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All Hallows' Eve
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Join Nicholas and Mercedes as they begin their SECOND SEASON!!!
That's right, Season 2! We're done with Chucky, and are now on to Art The Clown! Starting with Damien Leone's short film anthology, All Hallows' Eve! This should be a fun season filled with brutal kills, and incredible special effects. Follow along! Next week, we cover Terrifier!
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Podcast Introduction and Humor
00:01:12
Speaker
Howdy y'all, howdy y'all. What is up? We are Morbid Curiosities bringing you another episode. I'm Nicholas Ewers, and with me is the lightweight champion of the world, the Morbid Mistress of Mayhem herself.
00:01:25
Speaker
Mercedes Martinez. And you know the funny thing? I actually was going to come on here saying how do we do or some Ned Flanders shit. So that's actually pretty cool that you you started us off like that. We're getting the the similar mindset going.
00:01:43
Speaker
Did you catch me laugh before I started ah the take? Actually, no. i just caught you laughing or smiling while you were speaking. so I was like right after I went on this whole spiel about today's going to be a deadly serious episode. no jokes allowed.
00:02:01
Speaker
I'm just like howdy. You know, I like the howdy duty. Yes, this is what Nick does. He says we're going to be dead serious. And then he goes back on his word. It's just where how are how am I supposed to trust you, man?
00:02:16
Speaker
Yeah, the episode begins with a... burn but net and da did that ne na and that it did that man You know, just that level of humor. You know, wooga, wooga. I can't do a wooga sound. Can you you do a wooga?
00:02:29
Speaker
Wooga? Yeah. Wooga, like that? like that yeah No, no. I'll do wooga. Okay, I quit.
00:02:42
Speaker
Good. I like the effort. That was my best effort. Baby steps. we're We're getting you there. I'll get there one day. Eventually you'll be doing Australian and British accents all over the place.
Australian Audience and 'All Hallows Eve' Discussion
00:02:56
Speaker
By the way, shout out to our Australian listeners. you know We know you're out there. We know you're listening. Woo! We discovered that today. um And since you're here joining us, we hope you're, you know, you saw the title of the episode.
00:03:11
Speaker
We hope that ah you're excited for us to talk about All Hallows Eve, Damon Leone's directorial debut. um Going ahead, there's going to be spoilers for this movie.
00:03:23
Speaker
I'm pretty excited to talk about it. um I should mention, I forgot to say it off top, this is a the start of our new season, officially our second season of the show, where we're going to be covering all of the Terrifier movies.
Mercedes' Initial Disinterest in Terrifier Films
00:03:39
Speaker
So before we get into hollowows All Hallows' Eve, um I actually want to know, what is your relationship like with this franchise as a whole, if you don't mind me kind of going into that before we dive into the movie?
00:03:54
Speaker
So i never watched any of the Terrifier films. I saw a clip of this one, All Hallows' Eve at one point, the ah just the train station scene,
00:04:08
Speaker
and I was just thinking it's another clown film. I really don't feel like watching that. And then the more films that came out, all I kept hearing was how gruesome it was, how gory it was, how twisted art the Clown is. And I was just thinking, yep, I'm not watching that.
00:04:26
Speaker
So I just I left it a load. But everyone kept talking about Terrifier 3. um you guys covered it. and These guys got juice. One of my buddies was saying how how great it was, and I really need to watch that one and the second one.
00:04:43
Speaker
So, of course, that was when my husband's like, oh, yeah, we can watch this movie. So... I just look at him thinking, out of all movies that you could watch from the horror genre, you pick the one that I don't want to watch.
00:04:56
Speaker
But um we didn't watch this one. We started with Terrifier and we kind of got hooked after the second one. So I watched everything backwards pretty much.
00:05:12
Speaker
Nice, nice. Now, in regard to your husband actually gravitating towards this, there is an appeal about these Terrifier movies that is like widespread.
Nicholas' Experience with Terrifier 3 Audience
00:05:23
Speaker
It's a phenomenon.
00:05:25
Speaker
When I saw Terrifier 3, which that was that's the only one I've seen, so all of these I'm going in completely blind, completely fresh. It's pretty exciting. But um there were a bunch of kids...
00:05:40
Speaker
in our Terrifier 3 screening that we were at, and i'm I'm talking like little, little kids, maybe like second grade or third grade, it was pretty wild. it it felt kind of inappropriate, but honestly, I think I was way more terrified than they were it it was uh but you know i won't spoil a whole lot of terrifier 3 i had a lot of fun with that and i'm so excited to get into these but yeah it doesn't surprise me that your husband even though maybe not so into horror like
00:06:17
Speaker
Saw something in Terrifier and was like, I really want to watch these. I mean, Art the Clown is all over TikTok, I think. I'm not like too tapped into TikTok, but from what I've heard, he's all over there. I think that's why like kids have an attachment to Art the Clown.
00:06:33
Speaker
It makes sense to me. He has some interesting tastes when he does decide to ah pick a horror film. But I mean, I actually ended up um enjoying though the ah the second and third Terrifier movies. so um But another time another conversation for
Damien Leone's Filmmaking Journey
00:06:51
Speaker
another time. i know how much you love when I jump the gun and start talking about the later movies in the franchise. So let me just shut up.
00:06:59
Speaker
yeah Well, let's not spoil anything for the listeners. This might be, you know, their first time watching any of these, which sorry, kind of that if you watched it because of us, um it's not required viewing necessarily. And I don't mean that in a bad way.
00:07:18
Speaker
Like right now, I have a lot of respect for Damon Leon. I think that's how you say his name. Is it Leon or Leone? Do you know? I feel like it's Leone. There was maybe one person I heard who said Leone, but i ah hear multiple people saying Leone or Leone.
00:07:38
Speaker
Okay, I think it's Leonie. I just watched a couple interviews with him today, too, and they said his name, and I want to say it's Leonie. I got to, like, pay attention to stuff like that.
00:07:48
Speaker
But um I have a great respect for the guy and everything he does. But going into this movie, I didn't know that it's basically watching it when we get to the first or the first segment. I was like, oh, we're watching, like,
00:08:04
Speaker
ah a series of student films, basically, or like you know someone finding their footing in filmmaking, kind of figuring out what narrative is and maybe not fully getting it. like This movie, these segments have a lot of fat on it. We're with these characters in basically like almost real time. I'm sure if he made this movie these short films today, they would be done very differently.
00:08:30
Speaker
I do want to say the Terrifier segment is like my favorite one. That is a legitimately good piece of horror. um I'll get into my thoughts on the other ones a bit more as we get into the episode.
00:08:43
Speaker
But I have a lot of respect for what this is. Damien Leone basically had ah the Ninth Circle Art the Clown short film. That's the first segment. And he had Terrifier, the third segment in the film. And put them on YouTube, got funding from a producer ah to make an anthology film called All Hallows Even, basically made the second segment, which is an alien segment, and this ah framing device, which is these kids find...
Nostalgic VHS Setup in 'All Hallows Eve'
00:09:15
Speaker
Damien Leone's student film reel in their ah bag of Halloween candy and end up watching it. So I find it all very interesting and I'm excited to get more into it with you as we as we talk about it. but So what are your initial thoughts on All Hallows Eve? What did you what did you think about it going into it and what were what were you expecting?
00:09:39
Speaker
I... Didn't know what to expect. I, well, that's a lie. I would say that I was just expecting something pretty crazy just because people didn't really talk about this film, that they liked this film. Um, so I had a feeling I wasn't going to like it either. Um, but then, well, can I start jumping into the scene now?
00:10:09
Speaker
Yeah, you can. Full spoilers ahead for this movie, even though not a lot to spoil. um You can probably listen to this episode without watching the movie, actually. And again, no offense to Damien Leone or anybody, but this isn't really required viewing. I feel like you can just hop right into Terrifier.
00:10:28
Speaker
Cool, cool. We're doing the work for you guys. We watched it so you don't have to. Exactly. But hopefully you do. It's a fun ride. um But yeah, so just the opening where these kids, you know, they they went trick-or-treating. They're home. They're eating their candy. They're watching um scary movies.
00:10:51
Speaker
And they find the cassette just... before they even put the the videotape in it was cool just because it brought me back to that that homey feeling where i went trick-or-treating and then i went home and i was tired as hell but you know just going through all my candy seeing how much i can eat at that moment it was very nostalgic wait but dude you had better candy selections than those kids i'm sure Of course I did. yeah um
00:11:24
Speaker
I didn't even pay attention to their candy because I knew it was going to be garbage. They had public domain candy. They're like, okay, nothing with logos that we can get sued for having. right found it funny.
00:11:36
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yeah Definitely. But yeah, it would it was cool. Even the way the aesthetic of the home looks, everything you could just tell was from, you know, years ago, not like the modernized film now. And i I swear I heard this before and I don't remember where from.
00:11:58
Speaker
Maybe someone in someone in the audience can help us out with that. um Damien Leone never wants to make a modern looking film. He always wants to have like that grainy type of style to it.
00:12:15
Speaker
um Have you heard that or have any information on that?
Grainy Aesthetic of Terrifier Films
00:12:20
Speaker
I haven't heard that directly from him, but he does seem to really like, uh, I would say like, I don't know if you could call it a grindhouse style. That's what I've heard it referred to as. It it looks like, uh, old film, basically old worn out film.
00:12:34
Speaker
And, uh, I really dig the look. i I don't think these are actually shot on film. I would be kind of surprised if a movie of like this, these level budget wasn't done digitally.
00:12:47
Speaker
But um I haven't heard ah that directly from Damien Leone himself that he won't do something that looks modern. Well, I can't remember if it was from him himself or if someone did like an interview and he had mentioned something of the sort. So I was just curious on that.
00:13:07
Speaker
it wouldn't surprise me. He definitely has a vibe and it, the grindhouse look, the old film reel look doesn't carry over throughout all of this movie. It seems to maybe just come in in certain segments and like certain parts of certain segments.
00:13:25
Speaker
But ah he really fully adopts that look by at least terrifier three, because that's only one I've seen since then. And it's a good look, man. I love it for these movies.
00:13:36
Speaker
Yes, same here. so When the the kids find the tape, their babysitter, she wants to just you know check to see what's on it first before letting them watch it.
00:13:49
Speaker
One, what the fuck was with this badass little shit, Timmy? He kept talking back to this bitch. and I'm sorry, he was just so fucking disrespectful. Yes, and he was dressed like a dude from like a Attack Attack or something. i was just like, what is that his Halloween costume?
00:14:06
Speaker
Probably. He looks like a fucking wiener. i was so mad about that. Yeah, he was definitely a punk, though. Yeah, no, he needed to get slapped. What did you think of the babysitter?
00:14:18
Speaker
She's pretty old to be a babysitter. That's what I was saying. I was thinking, is this an aunt of theirs? Because she does not look like a teenager. and I know it's a thing to get adults to portray portray ah teenage characters in films, and sometimes they can pull that off.
00:14:38
Speaker
Not this one. No offense to her. She's very beautiful, but still. So that makes me ask you the question. So you have nieces and nephews that you watch horror movies with or have watched horror movies with?
00:14:54
Speaker
Only nephews. Nephews. So let's say they're about the age of these kids and they go trick-or-treating and same situation plays out. Find a VHS of Damien Leone's student films.
00:15:07
Speaker
No, but let's say you find an unmarked VHS. Do you put it in in front of them? It's probably porn, right? That's what my initial thought was. i was thinking, why the fuck would she put it on while they were there? Because they didn't go into another room. You could see they just walked a few spaces around her.
00:15:26
Speaker
But clearly, that's... I mean, that wasn't what she found, but that's what I thought was going to be on the tape. And it's just... How do you not know that's not what's on there? And whatever. She dodged a bullet there, I guess.
00:15:44
Speaker
And my first thought watching this was, it's so weird that this thing isn't found footage. And then that's when I was like, the framing device had to have been an afterthought. Like this, was like, this had to have been just a series of horror shorts before I did like any research because I expected it to be like oh we're gonna watch like art the clown like snuff footage or something it's gonna be like like VHS similar to those movies it really wasn't but I still appreciated it for what it was it doesn't fully function within the form because
00:16:22
Speaker
what's What is the logic, would you say? They they are watching a movie. They aren't watching like actual snuff footage. Yeah, they're just they're watching a film. and i like the fact that throughout each story, they do um go back real-time showing the kids or the babysitters or the babysitter and how disturbed they or how...
00:16:50
Speaker
fascinated um and intrigued dumbass Timmy looks. um ah So because i I kept forgetting that thinking, oh, we're just watching whatever is going on with these people. But then remembering, oh, yeah, you know, they are actually watching a series of short films right now. So I like that little spin on it. um i I definitely see where what you're saying, like the framing device of it is what kind of um sealed it all in.
00:17:19
Speaker
So would you say you like this movie?
Mixed Feelings about 'All Hallows Eve'
00:17:21
Speaker
I like the creepy intro where it's a babysitter watching a fucked up film with these two kids and then her dumb ass watches it without them by herself. Just that uneasy feeling.
00:17:40
Speaker
And the last section of this film. This movie is like 50% there. This movie is 50% there. I don't know if you would agree with me. I rated this i rated this about two stars on Letterboxd.
00:17:57
Speaker
I don't know if i if this movie should have a rating, though. It is just pretty much a student film at the end of the day. Yeah, I can't even rate this film because there were some details like I just mentioned that I like and then some that was just, what the fuck? so to me, it's kind of like a project that's pass or fail.
00:18:25
Speaker
it it's I'd say it's a pass at least, but i i can't give it a full-on rating. I agree with you. I'd say it's a pass.
00:18:35
Speaker
That's a good way to put it. Pass or fail. This was really a way for Damien to get...
Following Dreams in Filmmaking
00:18:43
Speaker
We're on a first name basis now, me and Damien. and Just because I keep fucking up his last name.
00:18:48
Speaker
That's so good. Damien was trying to get, i want to say, like a bigger budget to make more, put his work out there just to create more opportunities for himself as a filmmaker or a special effects artist. And Again, as someone who aspires to be a filmmaker or work in the film industry in some capacity, I'm really nowhere near that. I'm just talking about movies at this point, which really but...
00:19:19
Speaker
which i really do enjoy but I have dreams like that. Maybe i won't succeed. Maybe I won't get there, but i dream. And he, he had the same dream and he was doing it. And I really ah respect this work. It, it's pretty cool. I don't dislike this thing. I would spend money and own it in a box set.
00:19:42
Speaker
I hope this thing does like live on. Um, outside of the streaming era ah in this Terrifier series. I hope it doesn't get completely overlooked because it is like a nice little stamp in time of like, here's the creation of Art the Clown. Here's the establishment of Damien Leone as a filmmaker.
00:20:03
Speaker
It's awesome. Moral of the story, guys, follow your dreams. We've been morbid curiosity. That did feel like a wrap up. It really did. um But i mean, no, he he really ah put in the work. He was trying to get, I think, even um crowdfunding to just um yeah I think it was, oh, if you spent this much, you could be an extra in the film um and then just like boosting up the the money mark higher.
00:20:37
Speaker
so i mean he he he did succeed because... making this he didn't plan on having art the clown be the focal point but everyone latched on to him and he's been able to make a few extra movies and always amp up the brutality in each one so he's doing his thing he's succeeding follow your dreams people Oh, he's succeeding like fucking crazy. We'll get into Terrifier 3 and how much that dominated. I think it made more than 100 times its budget.
00:21:13
Speaker
But that movie, I want to say, cost maybe less than a million. I'll do the research before the Terrifier 3 episode, guys. But it outgrossed Joker Folly Adieu.
00:21:24
Speaker
It made tens of millions, like dozens of millions of dollars. It's... Pretty crazy what this guy's been able to accomplish. This guy, and um i assume he has a team that he works with on all of these movies. Damien Leone and his team. I'll try to look up those guys a little bit more down the line and shout them out or pay attention to the credits. but And then Art the Clown.
00:21:47
Speaker
This isn't the ah guy who ends up going on to play Art the Clown. I don't think he is, right? No, this guy is ah Mike Gianelli, and um following that is David Howard Thornton.
00:22:03
Speaker
David Howard Thornton. That guy. He's going to be making a living off of Comic-Cons the rest of his life, no matter what he decides to do. He will always have Art the Clown appearances to fall back on.
00:22:17
Speaker
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I will save all my stuff for the next film. Because you can definitely see the differences between their behavior ah in this one and in the Terrifier films. So i'm I'm excited for you to watch it.
00:22:34
Speaker
I'm very excited to dive into Terrifier.
Excitement for Terrifier Series
00:22:37
Speaker
I was thinking about it before we started recording. I was like, damn. I'm probably going to watch Terrifier tonight when we get done. I think I'm going to go straight into it.
00:22:47
Speaker
I'm really fucking excited for this. More than I think I will be about. I'm going to be excited about most of the series that we're covering and most of these seasons we're going to be creating for ourselves.
00:23:00
Speaker
But this is something I was really excited to do. We were planning on maybe doing something else instead of this. I forgot what it was, but ah this was my pick. And i I had pivoted. I was like, I really want to do these terrifiers, man. And you were like, let's do them. And so, yeah we're here.
00:23:20
Speaker
Yeah, I'm already on the fucking bandwagon with with this guy with the Terrifier world, so I i was hyped. it was It didn't take a lot of convincing on your part to get me on board with switching.
00:23:34
Speaker
Oh, yeah. This is going to be a wild ride. I'm really excited. I feel like Terrifier is going to be a step up from Hallows' Eve. I do want to ask you, what are your thoughts on Art the Clown in All Hallows' Eve?
00:23:52
Speaker
I'm very, um torn because he has some parts that really did freak me out,
Art the Clown vs. Pennywise
00:24:02
Speaker
honestly. I'm not going to lie. um Not that it made me scared, but just kind of thinking about it and really zoning in on the frame with him in there in whatever scene it was.
00:24:15
Speaker
That part just, it was creepy. um So like in the initial part of the episode, the videotape that they're watching after they see all the images of like what looks to be an insane asylum, right? The first segment?
00:24:33
Speaker
Yeah. um Oh, so the first segment is a train station, I want to say. Originally, Damien Leone wanted it on a bus, but they ended up doing it ah train station. That first segment is the one I texted to you, actually, the Ninth Circle, I think.
00:24:51
Speaker
I had no idea ah originally. Oh, no, it wasn't that part. It was just like a tiny part prior to that. They just show. yeah. And then they just show Arthur Cloud and how he looks today pretty much just poking out of a room. And then it goes into the train station segment.
00:25:10
Speaker
I forgot about that segment. Yeah, that is... It looks like an abandoned insane asylum. My assumption watching it the second time was that it was maybe hell or that hell area that they find themselves in at the end of it.
00:25:26
Speaker
I wasn't too sure how to interpret it, but... Because we're seeing glimpses of all these crazy creatures um throughout that whole intro. Some really interesting looking creatures, too, where it's like...
00:25:41
Speaker
Damien, expand on that with your makeup, which ah he does. Terrifier 3 has some fucking shit in it that we'll get into. Now who's jumping the gun? i don't want to hear shit from you anymore. I know. I'm really excited.
00:25:54
Speaker
And it's the last one in the series. It's going to take us the longest to get there. But Terrifier 1 and 2 are probably going to give us a lot of juice, a lot of stuff to talk about. Yeah, I'm excited.
00:26:06
Speaker
um But yeah, once they do get into the train station segment, that yeah alone, that whole scene was just uncomfortable to watch because I had to commute a lot to school, ah to the college that I went to. i had even gone to a community college in the city at one point.
00:26:28
Speaker
So I had to take the Metro. I had to take the CTA and just um the station. And there reminded me of Millennium Station ah downtown. Really?
00:26:41
Speaker
Yeah, it just it brought me back to, you know, just being there late at night, whether I was at leaving school or just leaving a day behind where I was just downtown with a friend or so.
00:26:54
Speaker
um I would just be sitting in the station. Mind you, the station was pretty packed. You know, there were quite a few people in there. You had maybe an employee here and there. It wasn't dead ah quiet like this one was, but just thinking, wow, you know, if I was there and, you know, kind of thinking,
00:27:17
Speaker
or being a little more aware of my surroundings, because back then I wasn't, let's be real, and I saw a clown just sitting there in front of me, I don't know what the fuck I would have done. I probably just would have ran away and probably would have attacked me.
00:27:32
Speaker
Mercedes, but that exact same train station, all you had to do is just imagine Batman riding in to save your life, because in the dark night, Batman is chasing the Joker through Millennium Station,
00:27:46
Speaker
That's true. That's true. For the listeners who don't know, if you haven't seen The Dark Knight, that like a little underground area that Batman, he shoots the glass when he's on his motorcycle and rides through and people are dodging him, that's Millennium Station in Chicago that she's talking about. If you want a good visual of the actual train station Mercedes is talking about in this scenario.
00:28:11
Speaker
Good callback. Good way to mix those two or mesh those two worlds. He's chasing a clown. True. Batman will protect you, even though I think Art would kill Batman.
00:28:22
Speaker
I think Art kills Batman. Wow. Do you have no faith in Batman? ah Not against art, man. I mean, dude, the Joker wanted to get caught, and they caught him.
00:28:34
Speaker
Batman's not necessarily doing his best work in that situation. Spoilers for the Dark Knight. Rachel dies moments later. Art is kind of more evil than the Joker. The Joker laughs at the things that make us cry. Yes, he is the crown ah the clown prince of crime. Yes, but art is clown demon, I think.
00:28:57
Speaker
so I thought it was cool because watching the scene, he's kind of you know tormenting um this a girl who's waiting to board the train.
00:29:08
Speaker
He's just fucking with her, annoying her. and Then finally, once he gives her a flower that has like roaches or bugs in it, she freaks out. His whole ah demeanor changed. He was kind of being goofy. He was smiling.
00:29:25
Speaker
was looking kind of cute. If that floats your boat, man, go for it. not Not this art. This art, he looked he reminded me of Ronald ronald McDonald, his up appearance in this segment.
00:29:39
Speaker
I can see that, yeah, except less like a pedophile. True. And that's that's kind of what I was leading into, not the pedophile part.
00:29:52
Speaker
But he injects her with whatever to knock her ass out. And then once she's starting to succumb to whatever drug was ah ah injected in her, she looks back at him and he's waving to her.
00:30:09
Speaker
in demon form essentially and his eyes they look like dead lights from Stephen King's Pennywise. Yeah. um Yeah so I did see a few um interviews or just ah reviews on the movie where Damien Leone he was kind of contrasting what Pennywise looked like so since he's very colorful he has Arthur Cloud being black and white.
00:30:38
Speaker
And, you know, Pennywise has like ah that little ball button nose type of deal where he has like a rigid nose in here. um So I kind of think that's where the eyes were pulled from.
00:30:54
Speaker
I dig it. Gotta say, Art the Clown, better than both iterations of Pennywise. Throwing it out there. Throwing it out there.
00:31:07
Speaker
Pennywise doesn't move the needle for me. I like the first Pennywise more than the new one, but and they're not really moving the needle for me. Not in the way Art is. Art is funny. He has bits.
00:31:20
Speaker
He is a fan of Santa, as we will talk about. um I like art more than Pennywise.
Why Art the Clown is Scarier?
00:31:29
Speaker
let's Let's chill on that. you can't You can't disrespect Tim Curry because he was the original Pennywise and ah Bill...
00:31:41
Speaker
Pennywise didn't mean the original Pennywise. Shut up. Pennywise who? Stephen King was coked out. That book doesn't need to be 47 hours long.
00:31:52
Speaker
No, it doesn't. But um the the the simple fact that Tim Curry was the one that played Pennywise, that just makes that ah that clown iconic. That makes him...
00:32:06
Speaker
a notch above uh art the clown now i can't fucking talk already but yeah don't don't be disrespecting tim curry i don't disagree with him being i iconic and i wasn't trying to disrespect tim curry pennywise as a character as a concept doesn't really do much for me he seems scarier in the book than he does in the movies and i'm not trying to be one of those people like the book the book i just shit on the book earlier but He does seem scarier in the book.
00:32:35
Speaker
ah The movies don't seem like they use him to his full potential. He's like a horror demon. They really lean into the clown thing pretty heavily.
00:32:47
Speaker
But yeah, he doesn't... I still gotta to say art moves the needle for me more than either of the Pennywise. Art, I find legitimately scary. I was afraid to watch these Terrifier movies...
00:33:00
Speaker
ah ah About like 10 minutes into it I was like okay yeah not really doing much for me I was very surprised how much I didn't like those Andy Muschietti it movies How old were you when you watched the original it movie um man I didn't watch that until I was in high school maybe So I watched it as a little kid, so it terrified the fuck out of me.
00:33:28
Speaker
And it's funny because the jokes that Tim Curry does say in there for its time, those were probably knee slappers. I can't think of them off the top of my head, but...
00:33:40
Speaker
Everyone probably loved them. so But i will I will give you credit because you at least read the book or audiobook, whatever. Oh, I didn't. No. I had somebody who read it tell me everything that happened. and i They gave it to me, too, for free on Audible. And I was just like, I'm not...
00:33:59
Speaker
I was like, there are books that I have ah way more interest I could read four books that I really want in the time of this it thing. And i invested too much time into it by watching those movies, too.
00:34:14
Speaker
I don't need to read the book. My buddy explained it to me over the ah summer we were working together while he was reading it. Okay. um Never mind then. But ah back to this, what what are your thoughts on Art the Clown?
00:34:32
Speaker
in In this movie specifically? Yes. He does seem very different from segment one to segment three. You could tell there was maybe a budget increase or they figured it out more for the Terrifier short film. Because that's originally what the third segment was, if I haven't said already. That was the 20-minute Terrifier short film that Damien Leone has on his ah credit list on Letterboxd and IMDb.
00:35:01
Speaker
But... I like him very much in the third segment. He's not really in the first segment too much. I had texted you halfway through watching this saying, damn,
00:35:14
Speaker
I didn't know Art wasn't really in this. I'm watching in this. I didn't say this, but I was thinking, I'm watching this alien shit happen. What is this? We can get into that.
00:35:27
Speaker
Art the Clown in the third segment really works. It is the... foundations of ah a really strong horror icon.
00:35:38
Speaker
I dig it. he didn't Him driving I found kind of funny. I found it very Michael Myers. This feels like the foundation of a iconic of a horror icon.
Art the Clown's Icon Status
00:35:52
Speaker
I really dig everything he's doing in that second segment. It's gross. It's nasty. He's hack sawing somebody's head off at certain points. It's scary.
00:36:04
Speaker
i will say that third segment you're with this girl in almost real time and you could cut some fat. I think Damien Leone probably became better at editing or maybe got a better editor they figured I'm sure they figured it out. It makes probably tells a better, more smooth narrative, all of the Terrifier stories going forward.
00:36:28
Speaker
But he works for me. he It felt really cool to watch this, and I'm excited to see where he goes, of course. But... I genuinely found him scary at times. I was filled with tension at certain points and the very end of the movie too.
00:36:45
Speaker
I don't know if that made your pulse pound at all, but I started to feel pretty tense with him in the reflection. Once they got to the third segment, that's that that's the part that I like the most.
00:36:58
Speaker
But that's where I was getting a little on edge because, you know, this girl, she she's low on gas. Well, no, she is not low on gas. She is on e-driving. don't know how people do that.
00:37:12
Speaker
by Yeah, I hit a quarter tank and I'm at a gas station. Yeah, that's the lowest I'll do. I know sometimes i might go a little lower, but it's like, I will not drive on fucking eat You're going to jack up your car.
00:37:26
Speaker
i got gas at 22% when I got gas. you know That's the lowest I really go. Be responsible, people. Yeah, you never know when an art the clown is going to go after you. You've got to anticipate the worst.
00:37:42
Speaker
Exactly. and One detail that really set me off in this part was... and it's just stupid.
00:37:54
Speaker
She um goes over that little cord thingy to call for the the gas attendant to come and pump her gas. I would never fucking do that if we still have option to.
00:38:07
Speaker
i would never fucking do that because of the simple fact I don't want to talk to someone that I don't have to. i will always pay at the pump, and if I...
00:38:19
Speaker
can't there's like five percent of my brain telling me just go to a different gas station because you don't want to go inside to talk to the gas attendant so um i would have someone pump the gas for me if it were cold outside you would do that you would be this bitch if it were cold outside yeah i would be like hey pump commoner pump what if it was a female Yeah, does she know who I am? i have a podcast, so.
00:38:49
Speaker
Yeah, I can't risk getting ah sore throat, a scratchy throat, going out in that weather. Okay, sorry. Let me take that back. Sorry. Sorry, your highness. um But no, I just thought that was a funny detail that came to mind.
00:39:06
Speaker
She um sees the gas attendant ah or station attendant come out, but he has Art the Clown, yes, looking noticeably different. And, you know, Art, you know...
00:39:20
Speaker
used the bathroom and created artwork in the bathroom. And they both just look at the girl who's just staring at them. And then Art just kind of walks away. That was so fucking creepy. And then, yeah, the...
00:39:39
Speaker
scene where he's in the car with her he's trying to choke her um her dumb ass i probably went out of order she uh saw that um parked car with uh their um their blinkers on why would you stop to go beg them for help but your dumb ass has a full tank of gas keep fucking driving there is absolutely no reason to stop sorry ah So that happens right after she sees the gas station attendant getting his head sawed off.
00:40:15
Speaker
Right, right. And that's what happens. She gets in her car, dips, and then finds this other car on the side of the road. No, she drives past Art with a sign that says Circus, I think. Right, yeah. And then she finds this car ah with ah its hazards on.
00:40:30
Speaker
And honestly... Her behavior in that situation is ridiculous. She approaches the car, opens it, and this person's like, they look like they've been in an accident. This person looks like they're worse off than you are right now, and you're like, I need help, help me. And she like tries to wake him up, and they're all fucked up.
00:40:52
Speaker
What did you think of that? I'm not going to lie. I had to turn my head at that part because I knew something was going to be wrong with the face, um obviously. And... Did you get any kind of a look at it?
00:41:04
Speaker
I did, and I'm thoroughly disturbed. But ah yeah, her that's what I'm saying. Her dumbass, and um thank you for saying blinkers, or hazards, not blinkers. um Her dumbass sees this car. what Yeah, but you're trying to sound grammatically correct all the time, and I just sound like ah an average schmo here, so I need to correct myself too.
00:41:25
Speaker
But yeah, her just seeing the ah car like that, it's like, okay, they are in no position to help you, even if they weren't in this car crash or predicament that they were in.
00:41:39
Speaker
But your dumbass still goes up there, is like begging for them to help. You open the car door when you see them with their head just her head is on the fucking steering wheel.
00:41:51
Speaker
Okay, do you think she's just resting? Like, what the hell? so She just had to take a nap right there. Maybe she was just really fucked up or something. She was really drunk, had to pull over, just get a little break from driving.
00:42:08
Speaker
Oh, God. I don't know. That was that was such a stupid part on her end. She had no hands. No hands. Her eyes were all fucked She was so fucked up. i was And she's alive.
00:42:20
Speaker
ah That always upsets me when people are extremely just fucked up and in peril and are still alive, which is basically where our main character finds herself by the end of this movie.
Prosthetics and Gore Comparison
00:42:34
Speaker
Yeah, I've noticed that Damien really likes to go that route. So it's going to be a fun ride. That's all want That last shot of that girl from the final segment, at first it really upset me.
00:42:52
Speaker
And I was watching this one ah with my girlfriend, and she was like, I can't believe they showed the vagina again. of that girl and watching it the second time actually um it looked like that whole body was just one big prosthetic if that's what you would call it and it looked like her head was coming in through the table right did you catch that I did because, you know, when she they when they're zoomed in on her face and she's looking at all of her body parts, um well, her body and seeing like all the words carved into her body, that you could see, okay, you know, it's fake. But then once they zoom out and have like the crane shot of ah her whole body,
00:43:41
Speaker
Yeah, you could tell it was so fake and her eye movement just looked stupidly robotic. So that kind of killed what ah the element of surprise there for me.
00:43:57
Speaker
Yeah, that was the thing that made Terrifier 3 easier to watch is I was able to notice the prosthetics in a lot of cases. So it made it way less intense for me. And yeah i appreciated it for that.
00:44:12
Speaker
I was like, okay, this isn't... It didn't feel like watching the Evil Dead remake with the violence of Terrifier, because that would have been too much to handle.
00:44:24
Speaker
They're done a bit differently. I can't explain how, but they there's a look, a visual difference in both of those movies. But the 2013 Evil Dead, the violence isn't to the degree of Terrifier, but it feels so upsetting and nasty.
00:44:43
Speaker
Have you seen the 2013 Evil Dead remake? That's the one with, oh crap, I can't remember her name. It's the female drug addict, right?
00:44:54
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, I actually really like that one. I love that movie, actually. That's one of my favorite horror movies. I have it on my all-time favorite movies list. It's so good.
00:45:06
Speaker
I saw it in theaters, and it was one of the most effective theater horror experiences for me. I was so tense. Just like, oh, my God. how I don't know if I can handle more of this. Not many horror movies have done that. Yeah, I agree on that with ah the Evil Dead remake.
00:45:23
Speaker
um I didn't get to see it in theaters, um but when I finally did watch it I was just like, what the fuck did I just watch and I need to watch it again? um so yeah I definitely enjoy that film, but Yeah, kind of going off of what you said, um you can definitely notice the prosthetics in these films, ah not just this one, obviously, going forward.
Unsettling Creature Affects Appetite
00:45:48
Speaker
And i think that is what made me a little more comfortable watching these films because like I've said before, i don't like super gory films or anything of the sort.
00:46:02
Speaker
Watching these, you could see how fake it is. And then since I watched a lot of interviews of the actors and um behind the scenes type of deal, it just kind of prepared me for that. Whereas this, there wasn't too much that I could find. I know you found a lot of information on it, but um i just I knew it was going to be just like a student film pretty much, but just some of the um the designs of the other fucking characters. like
00:46:37
Speaker
What was that thing in the basement or hell? It was like a burned blob of something. The one that was like salivating and ah yeah chops up the one girl. Yeah, let's get into these segments. So that's the ninth circle.
00:46:54
Speaker
And we don't have to spend a crazy amount of time on them if you don't want to. But this movie... So I'll break it down real quick. This girl is in a train station. She ends up getting drugged, injected with a needle from Art the Clown, ends up in this basement where like area, some like weird dark tunnel with these two girls that are also chained up. They talk about how... like So another girl got dragged away and they plan to try to escape.
00:47:25
Speaker
And then all hell breaks loose with these weird demons and all these different creatures. And so are you're talking about the big meaty one that was salivating.
00:47:37
Speaker
Yeah, when I saw that, I was eating, and i instantly, like, even when I was putting it on, I was thinking, I should not be eating when I'm watching this, because I know something is going to just fuck up my taste, or my appetite.
00:47:54
Speaker
Dude, I had the same exact thought. I had dinner and ate it before. I made sure i ate it before. you you were You took the smart route. I didn't. And, you know, I was thinking I can stomach this. You know, I've seen the other films. This one, it can't be that gruesome if I can handle the other ones.
00:48:16
Speaker
Nope, I was wrong. i was dead wrong on that.
00:48:21
Speaker
Did it completely kill your appetite? This is about, like... This is about, I'd say, 20 minutes into the movie. Maybe. When this guy shows up. Maybe 30.
00:48:32
Speaker
Alien segment, I paused it at one point and it was near 45 minutes in. So... It could be, like, 30 minutes... Yeah, it it was around there. It wasn't and didn't completely throw it off. i just Once I saw that character, I just had to turn away because I was not about to waste my food.
00:48:53
Speaker
But you know it was it was not a great watch at the time while I was eating. So guys, if you haven't seen this film, please eat something before watching it.
00:49:05
Speaker
That way you don't ah make the same mistake I did. Be like Nick in this case.
Watch on an Empty Stomach
00:49:11
Speaker
That's a valuable PSA. i was debating on eating while watching the movie just because of time constraints. It was very late when I was putting it on and I didn't actually get to finish it in one sitting.
00:49:25
Speaker
And since then I've watched it twice and I think I'd be able to eat during it without an issue. But that is a very good PSA and heed that warning with all of the Terrifier movies going forward.
00:49:38
Speaker
So going back after you watch ah all three segments of the film, you're back to the babysitter. She had already sent the kids to bed.
00:49:50
Speaker
um the the The daughter, um Tia, I think, she she thinks there's someone in her closet, so she goes to sleep with her brother in his room. And, um, when the babysitter comes upstairs to check on them, you know, she's like, I told you guys to go to sleep, stop ah walking around the house or whatever. And the, the boy Timmy is saying, you know, we would be sleeping if you would stop coming in to check on us a lot.
00:50:18
Speaker
I forgot what happens from there to where she comes back. Oh, no, no, no. She goes back downstairs and doesn't the tape turn on or she turns on the tape again and then that's when she sees Arthur Cloud and just staring at her.
00:50:33
Speaker
When she goes to check on him and comes back down, then she starts the terrifier segment. Got it. Okay. So what happens after terrifier is she, like, turns it off in panic because she sees the gross prosthetics in that girl, and she was like, oh, my God, I can't believe they would show the vagina.
00:50:52
Speaker
And then, yeah, she had the thought, oh, wait, those are prosthetics. No, but... She gets a phone call and it's the girl from the segment calling her. And was that her actual friend who she talked to? I don't know. Did we hear her friend's voice? I couldn't piece it together.
00:51:10
Speaker
If that friend, the fashion designer, I think she was. I read that on the Wikipedia plot summary that the girl was a fashion designer in the third segment. Yeah, she was. um i don't know if that was her actual friend or if she just thought that that was her friend calling her back in that panic.
00:51:31
Speaker
I don't know, actually. that That's a good point to make. It's interesting to have to play with time like that because it's like, so you just watched all of this happen and then you get a phone call and so you can only assume, is this happening right now or am I just hearing a recording of the tape that I just watched?
00:51:57
Speaker
Right. Yeah, that part really freaked me out. I would like to believe that there's some weird timey-wimey shit that Art the Clown has going on.
00:52:08
Speaker
Timey-wimey for all the Doctor Who fans out there. Yeah, he seems to have some type of supernatural shit going on with him. He got like the deadlights thing going on He seems like he can be in two places at once or at least teleport to another spot very quickly.
00:52:29
Speaker
so I don't know.
Babysitter's Encounter with Art the Clown
00:52:31
Speaker
I don't know. But yeah, she she ends up seeing art the Clown. um All of a sudden, he is looking at her at the screen or through the screen, and then he walks up to the screen and is essentially like...
00:52:49
Speaker
you know banging on the television screen as if it was a window while he's staring up at her. And he's in a basement that feels like it was a basement for just budget reasons. They were like, what do we have? A basement?
00:53:03
Speaker
Shoot it there. Yeah, probably. Whose basement? ah You can use my basement. All right, cool. Probably, yeah. um And then she's in like, I don't know how to describe it, but she's in this weird, ah she sees him on or she sees herself in the TV screen and on the film, but she sees Art the Clown sitting behind her. And then when she turns around, he's not there, but she sees him slowly approaching her in the film.
00:53:36
Speaker
It's as if there's a live camera feed where Art the Clown is there, but in reality, he's not actually there. What would you do in that situation? Because I was thinking maybe I would walk up to him like where he's supposed to be standing and just like touch in that area.
00:53:54
Speaker
I don't know. Would that be a dumb move? Would that get me killed? I mean, i would run away. That does seem like a good move too. Just leave the house. Fuck the kids.
00:54:06
Speaker
Exactly. They're good. They this. exactly what I was saying when I was watching this. At that point, just fucking leave. you know Fuck these kids. They're upstairs sleeping. you know They want to act grown. They want to watch that movie. Fine. Deal with Art the Clown. You know you want to be grown-ups.
00:54:22
Speaker
Now you have Art the Clown. Look what you did. Exactly. I'm out of here. I'm not getting paid enough to die for you. This is why I can't be babysitting kids like that. um Because of Art the Clown? The fear of Art the Clown?
00:54:38
Speaker
Yes. I always had a fear of someone breaking into the house when I was little, courtesy of Scream. um but You don't have to worry about that. Kids don't need to be around for that to happen.
00:54:52
Speaker
You know, you you didn't have to get logical with that. the The girl, she she is able to ah you know eject the tape and then she destroys it and all of a sudden Art's not behind her anymore.
00:55:07
Speaker
But then doesn't she hear something or a scream from upstairs? And then that's when she sees our art up there and he's all bloody and just laughing.
00:55:18
Speaker
Yeah, when the girl lets out a scream, I think. And the babysitter's like, oh my god. where that' sort I would be like, it's my signal to leave. That scream means I go.
00:55:29
Speaker
I'm out. Yeah, thanks for the warning, kid. Right. yeah She goes up there, she sees Art, he's laughing, and then where does he go? Because it gives her the opportunity to um go into the kids' room, and then she sees both of their decapitated heads on the bed.
00:55:51
Speaker
I'm not going to lie. I started laughing when I saw the heads. Oh, I did too. It like just came out. I was thinking, I person? It was so weird. No, I laughed too. They deserved it. They were sitting there.
00:56:05
Speaker
Exactly, and they look so bad. it was a low-budget film, but they looked so fucking bad. ah it was it was comical.
00:56:18
Speaker
It was. i got a kick out of it. um it That concept and idea is better realized in Terrifier 3. yeah Yeah, true. let Let's stop jumping the gun because you always give me shit for jumping the gun, and now you've done it Yeah, I know. I am kind of throwing loose details about it. Yeah, my bad. You know what that makes you?
00:56:42
Speaker
ah hippo. Oh, damn. Is that a comment on my weight? No, it's short for hypocrite. Wow.
00:56:54
Speaker
Mercedes is fat shaming me for all of the listeners. ah Shut up. you probably called me hit right You probably weigh less than what i weigh, so shut up Man, wow. I mean, I'm not going to go weigh myself to be embarrassed on this podcast.
00:57:12
Speaker
So I don't want to test that. But thanks for calling it out. I'm going to not eat Reese's anymore. No, don't do that because i will probably buy you Reese's in the future.
00:57:25
Speaker
um cur That is also courtesy of my husband because that is a joke that he told me way back when. and What, did he call me fat? No, he called me a hippo one time. I haven't even met him and he's calling me fat. we were talking. I was being goofy and then he called me a hippo. I was like, wait, what?
00:57:47
Speaker
Do you really think I'm fat? And he's like, no, you're a hypocrite. I'm like, whoa, okay. So, yeah. So you had the same reaction I did yet you still said it to me.
00:57:59
Speaker
Because you keep giving me shit. Well, you kept giving me shit during the Chucky franchise when I wanted to keep talking ahead. And you've been ah referencing part three, part two, and this.
00:58:13
Speaker
what I haven't seen part two. How can I be referencing it? Oh, yeah, true. Well, you've been referencing part three. And yeah, um yes so, you know. Hoisted by my own petard.
00:58:26
Speaker
I think that's the right... Wait, what does that mean? i don't I've never heard that phrase. might have misused it. I don't know. Let's not look further into that.
00:58:37
Speaker
Okay. um Let's talk about the fucking second segment of this movie, What the hell was with the alien?
Confusion over Alien Segment
00:58:47
Speaker
Like i going into the scene, it seemed creepy, like, okay, you know, she's in a, she's in a new home. art the clown is probably going to pop up and terrorize her.
00:58:57
Speaker
But then once, um, what her power goes out or whatever, and then she's looking around and she's starting to see like what backpack or gadgets or whatever. And I,
00:59:09
Speaker
you know, my initial thought was, oh, it's a it's an alien, cool. But then when they showed the face, I was thinking, oh my God, it actually is an alien? Why why is this in here? what where was like, where's art?
00:59:23
Speaker
Exactly, like, where did we go wrong here? What what what is happening? And it's so long. It goes on for ah very long time. i was like, oh man, this is never ending. And much like the third segment, we're in this segment in real time with this girl as she's like going throughout her new house, making a phone call to her boyfriend or whatever.
00:59:48
Speaker
chasing this alien nothing really happens so this segment was was actually the one that the producer gave him money to go back and add to the movie and to that i say you do realize this movie is 90 minutes and minimum movie is 70 you could have cut 20 minutes out of this thing you didn't need to be a 90 minute movie I'm saying that as a joke.
01:00:12
Speaker
I really, again, have a big respect for Damien Leone. Not enough to get his name right 100% of the time, but enough to try. but at least you try.
01:00:24
Speaker
Yeah. Don't always succeed, but I tried. The effort's there. It's here in the recording. It just felt like there was a lot of fat in that segment, and we really didn't need a lot. It was showcasing for the alien technology.
01:00:38
Speaker
Art the Clown does show up at the very end, but it did just catch me off guard having this alien in there. uh... I had this theory, though, because this alien is in like a scuba suit-looking thing. It felt like they took a scuba suit and just retroactively made it into an alien look.
01:00:59
Speaker
And he's moving around almost like a someone who's swimming or doing some type of like underwater movements. And just had this like weird like backstory I started creating for the alien where I thought,
01:01:14
Speaker
okay, on Earth, the oxygen to this alien must be like water, and it has to wear this full-body suit because it looks like it's wearing a suit. But I just basically came up with the weird backstory that this was an alien, and it had to basically scuba dive on our planet because air was like water to it. a that That gave it more life than what it had in this segment of the film, so I'd buy into that.
01:01:43
Speaker
ah Not going to lie, when I was watching this movie a second time, I kind of fast-forwarded throughout most of that segment and walked away a couple times. Same. but no Apologies to anyone that does like that segment. I'm a firm believer in aliens, and I like certain alien films. I haven't seen all of them, but you know I do like some of them.
01:02:04
Speaker
But that was not for this film. This was supposed to be about Art the Clown, in my opinion. I thought that the actress, her her performance wasn't too bad. She wasn't really asked to do much, but she seemed like she came to play, so that was cool.
01:02:24
Speaker
Not too crazy about the alien design, but whatever got Damon Leone his terrifier budget, whatever he had to do to get there, um I'm in full support, even if it means watching three hours of this weird scuba alien.
01:02:40
Speaker
I mean, it was cool to see them try to tie in Art the Clown with um that segment where she was saying her her boyfriend or husband painted something. And I'm thinking, OK, you know, he painted art.
01:02:57
Speaker
um ha half Pun intended. um But that was good. I like that. Thank you. he ah She doesn't see it or you don't see it until the end. And I'm thinking, okay well, again, what does this have to do with the other films? Is art just starting to take over all these um people's lives? Are ah they going to all be, I don't know. It wasn't tied in very well with
01:03:32
Speaker
I mean, none of them are related, but it it was just so out of place. I don't know. That's all i'm going to say. Yeah, I did want to ask that. So what are the implications of that? This husband paints art and has some weird connect... He paints art. Wow. I really see what you did there now.
01:03:51
Speaker
I fell right into it. It's because I keep saying Art the Clown and i was thinking I don't have to keep saying the entire Art the Clown. I could just say art and then I just happened to say it at that time.
01:04:05
Speaker
Yeah, it came across the a really weird circumstance. yeah So he literally paints Art the Clown. And that makes me think, is her husband like possessed with by Art?
01:04:19
Speaker
And did he somehow set this up? But how did they get the alien there? ah Because the alien, they show something Crashland. Celestial? Yeah. celestial I mean, he could be. He got these deadlights going on. He has all these supernatural features. He could be a killer clown from outer space.
01:04:41
Speaker
Oh, man. Mercedes, I think you're on to something here. I think that's the biggest kind the best connection that got made in this whole thing. It just came to me.
01:04:52
Speaker
Is Pennywise from space, too? that That was his deal? I barely remember. i don't I don't know. i don't I don't think so, but I could be wrong. I don't remember anymore. Oh, my God. I'm just really. He was from the sewer.
01:05:08
Speaker
That's where he was from. From space to the sewer. It's very poetic. um Poor Georgie. Yeah, so what what do you make of, ah was that, real ah you had a reaction as I was saying all of that. Was that to the husband maybe having some connection with Heart the Clown?
01:05:30
Speaker
it Yes, because it kind of ties into Terrifier 2. just that little correlation there. So i I don't want to give away anything, but um yeah, I just. I think I know what you're talking about.
01:05:48
Speaker
I think that's a plot thread they carry over into the follow-up. Yeah, yeah. So that that that was just my reaction towards it. Yeah, that's cool. that That's a good catch too. I didn't think about that. And I did did have that prior knowledge as well. So that's that's a good catch. Two great connections right there.
01:06:08
Speaker
I'm on a roll today. Let's know Killer clowns from Outer Space. I wonder if you've cracked what Terrifier 4 is going to be. Oh my God. Imagine.
01:06:20
Speaker
I would be so fucking tripped out of about that because you know someone already beat us to the damn punch of Slaughterball. Oh yeah. I forgot that whole fucking article. um i saw ah which Wayne's brother was it?
01:06:36
Speaker
Yeah. Is it Marlon who does the um fucking scary movies and who's coming to do this? I think so. So it was him and some other some other one. They were going to make... um they're They're in the works of making ah horror comedy or some or a horror sports movie.
01:06:59
Speaker
And I had sent that to Nick ah over the phone. And I was just like, damn, you know. Someone beat us to it. So I'm very mad about that. Guys, we failed you.
01:07:11
Speaker
We thought Slaughterball could be a thing, but apparently it's not. It can still happen. We'll just piggyback off of this. This just means there's a market for what we're doing now. They're creating it.
01:07:23
Speaker
We may not be the first, but we will capitalize on this. There is money to be made, and we will leave no dime on the table with Slaughterball. You're right. We're greedy money pigs.
01:07:34
Speaker
ah yeah um it is also It's Marlon Waynes and Sean Waynes who are involved in it. I think I was half right.
01:07:46
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ah You had it better than I did. or yeah it ah it It is a shame, though, that they seemingly listened to the podcast and fully lifted an idea from us.
01:07:58
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But we know they are now out there listening. One of those three is out there listening, stealing our ideas. We are building a following here. us fucking Can we take this to court?
01:08:12
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Did we get it patented? or pet Patented? Whatever that word is. Trademark? We have a record of a time and date of us talking about this.
01:08:23
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True, true. We probably could. We have a case here. Should we pursue legal action? Listeners, should we pursue legal action? Let us know. Yeah, let us know. Rate us five stars. Comments on our Instagram. What do you guys think about that upcoming film? and you know Are you really going to be there opening night when this film comes out? i don't It doesn't have a name yet, but...
01:08:46
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Yeah, Are really going to go? and don't want to tell people not to see a movie because the film industry is dying right now. But are you really going to see this movie?
01:08:57
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How about you you just listen to another episode of Morbid Curiosities instead? Yeah, are you guys up to date on all of our episodes? It seems like forever ago since we started Chucky. So um yeah, go listen all of them if you haven't yet.
01:09:12
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Yeah, some of our episodes have more downloads than others, so some of you got some catching up to do. Let's go. Go pop on Bride of Chucky for us. How about that?
01:09:23
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Go give that episode a listen. Give that one a little help. Yeah, that one that one was a fun one. Why are you guys leaving us hanging? Yeah, it was. Why are you doing us dirty? You don't like Jennifer Tilly or something? You guys are sexist?
01:09:39
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I mean, they must love her in the other films, but yeah, this was where she was like the main star of the film. Wow, you guys are bogus. You don't like Jennifer Tilly. It's okay.
01:09:50
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I partially don't like her. Ooh, shots fired. Yeah, by but I don't like anybody, Let's get her on the pod to talk about it.
01:10:01
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Oh, my God. she was on the pod, you know how many people would fucking tune in on that episode? Should we face all the people we criticize at one point? That'll be our 10-year anniversary.
01:10:13
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Dude, imagine. That would be a good conversation to have. It's me talking to a bunch of directors and you talking to a bunch of women. I talk shit about men too. It's not just women. Don't make me sexist here.
01:10:27
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I did make a point to say that in one of our episodes. I don't remember which one, but I did say i hate everybody. and I even said it on this one. so It's not just towards women.
01:10:38
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I hate everybody. Don't have a real opportunity to prove your point in this movie. It's like all women. are Art the Clown isn't a woman. That dumbass little kid Timmy isn't a woman.
01:10:50
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I mean, Art the Clown might be the person you've spoken the most positively about in this whole episode. So I talked shit about Timmy. Which one is Timmy? Oh, the little boy. ah Yeah, he needed to go fucking play in traffic, the little shit.
01:11:07
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Yeah, good point. He did suck. So half of the men in this movie suck. How many women do you think suck in this movie? List them off. know. go uh how many the babysitter well no let me not start with her um so she had a job he was just trying to make an income she was potentially putting on porn for the kids that she was babysitting very irresponsible bad babysitter she looked like she was seconds away from lighting up a cigarette in front of those kids
01:11:41
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I mean, she probably was. She was over there drinking wine and everything. So the women that suck in here are the two damsels that are locked in the basement or hell, wherever the fuck they're at.
01:11:54
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They suck. I didn't like the girl in the second segment. ah she She just didn't cut it for me. The girl in the first segment, I don't know. I thought her her performance was a little on the weaker side.
01:12:09
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But I did like the girl from the end, even though she had some weird ass or she made some weird ass choices. But I did like her and the babysitter.
01:12:21
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Aside from her trying to subject kids to porn, I didn't mind her.
01:12:28
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the I grew to enjoy the babysitter after a while. I didn't like her at first. I was like, oh my God, these are the people that we're stuck with. And then I remembered this was just the framing device for the movie and we weren't going to be with these characters for the whole thing. Thank God. We ditched those kids pretty early too.
01:12:47
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They must've had like an early bedtime, didn't need to, couldn't shoot much that day. um You got any final thoughts? i I would like to touch on this franchise's is treatment of women as we go throughout this series because
Problematic Treatment of Women in Horror
01:13:06
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people... That is a complaint that people have launched at this. They have said that it's problematic in the way that it seems to really mostly brutalize women.
01:13:16
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And I'd be curious to get your opinion on all of that and how, like... If that has any effect on you at all or is really a concern as we're watching these.
01:13:27
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um Not really because they kind of This is me trying to not offend women or ah talk shit or whatever, but they that's kind of a theme in all horror films. you know they They do target women more so, especially if it's a male predator, because sometimes they can overpower them. Not all the time, but sometimes.
01:13:56
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um I did hear that um um that concern that people had ah ah the treatment of women in this franchise, but there's a part where there's some equal opportunity in here. so you know we'll get ah We'll get there. We'll talk about that too.
01:14:15
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I'm looking forward to it. Do you have any final thoughts on All Hallows Eve? We were able to get ah an episode out of this one. I was worried. Yeah, the movie, it's a pass.
01:14:28
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I don't want to revisit it but I'm excited to jump into Terrifier. I echo that. I think Terrifier is going to be and pretty fun experience. I think I am going to throw it on right when we're done recording here.
01:14:42
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Yeah, guys, let us know on our Instagram which Terrifier movie is your favorite or which one are you looking forward to hearing us talk about the most? Yeah, and let us know what you think about the clown debate we had. Are there any other clowns that should be up for consideration?
01:15:00
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Should we host some type of clown bracket at some point for our listeners to decide who is the ultimate clown? We've been Morbid Curiosities.