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Scream (2022)
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Join Nicholas and Mercedes as they return to Woodsboro, the original location of the Ghostface murders that started in 1996.
They discuss the Radio Silence directed film, in comparison to the previous entries from the late Wes Craven, the return of the legacy cast, and the new blood entering the fold. As well as bringing insight from the writer/director commentary into the conversation. They also discuss legacy sequels (requels?), what the Rian Johnson Knives Out reference means within the context of Scream 5, and how Star Wars has had an influence on legacy sequels in general. As well as toxic fandom in not only movies, but the heavy metal community. And at the end, they pay tribute to not only Wes Craven, but to the late Ozzy Osbourne and Hulk Hogan.
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Transcript
Introduction to Morbid Curiosities Podcast
00:01:12
Speaker
What's up, party people? We're Morbid Curiosities, your favorite horror movie podcast, bringing you another episode. I'm one of your hosts, Nicholas Ewers, and with me is the lightweight champion of the world, the morbid mistress of mayhem herself,
00:01:25
Speaker
Mercedes Martinez. What's up, everybody? Thanks for joining us again. and i love him i love how we always struggle to start it off, but then it always it always just works. it just We end up swinging it and it comes out pretty cool.
00:01:42
Speaker
Yeah, we get our groove back, definitely. so Some starts are a bit more shaky than others, but we eventually figure out how to get there. so If you're a first-time listener and this is a rough start, of we don't know how the next couple of minutes are going to go, bear with us.
00:01:59
Speaker
just We'll get you to some good meaty shit. Wait, you think this one was a rough start? I didn't think that. No, but I mean, we got like a couple minutes to really fuck this thing up, I think.
00:02:13
Speaker
Yeah. Probably. It'll happen. It'll probably be my fault. fault. ah we're We both contribute to the downfall of this podcast, I think. But it's their favorite horror movie podcast, so it is we're at least bringing something to the table here.
00:02:31
Speaker
Yeah, we say it at the beginning, and therefore it's the law of the podcast. If you're listening, you abide by that law then. <unk>re We're sorry if you're here now, but we're your favorite, and that's just how it is.
00:02:45
Speaker
I mean, you said it all. There's nothing else I can snowball off of that. Let's just jump right into what we're covering today. Take us away, Nick.
Initial Thoughts on Scream 5
00:02:53
Speaker
Yeah, we're covering Scream 2020 or Scream 5.
00:02:57
Speaker
I've been calling it Scream 5. I've been typing Scream 5 into every search bar when I'm talking about this movie. feels too much to put in Scream parentheses 2020 all the time.
00:03:10
Speaker
That's probably what our episode going to be titled because that's the official name of the movie. but this is the fifth installment in the scream franchise it's new to me i had never seen this before this i was the least familiar with this movie going into it compared to any of the other ones mercedes you being the resident scream uh fan the resident shriek shrieker whatever they would want to call it scream for they call them that sequel like a shriek will so shriek is very appropriate but oh yeah yeah you're you're the resident scream fan on the podcast do you want to give us your initial thoughts on this movie
00:03:53
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Yeah, so I was very hesitant when this movie came out just because i did not like how Scream 4 was wrapped up.
00:04:04
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And even with Scream 4, I didn't think we needed a Scream 4. So was like, why are we getting a Scream 5 now? What more can they do? But then I found out Jenna Ortega was in it. So that's a horse of a different color, obviously.
00:04:20
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and That alone got me hyped up. And then
Reflecting on the Scream Franchise
00:04:25
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knowing that, you you know, the legacy characters, Sidney Prescott, Dewey, and then Gail were all going to be in there too.
00:04:34
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i was a little excited for. So, yeah, I actually was really shocked on how much I loved this film when I first watched it So many emotions hit me throughout the entire film.
00:04:49
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Like nostalgia, annoyance, fucking despair at one point. But yeah so being able to rewatch it now...
00:05:01
Speaker
So fucking fun. like This is one of my favorites within the Scream franchise. so I was really happy. and Then I was so happy that you realized you accidentally put this film on when you were trying to watch Scream 4 and you cut it off right away because I was like, no, don't ruin it for yourself. so yeah What did you think of it?
00:05:22
Speaker
So going into this one, i was a little bit apprehensive. I had really liked what Scream 4 did. i really enjoyed what it did with the legacy characters. And so I was kind of thinking like,
00:05:37
Speaker
The franchise already did the legacy thing. For me, at least, it was a big success. You guys can listen back to that episode. Scream 4 is probably my favorite in the franchise. We'll get there when we get to the rankings to really make it official.
00:05:53
Speaker
Yeah, i didn't know if a Scream 5 was entirely necessary. I had heard mostly positive reception about this movie based off of things you've told me and things other friends have told me. The Letterboxd reviews are mostly positive on this one.
00:06:14
Speaker
But I didn't know if it would justify its own existence. I didn't know how I would feel about it. And as I usually do for the podcast, I've watched this movie twice. The first time I watched it, I was kind of mixed on it.
00:06:29
Speaker
The second time I watched it, I got a bit more into the groove. Like I've said before, these movies always reward a rewatch. I think this
Jenna Ortega's Performance
00:06:38
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one really is so effective on a rewatch when you know the reveal of who the killer or killers are in this one.
00:06:49
Speaker
Yeah, I gotta say, I mean, there's not a bad movie in this franchise. I've got mixed feelings on some things this movie's doing, but this movie's, like, pretty awesome. I gave it 4 out of 5 on Letterboxd.
00:07:04
Speaker
This is just a franchise where the formula, if you want to... And I don't use the word formula. I'm not calling it formulaic in a like derogatory way.
00:07:16
Speaker
But the formula of these movies works. I wrote my review for this movie. It must be pretty hard to make a fucking bad scream movie. Because it's just got...
00:07:28
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a formula that works and if they wait enough time in between and between s sequels, there should always be something for the movies to comment on in order to justify its own existence.
00:07:41
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And I've plot issues with this movie a little bit, like kind of some of the things it's doing didn't fully work for me. But all in all, I'm mostly positive on this one.
00:07:55
Speaker
All right, so spoilers ahead, guys, for Scream 5. Hopefully, everyone's watched it at this point just because it's such a cool film to get into.
00:08:06
Speaker
Start us off. Basically, the movie opens up with Jenna Ortega, very similar to the Drew Barrymore scene. And Mercedes, I think, said it already, but spoilers ahead.
00:08:19
Speaker
Jenna Ortega is getting, she's texting her friend Amber, played by Mikey Madsen, actually. Oscar winning Mikey Madsen. That's pretty cool. I had no idea she was in this movie.
00:08:30
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But so she's texting her friend Amber and she receives a call from, you know, a ghost face sounding person. And eventually the conversation starts to get a little dark. He asks her the what's your favorite scary movie line. And from things really start to ramp up.
00:08:49
Speaker
ghost face is basically like answer the phone or i'm gonna kill amber he sends her a video that's where you really see that it's mikey madsen i i really enjoyed that we'll get to the cast later but i thought the cast in this movie was wonderful from top to bottom but so then eventually ghost face comes in he does he break in or is he already in the house like you know After he's fucking with General Ortega when she's trying to you ah turn on like the lock for the house, he calls again and was like, all right, one more question. do you think I had enough time to make it inside the house before you lock the doors again? And then he just pops up from behind her.
00:09:31
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So that's that's where we could really, I guess, kick this thing off. That lock sequence, I thought was really fun, really cool. Ghostface, yeah, does eventually make it in the house and really starts to go at Jenna Ortega.
00:09:47
Speaker
I gotta say, I thought her performance in this was really good. And I actually got to listen to the Scream 5 commentary, not all of it. Guys, if you get a chance to listen to that, it's a great commentary, really insightful. Everybody involved, it's all the writers, both directors, a couple of the producers.
00:10:07
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It's a very awesome commentary. But they really praised Jenna Ortega, all the work that she put into this. And they said like every take was perfect from her.
00:10:21
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So I really got an appreciation for her through listening to the commentary because I've watched a couple bad Jenna Ortega movies lately. And I was like, maybe she's just picking bad projects.
00:10:33
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And that really reinforced for me like, okay, she is a very good and capable actor. And
Beetlejuice Sequel and Jenna Ortega's Roles
00:10:39
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fun fact, she was 17 throughout shooting most of this scene and then the parts where she's being attacked in the kitchen specifically they had to reshoot that months later and she had turned 18 at that point so when you're watching that opening scene she's 17 and part of it and 18 and part of it but yeah what are your thoughts on jenna ortega's performance in this whole intro
00:11:05
Speaker
I love that fact, by the way. yeah absolutely adore Jenna Ortega. Just her her whole performance in here is just like jaw dropppping dropping, because you see like, you know, she's she's just putting her all into it. And you, with some characters in here, we get into them more, you see how, or you hear how scripted everything is when they talk.
00:11:36
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Even certain things that she says, it it sounds a little strange, but it comes out smoothly. And like how she's talking about the movie, The Babadook, The Babadook.
00:11:47
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duck duck whatever. When she's talking about that movie. Yeah, that's what that's it. When she's talking about that, she refers to it as elevated horror.
00:11:59
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Okay, no one's really going to describe it like that just in a casual conversation, but the way she just like lets it flow, it it goes well with you know the conversation.
00:12:12
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Other characters in here, you know when they're going hard on something to try to, you know, prove a fact. It just, it's very forced and it's not really against them as actors themselves. It's just like the script they're, they were given. So I can't really fault them for that.
00:12:33
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But anyway, back to Jenna, everything she's in, I i do like a lot. I, I, Sadly, wasn't a fan Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, but nothing against her. I just feel like that We can relate on that.
00:12:49
Speaker
Okay, cool. Yeah, because that movie I was so hyped for, even though, again, it was a movie that didn't, Beetlejuice was a movie that did not need a sequel, but the fact that we were getting it, of course, everyone's excited for it.
00:13:02
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And then when we got it, it was such a bop. Like, i i was confused. i
Scream 5 Opening Scene and Insights
00:13:07
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was leaving angry. I thought Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice was one of the worst movies to come out last year.
00:13:14
Speaker
Oh man, it was such a blatant cash grab. Tim Burton's heart was not in it. It was a disaster is what I would call that.
00:13:26
Speaker
Yeah, and it was funny too, just a quick side note. I was listening to the the soundtrack of Beetlejuice the week of when me and my husband were going to go see the second one. The Danny Elfman score?
00:13:42
Speaker
Yeah, and it was funny because i guess it was just playing... everything from the movies because all of a sudden, you know, quick spoiler for this, if you guys haven't seen it, I heard a song from Carrie playing and I'm like, what the hell? I've never even listened to the soundtrack from Carrie. So why would this be like popping up on my Spotify?
00:14:06
Speaker
But then when we watched it, that song played towards the end, which made absolutely no fucking sense to be in the film itself. So I was really thrown off. But that explained that whole thing. But yeah, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, it could have been better. They have good characters in there. The cast was cool as fuck.
00:14:25
Speaker
But it really we can live in a world without that movie. yeah but Yeah, so Jenna Ortega, actually, i saw so I saw her in a movie this year called Hurry Up Tomorrow. It's starring The Weeknd. It was actually directed by a guy who I really liked, Trey Edward Schultz.
00:14:44
Speaker
And, my God, I don't know if Jenna Ortega, like... I kind of got to give her, I give her a little bit of credit for that performance, but I watch it, and I'm like, what the fuck is happening in this?
00:14:57
Speaker
And it's very weird. I would be very curious to see where you landed on the side of Jenna Ortega's performance, because all the reviews I read were just about the weekend, and I was like, I want to hear what people feel about Ortega and Barry Keoghan, who's kind of blowing her out of the water. But So I had that in my mind going in here like, oh man, she was really rough in Hurry Up Tomorrow.
00:15:21
Speaker
And X is the only other movie I think I'd seen her in where I was really digging her performance. I still need to watch that movie X. I haven't heard of that other one that you had mentioned, but yeah I liked seeing her in, she had like a brief performance in Jane the Virgin.
00:15:42
Speaker
and then also when she was in You, I thought she was very witty. i figured that's why they cast her was off of you Right. Yeah. So love her performance in here. so i I am curious to check out that movie that you had just mentioned. i can't remember the title for some reason.
00:15:59
Speaker
it's hurry up tomorrow okay yeah just like ah the movie the weekend is in this is really jenna ortega's like big break i think as a movie actress she was in iron man 3 before this she plays the vice president's daughter i remember watching that movie a couple years ago around christmas time and seeing her and i'm like Is that a little Jenna Ortega? Because that was in like 2013, nine years before this movie comes out.
00:16:30
Speaker
So like it like She's been acting for a while, a lot of TV stuff. But this is really her first big break as a movie actress. And she delivers, I got to say.
00:16:42
Speaker
I'm just so hyped for Wednesday, for the new season of Wednesday to come out. Yeah, I give Jenna Ortega a lot of praise in me here. And just with the initial, it wasn't a kill scene because she does survive, but her initial scene, oh my God, that was that was hard to watch just because that kill scene, it was so fucking vicious, like,
00:17:06
Speaker
Ghost face, he's, like, fucking her up, and then he just steps on her fucking, like, leg or her ankle, whatever. Her baby bird leg just shatters it.
00:17:17
Speaker
Exactly. Breaks like twig. Exactly. I was like, holy shit, that alone, like... Oh my God, that was rough. So you're already like super tense just seeing her trying to lock the doors and then seeing someone's fucking with the whole system.
00:17:34
Speaker
And then now this fucker's inside and then he's just like being so ruthless with her. Oh my God. And then you just get that anticipation because you hear the sirens of the police coming. You see the red and blue lights.
00:17:50
Speaker
And then it's like going in slow motion at that point where she's trying to make it to the door. But then like she you he let her ghost face like puts her on her back and then is stabbing her like trying to do like the iconic like stab right there. And then it goes to the title scene.
00:18:08
Speaker
That was rough to watch. And I'm like, fuck. Did she die? Like, are we going to see her more? Like, what happened? That was a that was such a fucking top notch intro scene. I loved
Character Development: Dewey and New Additions
00:18:21
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her performance.
00:18:23
Speaker
yeah i had a feeling they were going to keep her alive the writers were actually talking about so when they got the job for uh to write this movie the first thing they did was write down everything that they wanted out of this movie and they said 90 of it all lined up exactly and one of the things that was on that list was The person at the beginning survives. And I was like, I like how they do keep finding a different way to do something different with the intro every time. i have no idea what the next one is going to be, how they do it any differently. But the other one was Dewey getting killed off. That was another one that was on their list.
00:19:13
Speaker
There were a few others I can't remember. but We're not there yet. It's too soon. we had We had to talk about it eventually. It's too soon. We can hop all around, but if you want to hold off really getting into the nitty-gritty of Dewey, we can go into like the new cast and everything, getting introduced to Melissa Barrera.
00:19:35
Speaker
yeah Let's talk about them first and then go back to the legacy ones. yeah so Melissa Barrera, her name is Tara, I think, or is that Jenna Ortega? Jenna Ortega is That's Jenna Ortega. Melissa is Sam.
00:19:48
Speaker
Yeah, so Sam and Richie, her... So Melissa Barrera is Sam, which is Tara's older sister, and Richie is Sam's boyfriend.
00:19:59
Speaker
So they basically get the news of everything that happened to Jenna Ortega, and they're like, okay, we gotta get on over to Woodsboro, really figure out what's happening.
00:20:10
Speaker
I didn't know Jack Quaid was gonna be in this thing. Are you familiar with him as an actor? Had you seen him in much of anything? I really didn't. I saw him, i I knew he looked familiar, but I didn't know who he was. so Then once I found out his name, I was like, no shit. Okay, that makes so much sense as to why he looks familiar, but I haven't seen him in anything else. and If I have, I just can't remember.
00:20:35
Speaker
Yeah, I was introduced to him in The Boys. he's been He's been a boy for a while over on Amazon Prime. And then, yeah, I had no idea he was going to be in this. Earlier this year, he was in a movie that I think you would actually really enjoy called Companion.
00:20:52
Speaker
He's great in that. I haven't seen... a bad Jack Quaid yet. But so I was delighted to see him and Melissa Barrera.
00:21:02
Speaker
I haven't actually seen many of her movies, but I'm, I'm a fan of her. it was nice to see her. i actually got to meet her in person last year. She was in this movie called your monster.
00:21:15
Speaker
And it played at the Chicago Sundance. And I got to meet her and the lead actor in that movie. And she was very nice, very like like an average person, very kind, seemed appreciative of everyone there. It was very cool to meet her.
00:21:33
Speaker
But so right away, I felt like I was in good hands with this one. We see a few new characters, know Melissa Barrera and well Sam and her boyfriend, Richie. They go to the hospital.
00:21:47
Speaker
first, you are introduced to the new friend group at the ah school. so We have Amber, we have Chad Meeks and his sister, fucking Mindy Meeks, Meeks Martin, sorry.
00:22:03
Speaker
You have, what's his name? Wes Hicks. um um I love all the little cameos they have in here, like voiceovers and then the names too, like Wes Hicks.
00:22:15
Speaker
He's Deputy Hicks' son, who's now the sheriff, but you know his name obviously yeah named after Wes Coates. Craven, who unfortunately passed away. thanks for not spoiling that Hicks died in the last movie. I had no idea she was coming back, actually.
00:22:33
Speaker
And I got to say, I love her relationship with her son. We'll get to that a little later, but it was a delight to have them back. No, there was just a few things that you were saying in the last episode, and I was like, well, he's going to be happy with this part. Oh, I know he's going to like this, and you know fuck, there's something that I know he's not going to like. So yeah, I'm trying to be good and not jump the gun. I've learned my lesson from our early days of being little morbid heads.
00:23:03
Speaker
I felt like it would have been a very easy spoiler to let slip. But also one like little thing too. I didn't catch this on either of my viewings. I've just heard people talk about it but Kirby's alive too.
00:23:19
Speaker
Yeah, they they show a part where Richie, he's doing his little research, watching videos on YouTube. He's also trying to watch Stab.
00:23:29
Speaker
It was pretty cool in there because i kind of want to just look or like share my notes from that too. So he's watching this video called Film Fails, but it's actually with the two hosts of Dead Meat.
00:23:45
Speaker
So you got a the James A. Janisse and his wife, Chelsea. So, you know, they're they're just acting like super douchey and they're talking about stab. then on the side where you see all the suggested videos, you see one with Kirby and then... um um I think one where they're like, oh, is Stu still alive or something?
00:24:08
Speaker
So, yeah, her being in there, like I never noticed that until I was watching like reviews on the movie. So, yeah, she is still alive.
00:24:17
Speaker
But like one of the voiceovers for, the beginning when you do hear, or you do see the, the, the the new cast here, the principal speaking on the intercom talking about like everything going on.
00:24:32
Speaker
That's
Critiquing Fandom Culture in Scream 5
00:24:32
Speaker
actually drew Barrymore herself. which I did. what I was so delighted to hear. I was like, Oh my God, she made like a little semi appearance in here. uh, When Richie is watching all the videos right now, you hear like someone say, like that's fucking sick or no, that's fucking lit or whatever. And that's actually Matthew Lillard saying that when you are watching like the film fails and you have Ghostface with a fucking like flamethrower or whatever the hell he had.
00:25:05
Speaker
So yeah yeah, there's a lot of voiceovers. But yeah, we can wait for the big one until the end. I kind of want to bring up the first thing that rubbed me the wrong way a little bit. Having two characters related to Randy, I was just kind of in this like mindset where I'm like, I know what they're doing here, but can I forgive it? like They're commenting on the everybody's related to everybody, but I still...
00:25:33
Speaker
Don't like. How. Every movie. Like. It's just. People who are related to each other. And how deep it goes into that. And that movie does this.
00:25:45
Speaker
A couple of times. But. It. I didn't really like. That aspect of it. I didn't like the two characters. Like the film buff being. Directly related to Richie.
00:25:57
Speaker
And I can get in the. Into the film buff. As a whole. Uh. in a sec, but i mean did those things rub you the wrong way in the way that they rub me? Yes.
00:26:09
Speaker
I really was not a fan of Mindy Meeks in here. like Chad Meeks, he like plays like more of like a stronger presence in the next film that we cover.
00:26:25
Speaker
But for- Okay, that's good. I like Chad. yeah he He's in Hard Eyes too. Have you seen- I have not seen that still. I saw that movie. It was like climb where these two girls climb up this one tower.
00:26:40
Speaker
Fall, fall, yeah. That one I saw and I was like, wow, what a douchebag in here. I'm happy he dies in this one. Or wait, no, he doesn't die in this one. Spoilers for fall. Yeah, sorry. My bad.
00:26:53
Speaker
But yeah, I just like fucking mesh these up. He doesn't die in here, though. They give you the fake out, though. They make you think he does initially.
00:27:05
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. that That's another thing that bothers me in here, but I'll jump to that in a second. But yeah, when I was talking about like how some of the the dialogue in here is like, it just sounds very forced or like her her monologue. Mindy, when she's explaining all the rules of like sequels, requels, whatever to everyone when they're trying to figure out, okay, who the killer could be.
00:27:32
Speaker
That sounded so unnatural to me, and it went on for so long that it started to bother me. It's like, I get why you're trying to justify every single part here, but you could have summed this up so quickly that it, like, I don't know, we could have saved like a solid five minutes from that scene. But yeah, that part I i did not vibe with at all.
00:28:02
Speaker
I gotta agree with you. um with you. um Maybe not for the same reasons. I didn't vibe with Mindy's character or what she was really saying in that moment much at all either.
00:28:15
Speaker
The two parts that you have criticized in the writing, I've noticed, are the parts where they're injecting ah ah film bro, like film douche type of stuff in there. Like when Jenna Ortega says...
00:28:29
Speaker
That's elevated horror. You know, elevated horror is so much, but like that attitude. Oh, my God. It's like that kind of bothers me. It's like, OK, yeah, you can like fucking Midsommar and Maniac Cop at the same time.
00:28:44
Speaker
It's. the superiority of like horror fans that exist nowadays. it It seemed like, I don't know if they rubbed you the wrong way in that way, but that kind of I don't really like that attitude when talking about movies. So those are the reasons why like that rubbed me the wrong way.
00:29:05
Speaker
It's kind of like Metal Heads 2. It's kind of sending. Yeah, and I forgot what this this one comedian's name is, but i think I've sent you some of these videos where he's talking about, like, there was one where he was doing a show. He's like, oh, I like that everyone's wearing, like, a heavy metal band t-shirt.
00:29:27
Speaker
You know, we all get to, you know, say, like, non-verbally say, you know, this is my favorite band. I listen to them a lot. And then it's like everyone else can look and find something to judge you on.
00:29:39
Speaker
Like, oh, well I listen to heavier stuff or that bad is weak. And I know me and you have had like little fun debates here about like stuff that we listen to. But yeah, it's like you can like a variety of genres or even movies from one single genre and it be OK. It's not a bad thing.
00:30:04
Speaker
I think a good metal equivalent that I've experienced that with is, and this has happened to me a couple times with two separate genres where I'll meet someone and I'll talk to them. And, you know, bands that I would consider like heavy or interesting or technical would be like,
00:30:25
Speaker
Modern Job for a Cowboy, Beyond creations like beyond Creation, certain eras of Cannibal Corpse. And like people will be into... there will be I'll get judgment from people who are like into the most obscure...
00:30:43
Speaker
death metal out there or they're into the most garbage black metal that's in existence where it sounds like they recorded their EP with one microphone in a garage and You get judgment from that. It's like, do you not realize like you're into some like real shit music? you Like you're judging me for this?
00:31:07
Speaker
And then it's like, you're just, you think you're so cool because you listen to the most obscure stuff or then, There will be people who are into like hardcore music or like slam and they have a real weird superiority. I'm better than you kind of thing. And not all people. I have a lot of friends that are in like hardcore slam bands that are like,
00:31:31
Speaker
cool people with diverse taste in music but a lot of the attitude you get mostly from the people going to the shows is like no this is the best music ever if like your metal shit is fucking lame and it's so weird because it's like guys like a lot of these slam bands kind of suck it's they need to start justifying their own existence by writing interesting music Sorry for that.
00:31:58
Speaker
No, no. like That was hitting home because I'm like, there again, we hung out with like similar crowds back in the day. so i get where you're coming from. Yeah.
00:32:11
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Some people that I hung out with or dated in the past, they would talk so much shit about the music that I listened to or music that other people were listening to who would go to the local shows and I'm just like, okay, well, you know that's their preference. You don't have to listen to it so why is it such a big thing?
00:32:37
Speaker
you know Just one person in particular. It makes me feel like the message of the music is getting lost Exactly. like One person in particular would just talk so much shit and just like make fun of people and just criticize them so much. and It's just like, can you shut up? like We're all trying to come here to see our local bands play. and If they have a t-shirt of a band that you don't like or you know of a band that they don't like, who gives a fuck? like
00:33:10
Speaker
Go back into your corner. like Shit. it really would lose the message of why we' we're all there. I agree on that.
Dewey's Death: Analysis and Impact
00:33:17
Speaker
So sorry, another side tangent. No, I mean, i feel like this is kind of on topic for what this movie is talking about. You know, we're comparing it to, we're equating it to music.
00:33:30
Speaker
Like the Mindy character in particular, she, ah ah like in order to go back to Scream, she does kind of embody the type of person that we're talking about.
00:33:41
Speaker
There's a line in the movie that kind of rubbed me the wrong way. And I was like, oh, I don't know if I'm going to sit well with this, if this movie is being written and directed from this perspective.
00:33:53
Speaker
So Mindy is talking about the stab sequels and she's like, stab eight, the one directed by the Knives Out guy. Mercedes, are you familiar with any of that? What they're referencing? It was a big family or something. and i can't remember it Well, the movie itself isn't important. The director of the movie is important.
00:34:14
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know about that. Are you familiar with the director at all or anything he's done? No. Okay. So Mindy is going on this big thing about how Stab 8 sucks. And she says someone is like, oh, that's the one that the Knives Out director made So they're talking about Rian Johnson. He directed Knives Out. Before he did Knives Out, which Rian Johnson, beloved director by film fans, everything he's made except for one movie, all pretty much gets like solid reception. And this other movie that I'm about to mention, still very popular, but there's a toxic bit of fans in the world that will tell you that this movie is bad.
00:35:00
Speaker
But so... Rian Johnson directed Star Wars The Last Jedi. Now, that movie is one where it comes out after their big legacy sequel. Like, a lot of what this movie is referencing is very tied to Star Wars, oddly enough.
00:35:17
Speaker
Well, not oddly enough. Star Wars set the template for this legacy sequel thing. even though no one gives Scream 4 credit for doing it first. But so Star Wars came out, had their big legacy sequel movie with The Force Awakens.
00:35:31
Speaker
Rian Johnson did his sequel, The Last Jedi, and really challenged what it means to be a Star Wars fan and to engage with these movies in a really interesting way.
00:35:44
Speaker
He did things with the characters that... upset people that I found were very appropriate and interesting directions to take the characters. Now, the movie's got good reviews all around on anywhere you'll look, but there's a very toxic, loud, vocal minority on the internet.
00:36:05
Speaker
They call themselves the fandom menace, and they're just like... the people that will go send death threats to people until they're off of Twitter. Like really, it's a group of people that are fueled by misogyny and racism.
00:36:20
Speaker
And I'm going to end this rant soon. But so Mindy is basically the character. She is embodying a really, to me, very negative type of fandom.
00:36:32
Speaker
And I was really bothered by her character at first because no one really seemed to challenge what she was saying directly in the movie.
00:36:42
Speaker
And I was like, so does this movie agree with the points that she's making? Is it kind of aligning itself with like some pretty bad viewpoints on movies?
00:36:54
Speaker
And I found that not to be the case because of other decisions the movie makes that we'll get into later. yeah her Her character, she she's a good actress. I like her to an extent in Yellow Jackets, but in here, i just I don't like what she's given to bring to the screen.
00:37:17
Speaker
by yeah so you you have all of the new characters. Then we're like slowly... Well, at this point, we have the legacy characters back. so
Sidney's Return and Character Evolution
00:37:29
Speaker
you know Sam and Richie, they did go to Dewey's little trailer to try to talk to him to get help.
00:37:35
Speaker
He was at their little meeting there too. and You just see how... Dewey just basically let himself go. He's no longer the sheriff. He is drinking with his coffee, but he's still watching, you know, Gail on TV.
00:37:53
Speaker
So it's like, all right, they're not together, but clearly they miss each other. He misses her. I don't know how she feels. So, you know, you're already in like that that heartbroken moment for him because you see he has ah ah picture of him and Gale next to his urn of Tatum.
00:38:15
Speaker
And it's just like, wow, just entering that trailer just brought out so much sadness. So it was cool to see him kind of pull himself together to go to that little meeting to try to help out the new characters who are in this whole situation with Ghostface.
00:38:37
Speaker
So I was happy that they brought him back. I just... I hated like the little conversation that he had with Sidney because he calls her, he warns her.
00:38:48
Speaker
We find out, like you had mentioned, that Sidney ended up with Mark Kincaid, our favorite Patrick Dempsey. Yeah, we were texting about that.
00:38:59
Speaker
i didn't love that. It kind of came out of nowhere. why I guess it just I didn't love it at first. I don't know. I liked it just because I was like, okay, you know.
00:39:12
Speaker
I think I liked it more so because Sydney was going to be with someone who was good for her, but they don't show him. Feels like she's settled. Yeah. Wait, what?
00:39:22
Speaker
Settled? Really settled for Patrick Dempsey? I thought we were both team Dempsey over here. I'm team Dempsey, but it's like, you know, you're like just out of college or whatever. It's like, you know, date around. Don't settle for the first hero in your life.
00:39:39
Speaker
I mean she doesn't have the best track record with guys. She dated a serial killer, then got the one good guy that she was with killed.
00:39:51
Speaker
so she probably wasn't like in the mood to date around. and Yeah, good point. So, yeah, you know, she felt safe.
00:40:03
Speaker
and Dewey's, like, whole situation in this movie, first time around, didn't really like it. Second time around, after watching the whole thing, I kind of grew to accept it a little bit. I didn't like him and Gale being split apart.
00:40:22
Speaker
initially it rubbed me the wrong way but this is kind of where like on rewatch this is kind of where i started to piece together like oh this movie is more so on the side of the last jedi and it felt like the production kind of reflected that a little bit so they approached david arquette and they told him you're gonna die in this one they were very upfront with him and at first he was against it he was against dewey's living situation him being off the force and being alone in a trailer he was like dewey wouldn't do this which is the same like conversation that mark hamill had with the director ryan johnson when it came to how to handle luke skywalker in the last jedi
00:41:08
Speaker
And they disagreed. And I would argue they got a more interesting performance. And some of the most most interesting stuff does come from when a director and an actor disagree on takes for characters.
00:41:22
Speaker
Like, a lot of the times I would say the director ends up being right. And I think in this case they were kind of right. They needed to, like... put Dewey in a more approachable position, give him a reason to really want to get back into this and give it another shot. I felt like the movie did a good job of justifying it. And David Arquette eventually came around to it and was like, you know what?
00:41:50
Speaker
I'm on board for this take. And if we're going to do it, let's really fucking do this thing. And so that's another way this movie kind of like reflects Star Wars. Okay, so since you keep jumping back to that, we might as well rip the Band-Aid off and, you know, go into the scene with, you know, Dewey's final moments. i The first time I watched that,
00:42:18
Speaker
I fucking was in tears. i was so sad and pissed off because, yeah, they do a lot of fake-out deaths and Dewey is stabbed in every fucking film.
00:42:34
Speaker
So I'm like... hill He's going to make it. He's going to be okay. He's Dewey. He pulls through. boy no, you see, fucking, he's going to, he's, we're at the hospital now, guys.
00:42:47
Speaker
Sorry, we're jumping around a lot. They've seen it. This is their favorite movie. They get it. Yeah, exactly. Dewey realized he didn't shoot Ghostface in the head, so he was going to go back to just shoot him in the head. And there was that little moment right there, too, where him and Sam Carpenter, was they were talking, and Sam was just like, who gives a fuck? And he's like, I do You have to shoot him in the head. you
Legacy Characters' Dynamics
00:43:13
Speaker
know i do.
00:43:14
Speaker
And then the elevator's elevator door closes. So he walks back. He's getting ready to shoot Ghostface. But then fucking Gail comes and ruins it because she calls him. And he gets distracted. He looks at his phone. And that was the moment where the killer striked and then fucking stabbed him, like, in the stomach, in the back.
00:43:37
Speaker
And then, oh my God, Roger L. Jackson's voice gives me chills every time I hear it because whenever he turns it on, it's just it is so difficult to just sit through because you hear him saying, like, it's an honor. And then, you know, he kills Dewey. And then I'm like, he's not dead. He's not dead. And then they focus in on his face. I'm like, oh, my God, he is dead.
00:44:04
Speaker
and I started crying. Yeah. Of course. i was He's disemboweled and shit. like i don't know about you, but when I watch these movies a second time, I i don't know if it's me, but I feel like i might be projecting the voices of the actors onto Ghostface because when Ghostface says, it's an honor...
00:44:27
Speaker
I imagined Amber saying that to Dewey right then and there. i felt like There's even points where Ghostface is talking and I'm like, that sounds like how Jack Quaid kind of talks.
00:44:39
Speaker
Spoilers for who the killers are. We didn't get there yet, but you know we've been tipped. I'm surprised we haven't spoiled it yet, actually. but i know. Yeah.
00:44:50
Speaker
I liked things about Dewey's exit, and I disliked some things about Dewey's exit. I like that when Sam is like, who gives a fuck?
00:45:00
Speaker
He's like, I do. And I'm like, yeah, Dewey would give a fuck. I said it on, I think, the last episode. Maybe it was the one before that he always puts himself in front of the danger for other people.
00:45:12
Speaker
That's why I believed, like, Dewey would come back when he's in this position. I believed he would come back to Woodsboro. He doesn't seem like a guy who would be cut out for New York. And I believe Gale would leave Woodsboro.
00:45:25
Speaker
But one thing I didn't buy in this scene was that dewey goes out by a phone call it's like he's not fucking doofy or whatever from scary movie why can't he have like a heroic moment and i do feel like dewey uh dewey's story arc does kind of reflect on david arquette actually like things he had gone through in his life he hit a lot of low periods But i I felt like he would go out like a hero. David Arquette was like a hardcore wrestler.
00:46:02
Speaker
Have him like fucking suplex Ghostface or something before he goes out. You know, I didn't love that it was a phone call from Gail. Yeah, I didn't either because...
00:46:15
Speaker
i'm I'm reading way too much into this, but it's kind of just like, you know, their relationship was doomed from the start. Essentially, they were trying um um so hard to, you know, make it work, be together. Clearly, it didn't.
00:46:31
Speaker
And then because she called him for whatever fucking reason, he ends up getting killed. I did not like that either. So just the way it all ended up, I understand why they took him out.
00:46:47
Speaker
But it did it not it did not need to be that way. It was so, so tragic. Yeah, they I mean, they had they've done the Dewey fake-out so often they had to really show you this guy is dead. They had to hammer it home. He's dead, and he's not coming back.
00:47:06
Speaker
the screenwriters said their reasoning behind... Not their full reasoning behind killing Dewey, but what killing Dewey allows them to do is bring Sidney back to Woodsboro.
00:47:19
Speaker
There was no believable way that they think Sidney would return to Woodsboro unless it was because circumstances were high like that, ah ah you know high enough like one of your beloved friends just got murdered.
00:47:34
Speaker
True, because I think if it was the other way around, if Gail was the one that was killed, she wouldn't have come back. Yeah, and this movie kind of portrays it like Sydney and Gail had a, like, fully bad relationship, but I felt like they left things off in Scream 4 pretty well.
00:47:54
Speaker
i I don't know, but and was I was on the fence with Sydney in the last episode, her coming back. She won me over again with this movie.
00:48:05
Speaker
I, uh... I felt like she was a really, really believable and grounded final girl. One of the, probably the best return of a final girl. I think she's better than the return of Jamie Lee Curtis and Halloween.
00:48:19
Speaker
Yeah, definitely. i think she a crowd favorite of a final girl. Definitely one of my favorites. And there were some things in here that, you know, she said that I didn't like because, again, it kind of just felt forced. Again, it's not her.
00:48:39
Speaker
But I love the fact that she did come back and, You know, it seems like her relationship with Gail was never fully forgiven. You know, okay, we we squashed all the bad beef between us, but, you know, we're not friends necessarily. We're just,
Skeet Ulrich's Return as Billy Loomis
00:48:57
Speaker
you know...
00:48:58
Speaker
acquaintances. But, you know, she did go there because her friend was just murdered and now she's trying to be there for Gail and then wants to help out with these legacy characters.
00:49:10
Speaker
But she does say, you know, you know, I have kids, so I'm not gonna rest until this killer's on the ground. i don't know. I kind of didn't like that line delivery or line in general.
00:49:23
Speaker
But her coming back and her and Gail actually helping with the killing of the two ghost face in here, see sealed a good deal for me. like You can't go wrong with Neve Campbell, honestly.
00:49:42
Speaker
While we're on the topic of returning cast members, somebody who we haven't actually mentioned yet, Skeet Ulrich comes back. This might be the last thing for me to mention when it comes to things that rub me the wrong way.
00:49:58
Speaker
i didn't really love Skeet Ulrich coming back. How did you feel about that? I was curious because, you know, a lot of like little detail leaks were going on the internet when, before this movie came out.
00:50:15
Speaker
And when I did find out that he was in it, I was like, wait, so he's not dead. He's alive. But we ended up finding out that, you know, he's Sam Carpenter's real dad.
00:50:29
Speaker
and When she found that out, she found out that her mom was unfaithful to her her supposed dad. That dad finds out he leaves, and then, you know, Sam Carpenter, that's what led to her just being like a rebellious teenager and then leaving in general.
00:50:49
Speaker
But her little flashbacks of him as Billy Loomis and, you know, You see him you know all bloody with like his white t-shirt and his jeans.
00:51:03
Speaker
It didn't work. like i I didn't like it because it's like, okay, Billy was a murderer and you know he was just a bad person all around, but in this one, he kind of plays as if he's Sam's conscious, so to speak, because he little by little- like redeeming him.
00:51:26
Speaker
Yeah, he's like, you know, let's, you know, do what we got to do to survive. And, you know, let's like start like killing off these people before they kill us.
00:51:38
Speaker
And even in the end where she is stabbing Richie to kill him. she kind of like looks in the mirror or something, and she sees like a look of acknowledgement from like Billy Loomis. Like, yeah, good job. It's like, that wasn't Yeah, had girl.
00:51:59
Speaker
That's my daughter. Yeah, exactly. So I wasn't a fan of that either. Yeah, it... It felt really odd. So it's... Skeet Ulrich is Billy Loomis in the clothes that he got murdered in. Weird that she's seeing him that way. It's almost like they're using that to kind of help the audience put the dots together a little bit. And they like digitally de-aged him a little bit, smoothed out his face a little bit, because he definitely has like some wrinkles in real life that he didn't have. And it...
Tribute to Wes Craven
00:52:35
Speaker
just felt really weird at first. It like took me out of the movie. i was just, I spent so much time thinking about yeah what they were doing as opposed to like the movie itself.
00:52:48
Speaker
And it, uh, didn't fully work for me. I guess the screenwriters, they were really on the fence about whether or not they wanted to,
00:53:02
Speaker
have that in the movie and kevin williamson was actually the guy who convinced them to go for it he was like this part right here doesn't sound like it's from a scream movie at all so i think you guys should go for it do something that sounds a little different and makes you a little bit nervous to do and Kevin Williamson himself, he actually originally didn't want to have any involvement with this movie.
00:53:31
Speaker
He talks about how he had a really, really rough time working with the Weinsteins when he had a deal with them at Miramax. And so there was just too much water under the bridge to do it.
00:53:43
Speaker
And he met with the guys a couple of times and And eventually called them and was like, can you dedicate this thing to Wes? They were like, absolutely, we will. And he was like, all right, I'll give you guys notes on this and help you out wherever I can.
00:54:00
Speaker
And ah I didn't know he had that involvement at first, but... That was really sweet, and we'll get to it at the end. The Wes stuff I found very touching.
00:54:12
Speaker
You know, I tried to imagine it when I was hearing him ah ah hearing it get talked about on the commentary. Like, yeah, he was probably thinking about Scream, and what a great time he had working with Wes Craven on those things. Yeah.
00:54:25
Speaker
They worked on all of them together except for three, I want to say. And it was probably like a big bonding experience. They accomplished a lot. They like did a lot of cool and fun shit and put their hearts into Scream. And I was like really happy that at the end of the day for Kevin Williamson, it did come down to being about Wes Craven.
00:54:48
Speaker
Getting a little
Emotional Impact of Wes and Judy's Deaths
00:54:49
Speaker
emotional talking about it. I know. while theyre While we're on that topic, we should just jump right into the party scene and talk about that final detail there. Yeah.
00:54:59
Speaker
Well, before we hop into that, executive let's talk about the Wes Craven character and why they're throwing the party. Not the Wes Craven character. His last name is not Craven, but there's a Wes character played by Dylan Minetti. I don't know how to pronounce his name. but he i had been familiar with him because of Prisoners and Don't Breathe.
00:55:28
Speaker
I don't know if you've seen either of those movies. I saw Don't Breathe. That one was pretty good. I didn't bother seeing the second one. Yeah, I liked Dylan and his whole vibe. you know He accuses Dewey at one point.
00:55:42
Speaker
Dewey actually accuses Richie in a very spot-on way at one point in the movie. I like the accusations when they come flying in these movies, but...
00:55:53
Speaker
He's a very, like, ah ah cool kid, I thought. Like, I like the specificity of his hair, his look. And he's Judy Hicks. I think that's her name.
00:56:05
Speaker
Her son. Mm-hmm. And I really enjoyed their relationship together. Like there's a little detail that I noticed that I kind of love.
00:56:16
Speaker
She's calling and placing an order for sushi or whatever, extra edamame. She's like, I'm going to go pick up the food. And he's like, okay, I'm going to, he gets the chopsticks, the sriracha. And I'm like, it feels like they do this all the time.
00:56:29
Speaker
Like that it felt so lived in and charming And it made me, it made the loss of those characters hit very hard. Hicks being murdered in daylight in the fucking streets was one of the most like ah ah provocative images, I think in the franchise. I don't think we've gotten broad day murder like that with that level of brutality. And Wes gets like a knife through the side of his neck and
00:57:03
Speaker
in a very gross and upsetting and honestly, very cool shot. It's both of these deaths I found were very effective. What were your thoughts on them?
00:57:14
Speaker
They were painful to watch, honestly, because, yeah, you see the mom, she's going to pick up food. Ghostface calls her what while she's on the way over. And so she's like, all right, you know, what is he what is he what is his game right now? But then he's basically like saying, you know, I'm about to kill your son, you know, kind of think of, you know, the kill scene from Psycho.
00:57:38
Speaker
and like how they did that little plug in right there. but yeah, once she like jets home and she's just killed directly in front of our house, that, that was just so sad to watch because it's like, damn, she was right there and she just fell right into that trap.
00:57:57
Speaker
And then her son doesn't know anything that happened. And, you know, he's getting their, you know, plates ready and everything. I love that scene, too. I thought that was super cute.
00:58:08
Speaker
But it was very painful for me to watch it because it's like, wow, he's setting all this up and he's about to find out that his mom is dead. But then... Thankfully, he doesn't find that out, but, you know, unfortunately, he gets killed himself.
00:58:23
Speaker
Those were pretty brutal, in my opinion, too. the The detail they show with the knife just, like, going through his neck was disgusting.
00:58:34
Speaker
and I don't know. it It definitely sucks because it's like majority of the blonde characters in these films are the ones that get killed.
00:58:44
Speaker
You know, Casey Becker, now Sheriff Hicks and Wes Hicks. So I don't I don't know. They it was just sad to watch.
00:58:55
Speaker
That's a good detail. I wouldn't be surprised if the blonde thing is intentional. But this is how the filmmakers decided that they were going to work in their tribute to Wes.
00:59:07
Speaker
They thought, what would be a better way in a franchise that's meta than to name the character... after the director, kill the character, and then have an in-movie memorial party for the character where everyone is like cheering to Wes.
00:59:27
Speaker
It's the movie itself cheering to Wes Craven. And while it's pretty brief, like it's Chad, that character, he calls him a beautiful motherfucker at one point.
00:59:39
Speaker
I thought that was a really nice touch. there's We were talking about voiceovers earlier. There's a lot of voiceovers in this scene. Matthew Lillard has another voiceover.
00:59:52
Speaker
I didn't catch it in the movie in the commentary. He says to Amber, he says, Hey, Freeman, nice house at the party. And then the cheer when they do two Wes's.
01:00:04
Speaker
They have voiceovers from Matthew Lillard, Henry Winkler, Wes Craven's widow, and a bunch of other people who were involved with the production.
01:00:14
Speaker
Yeah, they even had Jamie Kennedy, Hayden Panettiere, Adam Brody, and Drew Barrymore get in this part. so you know It was very heartwarming to hear that because like yeah you like if you're a fan of these films, you know that was for Wes Craven.
01:00:33
Speaker
so When you're watching it for the first time, you're like... you feel that you're like, you know, you're joining in with them in unison, like, yeah, to Wes. But then once you find out those details that all of these people did like a chime in saying to Wes, it's another moment that's like a tearjerker moment because it's like all of these people were essentially a family within the Scream franchise. And, you know, it wouldn't be a thing unless it was for Wes Craven. So,
01:01:04
Speaker
I fucking love that detail so much, and it was a good way to you know bring it to a party scene. It was. They had
Wes Craven's Influence and Absence
01:01:12
Speaker
to end at a party. They wanted to get it to the original location of the original location of the first Scream movie, so I thought that was like a good way to get it there. Yeah.
01:01:26
Speaker
You do feel the absence of Wes Craven and in this movie, I think. and You do. It's not the movie yeah and it's not the movie's fault.
01:01:38
Speaker
It's nothing you can really hold against the movie. But the way he would stage those action sequences, the way he had the camera move in relation to what was happening on set, the way he would frame a lot of these deaths,
01:01:56
Speaker
how propulsive the action would be it's that there was a an energy that he brought to the these movies a life and not saying that this movie doesn't have energy in life but it doesn't have the west craven energy in life Yeah, it still delivers in its own way. And, you know, the directors, they they did their best with, know, paying their respects and doing this in honor of Wes Craven.
01:02:28
Speaker
Even at the end, when before they do like the the credits, they have for Wes at the end of the movie, and then you hear like birds because Wes Craven was avid bird watcher.
01:02:43
Speaker
so you know like they They did everything to you know honor Wes Craven in this film, and it shows, but you can definitely feel the lack of Wes Craven's presence in here.
01:02:56
Speaker
Yeah, that for Wes at the end, actually, both times I've watched it, it made me cry a little bit. I got pretty choked up. it It just... I don't even know why... I've never had like a big attachment to Wes Craven, I don't know.
01:03:16
Speaker
It just hit me. It it felt like a loss. He was... ah I mean, a fantastic director. He's brought some of the most iconic things into horror. Between Hills Have Eyes, creating Nightmare on Elm Street, creating and basically running the Scream franchise for most of its existence.
01:03:38
Speaker
it's just It just sucks that he can't be involved with these things anymore. it's It's kind of crazy, too, just because, you know, i i basically ripped on Mindy Meek's whole monologue when she was talking about all the rules in explaining everything about requels.
01:03:59
Speaker
but you know, there was a a little detail in there where she was saying like, you know, you can't fuck with the original movie because you know, that's what people grew up on. That's like what made them fall in love with horror because you know, their parents put it on. It was something for them to bond over.
01:04:20
Speaker
And, you know, that resonated with me a lot because it's like, yeah, you know, a lot of these films that I have grown to love now and that are a big part of my life are because of my mom.
01:04:33
Speaker
know, she let my siblings watch them. She let me watch them. and then I got to a point where I was always watching them with her and, you know, referencing a lot of movies with her.
01:04:46
Speaker
So it's like when I first watched Scream 5 and, uh, that detail came up. I was pretty hooked, but then, you know, that scene kept going and going and then it ended up like being a little too much for me.
01:05:01
Speaker
But I like that they had that in here. And with, you know, Wes Craven not being in here, it just kind of hit home for me even more so like, damn, you know, he was a big part of my childhood.
01:05:16
Speaker
not really knowing that he was, but like losing him and then, you know, seeing the lack of presence here. It like I know a lot of fans felt the same way. So it's it's a little difficult to watch at some points.
01:05:32
Speaker
And one thing you touched on a little bit when you were mentioning the connection people have to these movies and like I watched them with my parents. I grew up on these. They were bonding moments.
01:05:46
Speaker
I do like that at the end of the day, this movie is about, yeah, but what if you take that too far? What if you take that love for the thing to a incredibly toxic level?
01:05:59
Speaker
Like, I like that the movie is not saying, like, loving the movie is a bad thing, but what you do with that love can be a pretty bad thing. Yeah,
Fandoms: Love and Toxicity
01:06:09
Speaker
because then, realistically, people do shit on the new film or just little details about it. Like, you know, one example, my it and it's a bad example, too, but it was just funny. When a Halloween...
01:06:24
Speaker
what was it, 5 came out? Or not when it came out, but me and my mom would be watching all the Halloween films when they were on TV, and when that one would come on we would just talk so much shit about it because everything was different, and it's like, you can't expect us to believe this. So, yeah, for them to kind of push the limits here, you know, they they made some ballsy moves with this film. Some of them, you know...
01:06:53
Speaker
they were good. Some of them, you know, i wish they didn't happen, but they were necessary. So yeah, they do take some, you know, risks here, but you know, it's necessary because if you're just going to completely do a whole remake down to every dotted I and cross T, then, you know, you're just kind of wasting time.
01:07:18
Speaker
Yeah, you can't bend over. but So at a certain point, like I feel like it goes against artistic value to try to just appease fans.
01:07:31
Speaker
If you ask me, fans should have no involvement in how movies are made or decisions being made and with movies. But also, if you ask me, movies should not be made by committee. And that's a lot of the reason why sequels end up being so bad, because it's made by producers and it's not made with an artistic mind. It's just made to meet a release date because the thing before it made enough money to justify wanting to make more money off of it.
01:08:03
Speaker
it You know, so there you can see both ends ah ah of the argument, but at the end of the day, when you have all of these hands and opinions in the process, kind of takes away from the art of it all.
01:08:19
Speaker
What's it called? Chad has a really fun sequence where he gets attacked by Ghostface where he's looking for Liv. Not sure if we mentioned her. Totally makes me realize that she's not much of a character since she's not really brought up till now.
01:08:35
Speaker
But really he's trying to find, like, he shoots her down for sex. She gets mad, walks away. He's like, because he thinks she might be the killer. And then he ends up, as he's going to find her, he gets attacked by Ghostface in a pretty, like, upsetting scene. I was glad that this character survived. I wanted him to make it out of this situation alive. And he did by the end of it.
01:09:00
Speaker
And, uh... So then from there, we're back in the party. We have Amber and Mindy have a really interesting and interaction in the basement. Like, why'd you come down here alone?
01:09:14
Speaker
All of this stuff. What did you think about that? Did you have an issue with it? I did. So I'm sorry, I'm just like ripping on the character of Mindy because this was another part that kind of bothered me because, you know, she knows shit's going down. Mindy does.
01:09:33
Speaker
And, you know, she's she has that like fucking, you know, I know this is going to happen type of attitude. and she's just gonna let it happen. Like, she, she, uh, follows Amber downstairs and was like, okay, well, you know, why are you coming down here by yourself?
01:09:53
Speaker
Like, you know, that's against the rules or whatever the fuck she said. But she
Reveal of Ghostface and Motivations
01:09:58
Speaker
just looks like such a fucking know-it-all and it's like, oh my God, watch this girl be the killer when I first watched it because then she just kind of pokes at like, well, how do you know I'm not the killer or whatever or like whatever they say.
01:10:13
Speaker
So that part bothered me, but then she's like, yeah, see, now you're learning. And then they just like go upstairs. And then even towards the end when like Richie was like, okay, I'll be back when he was going to go to the garage or basement, they're just laughing. Yeah.
01:10:30
Speaker
Yeah, and he's like, well, do you want to come with me? She's like, no, but you're smart to ask. It's like, with all of this going on why are you just going to sit here by yourself? like Clearly, you know not to trust anybody, so wouldn't you want to not be alone? um i don't know. I didn't like yeah what they did with her.
01:10:52
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, I don't think Mindy's that likable of a character. And so we're about to get to the ghost face reveal in a second.
01:11:04
Speaker
Did you, were you able to tell on your first viewing who the killers were? Like, who were your suspicions leading towards? Honestly, i I couldn't tell. like I wanted to say it was Richie, but because of like the stupid little dorky moments that he was having like when the sheriff is like, oh, where were you during this little altercation? He's like, I was watching Stab.
01:11:34
Speaker
And like it was just funny. So it's like, OK, well, he's stupid. he He can't be the killer. But then, you know, I was kind of thinking it was Amber just because she had like a bitchy attitude majority of the time. And then she was constantly accusing everyone.
01:11:50
Speaker
So it's like, right, what's your deal? But again, I'm always bad at like figuring out who is the killer. So it's like I was kind of suspecting them, but then finding reasons not to suspect them.
01:12:03
Speaker
This movie does a very good job, much like the first movie of, and the fourth one, I'd say, of placing characters who are Ghostface with Ghostface. So, like, the hospital scene, Jack Quaid's character is there as, like, you know, they're all fighting Ghostface, so it kind of gets rid of a little bit of accountability from him.
01:12:25
Speaker
He's also not in Woodsboro initially, so you kind of got to think, like... Would he have driven Woodsboro to act out the Jenna Ortega crime? And then Amber also is in the video from the beginning. Someone's recording her.
01:12:41
Speaker
So that kind of lets you off the hook a little bit. Plus, she's with Jenna Ortega at the party. So she's like, I couldn't have been ghost-faced right before the actual reveal itself happens.
01:12:54
Speaker
but like i kind of guessed it slightly jack quaid gets sliced on the arm and i was like that happened to jill in the last one i think he might be the killer and turned out he he was and i was like okay and then uh mindy i was just like or not mindy amber before this she was in once upon a time in Hollywood where she's playing, uh, one of the Manson children, whatever they're called. And she's absolutely fucking bat shit crazy in that movie.
01:13:31
Speaker
And I was like, i bet you cast her as the killer because, because of that once upon a time in Hollywood performance, I was like, she's going to lose her fucking shit at the end of this movie.
01:13:42
Speaker
And, uh, Yeah, I kind of like accidentally piece it together. You look like you're burning up. Sorry for talking so much. What do you got to say? No, it's nothing too crazy. I'm just kind of fidgety right now. I did have a a ah point.
01:13:58
Speaker
So yeah, it was funny because being able to rewatch it for the podcast, you get to see like the little interaction that Amber and Richie have together where it's like, damn, why didn't I pay more close attention to that?
01:14:15
Speaker
Because at one point when they're in the hospital, and I think it's when Sheriff Hicks is questioning all of them, you know, Amber is just accusing Richie and, you know, they're kind of playfully going back and forth, like accusing each other.
01:14:32
Speaker
Yeah. So it's like, okay, well, both of you are the killer and or killers. And you guys are both trying to just pass the blame on the other person. And then once they get to the party, you know, Sam, Tara and Richie get there because Taylor can't or Taylor, Tara can't find her and Hayler.
01:14:54
Speaker
and she knows that she has one at Amber's house. Amber is like, okay, yeah, we'll get it. But then she just is like, all right, everyone, party's over.
01:15:03
Speaker
And then Richie's also like... weird. Yeah, and Richie's over there helping, like, turning on all the lights and like, yeah, okay, everybody, trying to save you. Gen Z here, Gen z Yeah, like, just get out. like that.
01:15:18
Speaker
Yeah, it was weird because it was like, oh, wow, you know, they they were actually like setting the scene. And it was funny because I think Jamie Kennedy had another voiceover at this part where it's like, you know, somebody's dad is kicking us out or some shit that he said at that part. So, yeah, I heard that line.
01:15:38
Speaker
Yeah, so it was, I don't know, those little nods, it's like, all right, how do you miss that they're the killer? But again, I'm very bad at piecing it together. That is a good point. I didn't really think about the fact that they were the two to get everybody out of the house. On the commentary, actually, I think it's the two directors who are like, they even point out, I don't know why they would need everybody to leave to get an inhaler.
01:16:05
Speaker
Right. It doesn't make sense. so that That's a good catch. Everything leading up to their reveal I think is really great and really tense.
01:16:16
Speaker
Sydney and Gail show up at a certain point. But I think they show up after Amber's revealed to be the killer. So how does that happen?
01:16:27
Speaker
They find Chad murdered, I think, and Mindy just gets attacked by Ghostface. Yeah, then they all kind of converge in the living room. Liv is covered in Chad's blood.
01:16:38
Speaker
They're all pointing the blame. And Amber just out of nowhere is like, I forgot what she says. She's like, cause I'm the killer whatever, pulls out the gun and just off to live right then and there.
01:16:50
Speaker
i was like, yeah, baby, this is where we're fucking cooking. You pick the right actress to be the psycho in this one. Anora herself. I told myself I was going to call her Anora the whole review, but I forgot.
01:17:03
Speaker
But that's what she won the Oscar for is for playing the character of a Nora in the movie, and Nora earlier this year. But I mean, yeah, good for her. You know, maybe not Rory Culkin, another scream alumni should get an Oscar.
01:17:19
Speaker
It just proves that the villains of scream need Oscars. Give a Matthew Lillard an Oscar for something. But right. it yeah but so yeah then shit hits the fan and i really love sydney and gail show up and amber's like he stabbed me and they're like what do you think about this and she's like definitely a trap and then uh amber's like fuck it and shoots gail and gail kind of just like lightly falls on the grass after getting a shot to the kidney and
01:17:55
Speaker
Yes, Sydney, what do they do? they does Sydney doesn't fight Mindy. Does she just run off after she shoots Gail? She goes in the house and she's looking for them. Some of the moves that she's doing while she's going in the house kind of resembles Dewey in the first one when he's like going in and trying to you know investigate, find out where everyone's at.
01:18:20
Speaker
and then ghostface calls her and is kind of like you know making his little reveal like oh you know the i'm the other ghostface and after a while she's like you know she's shooting the doors too as she's going by i'm like that's smart i like that more than the bunker down my house is a fortress that explodes if michael myers gets in here type of thing I like think that she's like, I own a gun and I moved away from Woodsboro. That's my life. And she goes in and she's like, I know the precautions. I'm shooting the doors.
01:18:53
Speaker
And she eventually... i love the hang-up. And then she gets Jack Quaid. And it's just like... In the moment, you're like, wait, is he the killer? Is he not the killer?
01:19:06
Speaker
And then Ghostface shows up and he's like, holy shit, it's Ghostface. And oh, man, the movie's like firing on it all fucking cylinders at this point. think about all the fucking PTSD that Sydney's going through because she had to live through that shit in the first scream.
01:19:24
Speaker
Then in part three, she was basically seeing Stu's house again when she was on set for, stab three return to Woodsboro. And then now she's back in Stu's house, uh, because apparently that's where Amber lives.
01:19:40
Speaker
and, It's funny how nobody knew that like in the new cast of friends here. But yeah, so she's in there and like, yeah, just I feel bad for her just having to deal with that shit all over again. So I like the little detail when she's like, I'm bored and just fucking hangs up.
01:20:01
Speaker
And yeah, so I was thoroughly enjoying like this whole buildup of this scene. I am curious how Amber joined into their friend group because they say Jack Quaid, his character was like, you know, on message boards for stab. And that's how him and Amber end up meeting is through the message boards. And he tracks down Sam because he,
01:20:26
Speaker
realizes somehow that that's Billy Loomis' daughter. How does Amber get into the friend group? Does she purchase their house and just never invites anyone over and befriends Tara somehow? It must just be as easy as befriending Tara.
01:20:42
Speaker
I mean, she almost seems like she has like a weird, not weird, but it seems like she has like an obsessive, like borderlining, like a lesbian love for Tara at points.
01:20:54
Speaker
I'm not going to lie. When I first watched it, when um um Tara and Amber were texting each other in the beginning, when Tara was trying to get her to come over, I was like, oh, they're probably you know dating.
01:21:06
Speaker
and Then just kind of seeing how close... how close that amber would stand next to tara like she was like always kind of hovering over her even when sam came back like she didn't really want to leave tara's until she said you know what let's give them some space or give tara some space so yeah i i picked up on that too i felt the same way about that
01:21:36
Speaker
Yeah, and I like how just sick and manipulative these two are. Like Jack
Climax and Character Confrontations
01:21:42
Speaker
Quaid in the basement when Sam has the knife to him and he's like, he's really selling it.
01:21:48
Speaker
when Like when you were talking about Rory Culkin's character being a bad actor in Scream 4, I was like, fucking Richie is a good actor. Like having his hands up and he's like, I think it could be your sister. you two have been estranged for like a very long time.
01:22:04
Speaker
And it seems like he kind of actually convinces her to a point. I was believing Jack Quaid's character. He was really every time this movie was like so obvious about him being the killer. I was like, he can't be the killer, not him.
01:22:21
Speaker
No, but yet when, when he's revealed to be the killer, it's like go, uh, Amber and, uh, what's it called? Sydney are wrestling at the top of the staircase and they end up falling over. And, uh, Jack Quaid is going for Sydney's gun that she dropped.
01:22:43
Speaker
And, uh, Sam ends up getting it first. He goes up to her. like, baby, I'm so glad you're alive. And then stabs her takes the gun. And he's like, because I wanted to be the one to kill you. And he drops a line.
01:22:54
Speaker
And it felt like he was talking to me when he dropped that line. But he's like, i know. Bummer. It's me. And I was like, it is a bummer, Jack Quaid. You're right. I wanted expected more from you, man. I thought you were a boy. You're a real boy.
01:23:10
Speaker
Yeah, he when he was revealed, I was like, son of a bitch. So it was fine. It was the love interest. And I love that he actually said, you know, Dewey was like spot on. Like he yeah automatically knew not to fucking trust me. But, you know, yeah. That's good sense Yeah, definitely. like But do i have to take this from shitty Sam Elliott? He drops lines like that in such a way where you're like, it's not Jack Quaid.
01:23:36
Speaker
I like you know when he flips his switch and you know he you could see he's he's fucking like he's psychotic.
01:23:47
Speaker
But when Amber flips her switch, she's just fucking like demented. and It's weird. like I forgot where I heard it from. Someone was trying to compare her um um little breakdown here to like how like flipped out stew was in the first one you can't compare the two like and i think that's just because i'm super biased towards matthew lillard but also i don't like her you know
01:24:23
Speaker
I don't like her performance here. Like it's nothing against her. i haven't seen her in anything else. I'm trying not to be like, oh, I don't like the the actor or actress because it could just be, you know, what they were given or just, you know, the character itself.
01:24:38
Speaker
But no, I don't like, you know, her portrayal of like being a serial killer. She just I don't know. It just looks very like juvenile.
01:24:49
Speaker
I would call her obnoxious, and I kind of liked how loud and obnoxious she was. She's doing a little bit... i would say she's doing her Once Upon a Time in Hollywood performance, but ah ah a little toned down, I would say. Because in Once Upon Time in Hollywood, she's like...
01:25:06
Speaker
wait man we gotta that's rick dalton man he's we go in there and we kill a man and it's like because she's it's 69 you know so she's like a hippie chick on bunch of psychedelics but she i mean i'll send you that clip if you don't want to watch the whole movie it's a tarantino movie though if you're into tarantino but she her performance in that is very reminiscent of this. so I was digging it.
01:25:34
Speaker
I'm a a big fan of her, but she does have a very loud quality to her that I can see being off-putting. Yeah, obnoxious was a better word that I couldn't think of, but yeah, there was even a part where she was just like...
01:25:51
Speaker
like trying to make a little like knife stabbing sound effect. And it's like, please stop. Like we already know you're the killer. You're fucking crazy. You just like doing that is just, it's too much. It's you're being very, very extra. love that.
01:26:08
Speaker
Oh, I hated that part. liked it a lot. It was very like just very twisted, especially too when she's in the kitchen with Sydney and Gail and they've got her like cornered. I love that they smash hand sanitizer on her face and she's like, hand sanitizer? like She can't believe it.
01:26:27
Speaker
and i didn't realize That was a good setup. I didn't realize that was going to come into play a little later, but then she's like, wait wait wait don't just don't kill me please i was radicalized by the message boards and oh man she's just trying to wait for them to get close enough and then she like takes a shot at dewey uh squeezes gail right where she shot her you didn't like that shot at dewey Hell no. I was like, how the fuck are you going to say that? Like, oh my God, I was so pissed off at that point. Like, another reason for me not to like this character because it's like, one, you killed Dewey. Now you're just fucking like...
01:27:10
Speaker
Just like, what is it? can't think of this one. Rubbing salt in the wound. Yeah, that that was exactly what I was trying to say. So I hated that part. i feel like I feel like you're not supposed to like her the most out of all these.
01:27:25
Speaker
Because Richie, I think, by the end is still so supposed to be a likable character. But I think the movie wants you to fully hate Amber at this point. That's why they they light her on fire.
01:27:37
Speaker
and
01:27:38
Speaker
Do you care if I spoil what happens in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood? That's fine. All so spoilers for Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. I'm pretty sure they light her on fire in that movie, too. I want to say Leonardo DiCaprio takes a flamethrower to her. I think she's the one who gets lit on fire after being fucking brutally...
01:27:58
Speaker
beaten up by brad pitt and attacked by a dog they like really fuck her up in that one but she got lit on fire i'm like that's kind of reminiscent of uh wins upon time in hollywood a little bit yeah that's her fate though what do you think about uh richie's fate how they did him in remind me again how his death played out because i was more so just focused on her and i'm a little fuzzy on his death right now okay so his death kind of annoyed me a little bit not the death fully but the thing surrounding his death so uh i want to say he's on top of sam and sam's looking in the reflection at billy loomis and he's like over there there's the knife and i was like how the fuck i thought these were visions so now he's supernatural he's able to like notice things that sam doesn't notice in the real world
01:28:51
Speaker
I didn't understand the rules fully of Billy Loomis, but I was like, okay, you're hinging it on this. I was able to forgive it though. Small nitpick, ah but she gets the knife and stabs him through the cheek.
01:29:03
Speaker
It's really fucking upsetting. And then goes full Billy Loomis and is just, it reminded me of Zodiac actually. I don't know if you've seen that movie, Jake Gyllenhaal, Robert Downey Jr. The Zodiac killer brutally murders people.
01:29:19
Speaker
on this beach in broad daylight and her stabbing him felt very reminiscent of that and then he stops and it's like wait what about
Films Reflecting on Storytelling
01:29:27
Speaker
my ending and then I don't know if she says fuck your ending or something but then she's like here's your ending and slits his throat and he bleeds out yeah now I remember it so I don't like how a lot of the films, they have something like that. you know In the first one you have Billy and Stu basically saying, okay, this is how our ending is going to be.
01:29:53
Speaker
They explain it and... that's pretty much it. But like in the other films, you have them really focusing on something like, oh, this was my movie. Cause like in the third one, Roman, he's a director. And then there's a part where Sidney stabs him and he's like, you know, you know, our mom's dead and you know, I still got to make my movie.
01:30:20
Speaker
And then with part four, you have, Jill and Charlie as the killers. And, you know, they're just more so Charlie and his friend. They were more so just like, yeah, you know, everyone's going to be filming everything.
01:30:39
Speaker
This is like we're making the movie here. And now in here, he's like, well, what about my ending? It's like, all right, can you just like stop with those little like movie reference one liners? They I don't know. I think it's just like it's overplayed at this point.
01:30:55
Speaker
But yeah, when Sam does say to him like, oh, never fuck with the daughter of a serial
Toxic Fandoms and Remakes
01:31:02
Speaker
killer. And then, yeah, she just like starts stabbing him repeatedly, too. After like stabbing him in the cheek, it's like.
01:31:10
Speaker
Just because your dad was Billy Loomis doesn't necessarily mean you have that in you to do it. like you were just attack after yeah You were just attacked after your sister was attacked and a bunch of your friends were attacked. so Instead of the you know being the flight and the fight or flight, you have fight in you and you just go...
01:31:35
Speaker
go You lose it at that point and you stab him to death just to make sure he's really dead. so They could have gone without that line and her just stabbing him repeatedly would have been you know a little smoother for me, but you know that's just my opinion on it. yeah I can see that. and I get how you feel about Richie's line delivery too.
01:31:58
Speaker
It hammered home the theme a little bit too much. But at the end of the day, I do really enjoy their motivation. And it goes back to what we were describing with Mindy's character, the toxic fandom, the people who are like, they ruined my thing. How could they do this?
01:32:17
Speaker
And they're taking that feeling. to the furthest extreme to where they're like, well, you let the fans make the movies. Now the fans get to do it. So they're just like, we're gonna, we know they make this shit into movies. So we're going to make a better, the best sequel since the original, which in a sense is just doing what the original did, which speaks to this like weird, like,
01:32:45
Speaker
fandom of people who are like we don't want any changes just give us the same thing just give us the same thing don't do anything different you know and I really did appreciate that motivation I felt that felt fresh and it felt very different from the Sydney family thing that they kept doing even though they really felt the need to do the Billy Loomis family thing That just reminded me. So i know we've touched upon this before. i just don't remember what episode.
01:33:15
Speaker
So I was one of those fans who was like, I want everything the same if they're going to remake a movie And if it wasn't the same, like, you know, I wasn't really happy. But that was my mentality growing up. You know, I was still a kid, a teenager, whatever.
01:33:35
Speaker
Now, as an adult and hearing and watching all these reviews and people are saying, like, if you're going to try to remake a movie, you're at least be creative with it and add your own spin to it. Don't like repeat it beat for beat because then what the fuck are we watching?
01:33:53
Speaker
And it's like, that makes so much sense to me now because... Yeah, you should like give yourself a chance to shine. you know, you already have the rights to yeah um remake this one Once Upon a Time classic.
01:34:10
Speaker
So why not add your own spice of creativity in there? But yeah, unfortunately, there are going to be the people that are like, no, we don't want anything to change. we want everything to be the exact same.
01:34:23
Speaker
But it's like I would hate when we when I would watch a movie and basically see like this great example, you see Stab in there and you're like the person, they're wearing the same exact outfit as the character in the movie Scream in the Stab film.
01:34:43
Speaker
and it just looks stupid when they're playing out the scene exactly how it was played out for the film that we're watching. So it's like, all right, if that bothers me, that has to bother other people. So people should just fucking, you know, I wish people would chill on the fact when things are different in movies.
01:35:02
Speaker
Yeah, and that is a good takeaway too. If this bothers me, I'm probably not the only one, but Yeah, it is. i mean, that is pretty cool of you to admit like you know have that you have had like a change of heart or change of mentality. I used to be very adverse to remakes too, but now I'm at a point where if it doesn't seem like a cash grab and somebody's got to take, you know, some of...
01:35:28
Speaker
Some pretty iconic movies are remakes. The Thing is a remake. Invasion of the Body Snatchers, the more iconic 70s one, is a remake. Sorcerer is remake of Wages of Fear, I want to say.
01:35:43
Speaker
Star Wars is an amalgamation of a bunch of different things. It's kind of a ripoff of Dune. you know We've seen two iterations of Dune. One person had their own artistic attempt at another person tried to stay close to the book. I mean...
01:35:56
Speaker
It helps to be open at the very least to people taking swings and trying to do something different. Yeah, and it's like that's part of being in that type of industry. like if you're you If you want to be creative, like someone is going to have an opinion on it, and you know Cody Leach says it best that opinions are like assholes, but that doesn't mean you have to be. So it's like...
01:36:25
Speaker
You feel bad when people, you know, they're they're essentially being vulnerable because they're putting something like a little piece of their soul into their artwork, whether it's music, films, anything creative. Podcasting.
01:36:41
Speaker
podcasting, exactly. um and then someone just turns around and is like, oh, I don't like that. This or like that that's this shit is stupid. And it's like, damn, you know that was something that someone like you know lost sleep over. They put like their heart and soul into this.
01:37:01
Speaker
And, you know, a bunch of people could like it but you have that one person who just wants to, like, be that asshole and, like, make his negative or her negative opinion known.
01:37:13
Speaker
It's like, dude, it's okay if you don't like it, but you don't have to be a dick about it. Very beautifully stated, Mercedes, and I completely echo what you said there.
01:37:24
Speaker
You can have a negative opinion, but you don't gotta to go and fucking yell your negative opinion at the people who made the thing. It's
Dewey's Emotional Send-Off and Conclusion
01:37:32
Speaker
okay. They don't need to know how you feel. And maybe other people, people don't always need to know everything that's on your mind.
01:37:39
Speaker
Yeah, but... yeah but that that goes hand in hand with social media and a lot of the radicalization that's in this movie but yeah we can wrap this thing up a little bit Dewey gets a nice little send off with Gale at the end that I really enjoyed it got me pretty emotional it came a little bit before the 4 West so I was already in a pretty emotional state of mind when that came up but
01:38:11
Speaker
She was like, I'm going to write another book and it's not going to be about this. I'm not going to give these guys the attention. I'm going to write a story about a good man from Woodsboro or something like that.
01:38:23
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And I was just like, that's very beautiful. I'm getting chills thinking about it. Yeah, i I like that. you know His appearance in here was brief, but I love the fact that we had Dewey. You see like he was in a broken state in his life, you know he pulled it together and you know was able to you know go out Not necessarily with a bang, but, you know, he went out and he was doing what he was trying to do best, you know, just protect everybody.
01:39:00
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And then, yeah, you have Gail trying to, you know, find a way to honor him as well. So, like, it felt good knowing, like, okay, yeah, therere they're not together anymore. They are divorced pretty much. At least that's what I'm thinking they are.
01:39:15
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But she still loves him like they had a little connection when they finally came back together. you know, she was trying to say like, you know, i think he had called himself like a coward or something, but she tried to say like, you're many things, but you are not a coward.
01:39:31
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So it's like they still had love for each other, clearly. So I like that she said that at the end, too. I do too. it was They didn't have a lot of screen time together, but ah ah the time they did have together felt very real.
01:39:45
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No one was really to blame in why it didn't work out. it just She wasn't cut out for Woodsboro and he wasn't cut out for New York. yeah and you know you find out that Chad's alive, Mindy's alive, Jenna's alive. like All the important main characters that they just introduced are alive.
01:40:09
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you know Sam gets into the ambulance with Tara, and you know they kind of recreate the ending scene from Scream 1 where you have like the bird's eye view or the crane view of you know, the house and like all the news reporters, someone kind of talking in Gail's place.
01:40:29
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And then you have the the ending title where it says for Wes at the end. So great way to end the film. Yeah, very touching, very beautiful. I i enjoy enjoyed how it all wrapped up.
01:40:43
Speaker
Yeah, so what what are any final thoughts from you on the film itself? No, I think we covered everything. i Great send-off to Wes.
01:40:54
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It seemed like everybody's hearts were in the right place with making this movie. And yeah, I'm excited for Scream 6. I'm going to be going in completely blind.
01:41:06
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this is going to be a bittersweet ending to this series. I've enjoyed how, uh, how it's been going. And I almost wish it was leading right into scream seven, like the 28 movies. Uh, but who knows when scream seven has come out, coming out, we couldn't wait that long. And yeah, I had a lot of fun with this one.
Excitement for Scream 6 and Community Reflection
01:41:26
Speaker
You're definitely going to like the intro of part six. so I already know that. I fucking love the intro. so And it's funny because when I watched it, there was some like there was a big detail that I didn't know about.
01:41:42
Speaker
So after you know watching some other films and then watching this again, I was like, no shit. So you're going to enjoy it. Yeah, but part five... It's one of my favorites within this franchise, I'll say again. um um i love Jenna Ortega. I love Melissa Barrera in here too. i didn't see her in much of anything, but I love her performance in here as well.
01:42:07
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was nervous the first time watching it just because I didn't know who they were going to bring on. as the new main characters and if they were gonna you know hold up to the legacy characters but you know they they held their own they did such a great job in here and yeah i'm i'm just ready to cover the next one now with you because i'm excited for you to watch it I know.
01:42:32
Speaker
I've been so eager. i've been It's been hard not to watch ahead. And it feels nice knowing that I'm not going to have that that stress anymore. i I'm fucking excited to come back next week to do this all over again with you. And I hope the listeners are excited too. because This is, i think, been our strongest run of episodes so far. I have really been having a lot of fun when it comes to the movies and the conversation with you.
01:43:01
Speaker
So I'm ready to wrap this all up next week and get our rankings out there, too. yeah It's going to be fun. like Today, this episode was needed. i feel like this week was rough for everybody.
01:43:15
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we lost Ozzy Osbourne and Hulk
01:43:22
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Hogan. That's definitely hitting a lot of people. and I feel like a lot of our fans can feel that impact too. so you know Being able to come on here Just kind of like detach from the world and, you know, talk about a cool movie with you in a cool franchise on everyone's favorite horror movie podcast. It's it's a really good way just to, you know, wind down and end the day. So I thank you for that, Nicholas.
01:43:51
Speaker
Yeah, I completely agree. And I mean, thank you too for fucking always being here like every week to do this. It's very therapeutic. I've had kind of a rough day too. I've had some health issues going on this week and Yeah, rest in peace Ozzy Osbourne too.
01:44:10
Speaker
NIB was the first song I learned on bass, not the bass solo, but like Ozzy Osbourne, his music's been in my life since I was very young. And yeah, that is a hard loss. But I mean, just like Scream 5 serves as a sendoff for Wes Craven, this will serve as a sendoff to Ozzy Osbourne.
01:44:32
Speaker
Yeah. Rest in peace, Ozzy. Rest in peace, Wes Craven. Two masters at what they did. And rest in peace, Hulk Hogan. Yes, I forgot about Hulk Hogan. Hulk Hogan wasn't in my life as much as ah the other two. mean, he wasn't too much in my life either. I just so remember seeing him in Rocky Balboa, and I know my brother loved him growing up too, so it was still a surprise. But yeah, rest in peace to all three of these legends. And...
01:45:06
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yeah let's just uh keep on trucking don't forget to rate us five stars and comment on our instagram like you know if you guys want like a little shout out like we could start doing like fun little shout outs to you guys we are morbid underscore curiosities underscore pod pod um Yeah, just come on by. Say hi Let us know if you want us to cover any other films. We already got a couple suggestions. So, yeah.
01:45:37
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Just stay tuned, guys. Hell yeah. What she said. weve We've been morbid curiosities. Woo!