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Terrifier 2
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Join Nicholas and Mercedes as they discuss Terrifier 2! The absolutely vile (in all the best ways!) sequel to Damien Leone's underground horror success, Terrifier.
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Introduction & Hosts' Banter
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Drop on by the Clown Cafe. Drop on by the Clown Cafe. The grub is downright gruesome, but your appetites obey.
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Cause food's a little funny. Food's a little funny. Food's a little funny at the Clown Cafe.
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What is up, guys? We are back. We are Morbid Curiosities. And here with me is my dope co-host, the nefarious necromancer.
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Nicholas Ewers. And might I say, mighty fine job on that intro. What are you talking about? That was all you. Yeah, i I fucking dig it.
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um ah Hell yeah. That was fantastic. I'm like speechless right now. I'm blown away. No, that was going to be my bit. I was going to say, bang up job on that intro, man. Acting like that was you singing. Oh, yeah i sorry for stepping on your bit.
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It's okay. It's fine. Might I say, thank you for calling me dope. I don't know if I've been called that before, but that's very, very kind. I'm going to save this recording, and when I get a text, it's going to just be like my dope co-host, and it's going to be an ego boost for me.
00:02:37
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You shouldn't have done that. I meant to say dopey, my dopey co-host. dopey like the like the what is he snow whites little guy yeah well i don't know if we can say that word anymore oh well whatever but he he was my favorite little character in there i don't know why people diss on him he he's cool he's cute he's dopey There's a very dopey-esque character, not to have a sloppy segue into the movie we're talking about.
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There's a very dopey-esque character in this movie by the name of Jonathan. i know. yeah He's very adorable, actually, this Jonathan character.
Initial Thoughts on Terrifier 2
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But today, guys, where if you've been listening, we're deep into the Terrifier movies. We've been living with Art the Clown, been kind of enjoying our time over here.
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And today we're covering Terrifier 2. Spoilers ahead. um Mercedes, was there something you wanted to start off the conversation with? I want to know your initial thoughts on this because this was your first time watching this movie. So I'm really excited to hear what you have to say. About Terrifier Tea. Okay.
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Throwing me to the wolves. ah got to I got to. If you guys have been listening, I've been pretty hyped on Damien Leone's work with these past two movies, All Hallows' Eve. um Story-wise, wasn't too hot on it. Wasn't too much of a story there.
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But still found a lot to appreciate. Terrifier 1, the movie, think I liked a than most movies. the first movie i think i' like a lot more than most people the letterboxd reviews i was reading after watching it seemed kind of mixed or uh the tomato meter on rotten tomatoes was pretty positive so i kind of strike that from the record a little bit but terrifier i enjoyed quite a bit really really found
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a lot to dig there um i had a feeling terrifier 2 was going to be a step up and i was correct i'm kind of taken back and surprised by how much heart this movie has i really latched on to the characters in a way i didn't expect to in a way i don't know if people tend to with these movies these like kill fest, these gory bloodbath, some would call them torture porn type of movies where, mean, there are bodies getting absolutely mutilated throughout this thing and none of them really quite have any heart to it. And I found a lot there with Sienna and her mom, Barbara and her friends and her brother, Jonathan
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it It was kind of a little bit of a comfort watch whenever art wasn't on screen absolutely brutalizing human flesh and meat and bones in increasingly horrific ways. But I really dug this movie.
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i I'm excited to get more into it when we fully unravel the plot, but... This adds more lore. I appreciated that a lot. I was reading some reviews and hearing Damon Leone talk about how the lore rubbed people the wrong way.
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And I mean, guys, what what are you crazy? Maybe I'm the crazy one, but give me more lore. Give me more of this shit. Tell me what's up with this demon clown. Tell me what's up with Sienna and her father and these drawings and his connection to all of this. I want to know more.
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And as the movie was feeding me more, I dug it. I did find it overly long. and Like 20, 30 minutes probably could have been cut out of this thing. But aside from that, it's a very solid horror movie.
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um What about you, Mercedes? What are your thoughts on this one? So I definitely like this film a lot more than the first one.
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um You get a whole storyline with it, as you were saying, which I love because it gives you those characters to latch onto um because I was the same way, automatically latched onto Sienna's character.
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It even took me a minute to like Jonathan's character because, yes, he does look like a dopey looking kid. But um him in real life, ah his name is Elliot. I think it's cool. He has a little YouTube channel.
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channel called little punk people and I thought that was the cutest fucking name ever um while also being like a badass name too but um I I even like his character and just even when they start focusing on the relationship between Sienna and Jonathan you get actual I guess sibling chemistry between the two. So it definitely gives you people that you can resonate with, people that you do like and that you start rooting for in the movie.
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Whereas in the first one, you don't give a shit about the characters that they introduce. So um yeah, the storyline, pretty strong. It was very long too. um The first time I watched it, however long ago, I did not expect it to be that long.
00:08:19
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um while i was maybe halfway into it i was looking at the time the timing thinking damn we still got like what 40 minutes to go or something but um it's such a cool film i i think we should do a ranking of these films after we're done watching all of them too totally i have a rough ranking of mine right now it's it might change after re-watching terrifier 3 but I'm pretty confident in my ranking. You've seen all of these so far, correct? yeah Yes, I've seen all of them.
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so Do you have a pretty good idea of how you're going to rank them too? um I have a vague idea. i haven't really sat down to think about it because I want to wait until I rewatch the third one. um Because even rewatching this now, i had so many changes of opinion watching it. so yeah I'm going to wait on that.
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I so wish we were recording these around Christmas time. Terrifier, we'll get into it next week. I'm i'm so excited for next week. But right here, Terrifier 2 is where we're at.
Terrifier Franchise Experiences
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Yeah, you, ah what how did you get into the Terrifier franchise? Because it started with this movie for you, correct? Kind of. Yeah, one of my buddies, he just kept hyping it up to me because he knows I'm a big horror movie fan, but when he asked me, oh, did you see the new Terrifier movie? I said no, um referring back to Terrifier 3 when it came out.
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um I just said, you know, i don't fuck with those movies, but he was saying, no, you have to watch the second one and the third one. They're so good. They actually have a storyline. um So I was just...
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still on the fence about it. I had seen so many um YouTube channels ah reviewing the movies and i wasn't planning on watching it, but my husband wanted to watch them. We ended up watching all of them. and We did actually watch the third one ah around ah man when did we watch it yeah right around Christmas time too when it came out. so um that That was my intro to this.
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so i had watched all three. I just hadn't watched All Hallows Eve until we covered it for the podcast. Well, you want to get into this plot? Hell yeah, hell yeah. So the funny thing was i broke my own rule watching this because i had watched it so many times. I was even watching little snippets of it as we were covering the Child's Play movies I was eating while this movie started, and I forgot how the movie started because I would always skip it to, you know, when they show Sienna.
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So you're back at the morgue where Art was um attacking the ah mortician, and there's part where, you know, he's going at it with him. like What is with Art and the eyeballs? Like, he always...
00:11:28
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mutilates someone and fucks with their eyeball. so Or they always get him in the eye. Yeah. so It was the part where art he looks in the mirror, he doesn't have an eyeball, but he's touching it.
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and I was eating raspberries and I had looked at my raspberries thinking, fuck. I just ah screwed myself over. This is what I get for not listening to myself.
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Moral of the story, don't listen to me. Really, really bad. I've almost started eating before each one of these terrifier movies. And I, I've stopped myself, but to an extent, I don't eat as much as I normally would. i lose a little bit of an appetite as I'm bracing myself to watch these movies.
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And It's weird because when I'm actually in it and watching them, I think for the most part to myself, I could handle eating. And I did watch Terrifier 3 while eating.
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But for some reason, when I've got the food in front of me and I'm just like, that kind of looks similar to the thing that I'm eating. I don't really want to fuck with food at that point.
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I think we're overthinking it and just preparing ourselves, which is why we don't want to do it. But i was surprised I still tried to eat it. And I don't even eat raspberries that much. I just wanted it, wanted them that day. And of course, that was the day that I was watching this movie in its entirety.
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Never again. i think I'll just go back to skipping that initial scene and then going right to Siena. Yeah, it's a very, very bloody, gross scene. And I was watching this with the commentary, too. And right before I started eating, it was this scene, not to get too far ahead of ourself, but where this little demon girl is defecating on the floor.
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And that really made me not want to eat anything. oh yeah It was so gross. Guys, if if you're not aware, these are incredibly gross movies. I've heard some people use the word depraved to define them.
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They're not quite there for me just because there is a demon element to it. If it was more grounded in reality like Salo or a Serbian film movie similar to those, I would probably consider this depraved. But You can kind of get through these without getting absolutely sick to your stomach, I'd say.
Theater Anecdotes & Eating During Horror Movies
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Just because they're so over the top. they They really are. You could see how fake the prosthetics are, but when you're in the moment, just kind of absorbing what the scene is offering, you're thinking, o or ew, that's disgusting.
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um so it It kind of reminds me of how I felt with, um and I guess still feel, with Rob Zombie's House of a Thousand Corpses and The Devil's Rejects because i didn't initially like House of a Thousand Corpses.
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um and Then when The Devil's Rejects came out, I actually liked it more because he had a storyline with it. I thought the storyline was kind of stupid, but at least it was there So it gave me a reason to kind of like these characters and root for the bad guys in there.
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um So that's kind of how I felt in this one. You know, I didn't like ter the first Terrifier film, but once um watching Terrifier 2, they got the storyline and it's 20 times better than Zombie's films. um I i just love those films.
00:15:21
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I like those films, though. i do i can watch House of a Thousand Corpses and be okay with it. I fucking quote shit from there randomly, too. I would try to show people these movies.
00:15:31
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They wouldn't want to watch all of it, though. It was either too much for them or they were just bored, so fuck you guys. but But I like some of his films. We'll cover some of them for the podcast.
00:15:44
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I do want to say in regards to the watching these gore fests and attempting to eat. It does help being in the movie theater, I guess being around other people and being in the darkness, not fully being able to see and engage with your food in a normal way.
00:16:05
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That makes it a little bit easier because I've have been able to watch all the Saw movies while eating i eating and I saw most of those in theaters. Terrifier 3, even, I don't know, the Evil Dead remake that we were talking about a couple weeks ago.
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I've been able to handle it in a theater. It's at home where it becomes a little different. It becomes a bit more difficult. Plus, when you're at a theater, you're not really eating um food that has the texture of what you're seeing on screen. You're typically eating popcorn or nachos or candy.
00:16:43
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Unless you're me getting a full burger or a full chicken sandwich and just chowing down because I get hungry, man. You're sitting in that seat for a while.
00:16:54
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I'm ready to chow down. See, that's the beauty of being a woman at that point because me and my husband will go to the movies and i just have burgers and fries in my purse and I just hand his. and him his That's such a smart, smart move.
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I have been honestly debating, and I talked about this on another podcast, actually, I did with my buddy Jeff Lane. Shout out to Jeff. I've been debating on bringing a purse to the movie theater and sneaking in food because, I mean, it's 2025.
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Who are they to tell me I can't bring in this purse and sneak in food? But my girlfriend was saying they will probably search me and treat it as if I had a backpack just because I'm a guy. So maybe that won't work. have do it.
00:17:41
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Have her bring it in I know. weve Conversations have been had about this. There's a Culver's by the movie theater I like to go to. Just stop in there, get some quote unquote real food before we pop in. Hell yeah.
00:17:57
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Cheaper food too. Exactly. Guys, get on board with us. Make this a thing. Also, should movie theaters be as sexist as they are?
00:18:09
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That took a major turn from what I thought you were going to say next. Is they going to search me just because I'm a guy? Anyway, we're getting too off the rails here. Terrifier 2.
Key Scenes & Character Exploration
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This movie... Okay, yeah, so it does have a kill sequence before the credits because I do want to talk about the credits, but... that initial kill sequence with that mortician is crazy i love that art pops the dude's eye in his own head it is one of the coolest things so i'm like oh art is like thor now he just has somebody else's eye i know he probably hasn't gotten that comparison ah whole lot but Yeah, he's... Art is basically Thor.
00:18:53
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He's become the God of Thunder, which there are some other Thor parallels, I feel like, in this movie. We'll get into that a little later. But I quite enjoyed that, and I found this kill scene to be more vicious than anything from 1, aside from the Hacksaw scene.
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and Yeah, it's it's a great way to let the audience know, like, buckle up. This is going to be intense from jump, from the word go.
00:19:24
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It's not going to be forgiving to the audience or the characters in this film. Yeah, and then I find it funny that they jump to the scene where he is at the laundromat. He is just sitting there pretty much half naked ah while his clothes are washing, his costume is in the washer, and he's just reading about ah killing or something in some town um in this newspaper, and then that's when we're introduced to the little pale girl.
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who I didn't know what the fuck that was supposed to be um or why she was there because originally too, it looks like, or initially it looks like he's thinking, oh, she's she's human.
00:20:09
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you know Why is she just sitting here waving at me? But yes, once she you know drops her load, which was so disgusting to watch, I still have to turn away seeing that.
00:20:20
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Ew. Ew, ew. Damien Leone has said that that isn't shit. That is some type of evil goo, basically. The equivalent to the exorcist or like evil dead.
00:20:33
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It's still nasty because you know what it's supposed to be. It is. And so I listened to some of Damien Leone's commentary on this movie. I got to watch this in 4K Steelbook.
00:20:46
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Just guys, buy physical media. It's awesome having things like commentaries and bonus features and stuff like that. But Damon Leone talks about how that girl actually brought art back to life. He wasn't, I don't think he was a demon prior to dying and her coming in and she resurrected him. And this is their little introduction together.
00:21:13
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Yeah, that makes sense. I briefly heard something like that. um Because it's not explained. It's not. And one of the reviews that I watched prior to us recording, they do mention that, which I forgot.
00:21:25
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But the first time watching it, I was just, you know, confused by her. But I did like her. You know, she gets up. whispers. fucks with his eye socket they play a little game of patty cake that was that was cool to see just because art's getting you know um it's nice seeing him being humane to another person and not friends yes having friends um So that was that was a cool scene to watch. And then it was just random seeing him mopping up a mess.
00:21:59
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And then once he's leaving, he had you know shoved or stabbed half of the mop stick or mop head. No, yeah, the stick of the mop onto that one guy's head into his head when he was just a good Samaritan just trying to do his clothes in the middle of the night. How rude of her. Yeah.
00:22:19
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not bothering anybody. He probably has a really busy job or chaotic job, something that's demanding of him. He has to do his laundry at night and he just ends up dying, getting killed. Or is he a janitor? I might have missed him if he was the janitor.
00:22:39
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No, yeah I don't think he was. He was just sleeping there. so i figure i think if he was an employee, he would have been behind a desk or something there. Maybe he was just loitering there and Art was doing an active service, just getting this guy off the streets.
00:22:59
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That was an interesting kill. I don't know. I just like the way that, because you don't expect that you just see him mopping and you're just thinking, what the fuck? Why are you mopping? Why are you cleaning?
00:23:11
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but Then you just see the guy dead there. You're like, oh, okay. Maybe that was why he was cleaning. It's an effective way to start the movie. How do you feel about the little girl? She's in the movie.
00:23:22
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but She's in a lot of the movie. And at first, I wasn't too crazy about it. I didn't think Art really needed ah partner. it was kind of cool that not everybody could see her.
00:23:35
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But she eventually grew on me as the story went along. ah She did rub me the wrong way, though, initially. I liked her, um even though I didn't understand why her character was there. i liked seeing her.
00:23:49
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um Like I said, I liked knowing that Art is not killing everybody in this film. He has one person that he can be pretty chill with and, you know... be vulnerable with. They play with a ah deceased rodent at one point.
00:24:05
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They're laughing. They're there being their weird ass selves. um I thought she bought or brought a little more fun into the film along with art. so I had no issues with her. I liked her a lot.
00:24:19
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Then after that very effective intro, we go right into that we get the opening title, Terrifier 2. It looks really cool. I like what they did with the design.
00:24:31
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i don't know exactly how to describe it, but it's it's very cool. I love the look of the Terrifier posters and the Terrifier iconography.
00:24:41
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um it It appeals to me. But then we start with much like the living dead girl moment in bride of Chucky, where the opening credit music just was put in the movie for me to love.
00:24:57
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They open with the equalizer by the midnight, a song that I really enjoy. It's an instrumental, like, I don't know if you would call it synth wave, but the midnight, they're a pretty cool band.
00:25:08
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I like a good amount of their songs and Yeah, go check them out if you haven't. But this movie, ah I mean, I love this song. yeah I heard it and was like, holy shit.
00:25:20
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I instantly got comfortable. I kept replaying the opening credits over and over. Very cool. It's Sienna basically making her Valkyrie type of... i In my mind, I thought Archangel, but Damien Leone kept saying Valkyrie.
00:25:36
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So this Valkyrie-esque costume for... It's Halloween, right? But it's a costume that is based off of a drawing her dad made for her. Yeah. yeah I thought the opening credits were very, very cool. they Awesome.
00:25:52
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I love that they had a song that I didn't expect to hear in it. yeah The music, that was ah such a great choice for this scene. and Then just seeing Sienna, um one, this girl is beautiful, and just seeing her being crafty, you know she's just making all of the the odds and ends for her costume.
00:26:17
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um You just automatically assume, okay, it's for a Halloween party, but- That costume was so fucking detailed and every single thing she did, it came out flawless. so I don't know, just imagining how long that took her on in that world to make that costume.
00:26:39
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legendary um i i was so excited that they they chose her for this role she's she's pretty awesome um and then they you get to see her mom who um is such a fucking ah She's a character because she swears nonstop.
00:27:00
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um But you see, you know, she's a single mom. She's trying to work, but, you know, she's she's flustered. She's frustrated. She's tired. um And she's just swearing up a storm at her kids.
00:27:14
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Just reminds me of how I talk to my dog. Maybe we shouldn't say that on mic, but... um No, I love my dog. But anyway, um yeah, you see you meet her and then you get to meet the dopey Jonathan and hear how he's, you know, he wants to be the Miles County clown for Halloween.
00:27:35
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So you get a little backstory of him you know, he's looking into these creepy, dark side of things in life um ever since their dad died But you know according to Sienna, she's perfectly fine. She just, well, not perfectly fine, but she's like botling all of ah yeah bottling up all of her emotions so she seems like she's okay.
00:28:00
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um yeah In reality, she's not. But you know the the little family ties that they have together, just in that initial dinner scene alone, you can actually buy that they're a family.
00:28:14
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They're a broken one, but you could buy that they're a family. I agree. And I enjoy all of the performances from ah these core family members a lot.
00:28:26
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I was worried going into it, not too sure. Because, you know, with these... low budget horror movies you don't know if especially ones that are so special effects and kill driven you don't really know if they're going to take the time to care about casting good actors or people who can bring something to life in these characters or bring this dialogue to life a lot of the times it feels like they just attract attractive people who can speak and this movie while not gonna say everybody in this movie isn't an attractive person they are all fantastic actors in my opinion they did really well with what was given to them in the script and I really enjoyed the mom uh her name is Barbara played by Sarah Voight I think Voight I think yeah
00:29:24
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Yeah, I really enjoyed her performance um the most out of most of these side characters. and ah Lauren Lavera as Sienna. She's a great new final girl, I think.
00:29:41
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I really dig what she's bringing to the table. She's one of my favorite final girls, actually. She...
00:29:49
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i I'm glad to hear Damon Leone. he You told me that he only plans to do four of these. I heard in interview that that is his true plan, and he doesn't want to burn out the character or see her go so far in this franchise that she ends up dying, and it becomes, well, what was the point of watching her?
00:30:08
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I'm actually glad that he has a plan to kind of bring her out on top, because I think we... have the potential to have one of the boat the best and fully um realized final girls.
00:30:23
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Yeah, and there was um an interview that I had watched, um I think it was from Dead Meat on YouTube. They were interviewing Lauren Lavera. It was for Terra Friar 3, but she was talking about um her character now being known as a final girl,
00:30:43
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But she was saying she likes the fact that her character is not your typical final girl where, you know, they're so pure, they're virgin they're a virgin, they don't drink or do drugs or anything, where Even though they don't focus on a love interest for her in here, she's not a crazy party girl, but she does want to go to a party. She does want to drink, um not excessively, but um you know she's just a, I don't want to say standard, but lack of a better word, standard a teenager.
00:31:20
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um She has been through some shit. She's coping as best as she can, but she's not just playing portraying a pure innocent victim in here so uh her being cast in this uh role she plays it in such a a strong way i just i love her character in here she she's amazing and then even so um i love uh the the
00:31:52
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It took me a while to like him, but I do like Jonathan. and I like the ah relationship that him and Sienna do have because it's not just like an aggressor and victim type of brother-sister relationship.
00:32:10
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They actually can communicate. They can go to each other. you don't see them go to each other a lot, but um you know he just goes in her room and asks if she can fix his little costume, his his little hat for his costume. and you know They're actually just talking, and she's not picking on him or anything like most siblings older siblings would.
00:32:34
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So therere their relationship, I really, i adore. i adore them as siblings. I just love both of them. Yeah, she gets reasonably frustrated with him at the beginning because it would be pretty fucked up to dress up as a real-life serial killer that's pretty recent, that is still technically on the loose.
00:32:56
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it That is kind of a dark thing to do in public, especially. Yeah. And even later on in the movie, when she's at the party and talking to her mom, and her mom thinks that Jonathan vandalized her car, she comes to his defense and says, no, that's not something Jonathan would do. This is weird behavior. It's not like him.
00:33:23
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And does she come to his defense with the possum thing, or does she not have any kind of an opinion on that? So before he came into her room to ask ah for help with his ah hat, Sienna was talking to her mom and...
00:33:39
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just asking her, oh, do you ever worry about Jonathan because of what he was, um what he chose to be for Halloween and just thinks he's looking up. So she was um worried about him, but she wasn't just degrading him. She was just, you could see it was just, you know, legitimate concern. and um yeah But yeah, she does say to her mom, you know,
00:34:06
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along the lines, don't be surprised if you find a dead animal in his room or something. But when she did find out about the dead possum, Sienna does believe that ah Jonathan didn't do anything with it.
00:34:20
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Yeah, that dead possum shit was pretty gross. Some of the grossest stuff in the movie I wouldn't be touching. coming I wouldn't be going anywhere near any kind of dead or mutilated animal.
00:34:31
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Yeah, these kids are fucking demented to go and poke at a dead animal, a dead rodent for that matter too. And there were maggots in there. i did not know that until yesterday when I watched it because I always turned away at that scene, but I looked back at the wrong part and I saw that. That was so disgusting.
00:34:53
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And it's fucked up to show that little girl those maggots, too. That principle should have really rained down hell on those kids. And especially if they did think Jonathan brought that possum in there, which all they have to do is look at the cameras and see that Art the Clown came in there. They probably would look at the cameras and send it home or use it in some kind of case against Jonathan. But...
00:35:19
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They didn't do that. They just assumed it was him. And I guess rightfully so. It looked like he did it. Yeah, and it even painted a good picture of what Jonathan is going through.
00:35:30
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So i did appreciate that his storyline wasn't he's going to school and he's bullied. um I actually thought that was what his character was going to be going through.
00:35:44
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But the kids there, they they know he's into weird and creepy shit, but they don't really make fun of him or anything. um No, he kind of hangs out with the bully like kids.
00:35:58
Speaker
Because that was very that was bully behavior calling that girl over there, making her look at that dead possum. Yeah, and when the teacher or principal, whoever it was, when they came over, none of them even said anything. like They didn't tattle on anyone.
00:36:17
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ah Not that they would have if they weren't friends, but um yeah, so I like the fact that you know he he just wasn't a victim in there either, um but you could see he's definitely an outcast.
00:36:30
Speaker
Yeah, I thought they were all going to blame it on him at first, and they didn't. So I was glad they didn't just go with, honestly, what the Child's Play remake probably would have done. Oh my god, I hate that little bully in there.
00:36:45
Speaker
let's let's not Let's not rile me up, because I fucking hate that kid. He should have been one of Chucky's victims. I didn't mean drudge up any old grudges you had. i apologize.
00:36:58
Speaker
My blood is boiling now. let Let me put it to good use with this film. um So going into some other characters, what do you think of Sienna's friends, Allie and
Halloween Party & Character Dynamics
00:37:12
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Brooke?
00:37:12
Speaker
Brooke? I quite enjoyed them. So Allie is played by Casey Hartnett and Burke is played by Kaylee Heyman. And i I enjoyed them. They weren't overly annoying friends of the final girl character.
00:37:28
Speaker
If you watch, let's say, Rob Zombie's Halloween remake, a more modern movie that's similar to this where they have, ah it's the final girl surrounded by all of her friends. And her friends are, for the most part, pretty insufferable in that movie than when you go to the sequel. Trash.
00:37:49
Speaker
Yes, when you go to the sequel, her friends are equally just as insufferable, if not more. And this, I felt like her friends actually had some agency.
00:38:01
Speaker
They weren't completely useless or dumb characters. Both of them got brutalized in very horrific ways.
00:38:12
Speaker
Allie got it maybe the worst. I didn't understand why she got it so bad. Was it because she was just fucking with Art when he was trick-or-treating? i don't know.
00:38:24
Speaker
i have things to say on that. I'll wait on that. On how brutal her death was? i mean Let's get into it. Well, before we do, i just I want to say one thing about when Sienna meets ah or sees art at the um ah Halloween store.
00:38:41
Speaker
It is the day of Halloween. What fucking Halloween store is that stocked on supplies and costumes and goods?
00:38:52
Speaker
That looked like a brand new store and it was empty. So that just really got under my skin. I wish I could go visit a store on Halloween and see it like that. But I'm sorry.
00:39:05
Speaker
That was just something that annoyed me. Maybe it's just this movie came on 2022. Maybe they're not being explicit, but the pandemic could be going on. People just aren't really trick or treating this year that much. There's a serial killer on the loose.
00:39:26
Speaker
He's in the store. Maybe he scared a bunch of people away. Well, that's the thing that leads into this. so He does see Sienna and he's just kind of fucking with her.
00:39:37
Speaker
and so she she becomes ah She's on edge at this point, um but he does see, ah why do I keep trying to call her Don? Allie, um he sees her. All these white women look the same.
00:39:51
Speaker
They do. um But Allie bumps into him and then... I'm just kidding. No offense to the white woman, by the way. You're white. You could say that. I'm not a woman, though. I don't know if I can say that.
00:40:04
Speaker
Just don't say anything and then we'll be okay. Good point. But um yeah, it's when the um you start seeing the trick-or-treaters going to their homes. um Art goes to Allie's home.
00:40:20
Speaker
And Allie's just such a bitch to him. i hate when people are just asking, oh, aren't you too old to be trick-or-treating? So fucking what? Are you really going to get rid of all of your candy?
00:40:33
Speaker
No, I don't think so. If someone puts in the work to put a costume on, give them fucking candy. I come with a friend. It's weird to go trick or treating alone as an adult.
00:40:46
Speaker
He's very off putting. He probably smells bad. I would not even answer the door for that guy. To be honest, I'd call the police. Well, that's the thing. None of these people have the little eye hole thingy to look outside through their door or their storm door at all. They just have those yeah big old snazzy doors.
00:41:08
Speaker
You know what like?
00:41:11
Speaker
that they could lock and talk through they're not in the midwest I know. um Yeah, I mean, if he was able to bring the little pale girl, well, it it's some it's shown that apparently only a few people could see her.
00:41:25
Speaker
But if she was able to be seen, then yeah, he could have had her with them. Then it could have just looked like a father and daughter, brother and sister type of deal. But yeah, she was, Allie was being kind of a bitch to him and just saying, yeah, you're really weird.
00:41:40
Speaker
um At that point, just as much as I hate it when trick-or-treaters come up and they just stick their their bag out, they don't even say trick-or-treat, I would have just, you know, gave him some candy just to get rid of his ass and then been on my merry way. He probably still would have killed her, but at least maybe not as brutal.
00:42:05
Speaker
I don't know. It's interesting that you have preferences for trick or treaters. Like I hate it when they don't say trick or treat. I just hate that they're there in general. Get the fuck up.
00:42:17
Speaker
I want my candy. You can't have Well, on your Buy your own. When I buy Halloween candy, I buy some for these kids and then I buy some for myself because I always have to buy the pumpkin and the bat-shaped Reese cups.
00:42:34
Speaker
Those are essential. Then they can have just... Yeah, and then the kids can have their regular Reese's. I don't give a fuck. um No, the kids get Milky Way or whatever is not quite as good as like the Reese's.
00:42:50
Speaker
The Tootsie Roll candy. They can get those. The Three Musketeers. Hey, now. What's wrong with Three Musketeers? I like them, but they're, hey, there are no Reese's or Kit Kat or Twix, man.
00:43:01
Speaker
Nothing can compare to those candies. Of course not. But you can't diss Three Musketeers like that. Take it back. The kids kids can take them. Okay, fine. um But yeah, I love still seeing trick-or-treaters come to my house because that is ah dying activity that makes me so sad. There's barely any kids going trick-or-treating.
00:43:26
Speaker
So yes, that is the only time I want kids to come up to me on Halloween. Have you seen any kids dressed as Arthur Clown? No, actually. thats That's devastating.
00:43:39
Speaker
I don't know how, though. Well, maybe because of the neighborhood I'm in they probably don't watch these films, but um i I have yet to see a little kid dress up as Arthur the Clown.
00:43:52
Speaker
We'll see it one day. I'll have a kid and dress him up as Arthur the Clown just so it can happen. Do it. Dress up your nephew if he would want to. yeah He probably would not want to look like Art the Clown. I'm just guessing.
00:44:08
Speaker
i think he'd have opinions. Is he afraid of clowns? He would probably be afraid of Art the Clown. If I showed him a picture and be like, you're going to dress like this. He might start crying.
00:44:21
Speaker
hu That would be fun, though. But um yeah, i back to Sienna's friends. Allie, she was OK. I didn't really like her. i i thought Brooke was going to be.
00:44:40
Speaker
a better friend when we meet her because you know Sienna has her panic attack. um and You see these other students, they're just staring at them when Sienna's trying to just compose herself.
00:44:56
Speaker
and Brooke just looks at them and is just, hey, you know mind your own business, thank you. so i was like, you know what? i I love that she did that for her friend. She was trying to get the attention off of her.
00:45:08
Speaker
But then later in the movie, she turns into a fucking cunt bucket. So yeah, that part we'll get to in a second. But um yeah, did Ali deserve her death?
00:45:21
Speaker
What do you No, man. I don't know if anyone really deserves these deaths that Art's dealing out. it It feels... It's so mean and random, almost.
00:45:35
Speaker
And just... The means of killing people is so upsetting. he I don't even know how to describe what he does to Allie, but she's not a person anymore by the end of it. And he keeps her alive throughout all of it. She gets arguably the worst death. I don't know. It's a toss-up between this death and the Hacksaw death. But...
00:46:00
Speaker
Her mom comes in and starts screaming, and I wrote down in my notes, her mom is not having a big enough reaction for this death. No, not all. Nope. Yeah, I'm like, where are the tears? The mom in a Child's Play 2 has a better reaction when her husband dies.
00:46:19
Speaker
Who deserved it? Eh, but... I don't know if we need to relitigate the events of Child's Play 2. I agree, though. She there.
00:46:34
Speaker
she was giving some phony screams there and I'm not going to lie. Allie's death. um It did leave me feeling uneasy just because again, I knew ah when I watched this film for the first time, i knew of the bedroom scene. I just didn't know what it was. That's all I heard from people is, Oh, you, the bedroom scene is, you know, the scene.
00:47:03
Speaker
So when um they were showing that ah with Allie, Just seeing her room and how much of a contrast it was with Sienna's room. Sienna had dark colors in there. She had floral wallpaper, but it was still dark and like a dark blue type of color ah for her walls. But Allie's room, it was it looked like a little girl's room still. It had bright yellow walls, um those little lights that say dream or praise or whatever.
00:47:37
Speaker
so I think she was more of an innocent person, so the fact that she was killed so brutally disturbed me so much more.
00:47:48
Speaker
And just... Yeah, it was it was rough to watch. And then just seeing Art come in with fucking bleach and salt to salt her wounds. Ew. It's so rough.
00:48:04
Speaker
And listening to the commentary for that scene, not Brooke, not bro Allie loses an arm to Art, and I was able to kind of notice it, but they said that her arm was still there, and they attached a prosthetic fake arm, and they just really bent her arm behind her back as far as it could go, and i they put they either painted it black or put a black cover over it, and I feel like I can kind of see glimpses of it, but I really appreciate how well they hid
00:48:38
Speaker
Oh my God, now I want to rewatch it just to see if I could see it, but that's a hard scene to watch. I had to keep turning my head away. That was, ew. it It is so hard to watch. I think they they do.
00:48:52
Speaker
i don't know if they count on people turning their heads away, but they do have that leeway. They may not be thinking about it, but a lot of people are watching these horrific scenes through their fingers as their hands are covering their face.
00:49:07
Speaker
And it's funny because I know I've said this on um a previous episode, but um one of the, who was it? Someone who was working on the Halloween film, the original one, they said, you know, if you want to make a movie scarier, I think, a movie scarier, um you need to cover your ears, not your eyes.
00:49:36
Speaker
I can't watch this scene. i i can listen to it, but I can't watch this scene. So I guess that just goes along with if it's a song or a score playing.
00:49:48
Speaker
um But yeah, just everything this girl endures and she's still alive. Did she deserve it? Maybe, maybe not.
00:49:59
Speaker
No. Guys, what do you think? Guys, what do you think? Did Allie deserve her demise? Did she deserve the way she went out? Let us know on our Instagram. Rate us five stars as well.
00:50:10
Speaker
Rate is five stars, yes. Guys, the that's psychotic. She got fucking... It's awful what happened her. Her and Brooke. I found myself for both deaths.
00:50:23
Speaker
I was looking away often. That's my move. It's almost involuntary, but I look... down to the ground or just away from the screen and I'm focusing away, i cover my mouth with my shirt and I start saying something to myself. Usually it's, oh my God, oh my God, as I'm like covering my mouth.
00:50:47
Speaker
It's ridiculous. But I found myself doing that both during Allie and Brooke's death. And Brooke's death I found to be very intense, too. He throws some type of acid on her face and starts hitting her with this hammer he made, which what is it, a leg to a chair or a leg to a bed with nails and screws all through it?
00:51:11
Speaker
Something like that. And he rips open her chest. It's so fucked up. Man, maybe these movies are depraved. Maybe I'm wrong. But, but, Brooke deserved it.
00:51:26
Speaker
Did she? I thought she was very nice. And she was looking out for Sienna too. What did Brooke do? So, Brooke drugged her.
00:51:37
Speaker
That is no-go. That's so wrong to do. It seems like Sienna might have taken them willingly if she offered. Sienna seems like DTF, kind of.
00:51:51
Speaker
But yeah, that is kind of fucked up. Don't drug your friends, people. Yeah, so before I get more into detail on that, I want to kind of backtrack to um Sienna because they show her... um you know just kind of transition into more of the um i would say you know kind of the bad girl type of thing where she does start to you know get ready um for the halloween party she puts on her valkyrie costume which looks fucking amazing so badass even her makeup the way she did her hair oh my god flawless
00:52:33
Speaker
But it was cool because um even when she was in the Halloween store and she was going to get the new wings um since ah her wings caught on fire from her dream, she was wearing a white and black dress.
00:52:48
Speaker
sweatshirt. and you know, what she when she had the wings on, it kind of painted her as, you know, angelic. um I keep saying the word pure, but, you know, pure, um untouched and everything. But then once they show her in her Valkyrie costume, she does have the wings painted.
00:53:08
Speaker
um the costume is a bronze and gold, ah bronze and gold type of color scheme going on. So you can see that transition there. So fucking amazing. I love that part.
00:53:21
Speaker
But yeah, then they go to the Halloween party, her and ah and Brooke. And they're okay. You know, everything seems to be fine, except Sienna's worried that Allie isn't answering the phone.
00:53:35
Speaker
So that was when Brooke is just thinking, okay, well, let me get you drunk. Let me try to get you to drink more. Sienna is hesitant to drink um too much.
00:53:46
Speaker
But then, yeah, Brooke just drugs her. And... When Sienna has her panic attack, ah when she sees ah the little pale go girl show up, this is when Brooke pisses me off because Brooke goes off on her in the car when her when both of them and the boyfriend are leaving, just saying, you know, what the fuck was that? That wasn't normal.
00:54:08
Speaker
And it's because this girl was also on um Xanax, right? Xanax and Molly. Yeah, so she was um originally on Xanax, but then her dumbass friend put Molly in her drink.
00:54:23
Speaker
So um I thought it was so fucked up because she was saying, I was just trying to make you feel better and do something nice for you because you're like Miss Morbid all the time. That's such a fucked up thing to say when even after she goes in. Calling your friend morbid?
00:54:39
Speaker
No, because of mistress, maybe for me, for me, it's different because you're saying it in a nicer context. But for her, she's saying it like, oh, you're always upset and sad and, you know, dark.
00:54:54
Speaker
thinking about all of this shit, but it's like, dude, you later go on to explain what the fuck happened with her dad and the horrific death that he even had So, you know, what do you expect from this girl? It's pretty...
00:55:11
Speaker
pretty it should be expected that you know she's in kind of a dark place she's carrying herself well but yeah she's in a dark place so the fact that she said it like that really fucking pissed me off so i hated her yes brooke deserved to die the way she did the way she did yes that's so hard fuck Yeah, she she and gets her leg cut up. Like, Art's fucking with her. He's chasing her.
00:55:39
Speaker
um I did like the fact that she removed her fucking knee-high boots. um And then she's in that gross-looking bathroom. She attempts to...
00:55:51
Speaker
prepare herself to fight back but yeah once he throws that acid on her that was so fucked up and then once he's like busting her chest cavity open that was gross but she deserved it because who does that to a friend you are not a friend to do that to a friend fuck you you deserved it oh man oh That death is a lot.
00:56:15
Speaker
Rest in peace, Brooke and Allie. How do you feel? ah Because I know some people have opinions on the fact that women get such intense and brutal deaths in this movie.
00:56:29
Speaker
Now, you don't have to have an opinion on it if you just don't have one, but do you have an opinion ah on that, or do you have any kind of a side in the argument of are these too mean to women?
00:56:45
Speaker
um I would say that's a question more so for part three. But what I will say now is I was watching it thinking Art's going or taking it pretty easy on Jonathan.
00:56:59
Speaker
you know He's just slicing him with the scalpel. um He's not doing too much to him. Yeah, he starts... biting his wrist or his hand at the end but he he doesn't go full-on art mode on jonathan compared to these other women He does go hard on the guy in the morgue and Brooke's boyfriend could get it worse, but he does go pretty hard at that dude's dick. So men do get hurt beyond Jonathan, but not, yeah, not to the extent of Allie and Brooke and Dawn from the last movie.
00:57:39
Speaker
Maybe it's because he thinks these women are pretty and you know he's trying to kill them and make them prettier in his point of view. so That could be why.
00:57:49
Speaker
He's just straight. He could have mom issues. you know He could. He did um you know lean into that cat lady's touch when she was asking him, have you ever felt a ah mother's touch or whatever? and He's sucking his thumb in the first movie, so he could have mom issues.
00:58:09
Speaker
Yeah, it isn't out of the ordinary, I feel, for maniacs to target people of the opposite gender. Doesn't always happen, not always the case, but I feel like it's not abnormal.
00:58:22
Speaker
Yeah, and I mean, they do show a little extra or excessive... ways of him just torturing his victims who are male, um like the mortician and the um the the cashier at the party store.
00:58:43
Speaker
So yeah they're not yeah, they're not as crazy as the way he does kill these women, but he's just making art with them. I mean, there is, in general, the I talked about it on These Guys Got Juice with my co-host over there, Doug, but there is inherently something sexual about slashers in particular and the way they murder people like Michael Myers
Themes in Slasher Films
00:59:12
Speaker
with a knife. It's ah penetration a lot of art, he's penetrating people. There is almost some weird...
00:59:19
Speaker
psycho-sexual element to this character. He really relishes in it. And ah it it's a lot. Art doesn't seem like the most chill hang, but it does seem like there is some kind of a sexual element to him, too.
00:59:37
Speaker
Yeah, there probably is, especially because in the first one, he does cut off um the the breasts of the cat lady, and he pretty much wears it like a vest, and he's just walking very dainty-like.
00:59:53
Speaker
and just Just the lighting on his makeup, on his face, that is the part that horrified me in that film. But yeah i can I could see where you're coming from on that.
01:00:05
Speaker
Outside of the gore and how ah appropriately horrific this movie is, I do want to get a little bit into the lore and take us a little bit closer to the beginning where Sienna has this dream about the clown cafe.
01:00:24
Speaker
ah and This is something I think you have some opinions on too, or at least you're you're pretty favorable towards this scene. i I wrote down in my notes, Clown Cafe is very David Lynch. It's a dream, could be part reality.
01:00:42
Speaker
um At the end of this, Art shoots fire and Sienna blocks it with her sword, wakes up, and her angel wings are on fire. I found that, and I know this is a cliche, I found it very Lynchian. And then watching the commentary,
01:01:00
Speaker
David Leone did you did reference David Lynch a few times and you cite him as inspiration. And I was just like, it's there. It comes through, which is pretty cool.
01:01:13
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But the little bit of lore that I would like to add that is subtext, not necessarily text-text, is that Damon Leone was saying that that sword didn't have any supernatural ability until it blocked the fire art shot at her in the dream. And when the flame connected with the sword, then that supernatural sword from the dream made its way into reality. And I'm pretty sure that's what brought the fire with it.
01:01:38
Speaker
So that's all not really explained in the movie, but it's a pretty interesting tidbit. I wish that was explained in the movie because i didn't know that part. um And that kind of confirms that the dream was a part of reality. There was ah there's a blending of dream and reality happening. It's very like Mulholland Drive or Twin Peaks.
01:02:01
Speaker
Yeah, definitely. um I feel like it would make more sense if... ah if art's weapon of choice was using fire, some type of pyrotechnics. um So I don't know, but I like that detail. I really wish they had um found a way to include that in the film because that would explain a lot And they may dive into it a little bit further as we get into like Terrifier 3 next week and the upcoming Terrifier 4, whatever that will be.
01:02:34
Speaker
But the Clown Cafe, i mean, we heard you sing it. You knocked it out of the park when you sang it earlier. You told me ah before we started recording that you had something you wanted to say about the song in particular or the scene in particular.
01:02:48
Speaker
this is the Is this the one you were watching on repeat that we've been talking about, this dream sequence? Actually, no. i think just the the part that I'd watch on repeat was Sienna creating her costume because I love the intro song and just you know her putting everything together.
01:03:08
Speaker
um No, i just I just thought this dream sequence was so fucked up because... It's literally how nightmares will be ah for me. Just so fucking random.
01:03:23
Speaker
Because you see her, you you know it's some you know what this whole dream is about. It's about Art the Clown, and they just throw some fun in there. Art Crispy's cereal, and...
01:03:35
Speaker
Then you just see it take so many different fucking turns, okay? These kids are meeting Art the Clown. You know he's a fucking deranged serial killer. And then the serial ends up having like razors and bugs in it that kills this kid. he start Art kills everyone else.
01:03:54
Speaker
So just watching it, I was just thinking, wow, this is... literally what nightmares are made of. So um that and then the jingle was catchy. So I thought it would be funny to include that in here. So I didn't have too many opinions on this scene.
01:04:11
Speaker
I wish visually they did something a little different with the scene just to lean into it, go a little bit more Lynch, film it in a different way.
01:04:24
Speaker
i don't know, but I did dig it as a dream sequence. I like that Sienna woke up into it as a dream, basically. You don't really see that. At least not and there's nothing I can really point to at the moment of people waking up into their dreams.
01:04:41
Speaker
Yeah, and then um i do like that you know when her and Art are just battling it out at the he just you know tosses her ah um whatever he tossed her on, and she ended up falling into a lower level of where they were at, and then he basically pushes her into... What was that portal supposed to be? Was that supposed to be hell or something?
01:05:08
Speaker
That's what I take it. I wrote down in my notes that I think the clown cafe is some type of portal to hell. And so I'm, I really enjoyed actually what you're talking about. So the thing that Sienna falls through, it's like a palette, I guess, which would be very hard to break. I don't know if the weight of a human body would break palette, maybe a really old one.
01:05:33
Speaker
But I was like, damn, that that's a pretty hard fall. But she slams hard as fuck down to this lower level of, ah yeah are is it the Terrifier ride? Is that where they're at right now?
01:05:45
Speaker
Yeah, that's where they're at. Yeah, this lower, lower level of this terrifier ride where there's this... It looks like a circus entrance. There are light bulbs. It's shining red.
01:05:56
Speaker
But I took that as almost some type of portal into hell. And she falls into a magician, like, fish tank that a magician would break out of, like Hugh Jackman and the Prestige, basically.
01:06:11
Speaker
i kind of... I dig it. it That would be terrifying falling in that... um I don't know if you have a specific read of that scene, but my initial read, and I didn't listen to dm and Damon Leone talk about this, unfortunately. I kind of want to get back into the commentary and hear this.
01:06:30
Speaker
But my read of that was that Sienna died in that moment because she kind of falls dead and everybody else in Clown Cafe falls dead.
01:06:41
Speaker
And my reading of that is she's died. The sword has quote unquote brought her back to life and healed her of her wounds, but she's transcended into whatever life that art has now transcended into whatever higher power that art has achieved in order to keep him coming back and being this demon.
01:07:02
Speaker
I believe she transcended into being a Valkyrie or an archangel or something. Yeah, I do too because they do show her essentially drown in there where her body just goes limp.
01:07:14
Speaker
um But then, yeah, the the sword just, it doesn't ignite, but it lights up and her wounds just heal up and she's able to escape out of that tank um and then go help her brother. So,
01:07:29
Speaker
Yeah, they they pretty much needed to create some type of supernatural or angelic type of um character for Sienna to transition into since she is um going to battle against Art the Clown, who is also supernatural.
01:07:51
Speaker
So yeah, I got a similar reading from that scene. She reminds me of Thor in that moment. That was what I was talking about earlier. Everyone reminds you of Thor.
01:08:02
Speaker
No, but earlier, that's what I was referencing. And her wounds healing, Damon Leone said um in an interview that her wounds healing was because the sword cannot cause her damage, which that may be the case. But I do like reading it as she died in that moment.
01:08:21
Speaker
And now she's transcended into ah higher power. One detail that I want to crawl back to um that I thought was just very heartwarming and heartbreaking at the same time when they were in that little church scene in the carnival ride and Art is just whipping the fuck out of Jonathan with his weapon.
01:08:48
Speaker
And he had already tossed around Sienna so much. So she is hurting like crazy. But she sees him hurting Jonathan. So she crawls over to him and just covers him to protect him. And then in return, Arch starts whipping the fuck out of her.
01:09:09
Speaker
That was so hard to watch. Yeah. It made me want to tear up because she again is playing that protector role where she is coming to her brother's defense and taking all the blows for it.
01:09:22
Speaker
I love that scene so much, but it was very painful to watch. Yeah, he whips the shit out of her. I feel like she would be pretty close to dead or have more broken bones.
01:09:34
Speaker
I do want to say that ending is where I did feel like the movie meandered a little
Critique of Ending & Setup for Sequel
01:09:40
Speaker
bit. It felt like it struggled to find an ending for a while, and it couldn't quite land on it because they take Art down a few different times, and Art takes her down, and it's this big back and forth that...
01:09:55
Speaker
is a good part of the reason why this movie is so long. So I wish they could have came to the conclusion a bit sooner. But that being said, i did it put Sienna through a lot.
01:10:12
Speaker
It really showed how much she could endure. And every hit that Art made on her, every time he connected with that chain, it I feel like I could feel it physically.
01:10:26
Speaker
Literally, that it just, oh my God. And then the certain scenes where they show her skin just splitting open from the impact, that was that made it so much harder to watch.
01:10:38
Speaker
um But when she does, you know, gain her power, whatever it is, when she's resurrected and comes after art in ah Jonathan's defense and her own.
01:10:52
Speaker
um She does attack him a lot. And you could just see the crazed look in her eyes that I absolutely love because, you know, she's avenging her mom's death, her friend's death, Jonathan, um and you know you can see that something switched on her where she is just full-on attacking Art to the point where she decapitates him.
01:11:18
Speaker
That I love because in the other films, when the victims have their opportunity to attack Art, they give him a flimsy little stab on the back, whack on the head, whatever they do, and they think he's dead. They think that's good enough, whereas here you can actually see her...
01:11:35
Speaker
you know something switched in her and she's going at it as hard as she can until she knows that he's dead yeah or these characters will stab him in the back and then run away and hide immediately give him enough time to find him make a noise while he's around the corner looking for him it it gets a little unbelievable at times and Then I wanted to point out too, the part where they bring back Victoria, I had never seen until yesterday.
01:12:07
Speaker
do you want to go into that? Oh, really? Yeah, I like I said, I'm really bad at knowing when there's a post credit scene because I automatically turn off the movie or whoever I'm with, they want to dip out of the theater.
01:12:19
Speaker
So I, I was um just looking more information on the form, more information on my phone. And then I just heard something on my TV and I looked up seeing the scene and I was just like, fuck, hi I didn't even know this thing existed. So yeah, you want to go into it more?
01:12:40
Speaker
damn i can't believe people are so quick to just hop back into reality after watching a movie and they just can't enjoy a moment yeah just sit there take it in think about what you just watch it's okay instagram will still be there guys let's be uncomfortable in this world for just a little while longer Yeah, and who knows? L. Jackson might show up and say he's putting together a team at the end of it.
01:13:10
Speaker
And you'll get to tell people you were there for it.
01:13:14
Speaker
I was there for the Iron Man reveal, the shit that started all this after credits stuff. And i don't know. I just always chilled in the theater for a little bit.
01:13:26
Speaker
It's a lost art form. It really is. Hanging out and doing nothing. Yeah, so this ending, it's basically we go back to, ah so after Sienna beheads Art, we, you know, rah, rah, everybody's happy. We clap, we cheer. It's like, yes, he's dead. We did it.
01:13:44
Speaker
And then the little girl, the little demon girl walks off with Art's decapitated head and it's cut to credits. You know, ooh, what's going to happen next? And so we cut to this mental health facility, insane asylum, whatever you want would want to call it.
01:14:01
Speaker
The location of Cult of Chucky, if you guys are familiar with that movie. And it's Chris Jericho. i got to say, playing a guy with a wife?
01:14:12
Speaker
I like that for him, you know, when he's like, yeah, my wife made that. I was like, this guy's got a wife. was like, that's a good character. Wife guy over here. i really dug it.
01:14:23
Speaker
But so they're like complaining about Vicky, like, oh, she's being weird. And we keep cutting to her.
01:14:32
Speaker
carving blood out of her vagina and writing things like whore and cunt all over the wall and blood it's absolutely disgusting the sounds she's making are disgusting and this nurse goes to check on her and she's given birth to art's head and i kind of like that little thing because so this little girl, that's what I was wondering.
01:14:58
Speaker
I was thinking, so she's not a part of our reality. She's just going to carry art's head to wherever. How's that going to explain anything? But i did like that.
01:15:09
Speaker
Oh, she's the supernatural force and Vicky is the vessel and she's become basically this like weird art obsessed woman. creature now, almost like an Evil Dead or Exorcist level possession that's happening.
01:15:26
Speaker
I found it disgusting and upsetting, and the look of Vicky is better than she's looked throughout the past two movies. You like that scene? I found it to be, I mean, I didn't like enjoy it like it was a comfort watch, but it was a great note to end to end it on, and I enjoyed seeing Chris Jericho.
01:15:47
Speaker
I mean, I don't know if he needs the work. He could probably pay ah different actor. I mean, but I take that back. Maybe he didn't take much of a payday, and it was just to have his name on the movie.
01:15:59
Speaker
I don't know. I, for one, was annoyed because, again, we have another type of psychiatric ward that only has two fucking employees, apparently.
01:16:10
Speaker
And then the the nurse or whoever it was... um She was actually I think she was actually the um the person who sang the clown cafe song.
01:16:21
Speaker
um She goes to check on Vicky by herself. And when she looks through the little window and sees what she's doing and all this shit, why would you go in there by yourself? Call for fucking backup at that point.
01:16:36
Speaker
They don't show her die, but she deserved to die for being that stupid. But yeah, when she opens the door and sees Vicky cradling Art's head, that was disgusting.
01:16:47
Speaker
No, they, but it makes sense now with what ah the supernatural force, the evil force that the little pale girl was, is now in Vicky. You're like, the beginning of Terrifier 3 makes a lot more sense now.
01:17:00
Speaker
It really does. Having seen this. Because that was... i won't spoil Terrifier 3 for the listeners, but we're at the end of our Terrifier 2 episode, so I could get into it. Before the credits, like...
01:17:17
Speaker
ah Before the post-credits scene kicked in I was thinking, wait, how do we get to... to Where's Chris Jericho? He was in the credits, and he's at the beginning at Terrifier 3.
01:17:33
Speaker
What happened to the guy? Yeah, all of that, it now just makes sense to me now, just seeing where we go in Terrifier 3. But I did only watch that movie once, so rewatching it again, I'm excited for it um just to catch all these details and just to, you know, stay in this world of Art the Clown a little bit longer because i am having one hell of a fucking ride.
01:17:58
Speaker
Yeah, I am really enjoying the this shit out of this. It's really cool. i So there was actually... um Before we like fully get into our final thoughts, there's one death and one character moment that I really enjoyed.
01:18:15
Speaker
Sienna's phone call with her mom... ah when she was defending her brother. That's what I meant when I said this movie. Like when I wrote down that this movie has a lot more heart than I expected it to have.
01:18:29
Speaker
That scene almost made me kind of emotional. And you don't really get that out of a lot of movies this... of this genre And especially with how hard this movie goes. And it really did.
01:18:45
Speaker
I just knew after that phone call that their mom was going to die. And I'm really glad that Damon Leone spared the audience and just had the mom die with a gunshot to the face.
01:18:58
Speaker
It wasn't something we had to sit through and watch her get brutalized. Thank you, Damian Leone, for that. But goddammit, it made me almost throw up. I genuinely gagged when Art shoves mashed potatoes in her gross sandworm-looking face hole.
01:19:17
Speaker
ah It was so fucked up. I'm like starting to almost gag talking about it. This movie's fucking crazy, guys, if you haven't yeah seen it the That was um one thing that I had forgotten.
01:19:31
Speaker
I forgot to mention when we were talking about how art kills women in here. Yeah, her death wasn't as crazy as everyone else's, but i did feel very...
01:19:45
Speaker
bad at that part um because you see she had just gotten into an argument with Jonathan. She slaps him, um but he does call her a bitch. um But she's frustrated. She's reaching like her end limit with just life in general because she's tired. She looks so fucking just um she has no energy. There's barely anything that she's um hanging on to.
01:20:15
Speaker
And she's just seen these fucked up drawings, too, that I do want to talk about a little bit, too. But... Yeah, she just, um she's tired of everything that her son primarily is bringing up.
01:20:28
Speaker
So when she does have that phone call with Sienna, you see that she doesn't have anyone really to confide in either because when this shit happens, she doesn't have her husband a call. She doesn't contact a friend to, you know, vent to about this. She calls her daughter. Knowing her daughter is out at a party enjoying herself,
01:20:51
Speaker
Um, but that's the person that she would talk to about everything at that point. And yeah, just, she's mad at Sienna for drinking. But then when Sienna tells her, you know, I love you, i don't say it as much.
01:21:04
Speaker
You just see, uh, the mom's face. She just calms down and she says, you know, I love you too. I'm sorry that I called you, you know, just have fun. And, yeah, so her death scene that even though it wasn't as graphic, well, it was pretty fucking graphic, but even though it wasn't as fucked up as all the other um death scenes in here, it was very gut wrenching to watch. I hated her her death scene.
01:21:34
Speaker
Yeah, they he didn't make you live in it, but it has one of the hardest punches. It's appropriately placed. I almost wish that he didn't kill her off. Mm-hmm. but i just I saw it coming from a fucking mile away after that phone call.
01:21:50
Speaker
yeah and What's worse is that when Sienna is just getting her beatings from art and she basically is unconscious, she wakes up thinking that her mom is there talking to her.
01:22:04
Speaker
and Then once our realization hits when Jonathan is like, that's not mommy, You see her, her face is kind of painted like ah the little pale girl. She grabs Sienna's head and then Sienna basically sees what happened to her mom.
01:22:21
Speaker
Oh my God, that part. i wanted to cry. and then Sienna has the reaction that Allie's mom should have had when she found Allie brutalized Sienna, Sienna's acting in that moment.
01:22:34
Speaker
Um, I want to say that Lauren Lavera is acting in that moment. It's fantastic. That's what I love about horror. You see it in the smile movies, something I've brought up in this mini C or the season as well.
01:22:47
Speaker
Um, it these characters, these actors get a good chance to let it out and just scream and have at least one moment where they get to go fucking wild. And Sienna doesn't fully have the room to take it there because she's battling a clown demon.
01:23:08
Speaker
But fuck, she channels a lot of emotion that, again, Allie's mom should have channeled when she found Allie dead. Yeah, and what's funny too is i was watching Scream Queens the other night and all of the women, they were spoilers for that if known if any of the listeners haven't seen it, but I'm probably the only person who was just recently watching it.
01:23:32
Speaker
Yeah. When they were all the women in there, they were competing to be in Saw 6 when it came out. And just the coaching tips that they were all getting, they were just, um you know, we need to actually feel your emotion on this.
01:23:52
Speaker
We need to see you, you know, turn it on from being sweet and innocent to evil and maniacal. And a lot of the girls there, they didn't have it. And there was even one girl who was saying, you know, nothing bad has happened to me in my life. So I can't invoke that emotion.
01:24:13
Speaker
But just thinking about it, it's like, wow, actors do have to really dig deep into darker emotions to bring out that side of them in films in order to portray their character ah more effectively. So yeah, Lauren Lavera, she does a fucking bang up job in here.
01:24:36
Speaker
Amazing. She is fantastic. ah Another thing before we fully wrap up, we didn't talk about her hers and Jonathan's dad too much throughout this.
01:24:51
Speaker
There's a little bit of details that I learned from the commentary that weren't in the movie. So their dad, I guess, he dies... a little bit after the events of Terrifier 1. I did a Google AI search, and it says that he died before the events of the first Terrifier, but he has newspaper clippings in his book from the events of the first Terrifier, so that doesn't make sense. He would have had to have died afterwards, but he has these drawings of Art the Clown
01:25:24
Speaker
that those are some of the drawings that really had upset his um wife. But Damon Leone talks about how the dad at the end of his life wasn't doing well mentally, wasn't in a good place, had these delusions, but he was just taking on the burden and the weight of...
01:25:45
Speaker
art the clown and everything that's going on and he was absorbing all of these blows for sienna and creating things for her to be able to take on art the clown i could have got some of that wrong i didn't get to write down verbatim but so there's a little bit of backstory going on with his dad or their dad that i find pretty interesting Nice. i really wish they focused on that a little more. I know they dabble into it in part three. I can't remember all of it. So um I think we're going to have to have some more discussions on the dad once we reach Terrifier 3.
01:26:25
Speaker
And I'm sure part four is really going to get more into the lore too. So I'm excited. um I really am. um Do you have any final thoughts on Terrifier 2 before we wrap it up?
01:26:38
Speaker
fucking badass film badass final girl go watch it if you haven't seen it I'm pretty sure I'm the only one in the world who hadn't seen it up to this point so yeah go watch it who hadn't seen terrifier 2 yeah just because I was opting to not watch the terrifier films because they weren't my cup of tea but then you know my buddy really hyped it up made my husband hyped up for it so of course I had to watch it But now I love him.
01:27:09
Speaker
I think you got into the Terrifier movies before I did. Well, you at least saw part three. So you were you were on board with that film. So you watched some portion of it.
Concluding Thoughts on Terrifier 2
01:27:23
Speaker
Yeah, I'm going to be re-listening to that episode of Terrifier 3 that we recorded. Guys, if you haven't, go check out These Guys Got Juice, our Terrifier 3 episode, that, and our Strange Darling episode, our two that I'm pretty proud of over on that feed.
01:27:39
Speaker
um Yeah, it was really nice talking T2 with you, the the iconic T2, not to be mistaken for Terminator 2 Judgment Day or Trainspotting.
01:27:50
Speaker
I know, that's what I was thinking of Terminator. yeah t2 because i keep texting like t3 t or t2 i think and it's like yeah it feels like i'm talking about terminator movies it's funny this was the only time i thought of terminator when you said that when you text t2 to me i don't even think that i just automatically think of terrifier so but yeah any final thoughts from you Yeah, I thought this movie was great. I rated it three and a half stars on Letterboxd. Go follow me on there at Nicholas Ewers. I could use more followers.
01:28:26
Speaker
i I really dig it, though. This is a strong, strong entry into the franchise. I probably would have ended up rating it a bit higher if they just cut a little bit of the fad out.
01:28:38
Speaker
There's a bit of a pacing issue that I'm finding with these movies that I don't remember Terrifier 3 having. I may focus on it a bit more, and it may stand out a bit more to me now that we're doing these marathons.
01:28:54
Speaker
But Terrifier 3, I mean, it's two hours and five minutes, 15 minutes shorter. Yeah, that would make a big difference in this movie if they cut out 15 minutes out of T2. But overall, I'm very happy with it.
01:29:08
Speaker
I see myself revisiting this one and Terrifier 3 a good amount of times. Maybe the first one too, but this is where it feels like a lot of life and personality has been breathed into this franchise. I'm excited for next week to wrap it up.
01:29:33
Speaker
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