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Scream 2
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Join Nicholas and Mercedes as they continue discussing the ongoing murders of the Ghost Face Killer. Who's behind the mask this time? Your hosts uncover the mystery as they pick apart Wes Craven's Scream 2!
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Introduction & Initial Opinions on Scream 2
00:01:12
Speaker
What's up, everybody? We are back with a another episode of Morbid Curiosities here. I'm Mercedes Martinez, and with me is the nefarious necromancer,
00:01:23
Speaker
Nicholas Ewers. We got a fun one for you guys today. We're talking about Scream 2. Just going to hop right into it. how you feeling about that? Mercedes, ready to get down and dirty with this one? Hell yeah. Wes Craven strikes again with this film.
00:01:39
Speaker
And it's funny because... kind of like how I was with Sinister. i really liked Scream 2 the most out of the original three when they came out.
00:01:53
Speaker
And rewatching it now, what the fuck was I thinking? like It just went down a couple notches for me. It was your favorite. And now, I mean, and not to spoil our ranking, but did it drop significantly?
00:02:10
Speaker
I would say maybe a movie. It dropped one movie level. i need to go and watch the rest of these in order to feel secure in that answer.
00:02:24
Speaker
But i don't know. Yeah, I was surprised because... I was excited to watch this one for ah the podcast more so than the third one, but now watching it again, i was just thinking, all right, let's jump to the next scene. all right, this part's boring, you know, x y and Z, are we done yet? And I've never really liked that with film. So I was so surprised that I felt that way with this.
00:02:50
Speaker
How was your experience watching this though? i got to say, before I fully get into my experience, it It is kind of interesting now, like, getting into Scream. I'm talking with you about it. I was talking with my buddy Doug over at These Guys Got Juice, another, like, huge Scream fan.
00:03:07
Speaker
And now I'm starting to hear how other people feel about the sequels. I've just never really had conversations like this before. And, like, my buddy Doug was like, number four is my favorite. And you're like, I like two more and three I wasn't looking forward to. And now I'm kind of figuring it out. Like, oh, these, like...
00:03:26
Speaker
Yeah, might be kind of shaky in some areas. I didn't know what to expect. I kind of assumed everybody liked all of them. But I've heard opinions from like a couple friends about later sequels now.
00:03:40
Speaker
So... Yeah, it's it's kind of interesting how it's all coming together. i When I threw this movie on, oh, fun fact real quick, they were actually going to call this movie Scream the sequel. How do you feel about that as a title?
00:03:57
Speaker
That would have been garbage. I did hear that too. and I'm so happy they just went with Scream 2. Nice, short, sweet, to the point. Just keep it like that.
00:04:07
Speaker
Scream the sequel, what the fuck? Yeah, Scream the sequel would have been rough because they're on like Scream 6 right now so what is the titling convention like that you eventually are in like fast and furious territory where your sequel titling was so ridiculous too fast too furious and you kind of had to just go with a rhythm like that for the rest of the sequels ah you would have backed yourself into a corner a little bit so smart for them to just go Scream 2 I think kind of like with them calling it scary movie
00:04:42
Speaker
But I think if they went with stupid titles with that, it would have been cool. But then there are also all these other dumb spinoffs, like how I was telling you before, Shriek, if you know what I did last Friday the 13th.
00:04:55
Speaker
Just keeping it screened, too. Perfect. Yeah, they're also bringing Scary Movie back. That's another thing we have to um oh yeah account for.
00:05:05
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Yeah. But so...
Opening Scene Analysis
00:05:08
Speaker
Scream 2, when I first put it on, man, I gotta tell you, so I had seen the intro before. Aside from the intro and another scene that happens later in the movie, I was completely unfamiliar. The mystery to this movie, I had no idea oh what was going on. And I'll say this now because I don't think we said it before, spoilers for Scream 2 going forward.
00:05:34
Speaker
Yeah, I really didn't know. i was like so locked into the mystery of this movie, and I really did enjoy that because I didn't get that with the first scream. And so it felt really cool to be really locked in and kind of wonder, like, is it this person? Isn't this person? I know the tricks the first movie played.
00:05:55
Speaker
What's going on here? And that kind of excites me because I don't know if all the sequels do that, but I'm kind of excited because I don't know... any of like the twists or spoilers or any things they throw at you in later movies. So I i really appreciated that. I'm glad I haven't been really spoiled going forward.
00:06:17
Speaker
I got to say, when I first put on the movie, it was a rocky start. I didn't really... i was worried that I was not going to like it, and this was going to be an episode where I was just a downer.
00:06:28
Speaker
But about an hour into it, it really picks up for me. I got excited, and it has a strong landing, I would say. And so it's a movie that I felt kind of got shaky. It felt like it really wasn't justifying its own existence at first for me.
00:06:49
Speaker
But again, by the midway point, it really won me over because of a few specific scenes that happened that we'll talk about. And... I put it at about like four-star category on Letterboxd. Follow me at letterbox ah or foul me on Letterboxd at Nicholas Sewers.
00:07:06
Speaker
Spoilers ahead. We start off with everyone in line for a sneak premiere of so or preview of Stab in this movie. so It's a movie within a movie talking about the story of Scream.
00:07:21
Speaker
and You have Jada Pinkett Smith. always mess up her name. I mess up everyone's name. and Then Omar Epps as the...
00:07:31
Speaker
Main couple. yeah so They're the introductory couple here. and you know They're in there just talking about the movie. She's not really hyped for it. They're walking into this theater.
00:07:46
Speaker
It is fucking jammed packed inside. Everyone is fucking off the rails, going crazy. They all have the ghost face costume on. and Even the the ushers in the movie, they have a ghost face i don't know thing hooked up to like these wires. That way they can have him like floating over everybody.
00:08:11
Speaker
What fucking movie theater is that elaborate? Yeah, you know, all these ushers. It's like a viewing of the Minecraft movie or something. Something. they They went all out for this and you're thinking, how are they in this much of a party mode with this movie based on
Realism of Movie Theater Premiere
00:08:32
Speaker
true events of like all these other students getting killed? you know i don't know anyone who really celebrates those facts, but that was I would like to be in a movie theater like that, but where did those exist?
00:08:46
Speaker
that's a very good point i actually didn't think about it which i probably am not that smart for not having put this connection together but yeah these in the context of the movie these are real life events and people are being like it's a batman movie or like spider-man just came back to the mcu or you know i guess avengers endgame would have been a better comparison but Yeah, it's like mass people are coming out in droves at dressed up and going crazy.
00:09:18
Speaker
The only time I've seen people dressed up in a movie theater is when I saw Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. See, that makes more sense. Batman is a beloved character and the Dark Knight, everyone was so hyped up for the Joker and everything, but here they call- Now you can't do that anymore.
00:09:43
Speaker
Exactly. And in here, they even mentioned that, too. You see that ah Jada, her her character in here is Maureen. she She's going to the concession stand. She's a little uneasy with the movie, but then she hears these girls behind her saying, you know, this This was based on a true story. So, you know, I don't want to watch this shit, essentially.
00:10:05
Speaker
So, yeah, they they show the movie of Stab. It's basically recreating the whole scene of Casey Becker from the first Scream movie, which is very detailed and exaggerated.
00:10:21
Speaker
But, you know, whatever. Movie's a movie. It's also an homage to Psycho, too. I didn't notice it. I listened to a bit of the commentary. It wasn't too insightful, so I turned it off. it was The writer
Cinematic Homages and Comparisons
00:10:32
Speaker
wasn't there. I felt like there's a reason the writer wasn't there.
00:10:36
Speaker
but And the producer was there. That felt like a choice, kind of. But Wes Craven said that it was an homage to shake out Psycho. And it's like, yeah, shot for shot, almost the shower scene. I thought that was pretty cool.
00:10:50
Speaker
But that fucking shower, who the hell designs a shower with this big ass window next to it? That's horrific. Yeah, don't trust don't trust these houses that they have in these movies. They have windows and doors that are gigantic. And this bitch even has her roof has a big ass window and they show Ghostface on top. I don't know. that That had to have been a cool movie to watch. Just how ridiculous it was.
00:11:19
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all All very good points. She must be like totally secluded in this house to justify having large windows that are kind of welcoming to a serial killer in a way.
00:11:31
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It's almost like they went to the future, heard our conversation from last Monday ah where we talked about how she felt so vulnerable and they're like, in the fictional one, we need to ramp it up. And instead of it being a living room, we'll just make it the bathroom.
00:11:46
Speaker
Exactly. It was all over the place in there. i was enjoying it. but yeah It was funny because once Maureen's character comes back, her her boyfriend, Omar, his character's name in here is Phil, he scares her with the ghost face mask. and I just thought it was funny because she got pissed off at him for that. and He's trying to make it like a little sexual foreplay for them.
00:12:13
Speaker
But you see how her mood does change after that. Going into the film, she was bitching about it, about the topic of the movie itself, about horror in general, and just complaining about the movie when it started.
00:12:28
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And then after that, you know, she relaxes a little bit. She kind of gets into it. And then when she goes back into the theater, she's full-on engaged with the movie. So...
00:12:40
Speaker
If you need a ah hot date recommendation, watch scary movie or Scream 2 and any horror movie in general. Just saying. This is actually like a good date night movie. there is so Scream is a special movie, but I feel like this intro is...
00:12:59
Speaker
Just as iconic and in a way, like I honestly like it more than the beginning of the first Scream movie. This really works for me. I like Omar Epps and Jada Pinkett as a couple.
00:13:10
Speaker
They look really cute. It seems more healthy than Jada and Will's real life relationship. It makes you forget about that a little bit. You know?
00:13:22
Speaker
Yeah, it's like I honestly win. Oh, man, not to like rush ahead, but Omar Epps when his death happens. One, it's so creative, like the stab through the cheek.
00:13:34
Speaker
But yeah you feel his loss. I feel that kind of harder than Drew Barrymore a little bit. I mean, what are your thoughts comparing the two intros? I do like them as a couple. You can buy that they're a couple in here.
00:13:48
Speaker
I don't feel the same way. I felt more heartbroken when Drew Barrymore was killed, probably because of how prolonged her death was. They were playing this fucking game with her over the phone.
00:14:03
Speaker
They killed her boyfriend right in front of her, and then they were like chasing her around until they ultimately did kill her, Whereas Omar, I thought his death was kind of stupid. You know, you're in a bathroom and then you hear someone like whispering in the stall next to you.
00:14:20
Speaker
Why are you going to put your ear on a fucking nasty ass bathroom stall to listen?
Representation and Diversity in Scream 2
00:14:27
Speaker
You know, you want to listen to another guy in the bathroom?
00:14:31
Speaker
Who does that? And then how is this knife strong enough but to penetrate into the stall the bathroom stall and fucking stab him? I could maybe buy the knife stabbing through. i get what you mean about him putting his ear up to it. I didn't fully but buy that at first because I was like, where is that whispering coming from? It was something with the sound design that kind of threw me off that made me feel like it couldn't be the bathroom stall next to it. It doesn't seem that way.
00:15:02
Speaker
but So we're in full spoiler mode. And like right now, so like we you and I both know who the killer is. Listeners, if you don't know who the killer is, it gets revealed to be Laurie Metcalf.
00:15:15
Speaker
I don't know if that's her voice in the stall, but I rewatched a little bit of it right when I finished the movie and I was trying to pay close attention And it sounds like it's her talking to herself and Billy, who's not there at the same time. It's like really kind of creepy. It almost makes your skin crawl. But go back and listen to that intro if you haven't.
00:15:42
Speaker
It plays a lot weirder, creepier, and scarier after knowing everything you know about the ending.
00:15:55
Speaker
One thing I do really enjoy about this intro too, though, is they're talking... I think it's when they're in line, they're talking about the misrepresentation of black people in horror movies.
00:16:09
Speaker
And I do like that it's a movie... This movie is... furthering its commentary on horror movie and its role in the world and pop culture. I felt like that was a nice place to start.
00:16:22
Speaker
And then the movie actually makes an attempt to, I feel like, have general or genuine portrayals of black characters in this. So I thought that was a pretty cool place to start it.
00:16:34
Speaker
Yeah, it was. And then even have like other characters in here. You have Gail's cameraman, Joel, who's Dwayne Martin, and then Sydney's roommate, Hallie, Elise Neal. They were some know comical characters in here. I did enjoy them.
00:16:53
Speaker
I'll jump to them in a second. But... I do like that you mentioned that, what's her name? um um Lori Metcalf. is You think she is the one who is the who is the one who killed Omar the beginning?
00:17:08
Speaker
Because I actually thought it was the other ah killer. So, spoilers on that, guys. The second killer in here is Mickey Altieri. His real name is Timothy... Timothy Alphant from Justified.
00:17:23
Speaker
I love Timothy Alphant. Mercedes, have you watched Justified? I watched the like first episode and then for some reason I stopped watching it, but I did like it. so and I also liked him in The Crazies. Now I want to watch Justified. He's basically playing Raylan Givens in The Crazies. I love Justified. I didn't know Timothy Oliphant was in this movie or Laurie Metcalf from Lady Bird, one of my all-time favorite movies.
00:17:55
Speaker
So I was like giddy. I gotta say, Laurie Metcalf, I didn't like try to suss it out, but I did pick up like pretty, like about halfway through. I was like, I think she's probably the killer.
00:18:10
Speaker
I thought it was her and Gail's cameraman, actually. Yeah. Interesting. I wasn't trying to suss it out, but that's where my mind was naturally going at first. I was like, I think it's Laurie Metcalf, ah ah not for the reasons that I thought it was going to be, not him being the killer's mom or her being the killer's mom.
00:18:32
Speaker
I thought it was going to be something to do with like furthering her career or trying to be Gail Weathers. I had no idea where this was going to go. I realized that halfway through, like this could be anyone, and I put my eyes on Laurie Metcalf and the camera guy.
00:18:48
Speaker
I like that assumption there. i'll I'll throw my two cents in when and we get a little further in. Just to like wrap up the beginning, I thought it was a cool intro kill.
00:18:58
Speaker
Not Omar Epps, but Jada Pinkett Smith that just... The killer comes back and he's wearing Omar's jacket to pose as him. She's all in the film. he's He's finally stabbing her and everyone in the fucking theater is going crazy thinking, oh yeah, this is just like for a show.
00:19:18
Speaker
And then she goes up on the screen and lets out that. nasty ass scream and then so most of the people realize that she's actually dying you have a few dumbasses who still think it's fake and they're just like you know doing the little stabbing motion with their their knives and like smiling it's like dude what the fuck get it together it's awful yeah Oh, it truly is. It's pretty horrific. And the the first face she makes when the camera is like shining on her and she stands up, it like it's like a weird, like awkward, like pained smile almost.
00:19:58
Speaker
it looks It was interesting. i It was a pretty ah ah effective scene, though. It was a cool way to kill her. We jump into Sydney's world again. She's in film school. She sees a what is it Cotton Weary on TV.
00:20:18
Speaker
You have his character as, I'm going jack up his name, Liev Schreiber.
Character Dynamics and Emotional Implications
00:20:25
Speaker
Liev Schreiber. Okay, cool. Thanks. um He's on this little talk show, you know, just trying to clear his name because he was cleared for the murder of Sidney Prescott's mom. And, you know, she's just watching it and What do you think her reaction was while she was watching that? like Do you feel like she was just kind of annoyed with that? do you feel like she was mad or just in shock of it?
00:20:52
Speaker
Because i was I was having a hard time gauging her emotions right there. I couldn't really tell either. It's not like a big scene or anything, but i was just curious on it because she just is watching it and you know her face is just like emotionless. so I don't know. Maybe at that point, she's just kind of thinking not necessarily like, oh, you know I feel bad for him or like any type of empathy, but you know she's just...
00:21:23
Speaker
Like, okay, well, now he's on TV and, you know, talking his name up and everything. so You bring up a good point because I think Sydney in general, her behavior towards Cotton throughout the whole movie feels kind of off.
00:21:39
Speaker
Cotton's behavior towards her feels off. the The whole dynamic feels strange. It's so strange, their interactions in this film. But yeah, they end up finding out about the two that were... Her and her roommate find out that they were... The two other classmates were killed at the movie theater the night prior.
00:21:59
Speaker
So, you know, Sidney goes to find Randy. He's in his film class. That's where you see, you know, some other side characters. So you have... Mickey, you have Sarah Michelle Gellar, who's playing CeCe Cooper in here. And you know they're all just having like a little debate on the movie and you know stuff that happened. They're talking about horror movie sequels, actually, specifically.
00:22:26
Speaker
And Timothy Alphonse character, Mickey, he's driving this conversation, which now playing... in retrospect, having seen everything, it it makes sense why he's the one on the side of sequels can be better. He's arguing Aliens is better than Alien. He's arguing Terminator 2 is better than Terminator. i actually disagree with Mickey. I like Alien and Terminator more.
00:22:54
Speaker
They're stylistically different. But it was a nice debate. and This actually was going to be played differently. I watched a deleted scene and they really drove it home that Mickey was being kind of a psycho almost about sequels being better. But I did like this seating, like this little conversation kind of carrying on throughout the the whole movie. It was kind of one of my favorite parts is this dynamic of Mickey and Randy.
00:23:27
Speaker
But also, Randy's like hot now in this one. Right. actually like somewhat likable. Yeah. I think, looking back at it now, that was the only reason why I liked Scream 2, because...
00:23:45
Speaker
Jamie Kennedy, i Doug is looking here, but I also liked Jerry O'Connell in here. i thought they were both like so handsome back in the day when I was watching it. and It's crazy just to look at like Jamie Kennedy now and see all of the facial
Press Conference Logic on Campus
00:24:04
Speaker
hair and everything. He looks so different now in my eyes, but yeah, I think that was a big pull into this movie.
00:24:11
Speaker
But yeah, you meet Jerry O'Connell. He is Sydney's boyfriend in here. He seems nice and everything. You see that Randy is still kind of not pining for Sydney, but you know, he still has his little crush on her.
00:24:26
Speaker
and then they see all the news reporters there for like this press conference with the sheriff talking about the two murders.
00:24:37
Speaker
Why are they conducting that press conference on the college campus? You think they would want to keep it from the school? I would buy them going to the school. I don't think news sources are above that.
00:24:49
Speaker
i One thing I was kind of expecting the movie to do with Randy and Sidney, and this conversation, like Randy spraying the thing in his mouth, being like, ah ah what would you do differently? He would say the nerd would get the girl. I thought they were going to go in that direction.
00:25:07
Speaker
And actually, like without getting too far ahead, I don't really like what the movie does with Randy. And we'll talk about it later. But there's something that happens that I feel like was kind of a mistake. But we'll get into that.
00:25:22
Speaker
Fucking same. But yeah, you see, like during the press conference, you Dewey comes back, you know, he talks to Gail or Sidney, but then he, you know, kind of reunites with Gail.
00:25:37
Speaker
And you see there's a lot of tension in there. And it's so different from how their relationship was like a budding relationship in the first movie.
00:25:48
Speaker
But you find out, you know, Gail... basically trash talk Dewey in her book about the Woodsboro murders. and you know He took offense to that and who wouldn't? He's crushing on this bitch hard as hell.
00:26:02
Speaker
and Then he thinks she's vibing with him in the same way, but then has to read something that she published for the entire world to read And just basically calling him a dweeb and all of it. I felt bad for Dewey. You don't diss Dewey like that. he He's a key factor in these roles.
00:26:21
Speaker
Yeah, she said he was like oozing in capability or something like that. And I do like his line. He was like, if you'll excuse me, I have to go ooze somewhere or something like that. I thought that was a really nice line.
00:26:37
Speaker
This is also the part two, I think, where Gale, who this is where the movie is actually like the shakiest for me is Gale being here. Gale feels like kind of out of place.
00:26:50
Speaker
Like, the movie wants her here in the first half, and it can't figure out really what to do with her until it fully gets her and Dewey back on board later on.
00:27:02
Speaker
And so, like, I had issue with this, and she's... Like, got Cotton fucking tagging along the whole time, which really kind of throws up, like, creates a weird dynamic.
00:27:13
Speaker
She tries to set up a conversation. i want to say this is the point. where With Sydney and Cotton. And it feels almost illegal to be doing this it like these two shouldn't be talking cotton should be like i don't know if he would be allowed to be around sydney prescott after like the accusations that were thrown at him and it just all feels like so clunky to me and i think this is where i was struggling the most with the movie at in the first hour yeah see your point with that
00:27:49
Speaker
That whole interview scene was just uncomfortable to watch because, you know, seeing what Gail does, she's trying to just conduct this unscheduled interview because she wants to get, you know, the raw emotion that Sydney experiences because she doesn't know what who's about to just pop up right there.
00:28:17
Speaker
and It's just, you know one, she deserved to get slapped for that, but yeah it's like i I don't think there would be a way for them to be together for that. so yeah That was super forced, but...
00:28:34
Speaker
It was a cool scene to see Sydney like assault Yale again. She really deserved that. and i thought it was funny because I saw these movies before I ever really watched the show Friends.
00:28:48
Speaker
I just knew Courtney Cox was in Friends. and it was funny because i guess she had to lobby for the role a lot of Gail Weathers because Wes Craven didn't think she could be bitchy enough for this role, which is insane because when I watch these films, I didn't want to watch Friends or anything else with her in it because i was like, no.
00:29:12
Speaker
man, she's a bitch in here. like I really don't like her. so At least she played this character very fucking well. so yeah Kudos to Gail on this.
00:29:25
Speaker
Yeah, the movie did a really, or this series actually has done a really good job of taking TV actors and really playing them against type with Courtney Cox, David Arquette, Henry Winkler. And then I wouldn't be surprised. I don't know what Laurie Metcalf was doing at this period, but I wouldn't be surprised if she was maybe big in TV.
00:29:49
Speaker
I would have to look at her career, what was going on with her. I think she was on the show Roseanne at the time. it Was she on Roseanne? Then that wouldn't surprise me if she was on Roseanne, if that's why they picked her. Okay, cool. I really mostly know her from Lady Bird. She's the mom in Lady Bird and is like a pivotal part in that movie, and I like adore that movie. It's great.
00:30:13
Speaker
But... it's great but Next we end up, I want to say, at the sorority party. Cece is the like try the designated driver, basically. She's the safe sorority sister. I forget what they call her.
00:30:28
Speaker
But she gets a call from Ghostface. She assumes it's her boyfriend, Ted, who's been drinking. There's a moment later when Ghostface calls again and someone believes it's Ted. And I was like...
00:30:43
Speaker
I would hope her boyfriend actually sounds like Ted, but it turns out not to be. It's kind of disappointing. But yeah, she gets these calls from Ghostface. Tension starts wrapping up.
00:30:55
Speaker
One of her sorority, or she tries to call it the campus police. There is a bad connection. One of her sorority sisters, it turns out, is still there. you know, she's the one who answers the phone, says like, oh, it's Ted.
00:31:09
Speaker
And in the middle of all of this, you see Ghostface kind of sneak past them into the house. And so I really enjoyed this setup. I think this is... ah ah Honestly...
00:31:21
Speaker
most of the ghost face stuff is really cool. Setup wise. It's been like pretty pulse pounding watching
Tense Chase Scenes
00:31:29
Speaker
it. It's exciting action. It's a lot of chases and I didn't know they could be exhi like this exhilarating. It's some of the best slasher chases I think I've seen.
00:31:40
Speaker
But, uh, I mean, what do you think about this? i have a little, uh, bit of story in detail. I want to go into about this scene, but what are your thoughts so far? This was a scene that really freaked me out from this movie when I first watched it.
00:31:55
Speaker
Now looking at it, I feel like you know there's a bunch of different little errors because they say, yes, that Cece is the sober sister just in case any of her junk sisters needs a ride home.
00:32:10
Speaker
But it seems as if the, I don't know what the other house is called, Delta, Lambda, Zeta, whatever.
00:32:21
Speaker
That other, that's the house that's actually hosting the party. And that's the sorority that Sydney's roommate, Hallie, wants to rush.
00:32:31
Speaker
And, you know, you got the two main girls in that sorority. What are their names here? ah Rebecca Gayheart and then Portia something. I can't remember her last name, but yeah, you see that- Shout Rebecca Gayheart.
00:32:47
Speaker
Yeah, I love her in here and in every movie she's in. Yeah, they are like basically begging Sydney to fucking join their sorority. and When everything is going on with Cece and then she ultimately does get killed by Ghostface,
00:33:07
Speaker
Everyone at the house party, they're like, oh my God, something happened at Omega Beta Zeta house. And everyone's running over to that house. And it just it just looks like those houses were across the street from each other. So I don't know why...
00:33:23
Speaker
Cece needed to be the sober sister in there. I'm probably looking into that too much. But yeah, just that whole setup was pretty. It might be to prevent like sexual assault. That's kind of what I was thinking. If they're not driving, it could be like, oh, i like to walk. this person home to make sure they make it home fine. Okay. and That sounds a little better, which is funny because there's some ah ah hints to that for Scream 3.
00:33:53
Speaker
But yeah, her whole death scene, it just had me on edge the entire time because majority of the scene when she's like looking around because she hears someone upstairs or you know the phone's ringing and then she hears something in the next room,
00:34:10
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she umer much Sarah Michelle Gellar's character looks at the camera a lot. so that kind of just like brings you into the film too.
00:34:21
Speaker
i love it when movies do that because that just like makes me think, damn, they're looking into my soul right now. I'm i'm like right there with you is someone behind me too. So I actually really like her death scene a lot.
00:34:35
Speaker
So when I... I mentioned earlier that there was a part of the movie that I had seen before. This was that part. I had seen it a long time ago as a very little kid. I don't remember the context. I might have been...
00:34:52
Speaker
I was trying to place it in my head. I might have been at my aunt and uncle's not too far from where I grew up. And I want to say it was like late at night right before I was going to go to bed. And I was skipping through TV channels and then just kind of landed on whatever Scream movie I didn't know I was watching at the time.
00:35:15
Speaker
And I watched like this whole thing play out from the moment he snuck into the house. And the moment that happened, I was like, Oh my God, I've seen this before.
00:35:25
Speaker
And then I kind of got just transported to being a little kid watching this. And I watched it a couple times over. I've like, I just got taken back and transported to ah time and place that I didn't realize I had buried in my head. But This scene is very effective.
00:35:44
Speaker
Within the context of the movie, it's a lot more fun than it played as when I was a kid. I had a whole different perception of Scream because of this scene. I just thought it was this movie about this...
00:35:56
Speaker
Ghost face guy but breaks into your house and just chases you and murders you. And I thought it was just all that. I didn't realize there was any like substance character or funny beats or commentary.
00:36:09
Speaker
So yeah, but this scene, When Ghostface is chasing her, I found it exciting. The camera work is very cool. If someone's running to through a room from right to left, the camera's moving from left to right.
00:36:24
Speaker
It's very active. And the score is just as Honestly, it feels that it kind of makes this scene feel a bit more propulsive. Everything in this movie is kind of propulsive. Everything's moving. The story's moving. There's constant developments, and the score adds to that. If you get a chance, go back and rewatch the scene. The violin shrieking, the horns, how bombastic they get.
00:36:51
Speaker
It fucking is really good work. This song in particular I couldn't find available for streaming. It was really irritating. But yeah, the scream score is great.
00:37:06
Speaker
i don't It's like unlike anything I really like feel like I've heard in horror. It's so big and present. Yeah, it definitely is because by the time she runs upstairs and she's on the balcony, you hear everything full blast with the score. And then at that point, you know, she's screaming for her life and Ghostface is stabbing her in the back.
00:37:33
Speaker
I hate that that's the method he chooses a lot is to stab people in the back. It freaks me out. and Then he throws her over the balcony. and then i don't know if it was next- I like that.
00:37:45
Speaker
Yes, because then everything goes silent when she does fall and she's just screaming. but Then once she hits the ground, I don't know if this was included in the song that starts to play directly after that but you hear like a car alarm or something and originally i thought she fell on a car because i heard that right away and i don't know it just it just goes hand in hand together with that scene honestly so out of these two movies so far this might be my favorite kill just because of the feeling i got when i was watching it but
00:38:26
Speaker
I also, I've enjoyed so far the sloppiness of Ghostface, but I really like how he just kind of thrusts her off. It's not big or climactic.
00:38:36
Speaker
He's not, he or she isn't like... super strong in some like Michael Myers type way. He really has to try and it worked for me. And then the song that plays, I don't know what it was. i didn't shazam it or take the time to look it up, but it was a nice touch. It was a nice like capper on that kill.
00:38:58
Speaker
Yes, definitely. They throw you back at the the house party and it's cool because Matthew Lillard was actually in the background at a certain point. He was like briefly dating Neve Campbell and so he went to visit her on set and I guess Wes Craven was like, hey, let's throw you into the movie here. That's fun. You could barely see him and his hair is like blonde in there.
00:39:26
Speaker
Yeah, I saw in the credits that he was some uncredited character, but I didn't catch him, didn't notice him. But that's it's good to know where he is now. So next time I watch this, I'll pay attention for him.
00:39:38
Speaker
he His character is very blurry. You just see a blonde guy. I think he had glasses in there. So that kind of segues into the next scene. Everyone is over to check out what happened at her house. and Sydney her boyfriend, Derek, they're still at the house party house. And he's saying, you know, get your coat. Like, I'll take you home.
00:40:01
Speaker
She walks in the house. It's empty, but then the phone rings. Some reason she picks it up and then it's ghost face on there. And, you know, they have their little, their conversation, but then he shows up or she and,
00:40:16
Speaker
They are very clumsy in this scene when they're trying to like chase her around. know they They try to stab her when she's trying to run out the front door, but then they end up stabbing the door and the knife goes through and it almost cuts Derek's face.
00:40:33
Speaker
And then the killer just like looks at her while they're stuck when they're even trying to like run around to beat Sidney to the living room. I think they fall on a couch recliner.
00:40:45
Speaker
And i just thought that was amusing that they were having that in there. You know, CeCe Cooper just had this fucked up death scene and this intense chase.
00:40:56
Speaker
But, you know, The killer here is just falling all over his feet and everything. adds a nice little touch to it, a little difference here.
00:41:06
Speaker
I've been trying to place who I think was taking on the role of Ghostface at one moment. and I think the CC death, i kind of took my takeaway was that's Timothy Oliphant.
00:41:17
Speaker
and I feel like the one targeting Sidney must be Laurie Metcalfe. I thought they were going to try to do more of a fake out with Derek being the killer just because he walks out the door and when the door closes behind him, it's ghost face.
00:41:32
Speaker
But then they kind of get away with that with him getting slashed off screen. I did have to Google why Dewey walks with a limp at first and then later they have a conversation about why he walks with a
Character Development from Scream to Scream 2
00:41:45
Speaker
limp.
00:41:46
Speaker
was like, oh, so the movie has same questions I do. Yeah, i you kind of forget about that too until they do mention that with him and Randy. And it's funny too because even in that scene, Dewey's still kind of like his kid character. He's drinking a milkshake whereas in the first one he has his little ice cream cone.
00:42:06
Speaker
It's like some of his habits never die. It's kind of kind of cute saying that. But he's he feels affected by the events of the first movie. He feels maybe the most affected, honestly.
00:42:17
Speaker
I mean, he lost a blood relative. like Do you know who Louis Arquette, if his his relationship to David Arquette, what that would be?
00:42:28
Speaker
He plays one of the chiefs. Yeah, that's actually David Arquette's actual father in real life. Okay, I was wondering that. I was like, that must be like a father or an uncle or something. That's cool.
00:42:41
Speaker
Yeah, once I found that out, I'm like looking at him just to find the similarities of like their facial features. You can kind of see it, but I thought that was, I always love it when they have- relatives playing roles, like co-starring with each other in movies. i I don't know. That just hits like a sweet spot spot in my heart every time I see that. It's great.
00:43:06
Speaker
Yeah, we've gotten it twice so far. We got it in the Chucky movies and then we got it right here. So that's pretty sweet. and there will be plenty more to come. After Derek's arm gets sliced, you know Dewey comes in, he tries to help him. They're at the the hospital, I think, and Derek's getting questioned by the chief of police so they could try to figure out, okay, well, did you see the killer?
00:43:31
Speaker
Dewey's kind of saying you know it was a little convenient that you know, the killer cut you and then just ran off. And you see he's suspecting him as well. But then, you know, Derek is saying, well, you just got there too late.
00:43:48
Speaker
Then you have Mickey going to try to like comfort Sydney right there while they're talking and just, you know, kind of planning it in her head, you know,
00:43:59
Speaker
ah ah Derek shouldn't have been playing a hero. like Why would he go back in that house anyway? and Then you see that kind of clicks in Sydney's head. like Why would he go back in the house? did Did you originally know the mystery of... ah ah like did Did you know who it was going to be when you first saw this, or did you have a time where you had no idea?
00:44:21
Speaker
I had a feeling it was Mickey just because of... how he was acting. I thought he was just a strange little side character.
00:44:34
Speaker
and Then even in that scene where he was you know comforting Sydney right here, he kind of whispers in a way or just has like low tone to his voice. and When I heard that, I was like, wait, that sounds like you know, the killer who was whispering in the initial kill with Omar Epps.
00:44:57
Speaker
So that's why I thought it was cool when you were saying, you know, it was probably Laurie being the killer in that scene. actually thought it was the other way around. So, yeah, I thought it was only Mickey.
00:45:08
Speaker
i didn't think that there were two killers. And I didn't necessarily suspect Laurie's character, Debbie Salt, I think.
00:45:20
Speaker
Yeah, i only thought it was Mickey. I didn't even think it was Derek at all. So that threw me off once they did the killer reveal. One thing that kind of adds a little bit to Laurie Metcalf being Billy's mom is that I didn't pick up on this at first. I just thought it was a funny bit, but there there's a moment I was trying to place where it where it was in the movie, but where they're at the movie theater and you're seeing footage from Stab, and it's a recreation of where Billy and Sidney talk about their parents,
00:45:55
Speaker
And it's the only way they really get exposition about Billy's mom and what happened with her into the movie. and But they get it in there as a bit where it's Luke Wilson and... Tori Spelling. Yeah, Luke Wilson and Tori Spelling are playing Sidney and Billy.
00:46:18
Speaker
And it's like almost a word for word. It's like maybe a few words are off here and there. I was trying to tell, but it is also kind of funny too. No one was around for this conversation, but but it somehow ended up in the movie.
00:46:35
Speaker
But I thought it was a cool way to get out that exposition. Yeah, that was actually the scene where Dewey and Randy are at a Baskin Robbins having their little milkshakes, and they're trying to suss out who is or who could be the killer or killers.
00:46:52
Speaker
and it was cool, too, because Randy even mentions you know Mrs. Voorhees was a terrific serial killer. so you know That is another little like hint. Like, okay, it could be a mother in here.
00:47:09
Speaker
They just try to go down the line of who it could be the killer. And then at some point, Randy does suspect Mickey.
00:47:20
Speaker
And then Dewey's just like, well, these people are your friends. you know like Who do you think is actually the killer? Yeah. and he just throws out, you know it could be Gail Weathers, but then Dewey just defends her to a T, and then Brandy tells him, like well, she's not a killer, she is a target. so You still see his you know everyone is a suspect suspect ah mentality in here, and I like that because you know you don't expect Billy's mom to come back. At least so I didn't. so Then around this time,
00:47:56
Speaker
Is it where Randy, Gale, and Dewey all end up together and receive the ghost-faced phone
Randy's Death and Its Impact
00:48:03
Speaker
call? Lead us into it. Talk about it more. That part breaks my soul.
00:48:09
Speaker
Yeah, so I don't remember beat for beat everything that happens, but it's basically the three of them together. They're in or like near Gale's news van, and they get a call from Ghostface. And then it becomes this fun situation of...
00:48:26
Speaker
is somebody's watching them on the phone with them right now and I'm like as an audience member looking in the background trying to figure out there are characters on the phone they notice the one guy on the phone and I was pointing at my TV saying look at him look at him and It seems like they heard me.
00:48:46
Speaker
but So it's very fun. It's such a cool ah ah part to have in a Scream movie. I i was delighted by it. The thing that is...
00:49:00
Speaker
Kind of the worst is Randy ends up back in Gale's news van and Ghostface is in there and stabs him to death. The camera work is pretty cool. You get like the side view mirror shot and Ghostface is on top of him stabbing him. He really...
00:49:16
Speaker
like murders the shit out of him and they keep it hidden. And so part of me was like, it can't be Randy. Like, there like Randy can't be dead. There's no way it's going to be a fake out.
00:49:28
Speaker
And even when they reveal the body, I was like, there's no way like they can't. That seems like a mistake to kill Randy off. They're going to undo this. And then at the end, when they were doing the villain reveals,
00:49:42
Speaker
and you first hear like the voice under the ghost face mask, I was like, is that Randy's voice? And then I had to remember, oh wait, yeah, they killed Randy earlier. It just, I couldn't believe it. It felt like a mistake.
00:49:57
Speaker
I've heard people kind of speculate that maybe the actor was kind of difficult to work with because you don't really see him... acting in movies too much outside of this time jamie kennedy that's all alleged just hearsay but it just seems like a mistake killing that guy off they knew in the first one that they had someone on their hands with with dewey ah how could they not know it with randy he seems like a clear audience favorite that you wouldn't want to lose
00:50:30
Speaker
Yeah, my sentiments, exactly. um um I enjoyed the you know back and forth that Randy and Ghostface were having.
00:50:40
Speaker
you know he's He didn't originally know what to say to keep him on the phone, but you know he's just going into horror movie topics or like which one is your favorite. and Then he's trying to like scope out who it could be as well while Gail and Dewey are tackling people in the background.
00:51:00
Speaker
But yeah, you see him kind of getting heated because Ghostface is like, you know, why are you even here? You're never going to be the leading man and you're never going to get the girl. And i hated it because i think that was just like kind of what let Randy like, I don't know, let his guard down because then, yeah, he got close to the the news van so it's like alright if the the ghost if ghost face was hiding in the news van his intentions were to kill Gail and then I guess it was just like he got or she got sidetracked tracked and decided to kill off Randy instead for talking shit about Billy
00:51:39
Speaker
But i was so mad about that. I think I cried when I first watched it because i was like, you can't kill Randy. And how the fuck is no one listening or hearing this? I was so mad about that.
00:51:53
Speaker
I didn't even want to watch the rest of the movie. No one's hearing it because there's a big boombox that they walk out with conveniently at that time blasting loud music.
00:52:04
Speaker
i was so mad at that part. it's great no that part was so fucked up. But, yeah, then after that sad, tragic moment, they're in the library and, you know, Sydney gets an instant message on an old ass looking computer just saying you're going to die tonight. The police can't save you.
Awkward Library Interaction
00:52:25
Speaker
She has two bodyguards walking around her. um her. um at this point, she's already like distanced herself from her boyfriend. And know she's on edge with everything. And then you have another interaction with her and Cotton Weary.
00:52:44
Speaker
and he's just trying to tell her, like, hey, you know, we have an opportunity to go on TV with Diane Sawyer. And we're going to get paid this much. And... You know, she her mind is elsewhere because she's freaking out about everything. But then you see he's getting visibly frustrated with her because he just wants a chance to clear his name and make some money for himself, which is understandable.
00:53:11
Speaker
But, you know, why are you towering this girl to kind of like instill fear in her when you need her to cooperate with you? That that conversation, i don't know, it could have been handled in a different way. I I don't like the interactions that these two have with each other. I don't think that conversation should have been allowed to happen at all. It seemed like Cotton... It doesn't seem like Cotton is making smart decisions by communicating with Sidney. It doesn't seem like it's in his best interest to do that.
00:53:45
Speaker
ah ah Lawyers should be communicating with each other in regard to this. It's very messy, legal situation that they're involved in, and this dude is just... fucking hanging out where she goes to college. I was like, does he go here?
00:53:59
Speaker
What is happening right now? He doesn't even go here. Yeah, it was so weird. I don't know. But yeah, Cotton sucks. He doesn't really... You know, I've always struggled with Liev Schreiber as an actor and him playing Cotton isn't helping his case for me. He's very emotionless in almost every single scene he's in.
00:54:24
Speaker
It's just, it's weird to see him laugh. It's weird to see him, you know, get a little angry because he he doesn't express all of his emotions majority of the time. The only time he really does is when he like, his eyes fucking dilate at one point because he's getting heated with Sydney. But yeah i don't I don't know. his That whole thing was stupid. and um He He should be playing like the dad in Pet Sematary or something. I haven't seen Pet Sematary. I know about it.
00:54:55
Speaker
and know why people don't like it, but I haven't seen that yet. I'm kind of nervous to watch it. but yeah um Now they are trying to just really gear into- Who the killer is, gail and Dewey are just going through her cameraman's footage thinking, okay, well, if the killer's recording everything, he should be on these tapes. And I like that they're kind of starting to rekindle their love. Not their love, but they like they have a moment before all of this where Gale's like, I just want to find the guy. And I'm like, finally, she's being a fucking character now.
00:55:38
Speaker
And this is where the movie... starts winning me over at least like in my initial watch like it's right when these two start reconnecting where i start getting right on board with it right before they like start looking at all the footage and this uh yeah we're about to get into some really exciting stuff It's because of Dewey. He finally is like softening up a little bit, and you're just you get that vulnerability moment with him.
00:56:05
Speaker
That's why, isn't it? That's what won you over? that ah him him Him and Gail have a really good dynamic together, but then it's just Gail, I thought we got past her being unlikable in the first movie, and now we're back, and she's like even more unlikable in this one.
00:56:24
Speaker
in my opinion, at first. And she's finally a character that I can get on board with. And so it just, it felt like the movie was able to kind of course correct with her character and it shifts the movie into a better place. You still have the Liev Schreiber problem for me, but they correct the Courtney Cox problem for me.
00:56:46
Speaker
Well, a spoiler and then not necessarily a spoiler. She always has stupid or she always makes dumb so dumb decisions in every movie that she's in with the Scream franchise.
00:57:02
Speaker
they give her like so They have to give her some kind of story arc where she's got to be redeemed or something in every movie. Yeah, it's it's stupid. you You get annoyed with her character a lot, and there's even like some points where my husband got mad at her in part four a lot. so Again, we'll get there when we get there. but yeah like I like how she's like basically a villain among all the good guys and in this movie, but at the same time, it's like...
00:57:40
Speaker
Your character, I don't know, you're giving yourself like, your character gives themselves like too much credit. Oh, I need to be here for these to help solve this stuff.
00:57:51
Speaker
help solve these murders. She she thinks she's a vital character in here. And to me, that's not necessarily true. Yeah, she she's got two sides that are kind of at odds with each other in this movie.
00:58:06
Speaker
But I thought the moments where her and Dewey are looking through the old camera footage... I actually got really excited when they proposed
Chase Scene Suspense
00:58:15
Speaker
that idea. I was like, fuck, are we about to, like...
00:58:19
Speaker
get a moment where we're reliving the moments of the movie we saw already and kind of recon and contextualizing them looking at the background. And it turns out, Oh, this character was in every shot. Maybe we didn't notice.
00:58:32
Speaker
We didn't get that. We just got like bonus footage that we didn't see kind of, but that's okay with me. It leads to a pretty cool chase. Uh, But yeah, Ghostface ends up basically chasing them throughout the little like AV tech area of the school.
00:58:51
Speaker
And I thought, again, these chases are super cool. They're probably the best parts of these movies. Last time I really shouted out the Sydney ones, especially.
00:59:03
Speaker
This movie, every time Ghostface is on screen in that costume, I'm like, okay, yes. I'm punching my hand and just ready to go. I know I'm going to get something exciting. and This delivers Courtney Cox knocking over the shelf to block the door.
00:59:26
Speaker
All leading up to Dewey and Courtney being separated and Dewey getting stabbed a bunch in the fucking back. i I wonder if they're gonna if his leg's going to be corrected from that stab injury now in the third movie or something.
00:59:40
Speaker
But I was convinced. i was like, that they can't kill Dewey. But for a little bit, I was convinced that they might actually pull off killing Dewey. Before I go further into that, just hear me out on this one this one little point.
00:59:55
Speaker
so Scream and Halloween were the movies that kind of planet it planted in my brain that you know, Killers on the Loose, they scope out the area that they are in and where they plan on killing their victims.
01:00:18
Speaker
And I feel like they lock certain doors and just leave one or two open. That way it makes it easier for them to find their victim when they're running away from them because...
01:00:32
Speaker
There's no way that they are able to directly find where they went in these big-ass facilities like they're in. The chase scenes, yeah they they just crank it up a notch. I fucking hate it. hated Dewey's like quote unquote death scene in here, his stabbing scene.
01:00:57
Speaker
Because that part, like, you know, he's getting stabbed. Gail can't see him. He's getting stabbed in his back again. And once he grabs the mic and yells her name, she he's like thrown against the screen and is like slowly falling to the floor. and You see Gale crouching down with him. like You see that heartbreak that she's having right there.
01:01:20
Speaker
That moment was very, very difficult to watch. like It's even hard to watch it now. but yeah her little chase scene, That was the part that kept me on edge the most in this film. His death scene and then just like Ghostface following her after that or like prior to that. it was That's a whole fucked up sequence.
01:01:41
Speaker
It was, yeah. But Dewey makes it out in the end. After this scene, I want to say we get brought over to... um It's Haley. Is that her roommate's name? Haley and Sydney? Hallie. Yeah, Hallie and Sydney. Hallie.
01:02:00
Speaker
Haley and Sydney are going with like the two detectives. Are those the two white guys that are following Sydney around? Do you know yeah the two? there Yeah, they're detectives that the chief had assigned to just like guard her. they They don't do the best job, but yeah, two detectives.
01:02:21
Speaker
Were they going in this moment? I think they're just trying to take her to like a safe house. They don't really specify where. They just say, like we're going to take you somewhere safe. Yes, so they end up- You see her, like Sydney and Hallie, they are just packing up in the car. Sydney shares a little moment with Derek. He's telling her, you know when all this is over, I'll still be here.
01:02:44
Speaker
and They drive off. And there's just a dumbass Greek scene because ah ah part that we had forgot to mention, Derek sings to Sydney in like the cafeteria and he gives her his letters necklace from his Greek house or fraternity.
01:03:05
Speaker
And apparently you're not supposed to do that. So all of his, you know, brothers, just like kidnap him and they tie him up to this thing from ah the play that Sydney was supposed to be starring in.
01:03:19
Speaker
And they're all just like hazing him pretty much. So he's stuck up there. And then they cut back to Sydney and Hallie. They're trying to figure out where they're going.
01:03:29
Speaker
That actually comes into play later too, which is kind of fun. Yeah. Ghostface pops up and i think he shoots at the detectives and then he's he was able to kill one of them.
01:03:44
Speaker
He is able to get in the car in like fucking drive off. Yeah, I couldn't remember how he got in the car. I was like, how did it end up he's in the car and the detective is on the hood of the car?
01:03:58
Speaker
I couldn't remember how they got there, but they get there. Yeah, same. But the funny thing is, is it was reminding me of Child's Play when I think it was Kyle driving and then Chucky was just on the roof of the car.
01:04:13
Speaker
So that's just what I was anticipating. But like, yeah, that detective- I was so scared for the detective- Yeah, he gets it rough. like he The car crashes and his face is like head first into these pipes or like the other way around and he's twitching. You hear him gushing in there. that was you i could have gone watching this movie without seeing that that death scene.
Creative Slasher Kills
01:04:41
Speaker
You're talking about the the pole through the face?
01:04:44
Speaker
Yeah, that one. Yeah, that... God, that was pretty brutal. Honestly, this... I gotta to give it to Scream 2. They really got creative with these slasher kills. I can't think of...
01:04:57
Speaker
I mean, maybe as we get into them, I'm not really going to say like there are no other slasher movies that get this like wild and kind of creative but keep it grounded in the real world still. We haven't watched any of the Jasons or maybe re-watching the Halloweens. We'll notice some.
01:05:16
Speaker
But this one, it just each kill. I didn't. It's like, you know, Ghostface is using the environment. He's sloppily throwing bodies off of ledges. It's just kind of like whatever is around Ghostface is using it to kill people. I appreciate that.
01:05:32
Speaker
But the yeah, the pole goes through the detective's face. It's brutal. It feels like a lot. Ghost faces unconscious in the driver's seat. Then we get a scene that I was like bouncing up and down in my seat with tension watching fucking. They have to peel back. They're like locked in the back of this cop car and they have to peel back the metal divider that's separating the cockpit in the back seat.
01:05:56
Speaker
And Sydney has to crawl over and incapacitate ghost face. And she does it pretty slickly bumps on the horn debates on taking off the mask, but doesn't and gets out of the car.
01:06:08
Speaker
And here I'm like, no way two people make it out of this fucking car. There's no way that is allowed to happen. And Hallie does, surprisingly. And in this moment, I'm like, take off his mask. Don't walk away. Take off his mask.
01:06:23
Speaker
They don't. They walk away. Then Sidney's like, i'm going to take off the mask. Hallie is like, don't do it. That's what gets people killed. Sidney does it anyway. Ghostface is gone. That's ultimately what gets Hallie killed.
01:06:36
Speaker
That, you know, I thought at one point, actually, she could have been the killer, too. And this this is where we really start taking out our options. I guess the original plan was for Hallie and Derek to be the killer in an original script that got leaked.
01:06:50
Speaker
So maybe there are seeds of that still in there. And that's why I thought that. God damn it. Like she should have just taken off the mask immediately. Like waste no time.
01:06:59
Speaker
Yes, because that whole point of hesitation was the part that, yes, got Hallie killed. and I hope she felt guilty for that. I liked Hallie. She had a small role, but you know yeah she was cool. She didn't have to go out that way. She wanted to just hurry up and get out, but of course, she was waiting for her friend. She was trying to be a good friend, and then what happens? She gets killed.
01:07:21
Speaker
that That just goes to show you, you can't be a good person in this world. yeah Hallie adds so much charm and personality to this movie, and it felt like a loss. This movie, it's effective though. You really care about the characters. It fleshes them out in believable and interesting ways. and yeah Hallie was fun. It's like to see her go.
01:07:42
Speaker
Sydney, she's trying to- like run to find some help and she ends up back at the school and she's in the theater because she hears music playing there so she thinks oh there's someone inside and then she the music cuts off and she sees the thing that Derek is tied to is like lowered down to the ground So she's trying to wake him up and she's trying to tell him, you know, the killer's here. And then that's when Ghostface just pops up and starts telling her, you know, i wouldn't untie him if I were you. do you really want to trust your boyfriend?
01:08:25
Speaker
And then that's when it switches or he turns off the little voice changer. Yeah, he says they were working together. Yeah, and that sucks so bad because it that really convinced Sydney.
Killer Reveals and Motives
01:08:39
Speaker
She was just, you know, well, really she was conflicted because now she's just looking at Derek and second guessing herself like, no, man, this can't be you.
01:08:49
Speaker
And he's he's just trying to like, you know, beg her like, no, untie me. and he's lying but then mickey ends up shooting him like right in the heart and then his last dying words to sydney were like i never would have hurt you i'm like god damn it why'd you have to kill off the other guy that i liked in here so imagine that type of mind fuck Yeah, it's like just back to back. You know, the voice thing doesn't work. I think it's Randy. It's not. It's Mickey. I'm slightly disappointed. Randy's not alive anymore.
01:09:25
Speaker
So it's back to back shell shock, you know, but then take off the mask. It's Mickey. I'm like, fuck, Timothy Oliphant. At first, I didn't love it. I was like, come on. But ah ah it grew on me. The whole, i I want to make the sequel. The sequel can be better than the original. I bought it. And his pitch, I'm going to sell that. Horror movies made me do it.
01:09:48
Speaker
I have Christian people that will fund this. I have this and that that will back me. I'm good. There's a defense here. I thought that was cool. But, man, Sidney's hesitation ultimately leading to Derek's demise.
01:10:05
Speaker
it it was It was very fitting. It was kind of nice. I found it pretty tragic. It felt very mean to Derek. It really did. But, you know, ah these movies do kind of get a little mean and wild at the end. But goddammit, Derek. like I guess you were a good guy. I guess I misjudged you.
01:10:25
Speaker
He was a good guy. He had some questionable scenes like when he sang to her. I don't think any of the cast actually liked that scene. and I believe that is what Jerry O'Connell had to sing when he auditioned for the role of Derek.
01:10:43
Speaker
But, yeah, you know, he just, he genuinely loves Sidney. And then she didn't fully trust the guy. and then he died for her.
01:10:53
Speaker
What a waste. you can't You can't be friends or intimate intimate with Sidney Prescott. You just can't. I find it interesting that they had him audition with that. It's a scene from Top Gun.
01:11:05
Speaker
And in that moment, I did think Jerry O'Connell does have a Tom Cruise look to him a little bit. So part of me was wondering like if his casting was kind of trying to just comment on the big star of the day because Tom Cruise kind of was the guy in the late 90s. This is like Mission Impossible was big, Top Gun, and he was about to do like Eyes Wide Shut and Magnolia and get an Oscar nomination. So I thought that was kind of cool.
01:11:32
Speaker
This movie does have like more pop culture references than the first one did, and it's more like commenting on movies as a whole more than just horror. After you get Mickey's killer reveal, he's saying, you know, yeah, I do have a partner.
01:11:47
Speaker
and then you think it's Gail because she just pops out of the side stage door. But then it's the one woman, Debbie Salt or Laurie Metcalf. yeah And then you find out like, oh, that was the mom of Lady Bird. My name is Lady Bird. Well, actually, it's not. And it's ridiculous. Call me Lady Bird like you said you would.
01:12:10
Speaker
you find out that's Billy Loomis' mom. And I don't know. It's like, it's a cool twist, but at the same time, I'm not entirely sold on it. Yeah.
01:12:22
Speaker
yeah So they just, they revealed their whole plan. she or Mickey was just in it to, you know, yeah. Blame the movies. He's pretty much crazy. And then Debbie is just like, no, you you know, we're not doing that. And then she kills him. We'll shoot him.
01:12:40
Speaker
And then she even shot Gail, too, I think. Or one of them did. Yeah. Two birds with one stone. Yeah. She gets Mickey, gets Gail. Gail falls off the stage, too. So you're kind of like they're not killing Gail. Yeah. Yeah, I think, I feel like she shot Mickey, and then he had a gun in his hand, too, and he ended up shooting Gail, think, but whatever. Anyway, yeah, so then Mrs. Loomis is just saying, you know, I'm just going to blame all of this on you, and she ends up saying, you know, like...
01:13:16
Speaker
Everyone always blames the mother for things. well you know Why don't we blame your mother? you know She is basically saying- I like that. She's like, you know you ruined your mom ruined like my life with everything. You took my son.
01:13:30
Speaker
but Then Sydney made a good point because she's like, well, you abandoned your son- call me lady or like rest estate you won Which is true because it's like, okay, that whole thing kind of came to be because Billy found out that his mom or Sydney's mom was having an affair with his dad and his mom found out and then she just up and leaves.
01:13:54
Speaker
So it's like, okay, I understand you're going to leave your husband, but why are you abandoning your son? Did you not have any type of relationship with him after like he didn't do anything to you so that's on her for screwing that up and then him turning into a fucking killer I like that it is in the day and age, too, where people are just starting to point at the parents in these situations where, like, ah something ah something horrific will happen and people are like, well, let's look at the way that they were raised. So I do kind of like that this is a parent fighting back against that mentality.
01:14:33
Speaker
She has a line that I think fucking rules. She's talking about Mickey, but she's like, my motive, my motive isn't as 90s as Mickey's. I want good old fashioned revenge.
01:14:43
Speaker
was like, that's pretty badass. I get it. Yeah. And that was good way to just like seal in her motive on everything. And then even the way Laurie Metcalf just plays out her role in here, her her eyes are just so she's so wide-eyed in here and you know she's kind of smiling she's laughing at certain parts saying how she's gonna get away with everything and then when she just like yells at sydney
01:15:15
Speaker
like she just She looks so crazed. yeah so I guess kind of watching the scene play out, that's where I can kind of like buy into her being the second killer. but I don't know. I feel like they could have gone a different way. but yeah i just I originally didn't suspect her. I appreciated it because it was more Laurie Metcalf. I could see that. so Then basically, like right after all of this, Cotton comes in.
01:15:46
Speaker
i don't know if he's already got a gun, but he basically comes in and saves the day. i like how... It almost looks like Schreiber's stumbling over the debris and everything that's on set.
01:16:00
Speaker
Actually, Cotton comes in after like a whole shootout with Laurie Metcalf that I kind of forgot about, where Sidney topples a whole bunch of what look like actual concrete props on Laurie Metcalf, not foam. Right, right.
01:16:15
Speaker
Yeah. I was like, I don't know if they would use real rocks for this, but so the, yeah the sets all torn apart and leave Schreiber comes in and has, uh,
01:16:28
Speaker
them at gunpoint and Laurie Metcalf is holding Sydney with a knife up against her throat. They're doing a little bit of negotiating and leave Schreiber is like ah ah that. what What is it?
01:16:41
Speaker
What Diane Sawyer, that Diane Sawyer interview doesn't sound too bad right now. And then she's like, you got a deal. And then Cotton takes the shot and kills Laurie Metcalf. I didn't think that's how they were going to end.
01:16:54
Speaker
Again, everything with Cotton seems so sloppy. This is the best use of that sloppiness. i kind of I can appreciate the ending. I didn't fully love the way that that wrapped up, but I could appreciate Cotton saving the day and it coming down to that interview. But God, Cotton fucking sucks, man.
01:17:15
Speaker
Fuck that, dude. He does. and then even after he shot Mrs. Loomis, he tells Sydney, you know, I would never do anything to hurt you. Okay, well...
01:17:27
Speaker
you know You were pretty convincing right there trying to say ah you know yeah this is going to be the only way you won't shoot me is if I agree to this fucking interview. yeah, you find out Gail's alive.
01:17:40
Speaker
He is. And then Gail's alive. cameraman comes back and She sees Dewey getting rolled out on like one of those stretchers and he's alive. So, you know, she just like dips out on the, you know, the story to go like make sure he's OK at the hospital. We also forgot to It that goes on... Like, that last scene at the theater goes out on another jump scare.
01:18:09
Speaker
Courtney Cox and fucking Nev Campbell are way too comfortable just fucking loading people up with guns. I just kind of want to say that about that, but they... They double tap Mickey and Laurie Metcalf in a very unsettling way. Also, how much ammo do those guns have? We can't get into it.
01:18:27
Speaker
The question for your husband is how much ammo these guns have. I'll ask him because I think they use similar firearms in part three. um but yeah you know I did forget about that. they They do shoot Mickey a little excessively, but he did jump up and was just screaming. so you know i think both of them shooting at him was too much, especially because none of those bullets seem to miss. They all happened to hit him, so...
01:19:00
Speaker
It didn't need to go on for that long. For them to do like that one extra shot to Laurie Metcalf, that was more reasonable. and It was just a direct shot to the head. Yeah.
01:19:12
Speaker
It almost felt like... So, the beginning where there were... Because the first movie got criticized for like lack of people of color in it. So, I feel like this movie made a conscious effort to have like people of color in it.
01:19:25
Speaker
the I want to say the ending was probably criticized a little bit. Or like made fun of a little bit. The double tap, the headshot, how comfortable people are with shooting...
01:19:36
Speaker
It seems like they maybe were aware of that just doubled down on it in this one. They're like, fine, we'll make them just unload on them without an issue. Yeah, probably.
01:19:47
Speaker
but yeah, once like both the killers are dead, gail is, you know, on the way to the hospital with Dewey and you see all of the news crews going up to Sydney, trying to to ah interview her and like ask her, oh, how does it feel to be a hero?
01:20:02
Speaker
And then she just directs them to Cotton, who is a few steps away from her. And she's like, no, you want to interview him because he's the real hero. And then they all just zoom on over to him and you see they have their little look of acknowledgement like, OK, you know, here's my end of the deal, you know, whatever.
01:20:20
Speaker
but Again, with the score, you start to hear like some money, but you start to hear like the score building up. You hear some violins playing. And that was ah the song that was starting to play after Derek sang to her in the cafeteria.
01:20:34
Speaker
i don't know why. i just love that little piece of music and how it sounds. Yeah. Yeah, it was was a cool way to end the movie, just like on that. And then, you know, she just kind of walks off into the distance. I don't know who she was going to walk to. All of her buddies are dead.
01:20:52
Speaker
But yeah, I guess she's walking on to part three. Yeah, and you have a nice crane shot that the credits are playing over that's really cool. I like how these movies end with the like shots of the characters.
01:21:06
Speaker
like Every ah speaking role looks like it has single-card billing with a shot of the character they played. It's very like Star Trek or Predator is a very notable one that did that. Twilight New Moon Part 2 ended that way. Avengers Endgame similarly. i I like when movies are kind of like, hey, here's the cast and who they played. So it was a nice way to go out on. i hope they all end this way.
01:21:32
Speaker
I think they do, yeah. I feel like they do. Yeah, until they get to seven, where Paramount just doesn't know what to do with the franchise. I do wonder where they go.
01:21:43
Speaker
But you got any final thoughts on Scream 2, Electric Boogaloo? No, it's... like It's still a cool watch. I will watch it if I'm you know marathoning these films. but yeah Between this one and the first one, obviously the first one takes a higher trophy, like the gold trophy compared to... It's the gold medal. It's it's your number one.
01:22:10
Speaker
This movie, it gets it gets first place. He was number one. you know right i think that's the SpongeBob line. Yeah. Good reference.
01:22:22
Speaker
Scream 2, yeah, I had a lot of fun with it. It took about an hour to really grow on me. It's one of those I think it's going to, I'm going to like it more on rewatch. I think this whole series, it was so in the culture.
01:22:36
Speaker
So, you know, maybe it just, the first one didn't hit me in the way that I feel like it hit other people. This one hit me a bit more. uh, closer to the way that I feel like it hit the culture when it first came out.
01:22:50
Speaker
The further we get into it, the more unfamiliar I am. But I think this is something that's really going to grow with me as I watch them. And as, as, as time passes, as I rewatch them, as you know, they maybe come on TV or what have you. yeah, I had a good time with scream too, though. This was a fun one.
01:23:09
Speaker
And, looking forward to scream three i wonder you know is this supposed to be the bad one i don't know don't tell me but that is in my head right now is this the bad one because i want to say four was kind of proposed as like the soft reboot maybe so we'll see going into i don't really i'm interested to see what the fuck scream three is all about Yeah, just remembering some details. I'm excited to put Scream 3 back on. so
01:23:41
Speaker
Courtney Cox with short hair, I think. Yeah, it that's a whole conversation on its own. But everyone, stay tuned. Hell yeah, guys. Hope you enjoyed today's episode. Stay tuned for Scream 3 next week. And we've been Morbid Curiosities. Let's go.