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S2.Ep5 - Hormone Cycle Red Flags: It's Trying To Tell You Something (and you can probably fix it)
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In this episode, we catch up on Natalie’s Banff fairytale (Instagram vs. reality, horse allergies included), January taking out an entire household with flu and GI chaos (yes, even the dog), babies learning to ski, and the shocking revelation that Kyle is… a literal rocket scientist. From there, we dive headfirst into astrology packets written at birth, Human Design revelations, and why the public school system fails kids who don’t fit the “average” box.
Then we get grounded (and crunchy) with a deep, practical conversation about fertility, hormones, and cycle health — the stuff most people are never actually taught. We break down basal body temperature tracking, ovulation timing, Oura Ring data, stress, illness, calorie deficits, and why your cycle is one of the most important indicators of overall health. We talk Vitex, seed cycling, liver health, male fertility (because yes, sperm matters), and why debilitating cramps, PMDD, and “just part of being a woman” narratives are not normal.
This episode is educational, validating, and very honest — equal parts catch-up, science, lived experience, and gentle rebellion against everything we were told to accept about our bodies.
Follow Felicia and Natalie on Instagram to see into their Functionally Feral lives @dr.feliciadevine and @dr.natalierichards
Find Vitex/Chaste Tree at Fullscript.com
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Transcript
Intro
Returning to Weekly Episodes
00:00:51
Felicia Devine
Good morning and welcome back to episode five.
00:00:53
Natalie Richards
Hi, Felicia.
00:00:54
Felicia Devine
hi Natalie.
00:00:56
Natalie Richards
We have a lot of amazing things to talk about today.
00:00:59
Felicia Devine
We do. We'll see how long it takes us.
00:01:01
Natalie Richards
no So we'll either try to get this all in in one episode or we may have to say, okay, part two.
00:01:09
Felicia Devine
We might need to go back to weekly updates.
00:01:11
Natalie Richards
Because I know, i'm if I can do it from my house, I can do weekly.
00:01:13
Felicia Devine
It's hard. Yeah. Okay.
00:01:16
Natalie Richards
That's fine.
00:01:16
Felicia Devine
We might need to go back to weekly because honestly, we have so much to talk about and so much has happened in the last two weeks.
00:01:18
Natalie Richards
We can do it. Mm-hmm. And truthfully, two weeks is really long.
00:01:25
Felicia Devine
It is.
00:01:26
Natalie Richards
And like without talking to you, I'm like, wait, I have so many things I have to tell you.
00:01:27
Felicia Devine
I'm like,
00:01:31
Felicia Devine
only one hour between two weeks to fill you in on everything. That's crazy.
00:01:36
Natalie Richards
like it's It's a lot.
00:01:36
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:01:37
Natalie Richards
So maybe we do just like, maybe we'll do this this week and we' do another one next week.
00:01:37
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:01:43
Felicia Devine
Perfect.
00:01:44
Natalie Richards
I'm fine with that.
00:01:44
Felicia Devine
I'm in.
00:01:45
Natalie Richards
Okay, fine.
00:01:45
Felicia Devine
i mean and we Well, I am going skiing, but I could always podcast from skiing.
00:01:48
Natalie Richards
Well, we'll see.
Skiing and Vermont Plans
00:01:50
Felicia Devine
Yeah, we're going up to Vermont. So no I'm excited.
00:01:52
Natalie Richards
How fun.
00:01:55
Natalie Richards
i want to come out there sometime and ski with you.
00:01:55
Felicia Devine
But yeah. Wait, when you come in March, should we go skiing?
00:02:01
Natalie Richards
Do you want to?
00:02:02
Felicia Devine
Maybe. I'll have to see the house is open, but yeah.
00:02:03
Natalie Richards
Let's do it. Okay. How fun. Yeah, I'd love that. Okay. so we have a lot, but like why don't we, let's catch up on, yeah.
00:02:09
Felicia Devine
All right.
00:02:12
Felicia Devine
Let's start with the good news. Let's start with the good news first.
00:02:15
Natalie Richards
Okay. Yeah.
00:02:15
Felicia Devine
How's BAM?
00:02:16
Natalie Richards
Banff was so good.
00:02:19
Felicia Devine
Because none of my news is good.
00:02:21
Natalie Richards
Banff was amazing. Like it was, I was sad we didn't ski because they had the most snow up there that they've had in the last 75 years, which is insane.
00:02:23
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:02:31
Felicia Devine
You didn't even bring them?
00:02:33
Natalie Richards
i didn't even bring them. I was like, you know what?
00:02:33
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:02:34
Natalie Richards
I just couldn't, I had, it is.
00:02:35
Felicia Devine
It's a lot of effort to go on a ski trip, to be honest with you.
00:02:38
Natalie Richards
And you know what? I had so many outfits that I already had to bring because of this dang skijoring thing.
00:02:40
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah.
00:02:44
Felicia Devine
Yeah, and then imagine packing boots and all your gear.
00:02:45
Natalie Richards
I just didn't have, i I know, I didn't have the the room or the the care.
00:02:49
Felicia Devine
Bandwidth, yeah.
00:02:51
Natalie Richards
I think it was really what it was. I don't know. And I was like, you know, i didn't for anything.
00:02:53
Felicia Devine
Well, and you also didn't know what to expect for, like, you know.
00:02:58
Natalie Richards
I'd never been there before.
00:02:58
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:02:59
Natalie Richards
i didn't scope it out. I didn't know what the mountains were like. I didn't, I just was like, you know what?
00:03:02
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
00:03:04
Natalie Richards
We'll go. We'll have a relaxing time.
00:03:06
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:03:07
Natalie Richards
And we really did. It was so good. So like, can you even
00:03:09
Felicia Devine
Your little journey through the forest on the sleigh, like, drug by beautiful horses.
00:03:17
Natalie Richards
Was that not the most picturesque, beautiful thing?
00:03:20
Felicia Devine
I was like, she's living a fairy tale.
Banff Trip Stories
00:03:23
Natalie Richards
Can I tell you something really funny though?
00:03:23
Felicia Devine
Kyle should re-propose to you. What?
00:03:28
Natalie Richards
In the background, i was almost dead from an allergic reaction. Like i was, yes.
00:03:34
Felicia Devine
From the horses? Oh, no.
00:03:37
Natalie Richards
Instagram versus reality.
00:03:39
Felicia Devine
You should have flipped that camera, Natalie.
00:03:41
Natalie Richards
should have.
00:03:41
Felicia Devine
What happened?
00:03:42
Natalie Richards
i would My eyes were like, I'm just so, I'm so allergic to horses.
00:03:44
Felicia Devine
Oh.
00:03:46
Natalie Richards
It's it's like a sad reality pretty much.
00:03:46
Felicia Devine
Oh. And it was just like wind blowing straight in your eye from the horse.
00:03:50
Natalie Richards
And we were like the first ones in this.
00:03:50
Felicia Devine
Oh, no.
00:03:52
Natalie Richards
I should have, I really wanted to be the first, but I should have taken the back. Yeah. And I know this about myself, but horses are my favorite thing in the world.
00:04:04
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:04:04
Natalie Richards
Like if i was not allergic, I would have horses.
00:04:05
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:04:08
Natalie Richards
And thank goodness, Kyle says, he's like, thank goodness you are allergic because-
00:04:09
Felicia Devine
I know you would. Right, you would be financially strapped to a lot of horses.
00:04:13
Natalie Richards
I don't want horses. o
00:04:17
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:04:18
Natalie Richards
So like this skidjoring situation was like the perfect event for me.
00:04:21
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:04:23
Natalie Richards
It was outfits.
00:04:23
Felicia Devine
Right, because you could watch horses.
00:04:25
Natalie Richards
I can watch horses and see the beauty of the horses.
00:04:30
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:04:30
Natalie Richards
And it was skiing and i could wear all my crazy outfits that i love to wear.
00:04:32
Felicia Devine
Yes.
00:04:35
Felicia Devine
Fashion.
00:04:36
Natalie Richards
It was like, I do.
00:04:36
Felicia Devine
Your pants were incredible. Do you own those?
00:04:39
Natalie Richards
I do.
00:04:40
Felicia Devine
Natalie, if you don't follow Natalie on Instagram, she posted this beautiful photo with for a fur coat and these beautiful cream horse pants.
00:04:42
Natalie Richards
i do
00:04:46
Natalie Richards
h
00:04:50
Natalie Richards
horse pants.
00:04:50
Felicia Devine
there were Is it like watercolor paintings on them?
00:04:52
Natalie Richards
They're kind of like a, what yeah, yeah. They're Wrangler.
00:04:55
Felicia Devine
It's beautiful.
00:04:56
Natalie Richards
i saw them I saw them months ago and I was like, those pants are insane.
00:04:59
Felicia Devine
Oh, they're perfect.
00:05:01
Natalie Richards
And then once I found out that I was going to this event, I was like, oh, okay.
00:05:01
Felicia Devine
Gorgeous.
00:05:05
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:05:06
Natalie Richards
And they were on sale when I went to go buy them.
00:05:07
Felicia Devine
Oh.
00:05:08
Natalie Richards
And I was like, oh
00:05:08
Felicia Devine
oh they were meant for you.
00:05:09
Natalie Richards
Well, isn't that meant to be? Also, so funny, kyle Well, I was telling Kyle the whole time because the exchange rate is really good for for like the American dollar versus the Canadian dollar.
00:05:11
Felicia Devine
A girl loves a sale.
00:05:21
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:05:21
Natalie Richards
So I was like, everything's 30% off. This whole trip is 30% off. The whole thing is on sale. It
00:05:28
Felicia Devine
Kyle's like, is that how girl math works?
00:05:30
Natalie Richards
was really
00:05:32
Felicia Devine
So was it affordable?
00:05:34
Natalie Richards
very
00:05:36
Felicia Devine
Oh, okay.
00:05:36
Natalie Richards
Extremely.
00:05:37
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:05:38
Natalie Richards
like Like, shockingly.
00:05:38
Felicia Devine
Should we go next year?
00:05:41
Natalie Richards
Yes, we should.
00:05:41
Felicia Devine
I love that.
00:05:42
Natalie Richards
We should.
00:05:42
Felicia Devine
Well, honestly, I shouldn't plan anything in January.
00:05:42
Natalie Richards
Also, you...
00:05:45
Felicia Devine
I am on timeout. January hates me.
00:05:51
Natalie Richards
January is not your month.
00:05:53
Felicia Devine
now my vitamin D levels tank by January and I'm just like, I'm going to get everything. Yeah.
00:05:59
Natalie Richards
Oh my gosh. No, we'll go some other time. Okay. We can't go to Skidjoring. don't think ever there because the first year or two years ago, they did it. They had like 11,000 people.
00:06:13
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:06:13
Natalie Richards
This year, they had 35,000 people in this teeny little town.
00:06:17
Felicia Devine
Oh, so it's just going to get even more out of control.
00:06:19
Natalie Richards
and And now social media is going to just like
00:06:22
Felicia Devine
It's like CrossFit.
00:06:24
Natalie Richards
It's bad. It's really bad. So i'd honestly, i don't think I don't think there would be any reason to go next year because it's going to be a disaster.
00:06:30
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Out of control.
00:06:32
Natalie Richards
So I'd go to Skidoring somewhere else, but not in Banff.
00:06:32
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:06:34
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:06:36
Natalie Richards
I'd go to Banff on a different weekend in the winter.
00:06:39
Felicia Devine
you know what we should do in the winter? Go to my aunt Judy's house. They do a sled dog race all around Lake Minnetonka and they come by my aunt Judy's house.
00:06:44
Natalie Richards
Yes. Yes. Done.
00:06:48
Felicia Devine
So they like go down to the lake and they like camp out.
00:06:49
Natalie Richards
Done.
00:06:52
Felicia Devine
Well, they don't camp out, but like, yes.
00:06:52
Natalie Richards
Kyle would... Kyle would die. Kyle would be like in heaven.
00:06:56
Felicia Devine
Wait, let's do that.
00:06:58
Natalie Richards
So I wanted to take him sled dogging, like dog sledding, sled dogging, dog sledding.
00:07:02
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Sled dog. You sled dog. this
00:07:08
Natalie Richards
I wanted to take him dog sledding up there. But between him and I and our snow gear, we can't go in one together.
00:07:15
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:07:17
Natalie Richards
Like we weigh too much.
00:07:21
Natalie Richards
and So you would have to do two separate.
00:07:21
Felicia Devine
So you would have to do two different.
00:07:23
Natalie Richards
And it's like $600 a piece to go do this thing.
00:07:25
Felicia Devine
Right. Right.
00:07:27
Natalie Richards
I go, I'm sorry,
00:07:27
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
Dog Sledding Dreams
00:07:28
Natalie Richards
Kyle.
00:07:28
Natalie Richards
It's not happening. We're not doing that this year. But he would love it.
00:07:32
Felicia Devine
like oh Wait, it sounds like it sounds like one of those things where I just like got Dan the driving experience and I watch from the sideline.
00:07:38
Natalie Richards
Right. I could have, it's just you.
00:07:40
Felicia Devine
Maybe you just get Kyle the the sled dogging experience and you just watch from the sideline.
00:07:42
Natalie Richards
This is just for you. I know. then I'd be so annoyed because I really want to do it.
00:07:46
Felicia Devine
You'd be so left out.
00:07:47
Natalie Richards
I know.
00:07:49
Natalie Richards
Someday we'll do it.
00:07:49
Felicia Devine
But yeah.
00:07:49
Natalie Richards
We'll find a place where they can do more dogs that can pull heavier people.
00:07:52
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Well, we should we should try and plan it around when they come to Minnesota at my Aunt Judy's house and then see if they do like tours or anything that week.
00:07:58
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:08:00
Natalie Richards
I'm sure they do. I'm sure they do. That would be so fun.
00:08:02
Felicia Devine
We could stay at Aunt Judy's house. Who doesn't love that?
00:08:04
Natalie Richards
How incredible would that whole thing be? Let's do it Okay.
00:08:08
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:08:08
Natalie Richards
We're going plan it. Okay.
00:08:09
Felicia Devine
All right. So,
00:08:10
Natalie Richards
Tell us about your sick January.
00:08:13
Felicia Devine
so okay. For those of you that don't know, last January, i got cellulitis.
00:08:20
Natalie Richards
That's right.
00:08:21
Felicia Devine
like massive, massive cellulose infection on my nose.
00:08:23
Natalie Richards
That's right.
00:08:26
Natalie Richards
That's right. Oh, god
00:08:27
Felicia Devine
And it was horrifying. And luckily i didn't die, but the nose is called the triangle of death.
00:08:34
Natalie Richards
Thank goodness.
00:08:38
Natalie Richards
Right. how Do you know how it happened?
00:08:39
Felicia Devine
and yeah, I'm a reckless, I'm a, I'm a bad girl.
00:08:43
Natalie Richards
You're reckless. oh You went potty. I'm so happy for you, Jean. Good job.
00:08:49
Felicia Devine
Jean's weekly update on the podcast is is pottying. The people love to hear it, Jean.
00:08:54
Natalie Richards
Yeah. Yeah. He's saying, I have to be quiet.
00:08:59
Natalie Richards
You're doing great, Jean. I love you. Oh, I have to be quiet.
00:09:04
Felicia Devine
Oh.
00:09:04
Natalie Richards
Oh, okay. i'll I'll whisper. Okay. We've turned into an ASMR podcast.
00:09:12
Natalie Richards
Okay. Anyway, so sorry.
00:09:13
Felicia Devine
gene So I, in the midst of moving, so it was the week I was moving, I came home from work, did like everything to like get set down, put set down for bed.
00:09:25
Felicia Devine
And then we were going to keep packing for the rest of the night until we went to bed. But i had this like little annoying white head on my nose. Like, I'm not kidding you, Natalie, a pinhead of a white head.
00:09:33
Natalie Richards
Sure. Oh
00:09:34
Felicia Devine
And I looked in the mirror, was like, ugh. So I like popped it. I was wearing makeup.
00:09:37
Natalie Richards
boy. Oh.
00:09:38
Felicia Devine
I had dirty hands and I had worked all day. And then for whatever reason, i don't, I've never done this. I put one of those like pimple patches on it with makeup on.
00:09:49
Natalie Richards
oh boy
00:09:49
Felicia Devine
It was bananas. I don't know what I was thinking. So then I go about the night packing and then it started to get really like warm feeling. So I took the patch off and it was like a red perfect circle. And I was like, oh, that's weird.
00:10:00
Felicia Devine
Maybe it was like expired.
00:10:02
Felicia Devine
So I went to bed that night, woke up the next day. it was like more red and inflamed. And I was like, oh, dang it. Like it's getting worse. Like it's a bad pimple. And over the course of the next 48 hours, I mean, my nose turned into an unidentified or unidentified object.
00:10:19
Natalie Richards
No.
00:10:20
Felicia Devine
It was not the right shape. It was so swollen. It felt like my nose bone was broken because of the pressure.
00:10:28
Natalie Richards
For sure.
00:10:28
Felicia Devine
it literally felt like out a facial fracture. I had, it was raging hot. It was glowing red. It was shiny. I mean, don't take antibiotics for anything and I took an antibiotic for this.
00:10:41
Natalie Richards
it was not good.
00:10:42
Felicia Devine
It was so bad.
00:10:43
Natalie Richards
And it was quick.
00:10:45
Felicia Devine
And it
January Illness Recollection
00:10:45
Felicia Devine
just progressively got worse. So it my nose was quite literally triple the size, as bright red as it comes.
00:10:46
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:10:52
Felicia Devine
It was just so scary. So I got that last January and then I healed from it. And a week later got the flu when we went to Vermont for our family vacation.
00:11:00
Natalie Richards
That's right. Mm-hmm.
00:11:01
Felicia Devine
i had the flu the whole week. I didn't ski one minute the whole vacation.
00:11:03
Natalie Richards
That's right.
00:11:04
Felicia Devine
Came home early. So that was last January. And then this January, again, the flu just gets me in January.
00:11:12
Felicia Devine
It loves to sneak up on me.
00:11:12
Natalie Richards
I think you like, yeah, it's when everybody else has already gotten it and you've been exposed and exposed and exposed and exposed.
00:11:16
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:11:19
Felicia Devine
Well, and that's the thing. We welcome sick children into our office because we know the impacts of like how much an adjustment can help the immune system, how much it can boost it, how much better a kid will feel, how like reduced their chances of getting an ear infection are.
00:11:34
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:11:35
Felicia Devine
like I am always saying, like yes, if you don't feel good, please still bring your kid.
00:11:38
Natalie Richards
Bring it second in. Yeah.
00:11:40
Felicia Devine
Well, then I'm face-to-face with a sick little body and I'm exposing myself time and time and time and time again.
00:11:44
Natalie Richards
You're right.
00:11:46
Felicia Devine
And usually it's okay.
00:11:47
Natalie Richards
Right. Right.
00:11:48
Felicia Devine
I usually have a great immune system.
00:11:49
Natalie Richards
Most of the time, most of the time we're good.
00:11:50
Felicia Devine
Yeah. But I just, we also don't sleep.
00:11:51
Natalie Richards
Uh-huh.
00:11:54
Felicia Devine
So I'm depleted.
00:11:55
Natalie Richards
Exactly.
00:11:56
Felicia Devine
So yeah.
00:11:56
Natalie Richards
That's where I was a year ago where I was just like, I'm getting sick all the time. I know I just don't have anything left.
00:12:00
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah. And it's just, it's frustrating.
00:12:03
Natalie Richards
And it just is what it is.
00:12:05
Felicia Devine
And i mean, i do all the things.
00:12:05
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:12:06
Felicia Devine
So I did my acillococinum.
00:12:08
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm.
00:12:10
Felicia Devine
That word is so hard for me to say.
00:12:11
Natalie Richards
That's how I say it. I don't know.
00:12:13
Natalie Richards
That's how I say it.
00:12:17
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm.
00:12:19
Felicia Devine
And then the GI stuff hit and it just absolutely wrecked me. I couldn't put anything in my body. I couldn't even sip on bone broth, which is crazy.
00:12:30
Felicia Devine
Cause that's like an easy peasy. Don't know what to do. Sip on bone broth, but I don't know where I heard this.
00:12:33
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:12:35
Felicia Devine
And it was years and years ago. It said, starve the flu, feed the head cold.
00:12:40
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:12:41
Felicia Devine
Is that correct?
00:12:44
Natalie Richards
Starve of starve a fever.
00:12:44
Felicia Devine
maybe start my fever.
00:12:45
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:12:48
Natalie Richards
Yeah. Starve of starve the flu slash fever. Yeah.
00:12:51
Felicia Devine
Oh, okay. Yeah. So I was just like, well, I mean, it is what it is. Like I'm not eating. I can't eat. I couldn't put anything in my body. but then it was like, I couldn't even consume water because things were coming in and out of me like faster than you could imagine.
00:12:57
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm.
00:13:03
Natalie Richards
o
00:13:05
Felicia Devine
so then I was just super depleted. but but We survived. And then, so then I'm over it.
00:13:12
Natalie Richards
Yikes.
00:13:14
Felicia Devine
So Giuseppe ended up getting just the lower part of the GI issue. He doesn't have any other symptoms. You would never know. He's still bouncing in the bounce house right now. Like kids are so resilient.
00:13:23
Natalie Richards
that Because that's like kids. Classic.
00:13:26
Felicia Devine
And also he's he's breastfeeding.
00:13:26
Natalie Richards
Classic.
00:13:28
Felicia Devine
So he has every immune system, like antibody I've ever produced in the past seven days, just like coursing through his veins.
00:13:28
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:13:35
Felicia Devine
I'm like, of course.
00:13:35
Natalie Richards
oh
00:13:36
Felicia Devine
But then my puppy got it. because she, no literally she started vomiting and we're like, what is going on here?
00:13:41
Natalie Richards
That's so wild to me.
00:13:46
Felicia Devine
And then I Googled it. Cause I'm like, this sounds suspiciously like she has like a bug and it says that dogs can contract the norovirus from humans through cross-contamination.
00:13:52
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:13:57
Natalie Richards
That's so crazy.
00:13:58
Felicia Devine
And she's known to lick a potty, you know, that girl has a little dirty mouth.
00:14:02
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. okay
00:14:06
Felicia Devine
She's a dirty girl.
00:14:07
Natalie Richards
as our dogs do as well it's disgusting oh no i don't know what else you do
00:14:08
Felicia Devine
she's been She's licking a potty. So I wouldn't be surprised. So between the two of them, we've been injecting them with charcoal. we have liquid charcoal and that seems to be helping.
00:14:21
Felicia Devine
And then we're doing red light therapy, loom box on their bellies.
00:14:24
Natalie Richards
yeah yeah yeah actually you could give her silver too
00:14:26
Felicia Devine
Sep is fine. He just has like loose stool. Josephine, she's the sickest.
00:14:34
Felicia Devine
Okay. I did silver when she had a when she had pink eye like years ago and that cured it.
00:14:35
Natalie Richards
You can give dogs colloidal silver. Uh-huh. That one, I mean, that's,
00:14:39
Felicia Devine
And because the vet was like, yeah, we can see you in six days. I'm like, she'll either be blind or, you know, it's over.
00:14:42
Natalie Richards
oh my God. Yes, either one.
00:14:45
Felicia Devine
So
00:14:47
Natalie Richards
I'll take care of it myself. Thank you.
00:14:48
Felicia Devine
yeah, I'll just shoot silver in her eye and use red light therapy. And she was cured.
00:14:52
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:14:53
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:14:54
Felicia Devine
But yeah, anyway, so she's the sickest of them all and we're nursing her back to health.
00:14:58
Natalie Richards
Sweet girl. Her immune system is a little rough sometimes too.
00:14:59
Felicia Devine
But what her GI system...
00:15:02
Natalie Richards
Yeah, and she's she's had a rough beginning.
00:15:03
Felicia Devine
The girl's fragile.
00:15:05
Natalie Richards
a
00:15:05
Felicia Devine
So anyway, we're just trying to keep Dan healthy because we're getting like 12 to 19 inches of snow today.
00:15:09
Natalie Richards
oh boy.
00:15:15
Felicia Devine
I'm not trying to be out there shoveling snow.
00:15:15
Natalie Richards
you're getting what? Yeah, you're getting like the polar vortex tail end that everybody else has gotten the past couple days.
00:15:19
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah.
00:15:23
Felicia Devine
Yep. So anyway, we're going on our annual ski trip in about four or five days, and I'm not going have the flu because I just had it.
00:15:23
Natalie Richards
How exciting.
00:15:29
Natalie Richards
Wow.
00:15:31
Felicia Devine
So I'm excited.
00:15:32
Natalie Richards
No, which is actually a blessing.
00:15:33
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:15:33
Natalie Richards
That's great. And you'll maybe get to ski.
00:15:34
Felicia Devine
Yeah. So I just got it out of the way.
00:15:35
Natalie Richards
Uh-huh. Are you going to put Seppi on skis?
00:15:37
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Oh yeah. He already started skiing. Did I send you the video?
00:15:42
Natalie Richards
Oh, good. No.
00:15:44
Felicia Devine
I don't think I sent it to you.
00:15:44
Natalie Richards
Oh, baby.
00:15:45
Felicia Devine
so Danny ordered him boots and skis a while ago and they showed up when he was napping, I think on Tuesday. So when he got up from his nap, he had a fresh like set of skis waiting for him.
00:15:57
Natalie Richards
Sweet baby.
00:15:58
Felicia Devine
Obsessed. We were skiing inside on the carpet.
00:15:59
Natalie Richards
so we baby Yes. I mean, that's what you have to do.
00:16:02
Felicia Devine
then when Dan got home from work, he was skiing in the backyard and was obsessed with it.
00:16:07
Natalie Richards
He's going to love it.
00:16:07
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:16:08
Natalie Richards
I mean, he's going to just never want to stop.
00:16:11
Felicia Devine
So we might ski today when the snow stops and he wakes up from his nap.
00:16:14
Natalie Richards
Oh, so cute.
00:16:14
Felicia Devine
And then we're going to ski up in Vermont.
00:16:18
Natalie Richards
I love a baby on skis.
00:16:20
Felicia Devine
I know. And he did good.
00:16:21
Natalie Richards
I love it.
00:16:21
Felicia Devine
He kept his feet together. like he was like it was like parallel skiing.
00:16:23
Natalie Richards
Amazing. Amazing. amazing.
00:16:27
Felicia Devine
and now so
00:16:28
Natalie Richards
it They just do so well. The little, little itty bitties, they do so well.
00:16:30
Felicia Devine
I know. Yeah. Yeah. And he just loves an activity.
00:16:35
Natalie Richards
I know he does.
00:16:35
Felicia Devine
He, he loves a motor skill.
00:16:38
Natalie Richards
he does. He does.
00:16:41
Felicia Devine
He's like, Oh, gross motor, fine motor.
00:16:42
Natalie Richards
He's so good with that.
00:16:43
Felicia Devine
Sign me up.
00:16:44
Natalie Richards
Oh my gosh.
00:16:45
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:16:45
Natalie Richards
That's so cute.
00:16:47
Felicia Devine
yeah
00:16:47
Natalie Richards
Oh, that's so good. Well, you guys will all be rearing and ready to go.
00:16:48
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:16:51
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:16:52
Natalie Richards
And Dan's probably already technically had it and he just didn't have any symptoms.
00:16:52
Felicia Devine
So we'll be good. Yeah.
00:16:55
Natalie Richards
So what else?
00:16:55
Felicia Devine
Yeah. And he's had a gurgly belly, but he's like fine because he's like a man of steel.
00:16:58
Natalie Richards
He's fine because he's Dan, right?
00:17:00
Felicia Devine
He's my anchor.
00:17:02
Natalie Richards
Because he's Dan.
00:17:04
Felicia Devine
Speaking of Dan, did you see I posted yesterday?
00:17:06
Natalie Richards
What? What?
00:17:07
Felicia Devine
okay you If you're a listener and you don't follow Natalie and a I on Instagram, you've got to follow us.
Astrological Insights
00:17:13
Natalie Richards
You're going to have to because it's entertaining.
00:17:13
Felicia Devine
Okay. You're going to have We're going leave our handles in the show notes. So my mom came for Christmas and she gave me a packet
00:17:23
Natalie Richards
Yes.
00:17:23
Felicia Devine
a 30 plus page packet of my whole life written in the stars, essentially from the day I was born.
00:17:23
Natalie Richards
Okay. Yes.
00:17:28
Natalie Richards
Yes. I'm so glad you brought this up because I wanted to talk about this.
00:17:32
Felicia Devine
And in the portion that talks about relationships and like love, it literally says that I'm going to meet my partner, love at first sight.
00:17:43
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:17:44
Felicia Devine
And that is exactly how I've always described Danny and I's meeting.
00:17:47
Natalie Richards
Isn't that crazy?
00:17:49
Felicia Devine
I couldn't believe it.
00:17:49
Natalie Richards
Wait. Okay. Did she get this for you recently or was this something she's had since you were born?
00:17:53
Felicia Devine
No, literally. It's like the the pages are literally printed like the day I was born.
00:17:59
Natalie Richards
Oh my God.
00:18:00
Felicia Devine
It's like ancient, like I'm peeling it apart and the ink is sticking because it's like still, like it was ink back in the day when it was like almost 3D.
00:18:04
Natalie Richards
That's so cool.
00:18:08
Felicia Devine
It's not like laser ink today where it's like, it's so beautiful.
00:18:08
Natalie Richards
Oh my gosh. From what it looked like, it looked like it's kind of like a human design reading sort of.
00:18:15
Felicia Devine
Kind of.
00:18:15
Natalie Richards
Have you ever done human design where it like brings in astrology and brings in like all this other stuff to like give you – it's like what do we do with this?
00:18:17
Felicia Devine
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. But there's like charts on there that i I'm like, I've never even seen this.
00:18:25
Natalie Richards
That's cool.
00:18:25
Felicia Devine
Yeah. It's so cool. So I've been kind of like trying to digest it, but I don't know anything, anything about astrology.
00:18:33
Natalie Richards
I know I don't either.
00:18:33
Felicia Devine
It's like Aries rising, Gemini waxing, lunar moon, this.
00:18:37
Natalie Richards
i don't know anything about it.
00:18:38
Felicia Devine
I'm like, so if you're a listener and you know anything about ge what i was going to call it geology, that's rocks.
00:18:44
Natalie Richards
And geology and astrology.
00:18:44
Felicia Devine
What's it called? Astrology. Let me know. But Dan and I have always intertwined the stars and like that kind of thing in
Astrology and Human Design
00:18:56
Felicia Devine
our lives.
00:18:56
Felicia Devine
Like our wedding song is falling like the stars. Our son's middle name is a star. Like we just love that stuff, but I don't know anything as far as astrology goes in the sense of predicting your life.
00:19:05
Natalie Richards
Love it.
00:19:08
Natalie Richards
Right. like reading and analyzing and all of that stuff.
00:19:11
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah.
00:19:12
Natalie Richards
You need somebody to like guide you through it, I think.
00:19:13
Felicia Devine
So yeah. What's your human design?
00:19:18
Natalie Richards
My human design is manifesting generator.
00:19:20
Felicia Devine
I am too.
00:19:21
Natalie Richards
Yeah. i I figured you were. You kind of like know what people are based on.
00:19:23
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Right. i' like I'm not a reflector.
00:19:27
Natalie Richards
But okay, wait let me get let me grab something from this on it really quick. Hold on.
00:19:31
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:19:32
Natalie Richards
It's called like, have you seen like the book about you? Have you seen those things?
00:19:36
Felicia Devine
Is that what it's called?
00:19:37
Natalie Richards
Where it's basically like it's a book that you can order based on your human design chart and it analyzes all of it and tells you what it all means.
00:19:42
Felicia Devine
Oh.
00:19:44
Natalie Richards
Because like, have you ever looked at a human design chart where it has like all of the little things and you just like, it's so complicated that you can't even begin.
00:19:45
Felicia Devine
Oh.
00:19:47
Felicia Devine
Yeah. we We did a workshop once. Yeah. It is so complicated. it it looks like the manuscript for like an engine.
00:19:55
Natalie Richards
So complicated.
00:19:59
Natalie Richards
it Yes, it it it that's exactly what it looks like.
00:20:00
Felicia Devine
its Okay.
00:20:01
Natalie Richards
Okay, let me grab it. Hold on. Oh
00:20:15
Natalie Richards
boy.
00:20:17
Natalie Richards
So.
00:20:20
Natalie Richards
can get myself set up again. It says the book about Natalie.
00:20:25
Felicia Devine
What?
00:20:26
Natalie Richards
but So you order it. you like You go to this website and you put in your birthday and your birthplace and all the same same things that like in time.
00:20:29
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:20:33
Felicia Devine
In time. Yeah.
00:20:36
Natalie Richards
And it spits out your human design analysis and then they send you a book of it. So like each section, let's just see here.
00:20:47
Felicia Devine
Wait, I should do that about Giuseppe too.
00:20:48
Natalie Richards
It has my chart in it. So like that's my my human design chart.
00:20:50
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Oh my gosh, you have so many...
00:20:52
Natalie Richards
That's what it looks like for anybody looking. So many colored areas, which is so funny.
00:20:57
Felicia Devine
Yes, I heard that's a good thing, because I do too.
00:20:59
Natalie Richards
I don't know if it's a good, I think it's a good thing. Manifesting generator, strategy to respond, like all these things you can look up, you can go on ChatGPT and it'll tell you some of it.
00:21:10
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:21:11
Natalie Richards
But to have it analyze it is really cool because like that usually requires somebody sitting down with you and actually like giving you a reading.
00:21:18
Felicia Devine
then Yeah.
00:21:21
Natalie Richards
A reading. It's poorly. I don't even know what things they use to create this. Some of it's astrology, but a lot of it is not.
00:21:28
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:21:29
Natalie Richards
a lot of it is just like, yeah.
00:21:31
Felicia Devine
There's so many things like this too, like the birth order books. Yeah. Yeah.
00:21:37
Natalie Richards
So me find like, The manifesting generator in general is like you can create energy.
00:21:49
Natalie Richards
You don't require gathering energy from somebody else, but you can deplete it.
00:21:52
Felicia Devine
yeah
00:21:55
Natalie Richards
And you have to be careful about like what what things you do in your life that are going to deplete that energy.
00:21:58
Felicia Devine
Right.
00:22:03
Natalie Richards
So it gives you like different things you can do to like how to live your life in terms of –
00:22:10
Felicia Devine
The girl we did the workshop from cured like chronic autoimmune issues by living in her human design.
00:22:11
Natalie Richards
in
00:22:16
Natalie Richards
Oh, I believe it. i believe that.
00:22:18
Felicia Devine
Cause she was depleting herself so, so much that when she learned about human design and started living in alignment with like what her, I guess, body type, what is it?
00:22:23
Natalie Richards
Yep.
00:22:28
Felicia Devine
Chronotype body type. I don't even know what you call it.
00:22:31
Natalie Richards
e It's your, yeah I don't know.
00:22:33
Felicia Devine
Human type, I guess living in alignment creates a lot more ease and function.
00:22:39
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:22:40
Felicia Devine
I think human design is really cool, but i like you said, like you almost need someone to to translate.
00:22:40
Natalie Richards
Cause like certain, it's so complicated. But that's what this does essentially.
00:22:48
Felicia Devine
I to stop showing my pants on this podcast.
00:22:50
Natalie Richards
so Because your pants are chaos.
00:22:50
Felicia Devine
I look a atrocious. I am wearing pajama pants.
00:22:54
Natalie Richards
So it says like it'll go through like gate one, gate two, gate eight, gate 12.
00:22:55
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:23:00
Natalie Richards
Like these are your gifts of your life.
00:23:03
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:23:04
Natalie Richards
And it then explains what that means and then how to – align yourself with that, with your gifts that you've been given.
00:23:11
Felicia Devine
Okay, I'm gonna order one for Dan, Giuseppe, and I.
00:23:14
Natalie Richards
it's like really cool. And just, yeah, you should get one.
00:23:17
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:23:17
Natalie Richards
like And then it helps you understand the people you're with a little bit better how, yeah, like how is your child going to learn things and how is your child going to be best going through their life?
00:23:19
Felicia Devine
Your child. think
00:23:30
Felicia Devine
Right, and like their gifts and how do you honor those gifts and support them?
00:23:31
Natalie Richards
So, right. Right.
00:23:36
Felicia Devine
Did you ever do StrengthsFinder?
00:23:36
Natalie Richards
So it's very cool. At some point I think I have. Yeah.
00:23:41
Felicia Devine
Yeah. And it's basically the concept of like, you need to nurture and foster your strengths and not focus so much on the weaknesses. And like, you don't want to be like super average at everything because you've been focusing so much on your weaknesses.
00:23:50
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:23:53
Natalie Richards
No.
00:23:55
Felicia Devine
So it's like, your weaknesses are okay, but be really, really good with the strengths that you have.
00:23:55
Natalie Richards
Which is the, the, mm-hmm.
00:24:03
Natalie Richards
Yeah, which is the premise of homeschooling and like and homeschooling your kid and focusing, yes, putting some attention on everything, but like putting most of the focus on on their strengths.
00:24:03
Felicia Devine
And it sounds like human design is similar. Right. Mm-hmm. then
00:24:15
Felicia Devine
their strengths.
00:24:17
Felicia Devine
I had that conversation with a patient yesterday. He was in with his kids and he his kid came over and was so sweet. He literally made his dad this Valentine.
00:24:17
Natalie Richards
It's so cool.
00:24:28
Felicia Devine
He's like, daddy, this is for you. I love you so much. And he walked away and I was like, oh my gosh, your son is just adorable and so sweet.
00:24:30
Natalie Richards
yeah.
00:24:34
Felicia Devine
He goes, he's sour patch kid. I go, what do you mean? He's like, we have a principal meeting on Monday because he gets in trouble at school. And I said, uh-oh.
00:24:42
Natalie Richards
Yeah, that would be Jean. Mm-hmm.
00:24:43
Felicia Devine
Yeah, because the public school system is designed for the very, very most basic average kid.
00:24:45
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm.
00:24:52
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:24:52
Felicia Devine
I survived public school because I'm so average in academia and average in behavior.
00:24:58
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:24:58
Felicia Devine
Like I wasn't getting in trouble a ton, but I also wasn't like failing school. So I was just like, I did really well in public school.
00:25:03
Natalie Richards
Right. You can be the box and it's okay.
00:25:06
Felicia Devine
Yeah. But if you're gifted or if you're struggling, there is no room for that.
00:25:08
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:25:12
Felicia Devine
And they just push you along either direction.
00:25:13
Natalie Richards
No.
00:25:14
Felicia Devine
So if you're gifted, there's not enough support for you to be challenged.
00:25:15
Natalie Richards
Right.
Kyle's Hidden Talents
00:25:18
Felicia Devine
If you're struggling along, they just push you straight through the whole no child, but fine thing.
00:25:21
Natalie Richards
Yep.
00:25:22
Felicia Devine
And it's really sad because honestly, there's not a lot of average kids anymore.
00:25:23
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm.
00:25:27
Natalie Richards
No. No, I'd say you tend to be on either end of the spectrum and that is okay.
00:25:32
Felicia Devine
Yes. Yes. You're either gifted or you're struggling.
00:25:35
Natalie Richards
That really is okay.
00:25:36
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:25:37
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm.
00:25:38
Felicia Devine
So i don't know.
00:25:38
Natalie Richards
Kyle had a huge problem in school because he – yeah, like when he turned – when he was 16, he basically went – they like kind of forced him to go into like a trade program in high school because he just like –
00:25:40
Felicia Devine
Did he?
00:25:51
Felicia Devine
Struggled academically.
00:25:53
Natalie Richards
he was so smart. Like he wasn't pushed enough in math and sciences. And then like English, he just didn't care. so like he hated his teacher, or hated all this.
00:26:03
Natalie Richards
So he just didn't do well and he didn't try. and then,
00:26:06
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:26:07
Natalie Richards
and So he had to go into like a, I forget what they called it, a vocational school program to like go learn to be a mechanic.
00:26:12
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah.
00:26:15
Felicia Devine
That's crazy.
00:26:16
Natalie Richards
But he was, he was so smart and he was on like the math team, like the, the traveling math team.
00:26:20
Felicia Devine
Oh.
00:26:22
Natalie Richards
And he would like, was doing physics at freshman year and like all this stuff. Like he was so smart that he just couldn't actually be pushed enough.
00:26:27
Felicia Devine
Oh my gosh, Kyle.
00:26:30
Felicia Devine
He wasn't supported in that yeah in that setting.
00:26:32
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm. So then it's like, okay, yeah, that kid needs to go to vocational school. What?
00:26:37
Felicia Devine
Right, right, right.
00:26:38
Natalie Richards
So crazy. And now, I mean, he's an aerospace, he's he's a, e what do you call it?
00:26:40
Felicia Devine
I mean, he's wildly successful.
00:26:46
Natalie Richards
Aerospace engineer? is that what he is? He's a rocket scientist.
00:26:50
Felicia Devine
Who is?
00:26:50
Natalie Richards
That's what Kyle's that's what kyle's degree is in.
00:26:53
Felicia Devine
What?
00:26:54
Natalie Richards
Aerospace engineering. Yeah.
00:26:57
Felicia Devine
I did not know that. What?
00:27:01
Natalie Richards
He literally has an aerospace engineering degree because he's so smart.
00:27:06
Felicia Devine
Natalie.
00:27:08
Felicia Devine
What?
00:27:11
Natalie Richards
And he had his first, you didn't know that?
00:27:11
Felicia Devine
What? I had no idea about that.
00:27:15
Natalie Richards
No, this man is like, is it actual, he's it actually a genius.
00:27:16
Felicia Devine
You're joking.
00:27:19
Natalie Richards
he The way he can do math is on a different level. Like his his brain actually functions at a different, it's insane.
00:27:25
Felicia Devine
He's like Mensa.
00:27:30
Natalie Richards
But he did his first internship and he goes, he goes he goes my first internship in aerospace engineering was was gluing foil onto a satellite.
00:27:31
Felicia Devine
Natalie, why did I not even know he had a college degree?
00:27:40
Natalie Richards
And he goes, I can't do this anymore. so he yeah So he did all his whole degree while he was in the military. So he started he went into the Army.
00:27:50
Felicia Devine
In my head, he just enlisted.
00:27:52
Natalie Richards
Yeah, he he did. And then he just spent his whole time using the GI Bill to go get his education at all different
00:27:56
Felicia Devine
Getting his education in.
00:27:59
Natalie Richards
So he went to like a few different universities. that'
00:28:05
Felicia Devine
Okay, screw Gator being our mascot. Kyle is our freaking podcast mascot.
00:28:09
Natalie Richards
While Kyle's like a special forces like operator, this guy, he he was doing like radio.
00:28:14
Felicia Devine
Okay, Kyle is a secret weapon.
00:28:17
Natalie Richards
he When he was in the military, he did something with radios where he he was able to figure out how to get how did get radio communication off of satellites or something. And he like did the math to see how quick how quick like the the sound waves bounce off of each satellite and you just he's like, yeah, you just do the math and then you figure out how how to get radio communication off of satellites. And I'm like,
00:28:46
Natalie Richards
happened
00:28:48
Felicia Devine
Okay, we clearly are not having the right conversations were and when we're in the same room with Kyle because I did not know any of this. I've known Kyle for how many years?
00:28:56
Natalie Richards
He doesn't talk about it. he doesn't talk about it.
00:28:59
Felicia Devine
Why?
00:28:59
Natalie Richards
Unless you prompt.
00:28:59
Felicia Devine
yeah
00:29:00
Natalie Richards
Unless you prompt. Because he just like stays in his lane.
00:29:02
Felicia Devine
Dan's mind is going to be blown unless Dan knows this.
00:29:04
Natalie Richards
he's like i'm just He's like, I'm just a dumb cop. I'm just a dumb cop. Like, no, you're not.
00:29:08
Felicia Devine
No. No, no. He's a genius. Maybe Dan does know this. I can't wait to share.
00:29:14
Natalie Richards
I don't know. know.
00:29:16
Felicia Devine
Okay, Dan's going be blown away.
00:29:17
Natalie Richards
So honestly, he's an actual, like somewhat of a genius, but he doesn't know how to apply it, but that's okay.
00:29:20
Felicia Devine
Genius. Yeah.
00:29:25
Natalie Richards
He doesn't have to because he loves not applying it.
00:29:26
Felicia Devine
No. Yeah. And like, it's great to be a secret weapon because who knows when you're going to need to apply it when there's an apocalypse and Kyle needs to get us radio waves.
00:29:29
Natalie Richards
So. Right. Exactly. Exactly. literally, like Kyle can do i can do it anything.
00:29:38
Felicia Devine
Like that's fine.
00:29:43
Natalie Richards
And i I know that for a fact.
00:29:43
Felicia Devine
Wow. I can't wait to bunker down with you guys. Okay, this podcast has not gone in the direction that we thought it would be headed.
00:29:51
Natalie Richards
Cut off the rails. Cut off the rails.
00:29:54
Felicia Devine
So let's get on track.
Fertility Discussions
00:29:57
Natalie Richards
Okay. So we have a lot to talk about with fertility.
00:30:01
Felicia Devine
After we've already talked about a lot.
00:30:01
Natalie Richards
its stuff that We never have anything to talk about. So few things as I was listening to our last episode, I was thinking and I was writing down notes and I go, okay, we need to talk about, i was giggling too.
00:30:08
Felicia Devine
Yes, I was giggling.
00:30:12
Natalie Richards
I always giggle.
00:30:13
Felicia Devine
I love listening back to our podcasters.
00:30:17
Natalie Richards
We need to definitely address a few things just about like how to track certain things. Like, what are you looking for?
00:30:27
Natalie Richards
We need to address, you can Google this stuff too.
00:30:27
Felicia Devine
man
00:30:32
Natalie Richards
Like there's a lot of things that you can look up in terms of like, what does a normal cycle look like? You don't need to listen to us, but,
00:30:38
Felicia Devine
Great. Yeah. But like, this is our little like, uh, cliff notes version.
00:30:44
Natalie Richards
Yes. Our cliff notes version. We could probably talk about an hour about any one of these topics, but we're just going to like breeze through like a practical application of like, if your cycle looks like this, you can do this.
00:30:45
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:30:52
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:30:56
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:30:57
Felicia Devine
Do you want to start? Let's start with the basilar body temperature. Because lot of people have maybe heard of it, don't know how to track it or what a normal tracking looks like or why it's important.
00:31:01
Natalie Richards
let's do that.
00:31:04
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:31:07
Natalie Richards
Yep. Yep.
00:31:10
Natalie Richards
Yeah. So we talked last time about how your cycle should be somewhere around like 28, 29, 30, maybe 31 days.
00:31:11
Felicia Devine
So...
00:31:19
Natalie Richards
If you're getting on the outskirts of that, maybe it's just like an indicator, like a little twinge in your mind where you're like, maybe something isn't perfect. So during those, let's just for ease say 30 days,
00:31:34
Felicia Devine
Okay. Yeah. We'll use 30 because it's easy to split the timeline.
00:31:37
Natalie Richards
It's easy math. right
00:31:38
Felicia Devine
We like easy math because we're not Kyle.
00:31:41
Natalie Richards
We're not Kyle. So I need the easiest math.
00:31:45
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:31:46
Natalie Richards
So we'll say 30 days. Within those 30 days, there's a lot of ups and downs happening. There's so many different hormones that are part of this whole cascade of this whole cycle of the the female cycle.
00:31:59
Natalie Richards
And
00:31:59
Felicia Devine
then
00:32:01
Natalie Richards
as these changes and these waves are happening in your hormones. There's different symptoms that your body's going to have.
00:32:09
Felicia Devine
Yes.
00:32:09
Natalie Richards
We talked a little bit about the cervical mucus. So as you start to become more fertile towards that day 15, your cervical mucus is going going to look like fertile mucus. You can look up pictures of this online too, in terms of what it actually is supposed to look like.
00:32:20
Felicia Devine
Yes.
00:32:24
Natalie Richards
As that's happening, you're also going to be having body temperature changes. So why don't you explain a little bit about the body temperature in terms, because you were posting some stuff about this.
00:32:34
Felicia Devine
The body temperature. Yes.
00:32:36
Natalie Richards
This is why you would have an aura ring. This is why you would use natural cycles.
00:32:39
Felicia Devine
Yes.
00:32:40
Natalie Richards
This is why you'd have a basal body body thermometer next to your bed.
00:32:45
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:32:46
Natalie Richards
You can do this a lot of different ways.
00:32:46
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:32:48
Natalie Richards
It's a little impractical to have to do it the old fashioned way.
00:32:50
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah. So doing it, so tracking your temperature is a way of tracking fertility and like the hormone surges, like Natalie said, but doing it correctly is extremely, extremely important because we're talking about like 0.1, 0.2, 0.3 degree changes.
00:32:52
Natalie Richards
Let's just say that.
00:33:09
Felicia Devine
And so very small.
00:33:12
Felicia Devine
Yeah, very small changes in temperature. So it's not just like, oh, I have like a 98 degree body or 100 degree body. Like we're talking about like 98.6 versus 98.4 98.5. Like those little minute changes actually do matter. And so...
00:33:29
Felicia Devine
what In order to get a very accurate basilar body temperature reading, it has to be taken at essentially the same time every morning, exactly right when you wake up.
00:33:40
Felicia Devine
And you should be waking up at exactly the same time every day if you're taking it the old-fashioned way.
00:33:45
Natalie Richards
the old Yeah, the old-fashioned way that's required.
00:33:45
Felicia Devine
So like if you start tracking your basilar body temperature the old fashioned way with a thermometer thermometer under your tongue, you should be waking up at 7am every single day taking it the second you wake up, you don't put water in your mouth, you don't brush your teeth, you don't you don't get out of bed.
00:33:56
Natalie Richards
Mm-mm. You don't even get out of bed. You actually can't even get out of the laying down position.
00:34:02
Felicia Devine
Yes.
00:34:02
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm.
00:34:02
Felicia Devine
Yes. So most people strap it to their alarm clock. And this is before Oura Ring was more popular or like Natural Cycles has, I think there's even like a wearable monitor now that you put on your arm at night.
00:34:08
Natalie Richards
Yeah. Yeah.
00:34:13
Natalie Richards
There's a few different things. There's a wrist one you can wear.
00:34:16
Felicia Devine
There's a wrist one.
00:34:16
Natalie Richards
Yeah. Yeah.
00:34:18
Felicia Devine
So essentially you want to get a early morning read of your base body temperature, essentially what it is.
00:34:25
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:34:27
Felicia Devine
at the start of your cycle, so day one, you should see a body temperature drop. So that's the sign that you're like starting your cycle.
00:34:36
Felicia Devine
Essentially like that's why your aura ring or natural cycles can predict your onset of your period is because it's tracking your temperature,
00:34:42
Natalie Richards
yep
00:34:45
Felicia Devine
changes and fluctuations. And it's going to predict like when you have that temp drop, it's going to say like, expect your period today.
00:34:51
Natalie Richards
Yep.
00:34:51
Felicia Devine
And so it's picking up that initial drop in temperature, which is going to indicate that you're not fertile.
00:34:51
Natalie Richards
Yep.
00:34:58
Felicia Devine
You didn't implant an egg and your body's going to go back through that follicular cycle, build up that uterine lining again and start the whole process over.
00:35:09
Felicia Devine
Now in that first like year follicular phase window, your body temperature is going to hover in like the the lower temps. So you're going be on that lower side, maybe negative 0.1, negative 0.2.
00:35:22
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:35:24
Felicia Devine
Those are, yeah, on Oura Ring or baseline.
00:35:24
Natalie Richards
On Oura Ring. Yeah. You're going to be kind of in like 98.6.
00:35:30
Felicia Devine
Yeah, yeah.
00:35:30
Natalie Richards
You're going to be like pretty consistent in the lows.
00:35:33
Felicia Devine
Consistent in the lows.
00:35:35
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:35:35
Felicia Devine
For your normal. And that's why these rings and these indicators are so important to track long term, because it needs months of data to be able to understand what your normal temperature at rest is.
00:35:37
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:35:42
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:35:48
Felicia Devine
and like it it does, it tracks like the pattern And that's how it predicts.
00:35:52
Natalie Richards
Yep.
00:35:54
Felicia Devine
Now you can just track your temperature and get a reading. But if you're looking at pattern prediction and like when you're going ovulate, if you ovulated, the longer you have this data, the better.
Ovulation and Timing
00:36:07
Natalie Richards
Yep.
00:36:07
Felicia Devine
And you can just simply write it down if you want and like track it the old school way.
00:36:08
Natalie Richards
Because then you know you're normal. Yeah. Yeah.
00:36:12
Felicia Devine
That's totally doable. This isn't rocket science.
00:36:15
Natalie Richards
Totally fine. Right.
00:36:17
Felicia Devine
It's just annoying. Yeah.
00:36:20
Natalie Richards
It's just annoying.
00:36:21
Felicia Devine
It's just annoying.
00:36:21
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:36:22
Felicia Devine
And then as you get into your luteal window and you've ovulated, the sign of ovulation is typically that jump in temperature. And that could look like going from negative 0.1 plus 0.1.
00:36:37
Felicia Devine
And that can indicate that you ovulated. Now, you're not going to pick up that indication of ovulation until after the fact. So it's not a good predictor of the exact moment you ovulate, but did you ovulate?
00:36:49
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:36:50
Natalie Richards
Yep.
00:36:51
Felicia Devine
And you can get, I mean, obviously it's pretty close.
00:36:53
Felicia Devine
It's like a day off, but if you're tracking what your predictions are, you can predict that you're going to ovulate today and your temps can arise tomorrow.
00:36:55
Natalie Richards
It's a day off.
00:37:01
Natalie Richards
Yep.
00:37:02
Natalie Richards
It's also, if you are trying to become pregnant though, you need to know that you don't wait for that temperature surge.
00:37:08
Felicia Devine
in
00:37:09
Natalie Richards
You need to be trying to become pregnant the two days before.
00:37:10
Felicia Devine
Right. Yes. Yes.
00:37:15
Natalie Richards
Ideally.
00:37:15
Felicia Devine
Yes, because your egg your egg does not live as long in your body floating around as a sperm does.
00:37:17
Natalie Richards
Ideally.
00:37:24
Felicia Devine
Sperm are much more resilient to time, heat, all those things. When they're in you, they live longer.
00:37:28
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:37:30
Felicia Devine
Your egg is like a ticking time bomb, a grenade, shall we say.
00:37:30
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:37:33
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:37:34
Felicia Devine
And you can't wait till that egg ovulates and falls out and then have sperm meet Like that's just, it's not as accurate.
00:37:34
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:37:40
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:37:44
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:37:44
Natalie Richards
Yes.
00:37:46
Felicia Devine
So anyway, so then,
00:37:47
Natalie Richards
So technically, because of how long sperm can live, which usually is about five days, I've heard seven from multiple different accounts of like, and yeah, healthy man and then women who know exactly when they ovulated and it was seven days.
00:37:50
Felicia Devine
yes.
00:37:53
Felicia Devine
isn it Oh, a healthy man.
00:38:09
Natalie Richards
And I'm not – like that's wild. That's not normal though.
00:38:11
Felicia Devine
That's crazy.
00:38:12
Natalie Richards
Okay.
00:38:14
Felicia Devine
And he should be studied.
00:38:16
Natalie Richards
Right. So take that for what it is. But because of how long they can live, technically your fertile window is the like five-ish days leading up to when you would typically ovulate.
00:38:22
Felicia Devine
Yes. Yeah. Right.
00:38:28
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:38:33
Felicia Devine
Yes. So you don't want to be chasing the ovulation day.
00:38:33
Natalie Richards
But really –
00:38:36
Felicia Devine
You want to be chasing a few days before it.
00:38:38
Natalie Richards
The few days before.
00:38:39
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Now, once you ovulate and you get that initial spike in temperature, and like I said, spikes should be like 0.2, 0.3. point two point three Like it shouldn't look like a fever.
00:38:51
Felicia Devine
Like you're not 2.8 degrees hotter like I was five days ago.
00:38:52
Natalie Richards
Right. Yes. Yes. Right.
00:38:58
Felicia Devine
but now that you're in that luteal phase and after you've confirmed ovulation, your temp should stay on the positive sides, above or at baseline.
00:39:07
Natalie Richards
Yep.
00:39:10
Natalie Richards
Yep. At baseline or just a little bit above.
00:39:12
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:39:12
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm.
00:39:12
Felicia Devine
Yeah. And like we said, like 0.1, 0.2, like those little tiny micro fluctuations above your baseline are okay and normal.
00:39:19
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm.
00:39:21
Felicia Devine
Now, as you get closer to when your predicted period is, if you are pregnant, those temps should start creeping up even more and more and more and more like 0.4, 0.5.
00:39:28
Natalie Richards
Yes.
00:39:30
Felicia Devine
You should have that like little bit of leap to indicate, Hey, the body is noticing maybe there was a fertilized egg.
00:39:34
Natalie Richards
Yep.
00:39:38
Felicia Devine
Here's the implantation. Like
00:39:39
Natalie Richards
There's more hormones in the system.
00:39:40
Felicia Devine
There's more hormone wound surging. Like if you are pregnant, you're going to be able to tell before you get your period. So there should be body symptoms.
00:39:50
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:39:50
Felicia Devine
And a symptom is not always a negative thing.
00:39:54
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:39:54
Felicia Devine
A symptom is not always a bad thing. A symptom is simply a check engine light. And it's something to be monitored. So a temperature rise is not bad. But it's something that, oh, okay, maybe we are pregnant.
00:40:06
Felicia Devine
And as you get closer to that, you should see that that rise. Now, if you aren't pregnant or you didn't fertilize that egg or the egg didn't implant, it should stay on that lower side. And then day one, you're going have that drop to the negative.
00:40:17
Felicia Devine
So you're going to say like, okay, I'm 0.2 and then now I'm negative one.
00:40:18
Natalie Richards
Yep.
00:40:21
Felicia Devine
so you're gonna have that drastic drop in temp and that's going to indicate that you're going to bleed again.
00:40:26
Natalie Richards
Yep.
00:40:26
Felicia Devine
and so tracking that nice wave throughout your cycle will give you that indication of how long your cycle phases are.
00:40:32
Natalie Richards
Yep.
00:40:35
Felicia Devine
Did you ovulate? Did you not?
00:40:37
Natalie Richards
yeah And we need that wave.
00:40:39
Felicia Devine
Right.
00:40:40
Natalie Richards
So if you're not getting those like really good higher temperatures,
00:40:40
Felicia Devine
Right.
00:40:44
Natalie Richards
in that second phase of the cycle, you're not gonna get the good drastic drop to then create a really good bleed for your next period.
00:40:47
Felicia Devine
Right.
00:40:51
Felicia Devine
Right. if Yes, if it's not drastic enough, like the point two to negative one, if you're just like a baseline negative one or baseline baseline.
00:40:54
Natalie Richards
Yeah, right.
00:40:59
Natalie Richards
Right. So that may just indicate that your general level of hormones in your body is not enough.
00:41:07
Felicia Devine
Right.
00:41:08
Natalie Richards
That typically is because you're not taking in enough fats and you don't have you don't have the building blocks to create hormones.
00:41:11
Felicia Devine
ahead
00:41:17
Natalie Richards
Right. Or your cortisol and your adrenals are so trashed from who knows what, or you're not sleeping well, whatever.
00:41:17
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:41:20
Felicia Devine
Right. Yeah. Stress.
00:41:24
Natalie Richards
There's a lot of different things, stress, sleep, general hormone levels, like your nutrients aren't high enough.
00:41:24
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:41:28
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:41:30
Natalie Richards
That's what you'd you'd want to be looking at if you're not getting those like good wave-like si situations.
00:41:33
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:41:37
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:41:38
Felicia Devine
Yes. Yeah. Now, Natalie dropped a little bit in the previous podcast about how if you're really sick or really stressed, it can change your hormone cycle and it can really alter your fertility status.
00:41:50
Felicia Devine
So like I had the flu and I had a really bad fever last week. My Oura Ring stats look crazy. They don't look like a normal follicular phase.
00:41:59
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:42:02
Felicia Devine
And like, could that change?
00:42:03
Natalie Richards
I don't remember which, fit which fit, where were you? Like what day of your cycle were you?
00:42:06
Felicia Devine
i'm I'm still follicular.
00:42:08
Natalie Richards
You're still follicular.
00:42:09
Felicia Devine
So I should still, no, I should still be low, but I was high for four or five days, like fever status.
00:42:09
Natalie Richards
Okay. So you don't know where you're going to be.
00:42:16
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:42:17
Felicia Devine
So
00:42:17
Natalie Richards
So your body can say, okay, I had this fever. I'm going kind of reset before I ovulate.
00:42:23
Felicia Devine
yeah, right.
00:42:23
Natalie Richards
So you that could push your ovulation day by a few days for sure.
00:42:27
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah.
00:42:28
Natalie Richards
Some people don't do that, but you could.
00:42:28
Felicia Devine
So
00:42:31
Felicia Devine
Right. And I'm, I mean, coming off of that, I still have a few more days till I actually ovulate, but coming off of that week where I ate like barely anything, like I am feeling depleted.
00:42:36
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:42:40
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:42:41
Felicia Devine
So that means that I don't have a ton of like fat stores in me right now.
00:42:41
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:42:46
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:42:48
Felicia Devine
so that could indicate me not getting pregnant this month because my body just says like, not safe enough.
00:42:54
Natalie Richards
It could.
00:42:55
Felicia Devine
And that's okay.
00:42:56
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:42:56
Felicia Devine
That's okay. I mean, that's, that's actually good.
00:42:58
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:42:59
Felicia Devine
You don't, you don't want to force a pregnancy in the sense that like you trick it into getting pregnant on false pretenses.
00:42:59
Natalie Richards
It's protective.
00:43:09
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:43:09
Felicia Devine
You don't have enough energy, but you still get pregnant.
00:43:09
Natalie Richards
That is the issue with with IVF. Exactly.
00:43:13
Felicia Devine
Yes.
00:43:13
Natalie Richards
That really is the issue with IVF. As wonderful as is to let people have babies, I get it, but there's going to be a potential issue because you maybe were so stressed out that that baby now is going to be like at a baseline stress level that's way higher than needed or that you really didn't have the nutrients.
00:43:16
Felicia Devine
You're tricking your hormones.
00:43:24
Felicia Devine
Right.
00:43:32
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Or there's like a mismatch in chromosomes or like there's some like, and I know because we're in the position where we can say we're very fortunate.
00:43:36
Natalie Richards
There's something. Exactly.
00:43:43
Felicia Devine
Natalie and I are very fortunate. We've had very beautiful, healthy pregnancies with very healthy babies. But like if we force these things, this is potentially where like developmental disorders come from and like physical abnormalities come from and like disability, like these things can be kind of predicted if if we're tricking the body.
00:43:57
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:44:01
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:44:07
Natalie Richards
Yeah. And just know that just because somebody says you you know you have infertility or you've gone through a couple years of not being able to conceive, there are things you can do that don't mean that you have to go see an IVF doctor right away.
00:44:20
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:44:24
Felicia Devine
Right, right.
00:44:25
Natalie Richards
Right?
00:44:25
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:44:25
Natalie Richards
So like there there are so many things you can do to help optimize your cycle in the waiting process that maybe then would help IVF work a little bit better too.
00:44:28
Felicia Devine
In the waiting.
00:44:34
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah.
00:44:35
Natalie Richards
So there's just, that's like the typical thing in our society right now. When people go a year without conceiving, they say, oh, well, you got to go to an IVF doctor.
00:44:46
Natalie Richards
An IVF doctor isn't concerned about your cycle really at all they're going to and or your health.
00:44:50
Felicia Devine
Or your health.
00:44:52
Natalie Richards
They're going to give you the drugs that are necessary to trick your body into holding on to a pregnancy.
00:44:58
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:44:58
Natalie Richards
That's all it is.
00:45:00
Felicia Devine
so So here's our our, I guess, plea for you is like, if you are in the trying, in the waiting, and you can't even see a specialist until a year, because that's oftentimes what they say, like, try for a year and then we'll refer you.
00:45:00
Natalie Richards
So...
00:45:15
Natalie Richards
Usually. hu Yeah.
00:45:18
Felicia Devine
Okay. Well, in this year trying, what can we do? Well, we can eat really nourishing foods. We need fat. Women need fat. I mean, so do men, but we need fats. We need cholesterol.
00:45:30
Natalie Richards
Cholesterol.
00:45:30
Felicia Devine
Cholesterol is the votes starting point of hormones.
00:45:32
Natalie Richards
The building block of hormones.
00:45:36
Felicia Devine
Skip the Cheerios that say low cholesterol.
00:45:38
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:45:38
Felicia Devine
Like get those out of your cabinet.
00:45:38
Natalie Richards
No.
00:45:39
Felicia Devine
We need cholesterol.
00:45:40
Natalie Richards
Eat some eggs.
00:45:42
Felicia Devine
And honestly, to be to be quite frank, your fertility starts when you're an infant, if you're breastfed or not.
00:45:49
Natalie Richards
It does. it does.
00:45:51
Felicia Devine
Formula doesn't have cholesterol in it.
00:45:53
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:45:54
Felicia Devine
Breast milk has cholesterol. So if you're a mother and you're nursing, just know you're giving your child like the most foundational things for the rest of their life, but for their future fertility.
00:45:56
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm.
00:46:06
Felicia Devine
fertility
00:46:06
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm. It's true.
00:46:08
Felicia Devine
It goes so beyond. It's generational.
00:46:10
Natalie Richards
is. It is. It is.
00:46:12
Felicia Devine
That seems really like big scope, but okay.
00:46:13
Natalie Richards
is No, but it is.
00:46:15
Felicia Devine
So in the waiting, yeah.
00:46:15
Natalie Richards
That's why we harp on all this stuff because it is the big scope.
00:46:17
Felicia Devine
In the waiting, what can we do?
00:46:20
Natalie Richards
The other half.
00:46:20
Felicia Devine
We can eat the nourishing foods. We can eat the protein.
00:46:23
Natalie Richards
Yes.
00:46:24
Felicia Devine
What else, Nat?
00:46:25
Natalie Richards
The men.
00:46:26
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:46:27
Natalie Richards
The men.
00:46:28
Felicia Devine
The men. The men are half the problem.
00:46:29
Natalie Richards
I'm so sorry. The men are a big part of the problem.
00:46:31
Felicia Devine
They get none of the tests. Well, I shouldn't say none, but they get skipped over.
00:46:34
Natalie Richards
a The sperm is half of the placental development. So if you don't have healthy sperm coming into this situation,
00:46:40
Felicia Devine
It's half of everything. Yeah.
00:46:44
Natalie Richards
you are not going to have a healthy placenta. That is one of the top things I hear from the labor and delivery nurses that see, that I talk to
00:46:52
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah.
00:46:54
Natalie Richards
Placentas look like trash these days. They're like disintegrating in their hands.
00:46:59
Felicia Devine
Oh.
00:46:59
Natalie Richards
Like when they cut like it's a bad news.
00:47:02
Felicia Devine
Oh gosh, I didn't know that.
00:47:02
Natalie Richards
IVF is the top problem for placentas and for postpartum hemorrhage too, because placentas aren't detaching from the uterus.
00:47:07
Felicia Devine
and then
00:47:11
Natalie Richards
So that, and it's mostly IVF, placentas that are like that.
00:47:14
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:47:16
Natalie Richards
So there there are patterns that are being noticed that aren't being talked about in terms of placental health.
00:47:19
Felicia Devine
Right. Right.
00:47:22
Natalie Richards
But half of that is the sperm.
00:47:24
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:47:24
Natalie Richards
So testosterone rates are plummeting. Sperm counts are plummeting. But the men can do something about that really fast.
00:47:30
Felicia Devine
okay
00:47:34
Felicia Devine
The men have so much power.
00:47:35
Natalie Richards
75 days, maybe let's say three months.
00:47:36
Felicia Devine
okay Right.
00:47:39
Natalie Richards
Three months you can completely change around the quality of sperm that's being given to that egg.
00:47:43
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:47:45
Felicia Devine
And if you can't convince your husband to like take a supplement or do a test, encourage him to eat whole foods.
00:47:52
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:47:53
Felicia Devine
Reduces oxidative stress. So what does that mean?
00:47:54
Natalie Richards
Yep.
00:47:55
Felicia Devine
Eat fruits and vegetables that help lower his cellular stress load.
00:47:57
Natalie Richards
Yep. Yep. Microplastics.
00:48:01
Felicia Devine
Eat whole foods.
00:48:02
Natalie Richards
All of the all this stuff.
00:48:03
Felicia Devine
Eat good fat. Eat good fat because you know what?
00:48:06
Natalie Richards
Eat good fat.
00:48:07
Felicia Devine
This man needs cholesterol.
00:48:07
Natalie Richards
Eat good fat. Yeah. For testosterone production.
00:48:10
Felicia Devine
This man needs cholesterol to help his testosterone production, which is going to help his sperm quality.
00:48:13
Natalie Richards
o boy o
00:48:15
Felicia Devine
So shovel tallow in that boy's mouth.
00:48:19
Natalie Richards
Truthfully. Hi, Jeannie. What do you need, sweet boy?
00:48:21
Felicia Devine
And butter.
00:48:23
Natalie Richards
oh can I kiss it for you? Okay, come here, my love bug. I love you so much.
00:48:29
Felicia Devine
Oh, my sweet boy's napping.
00:48:30
Natalie Richards
All better? oh
00:48:32
Felicia Devine
I don't get kisses right now.
00:48:34
Natalie Richards
sweet little, sweet little seppy sep. Okay.
00:48:37
Felicia Devine
Sweet boy.
00:48:38
Natalie Richards
So men for sure for fertility, like that's, that's a huge part.
00:48:39
Felicia Devine
Okay. So men. Yeah. Is there a supplement for men? I mean, i know that heart and soil has the whole package.
00:48:47
Natalie Richards
the whole package. I like that. I think that's, and if there's a testosterone issue, yeah.
00:48:48
Felicia Devine
Yeah. It's whole food. Yeah.
00:48:52
Natalie Richards
You can take, there's other ones that are that are good. What's the one? Ancient Nutrition has one called Male Performance. I really like that.
00:49:01
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:49:02
Natalie Richards
It's an herbal and glandular.
00:49:02
Felicia Devine
Is that the one Kyle's on?
00:49:05
Natalie Richards
It's a glandular liver and herbal.
00:49:05
Felicia Devine
Oh, it's herbal too.
00:49:08
Natalie Richards
Like it has liver, kidney, heart, testicle,
00:49:08
Felicia Devine
Cool.
00:49:13
Natalie Richards
Gosh, what are the herbs? I can't even remember. There's 30 different ingredients in it, but it's, yeah, that one's really, really good.
00:49:16
Felicia Devine
OK. Awesome.
00:49:21
Felicia Devine
OK.
00:49:21
Natalie Richards
Needed has a male sperm health supplement.
00:49:23
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:49:25
Natalie Richards
It's becoming way more popular now, thank goodness.
00:49:28
Felicia Devine
Good. Yeah.
00:49:28
Natalie Richards
But it's really only been the last like couple years I've even heard people talking about this.
00:49:33
Felicia Devine
Male health. Yeah.
00:49:35
Natalie Richards
Jean's crying. Yeah.
00:49:36
Felicia Devine
The other thing you want to do is ensure that your man isn't like heating up too much.
00:49:42
Natalie Richards
Yes.
00:49:43
Felicia Devine
His body temperature, he shouldn't be going in hot tubs.
00:49:46
Natalie Richards
No hot tubs, cotton underwear.
00:49:49
Felicia Devine
what What do you think about a sauna? Probably not. I don't know.
00:49:54
Natalie Richards
it's
00:49:56
Felicia Devine
It's different than a hot tub.
00:49:57
Natalie Richards
It's different than submerging the testicles in hot water.
00:49:59
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Hot water.
00:50:03
Natalie Richards
There is a certain amount of natural protection that men have.
00:50:04
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:50:06
Felicia Devine
Yeah, yeah.
00:50:07
Natalie Richards
So like that's where they the testicles will like come up or drop down depending on temperature.
00:50:13
Felicia Devine
Yeah, yeah.
00:50:14
Natalie Richards
So there's a certain amount of like protection.
00:50:16
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:50:16
Natalie Richards
I think for a short period of time, it's fine.
00:50:17
Felicia Devine
I mean, if your man's sauna-ing, I feel like you shouldn't have a problem because he's doing a healthy thing anyway. Yeah, yeah.
00:50:23
Natalie Richards
Yes. And actually that's going to in general help with testosterone levels anyway.
00:50:24
Felicia Devine
So, yeah.
00:50:27
Natalie Richards
So I don't, I don't have a problem with that.
00:50:27
Felicia Devine
Yeah. so
00:50:29
Natalie Richards
And you're detoxing the stuff that's going to be a problem.
00:50:29
Felicia Devine
yeah
00:50:32
Natalie Richards
So I think net positive on that.
00:50:32
Felicia Devine
Yeah. yeah Stay off of motorcycles, extreme vibration, ride on mowers, horses.
00:50:37
Natalie Richards
Yes. Oh my gosh. And yeah EMFs. Yeah. Like the, the magnetic, the magnetic pull from riding on a motorcycle is really damaging to, it's like a magnetic field.
00:50:48
Felicia Devine
Is it?
00:50:51
Felicia Devine
Oh, is that why so many people?
00:50:52
Natalie Richards
because of where the motor is located on a motorcycle, that's why it's so damaging.
00:50:56
Felicia Devine
Oh, wow.
00:50:59
Natalie Richards
So it's like, sorry.
00:50:59
Felicia Devine
Okay. So no motorcycles. You hear that men? We're ripping them from your hands.
00:51:06
Felicia Devine
Danny rides a bicycle and that doesn't have any EMF. So perfect.
00:51:09
Natalie Richards
Yes. Perfect. Beautiful. Beautiful.
00:51:11
Felicia Devine
Love that.
00:51:12
Natalie Richards
So that's like a huge piece.
00:51:14
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:51:16
Natalie Richards
Okay. So we talked about the basal body temperature. me pull up my notes because there were a couple things I wanted to make sure that I, oh yeah.
00:51:22
Felicia Devine
Ooh, talk about chase tree.
00:51:24
Natalie Richards
Okay. My favorite hormone balancer, not necessarily, not for men, but for women, balances it's a adaptogenic herb.
00:51:32
Felicia Devine
Yep.
00:51:36
Felicia Devine
Tell us what that is, Natalie.
00:51:37
Natalie Richards
An adaptogenic herb is something that will, it doesn't have a direct like cause and effect on the body. So you can take this herb and in one person's body, it may help to raise progesterone.
00:51:45
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:51:50
Natalie Richards
In another person's body, it may actually help to like lower it or like balance out. It's not going to have a direct cause and effect like a pharmaceutical does.
00:52:01
Felicia Devine
Yes.
00:52:02
Natalie Richards
So it's not It's not like jumping into a pathway in the body and affecting that pathway. It's in general just creating adaptation.
00:52:09
Felicia Devine
helping you adapt.
00:52:11
Natalie Richards
Yeah, it's creating proper adaptation.
00:52:12
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:52:13
Natalie Richards
So chaste tree or chaste berry or vitex or vitex berry, all the same thing, is probably one of the most powerful things you can try.
00:52:21
Felicia Devine
It's synonymous.
00:52:28
Natalie Richards
I mean, I think almost anyone can try it and just see how their body works. does with it. It's good for, it's, it's a tincture.
00:52:34
Felicia Devine
How do we consume this Natalie?
00:52:37
Natalie Richards
It could be a liquid or it could be in a capsule.
00:52:38
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:52:40
Natalie Richards
I personally use the Gaia one, G-A-I-A.
00:52:40
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:52:42
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:52:43
Natalie Richards
It's like a dark black liquidy pill kind of. And it's, it's just an herb and there, it will be in certain like blends of female hormone balancing stuff, but you do need to take a decent amount of it.
00:52:47
Felicia Devine
Okay. Yeah.
00:52:57
Natalie Richards
So I don't think that a lot of those that have a blend have enough of the Vitex specifically.
00:53:02
Felicia Devine
Okay. So if you're looking to do this, you want to get just like specifically a trace tree supplement.
00:53:06
Natalie Richards
Yeah. And this, I would, because you want to just be taking enough to actually make a meaningful difference.
00:53:07
Felicia Devine
You don't want to get something that's like a multivitamin, shall we say?
00:53:14
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:53:15
Natalie Richards
Chastry can be used. I remember going to this this seminar about hormone health and it was like every single female hormone issue
00:53:26
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:53:27
Natalie Richards
condition, let's say, it was like, chase tree, chase tree, chase tree, chasery chase tree, chase tree.
00:53:28
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:53:32
Felicia Devine
Like I'm noticing a pattern here.
00:53:33
Natalie Richards
I'm like, okay, so can we just start with that and see what happens?
00:53:36
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah.
00:53:38
Natalie Richards
And truthfully, yes, you can. So endometriosis, technically in my mind is estrogen dominance. How
00:53:49
Natalie Richards
it's It's a liver issue at the very core, but that's that's for a different day maybe.
00:53:54
Felicia Devine
That's in the weeds, Natalie.
00:53:56
Natalie Richards
So it's very complicated, but Chastry can really help to help. It's really raising progesterone in balance with the higher estrogen, but you really do have to work on getting rid of extra estrogen, which is the liver.
00:54:06
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:54:09
Felicia Devine
The liver.
00:54:12
Felicia Devine
A liver problem.
00:54:12
Natalie Richards
But So you do have to do both with that one, but Chastry can help bring up progesterone. Technically what you'll see, like Gaia, that particular supplement, it even says progesterone support on it because it's technically helping to balance out progesterone levels.
00:54:28
Natalie Richards
But we're when we're talking about hormones, we're always talking about a balance anyway.
00:54:29
Felicia Devine
Right.
00:54:32
Felicia Devine
Right. Cause they all have been flowed throughout. You don't want all of them high at once.
00:54:34
Natalie Richards
Yes.
00:54:36
Felicia Devine
You don't want them all low at once.
00:54:37
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:54:37
Felicia Devine
You want them high and low at different points and you want them to fluctuate drastically.
00:54:39
Natalie Richards
Yep.
00:54:42
Natalie Richards
Yes.
00:54:44
Natalie Richards
So so
00:54:45
Felicia Devine
which can help with your ovulation.
00:54:47
Felicia Devine
i was the chase tree can help create a strong ovulation.
00:54:47
Natalie Richards
it absolutely does. It absolutely does. A stronger response.
00:54:52
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:54:52
Natalie Richards
So endometriosis, PCOS for sure, Vitex is like my number one triad along with blood sugar regulation.
00:54:57
Felicia Devine
if
00:55:03
Natalie Richards
have to balance out blood sugar PCOS, but sometimes it's not that. Sometimes it really is that you just don't have proper hormone levels.
00:55:12
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:55:13
Natalie Richards
Sometimes that one is more stress-related. PCOS is definitely more stress-related. But people will be put on like a testosterone blocker for pcs because their testosterone levels are too high.
00:55:27
Natalie Richards
But really it's just that it's, again, the balance between the progesterone
00:55:30
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:55:33
Natalie Richards
is not balancing out that test that high testosterone level.
00:55:36
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah.
00:55:37
Natalie Richards
So PCOS, typically you'll see long cycles. And even if you don't have the typical PCOS symptoms where you have like really bad cramping and all of that stuff,
00:55:49
Felicia Devine
Right. Right.
00:55:51
Natalie Richards
Even if you have longer cycles, your progesterone levels are probably off.
00:55:55
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:55:55
Natalie Richards
So chase tree.
00:55:56
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:55:57
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:55:59
Natalie Richards
A lot of times now though, you'll see it called Vitex. And so V-I-T-E-X is what people should should look for.
00:56:02
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:56:06
Felicia Devine
search for
00:56:07
Natalie Richards
That one's really good. What other conditions are common that people have? Those are like the two that I hear all the time. Endo and PCOS.
00:56:15
Felicia Devine
PCOS. Yep.
00:56:17
Natalie Richards
top and stress.
00:56:18
Felicia Devine
And stress, fricking stress. People are stressed.
00:56:21
Natalie Richards
who
00:56:21
Felicia Devine
And if you're trying to get pregnant, stress in the form of physical stress. So if you're working out beyond, if you're in like a, a calorie deficit, you know what stress that is on the body.
00:56:27
Natalie Richards
Oh, that's a huge one. Oh, especially for more than like a month at a time.
00:56:33
Felicia Devine
And a calorie deficit can be, yeah, a calorie deficit can be from eating too little or working out too much or doing both.
00:56:43
Natalie Richards
Or both, which most people do.
00:56:43
Felicia Devine
You can't be trying to lose weight and getting pregnant at the same time because your body is in a whole different mode.
00:56:47
Natalie Richards
Yep.
00:56:51
Felicia Devine
You're not in fertility, rest and digest, like honoring the cycle if you're cutting weight.
00:56:51
Natalie Richards
Yep.
00:56:58
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:56:58
Felicia Devine
And people...
00:56:59
Natalie Richards
You're in stress sympathetic mode.
00:57:00
Felicia Devine
Yeah, people, like cut the weight, girl. Like do your thing, work out, hit the gym hard, but like you can't do both. You can't be like trying to conceive and losing weight.
00:57:09
Natalie Richards
Yep. I will say when you're young, I think your body can balance that out a little bit better.
00:57:14
Felicia Devine
Yeah, yeah.
00:57:15
Natalie Richards
and you can, like people get will get pregnant all the time when they're young and working out a ton.
00:57:19
Felicia Devine
Yeah, yeah. But like if you're trying to maximize your options or like maximize your opportunity, like you need to be,
00:57:21
Natalie Richards
But yes. Yes. And you're really actively trying. you have to optimize all this stuff.
00:57:29
Felicia Devine
Yeah. And like, it just, it's common sense. Like you had to eat the food to nurse the body, to reduce the stress. and And it's physical stress.
00:57:37
Natalie Richards
It really comes back to that.
00:57:39
Felicia Devine
It's mental stress. Like if you're hyper fixated on stuff that is really damaging, like really negative things, if you're talking yourself poorly, if you're in a destructive relationship or you have destructive boundaries, like those things create stress on the body and your body keeps score.
00:57:56
Felicia Devine
So we've got we've got to build up those boundaries.
00:57:56
Natalie Richards
One million percent does.
00:58:00
Felicia Devine
We've got to build up that resilience.
00:58:01
Natalie Richards
Your body has to feel safe.
00:58:03
Felicia Devine
Yeah, has to feel safe.
00:58:03
Natalie Richards
It has to feel safe.
00:58:06
Felicia Devine
Now, not everyone's trying to get pregnant. We understand that.
00:58:09
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:58:10
Felicia Devine
But understanding what normal looks like will give you the opportunity to make that conscious choice of not getting pregnant.
00:58:17
Natalie Richards
Correct.
00:58:18
Felicia Devine
Because if you have an abnormal cycle, you might ovulate and you have no idea.
00:58:22
Natalie Richards
Yep. Right.
00:58:22
Felicia Devine
And then you get impregnant, having a baby.
00:58:26
Felicia Devine
So, yeah, I mean, all of this we're harping on is to make sure that you're understanding what normal in your body should feel like so that you can either try to or try not to get pregnant.
00:58:36
Natalie Richards
Right. And this is why like people will always say like, oh, the tracking doesn't work. Like I got pregnant when I was tracking my cycle. And it's like, well, except for it does work.
00:58:48
Felicia Devine
It does work.
00:58:49
Natalie Richards
it You just have to have, you have to have an a normal cycle to begin with.
00:58:51
Felicia Devine
It does.
00:58:55
Natalie Richards
So like that should be the baseline requirement for everyone that you just, whether you're trying to get pregnant or not, you need to try to get your body to be as normal as possible and predictable because otherwise, yeah, no, it's not going to work at all.
00:59:05
Felicia Devine
Predictable.
00:59:10
Felicia Devine
great Right, right.
00:59:11
Natalie Richards
I think we also need to talk about cramping
00:59:12
Felicia Devine
For both ways.
00:59:15
Felicia Devine
So many people cramp.
00:59:16
Natalie Richards
because that's just like, normal except for the fact that it's not.
00:59:22
Felicia Devine
It's not. Wait, can I give you a cool testimony?
00:59:24
Natalie Richards
who
00:59:27
Felicia Devine
I have this new patient. She's been with me now probably five weeks. She's a young girl. i think she's 18. And in her new patient intake, she was like, yeah, I have like mid to low back pain on and off.
00:59:41
Felicia Devine
That's really it. Her sister had started
Menstrual Health and Chiropractic Care
00:59:42
Felicia Devine
care. So she was like, I'm just interested. i was like, okay, cool.
00:59:44
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm.
00:59:45
Felicia Devine
Started talking again, asked about menstrual cycle. She's like, oh yeah, i have such bad cramps. I throw up, I pass out. i can't move. Like quite literally debilitated.
00:59:57
Natalie Richards
I hear it all the time and people still think that's normal.
01:00:00
Felicia Devine
Yeah. And she's like, yeah, but like other than that, it's like a normal cycle. And I'm just like, oh my gosh, yeah.
01:00:05
Natalie Richards
Except for the fact that none of that is normal.
01:00:07
Felicia Devine
Yeah. So we're like talking about things and then I'm like, okay, like what about digestion? Like, are you pooping? She's like, oh, I don't know. I'm like, what do you mean you don't know? She didn't know she pooped every day. She didn't know.
01:00:18
Felicia Devine
I said, oh my God, that's like not that hard to track.
01:00:22
Natalie Richards
Except thank goodness now she's going to know. Yeah.
01:00:25
Felicia Devine
Yeah. so she'd been under care less than a month. The first cycle she had since being under chiropractic care, zero cramping. She couldn't believe it.
01:00:36
Natalie Richards
There we go.
01:00:36
Felicia Devine
I said, I said, just think like when your body's receiving proper communication, when it's receiving proper nourishment, when it's receiving proper signals and then sending signals back to the brain, they work.
01:00:48
Natalie Richards
Hello.
01:00:49
Felicia Devine
hello We unlocked so much potential.
01:00:50
Natalie Richards
let's I've had that happen so many times.
01:00:53
Felicia Devine
She's floored. And she's like, she told me, actually, i saw her yesterday. She told me she's excited for her next period.
01:00:59
Natalie Richards
oh
01:00:59
Felicia Devine
And I was like, oh, pop off, girl.
01:01:01
Natalie Richards
That's what should be happening.
01:01:02
Natalie Richards
We should be like, oh my gosh, amazing.
01:01:02
Felicia Devine
And she's getting married in June.
01:01:03
Felicia Devine
So I'm like, I wish all the normalcy for you. I wish all the like health and happiness and success because this is normal.
01:01:07
Natalie Richards
Amazing.
Hormonal Issues and Solutions
01:01:13
Natalie Richards
hu
01:01:14
Felicia Devine
So talk to us a little bit about cramping.
01:01:16
Natalie Richards
Yeah. So most people have it and I've had it before, like back in school when I was stressed as heck and I did have PCOS, like diagnosed PCOS.
01:01:20
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
01:01:25
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
01:01:33
Natalie Richards
I was able to fix that. Like I remember being in clinic and being like, oh my God, i have to be in clinic today. Like my cramps are so bad.
01:01:41
Natalie Richards
Like it gets to be like, it overtakes your mind, everything.
01:01:45
Felicia Devine
then
01:01:45
Natalie Richards
I get it. Like it's bad. i haven't had, a i haven't had even the slightest hint of a cramp in at least five years.
01:01:56
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
01:01:59
Felicia Devine
Whoa.
01:01:59
Natalie Richards
at least five years.
01:02:01
Felicia Devine
Way to go. Mm-hmm.
01:02:02
Natalie Richards
Because once I fixed that PCOS situation, which you can fix it, just so you know,
01:02:07
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Chase tree.
01:02:09
Natalie Richards
yeah Chase Tree and like blood sugar regulation and all that stuff, which I still have to deal with it a little bit, but the Chase Tree literally fixed it.
01:02:13
Felicia Devine
great Right. Right.
01:02:16
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah.
01:02:20
Natalie Richards
Once you fix those like underlying hormonal issues, The cramping isn't there because your body knows what to expect.
01:02:26
Felicia Devine
Right.
01:02:29
Natalie Richards
It's doing its thing. I i literally don't have a tinge. The only reason why I know my period is coming is because I know when it's supposed to come. Right?
01:02:38
Felicia Devine
Right. Right.
01:02:40
Natalie Richards
because I know the day.
01:02:40
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
01:02:41
Natalie Richards
And then I'm like, oh, I feel like maybe a little heavy, the heaviness there.
01:02:42
Felicia Devine
Right.
01:02:46
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah. Yep.
01:02:46
Natalie Richards
you know I'm like, oh, there it is.
01:02:48
Natalie Richards
There is not a single symptom. You also should not be having days leading up where you have PMDD, where you're a psycho and you're losing your mind and you feel like your brain is going to explode.
01:02:52
Felicia Devine
Right.
01:02:56
Felicia Devine
Right. You're
01:03:03
Felicia Devine
going to explode. Mm-hmm.
01:03:05
Natalie Richards
You shouldn't have any of those symptoms. So if you do, something is not right.
01:03:07
Felicia Devine
Right.
01:03:08
Natalie Richards
And if you go to your You're OBGYN and they say, mm yeah, that's just part of being a woman.
01:03:09
Felicia Devine
Correct.
01:03:12
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
01:03:14
Natalie Richards
No, it's not.
01:03:14
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
01:03:15
Natalie Richards
Let me tell you.
01:03:15
Felicia Devine
Right. Right.
01:03:16
Natalie Richards
No, it's not.
01:03:17
Felicia Devine
Right.
01:03:17
Natalie Richards
And all they will have to give you is birth control.
01:03:18
Felicia Devine
And don't let your...
01:03:20
Natalie Richards
So, right.
01:03:20
Felicia Devine
Don't let your... Yeah, don't let your practitioner put you on perimenopause medication.
01:03:24
Natalie Richards
Right. Either that or birth control is that's what they have to give you.
01:03:26
Felicia Devine
At 22. Yeah. Yeah.
01:03:30
Natalie Richards
and it's, yes, it can maybe mask your symptoms for a little bit.
01:03:36
Felicia Devine
yeah
01:03:38
Natalie Richards
Meanwhile, they're going to come back.
01:03:38
Felicia Devine
Oh, that's a whole, that's a whole podcast.
01:03:40
Natalie Richards
That's a whole podcast.
01:03:40
Felicia Devine
Birth control is a whole podcast.
01:03:42
Natalie Richards
and Yeah, we can't get into that right now.
01:03:43
Felicia Devine
Cause you're not actually, Oh, you're not even actually cycling or you're not even actually, Oh, I can't even that's an enough, but we should probably do a podcast about birth control.
01:03:45
Natalie Richards
We can't. yeah We can't.
01:03:52
Natalie Richards
Let's do it. I love to talk about birth control because i despise it.
01:03:55
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
01:03:59
Felicia Devine
And
01:04:00
Natalie Richards
And I understand it. I understand it.
01:04:03
Felicia Devine
when used correctly, though, the amount of incorrect usage I see, it's mind-blowing.
01:04:10
Natalie Richards
Oh, yeah. Mind-blowing.
01:04:13
Felicia Devine
Like when you're 12 and 13 and you're on it because you have acne, like that's incorrect usage.
01:04:13
Natalie Richards
I also just... I mean, all the... Right. the the side effects The side effects alone should make women...
01:04:24
Felicia Devine
Run away.
01:04:25
Natalie Richards
should make women livid that we're just signing up for this and nobody tells you the side effects.
01:04:27
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
01:04:31
Natalie Richards
Like we're talking major like death side effects.
01:04:31
Felicia Devine
Right.
01:04:35
Natalie Richards
We're talking major clotting disorders, cancer.
01:04:37
Felicia Devine
Cancer.
01:04:39
Natalie Richards
Oh, like it, we, on and on, on and on and on.
01:04:40
Felicia Devine
Yeah, I know. I know. So we're not even going to get started.
01:04:45
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
01:04:47
Felicia Devine
Oh, Natalie and I love seed cycling.
01:04:49
Natalie Richards
We're just going to mention seed cycling.
01:04:51
Felicia Devine
Okay.
01:04:51
Natalie Richards
There are,
01:04:51
Felicia Devine
The word seed cycling.
01:04:53
Natalie Richards
Look up seed cycling if you want to optimize your cycle without having to take a supplement.
01:04:59
Felicia Devine
So seed cycling is S-E-E-D cycling, meaning that you're using seeds, you're consuming them, you're eating them at certain points of your cycle to help encourage correct hormonal production.
01:05:15
Natalie Richards
Correct.
01:05:16
Felicia Devine
So that's just kind of the premise of it.
01:05:17
Natalie Richards
You can look up the specifics, but like you can do that to help get your cycle back on track.
01:05:18
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
01:05:22
Felicia Devine
Yes.
01:05:22
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
01:05:23
Felicia Devine
And again, it's a whole food. It's something that we've easy access to.
01:05:25
Natalie Richards
It sure is. it sure is.
01:05:27
Felicia Devine
excess access to Go to your whole food store.
01:05:30
Natalie Richards
I can't stress enough the liver component with hormonal issues.
01:05:35
Felicia Devine
Natalie loves a liver.
01:05:35
Natalie Richards
Okay. I love the liver.
01:05:36
Felicia Devine
If Natalie were to get a tattoo, well, you have a tattoo. If Natalie were to get second tattoo, it would be a literal liver molecule.
01:05:39
Natalie Richards
It would be like a liver enzyme. Yeah.
01:05:45
Felicia Devine
She loves a liver.
01:05:47
Natalie Richards
I love the liver.
01:05:47
Felicia Devine
Is that your favorite organ?
01:05:49
Natalie Richards
Oh gosh. The gallbladder might be my favorite organ because the gallbladder does so much that we don't even realize.
01:05:51
Felicia Devine
What?
01:05:55
Felicia Devine
know, it's kind of underappreciated. And we just rip them out of people left and right.
01:05:56
Natalie Richards
And it is such an underrated organ.
01:06:00
Natalie Richards
Spleen might be, I mean, spleen's kind of the same thing. Spleen is like an underrated, incredibly important organ.
01:06:05
Felicia Devine
What do I like? Ooh, what if I said the, I love a thymus gland.
01:06:12
Natalie Richards
Love it.
01:06:12
Felicia Devine
Oh, simply because it's so like, it's like, and it's mummification in an adult.
01:06:13
Natalie Richards
A thymus. That's involved. Oh, it's so important.
01:06:21
Felicia Devine
I love a thymus. Oh, and that's why.
01:06:23
Natalie Richards
Oh, that's great.
01:06:24
Felicia Devine
And I'll just say this time and time again. Like our kids are so resilient. They're literally gifted another immune organ.
01:06:29
Natalie Richards
Beyond.
01:06:32
Felicia Devine
And it's like, like, what why are we acting like they're so weak?
01:06:33
Natalie Richards
Beyond.
01:06:38
Natalie Richards
Yeah, they're not.
01:06:38
Felicia Devine
They're not.
01:06:39
Natalie Richards
They're so strong.
01:06:39
Felicia Devine
They are stronger than adult.
01:06:40
Natalie Richards
They're so strong.
01:06:41
Felicia Devine
Okay.
01:06:41
Natalie Richards
hu
01:06:42
Felicia Devine
That's my favorite organ. Yes.
01:06:45
Natalie Richards
So the liver, you must optimize liver function in order to have correct hormone production and correct hormone full hormone excretion because you're constantly cycling through hormones.
01:06:49
Felicia Devine
Yes.
01:06:52
Felicia Devine
Yes.
01:06:56
Felicia Devine
Excretion. Yes.
01:06:59
Felicia Devine
Yes.
01:06:59
Natalie Richards
If you've ever been on synthetic hormones of any kind, you must make sure that your liver
01:07:04
Felicia Devine
Or you're exposed to endocrine disruptors.
01:07:06
Natalie Richards
is All the time. And that's why we like we just, if if you're a living human being, you need to focus on your liver.
01:07:10
Felicia Devine
Yeah. so your liver has to be open.
01:07:14
Natalie Richards
You just do. At this point, you just do. If you drink a speck of alcohol, you need to focus on your liver detoxification.
01:07:17
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yes.
01:07:21
Natalie Richards
You just have to.
01:07:22
Felicia Devine
If you come into contact with plastic ever.
01:07:24
Natalie Richards
and And that is why like if you drink alcohol, you'll notice on an Oura Ring, like your temperature rises, your hormones are out of whack for days following, days following.
01:07:33
Felicia Devine
Your resting heart rate is elevated.
01:07:35
Natalie Richards
So you just have to do go back to our detox episode and go – focus on your liver.
01:07:43
Felicia Devine
Episode two, season one.
01:07:44
Natalie Richards
and then we did not talk about uh, for the other fertility tracker, the Inito, Inito, Inito, Inito.
01:07:51
Felicia Devine
Oh, yes.
01:07:52
Natalie Richards
I don't know how you say it.
01:07:53
Felicia Devine
Natalie just had me ordered, Natalie just had me order the Inito, which plugs into your phone.
01:07:58
Natalie Richards
I N I T O. Yeah.
01:08:00
Felicia Devine
I N I T O. It plugs into your phone and you pee on a strip and you plug it into this, this reader that plugs into your phone with a free app. And it gives you four hormone readings, from urine metabolites.
01:08:14
Felicia Devine
So basically you, when you pee, you're going to have like, uh,
01:08:15
Natalie Richards
Yep.
01:08:20
Felicia Devine
What's a metabolite, Natalie?
01:08:21
Natalie Richards
Metabolite is just like, it's, yeah, it's kind of like the breakdown product of a hormone.
01:08:21
Felicia Devine
Like a building block of a hormone. It's a breakdown. Yeah.
01:08:27
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
01:08:28
Felicia Devine
It's the trash component of a hormone.
01:08:28
Natalie Richards
In your urine.
01:08:29
Felicia Devine
Yeah. So that's why you're able to track these things.
01:08:30
Natalie Richards
So it indicates how much of that hormone may have been in your system once it gets processed out.
01:08:34
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
01:08:36
Natalie Richards
Okay.
01:08:36
Felicia Devine
Yeah. So that's why you're able to kind of track hormones through urine consistently is because you're tracking the metabolite of that.
01:08:43
Natalie Richards
Yes. If you do it more than just one day.
01:08:44
Felicia Devine
So Yeah. Right.
01:08:48
Natalie Richards
Number one is issue.
01:08:49
Felicia Devine
Again, if you're talking anything hormone tracking, it has to be more than one day.
01:08:52
Natalie Richards
God.
01:08:54
Felicia Devine
so basically what it is is, you're peeing on the stick, you're plugging it into this reader. This app then generates a graph for you of these four metabolites. And it shows you what's peaking, what's low, where you are in your cycle, what to expect. if you're coming up on that, that ovulation surge with the luteinizing hormone. So,
01:09:16
Natalie Richards
It's really cool.
01:09:16
Felicia Devine
Natalie told me about it and I ordered it.
01:09:17
Natalie Richards
It's like it just maps out all your little lovely curves that are supposed to happen and it should look like a lovely curve.
01:09:18
Felicia Devine
So I'm excited.
01:09:22
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
01:09:24
Natalie Richards
And I think for a lot of people, you end up with spikes and peaks and all this stuff that isn't supposed to be happening.
01:09:27
Felicia Devine
Yeah. yeah
01:09:30
Natalie Richards
So then you know what you really do need to optimize.
01:09:30
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
01:09:34
Natalie Richards
But again, you don't even have to go that far for most people if you just know what your – kind of.
01:09:34
Felicia Devine
Right.
01:09:37
Felicia Devine
Just getting an adaptogen or
01:09:41
Natalie Richards
Start with Chase Tree and see what happens.
01:09:43
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Just go adaptogenic.
01:09:45
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
01:09:46
Felicia Devine
Shortcut adaptogen.
01:09:48
Natalie Richards
it It's pretty darn good. Now, one thing you don't want to do is if you do become pregnant, you don't continue to take it
01:09:54
Felicia Devine
Right.
01:09:57
Natalie Richards
So.
01:09:58
Felicia Devine
You else? Another adaptogen that you have to avoid, which is like a common one in like fun mocktails is ashwagandha.
01:10:05
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
01:10:06
Felicia Devine
Cannot do that pregnant.
01:10:06
Natalie Richards
And that's a really wonderful stress balancing herb, but you just want to like lower the herbs it once you know that you're pregnant.
01:10:08
Felicia Devine
Yes. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. Once you're pregnant, there's a whole other set of rules, but we're not your doctors.
01:10:15
Natalie Richards
And also none of none of these things are medical advice. And please don't listen to
01:10:22
Felicia Devine
Even if we are your doctors, no, we're not. We're not your doctors via the podcast.
01:10:27
Natalie Richards
that. Just giving generalized information, trying to help Alicia get pregnant.
01:10:30
Felicia Devine
Yeah. We're just like speaking from our hearts of what we do. Yeah. So I'm trying to get pregnant. And if you want to follow that journey again, follow us on Instagram.
01:10:38
Natalie Richards
These are just things that we have done and we have helped our patients for.
01:10:41
Felicia Devine
Natalie's my acting doula, so she's allowed to give me my advice.
01:10:43
Natalie Richards
Right.
01:10:48
Felicia Devine
Well, I will follow along with the Anita thing and I'll kind of keep everyone updated.
01:10:53
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
01:10:53
Felicia Devine
I'm very excited about it.
01:10:53
Natalie Richards
I'm, I'm so curious what yours says.
01:10:56
Felicia Devine
Wait, you should do it too.
01:10:58
Natalie Richards
I should. i kind of stopped all of my tracking for a while because i'm like because I know exactly where I'm at and I'm to the point where I'm finally consistently sleeping that i'm I am regular and I'm like, I know exactly where I'm at.
01:10:59
Felicia Devine
Just for like fun. Yeah. Yeah. You're so regular. Yeah. Yeah.
01:11:09
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
01:11:12
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah.
01:11:12
Natalie Richards
So am I curious still?
01:11:13
Felicia Devine
So I'll be sharing.
01:11:14
Natalie Richards
Maybe. And if honestly, if I notice any little changes, like if I'm noticing length of cycle changes, I will, but I'm like dead on 28 days.
01:11:18
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
01:11:23
Natalie Richards
Like
01:11:26
Natalie Richards
Dead on.
01:11:27
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
01:11:27
Natalie Richards
So I don't even...
01:11:28
Felicia Devine
You don't need to mess with anything.
01:11:29
Natalie Richards
i don't want to mess with it.
01:11:30
Felicia Devine
You don't over track it.
01:11:32
Natalie Richards
No.
01:11:32
Felicia Devine
I'm just more so doing it for like curiosity. And because I'm trying to get pregnant, I'm interested.
01:11:34
Natalie Richards
For sure. Mm-hmm.
01:11:37
Felicia Devine
Like, am I missing a little key? I'm going to start taking Vitex.
01:11:40
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And you said you're kind of at like 27-ish consistent or maybe even 26 days.
01:11:42
Felicia Devine
I'm going and to do a little for sure. 26 27, depending on when I get that drop.
01:11:51
Natalie Richards
So it may just be that you're like...
01:11:51
Felicia Devine
But can even share with you too my my previous few temp swings.
01:11:53
Natalie Richards
But then when...
01:11:57
Natalie Richards
Yeah. I'm curious.
01:11:59
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
01:12:00
Natalie Richards
I'm curious.
01:12:00
Felicia Devine
Beyond the one that
01:12:01
Natalie Richards
I'm curious, honestly, within a month, the Vitex should change that.
01:12:04
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah.
01:12:05
Natalie Richards
But not, you have to start it at like the beginning of a cycle. So, which is coming up.
01:12:08
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Which is coming up soon.
01:12:10
Natalie Richards
So, I mean, you could start it now too, but.
01:12:10
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But to see like the impact.
01:12:15
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm.
01:12:16
Felicia Devine
Yeah. So we'll keep you posted.
01:12:17
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm.
01:12:18
Felicia Devine
We'll update you. So maybe next episode we can go into another topic around this kind of stuff, but it's fun.
01:12:24
Natalie Richards
Something similar. Yeah. People have been really interested.
01:12:26
Felicia Devine
We know so much about it. Yeah.
01:12:28
Natalie Richards
i think we truthfully know maybe more. i'm not even going to say maybe more. We know more than the average OBGYN.
01:12:37
Felicia Devine
We apply more.
01:12:38
Natalie Richards
We apply more.
01:12:38
Felicia Devine
i would say we apply more than the average md in most regards.
01:12:42
Natalie Richards
Yeah. Yeah. And we know how to fix things.
01:12:47
Felicia Devine
Yeah. And even...
01:12:48
Natalie Richards
So it's just a different perspective.
01:12:50
Felicia Devine
Gosh, i have bones to pick. I mean, just like when I order x-rays on a patient, I show the patient the x-rays and they're like, oh, I've never seen something like this before.
01:12:57
Natalie Richards
Isn't that wild?
01:12:58
Felicia Devine
I'm like, you've had imaging and mean you've never seen it.
01:12:59
Natalie Richards
I know.
01:13:01
Felicia Devine
They just tell you you have degeneration.
01:13:01
Natalie Richards
I know.
01:13:03
Felicia Devine
You don't even know what that means.
01:13:04
Natalie Richards
It's actually wild. Mm-hmm.
01:13:05
Felicia Devine
I'm like, this is degeneration. This is what it means. This is a sign of it. This is what your body's trying to accomplish with degenerating and creating osteophytes.
01:13:14
Natalie Richards
right?
01:13:14
Felicia Devine
Like, what does it mean?
01:13:14
Natalie Richards
This is what's happening. I know people don't know.
01:13:16
Felicia Devine
I'm like, oh, cheaper's.
01:13:17
Natalie Richards
They say, oh yeah, I have degeneration in my spine. I'm like, oh, do you know what that means?
01:13:21
Felicia Devine
Do you know what that means?
01:13:24
Natalie Richards
Half of my job is just explaining people's bodies.
01:13:27
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
01:13:27
Natalie Richards
stuff
01:13:28
Felicia Devine
Yeah. I'm like, here is anatomy.
01:13:29
Natalie Richards
The adjustment is like the smallest piece.
01:13:32
Felicia Devine
I know. I know. Being the actual chiropractor in application is like a fraction of what we do.
01:13:35
Natalie Richards
Oh my gosh. Mm-hmm.
01:13:40
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm.
01:13:41
Felicia Devine
But
01:13:41
Natalie Richards
So many times people will say, oh, I have like a degenerative hip. And I go, oh, so you have arthritis in your hip. And they go, what? I don't have arthritis.
01:13:48
Felicia Devine
I don't have arthritis.
01:13:50
Natalie Richards
It's like, well, you do.
01:13:53
Felicia Devine
You do.
01:13:55
Natalie Richards
And sometimes I wish that they would just like tell people that more so people know what they're dealing with.
01:14:00
Felicia Devine
Yes, yes.
01:14:00
Natalie Richards
They just think, oh, degeneration. Okay.
01:14:02
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
01:14:03
Natalie Richards
I'm walking around with degeneration. Nobody knows what that means.
01:14:04
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
01:14:06
Natalie Richards
If there's arthritis, maybe people will do something about it
01:14:07
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
01:14:10
Natalie Richards
Not that there's a ton you can do about it at that point, but okay.
01:14:10
Felicia Devine
Right, right.
01:14:13
Felicia Devine
Well, anyway. All right, until next time. We'll
01:14:16
Natalie Richards
Okay.
01:14:20
Felicia Devine
see later.
01:14:22
Natalie Richards
Bye.
01:14:22
Felicia Devine
Bye.