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The Energy Episode: Full of Trauma (Now Released)
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In this raw catch-up, we start with the miracle of a baby finally sleeping through the night (and a mom who actually drank hot coffee), detour through ill-advised powdered prenatals and a popcorn-and-tequila date night, then dive into a live Emotion Code session focused on birth trauma. We trace “unworthy” back to teenage heartbreak, pick up newborn-age anxiety absorbed from mom, surface inherited heartache from a paternal grandmother, anger from a maternal grandfather, lack of control from dad—and even clear a tender strand of abandonment felt by baby after an early separation. Lightness lands. Repair begins. Generations exhale.
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Transcript
Intro
Introduction and Recording Confusion
00:00:51
Felicia Devine
Welcome back to episode 14.
00:00:53
Natalie Richards
Hello.
00:00:54
Felicia Devine
Hi, Natalie.
00:00:55
Natalie Richards
Oh man here we are
00:00:58
Felicia Devine
Good morning. Happy Sunday.
00:01:00
Natalie Richards
It is morning. Well, it's it's morning for me for sure.
00:01:02
Felicia Devine
ah wait. Sorry. Happy Wednesday, listeners.
00:01:04
Natalie Richards
have it Oh yeah. Oops.
00:01:06
Felicia Devine
Okay. We clearly haven't nailed the schedule yet. We're pretending this is live on a Wednesday.
00:01:14
Natalie Richards
We have pretty much been consistent with our like Sunday recording, Wednesday release.
00:01:18
Felicia Devine
Sunday recording. Yeah.
00:01:20
Natalie Richards
It works.
00:01:20
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:01:21
Natalie Richards
It works nicely. Okay.
00:01:22
Felicia Devine
It's nice.
Natalie's Morning Routine and Giuseppe's Sleep
00:01:23
Natalie Richards
So tell me about your morning.
00:01:27
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:01:28
Natalie Richards
and you posted a little like lovely post about, oh my gosh, I woke up before my baby and I'm just getting so many things done.
00:01:36
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:01:38
Natalie Richards
so i need to hear what the details are. Did you really wake up before your baby on your own?
00:01:43
Felicia Devine
No, I did Yes. No, wait, do you know?
00:01:46
Natalie Richards
ah did you do this on purpose? Yeah.
00:01:49
Felicia Devine
Okay. Wait, this, this takes a little backstory. So Giuseppe just started consistently sleeping through the night again.
00:01:53
Natalie Richards
okay
00:01:58
Felicia Devine
He did like a, so for 15 or 16 months, we like didn't sleep through the night ever.
00:02:00
Natalie Richards
Spectacular.
00:02:05
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:02:06
Felicia Devine
So that was wild. And I was never rested.
00:02:08
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:02:10
Felicia Devine
i mean, when I say didn't sleep through the night, like needed to be nursed back to sleep multiple times a night, every single night for his entire life, entire life.
00:02:18
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:02:20
Felicia Devine
So recently we started sleeping through the night and he literally, every time I talk about anything, talk, talk about anything on the podcast.
00:02:20
Natalie Richards
right
00:02:25
Natalie Richards
Knock on wood. Knock on some wood.
00:02:31
Felicia Devine
Remember I told you i used to nurse him to sleep.
00:02:31
Natalie Richards
This is how it works. Yes.
00:02:35
Felicia Devine
Ever since I said that out loud on the podcast, now he just sits up after he's done nursing at night and he pokes my nose and he pokes my eyeballs and we giggle.
00:02:35
Natalie Richards
Oh. Done.
00:02:41
Natalie Richards
huh
00:02:42
Felicia Devine
I'm just like, how do people put kids to bed?
00:02:44
Natalie Richards
If you speak it, ah it doesn't exist anymore. Yeah.
00:02:47
Felicia Devine
So it's the opposite of manifestation. What was
00:02:50
Natalie Richards
With kids, manifestation doesn't happen. Their energy is too is too
00:02:55
Felicia Devine
I?
Impact of Children's Energy on Manifestation
00:02:56
Natalie Richards
chaotic It's, I don't know.
00:02:56
Felicia Devine
Is it jinxing or is it manifestation? i don't know. so
00:03:00
Natalie Richards
I don't know.
00:03:01
Felicia Devine
So yeah, he's just been a little stinker going to bed at night, but he has been sleeping through. So therefore, I am now getting a little bit more consistent sleeps at night. Sleeps.
00:03:12
Natalie Richards
Wonderful.
00:03:12
Felicia Devine
I can't speak still.
00:03:13
Natalie Richards
Are you?
00:03:15
Felicia Devine
It has not caught up to the brain.
00:03:18
Natalie Richards
Hasn't replenished at the brain level yet, but it will.
00:03:20
Felicia Devine
No. Yes, it will eventually.
00:03:21
Natalie Richards
Maybe. Maybe.
00:03:22
Felicia Devine
So he has been then waking up in the morning joyful, ah which we've never experienced.
00:03:27
Natalie Richards
wow.
00:03:28
Felicia Devine
And I didn't know kids were supposed to wake up happy.
00:03:31
Natalie Richards
Oh, wow.
00:03:32
Felicia Devine
He used to wake up crying every morning. I didn't know that was not right.
00:03:34
Natalie Richards
oh
00:03:36
Felicia Devine
i know. I'm like, sir, I wake up every morning crying too.
00:03:39
Natalie Richards
Right, same.
00:03:39
Felicia Devine
Like...
00:03:41
Natalie Richards
I feel your pain.
00:03:41
Felicia Devine
i I didn't know that kids were supposed to wake up and just babble. i
00:03:45
Natalie Richards
Oh.
00:03:46
Felicia Devine
i was I feel bad, but he was so tired he his whole life has been tired. He's been tired his whole life.
00:03:50
Natalie Richards
Yeah. Right.
Choosing Productivity Over Sleep
00:03:53
Felicia Devine
So he has been waking up babbling, and he woke up this morning at like, I don't even know, like 6.30. Dan was already up and like kind of moving about the house, so sometimes Sep will like stir because he can hear Dan.
00:04:05
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:04:06
Felicia Devine
So he kind of woke up, which woke me up. And I was like, hmm, is he going to go back to bed? Is he not? And he put himself back to sleep.
00:04:13
Natalie Richards
Amazing.
00:04:13
Felicia Devine
And I was like, huh, OK. But I was kind of already awake. And I was like, all right, I have two choices here.
00:04:17
Natalie Richards
man
00:04:20
Felicia Devine
can go back to bed and get arguably either five minutes or an hour and a half more of sleep. Right.
00:04:28
Natalie Richards
Either way, it's going to feel like five. Yeah.
00:04:29
Felicia Devine
Right. And wake up when he wakes up and be five minutes behind my whole day, right? Because he wakes up, then I still brush my teeth, get dressed, like do some basic like necessities before I get to him.
00:04:38
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:04:42
Natalie Richards
Basic human needs. Mm-hmm.
00:04:43
Felicia Devine
So I'm immediately five minutes behind. Or i can wake up and either have five minutes to myself or an hour to myself.
00:04:51
Natalie Richards
Right. Either way is good.
00:04:52
Felicia Devine
And I made a very, very good choice this morning because he s slept until almost 8 p.m. No, he slept until almost 8
00:04:59
Natalie Richards
Amazing. Mm-hmm.
00:05:01
Felicia Devine
Natalie, i did eye masks, like eye jillies. I started laundry. I cleaned up the kitchen. I washed the window, like the big sliding door window.
00:05:12
Natalie Richards
Oh my word. Well, you're searching for things to occupy yourself then.
00:05:13
Felicia Devine
else did I do? I made a reel and posted it.
00:05:18
Natalie Richards
I love this. Yeah.
00:05:19
Felicia Devine
I drank an entire cup of coffee. all before All before my little sunshine woke up happy as a clam.
00:05:27
Natalie Richards
ah i love this
00:05:28
Felicia Devine
And I said, I made the right choice today. I started the foot.
00:05:30
Natalie Richards
yeah
00:05:31
Felicia Devine
I started. i and I still can't talk. I started the tan the right foot.
00:05:33
Natalie Richards
the
00:05:36
Natalie Richards
ah The brain replenishment takes a lot longer, let me tell you.
00:05:40
Felicia Devine
Does it?
00:05:40
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm.
00:05:40
Felicia Devine
Okay, good. Because I'm not there yet.
00:05:41
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:05:43
Felicia Devine
It's crazy. But really, like he woke up happy. I woke up before him. Got so many tasks done. I'm already on my second load of laundry.
00:05:51
Natalie Richards
Amazing.
00:05:52
Felicia Devine
10 a.m. I'm like crushing it.
00:05:53
Natalie Richards
Amazing. Amazing.
00:05:54
Felicia Devine
I know. So will we continue this trend? Who knows?
00:05:58
Natalie Richards
this is when This is when people then find out they're pregnant with their second babies.
00:05:58
Felicia Devine
But today's a good day.
00:06:03
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
Life Surprises and Pregnancy Humor
00:06:05
Felicia Devine
This is how you get pregnant, everyone.
00:06:07
Natalie Richards
Just when you think things are going to get better.
00:06:12
Felicia Devine
Natalie.
00:06:12
Natalie Richards
um just kidding.
00:06:14
Felicia Devine
Well, it is, think, in my future.
00:06:17
Natalie Richards
It is. i know it is in your future.
00:06:19
Felicia Devine
i don't know, though. Not yet.
00:06:20
Natalie Richards
i know it is.
00:06:21
Felicia Devine
oh
00:06:21
Natalie Richards
Just your body. Your body is going to be feeling like like it's capable again.
00:06:26
Felicia Devine
Oh, it's capable. We're sleeping.
00:06:30
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:06:30
Felicia Devine
No, my first pregnancy, if I wasn't at work, I was horizontal. And I'm like, I just think back to that.
00:06:35
Natalie Richards
Oh.
00:06:36
Felicia Devine
I'm like, how can I raise a toddler and be horizontal most of my day?
00:06:39
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:06:40
Felicia Devine
I don't know if it's possible.
00:06:41
Natalie Richards
I don't...
00:06:43
Felicia Devine
How do people do it?
00:06:43
Natalie Richards
you You hope to God that that doesn't happen again, but it probably will.
00:06:47
Felicia Devine
Probably will. But I've been working on my remineralization.
00:06:50
Natalie Richards
And that is a huge, huge, huge, huge one.
00:06:51
Felicia Devine
That's a huge one. Yep. And I've been taking, have I told you about my prenatal I've been taking?
00:06:59
Natalie Richards
I don't know.
Prenatal Vitamins and Health Routines
00:07:00
Natalie Richards
I don't think so.
00:07:00
Felicia Devine
Natalie.
00:07:01
Natalie Richards
Oh, boy. Is it a ah homemade...
00:07:02
Felicia Devine
Sometimes you make mistakes. No, sometimes you make mistakes and you just have to live with it. Okay. I was influenced.
00:07:11
Natalie Richards
Oh boy.
00:07:12
Felicia Devine
That's the root of it. And it's a prenatal vitamin, like prepackaged prenatal vitamin.
00:07:18
Natalie Richards
It is.
00:07:18
Felicia Devine
Right.
00:07:19
Natalie Richards
Okay.
00:07:19
Felicia Devine
Yeah. It's advertised as prenatal.
00:07:21
Natalie Richards
Okay.
00:07:21
Felicia Devine
And it's advertised for the girlies that can't swallow pills.
00:07:24
Natalie Richards
Oh.
00:07:25
Felicia Devine
So it's powder.
00:07:28
Natalie Richards
Oh, and it's probably horrible.
00:07:28
Felicia Devine
And they're like, oh,
00:07:31
Felicia Devine
horrible.
00:07:33
Natalie Richards
Oh, is is it needed? is that the one that you, yeah.
00:07:35
Felicia Devine
Yes. Natalie.
00:07:37
Natalie Richards
I've always been like, oh, great idea. Like you can drink it instead.
00:07:40
Felicia Devine
Great in concept. It is if you are, I mean, the entire cabinet reeks of this vitamin and it's in a container closed inside of the cabinet. You open the cabinet, you are knocked off your feet.
00:07:56
Natalie Richards
How could you ever, if you were pregnant, how could you ever?
00:07:56
Felicia Devine
Dan, I know. I would rather gag on a pill for one second than have to, because what Dan does is he puts it in my smoothie every morning.
00:08:02
Natalie Richards
yeah
00:08:08
Felicia Devine
I choke that smoothie down. like It's so bad, but I live with my decision. you know I don't want to waste it.
00:08:14
Natalie Richards
Right. No, you're not going to waste it.
00:08:16
Felicia Devine
So it's it's been rough, but I've also been doing that.
00:08:18
Natalie Richards
Okay.
00:08:21
Felicia Devine
I'm going to go back to swallowing pills.
00:08:23
Natalie Richards
Yeah. Have you heard of birthright? The birthright prenatal?
00:08:27
Felicia Devine
Yeah, it's like all animal-based.
00:08:27
Natalie Richards
it's It's animal-based and then there's like all kinds of like little picked and chosen little extra extra things in it.
00:08:35
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah.
00:08:36
Natalie Richards
It sounds very good.
00:08:36
Felicia Devine
I'll tell you what I'm not i'm not doing is this powdered version. Oh, it's vile. it's I mean, I love the brand. I love their supplements. um I used their iron when I was pregnant, but though the powder form of a prenatal, that's a sin.
00:08:46
Natalie Richards
Yeah. Yeah, it's great.
00:08:54
Natalie Richards
I've always wondered, always wondered it really is is worth trying.
00:08:56
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Anyway.
00:09:00
Felicia Devine
No, because i how do you, so they say like, oh, put it in your coffee.
00:09:02
Natalie Richards
Sometimes you just don't.
00:09:08
Felicia Devine
The first day I had it, I put it in my coffee. Couldn't even drink the coffee.
00:09:10
Natalie Richards
ah Of course not.
00:09:13
Felicia Devine
Ruined the coffee. And then I'm thinking to myself, okay, well, the next best option is put it in your smoothie.
00:09:18
Natalie Richards
Right. That's what I would think.
00:09:19
Felicia Devine
But then now you're drinking 16 ounces and every sip you take is like absolutely horrendous.
00:09:23
Natalie Richards
You taste it and Just like throw it in like a little shot glass or something and shoot it down like with juice or something.
00:09:25
Felicia Devine
So
00:09:29
Felicia Devine
yeah, I could do that. That sounds like a lot of work.
00:09:32
Natalie Richards
It is.
00:09:33
Felicia Devine
dan Dan makes my smoothie every day. so
00:09:36
Natalie Richards
So anything more than you just drinking it is too much work.
00:09:37
Felicia Devine
So
Pilates and Personal Well-Being
00:09:41
Felicia Devine
way too much work. My husband sets me up for success every day. So yeah, he makes all of our lunches.
00:09:45
Natalie Richards
That's amazing.
00:09:49
Felicia Devine
He makes both of our breakfasts. I make Seps breakfast fresh like when I wake up, but he makes my breakfast and his breakfast.
00:09:53
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:09:56
Felicia Devine
He packs our lunches.
00:09:58
Natalie Richards
Oh, my.
00:09:58
Felicia Devine
Like he he cooks dinner every night.
00:09:59
Natalie Richards
Daniel. Daniel.
00:10:02
Felicia Devine
I couldn't have picked a better one, you know?
00:10:03
Natalie Richards
You really, you hopped from me making you dinner in college.
00:10:05
Felicia Devine
Opposites attract.
00:10:07
Natalie Richards
Thank God you found a husband.
00:10:12
Felicia Devine
You guys, do not settle for something less than fabulous.
00:10:18
Natalie Richards
It's true.
00:10:19
Felicia Devine
It is. i mean, my needs were food.
00:10:25
Natalie Richards
ah We all have our strengths and weaknesses.
00:10:27
Felicia Devine
Yeah, I have plenty of strengths and it's not cooking.
00:10:27
Natalie Richards
Okay.
00:10:31
Felicia Devine
Natalie, how was your week, Natalie?
00:10:31
Natalie Richards
And this is okay.
00:10:35
Felicia Devine
Enough about me.
00:10:36
Natalie Richards
My week was was actually pretty good. I felt I i got to Pilates three times, which was maybe monumental.
00:10:39
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:10:44
Felicia Devine
That's incredible.
00:10:44
Natalie Richards
I don't think that's happened maybe since before I was pregnant or before I had Jean, not before I was pregnant.
00:10:50
Felicia Devine
Wow. Okay.
00:10:52
Natalie Richards
I was going to Pilates like five days a week when I was pregnant.
00:10:53
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:10:54
Natalie Richards
It was ridiculous.
00:10:55
Felicia Devine
I know. You were so fit when you were pregnant.
00:10:56
Natalie Richards
was ridiculous.
00:10:57
Felicia Devine
Wow. Yeah.
00:10:58
Natalie Richards
Ridiculous.
00:10:59
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:10:59
Natalie Richards
So that was a monumental day, ah week.
00:11:02
Felicia Devine
ah
00:11:03
Natalie Richards
And I felt, let me tell you, I felt so good doing it.
00:11:06
Felicia Devine
Did you?
00:11:07
Natalie Richards
like i The past couple months, I've felt very like foggy when I was doing Pilates and just kind of like, okay, we're getting there.
00:11:12
Felicia Devine
yeah
00:11:16
Natalie Richards
we're doing it.
00:11:16
Felicia Devine
Going through the motions.
00:11:17
Natalie Richards
We're here.
00:11:18
Felicia Devine
ah
00:11:18
Natalie Richards
at least I'm here.
00:11:19
Felicia Devine
Right.
00:11:20
Natalie Richards
but it kind of...
00:11:23
Natalie Richards
I was feeling like, you know, hmm. Like it's not quite like clicking. Like the brain and the body is not quite clicking together.
00:11:29
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:11:32
Natalie Richards
And then the past like few weeks I've been doing it and I'm like, oh my gosh, I feel so strong. I'm adding springs.
00:11:37
Felicia Devine
Oh,
00:11:38
Natalie Richards
I'm like, I was doing arms yesterday and i was doing it already on like a blue high, which is basically like higher than what the highest arm would recommendation would be.
00:11:40
Felicia Devine
lovely.
00:11:52
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:11:52
Natalie Richards
Like blue would be like a normal arm for most people.
00:11:55
Felicia Devine
okay
00:11:56
Natalie Richards
So I was already doing it like halfway higher. then I'm like, this just feels light. Say word. She goes, just – So she adds another yellow high.
00:12:04
Felicia Devine
yeah
00:12:05
Natalie Richards
but But she goes, this is basically like a red high.
00:12:05
Felicia Devine
Oh my gosh.
00:12:08
Natalie Richards
I go, oh. ah But I like did it and I was like, oh, this feels so good. I just was feeling so in tune, so connected.
00:12:15
Felicia Devine
Oh my gosh.
00:12:17
Natalie Richards
it was so good this week.
00:12:18
Felicia Devine
I love that for you.
00:12:18
Natalie Richards
So i'm like I'm loving that.
00:12:21
Felicia Devine
Good.
00:12:21
Natalie Richards
um Then like yesterday I was like, oh, I feel really good. i was feeling a little sore, but like... Not in a bad way where I feel like my whole body was detoxing sore, which is usually what I would feel like.
00:12:30
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:12:32
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm. Yeah. You're like, and we overdid it.
00:12:36
Natalie Richards
And then I'd be like, oh, I'm going to get sick.
00:12:36
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:12:39
Natalie Richards
You know, i I would get that like little feeling usually.
00:12:41
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Like you were so depleted. Mm-hmm.
00:12:43
Natalie Richards
Yeah. Usually like cresting over that third day of working out. I'm like, o this is where, this is where my body crashes. So then i got a little cocky and we went Kyle and I had but a date night last night and we went to a movie and i ate like milk duds and a nasty movie popcorn
00:12:55
Felicia Devine
You went to Oktoberfest. No.
00:13:00
Felicia Devine
yeah
00:13:06
Felicia Devine
You know what? You had to live a little.
00:13:06
Natalie Richards
And then when we do. i do. And then went to went to this like hole in the wall burger place, which is honestly probably one of the best burgers that exists around us.
00:13:09
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:13:17
Natalie Richards
It's so good.
00:13:17
Felicia Devine
Oh.
00:13:18
Natalie Richards
um I had a burger and it was so good. And I had a tequila drink. Actually, i had two tequila drinks.
00:13:26
Felicia Devine
Natalie!
00:13:27
Natalie Richards
And then, okay, I slept amazing last night, which is like, what?
00:13:31
Felicia Devine
Okay. Wow.
00:13:32
Natalie Richards
I wake up with a headache and my whole body is like... It's stiffened, stiffened beyond belief.
00:13:36
Felicia Devine
Yeah, you did get cocky.
00:13:39
Natalie Richards
And I'm like, this is what I get. I was doing so good. And then I just had to push it over the edge with like multiple things.
00:13:43
Felicia Devine
I know. I know.
00:13:47
Natalie Richards
It wasn't like I just treated one thing. It was tequila, burger, movie popcorn with literal seed oil sludge.
00:13:50
Felicia Devine
It's called a cheat day.
00:13:53
Felicia Devine
Milk duds.
00:13:58
Felicia Devine
was going to say not real butter. Let's just say that.
00:14:01
Natalie Richards
Ew. Like, it's gross.
00:14:02
Felicia Devine
Oh my
Movie Discussion: Historical Themes and Production Irony
00:14:03
Felicia Devine
gosh. What movie did you see?
00:14:03
Natalie Richards
But um we saw Truth and Treason, which was – had just come out yesterday.
00:14:07
Felicia Devine
but that? Is that scary?
00:14:09
Natalie Richards
No, it was about, like, Nazi Germany. It was really fascinating.
00:14:13
Felicia Devine
okay.
00:14:13
Natalie Richards
It was a true story based on a true story about these kids who –
00:14:14
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:14:20
Natalie Richards
basically like printed their own leaflets to distribute to people about like who Hitler really was and like try to like, try to warn the German people about what really was happening.
00:14:28
Felicia Devine
Oh.
00:14:32
Natalie Richards
Because at the time, yeah, they were 16, 17.
00:14:32
Felicia Devine
And they were kids?
00:14:36
Natalie Richards
So it ended up being that this, this one particular kid was the youngest kid to get killed, to, to get sentenced to death for treason.
00:14:48
Natalie Richards
In Germany. So he was 17 when he got beheaded because he was distributing this information.
00:14:53
Felicia Devine
home
00:14:56
Natalie Richards
So like they, don't know if I really realized at the time how, how controlling like Germany really was to the German people.
00:15:06
Felicia Devine
okay Wow.
00:15:06
Natalie Richards
Like they couldn't listen to music anymore that wasn't German. they couldn't They couldn't read any literature that wasn't German. they couldn't um so they couldn't They couldn't listen to the radio that had like normal radio stations.
00:15:19
Natalie Richards
There was no communication whatsoever between the German people. And if you said anything that was against what like what the regime was saying, like you're you're going to jail and you're potentially being killed or thrown in a labor camp, which is what the other two kids had happen until the end of the war.
00:15:29
Felicia Devine
The main message, Yeah.
00:15:35
Felicia Devine
Wow.
00:15:41
Felicia Devine
Oh no.
00:15:42
Natalie Richards
They were in a labor camp. It was crazy. it was a really good movie.
00:15:45
Felicia Devine
That's sad.
00:15:47
Natalie Richards
It was kind of funny because it was like a –
00:15:47
Felicia Devine
Wow.
00:15:49
Natalie Richards
It was actually put out by like a Mormon media company.
00:15:57
Felicia Devine
Is that ironic?
00:15:58
Natalie Richards
It was ironic. It's just kind of funny. Like...
00:16:01
Felicia Devine
Like censorship is okay. Yeah.
00:16:07
Natalie Richards
So anyway, this media company is is apparently trying to like make something of themselves because they're putting out like major productions.
00:16:15
Felicia Devine
Good for them.
00:16:16
Natalie Richards
And I go, what is this angel media company? it's got to be something It's got to be something like religious. Some religious group is putting out this stuff. And I just wasn't sure because I had seen multiple things like on Instagram and this movie. And I go, what is Angel Productions? And then the first thing is that there they're in like a more ah Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints church in this movie. And I go, oh.
00:16:40
Felicia Devine
Oh, OK.
00:16:40
Natalie Richards
That's it. That's what it is. That's what it is.
00:16:43
Felicia Devine
All right.
00:16:43
Natalie Richards
Nothing against them. I love the Mormons. They're great.
00:16:45
Felicia Devine
Yeah, yeah.
00:16:46
Natalie Richards
You know, it's just funny.
00:16:46
Felicia Devine
I just think it's funny putting out movies about extreme censorship.
00:16:50
Natalie Richards
It's was a little ironic.
00:16:57
Natalie Richards
So um it was a great movie though.
00:17:00
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:17:01
Natalie Richards
I would actually recommend it.
00:17:03
Felicia Devine
I haven't been to a movie theater in a while.
00:17:03
Natalie Richards
Truth and Treason.
00:17:04
Felicia Devine
Two things I don't love, bowling and movie theaters.
00:17:05
Natalie Richards
Well, that's what I said. I don't either. Same. I don't.
00:17:09
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:17:09
Natalie Richards
And I don't know what came came over me that I said, i want to go to a movie.
00:17:12
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:17:15
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:17:16
Natalie Richards
And it just happened to be that that movie came out yesterday when I was looking.
00:17:19
Felicia Devine
Oh, that's awesome.
00:17:19
Natalie Richards
And I was like, this sounds – oh, God, no.
00:17:21
Felicia Devine
I thought were going to tell me like you guys saw like Tron and I was like, hi.
00:17:24
Natalie Richards
jesus Because that was ah the only other option of any – it was that or the or the Gabby's Dollhouse movie.
00:17:27
Felicia Devine
Yeah. That's the only thing I know.
00:17:31
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:17:32
Felicia Devine
What's that? Is that, that's scary.
00:17:32
Natalie Richards
just like a kid's show.
00:17:34
Felicia Devine
Oh, which is scary.
00:17:34
Natalie Richards
There's literally nothing. And then some random Channing Tatum movie, which looked horrible.
00:17:38
Felicia Devine
Ooh. Oh, not a dancing movie.
00:17:40
Natalie Richards
So our only option was really truth and treason.
00:17:45
Natalie Richards
But I think I was meant to see it.
00:17:46
Felicia Devine
Well, sounds like it was fun.
00:17:47
Natalie Richards
Like it was actually a really good, it was a really good eyeopening, good, like bring you back to, to not forgetting history.
00:17:47
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:17:52
Felicia Devine
Educational.
00:17:57
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:17:58
Natalie Richards
Let's just put it that way.
00:17:58
Felicia Devine
And being grateful where we live.
00:18:00
Natalie Richards
Yes, absolutely.
00:18:01
Felicia Devine
And that you and i get to have a podcast.
00:18:03
Natalie Richards
No kidding, that we can talk about what we want to talk about and people can actually listen to it.
00:18:06
Felicia Devine
Whatever we want to talk about.
00:18:10
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:18:10
Natalie Richards
Like we don't understand how actually um how actual how that's actually a privilege, a major privilege.
00:18:11
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:18:17
Felicia Devine
Right. Yes.
00:18:19
Natalie Richards
Because there's actually not many countries that you can do that anymore.
00:18:19
Felicia Devine
Yes.
00:18:22
Felicia Devine
No. Exactly. um What are you drinking?
Managing Heat with Peppermint Tea
00:18:25
Natalie Richards
I am drinking peppermint tea per my acupuncturist because...
00:18:27
Felicia Devine
Oh.
00:18:30
Felicia Devine
Oh, what'd she tell you? What kind of trauma are you working through this week?
00:18:34
Natalie Richards
My excessive heat production in my body makes it seem like tea would be a bad option.
00:18:36
Felicia Devine
Oh. Peppermint's cooling?
00:18:41
Natalie Richards
However, when I drink peppermint, it actually I don't feel hot. So it's because usually when I'm on this podcast, when I'm, when we're doing this, I'm sweating.
00:18:46
Felicia Devine
Huh.
00:18:50
Felicia Devine
You're sweating? Are you really?
00:18:52
Natalie Richards
Oh yeah.
00:18:53
Felicia Devine
oh Oh, that's funny.
00:18:54
Natalie Richards
Sweating. Just, just i absolutely.
00:18:58
Felicia Devine
Wow.
00:18:59
Natalie Richards
I always am in my office. Oh my gosh.
00:19:01
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:19:01
Natalie Richards
Chelsea's like bundled in a blanket. She has a heater like around her legs at the desk and then I'm sweating.
00:19:03
Felicia Devine
yeah yeah Yeah. And you're sweating. Wow.
00:19:09
Natalie Richards
sweating, which you'd think because i I think I have a thyroid problem, but I think I have hypothyroid.
00:19:09
Felicia Devine
Wow. I get hot when I drink hot fluids.
00:19:17
Felicia Devine
Oh, which is opposite of sweaty and hot.
00:19:18
Natalie Richards
But why am I always hot? i don't understand.
00:19:23
Felicia Devine
Wait, let's let's do some emotion code.
00:19:25
Natalie Richards
you know. That's what I'm doing now. I need to do that today.
Exploring Emotion Code Practices
00:19:29
Felicia Devine
I really want you to practice on me.
00:19:30
Natalie Richards
ah do it.
00:19:31
Felicia Devine
Next week, can you practice on me?
00:19:31
Natalie Richards
I do. I will. Yeah.
00:19:32
Felicia Devine
Okay. I don't want to spring that on you today, but.
00:19:34
Natalie Richards
Okay. Well, I'd have to see if I have my paper somewhere that I could grab easily. ah we could We could try. i have to form a surrogate connection with you.
00:19:44
Natalie Richards
So I i basically have to like say, okay, our intention is that I'm going to test myself to your
00:19:44
Felicia Devine
oh
00:19:52
Natalie Richards
energy basically. So we're going to like connect ourselves remotely.
00:19:54
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:19:59
Natalie Richards
I would pretty much say like, my name is Felicia.
00:20:01
Felicia Devine
Oh.
00:20:02
Natalie Richards
It's not Felicia yet, but I'm connecting with you. I'm going to test for you.
00:20:05
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:20:06
Natalie Richards
My name is Felicia. Now I get a strong answer. So I could do it with you right now.
00:20:12
Felicia Devine
um my gosh. Do you have your paper?
00:20:14
Natalie Richards
ah Yeah.
00:20:15
Felicia Devine
What do we need to heal from? Don't ruin my day.
00:20:17
Natalie Richards
Why don't we do it? Why don't we do it?
00:20:18
Felicia Devine
yeah let's do it. Let's do it.
00:20:19
Natalie Richards
i feel like, I feel like, yeah, let's do it.
00:20:19
Felicia Devine
I have no agenda.
00:20:22
Natalie Richards
Okay. Hold on one second.
00:20:23
Felicia Devine
Okay. Gosh, I can't wait to hear. So I'll fill the gap while Natalie's finding her page, but can't wait to hear what kind of trauma I have stored in this noggin.
00:20:35
Natalie Richards
I know. i can't wait to see.
00:20:38
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:20:39
Natalie Richards
i we both are like, what are we talking about today? and This is the obvious answer.
00:20:42
Felicia Devine
I know.
00:20:44
Felicia Devine
What aren't we talking about?
00:20:45
Natalie Richards
When both of our brains aren't working and we can just use energy.
00:20:47
Felicia Devine
Yeah. ah Use energy.
00:20:51
Natalie Richards
Okay. So we're going to, I should probably write this down, but whatever.
00:20:57
Felicia Devine
Well, we can just go. Well, do you want me to write it down?
00:21:00
Natalie Richards
Maybe you just write like little, whatever the emotion is, whatever little details after it.
00:21:01
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:21:04
Felicia Devine
And then little snips. Okay. Okay.
00:21:07
Natalie Richards
Okay. Do you have an intention you want, like a focus that you'd like to today? Okay.
00:21:15
Felicia Devine
And by focus, do you mean a stored memory or do you mean like a
00:21:20
Natalie Richards
like and a Like an ailment or a, like, I want to focus on my hip pain or my, like, whatever, whatever it may be.
00:21:30
Felicia Devine
Oh, I kind of want I kind of want to focus on my birth trauma.
00:21:31
Natalie Richards
My mental exhaustion or and don't know.
00:21:35
Natalie Richards
Okay, let's do it.
00:21:37
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:21:37
Natalie Richards
Absolutely.
00:21:37
Felicia Devine
And just see if anything comes up.
00:21:38
Natalie Richards
See if anything comes up. I can guarantee there will be.
00:21:40
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:21:43
Felicia Devine
And no trauma.
00:21:45
Natalie Richards
So the the basis of this is that it may even bring up of an emotion that you weren't really aware that you felt at the time too.
00:21:55
Felicia Devine
Okay. Yeah.
00:21:56
Natalie Richards
Because a lot of the ones that you would have felt knowingly, you would have probably processed a little bit, right?
00:22:01
Felicia Devine
Right.
00:22:02
Natalie Richards
So like the ones that become trapped are the ones that you can't go there at the time, right?
00:22:02
Felicia Devine
Right.
00:22:07
Felicia Devine
ah ha Yes.
00:22:08
Natalie Richards
Like your brain just can't quite make that loop.
00:22:11
Felicia Devine
yeah
00:22:11
Natalie Richards
So I've been finding a lot in people that like, oh, I didn't know that I would have ever felt that emotion. It's like, yeah, you probably don't because your body doesn't go through that.
00:22:17
Felicia Devine
yeah Right.
00:22:22
Felicia Devine
You didn't process it.
00:22:22
Natalie Richards
it doesn't It doesn't complete the loop. Yeah.
00:22:24
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Okay.
00:22:25
Natalie Richards
So – it's been very interesting to work on, to work on people. There's been some seriously crazy things that have come up where, yeah.
00:22:33
Felicia Devine
Have you been practicing?
00:22:35
Natalie Richards
Oh yeah. I've been practicing on, on patients for sure.
00:22:38
Felicia Devine
Oh, good.
00:22:38
Natalie Richards
Just like people who want to be my Guinea pig.
00:22:40
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah. Right. You're like, and this might traumatize you.
00:22:41
Natalie Richards
So, you know, It's been a really good thing for pretty much everyone who's done it.
00:22:48
Felicia Devine
Wow.
00:22:50
Natalie Richards
It's been really, really cool. They all feel lighter at the end.
00:22:53
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:22:54
Natalie Richards
And then some people are like, am I supposed to feel really emotional after this?
00:22:57
Felicia Devine
Oh.
00:22:58
Natalie Richards
And it's like kind of because you are in some – for some people who really have have like suppressed the emotion, they would sometimes feel it a little bit coming up.
00:23:03
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:23:09
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah.
00:23:10
Natalie Richards
So –
00:23:11
Felicia Devine
Well, I'll preface this before we even start this. If you haven't listened to episode three, my birth story, pause now, go listen to episode three and then come back.
00:23:18
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:23:21
Felicia Devine
See if some reference to my traumas.
00:23:22
Natalie Richards
Yes. Yes.
00:23:26
Natalie Richards
So if of course there's anything that you don't want to say, you don't have to say it.
00:23:33
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:23:33
Natalie Richards
If there's a particular question you want to ask your body, we can ask it.
00:23:37
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm. Okay.
00:23:39
Natalie Richards
Um, about like the context around the emotion.
00:23:43
Felicia Devine
Okay. Okay.
00:23:44
Natalie Richards
um but you don't have to, you don't have to like actually say anything.
00:23:49
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:23:49
Natalie Richards
I'll just like ask some questions. If we need to dive deeper, your body will tell us that we need to dive deeper.
00:23:55
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:23:57
Natalie Richards
And we shall see.
00:23:58
Felicia Devine
Oh, my gosh. Okay, I'm excited. Mm-hmm.
00:24:01
Natalie Richards
Now, there's always the potential that there's like an inherited emotion around your birth trauma as well or um like a heart wall that's related to it too.
00:24:07
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:24:11
Natalie Richards
But since we're kind of being specific about the timing and the the the event, it probably will be things that are just focused around that actual event.
00:24:11
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:24:21
Natalie Richards
But you never know.
00:24:23
Felicia Devine
I know.
00:24:24
Natalie Richards
It can truly be be very interesting. Okay.
00:24:26
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:24:27
Natalie Richards
So, let's see if we're still connected.
00:24:27
Felicia Devine
Let's. Okay.
00:24:29
Natalie Richards
We should be because I didn't break the connection. So, my name is Felicia. Okay. So, I'm still you.
00:24:36
Felicia Devine
I kind of love this.
00:24:40
Natalie Richards
And we know each other so well that it's very easy for to know.
00:24:40
Felicia Devine
Okay. I have to take notes on that? Natalie is Felicia. Okay.
00:24:47
Natalie Richards
it's very easy for me to tap into you because we're we know each other so well.
00:24:49
Felicia Devine
Wait, right. So connected. Yeah.
00:24:52
Natalie Richards
Okay. So we're going to ask, is there a trapped emotion related to your birth trauma that's ready to be released? Of course. Yes. Okay.
00:25:00
Felicia Devine
Okay. Yes.
00:25:00
Natalie Richards
So if there wasn't, I would be concerned.
00:25:03
Felicia Devine
ah Yes.
00:25:03
Natalie Richards
So we'd probably ask it in a different way. If it was a no, we would say, okay, we'll just be a little more specific.
00:25:06
Felicia Devine
okay Okay.
00:25:10
Felicia Devine
ahead
00:25:11
Natalie Richards
Okay. So is that emotion? So i'm I'm looking at my sheet here. You, again, don't have to know what any of those are.
00:25:14
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:25:18
Natalie Richards
You don't have to know what the emotions are in each column. We just, the the energy of the body knows. I don't understand that part still, but we're just going with it, okay?
00:25:25
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:25:28
Natalie Richards
Okay.
00:25:28
Felicia Devine
We're still training.
00:25:31
Natalie Richards
Okay. So is the trapped a emotion in column A? Is it in column B? So column B, is it in an odd row, even row? So row two, row four, row six.
00:25:42
Natalie Richards
Okay. So is that trapped emotion pride, shame, shock, unworthy, o oh
00:25:51
Felicia Devine
so
00:25:53
Natalie Richards
unworthy
00:25:54
Felicia Devine
Oh my God.
00:25:55
Natalie Richards
Right? Okay.
00:25:56
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:25:57
Natalie Richards
That's an interesting one.
00:25:58
Felicia Devine
oh that's shocking.
00:25:59
Natalie Richards
Okay. Do we need to know more about the emotion unworthy? Yes, we do. Okay. Ooh, what do we want to ask about this? Well, we're going to see when it became trapped because this may not be something that became trapped during your birth.
00:26:06
Felicia Devine
Oh, how do you even know? Okay.
Emotion Code Session: Unworthy and Past Relationships
00:26:13
Felicia Devine
Okay. Ooh.
00:26:13
Natalie Richards
It may have been trapped a long time ago and then it affected you then during birth.
00:26:16
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:26:19
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:26:20
Natalie Richards
Okay.
00:26:20
Felicia Devine
Oh, I need to like know what is, okay.
00:26:21
Natalie Richards
Okay.
00:26:23
Felicia Devine
Continue.
00:26:24
Natalie Richards
Unworthy would just be like, oh gosh, that's a deep one. It's kind of like, it could mean a lot of different things though. Like it could just be like, oh, I don't deserve this experience or I don't like, ah you know, like you, I don't, it could be a lot of different, a lot of different things.
00:26:36
Felicia Devine
Okay. Yeah.
00:26:41
Natalie Richards
We'll see if we can dive into it a little.
00:26:42
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:26:43
Natalie Richards
um Did unworthy become trapped between the age of, old are we? old are we? 31. Yeah.
00:26:51
Felicia Devine
I'm in my early I'm 32, I think.
00:26:52
Natalie Richards
Early 30s. So we're going to say did it become trapped between 0 15?
00:26:53
Felicia Devine
Yeah, 32. Wow. Okay. Okay.
00:26:58
Natalie Richards
between and now. So and between 15 and 20. around 15 is when it became trapped. between fifteen and twenty so fifty around fifteen is when it became tra So we start thinking about like all the random things that could be happening in your life around 15, kind of like around like the beginning of so of high school.
00:27:13
Felicia Devine
wow
00:27:17
Natalie Richards
and
00:27:18
Felicia Devine
okay
00:27:19
Natalie Richards
it could be something related to that. could be related, who knows, could be related to a
00:27:21
Felicia Devine
and
00:27:24
Natalie Richards
boy, could be related. hit it Like who the heck knows?
00:27:28
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:27:28
Natalie Richards
um Does anything pop in your mind? Because sometimes it's like the first thing that pops in your mind is probably the right thing, but and something does.
00:27:34
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:27:37
Natalie Richards
Okay. So is it related to what you're thinking of right now? Yes. Okay. So whatever that may be. do we need to know more about the emotion unworthy? No, we don't. So whatever that was is what it is.
00:27:50
Natalie Richards
Okay. So now we're...
00:27:55
Natalie Richards
And I don't know what that thing is, but you do. and And I'm you right now.
00:27:57
Felicia Devine
I do.
00:27:58
Natalie Richards
okay.
00:27:59
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:28:02
Natalie Richards
ah So ah whatever that was affected your birth experience potentially. Okay. Isn't that awful? Okay.
00:28:11
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:28:12
Natalie Richards
But it's just how our bodies are wired. It just is. Without even knowing.
00:28:17
Felicia Devine
Should I say it?
00:28:18
Natalie Richards
You do whatever you're comfortable with. You do not have to. You can tell me after if you want to.
00:28:25
Natalie Richards
Say it.
00:28:27
Felicia Devine
Do what's comfortable. Say it. um
00:28:30
Natalie Richards
Because I know you want to.
00:28:30
Felicia Devine
Okay. So no.
00:28:31
Natalie Richards
You want to.
00:28:32
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Cause I'm like, this is so fascinating. So when I was, I think I was 15, I was like trying to date my first serious boyfriend, but I kept fighting over him with other girls. Like he kept trying to date other girls.
00:28:43
Natalie Richards
oh Oh.
00:28:44
Felicia Devine
And I was like, no, that's, I want to date him.
00:28:45
Natalie Richards
Oh, see.
00:28:47
Felicia Devine
And like, I was just like trying to date him. He was older, but he was trying to date other older girls.
00:28:52
Natalie Richards
Yeah. ah
00:28:54
Felicia Devine
And so I was like wedging my way.
00:28:56
Natalie Richards
And you were feeling like you maybe weren't enough and that he did yeah he didn't want you enough.
00:28:58
Felicia Devine
yeah
00:29:01
Natalie Richards
ah
00:29:02
Felicia Devine
What's so crazy, Natalie, is this week my mom found our photo album we had together. Like we made like a scrapbook and my mom found it this week.
00:29:09
Natalie Richards
Oh my. Oh my gosh.
00:29:12
Felicia Devine
And she was like, I think we should just like hang on to it. I don't want you to throw it away. And I was like, no, absolutely not. Like that is, I dated him for five years. Like that's like my past.
00:29:19
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:29:20
Felicia Devine
And I mean, I talk about him all the time, but um that is so funny that that came up this week.
00:29:21
Natalie Richards
That's it. Right. Right.
00:29:26
Natalie Richards
Isn't that interesting? That is so interesting.
00:29:29
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:29:30
Natalie Richards
Okay.
00:29:30
Felicia Devine
Wow.
00:29:30
Natalie Richards
And then what caused you guys to break up?
00:29:34
Felicia Devine
Oh, I was, I was trending up and he was very stagnant.
00:29:37
Natalie Richards
And he was, yeah. Okay. Okay.
00:29:39
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:29:39
Natalie Richards
Okay. So then really like it had nothing, your breakup had nothing to do with unworthiness at all.
00:29:44
Felicia Devine
Oh no.
00:29:44
Natalie Richards
It was the opposite. Okay.
00:29:45
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Cause we broke up when I was then 18, but we had been dating since I was like 13 and
00:29:48
Natalie Richards
Okay.
00:29:53
Natalie Richards
It was the classic he had peaked and you really liked him.
00:29:56
Felicia Devine
I was vying for his attention when he peeked.
00:30:00
Natalie Richards
And then he really tanked and then you peaked.
00:30:04
Felicia Devine
That is so crazy. Okay.
00:30:07
Natalie Richards
Okay. So whether you wanted it to or not, it still affected your birth.
00:30:11
Felicia Devine
That is so funny.
00:30:11
Natalie Richards
And that is what is sucky about all this.
00:30:15
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:30:15
Natalie Richards
But that's life. Hello.
00:30:17
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:30:17
Natalie Richards
It it affects are our physiology.
00:30:18
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:30:20
Natalie Richards
It affects our our daily life without us even knowing it sometimes. So,
00:30:25
Felicia Devine
And it's funny how you say like the first thing that pops into your head is usually what it is because the second you said, it happen to between this time and this time, he was the first thing that popped into my head.
00:30:29
Natalie Richards
yeah.
00:30:36
Natalie Richards
There you go.
00:30:37
Felicia Devine
That's crazy. That is so weird.
00:30:38
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm. It's pretty much whatever whatever pops in your head and everybody has It's like, is that it? And it is. If it's coming into your brain, yeah that's exactly what it is.
00:30:50
Felicia Devine
That is so funny.
00:30:51
Natalie Richards
Whether it seems and insignificant or not.
00:30:51
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:30:53
Natalie Richards
And it may be, it might have been a completely insignificant thing, whatever.
00:30:53
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:30:57
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:30:58
Natalie Richards
Not this, but I'm saying like another another example could be completely insignificant.
00:30:58
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Right. yeah
00:31:03
Natalie Richards
You're like, is that really, be that did that really become trapped in me?
00:31:06
Felicia Devine
Right.
00:31:07
Natalie Richards
It's like, yeah, it probably did. And it's just something simple.
00:31:10
Felicia Devine
Wow.
00:31:11
Natalie Richards
Yeah. Okay.
00:31:11
Felicia Devine
Crazy.
00:31:11
Natalie Richards
So now we're going to clear out unworthy from, I'm going to clear it pretty much on myself because then that's clearing it on you.
00:31:13
Felicia Devine
Okay. Okay.
00:31:17
Felicia Devine
Okay. ka Yeah.
00:31:20
Natalie Richards
So I'm goingnna just going to do a couple extra ones just in case we're clearing.
00:31:23
Felicia Devine
Just for the distance.
00:31:25
Natalie Richards
for that and Clearing unworthy. All right. So has unworthy been cleared? Yes, it is. Okay. and So now we can move one to another one.
00:31:33
Felicia Devine
Yay. Okay.
00:31:34
Natalie Richards
So is there another trapped emotion related to your birth trauma that's ready to be released?
00:31:35
Felicia Devine
okay
00:31:40
Natalie Richards
Yes. Is that in column A? It's column a Is it an odd row, even row? So two, four, six. So two. Okay. Is that a mo trapped emotion, anxiety, despair, disgust, nervousness, worry? So anxiety is what's coming up.
00:31:56
Natalie Richards
I
Clearing Anxiety from Infancy
00:31:57
Natalie Richards
know. So did anxiety become trapped between the age? Well, I guess we should ask, do we need to know more about the emotion anxiety?
00:32:05
Felicia Devine
Oh.
00:32:05
Natalie Richards
Yeah, we do. Okay. So did it become trapped between the age of zero and 15? we have a younger one now. So between zero and five, five and 10, 10 and 15. Oh, hold on.
00:32:17
Natalie Richards
Let me use my other finger. Zero and five, five and 10, 10 and 15, zero and five. zero, one, two, three, like one. Okay. one two three like one like between zero and one is when, you know, I know we have to come friends, but sometimes these baby ones are purely that you were either maybe feeling anxiety from somebody, from like the environment around you in general.
00:32:35
Felicia Devine
Pammy, we got a phone a friend.
00:32:39
Felicia Devine
Mom.
00:32:49
Felicia Devine
and
00:32:49
Natalie Richards
Like if your mom was anxious, you could have felt that. If you were
00:32:52
Felicia Devine
My parents took me to SeaWorld when I was almost one.
00:32:57
Natalie Richards
is it related Is it related to SeaWorld? No, Was it anxiety that you felt for yourself?
00:33:04
Felicia Devine
kate Nazi world.
00:33:09
Natalie Richards
No. Was it anxiety you felt ah some someone else's anxiety that you were feeling is what that is. And you didn't at zero and one, you didn't know how to process it.
00:33:19
Felicia Devine
wow
00:33:19
Natalie Richards
Okay. So do we need to know more about that emotion? We do. um Was it your mom's anxiety? Yes. For whatever reason. Do we need to know more about that emotion? No, we don't.
00:33:31
Natalie Richards
Okay. So eventually we could dive into that if your mom wants to dive into that.
00:33:36
Felicia Devine
i like We got to have a special guest on the pod next week.
00:33:39
Natalie Richards
So it was really that you perceived it from her and you knew it was happening and you didn't know how to process it yourself. Okay.
00:33:47
Felicia Devine
Wow.
00:33:48
Natalie Richards
Who knows? Could have been one tiny little instance. Could have been a general feeling of anxiety between the age of like zero and one.
00:33:55
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:33:58
Felicia Devine
Crazy.
00:33:58
Natalie Richards
Isn't that weird? Okay.
00:33:59
Felicia Devine
Wow.
00:34:00
Natalie Richards
So now we're going to clear anxiety from you.
00:34:00
Felicia Devine
Okay. hi
00:34:04
Natalie Richards
Okay. Has anxiety been cleared? Yes. Okay. Moving on. So usually we do like five-ish. It seems like most people land kind of in like five, six, or seven.
00:34:15
Natalie Richards
ah There's some people who could do 10 probably, but that's like a lot, especially for a particular instance.
00:34:15
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:34:18
Felicia Devine
That's a lot. Okay.
00:34:22
Natalie Richards
There's usually only like five or six.
00:34:24
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:34:25
Natalie Richards
Okay. So um is there a trapped emotion ready to be released related to your... Birth. Yes. Okay. Birth of Sep, I should say. but Not your birth.
00:34:36
Felicia Devine
Not my birth.
00:34:37
Natalie Richards
I can dive into that at some point too. Do you know much about your own birth?
00:34:42
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:34:42
Natalie Richards
A little bit. Okay.
00:34:43
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:34:43
Natalie Richards
Okay. Good. um So do is that trapped emotion in column A? No. In column B? Yes. ah Is that in an odd row? No. Even row. So two, four, six.
00:34:56
Natalie Richards
Ooh, hold on. Okay. So this one might be something different. So is this emotion an inhaler? Inherited trapped emotion. Yes. So we have an inherited one now that's affecting your birth.
Inherited Heartache and Intergenerational Emotions
00:35:09
Natalie Richards
Now this could be inherited from like anywhere between your grandparents and like 15 generations back is what, is what they have found.
00:35:18
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:35:19
Natalie Richards
Okay.
00:35:20
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:35:20
Natalie Richards
So this could be something from somebody you don't even know.
00:35:20
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:35:23
Natalie Richards
You don't have a clue what their name is even.
00:35:24
Felicia Devine
Oh.
00:35:25
Natalie Richards
Okay.
00:35:25
Felicia Devine
Okay. This is crazy.
00:35:28
Natalie Richards
I know. Okay. And I'm getting chills now too. So, okay. So, well, it just means that there's like, there's ancestral presence.
00:35:33
Felicia Devine
What does that mean?
00:35:42
Felicia Devine
Someone's with us.
00:35:43
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm. Ooh, okay. Okay. Okay.
00:35:49
Natalie Richards
like This is so, it gets a little weird sometimes because you, when you start tap, when I start tapping into what I actually feel, then I'm like, oh, now I'm recognizing, recognizing this stuff.
00:35:57
Felicia Devine
Oh, you're almost like a medium. Yeah. You're feeling. Okay. Okay.
00:36:02
Natalie Richards
So I've also been like kind of exercising that a little bit more and I'm like, oh, I do feel things. So, okay.
00:36:11
Natalie Richards
Not like, not like what a medium actually would be feeling, but I, I can sense the change.
00:36:15
Felicia Devine
No, but you're, you're channeling the energy.
00:36:18
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:36:19
Felicia Devine
Okay. Okay.
00:36:20
Natalie Richards
Okay. So we're going to say, is this inherited trapped emotion in column a or column B? It's a B. um And is it in an odd row? Okay. So row one.
00:36:32
Natalie Richards
Okay. So is this trapped emotion, inherited trapped emotion, effort unreceived, heartache, insecurity, overjoy, vulnerability, heartache. So somebody experienced heartache and they passed it on to you.
00:36:47
Natalie Richards
So we're going to see where it came from. So ah did
00:36:49
Felicia Devine
Cool. Wait, I haven't been taking notes. Should I do that right now or should we just go back and...
00:36:53
Natalie Richards
Yeah. and Well, we'll kind of remember, won't we?
00:36:56
Felicia Devine
Okay. So...
00:36:57
Natalie Richards
Heartache. I always think I'm going to remember and then I don't.
00:36:58
Felicia Devine
and Okay.
00:37:00
Natalie Richards
We had heartache and this is an inherited one.
00:37:00
Felicia Devine
So heartache.
00:37:04
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:37:05
Natalie Richards
And then but was the one we just did?
00:37:07
Felicia Devine
We had anxiety.
00:37:08
Natalie Richards
had anxiety and then we had unworthy.
00:37:10
Felicia Devine
ah Age... Age zero to one.
00:37:11
Natalie Richards
Anxiety was zero and one.
00:37:14
Felicia Devine
But that was also somewhat inherited, right? Because it wasn't my own.
00:37:17
Natalie Richards
It was like it was perceived.
00:37:18
Felicia Devine
or it was perceived, not inherited.
00:37:20
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm.
00:37:20
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:37:21
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:37:22
Felicia Devine
Perceived mother.
00:37:24
Natalie Richards
Yep.
00:37:24
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:37:25
Natalie Richards
And then unworthy was 15. Boyfriend.
00:37:28
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:37:28
Natalie Richards
Boyfriend
00:37:31
Natalie Richards
ah boyfriend chasing. Okay. So
00:37:32
Felicia Devine
Yes.
00:37:35
Natalie Richards
heartache. So heartache... so was heartache passed to you from your mom's side? No, from your dad's side. Okay. So from your dad's dad or from your dad's mom. So your dad's mom's side. Okay. Then we're going to go back again and we're going to say, so that's your grandma on your dad's side.
00:38:00
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:38:01
Natalie Richards
Did it become passed or was it passed from your grandma's mom, grandma's dad? No. So it became trapped within your grandma on your dad's side.
00:38:13
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:38:14
Natalie Richards
okay So she experienced heartache. Now this is something that you could ask your dad. Maybe there's something there. Maybe she lost a child. Maybe she, i don't know.
00:38:26
Natalie Richards
I don't know. That would be like, like more of a genealogy question.
00:38:27
Felicia Devine
okay
00:38:29
Natalie Richards
We could ask, did your grandmother on your dad's side lose a child? I say yes. So maybe it's something along the lines of, ah um was it a miscarriage?
00:38:37
Felicia Devine
ka
00:38:44
Natalie Richards
Dad, death and childbirth? Maybe. and i this is where I'm like, I don't know if this is true or not, but that's what that's what your subconscious is saying.
00:38:50
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:38:54
Natalie Richards
So
00:38:56
Felicia Devine
Ring, ring, dad. i have questions.
00:38:57
Natalie Richards
ring, ring, hello.
00:38:58
Felicia Devine
he's He's going to wake up on Sunday morning and be like, what are you talking about?
00:39:02
Natalie Richards
Like what just happened?
00:39:05
Felicia Devine
Whoa.
00:39:05
Natalie Richards
and Okay.
00:39:05
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:39:06
Natalie Richards
So that's entirely a possibility. And maybe it was more so like –
00:39:09
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:39:12
Natalie Richards
was it just a trauma during birth or was it a death? Your subconscious is saying that somebody died in childbirth, ah some baby, a child, the child.
00:39:21
Felicia Devine
The child.
00:39:24
Natalie Richards
Maybe it was like a, an early, like preterm something. I don't know.
00:39:29
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:39:31
Natalie Richards
Weird. Right. So I would lose my mind if that's true.
00:39:35
Felicia Devine
I have to ask. My grandma was very secretive.
00:39:38
Natalie Richards
Was she, and she might not even, people might not even know.
00:39:38
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:39:41
Natalie Richards
Like you're,
00:39:41
Felicia Devine
Well, because when she passed away, we didn't even know her age.
00:39:45
Natalie Richards
Oh, man.
00:39:46
Felicia Devine
She had lied about it.
00:39:47
Natalie Richards
Oh, wow.
00:39:47
Felicia Devine
Well, I don't want to say lied because it was it wasn't like to be malicious.
00:39:51
Natalie Richards
No, she just never told people her age.
00:39:54
Felicia Devine
Because she was dating a younger man.
00:39:54
Natalie Richards
That's how my grandma was too.
00:39:57
Felicia Devine
And in those days, in the 20s, and I mean, they were born in the 20s.
00:40:00
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:40:01
Felicia Devine
So in the the early 30s, it was not perceived to be good to date a younger man.
00:40:02
Natalie Richards
Yeah. The 30s. or Yeah.
00:40:09
Felicia Devine
So she lied about her age.
00:40:09
Natalie Richards
Interesting. Okay.
00:40:12
Felicia Devine
Crazy. So I wonder if there's anything.
00:40:13
Natalie Richards
Interesting. So if she was already secretive about that, it's possible that she was secretive about other things too, but-
00:40:19
Felicia Devine
And maybe my dad doesn't even know.
00:40:21
Natalie Richards
ah Well, that's the that's the thing, that maybe he wouldn't know that. But that's what your subconscious is telling me.
00:40:27
Felicia Devine
Okay. Wow, that's so crazy.
00:40:29
Natalie Richards
Okay. So isn't that wild? Okay. Do we need to know more about the emotion heartache? No, we don't. And that would make sense. Heartache coming from the the losing of a baby, like that's of course that would cause heartache.
00:40:43
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:40:45
Natalie Richards
Okay.
00:40:45
Felicia Devine
Wow, that's crazy.
00:40:46
Natalie Richards
Yeah. Okay. So um let's clear out heartache. Now this one is inherited, so we have to do a lot of passes. We have to do at least 10. So clearing heartache.
00:40:58
Natalie Richards
Okay. has heartache been cleared? Yes. Okay. So we're clearing that from you and actually from every generation that would have had that passed to them.
00:41:08
Natalie Richards
So this includes your dad and includes your, how far back did we go?
00:41:08
Felicia Devine
Okay. Mm-hmm.
00:41:15
Natalie Richards
No, this was your dad's mom.
00:41:16
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:41:16
Natalie Richards
So this would be clearing it from your dad and from you and potentially if you passed it to SEP as well.
00:41:20
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm. Okay.
00:41:23
Natalie Richards
So that's the cool part.
00:41:24
Felicia Devine
Very cool.
00:41:24
Natalie Richards
It clears it out of it everything.
00:41:27
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:41:28
Natalie Richards
Okay. So
00:41:32
Natalie Richards
now we're going to move on. We're going to do probably a couple more as long as you're okay with it.
00:41:34
Felicia Devine
Okay. Oh, this is lovely. I'm feeling lighter. Mm-hmm.
00:41:39
Natalie Richards
ah See, you do, right? Like it's kind of like, ooh, I feel like something gets released from like a deep, deep part of you.
00:41:41
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:41:47
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:41:47
Natalie Richards
It's very interesting. Okay. Okay. So is there a trapped emotion um related to your birth trauma with SEP that is ready to be released? Yes. Is that an and in column A?
00:41:59
Natalie Richards
Yes. An odd row, even row. So two, four, six, two, four, six. Do we have another? and so basically I'm getting like a indecisive answer where kind of all of them are coming up.
00:42:10
Felicia Devine
Oh. Okay.
00:42:15
Natalie Richards
And then I know like we have to ask another question.
00:42:17
Felicia Devine
A more specific question.
00:42:19
Natalie Richards
Uh-huh.
00:42:19
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:42:19
Natalie Richards
So is there an inherited trapped emotion ready to be released? Yes. So is that in column a or B, column a an odd row? No, even. So two, for four, four. Okay.
00:42:36
Natalie Richards
six four Okay. So is that um inherited trapped emotion? Anger, bitterness, guilt, hatred, resentment, anger. Okay. So anger is coming up from an inherited inherited place.
00:42:48
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:42:51
Natalie Richards
um Now, sometimes when we get into the inherited stuff, there will be a couple that kind of come up in that same grouping.
00:42:57
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:42:58
Natalie Richards
just because it's opening up that part of you. So do we need to know more about the emotion anger?
00:43:00
Felicia Devine
ah
00:43:03
Natalie Richards
Yes. um Did that emotion become past you through your mom's side? Mom's side now. Okay. So did that become trapped or passed from your mom's mom, mom's dad?
00:43:11
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:43:18
Natalie Richards
Okay. So your grandpa on your mom's side is where anger is being passed through. um So then we're going to ask on your
00:43:28
Felicia Devine
I think I know what it is.
00:43:29
Natalie Richards
Okay. Tell me. Or you don't have to.
00:43:33
Felicia Devine
and don't think I should.
00:43:34
Natalie Richards
Okay. That's fine. Okay. So is it, yes.
00:43:36
Felicia Devine
Can you ask if it's that?
00:43:37
Natalie Richards
Is it what you're thinking of? Yes, it is. so I'm going to keep asking though, is there more anger that was passed from your dad's, your grandpa's dad or your grandpa's mom?
00:43:43
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:43:52
Natalie Richards
No, ah I'm getting that it was just trapped in your grandpa on your mom's side.
00:43:56
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:43:57
Natalie Richards
So, and that's resent that's resounding with you, right?
00:44:00
Felicia Devine
and
00:44:01
Natalie Richards
Okay. So do we need to know more about that emotion? No. Okay. So we're going to clear out anger from your grandpa, from your mom, from you, and from whoever would be would be passed to in the future.
00:44:15
Felicia Devine
Wow.
00:44:15
Natalie Richards
Okay.
00:44:16
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:44:17
Natalie Richards
So is he still alive? Okay.
00:44:18
Felicia Devine
Mm-mm.
00:44:20
Natalie Richards
So clearing out anger.
00:44:23
Natalie Richards
Okay. Beautiful. Has anger been released? Yes. Okay. Your eyes are like, you're like, oh my God.
00:44:31
Felicia Devine
I literally cannot wait to call my mom.
00:44:35
Felicia Devine
Mom.
00:44:36
Natalie Richards
Just wait.
00:44:37
Felicia Devine
Whoa.
00:44:38
Natalie Richards
You have to see if she felt something different too, because sometimes she'll feel it without knowing.
00:44:40
Felicia Devine
I know.
00:44:43
Felicia Devine
I'll call them after this. Mom and dad, how do you feel?
00:44:48
Natalie Richards
We've done some things. Okay.
00:44:49
Felicia Devine
We've done some things in the ether. They're going to be like, okay.
00:44:53
Natalie Richards
Oh my gosh. Okay. So ah we'll just do, we' we're going to keep asking until your body's done pretty much, but okay, good.
00:44:58
Felicia Devine
Until, yeah, I feel good.
00:45:02
Natalie Richards
do we have a trapped a emotion ready to be released that's related to your birth with SEP? Yes. So is that in column a column B?
00:45:13
Natalie Richards
Is it in an odd row, even row? So row two, four, two, four, seven.
00:45:20
Felicia Devine
Oh, it's inherited again. no
00:45:22
Natalie Richards
Sorry to say
00:45:25
Felicia Devine
Now, I wonder if I'm inheriting a lot of stuff because I'm an empath. Like inherently, I feel other people's feelings.
00:45:32
Natalie Richards
ah Maybe, maybe, i don't know.
00:45:32
Felicia Devine
Right? I don't know. I mean, there's no answer, I guess.
00:45:34
Natalie Richards
but there's There's certain things that
00:45:35
Felicia Devine
But I'm just wondering, like, why I'm so...
00:45:37
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:45:40
Natalie Richards
there's actually a lot of people have a lot of inherited ones
00:45:40
Felicia Devine
okay. Oh, okay.
00:45:43
Natalie Richards
that
00:45:43
Felicia Devine
All right.
00:45:44
Natalie Richards
sometimes it takes a little bit for the inherited ones to come out
00:45:47
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:45:47
Natalie Richards
so sometimes it won't come up in in like a general session right away
00:45:47
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:45:51
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:45:51
Natalie Richards
but because we have a specific target and a specific focus
00:45:54
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:45:57
Natalie Richards
around something that's pretty traumatic, I think some of those inherited ones come through because those are those are deep in our subconscious, creating creating different...
00:45:59
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:46:04
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:46:09
Natalie Richards
they're They're really affecting the way that we go through our lives
Lack of Control and Personal Influence
00:46:13
Felicia Devine
yeah okay
00:46:13
Natalie Richards
without knowing it.
00:46:16
Natalie Richards
Okay. o is is this trapped emotion an inherited trapped emotion? Yes, of course it is. So is the inherited trapped emotion in column column B,
00:46:27
Natalie Richards
So it's B. Is it in an odd row? Even row? Odd row? Even row? Even. Is it row two? Row four? Row six? Row two?
00:46:37
Natalie Richards
Okay. So is that inherited trapped emotion failure, helplessness, hopelessness, lack of control, low self-esteem? Lack of control. That's a pretty common one with um with birth for sure because you have to have a lack of control.
00:46:49
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:46:52
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:46:56
Felicia Devine
ah Right.
00:46:57
Natalie Richards
When you want to control too much, it's not going to work very well. So that's a really common one.
00:47:01
Felicia Devine
Right.
00:47:03
Natalie Richards
So lack of control.
00:47:03
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:47:05
Natalie Richards
Yes. Okay. So do we need to know more about the inherited trapped emotion lack of control? It's really saying that we don't, but we can if you want to.
00:47:14
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:47:14
Natalie Richards
So we can say, did it become trapped or passed on through your mom's side, through your dad's side? This is another dad's side.
00:47:23
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:47:24
Natalie Richards
Did it become trapped in his, in your dad's dad, dad's mom? No, it became trapped in your dad and and it then got passed to you.
00:47:35
Felicia Devine
So my dad.
00:47:35
Natalie Richards
So some sort of some sort of lack of control
00:47:39
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:47:40
Natalie Richards
became trapped in him
00:47:42
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:47:42
Natalie Richards
Makes a little sense with his background, his work background.
00:47:46
Felicia Devine
ah Yeah.
00:47:46
Natalie Richards
um who So
00:47:50
Natalie Richards
do we need to know more about lack of control? We really don't. So it it became trapped in him at some point and we will clear it out.
00:47:54
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:47:57
Natalie Richards
So clearing another inherited one.
00:47:58
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:48:02
Natalie Richards
Okay. Clearing that from you and your dad and Sep and whoever whoever else may may encounter it.
00:48:07
Felicia Devine
This
00:48:09
Natalie Richards
ah Has lack of control been released? Yes. Okay. So...
00:48:16
Felicia Devine
this is so fun.
00:48:18
Natalie Richards
It's really, really cool. Okay. ah So is there a trapped emotion related to your birth with SEP that's ready to be released? Yes.
00:48:29
Natalie Richards
Is it in column A, column B, column A, column B? Oh boy. Okay. Do we have a heart wall emotion that's needing to be released?
00:48:38
Felicia Devine
Oh.
00:48:39
Natalie Richards
Yes. Do we have a heart wall? Do we have an inherited? Inherited? Inherited again. Okay. So just thought I'd ask if there's a heart wall.
00:48:48
Felicia Devine
None of these problems are my own is what I'm getting.
00:48:51
Natalie Richards
But pretty much most of our problems are not our own. And if you don't have the ability to release these things, you wouldn't even know that they're there.
00:48:57
Felicia Devine
Yeah. You'll carry them forever. Right.
00:49:01
Natalie Richards
Because they weren't from you.
00:49:02
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:49:03
Natalie Richards
but That's the wild thing.
00:49:05
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:49:05
Natalie Richards
So there's so many things. Like if you can't tap into your subconscious mind and know what's happening below the surface, there are things that you would never be able to to talk out in therapy.
00:49:12
Felicia Devine
ah
00:49:16
Felicia Devine
Right.
00:49:16
Natalie Richards
it would never happen because you don't even know they're there.
00:49:17
Felicia Devine
Right. You don't even know they're there.
00:49:19
Natalie Richards
didn't even You didn't have the experience to create that.
00:49:19
Felicia Devine
Exactly. Yeah.
00:49:23
Natalie Richards
It's wild.
00:49:24
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:49:26
Natalie Richards
Okay. So is the inherited trapped emotion in column column B, so A, is it an odd row, even row, so odd, row one, row three, row five, row
Abandonment and Relationship with Son
00:49:39
Natalie Richards
one.
00:49:40
Natalie Richards
So is that inherited trapped emotion, abandonment, betrayal, forlorn, lost, abandonment. Okay.
00:49:49
Felicia Devine
hi
00:49:49
Natalie Richards
So inherited abandonment, um,
00:49:54
Natalie Richards
which is kind of interesting because you did feel maybe not abandoned in your, in your birth, but like,
00:50:03
Felicia Devine
There was abandonment.
00:50:04
Natalie Richards
right, right. There was abandonment but that happened.
00:50:08
Felicia Devine
i I abandoned Seth.
00:50:09
Natalie Richards
you Right. So we're going hopefully be able to like get that cleared from him too.
00:50:16
Felicia Devine
Okay. Okay.
00:50:16
Natalie Richards
If there, yeah, which hopefully will happen.
00:50:19
Felicia Devine
Yes.
00:50:19
Natalie Richards
um Okay. I'm going to ask actually a question now.
00:50:24
Natalie Richards
Because I'm curious if this is that abandonment that's coming up. And it isn't inherited because you passed it to him potentially.
00:50:35
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm. Like, is this pulling from him?
00:50:37
Natalie Richards
Or you're feeling it from him.
00:50:38
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:50:39
Natalie Richards
And I don't know if that's possible, but we're going to ask.
00:50:41
Felicia Devine
Yeah. And we will ask.
00:50:42
Natalie Richards
um ah So did abandonment become trapped in you? Did it become trapped in SEP? Here we have it right there. so
00:50:52
Felicia Devine
It's trapped in seppy.
00:50:53
Natalie Richards
who So, which is an interesting, that's interesting.
00:50:54
Felicia Devine
ah
00:50:58
Natalie Richards
I didnt i don't know.
00:50:58
Felicia Devine
That it came up that way.
00:50:59
Natalie Richards
Yeah. Yeah.
00:51:00
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:51:00
Natalie Richards
But that's where my mind took me. So I was like, okay.
00:51:02
Felicia Devine
But I'm, I inherited it from him because he felt abandoned and I took that from him.
00:51:05
Natalie Richards
Correct. Because, right, right, right.
00:51:08
Felicia Devine
Okay.
00:51:10
Natalie Richards
Okay.
00:51:10
Felicia Devine
Wow.
00:51:10
Natalie Richards
So <unk> I'll ask some other questions too.
00:51:10
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:51:14
Natalie Richards
So did it become trapped or um inherited from your mom, from your dad, from SEP?
00:51:14
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:51:20
Natalie Richards
It's truly that you, which with a mother-baby relationship, I don't see how that wouldn't be possible.
00:51:22
Felicia Devine
Wow. Right. Exactly. I literally left him for five hours.
00:51:27
Natalie Richards
Of course, you're so you're literally so in tune to each other also after that, that of course you're able to transfer those those emotions in between each other, of course.
00:51:32
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:51:37
Felicia Devine
Right. Right. Mm-hmm. Of course.
00:51:41
Natalie Richards
Okay. so And and you're while you're breastfeeding and while you're doing all of that, the the energetic connection between your and you and your baby is so intense, like more than any other relationship you'd ever have with anybody else.
00:51:49
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:51:53
Felicia Devine
and ah okay
00:51:54
Natalie Richards
So i I'm going to actually probably email them and say, this came up.
00:51:58
Felicia Devine
ah We pulled this.
00:51:59
Natalie Richards
Is this, have you ever found this?
00:52:02
Felicia Devine
Yeah, that's crazy.
00:52:03
Natalie Richards
Because that is kind of interesting. Okay. So um is this abandonment related to um to when you had to leave him in the first few hours? Yes, of course it is.
00:52:16
Natalie Richards
um Do we need to know more about that emotion? Yes. Okay. um Does Sep feel...
00:52:25
Natalie Richards
man. Okay. Does Sep feel
00:52:30
Natalie Richards
like your relationship wasn't as connected after that? Yeah. Does Sep feel like he's connected to Dan really well after that?
00:52:37
Felicia Devine
Hmm.
00:52:40
Natalie Richards
Yes, which is interesting and good, but also interesting.
00:52:42
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:52:45
Natalie Richards
um Do we need to know more about that emotion? Do you want to ask anything?
00:52:49
Felicia Devine
Mm-hmm.
00:52:49
Natalie Richards
Okay. So I think it just is like, you're probably going to have to spend time repairing that aspect of your relationship where he likely will feel easily abandoned by you in the future.
00:52:57
Felicia Devine
and okay
00:53:06
Felicia Devine
okay
00:53:06
Natalie Richards
Like if you were to just, you know, leave for a little bit, he's probably going to, going to like feel that a little deeper.
00:53:10
Felicia Devine
Right.
00:53:13
Natalie Richards
Maybe not now that we're, that we're going to clear it out.
00:53:13
Felicia Devine
ahha ah ha Right. Hopefully not now.
00:53:17
Natalie Richards
But that would be the potential is that it would.
00:53:17
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:53:21
Natalie Richards
Here's the other side. Is that why he has been so attached to you at night and doesn't want to go to sleep and all of that for 15 months? Absolutely. Yes.
00:53:33
Natalie Richards
So it's just now he's going to hopefully be able to get out of that. out of that pattern.
00:53:40
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:53:41
Natalie Richards
Right. But that makes sense when you have a baby who felt that at the very beginning, he just needs more.
00:53:42
Felicia Devine
Hopefully.
00:53:46
Felicia Devine
ah Yeah.
00:53:48
Natalie Richards
He needs more in order to, to move, to move through that.
00:53:52
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:53:52
Natalie Richards
So it's like, okay, yeah, you have some babies who can go to sleep and sleep through the night and not need to nurse overnight after, you know, eight, nine months, but then some really do need more.
00:53:56
Felicia Devine
ah yeah
00:53:58
Felicia Devine
Right. Right. Yeah.
00:54:01
Natalie Richards
So just a little slight validation for that.
00:54:03
Felicia Devine
Oh my gosh. So interesting.
00:54:05
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm.
00:54:05
Felicia Devine
So interesting. Okay. Okay.
00:54:07
Natalie Richards
Okay. So let's clear. um I'm going to do this 10 times too, because it's technically an inherited one. So clearing abandonment from you and Zep.
00:54:19
Natalie Richards
Okay. And I do find that abandonment is typically felt first in infancy. That's what I see. If that one comes up, it's like always very young. Okay. Has abandonment been cleared from you and from Zep? Yes.
00:54:33
Natalie Richards
Okay.
00:54:34
Felicia Devine
Yay.
00:54:34
Natalie Richards
Oh, sweet little boy.
00:54:36
Felicia Devine
i I like knew that, which is, you know, it's like, but how do you repair that unless you have to, I don't know.
00:54:38
Natalie Richards
Of course. Yep.
00:54:46
Felicia Devine
It's so hard to repair it.
00:54:46
Natalie Richards
Well, we clear it out this way and then you help him feel connected to you at all the times that you possibly can.
00:54:47
Felicia Devine
And yeah.
00:54:55
Natalie Richards
There's always going to be times that you can't, but you you do what you can.
00:54:55
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Right.
00:55:00
Felicia Devine
That's, I think a part of me has always been like, and like I don't, we haven't been away without him.
00:55:04
Natalie Richards
You don't want to leave him. I know.
00:55:06
Felicia Devine
I never want to leave him.
00:55:07
Natalie Richards
you know.
00:55:07
Felicia Devine
I never want to leave him.
00:55:08
Natalie Richards
I think you know that.
00:55:08
Felicia Devine
And I've always said that.
00:55:09
Natalie Richards
And of course.
00:55:10
Felicia Devine
Yep.
00:55:11
Natalie Richards
So I'm interested on how you're going to feel now because you
Reflections on Emotion Code Sessions
00:55:14
Natalie Richards
both may feel, may feel a little bit better.
00:55:15
Felicia Devine
Peace out.
00:55:18
Felicia Devine
Mom's going on vacation.
00:55:22
Felicia Devine
No, but I've, yeah, no, I've literally always been like, I could never, I could never be away.
00:55:22
Natalie Richards
Just, just curious about that.
00:55:27
Natalie Richards
Yeah. Right.
00:55:29
Felicia Devine
Like I've missed like three bedtimes and I'm like distraught about it.
00:55:33
Natalie Richards
Right.
00:55:34
Felicia Devine
Wow. Okay.
00:55:35
Natalie Richards
So that would be really interesting if you feel like that little cord can sometimes can stretch a little bit more, which is naturally going to happen around these ages anyway.
00:55:41
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
00:55:45
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah. Right.
00:55:47
Natalie Richards
but very interesting. ok
00:55:49
Felicia Devine
Wow. I love this. Okay.
00:55:51
Natalie Richards
Okay. Is there a trapped emotion related to your birth trauma with SEP that is ready to be released? No, we're done. So that is it.
00:56:00
Felicia Devine
That one was hanging on.
00:56:01
Natalie Richards
That was, that one was a weird, it was a really weird like feeling too for, for like my strength.
00:56:07
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Like you kept having to switch hands because you were like, what's going on?
00:56:09
Natalie Richards
Yeah. It was like, this is what is happening here.
00:56:12
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:56:12
Natalie Richards
So yeah. Isn't that Wild?
00:56:16
Felicia Devine
That's so cool.
00:56:17
Natalie Richards
How are we already at an hour?
00:56:20
Felicia Devine
I had a lot of trauma, Natalie.
00:56:21
Natalie Richards
Apparently. Oh my gosh. Do you have any closing remarks?
00:56:24
Felicia Devine
Thank you for doing that. No, that was lovely. i don't feel i don't feel particularly sad.
00:56:29
Natalie Richards
It's very cool.
00:56:32
Felicia Devine
i don't feel particularly joyous. It just feels very like refreshing light.
00:56:35
Natalie Richards
Yeah.
00:56:38
Natalie Richards
Yes. Refreshed light. Mm-hmm.
00:56:41
Felicia Devine
um I'm so excited to call my parents and like pick their brains.
00:56:43
Natalie Richards
who Oh my gosh.
00:56:46
Felicia Devine
I hope that it doesn't make my mom feel any sort of way, like sad
00:56:53
Natalie Richards
I hope not. We can also do it for her too if we if she wants to
00:56:55
Felicia Devine
Yeah, I feel like my mom would love that.
00:56:57
Natalie Richards
She probably would.
00:56:58
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:56:59
Natalie Richards
And think when we're releasing those inherited ones, the fact that it does get released from her should help her to not feel, yeah should help.
00:57:06
Felicia Devine
Right, should help her process it as attached to that emotion. Okay.
00:57:10
Natalie Richards
Right, right.
00:57:12
Felicia Devine
I'm also so curious about my grandma and my dad.
00:57:14
Natalie Richards
I know. I know.
00:57:17
Felicia Devine
Crazy. Crazy.
00:57:18
Natalie Richards
I'm very curious about that too. And there's certain things that maybe would you just would never fully know, it
00:57:23
Felicia Devine
Yeah. But, and also like that generation, like miscarriage, stillborn, like those things were not talked about.
00:57:29
Natalie Richards
it was really common. No, it was it was really common and was not talked about.
00:57:31
Felicia Devine
Well, and like, right. Like people might not know and that's okay.
00:57:35
Natalie Richards
Yeah. Yep. Does your dad have siblings?
00:57:39
Felicia Devine
Yeah. through Well, he's one of three boys.
00:57:41
Natalie Richards
Okay. Does he have an older sibling?
00:57:42
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah.
00:57:44
Natalie Richards
Because then maybe the older one would would remember potentially.
00:57:47
Felicia Devine
Maybe. Yeah.
00:57:48
Natalie Richards
Or your dad will. I don't know.
00:57:50
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah.
00:57:51
Natalie Richards
I don't know.
00:57:51
Felicia Devine
I'm so curious.
00:57:54
Natalie Richards
So there we are.
00:57:54
Felicia Devine
That was cool. Well, thank you for sharing your gifts.
00:57:56
Natalie Richards
We'll do it again sometime. Of course.
00:57:57
Felicia Devine
I know. I love that.
00:57:59
Natalie Richards
It's really quite am amazing. So.
00:58:00
Felicia Devine
We, we, have you, could you do it on a pet?
00:58:02
Natalie Richards
Oh, God. Yes. Yes.
00:58:06
Felicia Devine
Okay. I think we need to do it on Josephine soon.
00:58:06
Natalie Richards
And that's the next step because I need to, I have to get to that stage still.
00:58:12
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah. But we have to do it on Josephine.
00:58:13
Natalie Richards
But yeah, it's like, it's a requirement that I have to do it on, on pets. So like to learn this and to be a certified practitioner, you have to be proficient in using it on animals too.
00:58:18
Felicia Devine
yeah.
00:58:22
Felicia Devine
Yeah.
00:58:25
Felicia Devine
Oh, okay, because Josephine has so many trapped traumas from her surgeries, from like all those things.
00:58:25
Natalie Richards
So. Uh-huh.
00:58:30
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm.
00:58:32
Felicia Devine
um
00:58:33
Natalie Richards
Yep.
00:58:33
Felicia Devine
So please sign me up.
00:58:36
Natalie Richards
Yes.
00:58:37
Felicia Devine
Put me on your wait list for pets because she is a trapped trauma garily.
00:58:40
Natalie Richards
Yes.
00:58:43
Natalie Richards
She is. you can You can feel it.
00:58:46
Felicia Devine
I paid a lot of money recently for someone to tell me that.
00:58:51
Natalie Richards
I could have told you that.
00:58:55
Felicia Devine
I told myself that and I still paid someone to tell me that I needed validation. Is that coming up?
00:59:01
Natalie Richards
Yes.
00:59:01
Felicia Devine
Is that coming up?
00:59:02
Natalie Richards
but
00:59:02
Felicia Devine
Validation. Yeah.
00:59:03
Natalie Richards
Does Josephine need an emotional release?
00:59:05
Felicia Devine
ah yeah
00:59:05
Natalie Richards
Yes.
00:59:06
Felicia Devine
Yeah. um Yeah. She's a hoot. Anyway.
00:59:11
Natalie Richards
Oh, my word.
00:59:14
Felicia Devine
No, that was so fun though, Natalie. Thank you for sharing.
00:59:16
Natalie Richards
Good. I'm glad you liked it. I think it's pretty darn awesome.
00:59:18
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Okay. Wait, you have to detach yourself from me now.
00:59:21
Natalie Richards
Oh, yeah. Okay. So ah I have to pretty much just say my name is Natalie. My name is Natalie. My name is Natalie. My name is Natalie. And I'm feeling like I'm detaching myself from you. My name is Natalie.
00:59:34
Natalie Richards
My name is Natalie. It's taking a little bit because we are very connected. My name is Natalie.
00:59:37
Felicia Devine
Oh, wow.
00:59:38
Natalie Richards
Okay. Now I'm Natalie again.
00:59:40
Felicia Devine
That was like 10 times.
00:59:42
Natalie Richards
you know.
00:59:43
Felicia Devine
We are so connected. Wow.
00:59:46
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm.
00:59:47
Felicia Devine
I bet that is harder though.
Virtual vs. In-Person Connections
00:59:48
Felicia Devine
If you don't have a connection with someone to do it virtually, like I'm sure it's easier in person because you have their energy there, but like to do it virtually with someone you don't have that strong connection with probably is harder.
00:59:55
Natalie Richards
Mm-hmm.
01:00:03
Natalie Richards
It's very interesting. They say that it's not, that it's really not because you just end up feeling, you just have the intention and you feel, yeah, it's really interesting.
01:00:08
Felicia Devine
Oh, interesting.
01:00:12
Felicia Devine
You feel what you have to feel. Oh.
01:00:15
Natalie Richards
And you'll start to like, you could, I could even have like little glimmers in my brain of like what your answer might be, you know,
01:00:24
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah.
Concluding Thoughts and Gratitude
01:00:25
Natalie Richards
but or like a path to go down.
01:00:26
Felicia Devine
Wait, there was something. oh when we get off the podcast, I'm going to have to tell you what that one thing was that you were like, do I need to know more?
01:00:31
Natalie Richards
Okay. Okay.
01:00:33
Felicia Devine
And then I said, I'm not telling you.
01:00:33
Natalie Richards
Oh, yes. I feel like I do. I feel like I already know because I feel like we've talked about it, but I don't remember the scenario.
01:00:37
Felicia Devine
Oh, okay. Yeah.
01:00:41
Felicia Devine
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, thank you for joining us for episode 14, full of trauma.
01:00:44
Natalie Richards
and Okay.
01:00:47
Natalie Richards
Full of trauma. That's what we're going to call this.
01:00:49
Felicia Devine
That has been now full of trauma. That has now been released. And now generations to come won't feel it.
01:00:57
Natalie Richards
That's right. That's so powerful.
01:00:58
Felicia Devine
All right. Yeah. Yeah. All right.
01:01:00
Natalie Richards
All right.
01:01:00
Felicia Devine
Well, thanks for joining us.
01:01:01
Natalie Richards
Love you.
01:01:02
Felicia Devine
Love you. bye