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Scream 3
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Join Nicholas and Mercedes as ask themselves for the third time: who is the Ghost Face Killer? They're talking Wes Craven's Scream 3! Written by Ehren Kruger (Top Gun: Maverick, F1). With a new writer, plenty of new additions to the ensemble cast, and a (somewhat) new setting, where did this movie lose audiences? Did they mishandle the old cast? Were the thrills lost for self-aware humor? Listen to see where your Morbid hosts stand! They also give well deserved lip service to Parker Posey and Patrick Dempsey, discuss the unfortunate connection to Harvey Weinstein, and who may be (and may not be) returning for Scream 7. All while wondering: do horror movies hate moms? (see Friday The 13th, Rob Zombie's Halloween, The Babadook, The Exorcist)
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Introduction & Milestones
00:01:12
Speaker
What's up, everybody? We're Morbid Curiosities, your favorite horror movie podcast, bringing you another episode. I'm Nicholas Ewers, and with me is the lightweight champion of the world, the morbid mistress of mayhem herself,
00:01:24
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Mercedes Martinez, how are you doing on this very fine day, Nicholas? I'm doing pretty good, not too bad. i you know I'm enjoying the summer weather, the air. It's been rainy kind of lately.
00:01:39
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Also, like side note for the listeners and for you, Mercedes, i actually didn't say this. Tomorrow, I actually hit two years of sobriety i you know from drinking. so I'm about to celebrate that too.
00:01:56
Speaker
Let's fucking go Hell yeah, dude. I'm proud of you Yeah, so it's pretty nice. I'm at the end of a ah long run. Well, I mean, I'm going to keep going, but ah ah I've hit another milestone, and it feels pretty good. So, yeah, you know, the the celebration hopefully doesn't get buried in the Scream 3 episode. Hopefully people still listen
Scream 3 Overview
00:02:18
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to this. I know this isn't everybody's favorite Scream movie, but, you know, it's a good day.
00:02:25
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And might I say, not a bad movie. you know Thank you for saying that. Thank you. Because i was watching I watched it a few times and then I was watching a lot of reviews on it.
00:02:39
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And people, when they reviewed it before... didn't like it. They you know matured a little bit and then rewatched it and they were like, you know I actually can find more to appreciate in this movie.
00:02:57
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Whereas some of them, they're like, nope, flat out sucks. But I still like this movie. And even now watching it, I could say I like it a lot better than Scream 2, which is funny because back in the day, and was the opposite.
00:03:13
Speaker
But yeah, I'm glad you I'm glad you. Well, before I say enjoyed it, let's hear more of what you have to say on the film. Before I get into it, I do want to hear you ah ah kind of go into this a bit more. You like it more than Scream 2. I don't quite feel that strongly about Scream 3, but Scream 3 is one that's really kind of stuck with me, but so this surpasses Scream 2 for you, really.
00:03:41
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It does for some fucking reason. I think it's just because... It's more comical. And, you know, with Scream and Scream 2, you have more of those, like the dark despair moods because, you know, there's a killer out there. They're all being targeted.
00:04:03
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and you see a lot of the the blood and lack of gore, I would say, but, you know, the implied goriness in there. Whereas here it's just more so implied.
00:04:16
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you have goofy characters. You have cool setting in the final act. And i don't know, just it just it just it works for me.
00:04:31
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it It really does. So yes, it it's that it's a better pick for me to watch this than to watch Scream 2. That's interesting. I can appreciate that, though. That's a hot take, and I always appreciate a hot take. That's one that I think not a lot of, like, you know, that's probably not common consensus. I think people put this at the bottom, but I mean, hell yeah, Scream 3, love. I'm about to sing a lot of this movie's praise, too, throughout the episode.
Script Changes & Quality
00:05:00
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But I think one thing you can really point to in particular is this movie has a personality that the other two don't. It's got an interesting set of characters that it really brings in and gets to play with and have fun with.
00:05:16
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I will argue that I feel like this movie doesn't quite know what to do with most of the returning cast, if not all of the returning cast. And we'll get into that a little bit more because I have an explanation behind why Sydney particularly feels that way.
00:05:35
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But yeah, i I kind of love that you like this more than Scream 2. I'm excited to see how you feel about the other ones coming up. This one for me, though, I'm...
00:05:49
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Yeah, I'm aware that it's like maybe it's the weakest in this trilogy, I think, at least on a script level. Kevin Williamson didn't come back.
00:06:00
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You can feel it in the script a bit. he ah This guy, Aaron Kruger, who actually wrote F1, which is in theaters right now, and Top Gun Maverick a couple years ago,
00:06:13
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I think that's pretty cool. It does seem a little bit like Hollywood nepotism, though, like since Wes Craven like worked with his dad, Freddy Krueger, couple decades prior.
00:06:25
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But that's a joke that didn't i get any reaction from Mercedes. I laughed. I smiled. My bad. It's hard to tell. it was My bad. It was just crickets. No, it's... I'm going i'm go put crickets there. and kick
00:06:46
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My energy drink isn't working right now. I'm just drinking it to drink it and I didn't have time to unmute my mic. But I found that amusing. Thank you for throwing that in there.
00:06:57
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There's a lot of things this movie does that I don't think it would have done if ke Kevin Williamson was writing it. And I don't know what the deal was behind him not coming back for this one.
00:07:09
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I know they rushed them all into production and I think he was a pretty busy guy that wrote a lot of other stuff because from what I was looking up, he wrote I Know What You Did Last Summer the same year, I think, that he wrote Scream 2.
00:07:23
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So he might have had something else going on around this time. All of that said, you know, the the criticism I had to throw out there...
00:07:35
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I really enjoyed this. I had a great time with this movie. The fact that these movies are kind of like horror whodunits, and you spend the whole time wondering, is it this guy?
00:07:47
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Is it this guy? And without spoiling it just yet, I fell right into what this movie wanted me to fall into with my theories and stuff, because I listened to a bit of the commentary, and I'm like, oh, they wanted me to think the stuff that I thought throughout this movie. It wasn't like...
00:08:04
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number two, where I had my own hunches and I felt like they were pretty justified. This one, I was like, damn, hook, line, and sinker. They got me. But that's what I kind of love about these movies, where it feels like it could really be anyone. Even the main characters, like the the core people from the last movie,
00:08:25
Speaker
I don't fully love that this leans into the tropes of the end of a trilogy, because... a lot of trilogies don't end that well, so it seems like they're kind of drawing comparisons to almost be like, you forgive us, please. you know It's hard to write a third movie. We'll point to other movies to kind of show you and make fun of the fact that we're doing what the other movies are doing to an extent.
00:08:54
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It feels like it's trying to let them off the hook, and I don't want to let them off the hook, Yeah, I just I have a blast. I don't really see myself. I don't know how they are after this one.
00:09:04
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I don't know if they change, but if they keep the mystery going, I don't see myself having a bad time with these movies anytime soon. I love this mystery whodunit slasher element. It's not really like I've seen the ripoffs. I want to say Happy Death Day is very similar, but Scream does it in such a fun way.
00:09:25
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I'm glad you're enjoying the ride and i I'm certain you're going to enjoy the next few films. Spoilers ahead, guys, because I feel like I'm just going to start dropping scenes out here and there.
00:09:40
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Anything you else you want to point out before we jump right in? Nah, everything will come out as we're talking any praise or any criticism. Where do you want to start off with this one? Is there anything you really like that you want to throw out there? Anything you didn't like?
00:09:56
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I don't know. It's going to sound weird just to like jump right into this detail, but I want to talk about the wardrobe selection they have in this scene. Or not in the scene, in the movie itself. They look pretty nice. Everybody's, i mean, Parker Posey especially, she's looking, like I love every outfit she has in this movie.
00:10:18
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Oh my God. i Her outfits, I wanted to rip my eyeballs out just because of how vibrant and colorful they were. No, no, that's that's way too much. It feels like she is every Scooby-Doo character kind of like She has the fashion sense of a Scooby-Doo character, and I kind of love it.
00:10:42
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This movie is very Scooby-Doo, actually. Not to go off from the wardrobe you wanted to talk about, but this movie is very Scooby-Doo. No, I could see that.
00:10:52
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Yeah, her clothes in particular were interesting. Yeah. And I think it was cool just because like how, you know, Neve Campbell, she had a lot of scheduling conflicts, I believe, when making this film. So she was only available for about like a few weeks, like maybe 20 days or so. And you feel it in the script. It feels like they really don't know where to put her in this. And they're just like, we just got to sprinkle her in and save her for the end. But it does feel like you feel the restriction of her time constraint. Yeah, exactly.
Character Dynamics & Development
00:11:31
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Because when you first when I first watched it, I was confused. Like, why are they only showing her in a few scenes? Why are we just following Dewey and Gale around for the most part? Like it made no sense to me now. I obviously understand it more.
00:11:48
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But yeah, with her, she she's still wearing the same exact colors as she did from the second one. She has like green shirts. She has like a brown jacket. Her hair is amazing.
00:12:03
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the tiniest bit longer and she's even wearing the greek letter necklace that uh derek r.i.p uh that derek gave her in the second one that's a good detail i didn't notice that yeah she she's still wearing that and i forgot which movie review it was, but someone said, you know, her dressing like that just kind of shows she still hasn't really moved on from the events that happened in part two. I mean, even so with just wearing that necklace, that was like the best guy that she did date.
00:12:39
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I don't know if she dated any other guys outside of Derek and Billy Loomis, but Yeah, she's she's still holding on to him and his memory. So I love that detail that she's wearing that throughout here.
00:12:52
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And how even in part two, she was able to use it like as a weapon. Even in the times that she wasn't wearing that she was wearing like a tie dye type of shirt. Did you ever have a tie dye shirt?
00:13:04
Speaker
Don't you have tie dye shirts now? yeah I was wearing a purple tie-dye shirt yesterday with a Shin and Godzilla blowing a big atomic breath out. yeah it I'll wear a tie-dye. I have a blue Jaws tie-dye.
00:13:19
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i have a white and gray Jurassic Park tie-dye. yeah was like i swear I've seen you with some tie-dye shirts too. I have a red Goosebumps tie-dye. I never saw that one.
00:13:31
Speaker
You got to wear it next time. Yeah, when we podcast, remind me. I'll try to to ah schedule it so you can see it. It's a pretty cool one. It's nice and sturdy. I like it a lot. Shout out to Cavity Color.
00:13:42
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They make all of these tie-dye shirts that I get. Hell yeah, hell yeah. I'm going to have to look on their website more. because I think I've seen a few tie-dye shirts on there, but I wasn't a fan of them.
00:13:54
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But yeah, anyway... anyway... ah Then you have Gail Weathers in here, Courtney Cox. She's back to wearing her fucking bright-ass highlighter colors, literally.
00:14:07
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Well, first she starts off in a red dress, but then in the scene where she's kind of like undercover going back to her roots in the studio Stab 3, she has this bright-ass yellow suit on.
00:14:24
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And it looks fucking ridiculous. And you can even see during that scene, she's getting kind of annoyed that people are recognizing her, which also bothers me so much about her character because she wants to report the news. She wants to have like the hot story with everything.
00:14:46
Speaker
But when people actually give her that attention, she could care less about them. Like they're they're beneath her. It doesn't line up with her what she sang in the beginning either when she was like, if you do this and you do that, that's how you get the blah, the blah. And she finishes it off with end the fame.
00:15:06
Speaker
And that's that right there is when I actually looked it up. I was like, this... has to be a different writer i was like that's such a bad line and that kind of makes me feel like this person doesn't understand gail weathers because gail weathers i don't think would be openly telling people that she's seeking out fame she usually kind of presents herself as a genuine journalist wanting to get down to the story and it It doesn't feel like this movie understands Gale or Dewey or what the audience wants out of these characters at this point.
00:15:43
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Her character changed a lot in here. like In the second one, she was really you know working with Dewey a lot to try to figure out who the killer was in there.
00:15:55
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and Even with that one, when... um um the Mrs. Loomis, uh, who, crap, I cannot talk. Uh, when Mrs. Loomis, uh, went before she knew who she was, would go talk to Gail as a reporter, seemed like a big fan of hers. And then Gail was just like snubbing her like, yeah, you know, like,
00:16:18
Speaker
Here's my tiny quote. Get away from me now. And then in here, you have Parker Posey's character, Jennifer, fucking running up to Gail in that neon green fucking suit. And her hair looks very similar to Gail's and how it did in the first one.
00:16:39
Speaker
and it just made me laugh at how their interactions were throughout the film because she just seemed like... that little sister that wanted to tag along with her big sister all the time.
00:16:51
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and thankfully, outside of the that scene alone, it didn't show her mimicking Gail in the wardrobe um aspect. You kind of think that might happen, but it doesn't.
00:17:06
Speaker
Only in that scene. But you do see them using their pseudonyms a lot. you know So they do play on that a lot, which... yeah Yeah.
00:17:18
Speaker
It's like hit or miss with that one. One thing that I do enjoy about Parker Posey's character actually is it seems like she, as the movie goes along, when Gail kind of starts to get on board with Parker Posey, she is almost, I don't know if you've seen the movie May, December with Natalie Portman and Julianne Moore, but Natalie Portman is kind of living with Julianne Moore and studying her because she's playing her in a a role for like a lifetime TV movie or something.
00:17:50
Speaker
And it's a very good movie. But I was getting real May December vibes when they were tagging along. And when they meet, I think it's when they meet Carrie Fisher, and she's like, are you not going to let Gail Weathers get through or something like that?
00:18:05
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I'm like, part of me feels like she's also referring to herself as Gail Weathers, and she's tagging along, learning about the character, getting in character still.
00:18:18
Speaker
And ah ah I kind of adored that a little bit. She was the hardest loss, I think, in the movie, because it just means we're not going to get more Parker Posey again.
00:18:28
Speaker
i really... I was delighted by her being in this thing. She's probably the best addition. Her and Patrick Dempsey, I was a big fan of. Yeah, I agree on that.
00:18:40
Speaker
And it was just funny because, you know, Gail's character, especially in the first one, she's supposed to be kind of like, you know, very hard-edged. She just is just out to like...
00:18:55
Speaker
for her own personal gain. and you can see that in the makeup that she wears, just even with the clothes that she was wearing too. and And Parker Posey, she just looks so juvenile, like next to Gail Weathers. She just, the way her hair just kind of, she just kind of brushes it. However, and then the clothes that she wears that you seem to be a fan of, it's it was just amusing to see her act out like you know she like how you're saying you know she was kind of learning how gail was and just kind of impersonating her a little bit but i still got the little sister and she almost seemed a little juvenile while doing it yeah exactly little sister type of thing yeah yeah exactly so now that you point that out i mean i guess i can kind of like your character i are you not a fan of parker posey in this
00:19:51
Speaker
When I first watched it and even now, no, I wasn't. Because... who Whoa. I didn't expect that. I thought we were both going to be talking this whole episode about how much we both love Parker Posey.
00:20:07
Speaker
And now I'm realizing that's not what this is going to be. Well, no, because i i saw her in here. i hadn't watched this movie and However long, but the only other movie that I know she's in is Josie and the Pussycats and she plays like the villain in there.
00:20:26
Speaker
so Great movie. I love Josie and Pussycats. She's in Dazed and Confused. She's in Thelma that recently came out. Yeah, I forgot about her. Kicking and Screaming.
00:20:39
Speaker
You've Got Mail. She was in Bo Is Afraid a couple years ago, the last Ari Aster movie. She did this Koganada movie, Columbus. I mean, that's a good filmography. I got to start.
00:20:54
Speaker
Parker Posey is now on my radar more than she's ever been. And I got to start watching these movies as Parker Posey movies now. Okay, yeah, I forgot she was in Dazed and Confused, and I liked her in there because of how much of a bitch she was.
00:21:10
Speaker
She's great. She is. That whole cast, the more you just discover who's in that movie, you're like, oh, yeah, that guy or that gal was in this thing. Shout out to Richard Linklater. Yeah.
00:21:21
Speaker
Hell yeah. But forgetting about that movie, you know I only saw remembered her from Josie's film and hated her in there. just I hated her character. I was like, why are you such a fucking idiot in here? But her acting is good because she makes me hate her.
00:21:40
Speaker
And then in this one, i don't know. I think just like her little sister vibes turn me off. But it at the same time, it's like... Am I like that because I'm the youngest out of my siblings, so it kind of rubs me the wrong way? i don't want to be the annoying little sister here, so maybe that's what was clouding my judgment on Parker Posey in here.
00:22:03
Speaker
Well, luckily, i don't think they were. We're reading it as Little Sister, which I don't think is an incorrect read. I think there is a lot of that in there.
00:22:15
Speaker
What I think they're going for is the petulant actor type, where it's just somebody who can't do anything for themselves because she's really leaning on Dewey and a whole bunch of other people this whole time.
00:22:30
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And even with, back to the wardrobe really quick, and then we can go on to another fact. I noticed that one of the death scenes was similar to two other death scenes from the first two movies. So Jenny McCarthy, who plays Sarah Darling in here, she's playing a character named Candy in the Stab 3 movie. and And she gets killed.
00:22:57
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killed Second, what she was wearing, she had like khaki pants on and a purplish blouse, and that resembled Sarah Michelle Gellar's wardrobe choice in part two.
00:23:13
Speaker
Had on khaki-looking pants and purple-pink type of blouse. and Even the way she was stabbed and killed, kind of was like Rose McGowan in the first one where, you know, once she was crushed by the garage, you just see her like hanging over in the garage door. And in this one, she gets stabbed and then she's just hanging over like this door window. So there were Just random little similarities I was finding. it was
00:23:46
Speaker
they Those are kind of like dumb details, but those are things that were like pointing out to me a lot. It does make me wonder if Candy's role within the STAB movies are supposed to be an amalgamation of those two characters that you mentioned.
00:24:03
Speaker
I'm not too sure. I do also really like that the framing of this whole thing is around the production of Stab 3. I don't think we've mentioned that yet for the listeners.
00:24:16
Speaker
But it's a really new and fun angle. But yeah, I do wonder if she's... some kind kind of like combination of different people that survived or not survived, died throughout the events of the past like two movies.
00:24:32
Speaker
I don't quite know what STAB 3 is. I think that was just them making their joke, oh, it's a movie within a movie, because they were trying to replicate you know Stu's house and Sidney's house.
00:24:52
Speaker
They were even having ah Cotton Weary do a cameo in there, so they didn't exactly explain what the plot was supposed to be, but I think it was just for the audience ourselves just to be like, Like, oh, yeah, they're going back to the original and blah, blah, blah.
00:25:09
Speaker
Oh, no, I got that. But I was more so saying I don't understand what STAB 3 is supposed to be as a movie. so Because they're out to see stat the first STAB movie, I think, in Scream 2.
00:25:24
Speaker
And it pretty much looks like the first STAB movie is maybe... I mean, it's the events of What's Her Face dying at the beginning, and then it's some parts of the events of the first movie, but then Stab 3 also seems like it's the events of the first movie because the first movie is the only one that takes place in Woodborough on that street.
00:25:52
Speaker
The sequel is at Scream 2, everything after the first movie is at the college. So I was stressed... kind of struggling with what is stab three is a movie. What is happening here? If they already did like the events of the first movie in the first stab movie, we don't have to get that into it, but I was just thrown off a little bit.
00:26:14
Speaker
No, that makes sense because you know you have Stab and that's basically copying what Scream was in the movie Scream 2.
00:26:25
Speaker
So then realistically, Stab 2 would be covering what? Scream 2? And then i'm Stab 3? I find it weird that it's Stab 3 in Scream 3. It should be Stab 2.
00:26:40
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. So they just kind of like skipped over that. So no, that's a good detail. And even so with Parker Posey, she's dressing like how Gail Weathers was dressing in Scream, the original.
00:26:57
Speaker
And you even have Dewey's character. don't know his name off the top of my head, but he's in his sheriff costume. So yeah, they're pretty much mimicking everything that happened in the original Scream film. i assume I kind of hope the STAB movies continue being things into the sequels, but I also wouldn't be surprised if they dropped STAB after Scream 3.
00:27:23
Speaker
You have more insight into that than I do, but I would be okay if they're done with the STAB movies. Well, we'll get into those later. we We have an interesting cast, like you were saying.
00:27:36
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we you know In the beginning, you have Cotton Weary, 100% cotton star guy, whatever. Yeah. he He's bitchy. That was pretty funny.
00:27:49
Speaker
Yeah, it was. was. um He is killed off right away, too. and I think they were trying to with writing this, they were like, oh, yeah, let's bring back, you know, a quote unquote legacy character just so we can kill him off. He's not going to be, you know, a character throughout this film. Yeah, I was watching a bit of the commentary and they were talking about the fact that they had, it wasn't originally going to be Cotton and it seemed like they had a lot of issues with the intro. They re-shot it a couple times.
00:28:23
Speaker
There's two shots of Liev Schreiber that are actually from a different like time from the rest of everything else.
Plot Critiques & Continuity Issues
00:28:33
Speaker
Uh, one of them is leave Schreiber when he's on the ground. I think that was shot like weeks or months before the rest of the footage in that scene.
00:28:43
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But I gotta say when I saw cotton show up at the beginning, at first I was like, fuck, like we're beginning it with this guy, but I'm kind of glad that he didn't stick around that much longer. uh,
00:28:57
Speaker
It did get a little... It felt like they didn't know what to do there in the beginning, and it kind of feels like... the It's an interesting setup, because he's looking the killer's looking for Sidney at that point, so that makes sense.
00:29:14
Speaker
I get why the killer's looking for Sidney. I get why he would go for Cotton narratively. i don't fully get the rest of the kills after Cotton. We'll get into that more when we talk about who the killer is.
00:29:27
Speaker
but Yeah, that Cotton intro, I was happy to see him go. Yeah, again, he he wasn't my favorite character in these films. And then even just, I don't know, I i don't see a lot of emotion cov coming from Liev Schreiber because if you come home knowing or after receiving basically a death threat to your girlfriend and you come home,
00:29:57
Speaker
You're to panicking. You're going be like anxious as fuck. You're trying to just like hurry up and maneuver around the house, obviously being careful. But even when he gets home and he sees like the the knife holes in the door where Ghostface was trying to like break into the room where his girlfriend was at, he just gives like a very calm, oh, shit moment. He didn't look panicked at all. Yeah, I think it's relatively like
00:30:31
Speaker
poorly like staged and pretty poorly acted from Liev Schreiber's part, as you were saying. I didn't find his line deliveries, to piggyback off of what you were saying, i didn't find his line deliveries to be too believable. And when he gets struck by the golf club,
00:30:50
Speaker
it I didn't find the fact that he would be able to even get out words that believable. It was kind of just a very odd, more feeling death than...
00:31:02
Speaker
feeling death then A lot of the other deaths in these movies, it just felt kind of off to me. And then, too, this is like the first little sprinkle of Creed in the movie.
00:31:16
Speaker
And it almost feels like when you hear Creed's What If playing, it feels like the producer looking over Aaron Kruger's, just like breathing over his back, being like... Creed is popular right now, right in a Creed song playing right here. That's the song that needs to turn off. And we're going to have a poster later because it's like the fucking wind-up records or whatever must have paid money to get Creed all over this thing. I don't know. It's ridiculous. But it's very weird intro, I think. Yeah, I i agree on that. Like, his kill scene and even his girlfriend, it was...
00:31:57
Speaker
yeah It could have been more eventful. But after them, get Sydney, we get Neve Campbell's character. You see she's essentially barricading herself up in the woods with her dog. She's turned over new leaf, essentially. She's a women's crisis counselor.
00:32:21
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So I thought that was cool. You know, she's one of those people that is using her trauma to help other people who may be going through the same thing or other situations.
00:32:33
Speaker
It's kind of like Halloween H2O. I think that's the correct Halloween one, but it reminds me of Jamie Lee Curtis a little bit. Yeah. You see her, she's, you know, just isolating herself. Even her dad, when he does make a comeback in here for his one scene, he tells her, you know, he's a little worried about her just because she is...
00:32:56
Speaker
all the way up there by herself. And she's not even giving out her real name to her job, which is a smart thing to do. it sucks because I wish we did get more of Neve Campbell in here. I like that they show that, you know, she is trying to live a life very guarded and secluded, but it didn't do this movie justice not having her in it as much I get scheduling conflicts and everything but you like you said you feel her lack of presence in here very strongly
00:33:28
Speaker
It is pretty unfortunate that the studio insisted on rushing all three of these movies into production and getting them out. I think it came out like 1996, 1997, 1998. I
00:33:42
Speaker
actually know that's not correct. Scream 3 came out in 2000. So it had a little bit more time than Scream 2 had. But it still feels like... It was a movie that needed a little bit more time to cook. Neve Campbell having scheduling issues.
00:33:59
Speaker
There is a lack of her, and a lot of her involvement in the movie is really just retreading territory from the first one. It's a lot of like ghostly apparitions that we think They kind of make you think it's actually going to mean something, but it turns out to just really be dreams. There's no actual supernatural element to any of this.
00:34:23
Speaker
And then on top of that, I feel like the screenplay really just fumbles Dewey and Gale, and it really... resets them back to where they were in Scream 2. These movies insist on making Gale the not-likable character, and hopefully they corrected that in the sequels a little bit, or at least in Scream 4, the one that I'm pretty sure she comes back for. i don't know if she's in 5 or 6,
00:34:52
Speaker
but just feels so annoying every time it's like, oh, we the other characters have to work to like her now or she has to work to get on board with the other characters.
00:35:05
Speaker
Why not let her be more of a likable person in these exchanges and not make us us and everyone else struggle with her? pet for the first hour. and yeah it just It doesn't seem like it knew what to do with these characters, but it does a good job with the new ones, I'll say. Yeah, it does. and To piggyback off of what you said for Gale, it is a little refreshing because Yes, she is basically made out to be the villain amongst the victims here.
00:35:41
Speaker
But you have a change of pace here because we get Patrick Dempsey in here as a Detective Mark Kincaid. And he actually... Not confides, but he wants to work with Gail because he knows that she has history with the Woodsboro murders, with Sidney Prescott, with Cotton Weary. So he's trying to figure out like, okay, well, let me use her as an ally or an asset basically to try to figure out who's starting these murders out here.
00:36:14
Speaker
So it was cool because whenever anyone was like, trying to get Gail away or offset. Well, she was kicked offset when she was in the studio.
00:36:25
Speaker
But when they were in like the little... office of the studio, I guess. His partner, I guess, was kind of like brushing her off like, okay, this is a police investigation.
00:36:40
Speaker
and you know, Patrick Dempsey, he does come to her rescue. Like, oh, you know, Gail Weathers is working with me. And he kind of just like rolls his eyes at it. So it was cool because at least he trusted her and like it wasn't as he wasn't as mean to her as everyone else was, you know. So it was it was a good outlook to see that finally.
00:37:04
Speaker
Yeah, i really... i mean, I like pictured pictured ah Patrick Dempsey's interactions with all of the characters, but I think what you're saying is mostly to the credit of Patrick Dempsey as an actor and the charisma he kind of brings.
00:37:22
Speaker
You like him, and by default, you kind of just like everybody who's on screen with him and everybody who his characters are giving attention to. I feel like I will say right now, Patrick Dempsey was someone who I was convinced was the killer multiple times. And I like by the end of it before the reveal, I was like, it's got to be him.
00:37:46
Speaker
There was a sign where it said I am the killer behind him multiple times when we're in his office. And I was like, this feels like a fucking like they're putting it in front of you. So you'll be like, no, it's too obvious. It's not him. But it ends up being him.
00:38:06
Speaker
And I mean, there's even a scene where Sidney is in his office and she gets a phone call. And at first it's her voice. And then she like steps out into the hallway and it looks like there's a detective in the background who's out of focus.
00:38:22
Speaker
It looks like he's on the phone. I'm pretty sure he is. And it looks like his mouth is moving every time Ghostface's mouth is moving. And I was like, is every detective in on this? What is happening here? And so I was so convinced that seemed purposeful, though. I didn't pay attention to that part to that part in the commentary.
00:38:41
Speaker
But I feel like that was like purposeful. That also showed me too, I've either seen bits and pieces of this movie or Scream took that from a different movie.
00:38:53
Speaker
Because I've had that feeling with another movie. That same exact thing where like, that person in the background is on the phone. He's the person you're talking to on the phone. Damn, i I don't think I ever suspected him of being the killer, even towards the end when I first watched it. Not even when it said, I am the killer behind him? No.
00:39:15
Speaker
I think I just liked his character in here so much. and He's so likable.
Discussion on the Killer & Final Fight
00:39:19
Speaker
That's why I thought it had to be him. i was like, it's got to be the most likable guy because the other two movies didn't pick anybody who's really like all that likable, I'd say.
00:39:31
Speaker
I don't know. It just, it never occurred to me that he could be a killer. I saw that they were trying to make him seem a little bit suspicious on certain scenes or in certain scenes. Wes Craven said that they tried to make him and Emily Mortimer, Angelina, her character their characters.
00:39:52
Speaker
He tried to plant it it in the movie, like to plant it in the audience's head that they were the characters at multiple points. And I felt right for it because those were the two who I thought were the characters like most of the movie.
00:40:04
Speaker
I was team, I almost said Patrick Sweezy. I'm team Patrick Dempsey in here. But I thought it was strange how right away people were able to pick up on you know this little love interest that he had with Sidney Prescott in here.
00:40:22
Speaker
i i remember vaguely seeing this movie when it came out in theaters with my siblings and and my sister said oh he likes sydney and i was like wait what how do you fucking know that he said nice to meet you so go like watching other films it does i guess you can kind of see that he has like a little that there was a little love interest but did you pick up on that or anything like that from here No, I didn't.
00:40:55
Speaker
I mean, I could get what you're saying. I thought he was just like, I'm charming detective guy. I come in, I got a, you know, Bradley Cooper type of vibe when I walk in the room. I'm fucking hot.
00:41:08
Speaker
And I like make everybody feel safe and comfortable. And I felt like that's why he had to be the bad guy. Because it's just everybody. had such a warm touch. He was like an authority figure you feel like you can trust.
00:41:23
Speaker
The fact that everyone else in the world seemed to catch on, that there was a little spark between them. i don't know. I guess I was the only one and who wasn't on that boat with them.
00:41:34
Speaker
but i mean, narratively, they don't really push anything relationship-wise with them. I don't feel like they really get close to a kiss or anything. They don't. They have one moment where they're alone together and It's not romantic in any sort of way. They are talking about, you know, the case. They're talking about movie trilogies. They're talking about her mom.
00:42:00
Speaker
And you see Patrick Dempsey. he He kind of like leans on his hand while he's listening to Sydney. but That's the fucking actor charm, man. That's Patrick Dempsey fucking working the audience. He's making you fall in love with him.
00:42:20
Speaker
it's It's the hair that does it for me. He's hot. I wish I looked like him, honestly. I mean, just cut your hair that short and you can have a blowout and you can look like him. I mean, maybe. I'm considering it now. I'll try and go for a Patrick Dempsey look, maybe.
00:42:39
Speaker
That Bradley Cooper from The Hangover, I kind of liked that. like They kind of have a similar look in my opinion. Yeah. I get you. I get you. But yeah, even in that scene, when he's listening to her, he there's like a second, literally a second that passes between them where they don't speak and they're just looking at each other.
00:43:01
Speaker
and he's kind of smiling a little bit, but it was because he was saying, you know, You know who your mother was to you. and it was when Sydney was saying, you know, I don't I never knew actually who my mother was just because of all the secrets she had.
00:43:17
Speaker
So it's like even in that moment, it didn't feel like any type of romantic spark was there. Yeah, that's not really a line you really flirt on. you know like Deceased mom's not really the like most romantic topic if you're trying to take someone on a first date.
00:43:36
Speaker
Maybe date three. And like after their initial meeting, you even see they they were all driving to the studio. That way, Sydney can see where all the photos were taken.
00:43:49
Speaker
Some context on that every time there's a murder, the killer in this film leaves a picture of a woman behind. And then they end up finding out because of Gail that all those pictures are of Maureen Prescott, Sydney's mom.
00:44:06
Speaker
So they want to go see where those photos were taken. and you see, what's his name? ah Patrick Dempsey's character. i was gonna I couldn't remember his name in here.
00:44:18
Speaker
name. You got lost in the thought of his eyes. You were like, oh, Dempsey. I mean, Patrick Dempsey. Patrick Hottie. I mean, Dempsey. Hey, man, you're over here saying all these things, too. So I'm not alone in that boat.
00:44:32
Speaker
Hey, I know. I'm agreeing with you. I'm waving the flag right there with you at the top of Dempsey Mountain, planting it right there. What was it? So yeah, his partner, I love his partner. He's such a smart ass in here. Yeah, he's like, and got stabbed and he was making a movie Stab, right?
00:44:54
Speaker
And so he's got a good point. he He was funny. He's such a fucking dick. But he even mentions to Kincaid, you know, like, yeah, I know where you're going. You're going to get her flowers and candy. So he was even implying that Patrick Dempsey liked Sydney in here. So I guess that's that's a thing. And, you know...
00:45:16
Speaker
I mean, he could just be a police officer who fucks, you know, that might just be his thing. He's like, I'm a cop and I fuck. That's what I do. It's not professional, maybe not be legal, but it's what I do. It's my thing. I'm a hot cop.
00:45:31
Speaker
I mean, there's an inkling, not an inkling, a little bit of a storyline that'll continue on with that. So we'll, I'll just leave it at that not spoil anything for you. I'm intrigued. I'm so ready for Scream 4. You can't believe it. I almost watched it yesterday.
00:45:48
Speaker
and i was like, let me... I try to go into these reviews blind. This is the hardest to do that for because I always want to put on the next one because I'm like, I love a fucking murder mystery, man. i didn't know these things were made for me.
00:46:02
Speaker
I'm like, there's three murder mysteries that I can watch right now that I'm not watching because I got to be patient. Yeah. No, dude, I wanted to watch Scream 3 right after we watched Scream.
00:46:15
Speaker
And then when I was supposed to watch Scream 3, I wanted to put on Scream 4. So i'm I'm jumping the gun too. yeah scream 4 i'm just so hyped since that's like that and scream 5 i have no idea what the fuck this franchise becomes but i'm stoked on it uh what were we talking about now i got lost in patrick dempsey's eyes
00:46:40
Speaker
us scott foley we haven't talked about him much the producer Oh yeah, okay, take the lead on that. Or the director. Scott Foley was relatively anonymous to me in the movie.
00:46:53
Speaker
When he's revealed to be the character, I was a little, or not the character, geez. When he was revealed to be the killer at the end of this, I was kind of bummed for a couple of reasons.
00:47:06
Speaker
I was bummed because of the person they chose. I was bummed because of the reason they picked him. And I was also bummed because there were moments where I was like, holy fuck, Ghostface everywhere. are there three of him?
00:47:20
Speaker
And the fact that they went down to one, i almost found that a little hard to believe because Ghostface feels like he's all over the place in this movie. And I know he's going through sets and not actual houses, but he's still very quick.
00:47:34
Speaker
Yeah, seriously. And I was watching The Kill Count on YouTube to follow up with or like follow along with these films. If you hear my door open, that's my little demon entering the room.
00:47:47
Speaker
she She's a little lonely right now. but Yeah, I heard it. I heard a creak. Shout out. Something's about to happen. Yeah.
00:47:58
Speaker
Shout out to Evie, guys. I should get her a ghost face mask and just have her prance around the house with it and we can record it and put it on the page. All year long. Yes. 24-7 feed of face Evie.
00:48:11
Speaker
twenty four seven feet of ghost a cv Like you guys say you never seen a ghost before. Who's this? And just see her like run around the room with it on. um But what was it? So yeah, for the kill count, he, James A. Janice, he was talking on there saying like, then we meet this one character who, whose back is facing the camera.
00:48:35
Speaker
So he's talking. Well, yes, his back is towards the camera. So it's like, wait, wait, we're meeting ah ah and essential character here. Why why is his intro like that? And then you really don't see him throughout the rest of the film. And when you do, he is just bitching about everything. he He was bitching about the film being canceled. Okay, understandable.
00:49:01
Speaker
was his introduction in here. Then when Sarah Darling died, he was on the set with everybody. and he was still bitching about not having a movie.
00:49:11
Speaker
Then they show him with John Milton his office, and he's bitching about the movie. So every time when he was brought back on scene when I first watched it, i was just like, oh, yeah, this why did they keep bringing this guy in here? Like, who the fuck is he? I don't even know if it clicked in my head because I was so young when I watched it.
00:49:33
Speaker
if this guy was the killer, I still was really bad at pinpointing who the killer was. but when they did reveal it was him and saying, Oh, it's because I'm your brother.
00:49:47
Speaker
That was the biggest fucking letdown ever because Sydney never met this guy. She doesn't know who the fuck he is. at least with every other reveal, she knew who it was and she was just like, damn, that's a slap in the face. Like it was my boyfriend. It was my friend.
00:50:02
Speaker
It was my friend here who I thought was my friend. And I ended up killing my own boyfriend here. And then I find out it's my ex-boyfriend's mom. All these other killers she knew and had like some type of,
00:50:14
Speaker
either attachment or just some type of relationship with at some point. This one, she doesn't know who it is so it wasn't as great of a reveal as it could have been.
00:50:26
Speaker
Yeah, I agree. To one point that you made, actually, with him bitching, it kind of made me think right now, is he supposed to be playing Wes Craven? And is this how Wes Craven behaves on set and in the executive's office offices? Is he just constantly yelling and being a big baby?
00:50:46
Speaker
I doubt it. And rest in peace, Wes Craven. I'm just kidding. i bet... He seems like a very nice guy from the commentaries. He seems very well-spoken and seems very gracious.
00:51:00
Speaker
but Yeah, a lot of people seem to like him, and they obviously wanted to work with him a lot, too. so yeah and he seems to have a good sense of humor about himself as well, too.
00:51:11
Speaker
I agree with you on being relatively underwhelmed by the killer choice. So the movie is regularly commenting on a thing that a lot of third entries in movies do where, yeah, it has to tie in to the first movie.
00:51:32
Speaker
And a lot of the times it feels pretty clunky in the ways they do it. I get making things come full circle. Like good example of that.
00:51:43
Speaker
Toy Story 3. I think it has like a perfect ending. They didn't necessarily need to continue it. A lot of people like Toy Story 4 or whatever. I love Toy Story 3. It ends with Andy adult Andy playing with the toys. Andy's not all over the movie.
00:51:58
Speaker
It's not really like a full on recreation of the first movie. The whole point is, yeah, we have to get back to Andy. That's the point of Toy Story 2 also. So it's not it's not hitting beats that the first movie hit like a lot of third movies feel the need to do now where they're like, we have to pay homage.
00:52:20
Speaker
But A way that it's kind of clunky that I feel that came to mind was The Dark Knight Rises, where, spoilers for that, they bring back... Ra's al Ghul's daughter was behind it all, and Bane is attached to Ra's al Ghul and the League of Shadows and all of that, and Batman goes to the pit that Bane and, like...
00:52:45
Speaker
Ra's al Ghul like survived or whatever I haven't seen the movie in a while but and it's very clunky and I feel like that weighs down the Dark Knight Rises and this movie ah ah leans in to kind of the worst elements of that I'd say with Scott Foley his Roman character being Sidney's sister and him having done it him having been behind it the whole time. It's a real Emperor Palpatine in the Rise of Skywalker situation, except we have never met Roman as a character before. It kind of just really comes out of nowhere.
00:53:25
Speaker
I don't know if they had mentioned some type of part about that maybe in the first. I would even be you know gracious enough to say the second one.
00:53:38
Speaker
like You find out that her mom was, I can't even say married before. you know She was really serious with someone before, even though you do know and hear He, Roman's a rape baby, essentially.
00:53:54
Speaker
if I'm allowed to say that, I don't even know. But yeah, you find out that he Maureen had him because she was raped while in Hollywood. And if there was something where they can kind of lead into like, yeah, you know, your mom, um to Sydney, obviously, your mom had like a relation with this guy for so long, blah, blah, blah.
00:54:15
Speaker
to kind of lean towards the fact that, you know, she might have had another kid. Maybe this reveal would have been better, but again, it wouldn't make sense just with the direction of how this film played out.
00:54:28
Speaker
And with their fight scene at the end, i like it. i like that it's just, I don't know, like it just seems like more of a,
00:54:42
Speaker
I would say a tame fight because in you know the first one, you got Billy and Stu stabbing each other, so you're just like, damn, that's pretty fucked up. and Then they pull out their gun, and then they're just going crazy like on each other.
00:54:57
Speaker
In the second one, you have... Sidney like dropping all the fucking bricks on Billy Loomis's mom they're shooting Mickey and everything and this one they're throwing vases at each other and like he's kicking the shit out of Sidney so I don't know if that was supposed to be oh you know this is more of a sibling type of rivalry here But I don't know. I kind of like their scene of them duking it out. And then, too, Neve Campbell actually did stab Scott Foley on accident, obviously. i guess the part that she stabs him...
00:55:38
Speaker
Yeah, I heard that when she stabs him and he screams, like that was a legit scream. She missed like the protective vest that he was wearing. And I'm like, damn, she stabbed Skeet Ulrich and then fucking stabbed this guy too.
00:55:56
Speaker
she's just on a roll in these movies. Well, I think the person who hurt Skeet Ulrich was a stunt and person, actually. i don't know if that I don't think that was actually Neve Campbell behind the mask oh and the first movie. Oh, I it was.
00:56:09
Speaker
It would have been cool. Yeah, usually if they have a mask on, they'll have a stunt person doing that, especially the if it's like a super action-packed scene. Billy, you had to see his face, so he had to be in there. But I...
00:56:21
Speaker
I think I remember hearing in the commentary that they said it was stunt person, ah ah stunt woman who did it. That lets me down. i thought Neve Campbell was cool. Yeah, because it was someone whose job it was to be safe, and they fucked it up.
00:56:37
Speaker
You had one job, and you fucked it I gotta say, I do really enjoy all of the ghost-faced action before they reveal that it's Roman. Everything in the house where he's going after Parker Posey's character behind those mirrors. And one thing she yells that I do love, she was like, you can't kill me. I'm the killer in Stab 3. It felt like such a real character moment.
00:57:04
Speaker
it i believed it that that's what that character would say before they die like that was their reasoning like trying to reason like you're going by the script right i'm i'm the killer you can't kill me it it felt really believable i enjoyed that him going after uh tyson deon richmond's character and uh Like literally pulling the rug out from under him.
00:57:28
Speaker
Just really going after all of these people. Emily Mortimer's character. This is when I thought she was the killer, too, because they kind of show her getting stabbed. But we've seen characters get stabbed and it be fake before. And then her body getting dragged away.
00:57:44
Speaker
i was like, they could be in cahoots. it seemed like kind of a missed opportunity, not having somebody in cahoots, but I really liked this element to ghost face where it's become almost like a haunted house type of movie where we have to survive ghost face as he's chasing us. And we're all running full speed, g screaming, trying to figure it out. It's really chaotic.
00:58:09
Speaker
I enjoyed it I, When he's facing off against Nev Campbell, I don't particularly love every moment of it. I feel like the writing gets a little clunky, like when Nev Campbell reveals that she's still alive and she picks up the knife and she's like, did you forget something?
00:58:31
Speaker
I was like, Kevin Williamson would not have written that line. oh It almost just like bothered me. And the movie's riddled with cheesy one-liners like that, that I don't really remember the first two having.
00:58:45
Speaker
and like it wasn't necessarily the Roman and Sydney fight itself that bothered me. I was really annoyed though, that you hear Dewey and Courtney Cox, Dewey and Gail Weathers yelling everything they're doing throughout the whole fight scene being like, There's a door over here, a door over here.
00:59:11
Speaker
No. Oh, that's locked. Gail, where are you? Oh, you're over. We have to go. I'm like, what the fuck? Why are they screaming all of this shit for them to hear? um know it's for the audience to be able to tell where they're at and to kind of make it feel a bit more propulsive, like there's more happening in the scene than just a standoff.
00:59:32
Speaker
but it really irked me. i was so annoyed by that that voiceover. Now that you mentioned that, that is kind of a letdown in that scene. Yeah, because it's like you guys can't even be discreet about where the fuck you guys are trying to get in to try to save Sydney.
00:59:51
Speaker
I don't know. and Then thinking back to all the kill scenes in here, I will admit, yes, Parker Posey's death was a big loss in here and the most effective one just compared to all the other characters. Because, yeah, when Tyson gets killed, it's funny. like His little lines that he says, they're funny.
01:00:13
Speaker
two year Before I forget, to the one-liners like how you were mentioning too – It was stupid because when Sydney arrives at the mansion and she sees Dewey and Gale tied up, she gets in and then the killer pops up behind her.
01:00:29
Speaker
like She pulls up her gun and you see Ghostface kind of retract a little bit and she's like, oh, it's your turn to scream, asshole. She shoots him a bunch of times and then you hear Dewey just, yeah, he's all like hyped up about it.
01:00:44
Speaker
that that wasn't a good way to you know go into that scene so yeah the cheesy one-liners in here we could have done without them and I think the film would have been a lot better I just wanted to throw that thought in there before I forgot it but going back to the kill scenes again Tyson's was funny um um Angelina's that or before I get into her when they go into ah ah Emily Mortimer i actually like her last name a lot that sounds so cool when they finally show her
01:01:23
Speaker
I did not like her character in here. She seemed very, very mousy. And even in the beginning when they introduce her and you have the guy Tom Prince who's playing Dewey's character saying like, okay, well, you know, out of all the girls that auditioned for Sidney Prescott, they picked you for them.
01:01:44
Speaker
Or for her. It wasn't even an audition. It was like a competition that she won. It was very weird. But then we find out later that she slept with the producer. Right. Exactly. Which i I didn't fully love that. Especially considering these movies are associated with Harvey Weinstein and In the commentary, one of the producers kind of praises Weinstein, and I found that a little... I mean, I know it was before everything came out, ah ah but it didn't age well.
01:02:16
Speaker
Yeah, and then it's crazy, too, how they have John Milton. Was he one of the producers in here, the one that Roman was always bitching to? Yeah, he was the producer of the Stab movies.
01:02:29
Speaker
Yeah, so it's trippy that you know you have the Weinsteins helping with this film while that storyline detail was in here too. So it's like, that's fucked up. Yeah, the sexual assault storyline with Sydney's mom, I didn't even think about that
Hollywood Critiques & Scrapped Plots
01:02:48
Speaker
either. Yeah, it is kind of gross. And again, like I said, nothing came out. There were allegations that people knew and kept it quiet.
01:02:58
Speaker
It didn't age well. I'll just leave it at that, I'd say. and Even with Parker Posey's death when she's trying to bang on the the closet mirrors to get Dewey's attention, that's fucked up on its own too because it's in a bedroom where obviously the bed is their main focal point in the center of the room and you can see through these mirrors from the other side. so you know Think what you will with that little detail too. Yes.
01:03:32
Speaker
Very upsetting. The more we kind of uncover this, the more upsetting it gets. And I mean, who knows? Maybe they were kind of writing a bit of this with a weird Weinstein analog. Yeah.
01:03:47
Speaker
I'm not into conspiracy theories like that. It seems like it was probably just coincidence, but that is a very odd coincidence that they kind of do hammer home the real like, quote unquote, like casting couch nature of Hollywood. It's kind of gross how much of that is in this movie.
01:04:08
Speaker
And the crazy thing, too, was when I was little, I wanted to be an actress. I i really did, but obviously I have stage fright, so couldn't do any of that.
01:04:19
Speaker
But this movie, I think, kind of freaked me out a little bit when John Milton was talking to Gail, Jennifer, and Dewey when they were finding out and like pressing him on what happened to Maureen Prescott. and he was telling them, you know, women, they, you know, they know what they're signing up for when they come out here. They want to get these parts, you know, they meet men who could get them those parts, basically, if they made the right offer to them.
01:04:53
Speaker
and he had said, you know, maybe the reality is, like, this isn't the city for innocence. And while I didn't understand that scene so much when i first saw it when this movie came out, that one line just, like, struck a chord with me, like, okay, well, I don't know if I can...
01:05:17
Speaker
do whatever the fuck they're talking about or I don't know if I could be a mean person in that aspect. Like, I think I was just thinking like, oh, you have to be like a mean bitch. But I think that right there kind of like really scared me from trying to pursue anything like that.
01:05:33
Speaker
But it's sad because, you know, yeah people, they don't. do choose to do certain things like that just to get ahead of the game and how they have that detail in here with Angelina's character like you said very scummy to think about Yeah, and to be clear, I'm not saying Angelina's character is scummy.
01:05:55
Speaker
The nature of Hollywood. Yeah, the nature of Hollywood and how womanizing it's been for... And it's gross to think about, too. It's...
01:06:08
Speaker
been going on since basically the birth of Hollywood, going back to like the days of Charlie Chaplin and and Fatty Arbuckle. like From what I hear, those people were very problematic people. And it's something that, I mean, luckily we've had things like the Me Too movement uh, in recent years to shine a big light on all of it, but it's still something that continues to go on to this day.
01:06:33
Speaker
and it just, it does feel weird that Scream 3 is willing to kind of joke about it. I did also hear from that Kill Count episode that one idea was to have Emily Mortimer be a killer, be one of the second killers.
01:06:54
Speaker
I guess she was going to be like someone who went to school with Sidney Prescott, and she was going to be a potential lover of Roman Bridger.
01:07:06
Speaker
And with that, it was weird because he had said, you know, they were gonna have, and if I'm wrong on this, guys, correct me.
01:07:18
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They were saying that they were gonna have him kind of like act out like an incest type of fetish that he was having because of the fact that Emily's character was going to portray Sidney Prescott.
01:07:32
Speaker
So it was good that they didn't take that route because that would have been very strange. That probably really would have turned me off from the, yeah, it would have really turned me off from the film.
01:07:44
Speaker
But I would have preferred Supernatural over that. I thought Sydney might have been the killer at certain points. I thought they were going do that. Yeah, the dreams with her mom made me think, like, is she killing people in her sleep or something? Are they going to go that route?
01:07:58
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Right. i A big reason, too, why i thought it was Patrick Dempsey is because it made sense to me, kind of, from a motivational standpoint...
01:08:10
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Kind of how I was talking about, too, where I thought that other cop was on the phone with Sydney pretending to be Ghostface. Part of me was like, is this what's happening? Is it the police force are killing people involved with the production of Stab because they want the movie to get shut down because they think these movies are perpetuating serial killers or they're perpetuating these Ghostface murders so their solution is to...
01:08:38
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halt the production of Stab. I thought that's what they were going to do originally, especially because they're one by one going through the cast of Stab. And I don't understand Roman as a character, his motivation for wanting to kill off the cast. I get Liev Schreiber because they say that he's looking for Sidney. His main goal is I want to get to Sidney.
01:09:02
Speaker
So how does killing off sarah darling get you closer to sydney how does killing off joe swanson i forgot the actor's name get you closer to sydney i don't really understand the motivation of roman killing these characters it made more sense to me as patrick dempsey or even angelina being like i'm trying to get into character and really feel like what it was like to be sydney and i can't yeah the only way I can do that is by killing people around me.
01:09:35
Speaker
It really doesn't make sense because he when he reveals himself as Ghostface, he, you know, throws in, you know, Roman Bridger, director and brother.
01:09:47
Speaker
So he's stressing that, you know, doing all of this, he's making his movie, you know, whatever. But he's getting his own movie shut down.
01:09:58
Speaker
doesn't make sense to me unless he planned on dying it. it I don't understand his motivation. I don't either because it's like, okay, you are a director.
01:10:14
Speaker
This was supposed to be the film that you're working on It's getting shut down because of everything that you are doing. Did you think, you know, because of the fact that you are killing off everybody the those murders itself was going to help create a movie and then you were going to be the director of it? Like I'm overthinking that, but no, it really doesn't make any sense.
01:10:38
Speaker
Yeah, it's like, how does like having to recast your whole movie and getting it shut down multiple times help? Maybe there was a line of dialogue that he dropped where he was like talking about the publicity being good for it.
01:10:53
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He didn't plan to die at the end. I don't think he planned on killing himself. uh, at all. I, I just don't get what his end game was. He accomplished what he was trying to accomplish with, um, with, um, everybody dying who needed to die. Right.
01:11:13
Speaker
Like Sydney's mom died.
01:11:17
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That's really all he should have wanted dead is Sydney's mom. Who else is he still holding a grudge again? The Hollywood system? Is he just trying to kill everybody in Hollywood? But why is he have a grudge again? Because Sydney lived the life that he didn't.
01:11:32
Speaker
Okay, I kind of get that. but why kill everybody around her who aren't even her friends? i get if you want to target her friends, maybe, like Gail and Dewey, but he is barely going after those two. It's weird because when they're having like their final act, like them arguing, and he he's saying, you know like everything that you had should have been mine, it's like, motherfucker, you are in Hollywood. You are a film director.
01:12:05
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Your life cannot be that fucking bad for you to like be this jealous of Sidney Prescott, who is just like a basic bitch out of here.
01:12:17
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offense to that. Yeah, it's like, dude, you're getting to make... You're getting to make movies. You're getting to live out the dreams of you know people who... I mean, you've achieved the unattainable, but you got some fucking mommy hangups.
01:12:37
Speaker
You never even met your mom, dude. Go to therapy. It's almost like the thing... It's like men would rather... become serial killers and turn other people into serial killers then go to therapy or something like that it's like dude just get a therapist man Yeah, something like a lot of these films, you have a killer who has something going on with their mom.
01:13:02
Speaker
You got Psycho. you would Yeah, does Wes Craven or Kevin Williamson hate moms? Oh, you're talking about horror as a whole? in In general, yeah. Maybe that is a commentary on the genre.
01:13:15
Speaker
Yeah. You got that going is commentary on the genre. Yeah, that this shit, the shit that happens with, is it? Jason. friday the third Yeah, Friday the 13th. But, you know, you have the mom. Rob Zombie gave Michael Myers mommy issues. Yep, exactly.
01:13:34
Speaker
You know, what the fuck? you I know mothers play an important role. in our lives but y'all got y'all are some weird ass mamas boys if you are i mean fucking going out like this like no way have you seen the movie ma speaking of mothers i haven't no have you watched it Yeah, that's a good one. That's one where I was like, why are we not getting Ma movie like every year around Halloween time? This is fucking bullshit. I'm sure Octavia Spencer's game.
01:14:08
Speaker
I mean, she was in Halloween 2, the Rob Zombie fucking movie. oh my God. was actually very sad seeing like her end result in that movie that cut me when I saw her. Oh, she gets fucking brutally murdered.
01:14:25
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Spoilers on that if you guys didn't know. right Yeah, so... Yeah, ma, mothers.
01:14:36
Speaker
Does horror hate moms? That's our point. Yeah, exactly. Hereditary, that's a mom movie. here What was it? The Exorcist has a lot of mom stuff.
01:14:49
Speaker
The Babadook. We both just said it, yeah. Yeah, chinks. Yeah, so it's just, it's it's weird just seeing him, like, bitch at Sydney. And again, it would have...
01:15:06
Speaker
I don't know, felt different. It would have hit harder if Sydney knew this guy, but she's like, oh, this guy I've never met. He's the killer.
01:15:17
Speaker
ah ah find out he's my brother. He was basically the mastermind behind all of this shit. That's where it falls short for me. But I did think it was cool that you know she does retort back like, you know,
01:15:33
Speaker
stop your fucking whining. like I've heard this shit before. so At least they had her say that, but still, it's like this reveal could have been so much better. Fucking Matthew Lillard was supposed to come back in here, and we didn't get that. We better get that. for Yeah, he he was paid to come back here in this film, but I guess when they were rewriting the script,
01:16:01
Speaker
they tossed his character out, so he got paid for nothing. But he wanted to come back and reprise his role. He was supposed to be like in prison or some shit all these years.
01:16:13
Speaker
So if he came back, that would have been great. They better fucking bring him back in the new Scream film that they're coming out with. I'm going to be mad if they don't. I hate to disappoint you, but can I tell you one actor who I read is returning for Scream 7?
01:16:29
Speaker
Scott Foley. Scott Foley. I fucking knew it. Before we started recording, I was like, oh, I just read a possible spoiler for Scream 7. But I really hope they at least bring Matthew Lillard into it. That would be cool. I mean, he's popping...
01:16:46
Speaker
Now more than ever, I feel like he's had a he was just in Life of Chuck in a really small role. he was He had a pretty big role in Five Nights at Freddy's.
01:16:58
Speaker
He's got a fan base that's bigger now than it ever has been, I think. That would be my guess. But I'm saying, man, it should have been Patrick Dempsey because they had a connection.
01:17:11
Speaker
And, you know, maybe they should have kissed at one point. Who knows? I don't know. They've always I mean, I guess they did the boyfriend thing in the first one. Maybe you can't do it again.
01:17:21
Speaker
But it's like, I don't know. Hot cop. It hasn't been a cop yet. i don't know. I'm just waiting. Eventually, they're going to make Dewey the fucking killer or something.
01:17:35
Speaker
I don't even know. Let's jump back into a character that they did decide to bring back. They brought back Jamie Kennedy. it didn't bring him back. He had like a little video that he left behind when he was still alive, supposedly.
01:17:54
Speaker
i guess a lot of people do ask Jamie Kennedy. yeah I did just because you know we got to see Randy again, but it was, i don't know, a little too forceful in there where they're like, yep, we we still got to explain the rules and like what's going to happen? And then they do carry on that type of tradition of someone explaining the rules throughout the next few films. So I'll get into detail on that and let you see it.
01:18:25
Speaker
Well, Patrick Dempsey does that a little bit, too, when they're talking about horror movies like Silence of the Lambs and the roles that detectives and police officers play in these movies. I keep calling everybody detective.
01:18:37
Speaker
and really don't know what their role in law enforcement is, but they're all detectives to me. Well, him and his partner, they yeah, they are detectives in here.
Meta Commentary & Trilogy Wrap-up
01:18:46
Speaker
But yeah, with him saying that, like he he is at least ah ah cop that he says, you know i grew up around the studio, like I know my way around the set, you know blah, blah, blah. So it makes sense that he's covering this case.
01:19:02
Speaker
So that organically comes up for him to explain that. But like with them being bringing randy brett yeah bringing Randy back, it was kind of like, oh man, we're sorry. We killed off like a a beloved character.
01:19:18
Speaker
Here's his last hurrah in here to give like the final rules of the trilogy since everyone kind of thought you know this was going to be the end of the Scream franchise.
01:19:31
Speaker
And then they ended up busting out with scream four but i mean i like the fact that they brought randy back just because i liked his character in here and apparently a lot of people would go up to jamie kennedy and ask like why were you killed in scream too so if they felt like that about randy they have to be feeling that way about stew i'm sorry i keep going back to matthew lillard I mean, Matthew Lillard's pretty great.
01:20:00
Speaker
But with, what's his face? Randy. I guess they wanted to bring him back at a certain point for this movie to make it to where, oh, he wasn't dead after all. That was something they tried to do, and I guess it didn't work out. I'm not too sure exactly why it didn't work out, but they just mentioned briefly in the commentary that there was a version of the script where they were planning on bringing Randy back as a full living character.
01:20:31
Speaker
I wonder how that would have turned out if he came back. It was a mistake to kill him. it was, like, it's like They do... I want to like mention a detail that's not exactly a spoiler.
01:20:47
Speaker
and it's It's not because like with Dewey, Dewey in every film, it looks like he's getting stabbed to death, literally, but he's able to be like brought back to life or he's not dead yet.
01:21:00
Speaker
So... They do play on that a lot in these films where you think someone is dead, but nope, they survive. And with the first few films, it's okay. But once they keep doing that with the rest of the films, you're like, really?
01:21:16
Speaker
So i let me shut up before I start spoiling more movies. Sorry. i You mentioned Dewey for a second, and we don't have to go too far into his character since we're probably going to start wrapping up and within the next five or ten minutes.
01:21:33
Speaker
But he like we haven't really talked about Dewey and haven't even mentioned David Arquette as an actor. By the way, David Arquette's brother is the one who's giving Gale a hard time at that point.
01:21:48
Speaker
like thing that she's speaking at at the beginning of the movie in introduction that's david arquet one of his brothers yeah i heard that in uh the commentary yeah i thought that was pretty cool and the per there's a blonde lady sitting like a seat or two over on his left side i think and she was like a contest winner from germany that they had said to she the one whose like eyes are bulging out of her skull She's very noticeable. When they said the blonde lady is the contest winner, the blonde lady next to him, my eyes caught her immediately. I'm like, I know who they're talking about.
01:22:23
Speaker
so she stands out a little bit. It's almost like they highlighted her in the frame. Yeah. But yeah, I think this movie underserves David Arquette as an actor and Dewey as a character, I'd say.
01:22:41
Speaker
And it also underserves Courtney Cox's haircut, her like bangs I heard that was David Arquette's idea he encouraged that haircut but it looks like a it got caught in something like a light fixture of some sort and ripped it out and some of the bangs came with it yeah that was not a flattering haircut at all I mean I hope David Arquette liked it because he was the one who encouraged it so if he didn't even like it that's pretty fucked up
01:23:13
Speaker
And I think they were married at this point too. It kind of feels like David Arquette is a little checked out of the movie. but Him and Nev Campbell watching their performances, they feel like they're fulfilling a contractual obligation ah little bit.
01:23:31
Speaker
as opposed to giving it their all. I do, even though Courtney Cox, I feel like is kind of harmed a little bit by the script and where they start her character off, I do feel like she still is bringing it to this movie. I don't know how you felt. Did you notice any of what I'm talking about?
01:23:48
Speaker
Yeah, I agree with Neve Campbell only being in a few scenes. you can feel like you know she's there just to be there. you know She has to be there. or She's fulfilling, like you said, her obligation there.
01:24:04
Speaker
With David Arquette, like yeah the main scene where I felt like it was him actually doing a decent job was when him and Patrick Dempsey are basically having like like their little pissing contest when he's Dempsey is trying to tell David Arquette like we need Sydney here so we can figure out like more information on her mom and then David Arquette's just saying like or Dewey's saying you know like I don't know where she is you know
01:24:35
Speaker
He's trying to just like keep her hidden. And they're just kind of going back and forth like, oh, is that a threat? Well, if that's a threat, you'll know when it's a threat, you'll know it. He's like, was that a threat? And you can see like Patrick Dempsey just turn around and it looks like he's about to fucking go off on him.
01:24:51
Speaker
That was the only scene where I felt like, you know, yeah he did like a good like job in there. Throughout the rest of it, he does seem kind of like half present in there.
01:25:03
Speaker
Yeah, I agree. i wanted to shout out a line real quick. It's us talking about... It doesn't have to do with Dewey, but he was present for this, and it kind of just reminded me... I've criticized the writing a bit in this, but there's one line I really did enjoy. It's when Courtney Cox punches Parker Posey, and Parker Posey looks up, and I love the line. I love her delivery, but she's like...
01:25:32
Speaker
My lawyer liked that. And I was like, that that's a good line. Good delivery. Got to give it to them. Even the way she like propped herself up, like she like got up, she like flipped her torso around and then you see her hair do her little flip too.
01:25:53
Speaker
So sassy, like even while she was fucking down. I love that part. Yeah, I love her whole vibe. but um Definitely my favorite part of the movie. Is there anything else you wanted to talk about?
01:26:05
Speaker
yeah Even with all its downfalls and things that I don't agree with and you know the garbage that kind of goes along with this film, I still kind of like it Again, I kind of like it more than Scream 2, surprisingly.
01:26:20
Speaker
But it did make me sad a little bit because when we were wrapping up the Scream 2 episode, I was thinking back to the scene that no one liked, know the cafeteria scene where Derek is singing to Sydney.
01:26:34
Speaker
the song that was playing when he finished and you see Sydney get up and she's smiling. She's kind of embarrassed, but you know, she's smiling.
01:26:45
Speaker
I actually felt really bad because I was like, damn, throughout these films, she does not get a fucking break. She you you can kind of feel like, damn, she's she's tired of this shit.
01:26:59
Speaker
Obviously, she does say that. But she has that one brief moment of happiness from this guy who ends up fucking getting killed. But yeah, it was just it was sad to, you know, kind of reflect back on that.
01:27:13
Speaker
And I didn't get to mention that in that episode, obviously. So just wanted to bring that up here. now I'm glad you said that too, because it kind of plays into my feeling. It is exactly why, i didn't mention this early, but it's exactly why i really enjoy the final shot of this movie.
01:27:33
Speaker
And watching it gave me chills, kind of. I don't know if you would call it cheesy or how other people feel about it. I like it for two reasons. I like, she leaves the door open, which it's fucking wild. Even if there is no ghost face, close the door, set your alarm, like. Exactly. That's still the responsible thing to do.
01:27:50
Speaker
But I like what it represents. I like her thinking, I don't have to be afraid anymore, which, I mean, maybe this does tell her you don't have to be afraid. The events of Scream 2 doesn't necessarily tell you you have to be afraid, but to her, it's like, okay, everyone associated with my mom and this ghost face killer are dead, and I don't need to be paranoid. I can breathe.
01:28:13
Speaker
I can take a break and enjoy my time with my friends who are still alive. And she, like, leaves the door wide open and is, you know, very cool, ah ah given all the deaths she's been surrounded by and experienced. There's no real mourning, these people do, but she's...
01:28:32
Speaker
like nice and calm. And I enjoyed it because of that. And I also enjoyed it because this movie makes an ah honest attempt at actually wrapping up a trilogy and having some finality on this thing.
01:28:45
Speaker
It doesn't leave us with a cliffhanger. It doesn't leave us with a setup for another thing. It feels like this is the end of scream. This is the final thing. And even though they went on to make more, I appreciate it.
01:28:58
Speaker
that I appreciate it for the fact that it feels like they're like, this is the end. We're done with Scream. We told the stories. And here's a little button we're putting and on it. And I quite enjoyed it.
01:29:10
Speaker
Yeah, I did like that because, you know, they were... trying to wrap up everything you get the little scene where dewey and gail's characters he proposes to her so they are going to get married so you're like oh my god we're finally getting them to yeah get together officially so they should have done that in the last movie honestly and they should have been married in this one i think maybe No, i I like that they finally were unifying them. And then you do get Sydney coming in and coming to that realization.
01:29:47
Speaker
Yeah, I don't have to be afraid anymore. It pissed me off that she didn't close the door and that it just opened. But it was nice to see, you know, she had a little smile like, know what, I'll just leave it alone. It's okay. Plus, she wasn't alone in her house anymore at that moment. She had both David Arquette or Dewey and Gale and Patrick Dempsey in there.
01:30:10
Speaker
And I guess they were going to watch a movie. i won That was the only cliffhanger that they gave us. What movie that they were going to watch is going to be a scary movie. We all know this. Of course, there's no other option. but Yeah.
Scream 3 Evaluation & Franchise Future
01:30:23
Speaker
You got any final thoughts on Scream 3?
01:30:25
Speaker
No, that was pretty much it. i It's still low on my tier list, but i do I can say I like it. and i really i know for a fact you're going to like the next ones going forward.
01:30:39
Speaker
I'm hoping I do. i And, you know, even though I had criticisms of Scream 3, I think I was the most critical of this one. It's still a good horror movie. You know, if I feel like it's better than... Scream 3 is better than...
01:30:55
Speaker
all or most of the scream ripoffs that have come out it does the scream thing very well i like the changes it makes it doesn't feel tired because they change the setting they add in a bunch of interesting characters and it still has really exciting and like thrilling ghost face sequences Even when he's not on screen, like the shit when they're in, I think it's, I don't know if it's Roman's house or if it's Parker Posey's house, but the fax machine scene, even though I feel like the ah ah character who blows up in the house is being stupid. It's like, go outside to read that script. Exactly. It's one of the most exciting moments in the whole series so far. And this,
01:31:46
Speaker
I don't know if I'd say these movies are necessarily topping themselves, but they continue to have very interesting and fun action sequences with Ghostface. It's always heart pounding.
01:32:01
Speaker
It's always an interesting chase. I hope they keep it all up in the movies going forward. I mean, I don't think this is a bad movie and I don't think I mean, this is so far a bulletproof franchise to me. There might be a decline that's happening as the sequels are going on.
01:32:19
Speaker
But they're all very strong movies. And I'm here to stand by Scream 3 and what it has to offer. I think it's a very solid and admirable entry into the franchise.
01:32:31
Speaker
And I don't think I would really change much about it. Yeah, I'm really excited to see you what you think about Scream 4 and the other films too, because you kind of had some questions or like made a few comments that you we do pick up on in Scream 4. So it'll be cool to kind of reflect back on that.
01:32:54
Speaker
But yeah, guys, we will be back next week with Scream 4. Let us know which Scream so far is your favorite or what kill scene is your
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01:34:00
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01:35:03
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