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Felicia Devine: Hello and welcome back to a long-awaited episode 12.
Natalie Richards: It has been so long since we have talked.
Felicia Devine: We took spring break.
Natalie Richards: We did. we took a two-week spring break.
Felicia Devine: Yeah, we can call it that.
Natalie Richards: It was it was necessary, but also forced, but also just kind how life goes.
Felicia Devine: <unk> Life happened.
Natalie Richards: Life happened and a lot of things happened for both of us in the past couple weeks.
Felicia Devine: Life was busy. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
Natalie Richards: So, oh my God, these dogs, do you hear them?
Felicia Devine: I do.
Natalie Richards: I, that's what I was trying to fix on my microphone because it's supposed to block out all that noise.
Felicia Devine: i don't know if...
Felicia Devine: It might, though, when we hit finalize.
Natalie Richards: Maybe when it actually, maybe it when it finalizes, because
Felicia Devine: Yeah, because I can hear them.
Natalie Richards: let's hope, let's hope that everybody can't hear the dogs.
Felicia Devine: but If they're not hearing the dogs, they're definitely hearing me chomp on watermelon and pineapple right now.
Natalie Richards: Okay. That's true.
Natalie Richards: Can't forget about that.
Felicia Devine: Yes.
Natalie Richards: Okay.
Felicia Devine: Okay. Okay.
Natalie Richards: Also, the fact that you were just eating egg salad is like, I think like every pregnant woman in the world is saying, what the hell are you doing?
Felicia Devine: I was laying down. was like resting before I had to nurse Sepp for his nap because like that's a non-negotiable. So like no matter what I'm doing in my life, if he has to go to bed, I have to be there to nurse him.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: so I'm like, okay, I'm resting, i'm resting. And then I was like, I need egg salad right now.
Natalie Richards: That cracks me up.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: and like, she used have like the egg cutter.
Natalie Richards: Yeah, makes it very easy.
Felicia Devine: Very easy. I didn't have that. So here I am.
Natalie Richards: Okay.
Felicia Devine: Holly homemaker puts up to sleep. I'm chopping up hot pickles, red onion, boiling my eggs, putting them in their little ice bath.
Natalie Richards: You didn't even have the eggs boiled yet.
Natalie Richards: So you went in through the whole thing.
Felicia Devine: No, it was like, no, literally I texted Natalie at like 120 and I was like, or like 110. And I was like, I'm making egg salad.
Natalie Richards: It was like, yeah, was like one.
Felicia Devine: Hopefully we'll be ready on time. I was making it from like scratch. Like the chicken had just birthed the egg, like scratch.
Natalie Richards: Amazing. Yes.
Felicia Devine: So then i'm putting in all these ingredients. I mean, it kind of, at the end of the day, sounds gross. Like it just was like a mod podge of stuff.
Natalie Richards: No, that's what egg salad is.
Felicia Devine: And then I needed, like love a crunch with my egg salad. Like it has to have like a cracker, a chip.
Natalie Richards: Same. Same.
Felicia Devine: Well, the only crunch we had in our pantry, oh my God, I'm gonna throw up talking about it, is Ruffles. I don't even know who bought those.
Natalie Richards: Whatever.
Felicia Devine: I honestly think they're old. I've never seen them. I found them.
Natalie Richards: hu
Felicia Devine: And then Dan goes, ruffles. I go, I don't know, Dan. I just needed a crunch. And a popcorn wasn't going to do it.
Natalie Richards: Yep. No, no, no, no. Soggy egg salad popcorn.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: e
Felicia Devine: Yeah. Ew. So he's like, okay. He's like, you did have crackers in your your lunchbox. And i was like, oh, I thought I left them at work yesterday or a Thursday. But I could have just used my nice crackers.
Felicia Devine: But no, I used crackers.
Natalie Richards: That is so funny.
Felicia Devine: seed oil, uh, ruffles.
Natalie Richards: Oh, well.
Felicia Devine: And now I'm eating fresh pineapple and watermelon that Dan just brought me from the store.
Natalie Richards: I love it. I love it. So give us a little update about how you're what, eight, nine weeks now? Eight weeks?
Felicia Devine: Not even girl.
Natalie Richards: Not even?
Felicia Devine: I'm seven and a half.
Natalie Richards: Seven? Seven and a half. Okay. okay no
Felicia Devine: Oh,
Natalie Richards: Tell us, give us a little update on your your first trimester of life.
Felicia Devine: Okay. Life was so smooth, so easy, and so vibrant until I literally the day I hit seven weeks. So like five days ago.
Natalie Richards: Mm-hmm. You know what? That's better than most people can say.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. Yeah. So I made it to seven weeks. And honestly, I'm not doing too bad.
Natalie Richards: That's pretty good.
Felicia Devine: I'm really not.
Natalie Richards: No, no.
Felicia Devine: Because like when I'm down, I'm down.
Natalie Richards: You're very functional still.
Felicia Devine: When I'm up, I'm fine. Like right now, I forget I'm pregnant.
Natalie Richards: Incredible. Incredible.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. But when I'm down, I'm like down for the count.
Natalie Richards: Mm-hmm.
Felicia Devine: And I've been having low – it's exhaustion and it's like low blood pressure.
Natalie Richards: But it's more like exhaustion. Yeah. Yeah.
Felicia Devine: which I've never had. I've never had low blood pressure my whole life.
Natalie Richards: Well, why don't you tell us what Google said about that?
Felicia Devine: So I texted my midwife and I go low blood pressure help.
Natalie Richards: Or what you're not
Felicia Devine: What do I do? I feel like I'm going die.
Natalie Richards: saying?
Felicia Devine: I had to crawl. I had to crawl up my staircase the other day.
Natalie Richards: You did not.
Felicia Devine: i did. Cause I was so weak from low blood pressure and I stopped like every like fifth stair and just like stopped and like laid flat.
Natalie Richards: oh Felicia.
Felicia Devine: And then I got to the landing and I laid on the landing for a while.
Natalie Richards: What?
Felicia Devine: And then I finally made it to the bed and i had Dan call my brother to bring over a blood pressure cuff because I don't have one at my house.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: And they like dropped one off right away. But it had been like maybe 10-ish minutes since I had been in bed. and My blood pressure was still 90 over 60, which is low for me.
Natalie Richards: Wow. 90
Felicia Devine: I'm usually 120 like easily.
Natalie Richards: over 60 is very, yeah, very much well.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. And I had been horizontal for 10 minutes.
Natalie Richards: Wow.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. So I was like not doing too hot. That was Sunday. it got a little bit better Monday. It was, but it's been riding at a hundred, like a hundred over like 72, a hundred over 68.
Natalie Richards: And you were,
Felicia Devine: Like it's just like low 100. And I'm, well,
Natalie Richards: was that when you were sick? Like, or do you think that is your, was what you were sick with?
Felicia Devine: that might've been it because I never threw, I was dry heaving.
Natalie Richards: It's just, yeah.
Felicia Devine: I was like very nauseous. My ears were ringing. Like I was, I felt, I had a fever that whole night, but then nothing came out of me either direction.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: And i like was fine.
Natalie Richards: Maybe you're still getting over whatever that fever situation was.
Felicia Devine: i couldn't tell you what it is though.
Natalie Richards: and don't know.
Felicia Devine: I, it like, it's so odd. Cause I literally like after i did that in the morning, like I pretty much recovered
Natalie Richards: Weird, except for the blood pressure.
Felicia Devine: But my blood pressure is just like low. So my midwife said that in the first trimester you get a surge of the progesterone, which is like that hormone that vasodilates you. So your blood vessels just like get bigger.
Natalie Richards: Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Felicia Devine: So that could be why I'm having low blood pressure. Yeah.
Natalie Richards: I remember having like some lightheaded, like weird things where I'm like, oh, I could probably pass out right now.
Felicia Devine: yeah
Natalie Richards: And then I kind of like yeah like shake myself out of it.
Felicia Devine: Yeah, I'm like,
Natalie Richards: I'm like, no, we're fine.
Felicia Devine: mine mind comes in extreme, extreme weakness.
Natalie Richards: Okay.
Felicia Devine: Can't hold my head up.
Natalie Richards: You're just like done.
Felicia Devine: Can't use my torso.
Natalie Richards: Okay.
Felicia Devine: Like, I, like, fold in half.
Natalie Richards: Oh my gosh.
Felicia Devine: Yeah, it's really weird. Like, I was, when I had to end up crawling upstairs, I was, like, folded in half at the table. Like, I couldn't even lift my head up.
Natalie Richards: Oh.
Felicia Devine: I was, like, l on the table. was on the table.
Natalie Richards: Okay, what do we do about this?
Felicia Devine: I don't know. So... My midwife was like, I'm on my way to a birth. I'll get back to you. So we'll see.
Natalie Richards: Oh my goodness, okay.
Felicia Devine: yeah
Natalie Richards: And then Google said that that's, you know, twins.
Felicia Devine: Yeah, Google said that's more prominent in people who are having twins. And I was like, oh, that's funny. What's saying?
Natalie Richards: Can I tell you, I muscle test for you every day.
Felicia Devine: What's it saying?
Natalie Richards: Every day it says twins, every single day.
Felicia Devine: I will say, Natalie, I had one baby dream when I was pregnant with Giuseppe.
Natalie Richards: who
Felicia Devine: One. I, like, don't dream about the baby. I don't i don't ever have baby dreams. I had a baby dream the other night, and I'm pregnant with twins.
Natalie Richards: Interesting.
Felicia Devine: It was twins. It is twins.
Natalie Richards: thank Pretty sure.
Felicia Devine: So,
Natalie Richards: Your first baby dream with Sep, was that just a one baby dream?
Felicia Devine: yeah, and it was that I – did you?
Natalie Richards: Because I had a twin baby dream when I was in my first... Dang this vacuum now.
Felicia Devine: Natalie's Roomba.
Natalie Richards: The robot. The robot.
Felicia Devine: Roomba's out to get her
Natalie Richards: decided that right now was the best time to start again after I started it four hours ago.
Felicia Devine: oh
Felicia Devine: Did you really?
Natalie Richards: Yes. It's been charging apparently for this whole time and it decided it needed to go again.
Natalie Richards: It'll it'll move away from this area in a second. But yes, I muscle test you every single day. Felicia, okay. Are you one pregnant with twins? Yes. One baby? No. One baby's like a no.
Natalie Richards: Two babies? Absolutely. And I do it every day. Okay.
Felicia Devine: Oh, no, I'm itching, itching to get an early ultrasound. And I i might, because I never had an itch to get an early one with sep.
Natalie Richards: Oh, are you going to do it?
Felicia Devine: I didn't even think twice. I was like, we're not, we don't do ultrasounds.
Natalie Richards: know, but you would be able to detect two heartbeats on a Doppler soon enough anyway, sooner than a 20 week ultrasound.
Felicia Devine: Possibly, but you only see your midwife every, like my first time I'm gonna see her is at 10 and then I'm gonna see her 14.
Natalie Richards: I know. Is that 10 and 14? don't know.
Natalie Richards: know
Felicia Devine: But I don't know, I mean, I'm not, right, like a little like, yeah, hot and fast.
Natalie Richards: You could go do a quick little ultrasound, like a you go into a little independent place and they say, just tell me if there's one or two. OK, two minutes in and out.
Felicia Devine: in and out but i i don't know i just like i'm kind of itching to do it
Natalie Richards: You can do whatever you feel is right for you. that Those like initial ones, they're so fast. It's not a huge deal. It's the longer ones with the color Doppler and all the other crap that they do.
Felicia Devine: right right so i might i might do it and like you can just walk and not walk in but you can call like independent clinics can't you
Natalie Richards: That's the problem. So
Natalie Richards: yeah, you can just go. Yeah, absolutely. That's what I did.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. So I might do that. I don't know. I'm kind of itching.
Natalie Richards: I'm so curious.
Felicia Devine: i know. Me too.
Natalie Richards: I'm so oh curious.
Felicia Devine: But, oh, the other thing is like, I kind of already have a little belly, which is crazy.
Natalie Richards: Right. Like exactly.
Felicia Devine: Come on. Crazy.
Natalie Richards: Exactly. Seven weeks, even with a second, a second pregnancy, like that really shouldn't.
Felicia Devine: a little tiny belly.
Felicia Devine: No.
Natalie Richards: Some people do, but not yet. No, no.
Felicia Devine: But no. I have a little pooch. And even in the morning when I wake up, like fresh from bed,
Natalie Richards: Oh, word.
Felicia Devine: Mm-hmm. So, and I know it's not the egg salad speaking.
Natalie Richards: It's not the XL.
Felicia Devine: That's before I even put that in my body.
Natalie Richards: Oh, no, I'm pretty confident.
Felicia Devine: So, I don't know.
Natalie Richards: I'm pretty confident.
Felicia Devine: Yeah, me too.
Natalie Richards: We'll see. Mm-hmm.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. So, you guys will all be the first know when I get my ultrasound.
Natalie Richards: So funny. Oh my gosh. Okay, so you're in general feeling okay, like you're eating things well, you're having a little hard time with pills, which little ick.
Felicia Devine: Mm-hmm.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. Yeah.
Felicia Devine: A little just as far as like, I just don't want to do it, but I have not gagged.
Natalie Richards: Yes.
Felicia Devine: I have not thrown up.
Natalie Richards: Amazing. It just doesn't feel like you want to.
Felicia Devine: I'm just like, I don't want to do it.
Natalie Richards: Fair enough.
Felicia Devine: I just keep putting it off.
Natalie Richards: Fair enough.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. So I usually end up taking my pills at like 830 at night.
Natalie Richards: Fine.
Natalie Richards: Oh, and then you feel like crud.
Felicia Devine: and then i And then I have a water a water belly because I have to take so much water in to swallow my pills.
Natalie Richards: Oh, at that point, you just just skip it. It's okay. get
Felicia Devine: No, because I'm convinced that they're actually helping me.
Natalie Richards: Okay.
Felicia Devine: I mean, they are, but like I'm convinced they're helping me not feel as terrible.
Natalie Richards: The nutrients, yeah.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: well And that is probably true.
Felicia Devine: I don't know.
Natalie Richards: Oh, boy.
Felicia Devine: But I do take this at Liquid Omega and it's like peach smoothie.
Natalie Richards: Oh, ish. Oh, ish.
Felicia Devine: And the peach smoothie is great until about two after.
Natalie Richards: And then you burp it back up.
Felicia Devine: And then it's pure krill oil, right? I'm like, what is going on? Like the peach smoothie hits so hard.
Natalie Richards: Ew.
Felicia Devine: It's like so good until like you smack your lips twice.
Natalie Richards: just I can't taste it too hard.
Felicia Devine: And then and then it's and then it's fish oil. And I'm like, they tricked me
Natalie Richards: Gross.
Felicia Devine: And you to take a full tablespoon. So I'm just like gargling that down.
Natalie Richards: Gross. Okay.
Felicia Devine: And then i take my, oh, the other thing, Natalie, is I take my phosphatidylcholine.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: But instead of getting capsules this time, i got a liquid.
Natalie Richards: Oh, you got the liquid. Is that better?
Felicia Devine: It's not a liquid.
Natalie Richards: Worse? It's a thick, she's a thick, thick girl.
Felicia Devine: It's not a liquid, friends. She's a molasses.
Natalie Richards: okay
Felicia Devine: She's thick and they don't they don't flavor her.
Natalie Richards: And it's a disgusting, like I can taste it through the capsule.
Felicia Devine: oh it's like, it's and I'm like,
Natalie Richards: I'm like,
Felicia Devine: Yeah. I have to use my tongue and lick it out of the half teaspoon. I'm like, and it's like a bolus because it's a molasses.
Natalie Richards: Ew.
Felicia Devine: And I'm like, I'm basically just swallowing a naked capsule because it's so, and why didn't they flavor it?
Natalie Richards: It's thick.
Natalie Richards: Yes.
Felicia Devine: Why didn't they do something nice?
Natalie Richards: Yuck. Because they're, you know, even though they're big, I feel like they're fairly easy.
Felicia Devine: I made a mistake. So next time I'm getting the capsules again,
Felicia Devine: they're slippery.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: They're very slippery. That's the body bio, the, the PC.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: Right.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: So.
Natalie Richards: Yeah. That one I've always said it was like, liquid, not for me. Nope. Not in that.
Felicia Devine: No, because it's not a liquid. It's it's a naked gel cap.
Natalie Richards: No. Mm-hmm. I don't even know what it would, it's like, Gelatin mixed with oil mixed with, it I don't know what texture it is.
Felicia Devine: I don't even know what the ingredients are. I don't want to know.
Natalie Richards: i don't know what to like equate it to, but it's not.
Felicia Devine: It's not good. It's not good.
Natalie Richards: No, thank you.
Felicia Devine: So that was a mistake made, but I have to finish it.
Natalie Richards: No, thank you. That's all right.
Felicia Devine: So it's fine.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: And then i started taking the heart and soil protein powder.
Natalie Richards: Nice. Do you like it?
Felicia Devine: Yeah. So, yeah, it's chocolate salt. And then Danny adds peanut butter in.
Natalie Richards: Oh, nice.
Felicia Devine: So that's good.
Natalie Richards: Nice. Love it.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. But I can like still eat. I can still function. I'm just dog tired.
Natalie Richards: Good. I'd say that's a win.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: That's great.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: And tiredness. Yeah. If you're have really growing twin babies in there, i'd say tiredness is probably pretty normal.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: Should be expected.
Natalie Richards: Holy cow. I can't even believe it.
Felicia Devine: i know. I know. So anyway, how are you, Natalie? You have a lot to catch us up on.
Natalie Richards: I've had a big, I've had a big, like couple weeks, very big couple weeks.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. Fill us in.
Natalie Richards: A i had like a weird fever. mold sickness again. Like it was basically identical to when like five years ago when I was in my apartment and had the mold sickness, it was literally the exact illness minus like I could breathe.
Felicia Devine: Did you? Wait, really? Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Felicia Devine: What?
Natalie Richards: I could breathe this time and I could swallow a little bit.
Felicia Devine: What?
Natalie Richards: So it was like the same like neck swelling, like crazy lymph node swelling, like back of my throat, like inside of my throat.
Felicia Devine: Really? Mm-hmm. Okay.
Natalie Richards: but I haven't had anything like that type of sickness in literally five years. Every other time I've gotten sick, minorly, it's been like sinus up here, which also was odd for me.
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Natalie Richards: So this was like a totally different, like something threw me over the edge.
Felicia Devine: What in the world?
Natalie Richards: For one night, maybe for like three hours, I had... I had a fever that was like my legs were literally burning off. Like I was so hot.
Natalie Richards: Like I don't take my temperature, but it was for sure 104, 105.
Felicia Devine: What? Yeah.
Natalie Richards: Like i no question in my mind.
Felicia Devine: Oh my gosh.
Natalie Richards: It was like hot, hot.
Felicia Devine: a
Natalie Richards: And I already run like hot. And I was like, I'm literally, my skin is singeing.
Felicia Devine: whoa
Felicia Devine: Burning.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: so that was quick though. It was quick.
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Natalie Richards: Like it was over, but then I stayed. sick, like not sick, sick, but just I could, I stayed very swollen in my whole neck and throat for like, honestly, it still is like somewhat there.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: And it's been almost two weeks.
Felicia Devine: Wow. a
Natalie Richards: Yeah. yeah It's been almost, almost two weeks.
Felicia Devine: Oh my gosh. Mm-hmm.
Natalie Richards: So in the heat of that, I had an appointment scheduled with the naturopath that was my mom's Lyme doctor.
Felicia Devine: Mm-hmm.
Natalie Richards: So that's who she's gone to for years and years and years detects like minuscule amounts of, of Lyme if it's there for her or whatever. So she can treat it again and whatever. So it's not like a blood test situation. It's not a,
Natalie Richards: hair analysis. It's just like what's in your system energetically. So it's very similar to my muscle testing that I do, but it's on like a grand scale.
Felicia Devine: Whoa.
Natalie Richards: So he's using a computer program and you're holding these like probes and then like the energy and the frequencies are being tested against your body. So like he can test thousands of different things at a time and figure out like
Felicia Devine: whoa Wow.
Natalie Richards: exactly what particular bacteria or whatever is is in your system causing a problem at that moment. And then figure out against the whole database of supplements on Fullscript or otherwise, like what is the actual one thing or two things or whatever you need to fix this the best out of anything.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: Right.
Natalie Richards: So I needed this specificity for my own sanity because i've i could have gone down but and I have gone down a gazillion rabbit holes and I've treated a lot of the things that I've had and i I'm doing pretty good.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. Right. Because you could have gone down like a gazillion rabbit holes.
Felicia Devine: Mm-hmm.
Natalie Richards: Like on paper, I'm like,
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: I'm pretty good.
Felicia Devine: Right.
Natalie Richards: Hormones are good. Like skin is good.
Felicia Devine: Mm-hmm.
Natalie Richards: Bowels are good. Like liver is good. All this stuff is really good, but I feel stuck and I feel stagnant.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: and I was pretty much spot on with everything I had muscle tested. went into this and I said, pretty sure I have these things. And everything was pretty much...
Natalie Richards: exactly what I thought.
Felicia Devine: Okay. Tell us.
Natalie Richards: So i get there. i'm like, okay, I had, i did, I don't know if I ever told you this. I had this weird spider bite like three years ago that kind of like took my symptoms and like brought it to the next level.
Felicia Devine: No. Okay.
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Natalie Richards: So it was like, it was kind of around that same time that I started really feeling crappy.
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Natalie Richards: So it was kind of like all coincided with like, Stopping breastfeeding, got this weird spider bite on my butt.
Felicia Devine: Oh.
Natalie Richards: It was this weird thing and it like bubbled.
Felicia Devine: Oh.
Natalie Richards: It was like bubbly pussy and it was probably about the size of a quarter.
Felicia Devine: Oh my gosh.
Natalie Richards: And it was not good. And then a year after, the same exact thing reemerged. in the exact same place and the exact same thing.
Felicia Devine: Oh.
Natalie Richards: i don't think it was bit again.
Felicia Devine: What?
Natalie Richards: i think it was literally just like purging again.
Felicia Devine: A poison. Yeah.
Natalie Richards: I don't know. I don't know. To this day, I don't know. And I don't go to the doctor. i told them I'm like, i don't I don't know what it was. i didn't get it tested.
Felicia Devine: Right. Right.
Natalie Richards: I'm not going to put cortisone cream on going to do?
Felicia Devine: Right. Mm-hmm.
Natalie Richards: So I'll treat it myself.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: Mm-hmm.
Natalie Richards: So he was testing. I was telling him just like general snippets of my history. Not really like the whole thing, but things that were relevant.
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: But I had the mold exposure five years ago. I also had a mold exposure when I was two because the house we grew up in had black mold in the basement for like a while while while we were living there.
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Felicia Devine: Oh gosh.
Felicia Devine: Oh.
Natalie Richards: So that that kind of set me up at least for like some of the symptoms I've had for a very long time. So this is kind of a deep, this is a really deep like situation.
Natalie Richards: so I've always had post-nasal drip.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: I've always like cleared my throat a million times that it just never really like goes away.
Felicia Devine: Okay. Okay.
Natalie Richards: That's always been me.
Felicia Devine: Mm-hmm.
Natalie Richards: I've always had like chronic strep, not strep throat, but like throat throat things.
Felicia Devine: Infections.
Natalie Richards: Yeah. Just like if I got sick, it was a sore throat always.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Natalie Richards: That has been different in the past three years.
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Natalie Richards: So it's been very odd that it's been a shift in my immune system a little bit.
Felicia Devine: Mm-hmm. Wow. Wow.
Natalie Richards: so five years ago had the major mold exposure at my apartment. What else did I tell him? And then I had the, then I got pregnant, felt amazing, lost tons of weight also by,
Felicia Devine: Mm-hmm.
Natalie Richards: After I had the mold exposure, I lost like 30 pounds and that's when I got pregnant.
Felicia Devine: Did you really?
Natalie Richards: Yeah, like it was because I couldn't eat for a month.
Felicia Devine: oh Because you couldn't swallow?
Natalie Richards: I literally could not eat like at all.
Felicia Devine: Mm-hmm.
Natalie Richards: So i my body did like a major detox, which we talked about. So I at least detoxed like that part, that immediate mold exposure, and then got pregnant like a couple months later, stayed metabolically so healthy, felt amazing.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: breastfed, felt amazing postpartum, like incredible, lost every bit of weight that I that i gained during pregnancy.
Felicia Devine: hey
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: Then I was literally looking at my scale because I track like a body scale, like a body composition scale, and I've done it for like at least five to six years.
Felicia Devine: Oh. Yeah.
Felicia Devine: Oh, wow.
Natalie Richards: So I've like, I looked at it and it it was like really consistent until literally like, well, it would be three years ago.
Felicia Devine: Mm-hmm.
Natalie Richards: and it jumped up like drastically.
Felicia Devine: Wow.
Natalie Richards: And it was all coincided with that spider bite or whatever bite it was, I don't even know.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: Right.
Natalie Richards: Spider bite, stopping breastfeeding and not sleeping essentially, having a baby.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. Yeah.
Natalie Richards: so it was like all this like nervous system dysregulation, potentially an immune dysregulation from a bite and hormone.
Felicia Devine: Mm-hmm.
Felicia Devine: Mm-hmm.
Felicia Devine: Right.
Felicia Devine: Mm-hmm.
Natalie Richards: it's all this stuff that kind of happened at the same time. And I had literally, i kid you not, I've gained 30 pounds, maybe even more, 40 probably since that moment.
Felicia Devine: Wow.
Felicia Devine: Really?
Natalie Richards: So like I lost it all postpartum, hadn't gained it.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: And then immediately within a year I had, I had gained like 40 and it's just never budged.
Felicia Devine: Really?
Natalie Richards: never budged. No matter what I do dietarily, could cut fat.
Felicia Devine: Mm-hmm.
Natalie Richards: I could cut calories. I could go carnivore. I could cut dairy.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: I could cut gluten. It literally doesn't budge.
Felicia Devine: Mm-hmm.
Natalie Richards: So that's my story. Okay. So I go into this guy and I've been trying, I've been, I mean, the things I've done over the past three years, like I should be losing inflammation and losing weight.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: Well, and you're you're like working out and like you're doing all the things.
Natalie Richards: Yes. And then that's the other part is i can't I can't work out more than one or two times a week without getting sick, without getting a sore throat.
Felicia Devine: Right. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Natalie Richards: So that was his other thing. He's like, yeah, that's not, that certainly should not be happening.
Felicia Devine: Right.
Natalie Richards: I'm like, yeah, no kidding.
Felicia Devine: Right.
Natalie Richards: It shouldn't be happening.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: So that's all like my big weird story. Yeah.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: So right now it's really my persistent sicknesses that are just mostly mild until this past couple weeks.
Felicia Devine: Right.
Natalie Richards: And like, usually they last maybe a day or two and then it's done and I'm good.
Natalie Richards: So that was kind of an interesting sickness over the last couple of weeks.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: And then the pretty much like non-responsive weight gain for no, also no reason.
Felicia Devine: That's crazy.
Natalie Richards: Like when that happened, I didn't change my diet.
Felicia Devine: Right.
Natalie Richards: I didn't, it's not like I have no, and I actually have stopped.
Felicia Devine: It wasn't like you were like drinking heavily and. Yeah.
Natalie Richards: I had stopped drinking entirely. So I had really like, if anything, I'm way cleaner than I was back then.
Felicia Devine: yeah
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: So it's just persistent. It just, and it won't go away. So I, and in my mind, I'm like, I know a this is not a calorie issue.
Felicia Devine: Wow.
Felicia Devine: Mm-hmm.
Natalie Richards: Like I, I, I'm not going to go do a calorie deficit to go lose weight so I can stress my body more.
Felicia Devine: Mm-hmm. Right.
Natalie Richards: This isn't, this isn't an overeating calorie problem.
Felicia Devine: Right. It's already stressed enough.
Natalie Richards: It's already stressed.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Natalie Richards: So I'm like, I'm not doing that because A, it's not going to work and it's not worth the stress. B, okay, could try, I suppose, a GLP-1, but I also, this is not a GLP-1 issue.
Felicia Devine: Mm-mm.
Natalie Richards: so maybe that could help me maybe a little, but it probably still wouldn't. I would, I could guarantee that it probably still would not help me in the way that it does for some people, you know?
Felicia Devine: Like, yeah. Yeah.
Natalie Richards: So I'm like, I'm going to figure this out and I'm going to heal myself and I'm going to lose this weight without really even trying. And that's kind of what I'm thinking.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. Good.
Natalie Richards: Okay.
Felicia Devine: I love it.
Natalie Richards: So that's my plan.
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Natalie Richards: And that sounds insane for people who, you know, are in like the weight loss world.
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Natalie Richards: I don't care. It doesn't matter. doesn't matter. Okay.
Felicia Devine: It doesn't matter.
Natalie Richards: so we went to, went to this naturopath. he's going through all the testing. It takes an hour and a half to like go through this whole system.
Felicia Devine: Wow.
Felicia Devine: Mm-hmm.
Natalie Richards: And it's, it's fascinating because it's exactly what I do. It's just on a technological scale.
Felicia Devine: Like, right. Like an elevated database.
Natalie Richards: So it's, yeah. Yeah. So I'm like, I mean, you don't have to tell me how this works. I get it.
Felicia Devine: Right.
Natalie Richards: Like, it's I believe it.
Felicia Devine: You're like, I believe.
Natalie Richards: Let's do it. Show me what's there. So the first things that come up
Felicia Devine: Is it affordable?
Natalie Richards: I it was like I think that first appointment's like two hundred and fifty dollars.
Felicia Devine: Oh yeah, totally doable.
Natalie Richards: So that I mean, essentially, yeah, yeah.
Felicia Devine: Was it hard to get into?
Natalie Richards: Very doable. Yeah. He's super busy.
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Natalie Richards: and So it took at least. Oh, gosh. It took at least two months to get an appointment.
Felicia Devine: Okay. Okay.
Natalie Richards: m
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: And then it's pretty much you can maybe get in every nine to ten weeks for a follow up like it's it's.
Felicia Devine: Wow. Yeah.
Natalie Richards: pretty, pretty tight.
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Natalie Richards: I'm trying to get him to come to my office. So we're going to work on that where he's going to come and like, hopefully be at my office.
Felicia Devine: Yes.
Natalie Richards: We'll see.
Felicia Devine: Yes.
Natalie Richards: We'll see. We'll see. Okay. So he's going through his whole system. He has different ways of, of evaluating things. So at first I think he was testing organs just for like, like strength of organs, health of organs, whatever.
Felicia Devine: Mm-hmm.
Natalie Richards: Everything was pretty good. except for like my adrenal was stressed, which, okay.
Felicia Devine: Mm-hmm.
Natalie Richards: Yeah, I could have told you that, but it wasn't even that bad. So he says, honestly, most people are around an eight or a nine and that's like, he's never seen higher than that.
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Natalie Richards: That's why I'm six out of, in terms of health of my adrenal.
Felicia Devine: okay Okay.
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Natalie Richards: So we're doing like a couple of things to help with adrenal health and mitochondrial health and all of that. And then mold came up, obviously. and mold was...
Felicia Devine: here
Natalie Richards: in terms of like toxicity, it's an eight out of 10 on the toxicity level in my body, along with biotoxins, which is mycotoxins and like the the actual like problematic thing that comes off of mold and is typically indicator indicating that there's like an active mold exposure happening currently.
Felicia Devine: Whoa. Okay.
Felicia Devine: Oh no
Natalie Richards: So that's something I have to figure out. But that was also an eight. out of 10 in terms of body burden.
Felicia Devine: Severity.
Natalie Richards: Yeah. So mold and biotoxins, those were kind of like the main ones.
Felicia Devine: Mm-hmm.
Natalie Richards: And then plasmodia came up, which is like a parasite, which of course, of course that came up. And then Lyme came up and Bartonella came up and brucellosis came up, which my brother had back in the day too.
Felicia Devine: Wait, brucellosis comes from Bruce the bruce the cat.
Natalie Richards: Brucela. the cat. Uh-huh. But it's also like buffalo, buffalo carry brucellosis. I only know that from Yellowstone.
Felicia Devine: Oh, okay. I'm like trying to remember my microbiology tricks.
Natalie Richards: I know.
Felicia Devine: I'm like, Bruce the cat.
Natalie Richards: So Borrelia, Borrelia burgdorferi is live.
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Natalie Richards: And then I had Bartonella henselay, which is Bart the cat. Also cat scratch fever is Bart.
Felicia Devine: Oh, maybe it was Bart the cat and then Bruce.
Natalie Richards: But then I think Bruce, Bruce the sheep. Isn't it brucellosis sheep?
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Natalie Richards: Hi, buddy. Oh, can i can I kiss it? Okay, come here. Let me kiss it. Come here.
Natalie Richards: Oh, all better. Okay, I'll see you. Can you close the door? Thank you. Love you.
Natalie Richards: So i'm trying to remember if there were ready any other things. There were a couple other things, but those were the main, but Lyme and Bartonella were like lower.
Felicia Devine: Oh my gosh, Nat.
Natalie Richards: So that it was like a 3.5 and a 2.5, which is good.
Felicia Devine: Okay. Which is good.
Natalie Richards: And honestly, i' i could have had that forever.
Felicia Devine: Right.
Natalie Richards: i don't know. I could have had that for so long and my body's just kind of like used to it.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Natalie Richards: The whole point of all of this is not to like even eliminate all this stuff entirely. It's just to help the body...
Felicia Devine: Burden.
Natalie Richards: it's to lower the body burden and balance things out because you should have a balance between parasites, bacteria, and mold. And mold and bacteria are kind of always these freaking dogs.
Natalie Richards: I'm just gonna then send them away.
Felicia Devine: Let them out.
Natalie Richards: I'm gonna send them away. Bacteria and mold have always been like fighting against each other forever, literally since the beginning of time. So now that we have sanitized the crap out of everything over the past five years for bacteria mold is really starting to become a problem and it's becoming a problem for many people it's not just not just me but there are certain people who are more intolerant of mold and i'm pretty sure i would have that genetic makeup
Felicia Devine: Right. Taking up vengeance. Right.
Felicia Devine: Mm-hmm.
Felicia Devine: Right. Right.
Felicia Devine: Right.
Felicia Devine: Intolerance. Yeah.
Natalie Richards: m
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: And especially because of my frequent exposures.
Felicia Devine: Wow.
Natalie Richards: So I'm on. So the the other interesting thing is that the things that he came up with that were things that were going help me are so far on left field that I never would have ever come up with them.
Felicia Devine: Oh.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: Okay, good.
Natalie Richards: Which is great. So like this, it was very worth no.
Felicia Devine: but i thought you were going to say, like, I'm already doing it. I'm like, darn it.
Natalie Richards: And I was doing some of it like, and and I knew I needed adrenal support.
Felicia Devine: Okay. Okay.
Natalie Richards: I've been doing, I've been doing that for a while.
Felicia Devine: Okay. Yeah.
Natalie Richards: I know I need mitochondrial support. I know I need nervous system balance.
Felicia Devine: Mm-hmm.
Natalie Richards: So I've been doing all of that stuff.
Felicia Devine: Right.
Natalie Richards: Right.
Felicia Devine: Right.
Natalie Richards: So the only difference is I'm on some herbs that I have never heard of in my life. Like I i never in a million years would have been taking some of this stuff.
Felicia Devine: Whoa.
Natalie Richards: So that that's kind of cool.
Felicia Devine: Okay. Yeah.
Natalie Richards: So I'm doing a blend of like clove, cinnamon, marshmallow.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: What are the other ones? Oregano, berberine, and then powdargo. Have you ever heard of that herb?
Felicia Devine: No.
Natalie Richards: Never heard of it in my life. but it it is for mold essentially.
Felicia Devine: Oh, okay.
Natalie Richards: What's the other one? And then and this enzyme blend from like Australia or New Zealand or something that I never in my wildest dreams would have ever done.
Felicia Devine: Oh.
Felicia Devine: Found. Yeah.
Natalie Richards: Yeah. Oh, what was the other thing? Oh, my circulation was really, was coming up as being a problem.
Felicia Devine: Oh.
Natalie Richards: So my circulation was having an issue. So we That's what that one that enzyme is for, is to help with like circulation and flow.
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Natalie Richards: And then I'm doing a few homeopathics for like lymphatic drainage and and flow and mucus production and all of that stuff.
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Felicia Devine: Wow.
Natalie Richards: So it's more involved than I probably ever would have done. Oh, and before bed, I'm taking four capsules of activated charcoal every day to bind the toxin, the biotoxins in my gut, which I never...
Felicia Devine: Whoa.
Natalie Richards: ever would have been like, I'm going to kill, like, I'm going to die if I take that money.
Felicia Devine: Four. Yeah. No, you're going to dry up and yeah. Four.
Natalie Richards: And I can see it in my poop in the morning. I'm like, if it's black.
Felicia Devine: Oh my gosh.
Natalie Richards: But I'm trusting the process.
Felicia Devine: Are you constipated?
Natalie Richards: No, not at all.
Felicia Devine: oh okay.
Natalie Richards: Not at all. No, it's great.
Felicia Devine: Wow.
Natalie Richards: So everything is feeling good. I did my test, my my scale today, and I have lost three pounds in a week.
Felicia Devine: Mm-hmm.
Natalie Richards: maybe two. Well, since I started the lymphatic drainage, it's been almost two weeks, three pounds and like 1% body fat, no change in muscle, which I've never had a change in muscle to muscles tone this entire time.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: No. Right. Right.
Natalie Richards: So muscle, bone, hydration, everything stays the same.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: It's literally just fat and visceral fat has gone up.
Felicia Devine: Wow.
Natalie Richards: So I lost a percentage point and and a few pounds. And that hasn't happened in three years.
Felicia Devine: Oh my gosh.
Natalie Richards: I have never gone down. It's only ever crept up.
Felicia Devine: Wow. Oh my gosh. That's excellent, Natalie.
Natalie Richards: So that's kind of interesting.
Felicia Devine: That's great.
Natalie Richards: So here we are.
Felicia Devine: Oh, I love that.
Natalie Richards: And I actually feel pretty good.
Felicia Devine: Now, how involved is the routine? Is it like all these things are combined?
Natalie Richards: It's involved. I'm doing things three times a day.
Felicia Devine: Oh.
Natalie Richards: But I'm actually sticking to it which I'm also surprised with myself.
Felicia Devine: Probably because somebody else advised you.
Natalie Richards: Somebody, exactly. I needed somebody else to tell me what to do.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Natalie Richards: So I'm learning a lot. I don't know that this is even what most people would have to do for their mold, but I'm doing a lot of the things I'm doing is very just different.
Felicia Devine: When do you go back? Mm-hmm.
Felicia Devine: Mm-hmm.
Natalie Richards: I'm going back in like six weeks, I think. So, so I'm doing all of this stuff for six weeks and then, and then that's it.
Felicia Devine: Okay. Very good.
Felicia Devine: and then you retest and see what you need.
Natalie Richards: And then we retest and we see, so then maybe we deal with the lime then after this.
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Natalie Richards: So then maybe we'll do a different, a different blend of tinctures and whatever.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. Does he make them at his office or are they all like brands?
Natalie Richards: No, they're all brands.
Felicia Devine: yeah
Natalie Richards: Yeah, they're all brands.
Felicia Devine: Very cool.
Natalie Richards: So I know it's been fun.
Felicia Devine: my God. That's amazing.
Natalie Richards: So I'm excited, actually.
Felicia Devine: That's great news.
Natalie Richards: it's It's feeling good. And I'm finally, finally feeling better right now.
Felicia Devine: Okay. Yeah.
Natalie Richards: Like just sickness wise, finally, after a couple of weeks.
Felicia Devine: yeah You're going to have a great summer.
Natalie Richards: So it's going to be it's going to be just fine. I'm going I'm going I am, I think. So I'm continuing all my other stuff, all my red light and my vibration plate and my saunas.
Felicia Devine: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Natalie Richards: I've been upping the saunas.
Felicia Devine: Have you?
Natalie Richards: upping saunas with the activated charcoal to help bind a lot more.
Felicia Devine: Mm-hmm.
Natalie Richards: And I've actually started sweating a lot more.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. Yeah.
Natalie Richards: So that's good.
Felicia Devine: Good.
Natalie Richards: I was having a little, I would sweat a little, but it was just not where, no, not where it needed to be.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. You weren't sweating like you needed to. Yeah.
Natalie Richards: So that's good. I did Pilates yesterday, but then I li i got an increase in my sore throat like within a few hours. And I was like, okay.
Felicia Devine: Darn it.
Natalie Richards: And it was not a hard class. so So we're treading lightly with activity and all of that, but yep, pretty much.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. Yeah. Just letting your body heal. oh
Natalie Richards: So then in other news, Jeannie is potty trained officially.
Felicia Devine: Yes. So tell me, he's out of the diaper?
Natalie Richards: Yeah, except, I mean, at night he wears one still, but like most, most days he wakes up without anything in his diaper, which is shocking to me.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. Right.
Felicia Devine: What happened?
Natalie Richards: He would wake up every single morning with a full, full diaper.
Felicia Devine: h
Natalie Richards: And then all of a sudden he's like, oh no, I i can go 12 hours without peeing.
Felicia Devine: What changed his perspective on putting on a diaper?
Natalie Richards: Like what?
Natalie Richards: I just woke up one day. it was when I was sick. I woke up one day and I said, you're not wearing anything today. Okay. You're just going to I said, you were done with diapers.
Felicia Devine: Yep.
Felicia Devine: Mm-hmm.
Natalie Richards: I forget what I said to him in the, in the morning. I prepped him one night and I was like, we're we're not doing this tomorrow. So enjoy your diaper right now.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: And then I realized, I go, oh, we don't want to throw them away entirely. He'll still get them for nighttime. So then I was like, when it's nighttime, you can put a diaper on again and it's okay.
Felicia Devine: Right. Yeah. Yeah.
Natalie Richards: And he was, it was hard. The first day he was like, I need my diapers.
Felicia Devine: Really?
Natalie Richards: I need my diapers.
Felicia Devine: oh
Natalie Richards: But then after a day, He was fine.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: And he was fully, I kid you not, in one day he was fully potty trained. He did every single thing in the toilet because he could.
Felicia Devine: Wow.
Felicia Devine: Wow.
Natalie Richards: Because he was perfectly capable.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. Yeah, he just he just had that crutch of wanting his diaper.
Natalie Richards: Perfectly capable. Booping, peeing. He just wanted his diaper.
Felicia Devine: Mm-hmm.
Natalie Richards: So then he has he's had no problems. He had like one, he was at the office the second day and he had like an accident in his pants that because he was like,
Felicia Devine: Wow. Mm-hmm.
Felicia Devine: Busy.
Natalie Richards: in a different environment and busy and and distracted.
Felicia Devine: Mm-hmm.
Natalie Richards: so Other than that, it's been literally smooth sailing ever since.
Felicia Devine: Good.
Natalie Richards: It's used the car potty a couple times.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. Yeah.
Natalie Richards: Oh, oh, no. The first day we did it. I'm ridiculous. I'm so dumb. The first day we did it without diapers during the day, we went to the reptile show.
Natalie Richards: That was the last time that was that was when I decided to do it.
Felicia Devine: Oh my gosh, did you?
Natalie Richards: But it was a monsoon that day and we were on the highway. And he's like, mommy, I have to potty.
Felicia Devine: And you're like, nope.
Natalie Richards: and I go, okay. So I'm literally in the middle of a rain storm. Like O'Hare was closing flights down. It was so bad.
Felicia Devine: Oh my gosh.
Natalie Richards: And this the rain is coming sideways on the highway. And we're in the back of the car going potty in the toilet.
Felicia Devine: And he did it.
Natalie Richards: He did it. He did it. And it was great.
Felicia Devine: Oh my God. Lovely.
Natalie Richards: I just was like, really? I chose today? I chose today to do this.
Felicia Devine: Oh my gosh. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, good for you though. Rip that bandaid off.
Natalie Richards: So we did it and it was great. And now everything is perfect.
Felicia Devine: Good.
Natalie Richards: And he's good.
Felicia Devine: oh
Natalie Richards: He's done with his floor bed too. Last night he or two nights ago, he goes, I'm going to sleep in my big bed tonight. go, okay. And he's wearing pajamas. I go, what? Who are you? who are you?
Felicia Devine: Because he used to sleep naked. Well, diapered.
Natalie Richards: yeah You know what? You know what I think it actually is? He had a fever that day I was texting you.
Felicia Devine: Mm-hmm.
Natalie Richards: Remember sent you those pictures?
Felicia Devine: Yes, yeah.
Natalie Richards: and he His sickness was like quick.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: He had a fever and he was like down for the count for four hours and he he wasn't speaking, wasn't moving.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Natalie Richards: He was like just kind of watching TV.
Felicia Devine: Yeah, just laying. Yeah.
Natalie Richards: And then I think that's what did it. the fever like like woke him back, woke his little brain back up.
Felicia Devine: Wow.
Natalie Richards: Which happens. Hello, River.
Felicia Devine: That's crazy.
Natalie Richards: Hello, River. It's kind of funny because that happens. I don't know if you have has Seppi ever had a fever?
Felicia Devine: no Yeah.
Natalie Richards: I find that like abilities change after a fever.
Felicia Devine: Oh.
Natalie Richards: Like for the better.
Felicia Devine: Oh.
Natalie Richards: Like brain abilities are better.
Felicia Devine: Cool. Hopefully my brain abilities are better after I get a fever.
Natalie Richards: i know. I know.
Natalie Richards: No kidding. Uh-huh.
Felicia Devine: It's spring cleans up there.
Natalie Richards: or
Felicia Devine: Well, yesterday were getting Seppy ready for his nap and he still wears a diaper to nap and go to bed at night. So we had him go potty and then went to his room and we're like, okay, time for diaper.
Felicia Devine: And he picks up his diaper. He goes, no dipey. And he puts it down. He goes, no dipey.
Natalie Richards: then you're like, oh no.
Felicia Devine: He goes, undies.
Natalie Richards: Fine.
Felicia Devine: And he goes and he pulls out fresh pair of undies and goes, undies.
Natalie Richards: No kidding.
Felicia Devine: And I'm like, okay, Seppy, you can wear undies to nap, but you need to wake up dry.
Natalie Richards: Oh no.
Felicia Devine: You cannot go pee in your undies.
Natalie Richards: no kidding
Felicia Devine: I said, no pee. So he puts on his new undies. He puts on his pajama pants. We get him in a sleep sack. He goes, he takes a two and a half hour nap, like crushes it. He wakes up, he's chatting.
Felicia Devine: I go in there and he goes, oh,
Felicia Devine: I go, Seppy. He goes, sorry, Seppy. He goes, oh I go, you peed in your panties, didn't you?
Natalie Richards: I mean, so little to be doing that over sleeping.
Felicia Devine: m Yeah. Yeah. So I said, it's okay. We tried. We tried.
Natalie Richards: Absolutely.
Felicia Devine: but this is just our little lesson that we need to wear a dipy.
Natalie Richards: one for a little bit longer.
Felicia Devine: You're just not ready.
Natalie Richards: I know Gene said that the other day too.
Felicia Devine: You're just not ready. So today, no fight. Oh
Natalie Richards: And he's like, He's like, oh, I don't want to wear a diaper tonight. I go what? Who are you?
Felicia Devine: my gosh.
Natalie Richards: And then he's like, oh, no, I do. I do.
Felicia Devine: Yeah, actually I do want it.
Natalie Richards: And I was like, I'm not ready for this because I don't have the waterproof thing down. i'm No, I'm not ready for that.
Felicia Devine: Right, right. You're like, I'm not prepared for this big brain change.
Natalie Richards: No. No.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: no
Felicia Devine: And I was like fine with letting him try because it was just a nap. If it was overnight and I knew he was going wetting his pants and then we'd have to change the bed.
Natalie Richards: Yeah. Yeah.
Felicia Devine: Like I wasn't for that.
Natalie Richards: And it would be a huge thing. No.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. So for a nap.
Natalie Richards: No.
Felicia Devine: And then I was like, let us just learn that this is not, you're not ready. So today, no fight when we went for a nap and put on a diaper and he was fine.
Natalie Richards: Amazing.
Felicia Devine: So sometimes, I mean, not often, he's woken up from the night once dry, like all night once.
Natalie Richards: Okay.
Felicia Devine: I don't know what happened there. I was like, are you dehydrated?
Natalie Richards: Yeah, I don't, right.
Felicia Devine: And then he's woken up from a nap like a handful of times, right? But he usually just pees. This kid slugs, slugs water, still nurses, drinks cow milk.
Natalie Richards: great. That's how Jean is too. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Felicia Devine: Like he drinks so much fluid, eats fruits and vegetables like crazy.
Natalie Richards: Drinking so much fluid.
Felicia Devine: Like I'm like, I don't know. You're just going to you're going to be in diapers for a little bit, I think.
Natalie Richards: Yep. Until his bladder gets a little bigger or whatever.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: i don't know what, I don't know what.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. Yeah. And he had been sleeping through the night since you visited. But the past few nights, like last night, he was up twice.
Natalie Richards: Okay. Well, the full moon was, was two nights ago.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. But he's not hard to put back to bed. so
Natalie Richards: Yeah. good
Felicia Devine: he actually did pretty well with the full moon this time, which I feel like in previous previous months, it's been like a disaster.
Natalie Richards: Good. Good.
Natalie Richards: It's been a little rough. Mm-hmm.
Felicia Devine: Like around the holidays, i was like, you're possessed.
Natalie Richards: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Felicia Devine: Oh, yeah. I have a story.
Natalie Richards: Can't wait.
Felicia Devine: Okay. so my birthday was last weekend, right?
Natalie Richards: Yes.
Felicia Devine: Yes.
Natalie Richards: Happy birthday.
Felicia Devine: And thank you. And Danny got me my favorite cake, which is, it's from the company milk bar. Yeah.
Natalie Richards: Yeah. Like anyone.
Felicia Devine: And is that like funfetti one?
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: Mm-hmm. So we had it for our wedding and we usually get it for like a birthday here and there. So he ordered it for my birthday and we had been slowly chipping away at it.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: Yes.
Felicia Devine: So I had a piece of cake on Friday night in bed. I was starving.
Natalie Richards: Okay.
Felicia Devine: I said, I need cake or I need cake right now.
Natalie Richards: That's amazing. Cake in bed.
Felicia Devine: Danny, Danny, I need cake. So he went and got me cake.
Natalie Richards: That's the best.
Felicia Devine: So I'm eating the cake. Okay. Seppy wakes up in the middle night. Seppy nurses. Okay. Yesterday morning, Daphne and my brother came over. So it's Sep and I, Shay and Daphne. We're in the playroom.
Felicia Devine: Giuseppe was a terror, Natalie.
Natalie Richards: There we go.
Felicia Devine: A terror.
Natalie Richards: It's the die.
Felicia Devine: Like,
Natalie Richards: It's the die.
Felicia Devine: Like he anytime Daphne would go do something, he would go rip it out of her hands and push her over, steal the item.
Natalie Richards: a
Felicia Devine: I'm like, what is going on?
Natalie Richards: Oh my.
Felicia Devine: My brother was like, I was like, no shade. Like he's never like this. The only other time I can point when he had this problem was when he had the blue dye from me from The Rita's, the Italian ice.
Natalie Richards: Wow.
Natalie Richards: When you had the poopy burgers. Italian ice.
Felicia Devine: So I was like, Shay, I've been eating the milk bar cake. And then he nursed, because usually I'll eat it after he goes to bed and then he'll sleep through the night. I think it's out of my milk supply.
Natalie Richards: Oh my gosh.
Felicia Devine: But that night he woke up and nursed in the middle of the night, probably when it was still in my milk supply. So in the morning, he was a terror.
Natalie Richards: For sure.
Felicia Devine: He slept it off, thankfully. So yesterday afternoon when we went over to their house, they played together in the playroom independently. No problem. Totally fine. Totally kosher. They were independently playing.
Natalie Richards: all That's all i need to hear.
Felicia Devine: Everyone's getting along.
Natalie Richards: That's all I need to know.
Felicia Devine: Dan's like, oh my gosh. Like, it's obvious.
Natalie Richards: Well, that's what would happen with Gene. He would be
Felicia Devine: okay
Natalie Richards: a nightmare with like the teeniest little bit.
Felicia Devine: Menace.
Natalie Richards: And I was like, oh no this is not happening.
Felicia Devine: okay Yeah.
Natalie Richards: Which now I don't know if he would react the same way because he's bigger.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: Right. Right. Dan and I were talking about that.
Natalie Richards: like when he was Giuseppe's age, it was like, what just happened?
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: Like this kid is an actual possessed being.
Felicia Devine: Uh-huh.
Natalie Richards: Yeah,
Felicia Devine: No, like he would literally go over and like destroy a toy. Like we have like little popsicle sticks and things. He would destroy a toy, dump it all out and like throw it around and then walk away from it.
Natalie Richards: yeah like lose it.
Felicia Devine: And I'm like, we don't do that.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: Like we've never done that. That's not behavior we ever approve of. I had to put him on timeout twice yesterday.
Natalie Richards: Oh my gosh.
Felicia Devine: We don't even do timeout.
Natalie Richards: No, doesn't know what that is.
Felicia Devine: I'm like, this kid doesn't even know how to do timeout. And I'm like, I'm like making it up as I go. Cause I'm like, you don't even, he's not even like listening. It was crazy. And i was like, it was literally from a funfetti cake that i ate that he got psycho from.
Natalie Richards: my gosh.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. So I was like, so then I just, I can't eat the cake anymore.
Natalie Richards: Let this be a lesson.
Felicia Devine: i mean, that's the only dye I've had in months.
Natalie Richards: Oh my gosh.
Felicia Devine: I don't eat dye ever, never.
Natalie Richards: Right. Right. o
Felicia Devine: So I'm like, that is a hard lesson I'm learning.
Natalie Richards: Isn't that so crazy?
Felicia Devine: And Dan and I were talking about – because Dan's like, well, when he's 20, is he not going to be able to eat dye? And I'm like, I think when you get older, your body has a bigger and larger capacity.
Natalie Richards: You can handle it, of course.
Felicia Devine: But at this age, he just is not there yet.
Natalie Richards: Yep. And even just a little bit. I remember somebody saying from like their kid eating one mini marshmallow.
Felicia Devine: Mm-hmm.
Felicia Devine: Oh, no.
Natalie Richards: with like the teeniest amount of blue in it, like they lost their mind or having something like a temporary tattoo on, that was enough to make them go insane.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean –
Felicia Devine: Oh.
Felicia Devine: Wow. Wow.
Natalie Richards: So just little.
Felicia Devine: I had a patient in the other day and she said that her mom gave the kids something, forget what it was. And she's like, she's like, we have to do detox baths.
Felicia Devine: Like they're still having reactions.
Natalie Richards: my gosh.
Felicia Devine: And I guess yellow is the longest lasting in the system. And it's all, it's like, it's like mental neurological stuff.
Natalie Richards: Really?
Felicia Devine: It's not behavioral stuff, which I guess is still neurological, but like, like yellow's trickier.
Natalie Richards: I see. Yeah. More like neuro inflammation.
Felicia Devine: inflammation. so they're doing like charcoal baths, bentonite clay, trying to get it out of these kids.
Natalie Richards: oh my word.
Felicia Devine: I'm like, oh my God, is that my future?
Natalie Richards: I know. And the thing it, no, because you're, you just don't, everybody just knows that he can't have it.
Felicia Devine: Is that my future, Natalie?
Felicia Devine: I know. Don't do die You can't have die
Natalie Richards: We just, he just can't do it. That's literally what everyone knows about Jean and Jean knows. He says, does this have dye in it?
Felicia Devine: Okay. So he knows.
Natalie Richards: I can't. He knows. Oh yeah, he knows.
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Natalie Richards: He went up. He was with my mom at lunch somewhere where it was like an order at the counter place. And they have like things in the cat, like sweet things, you know, he's sitting at lunch eating with her and he gets, it doesn't say a word. He gets up out of the seat, just walks over by himself up to the counter, apparently asks for something.
Natalie Richards: But he says, does that have dye in it? And the girl gave him a cookie like or like a brownie or something.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: Just like, here you go. You can just have this. and But he made sure that he asked, does it?
Felicia Devine: Aww.
Felicia Devine: If it had dye in it.
Natalie Richards: But I can't. But I can't have dye.
Felicia Devine: Oh my gosh. So I guess I just have to train him that like, we just can't have dye.
Natalie Richards: So he knows. He just knows. Like red dye or dye makes your brain go crazy. And we just we don't do that.
Felicia Devine: yeah
Natalie Richards: We just don't do that.
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Natalie Richards: And that's like my one, I don't have many rules to be completely honest.
Felicia Devine: I know. I'm like, oh yeah.
Natalie Richards: I really don't.
Felicia Devine: Organic grapes. No dye.
Natalie Richards: Pretty much. And no diet, like, is that so much to ask? Is he really that deprived?
Felicia Devine: no, I know.
Natalie Richards: No, he literally gets whatever the hell he wants. He can eat truly on a normal day.
Felicia Devine: Right.
Natalie Richards: He can have whatever he wants. I don't have many rules. If he wants a little, a little tablespoon of ice cream here and there, I don't care.
Felicia Devine: Right.
Felicia Devine: Right.
Natalie Richards: i really don't.
Felicia Devine: Right. you and Yeah.
Natalie Richards: Cause the things I have in my house are like,
Felicia Devine: Are die-free and fine.
Natalie Richards: they're approved they're fine i don't care like the sugar doesn't make a difference to me whatever because it doesn't change his behavior die absolutely does so
Felicia Devine: Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right.
Felicia Devine: yeah Yeah, I know. It was so alarming because I was just like in a tailspin like yesterday morning. I'm like, what is happening? And then I was like, it's the cake that I ate.
Natalie Richards: totally isn't that crazy which i never really thought about that being a possibility but i
Felicia Devine: who Insane.
Felicia Devine: i know. Well, and then to think like how sensitive he must be if it's through my milk.
Natalie Richards: course it is.
Felicia Devine: And it's not even like I ate a blue cake. I ate a cake with sprinkles in it.
Natalie Richards: Sprinkles. I know.
Felicia Devine: But honestly, I bet you there's blue dye in the frosting and stuff to make it that white, right?
Natalie Richards: They prep to make it that white. It's very possible.
Felicia Devine: i don't know. It's just crazy.
Natalie Richards: I'm not sure. Not for sure.
Felicia Devine: So I just have to be extra careful.
Natalie Richards: Hmm.
Felicia Devine: It's fine. It's just like alarming. And honestly, some kids act like that every day.
Natalie Richards: Well, exactly.
Felicia Devine: And so their parents have no idea whether or not they're – I mean, they are dye sensitive, but they're that's their normal.
Natalie Richards: That's their normal because they're eating things with dye in it multiple times throughout the day.
Felicia Devine: And they're sensitive. Mm-hmm.
Natalie Richards: So they act like that all the time.
Felicia Devine: Yeah, it's it's crazy.
Natalie Richards: And you wouldn't necessarily know that it's the dye in that case because...
Felicia Devine: So, mm-mm. Right, because it's you're so deep into it.
Natalie Richards: Right. Right.
Felicia Devine: You're so deep into it. Yeah, I mean, I'm fortunate in the sense that, like, Giuseppe does not eat out.
Natalie Richards: Right.
Felicia Devine: We bring his food everywhere we go. I know exactly what he's eating.
Natalie Richards: Mm-hmm.
Felicia Devine: I send his food everywhere he goes, if he's at my mother-in-law's, if he's at shay and Amanda's house.
Natalie Richards: Yep.
Felicia Devine: I mean, and Amanda eat the exact same way.
Natalie Richards: And people know, people know that you're, that he eats that and that's what he eats and eat it there's just things that he's not going to eat.
Felicia Devine: Mm-hmm. That's what he eats. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Like the bank stopped asking if I wanted a lollipop.
Natalie Richards: Right, right.
Felicia Devine: Because I'm like, we don't eat lollipops.
Natalie Richards: Thank goodness they ask.
Felicia Devine: Thank you. yeah Yeah. Right. I actually overheard them. they were So I go into the bank.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: because i deposit Dan's paychecks.
Natalie Richards: Oh, yeah.
Felicia Devine: And so it's like, it's just easier if I'm in person they know me, it's like way easier than like, who is this?
Natalie Richards: yeah then Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The drive-thru, yeah.
Felicia Devine: So Sep and I always go in and I heard the guy over the, like he was working with somebody in the car and he goes, anything for the back? Instead of being like, does your kid want a lollipop?
Felicia Devine: So it was very kind.
Natalie Richards: Oh, that's great.
Felicia Devine: Anything for the back?
Natalie Richards: That's great.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. Because I don't know. I just feel like it like Sepp has some trigger words. Like, do you want to go to walk?
Natalie Richards: Absolutely. knows.
Felicia Devine: And he like can't forget about it. So like I'm sure some kids like if you want a lollipop and then your mom says no, but you heard the word lollipop, you'd be like freaking out.
Natalie Richards: Absolutely. na here My mom tells the story. The first time I ever ate sugar, like real sugar, i was probably 18 months old.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. Oh, my gosh.
Natalie Richards: Literally, she she did not feed me anything.
Felicia Devine: what
Felicia Devine: What happened? Like who gave it to you?
Natalie Richards: And we were in a grocery store and the lady's like, oh, does she want a cookie? Handing me the cookie. So I had a bite of the cookie. And she my mom was mortified.
Felicia Devine: Oh my gosh. Yeah. Yeah.
Natalie Richards: but then that created other problems. So it's that's also not necessarily the way to be either.
Felicia Devine: my brother, were, yeah, my, so right.
Natalie Richards: My brother was a psychopath because he was deprived.
Felicia Devine: Right. yeah
Natalie Richards: Like, really.
Felicia Devine: My brother, what well, my mom took, I wasn't alive yet. So my mom took my sister and my brother to, uh, like a parade, I think a rodeo parade.
Natalie Richards: Sure.
Felicia Devine: And my brother, I think was like around, eating age, but hasn't eaten it. He has not eaten a solid food yet. So he was still nursing, not like eating yet.
Natalie Richards: Yes.
Felicia Devine: And they're sitting there. And I think Shay was on my mom's lap. And my mom was like talking to Alex and the kid next to Shay fed him a Cheeto. My mom lost her mind because she's like, no.
Felicia Devine: Like, you know, like my mom is like us, you know, like whole foods.
Natalie Richards: Yes.
Felicia Devine: Like, oh, my God.
Natalie Richards: yes
Felicia Devine: she is So like that story. And then to this day, my brother hates Cheetos.
Natalie Richards: Well, good, because he was traumatized.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. He was traumatized.
Natalie Richards: Mm-hmm.
Felicia Devine: He was force fed a Cheeto as his first food.
Natalie Richards: Mm-hmm.
Felicia Devine: i love Cheetos. that was That was not my problem.
Natalie Richards: That is
Felicia Devine: But
Natalie Richards: Uh-huh.
Felicia Devine: I know. i know.
Natalie Richards: uhu
Felicia Devine: So, yeah, the food thing is just so fascinating. And it's like, I try not to be, like you said, i don't have a lot of rules.
Natalie Richards: It really is.
Natalie Richards: Right.
Felicia Devine: You can eat anything in my pantry except for the ruffles.
Natalie Richards: Right.
Felicia Devine: You can eat anything in my pantry.
Natalie Richards: Right. just Except for the things that we don't know how they got here.
Felicia Devine: Except for the things i don't know where they came from. and how long they've been there. But the crazy part when I ate the ruffle was like, it wasn't bad.
Natalie Richards: Right.
Felicia Devine: And I'm like, that's a sign of like craziness because
Natalie Richards: No kidding. for
Felicia Devine: I've never even seen the ruffle, so it had to have been there for a long time.
Natalie Richards: Yes. And they're totally fine.
Felicia Devine: Anyway. But, like, he wants eat meat stick. Eat a meat stick. It has no preservatives in it and no fillers in it.
Natalie Richards: Yep.
Felicia Devine: I'm like, eat a meat stick. You can eat a meat stick for lunch. Have at it.
Natalie Richards: Yep. Yep.
Felicia Devine: Eat the meat stick.
Natalie Richards: That's how we are. I'm like, I don't care.
Felicia Devine: I don't care.
Natalie Richards: i don't care.
Felicia Devine: I don't care. Did I tell you about the lady at the grocery store with the meat stick?
Natalie Richards: i don't know Oh, yes
Felicia Devine: Okay, so we're at the grocery store, and Giuseppe's on his, like, last five minutes of patience, which he does great.
Natalie Richards: yes.
Felicia Devine: He really does. Like, I don't have to really, like, be concerned when we go to the grocery store. So he's sitting in the cart, and I'm about to start checking out. And... I'm like taking stuff out of the cart.
Felicia Devine: So he's like facing the lady next, right?
Natalie Richards: Yes. but Yeah.
Felicia Devine: Like they're like eye to eye and she's like, Oh, she's so cute.
Natalie Richards: They're having a combo.
Felicia Devine: And I'm like, again, it's a boy.
Natalie Richards: if All the time, all the time.
Felicia Devine: It's a boy every time he's a boy. and I'm like, so I'm taking stuff there and she starts laughing and she's like, Oh my God. i mean, he, she she said something along the lines of like, she likes those.
Felicia Devine: And I like, didn't really understand what she was saying. And she's like, well, at least it's not candy. And I'm thinking to myself, lady, this meat stick costs $3.99.
Natalie Richards: how right How are we comparing this to candy?
Felicia Devine: and we're comparing this meat stick to at least it's not candy. I'm like, it could have been anything else.
Natalie Richards: A breadstick.
Felicia Devine: Why? Like, yeah. I'm like, what? And I just like ignore her. I'm like, you're so dated.
Natalie Richards: Oy.
Felicia Devine: but You think I'm feeding my kids some Slim Jim? What?
Natalie Richards: That's probably what she thought.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. But I'm like, my meanwhile, this thing costs more than like a a gallon of gasoline.
Natalie Richards: Way more than a protein bar, way more literally.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. I'm like, this grass fed organic.
Natalie Richards: my gosh.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. Nope. At least, at least she's, she's not eating candy.
Natalie Richards: She's not eating candy.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. She's not.
Natalie Richards: can guarantee that.
Felicia Devine: But I mean, oh, Giuseppe got his first haircut.
Natalie Richards: he did.
Felicia Devine: He got his mullet installed.
Natalie Richards: Did he get a mullet? Oh, I'm so glad.
Felicia Devine: He got it installed. He got it shaped.
Natalie Richards: Oh.
Felicia Devine: Besides, he is stinking cute because now the curls are just hitting even harder with the humidity and the warmth coming.
Natalie Richards: Oh my gosh.
Natalie Richards: Oh.
Felicia Devine: I'll send you a picture.
Natalie Richards: Oh.
Felicia Devine: He's precious. So that's that's new.
Natalie Richards: I love it.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: I think Jean's almost a mullet time again.
Felicia Devine: Mm-hmm. Yeah. I love it short on the sides.
Natalie Richards: I do too.
Felicia Devine: So cute. His little cheeks are just like, oh, he's chunky.
Natalie Richards: Oh, I just love it. For summer.
Felicia Devine: So, yeah.
Natalie Richards: oh spring, summer. So cute.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. Well, we had a lot to catch up on. That was, I know.
Natalie Richards: We did. i'm actually surprised we didn't talk longer.
Felicia Devine: That was a busy pod.
Natalie Richards: But i think I think I talked about everything I needed to. I don't know.
Felicia Devine: I know. I'm like, i'm like oh, and this, oh, and that.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: Yeah, who knows who knows what next will week will bring us.
Natalie Richards: I'm sure there were.
Natalie Richards: I don't know.
Felicia Devine: Maybe some more health updates on your end and maybe some more pregnancy updates on my end.
Natalie Richards: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm kidding.
Felicia Devine: I
Natalie Richards: It's going to be interesting these next like few weeks to see if anything changes for you.
Felicia Devine: i know i have Reiki next Friday, so I'm curious to see what what goes down.
Natalie Richards: o Oh gosh, I cannot wait.
Felicia Devine: i know. And honestly, maybe she'll be able to tell.
Natalie Richards: Yeah, let's let's see.
Felicia Devine: Because the last time I was there, she said I had a raging ball of fire, which was ginormous.
Natalie Richards: Exactly.
Felicia Devine: I mean, the size of a hamster ball.
Natalie Richards: Exactly. Uh-huh.
Felicia Devine: So like, and I was like 3.6 days pregnant.
Natalie Richards: Interesting. Interesting. Exactly. this was so, so early.
Felicia Devine: So early.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: So who's to say, I don't know. I might be an entire ball of fire now.
Natalie Richards: Maybe.
Felicia Devine: We'll see. But I'll update you on that next time.
Natalie Richards: I love it. I can't wait.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: Can't wait.
Felicia Devine: All right. Well, thanks for joining us.
Natalie Richards: Bye.
Felicia Devine: Bye.
