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Curse of Chucky
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Join Nicholas and Mercedes as they cover the penultimate film in the Don Mancini driven Chucky series, Curse of Chucky! They break down the entire plot of this film, discussing everything they love, and touching on a few quibbles they have with the film. This movie is great! Be sure to watch it before checking out the episode!
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Introduction and Focus on Curse of Chucky
00:01:12
Speaker
What's up guys? We're Morbid Curiosity's bringing y'all another episode. I'm Nicholas Ewers and with me is the lightweight champion of the world, the Morbid Mistress of Mayhem herself. Mercedes Martinez.
00:01:24
Speaker
We are covering the entire Child's Play franchise starting from the starting from the initial movie, Child's Play, and we're just going down the line.
Deep Dive into Curse of Chucky
00:01:35
Speaker
And today we are at Curse of Chucky. So spoilers ahead, full spoilers ahead. I'm glad we're getting right into it.
00:01:46
Speaker
You had mentioned before, I'm pretty sure you said it on mic that you love this movie. I did. Love is a very strong word. Explain yourself. That's the word you would use to describe your feelings for your husband, right?
00:02:00
Speaker
That is very true, yes. um i How would you rank your husband in Curse of Chucky?
00:02:08
Speaker
It depends on the day. It depends on my mood. It depends on if he did the dishes. Callback to Bride of Chucky. I know. um Yeah, if if you haven't checked out that episode, everyone, go check it out before you listen to this one.
00:02:25
Speaker
But would say on a solid day, he he ranks maybe two notches above Curse of Chucky.
00:02:34
Speaker
That's pretty high. That's pretty high. It is. It's very high. um i I still have love for this movie, but I want to hear what you thought of this movie since it was your first time
Appreciation for Franchise and Plot Analysis
00:02:46
Speaker
watching it. And I pretty much set some expectations for you and I was worried that those were just going to crumble down.
00:02:54
Speaker
um But yeah, tell me what you thought. Before i I fully get into my thoughts, I want to say, guys, if you haven't seen this movie and you've been keeping up with our podcast or are watching these movies, if you're checking these out just, like, spoiler-free, or, like, ah if you're checking these out and just fully getting spoiled by everything we're saying, this one in particular, go watch it first.
00:03:21
Speaker
This movie is I don't want to give away what happens at the end yet. I'm going to hold off on all of that. But this movie rewards you as a fan of the franchise. And I've got to say, too, going into these, I expected most of these movies to be pretty, like, hit or miss.
00:03:45
Speaker
And so far, we've only hit one bad movie, and that's Child's Play 3, in my opinion. I kind of expected these last two, like, main storyline Chucky movies to really falter, but Curse of Chucky, in my opinion, is, like...
00:04:03
Speaker
it's up there with the best. It really works. It pulls off everything it is trying to do. I'm going to use the L word too. I like kind of love this movie. Um,
00:04:18
Speaker
I like it more than Seed of Chucky. It's really wrapping up this whole child's play and Chucky journey that we've been on, and I feel so satisfied, and things are feeling good.
00:04:33
Speaker
I really enjoyed this movie. um I can't find the words necessary to adequately compliment it, but I... ah Yeah, I thought this movie was great. I thought it was a blast.
00:04:45
Speaker
It um makes you question its relationship to the previous movies as you're watching it for the first time. I really enjoyed that. I really enjoyed everything it was giving me as a fan. I enjoyed the scares. I enjoyed the deaths.
00:05:01
Speaker
And even for like as flat as these characters tend to be in these movies... I, like, have grown to really, like, like these characters in this movie. I've watched it twice, and the second time around, I didn't get as much enjoyment out of it as the first time around. And that's just because the first one packs so much in there that, like, it especially as you get to the end, it's like, boom, boom, boom. You're just getting hit after hit of, like, what the fuck?
00:05:31
Speaker
And so, like, yeah, of course, the second viewing, like, for me, wasn't going to live up to, you but I still, like, really, really dug this movie, everything it was doing. I have a few complaints, as I always do, but i i liked this movie a lot.
00:05:50
Speaker
There's no pleasing you. That's all I heard out of all of that. You have complaints on this movie. That is all i heard. I know. I'm a real fucking bitch sometimes.
00:06:02
Speaker
I mean, it's okay because i have... um a A few complaints as well, I would say, um even though I do love this film. So, again, spoilers ahead for the movie. um So, as you were saying, it's the storyline is different from Seed of Chucky. You're introduced to um this mom and daughter, and the daughter is ah Fiona Dorif, Brad Dorif's daughter, and
00:06:34
Speaker
That was such a great pick, honestly. um I think a lot of people were a little skeptical on her just um because of the fact that she was Braddorff's daughter. They didn't know if it was, and I could be saying this wrong, but they didn't know if it was um really based on favoritism or if she was actually a good fit for the role.
00:06:54
Speaker
And she fucking nailed this role so well. um Plus, she is beautiful. But um anyway, she is a she is in a wheelchair. What is that term called?
00:07:07
Speaker
Paraplegic. Yeah. um She is in a wheelchair. So um i I thought that was cool how our our leading role was paraplegic, right?
00:07:21
Speaker
Yeah, paraplegic. It can be a bit of a tongue twister. I just
Unique Protagonist and Character Design
00:07:26
Speaker
can't talk, as everyone knows. But um yeah, i that was a ah cool way to go because you you can tell that she's going to be our leading girl here, but um she does she is at a disadvantage.
00:07:39
Speaker
Don Mancini actually commented on the the wheelchair thing. The reason he picked that was because people, I guess, always made complaints like, why is Chucky scary? You can just kick him. Like, why doesn't anybody just kick him?
00:07:54
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But he was like, if I make the character paraplegic, that gets rid of that. That like puts the character in like so much more peril. who Definitely. um it just makes a movie even more uncomfortable for you because now you're just thinking, okay, what situation is she going to fall in with Chucky?
00:08:15
Speaker
You see that, you know, the mom in here, she... isn't the greatest person in the world the ups or knockoff ups guy is clearly hitting on fiona doreff her name is nika in here and the mom is just flat out saying like oh he was just being nice to you because you're in a wheelchair he was like so like almost like grossly like hitting on her where he's like he was that was like a porn type of intro Yeah, ah exactly. Yeah, when he was like, your mom's here.
00:08:49
Speaker
Lame. I was like, right what the fuck? Like, dude, that's you're such a creep. <unk> You're like, I mean, but if you look at Nika's her her reaction um and her facial expression, she she was for it.
00:09:05
Speaker
She she was wishing her mom wasn't home. I know. And again, he wasn't, ah no no offense the actor, not cool or good looking enough for Fiona Dorif.
00:09:16
Speaker
I mean. i agree. yeah She deserves higher than that. Yeah, this woman is ah incredible. I'm not going to be weird, but I'm going to be weird on Mike. You're like, I should have been the one playing the UPS guy knockoff.
00:09:35
Speaker
Oh, yeah, I would have done a killer job as ah guy number one. One of the first guys you see in the movie. Yeah, I would have. It would have been a real Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park situation where like this guy's too good. We've got to like keep him in the movie. like Can we write him more of this guy?
00:09:53
Speaker
Do they need another package?
00:09:57
Speaker
I know it was it was such a ah funny setup um just adding a tiny a tiny tiny bit of humor in there um and then what do you know here comes Chucky in this package and what do you think Chucky's little makeover look in here did you did you like it did you not like it I dig it, especially for like plot reasons. the His look makes more sense, so i can I can be more forgiving of it if I did have any complaints.
00:10:33
Speaker
But I did like it, kinda. I liked how like from certain angles he had duck lips almost. Yeah. yeah he was like very pale and strange looking he looked creepier i believed it as almost like this modern re-release of this old 80s doll that they were trying to put out because every they modernize everything and everyone always complains like why does it look ugly now and yeah that's kind of what i was thinking with chucky in this one like
00:11:06
Speaker
I'm surprised someone didn't say that. It would have felt really, like, real. Maybe, like, offensive to the animatronic guys and the puppeteers who created it. But they should have had someone be like, because they mentioned that ah the Good Guy dolls are from the 80s. He should have been like, ah why did they change the look? It looks weird now. Like...
00:11:26
Speaker
Yeah, um I actually had my husband watch this with me and he hates the way Chucky looks in here. he absolutely hates it. He kept talking so much shit like, why what does his face look like that? Or I was even saying, like yeah, his face looks a little sunken in There are some angles that...
00:11:48
Speaker
I did like, you know, when not to jump too far ahead, but there's a part where um the the niece in here named Alice, she is hugging the doll and you see Chucky's eyes dilate.
00:12:03
Speaker
that moment, I kind of like the way he looked in there, but for the rest of it, where he looks like just a normal doll, not really a fan.
00:12:15
Speaker
You're not a fan of his look?
Family Dynamics and Opening Credits
00:12:17
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No, not not really until the end. And then even with the end, I have some competing opinions on that too.
00:12:28
Speaker
Yeah, I get you. I don't think I've had real any... can put i mean, I did find his look in Bride of Chucky and Seed of Chucky absolutely disgusting, but it's become effectively iconic, and it just like rules.
00:12:46
Speaker
I totally understand having complaints about his look in this movie slightly altering... Honestly, like both versions of the Chucky that we've grown to know the Chucky we love the Charles.
00:13:00
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um Now I got to separate the two for this movie. um But ah this movie in particular, wink, wink.
00:13:11
Speaker
But I, I, I did really enjoy the look. i I don't know if it's better, but I like ah how how different it looks. it's It's better than I think most of the changes that have been done to Michael Myers and later Halloween sequels, I'd say.
00:13:36
Speaker
Do we have to compare the two right now? Are you a fan of the the Michael changes? i will i appreciate every Michael mask for what it is and what they've grown to Not every Michael mask, no.
00:13:53
Speaker
Everyone, I appreciate them for what they've their reputation they've grown to bear of how bad they are. i don't know if we can be friends anymore after that comment.
00:14:03
Speaker
just You gotta like something that sucks sometimes. Sometimes. not Not all the time. I'm very forgiving of it when it comes to horror, I guess.
00:14:15
Speaker
I know. Your favorite movie was or is Seed of Chucky or was Seed of Chucky. I don't know if this one ranks a little higher than that now. Seed wasn't my favorite. It's up there, though. It was your favorite. It was pretty much your favorite. You were having such a good time with it.
00:14:32
Speaker
I was. I was. That movie's up there, though. This movie really throws off my ranking and is really making me question the ranking of every movie list I've ever made, to be honest. um I'm going back and reevaluating, like, what did how did I rank the movies of 2016? I gotta change this up.
00:14:52
Speaker
You know, even even though this movie came out in 2013, I also had to change up that list a little bit, too. This movie does that to you, but... It really curses you. I like that pun in there. I love it.
00:15:06
Speaker
Yeah, going ah forward, you bring it in the first murder. so you have Nika. She finds her mother dead downstairs.
00:15:17
Speaker
You see the fake blood. um Well, obviously, we know it's fake, but just seeing Nika's reflection in it, so beautiful. um I love when blood in movies looks very fake. It reminds me of... um Sweeney Todd and how bright that blood was it it just looks like hot sauce to me so um I don't know I think that's a charming little effect in there yeah I want to say they didn't talk about it in the commentary I'm pretty sure if I had to guess I would say it was maybe like CGI or a mixture of like practical blood with CGI they definitely need to use some CGI to get Nika's reflection in there but uh
00:15:59
Speaker
Yeah, I thought it was a really, like, effective um kill. You don't see what happens, but The Scream actually, like, if remember correctly, my first time watching it um a couple days ago, like, i jumped a little bit.
00:16:13
Speaker
These movies have kind of been getting my my heart rate elevated, like, when we're not in the comedy ah ones. All, like, the horror ones, except for a Child's Play 3, have been creating some tension.
00:16:25
Speaker
Even with just the house in general, um I know even the outside look of it was CGI, but the house being as old as it is and in that type of style, i don't know how you would describe the style of the house, but um it's you could see you know some of it is kind of, I would say, rotting on the inside, looking at like their fireplace or entertainment center part in their living room.
00:16:54
Speaker
A lot of the paint was chipping away, but I still like the way the house looks. That was so such a beautiful home. I wish I could live in a huge house like that.
00:17:05
Speaker
Dream home. It's a nice fixer-upper type of house. I've seen a house that big, not necessarily or actually bigger, but not necessarily that same style.
00:17:17
Speaker
and It was the same deal. It was a friend's family. They bought the house and they were just you know giant house, really run down, making it look nice so they could sell it. and I don't know if that was the full intention for this house. I know once the mom kicks it, the sister mentioned something about financial troubles. We can get into that when we get to that part. But um yeah, this would be like a pretty nice buy as long as it wasn't like a financial nightmare fixing it up.
00:17:49
Speaker
I mean, not anymore when you got the the but line of death, ah that the death count in this house now. It's the murder house now.
00:18:00
Speaker
Exactly. Crazy wheelchair lady murdered everybody in that house. That's the yarn all the neighborhood kids are going to spend. There's actually no neighborhood that they're in. That's why the house is um CGI, actually. I guess there were a bunch of houses around it.
00:18:17
Speaker
And when they get that first shot that we're seeing, um they needed to just do a full CGI house because they couldn't. They wanted to make it look like it was alone in the woods.
00:18:27
Speaker
Ooh, I like that fact. I like that detail. that that may Just the house being secluded for this movie really amped up the intensity here.
00:18:38
Speaker
But yeah, you after the the mom dies, the next day, um Nika's sister, Barbara... Before we get into the next day, I have to talk about the opening credits of this movie. Oh, okay.
00:18:52
Speaker
Okay. We've managed to do that on, like, i think every episode, too. These movies have opening credits that are, like, so worth discussing. ah Except for Child's Play 3, that one.
00:19:04
Speaker
All around just sucks, I guess. Yeah, it really Doesn't have anything cool going for it. But um I fucking... This is when I fell in love with this movie. These opening credits, I rewound them over and over...
00:19:20
Speaker
it it's just, it's so beautiful. God damn it. Like Don Mancini is growing into like a really cool director over the course of these films. But after like the mom's body's found, the camera is focusing on Nika and starts to pull away. And as it's pulling away, it reveals a Chucky doll sitting there on like a little rocking chair and Curse comes is like floating right there. And i i don't know if they had the actual words curse floating or if it was like not floating, but like strung up somewhere or if they were just CGI, but it says curse and then of Chucky pops up.
00:19:59
Speaker
And then the camera just rotates and rotates around Chucky as it's going from daylight. And you're seeing, like, the police interviewing Nika in the background and taking the mom's body as, like, the the score just ramps up.
00:20:17
Speaker
I fucking, like... these are my favorite opening credits of the whole series. It's so strong. And i just, I had to take the time, like while we were still at this section to call out how much I love them. And it like brought me so much delight. I want to like make a list of my favorite opening credit sequences. And if I did Curse of Chucky would be right up there. It like surprised me. And I was like, when I saw them, I was just like,
00:20:44
Speaker
God, I hope this movie is good. um And it turns out it was, yeah. um But yeah, go on. I just had to really take the time to shout out how well done those were. Shout out to Don Mancini.
00:21:01
Speaker
I mean, even with just kind of the rotating effect that they um are doing with the camera, you do see that come back a lot in later scenes of the the movie um ah going into their dinner scene, even just around Chucky himself and then Nika.
00:21:23
Speaker
So the rotating... um it does It does have a nice little feel to it because it just, I don't know the perspective of it, it looks a lot nicer. And it's it's still, everything that they do in this film, they it's just an uneasy type of feeling you experience.
00:21:41
Speaker
Yeah, the a lot of good use of rotation, a lot of good use of overhead. that That Don Mancini guy, he knows where to put the camera. ah Yeah, and I mean, he has to. a lot of his angles have to be with a doll and trying to make the doll look threatening. Even with a kid, a kid looking scared, i notice a lot of the angles are just angled down and starting from down up, like looking upward a kid, whereas the kid, they're actually looking up at adults. So...
00:22:15
Speaker
um But yeah, I just noticed that a lot um in
Tension and Horror Clichés
00:22:19
Speaker
this film. But um going forward, you after, you know, the death scene of the mom, um they bring it in Nika's sister, Barbara, ah who also has a priest with her. And you do see she obviously is sad about their mother's death, but then you you start to pick up on some...
00:22:43
Speaker
strange feelings that she is you know experiencing about Nika, about the mom, about the house. And then in comes in her husband, Ian, their blonde, ginger-looking kid, um just because of all of her freckles, Alice, and then Jill, the awkward-looking nanny, who she who Jill, or Jill, Barbara, introduces very affectionately she just kind of grabs her shoulder like oh this is my au pair and she didn't even really do that with her husband i thought that was funny yeah i found jill to be a pretty annoying character overall her involvement with the movie her i mean spoilers she dies um ah her death i didn't love we could have got jill out of this out of this thing that That was the thing I thought at the scene. I was like, God, we're introducing like fucking six characters right now, like five or six all at once.
00:23:48
Speaker
was like, this is too many. Like we got to I know it's a horror movie and they're going to get killed. But I'm like, we got to start getting some of these guys out of here.
00:23:59
Speaker
Yeah, even me kind of breaking it down right now. i was just thinking, wow, that was that was one too many people to have to break down right now. that was a little excessive right there.
00:24:10
Speaker
You're like, all right, a sister, a brother-in-law, a niece, a priest, I'll walk into the room. It sounds like the setup to like a joke almost. Yeah, it does.
00:24:22
Speaker
Yeah, you just um you start to see how their dynamic is. um Barbara is complaining more so about financial struggles with her little family and wants to sell the house pretty much toss Nika in an assisted living home and just take whatever her share of the money would be and you know, live happily ever after with her life. And that's just so upsetting because you're just telling your sister, another human. Yeah, you know, this is what we're going to do Screw how you feel. Screw the fact that this is your home.
00:25:06
Speaker
We need money. Let's go. Like, it's kind of like my way or no way. um I hated Barbara so much. I can't stand her. Yeah, Barbara, you know, we often have the conversation, do they deserve it?
00:25:23
Speaker
And before we get to that part of the movie, I'll just say yes before we even talk about it. We'll get to that later, but they deserve it.
00:25:33
Speaker
because even with introducing all the characters at once or at least a good chunk of the characters at once like that you don't get too much of a point to really know them or like them for that matter the only person you really like is um nika's character and everyone else all of the side characters they i don't know to me they kind of suck I grew to like Ian at a certain point. There's a line he says that really made me love him. where
00:26:09
Speaker
This is later in the movie, but Nika is like, and watch out for Chucky. And he's like, what the fuck are you talking about? And I'm like, oh yeah, he's just living his own movie over there that like we're not watching anymore.
00:26:25
Speaker
He's not really living what we're living. Yeah. ah So I really like that's when I grew to like him. I was like, yeah, this guy's just doing his own thing.
00:26:37
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, he's okay as you watch the film go and you see he's not a complete idiot. He does have some redeeming points in here. um But for the most part, every other character in here kind of sucks.
00:26:56
Speaker
Yeah, Alice, and no offense to the, at the time, little girl who played her, i I'm very she'll fall into the annoying kid category in these movies you know there's a lot of kid actors in movies and when a kid actor's in a movie you really have to ah decide if you find them annoying or not that seems to at least for me I always have to face the fact that fuck I find this kid really annoying and they're in this whole movie but um
00:27:28
Speaker
Luckily, we don't get a whole lot of Alice. The movie kind of just drops her at a certain point. But um one thing I did kind of like is after these characters get introduced, Alice quickly goes into the bathroom. I guess I didn't like this per se but I just thought Chucky was a total fucking creep just being in the bathroom behind like a curtain. Especially like...
00:27:57
Speaker
It's like you're just listening to people pee. Like, you know how old are you at this point? Like, 50, 60? fifty sixty Charles and that in that body? Yeah, um but I guess he was trying to just catch her at a point where she was most vulnerable, but he could have gone at any other route aside from the bathroom. Bathroom time is private time. You don't invade that private space. Yeah, I'd be like, I'm not taking this fucking nasty-ass toy out of here.
00:28:29
Speaker
is in the bathroom anyway? What's it doing in here to begin with? And all the doors have locks on them. Yeah, two adults live here. Who's playing with a toy in the bathroom? Yeah, that was a little strange. And then...
00:28:45
Speaker
After all the awkwardness of ah establishing all these side characters, they jump into the dinner scene where, you know, Nika and Alice, they just put together the comfort food of chili to feed everybody. It's a very lazy dish, I thought.
00:29:08
Speaker
It was. um i know people typically that just during the cold months where they can just throw shit together and call it a day.
00:29:19
Speaker
it was it was just funny. um Those bowls were so tiny. and then um they have the rotating effect again. at the dinner scene um because they're trying to throw you off. Chucky throws some rat poison and he was planning on doing it, I'm assuming, in all of the bowls, but he only manages to do it in one. So once they place the bowls everywhere, they're just trying to ah confuse you so you don't know who's going to die.
00:29:48
Speaker
um And then you have the suspense of just everyone eating until they finally get the the the victim. and Do you think that he actually wanted to poison everybody? Or do you think he was trying to make it a game of who's going to get the poison?
00:30:06
Speaker
Maybe he would have wanted to do ah few of them. He clearly was startled when Nika almost caught him or went back into the kitchen.
00:30:17
Speaker
so um and I mean, the amount that he poured in there was enough to kill someone, so he could have went... bowl to bowl already at that point but i don't know i feel like he would have tried to poison a few of them but you know i could be wrong he probably just wanted to make a game out of it too The language of the movie, I think, makes it clear that he probably would have poisoned all them, but I'd just like to believe that is he's about the theatrics at this point.
00:30:49
Speaker
he He really like likes to make a game of it since he reconnected with Tiffany. Yeah, maybe. but then, I mean, we'll get into all of that stuff, too, because this movie recontextualizes a couple things.
00:31:07
Speaker
Yeah, you have the poor ah priest. I felt bad just right when he starts sweating a little bit. Just the look on his face. i was wondering, does he know he's about to die?
00:31:21
Speaker
Does he know something's happening? I believe that he knew something was wrong. He already had some weird suspicion about the doll anyway. um Probably just thought that the doll was evil. And then...
00:31:33
Speaker
they fucking cut to him um basically being involved in a car crash and his head was decapitated after they removed the shard of the car that slammed into him. That was just an insane death scene. yeah It was gross to watch.
00:31:55
Speaker
Yeah. I didn't really love his death scene that much. I, I didn't, I was kind of annoyed with this character in general.
00:32:06
Speaker
um I was like, okay, bringing in a priest that feels like a big cliche of a horror film. And then when he starts to seem suspicious, I was like, okay, I'm getting on his side a little bit more. When he's the guy who gets poisoned, I was like, what I want to see him do is be like, okay,
00:32:25
Speaker
something is going on let me i wanted to see him like make himself throw up or something and then really go like okay i'm gonna get to the bottom of this and really have a guy who's like ah have a guy who really on the outside looking in is just like there's something up with that doll and i'm going to figure out what and The movie doesn't do any of that.
00:32:50
Speaker
He eats the poison, gets in a car accident, and yeah, gets decapitated because the police officer like moves so part of a car that like another guy's like, you're not allowed to do that.
00:33:04
Speaker
a lot of these movies have like police officers with me being like, is this allowed? like shit Wouldn't you get in trouble for this? Mostly in these child's play movies, actually.
00:33:18
Speaker
Yeah, um now that you're saying all of that, um because I didn't mind the fact that they brought in a priest in here. I i really didn't have an issue with his character. um but yeah, it it is kind of a bummer seeing that he did have some suspicions on Chucky and just...
00:33:41
Speaker
He was just a quiet side character, just some type of, you know, that good presence um in the house. And then, you know, OK, things are going to go terribly wrong because he's the first victim. He's the one that ate the poison. But his character has just like no effect on the plot at all. Yeah. So it was just a body count in here.
00:34:04
Speaker
Yeah, because he doesn't even get the police officer to really take action in any kind of way. I mean, the officer is, like, his sponsor. I'm sure if they did, like, an autopsy, they would probably find, like, some type of poison in his body because they, you know, had questions on whether he was drinking or not, so they would need to do some kind of, like...
00:34:26
Speaker
tests, I assume. And, i mean, there's a deleted scene with the police officer that explains, like, why he shows up at the end of the movie, but it's not related to the priest at all. So this character has, I think, zero actual effect on the plot, and that kind of annoys me. He's just there for the kill, and Honestly, this movie, these movies are sometimes operating at a level, I feel like they would be better received and thought of in a better light if they did really, like, thoughtfully think about every character and make every character have a purpose in the movie and not just be there for the kills.
00:35:07
Speaker
Yeah, true. I don't know, maybe the... The idea of, you know, killing the mom at first. Okay, that's going to suck because no one wants to lose like that comforting feeling of your mother, even though, or um not feeling, um just that comforting person that is your mother.
00:35:29
Speaker
um Even though her and Nika didn't have the best relationship. And then they go off and kill a priest. that way it can kind of feel i keep um defaulting to the word uneasy but it um goes into him just killing a priest okay you know they killed the only good thing that could have potentially quote unquote saved them at that point or i could just be overthinking this too much so yeah don't listen to me no i don't think you're overthinking at all this is the we're here to overthink these movies
00:36:05
Speaker
I feel like we're really ah dissecting this one, so hopefully people are still listening and they're you know engaged with this episode. People are loving it. this is We're finally giving Curse of Chucky the treatment that it deserves.
00:36:20
Speaker
After 12 years, people are finally talking about it Yes, definitely. Yeah, um Don Mancini's happy.
00:36:31
Speaker
Even though I haven't always had the nicest things to say about his writing. I hope he understands if he's listening, and we know that he is. um He's always listening.
00:36:44
Speaker
But I hope that he understands that at this point, I'm a full-on fan of him and the work that he does in these movies. Yeah. um I think these things are fucking great.
00:36:56
Speaker
But yeah, we can get this ah plot of rolling on. So once everyone's kind of settled in, um you know, Alice is playing around with Chucky. Apparently this little shit's um playing hide and seek with her. And then while Jill goes about looking for Chucky You find out that, or the whole beginning of the movie, you are under the assumption that the husband, Ian, has a thing for Jill. And there might be a little love affair going on there.
00:37:31
Speaker
But then, turn of events happen, and then you see that it's not Ian having an affair, it's Barbara having an affair with Jill. So, that was a...
00:37:42
Speaker
a funny little spin there and again the more i watch these films the more i do see don mancini inserting more of you know his likes and preferences um into it because when i first watched this when it came out i was thinking i didn't know don mancini was gay at the time so when i watched it i was just thinking what point does this have in the movie? I didn't get it, but just seeing how each one now has some type of homosexual detail in there, it was a cool, um you know, giveaway now. um So that, I don't know, that that really threw me off seeing it. that was That was so random in my opinion because I didn't expect that.
00:38:27
Speaker
And Barb is doing a fucking terrible job at hiding this affair, too. we'll We'll get into that a little later, too. I know I keep saying we'll get into that. well We're going to get into all of this stuff, guys.
00:38:39
Speaker
But this like game of hide-and-seek that the nanny is playing with him, I want to say is like intercut with ah Ian and Nika watching home video footage, too.
00:38:51
Speaker
And while they're watching the home video footage, that's where we get the reveal of... ah Our good old pal Charles. I saw him. i was like, that's Brad Dourif right away. I saw him too in Lord of the Rings of Two Towers yesterday. I've been watching those. Right when he popped up, I'm like, that's Brad Dourif. I saw his face yesterday in Curse of Charges. I'm like, I'm seeing a lot of Brad Dourif's face lately. You don't really yeah get that. I've mostly been hearing his voice over these past couple of months.
00:39:20
Speaker
But yeah, I got like kind of excited. I was like, what is this movie doing? It like, it got me like pretty pumped it because i was finding myself like questioning at first. I was like, so is this a reboot? Is this a sequel? Like what is its relationship to these other movies? And s seeing Charles Lee Ray pop up, I was just like, okay, this movie is doing something cool. i see ah see you Don Mancini.
00:39:49
Speaker
yeahre You're trying to butter me up. Yeah, they that threw me off too just seeing him in a home video. Like, what the fuck are what are what are we doing here? um i don't know. i thought that was a a strange scene to have, but i mean it gives you some context. You see that he was familiar with their mother, and then...
00:40:15
Speaker
with Barbara as a daughter or as a kid and um Nika isn't born yet. The mom is pregnant with her. So you kind of have Nika suspecting something about this random guy.
00:40:31
Speaker
And so she goes to investigate and try to figure out who this guy is. So she's spending a however long, maybe like 10, 15 minutes figuring out who this guy is.
00:40:41
Speaker
Yeah, it really pulls her away from the movie for a while. But this is where, because it was losing the pacing, I started to really not love how slow it was getting when they were doing the hide-and-seek stuff and the home footage
Charles Lee Ray's Past and Continuity
00:40:57
Speaker
stuff. and But at this moment, when Nika's doing her research, it's also being cross-cut, I think, with Allison under the blanket Chucky, but...
00:41:06
Speaker
Man, the research was getting me pumped. i love a good person at a computer looking shit up. I just love seeing, you know, the little articles of Andy come up and then how it said, like, Kent Academy. um All those little details. I loved it.
00:41:22
Speaker
Yes, this movie is hitting buttons. This movie was working for me, ah like, with all of it. The more it was, like, tying into child's play, even though, like, you know that it's it's got Chucky's name in it, so you know it's a part of these movies, like, the movie doesn't necessarily, like, ah exclaim that it's a part of the same continuity that we've been watching.
00:41:49
Speaker
But yeah, the more it's like tying things around and acknowledging. I'm like, I love that we're acknowledging these movies because like Seed and Bride didn't really spend any time acknowledging.
00:42:01
Speaker
mean, Chucky's been through a lot and he doesn't talk about it. Yeah, it was just a completely different storyline. it was funny. And back to what you said with um with ah Barbara just not hiding her affair to start off.
00:42:19
Speaker
um You know, she's full on making out with Jill in the kitchen. Yeah. And it's like, okay, I know your husband is sleeping already. But, you know, he easily could have gotten up to get a drink of water, maybe leftover chili if it was there. And you're just at that point where you don't give a fuck. um She's clearly the the more dominant one in that relationship. well They're going through a divorce, right?
00:42:45
Speaker
Or did I just project that onto the movie? I think you projected that onto the movie. Okay, because at a certain point, he does like mention, I've been recording you again, we'll get to that.
00:42:57
Speaker
but fuck Let's just say it now. He, um you know, he, they were having a little argument, him and Barbara, and he does say, um you know, if I do find out or if I can prove that you're having an affair with the nanny, I can take Alice away from you. So that was, I think that's where he got it from.
00:43:17
Speaker
Yeah, so, like, maybe they're going through a divorce. I, like, thought they were divorced the whole time. Then re-watching it, I'm like, well, no. Their dynamic isn't, like, fully made clear. At least to me. Maybe I didn't, like, pay attention enough, but it was, like, kind of gray. Because at first I thought he was Nika's sister. i had to like, rewind it twice, like...
00:43:39
Speaker
Who is this guy? Why does he just walk around or walk in here? And why is he flirting with the nanny? I thought he was like just a deadbeat brother.
00:43:50
Speaker
I mean, he kind of looks the part. He does. Yeah, or I mean, at least to me, I didn't think they were going through a divorce. You could just clearly see that they're not in love with each other. And he just seems like, you know, that oblivious husband.
00:44:06
Speaker
I mean, he's knocked out for half of the the film anyway. is, yeah. yeah He's just sleeping all the... He gets up from the couch where he was sleeping just to sleep in the bed later.
00:44:20
Speaker
Yeah, it was it he he didn't need to be in here. I don't know. Yeah. Going down the line, you know, Nika finds Chucky just sitting next to ian and brings him tries to bring him upstairs to Alice gets stuck in the elevator.
00:44:39
Speaker
And he fucking chops her leg. Not off, but he does. mean Does he chop her leg? No, he just cuts her leg because he has a little knife. Chuckie has a little knife with him. And that that yeah that elevator scene was just funny. um i I thought that was a beautiful elevator, but it's the little details that are getting me.
00:45:00
Speaker
Apparently they had a lot of issues with that elevator on set. Oh, believe it. It wasn't working sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. I believe it, definitely. um It looks so faulting, too, anyway. They probably... um No.
00:45:13
Speaker
I wonder if they built it just for the movie or if it was already in the house. They probably had to have built it. That would have been a nice find Yeah, I'm assuming they they built it for the film.
00:45:25
Speaker
yeah And then even once a Nika gets out and you know she runs into Barbara um and Alice, and then they kind of start talking about her medical condition there, I thought that scene could have been skipped a little bit because who it's like, okay, we clearly see she's at a disadvantage we're how many minutes into this movie? Why are you guys starting to talk about something here that like, if you wanted to bring it up, you could have brought it up in the beginning of the movie. Um, so I thought that was just unnecessary.
00:46:01
Speaker
Yeah, this is what I meant by like the the pacing issues I was having. like like, guys, why are we like slowing down so much for like characters that ah they should be more interesting if we're hearing them talk this much about themselves and what's happening in there their lives?
00:46:20
Speaker
Yeah, and i think around this part, maybe a little earlier, was where i was starting to lose interest in watching it again. Just thinking, dang, you know, I i said i love this film and I was going into watching this and it's been a while since I've watched it um thinking, you know, I really did love this film. And now I'm starting to not love this film.
00:46:47
Speaker
um But, you know, I just don't love the second half of this film. There was so much extra fluff in here that really didn't need to be in there. and once we get to the point where, you know, they they're all trying to go to sleep, most of them anyway, and Jill and...
00:47:09
Speaker
ah Barbara are having their little provocative zoom call while Barbara is literally in the same bed as her sleeping husband. They literally don't give a fuck about anything happening or anyone finding them.
00:47:25
Speaker
Barbara's in the same bed. They think that Allison is also in the same bed, but before that happens is when Allison and Chucky are under the covers together. And yeah it's like storming out. And does Allison like flash a flashlight in Chucky's face to make it look so scary and white? i was like, oh God. yeah Yeah. Yeah.
00:47:48
Speaker
ah was like, that's where his face looked horrible. I, like, loved it. I was like, that's just the scariest face. Like, this under-the-cover thing, I don't know if it was, like, the sixth sense that it reminded me of, like, with the girl puking in the tent, but or if they there was an under-the-cover scene in that movie. It's been a while since I've seen it, but I, like, got vibes of that movie um watching it, but...
00:48:13
Speaker
Yeah, that's Chucky's full reveal. um a lot of these movies tend to really like the the point where things like pivot is centered around like a reveal of Chucky. And while it wasn't too crazy, i did I did quite enjoy it for the creepiness.
00:48:30
Speaker
Yeah, you know, you already have ah the background of, you know, a thunderstorm outside. This kid is terrified and just hides under her blanket.
00:48:41
Speaker
and all of a sudden, Chucky just looks completely different. He had so many different looks in this film. um This is where his face just looks really sunken in And, you know, he comes to life, starts swearing at Allison.
00:48:55
Speaker
And now you know, okay, well... that's a Yeah, the the pacing is very slow. And even when ji gets killed, i timed it and that was 50 minutes and 12 seconds into the movie.
00:49:10
Speaker
Like that was some really slow pacing. like I know they were... a little They weren't even that slow with the death scenes in the original Child's Play because you think that Brad Dwarf's character is dead in there in the beginning, but he's not. You know he's not. um But then Maggie, she's killed slightly in the beginning, and then you know the body count just kind of...
00:49:37
Speaker
rises at ah at a decent pace. This one, you had the first one in the beginning and then fucking 50 minutes later, that's when this next kill is. So her her death was super boring in my opinion.
00:49:51
Speaker
Yeah, I wasn't too big of a fan of her death either. This is after, yeah, because she's doing her like weird sex cam thing a couple rooms over from the wife.
00:50:03
Speaker
They think it's like, Barb, you're a bad parent. like This nanny's like sleeping in the same room as your kid and you're okay with this. It's like so weird. She has like no clothes on. um Yeah.
00:50:16
Speaker
I wasn't too big of a fan, but ah Chucky, he's there standing. i always loved to see him stand. He wasn't on top of anything, but he was standing and he kicks over a bucket, which gets like ah outlet wet that has a cable in it and it just fries her basically. And yeah, i wasn't too crazy about her death either.
00:50:40
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, i know they were trying to cut the power in the house, but that could have just gone along with, you know, the storm. they could have... could just cut the power Or that too. Yeah. um her Her death was just stupid. I no i didn't like it.
00:50:58
Speaker
But yeah, after that, that's when Barbara and Ian have that little argument because she claims she's going to go check on Alice and he's thinking, no, you're going to go check on Jill, even though Jill is in the same room with her.
00:51:11
Speaker
So then, yeah, sex camming her. Exactly. um You find out that Ian put a little camera in Chucky's overalls so he can keep an eye on them to see if ah she is cheating on him or not.
00:51:25
Speaker
And how was Chucky not aware of this? I'm sure he knew. he he he didn't care. was just, you know... Like, okay, i don't have time to fucking prove your point right. But, I mean, he does catch them in the act ah downstairs anyway. So, um yeah, and at that point, too, this is where Nika finds out that Chucky is Charles Lee Ray, and Charles Lee Ray was the guy from that film. Yeah.
00:51:53
Speaker
So this is where we get to one of my we get to one of my favorite parts of the movie right here. It's ah right after Barb leaves the room after arguing with her husband and right after Nika finds out about Charles Lee Ray, they kind of meet in the little foyer, I don't know, whatever you would call it, the like a little center of the household area where like the elevator is, but Nika can't get up because the power's out.
00:52:20
Speaker
And they start arguing. Barb's like, did you know about the thing inside the doll? And then it's like an actual, like, who's on first bit that I like, in Bride of Chucky, made a joke about mistaking for There being a who's on first bit in that movie. There's an actual who's on first bit in this movie.
00:52:41
Speaker
And ah I really appreciated it because it's like, did you know about the thing in the doll? It's like, did you know about the thing? it's like Yeah, the thing. What thing? No, the thing. and it's like the One of them is talking about a camera in the doll and one of them is talking about the soul of Charles Lee Ray being in the doll. and I was just so delighted. That's another scene where I rewound it. I tried to find it on YouTube because I wanted to send it to you and I kind of want to post it ah when this episode drops, but I couldn't find it. but
00:53:15
Speaker
Goddamn, like... that That was a ah very well-written argument. Shout-out to Don Mancini.
Confrontation and Performance Debate
00:53:22
Speaker
Okay, well, now I can see why they did that because that scene actually annoyed me. um I was just thinking, why don't you just say, you know, the doll's alive. I notice every adult when they do notice that Chucky is, well, i don't I don't want to say every adult.
00:53:40
Speaker
Karen, once she knew that Chucky was alive, she flat out said Chucky's alive. In this one, she was just, um or sorry, Nika, once she found out that you know Charles Lee Ray is in the doll, instead of saying you know the doll's alive, she just says, you know put the doll down. You don't understand this and this and this. And it was pissing me off. just Just fucking say it. No, they they might not believe you, but at least they're not going to go into this blindly. But now that you said that, it was more so for that reference.
00:54:13
Speaker
I understand it now, but it still annoys me. But I mean, even Andy in the previous movies was like it's Chucky. He's a serial killer. And everyone was like, you're fucking crazy, Andy. Go off into a military school. We hate you.
00:54:26
Speaker
Your third movie sucks. Yeah, he tried. Yeah. No, you don't get a good third movie because you keep complaining about this doll. We're all tired of you. Yeah, and i just found it funny, too, because, you know, how you were saying ah earlier, Don Mancini was saying, you know, everyone could easily kick Chucky, so let's have a girl in a wheelchair. I was thinking the same shit, too. You know, there's a point where Nika fucking bitch slaps Chucky, essentially, and no one else can do that.
00:54:58
Speaker
Yeah, we're already at a point where, you know, Jill's dead. Then you have Barbara with Chucky going up to look for her daughter.
00:55:09
Speaker
and then In the attic. Yeah, and she gets a good look at Chucky. For 30 minutes. Yeah. Just stares at him for fucking ever. I was like, oh my god, I don't have my face near any object this long.
00:55:28
Speaker
Yeah, and you see there's something up with his face, and then she starts picking at it, and then you see all of his scarring, which, you know, I can appreciate that detail, but even in this one, when he takes off all of the makeup that he had on, he looks different. his His face looks smaller in some scenes, and I don't know if that was CGI itself, but...
00:55:54
Speaker
I did not like it. liked the way he looked in curse or not curse um and Bride of Chucky the most. Right when Tiffany stapled them all together, where you thought it looked gross, I thought that's when he looked the best out of this um second half of the franchise.
00:56:11
Speaker
I get it. I wonder if they had to make a new puppet or animatronic for any reason. I know in um a lot of bigger movies, they change the look of different characters and things for merchandising.
00:56:25
Speaker
ah so I don't know if that was maybe like Universal, whoever being like, give them a slightly different look so we can make different Chucky toys that people will buy now. but um So I'm curious what the justification behind them, like, not just doing the same thing is.
00:56:40
Speaker
But again, it it worked for me in this movie, especially because, like, he loses his whole body in Seed of Chucky. But then this movie really doesn't make it clear if it's even including Seed of Chucky. There's kind of a Seed of Chucky erasure going on here that I don't really appreciate that we'll get into at the very end of the movie.
00:57:01
Speaker
But, uh... yeah, they don't really make it clear. Like, I mean, he's got the stitches, so it's like, it can't be a different body. So yeah, I don't understand why they would choose to change the look. I wouldn't have had an issue if they kept the same look, but I guess I'm just saying like, I don't really like share the complaint that I'm sure most people share because I'm,
00:57:22
Speaker
pretty I would be surprised if like people were all around satisfied with this look. People usually hate when things are changed or slightly different. So I would believe if the common consensus was we hate this look.
00:57:37
Speaker
i there are some scenes I could overlook it, but majority of the time i was just sitting there. Wow. I hate this. I hate this fucking look on him. i don't love the way he looks on the cover of ah Cult of Chucky.
00:57:54
Speaker
I'm kind of worried about this. He looks bad, you think? Yeah, he looks terrible on that. Yeah. I do want to say, too, because i I went into this one completely blind, unlike any of the other Chucky movies, any other movie we've pretty much covered on this podcast.
00:58:10
Speaker
I went into this one completely blind and can't say the same about Cult of Chucky because the commentary with Don Mancini kind of so spoiled a little bit of what that movie is going to be. So it would have been another completely blind watch if I didn't watch the commentary for this one.
00:58:29
Speaker
You're just too invested in trying to get all the details I'm not going to do that for every movie. These big franchises I'm going to ah probably care more about, though. Okay.
00:58:40
Speaker
But yeah, after Barbara sees that, you know, his scarring and then he comes to life, he fucking, he kills her by just cutting out her eyeball, which, ew.
00:58:55
Speaker
He like stabs her really fucking hard in the eye. That kill upset me. I like was really, i don't like eye stuff. don't either because then he steps on it when he goes downstairs.
00:59:06
Speaker
Yeah. ah And Barb's body, i did like Barb's body in the doorway as Nico was watching it from the stairways. This is, I think, where you were talking to another like shot, POV shot of like looking up at something.
00:59:21
Speaker
But um we were like looking up at Barb's like body kind of walk around it and that really like kind of chilled me a little bit. um These movies are like pretty effective.
00:59:32
Speaker
Yeah, definitely. Nika sees that ah she's dead. Chucky is now coming after her. She goes to wake up Ian, who had earplugs in his ear, so he was able to sleep through all this fucking commotion going on.
00:59:49
Speaker
So oblivious. He does suck. Is this why fucking women hate men because of the Ians of the world? Yeah, exactly. I was just about to be like men, just like any other men, so oblivious. And they just slept through everything.
01:00:07
Speaker
Mercy, let me ask you this. Am I an Ian? a I don't think so, because I feel like I feel like you.
01:00:18
Speaker
I did have to think about that one. But I have to think about that about every guy. um No, I feel like you would be too invested in a situation and you know, kind of...
01:00:30
Speaker
over thinking a lot of things because both of us over think a lot of things. So I feel like you would be really invested in whatever was going on, especially if you were in this situation.
01:00:42
Speaker
i don't know how this guy just was sleeping knowing damn well he is this close to catching his wife having an affair. so i Well, he's got the camera doing all the work for him. That's why he put the camera in, so he can get some shut-eye.
01:00:57
Speaker
um I do want to say, too, I would like to believe that maybe I could be convinced of the serial killer doll. I think that about a lot of things, though, like I forgot what episode we were on, but i was saying, you know, if something were to happen to me or if I were to witness something and I would tell my husband about it, he wouldn't believe me unless he saw it.
01:01:23
Speaker
And you said you agree you would need, you know, like that physical evidence. So I don't know if I can believe you on this. To an extent, because I i want to say, i hope I said this in that episode, and hopefully I'm not repeating myself, but I'm going to say it again.
01:01:37
Speaker
Watching Smile, I was like, I could reasonably believe, like, you know, if there's some inexplicable weirdness, if someone, you know, I see something weird on the news, someone, like, does something outlandish, or one of my friends is, like, going through something wild or behaving wild,
01:01:55
Speaker
ah they They could reasonably be dealing with a smile monster. You never know. you think you did say that, actually. There could be smile monsters out there. You never know what people are going through, Mercedes.
01:02:10
Speaker
You never do, but that's why i assume the worst of everybody. Oh, yeah, you you actually would be someone that could be bought over, I think is what you're saying.
01:02:21
Speaker
or at least you would want to be convinced, or you would want people to be convinced if you were going through something. Yeah. Would you show me the same that same respect if I came to you and I was like, there's a guy with a glove chasing me in my dreams?
01:02:37
Speaker
Would you be like, Nick, you're crazy? No, I'd probably be like, yo, I had a dream like that two nights ago. ah so have you seen Nightmare on Elm Street recently?
01:02:50
Speaker
I was actually watching um today the kill count um of Freddy vs. Jason today, so that's funny that you brought that up.
01:03:02
Speaker
If we do the Fridays, Friday the 13th, we'll be doing Freddy vs. Jason. yeah um F of EJ, Dawn of Justice.
01:03:14
Speaker
I actually won't be looking forward to the Friday the 13th movies, but yes, though that those are some blind spots that we do need to cover. i've never yeah I've never seen them, but I heard one has a James Bond intro. and you know Maybe I'll like it more than any James Bond movie I've ever seen, because I don't give a shit about James Bond.
01:03:35
Speaker
Yeah, probably. um i never heard anything of that, but i just know after a while, the Jason movie sucks, or the Jason movies suck. I think that's James Bond, right? ah Kind of?
01:03:54
Speaker
Maybe. You were off key. ah Damn. Well, wow. Wow. That's what you get for leaving me silent for 2.5 seconds 10 seconds ago. I was busy playing that song in my head that I just did for everybody. I had my mind was elsewhere.
01:04:14
Speaker
I'm sorry. It's okay. It's okay. If I sing on here, I'm probably going to be off key and it's going to be terrible. And I apologize to the future listeners. or that listen I'm taking the risks.
01:04:26
Speaker
I'm going off the deep end for for the lulls so these listeners can really... Get some value out of my end of this thing, frankly. But, I mean, we talked about this off mic, a little peek behind the curtain again.
01:04:42
Speaker
i was personally nervous going into this one because I was like, I want to do this movie the justice. I want to give the Curse of Chucky fans you something to latch on to. And I want Don Mancini to like me.
01:04:55
Speaker
Jumping back into this because there's not too much left um just to kind of summarize it. And if there's like a big detail that I forget before we get into the real good stuff, ah just chime in. um But yeah, Nika and Ian, they're looking for Alice.
01:05:12
Speaker
Nika's waiting for Ian um while she's in the garage. Chucky pops up out of nowhere. And how does Nika pass out again? like doesn't she black out or oh yeah because something happened with her heart and ian didn't give her the little injection but um yeah he he ties her up in her wheelchair he's watching the nanny cam that he put in chucky's clothes and that's when he sees chucky's point of view of everything where alice is hiding wherever the fuck he hit her he sees ah
01:05:45
Speaker
jill and barbara's little affair in the kitchen he sees himself sleeping and then it goes to like the live feed and then chucky does his his death scene which you said you didn't like right ian's death scene yeah uh i didn't have much issue with it i don't really remember much at all except he gets like an axe to the back right He gets it to like his mouth.
01:06:11
Speaker
Oh, yeah. That is what happens. I remember now. Yeah, that was very gross and upsetting. That was a lot. I was like, holy fuck. I didn't expect that. um Yeah, that really bothered me.
01:06:26
Speaker
was like, that looked painful. i hope that never happens to me. You hope I never get my, what was it? The the piercing you had? ah the LaBray.
01:06:37
Speaker
The LaBray piercing, I hope no one ever rips it out. I hope no one ever chops my tongue in a half. No one ever shoves an axe in my mouth. Yeah.
01:06:48
Speaker
Full strength. Yeah, that was that was gross. I think I was... strong, man. He is, and I think... No, I think I was more disturbed with him fucking chopping Nika's leg with the axe, um and it's just stuck in her leg.
01:07:07
Speaker
I know she doesn't feel it, but it still is just like, God, that like it's almost more upsetting that it's like you can't feel it. Right. Something so intense happening to your body. Yeah.
01:07:18
Speaker
That part so disturbing. And then she fucking decapitates Chucky like nothing after bitch slapping him. He is able to, you know, attach his head back together and comes after her, but goes into this entire fucking explanation on how he had ah thing for her mother.
01:07:42
Speaker
And then it just goes to like the video footage. Well, this is after Chucky pushes her from the second floor down to the first floor. That was amusing to watch. I was like, is she dead? What the fuck? And she's like, the shot of her falling is like kind of cool and kind of funny, too. I liked that. That was hilarious.
01:08:01
Speaker
Yeah, Chucky's a real fucking menace, man. He's a problem. We got to get this guy off the streets. Are people working on the Chucky problem right now? like is Who's dealing with Chucky right now as we speak? Where is he?
01:08:16
Speaker
Do we know his whereabouts? And why isn't he in jail? Because of voodoo, that is why. Because of Jennifer Tilly. Yeah, exactly. We're her whereabouts. Does anyone know where Jennifer Tilly is?
01:08:32
Speaker
Lock her up, too. We'll get there. We'll get there. um Yeah, like, Nika's just... face down on the floor and she's just oh this was the detail that made me laugh because she as chucky comes downstairs she's just like you're charles lee ray and he says my friends call me chucky so even he likes to be called chucky not charles but they started that off though you're charles lee ray you are corrects them
01:09:03
Speaker
You are Charles Lee Ray. But he just corrects them. Yes, I am. Yes, I am Charles Lee Ray, he says, he says. But he corrects them and wants to be called Chucky.
01:09:16
Speaker
Anyway, so, um yeah, he goes into the whole flashback of how he he knew the mom, he met Barbara, he, you know, kind of...
01:09:27
Speaker
kind of What I'm assuming was was infatuated with the mom. A nice little touch that um my husband um pointed out too was in the flashback when they're at that little barbecue party thing, whatever.
01:09:40
Speaker
um And they show him ah as a human. His sunglasses were Ray-Ban or Ray-Bans, that brand. So was like, oh, I like that. Charles Lee Ray, Ray-Ban. Like, that was cool. um But ah yeah, then he...
01:09:57
Speaker
pretty much abducts the mom and is saying you know he wants to you know be a family with her and her daughters. He stabs her because she called the police on him.
01:10:09
Speaker
This is after you make the assumption that he's killed off her husband. and There's a deleted scene actually where he abducts her husband.
01:10:22
Speaker
Right, right. I saw that one. it would have made sense to put that in here. I don't know if they like clearly explain it or if I just heard in the commentary, but her getting stabbed in the stomach is the reason why Nika is paralyzed.
01:10:40
Speaker
She says um or asks, like, oh, you did this to me, um or is it because of you? i I'm like this, or something like that. So, yeah, they do have that tiny detail in there.
01:10:51
Speaker
Yeah, so Chucky's saying, you know, i I've killed so many people and now I'm going to finish off killing you And Nika just kind of spins it around and is like, but you never actually killed Andy Barkley. So, you know, you're kind of left with a loose end there. Just taunting him a little bit.
01:11:13
Speaker
Yeah, she calls it completion anxiety. Yeah, and apparently that was her whole cycle back to the the beginning where she was talking to the porn FedEx guy.
01:11:24
Speaker
Yeah, that I don't know. That explanation was kind of dumb to me. But they have their full-on battle scene. um I actually forgot how that part ended.
01:11:36
Speaker
She gets Chucky in the elevator and ends up stabbing him. And then after she stabs him, Chucky comes back to life for a quick second. And ah Nika screams. And, God, the face that she makes when she screams, this, like, last shot of her, like...
01:11:54
Speaker
in the elevator in the house. I fucking loved it. I love a good horror scream. I love the face that she makes. ah Shout out to Fiona Doreff. She hit that scream out of the park. And yeah, then the cop runs in and Chucky had quickly like ah toy storied himself off in the corner.
01:12:14
Speaker
And just like, you know, she was like, it's the doll. The doll did it. And the cop's like, you're crazy, lady. And carts her off to jail.
01:12:25
Speaker
And there's a deleted scene in here where he's got her in the back of ah the police car. And he's being a total yeah dick to her. Like, you're fucking... Yeah, he's like, you're a fucking bitch lady. There's a special place in hell. And it's like, Jesus Christ, guy what happened until to innocent ah what happened to innocent until proven guilty? You're like not being professional at all in this case. like You're giving your your two cents ah about this whole thing. And he yeah he goes on this whole story about um how they dismembered
01:13:00
Speaker
uh the criminally insane in egypt and it was basically it's like i hope that happens to you and god it's like so over the top but none of that's in the movie guys because it was so random um i'm happy that part wasn't in the room movie Yeah, there's like six deleted scenes, and I understand why they cut out every single one. um They add a little bit more like context to what's happening. like The hide-and-seek game is explained a little bit more, and the affair, I want to say, has a little bit more going on to it.
01:13:33
Speaker
But it's all stuff that's complete where it's completely understandable why they cut it out. And also, um before we get too far away from this, there's a moment where Nika's getting in the elevator and Chucky's chasing her at the end.
01:13:50
Speaker
And Fiona Dorff pointed this out in the commentary. She moves her legs. It's the only part in the movie where she, like, is caught moving her legs. Yeah, yeah. um even what was it?
01:14:03
Speaker
There was a scene in there where she I think she was checking on Alice or something. And the way she kind of moved back from, because she had only cracked the door open just to you know a glance in the room.
01:14:21
Speaker
And when she moved away to close the door, it just looked a little too swift as if she was walking and not rolling. So I don't know. I found that to be like a little miss on their part too, but I could be overthinking that as well.
01:14:38
Speaker
Yeah, it it must be hard, man. they ah You mentioned that she played a paraplegic on ah a Hallmark Channel movie, right? Yeah, she played ah someone in a wheelchair in a Hallmark Channel show, and that's how she ended up getting the role of Nika, because originally she auditioned for Barb.
01:14:59
Speaker
Maybe I did say that. I know she originally um ah originally auditioned for Barbara, but I don't know. My my memory is... yeah Let's not get into that. but It's been a long episode, but we're we're rolling near the end of the plot.
01:15:15
Speaker
I did want to say, too, you had mentioned people were like wondering, oh, did she only get the role because Brad Dorff is her dad? it's like guys she was on true bloods and she was in the master a paul thomas anderson movie like no offense to like the chucky franchise but both of those seem like higher profile gigs than the sixth installment of a horror franchise again like no offense to chucky or anyone involved in it but it's like this isn't nepotism
01:15:48
Speaker
I don't like the, and also thematically, it's just kind of cool. Like having like the father, like daughter, like like her coming into this franchise. I find it like very endearing.
01:16:00
Speaker
Like M. Night Shyamalan, like his relationship with his kids and having them in movies too. Like I find it like pretty endearing. Like why would you not like help your kid out a little bit if you could? It's a fucking impossible industry to break into.
01:16:14
Speaker
Yeah, and then she does mention, too, that she had to audition quite a few times before they actually gave her that role. um But, um you know, I thought it was cute because Don Mancini was saying, you know...
01:16:30
Speaker
um throughout all of the movies, um you know, they saw her grow up essentially because she was on set, ah you know, visiting her dad. And then for this one, um whenever ah Brad Dourif, like he he does all of his voiceovers in the beginning of filming, and then he doesn't really have i would I wouldn't say much to do, but um he doesn't have to be on set anymore after that.
01:16:58
Speaker
But he was on set every day that ah Fiona was filming. So I thought that was super cute, too. Nice. Did he do on set line readings with her as Chucky? Usually they have someone off camera who will be doing the line just so they have the actor has somebody to play off of.
01:17:16
Speaker
I don't think he did. i think she was trying to get him or someone else to actually say the line when she had her scenes with Chucky with the doll.
01:17:27
Speaker
But they they just kept saying no. So they would just keep playing the recording of Braddorf's voice. One thing I found kind of interesting in just watching supplemental material for this episode in this movie, was watching a lot of interviews with Don Mancini in particular just to hear what he had to say about this movie.
01:17:50
Speaker
And goddammit, one, he had to be interviewed by a lot of fucking weirdos. There's a lot of weirdos who have YouTube channels like that are around horror movies. like Sorry, not sorry to YouTubers, but like...
01:18:02
Speaker
don't be weird like when you're you're interviewing somebody like people were like holding the Chucky doll and being like really strange with it at times I was like okay guys like chill out and then two the only questions people had to ask of him were fucking shit involving like the first child's play movie. It's like, guys, that's so long ago. That's probably so talked about. Like talk about the movie that yeah he's there to talk about. God, it frustrated me so much. These YouTube horror guys felt so bad for him and being a part of those done Mancini. Come on this podcast.
01:18:40
Speaker
Well, you'll be respected. Yeah. you know come on and please come to ours yeah talk about with any movie you want to talk you don't even have to talk about the chucky movies come over review you know 28 weeks later with us or something yeah yeah can we jump to the the better parts of the second half of this film now Yeah, well, we're we're pretty much at the end.
Jennifer Tilly's Return and Unanswered Questions
01:19:08
Speaker
can, like, yada yada it real quick. The cop, you know, Nika gets institutionalized. She has a good, like, last interaction with Chucky in the courtroom, really, like, losing her shit a little bit. Like, I know it's you. I know it's you. It's like, lady, like, you're making it look like you deserve to be where they're sending you. Like, you're not really helping your case.
01:19:30
Speaker
But, um... Yeah, right after they leave the courtroom, we're in a very we and a shot that looks kind of familiar a little bit. There's a cop walking out with a bag, and I was watching it, like, is this doing Bride of Chucky right now?
01:19:48
Speaker
Is that what we're watching? And spoilers ahead for the movie that we've been talking about for an hour and 25 minutes. um It is, bre they're doing Bride of Chucky. They were doing it. I was correct.
01:20:04
Speaker
And Jennifer Tilly comes out and they basically recreate the her intro in Bride of Chucky. so I mean, what did you think the fucking first time you saw all of this? Because, I mean, that probably matters more. You're like the diehard Chucky fan. You've been along this journey like...
01:20:25
Speaker
You've been along this journey since like the movies, since like child play came on theaters. I actually really enjoyed that. um Yeah. Seeing the whole, the cop, um you know, walking in the parking lot and he has the bag with Chucky in it.
01:20:43
Speaker
It's like, wait a minute. I saw this already. um I'm in the same movie. Right. Yeah. And I'm thinking, okay, well, then I guess Jennifer Tilly's coming back. And I just didn't expect her to be in the backseat.
01:20:55
Speaker
But yeah, you know, it was cool. she She got to, you know, cut his throat with the the little nail file and then talks to Chucky in the bag.
01:21:06
Speaker
Okay, who's next or whatever she said. And then they show her Again, in ah in a little post office, and she's getting ready to ship Chucky away, making all of her little jokes. um And I'm, like, losing my mind at home while all of this is happening. Like, what the fuck? Pointing to my notes, because at a certain point I had written down at the flashback scene, what does this mean for Jennifer Tilly and Tiffany?
01:21:36
Speaker
And then I'm like, what the fuck? She said that's all her shit. I'm like trying not to text you as I'm like watching because I'm like, I have to pay attention. have to see it all. Yeah. um I was just thinking like, wow. Okay. So they brought her back in.
01:21:52
Speaker
What the hell is she doing though? Who is she sending it to? Because... I didn't know who she would be sending him to. Like, okay, this was ah a random family, so to speak, um even though there was a connection with them. Yeah, she's just saying all her little cracks, like, oh, my mother always said you can't put a price on love. um And even when... You'd be surprised that it's not fragile, something like that.
01:22:17
Speaker
yeah. Yeah, and even the the employee was like, um do you want to put insurance on it? You know, it protects you and the recipient or something. And she's like, oh, I doubt that.
01:22:29
Speaker
And i was like, okay, that's a that's a cool little bit. And then- Post office lady seems like she's over Jennifer Tilly and her fucking shit. She's like, okay, lady, like, that's cute.
01:22:41
Speaker
Yeah, I feel like every post office employee is like that. Yeah. um So, yeah, she she ships it to Alice. And then, um you know, Alice is talking to Chucky when she comes home from school. And you would that Alice would...
01:22:58
Speaker
Bea kind of traumatized. You know, her mom and dad are dead and her nanny is dead. and Yeah, is she cool with Chucky? Chucky scared her under the blanket. Yeah, she didn't like that he was swearing. yeah with the hell? Because we really need to talk about this scene in particular because I have questions and I hope Cult of Chucky answers these questions.
01:23:19
Speaker
So Chucky's in the house and he does the voodoo chant on Alice. And then we're about to get into a scene after the voodoo chant. I do want to say, though, the fucking jump scare at the end has gotten me every time I've seen it.
01:23:33
Speaker
That fucking rules like Harry style jump scare. ah Like I dig it. Yeah. But yeah. Carrie or like, yeah, um that that's the real one, the the real end of movie jump scare that comes to mind when I think of an effective end of movie jump scare.
01:23:50
Speaker
But ah yeah, this one, it gets me every time. But he does the voodoo transfer to Alice. And then we see him later in this post credit scene, which I'll let you talk all about. I want you to talk about that one.
01:24:03
Speaker
But he's normal Chucky in that scene. So that voodoo chant, I'm like, either they don't understand what they were doing there and he they forgot that he transfers into Alice's body or he was doing something else there.
01:24:15
Speaker
And I don't know why he was doing that voodoo chant on Alice, but I hope Cult of Chucky doesn't ignore that because feel like that that was strange. I will leave that for a Cult of Chucky to explain.
01:24:29
Speaker
um Honestly, because i can't really remember everything from Cult because it it's been a while since I've watched it let me Let me not spoil that. But yeah, it was a little confusing too because my husband was saying, well, then what happened to the girl?
01:24:49
Speaker
Because he transfer the whole point was for him to transfer his body or his soul into her body. And then they go into the next scene. So he was even confused by it. and But it kind of leads into Cult of Chucky.
01:25:06
Speaker
in a way they also they don't explain at all what happens to alice from that under the cover scene like how did she get to her grandma's like yeah and all of that goes unexplained she like is fully removed from the movie and it's like they forgot to to write anything about her until the very end they oh fuck we forgot alice is in this movie um yeah her character was kind of Just so they can have. Oh, Jesus. Why are we fucking up our microphones so much more? So me in this episode.
01:25:38
Speaker
but Did you see me drop mine? Yes, I did. I felt better because I was thinking, OK, finally, he messed up and it wasn't um just me and my 50 million failed attempts to not hit my microphone.
01:25:53
Speaker
You know, they didn't know that I dropped the mic.
01:25:58
Speaker
But they heard all of the banging around of me hitting my mic. Yeah, you threw me under the bus in that one. You're like, fuck, I hit my mic. Also, guys, Nick has been fucking up his mic too.
01:26:12
Speaker
Because I don't want to be alone in this. I'm even trying to move away when I laugh because I know I laugh a lot. And then I thought I was doing a good job. But then one time I laughed really loud and I was dead in front of the microphone. So I apologize.
01:26:26
Speaker
It's okay. It gets smoothed out. The listeners won't even know. if They'll be like, what what is Mercedes talking about? This has been a flawless episode. No microphones were punched or fisted.
Humor and Ending Scenes
01:26:40
Speaker
Like, why does this... I got nothing. But yeah, it was a little weird with... it was little weird with the ending you you're just thinking okay well you know chucky finally fulfilled whatever he needed to do the prophecy has been fulfilled yeah you know he transfers his soul into another body and then they have the cool jump scare of you know her grandmother just popping up from the basement that was funny i love it i love it yeah that was that was creepy
01:27:12
Speaker
Yeah, then it goes to, you know, post-credits scene where they show um the fake UPS people and they're delivering a package to none on yeah none other than...
01:27:30
Speaker
Andy Barkley ah with the original person, Alex Vincent, reprising his role. And we get a good shot of his kitchen and it's still fucked up. It just breakfast everywhere. It's fucking ridiculous. I can't even get over this guy.
01:27:46
Speaker
Even as an adult, just no respect for the fucking staple, the American staple of breakfast. Do you even like breakfast though?
01:27:59
Speaker
I eat like a protein bar or two. So see, you can't even speak on the fact that you like breakfast that much that this offends you. um ah like toast.
01:28:12
Speaker
I don't mind toast. ah You can have toast any time of the day and it doesn't have to be breakfast. avocado toast, hard boiled egg. That can considered lunch. You can't handle the mature cuisines that I prepare breakfast. You were waiting to bring the ship back into it, weren't you? It didn't come to me until just now.
01:28:37
Speaker
Good timing. I like it. I like it. yeah You were very passionate about that too. had to derail it all because I was like, oh, wait, breakfast. No, no, I liked it. But, um yeah, I love this scene because right when he's about to open the package, his phone rings and it's his mom talking about his birthday.
01:28:59
Speaker
And then you hear him asking, you know, how's Mike? So we're assuming that she ended up with the the detective in the first movie. So that's amazing. And then you see a...
01:29:13
Speaker
feels like a conflict of interest. What? Can he lose his job for that? Oh. he's He's dating someone that's directly investigated or involved with a murder case he's investigating. That's a huge conflict of interest.
01:29:29
Speaker
No, I didn't even think about that. Yeah, Mike, come on, Mike. Shut up, like, don't kill the love story. The fans wanted them to be together. and Stop bringing logic into this. Is that what the fans wanted? I was thinking that. wanted that.
01:29:43
Speaker
I was like, what kind of fan service horse shit is this? I loved everything around it, but Mike? No, I was so happy that he said that. okay, they ended up together, great. Karen could do better. Trauma brings people together.
01:29:58
Speaker
She should be with that homeless guy who gave her the doll to begin with. Fuck you. Anyway. Anyway. um But no, you see the picture of ah Kyle. He has a picture of Kyle and then a picture of his mom and himself and even his diploma from ah Kent Academy. I thought all of that was such a cool background setting.
01:30:19
Speaker
And then you fucking see Chucky cutting his way out of the box and he he looks up, he looks around, he has like this maniacal little smile Getting ready to do whatever he has to do.
01:30:33
Speaker
And then he turns around and fucking... he... and directly has a fucking shotgun aimed at him i think that's what he had and then fucking shoots him um cut to black yeah what a fucking ending he was ready he was prepared vincent as alex barkley or what's his name andy alex vincent as andy barkley i fucked up that whole name yeah it's okay i fuck up everything
01:31:04
Speaker
but That's a fist punching moment. I was just punching the air. I was like, cool. It would have been better if ah he pulls out a shotgun and he's like, all right, baby, ready? And then fucking Kyle comes out too with a shotgun. And then she takes the shot because she's a much cooler character. Well, you couldn't call her babe. That's his sister. That's not his sister. That's his foster sister. They were foster sisters for like an hour.
01:31:32
Speaker
They share the dynamic of being a brother and sister. I don't know. ah Maybe, or
Franchise Enthusiasm and Podcast Impact
01:31:40
Speaker
even better, he's got the shotgun out and he's like, all right, babe.
01:31:45
Speaker
And then Shelton walks out. Well, Shelton's dead. Oh yeah, true.
01:31:55
Speaker
What i was gonna say had a picture of him and Shelton together, but I was like, wait, yeah, he was dead. up for That could have happened. God damn it. damn it God damn it, Don Mancini. Why'd you kill off the best character this franchise had to offer?
01:32:10
Speaker
I know, shit. ah um But yeah no, the that was such a great ending. Like, yeah, the movie, it had a ah slow pace in the middle. And to me, a lot of excess fluff in there that could have been omitted. But the the ending, once they brought back Jennifer Tilly and then Alex Vincent, fucking great. i That just pulled it all together for me and made me love the film again.
01:32:38
Speaker
I know. I give this movie four stars. That ending is enough to put it to four and a half, but I was and that like, that middle chunk and the characters like still being kind of flat aren't enough to elevate it up there for me, but goddammit, this is a strong horror entry. This is a strong entry into the Chucky franchise.
01:33:00
Speaker
I don't want to give away um my ranking, but yeah, i was I was being serious when I said this is really making me reevaluate my entire list now. My entire ranking of the Charles franchise.
01:33:13
Speaker
who Yeah, this, this one's a really good one. I like it. It's high up there still. i would at least give it four stars for solid stars. um It's ah it's such a good ass movie. I hope you guys watched it already. And if not, I hope this episode makes you want to watch it.
01:33:32
Speaker
I know. Hopefully. i have a feeling some of these later entry movies, people might be listening to them without actually watching the movie. And if that's the case, I hope we sold it to you guys. Like, go out and watch this thing. I don't know where it's streaming. I own the box set, so that's how I ended up watching it. But...
01:33:51
Speaker
However you can, go check this thing out, especially if you had watched every... I feel like people might have stopped watching after Bride of Chucky or after Seed of Chucky.
01:34:03
Speaker
And if you did that, I can't speak for Cult of Chucky, but go watch Curse, man. It's a rewarding experience. It rewards you as a fan of this franchise. And when I was done watching it, that's when I actually like realized, like damn, I think I am a full-on fan of this franchise. like it It's got more hits than misses. I had to really think about my life.
01:34:27
Speaker
had to reflect. um But yeah. She does that to you. chucky does charles lee ray himself he has touched me in multiple places um multiple times yeah good good good good film good franchise um We got one more coming, ah Cult of Chucky. And then also, too, I did want to mention, um even outside of the Chucky franchise, um I did get some feedback from a buddy the other day. he did say...
01:35:06
Speaker
You know, he's not a big podcast person, but, you know, he's trying to support what we got going here. And he listened to the Green Room episode and was like, I actually really want to watch that film now because it sounds fucking cool. I'm like, dude.
01:35:21
Speaker
Please watch it. Like it was such a fucked up movie. um And he he was just like explaining everything that we were talking about. So he he really got into it. So if we can at least reach him to where it's a person who isn't for podcasts, never even seen that movie, but listened to that episode and now wants to watch that movie. Hopefully he does watch that movie.
01:35:47
Speaker
You know, we're we're getting somewhere. and Yeah. Hell yeah. Shout out to that guy, whatever his name is. Let's call him... Nameless listener. Vlad.
01:35:59
Speaker
vlad Vladimir. Good old Vladimir. Not yeah and not Putin. That's not who we're talking about either.
01:36:10
Speaker
um but i mean It might be. Who knows? Maybe awful people listen to this podcast. um and Are we the ones who should stop them? Maybe.
01:36:21
Speaker
but ah i did want i need all the listeners. I did want to say too where we have two more movies left. Wait, two more. but he The remake as well.
01:36:34
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Fuck, I forgot. I know. That one, I feel like we got to just load it with tangents. Okay. That one's going to be fast and loose. We'll do our Charles rankings too in that one.
01:36:48
Speaker
That'll give us like more beef. um That'll be more of wrap-up episode of the whole thing. I am so curious to see what the fuck that thing is, though. I feel like ah it's like almost required viewing at this point since we've been along this ride for so long.
01:37:08
Speaker
I completely forgot about
Teasers and Audience Engagement
01:37:10
Speaker
that, too. About the remake? Yeah, and I've seen it um i This is going to be interesting watching it again because first time i watched it, um I hated it.
01:37:23
Speaker
And then i saw a few reviews on it and one guy, ah Cody Leach, I love his shit. Guys, go watch Cody Leach. He is actually a good YouTuber.
01:37:33
Speaker
He... he if I'm not mistaking him with someone else he actually liked the remake and defended it and I'm gonna feel stupid if I got this wrong but yeah I think he defended it so now wanna see if I can look at it from that perspective I probably still won't like it but i don't know we'll see What if we did like it? I feel like the remakes They're good episodes for us to really just cut loose and do whatever the fuck we want.
01:38:08
Speaker
But ah I feel like, yeah the completionist side of me, I'm like, I've got to fucking see what this thing is and see if it's worth a shit.
01:38:20
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01:39:12
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