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Colossians | The Supremacy of Christ Episode 32
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In this episode, Danny and Shane discuss Colossians 1 and review the Trinity and the concept of Grace and Once Saved Always Saved.
Verses on God's Grace
- Ephesians 2:8–9 – “For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.”
- Romans 5:8 – “But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.”
- Titus 3:5–7 – “He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit
Verses on the Trinity
1. Deuteronomy 6:4 – “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.”2.
2. Isaiah 45:5 – “I am the Lord, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God.”
3. Matthew 28:19 – “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.”
4. 2 Corinthians 13:14 – “The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.”
5. John 1:1–3 – “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him.”
6. Colossians 2:9 – “For in Him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily.”
7. Philippians 2:6–7 – Jesus “being in the form of God…emptied Himself.”
Verses supporting Once Saved Always Saved (More of a Calvinistic belief)
1. John 10:28–29“I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father…is greater than all, and no one can snatch them out of the Father’s hand.”
2. Romans 8:38–39“Neither death nor life…will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus.”
3. Ephesians 1:13–14Believers are “sealed with the Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it.”
4. Philippians 1:6“He who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.”
5. 1 Peter 1:3–5 *believers are* “kept by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.”
Verses Supporting Conditional Salvation (more of an Arminian belief)
1. Hebrews 6:4–6 “…it is impossible for those who have once been enlightened…if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance.”
2. Hebrews 10:26–31“…if we deliberately keep on sinning after receiving the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left…how much worse punishment will they deserve?”
3. Matthew 7:21–23“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom…only the one who does the will of my Father.”
4. Galatians 5:4“…you who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.”
5. Revelation 2–3 Letters to churches: “Repent…or I will remove your lampstand.”
6. 2 Peter 2:20–22“…they have escaped the defilements of the world…if they fall back…their last state is worse.”
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Transcript
Introduction and Sermon Insights
00:00:32
Danny Price
everyone, welcome to episode 32 of the Table Talk Discussions podcast. I'm Danny Price and I'm here with Shane. We're going to go over this um this last week's sermon.
00:00:43
Danny Price
Shane, first of all, before we get into questions, was there anything that didn't make it into the sermon or anything in your, I don't know, prep that you wanted to mention or anything that you wanted to highlight from the sermon?
00:00:56
Shane
Um, the only thing that, uh, I didn't go very far into the idea of Jesus being holy and blameless and why that was important. Um, um, I don't think we probably have time today to go too far into it.
00:01:06
Danny Price
Okay.
Old Testament Sacrifice and Jesus
00:01:12
Shane
So maybe that's even another topic, but, um, You know, i if if someone's never read the Old Testament and they only are just going off of, you know, one what they've read in the Gospels or, what you know, what they've had presented, then they they don't fully understand the importance of that, um that that God required
00:01:33
Danny Price
Hmm.
00:01:37
Shane
a a perfect sacrifice and that the Old Testament was filled with the priests, continually making these sacrifices for the sins of the people. um So, you know, that that was something that i you know, was like, well, one of those like, well, should we go more into that?
00:01:57
Shane
But time-wise, you know you never know. But um but ah
00:02:00
Danny Price
That's a lot. There's a there's a lot of depth to that too.
00:02:02
Shane
yeah, so it's a lot of depth. But I do think it's, for someone who's never looked at it, they should probably, that's something they should look into of, you know, what the Old Testament required.
Jesus as Substitute and Lamb of God
00:02:14
Shane
to pay for sins and how Jesus, the the whole Testament was pointing to the coming Messiah who would do this and how Jesus paid the price that now is paid forever so that we no longer need, need temples and all all that.
00:02:22
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:02:33
Shane
So there's a lot there, but um you know, that's something I think is worth a ah dive for people.
00:02:35
Danny Price
Yeah. Yeah. That's a big dive. And it's that specific thought has come under fire a little bit recently just with, um,
00:02:49
Danny Price
the word that people use to describe that is the whole idea of like penal substitutionary atonement. Basically Jesus is our substitution. Like we, he stands in our place and takes the penalty that we deserve. But there is a little bit of debate about that. The one thing that I have would highlight about that too, if people are curious is,
00:03:10
Danny Price
The whole idea of Jesus being the Lamb of God, and I think this is kind of what you were talking to because we talked about this. What was that on Sunday? You mentioned this. But just a reminder, I think a lot of people will use the term Jesus is the Lamb to kind of, it's almost a caricature of Jesus being this super sweet, gentle creature and like super lovey.
00:03:31
Shane
Yeah.
00:03:33
Danny Price
And kind of missing the point that when the Bible, wrote like when John the Baptist says, behold, the lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world, he's referring to the Old Testament.
00:03:39
Shane
Yeah.
00:03:41
Danny Price
He's not saying, oh, behold, the cute, cuddly lamb, that that's Jesus.
00:03:45
Shane
That's a great point. Yeah, I hadn't even thought about that.
00:03:48
Danny Price
He's not saying that. it It frustrates me when people say, well, Jesus is lamb. And it's like, well, kind of, but why is he a lamb? Like, what's the significance to that? So anyways.
00:03:57
Shane
Yeah, no, that's a really that's really a point.
00:03:58
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:03:59
Shane
I wasn't thinking about that confusion that people get into.
00:04:04
Danny Price
um Okay, let's see
Understanding the Trinity
00:04:06
Danny Price
here. We're going to conquer one of the hardest questions of theology today. What is the Trinity? um So you talk about, I guess, to back up. So in the sermon, you're talking about Jesus as as as God, and we'll get into that. But I did want to just notate the Trinity and maybe have have you just kind explain it a little bit.
00:04:29
Danny Price
excuse me, from a lay from like a layman, from like a normal person's perspective, why is the Trinity important? Like, why does it even matter? What is it? And why, for it seems like every time there's some kind of heresy, it or even in different religions, it starts to attack the integrity of what the Trinity is.
00:04:46
Danny Price
And people will really try to prove that Jesus is not God.
00:04:46
Shane
Yeah.
00:04:48
Danny Price
So maybe give us an overview of what that is, and then kind of we'll jump into some of those questions.
00:04:53
Shane
Okay. Well, an overview of the Trinity is basically that it's the, the, the God is one, but in three persons, um, he has three distinct persons that still make up one. And that is the father, um, the son and the Holy spirit. And, uh, um,
00:05:13
Shane
that's really hard for us to wrap our minds around and we make up all these kind of, um, little analogies and comparisons, but none of them really hold true to what the actual Holy spirit. I mean, what the actual Trinity is.
00:05:28
Danny Price
Right. Yeah.
00:05:28
Shane
So, um,
00:05:32
Shane
you know, what we have to understand at some level, you know, that you actually said it in one of the questions last week, you know, the idea of if God is someone I can fully understand and comprehend, then he's not much of a God.
00:05:43
Shane
And that we, we have to accept that, that God is beyond our realm and he's beyond our understanding and, you know, and then accept at some level that,
00:05:44
Danny Price
yeah
00:06:01
Shane
I mean, the Bible teaches the Trinity. It teaches the about the Father. It teaches about the Son. And it teaches about the Spirit. And there are passages that point to all of them as being...
00:06:15
Shane
being God. So, um you know, I mean, ah i don't, I didn't write the actual verse, the scriptures down, but some references, John 1, 1, but i mean, that was easy.
00:06:17
Danny Price
Right.
00:06:27
Shane
In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God. um you know um You know, and then in Colossians, as we just read through, point to Jesus.
00:06:39
Danny Price
Yep, yep.
00:06:41
Shane
um You know, we have Jesus, the Great Commission. He ah tells us to go into the world baptizing people in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
00:06:51
Shane
What would be the point of that? Why are we doing that if they're all not equal? um So there's, i mean, there's lots of places. um But that, and why it's important for us to believe it is because it's what the Bible teaches, you know. um So, yeah.
00:06:51
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:07:09
Shane
You know, that that would be my beginning answer. why don't you if you have some comments and I can we can go further.
00:07:14
Danny Price
Yeah. i'll First of all, I'll look up, i already pulled up some of those verses before to look at this, but I can put some of those verses in the description so people are are curious.
00:07:25
Shane
That's great.
00:07:26
Danny Price
We're not just pulling this out of our, pulling this out of a hat and just going, and yeah, just take our word for it. We'll pull some scripture. I think the hardest part for a lot of people, and i've i've listen I've listened to some people, even people that are LDS debate this because this is a common this is a common argument between people who are LDS and and um like creedal Christians, like traditional Christianity is, there's a lot of debate on the Trinity. And something that a lot of people will point out is the word Trinity really isn't even the in the Bible.
00:07:54
Danny Price
And this is kind of a, this is a doctrine that has been taken from what scripture says. And, but but because the word Trinity isn't in the Bible, a lot of Christians are actually surprised at that. They're, I think I was surprised at that. um And I just learned about that a couple months ago, but yeah.
00:08:09
Danny Price
I think that would be the biggest confusion is why is it, why is this even debated? Because it seems like it's obvious. I guess, why why do people try to attack this? What do you think, like the the nitty gritty, like.
00:08:21
Shane
I think the biggest reason is because I think the biggest reason is because it's too hard for us to wrap our heads around. Um, but, um, you know, and like, like you said, it's not, the word isn't used in the Bible, but the point is the word is just a way for us to not have to say ah hundred words.
00:08:28
Danny Price
Right.
00:08:42
Danny Price
Sure.
00:08:42
Shane
You know, it's, it's a summation of, of the doctrine.
00:08:43
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:08:46
Shane
Um, it's a summation of all these passages that point to it.
00:08:47
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:08:50
Shane
Um,
00:08:53
Shane
So, you know, there's just so many verses that point to ine equality maybe between the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit, and yet also a submission. But, but um
00:09:09
Shane
you know, you just can't really get around it. But I really think the biggest reason for the argument is because it simply is very hard for us to grasp as, you know, as humans.
00:09:09
Danny Price
Right.
00:09:22
Danny Price
Yeah,
Jesus' Dual Nature and Death
00:09:23
Danny Price
I would agree. I would point out, too, there's a fancy word called modalism, which, if you've heard before, it really just means that it's ah it's a belief about the Trinity that it's three different people, like three different gods. And so a lot of the metaphors or the ways we try to describe the Trinity is actually a form of modalism, which is false, which I don't think Christians should believe. You can Google it and kind of get a better answer than what I'm going to give now because I wasn't like prepared for this, but If you've ever heard someone say, well, the Trinity is like water.
00:09:53
Danny Price
Like it can be steam and it can be ice and it can be like liquid water.
00:09:57
Shane
Yeah.
00:09:58
Danny Price
And that's not an accurate depiction of the Trinity.
00:10:01
Shane
Yep.
00:10:01
Danny Price
So if you've ever heard people try to use those things, and that's what Shane was saying earlier, is that ultimately all of our abilities all of our try, trying all of our tryings to get this, you know, communicated across, it just falls short.
00:10:14
Danny Price
Like it's, it's all these attempts.
00:10:14
Shane
Yeah, they all have come about.
00:10:16
Danny Price
It just doesn't, it's one of those things we can't quite wrap our minds around. ah But don't fall into some of this, like, I wouldn't say, I guess it's a type of heresy, but don't fall into some of this ill thinking, this wrong thinking of,
00:10:30
Danny Price
Well, it three persons means it's like three representations of the same person or or three different three different gods because we don't believe in three different gods. believe but We believe in one god.
00:10:41
Danny Price
Again, Google that if you want a little bit of of a better better definition. But i've I've noticed a lot of people, and I used to do this too because you know when I was a kid, like you hear all these these metaphors and you kind of just fall into that.
00:10:52
Shane
Yeah, because you're you're trying to understand it.
00:10:53
Danny Price
And that's not...
00:10:54
Shane
You're trying to make it make sense in your human mind.
00:10:55
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:10:56
Shane
And which I get that. I think everybody at some point, you know, when they start to dig into it, that's where they turn it first, you know, um until they dig even further into it And then they realize, no, that that doesn't really hold water.
00:11:10
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:11:12
Danny Price
Yeah. Yeah. And there's different creeds that, what is it? The Athanasian Creed, however you say that, it goes into this and it's incredibly, you can you could Google that too. It's incredibly wordy and long, but it tries the best it can to depict what the Trinity is. And it it's very repetitive. So if you ever read it, you're like, oh my gosh, it's so it's not a short one like the Nicene Creed. It's a very long one.
00:11:37
Danny Price
But I was reading through that and i was like, oh my goodness. It does a good job at explaining like God is God the Father who is also God the Son and God the Spirit. But at the same time, God is not the Son and God is not, or or the Father is not the same thing as the Son and not the same thing as the Holy Spirit.
00:11:52
Danny Price
They're distinct, different persons. And it just bends your brain. You're like, what in the world am I reading?
00:11:56
Shane
Yeah.
00:11:58
Danny Price
It's it's incredibly hard to understand. So um I guess just moving on, why is it important um that when Jesus came, that he was fully God and fully man.
00:12:10
Danny Price
And why does that kind of tie in with what we were talking about in Colossians with him being the head of the church? Can you kind of walk us through a little bit of that?
00:12:16
Shane
Yeah. Well, if he wasn't fully God, he couldn't have been fully perfect. Only God is perfect.
00:12:22
Danny Price
Right.
00:12:24
Shane
Um, But if he wasn't fully man, he wouldn't have experienced everything that the human experiences. He wouldn't he wouldn't have had the full human experience. um So, you know, and then plus,
00:12:45
Shane
the sin did require the death of of a life, of a of a of a living being. um so you know, if he was only spirit, which some, you know, there are some that try to claim that, oh, he was the only spirit, um that it wouldn't have covered our our sins.
00:13:00
Danny Price
yep.
00:13:05
Shane
it it It doesn't make sense with the consistency of the scripture and what it teaches. So he needed to be fully man as well as fully God. um So that's, you know, some, just a a piece of why that's important. But the second reason why, and I, you know, it goes back to us, just that idea that we have to hold scripture up.
00:13:29
Shane
That's what the Bible teaches. The Bible teaches he is Emmanuel, God with us.
00:13:31
Danny Price
Yeah. Right.
00:13:33
Shane
um You know, i mean, Paul, I i feel like Colossians, this passage really does a great job of you know, explaining why it, you know, is important at some levels. um So, you know, I mean, it's all throughout scripture and, um you know, you know, his temptation with Satan, it wouldn't have been temptation if he, if he wasn't fully man. So, so all of those things.
00:14:03
Shane
um But yeah, got any other thoughts on that?
Jesus and the Church
00:14:06
Danny Price
Well, yeah, before we move on, um I guess it's not a thought. It's more of a question. ah it It has confused me, and I think it has confused other people. Maybe no one's... you have You guys listening haven't thought of this, but I know people in the past have brought this up as a question.
00:14:23
Danny Price
what How does... how does it make sense that God could die? Because technically God didn't die. It was Jesus who is also... Sorry, I'm throwing this on you. This is not one of the questions. But I think this is something that is difficult. is It's like Jesus paid the price for us. He...
00:14:40
Danny Price
He died on the cross and then he he was resurrected three days later. And that's such a core part of the gospel. Like our entire faith falls apart if we don't believe that. But then did God die? a lot of you know a lot of people will say, well, and based off of certain verses in the Bible, well, God didn't die. His spirit went down into hell and beat and conquered death and took the keys from hell.
00:15:01
Danny Price
to deliver us, but his, but he bodily died. And like, we have to believe that to believe that he was resurrected, not that he was sleeping or like in some like coma, like state, but that's a very odd part of like theology.
00:15:15
Danny Price
And our belief about the Trinity is like, can God die? Like, how does that make sense? I guess, you want to, you want to try to tackle that or even talk about that for a second?
00:15:23
Shane
Well, that, man, that's a big one.
00:15:25
Shane
um
00:15:25
Danny Price
Sorry.
00:15:25
Danny Price
Sorry.
00:15:25
Shane
But i won't I guess I'd say this.
00:15:26
Danny Price
that I kind of sprung that on you.
00:15:33
Shane
Jesus, the man, died at that point.
00:15:37
Shane
the The flesh died. um
00:15:37
Danny Price
Yes.
00:15:40
Danny Price
Yes.
00:15:41
Shane
I don't believe he had a spiritual death because God cannot cease to exist.
00:15:46
Danny Price
Correct.
00:15:46
Shane
um
00:15:47
Danny Price
Okay.
00:15:47
Shane
I believe,
00:15:50
Shane
hum I do believe that, when Jesus cried out to God um on the cross, that at that point, he experienced the full weight of all sin and experienced in some way, in some unexplainable way, for even if it was a brief moment,
00:16:17
Shane
the separation from God the Father. um
00:16:23
Danny Price
Interesting. OK.
00:16:24
Shane
you know um And and not probably not, I don't think it was the full separation, um but you know that oneness, because he was bearing yeah because he was bearing that sin that oneness,
00:16:38
Danny Price
Something happened there. Yeah.
00:16:44
Shane
was was disrupted at some level.
00:16:47
Shane
um You know, and i that's that's definitely, that part right there is my, the one like that, of that whole question you would just ask, that's the part that I would really want to ask God.
00:16:47
Danny Price
Got it.
00:16:56
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:16:58
Shane
Like what what did happen to Jesus' spirit at that moment?
00:17:00
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:17:03
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:17:03
Shane
Because he definitely cries out in a way that, you know, makes you you, know, I think the writer, you know, the writers are wanting us to understand that there was ah a spiritual agony there, not just a physical one.
00:17:19
Danny Price
Yeah, because he says, my God, my God, why have you forsaken me? And then later on, right before he dies, he says, it is finished.
00:17:22
Shane
Yeah.
00:17:25
Shane
Yeah.
00:17:26
Danny Price
So something' something serious is going on there, and it's not it's not something that I don't, again, in our short form podcast, our medium form, we're getting longer and longer, but our medium form podcast that we can really unpack completely.
00:17:35
Shane
Yeah.
00:17:40
Danny Price
i Again, sorry, that was that's a question you might need some time to prepare.
00:17:40
Shane
Well, yeah, I mean, that would be a whole question.
00:17:43
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:17:44
Shane
Yeah, that would be a whole question. mike Mike Winger would spend four hours on that.
00:17:47
Danny Price
I just went, Yeah, no, he probably, he probably would, honestly. I, he honestly might have a video on that or somebody else does. Um, anyways. Okay. Um, the, the other part of that question we didn't really get to was just why is it important that Jesus is the head of the church?
00:18:03
Danny Price
Um, and what does that kind of, what does that mean? Is that just like a honorary title? what what What does it mean that Jesus is the head of the church? Christ is the head of the church.
00:18:11
Shane
Um, you know, the, the real basic is that he's the leader, but, um, um, you know, i think it goes further than that.
00:18:22
Shane
Um, he, uh, hang on. I have a note that I made. let me, I'm sorry.
00:18:30
Danny Price
No, you're good. Pull it up. No, i don't want you to say the wrong thing and mess everything up. Ruin our podcast.
00:18:36
Shane
Yeah. Um, so, uh,
00:18:43
Shane
that that it's not just he's a leader but he's he's um he governs the church you know um like he's the protector of the church you know because he also talks about the church as his bride you know so that and that role of a husband to protect the bride so but the head is the covering right um so it's
00:19:04
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:19:06
Shane
It's more, it's not just like, I think a lot of times people just think of the head as like, oh, all the thinking, right? But it's also the covering. He covers the church um literally with his blood, right?
00:19:15
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:19:18
Shane
But, um ah um I mean, 1 Corinthians 12, you know, talks about how we are the body and we're we're members of the body that he's the head.
00:19:31
Danny Price
Yes.
00:19:35
Shane
And part of that is ah there's different there's different passages, and this is one of them, that kind of point to the idea that that the church is not an or it's not an organization. it's It's like an organ an an organism. It's a living organism. And, you know, without connection to the head, it it dies.
00:19:35
Danny Price
Got
00:19:54
Shane
So, um you know, that... um So when, when Christ isn't the center of the church, the church gets off, it gets off course.
00:20:07
Shane
It gets outside of almost the protection, right? We just, we end up distorting the gospel. We end up getting focused on legalism. We end up, um you know, getting outside of God's law and not, you know, not obeying.
00:20:22
Shane
We, we, get we take all these wrong turns all over the place whenever we're not centering on him. So, um,
00:20:29
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:20:30
Shane
You know, I mean, that I don't know what direction you're going with the question as far as why, but you know that, would you know, does that answer your question, I guess?
00:20:38
Danny Price
No, it totally does. Yeah. I was more just, it it's, it says that a lot of different places in the new Testament that Christ is the head.
00:20:43
Shane
yeah. Okay.
00:20:45
Danny Price
And I think sometimes we can just read through that and go, okay, sure. Yeah. Christ is the head. And it it doesn't really register with us what that means. So that was perfect. The way you explained that, that was perfect, especially about the members. I think that's important too, is we're all members of the body, but Christ being the head, he's the leader. The church is not, like you said, it's not a religious organization that operates freely from Jesus. Um,
00:21:09
Danny Price
which I could go into a whole other thing about the Catholic church. I don't want to do that. I want to that later on a different thing, but what does that mean? Anyways, we'll move on. um Actually a little bit. I said that, and actually we're going to get back into that.
00:21:21
Shane
Yeah, no problem.
00:21:21
Danny Price
um So when it, I got, I'm trying to figure out the best way to say this. So it's clear. I don't want to make this confusing.
Denominations and Unity in Christianity
00:21:32
Danny Price
So Jesus is the head of the church.
00:21:35
Danny Price
If that's the case, why do we have so many denominations and schisms or break-offs from the church? Wouldn't—and again, I'm just posing this as like a rhetorical question—wouldn't Jesus have just kept us all together as one church?
00:21:49
Danny Price
Are all these different forms of traditional Christianity—are we all worshiping the same Jesus? And when I say that, I'm talking about different denominations within the Protestant tradition and then Catholicism and Orthodox— Is Christ the head of all these denominations?
00:22:04
Danny Price
And is it a problem that we have these? Or is really just Protestantism, which is our tradition, is that the is Christ the head of that church and not the other ones? Does that make sense? I know that's a really big thing to swallow.
00:22:14
Shane
Yeah. Yeah. um And that's, it's a question you'd get a lot of answers to. um
00:22:14
Danny Price
That's why I was trying to be careful of how I said that.
00:22:21
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:22:22
Shane
But I believe it's a mix of reasons. I think one reason is is pride and and sin. Well, sin, and you know, pride is a sin. But, um
00:22:33
Danny Price
Sure.
00:22:35
Shane
you know, I do think there's a there's a human element to it that that you know we we mess things up. um In a perfect world, which someday we will have, we will all be one, not divided by anything, worshiping Christ. um But here on earth, there is a level where were're were our pride's gonna get in the way. But on top of pride,
00:23:04
Shane
um You know, it'd be, I think we all at different points wish that the Bible was like just this list of here's exactly what you do Here's exactly what you believe.
00:23:13
Danny Price
yep.
00:23:17
Shane
You don't move from that. Um, but it's not. And because it's not, God did create us with different passions, different, um,
00:23:28
Shane
ways of reading things and seeing things. And so it leaves, there's a lot of room for interpretation within an umbrella of, of doctrine. And, um,
00:23:41
Shane
So I would say all those churches that you're talking about, they all hold to that umbrella of doctrine. yeah they all We all hold to Christ as the Trinity, we all hold to that. We all hold to you know heaven and hell. um We all hold to the doctrine of sin, you know all these things.
00:24:03
Shane
And as long as you are in that realm there's lots of ways that we can interpret. And i mean, which is exactly why we have a podcast like this, why we, we talk about stuff, you know?
00:24:14
Danny Price
Yeah, right. right
00:24:17
Shane
So when, when that happens, people are going to want worship and, you know, a way that they feel very passionate about, or, um, you know, they have a conviction for,
00:24:34
Shane
And so some of it is based on that. we We break off, not necessarily out of pride, but out of ah out of passion and conviction. um Now, I still think there again, in god in God's perfect world, in his second coming, right, that'll never happen because instead, there would be, we would work it all through and figure out a way to do it all perfect, right?
00:24:59
Shane
Because we're under under that. But... um
00:25:02
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:25:04
Shane
But in today's world, you mix pride with conviction and passion, and we we have these break-offs. And most Christians within those break-offs can still pray with one another,
00:25:17
Shane
Give each other hugs in Christ and and share, you know, a meal together and know that we all love each other and we all love Jesus. um
00:25:26
Danny Price
yeah
00:25:26
Shane
There are some that get even their pride gets way too involved with it and they they want to cut cause actual division with it. But that's not the case most of the time
00:25:37
Danny Price
Got it. Okay. Yeah. ah That's a, again, that was a lot to unpack. um I think that's just been something that I've not considered, I guess, but just wrestled with recently is a lot of these traditions, like, especially like, you know, like Catholic and Orthodox, you know, Christianity have been around for a long time. It had been in existence for a long time.
00:25:58
Danny Price
Now, that doesn't necessarily mean that they're correct, but it's just, it's interesting to me that we believe that Christ is persevering, but like, you know the perseverance of the saints and that God is keeping his church going.
00:26:13
Danny Price
And it's hard for me to go, well, yeah okay, he's keeping his church going. So does that, does that mean that it's wrong that we have all these splits or is that a good thing? Because we're happy, we have different interpretations. It's not as clean cut as someone who's me, who's very type a, like, you know, type of personality. i'm like, I wish it was just so easy. And there was just the church and it was really simple.
00:26:33
Danny Price
Um, so it's, it's, it's an interesting topic. I just wanted to hear your thoughts on that. So that was, that was good.
00:26:38
Shane
Yeah, no, and it it is very inch interesting.
00:26:38
Danny Price
Um,
00:26:39
Shane
And I do think it is a stumbling block for some people.
00:26:42
Danny Price
totally is it totally is i know people personally that struggle with this just because and i think it's a reason for some people that they're not a christian is because there's no clean cut like well it's only this denomination is right and if you fall into that then you end up being almost like tribalistic of like well the only correct denomination is lutheran or episcopalian or whatever it is whatever mainline denomination or and
00:26:52
Shane
Yeah.
00:27:07
Danny Price
It's hard. It's hard because I think you want to stand with your convictions and stand on good doctrine. But you and I would argue against certain doctrines that the Catholic Church holds, for example. But at the same time, i recognize that they have some beliefs. And we like you said, we share things.
00:27:21
Danny Price
um So it's difficult. um And again, I have very firm conviction about, for example, you know, like scripture alone and how we use the Bible and like what Mountain View stands on, for example. the doctrine that we have.
00:27:33
Danny Price
And it it seems like it's very clearly scriptural, but again, I think other people would have just as deep of convictions and come to a totally different conclusion than I do, which is hard. and that's And it's hard that it's not super clean cut, because you would think that it would be, or at least in my mind, I would think that would be it would just be easier if it was that the that was ah that was the case, and it was just one, everyone follows the same thing, and it's all tied up and nice and with a bow.
00:27:57
Shane
Yeah, but, and I guess what i would I would say to that is, I think even if the Bible was, like I said, we're just this list and whatever, we would still figure out a way to kind of mess it up.
00:28:09
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:28:10
Shane
And that's where I think there is the human element of it.
00:28:10
Danny Price
Human.
00:28:13
Shane
I think, you know, some of some of it is we just, now I will say yes The Bible teaches that, you know, we are one church, one. what Remember I said we're an organism, not an organization.
00:28:29
Shane
It never teaches that there will only be one organization. um So, you know, I think there are ways, there are. in in ah in the most godly fashion, there is room for that, right?
00:28:43
Shane
There is room for different ways to worship, um different emphasis in preaching or, you know, being more involved in outreach or, you know those those kinds of things.
00:28:56
Danny Price
yeah
00:28:56
Shane
um But, you know, we also don't want to get so far over in one little area that we forget the rest.
00:29:04
Danny Price
Right. And we did go over the EFCA, which which is our doctrine, which falls in line with pretty much most Protestant Christianity. In case anyone's curious of like, what are the essentials?
00:29:15
Danny Price
I would have you guys go back in our podcast. It was kind of towards the beginning when we started this, that we went over that.
00:29:19
Shane
I think it was the very beginning, wasn't it?
00:29:21
Danny Price
we did know there was a couple we we finished with was it Ephesians Galatians there was one series that you were in the middle of that we finished and then that was pretty much kind of where we started with the
00:29:30
Shane
Oh, and then we went into that. So it was like episode four or five.
00:29:34
Danny Price
Yeah, something like that. So if you guys want to go back, but if you're curious about like, what is our doctrine that we stand on that are kind of the non-negotiables, the first tier, first rank issues, I would say kind of go to those and that'd be a good place to start.
00:29:45
Shane
Yeah.
00:29:47
Danny Price
um Sorry, that was a was a big question. And I think we could spend a ton of time on that, but we can move on. I was just curious what your what your thoughts were on that. um All right, moving on to an even easier question.
Eternal Security and Salvation Assurance
00:30:01
Danny Price
We're going talk about once saved, always saved. um So we're conquering some stuff today. um And again, i apologize to our listeners if you're wanting us to go even deeper. We might have to dedicate like a full episode to some of these things. This is, again, a brief overview from what we can talk about in a little bit of a shorter form. um We're trying to do you know scripture justice by talking about this stuff. But in Colossians and in the message, you kind of made some allusions to the security of our faith. And I was just curious where you stood with this.
00:30:33
Danny Price
what are your thoughts on once saved, always saved? And what is the, what does that mean? I guess maybe give some background and what are like the different, the different beliefs or the different um worldviews on that?
00:30:44
Shane
Well, the two extremes will be Calvinism and Arminianism, which we've talked a few times about. But um um Calvinism would say that that you cannot lose your salvation at all.
00:31:00
Shane
Arminianists would say that you can.
00:31:01
Danny Price
Right.
00:31:03
Shane
um And then I would say that most believers... probably lean more towards a Calvinist or reform view.
00:31:13
Shane
Um, but maybe not all the way. Um, and, uh, you know, I used to,
00:31:18
Danny Price
OK.
00:31:24
Shane
even though I would have said my theology was a little bit more Arminian, I, I would definitely did not lean towards you could lose your salvation. Like that you could lose it by sinning, you know?
00:31:35
Danny Price
Got it.
00:31:35
Shane
Um, and, and actually an Arminius would not really say it that way. So, um, we'd have to look it up to really get into what their actual view, how they say it.
00:31:40
Danny Price
No.
00:31:44
Shane
But, um, so if you want even do that, feel free. But, um, the, uh, But the Calvinist would say that, you know, because God is omniscient, i omniscient.
00:31:58
Shane
Did I say that right?
00:31:58
Danny Price
No, that's right.
00:31:59
Danny Price
Yeah, that's how I, I mean, that's how I see it.
00:32:00
Shane
Yeah, okay. Yeah, it is.
00:32:01
Danny Price
So I hope that's right.
00:32:01
Shane
It's right. I just, ah my I'm thinking it through too much. I'm overthinking it. um the Because he's omniscient, you know, he is sovereign and he is over everything. And so, hum you know, if when he calls you,
00:32:20
Shane
to himself, he's he's not going to make a mistake on that. You know, it's not like lets you go. Um, so, you know, um, that would be the extreme view. Um, so then the question, the i guess the practical level is what does that just look like for us? Right. What do you, what do you do with the person who, um, goes to church for years, serves as a missionary,
00:32:46
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:32:46
Shane
um does all these things, and then just totally walks away from their faith? um
00:32:52
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:32:52
Shane
You know, that's, I think, the hardest part of that question.
00:32:57
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:32:58
Shane
But, um you know, that, um you know, so the full Calvinist would say, well, that person just was never a Christian. Their focus was on...
00:33:07
Danny Price
Yep.
00:33:07
Shane
um was on behavior modification and morals, and um you know they never truly gave their life over to Christ, um and or they're just backsliding for a while, and eventually they're gonna return.
00:33:18
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:33:23
Shane
um
00:33:24
Shane
you know And then full Arminianists might say, no, they actually, they made a choice to walk away from God's grace.
00:33:24
Danny Price
Interesting.
00:33:35
Danny Price
Yeah. Okay.
00:33:36
Shane
Um, so, you know, and I, my view is if they ever really understood God's grace, there's just no way you would do that.
00:33:43
Shane
Um, so, um, yeah, so don't know if I answered it. There's that once again, you're asking one of those questions that we're talking about.
00:33:43
Danny Price
okay
00:33:48
Danny Price
No, that's that's good.
00:33:52
Shane
I've got a volume 700 pages on my, on my, uh, shelf that covers this. ah
00:33:59
Danny Price
Yeah, I think the breakdown, I think, just again, just to kind of frame this for everyone so that they understand, um this isn't like a, well, there's a scriptural view and then a non-scriptural view.
00:34:10
Danny Price
I think both sides of this argument of whether you can apostatize or become an apostate and and depart from the faith versus if you're secure no matter what, I think is
00:34:14
Shane
Yeah.
00:34:21
Danny Price
people are trying to draw these conclusions and have drawn conclusions, I guess, for both sides from scripture. I don't think this is like a part from scripture. I think it's hard. Um,
00:34:32
Danny Price
I think this is a hard issue because of that. I think there's some issues that are cut very cut and dry, um like who like who is marriage for, for example, or what is marriage, and you know the Bible outlines it pretty clear, or should you steal? And the Bible outlines that really clearly, and this is one of those things that's not as clear, and I think you can be a Christian, and I think Shane would you would say the same thing too. You can be a Christian and believe both of these things.
00:34:53
Shane
Yeah.
00:34:53
Danny Price
I do think...
00:34:55
Danny Price
It introduces a lot of complexity. and and And that's part of the second part of this question I wanted to talk about is just there's a lot of doubt with believers. And I think Hannah is a great example. My wife, um she's someone that just has a naturally guilty conscience.
00:35:06
Shane
Yeah.
00:35:08
Danny Price
And I guess that's where I wanted to take this a little bit more was. When you have a guilty conscience and you're thinking about these things, like, am I truly saved? It's a big question. And it's it's the the most important question, I would argue.
00:35:20
Danny Price
um And so I think a lot of people are confused or wondering, first of all, if you're even, whether you're a Calvinist or an Arminianist or whatever, you know, and I guess whatever side of this argument you take, because Calvinism or Arminianism, excuse me, there's a lot more to that than just one saved over so always saved.
00:35:38
Danny Price
There's a ton of but different things with those theologies.
00:35:40
Shane
Yeah, that's just one small part.
00:35:42
Danny Price
It's a small part of it.
00:35:42
Shane
Yeah.
00:35:43
Danny Price
But regardless, you still have to deal with this fact of, am I safe? Because if you're an Arminian, you might say to yourself, well, what if I apostatize? What if I fall away? And it puts a lot of pressure on you to keep faith.
00:35:56
Danny Price
And if you're Calvinist, you might be like, oh I feel like I have faith now, but what if it's not what if it's not real? And I think it there's these, I mean, honest honestly, I think it's the devil. I think it's Satan sneaking in and just you know attacking us.
00:36:10
Danny Price
So Shane, I guess kind of just like the kind of drive this point home, I guess where I'm trying to go with this is what would you say to a believer that's struggling with their salvation and their assurance?
00:36:20
Danny Price
What would you tell them regardless of where they land on this issue? What would you say? Hey, you you're secure. any And if you have faith, you're secure in your salvation with but Jesus. Like what would what would you tell that person that's just wrestling? They have a guilty conscience. They're struggling with this.
00:36:34
Shane
Yeah. um but Real quick, was it wasn't it Hannah that actually turned this question in?
00:36:41
Danny Price
No, no one turned this question in, but we talked to me and Hannah.
00:36:42
Shane
Oh, because she sent me a text about this, and I assumed she talked to you about it.
00:36:43
Danny Price
Oh,
00:36:46
Danny Price
oh good grief. No, she didn't.
00:36:48
Shane
yeah
00:36:49
Danny Price
Babe, what are you doing? Babe, you need to send in questions. What are you doing?
00:36:52
Shane
and That's funny. Anyway. um Yeah, yeah, I'm looking back. She sent it to do me on Sunday.
00:37:00
Danny Price
Ah, Hannah.
00:37:00
Shane
Anyway.
00:37:01
Danny Price
ah I love you, babe.
00:37:02
Shane
um i and And just because it would be because it was her, I just assumed she talked to you about it.
00:37:03
Danny Price
I'm not trying to call you out.
00:37:07
Danny Price
No, she didn't.
00:37:07
Shane
So,
00:37:08
Danny Price
i just i Sorry, I just had this... We're on the same wavelength. That's how much I love you, babe.
00:37:11
Shane
yeah. yeah
00:37:12
Danny Price
See, we're on the same wavelength. don't get Don't get mad at me for calling you out.
00:37:17
Shane
So, you know, you kind of said it. Both sides, no matter how you see this, if you have an insecurity about it, it's easy to start questioning. You know, um yeah you're just going to question it differently.
00:37:32
Shane
The thing that i um yeah actually, even with Hannah, I try to, you know, have had those conversations when she was growing up and everything that, you know, questioning your faith or
00:37:32
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:37:48
Shane
wondering about your salvation doesn't lessen your faith or, and and it doesn't lessen your relationship with God. Right.
00:38:00
Shane
If anything, it hopefully just does convict you to lean more into your relationship. You know, now, because you can go both ways with that, right?
00:38:12
Danny Price
yeah
00:38:13
Shane
You can start getting more cynical, more questioning, more all those things, and then eventually move away. Or you can start going, yeah, I i feel like I'm questioning. I feel like i I should be digging more into it. Um, you know, and there again, I go back to any relationship, right? I mean, you can do that with your spouse. You can choose to keep questioning and start second guessing and, and not talk to the spouse about it. And then eventually you have no relationship or you can say, man, I'm not feeling very connected to my spouse. I'm going to lean into that. I'm going to figure out how to connect.
00:38:49
Shane
Um, and I think the same thing goes with our relationship with God. Um, we're going to question, um, at times, you know, I have times where I'll read stuff in the Bible and I'm like, man, do I believe this?
00:39:02
Shane
You know, um, I'll, uh,
00:39:02
Danny Price
m who Sure, yeah.
00:39:06
Shane
You know, I have questions of, you know, even like even the the Trinity, things like that. There are times where I'll go, but but how or what? You know, i and and when I do, I could either feel bad about that or I could just pray about it and kind of go, God, you know my heart.
00:39:24
Shane
You know I'm struggling with these things. And I just, I want to have more faith. That kind of whole like, I believe but help me in my unbelief thing. um
00:39:33
Danny Price
Oh, well, that's a great passage to bring up.
00:39:33
Shane
You know,
00:39:35
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:39:35
Shane
Yeah, so, because I think that's what you're getting at, right? I mean, that they we have these different views, but ultimately, on a practical level, a believer just wants to know that they're assured that they have a walk with God, right?
00:39:52
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:39:55
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:39:56
Shane
And so, you know, i think it's how you choose to work into those questions, you know? That's going to show, in the end, you know, Because in the end, it doesn't matter which view is right. What matters is, do you have a relationship with Jesus?
00:40:13
Shane
So when you have those questions, which way are you going to lean?
00:40:13
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:40:17
Danny Price
Right. No, that's a great point. you're you're you're Your questions, your confusion should always lead you more towards God, more towards scripture than away or trying to get out from underneath that.
00:40:27
Shane
and And real quick, let me let me yeah say one more thing.
00:40:28
Danny Price
And I think... Oh, go ahead.
00:40:32
Shane
That's where I feel like we do a disservice in the church sometimes.
00:40:35
Danny Price
Okay. Okay.
00:40:37
Shane
We, a I think sometimes we don't make a safe place for people to ask those questions or for people to share there their lack of faith or their
00:40:44
Danny Price
Interesting.
00:40:49
Shane
there times when they feel like they're wavering. I feel like we need to be a place where we can have those talks and those conversations and not hide with them.
00:40:59
Shane
So.
00:41:00
Danny Price
Yes. No, i agree. And that's hard part, too, because even though we sometimes we fight against it, it's still I think people still feel less than.
00:41:11
Danny Price
if they have doubts or have struggles. And regardless of whether it's faith or not, whether it's other things that you're, that they're struggling with, like maybe they're struggling with lust or greed or whatever it is.
00:41:13
Shane
Yeah.
00:41:21
Danny Price
It's we live in a culture and maybe this is just the way that Satan works and sin works, but we, we want to conceal and we want to cover it and we don't want to expose it. And as soon as you expose things, it's crazy how much power all that loses. As soon as you talk about your,
00:41:36
Danny Price
your doubts with someone else. It's crazy how much your internal monologue and Satan has just been lying to you. And you can't ultimately, you can't trust your heart and you have to deny yourself and listen to scripture. But it's crazy. As soon as you start to verbalize those things, or if you've been struggling with a sin, as soon as you verbalize it and talk about it, it's crazy how much power it loses.
00:41:55
Danny Price
um So again, so if you're listening to this practically for you, um Find people that you trust and talk and talk to them about these things if you're struggling or if you have a sin or whatever it is in your life and notice how much power it loses right away.
00:42:09
Shane
Yeah.
00:42:10
Danny Price
um i'll link I'll link a couple verses in the description about just the assurance of believers. And I think... um I don't want to get out from a scripture here, but I think it's pretty simple. You believe the gospel, you put your faith in Jesus and you repent and believe. I mean, that's, that's kind that's, that's, that's it. Like, that's what, that's what having salvation looks like from from a believer's perspective. Regardless of whether or not you were regenerated by the Holy spirit before, know,
00:42:37
Danny Price
before time started by Jesus, or if you, you know, if you're an Arminian, if you believe that you have the free will, regardless, that's what you do and you just believe.
00:42:40
Shane
Yep.
00:42:45
Danny Price
Um, so for those of you struggling, I'll, I'll link some verses just about the assurance of a believer, um, wherever you stand on this. And I think you can just have faith and trust God. Um, and you know, to seek, to seek to know him more and seek to follow him. And I think, i mean, that's what you do.
00:43:00
Danny Price
Um, and you just, you just love God. So, I kind of want to just to wrap this up, just kind of a an ending question for this. Is there any sin that's too great for you to be able to have salvation? What about what do you what would you tell someone that's attending Mountain View or another local church here in and Utah that feels like they want to be a Christian, but they're like, my past is just too bad. I i did this, I did that, or I still struggle with these things. What what do I do? can i Am I too bad for salvation?
00:43:26
Shane
Yeah, that's, I think a lot of people struggle with that. um You know, um and none honestly, those are my favorite people to talk to.
00:43:36
Danny Price
Huh, that's sweet.
00:43:38
Shane
Because I just, my favorite thing that to watch is someone be set free from shame.
00:43:47
Shane
um You know, because I feel like people carry a lot of shame, even a call, even in a culture that tries to pretend we shouldn't have any shame. We still carry it because we know what's right.
00:43:47
Danny Price
Hmm.
00:43:57
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:43:57
Shane
We know what's wrong. um
00:43:59
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:44:00
Shane
You know, the spirit convicts us of these things. And so, you know, I point to first John one verse seven, this says the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin.
00:44:11
Shane
um You know, and then even in two weeks, or is it this? none Yeah, to next not this Sunday, but next Sunday, Colossians 2 verse 13 says, having forgiven us all our trespasses by counseling the record of debt that stood against us, nailing it to the cross. um So, you know,
00:44:33
Shane
if anyone knew a lot of sin, i mean, Paul was one of them. He actually like literally persecuted the church.
00:44:39
Danny Price
ah
00:44:41
Shane
um
00:44:41
Danny Price
Murdered Christians, yeah.
00:44:42
Shane
Yeah. Murdered Christians, um you know, and in just all throughout the Bible, we see all these people that, you know, I mean, we're not redeemable in society's eyes and yet Jesus redeems them.
00:44:56
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:44:58
Shane
And I think that, you know, it's such a, such a blessing of hope for people to just know that you're forgiven.
00:45:08
Shane
And one thing that, you know, that, uh, I remember God really showed me probably about 20, little over 20 years ago, I used to kind of believe that, you know, well, I've sinned too big, even though i was a believer, I'm like, well, I've sinned too big.
00:45:24
Shane
God doesn't want to hear from me right now. God doesn't really want me. I got to, I got to kind of earn my right back into his presence. And i don't, I'm not, you know me, I'm not one that claims it like God told me and all that a lot, but I, I truly believe I heard
00:45:32
Danny Price
Oh, yeah.
00:45:38
Danny Price
Sure.
00:45:41
Shane
like the voice of God as clearly as I've heard it, kind of just just that saying, like, Shane, I want you right now. I want you to come to me right now.
00:45:48
Danny Price
Wow.
00:45:49
Shane
And, um you know, it's a whole the whole story of the prodigal son, right? um
00:45:54
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:45:55
Shane
That it doesn't matter what you do, that he's right there. And he's he's not just willing to accept you. He's running to you. He wants you with him.
00:46:05
Danny Price
Yeah. Oh, that's really cool. Yeah. If you start really thinking about it, it's hard not to get emotional, just thinking about God's grace and how just horrible we are. And yet God's love covers a multitude of sins. Um, it's really cool.
00:46:21
Danny Price
Uh, again, it's so hard. I keep encouraging people to go to the Bible, but please go to the Bible and read about these things about God's grace. Um, I'll try to see if I can link some verses down below about just,
00:46:32
Danny Price
God's grace and what he does for us and what he did for us on the cross.
00:46:36
Shane
Yeah.
00:46:36
Danny Price
It's, it's not just something that happened. It's something that's still happening in your life as a believer. So awesome. Really cool place to end that.
Shane's Personal Request and Conclusion
00:46:45
Danny Price
Anything else you want to mention but before we, before we close?
00:46:48
Danny Price
I know that was a lot of, that was a lot of stuff.
00:46:48
Shane
Just fill well real quick, totally off topic, but um just I'm asking everyone to pray for me. I mean, you can tell my voice is back having problems again. And it it is getting to a point where i'm it's pretty frustrating. Yeah. Um, uh, I'm, I actually went to a specialist today looking at maybe the possibility of an operation that might help. Um, yeah, I just need, uh, I could really use some prayer cause it, it's, uh, starting to, starting to wear on me.
00:47:21
Shane
So, um,
00:47:22
Danny Price
Yeah, no. I can tell, especially just... I get to see you a little bit more often, and I think it's tough because it affects your personality in ways that I think you realize, but even like outside of... like church and other things, just like in the family dynamic, I feel like it's frustrating because you're not that you, how do I say this?
00:47:40
Danny Price
I'm not trying to be rude, but you enjoy talking and you enjoy being part of the conversation.
00:47:42
Shane
Yeah. Yeah.
00:47:44
Danny Price
And I think it's hard when you feel like you can't, because again, your voice is so much, it's so much part of that and you feel voiceless.
00:47:48
Shane
yeah
00:47:50
Danny Price
So that's tough.
00:47:51
Shane
ye
00:47:51
Danny Price
um So yeah, if you guys are listening, please be praying about that. um And then again, just to wrap up from this is you know this is This podcast, we had some big discussions on some things.
00:48:03
Danny Price
If you're curious about lot of this stuff, reach out to Shane. You can reach out to me. I'm a little bit less knowledgeable than Shane is and have a little bit less resources. But these are some big questions we're tackling. And so if you're curious or want some more follow-up, um I know Shane i would love to um sha and I would love to follow up with you guys on that and talk more about it or just wrestle through wrestle through things.
00:48:22
Shane
I say you, you, yeah, but you sell yourself too short too. You're, you're more knowledgeable than you give yourself credit or.
00:48:30
Danny Price
I'm knowledgeable. I just, I want to be careful because there's, so there's some of these things that I myself am still trying to figure this out.
00:48:34
Shane
Yeah. And I get it. You don't want to go like, Hey, come see me.
00:48:36
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:48:37
Shane
But you know, but, but you can, you can talk to Danny.
00:48:38
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:48:40
Shane
Danny has good, good stuff too.
00:48:43
Danny Price
We got some cool podcasts coming up. We're going start doing some special episodes coming up here. Not a hundred percent sure on the timeline of that, but keep, keep posted on that. um We will see you guys next week.
00:48:53
Shane
Oh, by the way, real quick.
00:48:54
Danny Price
Oh yeah, go ahead.
00:48:54
Shane
um Thanks for posting that podcast of with all your links.
00:48:59
Shane
um That was good.
00:49:00
Danny Price
Oh, yeah.
00:49:00
Danny Price
did you what did you I didn't even ask you about that. I just did that impromptu. What did you think about that?
00:49:04
Shane
Yeah, I just listened to it and I thought your descriptions of all of them were good. i mean, I probably listened to about five or six of those guys. And yeah, and I was like, yeah, that's a good way of saying it.
00:49:12
Danny Price
Okay.
00:49:15
Shane
And i think it's just good. It was good to kind of, because you're talking about them a lot. So now it's out there for people.
00:49:21
Danny Price
Yeah, I feel guilty sometimes throwing people these references of this thing I listened to once, and I'm like, I kind of want to give people the opportunity to... to go through that. And Shane, if you ever want to do that too, um, you could just go on and whatever your resources are too. Cause I know you have a a different, um, but how would you say that a different diet of materials that you take in and different people that you listen to.
00:49:43
Danny Price
There's some overlap, but there is difference.
00:49:43
Shane
Yeah. Yeah.
00:49:45
Danny Price
So anyways, awesome guys.
00:49:45
Shane
yeah
00:49:48
Danny Price
Appreciate you all listening. Um, again, I'll keep pushing it, but pass this on to your friends. Um, and then again, Although Hannah supposedly had a question. I didn't get any questions this week. So this is all from my brain. So if you're wondering why the questions were especially bad, that was because it was all for me.
00:50:04
Danny Price
um But yeah, if you guys have questions, please please put them in Be thinking about it on Sunday as you're listening to the sermon. um And then yeah, all that stuff. Rate us on Apple Podcasts.
00:50:16
Danny Price
you know All that stuff helps out. So appreciate you all. And we will see you guys again same time next week. All right. Bye-bye.
00:50:22
Shane
again. Bye.