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S2.Ep12 - Twins? Mold/Lyme? And a One Day Potty Training Miracle
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After an accidental (but very necessary) spring break, we’re BACK—and catching you up on everything that went down while life was life-ing hard.
In this episode, we dive into:
✨ First trimester chaos: low blood pressure episodes, crawling up stairs, and the very real possibility of twins
✨ The most unhinged egg salad saga (feat. questionable pantry choices and Ruffles???)
✨ Natalie’s deep dive into mold, biotoxins, Lyme, parasites—and the wild protocol that’s already shifting things
✨ Why “doing everything right” still sometimes gets you nowhere (and what finally moved the needle)
✨ Supplements that sound fake but are somehow working
✨ The unexpected connection between illness, nervous system stress, and weight that won’t budge
✨ Potty training in one day (yes, really)
✨ The fever → developmental leap pipeline that nobody talks about
✨ Why toddlers will humble you instantly and also randomly become independent overnight
It’s motherhood. It’s healing. It’s crunchy. It’s chaotic. It’s slightly conspiratorial.
And honestly… we’re just trying to keep up.
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Transcript
Intro
Spring Break and Catching Up
00:00:51
Felicia Devine
Hello and welcome back to a long-awaited episode 12.
00:00:53
Natalie Richards
It has been so long since we have talked.
00:00:56
Felicia Devine
We took spring break.
00:00:57
Natalie Richards
We did. we took a two-week spring break.
00:01:00
Felicia Devine
Yeah, we can call it that.
00:01:01
Natalie Richards
It was it was necessary, but also forced, but also just kind how life goes.
00:01:06
Felicia Devine
<unk> Life happened.
00:01:08
Natalie Richards
Life happened and a lot of things happened for both of us in the past couple weeks.
00:01:10
Felicia Devine
Life was busy. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
00:01:15
Natalie Richards
So, oh my God, these dogs, do you hear them?
00:01:18
Felicia Devine
I do.
00:01:19
Natalie Richards
I, that's what I was trying to fix on my microphone because it's supposed to block out all that noise.
00:01:20
Felicia Devine
i don't know if...
00:01:24
Felicia Devine
It might, though, when we hit finalize.
00:01:26
Natalie Richards
Maybe when it actually, maybe it when it finalizes, because
00:01:28
Felicia Devine
Yeah, because I can hear them.
00:01:32
Natalie Richards
let's hope, let's hope that everybody can't hear the dogs.
00:01:34
Felicia Devine
but If they're not hearing the dogs, they're definitely hearing me chomp on watermelon and pineapple right now.
00:01:39
Natalie Richards
Okay. That's true.
00:01:42
Natalie Richards
Can't forget about that.
00:01:43
Felicia Devine
Yes.
00:01:44
Felicia Devine
Okay. Okay.
00:01:44
Natalie Richards
Okay.
Pregnancy Cravings and Updates
00:01:45
Natalie Richards
Also, the fact that you were just eating egg salad is like, I think like every pregnant woman in the world is saying, what the hell are you doing?
00:01:55
Felicia Devine
I was laying down. was like resting before I had to nurse Sepp for his nap because like that's a non-negotiable. So like no matter what I'm doing in my life, if he has to go to bed, I have to be there to nurse him.
00:02:06
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:02:07
Felicia Devine
so I'm like, okay, I'm resting, i'm resting. And then I was like, I need egg salad right now.
00:02:13
Natalie Richards
That cracks me up.
00:02:20
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:02:22
Felicia Devine
and like, she used have like the egg cutter.
00:02:24
Natalie Richards
Yeah, makes it very easy.
00:02:27
Felicia Devine
Very easy. I didn't have that. So here I am.
00:02:28
Natalie Richards
Okay.
00:02:29
Felicia Devine
Holly homemaker puts up to sleep. I'm chopping up hot pickles, red onion, boiling my eggs, putting them in their little ice bath.
00:02:39
Natalie Richards
You didn't even have the eggs boiled yet.
00:02:41
Natalie Richards
So you went in through the whole thing.
00:02:41
Felicia Devine
No, it was like, no, literally I texted Natalie at like 120 and I was like, or like 110. And I was like, I'm making egg salad.
00:02:48
Natalie Richards
It was like, yeah, was like one.
00:02:50
Felicia Devine
Hopefully we'll be ready on time. I was making it from like scratch. Like the chicken had just birthed the egg, like scratch.
00:02:54
Natalie Richards
Amazing. Yes.
00:02:57
Felicia Devine
So then i'm putting in all these ingredients. I mean, it kind of, at the end of the day, sounds gross. Like it just was like a mod podge of stuff.
00:03:05
Natalie Richards
No, that's what egg salad is.
00:03:07
Felicia Devine
And then I needed, like love a crunch with my egg salad. Like it has to have like a cracker, a chip.
00:03:11
Natalie Richards
Same. Same.
00:03:14
Felicia Devine
Well, the only crunch we had in our pantry, oh my God, I'm gonna throw up talking about it, is Ruffles. I don't even know who bought those.
00:03:22
Natalie Richards
Whatever.
00:03:24
Felicia Devine
I honestly think they're old. I've never seen them. I found them.
00:03:27
Natalie Richards
hu
00:03:27
Felicia Devine
And then Dan goes, ruffles. I go, I don't know, Dan. I just needed a crunch. And a popcorn wasn't going to do it.
00:03:32
Natalie Richards
Yep. No, no, no, no. Soggy egg salad popcorn.
00:03:37
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:03:38
Natalie Richards
e
00:03:38
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Ew. So he's like, okay. He's like, you did have crackers in your your lunchbox. And i was like, oh, I thought I left them at work yesterday or a Thursday. But I could have just used my nice crackers.
00:03:49
Felicia Devine
But no, I used crackers.
00:03:50
Natalie Richards
That is so funny.
00:03:51
Felicia Devine
seed oil, uh, ruffles.
00:03:54
Natalie Richards
Oh, well.
00:03:55
Felicia Devine
And now I'm eating fresh pineapple and watermelon that Dan just brought me from the store.
00:03:59
Natalie Richards
I love it. I love it. So give us a little update about how you're what, eight, nine weeks now? Eight weeks?
00:04:07
Felicia Devine
Not even girl.
00:04:07
Natalie Richards
Not even?
00:04:08
Felicia Devine
I'm seven and a half.
00:04:08
Natalie Richards
Seven? Seven and a half. Okay. okay no
00:04:11
Felicia Devine
Oh,
00:04:11
Natalie Richards
Tell us, give us a little update on your your first trimester of life.
00:04:17
Felicia Devine
Okay. Life was so smooth, so easy, and so vibrant until I literally the day I hit seven weeks. So like five days ago.
00:04:25
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm. You know what? That's better than most people can say.
00:04:27
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah. So I made it to seven weeks. And honestly, I'm not doing too bad.
00:04:29
Natalie Richards
That's pretty good.
00:04:31
Felicia Devine
I'm really not.
00:04:31
Natalie Richards
No, no.
00:04:32
Felicia Devine
Because like when I'm down, I'm down.
00:04:32
Natalie Richards
You're very functional still.
00:04:34
Felicia Devine
When I'm up, I'm fine. Like right now, I forget I'm pregnant.
00:04:37
Natalie Richards
Incredible. Incredible.
00:04:38
Felicia Devine
Yeah. But when I'm down, I'm like down for the count.
00:04:40
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm.
00:04:41
Felicia Devine
And I've been having low – it's exhaustion and it's like low blood pressure.
00:04:42
Natalie Richards
But it's more like exhaustion. Yeah. Yeah.
00:04:47
Felicia Devine
which I've never had. I've never had low blood pressure my whole life.
00:04:49
Natalie Richards
Well, why don't you tell us what Google said about that?
00:04:52
Felicia Devine
So I texted my midwife and I go low blood pressure help.
00:04:52
Natalie Richards
Or what you're not
00:04:54
Felicia Devine
What do I do? I feel like I'm going die.
00:04:56
Natalie Richards
saying?
00:04:56
Felicia Devine
I had to crawl. I had to crawl up my staircase the other day.
00:04:59
Natalie Richards
You did not.
00:05:00
Felicia Devine
i did. Cause I was so weak from low blood pressure and I stopped like every like fifth stair and just like stopped and like laid flat.
00:05:02
Natalie Richards
oh Felicia.
00:05:08
Felicia Devine
And then I got to the landing and I laid on the landing for a while.
00:05:11
Natalie Richards
What?
00:05:13
Felicia Devine
And then I finally made it to the bed and i had Dan call my brother to bring over a blood pressure cuff because I don't have one at my house.
00:05:19
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:05:20
Felicia Devine
And they like dropped one off right away. But it had been like maybe 10-ish minutes since I had been in bed. and My blood pressure was still 90 over 60, which is low for me.
00:05:29
Natalie Richards
Wow. 90
00:05:31
Felicia Devine
I'm usually 120 like easily.
00:05:33
Natalie Richards
over 60 is very, yeah, very much well.
00:05:35
Felicia Devine
Yeah. And I had been horizontal for 10 minutes.
00:05:37
Natalie Richards
Wow.
00:05:39
Felicia Devine
Yeah. So I was like not doing too hot. That was Sunday. it got a little bit better Monday. It was, but it's been riding at a hundred, like a hundred over like 72, a hundred over 68.
00:05:46
Natalie Richards
And you were,
00:05:49
Felicia Devine
Like it's just like low 100. And I'm, well,
00:05:52
Natalie Richards
was that when you were sick? Like, or do you think that is your, was what you were sick with?
00:05:58
Felicia Devine
that might've been it because I never threw, I was dry heaving.
00:05:58
Natalie Richards
It's just, yeah.
00:06:01
Felicia Devine
I was like very nauseous. My ears were ringing. Like I was, I felt, I had a fever that whole night, but then nothing came out of me either direction.
00:06:03
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:06:07
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:06:09
Felicia Devine
And i like was fine.
00:06:13
Natalie Richards
Maybe you're still getting over whatever that fever situation was.
00:06:17
Felicia Devine
i couldn't tell you what it is though.
00:06:18
Natalie Richards
and don't know.
00:06:18
Felicia Devine
I, it like, it's so odd. Cause I literally like after i did that in the morning, like I pretty much recovered
00:06:26
Natalie Richards
Weird, except for the blood pressure.
00:06:26
Felicia Devine
But my blood pressure is just like low. So my midwife said that in the first trimester you get a surge of the progesterone, which is like that hormone that vasodilates you. So your blood vessels just like get bigger.
00:06:36
Natalie Richards
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:06:38
Felicia Devine
So that could be why I'm having low blood pressure. Yeah.
00:06:41
Natalie Richards
I remember having like some lightheaded, like weird things where I'm like, oh, I could probably pass out right now.
00:06:47
Felicia Devine
yeah
00:06:48
Natalie Richards
And then I kind of like yeah like shake myself out of it.
00:06:50
Felicia Devine
Yeah, I'm like,
00:06:52
Natalie Richards
I'm like, no, we're fine.
00:06:53
Felicia Devine
mine mind comes in extreme, extreme weakness.
00:06:57
Natalie Richards
Okay.
00:06:58
Felicia Devine
Can't hold my head up.
00:06:58
Natalie Richards
You're just like done.
00:06:59
Felicia Devine
Can't use my torso.
00:07:01
Natalie Richards
Okay.
00:07:01
Felicia Devine
Like, I, like, fold in half.
00:07:03
Natalie Richards
Oh my gosh.
00:07:03
Felicia Devine
Yeah, it's really weird. Like, I was, when I had to end up crawling upstairs, I was, like, folded in half at the table. Like, I couldn't even lift my head up.
00:07:09
Natalie Richards
Oh.
00:07:10
Felicia Devine
I was, like, l on the table. was on the table.
00:07:12
Natalie Richards
Okay, what do we do about this?
00:07:14
Felicia Devine
I don't know. So... My midwife was like, I'm on my way to a birth. I'll get back to you. So we'll see.
00:07:20
Natalie Richards
Oh my goodness, okay.
00:07:22
Felicia Devine
yeah
00:07:22
Natalie Richards
And then Google said that that's, you know, twins.
00:07:26
Felicia Devine
Yeah, Google said that's more prominent in people who are having twins. And I was like, oh, that's funny. What's saying?
00:07:32
Natalie Richards
Can I tell you, I muscle test for you every day.
00:07:37
Felicia Devine
What's it saying?
00:07:38
Natalie Richards
Every day it says twins, every single day.
00:07:41
Felicia Devine
I will say, Natalie, I had one baby dream when I was pregnant with Giuseppe.
00:07:46
Natalie Richards
who
00:07:46
Felicia Devine
One. I, like, don't dream about the baby. I don't i don't ever have baby dreams. I had a baby dream the other night, and I'm pregnant with twins.
00:07:54
Natalie Richards
Interesting.
00:07:55
Felicia Devine
It was twins. It is twins.
00:07:56
Natalie Richards
thank Pretty sure.
00:08:00
Felicia Devine
So,
00:08:00
Natalie Richards
Your first baby dream with Sep, was that just a one baby dream?
00:08:04
Felicia Devine
yeah, and it was that I – did you?
00:08:04
Natalie Richards
Because I had a twin baby dream when I was in my first... Dang this vacuum now.
00:08:11
Felicia Devine
Natalie's Roomba.
00:08:11
Natalie Richards
The robot. The robot.
00:08:14
Felicia Devine
Roomba's out to get her
00:08:15
Natalie Richards
decided that right now was the best time to start again after I started it four hours ago.
00:08:19
Felicia Devine
oh
00:08:21
Felicia Devine
Did you really?
00:08:22
Natalie Richards
Yes. It's been charging apparently for this whole time and it decided it needed to go again.
00:08:28
Natalie Richards
It'll it'll move away from this area in a second. But yes, I muscle test you every single day. Felicia, okay. Are you one pregnant with twins? Yes. One baby? No. One baby's like a no.
00:08:39
Natalie Richards
Two babies? Absolutely. And I do it every day. Okay.
00:08:45
Felicia Devine
Oh, no, I'm itching, itching to get an early ultrasound. And I i might, because I never had an itch to get an early one with sep.
00:08:50
Natalie Richards
Oh, are you going to do it?
00:08:54
Felicia Devine
I didn't even think twice. I was like, we're not, we don't do ultrasounds.
00:08:57
Natalie Richards
know, but you would be able to detect two heartbeats on a Doppler soon enough anyway, sooner than a 20 week ultrasound.
00:09:06
Felicia Devine
Possibly, but you only see your midwife every, like my first time I'm gonna see her is at 10 and then I'm gonna see her 14.
00:09:10
Natalie Richards
I know. Is that 10 and 14? don't know.
00:09:15
Natalie Richards
know
00:09:17
Felicia Devine
But I don't know, I mean, I'm not, right, like a little like, yeah, hot and fast.
00:09:19
Natalie Richards
You could go do a quick little ultrasound, like a you go into a little independent place and they say, just tell me if there's one or two. OK, two minutes in and out.
00:09:30
Felicia Devine
in and out but i i don't know i just like i'm kind of itching to do it
00:09:36
Natalie Richards
You can do whatever you feel is right for you. that Those like initial ones, they're so fast. It's not a huge deal. It's the longer ones with the color Doppler and all the other crap that they do.
00:09:48
Felicia Devine
right right so i might i might do it and like you can just walk and not walk in but you can call like independent clinics can't you
00:09:48
Natalie Richards
That's the problem. So
00:09:54
Natalie Richards
yeah, you can just go. Yeah, absolutely. That's what I did.
00:09:57
Felicia Devine
Yeah. So I might do that. I don't know. I'm kind of itching.
00:10:01
Natalie Richards
I'm so curious.
00:10:02
Felicia Devine
i know. Me too.
00:10:03
Natalie Richards
I'm so oh curious.
00:10:04
Felicia Devine
But, oh, the other thing is like, I kind of already have a little belly, which is crazy.
00:10:09
Natalie Richards
Right. Like exactly.
00:10:11
Felicia Devine
Come on. Crazy.
00:10:12
Natalie Richards
Exactly. Seven weeks, even with a second, a second pregnancy, like that really shouldn't.
00:10:15
Felicia Devine
a little tiny belly.
00:10:18
Felicia Devine
No.
00:10:18
Natalie Richards
Some people do, but not yet. No, no.
00:10:20
Felicia Devine
But no. I have a little pooch. And even in the morning when I wake up, like fresh from bed,
00:10:23
Natalie Richards
Oh, word.
00:10:27
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm. So, and I know it's not the egg salad speaking.
00:10:31
Natalie Richards
It's not the XL.
00:10:33
Felicia Devine
That's before I even put that in my body.
00:10:35
Natalie Richards
Oh, no, I'm pretty confident.
00:10:35
Felicia Devine
So, I don't know.
00:10:37
Natalie Richards
I'm pretty confident.
00:10:38
Felicia Devine
Yeah, me too.
00:10:38
Natalie Richards
We'll see. Mm-hmm.
00:10:40
Felicia Devine
Yeah. So, you guys will all be the first know when I get my ultrasound.
00:10:45
Natalie Richards
So funny. Oh my gosh. Okay, so you're in general feeling okay, like you're eating things well, you're having a little hard time with pills, which little ick.
00:10:48
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:10:51
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah.
00:10:56
Felicia Devine
A little just as far as like, I just don't want to do it, but I have not gagged.
00:10:59
Natalie Richards
Yes.
00:11:01
Felicia Devine
I have not thrown up.
00:11:01
Natalie Richards
Amazing. It just doesn't feel like you want to.
00:11:04
Felicia Devine
I'm just like, I don't want to do it.
00:11:05
Natalie Richards
Fair enough.
00:11:06
Felicia Devine
I just keep putting it off.
00:11:07
Natalie Richards
Fair enough.
00:11:08
Felicia Devine
Yeah. So I usually end up taking my pills at like 830 at night.
00:11:09
Natalie Richards
Fine.
00:11:12
Natalie Richards
Oh, and then you feel like crud.
00:11:12
Felicia Devine
and then i And then I have a water a water belly because I have to take so much water in to swallow my pills.
00:11:18
Natalie Richards
Oh, at that point, you just just skip it. It's okay. get
00:11:23
Felicia Devine
No, because I'm convinced that they're actually helping me.
00:11:26
Natalie Richards
Okay.
00:11:26
Felicia Devine
I mean, they are, but like I'm convinced they're helping me not feel as terrible.
00:11:29
Natalie Richards
The nutrients, yeah.
00:11:30
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:11:31
Natalie Richards
well And that is probably true.
00:11:32
Felicia Devine
I don't know.
00:11:33
Natalie Richards
Oh, boy.
00:11:33
Felicia Devine
But I do take this at Liquid Omega and it's like peach smoothie.
00:11:36
Natalie Richards
Oh, ish. Oh, ish.
00:11:39
Felicia Devine
And the peach smoothie is great until about two after.
00:11:46
Natalie Richards
And then you burp it back up.
00:11:48
Felicia Devine
And then it's pure krill oil, right? I'm like, what is going on? Like the peach smoothie hits so hard.
00:11:52
Natalie Richards
Ew.
00:11:54
Felicia Devine
It's like so good until like you smack your lips twice.
00:11:57
Natalie Richards
just I can't taste it too hard.
00:11:57
Felicia Devine
And then and then it's and then it's fish oil. And I'm like, they tricked me
00:12:02
Natalie Richards
Gross.
00:12:03
Felicia Devine
And you to take a full tablespoon. So I'm just like gargling that down.
00:12:06
Natalie Richards
Gross. Okay.
00:12:08
Felicia Devine
And then i take my, oh, the other thing, Natalie, is I take my phosphatidylcholine.
00:12:08
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:12:14
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:12:14
Felicia Devine
But instead of getting capsules this time, i got a liquid.
00:12:17
Natalie Richards
Oh, you got the liquid. Is that better?
00:12:19
Felicia Devine
It's not a liquid.
00:12:19
Natalie Richards
Worse? It's a thick, she's a thick, thick girl.
00:12:21
Felicia Devine
It's not a liquid, friends. She's a molasses.
00:12:24
Natalie Richards
okay
00:12:26
Felicia Devine
She's thick and they don't they don't flavor her.
00:12:28
Natalie Richards
And it's a disgusting, like I can taste it through the capsule.
00:12:30
Felicia Devine
oh it's like, it's and I'm like,
00:12:33
Natalie Richards
I'm like,
00:12:33
Felicia Devine
Yeah. I have to use my tongue and lick it out of the half teaspoon. I'm like, and it's like a bolus because it's a molasses.
00:12:41
Natalie Richards
Ew.
00:12:42
Felicia Devine
And I'm like, I'm basically just swallowing a naked capsule because it's so, and why didn't they flavor it?
00:12:42
Natalie Richards
It's thick.
00:12:46
Natalie Richards
Yes.
00:12:49
Felicia Devine
Why didn't they do something nice?
00:12:50
Natalie Richards
Yuck. Because they're, you know, even though they're big, I feel like they're fairly easy.
00:12:52
Felicia Devine
I made a mistake. So next time I'm getting the capsules again,
00:12:58
Felicia Devine
they're slippery.
00:12:58
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:12:58
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:12:59
Natalie Richards
They're very slippery. That's the body bio, the, the PC.
00:13:02
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:13:04
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:13:04
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:13:04
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:13:05
Felicia Devine
So.
00:13:05
Natalie Richards
Yeah. That one I've always said it was like, liquid, not for me. Nope. Not in that.
00:13:09
Felicia Devine
No, because it's not a liquid. It's it's a naked gel cap.
00:13:11
Natalie Richards
No. Mm-hmm. I don't even know what it would, it's like, Gelatin mixed with oil mixed with, it I don't know what texture it is.
00:13:20
Felicia Devine
I don't even know what the ingredients are. I don't want to know.
00:13:23
Natalie Richards
i don't know what to like equate it to, but it's not.
00:13:26
Felicia Devine
It's not good. It's not good.
00:13:27
Natalie Richards
No, thank you.
00:13:28
Felicia Devine
So that was a mistake made, but I have to finish it.
00:13:28
Natalie Richards
No, thank you. That's all right.
00:13:31
Felicia Devine
So it's fine.
00:13:31
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:13:32
Felicia Devine
And then i started taking the heart and soil protein powder.
00:13:37
Natalie Richards
Nice. Do you like it?
00:13:37
Felicia Devine
Yeah. So, yeah, it's chocolate salt. And then Danny adds peanut butter in.
00:13:41
Natalie Richards
Oh, nice.
00:13:42
Felicia Devine
So that's good.
00:13:43
Natalie Richards
Nice. Love it.
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Felicia Devine
Yeah. But I can like still eat. I can still function. I'm just dog tired.
00:13:48
Natalie Richards
Good. I'd say that's a win.
00:13:50
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:13:50
Natalie Richards
That's great.
00:13:51
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:13:52
Natalie Richards
And tiredness. Yeah. If you're have really growing twin babies in there, i'd say tiredness is probably pretty normal.
00:13:54
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:14:02
Felicia Devine
Should be expected.
00:14:03
Natalie Richards
Holy cow. I can't even believe it.
00:14:04
Felicia Devine
i know. I know. So anyway, how are you,
Health Challenges and Discoveries
00:14:07
Felicia Devine
Natalie? You have a lot to catch us up on.
00:14:09
Natalie Richards
I've had a big, I've had a big, like couple weeks, very big couple weeks.
00:14:11
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Fill us in.
00:14:14
Natalie Richards
A i had like a weird fever. mold sickness again. Like it was basically identical to when like five years ago when I was in my apartment and had the mold sickness, it was literally the exact illness minus like I could breathe.
00:14:19
Felicia Devine
Did you? Wait, really? Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:14:31
Felicia Devine
What?
00:14:34
Natalie Richards
I could breathe this time and I could swallow a little bit.
00:14:34
Felicia Devine
What?
00:14:37
Natalie Richards
So it was like the same like neck swelling, like crazy lymph node swelling, like back of my throat, like inside of my throat.
00:14:43
Felicia Devine
Really? Mm-hmm. Okay.
00:14:48
Natalie Richards
but I haven't had anything like that type of sickness in literally five years. Every other time I've gotten sick, minorly, it's been like sinus up here, which also was odd for me.
00:14:57
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:14:59
Natalie Richards
So this was like a totally different, like something threw me over the edge.
00:15:04
Felicia Devine
What in the world?
00:15:04
Natalie Richards
For one night, maybe for like three hours, I had... I had a fever that was like my legs were literally burning off. Like I was so hot.
00:15:15
Natalie Richards
Like I don't take my temperature, but it was for sure 104, 105.
00:15:16
Felicia Devine
What? Yeah.
00:15:20
Natalie Richards
Like i no question in my mind.
00:15:22
Felicia Devine
Oh my gosh.
00:15:23
Natalie Richards
It was like hot, hot.
00:15:24
Felicia Devine
a
00:15:25
Natalie Richards
And I already run like hot. And I was like, I'm literally, my skin is singeing.
00:15:28
Felicia Devine
whoa
00:15:32
Felicia Devine
Burning.
00:15:32
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:15:32
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:15:33
Natalie Richards
so that was quick though. It was quick.
00:15:36
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:15:36
Natalie Richards
Like it was over, but then I stayed. sick, like not sick, sick, but just I could, I stayed very swollen in my whole neck and throat for like, honestly, it still is like somewhat there.
00:15:45
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
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Natalie Richards
And it's been almost two weeks.
00:15:50
Felicia Devine
Wow. a
00:15:52
Natalie Richards
Yeah. yeah It's been almost, almost two weeks.
00:15:53
Felicia Devine
Oh my gosh. Mm-hmm.
00:15:55
Natalie Richards
So in the heat of that, I had an appointment scheduled with the naturopath that was my mom's Lyme doctor.
00:16:03
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:16:04
Natalie Richards
So that's who she's gone to for years and years and years detects like minuscule amounts of, of Lyme if it's there for her or whatever. So she can treat it again and whatever. So it's not like a blood test situation. It's not a,
00:16:18
Natalie Richards
hair analysis. It's just like what's in your system energetically. So it's very similar to my muscle testing that I do, but it's on like a grand scale.
00:16:26
Felicia Devine
Whoa.
00:16:28
Natalie Richards
So he's using a computer program and you're holding these like probes and then like the energy and the frequencies are being tested against your body. So like he can test thousands of different things at a time and figure out like
00:16:37
Felicia Devine
whoa Wow.
00:16:43
Natalie Richards
exactly what particular bacteria or whatever is is in your system causing a problem at that moment. And then figure out against the whole database of supplements on Fullscript or otherwise, like what is the actual one thing or two things or whatever you need to fix this the best out of anything.
00:16:55
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:16:59
Felicia Devine
Right.
00:17:02
Natalie Richards
So I needed this specificity for my own sanity because i've i could have gone down but and I have gone down a gazillion rabbit holes and I've treated a lot of the things that I've had and i I'm doing pretty good.
00:17:05
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Right. Because you could have gone down like a gazillion rabbit holes.
00:17:15
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:17:17
Natalie Richards
Like on paper, I'm like,
00:17:17
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:17:19
Natalie Richards
I'm pretty good.
00:17:20
Felicia Devine
Right.
00:17:20
Natalie Richards
Hormones are good. Like skin is good.
00:17:22
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:17:22
Natalie Richards
Bowels are good. Like liver is good. All this stuff is really good, but I feel stuck and I feel stagnant.
00:17:27
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:17:36
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:17:38
Natalie Richards
and I was pretty much spot on with everything I had muscle tested. went into this and I said, pretty sure I have these things. And everything was pretty much...
00:17:50
Natalie Richards
exactly what I thought.
00:17:52
Felicia Devine
Okay. Tell us.
00:17:53
Natalie Richards
So i get there. i'm like, okay, I had, i did, I don't know if I ever told you this. I had this weird spider bite like three years ago that kind of like took my symptoms and like brought it to the next level.
00:18:03
Felicia Devine
No. Okay.
00:18:10
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:18:10
Natalie Richards
So it was like, it was kind of around that same time that I started really feeling crappy.
00:18:16
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:18:16
Natalie Richards
So it was kind of like all coincided with like, Stopping breastfeeding, got this weird spider bite on my butt.
00:18:22
Felicia Devine
Oh.
00:18:22
Natalie Richards
It was this weird thing and it like bubbled.
00:18:25
Felicia Devine
Oh.
00:18:26
Natalie Richards
It was like bubbly pussy and it was probably about the size of a quarter.
00:18:29
Felicia Devine
Oh my gosh.
00:18:30
Natalie Richards
And it was not good. And then a year after, the same exact thing reemerged. in the exact same place and the exact same thing.
00:18:40
Felicia Devine
Oh.
00:18:43
Natalie Richards
i don't think it was bit again.
00:18:43
Felicia Devine
What?
00:18:45
Natalie Richards
i think it was literally just like purging again.
00:18:48
Felicia Devine
A poison. Yeah.
00:18:49
Natalie Richards
I don't know. I don't know. To this day, I don't know. And I don't go to the doctor. i told them I'm like, i don't I don't know what it was. i didn't get it tested.
00:18:55
Felicia Devine
Right. Right.
00:18:56
Natalie Richards
I'm not going to put cortisone cream on going to do?
00:18:57
Felicia Devine
Right. Mm-hmm.
00:19:00
Natalie Richards
So I'll treat it myself.
00:19:00
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:19:08
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:19:12
Natalie Richards
So he was testing. I was telling him just like general snippets of my history. Not really like the whole thing, but things that were relevant.
00:19:18
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:19:20
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:19:21
Natalie Richards
But I had the mold exposure five years ago. I also had a mold exposure when I was two because the house we grew up in had black mold in the basement for like a while while while we were living there.
00:19:26
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:19:30
Felicia Devine
Oh gosh.
00:19:33
Felicia Devine
Oh.
00:19:35
Natalie Richards
So that that kind of set me up at least for like some of the symptoms I've had for a very long time. So this is kind of a deep, this is a really deep like situation.
00:19:45
Natalie Richards
so I've always had post-nasal drip.
00:19:45
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:19:48
Natalie Richards
I've always like cleared my throat a million times that it just never really like goes away.
00:19:51
Felicia Devine
Okay. Okay.
00:19:53
Natalie Richards
That's always been me.
00:19:54
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:19:54
Natalie Richards
I've always had like chronic strep, not strep throat, but like throat throat things.
00:19:59
Felicia Devine
Infections.
00:20:00
Natalie Richards
Yeah. Just like if I got sick, it was a sore throat always.
00:20:00
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:20:03
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:20:04
Natalie Richards
That has been different in the past three years.
00:20:04
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:20:07
Natalie Richards
So it's been very odd that it's been a shift in my immune system a little bit.
00:20:07
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm. Wow. Wow.
00:20:14
Natalie Richards
so five years ago had the major mold exposure at my apartment. What else did I tell him? And then I had the, then I got pregnant, felt amazing, lost tons of weight also by,
00:20:22
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:20:25
Natalie Richards
After I had the mold exposure, I lost like 30 pounds and that's when I got pregnant.
00:20:29
Felicia Devine
Did you really?
00:20:30
Natalie Richards
Yeah, like it was because I couldn't eat for a month.
00:20:33
Felicia Devine
oh Because you couldn't swallow?
00:20:33
Natalie Richards
I literally could not eat like at all.
00:20:36
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:20:37
Natalie Richards
So i my body did like a major detox, which we talked about. So I at least detoxed like that part, that immediate mold exposure, and then got pregnant like a couple months later, stayed metabolically so healthy, felt amazing.
00:20:41
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:20:44
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:20:53
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:20:56
Natalie Richards
breastfed, felt amazing postpartum, like incredible, lost every bit of weight that I that i gained during pregnancy.
00:20:58
Felicia Devine
hey
00:21:02
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:21:02
Natalie Richards
Then I was literally looking at my scale because I track like a body scale, like a body composition scale, and I've done it for like at least five to six years.
00:21:07
Felicia Devine
Oh. Yeah.
00:21:12
Felicia Devine
Oh, wow.
00:21:12
Natalie Richards
So I've like, I looked at it and it it was like really consistent until literally like, well, it would be three years ago.
00:21:14
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:21:23
Natalie Richards
and it jumped up like drastically.
00:21:23
Felicia Devine
Wow.
00:21:26
Natalie Richards
And it was all coincided with that spider bite or whatever bite it was, I don't even know.
00:21:30
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:21:33
Felicia Devine
Right.
00:21:34
Natalie Richards
Spider bite, stopping breastfeeding and not sleeping essentially, having a baby.
00:21:39
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah.
00:21:40
Natalie Richards
so it was like all this like nervous system dysregulation, potentially an immune dysregulation from a bite and hormone.
00:21:41
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:21:43
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:21:47
Felicia Devine
Right.
00:21:50
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:21:51
Natalie Richards
it's all this stuff that kind of happened at the same time. And I had literally, i kid you not, I've gained 30 pounds, maybe even more, 40 probably since that moment.
00:21:54
Felicia Devine
Wow.
00:22:00
Felicia Devine
Really?
00:22:02
Natalie Richards
So like I lost it all postpartum, hadn't gained it.
00:22:04
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:22:05
Natalie Richards
And then immediately within a year I had, I had gained like 40 and it's just never budged.
00:22:11
Felicia Devine
Really?
00:22:12
Natalie Richards
never budged. No matter what I do dietarily, could cut fat.
00:22:15
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:22:16
Natalie Richards
I could cut calories. I could go carnivore. I could cut dairy.
00:22:19
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:22:19
Natalie Richards
I could cut gluten. It literally doesn't budge.
00:22:22
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:22:22
Natalie Richards
So that's my story. Okay. So I go into this guy and I've been trying, I've been, I mean, the things I've done over the past three years, like I should be losing inflammation and losing weight.
00:22:30
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:22:33
Felicia Devine
Well, and you're you're like working out and like you're doing all the things.
00:22:35
Natalie Richards
Yes. And then that's the other part is i can't I can't work out more than one or two times a week without getting sick, without getting a sore throat.
00:22:41
Felicia Devine
Right. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:22:44
Natalie Richards
So that was his other thing. He's like, yeah, that's not, that certainly should not be happening.
00:22:47
Felicia Devine
Right.
00:22:49
Natalie Richards
I'm like, yeah, no kidding.
00:22:49
Felicia Devine
Right.
00:22:50
Natalie Richards
It shouldn't be happening.
00:22:51
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:22:52
Natalie Richards
So that's all like my big weird story. Yeah.
00:22:54
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:22:57
Natalie Richards
So right now it's really my persistent sicknesses that are just mostly mild until this past couple weeks.
00:23:05
Felicia Devine
Right.
00:23:05
Natalie Richards
And like, usually they last maybe a day or two and then it's done and I'm good.
00:23:10
Natalie Richards
So that was kind of an interesting sickness over the last couple of weeks.
00:23:14
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:23:16
Natalie Richards
And then the pretty much like non-responsive weight gain for no, also no reason.
00:23:21
Felicia Devine
That's crazy.
00:23:24
Natalie Richards
Like when that happened, I didn't change my diet.
00:23:26
Felicia Devine
Right.
00:23:26
Natalie Richards
I didn't, it's not like I have no, and I actually have stopped.
00:23:26
Felicia Devine
It wasn't like you were like drinking heavily and. Yeah.
00:23:30
Natalie Richards
I had stopped drinking entirely. So I had really like, if anything, I'm way cleaner than I was back then.
00:23:32
Felicia Devine
yeah
00:23:39
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:23:40
Natalie Richards
So it's just persistent. It just, and it won't go away. So I, and in my mind, I'm like, I know a this is not a calorie issue.
00:23:44
Felicia Devine
Wow.
00:23:49
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:23:49
Natalie Richards
Like I, I, I'm not going to go do a calorie deficit to go lose weight so I can stress my body more.
00:23:54
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm. Right.
00:23:56
Natalie Richards
This isn't, this isn't an overeating calorie problem.
00:23:57
Felicia Devine
Right. It's already stressed enough.
00:23:59
Natalie Richards
It's already stressed.
00:23:59
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:24:00
Natalie Richards
So I'm like, I'm not doing that because A, it's not going to work and it's not worth the stress. B, okay, could try, I suppose, a GLP-1, but I also, this is not a GLP-1 issue.
00:24:05
Felicia Devine
Mm-mm.
00:24:13
Natalie Richards
so maybe that could help me maybe a little, but it probably still wouldn't. I would, I could guarantee that it probably still would not help me in the way that it does for some people, you know?
00:24:24
Felicia Devine
Like, yeah. Yeah.
00:24:26
Natalie Richards
So I'm like, I'm going to figure this out and I'm going to heal myself and I'm going to lose this weight without really even trying. And that's kind of what I'm thinking.
00:24:33
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Good.
00:24:35
Natalie Richards
Okay.
00:24:36
Felicia Devine
I love it.
00:24:36
Natalie Richards
So that's my plan.
00:24:36
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:24:38
Natalie Richards
And that sounds insane for people who, you know, are in like the weight loss world.
00:24:38
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:24:42
Natalie Richards
I don't care. It doesn't matter. doesn't matter. Okay.
00:24:45
Felicia Devine
It doesn't matter.
00:24:45
Natalie Richards
so we went to, went to this naturopath. he's going through all the testing. It takes an hour and a half to like go through this whole system.
00:24:51
Felicia Devine
Wow.
00:24:53
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:24:54
Natalie Richards
And it's, it's fascinating because it's exactly what I do. It's just on a technological scale.
00:25:00
Felicia Devine
Like, right. Like an elevated database.
00:25:03
Natalie Richards
So it's, yeah. Yeah. So I'm like, I mean, you don't have to tell me how this works. I get it.
00:25:08
Felicia Devine
Right.
00:25:08
Natalie Richards
Like, it's I believe it.
00:25:08
Felicia Devine
You're like, I believe.
00:25:10
Natalie Richards
Let's do it. Show me what's there. So the first things that come up
00:25:14
Felicia Devine
Is it affordable?
00:25:16
Natalie Richards
I it was like I think that first appointment's like two hundred and fifty dollars.
00:25:21
Felicia Devine
Oh yeah, totally doable.
00:25:21
Natalie Richards
So that I mean, essentially, yeah, yeah.
00:25:23
Felicia Devine
Was it hard to get into?
00:25:23
Natalie Richards
Very doable. Yeah. He's super busy.
00:25:26
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:25:26
Natalie Richards
and So it took at least. Oh, gosh. It took at least two months to get an appointment.
00:25:33
Felicia Devine
Okay. Okay.
00:25:33
Natalie Richards
m
00:25:34
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:25:34
Natalie Richards
And then it's pretty much you can maybe get in every nine to ten weeks for a follow up like it's it's.
00:25:39
Felicia Devine
Wow. Yeah.
00:25:42
Natalie Richards
pretty, pretty tight.
00:25:44
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:25:44
Natalie Richards
I'm trying to get him to come to my office. So we're going to work on that where he's going to come and like, hopefully be at my office.
00:25:48
Felicia Devine
Yes.
00:25:51
Natalie Richards
We'll see.
00:25:52
Felicia Devine
Yes.
00:25:53
Natalie Richards
We'll see. We'll see. Okay. So he's going through his whole system. He has different ways of, of evaluating things. So at first I think he was testing organs just for like, like strength of organs, health of organs, whatever.
00:26:06
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:26:07
Natalie Richards
Everything was pretty good. except for like my adrenal was stressed, which, okay.
00:26:12
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:26:12
Natalie Richards
Yeah, I could have told you that, but it wasn't even that bad. So he says, honestly, most people are around an eight or a nine and that's like, he's never seen higher than that.
00:26:15
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:26:20
Natalie Richards
That's why I'm six out of, in terms of health of my adrenal.
00:26:20
Felicia Devine
okay Okay.
00:26:24
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:26:25
Natalie Richards
So we're doing like a couple of things to help with adrenal health and mitochondrial health and all of that. And then mold came up, obviously. and mold was...
00:26:35
Felicia Devine
here
00:26:38
Natalie Richards
in terms of like toxicity, it's an eight out of 10 on the toxicity level in my body, along with biotoxins, which is mycotoxins and like the the actual like problematic thing that comes off of mold and is typically indicator indicating that there's like an active mold exposure happening currently.
00:26:45
Felicia Devine
Whoa. Okay.
00:27:00
Felicia Devine
Oh no
00:27:01
Natalie Richards
So that's something I have to figure out. But that was also an eight. out of 10 in terms of body burden.
00:27:07
Felicia Devine
Severity.
00:27:08
Natalie Richards
Yeah. So mold and biotoxins, those were kind of like the main ones.
00:27:09
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:27:13
Natalie Richards
And then plasmodia came up, which is like a parasite, which of course, of course that came up. And then Lyme came up and Bartonella came up and brucellosis came up, which my brother had back in the day too.
00:27:29
Felicia Devine
Wait, brucellosis comes from Bruce the bruce the cat.
00:27:29
Natalie Richards
Brucela. the cat. Uh-huh. But it's also like buffalo, buffalo carry brucellosis. I only know that from Yellowstone.
00:27:37
Felicia Devine
Oh, okay. I'm like trying to remember my microbiology tricks.
00:27:43
Natalie Richards
I know.
00:27:43
Felicia Devine
I'm like, Bruce the cat.
00:27:44
Natalie Richards
So Borrelia, Borrelia burgdorferi is live.
00:27:45
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:27:48
Natalie Richards
And then I had Bartonella henselay, which is Bart the cat. Also cat scratch fever is Bart.
00:27:53
Felicia Devine
Oh, maybe it was Bart the cat and then Bruce.
00:27:54
Natalie Richards
But then I think Bruce, Bruce the sheep. Isn't it brucellosis sheep?
00:27:59
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:28:01
Natalie Richards
Hi, buddy. Oh, can i can I kiss it? Okay, come here. Let me kiss it. Come here.
00:28:12
Natalie Richards
Oh, all better. Okay, I'll see you. Can you close the door? Thank you. Love you.
00:28:22
Natalie Richards
So i'm trying to remember if there were ready any other things. There were a couple other things, but those were the main, but Lyme and Bartonella were like lower.
00:28:26
Felicia Devine
Oh my gosh, Nat.
00:28:31
Natalie Richards
So that it was like a 3.5 and a 2.5, which is good.
00:28:34
Felicia Devine
Okay. Which is good.
00:28:37
Natalie Richards
And honestly, i' i could have had that forever.
00:28:39
Felicia Devine
Right.
00:28:39
Natalie Richards
i don't know. I could have had that for so long and my body's just kind of like used to it.
00:28:40
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
00:28:45
Natalie Richards
The whole point of all of this is not to like even eliminate all this stuff entirely. It's just to help the body...
00:28:52
Felicia Devine
Burden.
00:28:53
Natalie Richards
it's to lower the body burden and balance things out because you should have a balance between parasites, bacteria, and mold. And mold and bacteria are kind of always these freaking dogs.
00:29:04
Natalie Richards
I'm just gonna then send them away.
00:29:07
Felicia Devine
Let them out.
00:29:09
Natalie Richards
I'm gonna send them away. Bacteria and mold have always been like fighting against each other forever, literally since the beginning of time. So now that we have sanitized the crap out of everything over the past five years for bacteria mold is really starting to become a problem and it's becoming a problem for many people it's not just not just me but there are certain people who are more intolerant of mold and i'm pretty sure i would have that genetic makeup
00:29:25
Felicia Devine
Right. Taking up vengeance. Right.
00:29:30
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:29:33
Felicia Devine
Right. Right.
00:29:38
Felicia Devine
Right.
00:29:41
Felicia Devine
Intolerance. Yeah.
00:29:41
Natalie Richards
m
00:29:42
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:29:42
Natalie Richards
And especially because of my frequent exposures.
00:29:45
Felicia Devine
Wow.
00:29:45
Natalie Richards
So I'm on. So the the other interesting thing is that the things that he came up with that were things that were going help me are so far on left field that I never would have ever come up with them.
00:29:53
Felicia Devine
Oh.
00:29:59
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:30:01
Felicia Devine
Okay, good.
00:30:02
Natalie Richards
Which is great. So like this, it was very worth no.
00:30:04
Felicia Devine
but i thought you were going to say, like, I'm already doing it. I'm like, darn it.
00:30:06
Natalie Richards
And I was doing some of it like, and and I knew I needed adrenal support.
00:30:06
Felicia Devine
Okay. Okay.
00:30:10
Natalie Richards
I've been doing, I've been doing that for a while.
00:30:11
Felicia Devine
Okay. Yeah.
00:30:13
Natalie Richards
I know I need mitochondrial support. I know I need nervous system balance.
00:30:16
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:30:17
Natalie Richards
So I've been doing all of that stuff.
00:30:19
Felicia Devine
Right.
00:30:19
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:30:19
Felicia Devine
Right.
00:30:20
Natalie Richards
So the only difference is I'm on some herbs that I have never heard of in my life. Like I i never in a million years would have been taking some of this stuff.
00:30:26
Felicia Devine
Whoa.
00:30:29
Natalie Richards
So that that's kind of cool.
00:30:29
Felicia Devine
Okay. Yeah.
00:30:31
Natalie Richards
So I'm doing a blend of like clove, cinnamon, marshmallow.
00:30:31
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:30:38
Natalie Richards
What are the other ones? Oregano, berberine, and then powdargo. Have you ever heard of that herb?
00:30:44
Felicia Devine
No.
00:30:45
Natalie Richards
Never heard of it in my life. but it it is for mold essentially.
00:30:48
Felicia Devine
Oh, okay.
00:30:50
Natalie Richards
What's the other one? And then and this enzyme blend from like Australia or New Zealand or something that I never in my wildest dreams would have ever done.
00:30:56
Felicia Devine
Oh.
00:30:59
Felicia Devine
Found. Yeah.
00:31:00
Natalie Richards
Yeah. Oh, what was the other thing? Oh, my circulation was really, was coming up as being a problem.
00:31:05
Felicia Devine
Oh.
00:31:06
Natalie Richards
So my circulation was having an issue. So we That's what that one that enzyme is for, is to help with like circulation and flow.
00:31:12
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:31:13
Natalie Richards
And then I'm doing a few homeopathics for like lymphatic drainage and and flow and mucus production and all of that stuff.
00:31:18
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:31:21
Felicia Devine
Wow.
00:31:22
Natalie Richards
So it's more involved than I probably ever would have done. Oh, and before bed, I'm taking four capsules of activated charcoal every day to bind the toxin, the biotoxins in my gut, which I never...
00:31:35
Felicia Devine
Whoa.
00:31:37
Natalie Richards
ever would have been like, I'm going to kill, like, I'm going to die if I take that money.
00:31:37
Felicia Devine
Four. Yeah. No, you're going to dry up and yeah. Four.
00:31:43
Natalie Richards
And I can see it in my poop in the morning. I'm like, if it's black.
00:31:47
Felicia Devine
Oh my gosh.
00:31:49
Natalie Richards
But I'm trusting the process.
00:31:49
Felicia Devine
Are you constipated?
00:31:50
Natalie Richards
No, not at all.
00:31:51
Felicia Devine
oh okay.
00:31:52
Natalie Richards
Not at all. No, it's great.
00:31:54
Felicia Devine
Wow.
00:31:55
Natalie Richards
So everything is feeling good. I did my test, my my scale today, and I have lost three pounds in a week.
00:32:00
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:32:04
Natalie Richards
maybe two. Well, since I started the lymphatic drainage, it's been almost two weeks, three pounds and like 1% body fat, no change in muscle, which I've never had a change in muscle to muscles tone this entire time.
00:32:07
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:32:16
Felicia Devine
No. Right. Right.
00:32:18
Natalie Richards
So muscle, bone, hydration, everything stays the same.
00:32:20
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:32:22
Natalie Richards
It's literally just fat and visceral fat has gone up.
00:32:25
Felicia Devine
Wow.
00:32:26
Natalie Richards
So I lost a percentage point and and a few pounds. And that hasn't happened in three years.
00:32:30
Felicia Devine
Oh my gosh.
00:32:32
Natalie Richards
I have never gone down. It's only ever crept up.
00:32:34
Felicia Devine
Wow. Oh my gosh. That's excellent, Natalie.
00:32:37
Natalie Richards
So that's kind of interesting.
00:32:38
Felicia Devine
That's great.
00:32:39
Natalie Richards
So here we are.
00:32:40
Felicia Devine
Oh, I love that.
00:32:41
Natalie Richards
And I actually feel pretty good.
00:32:41
Felicia Devine
Now, how involved is the routine? Is it like all these things are combined?
00:32:43
Natalie Richards
It's involved. I'm doing things three times a day.
00:32:46
Felicia Devine
Oh.
00:32:47
Natalie Richards
But I'm actually sticking to it which I'm also surprised with myself.
00:32:51
Felicia Devine
Probably because somebody else advised you.
00:32:52
Natalie Richards
Somebody, exactly. I needed somebody else to tell me what to do.
00:32:54
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:32:57
Natalie Richards
So I'm learning a lot. I don't know that this is even what most people would have to do for their mold, but I'm doing a lot of the things I'm doing is very just different.
00:32:58
Felicia Devine
When do you go back? Mm-hmm.
00:33:06
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:33:06
Natalie Richards
I'm going back in like six weeks, I think. So, so I'm doing all of this stuff for six weeks and then, and then that's it.
00:33:08
Felicia Devine
Okay. Very good.
00:33:14
Felicia Devine
and then you retest and see what you need.
00:33:15
Natalie Richards
And then we retest and we see, so then maybe we deal with the lime then after this.
00:33:19
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:33:19
Natalie Richards
So then maybe we'll do a different, a different blend of tinctures and whatever.
00:33:20
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:33:24
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Does he make them at his office or are they all like brands?
00:33:27
Natalie Richards
No, they're all brands.
00:33:28
Felicia Devine
yeah
00:33:29
Natalie Richards
Yeah, they're all brands.
00:33:30
Felicia Devine
Very cool.
00:33:30
Natalie Richards
So I know it's been fun.
00:33:31
Felicia Devine
my God. That's amazing.
00:33:32
Natalie Richards
So I'm excited, actually.
00:33:33
Felicia Devine
That's great news.
00:33:34
Natalie Richards
it's It's feeling good. And I'm finally, finally feeling better right now.
00:33:39
Felicia Devine
Okay. Yeah.
00:33:39
Natalie Richards
Like just sickness wise, finally, after a couple of weeks.
00:33:44
Felicia Devine
yeah You're going to have a great summer.
00:33:44
Natalie Richards
So it's going to be it's going to be just fine. I'm going I'm going I am, I think. So I'm continuing all my other stuff, all my red light and my vibration plate and my saunas.
00:33:49
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:33:55
Natalie Richards
I've been upping the saunas.
00:33:56
Felicia Devine
Have you?
00:33:56
Natalie Richards
upping saunas with the activated charcoal to help bind a lot more.
00:33:56
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:34:01
Natalie Richards
And I've actually started sweating a lot more.
00:34:01
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah.
00:34:04
Natalie Richards
So that's good.
00:34:04
Felicia Devine
Good.
00:34:05
Natalie Richards
I was having a little, I would sweat a little, but it was just not where, no, not where it needed to be.
00:34:07
Felicia Devine
Yeah. You weren't sweating like you needed to. Yeah.
00:34:13
Natalie Richards
So that's good. I did Pilates yesterday, but then I li i got an increase in my sore throat like within a few hours. And I was like, okay.
00:34:22
Felicia Devine
Darn it.
00:34:22
Natalie Richards
And it was not a hard class. so So we're treading lightly with activity and all of that, but yep, pretty
00:34:30
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah. Just letting your body heal.
Parenting Adventures
00:34:34
Natalie Richards
much.
00:34:34
Felicia Devine
oh
00:34:34
Natalie Richards
So then in other news, Jeannie is potty trained officially.
00:34:37
Felicia Devine
Yes. So tell me, he's out of the diaper?
00:34:42
Natalie Richards
Yeah, except, I mean, at night he wears one still, but like most, most days he wakes up without anything in his diaper, which is shocking to me.
00:34:44
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Right.
00:34:50
Felicia Devine
What happened?
00:34:50
Natalie Richards
He would wake up every single morning with a full, full diaper.
00:34:53
Felicia Devine
h
00:34:55
Natalie Richards
And then all of a sudden he's like, oh no, I i can go 12 hours without peeing.
00:35:00
Felicia Devine
What changed his perspective on putting on a diaper?
00:35:00
Natalie Richards
Like what?
00:35:05
Natalie Richards
I just woke up one day. it was when I was sick. I woke up one day and I said, you're not wearing anything today. Okay. You're just going to I said, you were done with diapers.
00:35:14
Felicia Devine
Yep.
00:35:17
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:35:18
Natalie Richards
I forget what I said to him in the, in the morning. I prepped him one night and I was like, we're we're not doing this tomorrow. So enjoy your diaper right now.
00:35:24
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:35:26
Natalie Richards
And then I realized, I go, oh, we don't want to throw them away entirely. He'll still get them for nighttime. So then I was like, when it's nighttime, you can put a diaper on again and it's okay.
00:35:31
Felicia Devine
Right. Yeah. Yeah.
00:35:35
Natalie Richards
And he was, it was hard. The first day he was like, I need my diapers.
00:35:38
Felicia Devine
Really?
00:35:40
Natalie Richards
I need my diapers.
00:35:41
Felicia Devine
oh
00:35:42
Natalie Richards
But then after a day, He was fine.
00:35:44
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:35:45
Natalie Richards
And he was fully, I kid you not, in one day he was fully potty trained. He did every single thing in the toilet because he could.
00:35:49
Felicia Devine
Wow.
00:35:52
Felicia Devine
Wow.
00:35:53
Natalie Richards
Because he was perfectly capable.
00:35:53
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah, he just he just had that crutch of wanting his diaper.
00:35:56
Natalie Richards
Perfectly capable. Booping, peeing. He just wanted his diaper.
00:35:58
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:36:00
Natalie Richards
So then he has he's had no problems. He had like one, he was at the office the second day and he had like an accident in his pants that because he was like,
00:36:03
Felicia Devine
Wow. Mm-hmm.
00:36:11
Felicia Devine
Busy.
00:36:11
Natalie Richards
in a different environment and busy and and distracted.
00:36:13
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:36:14
Natalie Richards
so Other than that, it's been literally smooth sailing ever since.
00:36:18
Felicia Devine
Good.
00:36:19
Natalie Richards
It's used the car potty a couple times.
00:36:19
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah.
00:36:21
Natalie Richards
Oh, oh, no. The first day we did it. I'm ridiculous. I'm so dumb. The first day we did it without diapers during the day, we went to the reptile show.
00:36:33
Natalie Richards
That was the last time that was that was when I decided to do it.
00:36:35
Felicia Devine
Oh my gosh, did you?
00:36:37
Natalie Richards
But it was a monsoon that day and we were on the highway. And he's like, mommy, I have to potty.
00:36:44
Felicia Devine
And you're like, nope.
00:36:45
Natalie Richards
and I go, okay. So I'm literally in the middle of a rain storm. Like O'Hare was closing flights down. It was so bad.
00:36:56
Felicia Devine
Oh my gosh.
00:36:56
Natalie Richards
And this the rain is coming sideways on the highway. And we're in the back of the car going potty in the toilet.
00:37:04
Felicia Devine
And he did it.
00:37:05
Natalie Richards
He did it. He did it. And it was great.
00:37:07
Felicia Devine
Oh my God. Lovely.
00:37:08
Natalie Richards
I just was like, really? I chose today? I chose today to do this.
00:37:11
Felicia Devine
Oh my gosh. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, good for you though. Rip that bandaid off.
00:37:17
Natalie Richards
So we did it and it was great. And now everything is perfect.
00:37:18
Felicia Devine
Good.
00:37:20
Natalie Richards
And he's good.
00:37:20
Felicia Devine
oh
00:37:21
Natalie Richards
He's done with his floor bed too. Last night he or two nights ago, he goes, I'm going to sleep in my big bed tonight. go, okay. And he's wearing pajamas. I go, what? Who are you? who are you?
00:37:34
Felicia Devine
Because he used to sleep naked. Well, diapered.
00:37:35
Natalie Richards
yeah You know what? You know what I think it actually is? He had a fever that day I was texting you.
00:37:38
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:37:41
Natalie Richards
Remember sent you those pictures?
00:37:43
Felicia Devine
Yes, yeah.
00:37:43
Natalie Richards
and he His sickness was like quick.
00:37:46
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:37:47
Natalie Richards
He had a fever and he was like down for the count for four hours and he he wasn't speaking, wasn't moving.
00:37:50
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:37:54
Natalie Richards
He was like just kind of watching TV.
00:37:54
Felicia Devine
Yeah, just laying. Yeah.
00:37:59
Natalie Richards
And then I think that's what did it. the fever like like woke him back, woke his little brain back up.
00:38:05
Felicia Devine
Wow.
00:38:06
Natalie Richards
Which happens. Hello, River.
00:38:08
Felicia Devine
That's crazy.
00:38:08
Natalie Richards
Hello, River. It's kind of funny because that happens. I don't know if you have has Seppi ever had a fever?
00:38:12
Felicia Devine
no Yeah.
00:38:15
Natalie Richards
I find that like abilities change after a fever.
00:38:20
Felicia Devine
Oh.
00:38:21
Natalie Richards
Like for the better.
00:38:23
Felicia Devine
Oh.
00:38:23
Natalie Richards
Like brain abilities are better.
00:38:25
Felicia Devine
Cool. Hopefully my brain abilities are better after I get a fever.
00:38:27
Natalie Richards
i know. I know.
00:38:28
Natalie Richards
No kidding. Uh-huh.
00:38:30
Felicia Devine
It's spring cleans up there.
00:38:31
Natalie Richards
or
00:38:32
Felicia Devine
Well, yesterday were getting Seppy ready for his nap and he still wears a diaper to nap and go to bed at night. So we had him go potty and then went to his room and we're like, okay, time for diaper.
00:38:44
Felicia Devine
And he picks up his diaper. He goes, no dipey. And he puts it down. He goes, no dipey.
00:38:47
Natalie Richards
then you're like, oh no.
00:38:49
Felicia Devine
He goes, undies.
00:38:50
Natalie Richards
Fine.
00:38:50
Felicia Devine
And he goes and he pulls out fresh pair of undies and goes, undies.
00:38:52
Natalie Richards
No kidding.
00:38:54
Felicia Devine
And I'm like, okay, Seppy, you can wear undies to nap, but you need to wake up dry.
00:38:55
Natalie Richards
Oh no.
00:38:59
Felicia Devine
You cannot go pee in your undies.
00:39:02
Natalie Richards
no kidding
00:39:02
Felicia Devine
I said, no pee. So he puts on his new undies. He puts on his pajama pants. We get him in a sleep sack. He goes, he takes a two and a half hour nap, like crushes it. He wakes up, he's chatting.
00:39:13
Felicia Devine
I go in there and he goes, oh,
00:39:17
Felicia Devine
I go, Seppy. He goes, sorry, Seppy. He goes, oh I go, you peed in your panties, didn't you?
00:39:26
Natalie Richards
I mean, so little to be doing that over sleeping.
00:39:29
Felicia Devine
m Yeah. Yeah. So I said, it's okay. We tried. We tried.
00:39:33
Natalie Richards
Absolutely.
00:39:35
Felicia Devine
but this is just our little lesson that we need to wear a dipy.
00:39:37
Natalie Richards
one for a little bit longer.
00:39:38
Felicia Devine
You're just not ready.
00:39:39
Natalie Richards
I know Gene said that the other day too.
00:39:39
Felicia Devine
You're just not ready. So today, no fight. Oh
00:39:42
Natalie Richards
And he's like, He's like, oh, I don't want to wear a diaper tonight. I go what? Who are you?
00:39:47
Felicia Devine
my gosh.
00:39:47
Natalie Richards
And then he's like, oh, no, I do. I do.
00:39:49
Felicia Devine
Yeah, actually I do want it.
00:39:49
Natalie Richards
And I was like, I'm not ready for this because I don't have the waterproof thing down. i'm No, I'm not ready for that.
00:39:53
Felicia Devine
Right, right. You're like, I'm not prepared for this big brain change.
00:39:56
Natalie Richards
No. No.
00:39:57
Natalie Richards
no
00:39:58
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:39:58
Felicia Devine
And I was like fine with letting him try because it was just a nap. If it was overnight and I knew he was going wetting his pants and then we'd have to change the bed.
00:40:02
Natalie Richards
Yeah. Yeah.
00:40:06
Felicia Devine
Like I wasn't for that.
00:40:06
Natalie Richards
And it would be a huge thing. No.
00:40:08
Felicia Devine
Yeah. So for a nap.
00:40:09
Natalie Richards
No.
00:40:09
Felicia Devine
And then I was like, let us just learn that this is not, you're not ready. So today, no fight when we went for a nap and put on a diaper and he was fine.
00:40:17
Natalie Richards
Amazing.
00:40:18
Felicia Devine
So sometimes, I mean, not often, he's woken up from the night once dry, like all night once.
00:40:23
Natalie Richards
Okay.
00:40:25
Felicia Devine
I don't know what happened there. I was like, are you dehydrated?
00:40:26
Natalie Richards
Yeah, I don't, right.
00:40:27
Felicia Devine
And then he's woken up from a nap like a handful of times, right? But he usually just pees. This kid slugs, slugs water, still nurses, drinks cow milk.
00:40:33
Natalie Richards
great. That's how Jean is too. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:40:38
Felicia Devine
Like he drinks so much fluid, eats fruits and vegetables like crazy.
00:40:40
Natalie Richards
Drinking so much fluid.
00:40:43
Felicia Devine
Like I'm like, I don't know. You're just going to you're going to be in diapers for a little bit, I think.
00:40:48
Natalie Richards
Yep. Until his bladder gets a little bigger or whatever.
00:40:51
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:40:51
Natalie Richards
i don't know what, I don't know what.
00:40:51
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah. And he had been sleeping through the night since you visited. But the past few nights, like last night, he was up twice.
00:40:59
Natalie Richards
Okay. Well, the full moon was, was two nights ago.
00:41:03
Felicia Devine
Yeah. But he's not hard to put back to bed. so
00:41:06
Natalie Richards
Yeah. good
00:41:07
Felicia Devine
he actually did pretty well with the full moon this time, which I feel like in previous previous months, it's been like a disaster.
00:41:09
Natalie Richards
Good. Good.
00:41:13
Natalie Richards
It's been a little rough. Mm-hmm.
00:41:14
Felicia Devine
Like around the holidays, i was like, you're possessed.
00:41:16
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:41:18
Felicia Devine
Oh, yeah. I have a story.
00:41:22
Natalie Richards
Can't wait.
00:41:23
Felicia Devine
Okay. so my birthday was last weekend, right?
00:41:26
Natalie Richards
Yes.
00:41:27
Felicia Devine
Yes.
00:41:27
Natalie Richards
Happy birthday.
00:41:27
Felicia Devine
And thank you. And Danny got me my favorite cake, which is, it's from the company milk bar. Yeah.
00:41:35
Natalie Richards
Yeah. Like anyone.
00:41:36
Felicia Devine
And is that like funfetti one?
00:41:37
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:41:37
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm. So we had it for our wedding and we usually get it for like a birthday here and there. So he ordered it for my birthday and we had been slowly chipping away at it.
00:41:42
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:41:47
Natalie Richards
Yes.
00:41:48
Felicia Devine
So I had a piece of cake on Friday night in bed. I was starving.
00:41:54
Natalie Richards
Okay.
00:41:55
Felicia Devine
I said, I need cake or I need cake right now.
00:41:55
Natalie Richards
That's amazing. Cake in bed.
00:41:58
Felicia Devine
Danny, Danny, I need cake. So he went and got me cake.
00:42:01
Natalie Richards
That's the best.
00:42:01
Felicia Devine
So I'm eating the cake. Okay. Seppy wakes up in the middle night. Seppy nurses. Okay. Yesterday morning, Daphne and my brother came over. So it's Sep and I, Shay and Daphne. We're in the playroom.
00:42:14
Felicia Devine
Giuseppe was a terror, Natalie.
00:42:18
Natalie Richards
There we go.
00:42:19
Felicia Devine
A terror.
00:42:19
Natalie Richards
It's the die.
00:42:20
Felicia Devine
Like,
00:42:20
Natalie Richards
It's the die.
00:42:21
Felicia Devine
Like he anytime Daphne would go do something, he would go rip it out of her hands and push her over, steal the item.
00:42:26
Natalie Richards
a
00:42:29
Felicia Devine
I'm like, what is going on?
00:42:30
Natalie Richards
Oh my.
00:42:31
Felicia Devine
My brother was like, I was like, no shade. Like he's never like this. The only other time I can point when he had this problem was when he had the blue dye from me from The Rita's, the Italian ice.
00:42:36
Natalie Richards
Wow.
00:42:39
Natalie Richards
When you had the poopy burgers. Italian ice.
00:42:44
Felicia Devine
So I was like, Shay, I've been eating the milk bar cake. And then he nursed, because usually I'll eat it after he goes to bed and then he'll sleep through the night. I think it's out of my milk supply.
00:42:54
Natalie Richards
Oh my gosh.
00:42:55
Felicia Devine
But that night he woke up and nursed in the middle of the night, probably when it was still in my milk supply. So in the morning, he was a terror.
00:43:00
Natalie Richards
For sure.
00:43:03
Felicia Devine
He slept it off, thankfully. So yesterday afternoon when we went over to their house, they played together in the playroom independently. No problem. Totally fine. Totally kosher. They were independently playing.
00:43:13
Natalie Richards
all That's all i need to hear.
00:43:15
Felicia Devine
Everyone's getting along.
00:43:16
Natalie Richards
That's all I need to know.
00:43:17
Felicia Devine
Dan's like, oh my gosh. Like, it's obvious.
00:43:20
Natalie Richards
Well, that's what would happen with Gene. He would be
00:43:22
Felicia Devine
okay
00:43:22
Natalie Richards
a nightmare with like the teeniest little bit.
00:43:25
Felicia Devine
Menace.
00:43:27
Natalie Richards
And I was like, oh no this is not happening.
00:43:27
Felicia Devine
okay Yeah.
00:43:30
Natalie Richards
Which now I don't know if he would react the same way because he's bigger.
00:43:30
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:43:33
Felicia Devine
Right. Right. Dan and I were talking about that.
00:43:34
Natalie Richards
like when he was Giuseppe's age, it was like, what just happened?
00:43:36
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:43:39
Natalie Richards
Like this kid is an actual possessed being.
00:43:39
Felicia Devine
Uh-huh.
00:43:43
Natalie Richards
Yeah,
00:43:43
Felicia Devine
No, like he would literally go over and like destroy a toy. Like we have like little popsicle sticks and things. He would destroy a toy, dump it all out and like throw it around and then walk away from it.
00:43:50
Natalie Richards
yeah like lose it.
00:43:53
Felicia Devine
And I'm like, we don't do that.
00:43:53
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:43:55
Felicia Devine
Like we've never done that. That's not behavior we ever approve of. I had to put him on timeout twice yesterday.
00:44:00
Natalie Richards
Oh my gosh.
00:44:01
Felicia Devine
We don't even do timeout.
00:44:02
Natalie Richards
No, doesn't know what that is.
00:44:02
Felicia Devine
I'm like, this kid doesn't even know how to do timeout. And I'm like, I'm like making it up as I go. Cause I'm like, you don't even, he's not even like listening. It was crazy. And i was like, it was literally from a funfetti cake that i ate that he got psycho from.
00:44:17
Natalie Richards
my gosh.
00:44:18
Felicia Devine
Yeah. So I was like, so then I just, I can't eat the cake anymore.
00:44:19
Natalie Richards
Let this be a lesson.
00:44:21
Felicia Devine
i mean, that's the only dye I've had in months.
00:44:21
Natalie Richards
Oh my gosh.
00:44:23
Felicia Devine
I don't eat dye ever, never.
00:44:24
Natalie Richards
Right. Right. o
00:44:28
Felicia Devine
So I'm like, that is a hard lesson I'm learning.
00:44:28
Natalie Richards
Isn't that so crazy?
00:44:30
Felicia Devine
And Dan and I were talking about – because Dan's like, well, when he's 20, is he not going to be able to eat dye? And I'm like, I think when you get older, your body has a bigger and larger capacity.
00:44:38
Natalie Richards
You can handle it, of course.
00:44:40
Felicia Devine
But at this age, he just is not there yet.
00:44:43
Natalie Richards
Yep. And even just a little bit. I remember somebody saying from like their kid eating one mini marshmallow.
00:44:46
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:44:51
Felicia Devine
Oh, no.
00:44:51
Natalie Richards
with like the teeniest amount of blue in it, like they lost their mind or having something like a temporary tattoo on, that was enough to make them go insane.
00:44:52
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean –
00:44:58
Felicia Devine
Oh.
00:45:02
Felicia Devine
Wow. Wow.
00:45:03
Natalie Richards
So just little.
00:45:03
Felicia Devine
I had a patient in the other day and she said that her mom gave the kids something, forget what it was. And she's like, she's like, we have to do detox baths.
00:45:14
Felicia Devine
Like they're still having reactions.
00:45:14
Natalie Richards
my gosh.
00:45:16
Felicia Devine
And I guess yellow is the longest lasting in the system. And it's all, it's like, it's like mental neurological stuff.
00:45:20
Natalie Richards
Really?
00:45:24
Felicia Devine
It's not behavioral stuff, which I guess is still neurological, but like, like yellow's trickier.
00:45:25
Natalie Richards
I see. Yeah. More like neuro inflammation.
00:45:30
Felicia Devine
inflammation. so they're doing like charcoal baths, bentonite clay, trying to get it out of these kids.
00:45:34
Natalie Richards
oh my word.
00:45:38
Felicia Devine
I'm like, oh my God, is that my future?
00:45:40
Natalie Richards
I know. And the thing it, no, because you're, you just don't, everybody just knows that he can't have it.
00:45:41
Felicia Devine
Is that my future, Natalie?
00:45:46
Felicia Devine
I know. Don't do die You can't have die
00:45:48
Natalie Richards
We just, he just can't do it. That's literally what everyone knows about Jean and Jean knows. He says, does this have dye in it?
00:45:54
Felicia Devine
Okay. So he knows.
00:45:55
Natalie Richards
I can't. He knows. Oh yeah, he knows.
00:45:56
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:45:57
Natalie Richards
He went up. He was with my mom at lunch somewhere where it was like an order at the counter place. And they have like things in the cat, like sweet things, you know, he's sitting at lunch eating with her and he gets, it doesn't say a word. He gets up out of the seat, just walks over by himself up to the counter, apparently asks for something.
00:46:19
Natalie Richards
But he says, does that have dye in it? And the girl gave him a cookie like or like a brownie or something.
00:46:27
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:46:27
Natalie Richards
Just like, here you go. You can just have this. and But he made sure that he asked, does it?
00:46:30
Felicia Devine
Aww.
00:46:32
Felicia Devine
If it had dye in it.
00:46:33
Natalie Richards
But I can't. But I can't have dye.
00:46:36
Felicia Devine
Oh my gosh. So I guess I just have to train him that like, we just can't have dye.
00:46:37
Natalie Richards
So he knows. He just knows. Like red dye or dye makes your brain go crazy. And we just we don't do that.
00:46:45
Felicia Devine
yeah
00:46:45
Natalie Richards
We just don't do that.
00:46:46
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:46:47
Natalie Richards
And that's like my one, I don't have many rules to be completely honest.
00:46:47
Felicia Devine
I know. I'm like, oh yeah.
00:46:51
Natalie Richards
I really don't.
00:46:52
Felicia Devine
Organic grapes. No dye.
00:46:54
Natalie Richards
Pretty much. And no diet, like, is that so much to ask? Is he really that deprived?
00:46:59
Felicia Devine
no, I know.
00:46:59
Natalie Richards
No, he literally gets whatever the hell he wants. He can eat truly on a normal day.
00:47:02
Felicia Devine
Right.
00:47:04
Natalie Richards
He can have whatever he wants. I don't have many rules. If he wants a little, a little tablespoon of ice cream here and there, I don't care.
00:47:07
Felicia Devine
Right.
00:47:10
Felicia Devine
Right.
00:47:10
Natalie Richards
i really don't.
00:47:11
Felicia Devine
Right. you and Yeah.
00:47:12
Natalie Richards
Cause the things I have in my house are like,
00:47:14
Felicia Devine
Are die-free and fine.
00:47:15
Natalie Richards
they're approved they're fine i don't care like the sugar doesn't make a difference to me whatever because it doesn't change his behavior die absolutely does so
00:47:15
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right.
00:47:25
Felicia Devine
yeah Yeah, I know. It was so alarming because I was just like in a tailspin like yesterday morning. I'm like, what is happening? And then I was like, it's the cake that I ate.
00:47:37
Natalie Richards
totally isn't that crazy which i never really thought about that being a possibility but i
00:47:38
Felicia Devine
who Insane.
00:47:44
Felicia Devine
i know. Well, and then to think like how sensitive he must be if it's through my milk.
00:47:45
Natalie Richards
course it is.
00:47:50
Felicia Devine
And it's not even like I ate a blue cake. I ate a cake with sprinkles in it.
00:47:54
Natalie Richards
Sprinkles. I know.
00:47:56
Felicia Devine
But honestly, I bet you there's blue dye in the frosting and stuff to make it that white, right?
00:47:59
Natalie Richards
They prep to make it that white. It's very possible.
00:48:02
Felicia Devine
i don't know. It's just crazy.
00:48:03
Natalie Richards
I'm not sure. Not for sure.
00:48:04
Felicia Devine
So I just have to be extra careful.
00:48:06
Natalie Richards
Hmm.
00:48:07
Felicia Devine
It's fine. It's just like alarming. And honestly, some kids act like that every day.
00:48:13
Natalie Richards
Well, exactly.
00:48:15
Felicia Devine
And so their parents have no idea whether or not they're – I mean, they are dye sensitive, but they're that's their normal.
00:48:20
Natalie Richards
That's their normal because they're eating things with dye in it multiple times throughout the day.
00:48:24
Felicia Devine
And they're sensitive. Mm-hmm.
00:48:26
Natalie Richards
So they act like that all the time.
00:48:26
Felicia Devine
Yeah, it's it's crazy.
00:48:28
Natalie Richards
And you wouldn't necessarily know that it's the dye in that case because...
00:48:29
Felicia Devine
So, mm-mm. Right, because it's you're so deep into it.
00:48:33
Natalie Richards
Right. Right.
00:48:36
Felicia Devine
You're so deep into it. Yeah, I mean, I'm fortunate in the sense that, like, Giuseppe does not eat out.
00:48:37
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:48:40
Felicia Devine
We bring his food everywhere we go. I know exactly what he's eating.
00:48:44
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm.
00:48:44
Felicia Devine
I send his food everywhere he goes, if he's at my mother-in-law's, if he's at shay and Amanda's house.
00:48:48
Natalie Richards
Yep.
00:48:48
Felicia Devine
I mean, and Amanda eat the exact same way.
00:48:50
Natalie Richards
And people know, people know that you're, that he eats that and that's what he eats and eat it there's just things that he's not going to eat.
00:48:52
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm. That's what he eats. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Like the bank stopped asking if I wanted a lollipop.
00:49:01
Natalie Richards
Right, right.
00:49:01
Felicia Devine
Because I'm like, we don't eat lollipops.
00:49:03
Natalie Richards
Thank goodness they ask.
00:49:04
Felicia Devine
Thank you. yeah Yeah. Right. I actually overheard them. they were So I go into the bank.
00:49:09
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:49:09
Felicia Devine
because i deposit Dan's paychecks.
00:49:12
Natalie Richards
Oh, yeah.
00:49:12
Felicia Devine
And so it's like, it's just easier if I'm in person they know me, it's like way easier than like, who is this?
00:49:15
Natalie Richards
yeah then Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The drive-thru, yeah.
00:49:18
Felicia Devine
So Sep and I always go in and I heard the guy over the, like he was working with somebody in the car and he goes, anything for the back? Instead of being like, does your kid want a lollipop?
00:49:30
Felicia Devine
So it was very kind.
00:49:30
Natalie Richards
Oh, that's great.
00:49:32
Felicia Devine
Anything for the back?
00:49:32
Natalie Richards
That's great.
00:49:33
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Because I don't know. I just feel like it like Sepp has some trigger words. Like, do you want to go to walk?
00:49:39
Natalie Richards
Absolutely. knows.
00:49:40
Felicia Devine
And he like can't forget about it. So like I'm sure some kids like if you want a lollipop and then your mom says no, but you heard the word lollipop, you'd be like freaking out.
00:49:43
Natalie Richards
Absolutely. na here My mom tells the story. The first time I ever ate sugar, like real sugar, i was probably 18 months old.
00:49:53
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Oh, my gosh.
00:49:56
Natalie Richards
Literally, she she did not feed me anything.
00:49:56
Felicia Devine
what
00:49:59
Felicia Devine
What happened? Like who gave it to you?
00:50:01
Natalie Richards
And we were in a grocery store and the lady's like, oh, does she want a cookie? Handing me the cookie. So I had a bite of the cookie. And she my mom was mortified.
00:50:10
Felicia Devine
Oh my gosh. Yeah. Yeah.
00:50:13
Natalie Richards
but then that created other problems. So it's that's also not necessarily the way to be either.
00:50:19
Felicia Devine
my brother, were, yeah, my, so right.
00:50:20
Natalie Richards
My brother was a psychopath because he was deprived.
00:50:25
Felicia Devine
Right. yeah
00:50:26
Natalie Richards
Like, really.
00:50:26
Felicia Devine
My brother, what well, my mom took, I wasn't alive yet. So my mom took my sister and my brother to, uh, like a parade, I think a rodeo parade.
00:50:32
Natalie Richards
Sure.
00:50:36
Felicia Devine
And my brother, I think was like around, eating age, but hasn't eaten it. He has not eaten a solid food yet. So he was still nursing, not like eating yet.
00:50:42
Natalie Richards
Yes.
00:50:45
Felicia Devine
And they're sitting there. And I think Shay was on my mom's lap. And my mom was like talking to Alex and the kid next to Shay fed him a Cheeto. My mom lost her mind because she's like, no.
00:51:00
Felicia Devine
Like, you know, like my mom is like us, you know, like whole foods.
00:51:03
Natalie Richards
Yes.
00:51:05
Felicia Devine
Like, oh, my God.
00:51:05
Natalie Richards
yes
00:51:07
Felicia Devine
she is So like that story. And then to this day, my brother hates Cheetos.
00:51:11
Natalie Richards
Well, good, because he was traumatized.
00:51:12
Felicia Devine
Yeah. He was traumatized.
00:51:12
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm.
00:51:13
Felicia Devine
He was force fed a Cheeto as his first food.
00:51:15
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm.
00:51:17
Felicia Devine
i love Cheetos. that was That was not my problem.
00:51:19
Natalie Richards
That is
00:51:21
Felicia Devine
But
00:51:22
Natalie Richards
Uh-huh.
00:51:22
Felicia Devine
I know. i know.
00:51:23
Natalie Richards
uhu
00:51:23
Felicia Devine
So, yeah, the food thing is just so fascinating. And it's like, I try not to be, like you said, i don't have a lot of rules.
00:51:27
Natalie Richards
It really is.
00:51:31
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:51:31
Felicia Devine
You can eat anything in my pantry except for the ruffles.
00:51:33
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:51:35
Felicia Devine
You can eat anything in my pantry.
00:51:35
Natalie Richards
Right. just Except for the things that we don't know how they got here.
00:51:39
Felicia Devine
Except for the things i don't know where they came from. and how long they've been there. But the crazy part when I ate the ruffle was like, it wasn't bad.
00:51:42
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:51:46
Felicia Devine
And I'm like, that's a sign of like craziness because
00:51:48
Natalie Richards
No kidding. for
00:51:49
Felicia Devine
I've never even seen the ruffle, so it had to have been there for a long time.
00:51:52
Natalie Richards
Yes. And they're totally fine.
00:51:53
Felicia Devine
Anyway. But, like, he wants eat meat stick. Eat a meat stick. It has no preservatives in it and no fillers in it.
00:51:59
Natalie Richards
Yep.
00:52:00
Felicia Devine
I'm like, eat a meat stick. You can eat a meat stick for lunch. Have at it.
00:52:03
Natalie Richards
Yep. Yep.
00:52:04
Felicia Devine
Eat the meat stick.
00:52:04
Natalie Richards
That's how we are. I'm like, I don't care.
00:52:05
Felicia Devine
I don't care.
00:52:06
Natalie Richards
i don't care.
00:52:06
Felicia Devine
I don't care. Did I tell you about the lady at the grocery store with the meat stick?
00:52:09
Natalie Richards
i don't know Oh, yes
00:52:13
Felicia Devine
Okay, so we're at the grocery store, and Giuseppe's on his, like, last five minutes of patience, which he does great.
00:52:19
Natalie Richards
yes.
00:52:20
Felicia Devine
He really does. Like, I don't have to really, like, be concerned when we go to the grocery store. So he's sitting in the cart, and I'm about to start checking out. And... I'm like taking stuff out of the cart.
00:52:31
Felicia Devine
So he's like facing the lady next, right?
00:52:33
Natalie Richards
Yes. but Yeah.
00:52:34
Felicia Devine
Like they're like eye to eye and she's like, Oh, she's so cute.
00:52:36
Natalie Richards
They're having a combo.
00:52:38
Felicia Devine
And I'm like, again, it's a boy.
00:52:38
Natalie Richards
if All the time, all the time.
00:52:40
Felicia Devine
It's a boy every time he's a boy. and I'm like, so I'm taking stuff there and she starts laughing and she's like, Oh my God. i mean, he, she she said something along the lines of like, she likes those.
00:52:51
Felicia Devine
And I like, didn't really understand what she
Humorous Exchanges and Reflections
00:52:53
Felicia Devine
was saying. And she's like, well, at least it's not candy. And I'm thinking to myself, lady, this meat stick costs $3.99.
00:53:00
Natalie Richards
how right How are we comparing this to candy?
00:53:03
Felicia Devine
and we're comparing this meat stick to at least it's not candy. I'm like, it could have been anything else.
00:53:10
Natalie Richards
A breadstick.
00:53:11
Felicia Devine
Why? Like, yeah. I'm like, what? And I just like ignore her. I'm like, you're so dated.
00:53:17
Natalie Richards
Oy.
00:53:17
Felicia Devine
but You think I'm feeding my kids some Slim Jim? What?
00:53:21
Natalie Richards
That's probably what she thought.
00:53:22
Felicia Devine
Yeah. But I'm like, my meanwhile, this thing costs more than like a a gallon of gasoline.
00:53:27
Natalie Richards
Way more than a protein bar, way more literally.
00:53:29
Felicia Devine
Yeah. I'm like, this grass fed organic.
00:53:33
Natalie Richards
my gosh.
00:53:33
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Nope. At least, at least she's, she's not eating candy.
00:53:38
Natalie Richards
She's not eating candy.
00:53:39
Felicia Devine
Yeah. She's not.
00:53:42
Natalie Richards
can guarantee that.
00:53:44
Felicia Devine
But I mean, oh, Giuseppe got his first haircut.
00:53:48
Natalie Richards
he did.
00:53:49
Felicia Devine
He got his mullet installed.
00:53:50
Natalie Richards
Did he get a mullet? Oh, I'm so glad.
00:53:51
Felicia Devine
He got it installed. He got it shaped.
00:53:53
Natalie Richards
Oh.
00:53:54
Felicia Devine
Besides, he is stinking cute because now the curls are just hitting even harder with the humidity and the warmth coming.
00:53:57
Natalie Richards
Oh my gosh.
00:54:01
Natalie Richards
Oh.
00:54:02
Felicia Devine
I'll send you a picture.
00:54:03
Natalie Richards
Oh.
00:54:04
Felicia Devine
He's precious. So that's that's new.
00:54:06
Natalie Richards
I love it.
00:54:07
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:54:07
Natalie Richards
I think Jean's almost a mullet time again.
00:54:11
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm. Yeah. I love it short on the sides.
00:54:13
Natalie Richards
I do too.
00:54:14
Felicia Devine
So cute. His little cheeks are just like, oh, he's chunky.
00:54:17
Natalie Richards
Oh, I just love it. For summer.
00:54:19
Felicia Devine
So, yeah.
00:54:20
Natalie Richards
oh spring, summer. So cute.
00:54:21
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Well, we had a lot to catch up on. That was, I know.
00:54:24
Natalie Richards
We did. i'm actually surprised we didn't talk longer.
00:54:27
Felicia Devine
That was a busy pod.
00:54:27
Natalie Richards
But i think I think I talked about everything I needed to. I don't know.
00:54:30
Felicia Devine
I know. I'm like, i'm like oh, and this, oh, and that.
00:54:33
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:54:34
Felicia Devine
Yeah, who knows who knows what next will week will bring us.
00:54:34
Natalie Richards
I'm sure there were.
00:54:38
Natalie Richards
I don't know.
00:54:38
Felicia Devine
Maybe some more health updates on your end and maybe some more pregnancy updates on my end.
00:54:41
Natalie Richards
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm kidding.
00:54:43
Felicia Devine
I
00:54:43
Natalie Richards
It's going to be interesting these next like few weeks to see if anything changes for you.
00:54:46
Felicia Devine
i know i have Reiki next Friday, so I'm curious to see what what goes down.
00:54:48
Natalie Richards
o Oh gosh, I cannot wait.
00:54:53
Felicia Devine
i know. And honestly, maybe she'll be able to tell.
00:54:56
Natalie Richards
Yeah, let's let's see.
00:54:58
Felicia Devine
Because the last time I was there, she said I had a raging ball of fire, which was ginormous.
00:55:01
Natalie Richards
Exactly.
00:55:02
Felicia Devine
I mean, the size of a hamster ball.
00:55:03
Natalie Richards
Exactly. Uh-huh.
00:55:05
Felicia Devine
So like, and I was like 3.6 days pregnant.
00:55:07
Natalie Richards
Interesting. Interesting. Exactly. this was so, so early.
00:55:12
Felicia Devine
So early.
00:55:14
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:55:14
Felicia Devine
So who's to say, I don't know. I might be an entire ball of fire now.
00:55:18
Natalie Richards
Maybe.
00:55:20
Felicia Devine
We'll see. But I'll update you on that next time.
00:55:21
Natalie Richards
I love it. I can't wait.
00:55:23
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:55:24
Natalie Richards
Can't wait.
00:55:24
Felicia Devine
All right. Well, thanks for joining us.
00:55:27
Natalie Richards
Bye.
00:55:28
Felicia Devine
Bye.