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Am I a Christian just to Be Happy? | Episode 43
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In this episode Danny and Shane discuss the problem of humanistic happiness motivating our walk with God, Communion, and Jesus's Death on the Cross.
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Intro
Introduction and Easter Reflections
00:00:32
Danny Price
hey everyone. Welcome to Table Talk Discussions podcast. This is episode 43 for us. This is post-Easter. I'm recording a little late, just a busy week for everyone.
00:00:43
Danny Price
I'm actually down in St. George right now. so But wanted to talk quickly about Easter, which was awesome at Mountain View. Shane, what were the where the highlights?
00:00:50
Shane
Yeah.
00:00:51
Danny Price
Talk about Easter. what What did you think?
00:00:55
Shane
um It, you know, it was just an awesome morning. um I, whenever you do some, a big event like that and with special elements and then moving it to a different location, you know, it's always a little stressful.
00:01:10
Shane
Yeah. and especially the moving it to a different location, there's like a thousand things that can go wrong. Um, you know, everything from forgetting stuff to, you know, the sound issues to, you know, all
00:01:16
Danny Price
Yeah.
Community Growth and Future Plans
00:01:22
Shane
this, whatever.
00:01:23
Shane
But, um, and it really, truly, you know, I mean, I think, you know, we talked a little bit about on Sunday afterwards, it, it was truly one of the smoothest, um,
00:01:34
Danny Price
m
00:01:35
Danny Price
yeah
00:01:35
Shane
services, events, anything that we've put on, I felt like as as a church.
00:01:40
Shane
So that was just awesome. And then, um you know, I felt the team did an awesome job. that um All the volunteers were um just great.
00:01:51
Shane
Everybody was just really great it it um in every way.
00:01:55
Danny Price
yeah yeah
00:01:55
Shane
But then, you know, it just... Kind of a surreal thing to have over a thousand people there in Hebrew Valley worshiping, you know, i mean, I know this is kind of a weird thing, but when you think about it, I mean, like there's a valley of 20,000, right?
00:02:11
Shane
so that's worship.
00:02:12
Danny Price
yeah
00:02:13
Shane
five percent of our of our valley um, worshiping Jesus in one spot, you know, on, on a Sunday morning, you know? Um, and when, when we think back to when we moved here to, to Heber, there were two little churches that probably, you know, when I visited them, you've added them all up between both of them. You were talking maybe 75 people, um, that were attending.
00:02:45
Shane
And then...
00:02:45
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:02:49
Shane
you know And then us starting with a handful of 20. you know and to see So now to say, hey, there were over 1,000 people in Hebrew worshiping Jesus on Sunday.
00:02:59
Shane
And that's just our congregation. Because there's actually been one, two, there's been three other minimum, three, maybe four other churches even started in Hebrew. So you know just to think, it's just I don't know, that's just a pretty exciting thing to see.
00:03:14
Shane
So very surreal in that way.
00:03:14
Danny Price
Yeah, that's cool. That's so cool.
00:03:18
Shane
Yeah.
00:03:19
Danny Price
Yeah, googled i googled that right when you said that. I was like, is it only 20,000? And it is in Hebrew City. I guess the greater area, if you can count like Walsberg and everything, it goes up a little bit higher.
00:03:26
Shane
Yeah. We probably have a draw area of like 25,000. Yeah.
00:03:29
Danny Price
But still, that's still crazy.
00:03:29
Shane
Yeah. yeah yeah Yeah.
00:03:31
Danny Price
I didn't even realize that.
00:03:33
Shane
That it's pretty, it's pretty, you know um yeah, no, we kind of joke, you know, that, you know, by any other, stand any other, like if you were in a populated area and you had 5% of the,
00:03:46
Danny Price
like a megachurch.
00:03:46
Shane
of the, that said you'd be a, be a pagan church. So, um, yeah.
00:03:51
Danny Price
If you go to Mountain View, you definitely don't get the megachurch vibe at all, which is so funny.
00:03:52
Shane
So, No, if we're not in
Event Success and Acknowledgments
00:03:55
Shane
any way a megachurch, but it's just kind of, yeah.
00:03:55
Danny Price
No, not at all. Yeah.
00:03:58
Shane
um So, yeah, so just super exciting. And I thought the worship team just, I mean, I just was so excited about how well they did.
00:04:07
Danny Price
yeah
00:04:07
Shane
And just, you know, your your you and Patrick, your team, not just you guys, but everybody on that team just, like, it sounded great. There were no glitches I knew could see or, you know.
00:04:18
Danny Price
No.
00:04:19
Shane
um So, anyway, just a great Sunday all the way around.
00:04:23
Danny Price
it was It was awesome. Yeah, from I mean, I got to see it all from the production you know standpoint. i it Not like it was a production like like that, but just from like the program the programming side.
00:04:32
Shane
Yeah, I know what you mean. Yeah. Yeah.
00:04:35
Danny Price
But it was it was really it was really smooth.
00:04:35
Shane
yeah the
00:04:37
Danny Price
I was surprised because Nine times out of ten when you do stuff like that, it's like there's always something that goes wrong, like you said.
00:04:44
Shane
yeah
00:04:44
Danny Price
and it's just And even if it's not like a big disruptive thing, there's always like, oh, we forgot to bring that cable, and so we're going to have to scrap that or whatever it is. And we had everything. i know Sarah and Patrick like spent so much time planning. like Patrick especially, like he was – just He did so much like excessive like redundancy planning just in case stuff went wrong.
00:05:03
Danny Price
It was like oh just just like just in case.
00:05:03
Shane
Yeah.
00:05:03
Shane
Yeah. see
00:05:05
Danny Price
And a lot of it was unnecessary, but like looking back, it's like, well, at least we had that just in case. like We had extra speakers in case the speakers went out. We had extra this in case this went out. it was it was all It was just a lot, but lot of stuff to move over.
00:05:16
Shane
Yeah. And I, I felt bad for Patrick because, um, you know, I would say definitely doing it in that location. The person that was the most work for was Patrick.
00:05:27
Shane
Um, now I kind of didn't feel bad for him because he was also one of the first ones to push for moving it.
00:05:28
Danny Price
Probably. Yeah.
00:05:32
Shane
Um, so, but it was, it was, you know, I think just because of the gear aspects, it was definitely the most work for him.
00:05:33
Danny Price
yeah
00:05:40
Shane
Um, and you know, we all finish about one 30 or whatever. And, um, And i don't know how it worked out because how did you get a ride home from the church?
00:05:52
Danny Price
So I went over, well, I didn't go back with them.
00:05:55
Shane
Oh, Dustin, Dustin gave you a ride.
00:05:55
Danny Price
because i was and And then I went over with Xana to help unload some kids' stuff, because they had some like random kids' stuff. And then Dustin was there helping Patrick.
00:06:00
Shane
Okay. The kid stuff.
00:06:02
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:06:02
Shane
Well, Patrick went to unload just to take over the sound stuff. He went back over to the actual church. Well, the Hispanic ministry was having their service at four, but because we had unhooked the Wi-Fi, they needed the Wi-Fi and they happened to they happen to be there.
00:06:09
Danny Price
Uh-huh.
00:06:16
Danny Price
Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
00:06:20
Shane
So poor Patrick was helping them with stuff until he didn't leave the church until four.
00:06:26
Danny Price
Oh my goodness, Patrick.
00:06:26
Shane
um yeah And he, um um so Tuesday, when we gave everyone Monday off and Tuesday, but um Tuesday morning, Patrick was still, you could just tell he was, he was a little bit zombie, ah zombified and he, ah and he still had everything to put, put away.
00:06:27
Danny Price
That's so funny.
00:06:41
Danny Price
Just drain.
00:06:44
Shane
So he's, he's still got another busy week.
00:06:45
Danny Price
I know.
00:06:46
Shane
Yeah.
00:06:46
Danny Price
I know. I texted him. he's He said that like the sound booth is the cleanest it's ever been just because we had to take literally everything out and then he got to put it all back just how he wanted it.
00:06:52
Shane
Yeah, yeah. So I'm sure he's using it. I'm sure he's using it to spring clean it little bit.
00:06:57
Danny Price
No, it's clean now. Yeah, it's it's great. Anyways, so yeah, so Easter was great. I thought, you know, just for me, I've never, I mean, I've been to some bigger churches. But for me, I think that might have been the biggest church service I've ever been to.
00:07:10
Danny Price
I think about it.
00:07:10
Shane
Oh, wow.
00:07:11
Danny Price
I've been to passion Passion City in Atlanta, and they have, you know, it's pretty big there, but it wasn't quite as, but that's Louis Giglio's church.
00:07:11
Shane
Yeah, that's crazy.
00:07:19
Danny Price
And then where else have I been that's huge? I mean, I've been to some bigger churches like around Utah. I guess K2 was pretty big at one point, and I went to a service there.
00:07:27
Shane
Yeah, but even then, I don't think the worship, I think the worship center sat like 700. So.
00:07:32
Danny Price
Yeah. No, this that was quite literal. So for me, that was the biggest church service I've ever been to, which is cool. So go.
00:07:37
Shane
Yeah, no, that that that that is cool. I've never thought about that. Yeah.
00:07:40
Danny Price
Yeah. I mean, i've been to conferences, but that doesn't really count.
00:07:41
Shane
Yeah. i but
00:07:42
Danny Price
It's different than like a church body.
00:07:43
Shane
Yeah.
00:07:44
Danny Price
and Everyone there all, you know, for the most part, I mean, I know we have visitors, but that's like the body of Mountain View. It wasn't like, this was like a conglomerate of different churches or whatever.
00:07:50
Shane
Mm-hmm.
00:07:53
Danny Price
So pretty cool.
00:07:53
Shane
Yeah, no, that's that's really cool. I never thought about that. i you know I probably have only maybe six or seven times in my life, just because of being in California, i'm been to that.
00:07:56
Danny Price
That's cool.
00:08:03
Danny Price
Yeah, right.
00:08:03
Shane
so
00:08:05
Danny Price
Well, cool.
00:08:05
Danny Price
um Just a few questions this week. Oh, go ahead.
00:08:05
Shane
Anyway.
00:08:08
Shane
Hey, real quick, real quick before you get into that. My only regret was other than you, everyone in our family had to miss the service because they had to do children's ministry.
00:08:14
Danny Price
Yes.
00:08:19
Shane
And so first of all, i want to make sure I thank them because that was awesome that they did that.
00:08:19
Danny Price
I know. Yeah.
00:08:24
Shane
um But I also felt a little bad because, you know, I mean, as as much as I've worked to do this, you guys as a family, i couldn't work to do this if it weren't for the support of the family as well.
00:08:37
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:08:39
Shane
So kind of was bummed that none of, none of them got to experience it. So
00:08:44
Danny Price
No, I know. I think next year you're thinking and maybe two instead because we're going to probably push the numbers more. So two services, right?
00:08:52
Shane
yeah, we'll probably just do two that way we, and if we have to curtain off part of the, you know, auditorium or something.
00:08:57
Danny Price
Yeah, if it's not 100%, it's not full. I doubt that will it'll be full, but still.
00:08:59
Shane
Yeah.
00:09:01
Danny Price
But yeah, cool. Well, yeah, no, that was definitely a huge sacrifice because I know a lot of the, especially kids, I mean, you know, it's it's tough back there. It's loud and crazy.
00:09:11
Danny Price
And you're like, man, I wish.
00:09:11
Shane
yeah
00:09:11
Shane
Yeah.
00:09:13
Danny Price
Yeah, anyways, so good for them. Thanks for, and again, Hannah doing a lot of that. And i know she was really excited about the kids, but also bummed. She walked in for like a little bit and she was like, it was so cool just to walk in for like five minutes and just like see everything and worship.
00:09:26
Danny Price
for a little bit and then run back.
00:09:27
Shane
Yeah.
00:09:27
Danny Price
So so she but she caught a little bit.
00:09:28
Shane
yeah Yeah. And all the children's workers. So thanks to all the kids workers. and So.
00:09:32
Danny Price
Yeah. Yeah. Big thanks.
Exploring Humanism and Salvation
00:09:34
Danny Price
um So a few questions. We're not going to spend as much time as we normally do. We just have a few questions that people have sent in. So none of these are from me. The first is from Zach.
00:09:44
Danny Price
um And I'm going to read this question verbatim for the first part, but then I'm going pause because he has a bunch of like sub questions below this. So this is what this is what he says.
00:09:54
Danny Price
I've heard humanism defined as, and quotes, the chief end of all being is the happiness of man. Humanism, and then that's the end of the quote. Humanism can either serve man's ends in this present life through prosperity, pleasure, et cetera, or conserve the ends of man by promising a satisfying experience in an age to come.
00:10:04
Shane
Thank you.
00:10:10
Danny Price
Is the appeal to follow Jesus in order that I can be fully alive on message of humanism? And then there's a bunch of questions below that, but it all kind of points to why would someone want to follow Jesus? Is there any kind of like natural, like authentic response or is it always just whatever is in my best interest? I guess that's kind of like what it boils down to.
00:10:32
Danny Price
I might read a couple more of these or exchange if you want to tackle some of these like sub questions. You want to talk about that for a little bit?
00:10:38
Shane
Yeah. um So, I mean, the short answer is we, we shouldn't follow Jesus just to make our life better. um You know, um so I, yeah and it's funny because, you know, did that question did make me kind of go through and evaluate the sermon a little bit.
00:10:48
Danny Price
Yeah. Hmm.
00:10:57
Shane
um So good job on that because that's always a um something that, you know, we should always be doing. um And in going back, I would say that, you know, it's probably and probably based on time, because I knew i only had 20 something minutes instead of my normally where I would take like 35. But we did not get into the the true answer is of of salvation is.
00:11:28
Shane
we are dead in our sin. We are not alive.
00:11:31
Danny Price
know Right, right.
00:11:32
Shane
You know, um, that, that our spirit is, is dead until we give our life to Christ.
00:11:33
Danny Price
Right.
00:11:37
Shane
So, um, so really it comes down to this, like we don't actually experience life in any way, shape or form the way we're, we're meant to because of our sin that separates us from God and our spirit is dead without him.
00:11:54
Shane
So, So, you know, so yes, i mean, definitely, I mean, no the definitely the answer would be that we we shouldn't be turning to Jesus just so, you know, to to kind of make it quick, a quicker way of saying it, you know, so we can have our best life now.
00:12:11
Shane
Um, that, that, that is a means to an end, I would say. I mean, it, it's one of the benefits. That's one of the benefits. I feel like it does lead to it, but, but definitely not in like, oh, you're going to be happier or in, but even humanism, that's kind of a simplified way of talking about humanism.
00:12:20
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:12:30
Shane
Like I know humanists that would say, well, no, my goal isn't just to be happy, but by doing these things, we live more fulfilled lives.
00:12:35
Danny Price
Sure.
00:12:38
Shane
So.
00:12:39
Danny Price
Sure.
00:12:39
Shane
but
00:12:39
Danny Price
Sure. And I would add to the the the point of like Like you said, just like hammer that home or like double click on that. of like it's ah It's a byproduct.
00:12:49
Danny Price
your Your happiness and your joy is a byproduct of following in Jesus. But if it's if it's your main reason, you're there's going to be moments where you're not happy by following Jesus because it's going to bring about earthly suffering.
00:12:58
Shane
Yeah.
00:13:00
Danny Price
Now, you could make this point that he kind of alluded to of, like well, at least it's in the age to come. um But still, I mean, you we have like a guarantee of that through the Bible and through the Holy Spirit. But still, I think for a lot of people, that's hard to like focus. Like we talked about that last week. Like eternity is hard to wrap your mind around and focus on. So for a lot of people, if something makes you start starts making you so unhappy and so miserable here on earth, a lot of times it's easier just to give that up and find something that makes you happier.
00:13:26
Danny Price
But then the other point of that too would be like Jesus is Lord, whether we whether you want him to be or not. And so like your're yourre you're giving your life to him and you're serving him as Lord out of you know and out of obedience and you you continue to follow him out of obedience.
00:13:42
Danny Price
And again, just like a parent with a kid, like when Sam's, you know, my my kid, when he's,
00:13:42
Shane
Thank you.
00:13:47
Danny Price
When he obeys me and he walks in walks in my will and listens and is respectful, I mean, there's blessings that follow after him because of that. Now, again, I'm going to bless him regardless to a certain degree. But when he's walking with me and is like, hey, you're my dad and I'm listening to you. Again, he doesn't say this because he's three. But when he has an attitude of like, hey, you're my dad. I'm listening to you and I'm doing what you say.
00:14:09
Danny Price
I'm the blessings tend to come even, even more because I'm like, well, yeah, perfect.
00:14:13
Shane
Yep.
00:14:14
Danny Price
You're, you're operating underneath my, underneath my authority and you're operating in like this right standing. And the same thing with, with God and with Jesus. I think when you're like submitting to him as Lord, I'm not saying you're going to have all these blessings and benefits earthly, but you're walking in the right order, the right way that you're supposed to.
00:14:30
Danny Price
And because of that, you're acknowledging him as Lord. It's not just like, just because you it makes me, it makes you happy. It's like, actually, this is out of obedience. Yeah. And my happiness is bound up in following you, I guess, is a little bit of a different way to say that.
00:14:44
Danny Price
So i don't know.
00:14:44
Shane
yeah Yeah, absolutely.
00:14:44
Danny Price
You want to add anything to that?
00:14:46
Shane
Yeah. i Well, I kind of, I was thinking about, I was thinking of an analogy of like, we've all built Ikea furniture, probably most of us at least have.
00:14:55
Danny Price
no unfortunately.
00:14:56
Shane
And, um yeah you know, and i was thinking about like, okay, if you went and bought a Ikea kit for a table, but you didn't know it was a table, you thought it was a cabinet.
00:15:12
Shane
Yeah. And you're you're built you're trying to build a cabinet, and you can only use the IKEA kit for the table, and you're trying to build a cabinet.
00:15:12
Danny Price
Mm-hmm.
00:15:17
Danny Price
Mm-hmm.
00:15:20
Shane
I feel like that's... Life without Christ is like... You're trying to build this cabinet out of a table, and and and you just...
00:15:32
Shane
you You can do it. You could probably take that kit and and, you know, you might have to cut some stuff and you'd have to jimmy rig some stuff and screw put screws in where not meant to.
00:15:40
Danny Price
okay
00:15:42
Shane
and But it's going to ah yeah it's gonna be a a state of constant frustration because you're you're not doing what that that it was meant to be.
00:15:44
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:15:49
Danny Price
yeah
00:15:52
Shane
And so whenever we're living our life outside of Christ, even, you know, if we want to even seek to live humanistic, with a humanistic philosophy or whatever, when you're living outside of Christ, you're going to hit all these frustration points and you almost don't know why you're like, why am, why is this not working?
00:16:09
Shane
Why, you know, why, why does this not happen? Why is the world not fixed? Why am I not having, you know, why don't have all the answers to this?
00:16:15
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:16:17
Shane
Why can't I solve this? But once you submit to Christ, then it's like, you're, you're actually building the life that is meant to be built that the author wrote for you to, to live.
00:16:27
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:16:29
Shane
So, so now,
00:16:29
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:16:33
Shane
even And there again, you know, even when you're putting IKEA furniture together and you have the directions, it can still be frustrating.
00:16:39
Danny Price
yeah There you go.
00:16:40
Shane
it It still cannot work exactly right. right but but But at least you you know that the author, and this is what the author intended.
00:16:50
Shane
And I know, I mean, obviously the analogy falls apart, right?
00:16:51
Danny Price
Right.
00:16:53
Shane
It's it's not, a but it just, it came to my head of just that.
00:16:54
Danny Price
No, it does, yeah.
00:16:58
Shane
what i was trying I think what I was trying to help us see in the sermon was, as long as we're looking for this fulfillment in these other things, we're going to keep coming up empty because we're we're not we're not submitting to the author.
00:17:16
Shane
And, you know, um so obviously there again, we didn't talk about the sin.
00:17:16
Danny Price
Right.
00:17:20
Shane
The the real reason we give give our life to Jesus is he forgives us of our sins and and he he makes the way for us to have a relationship with the
Living with Purpose and Joy
00:17:29
Shane
Lord. with with god So that's that's the reason.
00:17:30
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:17:33
Shane
um But the sermon was definitely more hitting on look, you are going to come up frustrated every time when you don't submit to who Jesus is. So like that whole theme of alive, what I was trying to focus on was,
00:17:49
Shane
Jesus is alive, so therefore, it puts we all have to if you believe that Jesus is alive, then then you have to face the question, what and why would I not submit to him? you know Why would I not call him Lord? who you know And that's what he calls us to. So that's kind of where the sermon was going, but we did kind of miss that point of of why we need that, like what what that really means. So...
00:18:16
Danny Price
Yeah, no that's that's um yeah that's and that's that's that's tough to try to, again, it's the gospel message. it's It's tough to try to break it down in so many ways. because you you know And you do that with a sermon of like, you you're trying to explain it one way, and then you kind of shift to a different analogy, and you're you're running through this.
00:18:31
Danny Price
And it's hard to get everything, like, again, in 20, 25 minutes, like hammer everything out, fully expound on each point, which again,
00:18:39
Shane
Yeah, and you kind of have to know your audience. And, you know, I mean, i look at, in Heber, chances are, you know, I hate i always get in trouble for same percentages, but, you know, chances are about 80%, 90% of that the people there that especially they are visiting, they are people that they did at some level get, know,
00:18:53
Danny Price
Right.
00:19:09
Shane
that the the Bible teaches about the separation of man from God because of sin. So, you know, I might, you know, so at some level you kind of have to go, okay, this is probably who I'm preaching to.
00:19:16
Danny Price
right
00:19:22
Shane
going to, I'm going to start from this premise, but you know, other rooms, you got to start from a totally different premise, you know?
00:19:28
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:19:28
Shane
So it it always depends. So.
00:19:31
Danny Price
And that's the hard thing too, is people coming to Easter. And I think that's where you kind of went with the the sermon is like a lot of people. And I think people even that go to Mountain View somewhat regularly would say like, Jesus is a part of my life or God is a part, like following him as a part of my life. But again, it's not like, it's not, it's like if someone were to like audit my life, it wasn't, it wouldn't be the primary focus or it wouldn't even be like,
00:19:52
Danny Price
in the top three maybe, but it's a little thing I sprinkle in. and that's where a lot of people are coming.
00:19:56
Shane
Yeah.
00:19:57
Danny Price
and Oh, I love church. Yeah, I go to church every once in a while. And i I'll go to Easter service and go be part, you know, and go, you know.
00:20:00
Shane
Yeah. Get my God shot.
00:20:04
Danny Price
Yeah, exactly. And then I think you kind of like we're trying to come across that and go, hey, hold on. Like, if your life isn't aligned with God, then something's not right.
00:20:11
Shane
Yeah.
00:20:14
Danny Price
So yeah. so
00:20:16
Shane
Yeah, no, that's a great point. That actually is exactly where I was trying to hit is that person that they already, they already know it, but they're still just trying to make it just a piece of what they do.
00:20:25
Danny Price
Right, right.
00:20:26
Danny Price
Which again, you know, and to go back to Zach's question, I mean, Jesus offering, um, Jesus, sorry, Sam's walking in on, Hey bud, go on, go on.
00:20:26
Shane
So,
00:20:31
Shane
Thank you.
00:20:37
Danny Price
Um, but Jesus offering, his way and like and like dying and dying for our sins and being resurrected and you know offering us this co-heirship for all eternity with him is not a ploy to get us to be as happy as possible. it's like Again, it's like it goes back to like this created order. i mean he's Jesus God is the creator and this is like this is the right way. And I think it reminds me of that verse, like my yoke is easy, my burden is light.
00:21:09
Danny Price
implying that there is this element of like servitude and like lordship. And again, like coming back to that of like, you're, you're not just saying yes to God and yes to Jesus because you're like, yeah, this, this suits me.
00:21:21
Danny Price
This seems like the best option for now, because I think there's so many other better options if you're really just looking at your earthly, earthly life.
00:21:27
Shane
Yeah.
00:21:28
Danny Price
And then again, you want to play this, this game, you can go, well, I'll just give my life to Jesus on my deathbed. And I'll just live however I want.
00:21:34
Shane
Yeah.
00:21:35
Danny Price
And that'll be I'll be my most happy here. And then I'll live however I want in eternity because I'll say yes to Jesus. And like it just doesn't work that way. I mean, you can make an argument about deathbed confessions and say if they're you know authentic, then yes, of course you're going to.
00:21:48
Danny Price
But you're not – you planning that out and trying to like work your way to be as happy as possible in every situation is just such an enemy of – again, an enemy of lordship, and an enemy of, I think, true joy and true happiness, which, again, doesn't always lie in the circumstances.
00:22:01
Shane
Yeah.
00:22:02
Danny Price
so
00:22:04
Shane
Yeah. And you're playing with God, you know, and that's a, that's a very dangerous, you know, like, like the idea that God doesn't know that that's what you're, I'm like, do you get who God is?
00:22:06
Danny Price
Oh, yeah. It's very, yeah.
00:22:14
Shane
If that's what you're doing, like, it doesn't make sense.
00:22:15
Danny Price
Yeah. we're not You're not as smart as you think you are compared God.
00:22:18
Shane
Yeah. Yeah.
Theological Insights on Jesus' Death and Resurrection
00:22:20
Danny Price
Anyways, um next question, and this is from Carl. um hes He was just saying this may be something that people talk about. It wasn't his question, but he was just kind of referencing last week when we said we didn't know we't have any questions for Easter.
00:22:32
Danny Price
But he was saying, how can God die? And like kind of the questions surrounding that are, you know, what did he do by giving up his spirit? did Did the God, the father turn away? Are we too, we misunderstanding that when we, when we so read that or we say that?
00:22:46
Danny Price
And then he was just saying, just kind of, you know, hopefully this like sparks some dialogue between us, you know, because Easter again is all about, you know, Jesus resurrecting, which kind of implies that Jesus was dead, but then can God die?
00:22:56
Danny Price
Which is, you know, that's a tough question. I don't know if you have a whole lot of answers on that. If you just want to talk about that for a bit.
00:23:02
Shane
Yeah, I mean, You know, Jesus is fully human and fully God. um So fully physical and fully spirit, really, in some ways is what what you would even look at that in some ways.
00:23:12
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:23:13
Shane
And so, you know, on the cross, he he died a physical death. His human body was truly dead. There was no life left in his human body.
00:23:25
Shane
Yeah. And yet his spirit did not die. his, yeah the, his godness, if you will, that did not die.
00:23:37
Shane
Um, in fact, in, um, Luke 23 verse 46, he says, right as he's dying, father into your hands, I come commit my spirit. Um, you know, the idea that he went, he moved on to continue existing as he always had, um, back with the father.
00:23:45
Danny Price
Um,
00:23:55
Shane
Um, and, um yeah so his human nature died but his divine nature you know cannot die i think is what we'd have to the way to see that and say that um i i'm now i'm forgetting was there more to that question at that part because i know there's multiple parts to this question but
00:24:15
Danny Price
Kind of like, did did did God the Father turn away and, like, did he turn his back?
00:24:18
Shane
Okay. Did he turn his back on him? um
00:24:21
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:24:22
Shane
Yeah, I think that the turning your back is back. I think that's metaphorical more that, you know, that, you know, that whole God cannot look on sin. um You know, Jesus did say, my God, my God, why have they forsaken me?
00:24:35
Shane
But, um you know, did you go to Good Friday? You didn't go to Good Friday, right?
00:24:40
Danny Price
I didn't know. I was busy, i was i was busy yeah.
00:24:41
Shane
Chad, Chad did a really awesome job of explaining how that is actually a quote of, I want to think, I want to say it's Psalm 22.
00:24:49
Danny Price
Psalm 22.
00:24:50
Shane
Yeah.
00:24:50
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:24:51
Shane
um And, and how he would have been, that was a way of letting the people know where he was referring to in scripture and that people would known to go to that Psalm and, and see, you know, that, look, this was the plan from the very beginning.
00:25:07
Danny Price
Mm-hmm.
00:25:09
Shane
I also do think he was also, there was also that cry of desperation of, you know, he's in anguish and pain, you know, not that he's, he's not questioning God though.
00:25:22
Shane
I think that, you know, he knows why God is, why the father has done this. Um, So he really did experience this being forsaken because he was bearing the judgment of sin.
00:25:33
Danny Price
Yeah. right. Mm-hmm.
00:25:35
Shane
So he bore the judgment of our sin. So he definitely was experiencing it.
00:25:37
Danny Price
right
00:25:40
Shane
But, you know, as far as God turning the father, turning his eyes away, that can, I, I don't know. I i see that as kind of more of a metaphorical of that.
00:25:50
Shane
He was definitely being judged, you know, that he took on our judgment at that time. Um,
00:25:57
Danny Price
who
00:25:57
Shane
And yeah, so he he bore the the curse. So if that, in that way, you know, you would say that the father turned away. So I don't know if that answers it.
00:26:06
Danny Price
Right. No, no, that does, that does make sense. I think it's hard too, because i was just reading and I've looked into this a little bit, but like the apostles creed, if you recite it, he has, it has a part of like Jesus died and then descended to hell and like conquered, conquered, essentially conquers death and then rises again.
00:26:20
Shane
Yeah.
00:26:24
Danny Price
And I think a lot of people are like, well, then how could, how could Jesus go to hell? Like, how does God, how like, how does God, like, how does that make any sense? And there's some debate on that of whether or not, good again, because hell
00:26:33
Shane
Yeah, of what he descended and set the captives free with that.
00:26:37
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:26:37
Shane
Yeah, that's. Yeah, i did not look into that. That's a whole nother question we can get into. So.
00:26:43
Danny Price
No, and that's fine.
00:26:44
Shane
um Yeah, that's.
00:26:47
Danny Price
I think your theology, i mean, again, you got to be careful with some of that stuff because it some of this, again, is based off of speculation or specifically looking at a certain translation to translate certain verses and others to translate others to try to get to this conclusion. I think I mean, the Bible's pretty clear on, you know, there is an there is a future element to hell that's not yet like the lake of fire. And so Jesus did not go to this like eternal torment with the devil for some, like, you know, there's, I don't think there's any reason to believe that.
00:27:15
Danny Price
You could say he died and like descended to Hades and like with with with like the place of the dead.
00:27:16
Shane
Mm-hmm.
00:27:19
Danny Price
And, but again, you know, you could translate that into like Abraham's bosom and all these other, there's just so much to, you there's so many different words for hell. There's things like three or four in the Bible and you're like, okay, so what, again, this just, it it takes you down this whole like path.
00:27:27
Shane
Mm-hmm.
00:27:33
Danny Price
And I think you just, you have to just come to this realization of Jesus died and he rose again. We don't quite understand or know what exactly happened when he, when his, with to his spirit, you know, I would to like agree with you. I tend to think like he was in this place of comfort with the father based off of what the Bible says. Um, but again, that might be,
00:27:53
Danny Price
that might be a little bit nuanced again, but I think to believe in the Trinity, you have to believe to this element of, you can't break up the Trinity because it's, always existing triunes. So like I don't think there was ever a moment where the spirit of God and God the Father and God the Son are separated while his body still died.
00:28:09
Danny Price
And I think that's just like a weird tension we have to live with without being truly able to understand it and go, you know what?
00:28:13
Shane
yeah Hey, buddy.
00:28:16
Danny Price
this is what um I know that Jesus died. We know that he died. for like His physical body, we know that he died. I mean, there's so many accounts of it. And Romans you know at the time were very good at killing people. like I think it's a hundred percent that he died. And we know that he rose again because of all the, again, all the accounts of people seeing him afterwards and how it's recorded in the Bible.
00:28:33
Danny Price
So I think, Hey, Sam, go out, Sam, go out. Oh, I'm, I'm not, my little, my little is coming in. um But anyways, so I think, i think once you get to that point and you're like, this is what happened.
00:28:48
Danny Price
And we know that, I think you, I think you're okay with some of these like weird nuances of like, I don't, I don't quite get all what that means, but like,
00:28:54
Shane
Yeah, I don't know exactly how it happened, but yeah, you know, so actually you re-
00:28:56
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:29:01
Shane
talking about them not being separated. The, uh, you refer that's, uh, going back to your, uh, our theology one, uh, that they, they were not ontologically separated, right.
00:29:12
Danny Price
Right. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. The the number definitions.
00:29:12
Shane
That they, the Trinity, the Trinity has not been broken.
00:29:18
Shane
Um, so, you know, I, I just real quick did a chat to BT on the heat of Santa part, because I was like, I remember some of this, but I, so, uh,
00:29:28
Shane
you know and i There again, this is Chachapiti. It can't be...
00:29:31
Danny Price
Be careful.
00:29:32
Shane
you know don't Yeah, be careful. But this is this is something i've I've heard as a quick way of kind of explaining that. that when That he descended is kind of a figurative language of that he he went...
00:29:48
Shane
to the the realm of death. He descended into the real the reality, the realm of death, but that's not necessarily hell.
00:29:50
Danny Price
Yeah. Right.
00:29:55
Shane
Um, but you know, he, he descended to the realm of death and set the captives free.
00:29:55
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:30:01
Shane
he sets us free from that realm of death through, through the cross. So, you know, that is one way that that is, um, that is interpreted that, that for me makes a lot of sense.
00:30:09
Danny Price
Right.
00:30:15
Shane
So anyway,
00:30:15
Danny Price
Totally. Totally. Um, Cool. I think that's hopefully Carl that kind of answers that question.
Understanding Communion Practices
00:30:23
Danny Price
Another question also from Carl. And again, this is totally a little bit different because it has some more to do with the Last Supper and Good Friday.
00:30:30
Danny Price
But just a question about communion, because someone brought it up in his meeting last night that he said, and this again, and he sent me this a little little bit ago, but he said someone did bring this up to him. um Just wondering about communion, you know, the who can participate? What is it that we are even doing? Why are we doing this?
00:30:44
Danny Price
What's the... What's the purpose behind the sacrament of communion? You know, again, that's a little bit more of a Good Friday, Last Supper question, but you have any thoughts on that? I kind of just threw like three different questions out there.
00:30:54
Shane
Yeah. Um, well, I mean, the initial purpose is Jesus told us to do it. I mean, really you can go back to, you know, when he met with the disciples before he went to the cross, um,
00:31:02
Danny Price
Right.
00:31:09
Shane
he basically said, this is my flesh broken for you. This is my blood poured out for you. Take it in remembrance of me. Um, as often as you meet together, um, you know, so he, he, he told us to do it as a reminder of a constant reminder of what the gift he has given us through the cross.
00:31:26
Danny Price
Mm-hmm.
00:31:31
Shane
So I think that to me is your, your first like, Hey, Jesus said, do it. I mean, literally like, that's why I got baptized is like, well, you know, the Bible says do it, so you know?
00:31:43
Danny Price
and have
00:31:43
Shane
So sometimes it's like, Hey, we, we just do it because we were, we're called to do it and remember, remember him. Um, so now it goes a lot. There's a lot more depth into that, that we, we could get, you know, even down to like, when it says how, as often as you meet together, well, what does that mean?
00:32:00
Shane
Um,
00:32:01
Danny Price
on
00:32:01
Shane
you know, so some churches practice commune every single week. They make sure they do it. Um, we do not, um, I kind of take the philosophy of like, well, if it means as often meet together, what, like he was just talking to the disciples, like saying, Hey, when you get together as fellow followers in Christ do this, you could take it. So, so, you know, so it could go a lot of ways with that.
00:32:27
Shane
Um,
00:32:28
Danny Price
Right, right.
00:32:29
Shane
So it's a matter of how, yeah how you want to interpret that, but it definitely says we should do it.
00:32:29
Danny Price
Yeah, I can
00:32:33
Danny Price
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:32:34
Shane
So, you know, it's for remembrance. It's for proclamation of we're proclaiming the Lord's death. Paul says, I think it's in Corinthians. Um,
00:32:45
Shane
You know, um it we're as a as a congregation, it's something, and I think that's another thing, the word communion means to commune, to have oneness as a body together with Christ. So we are coming together with Christ. So it's it's a unifying thing of the body. That's, you know, why it's considered actually the New Testament church. It's for one of the...
00:33:13
Shane
for sure two sacraments, you there's a, depending on where, what, um, um, view you're coming from, there's two up to seven, I think it is.
00:33:25
Shane
Um, yeah.
00:33:25
Danny Price
Yeah, Catholics believe in seven, I know. Yeah.
00:33:28
Shane
So, um, unifying and, in and, and also it just reminds us, um, it it reminds us of what, what he has done, but looks forward to what, what he will do, you know?
00:33:44
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:33:44
Shane
um
00:33:45
Shane
So that's kind of,
00:33:46
Danny Price
Do you think, ah this is like this is my own question. Do you think, because I mean, I grew up taking communion in my family and like we do this occasionally, like even when we meet with like some friends and stuff, we'll do communion together.
00:33:57
Danny Price
Do you think this is something that only the church, when I say the church, I mean, you know like I know technically like I'm part of a church. So if a bunch of my my friends that are also part of the church get together, you could you could kind of say that that's part of the church, although we're not operating as a church.
00:34:12
Danny Price
um
00:34:12
Shane
er
00:34:13
Danny Price
is it wrong to take communion when it's not being administered by the church? And when I mean that, like by the elders, by like a pastor or someone, you know, like, is that, and when I say administered, I mean you saying come and take, you know.
00:34:22
Shane
No. Yeah, no, I don't, I don't think so at all. Now, you know, you go to the high church and that you would hear differently. Um, you know, um,
00:34:30
Danny Price
Sure.
00:34:33
Shane
you know Rachel and Dylan, and we know others who have have become Orthodox, um and they would say, no, it has to be administered by they their priest.
00:34:34
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:34:39
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:34:43
Danny Price
A priest or, yeah.
00:34:45
Shane
you know and um But i I don't see that in the New Testament. um
00:34:51
Danny Price
No, yeah.
00:34:52
Shane
i I see it as, there again, going back to what Jesus said, i think... You know, we're going to take it real literal. It's, hey, we're we're meeting together. we're We're taking communion together.
00:35:02
Shane
Now, the one issue I would say is it's not for unbelievers.
00:35:02
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:35:07
Shane
You know, so so say you're getting to together you're gathering with your friends and you have two non-believers there and five believers.
00:35:08
Danny Price
Yeah. Yeah.
00:35:13
Danny Price
Sorry, Bobby. you can't You can't take this.
00:35:16
Shane
Yeah, so I would say, you know, you you be careful with those situations of like, hey, you know, we're not gathered as the...
00:35:16
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:35:23
Shane
the church right now, we're just we're friends and some of us are believers, some aren't, so we're not going to take communion, you know, but then even there again, i mean, within the church, you know, how often do non-believers take it?
00:35:25
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:35:39
Shane
You know, you can even say, Hey, if you're a non-believer or you, but there's, you can't, you what like, we don't know.
00:35:39
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:35:46
Shane
So, you know, so I, I really think it's the,
00:35:46
Danny Price
Yeah, that's that that's tough.
00:35:52
Shane
you know, the heart of it and what, you know, and that might even be why, you know, if you went to the higher churches where they say the priest has to administer it, why they would say, no, it needs to be administered by the priest because the priest does know if you've, you know, yeah.
00:36:05
Danny Price
Yeah, if you're not a member, yeah.
00:36:08
Shane
So, um, so,
00:36:08
Danny Price
No, that makes sense, I guess. i've I mean, as far as our I'm remembering, maybe I'm misremembering, but the only reason, the only misuse of communion that I can remember is like you said in Corinthians, when they're starting to go a little wild with the wine during communion, and Paul's like, you guys are taking communion wrong, and it's because they're kind of overboarding with getting drunk while they're taking communion.
00:36:30
Danny Price
I've never, i still don't quite understand why it has to be
00:36:30
Shane
Yeah.
00:36:34
Danny Price
again, administered by a person. i could And I could totally understand the sacredness and the reverence reverence that's required for that. like um I would never say, yeah, just take it casually. like It doesn't mean anything. like It's very important.
00:36:46
Danny Price
But I'm like, I don't know if that necessarily means you have to take it in only a church setting and only administered by a person. And again, I can see this. I can see how the guardrails kind of for that, like you said, went up over time and it it makes sense. But like, hey, the the bishop or this priest or this person at this church knew who was the congregation. So he's going to be the one that does it. But then again, I'm like,
00:37:08
Danny Price
you're killing you're killing all forms of any kind of like house church or anything, which again, i think that would be the goal. that Not, that sounds bad. Not the goal of the Catholic church, but like to align with the church would be their goal, I guess.
00:37:16
Shane
Not the goal. They're not trying to like, yeah.
00:37:20
Danny Price
So it makes sense from from their perspective, I suppose, but I don't necessarily agree.
00:37:20
Shane
Yeah.
00:37:26
Shane
Yeah. You know, there's there's a weird line of, um,
00:37:26
Danny Price
So.
00:37:30
Shane
You know, if you went, if you took high church as one extreme, and if you're not not familiar with that term, high church just means like churches that are so very into liturgy, um you know, like you go and it's exact same thing every week, that kind of thing.
00:37:44
Shane
So if you took high church all the way down to ah non-denominational, if you look at those as kind of the two extremes on the line, right?
00:37:46
Danny Price
Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:37:54
Shane
I think communion is one of those, one of the many things that,
00:37:54
Danny Price
yeah
00:37:59
Shane
that we have our interpretation of high church is always going to lean more towards order and seeking to, um stick to the letter of the law and non-denominational is always going lean a little more towards the heart and personal interpretation.
00:38:24
Shane
Right.
00:38:25
Danny Price
Yes.
00:38:26
Shane
And,
00:38:29
Shane
And it's ah the hard part is I think somewhere in the middle on almost every issue is where it, it, it lands.
00:38:37
Danny Price
and Yeah.
00:38:38
Shane
um And, and, you know, my, my difficulty with that is when we, when we, and this is why to me, these are so such secondary issues is man, if we're going to think that like, we're going to be judged by how we interpreted this stuff, right.
00:38:58
Shane
Man, I am really worried because we, not a lot of us are not, not a lot of us are going to be okay.
00:39:00
Danny Price
Hmm.
00:39:02
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:39:06
Shane
i don't think so.
00:39:06
Danny Price
Oh, I know. Oh, I know.
00:39:07
Shane
So I, I just struggle with that. So that's where I land with these things is, you know, I still, we, we push and try to get it as right as we can, you know, but, but I think we have to have grace towards the other side of it as well.
00:39:17
Danny Price
Right.
00:39:22
Danny Price
Yeah. And I think that's the beauty of where Protestantism comes in is there is, um, there is freedom within Protestants to, i mean, you can go to a Lutheran church or a Presbyterian church or, you know, these other more liturgical churches and still have that rev, if that's what you're craving or you feel like is owed God a little bit more, this like more reverent and, um,
00:39:45
Danny Price
I don't know what the other word would be, but just like quiet or reverent, you know, worship and this and that. I mean, there is room for that within the Protestant movement and order.
00:39:53
Shane
Well, and order. I do think order is an important thing for a lot of people. Yeah. Mm-mm.
00:39:57
Danny Price
That's kind of where I was going with that, I guess. Yeah. it's like and And I think that's really cool is that you have this opportunity to be able to to to have that and still be in relationship with with someone who's a Baptist, who's a little bit, there's like a little bit less order, um or maybe, you know, even a non-denominational.
00:40:09
Shane
No.
00:40:13
Danny Price
And again, I'm not, what I'm not doing, and I don't think Shane's doing is, I'm not saying there's, there's often, like some people believe some weird things about baptism, or not baptism, communion, excuse me. And maybe they practice it at their church and it's kind of one-off weird thing. I'm not saying every interpretation. don't think he's saying every interpretation of communion is correct.
00:40:31
Danny Price
um
00:40:31
Shane
no
00:40:31
Danny Price
but But there is a spectrum of like kind of what's accepted within most people's you know view of like, this is what communion looks like, whether it's only at church or whether it's in the home and church, you know, there's different views that I think a lot of people would accept. hey you're still a Christian. This is just a secondary thing.
00:40:45
Danny Price
um And I think it's just important that we realize it's okay it's okay to have a little bit of division on this or a little bit of, not division, differences. It's okay to have little differences.
00:40:55
Shane
ever Yeah, differences.
00:40:55
Danny Price
We are we we always go back to this throughout the whole podcast. We've talked about this so many times. like It's okay to have some differences on secondary things as long as you're not denying the
Conveying the Gospel and Building Relationships
00:41:03
Danny Price
core things. And you know and and I think that would be Something just to look at if you're you know like, hey, i think we should i want I want to be a little bit more careful how i practice communion. Great. That's awesome. You have the freedom in Christ to do that. You don't have to necessarily only take it at church, or maybe you do only take it at church, and that could be something that you decide for yourself, and you can still be a Christian either way.
00:41:22
Shane
Yeah.
00:41:22
Danny Price
So, yeah.
00:41:23
Shane
Yep.
00:41:25
Danny Price
You had a question from Tanya, and I think that finishes this out for the episode.
00:41:30
Shane
Yeah, so she basically, and we kind of talked a little bit about this when we were um digging into Zach's a little bit. So on on the other side of, you know, um where she was coming from is like,
00:41:44
Shane
yeah she pointed out that, you know, she talked to people after the service, you know, and it, and she's like, I just, I can, you know, we push so much like Jesus the only way there, you know, and like the sermon was so based on, he is the way, the truth, the life.
00:41:48
Danny Price
yeah.
00:42:01
Shane
And yet still afterwards, there's this like,
00:42:01
Danny Price
yeah
00:42:05
Shane
oh, this is so great. I love this, you know, but I, you know, my son, he's on this totally different path, but that's good for him. And I love that, you know, and, and, and or even just kind of like, I love getting this he just fits with my other, you know, like these other spiritual practices I do.
00:42:22
Shane
And, you know, and, um and she's like, how do you talk to that person? You know, what do you what do what do you say?
00:42:26
Danny Price
Oh, jeez.
00:42:28
Shane
And, And um that's ah it's a tough question.
00:42:30
Danny Price
Ugh.
00:42:34
Shane
i And I will say it blows my mind sometimes because I will preach a sermon that I'm like looking at someone in the congregation. I'm going, okay, I know where this person stands on some of this stuff.
00:42:47
Shane
There's no way they're not going to hear it this time. There's no way they can miss this.
00:42:51
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:42:52
Shane
And they just, woo, right over their head. They just don't get it. you know and And some of that we have to believe is We have to just trust the Holy Spirit, right?
00:43:02
Shane
I mean, God calls who he calls.
00:43:03
Danny Price
yeah
00:43:07
Shane
And, you know, the Bible is pretty clear that the gospel is is going to be a stumbling block to to some. And it does not mean that those are some that are they're going to...
00:43:22
Shane
like always be like, Oh, I hate God. You know, they're not always going to have that personality.
00:43:25
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:43:27
Shane
Some of them are going to be like, I love God. If God is who I want him to be. And God is who I, my spirituality look, you know, I think that is a a complete tool of the enemy that, you know, it's a deception um that he deceives us, you know, really into thinking we are God because then we get to create God to be who we want him to be, which, you know, so,
00:43:31
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:43:50
Danny Price
yeah
00:43:54
Shane
um Part of it is there's there's not a lot you can say. When it's when it's something's presented that clearly and people just don't get it, there's not much you can say.
00:44:03
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:44:04
Shane
But I will say this. The other part is that's where actual relationship kicks in because it it it is easy to listen to something that's more of a sermon or a speech or, you know, any kind of like just, um, uh, what's the word?
00:44:22
Shane
Why can't i I think of the word where I'm, where we're standing and talking. Um,
00:44:27
Danny Price
Orating? I don't know.
00:44:28
Shane
Yeah, and oration, um you know, ah ah that teaching kind of style, right? like why that is That's still not it.
00:44:34
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:44:35
Shane
But anyway, um it's easy to listen to someone talk for 30 minutes and and get what you want to get out of it. But then, but when you actually sit sit and discuss with someone and you, you, you can, you can start to go, well, wait, you said this. Let me, let me understand that. Let me, you know, where does that come from? Why are you saying that? You know and you can actually through relationship and through discussion, you
00:45:03
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:45:04
Shane
kind of kind of break down walls and barriers and and um and hiding things we hide behind, you know, and make people be more real with themselves.
00:45:16
Shane
um So I do believe that it it, you know, that's why it's important to actually invest and have some actual relationships with people that we can, can encourage to be open to the the Holy Spirit. you know, I know for me, it was not preaching that saved me.
00:45:36
Shane
It was, it was relationship. It was a couple of people who were willing to have real conversations with me about the gospel
00:45:48
Shane
And I think I lost you, Danny.
00:45:53
Shane
Well, if you are listening to this, I don't know what happened to Danny. So hopefully... You're this is still recording and all that my answer recorded. um So I'm going to close it out here. um Danny is traveling and he's on a a different Internet and everything. And so it might have just ah cut out on him.
Conclusion and Upcoming Sermon Series
00:46:14
Shane
um But I think we got through everything. So everyone have an awesome week and we are going to be jumping into a new series going through the Proverbs. Not all of them.
00:46:25
Shane
We're going to have an eight-week series dealing with Proverbs wisdom, the wisdom from Proverbs for eight weeks, talking about different topics and subjects. But the very first week, we'll be hitting um just what is godly wisdom. So, all right. With that, everybody have an awesome week. And hopefully, ah like I said, Danny will be able to to use the end of this. All right.