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Fantasy Classic Special: Point of Difference - Team Reveals feat. Heff and Cam
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Join Dos & Lewy as they reveal their AFL Fantasy Classic teams for season 2021 with special guests - Cam from The Draft Doctors & Hollywood Heff! PLUS: we answer… some listener questions!
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Transcript
Introduction
00:00:00
Speaker
Welcome to another episode of the point of difference podcast on this episode we're going to reveal our teams and answer a bunch of questions with some special guests hi I'm cam.
Hollywood Hef's Blessing
00:00:19
Speaker
Welcome to the hashtag Pod Pod. I'm Doss here with Louis. G'day, Louis. How you going, Dossie? What's going on, mate? I'm very well and this is our second episode. We made it through to a second episode, Louis. Hollywood Hef gave us the all thumbs up and we're going for
Special Guests Join
00:00:34
Speaker
another one. How do we feel about that? Oh, pretty good, mate. It's good to get the thumbs up and let's get into some starting teams for this year. What do you think about that?
00:00:43
Speaker
Well, we are going to do our team reveals, but Louis, we've got two very special guests here in the Hollywood studios and the man with the studio himself, Heph.
Traveling During COVID
00:00:53
Speaker
Welcome to our pod. I thought Louis was just going to skip past introducing the guests in and just go on with the pod by himself to be honest. But no, good to be here. Good to be here in the my own house. On the podcast studio Hollywood. Yeah, no, it's good to be on the pod pod. And we've got a very special interstate guest all the way from Queensland and from the now defunct
Fantasy AFL Teams Revealed
00:01:13
Speaker
Or on a break. Draft doctors. Cam! How do you respond to that, boys? Defunct is accurate. You know, time off is accurate. But I'll tell you what, very excited to get out of Brisbane when there's a COVID outbreak and bring that to Adelaide and infect y'all.
00:01:31
Speaker
Cam, is it true that you chartered Heff's private jet? Mate, I couldn't afford it. Heff wouldn't lend it because he's a bit stingy. We're lucky to be recording here tonight if I do say so myself. But no, look, I made it here on a chartered flight. It wouldn't be from Heff. It'd be from other sources. I'm not going to name those right now. But yeah, thanks Heff.
00:01:55
Speaker
No problem, man. Well, thanks for joining us. Anyway, both of you guys are on this special pod. We are going to do our team reveal. And then later on, we're going to answer a stack of questions. We've probably got more responses than we were expecting on the social. So we've got a lot of players to get through.
Building a Fantasy Team: Insights
00:02:10
Speaker
But how are we going this way? We've got tomorrow. Obviously, we're recording Wednesday night. Tomorrow is the first partial lockout. And we're talking AFL fantasy classic, as we do here on the Point of Difference podcast.
00:02:22
Speaker
How is your fantasy classic teams going to start what you have? I'm getting closer. So my fantasy team is something I look at like the week before lockout starts. I don't sit around for six months chatting about it like Louis and Dos does. By the way, you are a big time performer last year. Where'd you finish in the fantasy classic ranking? 744th last year. That's impressive stuff. So you'll be happy about it here is what I'm saying. Hat bound this year, hat four.
00:02:47
Speaker
Oh look, that's the goal. But that said, I've got to back up my one good year. It could go very peri-shaped very quickly. Small sample size. I'm not big into it as like you guys are. We'll
Last-Minute Preparations
00:02:58
Speaker
see how it goes. You've done the Amy series one good year, one good game sort of thing. Cam, what about you? How's your classic team shaping up?
00:03:04
Speaker
I have a feeling that I'm going to be like Oleg Markov this year. So like, yeah, really perform well in the Amy series, but probably going to be useless through the season. Ken, we haven't got to my team reveal yet, but he may make an appearance Oleg. Fantastic. And Louis, of course, how are you going, mate?
00:03:21
Speaker
Well, mate, yeah, my team probably hasn't changed too much, but I've been spending enough months on it that it probably would be a concern if it was. So, nah, I'm keen to get stuck in and the pressure's on now because tomorrow night, footy starts. It is. We've had our team reveals, of course, Patty Dow on the follow, boys. On the follow. Did you see that? What do you think, Dossie? What went through the head immediately?
00:03:46
Speaker
Stock standard, just ready for it. I've been waiting all pre-season for it. We knew it was coming. Didn't we, heff, you and I, when we recorded that song? With that keen we wrote a song about it, for sure. Like, it's definitely coming. I'm just hoping that he actually does have a good game so we can bust that song again. I'll miss out five minutes of fame, to be honest. I'm going to back up there. The patty-dow spam, if he drops a ton or something, he's going to be off the charts. The gif game is going to be huge.
Rookies and Job Security
00:04:07
Speaker
All right, well, any general advice heading into the weekend? I think we've sort of been on the group chat talking about our teams constantly. Louis, I mean, you've got a few golden nuggets, I reckon, heading into this weekend. What do you want to do? Just the general fantasy advice for coaches out there of, you know, what to do heading into this weekend.
00:04:26
Speaker
Okay, so first of all, shaping your starting side. You've already done the research. You've seen what players have been able to produce in their practice game and Amy Community Series. So you already know who you sort of want to pick. So don't go changing your selections based on random information through SCN or radio stations, whatever it is, because, you know, you're picking these blokes for a reason. So may as well stay true. And at least then you don't have the hindsight to say that. Well, geez, I was going to pick this guy and
00:04:56
Speaker
in the end. Just back yourself in, back your research, back your gut in some state. Yeah. Your remedy gut feel. Your remedy gut feel. Doss, I'm really keen to hear about your last 10 minutes before lockout every year. Talk me through what happened.
00:05:11
Speaker
So back yourself, back your gut, don't jump at last minute shadows. Well, that's pretty much me every last 10 minutes. The group chats and the messages to statesmen usually go through the roof when it comes to the partial lockouts and the lockouts. Yeah, it's
Impact of AFL Rule Changes
00:05:31
Speaker
somewhat of a struggle of mine, Cam, I've got to say. I mean, you guys have all been privy to seeing my team screenshots over the last couple of weeks now. And has there been a few changes there, lads?
00:05:41
Speaker
I think we get a new screenshot every day of an update. A couple of times. I think the favourite thing for me is it's locked. As a saying, it's locked boys. Or locking the Harlocks now. Or I'm a bit nervous about giving away my team tonight because it might cost me a Harlock. So hopefully we get that team tonight, Dossie.
00:06:01
Speaker
I am a bit worried about that, to be honest. The listeners are going to be lucky to get some information, I reckon. There might be a few cars that'll be won tonight, lads, on the basis of this podcast, thanks to yours truly. Ken, what about you? Do you have any final golden nuggets or you've used all your golden nuggets in your many years of the draft document?
00:06:18
Speaker
Yeah, no, just Louis had it 100% right. Just stick with your gut. You've done the research at this point. If you haven't done the research, you've copied the team. And it's certain that the person that you've copied or the advice you've taken is pretty good.
Midfield Strategy Discussion
00:06:31
Speaker
And go with that. Sounds good. Now, lads, there's been probably one big change. Oh, heff. Sorry, you had a golden nugget of advice, by the looks. Your face was a lot disappointed. He looked disappointed. You didn't get to very disappointed. Hollywood needed to have his work done. No, I was kind of thinking, do I want to say this? Do I actually know what I'm talking about? Or am I happy for you to skip over me?
00:06:48
Speaker
No, my thing, my golden nugget would be just longevity and it's kind of ties into what Louis said, but don't think it, think long-term. So don't back a player that you know is only going to play for the first three rounds and then get dropped or something like that with your rookies. All right. Try to pick guys that are actually going to play and generate cash over a long period of time. Don't get sucked in by the announcements you're going to hear this weekend. Just make sure that the guys you're picking do have a chance of playing long-term.
00:07:12
Speaker
Yeah. And I suppose although this game isn't the super coach platform or the real dream team where you've got limited trades, you still are limited in your trades in that we only have a couple of weeks sometimes in the buy rounds. And if a player does stuff up early days, you've probably got a couple more things to fix up. And if you've got that rookie 170K that's on the go, not 10K.
00:07:34
Speaker
I'm looking in your direction right now. So you might play one game right. I might miraculously come back around two and you've just got a guy who's scoring zero each week and not getting you points.
Fantasy Team Building Advice
00:07:43
Speaker
That's my worry. That's just quickly touch on the sub rule. Um, I think it's probably just the biggest thing this week being discussed in the fantasy community. Um, does anyone have any thoughts on, I mean, it's probably a bit of a pain in the ass that it's back basically.
00:08:02
Speaker
I think it's indifferent to be honest. I think everyone's making a bit of a mountain out of a molehill. My big take on it is that you're probably going to need, there's going to be some controls on the back end that the AFL are going to keep pretty tight in regards to, you know, medical reports and all that sort of stuff.
00:08:19
Speaker
And if teams are found to be sort of taking advantage of the circumstances, they're going to be probably penalized pretty quickly. So my gut feel being that, you know, you have people named off the emergency bench from what I've seen. So we should be safe in general with our green dots. That's what they're pretty much saying is the general catch. There's nothing to worry about, Doss.
Rookie and Mid-Priced Player Strategy
00:08:41
Speaker
What are they? The injury sub? Yeah.
00:08:44
Speaker
It's going to be on the emergency list. So look, just keep an eye on the emergency list and you might see that a rookie might get named and maybe you get nervous about that. But in regards to one field, it's not going to affect you at all. And especially in your trades, which I think that was the main concern. If we were having to adjust 60 minutes before a game, that's just kayaking. Throwback to last year where we were all so stressed. So it's fantastic. We know 24 hours before the game and just keep an eye on it. It doesn't affect coaches.
00:09:13
Speaker
My only concern is, and I haven't actually, I've been at sports day all day with my school, so I've been measuring discus throws all day, but so I'm not, I might be wrong here, but my thinking is, this is my number one concern, and if it's not a concern, let me know straight away, but that if a player, I heard today that just because a player gets the injury sub doesn't necessarily mean they're ruled out for the next week, it depends, only concussions are, right?
00:09:38
Speaker
So if someone tweaks a calf, right, they could instead of going, oh, just toughen up, get back out there, we need you for another quarter type thing and put another 20 points on their fantasy score or whatever, they could easily ice them up, put them out the sub, bring someone else in. That's my only concern that that might impact some scoring, which kind of brings me back to the triggered days of the old sub rule that you've got a player that's going, okay, well, he's on the field, he's scoring, but then all of a sudden he's subbed and that's your scoring stop dead for that player.
00:10:05
Speaker
Yeah. Is that a thing?
Personal Midfield Picks
00:10:07
Speaker
I think go to back in the controls. I hope so. My whole thing is, you know, for all the rubbish that the AFL throws at us as fans, like sometimes they do actually plan things out. And from that perspective, they, you know, they did amazing last year with COVID. I think they sort of getting to that point where they're planning a little bit more. And so from that perspective, I think there's probably
00:10:31
Speaker
If there's not controls in the way to mitigate against that, then they've made a misstep. Spoken like a true McLaughlin can done very, very well there. Tell us in the family. Also injuries are out of your control. So injuries are out of your control. So just forget worrying about them. I don't think so.
00:10:51
Speaker
Sounds good to me, Louis. Now, what the whole, the bulk of this podcast is going to be is our team reveal. And the way we're going to do this is just line by line. I think, Louis, you'll reveal your back six. We'll discuss it and then we'll quickly reveal mine because I think the listeners want to hear a man that knows a little bit more about a starting squad than me. So focus mainly on Louis' team and I'll sort of reveal mine as we go as well and quickly just bash mine as much as we want.
00:11:17
Speaker
So, Louie, do you want to start off by, I guess, revealing your back six? So, first of all, Dossie, you make me go red. I think listeners still want to listen to what you've got in store for us because, in fact, I'm very interested as well because I think it's changed probably a thousand times. Absolutely, it has. It certainly has.
Player Positions and Strategies
00:11:37
Speaker
And Cam's just coming back with some beers so he can also hear this back six. Of course, this podcast is recorded slightly intoxicated tonight. Thank you to Bro Bois for supplying the beers as well. I mean, Remedy can butcher for the remedies I meant. We have a couple of remedies in between, boys, of course. Capers Fresh? Definitely. All right. Well, I'm going to start off with my D1, who is Tom Stewart from The Cat. Wow.
00:12:05
Speaker
I guess I'll expand on that boys unless you boys want to go through I can go through the whole line We'll discuss certain picks. Yeah, then all right, so Tom Stewart. Do you want a reason why or not? Just go through right off the top. We got Tom Stewart then we got Caleb Daniel I think he'll Advantage off the man in the mark rules then McAvoy Ben McAvoy at d3 Jordan Clark at d4
00:12:30
Speaker
Oleg Markov, how could you not love a bloke with a name like that in your fantasy team? And that moustache. And that moustache, exactly. So he's at d5 and then rounding it out at d6 is Hayden Young. And on my bench, I've got Tom Highmore and Jacob Kazitsky. Yep. So I think the bench pretty stock standard. I think I've pretty much got the same with Highmore and Kazitsky. That's pretty solid picks. But we'll talk about
00:12:56
Speaker
the premium options here. Now it looks like you've basically gone the one genuine premium, genuine, genuine premium of the like mid to high 90s average in Tom Stewart. You've got Caleb Daniels who's in the higher 80s and then the rest is kind of those mid prices and the rookie, well, rookie priced-ish Hayden Young. So there's basically no one under here and it's something that's been going around the fantasy community.
Midfield Lineup and Strategy
00:13:20
Speaker
you've got a couple of 300Ks are your cheapest players in the back line and that's just purely the security factor of having those running halfbacks. You've gone with that strategy this year. Yeah, so it's just that I have no confidence in those rookies down back to score enough and their job security is a little bit shaky, as well as those blokes like Hayden Young, Oleg Markov, Jordan Clark, maybe having an advantage from these men on the mark rules too. So,
00:13:47
Speaker
I'm not totally sold on this rule. I think that it's something that's going to be tightened up on really quickly. So I'd rather pick the blokes that are underpriced and may have upside early with that rule than really load up on those big guys. Um, just, you know, I've seen some teams batting to Sam Docherty at D4. I'd just rather not load up on those guys. Cause I think there's going to be the screws tightening a little bit after round six.
00:14:11
Speaker
The one thing that probably won't change is the kick outs. So having the extra space, kicking out of the mark. So you want to make sure you've actually got guys that are kicking out. I think you probably are lacking, like you're layered playing in the midfield. I think he's probably someone like, everyone's going to go. I know it's going to be a pod for you. A pod hashtag. So Louie does have, yeah, Louie has layered, but he's currently an M2, which I guess maybe just, I didn't even see him there. Sorry. That's actually a recent change. So I've sort of been thinking the last few days that,
00:14:41
Speaker
Definitely, there's going to be players that have an advantage off of this man on the mark rule. Previously, Caleb Daniel was Steven Canelio. I thought that maybe I'll take the punt, Caleb Daniel being sort of the quarterback in terms of his kicking and half back for the Bulldogs. I thought maybe he's someone to take a punt on for 50K less and just swing Rory Ladd into the mid, which of course helps me with my DPP ability with Ben McAvoy there.
00:15:10
Speaker
You had to
Player Analysis and Strategy
00:15:11
Speaker
find out a little bit later. You've gone super under pricey and I just want your takes as well. I reckon the biggest name there, Ben McAvoy. Cam, are you sold on Ben McAvoy as guy that can go? Well, a lot bigger than last year, but in classic and in particular be a genuine option in fantasy classic. Yep. Yeah. Just plus you reckon just straight back into the rock and no problem with Segla being there with the split rock. He's back to his best as captain of the Hawthorne food club this year.
00:15:39
Speaker
Yeah, it's really hard to deny, to be honest, especially when you see how depleted the forward line is at the Hawks. They kind of need Sigler there to be that tall option. And then when you've got McAvoy who, you know, they tried the experiment back, didn't work, and they're throwing him back in the ruck. He looked amazing in Amy. He looked really, really good. I don't understand why.
00:16:00
Speaker
He couldn't go minimum 75 and the upside is 100. He's done that before. There's definitely a ceiling. There's a ceiling there that either way, his price is under.
00:16:15
Speaker
Yeah, that's the main point. I don't give a shit about what he's going to score. He's going to score more than he did last season, therefore he's going to make him money. You're going to be out upgrading. I'm happy with that. Done. Half these guys, if I don't think they're going to be in the top six at the end of the season, I just want them making money and he's going to do that. My only issue with that is that I think the defensive slots this year, and you can kind of see it with the way you've structured it here.
00:16:38
Speaker
All the other five guys are guys that are essentially those distributors. Maybe Jordy Clark, you could argue is more of a wingman or sort of that all around the ground guy. But Markov, Young, Daniel Stewart, those are those distributors. If you've got McAvoy in there, you're starving yourself of another option in there. Maybe I don't know someone that's around that same price, which is maybe why you've got in there. But at the same time, you might be starving yourself of adding another one of those potential distributors, although you do have Laird in the midfield, obviously.
00:17:05
Speaker
Definitely, definitely. And I think you'll find why I have Ben McAvoy a little bit later. Okay. I just want to quickly touch on, so there's two players there that really interest me and I think, you know, are pretty prevalent throughout the community. So Hayden Young, from my perspective, I really want to hear your thoughts on Hayden Young because my read on it is maybe a little bit different in that
00:17:27
Speaker
I'm pretty concerned that actually Luke Ryan coming back from playing round one, the emergence of Brennan Cox as well. You know, how does that affect his scoring? And then from the other perspective, Tom Stewart, I find it really interesting that you start starting Tom Stewart. So talk me through it.
Detailed Player Analysis
00:17:46
Speaker
Okay so first of all with Hayden Young, Free Mantle have had a major change in game style over the last year with Justin Longmuir where they've adapted that sort of kick mark system that they had at Collingwood, Justin Longmuir had at Collingwood and we saw that towards especially the back end of last year with Free Mantle.
00:18:05
Speaker
I think Hayden Young being injured at the first half of last year and then coming into this year, he's going to be someone who's already rated for his ball use, someone they're going to look to use to be able to hit targets in the back line. And because they play that chip mark football, they're going to look for him because look, Luke Ryan obviously takes the kick ins. Who does he go to? You know, there's always going to be that short chip kick 20 meters out because of the new 25 meters out man on the mark rule.
00:18:33
Speaker
I don't mind it. It wasn't the first Amy game, it was the first one that I saw bits and pieces of and it just looked like they were still trying to use the ball through him coming out of defence just as much as they were Luke Ryan as well.
00:18:48
Speaker
I don't think I don't mind it to be honest like I think I've got him in my side as well so I'm at the end of the day it comes down to job security and he's someone who's gonna play everything and he's under price for what he can produce you know that's that's the man that's the main fact he's at least 10 points under price I think and and that's probably enough in the defensive stocks that we've got this year but
00:19:07
Speaker
As for Tom Stewart, I'm surprised you're maybe not as keen on him as a cat supporter. I feel like when you support your team, you're lower on the players. I hate that all the time. Yeah, I'm super low on port players always. My thing with Tom Stewart is just that you've got lead there, but everyone else is going to have someone... I guess Docketty isn't the one that everyone's going for. And to be honest, they're pretty similar types. I think it just looks weird because he's actually sitting there as your D1. That's what's weird in me. Yeah, yeah. Because you've got lead in the midfield. For me, it's...
00:19:35
Speaker
Upside, right? So trying to look at upside. I find that really, really hard. I don't think he's going to be a bigger. No. And so he's going to be super consistent at 95 or whatever, be top six. But is there upside there? Probably not. And it really depends what you want from that position, I guess. So the reason I think that he's got upside cam is that he had an injury affected game last year with his collarbone. So I think he scored. So was it a 13 or something like that?
00:20:00
Speaker
Yeah, he averaged 96 in 78% time on ground last year. I reckon he had one of those those injury affected games. And these last five games last year, he averaged 113.6. And it's also easily forgotten that he entered 2020 with a hip complaint and was was under a massive injury cloud to even play around one. So it took him a few weeks. And I also remember a wet game. It was at the category, I think, where he only scored about 56. And that doesn't suit versus Fremantle.
00:20:28
Speaker
That doesn't suit his fantasy game. Those are three instances of where there is Upside going into this season based on where it's priced at and obviously throw on top of that that he missed sort of fortified games so he's got a little bit of discount there too.
00:20:45
Speaker
So the flip side to it, of course, is that Zach Toohey played in the midfield last year. He's in the midfield only this year. And he's probably going to switch back to defence, so that will probably harm some of the scoring. He'll definitely play some of the output. And then the other side of it, of course, is you've got the emergence of players like Tom Atkins who have come from the forward line.
00:21:06
Speaker
that are probably gonna have a bit more of the bowl in that and steal a little bit of that. Tom Stewart doesn't care about Tom Atkins brother. So Tom Stewart, hi. This is like watching me and Kays go out on the, I'm actually filming this because this is good fun.
00:21:19
Speaker
But to finish my point, he plays Adelaide, round one, who we saw in Amy community series, uh, what Adelaide had kicks port actually doubled in marks. And Tom Stewart is a kick mark player. I think he could really sort of break the mold of being that 80 to a hundred averaging or not averaging 80 to a hundred scoring player and just go bang around one.
00:21:42
Speaker
Boys, I'm going to jump in quickly. We're over 20 minutes into the pod and we've only just gone through Louis' back lines. That's right. Another 20 minutes each line. 20 minutes each line. I wasn't expecting the grill work. We just dished up to Louis on his. I was expecting that on my side. Oh geez, are we going through your side as well?
00:21:59
Speaker
We'll briefly touch on mine. That's what I was saying. I think we'll cover enough talking about Louise. Yeah. And Tom Stewart had 17 fantasy points in 18% time on ground in round four last year. So that's where he's... Good points per minute. Yes. So my back line is Rory Laird at day one, Tom Stewart day two, Jack Crisp day three, Caleb Daniel day four, Jordy Clark.
00:22:21
Speaker
D5 and Oleg Markov D6. I'm avoiding the Hayden Young based on sort of what Cam was saying. Just because I think I've got the money to go up to Oleg Markov and I kind of see that juicy little role and it is a bit of a risk reward situation and I just like his early matchups with Oleg.
Integrating Rookies into Teams
00:22:39
Speaker
He's got West Coast round one. I think maybe West Coast tend to be something we consider hard to score against. I see a little bit of a
00:22:47
Speaker
That being a little bit less hard. Optus is huge. Yeah, Optus is just massive. And he's got a couple of other nice ones early. Same bench with Jacob Kaczynski and Tom Hyrum, or anything quickly there, lads? I just like the fact that you both avoided rookies, which is kind of good. Like, you know, kind of iron and Kaczynski's and stuff like that. I think it's a good thing to have in your back line, because those players that could drop out very, very quickly and leave you up shit creek.
00:23:10
Speaker
I think it is sort of a consensus in a lot of the fantasy community this year that you can't do that this year just based on the new rules. The new rules are going to benefit these guys and that means a whole heap of backmen are under priced and that's where my system of I've got probably a lot more guys in the 95
00:23:27
Speaker
to 100 bracket with the crisp Stuart Laird than I do in other lines because we're gonna hopefully, if all goes to plan, see them get the boost and Laird of course just because of the mid time that we saw him get a massive boost from last year. Louis, we'll get into your midfield though.
00:23:43
Speaker
Well, I was just about to say, I love your Chris Pick, by the way. He's someone I always like to start in recent years, has a fantastic ceiling and burst score, which we like to see from... And the back end of last year. And the back end of last year as well. And he's one of those guys that they just want the ball in his hands. I am slightly, there's a slight concern having Jeremy Howe sort of back in the mix this season and Quaynor rising a little bit, but still my boy Maynard.
00:24:05
Speaker
But sorry, and Maynard, but he was already there last season, but Quaenor's rise is actually also, he looked really good. You think it's almost entirely mitigated by the fact that I could use him in the midfield though, right? So there's so much ball that Chris could get in that midfield.
00:24:23
Speaker
That's true. Actually, like he could actually, you could actually see him have largest stints in the midfield this year. Definitely. And obviously he just finished last year as well, just with an absolute bang. So it's kind of just that back half the year as well. Hopefully he can. Now I want to put Tom Stewart and Jack Crisp in my town. Jack Crisp is about to come into my team.
00:24:38
Speaker
that too. Let's see Louise Midfield. Let's go through just quickly from M1 to M8 and your bench and we'll just discuss any major picks. We might move a little bit quickly. Yeah, yeah. We've got to speed this up. The pacing's a bit off. So Zach Merritt at M1, probably no surprise there. I think a lot of coaches are across why he's going to score well.
00:24:57
Speaker
this year obviously with his CBA's. Rory Ladd is at M2. He's replacing Steven Canelio just recently just for a little bit of extra flexibility and taking advantage of that man on the mark. We've got Sam Walsh at M3. I think he's a breakout contender to go from that 94 average to maybe 105. Tending lots of center bounces. Zach Williams is injured. Just think round one there's a lot of boxes to tick and that's all he needs to do.
00:25:25
Speaker
Tim Taranto, obviously under price, gone at 112 average before. I think that's an extremely straightforward pick and fantasy as he is of Rao just because he had those center bounces on the weekend as well. I just want to clarify something with Rao too. Last week we kind of had a little bit of a questioning of Rao and I feel like we ended up both on the same camp. I just want to put that on public record. We both ended up on the side of Keep Rao.
00:25:49
Speaker
Yeah, look, it's easy to overthink it. He didn't score well in the AMU Community Series. If he scored 100, you'd be locking and loading. And I rewatched a little bit of that game last night and I was like, what are people worried about? It was real dewy conditions actually up there, so it's probably no surprise he had a lot of contested touches and not a heap of uncontested.
00:26:09
Speaker
And who gives a shit about Amy Series? Like he's not trying. Like all the CBAs in the world. I think yeah. Lock and load at that price. Insane bargain. Absolutely. And I think people are forgetting why we're picking him. We're not picking this guy as a mid-pricer. We're picking this guy because he's priced.
00:26:25
Speaker
He's an underpriced premium, is what we think. So he's someone that we want to be keeping for the year. Don't overthink it. If you think that Matt Ral is someone that can score within, you know, the top 10 meds this year, then start him in your sight. He is seriously cheap. Yeah. What's Noah priced at? Uh, 550? Maybe. Can, mate. I'm not going to Anderson. Why not? Probably a bit more. Because he hasn't shown the upside that Ral has.
00:26:53
Speaker
There's a consistency. I think it's an interesting role. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. I think it's a really interesting pick. And whilst everyone's zigging, you could sag pretty easily. I like it in draft. Yeah.
Midfield Strategy Analysis
00:27:06
Speaker
I can see where you're coming out. I just think we haven't seen like, I know we haven't seen a whole heap from out because he played what four full games and one zero donut.
00:27:15
Speaker
Yeah. But at the same time, we saw exactly what it can do. And we saw the bulk CBAs. What's to say, Noah Anderson? We 100% get the same amount of center bounces, the same amount of usage in there. It's a nice pod. The only thing that can get said for Anderson is, though, that he does have the outside game.
00:27:33
Speaker
That's what I was thinking in regards to the trend, this Amy community. Correct. So, so you've got your row where he's, he's got the one string to the bow. You've got someone like Noah Anderson has got the double and he's probably going to see more time on ground, right? So there's, there's a really big potential there that, you know, he's potentially under priced and way overlooked. Cam, have you gone the Zag in your classic team? I'm doing it right now.
00:27:55
Speaker
Oh, it's changing as we speak. Is that what you're saying? Correct. Cam's team reveal at the end of the show. Love it. Love it. And we'll just round out the midfield. I got three rookies, Braden Campbell from the Swans, Tom Power from North and Errol Gordon from Sydney. We have the exact same midfield, except I don't have lead in there. I've got someone like Sloan in there or, no, actually, no, I've got Saron in there at the moment. That's the only difference between our midfields.
00:28:19
Speaker
Oh, wow. Yeah. I have a really big question around the top 800 finish. You might finish the top 1000. For anyone just listening to the show, there's no stream. They just fist bumped. They just did a fist bump. Bit of a fist bump connection. Errol Gordon.
00:28:35
Speaker
How many rounds? Oh, he's in there. All of them. He's an accumulator at junior level. I get where you're coming up. You're thinking Dylan Stevens, Ollie Florent, you're thinking those guys coming in on that wing. That's a recent trend. Historically, Swans debutantes do play the full season and they really do blood games into them. I mean, you look at Isaac Heaney, Callum Mills, really,
00:29:02
Speaker
All their first round draft picks, I know Errol Gordon's a second round draft pick, but all their first round draft picks besides Matthew Ling generally play every game that season. So Horse has shown that he's willing to give these guys a go and I think if Errol Gordon's going to show he's capable at level, he'll just keep getting a go. I'm also coming from the angle that you've got
00:29:22
Speaker
Not that he's not best 22 worthy and not that historically senior don't play them. It's just that he's going to need to play on a wing to score pretty well, right? So is Steven someone that drops out because of him or is Chad Warner going to come in and is he going to play that role? They seem to have a lot of these outside types. That's the only thing I'm concerned about.
00:29:40
Speaker
Definitely. His role is volatile. I think at his price point, $208K, you're able to downgrade him to a rookie that you do miss. So it's someone that we know is going to daily around one. We know has good scoring potential. We know has good junior numbers. And because he's priced at $208K, if he does get dropped after round one or if he fails to fire after round three, he's a nice little downgrade to sort of the next best rookie. Whoever's coming at the time. You know, you don't mess with the junior statesmen.
00:30:17
Speaker
That's some impressive stuff right there and just quickly your two bench positions you've got Scott and Jordan there
00:30:24
Speaker
Yeah, so I think Scott took over from Hayden Crozier, who's just hurt his shoulder the other week. So if he plays well enough, he should have a little bit of job security in that team. And he does play Collingwood round one. So defenders score well against Collingwood. I think that's the old draft doctor's adage, isn't it? Stream defenders. Never heard of it.
00:30:43
Speaker
And James Jordan, he's probably not going to play long, maybe three rounds, but he's got the midfield role. He played 28% of center bounces on the weekend. And look, he's got it and he's 170K. I think you sort of just lock him away at M10.
Fantasy Team Structure
00:31:02
Speaker
So what does it tell you about Andy bracial or Angus bracial that that to me maybe feels like that he's maybe not playing because of his in, you know, he had an injury and he did play VFL, but maybe they're just going to give him a chance. It sounds like it could be a week and then I think he might be out. That's a concern, Jordan.
00:31:22
Speaker
Who do you go out of Jordan and McNeil because he obviously has been named for the dogs He's that playing that sort of small forward role, but eligible as the 170 can just talking about to 170 K Brooks I don't know if that's gonna mean the questions later, but James Jordan verse McNeil for the dogs
00:31:37
Speaker
Yeah. So off the top of my head, you've got Waitman, Porter, uh, John as well as Kavara last year and Gardner. So that's a fifth bulldog rookie. That's a burnt people in the last and Butler. Yeah. So they're sick. So you'd rather the guy that's had a few CBAs, even though you've got maybe a lingering brayshore and viney in the background. Um, you'd probably still rather just that potential for scoring and maybe, you know, you've heard from Goodwin that he likes him though.
00:32:06
Speaker
Look, we're not willing to pay up for primos with Bevo. So why would we pay up for rookies? It's like fucking great. Cool. All right. My, uh, just quickly, my midfield, I've got actually Sam Walsh and one, so I'm going a little bit, uh, a little bit cheaper. Don't have the Zach Merritt type in there. I've got Toronto M2, Sorong M3, Matt Rau, M4, Bradley Hill at M5. All about that.
00:32:30
Speaker
Xavier O'Neill, the West Coast rookie at M6. I believe that's pronounced Javier. Javier O'Neill. Okay. Tom Power, M7 and Errol Gordon, M8 with the same rookie bench.
00:32:45
Speaker
I feel like that's stank. Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of this. Okay. Louis, let's hear your take on this. Just looking at Dos, that has been a massive punch in the gut. Let's move on. We better talk about Bradley Hill, Dos, because I know you are super keen on him. He makes a good point on radio. Let's talk your listeners through it.
00:33:08
Speaker
Brad Hill. Well, OK. Last year was Stank. As you guys just said, my entire midfield was. Brad Hill had a trash start to the year. But Brett Ratton came out and I sent you guys through which game it was last year. I'm not entirely sure. I'd have to look it up again. It was right after the Geelong game, I think.
00:33:29
Speaker
And they were playing Essen in the next round. It was a long way through the season. It was a fair chunk of the way through the season. And Brett Ratton came out in a presser and made a huge point of saying, yes, Brad Hill has been getting in the right spots. We don't know why he's not getting the ball from our players. And it was a clear change of direction, saying, guys, get him the ball. He's been open. Obviously, it was his first year at St. Kilda coming from Fremantle. And they just didn't know how to use him correctly.
00:33:57
Speaker
Also, sorry, it's also with that just he's an endurance machine playing shorter games. Exactly. And that's another massive bonus this year. So he's got the 88 average after that press conference where Brett Ratton said we need to use him more. Since that point, he averaged an 88 adjusted last year. He's priced at 72. And then as Heff just said,
00:34:17
Speaker
The extended game time is going to benefit a guy that can run just all day long at high speed and he can just get out on the winks. And sorry, and a ball user that is not going to get affected by the man in the mark. So it feels to me like he's got about a seven point upside. Seven points. Yep. And specifically seven points. Like for me, I really feel like you can maybe downgrade and spend money elsewhere.
00:34:43
Speaker
I think he's got 20 plus points upside down. Wow, you think he can go 108? 20 would be 92. Sorry, if we say 88 is the line from after when he was called, good. There's no way. He's priced at 72. Yeah, okay. I look at it from a structural point of view and everyone's got a sarong, a sloane at Bradley Hill. Like, that's the only one with Bradley Hill.
00:35:09
Speaker
4% on board. Everyone's going to play at around this price, don't they? Correct me if I'm wrong, that's not around their price tags. I don't think it's the worst option. You're really bucking the trend there.
Player Roles and Strategies
00:35:22
Speaker
But I think that my take on it is that's not actually the worst pick in your midfield. The thing is I'm looking at your team overall.
00:35:29
Speaker
You've got Sam Walsh as your vice captain, and I'm looking through it. I don't know if you're just getting stuck with the Thursday night loophole thing, but you don't really have a lot of other captain options. It's Grundy. Yeah, I know. You're going around as captain, but you want a good VC to actually chuck somebody who has the potential of going 110 plus.
00:35:47
Speaker
Like you've got lead in there, you could, but apart from that, there's no one else in your team that I'd be comfortable putting the VT on. I am so cagey about putting a VC or a C on a rock in round one. So cagey. Yeah, we saw them get scared, didn't we? Yeah, we've seen what Grundy can do to team English. I know. I don't care if Steph Martin's here. I don't care if Martin's a stopper, man. I don't care about round one. I'm caring about beyond that. Like when you come up with a tough matchup for Grundy,
00:36:12
Speaker
Who are you putting that C on? And we'll go through the rest of your team in a second. But yeah, we need to talk more about that. Oh, I put my mind on Sam Draper the way he's been speaking about him to be honest. We're not at my R2 yet there, are we? No, no, point taken. And to be fair, Zach Merritt was probably my addition that I sent to you guys. That's why he should be there.
00:36:29
Speaker
I think addition I've sent to you guys a few times lately, but I think Bradley here was a solid pick I don't know. Yeah, like I don't think that's the worst option. Yeah, by the way 97 points in 80% time on ground in the Amy series Which I think Bradley here was gonna top 80% time on ground In the regular season Louie, let's get to your rocks
00:36:50
Speaker
Yeah. So hopefully this one doesn't take half an hour because there's only two of them. Yeah, hopefully not. This is actually a position that changed for me today. So it's going to take half an hour. Sam Draper at R1, I see on this ground. I'd gone at R1 up until today.
00:37:06
Speaker
I've had to chase a little bit more value and sure up some rookies. So I'm still pretty happy downgrading to Brody Grundy. I think he's going to be a top two ruck still. Probably not as hot on him as what it may have been a couple of weeks ago, but it's Brody Grundy. I think you know what you're going to get. It's going to be sort of 110 plus. And then at R2 we got Paul Hunter, which is probably where my team falls apart for a lot of the listeners.
00:37:35
Speaker
Um, the reason behind that is, and I really don't want to explain it too much because I think it's bad. I just think everybody has spoken about why rookie rocks can be an advantage for me. It's just that I think that these, um, Paul Hunter, Lloyd Meek and Matthew Flynn are going to generate some, uh, they're going to generate more cash than what some of the other rookies are. And especially with, um, the lack of rookies in defense, it sort of helped me.
00:38:03
Speaker
via Ben McAvoy to have him there is back up for these three ruckmen. So thank you. If a two or three can pop, then downgrade and sort of jump on McAvoy and get up to a big dog. So out of Meek, Hunter and Flynn, you've picked Hunter on your field.
00:38:23
Speaker
Yeah, so Hunter had scores comparable with Riley O'Brien at sandfall level. And we saw what Riley O'Brien was able to do in 2019 coming in as a rookie price ruck. So I think Paul Hunter's probably got the most upside. I think that the sandfall's probably there with the VFL. But I think it's the strongest state league side. Do you realize that Jack Trengov had scores comparable to every premium midfielder in the sandfall? Yeah.
00:38:52
Speaker
Definitely, definitely. And Will Hamill, who average, Will Hamill actually averaged more at AFL level than we did at Sandfall level. So I don't necessarily, it always correlates, but I think with a Ruckman, if they can get their hands on the ball, that's half of what they've got to actually do. So having that sort of basement of hit outs is nice. And I think Paul Hunter being a mature age player is really capable. Matthew Flynn's probably a little bit underdone still playing his first game in the weekend.
00:39:20
Speaker
Aren't two of them playing each other in this game, or am I mistaken to say that? I think they're all playing each other within the first four rounds. Round one though, aren't two of them going against each other? Probably. And Hunter, who's Hunter playing against? Uh, Flynn V. Hunter. Yeah, Flynn V. Hunter, so you're backing him to come out on top out of those two.
00:39:38
Speaker
for round one because I'm looking at Hunter like he's def like you know he might play three or four let's say let's say Ryder takes another couple weeks let's say Marshall takes to round four round five onwards once those two are fit and firing both back Hunter doesn't play again surely no well I wouldn't want Hunter after round five anyway so you're backing on the you're backing on the cash grab there that's it so I'm hoping he's about 350k by then and and that's more than enough to be able to cash him in but if Ryder comes back round two that squanders that plan
High-Risk Player Analysis
00:40:06
Speaker
I don't think you will. I think a writer's taking taking time away from the club. We're going into round one this week. He's not out the club. He's not training. He doesn't know. I reckon that have him on a program wherever he is. I reckon that have him on some.
00:40:22
Speaker
Oh, they'd have him on a program, but I'm not sure that he just slots into the game style that they're playing. I think that probably doesn't set the right example either. So he'll train at least one week. I think we'll know when Patty Wright is going to play because it'll be reported that he's back at training. You made the point as well, which I agree with that. I don't think Sankhilde are too worried with what goes on on the Ruck at this stage. They've got, they can match him in other areas of the ground as well. Yeah, yeah. Science is competitive now. So we'll probably only take 25 minutes on Ruck.
00:40:51
Speaker
Let's get a New York stand. Let's stop talking about Paul Hunter. Grundy Draper, for me. So I just wanted to alleviate the risk of a rookie. And I think Draper's in for a big year, boys. What? I don't hate it. It's fine. Draper is the best kind of...
00:41:06
Speaker
player at that level. The only concern is that he is going to be rested at any time. In which case you've got Flynn and I mean I've got Meek at the moment that could change if we know Darcy's 100% back. So I mean you've got Flynn that is going to be
00:41:24
Speaker
The ruck at gws for an extended period of time so if draper does have a break I can either trade him out if he's made enough coin or just put flin on the field for one week And it's not an issue, but I personally think he's gonna have a huge ear and he's a guy that's not being talked about at all He's got all the ruck competition has gone there. I mean belt shows done and dusted Andrew Phillips is a spud so you've got draper there just ready to take the ruck mantle and
00:41:48
Speaker
I think based on what we saw in the Amy series as well, his points per minute were really solid. Yes, the time on Grant is going to be an issue, especially in extended game time. It's probably your only concern with Draper, but he's one year now removed. He's played an entire season now.
00:42:03
Speaker
After the ACL injury and that's usually when we see a jump and then also he's coming up to what he's 22 to 23 years old now This is the time usually what that we've seen the last few years where rucks kind of start to take that next step I just think he's being really underrated as a four hundred and fifty four thousand dollar option in our rucks and personally, I think with more upside than a guy like McAvoy who's still got a
00:42:29
Speaker
The Segla threat there. He hasn't left. He's just inverted commas playing forward. What's going to happen with Clarko? Like one week they might want to rest McAvoy. One week they might have an option down back. Denver Granger Barras might need a rest and they need to put him at center half back. I think that is something that's sort of underrated and Draper for me has the upside. Yeah, I don't mind it. The only thing is like with Draper at his price and I'm stealing this idea completely from the traders. Get a warning, bromance if you're, if you're listening.
00:42:58
Speaker
No, I heard it on their show. They're saying that basically Draper is that kind of cheap that you could play Hunter round one and get a look at him first and then kind of go to him after that, which I don't mind that idea as well. Cause then you'll actually know. Cause it's not going to be hard to get to him if you need to. So it would be though, wouldn't it? What's your price? I don't even know. What Draper? Yeah. 454. Like I thought he was in the three. I reckon you go the other way. So I reckon you play the Trapper. So I've got him round one.
00:43:26
Speaker
And like I said, we want to alleviate the rookie risk. I haven't got your Hunter, so like you're saying, heff, I don't have to trade him out. Yeah, I've got Draper in there. If he fails round one, we can kind of see that's no good. Trade him out. We've got either Flynn or Meek, which everyone pops, hopefully.
00:43:43
Speaker
can chuck them in. I don't think you're going to have to. He'll play for a few rounds after that. Yeah. Like if he's going to get rested, it's going to be probably around five, six and by then he's going to be making you enough coin where you can probably find enough options to upgrade him or yeah, you'll be fine with the Draper, I think. Alrighty. Time for your Ford line, Louis.
00:44:02
Speaker
Yeah, so my forward line's probably something that is really different to a lot of other teams I've been told. No, I'm not gonna lie, to be honest, when I saw it, I was hoping, you know, you've probably had the edge in every single other category so far. I was thinking I might have the edge in the forwards and then I looked at your forwards and I was like, gee, there's a lot of premiums there. There's a lot of premiums there.
00:44:26
Speaker
Ironically enough, I think my forward line is probably my strongest line. That's because there's as much value as there is in defence, which I am chasing. As so many sure things are in the midfield, I think there's a lot of question marks in the forward line. I've decided straight up to go Dangerfield and Dunkley.
00:44:47
Speaker
as my F1 and F2 and the reason for that is because Dangerfield is playing predominantly midfield now, there's no spot for him out forward with Jeremy Cameron and Tom Hawkins. So I think he's going to be predominantly midfield, he's going to be that 110 averaging
00:45:03
Speaker
guy who we've seen in the past as well as Josh Dunkley who he's probably the one where I do have a few concerns but what I saw in the Amy community series is that he was playing an accountable role which I spoke about last week and he was sort of playing paying close attention to Christian Petrarca which I think is a really good sign I think maybe that's the role that Dunkley plays moving forward this season just
00:45:28
Speaker
not being a total tagger, but just applying some attention to some of the better midfielders of the competition. And that equals tackles. They'll say, this is where, and Dunkley's probably, if we had a question like, who's the person you're most afraid to go against, but also the person you're most afraid to own, it'd be Dunkley for me. Because Dunkley's could burn me the other way and average 128, as we've seen, or 129, whatever he's averaged over an entire half of a season, which is just ludicrous numbers.
00:45:57
Speaker
And then he's the guy that could burn you as well and not an average in 80 if he's deployed by Bevo in certain ways. I just don't trust Bevo.
Evaluating Player Performance
00:46:05
Speaker
The thing that stood out to me in the Amy series in what was described by Bont as a full dress rehearsal, CBA numbers were pretty solid. 18 CBA's at a 62% clip, which you can find at keepaligpot.com.au have.
00:46:19
Speaker
He scored very well. His time on ground was the thing that really concerned me at 74% time on ground compared to the other dogs in that midfield. He was the lowest out of the center bounce crew, so he had McCray 83, Bon 85.
00:46:34
Speaker
Dunkley was 74%, even Libba got 83%. So he either got stuck on the bench at some point in the game, or he just is the fourth kind of preferred guy at center bounces. Yeah, Atralaurin, it scares the shit out of me, really.
00:46:50
Speaker
Look, Lipinski did play that game too, and he attended quite a few centre bounces, so I think. Lipinski, you attended zero. Oh, really? So, mate, was it the practice game? Okay. I digress. He scored well, Lipinski, though, so he was laying outside. Did Lipinski play? It was Libba that got the bulk, according to the CBAs here. Libba got 22 CBAs, Dunkley only got 18. Well, compared. Like, that's still a lot. He was fourth in line. I just can't believe Louis fucked up, then, to be honest. Oh, that's his first fuck up.
00:47:16
Speaker
We'll have to check the practice. Dunkley, your opinion, Cam? Good. Been good on Dunkley the entire year. He's freaking scored 95 or whatever in The Rock as an average. He's going to be good. And the big thing probably is Bayley Smith moving out. That's probably the big storyline. He moving to a wing saves McCray and Dunkley in the same way.
00:47:41
Speaker
So, and don't consider Bont locked in the mid. I know he scored like amazing, but yeah, really consider the fact that he has outwardly said that he's going to play forward. And he's so good at forwards. And he's so good. Like, so, so yeah, I wouldn't, I wouldn't be concerned.
00:47:57
Speaker
So, Dossie, we're probably picking Josh Dunkley based off his 112 averaging season. It's easy to remember that in that 112 averaging season, he actually averaged 85 for the first seven rounds. And that's what scares me a little bit. And like I said, don't have any quarrel with anyone starting with him. I'm not, and I'm also scared not starting with him.
00:48:17
Speaker
Just in terms of you're scared to have him, you're scared not to have him. Exactly. Because that second half of the season, 129 average could very well be the first half. And the 80 is the back end. You know, you know who's scarier to start is Bont, though. So there's so many people that are actually starting with Bont after his Amy run. Yeah, well, yeah. And I feel like his ownership went up through the roof. And I feel like last year was a really indicative sign of what we can probably see from Bont in Amy versus
00:48:44
Speaker
actual. Definitely. He went 180 or something ridiculous. Like, you know, he got 140 whatever this time. I'd be suspicious of that. And, and yeah, I feel like someone like Dunkley is the person who's going to eat that up.
00:48:59
Speaker
Yeah, for sure. I just with the bond very quickly. He's owned by 9%. So like I said that that spiked up. His last five average was 118.8 last year. And I think I gave you guys a stats. I think it was from fan footy that shows you the wins, the score, fantasy scoring wins versus losses. If we think the dogs are going to be a far better team this year, which I think a lot of people think they're going to get a fair few more wins. The bond average 17 more fantasy points when they won versus when they lost.
Dissecting Players and Strategies
00:49:27
Speaker
That's, yeah, there's just so many variables in things like that. Like they could have just been playing shit at teams when they beat them. I think Bonton barely scored a 150 versus Adelaide, so it's probably a little bit skewed there as well. I like the number. I know you do. It's your numbers that work in your favour though, so I know this about you. Absolutely. It's got to be the worst thing you can come up with.
00:49:52
Speaker
Unfortunately, Bont and Pelly is such a good player and his impact per possession is so high that unfortunately it doesn't matter what position he plays. It doesn't matter what Bevo decides to do with him. He knows that he's going to get 100% of Bont. So I think that makes his role volatile. We've seen him play forward. We've seen him play midfield.
00:50:12
Speaker
and just oh I don't know just he's the first tag target always I only want to touch McRae from the dogs that's my fault and sorry and Daniel we all want to touch McRae I would love to touch a little bit of McRae
00:50:25
Speaker
Preseason, I was all about Hunter, right? And Hunter for me was like, that's not going to change. Like we're going to, we're going to see Hunter playing the same role that he's played all the time. But actually, you know, McCray that we thought was going to push out to the wing, it feels like maybe that's not going to happen. It really feels like, you know, there's maybe other people that are going to be moved around before him. Yeah. It seems like Smith's going to do his apprenticeship there and as well as Hunter on that other wing, who's that pure wingman. Yeah. Well, he's pushing forward.
00:50:56
Speaker
And just for the folks at home, we are talking about AFL fantasy classic, but Cam still does have draft in his mind. He wouldn't be paying $882,000 for Locky Hunter. I would not. Let's continue. Have we finished Louis? I've got no idea about prices. Have we finished Louis Fordline or was that just your first couple? No, we've only spoken about two players.
00:51:17
Speaker
We got Dagoi who, look, he's someone I'm really keen on, someone who's still quite unique, which surprises me because last year we were hearing the exact same things from Christian Betraca and he entered the, he started around one at about 25% ownership.
00:51:32
Speaker
It's just the one game sample, isn't it? It's the one game sample, but I mean, yes, you look at the one game sample, but how much do you read into the messaging from Collingwood all preseason? He was playing in the midfield, he's training in the midfield, he's looking great in the midfield.
00:51:48
Speaker
He had the one setback which I think was a torn oblique, missed two weeks, straight back into the midfield, plays a practice game in the midfield, goes into the AMU community series and plays 70% midfield. I mean how many signs do you need to pick a bloke at 600k? It was shown that he's capable at scoring 140 as a forward.
00:52:10
Speaker
To pick this point, I just think it's so straightforward. Louis, I want to put a... I'm a little... I'm going to put a situation to you, a little bit of a sitch, right? So we go through round one, right? This goes 100. I've picked Jordan de Goey, it's going to be amazing. My season's off to a flyout. Round two, 110. Amazing. Dominating the competition. Round three, Jordan de Goey goes to jail.
00:52:38
Speaker
I knew that was coming. I was going to say torn calf muscle. What are you doing? Do you get an average score? Because that's 105. I'd be reading the fine print in the rules in the average fantasy.
00:52:59
Speaker
Shit bloke, yes. Can't hack you about that. Alright, we'll finish this off with Tom Phillips. Don't have to talk about Tom Phillips too much. That's fairly straightforward. Goes to jail. Tom Phillips.
00:53:13
Speaker
I love that you've got Phillips as like your F4, which is, everyone usually has them as F2, so that's pretty neat. Well I've seen that one as well, so that's probably where my forward line is super unique compared to a lot of other teams. And then Chad Warner at F5, once again great junior numbers, had a midfield role in the Amy Community Series, just hope he plays, otherwise that's
00:53:35
Speaker
Maybe a swap for James Earl or something like that. And then Miles Bergman at f6, we saw what he did versus North. I think he just gets ahead of Hartlett, round one. That was one of my questions I was asking. You definitely see him starting round one.
00:53:50
Speaker
Look, I think he looked to me at the ground. And it wasn't just against Adelaide. I genuinely, well, it was just against Adelaide. It was just against Adelaide. He looked really good. He passed the eye test. He was actually getting peel that wasn't easy peel. It was like taking contested marks and things like that. Intercept contested marks as well. Like things like that. Just in the right position. I just think he should be in there.
00:54:15
Speaker
My prediction, I want to make a bit cool here. He plays round one over Hartlett. Burton gets injured round one. And he's a lock. Bergman plays the rest of the year. Is Hartlett fit? Hartlett, as of about 24 hours ago, injury list, is still a test. Yeah, that's what I thought. So still no guarantees to play round one as well.
00:54:38
Speaker
I think they'll be conservative. They know what they're going to get from Harlett. Plus we're playing North Melbourne, so. That's it. Exactly. So Bergman goes 80. I like it. I like it. And then rounding out the bench, not actually looking at my team right now. I think it's Ned Cahill and Brockman.
00:54:55
Speaker
So I've got two 180-ish case guys there with pretty solid job security you'd imagine. I flirted the idea that Redmond didn't play in for Essendon in the Amy series. I believe he was injured. I reckon he's just going to take that role. You love Redmond. He's one of your boys. You love Redmond. He's going to take the role. Can we flip back? When did Port play?
00:55:14
Speaker
Sunday or when when do they play? Yep. Yeah, the Sunday. No, I don't think you can have Bergman team. Yeah, that's that's a good call. So it's hard. So with Cahill, if he doesn't play, that'll get a row. My utility is Flynn, obviously, with my rucks. And if that player doesn't play, I do have 60K remaining as well. So to another port player like who do you. So he's up in the forward line. So 60K or it's about 230K.
00:55:43
Speaker
I'd probably look at moving Brayden Campbell into my forward line and selecting a Connor Downey, Charlie Lazaro, Tanner Broome. Oh, you don't have to. Brayden Campbell was Saturday night, surely, but good effort. Stay due. Stay due.
00:56:00
Speaker
Stato Jr. just absolutely dominated this. I'm impressed how quickly you just thought of that. Yeah, we're super quick. Super quick. And my forward six, you don't have to, you don't have to astute me too much for this one, but Jordan de Goey at F1, Tom Phillips F2, Jeremy Cameron, who I was convinced by to get by Louis, and then he's not in your team, Louis. What?
00:56:21
Speaker
No, well I'm super keen on Jeremy Cameron, he's someone who was training with me pre-Christmas. Love it. Look, he's come from the Giants who historically for the last three to four years have been the top scoring fantasy side. Last year the Giants were the eighth highest scoring fantasy side and that comes, Jeremy Cameron was out of form but that coincided with a lot of the Giants scoring.
00:56:43
Speaker
And I reckon back when GWS were good as well, they weren't even getting that many inside 50s. They were just converting at an amazing rate. That was when they had a couple of their great years. If we see Geelong is, I'm guessing, assuming a very high inside 50 team being around the top of the ladder, you're going to get Jezza Cameron sneaking bags of gold this year.
00:57:05
Speaker
not only are they a high inside 50 team I think they're number one or number two for kicks and marks in the competition as well so this is a game style that lends itself to Jeremy Cameron's style of play we've seen when he's been able to average 88 which is a top six forward score he's been pushing up the ground taking eight nine ten marks and kicking three four goals so I think him being at the highest marking team him being at the highest kicking team
00:57:28
Speaker
Him being at the highest goal scoring team just ticked so many boxes at 488K. Why isn't he in your team? Because I like Matt Rau better. And why did you trick Matt Rau to 1-2? I just need to add that. That's a joint ceiling. I'll just say, why not have both? Because I'm about to up this one. That's a joint ceiling.
00:57:48
Speaker
Giant ceiling that he's got round one versus Adelaide. And I'm not sure that he takes the, I'm sure Cam will be able to tell us more about this, but I'm not sure that he takes the main key position defender. I think Tom Hawkins is still a handful. Can I just ask this question for you guys on the basis of my fantasy team and I need some advice. And I think there's probably going to be a few listeners out there thinking the same thing. So I've currently got Jai Caldwell in my side. Jai Caldwell or Jeremy Cameron, who should I pick? And why?
00:58:16
Speaker
Well, so, so what do we talk about in regards to Amy? Right. So Amy, there's only a few things that you can possibly look at. One is role. Like, do you have the actual role to score well through the season? The other one is, um, do you have the opportunity? So is there going to be a lasting opportunity? I saw Jeremy Cameron taking marks on the, like on the bounce mark. Like we, we are, he's getting seriously up the ground to get those connections. And I think there's.
00:58:46
Speaker
I think there's a serious world where he averages over 80. And he's playing the crows round one, which is huge. Yeah. And you know what? I'd actually scale it down. So, yep. So don't expect a 130. I'm expecting a 130. Don't do that. Okay. But John Caldwell, I actually think he averaged 90.
00:59:06
Speaker
So I think season end, you're going to be happier with Jai Caldwell season stuff. Wow, I reckon this is jalong jalong by, anti-jalong by. I reckon that's coming up. It's really not because if you've ever heard me talk before, I prefer jalong players. I've heard you talk before. He's speechless, he's speechless. I was trying to be a sort of Andy Braeshaw type ride.
00:59:31
Speaker
for Jai Koldwell. For Jai Koldwell. Sort of that mid price forward to start the year that doesn't start with a bang but finishes nicely. I actually don't think he'll not start with a bang. I just don't think he'll ever bang. Can I just say... He'll be consistent throughout the year. I agree with you.
00:59:46
Speaker
Yeah, we're like, okay, where is our evidence of Jai call? Well, absolutely. Braining it. There's not. I think the problem is we felt we've got a lack of effort and evidence. We've got him not playing this role ever before. Why do we start with a guy like that? When you're talking about a guy like Jeremy Cameron, who should bag 10 goals against Adelaide.
01:00:03
Speaker
He's under priced either way. He's under priced either way. And he's going to be consistent. So it's one of those people that actually you don't have to focus on the trade. So think about classic, right? You want to make sure that you have two trades that you want to do every single week that make you money. And Jai Caldwell is a guy that is probably going to make you money. You won't have to trade for the first 10 weeks.
01:00:25
Speaker
Right. So he's going to be consistent. He's going to consistently make money. And then in 10 weeks time, you're going to think about investing or doubling down on on him if he's gone well. I feel like he's the downside is so risk averse. Like there is almost no reason why he goes under 80.
01:00:46
Speaker
All right, I've got the counter just quickly and I don't want to the one thing I wouldn't want to do is talk someone out of a giant cold well when that argument is a perfect perfectly fine argument and one reason why I'm actually also considering him the counter is
01:01:00
Speaker
In the AME series, which was our small sample size we got to see Caldwell for Essendon playing in an AFL setting, he was fourth for Senna Bounces, which is good, is a good number. The time on ground factor again, 67%, does that go up? That's my first question. Does the 67% time on ground that he got, does that go up during the season? That's the first question. The second one, Senna Bounces, he attended lots.
01:01:25
Speaker
Andrew McGrath, who was one of their huge attendees last year, and the reason that the Bombers were respectable enough. And he's a future leader of the club. Respectable is an overstatement. He had six center bounces in this game, which was one, two, three, four, five, six, sixth, and I think fifth among mids.
01:01:44
Speaker
Is he not going to still be a primary guy in the midfield for them during the season? Dylan Schill only had 11 and he only played half a game. Is Caldwell going to get those center bounces during the season or are they going to play the guys in there that they know can perform?
01:02:01
Speaker
I know he's going to get lots, but is he going to get that many like third overall for the bonds? Look, Coldwell's got a role in that midfield for sure. The problem is priced at 502K. That's the biggie. What's his ceiling? So in a perfect world, I can probably see Jai Coldwell averaging 90.
01:02:21
Speaker
which would be about 650k. But would you be surprised if he averaged 70 at the same time? Not at all. In fact, I think he's four, is probably about 60. Yeah, that's what I think too. Like it could actually go low. Just because we haven't seen him actually accumulate big numbers ever. Not in juniors, not in his time at GWS. Like usually someone shows signs, like some of the Jackson Haley had a few big games, you know? And I know he probably wasn't playing the same type of role that Calder was, but we saw fantasy potential. We haven't really seen a big game.
01:02:49
Speaker
from Coldwell yet. Exactly. And that's the thing. And that's what we'd need to see. And at his price, if he does go bang round one, round two, round three, and we go, oh shit, we've missed out on Jai Coldwell, we're able to actually go down to him because he probably doesn't have, you know, that crazy ceiling that's going to get away from you too quickly. In your forward line, you can go down to him with all the primos you got.
01:03:11
Speaker
Who do you downgrade on so many options? I'll round out my board line here. Another Essendon player to talk about. Nick Hind, I have in there. 409,000. Patty Dow, of course, had to be in the squad. Disappointing, he's not in your squad there, Louis.
01:03:26
Speaker
And Chad Warner as well to round out the F6 slot that could change as well to someone like a row or hopefully, well, Ken saying not a Bergman because of the late, late game, but he's gone. Kenny's pretty good in the past of naming up. He generally lets you know. Has he named him? No, no, no, no. We're serving a video. We'll hear of it before Sunday.
01:03:50
Speaker
I just want to let you know that we're recording in Adelaide and I'm recording with three Port Adelaide Knuffs.
Humorous Speculation and Conclusion
01:03:58
Speaker
He's a West Coast Knuff mate. Excuse me? That's blasphemy. He's a West Coast Knuff. He's the Knuffiest of all Knuffs. That is so unfortunate. I apologize to any West Coast fans out there. That is so unfortunate. Yeah, I don't know. I just wouldn't risk it.
01:04:11
Speaker
Comes as no surprise as I've got Patty Dowd as well, it does. Oh yeah. Fist bump, the second fist bump. Can't be the only one who hasn't got a fist bump from me yet. I don't need a fist bump. But we've also arrived on, you know, Wednesday night. Wednesday night. Wednesday night. The eve of the league. Right. We are about to start. Teams are out.
01:04:34
Speaker
Paddy Dow on the follow. Ruck Rover. Wow. Cue the music. How do you feel?
01:04:43
Speaker
Like I said, I think at the top of the pot, it's no surprise to me. The Patti Dow truth is, the Patti Dow truth is new all along. This was going to happen. What do you read into it, Dossie? Well, I read into that we kept faith in David Teague as we said we would. And he's come through for us. Are you going to be like the QAnon truth? Is that like when he does stink it up, you still want to keep believing that he's not the greatest? I'm so keen for this. Yes.
01:05:05
Speaker
I can't even answer that question. Yeah, never ask a question that you don't know the answer to is what I say in a podcast world. Can we link to where Dos has Nick Hine quick chat. Why? Why? Okay.
Nick Hine's Role in Essendon
01:05:17
Speaker
So this is where we're talking about, we're paying up, you know, for the guys that are the distributors off half back. Nick Hine was clearly that guy. And I think you're pretty keen on him in draft. Am I correct in saying that? Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. It's a fly out on your bench.
01:05:34
Speaker
I think he... 4 and 9K is too much for me. I legitimately think if he gets that role, he's going to be fantastic and he could be great for classic. But you have to think that Amy, they were testing some things, right? So it's not locked.
01:05:50
Speaker
The big word that I've used in our group chat this week is infrastructure and locked and locked. Yes, I've locked my team a few times, but infrastructure is the big thing for me at Essendon. So in the past three or four years, they've had the exact same game plan and Ben Rutten was there for that. OK, he was there for Wuscher doing that. He was under him taking upon his guidance.
01:06:12
Speaker
He has used, and they've used this game plan every single year. It's why Mason Redmond hasn't broken out, guys, I'm telling you. That's the only reason. They've used a runner, a halfback runner every year. This year, the rules have come in to benefit their game plan, and they have just lost the guy that would have done very well in this game plan in Adam Saad, who averaged very, very nicely last year.
01:06:34
Speaker
That's Nick Hyne this year, okay? He's gonna slot straight into that role. They've got the infrastructure there. They're not gonna quickly change the way they're playing off the back line when that was part of their game that was actually a strength last year. I think Nick Hyne now becomes the guy that they're gonna get it to, get that ball running. We saw him score incredibly well in low time on ground before injuring shoulder. Nick Hyne at 409K, bargain. Big scoop, big scoop.
01:07:01
Speaker
I was talking to Adam Sardis going to score really well this year. I'm a little bit. The difference between Adam Sardis, he's now going to a backline stacked with people that are going to score well as well. And they don't have the infrastructure that they did at Essen. Sorry. No, no, incorrect. They play the exact game plan that is going to be fantastic for this.
01:07:22
Speaker
because they've always had Docherty and Kate Simpson score well and all of a sudden he's going in there as well, right? So he's going into a team where he should theoretically score really well in that role.
Nick Hine's AFL Potential
01:07:33
Speaker
However, the infrastructure is different to make him. Oh my goodness. What's obvious? What's obvious to me is keeping bridges and roads and shit. Dossie, Dossie, can you just say the word infrastructure? No, say the word that I taught you.
01:07:50
Speaker
Oh yeah, I forgot. Moneyball. Moneyball. That's it, they've found a guy that can play his role for Jepa. 409k in fantasy. They've not only lost, they've not only lost Saad, they've lost McKenna. He was awesome last year. Yeah, so... This is what I was about to expand on. So, Hynd and Hemphall have been earmarked for those roles.
01:08:15
Speaker
I'm just, as well as Kay Hill, I just think there's a little bit of confusion around who's gonna play that role. I think Hein plays that role. I think the question marks are over the other two, but...
01:08:27
Speaker
I don't know, I've told you before, I've told you before, Dossi. I think Heinz is a very good VFL player. I don't think he's up to an AFL level. And the other thing was Heinz actually, his score is based on playing at St Kilda where he was not playing his role. So that's the other factor factoring in his poor price. He was playing as a forward at Saints. He's not played this role at this AFL level. Yeah. So if he's never played the role before, that means he's going to be a governor. Which he played at VFL level when averaged over 80. He's a much better player than he was when he was playing the VFL.
01:08:56
Speaker
Trust me, the fact that it's 4 and 9K is just too much for me to take a risk on. How long do you play in the VFL for? Look, I don't have those numbers. Do you know how old he is right now? I get the numbers that I want to use, as he knows. I drafted him, right? So I'm actually, I'm a Nick Heintruther, but the downside is VFL. And so he is, he's 27.
01:09:22
Speaker
going into the season, right? So upside on a 27 year old that hasn't been featured at AFL level is generally pretty minimal.
Audience Questions and Wrap-up
01:09:32
Speaker
All right. We've got a stack of questions to get to. Are we going to be able to get to it? What are we at? We're at 70 minutes in the pod. No, it's smashing. We actually think it means we've got 70 minutes left. Yeah. I want to go to bed at some stage, but, uh, 70 minutes. You guys can stay here this long. I'm going to bed.
01:09:50
Speaker
Nah, let's get through a few. Let's do a few. Pick out some of the better ones. How's that? Alright, alright. We'll do a few. No offense there, man. He doesn't get answered. I better open up the Twitter sphere here. There's a lot of players. Alright, it's not like you put him in your shirt beforehand and actually, you know, do a bit of research. Well, somebody wants to talk about Brad Hill. I think we covered that off very, very nicely. Lock him in. I just saw a picture of me that Cam posted. Okay, Taylor Adams in Houston. Who wants to take that? Taylor Adams, Cam?
01:10:16
Speaker
Yeah, Taylor Adams burnt me a couple of years ago. This is fantasy classic. And actually you can't start. I feel like you can't start them in either. Neither. Yeah. Move on. All right. Dan Houston. Louis, you're the port man or you are too hefty. Talk about observable thirst. Yeah. Dan Houston loves the footy in his hands. So I think he might be someone
01:10:39
Speaker
Uh, that I don't have the balls to pick in my starting squad, but I think he might be someone who surprises you in that defensive mix. And if that role continues and the evidence was there in the preseason game, if it does come to fruition too, I think he scored a 150 plus. So Dan Houston burnt a lot of people last year.
01:10:56
Speaker
I mean if the game, the style of play we're seeing with new rules
Analyzing Jayden Short
01:11:00
Speaker
continues. I'm all about it. He's the Caleb Daniel of ports. Yeah, I looked at him in some of my thousand renditions of my team. Houston did make a guest appearance. If we're honest, everyone's made an appearance in your team. It's the same as everyone picking short after that Thursday night game. Houston's another one of those.
01:11:21
Speaker
There's better options at his price. He is a guy that averaged, I think if you look at his late season average though, Houston was one that maintained an average over a significant. He was consistent. Houston won my fantasy membership. I think it was similar to Stewart over the last five. No one here picked short.
01:11:39
Speaker
No, sorry, I'm thinking like, no, sorry, everyone on social media or like, you looked at Short's ownership spike after that big game. Yeah, but no one here picked Short. No, no, but I'm just saying, he's one of those players that you look at in, in... Oh, so you're saying that as a point like...
01:11:52
Speaker
We, someone jumped on there. Yeah. Well, there you go. Yeah. So Jayden short, obviously scored the sort of one 69 in the community series, which was massive, but he's never scored over 110 more than twice in his fantasy career. One of those was a grand final last year. So he's never actually demonstrated a ceiling in, in the real stuff. Yes. There's no hoolie now.
01:12:17
Speaker
But historically, he's been an 80 to 90 type guy with him in the side. I just think that yes, the man on the mark rule may advantage him, but I think there's better, safer options. And Jaden Short, who have been closer to being a top six defender in the past than what he has been.
01:12:37
Speaker
At the price, I think there's no pot, no better pod. 700K. Yep, exactly. I genuinely think he's a pod. You think he's owned by a stack. You find 60K and you've got lead. I guess everyone's got lead though. Exactly. The problem is, is that with picking these players, Jaden Short, yes, he might pop the first six rounds. So he might go 120 with his new man on the mark rules, but I spoke about it.
01:13:02
Speaker
at the top of this podcast. Coaches are going to, they're going to turn the key. They're going to lock up these players and tag them as soon as possible. He is going to be one of the first people they go to. And from that point on, he's probably not going to be a top six defender. And at that point he's not a keeper and you're paying 700 K to start him in your side. That's just tough.
01:13:22
Speaker
That's probably, probably the best advice you're going to get on any podcast. I think for, especially for free, like the fact that people are going to tighten the screws and change strategy. Like Louie, you're on the mark. You come at stage you, you will get wrecked. And Cam, he's a nice, Jane Schultz is a nice pod though, folks at 23% ownership. Wow. 23%. Wow.
01:13:45
Speaker
Yeah, that, uh, that high up Jamie has busted up his ownership
Rufus Markov's Fantasy Value
01:13:49
Speaker
there. Um, shenanigans wants to know Markov, please. And he also second part of the question and do I ditch Grundy or gone for wits so I can upgrade to decent Rooks. Somebody else take on Markov. You go Markov and then Cam. Have we talked about Markov enough already tonight?
01:14:05
Speaker
But he's in both of your sides. Yeah, Markov played the halfback wrong, was recruited to play halfback, took 9 marks in the AMP community series, 370k worth taking a punt off. Can I do the Grundy to wits thing? Whatever it was, was it gone to wits? Which one was it? Yeah, it was, do I trade Grundy? Hang on a sec, do I trade...
01:14:22
Speaker
Grundy or gone for wits so I can upgrade to decent rookies. You, you won't find a coach that doesn't have one of, no, I'm good. Thanks, Kammy signaling. Do I want another beer? No, sorry. I couldn't talk and respond in a way without actually speaking out loud. Um, I think you find every coach has one of Grundy or gone, won't they? So like, if you don't have one of them, like I think the better option would be go Grundy and wits and then kind of having that advantage over other people in your rucks. I think,
01:14:49
Speaker
That's what he's saying. I think he's got Grundy and Gorn. Sorry, he's got Grundy there, yeah. Do I ditch one of them for wits so he can upgrade to decent
Grundy and Wits Strategy
01:14:56
Speaker
rookies? Is it worth upgrading the rookies? Yes. No, no, I think if you're going to have Grundy and wits, I think that's probably, I reckon that's probably the best option that isn't Grundy and Gorn. And you're saying hold Grundy because of Gorn's inflated price and we've just heard in today's news, was it, that he might play a whole lot of forward as well? Correct. And I just cannot seem maintaining that price. I'm definitely seeing a top two ruckman, so it doesn't really matter.
01:15:20
Speaker
If you've got him in there, he's going to be there at the end of your season. If you've got him there, you're probably going to have an advantage over people at some stage. But I think you're going to be able to get in cheaper at some stage if that news does come to fruition as well. So I really like the Grundy and Wits option because you've got Grundy who I think probably has a better or he's not going to be starting a forward. There's no chance of that really happening.
01:15:39
Speaker
and he's got any real competition for his role in his side, obviously. So he'll be scoring the same as he usually does. But then I think if you go wits, he's definitely under priced and can produce a lot more. Plus there is no other rutman in Gold Coast side at all the moment. So they just need him to, they'll look after him. They'll need him to stay fit and he will score. He'll just rise in price. And I think you could, there'll be a stage in the season where it won't cost you a lot to go from wits to gold. That's just what I'm thinking.
01:16:04
Speaker
MillerTime, timemiller asks sarong cam you got any takes on sarong and his price in fantasy classic is six hundred and thirty six thousand priced around eighty two that feels a bit steep oh yeah you don't think you can go more than 82 this year
01:16:20
Speaker
Yeah, I actually feel like, you know, he's going to probably average around 95 and so he's probably going to get there over the season, therefore it's not steep. Over the season, right? So as far as cash options go, that's really, you know, not a good one. Plus 13 points. Is that enough, Louis, for us to start with? Yeah, it's enough in your starting side.
01:16:44
Speaker
Caleb Sorong is a funny one because he didn't play the Ava Community Series, obviously rested. We didn't get to see him in that midfield dynamic. We saw Fife play a lot of midfield time in the practice game alongside Sorong. I really like him as a starting option. I just think that to pay up for him at his price, you genuinely have to believe that he can be your M8.
01:17:06
Speaker
Yep. I actually completely disagree. So, so I, I can't, I can't think of a world where, you know, seven to 10 points is value in the midfield when you could have other options.
Disagreement on Caleb Sorong's Value
01:17:21
Speaker
Like I really don't see it. Yeah. That's, that's what I'm saying. So he'd have to be a keeper. Otherwise I'm not sure he has, he has to be at 800 plus midfielder. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yeah. Okay. So you agree with me? Probably.
01:17:34
Speaker
I just got your beer. You need to go easy. Yeah. Just that intense stare was like, oh, this guy's fucking with me. All right. We're going to go. We're going to go quick fire here. Anthony L. L. says Matt Rau versus Rory Sloan. Rau. All right. Odin York would want to know, would love to know if we should plan to get Zilliams in after round one and your thoughts on Ollie Wines?
01:17:58
Speaker
Watch how Zach Williams goes after round two, I think. So give him a week. Yeah, I think you've got to watch him now. And Ollie Wines is a very good contested footballer. I'm not sure he's got the fantasy game in him yet. All right. And the final one here, we've got so many, so we couldn't get to all of them, but we better wrap it up. Sam wants to know, Sam Mutton wants to know your thoughts.
Dom Tyson as a Fantasy Pick
01:18:22
Speaker
Cam, luckily we've got you here.
01:18:25
Speaker
400k around that mark, Dom Tyson. So keen. He's in my starting team and that's why you shouldn't start it. Okay, that's fair advice for I think right there. All right, and I think we'll wrap it up there because I think I hear your son in the background there crying. Yeah, he do. He's waking up, so yeah, I think it's time to wrap it up.
Episode Wrap-Up and Promotions
01:18:45
Speaker
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Speaker
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