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S2.Ep15 - Felicia's Story Pt.2 - The Missing Pieces
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In this episode of Functionally Feral, we cover everything from estate sale treasures and zebra hide rugs to the realities of running a chiropractic practice, hiring staff, and building strong community connections.
Natalie shares a hilarious estate sale adventure, while Felicia talks about hosting her son's first group ride and accidentally turning a homeopathy kit into a marketing strategy.
Then we wrap up the story we began in our last episode. Felicia shares what happened after her emergency D&C, the shocking pathology findings that finally explained why her miscarriage became a life-threatening medical emergency, and how discovering some missing information changed everything she thought she knew about her recovery and future fertility timeline.
It's an episode full of laughter, friendship, practice-life stories, and an honest conversation about healing, resilience, and finding unexpected gifts in difficult seasons.
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Transcript
Intro
Returning from Hiatus
00:00:51
Felicia Devine
Hello, and welcome back to episode 15. Hi, Natalie.
00:00:53
Natalie Richards
Hi, Felicia.
00:00:55
Felicia Devine
Yay.
00:00:55
Natalie Richards
Here we are yet again. loving getting to talk to you again. know.
00:01:00
Felicia Devine
I know. at had a patient in yesterday that was like, where's the podcast been? And I'm like, oh, you don't say.
00:01:03
Natalie Richards
i know
00:01:05
Felicia Devine
I said, funny enough, we actually just resumed. And she's like, well, I haven't looked because it was so long. So she was like, I didn't know.
00:01:11
Natalie Richards
I know.
00:01:12
Felicia Devine
So um people are starting to find us again.
00:01:13
Natalie Richards
know. I had so many people.
00:01:14
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:01:15
Natalie Richards
They were like, my gosh, I saw that there was another episode posted. I go, yes, there was.
00:01:19
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm. Yes. Yes. Yeah.
00:01:21
Natalie Richards
So now I was like, you lucky ducks, you're going to three in a row.
00:01:26
Felicia Devine
We're back at it
00:01:27
Natalie Richards
oh
Wellness Retreat Plans
00:01:29
Felicia Devine
Yeah. It is fun to be back at it though.
00:01:30
Natalie Richards
along
00:01:31
Felicia Devine
i We love this so much.
00:01:33
Natalie Richards
It is. i i do love doing it. It is like we do take our breaks because sometimes we are forced or have to.
00:01:35
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:01:41
Felicia Devine
Yes. We do need our summer siestas and our winter hiatus and and our fall break and spring fling, you know?
00:01:44
Natalie Richards
oh In our winters.
00:01:51
Natalie Richards
a late spring.
00:01:55
Natalie Richards
So, you know, we we' record when we can.
00:01:58
Felicia Devine
Yes.
00:01:58
Natalie Richards
um But it's fun. It's really fun doing it. And I miss you. And i don't get to see you.
00:02:02
Felicia Devine
I know.
00:02:05
Felicia Devine
I know. We really do need to plan our trip in real time.
00:02:08
Natalie Richards
We do. We have to do something. i just saw I just saw a post about this.
00:02:11
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:02:14
Natalie Richards
Well, a couple things. I saw somebody posting about a wellness like detox retreat in Germany. And I was like, maybe.
00:02:21
Felicia Devine
Okay. Maybe we do that.
00:02:23
Natalie Richards
And then and then another yeah
00:02:25
Felicia Devine
Is that a business expense? yes
00:02:29
Natalie Richards
and other post of this couple who had checked into this like all-inclusive Montana resort. And also, yes.
00:02:38
Felicia Devine
Cute.
00:02:39
Natalie Richards
Yeah. So it's like, oh, maybe we do something like wellness retreat-y kind of like that.
00:02:43
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Okay.
Business Challenges
00:02:45
Felicia Devine
I'm down.
00:02:46
Natalie Richards
We'll have to have to.
00:02:47
Felicia Devine
Well, but we have to call it business.
00:02:50
Natalie Richards
No, it is.
00:02:52
Felicia Devine
Wait, we should bring our photographer.
00:02:53
Natalie Richards
It's research and development.
00:02:56
Felicia Devine
It's branding.
00:02:58
Natalie Richards
It's branding. It's it's.
00:03:01
Felicia Devine
It's coming up with content. It's doing it. Wait, what's the trendy thing right now?
00:03:03
Natalie Richards
You know what we need to do? we need to add we need to add each other to our like our board members.
00:03:04
Felicia Devine
Do it for the plot.
00:03:10
Natalie Richards
It's what we need to do.
00:03:10
Felicia Devine
You could be my secretary.
00:03:11
Natalie Richards
Yeah. we need to And then we have to have an annual meeting.
00:03:15
Felicia Devine
Yes, there you go. you know how much my lawyer charges me for that annual meeting?
00:03:17
Natalie Richards
Not a bad idea. oh my God. i know.
00:03:21
Felicia Devine
I'm mortified by the cost or I'm the only one to attend.
00:03:24
Natalie Richards
The meeting that I don't Mm-hmm.
00:03:29
Felicia Devine
And they send it to me via email and they charge me hundreds of dollars.
00:03:34
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm.
00:03:35
Felicia Devine
And I'm the one that's the owner, the president, vice president, secretary, treasurer.
00:03:39
Natalie Richards
Owner, president.
00:03:45
Felicia Devine
i'm like, this is a little redundant and also highly expensive to keep doing every year.
00:03:51
Natalie Richards
But then would I actually do it myself?
00:03:54
Felicia Devine
No, because then I would, that yeah, and then the IRS would come after me.
00:03:55
Natalie Richards
No. No. Right. So i and I'm continuing.
00:03:57
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:03:59
Natalie Richards
Okay.
00:03:59
Felicia Devine
I'm continuing. But I'll be your secretary.
00:04:03
Natalie Richards
but I was just I mean why not we are we we are each other's advisors anyway
00:04:04
Felicia Devine
I'll be your vice president. Yeah. Speaking of business, did you ever fill out that small business thing that was like, if you don't fill it out, we're like reclaiming your property.
00:04:09
Natalie Richards
right
00:04:15
Felicia Devine
Like it was a small business sheet you had to fill out in 2025.
00:04:18
Natalie Richards
maybe yeah I feel like I did i know i oh I know what you're talking about yes
00:04:21
Felicia Devine
brand new Like my lawyer must've sent me 10 notifications being like, if you don't fill this out, like add news bears.
00:04:27
Natalie Richards
Yes, you will. Yes, I know what you're talking about. huh Was that really?
00:04:30
Felicia Devine
Oh, that was so.
00:04:31
Natalie Richards
but then I feel like something came out that it was like unconstitutional and then we didn't have to.
00:04:35
Felicia Devine
Wasn't it a census, a business census? I think that's what it was.
00:04:38
Natalie Richards
and there was something, something about it was weird.
00:04:41
Felicia Devine
You know, that's above my pay grade.
00:04:43
Natalie Richards
Like you tell me I'm going to go to jail.
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Felicia Devine
So I'll forward that right to my manager.
00:04:46
Natalie Richards
OK, I'll fill it out. Yeah.
00:04:51
Felicia Devine
Who's my sister? like, Alex, help.
00:04:56
Natalie Richards
Help me.
00:04:58
Felicia Devine
What does this mean? The other day I had to literally email her and be like, Alex, what is this insurance charge?
00:05:03
Natalie Richards
Oh, my
Insurance and Business Models
00:05:04
Natalie Richards
gosh.
00:05:04
Felicia Devine
And she's like, let me look through because we had to have business insurance, umbrella insurance, malpractice insurance, workman's comp insurance, short-term disability insurance.
00:05:09
Natalie Richards
Mm hmm.
00:05:13
Natalie Richards
Mm hmm. hmm.
00:05:16
Felicia Devine
And I said, Alex, what it what is this premium insurance?
00:05:16
Natalie Richards
It's kind of ridiculous.
00:05:20
Felicia Devine
I don't know what this is.
00:05:21
Natalie Richards
hmm. Mm hmm.
00:05:22
Felicia Devine
I forget.
00:05:23
Natalie Richards
At a certain point, when do we say that we just kind of like start putting money into a pool?
00:05:29
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:05:29
Natalie Richards
That just helps share business health, business sharing, business business insurance.
00:05:29
Felicia Devine
but Where's the Christian healthcare of businesses? Should we start that?
00:05:36
Felicia Devine
Business sharing, small business sharing.
00:05:38
Natalie Richards
i don't know.
00:05:39
Felicia Devine
Wait, we should do that.
00:05:39
Natalie Richards
It's because this is crazy to like 10 different places.
00:05:40
Felicia Devine
I pay so much in insurance.
00:05:44
Natalie Richards
And I'm like, this can't right.
00:05:46
Felicia Devine
In case someone trips in my parking lot or a worker staples her finger shot.
00:05:47
Natalie Richards
Right. Mm hmm.
00:05:51
Felicia Devine
I don't know.
00:05:51
Natalie Richards
Right. Right. I don't know. that How do you get injured at a job when you're sitting there?
00:05:53
Felicia Devine
I don't know.
00:05:56
Felicia Devine
i don't know.
00:05:57
Natalie Richards
I don't know.
00:05:57
Felicia Devine
I don't, I don't know.
00:06:00
Natalie Richards
But we pay for it.
00:06:01
Felicia Devine
Did I ever tell you about the UPS truck that like smashed my sign?
00:06:06
Natalie Richards
Yes, you did. it was like in passing. I never really heard.
00:06:11
Felicia Devine
Oh, I was like, speaking of who paid for that, but I honestly forgot, but I didn't process it through insurance because the manager of, was it FedEx?
00:06:13
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:06:21
Felicia Devine
He was on my tail. He goes, let me bring you a check. I will bring it right now.
00:06:26
Natalie Richards
There you go. They don't want to.
00:06:26
Felicia Devine
What's the cost? Let me bring you a check.
00:06:27
Natalie Richards
Yep.
00:06:28
Felicia Devine
I will bring it to you right now.
00:06:28
Natalie Richards
Yep. They don't want to deal with it.
00:06:29
Felicia Devine
Where are you? Where are you? the check Yeah.
00:06:30
Natalie Richards
m
00:06:30
Felicia Devine
He paid like that. Like he was begging me to pay.
00:06:33
Natalie Richards
Yep.
00:06:34
Felicia Devine
Like he wanted to pay for the sign.
00:06:34
Natalie Richards
Yep.
00:06:35
Felicia Devine
And I was like, they didn't even come to take it yet.
00:06:37
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:06:37
Felicia Devine
um
00:06:37
Natalie Richards
now
00:06:39
Felicia Devine
ah But that didn't even go through insurance.
00:06:40
Natalie Richards
ah They don't even want to deal with any sort of liability.
00:06:40
Felicia Devine
So I'm like, well, No.
00:06:44
Natalie Richards
They say, no, let me just pay you.
00:06:44
Felicia Devine
No.
00:06:45
Natalie Richards
And we call it a day.
00:06:46
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:06:46
Natalie Richards
Oh,
Cultural Differences in Hiring
00:06:46
Felicia Devine
And it was in early December and I think they wanted to get it done before like end of year. i don't know. like Let's get this claim filed in 2025.
00:06:51
Natalie Richards
my God.
00:06:52
Natalie Richards
Oh, my God.
00:06:54
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah.
00:06:56
Natalie Richards
That's funny.
00:06:57
Felicia Devine
yeah yeah Oh, you know what's interesting?
00:07:02
Felicia Devine
I'm trying to hire a new person. Yeah.
00:07:04
Natalie Richards
For like, like, Francesca.
00:07:06
Felicia Devine
Front desk. Okay. So I always like survey my patient database before I go public.
00:07:13
Natalie Richards
Yes.
00:07:14
Felicia Devine
Right.
00:07:14
Natalie Richards
Yes.
00:07:15
Felicia Devine
I'm like internally, who do we have? Cause a lot of my people have always come internally.
00:07:18
Natalie Richards
Yes.
00:07:19
Felicia Devine
um because a they value the practice B they value me and like, yeah, they know it works.
00:07:22
Natalie Richards
They know how it works.
00:07:24
Felicia Devine
They're like of the mindset of like holistic.
00:07:28
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:07:28
Felicia Devine
And so I've been so not stalking, but I've been like wanting to ask this girl, And she is so darn cute. She's like, i think she's like 17.
00:07:38
Natalie Richards
Oh.
00:07:40
Felicia Devine
She's so precious. She is so funny. She is always asking my girls like, oh is it fun to work here? Like, oh what do you guys do?
00:07:47
Natalie Richards
Cute.
00:07:47
Felicia Devine
did Did you need a degree to like work here? and the girls are like, nope.
00:07:50
Natalie Richards
Oh. Definitely not.
00:07:52
Felicia Devine
No prior experience necessary.
00:07:52
Natalie Richards
definitely not
00:07:55
Felicia Devine
And she is Mennonite. We have a ton of men at night patients.
00:07:59
Natalie Richards
Okay.
00:08:01
Felicia Devine
And I'm like, well, this might be actually really good to kind of like bridge that cultural gap of like – is it Duke?
00:08:01
Natalie Richards
Yes.
00:08:05
Natalie Richards
Dude, this dog is just killing me. if
00:08:08
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:08:08
Natalie Richards
Yeah. I got him a new bed and of course I put it right next to me. Whatever.
00:08:12
Felicia Devine
Oh, I can't hear anything.
00:08:13
Natalie Richards
Okay, good
00:08:13
Felicia Devine
um So it was I was like, oh, this could be our opportunity to like bridge the cultural gap to like have insider perspective and like help kind of transition more of those families under care and like things like that.
00:08:18
Natalie Richards
good.
00:08:21
Natalie Richards
Totally.
00:08:24
Natalie Richards
Yes.
00:08:25
Felicia Devine
um Because there is like a large gap in like how we operate day to day versus like how maybe a conservative Mennonite family would operate day to day.
00:08:36
Natalie Richards
Definitely.
00:08:37
Felicia Devine
um And I'm like, okay, how would you like to work here? Like thinking she was just going like, I would love to. Like i I was like certain she was to say that because she is so cute and sweet and like so jazzed about it.
00:08:49
Natalie Richards
It's like asking somebody to prom. Mm-hmm.
00:08:51
Felicia Devine
Yeah, yeah.
00:08:51
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm.
00:08:51
Felicia Devine
And I was like, oh, she's in today. I'm going to ask her. So this is like two visits ago. And I asked her, I was like, would you like to work here? And she was like, well, I don't think like mom would go for that. But like, let me ask. And I said, okay, yeah, absolutely.
00:09:01
Natalie Richards
hu
00:09:01
Felicia Devine
Because she's like still living at home and like stuff like that.
00:09:02
Natalie Richards
oh
00:09:04
Felicia Devine
So she she came in yesterday. I'm like, all right, what did mom say? And she was like, yeah, mom's not going for that. And I was like, oh, I was like, well, what is the like holdback?
00:09:11
Natalie Richards
Oh no.
00:09:14
Felicia Devine
I was like, you know, I'm curious because like, what was, what was the final decision like or like, what was like the line?
00:09:16
Natalie Richards
Yeah. Yeah. Is it me? Yeah.
00:09:22
Felicia Devine
Cause you know, i wear, um, normal like street clothes to work.
00:09:27
Natalie Richards
Yes.
00:09:27
Felicia Devine
Right. But like my staff were scrubs. So i was like, you know, that's still very like modest and covered.
00:09:29
Natalie Richards
ah
00:09:32
Felicia Devine
And I don't show up to work not modest.
00:09:32
Natalie Richards
Yeah. Yeah. No.
00:09:35
Felicia Devine
Right. Like I wear modest clothing, but like I wear jeans or pants.
00:09:37
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:09:39
Felicia Devine
I wear things with holes in it. i show my elbows.
00:09:41
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:09:42
Felicia Devine
um I show my feet. But i was like, ah so like, what's the line?
00:09:44
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:09:47
Felicia Devine
And she was like, well, you guys use internet. And I was like, okay, that I wasn't expecting that one.
00:09:51
Natalie Richards
Ooh.
00:09:52
Felicia Devine
So we use internet, we text, and then um we listen to music.
00:09:55
Natalie Richards
Yeah. Oh.
00:09:58
Felicia Devine
Yeah. And I was like, okay, I totally understand. I didn't know that.
00:10:00
Natalie Richards
Fair enough.
00:10:01
Felicia Devine
i didn't know that was the line. I thought it was going to be more like clothing.
00:10:03
Natalie Richards
Yeah. Right.
00:10:05
Felicia Devine
um But I was so bummed. I was like, well, I would love to have you.
00:10:08
Natalie Richards
Oh.
00:10:09
Felicia Devine
i would really like to have you, but it just wasn't going to work out.
00:10:12
Natalie Richards
Fair enough.
00:10:13
Felicia Devine
And I get it.
00:10:13
Natalie Richards
Fair enough.
00:10:14
Felicia Devine
i get it.
00:10:14
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:10:14
Felicia Devine
Like, if that's not your values, I totally understand.
00:10:16
Natalie Richards
Oh, yeah. Oh, gosh, yeah.
00:10:19
Felicia Devine
but But they love coming as patients. So I'm like,
00:10:21
Natalie Richards
That's great.
00:10:22
Felicia Devine
We can continue that.
00:10:23
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:10:24
Felicia Devine
They just can't be the ones on the internet.
00:10:24
Natalie Richards
That's so funny. Darn it.
00:10:27
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:10:29
Natalie Richards
At least it wasn't you. Yeah.
00:10:31
Felicia Devine
But i'm I'm trying to get them to listen to my podcast. But they, I mean, I don't think they can.
00:10:36
Natalie Richards
Wait, but what about the, well, like there's varying degrees. I thought you said that there was like another Mennonite patient that had started a podcast.
00:10:45
Felicia Devine
there's varying levels of conservativeness.
00:10:46
Natalie Richards
Right? Yeah. Everybody has. Right.
00:10:49
Felicia Devine
Is that the word? Conservativeness?
00:10:51
Natalie Richards
Sure.
00:10:51
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
Community and Chiropractic Joy
00:10:52
Felicia Devine
um It's based, I think their level of like um dress and what is appropriate to them is is dictated by like the church they go to.
00:11:02
Felicia Devine
And so a different church can have completely separate viewpoints and values and morals and things like that of like what is considered appropriate.
00:11:03
Natalie Richards
Sure.
00:11:07
Natalie Richards
Yep.
00:11:10
Natalie Richards
Yep.
00:11:10
Felicia Devine
um But yeah. So it's it's just, it was disappointing because I thought I i thought i had her and she was, I mean, she is so lovely, but yeah.
00:11:17
Natalie Richards
Dang. Dang. We have a Mennonite farm right down the street from us. Did you know that?
00:11:22
Felicia Devine
Do you?
00:11:23
Natalie Richards
yeah They are.
00:11:24
Felicia Devine
They're so lovely.
00:11:25
Natalie Richards
they like build these like structures.
00:11:26
Felicia Devine
we
00:11:28
Natalie Richards
They build sheds and they have hundreds
00:11:28
Felicia Devine
and oh
00:11:31
Natalie Richards
like a hundred sheds that they've built out in the front that they sell.
00:11:34
Felicia Devine
Oh, like pre prefabricated.
00:11:35
Natalie Richards
And then they have like, yeah. And then they have like a cute little farm stand that we stop at. It's cute.
00:11:39
Felicia Devine
cute. That's awesome. Yeah, I would say probably like, I want to say like 60 to 70% of my practice is Mennonite.
00:11:46
Natalie Richards
That's crazy.
00:11:48
Felicia Devine
Uh-huh. Yeah. And, like, honestly, it probably could be more if I changed the way I operate a little bit more.
00:11:49
Natalie Richards
oh my gosh. Yeah.
00:11:55
Felicia Devine
Like, if i've leaned more into the, like,
00:11:55
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:11:59
Felicia Devine
um I don't know, like, we didn't play music or something.
00:12:03
Natalie Richards
Non-technological.
00:12:04
Felicia Devine
You know, like, yeah.
00:12:04
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:12:05
Felicia Devine
But –
00:12:05
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:12:06
Felicia Devine
but you know i didn't I didn't even know that population in Arizona. We didn't have a Mennonite population.
00:12:14
Natalie Richards
No, it doesn't exist.
00:12:15
Felicia Devine
We had more men in Arizona um more predominantly.
00:12:15
Natalie Richards
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:12:20
Felicia Devine
So i just i when I opened the practice, it wasn't like I was like aiming for one thing or another.
00:12:22
Natalie Richards
yeah
00:12:25
Felicia Devine
but
00:12:25
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:12:26
Felicia Devine
just They're great at like direct referaling because they're all very close in community.
00:12:27
Natalie Richards
just happened. Yeah. No kidding. No kidding.
00:12:33
Felicia Devine
um Yeah, so that was –
00:12:35
Natalie Richards
And they're very into natural health, of course, and and not using the medical system as much.
00:12:37
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah.
00:12:40
Felicia Devine
Exactly. Yeah.
00:12:41
Natalie Richards
So, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
00:12:42
Felicia Devine
That's lovely. Great, great retention. um
00:12:46
Natalie Richards
Home birthers for the most part, right?
00:12:47
Felicia Devine
Yes. Mm-hmm.
00:12:48
Natalie Richards
Yeah, unless there's some reason why they can't.
00:12:49
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:12:51
Felicia Devine
Herbal stuff.
00:12:52
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm.
00:12:53
Felicia Devine
They don't do much homeopathy.
00:12:56
Natalie Richards
Really?
00:12:56
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:12:58
Natalie Richards
Because of the technology it requires to create it
00:13:01
Felicia Devine
Possibly and possibly because there isn't much.
00:13:04
Natalie Richards
just unknown yeah interesting but when you have herbs you can you know utilize that interesting yeah because I feel like that would align so well but it does require I mean it does require yeah machinery to and like technology to create it so I wonder if that's the problem mm-hmm
00:13:06
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah. and who yeah Yeah. So I've tried to reel some of them into homeopathy. Mm-hmm.
00:13:23
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:13:26
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm. Right. The holdup. Yeah. um Speaking of homeopathy, short segue.
00:13:31
Natalie Richards
yes yes
00:13:34
Felicia Devine
Today we had Giuseppe's first hosted group ride at the pump track.
00:13:38
Natalie Richards
Yes. Oh my gosh.
00:13:40
Felicia Devine
It was so fun.
00:13:41
Natalie Richards
Oh my gosh. He's so cute.
00:13:43
Felicia Devine
So we we had a couple of families that I personally knew, but then for whatever reason, it was like Friday morning at the pump track was like a destination for children.
00:13:53
Natalie Richards
Really?
00:13:53
Felicia Devine
There was like 12 kids at one point.
00:13:53
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:13:56
Felicia Devine
And it wasn't because of me. My dad was like, did you invite all these people?
00:13:57
Natalie Richards
no
00:13:58
Felicia Devine
i was like, no, I promise.
00:13:59
Natalie Richards
so
00:13:59
Felicia Devine
Like, I'm not that cool. um Like we had tons of interest, but it was very last minute for some people.
00:14:04
Natalie Richards
yeah
00:14:05
Felicia Devine
But yeah, At one point, somebody like one of the other kids fell or something. And I brought my travel homeopathy kit.
00:14:13
Natalie Richards
Yes.
00:14:14
Felicia Devine
So it has like 24 something like some amount of like the pellets, the boiron.
00:14:16
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:14:20
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm.
00:14:20
Felicia Devine
So i'm like, I pull it out. and i'm like, if anybody needs this, just know I have my travel kit.
00:14:24
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm.
00:14:24
Felicia Devine
And this this other mom that was at a different like table, but she was there with her family and some other friends. She was like, oh, are you a homeschooler? I go, what?
00:14:36
Felicia Devine
She goes, are you a homeschooler? I saw that you brought like homeopathy.
00:14:41
Natalie Richards
It does kind of go handin hand in hand.
00:14:42
Felicia Devine
go um I go, not yet. My son's only two, but the future is bright. um It might be for me.
00:14:47
Natalie Richards
oh
00:14:49
Felicia Devine
And she was like, oh, cool. like Do you have a practice or do you work somewhere? And I was like, oh, I own the Wave Collective. And she was like, oh, I have friends that go there. like We've heard of you guys.
00:14:57
Natalie Richards
Oh, how cute.
00:14:58
Felicia Devine
And I was like, huh, who knew? it was going be marketing marketing at Friday Morning Group Rod.
00:15:00
Natalie Richards
Homeopathy bringing people together.
00:15:04
Natalie Richards
You know what? It always is.
00:15:06
Felicia Devine
It is.
00:15:06
Natalie Richards
every Everywhere we step foot is marketing.
00:15:07
Felicia Devine
Yes.
00:15:09
Natalie Richards
And I don't even try.
00:15:11
Felicia Devine
I know.
00:15:11
Natalie Richards
i don't.
00:15:11
Felicia Devine
It's natural.
00:15:12
Natalie Richards
literally don't even try.
00:15:13
Felicia Devine
I know. So I was like, well, now everyone knows I have homeopathy and I'm a chiropractor.
00:15:18
Natalie Richards
Love it.
00:15:18
Felicia Devine
So yeah. um But live, love,
00:15:20
Natalie Richards
All we do is live our lives and we go have
Mentorship Impact
00:15:24
Felicia Devine
laugh chiropractic.
00:15:25
Natalie Richards
a day.
00:15:27
Natalie Richards
So funny.
00:15:27
Felicia Devine
No, but I also, so a family that came to the group ride this morning, they were like, oh my gosh, last night when we were in for our adjustments, we saw another family of kids and we just saw them at Plum Creek Creamery for breakfast.
00:15:40
Natalie Richards
Oh, how funny.
00:15:42
Felicia Devine
I'm like, they're everywhere. My soldiers are everywhere.
00:15:45
Natalie Richards
War everywhere.
00:15:48
Natalie Richards
It's really great.
00:15:49
Felicia Devine
yeah yeah. So I was like, oh, it's perfect.
00:15:50
Natalie Richards
ever It always seems like, oh God, there's a fly. It always seems like people who know each other are always like on the schedule next to each other. it just always happens that way.
00:15:58
Felicia Devine
It always works out.
00:16:01
Natalie Richards
people who are related, people who, it just always happens that way.
00:16:03
Felicia Devine
is it
00:16:04
Natalie Richards
It's so funny. And I'm like, oh wait, you guys know each other.
00:16:05
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:16:06
Natalie Richards
Oh, okay.
00:16:06
Felicia Devine
Yeah. I have people. They're like, oh that's my cousin.
00:16:08
Natalie Richards
Well, yeah.
00:16:08
Felicia Devine
i'm like, what?
00:16:10
Natalie Richards
Okay.
00:16:11
Felicia Devine
Like, she'll be like, that's my aunt. I'm like, you're the same age. She's like, I know. I'm like, this is real confusing.
00:16:14
Natalie Richards
Right. So funny. It's great.
00:16:18
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:16:18
Natalie Richards
We've created such great communities and I love it so much.
00:16:20
Felicia Devine
Yeah. It's so fun. it Sometimes, well, let's just say the clinical side is the fun stuff that doesn't feel like work.
00:16:23
Natalie Richards
I love it.
00:16:27
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:16:28
Felicia Devine
Like I love being the chiropractor.
00:16:29
Natalie Richards
Yeah. I do too.
00:16:31
Felicia Devine
I absolutely love it.
00:16:31
Natalie Richards
I love it.
00:16:33
Felicia Devine
I love it. ah
00:16:34
Natalie Richards
I love chatting. I love, yeah, not everything, but I do love most of it.
00:16:35
Felicia Devine
Yeah. We call it.
00:16:40
Felicia Devine
My girls know I like to yap. And so they'll specifically schedule my day in certain ways where they're like, yeah, we gave her some extra time because she, we knew.
00:16:42
Natalie Richards
Yeah. Yeah.
00:16:46
Natalie Richards
There's a yap break. There's a You know, what I always think about is I always think I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm so like Dr.
00:16:50
Felicia Devine
We knew you'd be talking.
00:16:58
Natalie Richards
Wallace. It's unbelievable. And it's so funny.
00:17:00
Felicia Devine
No, it's so true. It is so true.
00:17:02
Natalie Richards
Dr. Wallace is who like trained both of us. And we always would just be like, oh God, he's talking again. It's going to be 30 minutes.
00:17:08
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:17:09
Natalie Richards
And we're not like that bad, but it's still...
00:17:10
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:17:12
Felicia Devine
I mean, we we at least have a self-awareness about it.
00:17:15
Natalie Richards
We have a little bit of awareness.
00:17:16
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:17:16
Natalie Richards
Yes.
00:17:17
Felicia Devine
wonder. I'd be curious to know if Dr. Wallace listens to our podcast.
00:17:21
Natalie Richards
I will send it to him. I talked to him the other day.
00:17:24
Felicia Devine
Did you?
00:17:24
Natalie Richards
did not maybe like a couple months ago.
00:17:25
Felicia Devine
He used to message us on Facebook. Yeah.
00:17:27
Natalie Richards
Yeah. He's the best. He's so funny.
00:17:28
Felicia Devine
Oh, we adore him.
00:17:30
Natalie Richards
I know.
00:17:30
Felicia Devine
um We are the chiropractors we are because of Dr. Wallace.
00:17:33
Natalie Richards
But truly, it truly is.
00:17:35
Felicia Devine
Literally. Yeah.
00:17:37
Natalie Richards
And he's like, he's 80.
00:17:38
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:17:39
Natalie Richards
I forget how old he is now.
00:17:41
Felicia Devine
I mean, we're grateful that he was our clinic doc before he retired.
00:17:42
Natalie Richards
he's like,
00:17:45
Natalie Richards
I know we were, we barely snuck in there.
00:17:48
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:17:49
Natalie Richards
I'm pretty sure he's 83, 83 or right now.
00:17:55
Felicia Devine
Dr. Wallace, if you're listening, let us know.
00:17:56
Natalie Richards
Hi.
00:17:58
Felicia Devine
Let us know how old you are.
00:18:00
Natalie Richards
But he's doing well. The last time I talked to him, he was doing well.
00:18:03
Felicia Devine
He's a young
Estate Sale Adventures
00:18:04
Felicia Devine
60.
00:18:04
Natalie Richards
Yeah. So funny. um
00:18:08
Felicia Devine
oh my goodness.
00:18:09
Natalie Richards
Okay. I have to tell you about today. It was so funny.
00:18:12
Felicia Devine
Oh, I saw that on your Instagram. Okay. Give us give us some insight.
00:18:14
Natalie Richards
i I something on Instagram and I had texted Kyle this morning. Kyle's at work this morning. He usually does not work mornings, but...
00:18:23
Felicia Devine
okay.
00:18:24
Natalie Richards
He has had to the last few weeks just because somebody quit and don't know, whatever. So he's at work and we had talked about this estate sta this estate sale last night because somebody posted it on the Ogle County page and it was...
00:18:39
Natalie Richards
All these pictures of like taxidermy and like bolo ties and like old knives and like a zebra hide rug was hanging off the banister in this like old log cabin.
00:18:43
Felicia Devine
Oh.
00:18:53
Natalie Richards
And I was like, I feel like I like that.
00:18:56
Felicia Devine
I feel called to go.
00:18:57
Natalie Richards
um I just felt like, you know, I needed to go. And I was like, you know, I have a babysitter this morning. I'm just going to go to this estate sale.
00:19:05
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:19:06
Natalie Richards
And it's like 20 minutes from our house. So in the scheme of in the realm of of my life, 20 minutes is very close.
00:19:11
Felicia Devine
That's very close. Yeah.
00:19:14
Natalie Richards
Like perfect, 20 minutes, amazing, literally.
00:19:16
Felicia Devine
Just around the corner.
00:19:18
Natalie Richards
So I'm driving to the estate sale and I text Kyle and I go, how much do you think is like at a reasonable amount for a zebra rug?
00:19:18
Felicia Devine
you need
00:19:25
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:19:26
Felicia Devine
to know the price prior to arriving.
00:19:28
Natalie Richards
No, no.
00:19:29
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:19:29
Natalie Richards
I just, I was, you know, just like, what, what would I pay for said zebra rug?
00:19:29
Felicia Devine
but
00:19:34
Felicia Devine
What would I pay?
00:19:36
Natalie Richards
Like it's a real zebra. Like how many of these things exist in the world?
00:19:38
Felicia Devine
i think $600.
00:19:41
Natalie Richards
Like you, you can only, that's kind of what I had in my mind.
00:19:42
Felicia Devine
hundred
00:19:45
Natalie Richards
I was like five, six, maybe something like that. He goes, i don't know.
00:19:48
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:19:49
Natalie Richards
Google it. And I
00:19:51
Felicia Devine
Well, the Google's going to tell you.
00:19:51
Natalie Richards
And go, okay.
00:19:52
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:19:53
Natalie Richards
ah So Google said like probably estate sale prices would be somewhere around like $700 if it's really, really pristine, maybe like $1,000.
00:19:54
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:20:03
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:20:03
Natalie Richards
I'm like, okay, fair enough. So i get to this – and estate sales, I feel like they – dave They charge way more than they probably should for certain things, I find.
00:20:14
Felicia Devine
Oh, really? Okay.
00:20:15
Natalie Richards
i don't know.
00:20:16
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:20:16
Natalie Richards
That's like around our area. People who put on estate sales, you go and you're like, seriously, you want me to pay $50 for that?
00:20:22
Felicia Devine
For a mug.
00:20:23
Natalie Richards
ah like Like the bolo ties that I was looking at, was a bolo tie and they were like $50 for a, you know, I'm like, I don't i don't want to pay that really.
00:20:28
Felicia Devine
a For an estate sale. Yeah. Yeah.
00:20:32
Natalie Richards
um
00:20:33
Felicia Devine
Like you're already dead. Quit being greedy. 1,500.
00:20:37
Natalie Richards
Exactly.
00:20:37
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:20:38
Natalie Richards
um So they wanted $1,500 for this zebra. And I was like, okay, yes.
00:20:42
Felicia Devine
Yeah. hundred
00:20:44
Natalie Richards
Which I understand.
00:20:44
Felicia Devine
oh
00:20:45
Natalie Richards
i get it.
00:20:46
Felicia Devine
yeah
00:20:46
Natalie Richards
But this guy, I mean, he had like whole moose heads on his wall. Like he had hunted every possible animal I think that you could hunt in the world probably.
00:20:55
Felicia Devine
And he died. He was dead.
00:20:56
Natalie Richards
He died and that this was his estate sale.
00:20:57
Felicia Devine
Oh.
00:20:59
Natalie Richards
So there were tons of deer mounts. There were like, he had a cougar, like a mountain lion taxidermied, a couple bears.
00:21:06
Felicia Devine
Where are his children?
00:21:07
Natalie Richards
I don't know. I don't know.
00:21:09
Felicia Devine
Why aren't they inheriting that?
00:21:10
Natalie Richards
I don't.
00:21:11
Felicia Devine
That's like inherited items.
00:21:12
Natalie Richards
There are so many things that you just couldn't even bring into your home though. Like it it was so big.
00:21:16
Felicia Devine
Oh.
00:21:18
Natalie Richards
It was crazy.
00:21:18
Felicia Devine
Wow.
00:21:19
Natalie Richards
So what I'm going to do is I'm going to go back on Sunday when everything's half price and I'm going see what's left.
00:21:23
Felicia Devine
Oh.
00:21:24
Natalie Richards
But there was like a zebra head, like a face on the wall. Like it was insane.
00:21:28
Felicia Devine
Was it the face of the zebra?
00:21:30
Natalie Richards
The face of the zebra. It was insane. But they wanted like $2,000 for just the face.
00:21:32
Felicia Devine
Wait, you need both.
00:21:36
Felicia Devine
Oh, yeah.
00:21:37
Natalie Richards
Anyway, it's kind of sickening actually, but...
00:21:39
Felicia Devine
Wow.
Family Fashion Choices
00:21:42
Natalie Richards
But if anybody needs a zebra rug, it's probably me.
00:21:43
Felicia Devine
Wait, what could you get Kyle for Father's Day from there?
00:21:47
Natalie Richards
I already got him something for fun.
00:21:49
Felicia Devine
did you?
00:21:49
Natalie Richards
He goes, I don't want any taxidermy.
00:21:52
Felicia Devine
Would you get Kyle for Father's Day?
00:21:53
Natalie Richards
I got him the new style of Pit Viper sunglasses, um which are like, they had like major blue mirrored things.
00:21:58
Felicia Devine
Ooh.
00:22:01
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:22:02
Natalie Richards
They were like a and a normal like Oakley style is kind of what they were.
00:22:02
Felicia Devine
That's so Kyle.
00:22:05
Natalie Richards
And then I got Jean also a pair of kid size pit vipers too. So like both have their little, he needed a size up.
00:22:11
Felicia Devine
Cute. Yes. Yeah.
00:22:15
Natalie Richards
So that was it.
00:22:15
Felicia Devine
I got, well, Danny got Seppi the baby. So you got Giuseppe the baby vipers.
00:22:20
Natalie Richards
Baby vipers.
00:22:22
Felicia Devine
Dan bought Seppi the toddler, like the kid's eyes.
00:22:25
Natalie Richards
Ah,
00:22:26
Felicia Devine
um But he still likes his baby vipers way more.
00:22:29
Natalie Richards
the big ones. He wore the baby ones for a long time.
00:22:32
Felicia Devine
Yeah. They still fit, Sep.
00:22:33
Natalie Richards
And now he's just, he's a little too big now.
00:22:34
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah. They still fit him. So we keep both in the diaper.
00:22:37
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm.
00:22:38
Felicia Devine
Well, we don't use the diaper bag. We use the bog bag.
00:22:40
Natalie Richards
They're so cute. Yeah.
00:22:41
Felicia Devine
Yeah. um So we keep both in there. And like we were at an indoor birthday party the other day and he like whips them out and like puts his his baby Vipes on indoors. And like it was it was a girl's birthday party.
00:22:49
Natalie Richards
Of course he did. And they're like, what is this?
00:22:52
Felicia Devine
So there's like a lot of girls there. And I was like, are you trying to be so cool for the girlies?
00:22:56
Natalie Richards
one he was. That's so cute.
00:22:58
Felicia Devine
i know. It was precious.
00:22:58
Natalie Richards
so
00:23:00
Felicia Devine
So –
00:23:00
Natalie Richards
Oh, also Jean got a mullet.
00:23:02
Felicia Devine
Oh, yes.
00:23:02
Natalie Richards
I sent you. oh my gosh.
00:23:04
Felicia Devine
This is like ah just in this week.
00:23:06
Natalie Richards
It is. I have to, I'll post a picture of it on, on Instagram.
00:23:07
Felicia Devine
Gene got his first mullet. It aged him five years.
00:23:12
Natalie Richards
It literally did. He looks like he's 10.
00:23:14
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:23:15
Natalie Richards
It's so cute though. Every time I look at him, I'm like, oh my God, you're so cute.
00:23:16
Felicia Devine
He's adorable. I don't feel like he'll be mistaked as a girl anymore.
00:23:22
Natalie Richards
I hope not.
00:23:23
Felicia Devine
Because that's not a girl haircut.
00:23:24
Natalie Richards
No, he looks like a boy.
00:23:25
Felicia Devine
out Like, he looks like a dirt boy.
00:23:28
Natalie Richards
He is a boy. He is a
00:23:30
Felicia Devine
And you put those pit vipers on him, he's going to look like a boy.
00:23:31
Natalie Richards
He is literally joe Dirt.
00:23:34
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah. I know.
00:23:36
Natalie Richards
And now he and Kyle have the exact same haircut and they look so alike.
00:23:37
Felicia Devine
Oh, gosh. Well, same with Dan and Seppy.
00:23:42
Natalie Richards
It's so cute. Oh, it's so cute.
00:23:43
Felicia Devine
They have the exact mullet.
00:23:44
Natalie Richards
I love a kid in a mullet. My mom is horrified.
00:23:46
Felicia Devine
I do, too. And a dad in a mullet.
00:23:48
Natalie Richards
my my mom is like mortified. She goes, I didn't tell him that I don't like it, but like, I don't like it.
00:23:51
Felicia Devine
Why?
00:23:55
Natalie Richards
She
00:23:56
Felicia Devine
Your mom didn't like Jean's haircut.
00:23:58
Natalie Richards
hates it.
00:24:00
Felicia Devine
I need a
00:24:01
Natalie Richards
But he's so cute. She just is not.
00:24:05
Felicia Devine
I'm into it.
00:24:06
Natalie Richards
She's done into the mullet. And that's okay. It's fine.
00:24:08
Felicia Devine
That's okay. She's more country club.
00:24:10
Natalie Richards
She is. And you know what?
00:24:11
Felicia Devine
That's okay.
00:24:12
Natalie Richards
The country club people are still going to love the mullet because it's Jean.
00:24:15
Felicia Devine
I know. I know.
00:24:16
Natalie Richards
Oh, boy.
00:24:17
Felicia Devine
It's Shane. He's so darn cute. Oh, guess where I went shopping the other day and hit a jackpot.
00:24:21
Natalie Richards
Where? Okay, know.
00:24:23
Felicia Devine
Like country club level clothing. Walmart.
00:24:28
Natalie Richards
okay i know I know.
00:24:31
Felicia Devine
Shocking.
00:24:32
Natalie Richards
I know.
00:24:32
Felicia Devine
Gorgeous.
00:24:33
Natalie Richards
i know.
00:24:34
Felicia Devine
Gorgeous cotton maxi skirts.
00:24:36
Natalie Richards
but's i know. That's the only place around us that I can actually go to. Yeah.
00:24:40
Felicia Devine
I'm like shocked. Dave goes, how did you spend this much money at Walmart?
00:24:42
Natalie Richards
so So I occasionally dabble.
00:24:44
Felicia Devine
What did you buy? I'm like, an entire new wardrobe.
00:24:46
Natalie Richards
Yeah. Yeah. Yep.
00:24:48
Felicia Devine
Entire.
00:24:48
Natalie Richards
For Jean. Oh my gosh. The kids clothes.
00:24:51
Felicia Devine
Are they good?
00:24:52
Natalie Richards
They're amazing.
00:24:53
Felicia Devine
Oh, I didn't look.
00:24:53
Natalie Richards
They're so, you have to look. They're so cute.
00:24:56
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:24:56
Natalie Richards
So cute. I don't like Walmart in general. I really don't.
00:24:59
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:24:59
Natalie Richards
Like they, they really don't for groceries. Like they just don't have the things I need. They just don't. Sometimes like they have a decent organic produce selection, but everything else that is lacking, desperately lacking.
00:25:11
Felicia Devine
Yeah. I found our yogurt and I found our creamer there, but like, yeah.
00:25:14
Natalie Richards
It's that's about it. But they're they really do.
00:25:16
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:25:18
Natalie Richards
Their kids' clothes section is popping.
00:25:19
Felicia Devine
Okay. Okay. Yeah, we we frequented Walmart twice in the past week.
00:25:26
Natalie Richards
Oh, my.
00:25:28
Felicia Devine
It was lovely.
00:25:28
Natalie Richards
No, they really are. they're They're stepping up their game a little bit.
00:25:31
Felicia Devine
Yeah, no, but my outfit I got, so we're doing two lake trips this year.
00:25:31
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:25:35
Felicia Devine
We're going to Michigan um to visit Dan's brother and then we're going to Minnesota to visit Aunt Judy.
00:25:36
Natalie Richards
Mm
00:25:39
Natalie Richards
hmm. Mm hmm. You are. yeah.
00:25:42
Felicia Devine
Yeah, and so the clothes, I got like this capsule wardrobe for those like lake trips and I'm like into it.
00:25:46
Natalie Richards
I love it. Lake trips. Yeah, they have they do. They have so many very like Americana vibe.
00:25:51
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:25:54
Felicia Devine
Yes. 4th of July.
00:25:55
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:25:56
Felicia Devine
Like one of my sweaters has this like big sailboat on it.
00:25:56
Natalie Richards
So cute.
00:25:59
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:25:59
Felicia Devine
And like, I'm like, Oh, so cute.
00:26:01
Natalie Richards
Yep.
00:26:02
Felicia Devine
So yeah.
00:26:02
Natalie Richards
Agreed.
00:26:03
Felicia Devine
So Walmart it's,
00:26:03
Natalie Richards
How fun.
Health Journeys and Adjustments
00:26:05
Felicia Devine
it's happening.
00:26:05
Felicia Devine
And I got new pajamas there.
00:26:05
Natalie Richards
ah fun.
00:26:06
Felicia Devine
Oh my gosh. I'm decked in Walmart.
00:26:08
Natalie Richards
Lovely.
00:26:10
Felicia Devine
Lovely. Um, um, how is your mold and lime journey?
00:26:11
Natalie Richards
It's kind of hilarious, actually.
00:26:17
Natalie Richards
um It's good. i would say generally good. Actually, you know what? Today, very good. I woke up and my tongue, but my feet are much better.
00:26:24
Felicia Devine
Your feet okay?
00:26:26
Natalie Richards
My tongue was not white this morning or had just like a little bit.
00:26:26
Felicia Devine
Good.
00:26:30
Natalie Richards
Like I scrape it every day, but it was like not that much today.
00:26:30
Felicia Devine
Okay. Yeah.
00:26:34
Natalie Richards
I was surprised.
00:26:35
Felicia Devine
Good.
00:26:36
Natalie Richards
So that's really good. So things I think are coming more in balance and I'm very happy about that.
00:26:40
Felicia Devine
Good. Awesome.
00:26:42
Natalie Richards
um Being pretty good about taking my things, which is great.
00:26:45
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah.
00:26:46
Natalie Richards
um Lots of activated charcoal still, lots more herbs. So I'm like really taking a lot of herbs
00:26:51
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:26:54
Felicia Devine
Wow.
00:26:55
Natalie Richards
It's like a herbal tincture with tons of stuff.
00:26:58
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:26:59
Natalie Richards
And I'm taking like three different herbal blends to kill this crapola off.
00:27:02
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:27:04
Natalie Richards
And Kyle, the other day, he had like the stomach flu when we got home from the lake and he was feeling so bad.
00:27:09
Felicia Devine
Oh, no.
00:27:11
Natalie Richards
And I'm like ju chugging along like nothing ever happened because I'm literally
00:27:14
Felicia Devine
Yeah, because you're taking six grams of charcoal a day.
00:27:19
Natalie Richards
binding and killing every possible thing that could come in my body.
00:27:21
Felicia Devine
Not a chance something could stick in there.
00:27:22
Natalie Richards
So Really good. know. Isn't that funny?
00:27:26
Felicia Devine
Wow.
00:27:28
Felicia Devine
That's incredible. I have a question for you.
00:27:30
Natalie Richards
yes
00:27:31
Felicia Devine
I had a patient in this week with a symptom that I wasn't expecting. So she started care a couple weeks ago and then she was like, my husband and i were talking and he's like, yeah, you're always like extra edgy, emotional, grumpy, like whatever you want to call it, the day after you get adjusted.
00:27:37
Natalie Richards
okay
00:27:48
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm.
00:27:50
Felicia Devine
and she's like, oh, I didn't think of that.
00:27:50
Natalie Richards
Interesting.
00:27:51
Felicia Devine
And then she's like, what do you take of that? And I was like, well, my take would be that your body is like detoxing.
00:27:57
Natalie Richards
Definitely.
00:27:57
Felicia Devine
And then it's all free floating in your system the next day.
00:28:00
Natalie Richards
Definitely.
00:28:00
Felicia Devine
so you need a binder.
00:28:00
Natalie Richards
She should take a, but definitely.
00:28:02
Felicia Devine
Yeah. So I gave her charcoal to try. She forgot to try it.
00:28:04
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:28:05
Felicia Devine
So I don't know if it was. But I was like, try it this time. So she got adjusted.
00:28:10
Natalie Richards
And she'd probably want to do it like that night and the day after.
00:28:12
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:28:13
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:28:13
Felicia Devine
Yeah. That's what I told her.
00:28:14
Natalie Richards
yeah
00:28:14
Felicia Devine
Um, but I was like, I haven't had anybody draw that correlation.
00:28:17
Natalie Richards
Oh, funny.
00:28:19
Felicia Devine
It does make sense physiologically to me that you would be detoxing and then feeling the effects of the like floating toxins.
00:28:21
Natalie Richards
Definitely.
00:28:27
Natalie Richards
Yes. Yes.
00:28:28
Felicia Devine
Um, so.
00:28:29
Natalie Richards
I've had some people have similar things, maybe not like mood wise, but definitely like it would be like a resurgence of their, like somebody was getting vertigo from
00:28:33
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:28:42
Natalie Richards
like toxins basically. Like they would, ah anytime they would like take in something, they would get vertigo.
00:28:44
Felicia Devine
again
00:28:49
Natalie Richards
Um, so like after an adjustment, it would sometimes, it would like resurge that just for a second and then it would go away. So like, that would be kind of the same thing.
00:28:56
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I told her, I was like, I'm going to say physiology tells me.
00:29:03
Natalie Richards
Yeah, I would agree.
00:29:04
Felicia Devine
That you're detoxing. I don't have any anecdotal evidence or like but i don't have a scientific paper to give to you.
00:29:06
Natalie Richards
No, I don't know. You could ever no
00:29:10
Felicia Devine
But I was like, the easiest thing we could try is a binder and see if it helps. So we'll see.
00:29:14
Natalie Richards
Definitely.
00:29:15
Felicia Devine
I'll report back.
00:29:16
Natalie Richards
Very interesting. Yeah.
00:29:17
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:29:17
Natalie Richards
I'd be curious. She's probably going to have to do a lot more work than just that, but yeah.
00:29:18
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:29:22
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah. Well, there's, yeah, there's a lot more going on.
00:29:25
Natalie Richards
hu
00:29:25
Felicia Devine
um
00:29:26
Natalie Richards
Interesting. But that's the power of the adjustment also is it's incredible.
00:29:27
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Mm-hmm. No, literally. I've had patients come in and be like, ah I'm sorry if this is a weird question, but like my pee smells so bad after I get adjusted.
00:29:38
Natalie Richards
right?
00:29:38
Felicia Devine
I'm like, yeah, let's go.
00:29:39
Natalie Richards
Yes. That's good. it's good i know Like it's supposed to happen.
00:29:42
Felicia Devine
Like that's a detox pathway. We want that. Yeah. Better out than in Yeah.
00:29:47
Natalie Richards
yep And like periods getting better and just like from doing nothing other than just getting adjusted.
00:29:52
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah.
00:29:53
Natalie Richards
Like it's amazing.
00:29:54
Felicia Devine
It is truly phenomenal.
00:29:55
Natalie Richards
Very powerful. oh
Miscarriage and Emotional Healing
00:29:56
Natalie Richards
my gosh.
00:29:56
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:29:56
Natalie Richards
Gene yesterday, I adjusted him. he goes, and I said, Oh, how did that one feel Jeannie? And he said, mommy, you're the best chiropractor ever. i go, Oh, You're kidding me
00:30:07
Felicia Devine
That's cute.
00:30:08
Natalie Richards
Like what? Isn't that so sweet?
00:30:09
Felicia Devine
Oh, I love it. Do you pop crack him or do you activate him?
00:30:15
Natalie Richards
Um, just with the anteriors.
00:30:18
Felicia Devine
Oh, you give him anteriors.
00:30:19
Natalie Richards
I do. Yeah.
00:30:20
Felicia Devine
i mean, he's bigger.
00:30:20
Natalie Richards
Only because like, yeah, just like very gently. um mostly just drops. He likes the drops.
00:30:27
Felicia Devine
Oh, do you? Yeah.
00:30:28
Natalie Richards
He's just like super gentle little drops.
00:30:28
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:30:31
Natalie Richards
I feel like he does better with that. He doesn't like the activator very much.
00:30:35
Felicia Devine
Really?
00:30:35
Natalie Richards
Yeah. He's like, nope, don't put that thing near me.
00:30:38
Felicia Devine
Oh, Seppi loves that.
00:30:38
Natalie Richards
Yeah. So he even like, I'll do like teeny tiny little drops in his neck too. Just like tiny, tiny.
00:30:43
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Oh.
00:30:45
Natalie Richards
And then little bit cranial work just a little bit.
00:30:47
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:30:47
Natalie Richards
He loves that. He loves just like having his head, head smooshed.
00:30:49
Felicia Devine
Mm.
00:30:51
Felicia Devine
Seppi will like jump on. We have my table. I have a portable table set up in the basement and he'll lay down face down on the table, like face in the face thing, wanting an adjustment.
00:30:59
Natalie Richards
Yep. Yep.
00:31:01
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:31:01
Natalie Richards
That's what Jean does too. He's like, okay, adjustment time, mommy.
00:31:03
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:31:03
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm.
00:31:04
Felicia Devine
I'm like, okay.
00:31:05
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm.
00:31:05
Felicia Devine
Yeah. He like begs for adjustments. Yeah.
00:31:07
Natalie Richards
That's so cute. he know Gene knows exactly when he needs it.
00:31:11
Felicia Devine
and
00:31:11
Natalie Richards
He knows exactly. Or he'll say, oh, my my tummy kind of hurts. Can I have an adjustment? or o Sometimes I think he's fibbing, but yeah.
00:31:18
Felicia Devine
Yeah, but he just wants an adjustment. Yeah.
00:31:22
Natalie Richards
That's just cute though.
00:31:23
Felicia Devine
I love it.
00:31:23
Natalie Richards
I know.
00:31:23
Felicia Devine
We talked so much about business already today.
00:31:25
Natalie Richards
Holy cow. Look at us.
00:31:26
Felicia Devine
Wow. Look at us having a business podcast.
00:31:27
Natalie Richards
Now we need to get into some other things because we left people with a decent cliffhanger last time.
00:31:31
Felicia Devine
Yes. Yes.
00:31:36
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:31:37
Natalie Richards
And um pretty much just saying like, okay, Felicia nearly died. like Like as close to dying as without dying.
00:31:46
Felicia Devine
Without dying.
00:31:49
Natalie Richards
which is shocking. Um, and, and it's kind of like, okay, can this happen from just like a normal miscarriage?
00:31:52
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:31:58
Felicia Devine
Right. Like, why did this happen?
00:31:59
Natalie Richards
And that's like, that's like a little shocking to, to think now people, women die from pregnancy related complications all the time.
00:32:02
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:32:09
Natalie Richards
Like, I don't know if, I don't know if people understand
00:32:09
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:32:13
Natalie Richards
the rate at which women actually die from these things.
00:32:15
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:32:15
Natalie Richards
It happens.
00:32:16
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:32:16
Natalie Richards
And if you didn't advocate for yourself in the way that you needed to, you probably would have been part of that.
00:32:17
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:32:20
Felicia Devine
I know.
00:32:24
Felicia Devine
Right.
00:32:25
Natalie Richards
And when people don't know how to navigate the system, that makes me very, very, very nervous for them.
00:32:25
Felicia Devine
i know. It's so crazy.
00:32:31
Felicia Devine
Right. Right.
00:32:33
Natalie Richards
However, your situation, as we will get into, is not a normal miscarriage situation.
00:32:40
Felicia Devine
Why would it be? why would it be normal?
00:32:41
Natalie Richards
Why why would it be? So I would love to hear kind of what happened.
00:32:43
Felicia Devine
Let me be the one person percenter. Yeah.
00:32:48
Natalie Richards
What did you find out at pretty much starting with your post-op appointment?
00:32:53
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:32:53
Natalie Richards
after the DNC and after you got home and couldn't sleep for days and was traumatized and all of this, like what kind of, what things came up after that kind of helped bring all of these pieces together?
00:32:55
Felicia Devine
ah hello
00:32:59
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Traumatized.
00:33:08
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Kind of. Well, and it's still so funny because no one's taking full responsibility for it.
00:33:14
Natalie Richards
Of course not.
00:33:15
Felicia Devine
Of course not. Okay. So it's not,
00:33:16
Natalie Richards
And I don't know that it is a even one person's problem. it's It's such a...
00:33:22
Felicia Devine
it is
00:33:23
Natalie Richards
Yeah, anyway, we'll get into it.
00:33:24
Felicia Devine
it's so complicated. Okay. So I get home, obviously have a ton of PTSD. So I immediately seek out my Reiki practitioner
00:33:33
Natalie Richards
Oh, yes.
00:33:34
Felicia Devine
I see her Monday morning because I'm like, I have PTSD hard. Like I've never had PTSD.
00:33:38
Natalie Richards
Uh-huh.
00:33:40
Natalie Richards
Uh-huh. But you were struggling.
00:33:41
Felicia Devine
It was crazy. I truly don't understand how people live like that. Every minute of my existence in the aftermath was like, I would have been dead.
00:33:53
Felicia Devine
I would have died. I'm a dead. Like it was all I could think about, which is crazy.
00:33:56
Natalie Richards
Wow.
00:33:57
Felicia Devine
Cause it was just like, not how I normally would have operated.
00:34:00
Natalie Richards
yeah And that you said last time, that's what you felt more after this situation than even losing the baby. It was like, it was, it was that you had nearly left this earth.
00:34:08
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:34:11
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Which is interesting because then many weeks later, i actually started feeling sad about the pregnancy loss, um which was like a new experience.
00:34:17
Natalie Richards
Yeah. Which makes sense.
00:34:23
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:34:23
Felicia Devine
um So, okay. So I immediately got help with the PTSD and that substantially subsided. Like,
00:34:29
Natalie Richards
Okay, amazing.
00:34:30
Felicia Devine
Like I wouldn't say I am struggling currently, which is good.
00:34:33
Natalie Richards
Good. Amazing.
00:34:34
Felicia Devine
So um I had originally gotten contact with the hospital and they were like, oh, here you need to schedule your post-op appointment. um
Medical Insights on Molar Pregnancy
00:34:44
Felicia Devine
We scheduled it for you.
00:34:46
Felicia Devine
I'm like, okay.
00:34:46
Natalie Richards
Okay.
00:34:47
Felicia Devine
So I look at my calendar and it's like on a day I work and also with a doctor that i that wasn't even in the ER, the hospital, like completely out of that scenario, it was just a post-op check with this doctor.
00:34:51
Natalie Richards
What?
00:34:54
Natalie Richards
what
00:35:03
Natalie Richards
That's crazy.
00:35:05
Felicia Devine
So I call back and I'm like, um no, thank you. i need to see the surgeon.
00:35:09
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:35:09
Felicia Devine
they're like, oh well, he doesn't even work at this office. Like you have to call a different office. Like he doesn't even work here. I'm like, okay. Like that's interesting.
00:35:15
Natalie Richards
Okay.
00:35:17
Felicia Devine
So I call his office and they're like, yeah, we can see you. i think it was 12 days post-op. postop um which is like not really that relevant.
00:35:25
Natalie Richards
Fine.
00:35:26
Felicia Devine
Like it doesn't really matter. So I get in, I go to the appointment and he comes in and he is fabulous.
00:35:28
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:35:35
Felicia Devine
He talked to me for like 45 minutes.
00:35:35
Natalie Richards
Amazing. Wow.
00:35:38
Felicia Devine
I asked him every question under the sun. I'm like, what was this scenario? What was that? How did this happen? Is this normal? dahda da da dah We're going through and through and through.
00:35:48
Felicia Devine
I'm like, what are my chances of hemorrhaging on a next pregnancy?
00:35:49
Natalie Richards
Awesome.
00:35:52
Felicia Devine
Like, am I still a good candidate for home birth?
00:35:55
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:35:55
Felicia Devine
What does it look like for getting pregnant again? What was this? So we're going through all these things. Now, towards the end of the conversation, i say I had a sinking suspicion.
00:36:07
Felicia Devine
Like, I kind of wanted to gauge where he was.
00:36:10
Natalie Richards
In terms of whether he thought that this was like a literal, you almost died situation.
00:36:12
Felicia Devine
Like.
00:36:15
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:36:15
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:36:15
Felicia Devine
And I was also like, like how, how like woohoo he was.
00:36:15
Natalie Richards
From his perspective.
00:36:20
Felicia Devine
Like, I don't know. I was like kind of trying to gauge that because at the end of the conversation, i go, all right, this might sound a little out there.
00:36:22
Natalie Richards
Okay.
00:36:28
Felicia Devine
But was there any indication to you that I was having twins? I said, i had this feeling.
00:36:34
Natalie Richards
Oh, okay.
00:36:35
Felicia Devine
i had this knowing. i had this intuition that i was going to have twins. And he's like, you know what? Let's take a look at the pathology report again.
00:36:46
Felicia Devine
Like, let's just like read through it one more time.
00:36:48
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:36:48
Felicia Devine
And I'm like, okay. So he opens up the pathology report and he was like, oh, wait a minute. He was like, actually, like all these recommendations I already gave you, like, let's recount this because this is showing signs.
00:37:02
Felicia Devine
So what they found on pathology was hydrophic changes to the chorionic villi. Those are big words. Basically what happened is I had internal swelling of my placenta. My placenta had swollen pieces of it, which is like very abnormal. um And it had extra blood supply to it, which is also abnormal. And that pathology report indicates that I had what's called molar pregnancy.
00:37:36
Felicia Devine
So this was kind of like all new to me when he was dropping this.
00:37:36
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:37:38
Felicia Devine
Cause like, I've heard of the word molar pregnancy back in embryology, which we took in, like, we took that in 2017.
00:37:42
Natalie Richards
I have two. I mean, it's yeah. Like, oh yeah.
00:37:45
Felicia Devine
Like, I'm sorry.
00:37:45
Natalie Richards
A molar pregnancy. Okay, cool.
00:37:47
Felicia Devine
yeah I don't remember much.
00:37:48
Natalie Richards
Okay.
00:37:48
Felicia Devine
And he's like, yeah, like, um, you know how I said you can get pregnant after your first normal cycle. Like we're going to take a little hiatus on that. Um, he was like, yeah, I don't want you getting pregnant.
00:38:01
Felicia Devine
Um, the recommendation is like six months to a year. And I was like, what? And he was like, yeah, this is like a little bit more serious. You know, this pathology report is giving us an indication that like it was a molar pregnancy.
00:38:13
Felicia Devine
And I'm like, okay. But he like didn't go into detail.
00:38:17
Natalie Richards
didn't go into it.
00:38:17
Felicia Devine
This was like the end of the conversation.
00:38:19
Natalie Richards
Right. He had already spent way too much time with you.
00:38:20
Felicia Devine
i was like, okay, yeah.
00:38:22
Natalie Richards
and
00:38:24
Felicia Devine
He was like, okay, so moving forward, you need to get weekly blood work. And I was like, oh, he was like, yeah, we have to, yeah, we have to like monitor your hormone levels weekly.
00:38:28
Natalie Richards
Weekly.
00:38:32
Felicia Devine
And I was like, oh, okay.
00:38:33
Natalie Richards
To make sure that HCG is coming down.
00:38:34
Felicia Devine
And i was like, yeah. And i was like, okay. So I like leave there with like Not much closure, but like a little bit of closure, but not really.
00:38:42
Natalie Richards
Yeah. More questions.
00:38:44
Felicia Devine
And I was like, okay. Yeah. But I didn't know I had more questions until I got home and was like actually like expanding my brain into what a molar pregnancy is. And I was like, oh my goodness.
00:38:55
Natalie Richards
ah
00:38:55
Felicia Devine
Like there. So I'm going to go.
00:38:57
Natalie Richards
Please explain, please elaborate.
00:38:58
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:38:58
Natalie Richards
Yes.
00:38:59
Felicia Devine
So a molar pregnancy is essentially. A pregnancy that exists that is either one... Okay, okay.
00:39:09
Felicia Devine
There's two types. Complete molar pregnancy, partial molar pregnancy.
00:39:13
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm.
00:39:14
Felicia Devine
A complete molar pregnancy is one sperm fertilizes one egg, but the egg does not have DNA from the mother.
00:39:20
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:39:21
Felicia Devine
So you basically get one set of chromosomes. A normal baby is developed with two sets of chromosomes. Okay.
00:39:25
Natalie Richards
Yes.
00:39:26
Felicia Devine
So this type of complete molar pregnancy is essentially fully tumor-based. So it has no baby pieces because it doesn't have enough DNA to create any baby pieces.
00:39:32
Natalie Richards
Yes.
00:39:38
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:39:39
Natalie Richards
But it still has like, again, the parts, right? Like it still creates a placenta or not even, it won't even implant.
00:39:44
Felicia Devine
is
00:39:45
Natalie Richards
Okay.
00:39:45
Felicia Devine
It's just tumor. it They call it a cluster of grapes.
00:39:48
Natalie Richards
Got it. Okay.
00:39:49
Felicia Devine
It's just tumor cells dividing. Okay. Then there's partial molar pregnancy. A partial molar pregnancy is one egg gets fertilized by two sperm. This creates baby pieces, but typically no baby.
00:40:04
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:40:05
Felicia Devine
Okay, so you get like the placenta and the fecal sac and like things like that. um Now that is like the first indicator to us that mine was a partial molar pregnancy.
00:40:15
Natalie Richards
Right. And if we think back to when you had your ultrasound, the interesting part of that ultrasound was that, yes, you had everything there, but there was no baby inside.
00:40:16
Felicia Devine
i
00:40:19
Felicia Devine
yes
00:40:26
Felicia Devine
No baby. said Yeah.
00:40:27
Natalie Richards
And it was kind of like, when you said that, I was like, huh, okay.
00:40:31
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:40:32
Natalie Richards
Because that's not normal.
00:40:32
Felicia Devine
Okay. Normal.
00:40:34
Natalie Richards
Anyway.
00:40:36
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:40:36
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:40:37
Felicia Devine
So, okay So I'm like doing my own research because he basically drops a bomb that like, oh, like it it's indicating that maybe it's a molar pregnancy. Then I'm doing my own research and reading up on how dangerous this pregnancy is.
00:40:51
Natalie Richards
h
00:40:51
Felicia Devine
Like if you find out you're having a molar pregnancy, you get an immediate emergency DNC that minute.
00:40:58
Natalie Richards
Right. Which is insane that they didn't mention that to you at the MFM's office.
00:41:00
Felicia Devine
You don't wait eight days to have a natural miscarriage.
00:41:06
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yes.
00:41:09
Natalie Richards
Insane because they're literally, that's what they do.
00:41:09
Felicia Devine
So,
00:41:12
Natalie Richards
That's what an MFM is. It's like they're trained in the unusual, weird, high risk things.
00:41:13
Felicia Devine
yeah
00:41:17
Felicia Devine
Right. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Now we'll circle back to some of the other things that will point to a molar pregnancy that are clinical.
00:41:28
Natalie Richards
Correct.
00:41:29
Felicia Devine
So clinical signs of a molar pregnancy are abnormal levels, abnormally high levels of HCG.
00:41:30
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:41:37
Felicia Devine
Now that is the hormone that shows up as a byproduct in your urine when you pee on a pregnancy test.
00:41:37
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:41:43
Felicia Devine
Now, if I think about when I tested positive with Giuseppe and a ah normal healthy pregnancy, it was like 14 days post-ovulation.
00:41:50
Natalie Richards
huh
00:41:53
Felicia Devine
It was the faintest barely of a line. It was the day I missed my period. Like it couldn't have been like,
00:41:59
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:42:01
Felicia Devine
that to me would have like made me suspicious of like, is this even viable?
00:42:05
Natalie Richards
Totally.
00:42:05
Felicia Devine
you know Now this pregnancy, I tested hard and fast at 10 days post-ovulation with a bright pink line.
00:42:13
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:42:14
Felicia Devine
Okay. So that's abnormal levels of HCG like immediately.
00:42:18
Natalie Richards
Yep.
00:42:18
Felicia Devine
um Secondly, you have a distended like swollen abdomen when you have a molar pregnancy.
00:42:23
Natalie Richards
What you did right away.
00:42:25
Felicia Devine
I had a belly and I even have like a photo I sent to my um mom and I was like, I'm having twins. Like I had, and it wasn't like I was bloated.
00:42:32
Natalie Richards
You, took you showed it to me. i was like, yeah.
00:42:36
Felicia Devine
It was like the, the shape of my uterus, like it was a uterus distense, like it was a pregnancy belly.
00:42:39
Natalie Richards
Distended. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:42:45
Natalie Richards
which makes sense from the placental inflammation that's happening.
00:42:45
Felicia Devine
Um, yeah, yeah, exactly.
00:42:49
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:42:50
Felicia Devine
Um, then it's like, so the other thing is like on ultrasound, you can see, um, ovarian cysts. i then later went back and looked at my um radio, like my radiograph report.
00:43:06
Felicia Devine
And it said on ultrasound, I had a cyst on my right ovary.
00:43:06
Natalie Richards
Okay.
00:43:10
Felicia Devine
Um, now this circles into why I had intuition about having twins because I had one egg fertilized by two sperm and in the rarest of rare, rare, rare, rare pregnancies, this type of DNA modification or like extra chromosomal formation will split and form twins. Um,
00:43:34
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm. But there's only been like what you said, two documented cases of of like viable twins where they've actually been born alive, which...
00:43:38
Felicia Devine
Two documented cases in the whole world. okay
00:43:45
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Almost exclusively do these pregnancies end in a miscarriage because typically they cannot create a viable baby.
00:43:51
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:43:53
Felicia Devine
So.
00:43:53
Natalie Richards
Yeah. And I think if you would have been further along, this would have been even more detrimental to your health.
00:44:00
Felicia Devine
Oh, yeah. Like these, that like I said, if you find out you're having a molar pregnancy, it's immediate DNC. It's like, this is extremely dangerous.
00:44:05
Natalie Richards
Yeah. Yeah.
00:44:08
Felicia Devine
Like the fact that I didn't die from the miscarriage is a blessing because essentially what's happening is like the puzzle pieces and the dominoes that line up in a normal miscarriage of like a baby that just like didn't have enough like gum, like gum.
00:44:11
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:44:21
Felicia Devine
gung-ho and like enough energy and like there were some other reasons they will like deach the placenta will detach and you will pass the contents
00:44:22
Natalie Richards
Yeah. That there was ah some other reason. yeah
Intuition and Future Plans
00:44:29
Felicia Devine
and then your uterus closes now my uterus couldn't close to stop the bleeding because the placenta didn't have enough communication to detach so my placenta was like pretty much still attached and I was bleeding like
00:44:29
Natalie Richards
Yes. Yes.
00:44:39
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:44:41
Natalie Richards
Yep.
00:44:43
Felicia Devine
tremendously because I had a extra vessels that had formed. So I had so much more blood going to my uterus anyway.
00:44:46
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm.
00:44:49
Felicia Devine
And then B the, the lack of detachment wouldn't let the uterus like fully close them, stop that bleeding.
00:44:56
Natalie Richards
Yep.
00:44:57
Felicia Devine
So there were like a lot of pieces of the puzzle that like in hindsight makes sense, right? Like in hindsight, I should have had the DNC right away in hindsight.
00:45:01
Natalie Richards
Definitely.
00:45:04
Natalie Richards
yes
00:45:06
Felicia Devine
We should have realized like the no baby, the swollen abdomen, the high levels of HCG, the cyst on my ovary, um all of that.
00:45:08
Natalie Richards
hu
00:45:13
Natalie Richards
Yep. what
00:45:16
Felicia Devine
My intuition, um freaking intuition, muscle testing.
00:45:19
Natalie Richards
My muscle testing of twins.
00:45:21
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Like Natalie was pulling me as twins.
00:45:23
Natalie Richards
That was crazy.
00:45:24
Felicia Devine
I truly felt deep in my bones. I was having twins.
00:45:26
Natalie Richards
Yeah, you did.
00:45:27
Felicia Devine
And like, yeah I've said that from the second I got pregnant.
00:45:31
Natalie Richards
Yep.
00:45:32
Felicia Devine
And so I'm like, I knew i had too much dna in there.
00:45:35
Natalie Richards
Yep.
00:45:35
Felicia Devine
I knew it.
00:45:36
Natalie Richards
You felt like something was off.
00:45:38
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Like, it's like, it's no surprise that like now looking back on it, of course I had like so much going on in there. Um, and what turns out to be like, so discouraging is that no, like the doctor.
00:45:45
Natalie Richards
Right. Oh, it's so crazy.
00:45:54
Felicia Devine
So essentially to like confirm, let's just say like hard and fast confirmation is doing DNA testing.
00:46:00
Natalie Richards
Sure.
00:46:01
Felicia Devine
But pathology stopped at pathology. They didn't send me for DNA testing.
00:46:05
Natalie Richards
I see.
00:46:06
Felicia Devine
And I went for my post-op.
00:46:06
Natalie Richards
And you can't do anything about that anymore.
00:46:09
Felicia Devine
I went for my post-op 12 days later.
00:46:11
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:46:11
Felicia Devine
It's not like they kept my placenta.
00:46:13
Natalie Richards
No.
00:46:14
Felicia Devine
So all we can really go on is like the clinical signs and the pathology report to say it was most likely like a molar pregnancy.
00:46:15
Natalie Richards
Oh.
00:46:23
Natalie Richards
It makes sense. h
00:46:26
Felicia Devine
And only 1% of people ever have a molar pregnancy.
00:46:30
Natalie Richards
Wow.
00:46:31
Felicia Devine
Like very rare.
00:46:32
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:46:32
Felicia Devine
um i only – I've now met one person. That's that odd one.
00:46:36
Natalie Richards
Wow.
00:46:37
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:46:37
Natalie Richards
I've only heard about it. but Yeah. I've only heard people talking about it in like Facebook groups.
00:46:40
Felicia Devine
Yeah. it's not It's not cool. And it's also really sad because essentially what happens is because it forms incomplete, like incorrect DNA cells, they're precancerous.
00:46:55
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:46:56
Felicia Devine
And so if they don't retrieve all of those cells in the DNC, if any cells get left behind, they can kick up in production and create more tumors.
00:47:07
Natalie Richards
hu
00:47:07
Felicia Devine
And that can create a cancer.
00:47:10
Natalie Richards
And that's why you have to keep getting blood work and you can't get pregnant for a year.
00:47:13
Felicia Devine
You have to keep getting blood work and then you can't get pregnant for a year because if those cells persist in the uterus and you get pregnant, your pregnancy hormones can help like expedite that process or a normal pregnancy can hide the fact that a tumor is growing.
00:47:16
Natalie Richards
the
00:47:28
Natalie Richards
Sure.
00:47:28
Felicia Devine
So there's a lot of like sketchy complications. Now, some people...
00:47:31
Natalie Richards
Would those tumors, would those produce HCG?
00:47:35
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:47:35
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:47:36
Felicia Devine
okay It's ah like a gonadotropic cancer. um But... basically like I'm lucky a to be alive because of that situation, but B I'm lucky that we actually had the DNC to then have the pathology.
00:47:51
Felicia Devine
Cause like, what if I didn't know it was molar?
00:47:52
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:47:54
Felicia Devine
And then after a one normal cycle, we tried to get pregnant, you know?
00:47:58
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:47:58
Felicia Devine
So there's some like blessings and curses all smushed in between.
00:47:58
Natalie Richards
No kidding.
00:48:02
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:48:02
Felicia Devine
Um, but like, there's like specialists out there that deal with molar pregnancies. Like, it's not like a, yeah, it's not like a oopsies,
00:48:07
Natalie Richards
complicated.
00:48:10
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:48:11
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:48:11
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:48:11
Felicia Devine
It's like, this is like a very big deal.
00:48:12
Natalie Richards
It's, it's not like, oh, this was just like a one-off miscarriage.
00:48:15
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:48:15
Natalie Richards
It's like, there's, there's a lot of pieces to it.
00:48:16
Felicia Devine
Yeah. There's a lot of pieces to the puzzle and there's a lot of like confusion because like I said, there's no hard line in the sand that says like, yes, you had a Mueller pregnancy.
00:48:27
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:48:28
Felicia Devine
We're kind of operating under the guise that we did, but then no one's like willing to like give the diagnosis of the Mueller pregnancy.
00:48:34
Natalie Richards
Because you can't.
00:48:35
Felicia Devine
Yeah. And I'm just like so frustrated because I feel like pathology coming up with abnormal findings should immediately constitute further testing.
00:48:36
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm.
00:48:44
Natalie Richards
You would think. And then they, and it wasn't even flagged enough that the doctor noticed it on the pathology report to even tell you, you had to ask.
00:48:49
Felicia Devine
Right.
00:48:51
Felicia Devine
Right. I had to, I had to come up and be like, Hey, what is this? Like, did you feel like I had twins? And then he's like, well, let me re-pull up the pathology.
00:48:59
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:49:01
Felicia Devine
And I'm like, Oh, how did anybody miss this?
00:49:02
Natalie Richards
so nothing was like flagged enough.
00:49:05
Felicia Devine
Yeah. And then Dan and I did our own research and digged through the pathology report, which was so minuscule.
00:49:06
Natalie Richards
It's so weird.
00:49:11
Natalie Richards
Wow.
00:49:12
Felicia Devine
They literally said like microscopic um ah documentation or like microscopic um ah report. And it said, done.
00:49:24
Felicia Devine
I'm sorry, what what? What did you see? or no, it didn't say done. It said performed.
00:49:29
Natalie Richards
Performed. Okay.
00:49:30
Felicia Devine
That was the report. It just said they did it.
00:49:33
Natalie Richards
Whoa.
00:49:34
Felicia Devine
Gross observation performed.
00:49:36
Natalie Richards
Whoa.
00:49:37
Felicia Devine
What did you see?
00:49:39
Natalie Richards
Oh no. So like digging deeper into it, it doesn't have any detail.
00:49:40
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:49:44
Felicia Devine
The only detail they're showing is that it was a pregnancy and that it had the abnormal placenta.
00:49:47
Natalie Richards
Wow.
00:49:52
Natalie Richards
Wow. So many people not doing their jobs in this situation.
00:49:53
Felicia Devine
But again, right. Like how did they think that running that pathology report of a placenta that came back so abnormal, why didn't they not press it for DNA testing?
00:50:04
Natalie Richards
Probably because they didn't realize that you, because they didn't have the ultrasound to to say, oh, this looks like we need to dive deeper into, they should.
00:50:06
Felicia Devine
They're lazy.
00:50:13
Felicia Devine
ah pathology would never have the ultrasound.
00:50:15
Natalie Richards
No, they would never.
00:50:16
Felicia Devine
No, they should just do their job. If it's abnormal, they send for further testing.
00:50:18
Natalie Richards
Yeah. Yeah, they should.
00:50:19
Felicia Devine
It's crazy town. So Dan and I have no true closure, but we're operating under the guise because I need to be safe.
00:50:21
Natalie Richards
Interesting.
00:50:28
Natalie Richards
Which do I think makes sense.
00:50:29
Felicia Devine
Yeah, like I'm not going to, we're not going to try and get pregnant for a whole year because I don't want to deal with like, A, further complications because you're also more at risk of having another molar pregnancy if you've had one and you're trying to get pregnant too soon because your hormones are like not normal.
00:50:29
Natalie Richards
Yeah. No, you do.
00:50:37
Natalie Richards
No.
00:50:41
Natalie Richards
Yep. Yep.
00:50:44
Natalie Richards
No.
00:50:45
Felicia Devine
Um, so we're going to wait the full year.
00:50:47
Natalie Richards
And you wouldn't want there to be a tumor that's growing while you're growing a pregnancy and then you have to deal with that.
00:50:49
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Right. So we're going to wait the full year. I'm going to do all my things.
00:50:55
Natalie Richards
Yikes.
00:50:56
Felicia Devine
Um, but let's just say like my intuition did not lead me astray.
00:50:56
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:51:00
Natalie Richards
No.
00:51:01
Felicia Devine
I knew i had little baby twins in there, my Alfredo and Alfonso.
00:51:04
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm. Mm hmm.
00:51:08
Felicia Devine
But I'll tell you what's interesting now.
00:51:10
Natalie Richards
Yes.
00:51:10
Felicia Devine
I have no connection, gut feeling connection to the twin pregnancy anymore.
00:51:20
Natalie Richards
It's like.
00:51:20
Felicia Devine
I don't think twins are for me anymore.
00:51:22
Natalie Richards
It's like gone where you thought for sure that you were going to.
00:51:24
Felicia Devine
I felt it in every fiber of my body that I was having twins.
00:51:27
Natalie Richards
you did. Yes. And let's go back to the your Reiki, that first one when you found out you were pregnant.
00:51:32
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:51:36
Natalie Richards
And she, did you ask about the twins? Did you ask like, do you think this could be twins or like prior?
00:51:43
Felicia Devine
Prior to getting pregnant, I asked that.
00:51:45
Natalie Richards
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:51:45
Felicia Devine
And she said, no. And she said, no.
00:51:48
Natalie Richards
Twins would be a very bad idea.
00:51:48
Felicia Devine
twins
00:51:50
Natalie Richards
Twin, mm-hmm.
00:51:50
Felicia Devine
She goes, twins would kill you. But like not in that like like physically kill you. But she was like, wouldn't be able to like put one down.
00:51:56
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm.
00:51:59
Felicia Devine
Like she basically was alluding to the fact that like it would be very unhealthy for me.
00:52:03
Natalie Richards
Right. Interesting.
Resilience After Loss
00:52:05
Felicia Devine
It was very unhealthy for me. um But I have no internal knowing of twins anymore. It's like I said goodbye to them.
00:52:14
Natalie Richards
Yeah. They were, which you've read the spirit babies book.
00:52:17
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:52:17
Natalie Richards
It's very like, it's just kind of how things are.
00:52:17
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:52:20
Felicia Devine
Yeah. And it's not that one or the other, it's not that one or the other isn't for me.
00:52:22
Natalie Richards
They've come to you.
00:52:26
Felicia Devine
It's that they will never come together at the same time.
00:52:28
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:52:29
Felicia Devine
So like Alfredo might come out next and then I might have Alfonso, but Alfredo Alfonso will not be coming at the same time.
00:52:30
Natalie Richards
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but at the same time, they're not going to happen. hu
00:52:36
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:52:38
Natalie Richards
And for you, that will be a good thing.
00:52:40
Felicia Devine
Yeah. But it's very weird because I really in maternal instinct felt twins, twins, twins.
00:52:42
Natalie Richards
It's wild. It's so wild.
00:52:47
Felicia Devine
I am a twin.
00:52:47
Natalie Richards
Yep.
00:52:48
Felicia Devine
Like it was like twins. And then now I'm like, oh, that's not for me.
00:52:50
Natalie Richards
Yep. m
00:52:54
Felicia Devine
So interesting.
00:52:54
Natalie Richards
It's so crazy.
00:52:56
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:52:56
Natalie Richards
i I think back to like two learning about fertilization of egg. And there's like all kinds of videos I've seen and all kinds of... like things where people are explaining how that fertilization happens.
00:53:12
Natalie Richards
And it's like the the very millisecond that one sperm touches that egg, that egg is closed, is closed down.
00:53:13
Felicia Devine
The zinc spark and
00:53:19
Felicia Devine
everything turns off. Yes. It's like closed for shop.
00:53:22
Natalie Richards
So these two sperm have to literally be at the exact same millisecond of time
00:53:22
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:53:30
Natalie Richards
touching that egg to to actually even fertilize the egg at the same time, which is unreal.
00:53:34
Felicia Devine
Exactly.
00:53:37
Natalie Richards
And that's how like the chances of that are so, so, so low.
00:53:37
Felicia Devine
I know.
00:53:41
Felicia Devine
Well, and then I was laughing. Dan and I have to find humor in some of it, right?
00:53:44
Natalie Richards
Of course.
00:53:45
Felicia Devine
Like we can't operate on a very serious basis.
00:53:46
Natalie Richards
Otherwise you know, no.
00:53:48
Felicia Devine
So Dan and I were laughing because we're like, I started him on like really good supplements like a couple months prior.
00:53:54
Natalie Richards
That's true. His sperm were so ready.
00:53:57
Felicia Devine
No, literally. I was like, did we create like super sperm? Like, did we like create like, like, you know how in Jurassic Park things get like out of control?
00:54:04
Natalie Richards
A monster. Yeah.
00:54:05
Felicia Devine
Like you like start with a good intention and then things get like really out of hand quickly. i was like, did we create Jurassic Park in you?
00:54:12
Natalie Richards
Oh, my God.
00:54:12
Felicia Devine
Because like, how did this happen? Because at first it was almost like, like it would have been maybe reassuring to have like, oh, a blank egg.
00:54:22
Natalie Richards
Sure.
00:54:22
Felicia Devine
But that's actually worse. So i'm I'm a little bit more excited that it was it was a Dan problem and not a me problem.
00:54:27
Natalie Richards
Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:54:28
Felicia Devine
The Dan's like sperm were just so aggressive.
00:54:35
Felicia Devine
Because I think there's way more detriment to having a blank egg or like at least fertilizing a blank egg.
00:54:40
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:54:43
Felicia Devine
I think there's a lot more not good stuff happening there.
00:54:43
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm. I think the likelihood of something bad happening later is higher and because that's more of like your DNA and your eggs that yeah.
00:54:46
Felicia Devine
um
00:54:49
Felicia Devine
Higher, yeah.
00:54:53
Felicia Devine
yeah Yeah. And those tumors are way different than like a tumor. Like the tumors I was growing were like baby.
00:54:59
Natalie Richards
Yes.
00:54:59
Felicia Devine
The tumors that would grow is like so not baby.
00:55:02
Natalie Richards
It's like actually cancer.
00:55:03
Felicia Devine
It's just like, yeah, it's just like bad stuff.
00:55:04
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm.
00:55:06
Felicia Devine
So it's very interesting.
00:55:06
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm.
00:55:08
Felicia Devine
It was such an enlightening experience because like I said, A, I don't know anyone who's ever had a molar pregnancy.
00:55:10
Natalie Richards
Wow.
00:55:13
Felicia Devine
B, I had no idea the extent of like not getting pregnant.
00:55:17
Natalie Richards
No kidding.
00:55:18
Felicia Devine
Um, so right.
00:55:19
Natalie Richards
And how dangerous it can be. mm-hmm.
00:55:23
Felicia Devine
Well, we have a good friend and he was in the office to see Dan on Monday, which is weird because he is a neonatal. Um, he's a retired neonatologist and Dan was like, yeah, over the weekend, like fleche had miscarriage, but it's turning out.
00:55:34
Natalie Richards
oh wo
00:55:41
Felicia Devine
We're like finding out all these things about it. Like, you know, we're finding out it's a Mueller pregnancy and he looks at Dan and he's like, No. And Dan's like, what? And he was like, that is extremely serious.
00:55:51
Felicia Devine
And dan that's the first time Dan felt like, oh, yeah.
00:55:54
Natalie Richards
Oh, this was bad. hu o o
00:55:57
Felicia Devine
Because he's like, that is not good. So, yeah. Anyway, my twins are, they were here and now they're gone.
00:56:05
Natalie Richards
And now they're gone and maybe they will come to you in ah in a different form.
00:56:08
Felicia Devine
Yeah, I think they'll come separately.
00:56:10
Natalie Richards
Totally. Totally.
00:56:11
Felicia Devine
I don't really think they'll come together again.
00:56:13
Natalie Richards
Totally.
00:56:13
Felicia Devine
No.
00:56:15
Natalie Richards
Oh my gosh.
00:56:16
Felicia Devine
yeah So I'm grateful that I had that experience, but it's so interesting. And it's like, I don't know.
00:56:20
Natalie Richards
Wow.
00:56:23
Felicia Devine
i You just kind of like get up and move on.
00:56:23
Natalie Richards
It's just why you do, why do you have to learn the hard way? Felicia. Yeah.
00:56:32
Felicia Devine
I don't know.
00:56:33
Natalie Richards
Oh man.
00:56:34
Felicia Devine
Yeah, I don't know.
00:56:34
Natalie Richards
But this was like, it's just so crazy how the universe works and how energy works and how all of this like fits together.
00:56:39
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
00:56:43
Natalie Richards
It's just mind boggling to me.
00:56:44
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:56:46
Felicia Devine
Yeah. I will say trust your gut.
00:56:47
Natalie Richards
Cause I was like, oh she's you know, it like wasn't twins and like, Oh, all this stuff.
00:56:48
Felicia Devine
Cause like, okay okay
00:56:51
Natalie Richards
And then it's like, no, wait, like it actually was.
00:56:54
Felicia Devine
it was my twins were there. They just couldn't figure it out.
00:56:58
Natalie Richards
It's just wild how everything works.
00:57:00
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:57:01
Natalie Richards
It's so crazy.
00:57:02
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:57:02
Natalie Richards
When you told me that, I was like crying that last call.
00:57:04
Felicia Devine
I know. i know. Because now it's like, wait, what happened?
00:57:05
Natalie Richards
So I was like, wait, this is insane.
00:57:07
Felicia Devine
And I was like, no, it was twins.
00:57:09
Natalie Richards
It's insane.
00:57:10
Felicia Devine
It wasn't twins, but it was twins, you know?
00:57:11
Natalie Richards
Yeah. Yeah.
00:57:12
Felicia Devine
um But my biggest takeaway from that is like, you have to trust your gut.
00:57:18
Natalie Richards
yeah
00:57:18
Felicia Devine
Because the whole time I was like, I think I want an ultrasound. I think I'm feeling an ultrasound, which I had no desire, gut feeling about Giuseppe having an ultrasound at all.
00:57:22
Natalie Richards
who
00:57:27
Natalie Richards
yeah yeah
00:57:29
Felicia Devine
And I was like, yeah, like I'm just getting an anatomy scan to like make sure the home birth is going to be safe.
00:57:33
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:57:34
Felicia Devine
This pregnancy, I was like, I just feel like I need an ultrasound. I just like, why do I keep getting like this gut feeling of an ultrasound? Well, that gave us some indication of what was coming.
00:57:43
Natalie Richards
There we go.
00:57:44
Felicia Devine
And then ah just like the whole like feeling like, twenty like, All my gut feelings have always led me to the correct place.
00:57:52
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:57:52
Felicia Devine
And, you know, how many more do I probably get that I suppress or I don't listen to Probably a lot. But I'm grateful for the ones I do listen to, you know?
00:58:01
Natalie Richards
No kidding.
00:58:02
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:58:03
Natalie Richards
No kidding.
00:58:04
Felicia Devine
Yeah, it's interesting. So listen to your gut.
00:58:05
Natalie Richards
It's just a crazy story. It's a crazy story. And thank you for sharing with the world, the world of people who listen to us.
00:58:12
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah. It's funny though. Cause I'm like, I was re listening to our last podcast, Natalie. And I was like, hopefully people aren't gross. I don't get grossed out by stuff, but I'm like, I was like graphically describing things.
00:58:22
Natalie Richards
No, I don't either. But yeah, it was like, ooh. I'm
00:58:25
Felicia Devine
And I'm like, that is disgusting.
00:58:28
Natalie Richards
sorry, everybody.
00:58:31
Felicia Devine
So if you listen to it and got grossed out, so sorry. i have no filter or like no shame
00:58:38
Natalie Richards
No, there's no like, no, there's no off limits topics in my mind.
00:58:39
Felicia Devine
When it comes to things, like I don't feel embarrassed about stories like that. Like I'm like, it happened. Like what's embarrassing?
00:58:46
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:58:47
Felicia Devine
But I realized that like that type of graphic description is not shared.
00:58:52
Natalie Richards
And some people are squeamish.
00:58:54
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Or like people just say, oh, I had miscarriage.
00:58:55
Natalie Richards
People don't talk about it. Right.
00:58:58
Felicia Devine
Okay. Well, let me be the first to tell you that it's the scariest thing ever.
00:59:00
Natalie Richards
Uh, no kidding.
00:59:04
Felicia Devine
And like highly graphic and like you should take work off.
00:59:07
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:59:08
Felicia Devine
Like probably take it off.
00:59:08
Natalie Richards
Yeah. Okay. Also, can we talk about something else too?
00:59:13
Felicia Devine
what
00:59:13
Natalie Richards
The the the DNC procedure in general, I was looking up, just I was just looking up, like, what are the recommendations post normal DNC?
00:59:16
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah.
00:59:22
Felicia Devine
Oh, I'll tell you what they are.
00:59:23
Natalie Richards
says, return to work within a day.
00:59:25
Felicia Devine
Within a day.
00:59:25
Natalie Richards
You'll be fine. You'll be fine.
00:59:27
Felicia Devine
no literally, they said, you should be fine to go to work Monday.
00:59:28
Natalie Richards
I'm like, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
00:59:30
Felicia Devine
I go, what?
00:59:33
Natalie Richards
Like, are you kidding me? You just had the... the Well, okay. We do have the lining of our uterus shed every month and we go about life as normal, but like you had literally like scraping procedure that you're just going to return to normal life within a day and that's fine.
00:59:40
Felicia Devine
No, but that was... That was Dyson vacuumed out.
00:59:52
Natalie Richards
Can you survive? Sure. but like the the bodily... the things that that does to your body, i don't think people, i don't think people realize that like there are energetic things that are going to you're going to be feeling for weeks and weeks and weeks after, like your body is healing from that.
01:00:00
Felicia Devine
Return to work.
01:00:10
Natalie Richards
Even, even if your period recycles and like you get your cycle again and everything seems to be good, like you're still recovering from that type of procedure.
01:00:10
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
01:00:21
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
01:00:22
Natalie Richards
So i
01:00:22
Felicia Devine
The return to play for these things are crazy. Like it should be longer.
01:00:25
Natalie Richards
it's insane.
01:00:26
Felicia Devine
um When I had my repair done in October when I was five months postpartum and I went in to have a repair done.
01:00:33
Natalie Richards
Yes.
01:00:33
Felicia Devine
of my tear.
01:00:34
Natalie Richards
Yes.
01:00:35
Felicia Devine
I got that repair done on a Friday. She knew exactly what I did for work. We were very vocal about it. I was like, I am a chiropractor.
01:00:40
Natalie Richards
Right.
01:00:41
Felicia Devine
I'm on my feet. I'm thrusting with my abdomen all day long.
01:00:44
Natalie Richards
Right.
01:00:44
Felicia Devine
Right. She told me Friday after the surgery, like after I was said and done and I came out cause like it ended up.
01:00:49
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm.
01:00:52
Natalie Richards
And she knew the extent of what she had to do.
01:00:53
Felicia Devine
Yeah. She goes, you can work Monday.
01:00:56
Natalie Richards
sorry.
01:00:57
Felicia Devine
I'm sorry. i was still on opioids on Monday.
01:00:58
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
01:01:00
Felicia Devine
I'm sorry. I couldn't walk on Monday.
01:01:02
Natalie Richards
like
01:01:03
Felicia Devine
But you can't lift your child. So Seppi was like 15. No, Seppi was like 17 pounds and you couldn't lift more than 10 or something. It was something like I couldn't lift Giuseppe for like over 10 days.
01:01:11
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
01:01:15
Felicia Devine
But they're like, yeah, you can go to work on Monday.
01:01:15
Natalie Richards
Right. You can go work. Whatever.
01:01:20
Felicia Devine
What?
01:01:21
Natalie Richards
ah God.
01:01:22
Felicia Devine
Maybe if I was a desk jockey fielding phone calls.
01:01:24
Natalie Richards
No kidding.
01:01:27
Felicia Devine
i I was like, okay, my PT reassessed me. It was like, you have to take three weeks off minimum. I ended up taking three weeks off.
01:01:34
Natalie Richards
Absolutely. Yeah.
01:01:36
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Minimum. And I still went back to work before I really should have.
01:01:38
Natalie Richards
Oh, my gosh.
01:01:41
Natalie Richards
Yeah. Before you really felt ready.
01:01:42
Felicia Devine
ah So I don't know what these return to play recommendations come from.
01:01:45
Natalie Richards
I don't know.
01:01:46
Felicia Devine
Probably a man.
01:01:47
Natalie Richards
Probably it's a man for sure. Who's never had it done to them.
01:01:50
Felicia Devine
Oh, I was just like, a day?
01:01:50
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
01:01:53
Felicia Devine
a day?
01:01:54
Natalie Richards
It's insane.
01:01:55
Felicia Devine
They're like, yeah, you'll be fine.
01:01:55
Natalie Richards
I know. Maybe because, yeah, there's no stitches with a DNC.
01:01:57
Felicia Devine
What?
01:01:59
Natalie Richards
i get it But like, what? Oh, also stands for dilation and curatage.
01:02:06
Felicia Devine
Curitage.
01:02:06
Natalie Richards
I said cerclage and I was like, it sounds like that.
01:02:06
Felicia Devine
I know. I was like, surclage is when you sew up your cervix.
01:02:11
Natalie Richards
Curatage.
01:02:12
Felicia Devine
Curitage. And then there's a D and E.
01:02:15
Natalie Richards
Yeah. DNE, which is dilation and evacuation.
01:02:17
Felicia Devine
Evacuation.
01:02:18
Natalie Richards
I'm pretty sure.
01:02:18
Felicia Devine
Okay. I know. Listening back to it I was like, I kind of sound like I'm all over the place because I probably was very scattered telling this story.
01:02:24
Natalie Richards
Well, you had a lot of ah lot of thoughts.
01:02:28
Felicia Devine
was like, I can't use all these big words.
01:02:28
Natalie Richards
You had a lot of thoughts.
01:02:30
Felicia Devine
And unfortunately, it was the first time I was really having to like learn about those things because A, I'm not in that profession.
01:02:37
Natalie Richards
Totally.
01:02:40
Felicia Devine
So like I have an excuse not to know the exact everything about a miscarriage, but I've also never experienced it.
01:02:45
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm.
01:02:47
Felicia Devine
So like I had to learn about it really quickly.
01:02:48
Natalie Richards
Yep. Yeah.
01:02:51
Felicia Devine
yeah.
01:02:51
Natalie Richards
And to really grasp the concept of what a molar pregnancy is too, is not in our, not in our wheelhouse.
01:02:53
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it was interesting. i was four centimeters dilated all on my own.
01:03:01
Natalie Richards
I know, but that's what happens in a miscarriage.
01:03:02
Felicia Devine
Man, because I was – yeah.
01:03:04
Natalie Richards
You will dilate to your body will dilate to however, however it needs to.
01:03:08
Felicia Devine
It needs to. Well, I guess because it wasn't coming out. It was like, well, maybe we need to be bigger.
01:03:11
Natalie Richards
Yeah. yeah
01:03:14
Felicia Devine
But I was like shocked. I was like four is a lot.
01:03:16
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
01:03:17
Felicia Devine
It kind of explains like – I was telling Dan. It was like it wasn't like mini contractions happening. Like here's a contraction. it was one long contraction.
01:03:27
Natalie Richards
her
01:03:27
Felicia Devine
The whole afternoon.
01:03:29
Natalie Richards
Oh.
01:03:29
Felicia Devine
It was like, i was, i would be like sitting on the toilet and like Natalie, my back pain was so bad. i couldn't even sit on the toilet. So I would have to get up because I'm like, I'm in so much pain with my back that I couldn't sit.
01:03:38
Natalie Richards
Oh.
01:03:42
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
01:03:43
Felicia Devine
It was so weird.
01:03:44
Natalie Richards
It's like the. Yeah, like that.
01:03:46
Felicia Devine
It was really odd, but it was, I think that was the contractions. It was just,
01:03:50
Natalie Richards
And I don't know if that also is normal for a a normal miscarriage.
01:03:54
Felicia Devine
I don't know what normal is anymore.
01:03:54
Natalie Richards
I'm not sure. I'm not sure.
01:03:56
Felicia Devine
I'm just an abnormal encyclopedia.
01:03:58
Natalie Richards
Apparently. Gosh darn it.
01:04:01
Felicia Devine
who So I'll just keep being abnormal.
01:04:03
Natalie Richards
No more. No more.
01:04:05
Felicia Devine
Like I said, if this is like, if you're going through a miscarriage or if if a miscarriage happens to find you, don't listen to what happened to me.
01:04:14
Natalie Richards
no because it's very different.
01:04:15
Felicia Devine
Seek out your own medical advice. Seek out your own like team.
01:04:17
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
01:04:19
Felicia Devine
Like don't just do what I did because I'm abnormal, but.
01:04:21
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm.
01:04:24
Felicia Devine
I will say it was helpful to like Google blog posts of people's experiences. So maybe if people fall onto our podcast and hear my experience, it'll give it a little less of the unknown.
01:04:29
Natalie Richards
Definitely.
01:04:36
Felicia Devine
i don't know.
01:04:37
Natalie Richards
definitely.
01:04:38
Felicia Devine
But thanks for listening to my story.
01:04:39
Natalie Richards
Oh, yes.
01:04:40
Felicia Devine
That's the last of it. We'll be done with this segment.
01:04:42
Natalie Richards
or
01:04:44
Felicia Devine
We'll go back to more laughs and giggles.
01:04:46
Natalie Richards
Yes, we will. We will.
01:04:47
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
01:04:47
Natalie Richards
It was good.
01:04:47
Felicia Devine
The next episode.
01:04:48
Natalie Richards
It was good to talk about it.
01:04:50
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
01:04:50
Natalie Richards
Good to let everybody know what the heck happened because it was oh crazy.
01:04:50
Felicia Devine
Yeah. And now we can close that chapter. And then,
01:04:54
Natalie Richards
Crazy.
01:04:55
Felicia Devine
I have, I always tell my patients this too, like if you don't fall pregnant one month, that just gives you another two, three weeks to like game plan how to be better, how to be a little 1% healthier, how to modify your lifestyle just a smidge so that when that pregnancy does land, it's just that much better.
01:05:02
Natalie Richards
Yes. Yes.
01:05:07
Natalie Richards
Yep. Yeah.
01:05:11
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
01:05:11
Felicia Devine
um
01:05:11
Natalie Richards
And now you have a year to do that.
01:05:13
Felicia Devine
Yeah. And now I have a year to like optimize so many things.
01:05:15
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
01:05:15
Felicia Devine
I'm like, that's a gift.
01:05:17
Natalie Richards
Yep. And let Giuseppe get a little bit older and maybe that was meant to be, you know, like there's just, there's a lot of pieces to it.
01:05:17
Felicia Devine
That's a true gift. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. There's so many gifts in it and I love the gift of opportunity.
01:05:25
Natalie Richards
Yep.
01:05:28
Felicia Devine
I really do.
01:05:28
Natalie Richards
Yep.
01:05:28
Felicia Devine
And so this is my chance to like pivot and make a little bit stronger foundation for this next pregnancy.
01:05:29
Natalie Richards
Yep.
01:05:36
Natalie Richards
That's right.
01:05:37
Felicia Devine
Yeah. So yay.
01:05:38
Natalie Richards
i love it. i love the thought process. It's great.
01:05:41
Felicia Devine
Well, thanks for hanging out with us.
01:05:43
Natalie Richards
It's been great.
01:05:44
Felicia Devine
Yeah. We'll see you next time. Bye.
01:05:45
Natalie Richards
Bye.