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Easter and Eternity | Episode 42
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In this episode, Danny and Shane talk about the exciting preparation for Easter. We review things from the sermon from Palm Sunday and discuss an eternal mindset and how it impacts our lives.
Verses:
Matthew 21
Zechariah 9:9
Matthew 26
Luke 23
Video on the Early Church in 150 AD - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h9mkybHep0
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Transcript
00:00:31
Shane
Yeah.
Significance of Easter: Palm Sunday to Good Friday
00:00:32
Danny Price
Hey everybody, welcome to episode 42 of our podcast. We're back with Shane, he's back in town. And we're really excited. This is a huge week for most churches.
00:00:44
Danny Price
So if you're listening from another church, you know this, but just Easter week, there's just so much going on. You have Palm Sunday, which is, you know, it's a cool celebration. I don't think a lot of non-denominational churches make as big of a deal out of it.
00:00:57
Danny Price
I know like the more liturgical churches, it's it's a bigger deal, but then you have Palm Sunday, then you have Good Friday,
00:00:58
Shane
yeah
00:01:02
Danny Price
um you know, again, which is for some churches, a really big deal for other churches, not as much. And then for all churches, Easter is very, very big deal. And it's kind of like, I hesitate to say this because it's not like any other Sunday is not important, but it's like, it's like the Superbowl.
00:01:16
Danny Price
It's like the big, it's like, because there's a lot of people coming and it's a huge celebration for, i mean, quite literally like but one of the most important things in our faith, you know, you got Christmas and and Jesus coming and then Easter, Jesus rising is like kind of the the two big ones.
00:01:20
Shane
Yeah.
00:01:29
Danny Price
um
00:01:29
Shane
Yeah. When I was a kid, Jesus only lived for three months.
00:01:30
Danny Price
That's not,
00:01:34
Shane
He died.
00:01:34
Danny Price
And that was it.
00:01:34
Shane
He was born on Christmas and he died on Easter.
00:01:35
Danny Price
That's
00:01:37
Shane
So he...
00:01:39
Danny Price
hilarious.
Church Preparations for Easter Services
00:01:40
Danny Price
ah But not to I'm not trying to diminish other Sundays. Not that they're not important, but it is, you know, a lot of people come to church on Easter that normally don't come to church. So it's, you know, trying to be caring and thoughtful about that.
00:01:50
Shane
And it is one thing to think about. I think a lot of Christians don't think about is that, you know, we so we call Easter resurrection Sunday. And I, I mean, I call that all the time, but the truth is every Sunday, that is what we celebrate.
00:02:05
Shane
We celebrate the resurrection.
00:02:06
Danny Price
Yes.
00:02:06
Shane
at week We would not be a church if it weren't for the resurrection. So technically that, mean, that is why we worship.
00:02:11
Danny Price
Yes.
00:02:13
Shane
That's what, you know, I mean, all that. So anyway, so
00:02:17
Danny Price
No, that's 100% accurate. It's 100% the reason we do church is celebrating Jesus. um
00:02:24
Shane
Yeah.
00:02:24
Danny Price
Actually, I'll link this. I just listened, was watching a video on early church, like 150 AD and what they did.
00:02:29
Shane
yeah
00:02:33
Danny Price
Because a lot of people are like, what do what do they even do? And this guy breaks it down. I'll link it. But it's really cool because, again, It's very similar to what we're doing. Very different than obviously they're they're probably not doing it at like a church building. They're doing it at a home, all that kind of stuff. But he breaks down the differences and some of the similarities. But again, it's all celebrating, like you said, the resurrection and even likemun like taking communion and sacrament together it's it's all tied into celebrating what Jesus just did. Like we really don't, we don't see that until after Jesus rises from the dead.
00:03:02
Danny Price
you know People obviously in synagogues, you know, who are Jewish are doing meetings together and things, but you don't see these like weekly, um like, well, again, calling love feasts.
00:03:13
Danny Price
You don't see that quite as quite in anywhere in the Bible up until right after Jesus dies and resurrects. And then you see the early church start.
00:03:21
Shane
Yeah.
00:03:21
Danny Price
So it's kind of cool. Yeah.
00:03:23
Shane
Yeah.
00:03:23
Danny Price
Um, anyways, so in preparation for Easter, how's everything going with the church? What are
Choosing the Venue: Space and Volunteer Management
00:03:29
Danny Price
we doing? i know for most of most everyone listening to this is probably going to know, but maybe break down the preparations and what we're trying to do and accomplish.
00:03:36
Shane
Yeah. Well, I'm sure, like said, probably almost everyone listening to this knows we're, we're running the high school auditorium, Wasatch High. Um, and, uh, we're going to do one service. So we made that decision because we were thinking we would need a minimum of six services, if not seven, and trying to figure out how we were going to do that. And volunteers is just such a hassle on volunteers and,
00:03:58
Shane
Um, and their auditorium seats, 1100. Um, and then also we have two classrooms for kids. So we figure we can fit about 1300, you know, with, with, if all the kids, if most of the kids go to the kids program, um,
00:04:15
Shane
And ah yeah, and so the one bummer about it is ah we're now down to one service, which means that some people are just literally not going to be at the service. You know, we're probably going to have 15 to 20 people who just can't come.
00:04:25
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:04:29
Shane
Yeah.
00:04:30
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:04:31
Shane
But so that can be a bit of a bummer. But man, the the work it takes off of our volunteers and, you know, I mean, people don't realize like when we do that, you know, say we did seven services, our worship band would have to be there for a minimum, a minimum of 12 hours somehow, you know.
00:04:49
Danny Price
Yeah. Yep.
00:04:50
Shane
um And you, you know, all the sound people, um you know, trying to get kids, teachers for so all those.
00:04:53
Danny Price
yep
00:04:57
Shane
I mean, that is it. And we have a hard time on a normal Sunday with three services. So, you know, trying to get all those.
00:05:02
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:05:03
Shane
So so just a lot. um And so this makes it a little bit easier for everybody. And it's just going be fun to have everyone in one room one time.
00:05:13
Shane
You know, I'd probably the only the last time we'll be ever able ever to do this.
00:05:14
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:05:18
Shane
I mean, that God, you know, God willing, because the way we're growing next year, we we even debated even this year, where are we going to be able to fit? um So, I mean, we're going to have to like the usherings.
00:05:27
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:05:30
Shane
I feel And so if you are listening, help our ushers out because there we've we've put them that like they're going to literally have people sit by row. You know, like they're going to you're going to have kind of people.
00:05:42
Shane
Hey, you came in at this time. you You go up here and you sit next to the person that just came in in front of you. You know, it's not going to be kind of pick and choose kind of thing because we we do want to make sure we use every seat.
00:05:48
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:05:54
Shane
Yeah.
00:05:55
Danny Price
Right. Is there like a fire code?
00:05:56
Shane
Yeah. so
00:05:57
Danny Price
So for example, like if we can, we not pull out extra chairs. I don't know if there is even room in the back, but is there like a fire code? Like, Hey, there can only,
00:06:03
Shane
There is no room in the back. No, they they've got that place kind of packed out to what it can be.
00:06:05
Danny Price
oh
00:06:09
Shane
Now, there's there's um kind of what would be almost kind of like a – It's sort of like lobbyish hallway like hallways as your what you walk past the doors.
00:06:20
Shane
So you you'll be ah you'd be you'll you'd be able to hear everything perfect.
00:06:20
Danny Price
Uh-huh.
00:06:25
Shane
um you There's areas that the view is kind of obstructed that we can bring in chairs or people can stand, know, that kind of thing.
00:06:33
Danny Price
Uh-huh.
00:06:34
Shane
But...
00:06:34
Danny Price
OK.
00:06:34
Shane
um Yeah, no, it's going to be, you know, pretty limited. We are going to have an overflow TV, a large screen TV out in the hallway. um
00:06:43
Danny Price
Cool.
00:06:44
Shane
But, you know, there again, that would not be great for the sermon, but worship, you know, people you don't want to be in there, which I'm hearing is going to be really, really awesome.
00:06:48
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:06:52
Shane
So, yeah.
Post-Service Activities and Future Venue Plans
00:06:54
Danny Price
No, yeah, worship will be good. I'm doing sound for it. It'll be fun.
00:06:57
Shane
Yeah. And then after that.
00:06:58
Danny Price
I think it's going to...
00:06:59
Shane
And then after all that, we've got, you know, um kind of a, a you know, ah i don't want to say a buffet. You know, we're not making omelets for people, but, you know, whatever you call that when you like a continental buffet, i guess. um And then we have like bounce houses and egg hunt and some fun things out there.
00:07:18
Danny Price
For the kids and for everyone. Cool. Yeah, that'll be really fun. Is is it So we're this is the old high school. Are we going to be able to do this at the new high school? um Or are we trying to do that?
00:07:30
Danny Price
Is that the plan of the future?
00:07:30
Shane
Yeah.
00:07:31
Danny Price
Or?
00:07:31
Shane
Yeah. Yeah. Great. i'm glad you talked mentioned that. Yeah. So once, so the goal is that next year, once the new high school is open, we will probably try to do Easter's and Christmas is there um at that auditorium. And the cool thing about that is, you know, we can have something. so so like say Easter, we can have two services, but in between the services have,
00:07:56
Shane
the the fun stuff over on our property because it's literally a, it's a three minute walk, you know.
00:08:01
Danny Price
Yep. Yeah.
00:08:04
Shane
um So we can have this that and and encourage people to come over and then that way they can see the church and, you know, know that we're there and and all that.
00:08:09
Danny Price
Yeah. Yeah.
00:08:12
Shane
So yeah, that's the goal is that next year we would do that.
00:08:15
Danny Price
Well, that is nice. Yeah. i'm I'm thinking about like splitting services up um to do six services. I mean, I can't imagine that's, that's so much. I mean, Christmas Eve, it wasn't too bad because we split it between two days and we did five services, right?
00:08:28
Shane
Mm-hmm.
00:08:29
Danny Price
Five, five, five, or was it four or five?
00:08:30
Shane
And we did five, and we did, yeah, two on the one night or four. I can't remember how it now. i think it was two and n three.
00:08:36
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:08:38
Shane
um
00:08:38
Danny Price
Yeah, I think, yeah, it was a lot.
00:08:40
Shane
But, you know, but Easter, I don't know. Nobody wants to come for Easter service on a Saturday, I don't think.
00:08:45
Danny Price
Yeah, there's no Easter, Easter Saturday or Easter Monday. Not really.
00:08:48
Shane
Yeah, but we would literally have to. I think we'd have to. Either that or we'd be doing services till 5 p.m.
00:08:54
Danny Price
Yeah, that's, that's tough.
00:08:56
Shane
yeah know,
00:08:56
Danny Price
i um Yeah, I don't know. That's, yeah, because again, you're kind of losing that Easter morning feel, I guess, but. I don't know. um But yeah, that's that's really exciting. I'm excited because the last time we did this was Zermatt, you said, right?
00:09:08
Danny Price
was that That was the last time we had everyone together.
00:09:09
Shane
Yeah, that was the last time we tried to have everyone together.
00:09:13
Danny Price
Which was what, 2018?
00:09:13
Shane
thought you were going to say 20 years ago.
00:09:13
Danny Price
No, no, no, no, no. 2018, 2018.
00:09:17
Shane
i'm like, we're not even that
00:09:17
Danny Price
no no no twenty ah eighteen twenty
00:09:18
Shane
and now Yeah, it was, I want to say 2018. It might have been 2017. I can't remember right at the end. think it was 2018.
00:09:24
Danny Price
Wow. That'll be fun. That'll be really exciting. um Do you know, I mean, just based off of like feel, do you feel like we're going to pack it out? And are you are you just like, I have no idea yet?
00:09:34
Shane
You know, I have no idea. I mean, numbers wise. Yeah. We, if, if we are doing what we normally do, we should pack it out because we, um, for Christmas Eve, we had almost, we had right at 1100, maybe 1200 closer, but just under 1200, um, Christmas Eve.
00:09:54
Danny Price
Okay.
00:09:55
Shane
And generally over the last six years, Whatever we have for Christmas Eve, we grow by, you know, 5%, 7% for Easter. Whatever we have for Easter, we grow by so about 7% to 10% for that christmas next Christmas Eve.
00:10:10
Danny Price
Interesting.
00:10:11
Shane
And it's just been building for the last six years.
00:10:12
Danny Price
Interesting. That's really cool.
00:10:15
Shane
Yeah.
00:10:15
Danny Price
Yeah. Not that it's about numbers. I'm just, you know, obviously just, I'm just curious.
00:10:17
Shane
No. Yeah.
00:10:19
Danny Price
So that's cool.
00:10:20
Shane
No. But, yeah, just fun I think just fun for everyone to celebrate together. and It should be fun.
00:10:25
Danny Price
Yeah. For this, for the message, I mean, obviously that saves your voice, um, or help.
00:10:29
Shane
Yeah.
00:10:29
Danny Price
How long are you going to be speaking? I'm guessing you're going to do a pretty simple, I mean, gospel to the point, you know, presentation, he has risen.
00:10:35
Shane
Yeah, i just yeah it it'll be a little bit shorter message than normal, about 22. Yeah, just I said that at the ministry leaders ah meeting. we i volunteer We had a volunteer meeting yeah about a week ago or two weeks ago to kind of get everyone ready for Easter.
00:10:52
Danny Price
Uh huh.
00:10:52
Shane
And I said, I was like, hey, a lot of you, some of you might miss this because you're going to be volunteering. But I'm like, you know, let's just spoil alert for the message. He has risen, you know. So, yeah.
00:11:02
Danny Price
Yeah. Right. Yeah.
00:11:03
Shane
It's pretty much. um um But yeah, it'll be a little bit shorter because we're going to focus more on worship. um So I gave them a little bit more time for worship.
00:11:11
Danny Price
and
00:11:15
Shane
And then we also just really want to make sure we keep it to an hour um for one, because of time we've got to, we're renting the facility. We only have it till a certain time.
00:11:25
Danny Price
yeah
00:11:26
Shane
And then two, um just for those, those kids workers and everything, because it it is going kind of, a lot
00:11:33
Danny Price
No, it'll be a lot. Well, cool. um Yeah, that's really exciting. So yeah, if you're listening, try to invite a friend, try to invite people, not just for the sake of getting more people there, but for the sake of them hearing
Impact of Mission Trips to Honduras and Guatemala
00:11:46
Danny Price
about Jesus.
00:11:46
Shane
Yeah, they will they will hear the gospel very clearly.
00:11:50
Danny Price
It's very exciting. um I wanted to talk ah quickly about, so you were going on Honduras and Guatemala. um Didn't know if you wanted to to share on that. How was the trip? How was, you know, who went, how big, how big, I know most people who are listening to this podcast probably know that we do that.
00:12:04
Danny Price
That's where we go right now for mission trips. But if you're, you know, just just want to talk about that for a little bit and just share your heart with that.
00:12:10
Shane
Yeah. Yeah. um Well, trip is always awesome. A lot of it is because, you know, it's very different than any missions thing I've ever done. The mission trips I've ever done before, we go up we would go somewhere, but we were one of like 12 or 20 groups that go, right?
00:12:29
Shane
And we were just another group coming in, helping them at their orphanage or whatever whatever it is.
00:12:29
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:12:34
Shane
Nothing wrong with that. It's all great. But this is a church that we partner with. We partnered with 12 years. We are the only group that goes out there. um So they don't have groups just coming and going. And they look they just really look forward to us coming. And the welcome they give us is just amazing. um They treat it. yeah I mean, their hospitality is just off the charts. um And, you know, they're that it's definitely – I love it. The the reason i even, as far as on a personal level, go on these trips anymore is to –
00:13:11
Shane
to experience the new people. um I love taking new people that have never been um to a developing country to work with other Christians um because it just, you see their eyes open to God's kingdom in a completely different way.
00:13:14
Danny Price
time.
00:13:26
Shane
So, you know, i won't go into details about what we did, blah, blah, blah, all that stuff. but I just can't say enough. If, if you have never done a trip like this, you need to. And I really think this one is a special trip.
00:13:41
Shane
Um, even if you've done some other, like, Oh, I've gone to Mexico and built houses or whatever this, this is different. Pete Kroll is kind of taken over a lot of the leadership, not kind of, he has, he's taken over a major part of the leadership.
00:13:54
Shane
Um, you know, and he's someone who's done missions his whole life and he'll even tell you, it's just a very different trip. Um,
00:14:00
Danny Price
Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:14:01
Shane
So, yeah. And then I went to Guatemala for... three days I separated from the group um with a buddy of mine who goes with us all the time to Honduras to help us out with translation.
00:14:14
Shane
um He's a Hispanic pastor from Guatemala and he's moving back to Guatemala and he wants to make sure they're doing him and his family are doing ministry there. Like he's got two sisters and a brother. They're all moving back and his mom who's already moved and they want to be involved in the ministry. So they've purchased 16 acres of uh,
00:14:35
Shane
Um, and actually his, um, his stepdad has already built a church on the land and he's doing a church. Um, and, but Alex, the guy who I'm talking about, he's got a vision to, to do kind of what we've wanted to do in Honduras, but we just, there's just, we just don't leadership there to do it.
00:14:44
Danny Price
Hmm.
00:14:55
Shane
So, um, but a trade center, where the the students, like 13 years old, can go and get two years of trade school, learn to be an electrician, um a, ah um I remember what they call but where they lay the bricks, and bricklayer, yeah, but there's a word for it.
00:15:15
Danny Price
Bricklayer?
00:15:20
Shane
Anyway,
00:15:20
Danny Price
mason Masonry or something?
00:15:22
Shane
Yeah, masonry.
00:15:22
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:15:22
Shane
mason area yeah amazing yeah amazingson work. um But ah auto mechanics, those kinds of things. And get two years of that, a little bit of Bible and um and English.
00:15:34
Shane
And so would really help these kids be able to get ah some actual jobs that they can maybe provide for their families and stuff.
00:15:34
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:15:41
Shane
so So he and I went and looked at that and what the possibilities were there as well. so Yeah.
00:15:46
Danny Price
and Nice, nice. Yeah. um Just for everyone listening right now, you can sponsor a kid in Honduras because they're, they have this whole program with a bunch of young young kids and older people. And that's really the only way that they get fed. I've been down there. I i was there, oh man, it was like 11 years ago now at this point. um But it's a fantastic program to be involved in.
00:16:07
Danny Price
So if you want to get involved, it's on the Mountain View website and you can go and see our partnership there. And then this new thing, I'm sure we'll put stuff on the website and it'll be, it'll be out shortly.
00:16:15
Shane
Yeah, it'll probably be about two years before we have anything we're advertising.
00:16:18
Danny Price
Not shortly.
00:16:18
Shane
today
00:16:19
Danny Price
I shouldn't say shortly. should When it happens, it'll be out.
00:16:20
Shane
Yeah. But yeah, yeah the sponsor the child sponsorship, yeah, I mean, small, small kingdom investment and you're investing in, you know, just giving a kid hope.
00:16:31
Shane
um I mean, you're giving them food, neck andna but I really do believe the biggest thing you're giving them is hope. Yeah.
00:16:36
Danny Price
Yeah, no, it's it's really cool. Awesome. um So you're you were back in the saddle for teaching. The last two episodes we've had Bruce and ah Tony on has been cool.
00:16:48
Danny Price
So you preach a little bit of a different sermon just because it was little shorter. We had a kid service. For those of you were not there at Mountain View, we had... all the kids in service, which we're trying to do every time there's a fifth Sunday in that month. So if there's five weeks, you know how the calendar lines up, there's five Sundays in a month, then we're going to do that. So it ends up being about four times a year. We're going to have all the kids in service, which is really cool because um I think it might be a little considered disruptive, but I think it's cool for everyone to see just all the young people that we have involved in church and all the kids that we have involved. And it's kind of like a very like altogether as a family type of deal, as opposed to everyone heads off to their separate, separate direction. um
Family Integration in Church Activities
00:17:26
Danny Price
So we had that. So because of that, Zanna had the kids go on stage and she shared just a story of Palm Sunday with them because it is Palm Sunday or was Palm Sunday. And Shane got to teach. um That being said, your sermon was shorter. i'm so I'm sure there was stuff that didn't make it in. Do you want to talk on just what the sermon was about and what didn't you didn't get a chance to talk on maybe for a little bit?
00:17:45
Shane
Well, I'll tell you what, do you mind if we move? Because I actually, i looked at that and I've got some stuff, but it it fits really well into some of your other questions.
00:17:53
Danny Price
Oh, with the questions.
00:17:54
Shane
Yeah, so – and I can bring that up.
00:17:54
Danny Price
Oh, cool.
00:17:57
Shane
um as as were But um just real quick that the kind of the vision for the having the families in there, um you know –
00:17:57
Danny Price
OK.
00:18:03
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:18:07
Shane
from day one, we've, we've had a desire to reach families. That's always been kind of our purpose. um And, you know, we, we live in a very family focused area. So we just always believe that that's kind of, that's who our, our reach person group is, you know, i mean, obviously we want to reach everybody. Right. But when we look at the, the area, the person who has probably the,
00:18:34
Shane
the unchurched person who has the most chance of coming to our church and, and getting and becoming a disciple is kind of that young family who, I mean, right.
00:18:46
Shane
I mean, so many families do this, like, well, I kind of grew up in church, but I just totally went away and I haven't been a part of church in, you know, 15 years, but we started having kids and I felt like they should get you know, and so they come.
00:18:53
Danny Price
know
00:18:58
Shane
And i mean, I've heard that story.
00:18:59
Danny Price
Yep. ye Yep.
00:19:00
Shane
I probably hear that story, 10 times a year for the whole time I've been here.
00:19:06
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:19:06
Shane
So, you know, it's just very common. And so, ah you know, over 50% of the homes in in Hebrew Valley are families with children. They're raising kids and and raising kids is tough.
00:19:17
Danny Price
okay
00:19:19
Shane
um And it's even harder to disciple kids. um You know, there's a difference in raising kids and discipling them.
00:19:24
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:19:26
Shane
And so we just want to come alongside the families.
00:19:26
Danny Price
Hmm.
00:19:29
Shane
And that that means have one, having a great kids program. But two, ah kids, the studies are showing that youth – yeah ah young adults are leaving the church in droves.
00:19:42
Shane
And two of the reasons are they're not a part of the actual church. They get separated for everything. So what we want to help them be a part um and, and partner with the the parents in that way.
00:19:56
Shane
And so this is just one small way for services a year.
00:19:59
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:20:00
Shane
um And, you know, I was a little worried about some of our empty nesters and people not like, you know, kind of thinking, Oh, this is disruptive. i don't like this, but I i talked to like five couples afterwards and they loved that we did it, you know, and they got that like, yeah, man, I, it was hard raising our kids.
00:20:09
Danny Price
yeah
00:20:13
Danny Price
yeah
00:20:16
Shane
And if we can help families do that, then we want to do that. And I do know that, you know, for some parents that, that that Sunday morning is just kind of their break. um It might be a little harder, but we want them to get it. It's worth the hard to show your kids how to worship, you know, to, um to do those things. And we're going to put effort into making it ah a service that the kids is aren't, they can sit through and it can be interactive. So um I felt like it was, you know, it was a good service for them.
00:20:50
Shane
You know, I will tailor the messages to make sure I'm not talking about some super adult material. um And then, you know, like this time we had, it like you said, Zanna do the talk. And I felt like the kids liked that. It shortened the message to, I think I preached like 23, 24 minutes,
00:21:09
Shane
you know and Yeah. And then we had we had activities, you know, the kids get some stuff when they come in to kind of keep themselves busy and, and focus that way to help out the parents.
00:21:21
Shane
And so, yeah, that's, yeah.
00:21:23
Danny Price
That's really cool. um I don't know if you know this, but there was like this whole online debate maybe about a month or two ago. um it was kind of it kind of just hit the church a little bit because there was someone that made a post basically about welcoming loud kids in church.
00:21:39
Danny Price
like it was this Pennsylvania church and they said, we'd love to have loud kids. And if they had this whole like post, but then, but then all kinds of people started chiming in because then of course you get like the, no church is supposed to be reverent only, which I, yeah, yeah i understand the sentiment, but
00:21:44
Shane
Oh, I did see that. i did see that post.
00:21:58
Danny Price
you know if you If your kids are loud or make a noise, like that that shows that you're a bad parent and shows that you need to... you know All this stuff. And it was really interesting just to see all these different people kind of take different sides on this argument.
00:22:08
Shane
Uh-huh.
00:22:08
Danny Price
um And it's really sad, I think.
00:22:10
Shane
I'm...
00:22:11
Danny Price
it's It's kind of sad to see some of that. You see people that are like... Again, i totally understand the irreverence. And if a kid is screaming their head off, yeah, you should remove them and go, you know, whether it's a child, you know, is who's young and just, you know, it's whatever happened, or if it's like a, like a baby that doesn't have any control over it you know, you deal with that differently.
00:22:28
Danny Price
But it is sad just to think about, i don't know, you want, ah good I would say a good sign of a church growing is that there's younger people involved and you want, if they don't know what it's like to operate within the church, like you said, and like, hey, this is the time where we listen and the pastor is teaching.
00:22:38
Shane
Yeah.
00:22:45
Danny Price
if there' if If you don't if you don't learn that At some point, you know, if you're separated, like you said, until you're 18, if you never interact with adults in church and you never get to see them worshiping or listening, you're kind of like out of the loop, I guess.
00:22:59
Danny Price
I'm not saying that there's there's anything wrong with Sunday school or youth group. I think that those are huge parts of kids learning, you know, in their age group. That's fine.
00:23:06
Shane
Well, and even also enjoying church, you know, because they enjoy that stuff more, you know.
00:23:09
Danny Price
Yeah. Yeah, and there's maybe maybe more, there's games and teaching, and there's songs that are, you know, a little bit easier to do hand motions with, whatever that is. But if you take completely away any opportunity for them to be in church, and your and your excuse for that is because they're not reverent enough, I'm like, man, you're you're kind of handicapping.
00:23:29
Danny Price
By the time you get to be 18, if you've you know only spent a handful of Sundays actually in church, I mean, you're kind of handicapping the opportunity for them to... feel what it's like to be part of the body. um So anyways, that was an interesting and online debate that
Debate on Children in Church: Presence and Noise
00:23:41
Danny Price
I saw.
00:23:41
Danny Price
And I was, I was agreeing more with the sentiment of have kids in church, even if they're a little bit loud.
00:23:42
Shane
If
00:23:45
Shane
you know where that is, I would love it if you sent the link on that to me. Because as we're entering into this, I would love to kind of read the different things that people Yes.
00:23:54
Danny Price
Yeah, I had just, well, I had just seen on like Twitter or I know what is called X now. Um, someone posted like reposted that church's policy a bunch. And then, you know, obviously everyone jumps in and has things to say or repost it with a different opinion.
00:24:07
Danny Price
So I can look, I can look and I can see if I can find some of that stuff, but yeah.
00:24:07
Shane
yes
00:24:11
Danny Price
Um, I'll, I could Google it right now. just be, it'd take me a second to get to.
00:24:14
Shane
that We can do it later.
00:24:15
Danny Price
So anyways, yeah.
00:24:16
Shane
that's
00:24:17
Danny Price
Um, But yeah, I love the vision. First question that I had just with the the sermon was, so you know, you're talking about Palm Sunday, a little backup. So we're in Matthew 21. um So just a heads up for people who are wanting to follow along. This is from Matthew 21. The question I had,
00:24:34
Danny Price
Was, um what was the reason that Jesus just did not just walk into the city? Why did he wait for this donkey? So he waited outside the city, waited for his disciples to go get the donkey and to kind of announce his arrival. Why didn't he just like go into the city and just like walk into Jerusalem?
00:24:52
Shane
Yeah. um Well, there's a few reasons for it. um The first is that it was fulfilling a prophecy. um He's fulfilling Zechariah 9.9 that says that the king would come on a donkey. Yeah.
00:25:11
Shane
You know, and that and that alone is a huge reason. I mean, you know, this is something I know probably a lot of people at least have an idea of this. But, um you know, Jesus fulfilled at least a very minimum, at the most conservative number that even the most like liberal theologians, um,
00:25:33
Shane
would agree on. he he um he fulfilled a minimum of 48 very specific prophecies. um And most scholars would say a little over 300.
00:25:41
Danny Price
Yep.
00:25:45
Shane
So, you know, from 48 to 300, and even just the week of his death, um he fulfilled prophecy in the triumphal entry, in his betrayal, um and the being silent before his accusers and being mocked and abused.
00:26:04
Shane
um crucifixion details, his death and burial, his bones not being broken, all that. So so one, was it it simply was a fulfillment to prophecy, which is really important for people to understand that he was, um you know, making sure that there was no question about who he was as the Messiah.
00:26:11
Danny Price
Yeah. Yeah.
00:26:28
Shane
um So that's one. But another one that was really interesting but that I did not, I definitely didn't have time with the shorter sermon to get into was a lot of, there are a lot of theologians that would say it was also a direct comparison to earthly kingship where earthly kingship would, you know, have been pride and power.
00:26:54
Shane
um And actually Bruce kind of hit on that. I think last week, ah excuse me, something, something, I drank some coffee in it and went down the pipe.
00:27:02
Danny Price
No, you're fine. You're fine.
00:27:04
Shane
um But it was direct, you know, contrast to that. But there are some theologians like N.T. Wright and some others that actually would say, believe that because it was Passover week, that Pontius Pilate always came during that week, came into Jerusalem as a way to show power um because it was a time that they were worried about Jews' uprising anyway.
00:27:22
Danny Price
Uh-huh.
00:27:28
Danny Price
Uh... Uh...
00:27:34
Shane
um
00:27:35
Danny Price
Okay.
00:27:36
Shane
So he would he so they they've many believe that the the same day that Jesus was entering from the east side on a donkey in a humble way, Pilate was entering, it you know, probably not the exact same moment in time, but the same day was entering on the west side from the west gate.
00:27:48
Danny Price
Huh.
00:27:54
Shane
And he would have been entering with military. He would have been on a powerful horse.
00:27:58
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:27:59
Shane
He would have been displaying those power. So So it was ah definitely a contrast, but it might have been an even like like deliberate exact contrast for what would have been happening from the world's perspective.
00:28:10
Danny Price
Yeah. Huh. Yeah, and and that would have been a huge a huge difference. because Was Pontius Pilate, was his role, um I'm blanking on this, he wasn't king because because he wasn't king of the Jews like Herod was, but he was the governor, like the ruling magistrate.
00:28:28
Shane
Yes, he was a Roman ruleling ruling governor.
00:28:28
Danny Price
well
00:28:31
Danny Price
Got it, okay.
00:28:31
Shane
um you He wasn't...
00:28:32
Danny Price
But still, just ruler. Yeah, the contrast.
00:28:34
Shane
Yeah, yeah he he was... Oh, shoot. I'm sorry. Somebody... Anyway.
00:28:42
Danny Price
No, you're good. No, you're good.
00:28:45
Shane
anyway
00:28:45
Danny Price
Someone's calling. um Cool. um Yeah, I did not know that. That's actually really interesting. Let's see here. Kind of with that, I had another question that was a little bit... This is kind of like... I just was reading it. like, huh, I don't even know if I know what that is. um So it references Zechariah as well. But in Matthew, i'm going to pull up the verse.
00:29:09
Danny Price
In Matthew 21...
00:29:12
Danny Price
Hold on. I got to get to it. ah So this is the triumphal entry. This is Matthew 21. I'll read from verse four. And again, this is just referencing Jesus coming into Jerusalem. This took place to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet saying, say to the daughter of Zion, behold, your king is coming to you, humble mounted on a donkey on a c colt, the full of a beast of burden.
00:29:34
Danny Price
um What is or who is the daughter or daughters of Zion? Because different versions will say daughters instead. um
00:29:40
Shane
Yeah.
00:29:41
Danny Price
I think a different version, we'll say daughters. um what what What is that? And why is that significant? um Because that's obviously referencing Zachariah, like you said, Zachariah 9-9. i don't I have no idea what that is or who that is.
00:29:52
Shane
Well, it's um common. So if you look at the way that's written um in most of the text, you can tell it's ah it's poetic language.
00:30:05
Shane
It's written as a prose. um yeah you know, line by line kind of thing. um
00:30:11
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:30:11
Shane
So it's it's poetic language that Zion was kind of a poetic name for Jerusalem. There was a very very prominent hill.
00:30:20
Danny Price
OK. Mm-hmm.
00:30:21
Shane
There was a prominent hill in Jerusalem called Zion. And over time, it kind of just all Jerusalem became known as Zion, um which there's a, there's a, uh,
00:30:34
Shane
a popular religion in the area that um calls the mountain here Zion because of this, because that.
00:30:40
Danny Price
right Yeah, I know.
00:30:42
Shane
um But ah so it was so because Jerusalem became known as that. And then even honestly, if you're reading through um old Old Testament, there's different places where the entire Jewish nation kind of became known as Zion.
00:30:59
Shane
But daughters is also a common poetic language for a people group. So the daughters of an area, you know, would be a certain people group.
00:31:08
Danny Price
Yeah, sure.
00:31:11
Shane
So basically the Jews, the Jewish nation would have been that.
00:31:14
Danny Price
Got it.
00:31:16
Shane
And then he was quoting Zechariah 9.
00:31:19
Danny Price
You have to wonder why it's not Sons of Zion or Son of Zion. um I wonder if it's just like it's because cities, kind of like ships, or have the female.
00:31:27
Shane
Yeah.
00:31:28
Danny Price
um
00:31:28
Shane
Yeah. I do think it was kind of like that. It was um that when it's individual, it's son most of the time. But when it's when it's the whole group of people, it's it's daughters.
00:31:35
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:31:38
Danny Price
Interesting. Interesting. Interesting. Well, that's cool. Yeah, again, super side, like, little tiny thing. But I was, like, reading that. I'm like, I don't even know what that is. I'm i'm curious.
00:31:48
Danny Price
So thanks for breaking that down. um
Crowd Dynamics: From Celebration to Crucifixion
00:31:51
Shane
Yes.
00:31:51
Danny Price
The next question And this again, i i know it's it' more of a hypothetical. Like I understand and i and I know, but I'm just wondering if you have any thoughts or comments on it. How did people go from, i mean, you know, from what it says in the Bible, it seems likes like it's like the multitude of the city came out and welcomed Jesus riding on this donkey, right?
00:32:03
Shane
Thank you.
00:32:10
Danny Price
Triumphal. Everyone's saying Hosanna, they're laying down their cloaks, they're waving palm palm branches. It's very celebratory. and you're like, wow, this is glorious. and humble at the same time. Like it's this really perfect picture of Jesus. How do people go from that?
00:32:24
Danny Price
Later on, allowing the Pharisees, because again, it says the Pharisees went out in the crowd and riled up the crowd to crucify Jesus. How do they go? um i mean, we're talking within a span of like five days.
00:32:35
Danny Price
How do, or less, honestly. But how does how does a crowd go from that excited of like, Jesus is here, he's coming, and Jesus says even the rocks would cry out if I didn't let the people cry out. How do we go from that to All of a sudden you're like, now everyone's yelling crucify him and give us Barabbas.
00:32:54
Danny Price
How does that happen within the span of five days? I mean, I'm not saying I'm going to do that too, because I'm obviously like a sinner and i I identify with that.
00:32:57
Shane
Yes.
00:33:02
Danny Price
But I don't, it's like I'm trying to wrap my head around I'm like, this seems so confusing to me. Like that's a very, that's a complete 180.
00:33:10
Shane
Yeah, it is. um And it, you know, like you said, I mean, we all would be acceptable to it. it You know, people are fickle, you know, and the the the first part I would say i mean, I think there's layers to it, right?
00:33:25
Shane
But the first layer is, yeah, the fickleness of people is pretty amazing. I mean, look Just look in even the United States and how a ah celebrity can be held in, like, people love that celebrity. And just and then if they do something that people say is immorally wrong or they or they just let people down in some way, everybody turns on them. i They just want their head, you know?
00:33:54
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:33:55
Shane
and so So that's general just kind of a ah general aspect that I just think it's crazy how how easily people turn when someone doesn't meet your expectations.
00:33:55
Danny Price
Hmm.
00:34:09
Shane
And like I said, they their expectation was was this guy is going to free us politically. So you've got to remember by time of his the time of his um crucifixion,
00:34:23
Shane
the week is almost over, you know, the week of when, when it would happen is almost over. So they're like, he's not doing it. You know, he's, he's not who he's, he says he is. So there, there, there really are a lot of people just mad at him. I think that's one layer, but another layer is um that, um you know, he,
00:34:50
Shane
he he upset people in power. You know, um the the Jewish people that had power, he he very much upset. and And people get behind the power, especially people who are are oppressed and feel like they don't really have options.
00:35:11
Shane
um They'll get behind kind of whoever they feel like he's going to win. Right. Um, and so now here's Jesus. He didn't do what he said he was going to do.
00:35:23
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:35:23
Shane
These Jewish leaders are obviously very opposed to him. Um, it's like, well, hey, how long do we keep following this guy who's not going to actually give us political freedom? Or do we get behind these guys who are the guys that kind of run things around here? You know, I mean, almost like you ever see like, in I love the old mob movies, you know, and like these old mob movies, everyone knows this guy, like is a killer. And he, you know, has done horrible things. But he'll come to the big celebrations and give people money and he gives people a lot of money during the weddings and, you know, and, and they they also know he could kill them. So they all just act like they love them, you know, and kind of that they get behind where they think power is. And, um, so I think that was a second thing.
00:36:11
Shane
And then, um, um, shoot the third layer. I did not write it down and, but there, um, I'm, I'm blanking right now, but, um, the, uh,
00:36:20
Danny Price
No, you're good.
00:36:25
Shane
Oh, dang it. um I totally b blanked and I did not write it down, but there was a a third layer that I had in my, in my head besides the expectations and the power. um But, uh,
00:36:42
Danny Price
If you think of it, we can come back to it.
00:36:42
Shane
Damn. It's bugging me.
00:36:43
Danny Price
That's fine.
00:36:44
Shane
Now it's bugging me. um But I really do think that those two things were the, the oh, and then that, okay, that's the other thing. We know that the crowds were chanting crucify, but we don't know what that, how big that crowd was, right?
00:36:57
Shane
I mean, it it it very much could, you know, it could have been, you know,
00:36:58
Danny Price
Yeah, sure.
00:37:03
Shane
500 people. There could have been 10,000 who showed up to welcome them in and 500 that showed up, you know, that were just hanging out there because people would just kind of hang out in that area. But...
00:37:16
Danny Price
yeah
00:37:16
Shane
um And then also, oh, that was the third thing. the Just the frenzy of the moment. You ever watch a mob kind of start? Like, you know, now that you can that everything's video recorded, you can watch things that where people are kind of like normal.
00:37:32
Shane
And then within minutes, there's like a frenzy that happens um because a little something ignites.
00:37:37
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:37:40
Shane
And so you had these... These the people that truly wanted Jesus crucified and a bunch of other people who were just kind of there.
00:37:46
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:37:49
Shane
Maybe they're frustrated with Jesus. They're upset that didn't happen. They're looking at him.
00:37:52
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:37:53
Shane
one Look at this guy. He's not even at all who he said he was. And these other people are just inciting. And I think even one i think one of the, I did not look this up, but one of the gospels actually says they incited them.
00:38:06
Shane
Um, and so, you know, they're just incited to, to start chanting crucify, you know, I mean, they're, they're getting him like, look at him.
00:38:06
Danny Price
yeah
00:38:13
Danny Price
Yeah, sure.
00:38:15
Shane
He didn't do anything you're supposed to. And some people start yelling it and, you know, and all of a sudden shoot, people start doing things and yelling things and whatever, when they don't even know what's going on. Sometimes.
00:38:24
Danny Price
No, I know. There's some kind of... And I know psychologists have like looked into this, but like the crowd, the riot mentality, like like a crowd, it's really...
00:38:30
Shane
Mm hmm.
00:38:32
Danny Price
For some reason, it's like you'll abandon... almost any of your morals or things. If everybody else is also doing, I'm not saying this is a hundred percent, you know, cause obviously there's some things I think we wouldn't abandon, but you'll do way more violent and aggressive things and go along with things that you don't even really understand.
00:38:43
Shane
Yep.
00:38:51
Danny Price
Like you said, if you're happened to be with a a large enough group of people doing all that same thing, it's like, you just like, it's like this crowd mentality,
00:38:55
Shane
Yep.
00:38:58
Danny Price
like this riot, like whatever it is. And it says in the Bible that they were about to riot. So was, and that's why Pilate's like, all right, fine. Which is a whole nother thing, which is really funny too, how no one really wants to take responsibility for Jesus. Like he appears before the Sanhedrin and then he goes to Herod and then, or I think he goes to the pilot.
00:39:14
Danny Price
I can't remember the order. It's like Sanhedrin, pilot, Herod, pilot. Like everyone just keeps bouncing them around because no one's like, I'm actually going to like take control a situation, which is a whole nother thing you can get into on just the weakness of like Herod, for example, and just going, you know, and pilot and and saying, I'm going to wash my hands of this and just completely pass it up.
00:39:32
Danny Price
Like, even though he knew and he even said, I find nothing wrong with this man.
00:39:33
Shane
Yeah.
00:39:36
Danny Price
You're like, okay, so you're just, you know, nothing's wrong. And yet you're just going to completely abdicate your responsibility. So
00:39:44
Shane
Yep. Yeah, that's a whole, I mean, there's there's a whole topic there in just the Friday, the events of Good Friday, you know, even before you get to the cross.
00:39:44
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:39:50
Danny Price
Oh, I know. Yeah.
00:39:52
Shane
I mean, yeah.
00:39:53
Danny Price
Yeah. Which is yeah super interesting. We don't really have time to do that right now. um Last question that I had and just to kind of talk about, you know you drew you you drew this whole picture right of Palm Sunday and then talking about the people wanting a king that would, you know, take care of their needs and desires and demands and fulfill the prophecies as they wanted them to be fulfilled versus what Jesus was really doing in his kingdom.
00:40:18
Danny Price
And his whole, his whole plan was so much bigger than just the Romans occupying Jerusalem at the time.
00:40:24
Shane
Yeah.
00:40:24
Danny Price
um So, you know, and you draw that to like, he has an eternity mindset and we should have an eternity mindset of like, there's more to this life than just what we see.
Adopting an Eternal Mindset
00:40:33
Danny Price
um Do you want to talk about that for a little bit Because I think there's certain people that I've met that have that like mindset, and you're like, wow, that person just like gets it. like Everything they're doing, they're realizing is bigger than what they're doing in that moment. It's like it's got echoes and ripple effects that go on from from now, and then into eternity.
00:40:52
Danny Price
And I noticed, especially when people are like are closer to dying, like you see older people talk and speak and move and do things in a specific way.
00:40:52
Shane
yeah
00:41:00
Danny Price
And you can tell it's like they have this like understanding that like death is coming soon. And they're so much more cognizant, I guess, of like what of like what they're doing in the moment and how much it matters.
00:41:10
Shane
Yeah.
00:41:10
Danny Price
At least to I've noticed. I'm not saying every old person, but just when I've seen people do it, it's just it tends to be older people.
00:41:13
Shane
Uh-huh.
00:41:17
Danny Price
how do we How do we make that mindset? How do we how do we internalize that? and i don't know if you just want to talk about just an internal mindset for a little bit.
00:41:24
Shane
Yeah, well, I mean, you know, and you kind of touched on that, but the old it makes sense that older people are doing it more because... they The older you get, especially if you've been – if you're ah someone who has sought to follow Christ you know and you're getting older, i mean, I would say the older I get, the more I realize – like when I was your age, it was so hard for me not to focus on what was in front of me, so hard for me not to focus on my goals and you know my kids at the ages that they were – even
00:41:50
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:42:00
Shane
like think, oh, you know, what my life will be like in two years, you know, every, you know, three years, five and all all those things. Where now I, you know, would say, and I i don't want to say I'm old, i you know, but I'm definitely getting more where I kind of go, yeah, I have my goals and I i want to accomplish those.
00:42:20
Shane
But man, I i want to think way far more about the eternal aspects of the effects of what I'm doing than I did at your age, um you know, and
00:42:31
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:42:34
Shane
You know, like, like even the church, if I was the lead pastor for church at 32 or whatever, i would be a lot more focused on like, you know, like, well, hey, I'm going to be operating this, leading this church for 25 years. So let's be looking at this plan. but well My whole, the like my main goal for this church, you know, i' i outside of, I just always want to see people come to know Christ is I just want to know that it's in a good place for when I'm gone to outlive,
00:43:04
Shane
me, you know? um
00:43:05
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:43:06
Shane
And, and, you know, and I know I'm going to, still plan on being here for another 10 years, but, but they're even longer, hopefully God willing. But, but I think I'm, I'm much more apt to use the terms God, God willing.
00:43:19
Danny Price
Yeah, right, right.
00:43:19
Shane
it just makes sense that the older you get, if you're Christ focused, you start to see things from the,
00:43:32
Shane
it goes the perspective of it goes far past me. Does that, does that part make sense? Okay.
00:43:37
Danny Price
Yeah, yeah.
00:43:39
Shane
So that's the first part, but you know, the other thing is I do think we can train it in ourselves. There was a song when I was, um I was in the nineties.
00:43:52
Shane
It was called if heaven is a real place. And one of the lyrics was, what if we actually live like heaven exists?
00:43:59
Danny Price
Right.
00:43:59
Shane
And, you know, and it,
00:44:00
Danny Price
Yep. You've mentioned this before. Yeah.
00:44:02
Shane
Oh, yeah. have i Okay. And it's just always been a song that really challenged me. Like I remember in my early faith just going, that's so true. We just don't really live that way. We kind of live just day to day and focus on what's going to happen. And we get so upset about things that happen and, you know, not thinking about the eternity.
00:44:23
Shane
And And I, you know, this is people are to like, that's such a pastor answer. but But I truly believe i you know, I talk a lot about our time, talents and treasures.
00:44:30
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:44:36
Shane
You want to stay heaven focused, invest your time, talents and treasures in heaven, in heaven's Values, you know. um Yeah, when I'm worried about what and boat going to buy next, i'm more focused on I'm more focused on what's happening here.
00:44:54
Shane
When I'm worried about what vacation I'm going to go on next, man, i'm i I have a lot of focus about what's happening here. But when I am investing my money, you know, my my treasures in God's kingdom, then man, my my eternal perspective just changes.
00:45:10
Danny Price
Mm-hmm.
00:45:14
Shane
when When I'm using my time to serve God's um direction and his ways, then then my my mind, everything just begins to focus that way more. So I truly believe the more we align ourselves with in the way, in what God wants, the more we're going to have that focus, you know?
00:45:40
Shane
And I, I believe that even more so than like, Oh, being in the word or prayer. Like I, you know, i fully believe obviously I'm being in the word and prayer, but as far as having that eternal perspective, I, for me, it comes like the fact that I know ah a certain amount of my money that
00:45:48
Danny Price
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:45:52
Danny Price
yeah
00:46:01
Shane
that You know, and how do you say this in a way that's not? um Okay, so this is not in any way to sound prideful whatever. And it's not even, I don't even give that much compared to some. But, you know, I give at a level where I could drive two brand new, beautiful cars.
00:46:18
Danny Price
Right. If I didn't give.
00:46:19
Shane
You know, or I could go on a really super nice vacation every year.
00:46:25
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:46:25
Shane
If I didn't do, if I didn't give the way I give.
00:46:29
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:46:29
Shane
Right. So so that means I know, hey, you know, I don't have these things that i could have, but I have this. I have eternal investment, um you know, and I and I think the same thing with, you know, our time and all that, you know.
00:46:37
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:46:45
Danny Price
yeah
00:46:45
Shane
um So I don't know if that makes sense. But um I do think the more our business,
00:46:49
Danny Price
No, it does.
00:46:52
Shane
we're putting there, you know, Jesus says where your heart lies, that your treasure lies, where your treasure lies there, your heart lies also.
00:46:58
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:46:58
Shane
I mean, it and so is your treasure in heaven or is your treasure here on this earth?
00:47:03
Danny Price
No, it's a really good point. um And I also have to wonder too, or I know, i don't even wonder, but I know, it just just talking about it, of like the way that you treat people and, so yeah you know, especially non-Christians, but even Christians, the way that you treat people as eternal people that are carrying the image of God drastically, it it it completely changes your whole mindset when you're interacting with people because you're no longer saying, you know, going to flip that person off or going to do this or I'm going to just yell at them, whatever.
00:47:28
Shane
Yeah.
00:47:34
Danny Price
Like, it doesn't matter because you're like, man, everything I do, especially if they're not a Christian, is a witness. And I'm not trying to put this overt, crazy pressure on Christians to, you know, it's all on you for a non-Christian.
00:47:46
Danny Price
if theyre If they go to hell, it's because of you. It's because of you. It's your fault. I'm not trying to say that, but i'm but I am saying that people carry eternity. Like people are eternally bound for something.
00:47:56
Danny Price
And if you're looking at it like that, it changes the way that you evangelize to people.
00:47:57
Shane
yeah
00:48:02
Shane
Yeah.
00:48:02
Danny Price
It changes the way that you talk about Jesus. Like if, like truly, if you think about that and like, that's something that I've been working on is like, if you really think about eternity, like it's forever. And like, we can't comprehend that.
00:48:12
Shane
Yep.
00:48:12
Danny Price
And it hurts like your brain starts to hurt and get hot. When you start to think about it you're like, I just don't understand that. But if you think about that while you're interacting with people, especially people who are not believers, you're like, why wouldn't I say something about Jesus?
00:48:25
Danny Price
Like if this is a, if this is ah impacting them forever, why wouldn't I just tell them about like, what's the most important thing about, me you know you know, you know, you know what I mean? And it, it it takes away a lot of the fear.
00:48:33
Shane
Yeah, totally.
00:48:34
Danny Price
Like for example, I think like looking back in high school, there were times where I was afraid to talk to girls and afraid to do certain things because I was nervous about how I would look and certain things.
00:48:46
Danny Price
But now, again, this is a very minor just analogy. But nowadays, like looking at that now, I'm like, man, I was such an idiot.
00:48:49
Shane
Yeah, here
00:48:52
Danny Price
I was 15 years old. Like it had no bearing. If a girl rejected me back then, it has no had no bearing on me today. But back then it was like, that's everything. If I ask this girl out and she says no, i am she says no, I'm screwed.
00:49:00
Shane
it was your life.
00:49:03
Danny Price
Oh my gosh, what am I going to do? And I'm like, what was I thinking? Like, why didn't I try out for more sports? Why didn't I ask more girls out again? I'm not saying that's hear me on this guys. I'm not saying that's what you should be doing. I'm just saying in my mind, looking back, I'm like, I just don't know why. But then again, this is just my life and I'm only 31. I'm like, that was a fifth. That was 16 years ago. And I already am like, my perspective is radically shifted. How much more is it going to shift when you're, um,
00:49:29
Danny Price
you know when you're into eternity and looking back at your 70, 80, yeah, or that or that, or when you're 70 or, you know, looking at your 70 or 80 year old life from eternity, like what, like I'm not saying going look back with all these regrets.
00:49:31
Shane
Old like me. and Old like me.
00:49:37
Shane
Yeah.
00:49:41
Danny Price
I'm not saying that, but live it in such a way that you're, yeah, just telling people about Jesus and expressing it. um Totally a little little bit off topic, but while it's on topic, but just talking about just the reality of hell.
00:49:53
Danny Price
I know this is everyone wants to talk about during Easter.
00:49:57
Shane
Let's
Evangelism vs. Morality: Sharing Faith in Jesus
00:49:58
Shane
close with this one.
00:49:58
Danny Price
but I have to mention this quote because it hit me and it was like, oh, that that was that was such a good quote.
00:49:59
Shane
this
00:50:03
Danny Price
um I was listening to another podcast and this this guy brought up you know talking about hell and he talked about Charles Spurgeon and this quote by Charles Spurgeon. And I wanted to read it. Let me see if I can find it in my tabs.
00:50:13
Shane
I think I know which one you're...
00:50:15
Danny Price
It's a great quote. And I'm like, oh, man. And again, it's just you're you're thinking about the eternal mindset of things. And again, just again, just so not not again to provide this ultimate pressure, like it's all on you to save someone. But just why wouldn't you at least try to bring the bring gospel to them? So this is from Charles Spurgeon. And this is when he talks about salvation. Here's a quote.
00:50:34
Danny Price
If sinners be damned, at least let them leap to hell over our dead bodies. And if they perish, let them perish with our arms wrapped about their knees, imploring them to stay. um
00:50:43
Shane
Can I...
00:50:43
Danny Price
just a really powerful quote. Like it's hard not to get emotional, like reading that, like if people are going to choose to separate themselves from Jesus and spend eternity without him, I mean, that's, it's up to them.
00:50:55
Danny Price
Um, but let them again, let them ah leap to hell over a dead bodies. Like let us put, do everything in our power to evangelize and to bring the gospel to them.
00:51:05
Danny Price
Um, again, not with this pressure, like it's all on us, but let it, let our attitudes just exemplify what Jesus did. So i don't know if you want to add anything to that, but yeah, go ahead.
00:51:13
Shane
Yeah, I want to. This is why and I'm not saying we shouldn't be involved in politics. I'm not saying we shouldn't be involved in issues. But this is one of the reasons that I am. I get frustrated with evangelical Christianity in today's culture, because I feel like we get so involved in preaching on issues And when I say preaching, like out in the public, you know, not necessari necessarily in the church, like you know, but, but out, you know, like, oh, we got you this person or that issue, but but that we expect people just to understand
00:51:55
Shane
why we feel so passionately about an issue. And if they don't know Jesus, first of all, it doesn't matter what they think about that issue. um And I feel like sometimes we're where we we get so wrapped up in that, that we forget Jesus.
00:52:13
Shane
to just talk about Jesus. We talk a lot more about things that we believe Jesus would would think or feel and and and want us to do and vote the way we want them to vote. but but But man, a lot of those same exact people, i don't hear them talk about their faith to people.
00:52:32
Shane
I don't hear them talk about Jesus to people.
00:52:32
Danny Price
Hmm.
00:52:35
Shane
And I'm not saying everybody, yeah there's not not everybody fits in every category, but
00:52:35
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:52:40
Danny Price
Right.
00:52:41
Shane
You know, at at least, especially when I was your age, man, growing growing up, the whole religious right thing, um it really it really tainted me towards just how much people were willing to just get in the face and yell at everybody that, that,
00:53:02
Shane
you know, didn't live a Christian life that didn't even know Jesus. How in the world we expect people to not know Jesus and live a Christian life?
00:53:07
Danny Price
that didn't know Jesus. Yeah.
00:53:11
Shane
So, um yeah, so the key is sharing Jesus. I feel like, man, if we shared Jesus, if we just made sure we shared Jesus all the time, I think it'd be a lot, we'd have a lot less of this stuff we're having to fight politically and whatever.
00:53:25
Shane
So anyway, that's my things.
00:53:26
Danny Price
No, total no, a hundred percent. No, that, that was, that was great. Yeah. You can't, you can't, morality people into heaven or, but or behavior, modificate people into heaven.
00:53:35
Shane
Yeah.
00:53:38
Danny Price
That's just not, that's just not the way, it that's not the way God set it up. um
00:53:41
Shane
yes Yeah. A lot of people buy into morality gospel instead of Jesus gospel, you know?
00:53:42
Danny Price
And
00:53:46
Danny Price
yeah.
00:53:47
Shane
Yeah.
00:53:47
Danny Price
Yeah. And don't get me wrong. You know, your morals and your life will look different when you follow Jesus, but, but Jesus comes first. You don't more moralize yourself into being a better better person.
00:53:54
Shane
Yeah.
00:53:57
Danny Price
And then Jesus will then come into your heart.
00:53:58
Shane
Well, and I i can challenge – I'm going to use this to challenge a lot of parents right now. Well, I'm going to use this to challenge the nine parents that are listening to us. Are you going to be – if your kid – okay, I'm going to do the extreme.
00:54:15
Danny Price
Okay, here we go.
00:54:15
Shane
If your kid grows up – and has has a good marriage, raises two or three morally good kids, that your kid is a moral kid, you know that they, they and they live, ah and they make ah they make a good living, and they enjoy their life, and they're are you going to be as happy about that?
00:54:39
Shane
Which are you going happy about, that? Or if you've got a kid who who you know loves Jesus, but financially is always struggling, go you know for whatever reason ends up going through a divorce, can't keep a job very well, um maybe even wrestles with a few other things. Which which are you going to be happier with?
00:55:02
Shane
um And quite frankly, now obviously I went to the extremes.
00:55:02
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:55:06
Shane
Hopefully the person who loves Jesus is not going have a messed up life like that.
00:55:06
Danny Price
Yeah, no.
00:55:09
Shane
But I've known a lot of people in the church that I feel like Honestly, they just care more about their kids' morality than they – and I'm not saying they do – I'm not saying I'm right. But it feed the the what the what they talk about to their kids and the thing the things they impress upon their kids, it it feels that way. And I think a lot of kids are growing up in the church feeling like their parents just want them to be moral more than their parents want more than anything in the world for them to know Jesus.
00:55:42
Danny Price
Yeah, no, that's that's so that's so that's so crucial. um Because again, culture and everything favors just being polite, being don't be be seen and not heard be go along,
00:55:54
Shane
Yeah.
00:55:57
Danny Price
be as Don't rock the boat in any way. And that that's the best way to be a good kid. And yeah.
00:56:02
Shane
Yeah.
00:56:03
Danny Price
And then go on to have a comfortable, safe life. And yeah, of course, but as parents, you want your kids to do to do well in this world.
00:56:10
Shane
you
00:56:10
Danny Price
um But man, if it's at the expense or it's in an opposite, yeah, an opposition to being a Jesus follower and to loving the Lord and being and being a Christian, I mean, man, that's nothing can compare to that.
00:56:14
Shane
Instead...
00:56:26
Danny Price
So Good reminder. That's all I had for the, for the podcast. So it's probably pretty good place to end anything else you want to, you want to add last minute.
00:56:36
Shane
No, that was fun. Good stuff. like We kind of covered a lot of different ground.
00:56:40
Danny Price
No, no, I know we're all over the place.
00:56:41
Shane
Good to be back.
00:56:42
Danny Price
Yeah, no, it's good to have you back. But yeah, let's all, let's all go out. And again, just in lieu of, or not in lieu, in preparation for Easter, just as we have all these people that we have, again, people listening to opportunity to invite, um,
00:56:58
Danny Price
just thinking about that quote of like, let her let them perish with their arms wrapped about their knees. Let's let's try to invite people to Easter. Let's try to you know, even if it's not Easter, good grief, just get to know people in your life and, um,
00:57:10
Danny Price
you know I would rather you not come to Easter service and not be there and not invite anybody, but be actively in your community talking to people about the gospel rather than just get them into church. Because again, church is not going to fix everything for them.
00:57:22
Danny Price
It's going to be a relationship with Jesus.
00:57:23
Shane
Yeah.
00:57:24
Danny Price
And again, them seeing you model that going to be more important, I think, and especially in the short term than them just getting them into the church building.
00:57:28
Shane
Yep.
00:57:31
Danny Price
so
00:57:32
Shane
Yep.
00:57:33
Danny Price
Anyways, awesome, guys. We will talk to you guys next week after Easter. Probably will be a shorter, just kind of like recap on Easter, just to talk about a little bit. Because again, the sermon is going to be shorter. So appreciate you all.
00:57:44
Shane
Yep.
00:57:44
Danny Price
And yeah, we will see you guys.
00:57:46
Shane
I hope to see you Sunday.
00:57:47
Danny Price
Yeah, hope to see you guys Sunday. All right, take care.
00:57:49
Shane
All right.
00:57:49
Danny Price
Bye-bye.
00:57:50
Shane
that