, tasteful or nuanced way to bring in, like, a bisexuality or a homosexuality narrative in, like, the early 90s, too. like True. it i don't know how.
00:24:34
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Yeah, it could have been very interesting. Nightmare on Elm Street 2 also has a homosexuality narrative that I'm pretty interested in checking out. I like little touches of that in my movies, little like personal touches. I find it very interesting. They alluded to the idea of Shelton also having a relationship with the lady. De Silva, that's her name?
00:25:02
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the Man, that's such a man's name. and feel like I know a De Silva and he's a man that like plays bass or something like that. I think his name, I'm not going to say his first name.
00:25:14
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I think you just want everyone to be a man that plays bass. Just playing the bass that... They can be a woman too. You just you need the bass in there. That's all you need. You're all about that bass.
00:25:26
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Exactly. um i don't appreciate that reference. I hate that song, actually. No, I hate that song too, honestly. I'll take it back, but I had to throw it in there. I had to throw it in there. um Sheldon and Andy would have been ah much better couple than Andy and Da Silva.
00:25:46
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My God. That's... So that that's actually what I wanted to get to. Da Silva is like such a nothing like non-interesting character compared to the two women we've had accompany Andy before. Like Karen and Kyle fucking rule. They're like two of my favorite like...
00:26:08
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women in like horror i think like women that aren't like the leads of the movie like supporting women of horror uh would be like kyle and karen ah it might be a dumb statement i need to thoroughly look at the movies i've seen and the characters that are in them before i fully commit to that but no that's their names Da Silva is just a nothing character. And to your point of Shelton and um Andy having a more interesting relationship, they have better on on-screen chemistry.
00:26:42
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Yes. And they kill Shelton off in such a tossed-off, annoying way. my God. They should have had the nerd... or Da Silva, I think the nerd should have died in that moment.
00:26:57
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And Shelton and Andy should have teamed up and there should have been a Shelton redemption. And maybe they should have kissed at the end, who knows? But there should have been a Shelton redeeming story arc and they should have teamed up to defeat Chucky.
00:27:13
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And honestly, maybe Shelton should have saved Andy and fully killed Chucky. God, Andy sucks in this movie. He really does. um and also, the nerd is named Whitehurst.
00:27:26
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Get it together. um I like my better. Dork. um Okay, let's go with Dork. So the Dork, yes, he Whitehurst had a better death be scene than Sheldon, and that bothered me. Yeah, they were trying to, i don't know, give him a heroic type of death, but... How did he die?
00:27:54
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Chucky throws a grenade, and he's the only one who sees it because everyone was tending to Sheldon, and then he jumps on it um and it blows up. but Fuck that guy Yeah, i I didn't like him. He was bitch.
00:28:09
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They all suck. Everybody. Oh, wait. I forgot one of my other favorite characters in here. ah the The barber. I thought you hated the barber.
00:28:22
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I mean, no, he he has some humorous moments, but he's fucking creepy too. He at least adds something else to this film, but he's only in a couple of scenes. um And even with him, there's like some, you know, just the way he's going up to the students when they're in um
Chucky's Motivation Questioned
00:28:46
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the mess hall. And he's just like,
00:28:49
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all up on these kids, just like grazing his hand over all their heads to see they're short very sexual. Yes, thank you. even... even just giving them their haircuts he's like yeah you know he's so into it and the creepy part about him outside of that is if you look in his little barber shop there he has locks of hair from every student that he's cut their hair and has a picture of them too to match with it that is fucking creepy why is that allowed
00:29:23
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And how come none of them were looking at the camera when he was taking these pictures? You see what I mean? It's so fucking creepy. At least that was a cooler aspect than anything that Andy had to offer in here. da silva De Silva is like a million years older than Andy. no age isn't always...
00:29:43
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the main issue but yeah there is nothing between them just discriminating against older people i mean i'm oh i call myself an old sag all the time so and i did not make up that nickname um my sister-in-law did so yeah old sag old sag like um I would say the deaths in this movie overall are pretty underwhelming and uncreative.
00:30:14
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ah Like the barber's death is just a throat slit, I think, right? Just nothing more to it. The garbage man's like arm gets crushed. We don't even see what happens to him.
00:30:27
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The one military guy has like a heart attack and dies. That was so stupid. Yeah. This movie just, I've already said it a bunch, but it just really lacks the creativity, the panache that the other movies had.
00:30:48
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Yeah, at least like the yeah other two movies, you have the good storyline of, you know, Andy knowing that Chucky is real and no one believing him.
00:30:59
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Then that bleeds into the second one where this new family doesn't believe him, but they slowly begin to, um or at least Kyle does at the end. Everyone else doesn't make it past meeting Chucky before they die.
00:31:14
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um And then this one, it's trying to find a new point of view for Chucky, new person, but I don't know. Tyler, he's just a lame kid. you Why isn't anyone picking on Tyler? i don't know.
00:31:35
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Oh, because he's... I i don't and't know if he comes from a military family. I feel like kids that are in like military school at that young of an age or a military environment usually come from some kind of military family. So...
00:31:51
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I just kind of assumed like he's got a built-in respect from everybody. Maybe just for being the youngest and having to do what everybody else does. um There's an automatic built-in respect. But everybody does hand handle him with a kindness or like a grace that they don't handle each other or anybody else with. Tyler's like this untouchable kind of kid.
00:32:18
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But... um that That brings me to a point about like Tyler and Andy and Chucky and their whole involvement together.
00:32:29
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um they
00:32:33
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Chucky, and correct me if I'm wrong, Chucky doesn't really have a reason to be going after Andy in this movie, right? No, he starts to, but then realizes he has a new body so he can talk to someone else. um And that's when Tyler comes into play.
00:32:54
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why doesn't he just leave and just just go find anybody else go like go find a baby and like take over a baby and i don't know does he do that at any point in these movies take over a baby no um they've all been tv show No, nothing like that. at least not anything that I've seen. Um, but I mean, that's true. He's probably just really anxious to get out of his body. Just the first person he talks to. okay Yeah, let's go.
00:33:31
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Even when he sees, um, Andy and Da Silva making out in the woods, he's just like, man, I got to get out of this body. Um, Do you think Child's Play 3 is better if he's just is like, oh man, I can start over. It's like Andy's too old. i want a young body and to have like ah fresh start at life.
00:33:56
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And it's just him going after a different kid and you just figure out how to do more creative Child's Play stuff. It's the Jurassic Park 3 thing. Just like why I think Jurassic Park 3 works and the others don't.
00:34:09
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it's just dinosaurs on the island like hunting people nothing too special no like crazy like plot lines there's no poachers or like you know prehistoric bugs taking over the world um it it just dinosaurs on an island why couldn't this just be chucky after a kid right um And that's what I mean. They were trying to find a different storyline of to go with since they pretty much bled out the you know story with him, Andy, and Chucky.
00:34:47
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But they still leave Andy as a... or bring Andy as a character in here. Why? and it's not even the same actor, so there was really no point for him to be in here. So, yes, if they had...
00:35:03
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ah Just Chucky realizing I can go into any other person I want now. um Cool. Let me follow some other random kid I find on the street and just befriend them. That would have been...
00:35:20
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So much better than this. this There was nothing here. I don't like Tyler. i don't i don't know why. Tyler, i think just because he was a little older than when we... I don't know how old his character is supposed to be, but obviously he's older than what Andy was in the first one.
00:35:41
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i just like that age for him to start off with. because he's so young, he's very naive. Whereas this one, you see him older, you see him in a you see Tyler as an older kid in a military school, you think he would know better.
00:35:57
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So i don't know, that it just didn't work for me. Also too, to the point of Andy being so uninteresting in this one and just being paper paperson You would think someone that went through the trauma that they went through in the first two movies would be like slightly fucking interesting, like, or would have like something going on. Yes. talking about or exploring this guy just seems like ah fucking boring put together guy like he doesn't even listen to like music or like read books seemingly he like is into nothing it's like what did you do to cope with your mom being thrown in the mental institute seemingly still and uh
00:36:58
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Like, it just... I mean, you're sent here to this military school. You must have, like, done some things to end up there outside of the Chucky stuff. I'm sure your life wasn't just completely normal. Like, they don't...
00:37:13
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this kid should be like fucking John Connor or something like by Terminator three, when he's like yeah kind of a loser and like homeless or whatever, you know, being like, Oh my mom, you know, judgment day and all the sky net is coming, you know, why isn't he at least weirder? It's, I know I'm going on and on.
00:37:38
Speaker
It's just, no, that that's a valid point because you would think Okay, I've been attacked multiple times by a killer doll. My mom was sent away.
00:37:51
Speaker
What do I need to do to protect myself because I know this is going to happen again or if it happens again? um you youth You would think you would... I don't know, pick up an obsession with, you know, knives or guns, shooting, um some type of self-defense just to make sure he's well prepared.
00:38:12
Speaker
Anything that could relate to him protecting himself from Chucky. And he doesn't even do that. Yeah, where is the H2O or David Gordon Green 2018 Halloween remake where it's like... Exactly.
00:38:27
Speaker
Andy, all these years later, just preparing for Chucky or just something... maybe that is this the movie not even andy all these years later it's karen in the mental institute and it's like what is her deal ah like she's afraid of chucky coming back and she's the one who has to combat she's like oh my god that this charles figure is after me um Yeah, they could have even tried to follow her, have a little segment of the movie after her in wherever she's at. And, you know, just everyone thinking, okay, she's crazy. She's talking about a killer doll something.
00:39:11
Speaker
How is that dan not the new... Chucky how did they do a shitty remake and then like all these other Chuckies and not just take the fucking Halloween note I know the exorcist just did that with the same guy who did the last Halloween trilogy and I don't know if you've seen exorcist believer but I thought that movie fucking sucked um I don't know if i have seen it um i did see another exorcism movie but i don't remember which one it was and russell crowe in it no oh so that was not it
00:39:52
Speaker
i that's there's two other Exorcist movies with Russell Crowe so there was a shot there is a chance of it being a Russell Crowe Exorcist movie honestly I don't remember i just it was it was whatever to me nothing can beat the original one obviously Yeah, so it didn't work out too well when The Exorcist did it, but man, I feel like
Comparing Sequels
00:40:16
Speaker
it would be so easy. Just Karen in the mental institute, maybe she's like getting out ah something, and Charles is coming after her.
00:40:28
Speaker
Maybe it's not even really Charles. Maybe you do a New Nightmare meta take, and it's like, well, that would mean it would be the actress, but ah something.
00:40:39
Speaker
It just...
00:40:42
Speaker
Feels like they're they're missing opportunities here. Yeah, anything else could have been so much better than this. Even the actors who played um Andy and Kyle, Alex Vincent and I can't remember her name, um Kyle, they were both surprised that they weren't in cast in this film. They thought they were going to be, but they weren't. and that you know devastated Alex Vincent.
00:41:13
Speaker
um Christine Elise, the that's Kyle's name, um she even had such a good experience on Child's Play 2. They didn't even follow her.
00:41:25
Speaker
um And you don't even remember Kyle. Well, you remember Kyle, but they kind of just overlook her in this one where you at least see Andy showing his little picture of him and his mom from the first one, which I think is adorable.
00:41:44
Speaker
And then he also has that in the second one too, but they don't. and No, sorry. What were you saying? No, ah just they don't pay any attention to Kyle in here, which I think that's kind of crappy.
00:41:57
Speaker
Yeah, Kyle should still be Andy's best friend to this day. Like, he should make a phone call to Kyle at some point in this movie and be like, I think Chucky's back. And Kyle should show up and fucking help him take down Chucky.
00:42:14
Speaker
Why would they not still have a relationship? Like... She would be the only one that could understand that, you know, the this Chucky thing. They're just missed opportunities. Oh, man. This movie is such a just nothing movie. It's not even, like, worth being mad about. It's just ah an entire, it's just a bummer of a production all around.
00:42:41
Speaker
Okay, so yeah, Bride of Chucky comes out in 1998. That, and this is 91, so seven years in between. it just, there's a little bit of breathing room. i I have more faith that Bride of Chucky is going to do something.
00:42:57
Speaker
Something worth coming back to the pod and being excited about. Yeah, this it's at least with Bride of Chucky, they bring Jennifer Tilly in and she adds a whole different spin to it.
00:43:13
Speaker
And I just realized that the women in Andy's life from the first to the third one, they all have names that start with a K. Like, Andy's mom is Karen in the first one.
00:43:30
Speaker
Then you have Kyle in the second. And then Silva's real name is, i think, Kristen? Yeah, Kristen. So, a lot of Ks.
00:43:43
Speaker
And then you go to Tiffany, who's a T. So... But Andy's not in this one, so... Sounds like they had ah pretty lazy writers then.
00:43:53
Speaker
No. Very, especially in this one. It's the same writer across ah all three. I forgot the guy's name, but um he like there was a rights dispute on the first one, so he like may or may not have like fully written the first movie. I think he only wrote 30 or 40% it, but...
00:44:15
Speaker
Yeah, this guy stuck around. I wonder if he went on to write the other movies. I'm going look it up, actually. um How are you feeling about Bride of Chucky?
00:44:27
Speaker
You think I ah have some stuff to look forward to in that one? I think you do. i enjoy that movie. i It's the same writer Don Mancini wrote Bride of Chucky. It looks like he wrote all of these, basically.
00:44:44
Speaker
He just stuck around. Yeah. Bride of Chucky, it's definitely a lot better than this. i i think we'll both be able to agree on that. But um yeah, I think you'll at least have some fun with Bride of Chucky compared to how this one was, which was just...
00:45:03
Speaker
a slow ride. Can't even call call it a slow burn just because it's boring in this one There was nothing that kept you on the edge of your seat. Nothing that interested you.
00:45:17
Speaker
um none of the deaths death scenes were great in here. So at least Bride of Chucky, like you're saying. They had breathing room. um They had some time to just think things over.
00:45:29
Speaker
it's definitely... a refreshing start back into Chucky. Now, what about these kills? Do you think we have some better kills to look forward to?
00:45:42
Speaker
ah They're amusing kills, yes. So I think you'll enjoy these kills a lot more than the other ones. Even with the characters you don't like in um Bride of Chucky, think that they still have better kills than this one.
00:46:01
Speaker
All of my expectations going forward are pretty low. And yeah.
00:46:12
Speaker
Maybe I shouldn't have said that, but good. Okay. I think it's going to be fun. i think there's going to be more juice, just more to talk about going forward than in Child's Play. This movie just sucks.
00:46:26
Speaker
This is the most deadly serious episode we've recorded. Not a single joke was allowed on this episode. Nope, not at all. And we all know, you know, it's been released from our, people heard it on Child's Play, Mercedes is a joke teller.
00:46:45
Speaker
um She prides herself in and being a teller of jokes. I wish. My jokes are very bad.
00:46:57
Speaker
jokes are terrible, but yes, this episode, what can I joke about? This movie is a joke on its own. it's We decided ah this was going to be a mournful episode. We're mourning the loss of ah Alex Vincent.
00:47:12
Speaker
He's not dead, but he's just not in these movies anymore. Mourning the loss of Karen and Kyle. ah just Anything good the first two childs play had. ah Locations, colors. um yeah This movie was just lame, but it it It does bring me back to my horrific time in high school in ROTC.
00:47:40
Speaker
and I think that was, yeah, I think that was the only reason why i kind of liked this film. Um, just because when I was a freshman, I was in ROTC and I joined all the extracurriculars.
00:47:58
Speaker
So I was a nerd. I was a Whitehurst and at that point, but, um There was one ah team that I was on. It was color guards. so you have the two flag bearers and, or yeah, the two flag bearers and then the two rifle bearers.
00:48:16
Speaker
Um, So there was always four of us. I was supposed to be on the B team. The A team was a senior, some so ah juniors, some sophomores, whatever.
00:48:27
Speaker
No one ever wanted to participate for B team. Everyone kept you know quitting or not coming to practice. So they moved me up to A team. I'm all nervous because I'm the only freshman there.
00:48:40
Speaker
And they pretty much just kept it like that. So I was always with them, but I was super fucking insecure about everything. So this was kind of giving me a little bit of confidence boost. um The color guard commander, she graduated that following year. So when we were all sophomores, some of my peers, they were getting promoted and everyone thought I was going to get the position. Oh, you know, you're going to be the color guard commander, right? Yeah, I know.
00:49:15
Speaker
The day came and they gave that position to another guy in the class.
Personal Reflections and Memories
00:49:23
Speaker
Let's call him Tad. And I had no idea why. It's always a Tad.
00:49:29
Speaker
I was going to say Chad. i don't know why I keep like doing the AD thing. Always a Chad. Yeah. It's always a Chad. Okay, let's call him rad. the Always a rad.
00:49:42
Speaker
I'll re-edit it anyway where it sounds like it was one take.
00:49:49
Speaker
Yes. He got the position. He even asked me, like why didn't you get that role? and I was like, you know what I don't know.
00:49:59
Speaker
so i went patriarchy. Exactly. I went up to our master chief and I asked, hey, is there any reason why i didn't get the color guard commander position? And he just looks me dead in the eye with, you know, a friendly face.
00:50:17
Speaker
And it just pissed me off even more. He's like, well, you were in line to get that ah position. However, the national flag needs to stand taller than the organizational flag.
00:50:28
Speaker
And I looked at him like, so I didn't get the job because I'm short. Thanks. And I quit after that. discrimination and really listeners just a little peek behind the curtain of mercedes life that's the day when she got kicked out of our high school for replacing the uh paint bullets with real bullets um at the rfc capture the flag game dude that would have been so fucking cool i would have done
00:50:58
Speaker
but I should have done something like that. Only a couple people. ah literal bang. it's Literally. Only a couple people ah got shot, but that was normal for our high school. So, you know. it just Everyone always made it seem like our high school was terrible.
00:51:18
Speaker
and yeah I mean, I didn't have a great time in high school. like I would never want to relive that shit, but Yeah. I had fun in high school. Our high school wasn't that bad. There were some times near the end of the year where, like, shit would hit the fan and, like, there would be, like, a lockdown or something. That happened, like, my freshman year.
00:51:38
Speaker
um The school went into full lockdown when I came in late. I got dragged into class by my health teacher. There was like ah kid in handcuffs, like a big kid in handcuffs on the floor by an officer, like a pool of blood on the ground. It looked like his face got bashed in. i was like Oh, shit.
00:51:58
Speaker
Yeah, there were officers running through the building. It was like wild. That was like a very like rare occurrence. center our People acted like that was every day. Wait, what year was that?
00:52:09
Speaker
That was 2009. The end of 2009. Not the end of the calendar year, but the end of the 2009 school year. two thousand eight two thousand and nine school year. Okay.
00:52:20
Speaker
So I was still there then, but I don't remember. Yeah, you would have been a sophomore, I think. I was a freshman. i was a junior. or wait, no. At the end of the... Yeah, I would have been a junior.
00:52:32
Speaker
and junior? Weren't you in... I guess I'll bleep the name first grade? No. Oh, you're ah a year above. ah Okay. So yeah, you would have been a junior. Okay. Yeah.
00:52:43
Speaker
See, I told you I'm fucking old. Oh my God. Damn. ah What a way to fucking bring me back. Thanks, Nicholas.
00:52:55
Speaker
happy birthday um baffle that was our callback a callback to our birthday episode we had for you oh my god um yeah that explains the cataract surgery you just had recently and the hip replacement my knee pain my back pain hate all these young kids except andy um i hate everyone for that matter except for andy Oh, man. If it makes you feel any better. I, like, feel like I almost threw out my back at the gym yesterday, and I didn't even go that hard on my back. I was keeping it light and, like, didn't hurt my... I don't even think it was the workout. I think I, like, bent weird at the gym, like, after the workout. was gonna...
00:53:43
Speaker
Yeah, I was going to ask, you were you just trying to bend over to grab something? Yes, i I think I went to pick up the spray bottle, the like cleaner I had on the ground.
00:53:55
Speaker
um It was too heavy. Yeah, that was... yeah you're You're what the people in SpongeBob call Weenie Hut Jr. Yeah.
00:54:08
Speaker
damn i i know i use the colorful dumbbells exactly
00:54:16
Speaker
yeah they're the pretty ones there's no shame in that exactly there's good times i like that oh man love it yeah um more of the story we're old and Yeah, where we're dying.
00:54:33
Speaker
um Once you hit, not even like 30, it was like once I hit 31, it was just like oh kidney failure and prostate cancer, you know?
00:54:46
Speaker
Just waking up every day, this is the end. Yeah, not that I have those things, but that's what I'm afraid of.
00:54:55
Speaker
feel like that's creeping around the corner. Yeah. Yeah, everything is just slowly creeping up. And now all I see are those memes where um they're saying, you know, the but little scrolly icon that you need to navigate to find your date of birth or your year of birth.
00:55:16
Speaker
It's kind of taking longer to find my year of birth. And I'm not digging that at all. Yeah, it's like kind of rude that they start in the most current year. Like just start at 2000, you know, make that the default year so I only have to scroll up a little bit. The same amount every time.
00:55:37
Speaker
We get it, Nick. You're younger than me. You don't got to keep rubbing it in my face. Barely I wasn't born in 2000, if that's what it sounded like I was saying. Yeah. No, know that, but I'm still the old sagger. I remember 9-11. That's the big thing, kids these days not knowing 9-11.
00:56:02
Speaker
Unfortunately, that is true. yeah um Yeah, no, it was just weird, though, in high school. 9-11? No. It was weird.
00:56:14
Speaker
I mean, that was strange, but I remember that day and I was definitely not in high school. um I think I was in fifth grade. God, that's a long time ago. But no, in high school, I wasn't even hanging out with people that were in my grade.
00:56:32
Speaker
Once I was a a sophomore, junior, i was either with People that, no, it was usually like people that were younger than me. Like I had some friends that were my age, but it was usually people that were younger than me. So that kind of makes me feel really fucking old.
00:56:55
Speaker
That just proves my point. I always hung out with older people. I've always gravitated towards older people. When was and i was a freshman in high school, 14 or 15, I was playing in a band with dudes in their 40s. always wanted to be ah part of the the older older kids club.
00:57:15
Speaker
Well, I did too, but no one liked me. I was forced to be with like the older crowd in r ROTC. But once I quit, maybe, maybe that was the reason that sent me back. I don't fucking know.
00:57:28
Speaker
But um yeah, it was an interesting time in high school. I'm glad you enjoyed it. I did. that That was some, some time.
00:57:41
Speaker
I, man, we'll have to do like a horror movie set in high school um thing. And then we'll just have to talk about like compare high school experience of like the faculty or like yeah Jennifer's body counts, but like just movies set in high school, do a mini series on that. Maybe I'll do that as my next pick. Yeah.
00:58:04
Speaker
yeah cool Yeah. Something weird.
Film Recommendations and Connections
00:58:10
Speaker
There's Carrie, there's Ginger Snaps, um
00:58:17
Speaker
Nightmare and on Elm Street, yeah. But want to save that. Heathers, is that horror?
00:58:23
Speaker
ah Not really, but I mean, we could probably segue into that. Wow, I haven't seen that in a long ass time, too. I haven't fully seen it. I bought it, though.
00:58:36
Speaker
I started watching and then I was too tired, and I was like, I got to revisit this eventually. i love how you buy a lot of movies and you haven't watched it or watch them in their entirety.
00:58:48
Speaker
If there's a good enough sell on a movie, I'll i'll buy it. um This film critic, Amy Nicholson, I think it was, she rated it very high, I think five out of five. And she's a critic that my tastes don't always line up with. But when I see someone rate something five out of five, I'm especially someone who doesn't give out five-star ratings that often, I really get curious, like, what is a five-star movie to this person?
00:59:18
Speaker
It feels like a good peek into their personality. So Heather's shot up to the list of, like, movies I really want to watch. That's why I really like movie recommendations, too, where it's not just people um telling me what they like and telling me where to watch it. I like movie recommendations where people are like,
00:59:37
Speaker
I saw this and you came to mind. I always want to be like, Ooh, what? Like, yeah. What was going on in your head that made me come to mind with this? And I always want like a little peek, peek into what's going on with them.
00:59:51
Speaker
but yeah, it, uh, I really like um different, I don't know. I like people's relationships to movies, I guess.
01:00:02
Speaker
Yeah, same. like I love it when people are telling me, oh, you need to watch this movie because it's so fucked up or it scared me. am like And you thought of me? Okay. But... um but um Yeah, every time, oh, that's what i was supposed to do. I was supposed to think of movies that I've shown my husband and they were like very meaningful or impactful for me. And then when he watched it, he was just like,
01:00:29
Speaker
whatever with it and I had one in mind and now I can't remember. my god. That was a conversation we actually we ah didn't record but i remember that do you want to ah do that or do you want to save that we could talk about that in Bride of Chucky movie because that's a movie I have expectations for.
01:00:51
Speaker
This is a movie I had expectations for and they were ah destroyed, like smothered. So I now have different expectations for Bride of Chick. I'm hopeful though. I feel like it's going to be enjoyable.
01:01:04
Speaker
um But if you want to like try and think about it, we could have this expectation talk. ah Movies that maybe didn't live up to expectations of other people. Okay. Yeah.
01:01:15
Speaker
okay that That, for like the listeners, what kind of sparked that ah is like the expectations that have kind of been set up for me going into these movies because Mercedes really values some of them and how disappointing it would be if I didn't really enjoy them.
01:01:33
Speaker
And that kind of got me thinking about like movies in particular that I'm like, I really would be disappointed if someone I cared about didn't like them. So like we can tell, we'll remember that. We'll touch on that for Bride of Chucky if we can.
01:01:51
Speaker
Yeah, because I'm pretty sure i remember one of the movies, but I just, I really want to think about it to make sure because i was just so surprised at his reaction after like, what? You didn't like this? But okay. Yeah, we'll, we'll save that for Bride of Chucky.
01:02:09
Speaker
Plus, too, I assume since that's really ah this movie expectation thing, like at least your story is related to your husband, Bride of Chucky, have a feeling we may dive into the parallels of your your marriage. you know Yeah, probably. There's some similarities in there that you know I have pointed out to him that he just looks at me and sighs. So that'll...
01:02:40
Speaker
Is your husband a doll? and were Are you currently a doll and were you once a human? The listeners can't see us, so they don't know who I'm talking to right now. so You could very well be a doll.
01:02:55
Speaker
This is true, but I have um shared the little meme where um spoil like a little spoiler for Bride of Chucky where You have Tiffany um holding like her candle in the Voodoo doll for Dummies book, and you see Chucky just on the ground, and she's getting ready to you know say the infamous chant. and There was like a caption, like, me and whatever my my girlfriend or wife tells me to do or some shit, and I've sent that to him.
01:03:33
Speaker
and It's pretty valid. so Yeah, crazy shit. Nice. Nice. Crazy shit. Crazy shit. I'm excited to hear about it. That would be wild if you watch and you're like, wow, this movie is actually a one for one, like our entire relationship.
01:03:52
Speaker
I mean, we do have some spats and... there's There's just one scene that like I'll go into once we cover it. I don't know. the It's like funny to me, but I feel like to you, it's just going to be like, oh, yeah, okay, women.
01:04:11
Speaker
don't know. Are they a fighty couple, Chucky and his bride? I don't even know her name yet. Tiffany. Oh, yeah, right. Tiffany. True. do know her name. I was like, wait, what?
01:04:27
Speaker
I do. You're right. No, it's okay. I have, funny enough, apparently I have plenty of those moments with my husband. He says something or he claims he says something and I won't know what he's talking about. And he's like, I've said that.
01:04:43
Speaker
No, you did not. Or maybe you have and I just really can't remember. But yes, they they do have some they have some moments where They argue. They get a little feisty with each other. So it's very amusing. it They have a better relationship than Andy and Da Silva in this movie. so Yeah, Andy, their quote-unquote relationship. Oh, man. God.
01:05:07
Speaker
That was so terrible. I'm sorry. i keep dragging us back into that, but it just, it really grinds my gears. They sucked. So the fact that they take this leap into a new direction, was a smart choice.
01:05:24
Speaker
I'm ready for it. I hope you guys are ready for it too, listeners. ah hope you guys listen to this episode too. Thank you. Yeah, this movie wasn't the most fun to watch.
01:05:39
Speaker
If you've seen it, then you get where we're coming from. But we fucking hated this movie. I hated this movie. I don't think Nick hated it as much as I did, but it wasn't a good watch.
01:05:51
Speaker
there I did write down that there is something i find charming about a bad horror sequel. We can save that for a different Chucky movie, though. um i want to We'll save that for one of these bad movies that I enjoy. I want to enjoy ah a Chucky movie that everybody hates.
01:06:11
Speaker
I want to like really connect with one, like Cult of Chucky or The Science of Chucky, with whatever the names are, and just be like, I love this one. you know well or love is a strong word yeah we'll i had fun with this one i want one to be like yeah this is like so it's just dumb fun or something maybe bride of chucky will be that um Yeah, Bride of Chucky, it doesn't have amazing moments, but it has moments where you're just, that was so dumb, but you can laugh about it.
01:06:50
Speaker
So yeah, that that could be you described as dumb fun. yeah yeah' You'll like it, you'll like it. I do like too that I'm not even considering that Seed of Chucky might be slightly enjoyable. um um In my head, I'm like, right, we have a chance for a good movie, then we have another bad movie, and then we have ah ah chances at more good movies after Seed of Chucky.
01:07:13
Speaker
um I will say nothing that I want to say. I'm trying to keep that to myself. Seed of Chucky traumatized me as a kid, so I got a story behind that that had been possibly over-hyping.
01:07:27
Speaker
do want to, again, thank the listeners um for listening to this all the way through.
Challenges of Discussing Disliked Films
01:07:33
Speaker
ah feels good to know that we've knocked out our worst episode, and we just don't have to worry about it. Worst episode so far.
01:07:46
Speaker
i think we yeah good I think we should just be like, okay, Child's Play 3, that's our dedicated worst episode. Maybe our most on-topic episode, too.
01:07:59
Speaker
Right. We did not stray away from this movie. Any like future episodes where it's so bad, we could just be like, Was it as bad as Child's Play 3?
01:08:11
Speaker
And it doesn't even have to be the episode of a Child's Play 3. Was it as bad as the movie Child's Play 3? I almost texted you this morning saying like, hey, let's be forgiving of ourselves if we just can't find things to talk about. Like maybe this is just our our tangent episode. And we explained that like I put a disclaimer at the beginning and we just fucking ripped this movie to shreds like for 50 minutes straight.
01:08:39
Speaker
Oh shit, yeah, we did. um I didn't even know if we'd be able to last that long on it. So yeah, kudos to us. We did it. Hell yeah, these two old bags, one is slightly older than the other.
01:08:57
Speaker
One slightly more youthful old bag. um Why did you have to fucking go there? you You did it first. i just brought it back around. And you're living in the past. We moved on from that shit. Why did you go back there?
01:09:15
Speaker
i see how it really is, Nick. I see how it is. I thought it would be lighthearted... No, I don't... I mean... Don't talk to me no more.
01:09:26
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01:09:50
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