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Colossians | Kingdom Building Episode 38
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In this episode Danny and Shane discuss Kingdoms, Repentance, Addiction, and living under God's Authority.
Scripture - Colossians 3
Books
Living in Christ Presence - Dallas Willard
The Life You've Always Wanted - John Ortberg
Resources
Covenant Eyes https://www.covenanteyes.com/
Ever Accountable https://everaccountable.com/
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Transcript
Introduction and Podcast Overview
00:00:31
Danny Price
everyone, welcome to episode 38 of the Table Talk Discussion Podcast. I'm Danny Price and I'm here with Shane. We're going go to go over the sermon, so if you haven't listened to that first, just for more context, it probably would be helpful to do that. Like I like i always say, we're going to get into stuff that you know having that background of the sermon will really help, but it's not completely necessary. But there are going to be some questions that are directed towards the sermon that it's not gonna make any sense to you guys if you haven't already heard it. So if you haven't, check it out. It's on YouTube under MBF Church. You can watch it there. You can also listen to it on our podcast, which is on all the, you know, all the channels, Apple, Spotify, all that stuff under MBF Church as well.
00:01:13
Danny Price
And Shane, remind me what was the sermon titled? I totally am spacing.
Sermon Reflection and Heart Attitude
00:01:17
Shane
um Building kingdoms or kingdom building, actually kingdom building.
00:01:18
Danny Price
Building, kingdom building, right? Kingdom building. So before I get into my questions, just wanted to ask you, is there anything that you're studying, didn't make it in? is there anything that you're like, I wish I would have said that differently or reiterated or elaborated on?
00:01:31
Shane
Well, definitely a lot that didn't make it in. Like I didn't, I didn't go into any, any of the details about what these different attitudes and sins that Paul's talking about, like, you know, cause we could have gone on a rabbit trail with any of those things, you know, like, What does he mean when he says sexual immorality or evil desires or covetedness, you know, or malice?
00:01:52
Danny Price
Right.
00:01:52
Shane
And so we didn't go into any of it. um Quite frankly, I still probably don't think it's even for today's purposes. It it doesn't really help. I feel like those there it's all stuff that I purposely didn't cover because I feel like it's It's kind of all stuff that people can look into.
00:02:10
Shane
And I wanted i really wanted to focus on the overall theme of of the attitude of our heart um and you know what that looks like.
00:02:16
Danny Price
right
00:02:18
Shane
So we we didn't dig into any of that.
Sermon Delivery and Audience Context
00:02:21
Shane
But other than that, not really.
00:02:21
Danny Price
Nice.
00:02:23
Shane
um But as far as things I i wish I would have said but different, um the only real thing that I, you know, because always afterwards go, oh, you know how...
00:02:36
Shane
did I say that or why did I go there was I
00:02:40
Danny Price
Oh,
00:02:43
Shane
i was was actually because you you made fun of me after um after church because i did the the part where I talked about our identity um and you know so for the for the listeners David and Danny their favorite thing to do after the sermon is just find some little thing I did wrong and then mock it
00:02:48
Danny Price
I was yeah joking.
00:02:55
Danny Price
Uh-huh.
00:03:05
Danny Price
The most obscure little thing.
00:03:05
Shane
yeah
00:03:06
Danny Price
Well, not mocking, just teasing. gentle Gentle teasing with with love.
00:03:11
Shane
Gentle teasing. No, i um I'm giving them hard dough. But you were right, because I did go back and listen. So throughout the theme of the sermon, I think I was pretty clear that, you know, we're talking about Christ followers. We're talking about people who follow Christ. But I did did get into that idea of like, you know, you are chosen, you are holy, you are beloved.
00:03:33
Shane
But I didn't specify there that, hey, if you are a Christ follower, if you are someone who's given your life to Christ, this is your identity.
00:03:41
Danny Price
Right.
00:03:43
Shane
And so they were kind of teasing me like, so one minute he's like, everybody's chosen, everybody's holy, everybody's beloved, but you need to repent.
00:03:43
Danny Price
Right.
00:03:52
Shane
and
00:03:53
Danny Price
so
00:03:53
Shane
and So, yeah, I know.
00:03:54
Danny Price
We were having fun.
00:03:57
Shane
Yeah.
00:03:58
Danny Price
Yeah, I wasn't even going ask that question because I knew like where you right where you stood on
00:03:58
Shane
i i know I know.
Audience Engagement and Question Submission
00:04:02
Danny Price
that, but yeah, yeah that's fun.
00:04:02
Shane
I know you weren't, but I did listen to it because you did, when you brought it up, i was like, I said that, didn't I? And then I went back and listened, at least in the 10 o'clock service, which is the one that we record or the one that we put up.
00:04:11
Danny Price
Oh, right.
00:04:13
Shane
I didn't, I didn't specify it.
00:04:13
Danny Price
i was actually goingnna I was actually going to ask that, totally unrelated um to this but what you were just saying before that. I was thinking of asking this. Now that we have three services, do you find there's even more variance between your sermons in terms of things that you like, maybe the first service you're like, you hit on it, and then later on you're like, it's spaces.
00:04:32
Shane
Oh, yeah, no, I told, they're not three different sermons.
00:04:32
Danny Price
or yeah How does that work? how does that I mean, is that hard with public speaking? Do you feel like you're giving three different sermons? Yeah.
00:04:39
Shane
I think someone who, there are sermons I've given it. Someone else who's listening might feel like, man, that they're very different. But for me, it's not because i I do have, I have almost all that in my notes, but I do kind of choose like what I'm going to use, you know, um
00:04:57
Danny Price
Right.
00:04:57
Shane
And then like time-wise, I pay attention at the time.
00:05:00
Danny Price
Mm-hmm.
00:05:01
Shane
And at first service, I was like really cutting close to get something get into something at the end.
00:05:06
Danny Price
Mm-hmm.
00:05:07
Shane
I'll cut more of the middle out so that I have time to get to it better, you know, at the end. um And in 1130, you know, if for those of you that go to the 1130, you just get the, ah, I don't care.
00:05:19
Danny Price
There's pressure to be done.
00:05:19
Shane
i can get out of here when I want. Yeah. yeah
00:05:23
Danny Price
there's no there's no pressure but to be done
00:05:25
Shane
Hey, I hate to do this, Danny. I got to go grab some water. So let me just grab my water.
00:05:29
Danny Price
No, you're good. No, you're good.
00:05:31
Shane
I'm sorry.
00:05:31
Danny Price
Awesome. Gotta to stay hydrated. um But yeah, again, just reminding you guys as he's grabbing water to grab, just listen to the sermon if you haven't. And then just again, while just to hit this up you know every single week, I was able to get a couple questions from
Understanding 'Jesus Plus Nothing' and Repentance
00:05:48
Danny Price
listeners. But I really would encourage you guys, there is no barrier to entry to asking questions. for I'm just talking but not about questions. I was telling people there's no barrier barrier to entry to asking questions.
00:05:58
Danny Price
I got a couple from some listeners this week. but Again, just reminding you guys, it's so fun to talk about what you guys are actually thinking about. So if you're a completely brand new to Mountain View and you listen to this podcast and this is your first episode and you're like, what is this?
00:06:12
Danny Price
We love to take questions from the audience, from people that are listening from the sermon, you know depending on what it is.
00:06:18
Shane
A congregation.
00:06:18
Danny Price
and The congregation, I shouldn't say i a shouldnsi audience. I have an audience, I guess, but it's it's not yet.
00:06:23
Shane
Yeah, yeah, the people listening are an audience. And well, and actually that is true because ah like you said, there are people who go to other churches who are listening to the podcast, but they can always listen to the sermon online beforehand if they want.
00:06:32
Danny Price
I hope, yeah. Exactly, exactly.
00:06:36
Shane
So good point.
00:06:36
Danny Price
So all to say, please don't don't feel at all disheartened or weird by asking questions, especially even if you're like, well, this is super complicated or it's not complicated. Like we'll take any question on the spectrum in terms of how long it takes to get dig into.
00:06:51
Danny Price
So just reminding you guys. And then you can do, there's a, you know go on the church website and just email admin at mbf.com.
00:06:53
Shane
Yeah, good point.
00:07:00
Danny Price
And you know just ask it there. And it'll get it'll trickle down to us. Or I'm guessing most of you guys have a mutual acquaintance with us. You can get our number. Just text us directly. So anyways, moving on. So questions that I had for this week.
00:07:12
Danny Price
um So we had a little small group last night with some friends. And Kind of the question that came up was just the general of, can you walk through the the complete, like there's a, seems to be a little bit of like a, not a dissonance, but just like a difference between last week's sermon and this week's sermon where last week it was like, it's just Jesus, Jesus plus nothing, nothing equals everything. It's great. And then this week it's like, repent, repent and believe. um And obviously, you know, you talked about being chosen and, you know, holy, all that too, but it seems like there's a, there's a distinction. Can you just talk about, talk about why it would seem like there are two different messages and how they're actually kind of the same message?
00:07:45
Shane
Yeah. And, you know, honestly, with Paul in general, people get this wrong a lot. Like, you know, because Paul talks so much about um they were saved through grace alone i mean and then through Christ alone and all that, you know.
00:07:57
Danny Price
Yep. Yep.
00:07:58
Shane
And then they want to go, well, James, you know, if you read James, there's there's works involved with your salvation. and and And it can be, especially, you know, at the...
00:08:04
Danny Price
Yep.
00:08:06
Shane
um I hate to say it this way, but like the novice level of reading the Bible, you know, when when you're just getting into it, it can really, it can really feel that way.
00:08:11
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:08:15
Shane
And I totally, I totally wrecked recognize that. I remember really struggling with all that. um But, you know, what Paul and what the Bible is trying to get across, i don't want to say just Paul, what the Bible is trying to get across, what God wants us to see, is it,
00:08:31
Danny Price
Yeah. Hmm.
Living in God's Kingdom: Present and Future
00:08:35
Shane
It's not that we give our life to Christ with caveats that, hey, if you're, okay, that's great if you're going to do that, but here's what you have to do in order to do that.
00:08:48
Shane
You know, that, we don't have this list of things we have to do in order
00:08:48
Danny Price
yeah
00:08:53
Danny Price
m
00:08:54
Shane
to walk with Jesus, like, or to accomplish before we can get to a certain level of a relationship with Jesus. And, and that's what we're trying to get across when we, when we talk about it's Jesus plus nothing.
00:09:03
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:09:05
Shane
Like, like Jesus never says like, well, you didn't keep the Sabbath on Sunday. So, Hey, Hey, Hey, no, no, no, no. You don't get to pray. Don't come praying to me. You didn't, you didn't keep it this Sunday.
00:09:16
Shane
um You know, or you didn't give, so don't you you got wait when you give enough, then you can come to me, you know, or then you've reached some level.
00:09:18
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:09:24
Shane
And that's what we're trying to get across is that the law is not something that we have to do in order to enter into the presence. OK, I'm going to go Old Testament bit.
00:09:37
Danny Price
No, please do
00:09:38
Shane
um In the temple, right, you had the veil that separated the Holy of Holies um from the holy place.
00:09:41
Danny Price
do. Mm-hmm.
00:09:47
Shane
And for the the the the part where God's presence dwelt was separated from everybody. i think And the only time the priest could even enter into that area was was once a year. And it was it was after many sacrifices have been made to to atone for the sins of the people. And then even then, he he would still have to go in. and And his purpose of being in there was literally just to atone for sins. And And it took that, it took this this need to to make it everything right before you could be in the presence of God.
00:10:25
Shane
And when Jesus died on the cross, that curtain was torn in two.
00:10:26
Danny Price
Mm-hmm.
00:10:30
Shane
And the whole point of that was to show us that now, literally, there's nothing that separates. We can just walk into the presence of God the moment the At in any moment, the moment we we choose to do that, we're there and he's fully with us.
00:10:48
Shane
So that's what we're trying to get across when we say Jesus plus nothing equals everything. Now, but then you get into passages like the Sunday where Paul says, hey, you need to put to death all these other things.
00:11:02
Shane
What he's saying is,
00:11:03
Danny Price
hmm.
00:11:05
Shane
our attitude of our heart should be thankfulness, right? I mean, all through chapter one and two, we we see
Biblical Themes and Literary Parallels
00:11:12
Shane
this, we should have this thankfulness of heart. And because of that attitude and that thankfulness in our hearts, we should have a desire to live with Christ. like Like if you would have told the Old Testament Jews, the faithful Old Testament Jews at least, that, hey, you have the ability to be in the presence of of God,
00:11:35
Shane
Or you can just do whatever you want and live. You know, the faithful ones would have, would have been like, are you kidding me? You can be in the presence of God. We're going to go and be in the presence of God. And, and we're going to be, we're going be as close to him as we possibly can.
00:11:45
Danny Price
yep. Yeah.
00:11:48
Shane
And that, that should be our heart. That should be our attitude. and and when you are close to God, you just naturally start to see, hey, all these other things, those are leading to my to death.
00:11:59
Shane
those Those pull me away from all the things God wants from me. So so it's just ah an attitude of our hearts, not this thing that I've got to do this, I've got to do this.
00:12:03
Danny Price
yeah
00:12:09
Shane
So I don't know if that was very clear.
00:12:10
Danny Price
Yeah, no, that really helps.
00:12:11
Shane
i was
00:12:11
Danny Price
That really helps. I love that. It made me think of this quote when it comes to like works. It's Wes Huff who says this, but he's like, you are saved by works, just not yours.
00:12:21
Shane
Yeah, yeah.
00:12:22
Danny Price
it's not It's not your works that save you. And it's not that, again, it's not, I love that barrier to entry of like, no, and you can't pray or you can't come to Jesus unless you unlock the gold platinum membership here at the at the church or whatever.
00:12:35
Danny Price
Like there's no, anyways, you get the idea.
00:12:37
Shane
Yeah.
00:12:39
Danny Price
Um, so this is a question from one of our listeners, Steph, and there's a, it's, it's kind of a couple of questions in a row. And I thought we could just kind of hit, hit them rapid fire. What is living in the kingdom, a present state or a future reality, a way of living slash thinking or something that we experience outside of ourselves? What part of that is the now and not yet beyond like the obvious?
Thankfulness and Spiritual Proximity
00:13:01
Danny Price
Um, so did whatever you want to tackle there, just kind of, you can just kind of jump into it.
00:13:06
Shane
Okay. um Yeah, that's that's kind of complex. um But um I would say the way I've heard it explained, which helps me is, yes, and I, and oh, this is something I, with time, I wish I would have gotten more into or get gotten into. I didn't get into at all.
00:13:27
Shane
You know, I even said multiple times, where we can live in the kingdom right now. where we're in We can be in that mindset right now.
00:13:33
Danny Price
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:13:34
Shane
And I used that Dallas Willard quote. I think you actually have that in a different question.
00:13:38
Danny Price
Yeah, that's one of the one of the questions.
00:13:38
Shane
But anyway, that that right now, it it's a it's like the image.
00:13:40
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:13:45
Shane
it's It's like being in the kingdom of God, but looking at ah at your reflection in a lake and someone just threw a ah rock in it.
00:13:52
Danny Price
Hmm.
00:13:54
Shane
you know, you're, you're, you're experiencing it a little bit, you're seeing it a little bit, but it's, it's a distorted um view of it because we're still so immersed in the world around us.
00:13:56
Danny Price
Hmm.
00:14:00
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:14:06
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:14:06
Shane
um So, so yes, there's so much more waiting for us. um So there there is a future reality that is waiting for us.
00:14:16
Shane
That is
Further Reading and Sermon Insights
00:14:17
Shane
much more, much bigger than what we're experiencing now.
00:14:19
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:14:21
Shane
And yet, I go back to what I kept, I tried to hit like a dead horse on Sunday is, ah is the, the peace of crisis surpasses understanding that.
00:14:28
Danny Price
Hmm.
00:14:34
Shane
And I would say, honestly, i probably the last 10 or 12 years have begun to understand that at a totally different level. um That idea that, you know what, stuff's just going to happen in life and I'm okay. It's, it's Because this this is' this world is not my home.
00:14:50
Shane
And and it changes your attitude.
00:14:51
Danny Price
Hmm.
00:14:52
Shane
the The closer you grow in Christ, the more you have that attitude. And the more the things of this world just don't, they don't rock your world like like they do when you don't understand that and when you're not see you're not experiencing that.
00:15:06
Shane
so So we have ah a present state, but there's much there is so much more waiting for us in a future reality. Um, you know, and, you know, she did add to that, to go back to the, the question, uh, way of living and thinking, or is it something we experienced outside of ourselves?
00:15:26
Shane
To me, the answer is yes, it's both, you know, it's it's a little bit all that, you know, it's, it's outside of ourselves and that in the, in the,
00:15:28
Danny Price
Just to all. Yeah, it's both. Okay.
00:15:35
Shane
it's once again, like you said, with West off Christ did the work that enables us. So there's this experience that the Holy spirit is, is doing. And yet there is a mindset.
00:15:47
Shane
It's us. We do need to set our minds. It's, you know, that's why Paul tells us, he says, set your mind, because if we don't set our minds there, if we're constantly setting our mind on the things of the world, then, then we're not going to really experience it.
00:16:00
Shane
So, um, yeah, yeah.
00:16:00
Danny Price
Hmm. and Okay. No, that's, that's, that that's, that's good. um And then if, if you caught that the end of her question, there's like the whole now and not yet, which is a real common theme throughout all scripture.
00:16:09
Shane
Yep.
00:16:12
Danny Price
You'll hear theologians or people who like really dive into the Bible, talk about that. It's like one of the most commonly repeated things because so much of our experience with Jesus and of our Christian life is now,
00:16:23
Danny Price
And then at the same time and not yet. Um, and it, I mean, there's so many just different parallels and it's not even just then it's like also with old testament Testament prophecies and certain things. And Jesus, what Jesus says with certain things about like to his disciples, he talks about all these situations that are going to come in the future, but then also like they get experience now. So it's interesting. It's a cool thing. If you want to like dive into that, I would just Google, like if you wanted to just go to like got questions.org, if you've ever heard of them or something, just Google it now and not yet.
00:16:49
Danny Price
If you're interested about hearing what that, you look at that kind of means. I wanted to mention, when you talked about throwing a rock into the ripple, or into the pool and it ripples or whatever, um have you ever read, I'm sure you have, but maybe it's been a bit, have you read um the Chronicles of Narnia, like the whole series, like all the way through?
00:16:59
Shane
Yeah.
00:17:06
Shane
Yeah, I have.
00:17:07
Danny Price
So the last one, the last battle, they talk about that. It's not that specific analogy, but they talk about, again, you know, this is a... not sci-fi, it's like a fantasy you know novel that C.S. Lewis wrote. So if you haven't if you're unfamiliar with the Chronicles of Narnia, but The Last Battle is the last book and they end up going to like heaven, which is you know in that world and the world that C.S. Lewis has created. But before they go or as they're there, they're like talking, like all the kids and everyone that has you know been in part of this universe are talking and they're like, why does this seem so familiar? And they're like, it's almost like back when you were at home and you were looking to like a reflection of yourself.
00:17:42
Danny Price
or a reflection of a picture outside or something like something it's, it's like, it's, so it's really close and there's some representation of it, but it's not the real thing. And you know, it's not the real thing. It's like, if you were going to look outside and see like a painting of it, like actually look outside and see the countryside versus seeing a painting of that same countryside, it's like, it's this, it's kind of the same thing, but it's, and it's in as much just as real like, it's not the real thing.
00:17:53
Shane
Yeah. yeah
00:18:04
Danny Price
It's not the same thing, but it's a representation of it. And so I think a lot of people have used that as like a, our life here, what we can experience with Christ. It's like, it's a little bit like it it's a representation of it, but it's not, it's not quite the ultimate destiny.
00:18:17
Danny Price
It's not quite the ultimate reality that we're going to have, but it's, but it's, it's got like parts of it, I guess. Does that make sense or is that confusing?
00:18:23
Shane
Yeah, no, that makes that makes perfect sense.
00:18:24
Danny Price
Okay.
00:18:25
Shane
I think that's a good way of describing it.
00:18:27
Danny Price
You'd have to, you'd have to go read that. It's in like the very end. It's like towards like the last like three chapters of that book. And I read that book so many times or that series so many times growing up. So anyways, um go ahead.
00:18:36
Shane
Hey, real quick, just two recommendations if people want to
Aligning Actions with God's Kingdom
00:18:41
Shane
dig into this a little bit is Dallas Willard wrote a book called Living in Christ Presence.
00:18:41
Danny Price
Oh yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:18:46
Danny Price
okay
00:18:47
Shane
um And I would highly recommend that if you want to talk about like how to if you want to read more on like how do we live now in the kingdom, in the light of God's kingdom. I would recommend that book. And then another one I recommend and I always kind of is John Ortberg's book, Eternity is Now in Session.
00:19:06
Shane
And um I don't know. Have you ever read much of Orberg?
00:19:11
Danny Price
I've only read his one. Oh, good grief. What is it called?
00:19:13
Shane
The Life You've Always Wanted?
00:19:15
Danny Price
The Life You've Always Wanted. And then I read, but yeah, I have read Living.
00:19:16
Shane
um
00:19:17
Danny Price
I'm looking at right now. I have Living in Christ.
00:19:18
Shane
Okay, well, I really like Orberg because i always kind of say John Orberg is Dallas Willard for dummies.
00:19:18
Danny Price
presence of my oh
00:19:23
Shane
am be Because he...
00:19:25
Danny Price
Dallas Lord is pretty heady. He's got some
00:19:27
Shane
Yeah, and Ortberg studied under Willard and is huge influence by Willard's theology. um and And he kind of admits, he kind of copies a lot of what Willard teaches, but then dumbs it down for the average reader.
00:19:43
Shane
um
00:19:44
Danny Price
h
00:19:44
Shane
And so a lot of his books have Willard themes all through through them, but they're more written for the um the average person.
00:19:49
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:19:53
Shane
And they're really really, so it's a really practical book, so.
00:19:58
Danny Price
and Yeah. Yeah, he's a lot easier, to definitely a lot easier to understand than Dallas Willard. I've only read, I think I've read two books by Dallas Willard. And yeah, he's a good author, but a lot of his stuff, you're like, what what is he talking about?
00:20:10
Danny Price
It's it's it's difficult to understand.
00:20:10
Shane
Yeah. Yeah. That's funny. I've only read two of you. I've read The Divine Conspiracy and Living in Christ's Presence. are only two I've read, but.
00:20:16
Danny Price
I read the Practice in the Disciplines or something like that. I can't remember which it was called.
00:20:19
Shane
Oh, yeah. No, I read Practicing the Disciplines.
00:20:19
Danny Price
and and then And then I read Living in Christ's Presence.
00:20:20
Shane
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's true.
00:20:24
Danny Price
I have that one on my shelf. Anyways, so next question that I had. So this kingdom analogy that you use, describes the issue that you kind of talk about of wanting to have essentially have the kingdom without
Motivations Behind Actions
00:20:37
Danny Price
the king.
00:20:37
Danny Price
You want to be in, people are sometimes wanting to be in this kingdom and experience the the goodness of God and his glory, but they don't want his Lord, his Lordship.
00:20:44
Shane
Yeah, which I'm interrupt you real quick, which incidentally, I really wish I would have thought of that saying it the way you just said it.
00:20:46
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:20:50
Danny Price
Oh, really?
00:20:51
Shane
Yeah, I never said that in the sermon. I was like oh, man, that would have been such a clear way of explaining what I was trying to say.
00:20:57
Danny Price
Okay. I don't even know if that's my, I think I've heard that before too. So I don't even know if that's mine.
00:21:00
Shane
Okay, well, I hadn't and I and i was bugged when I read your conclusion.
00:21:01
Danny Price
Um, But, but yeah, so having the kingdom without the king, why can't we have one without the other? Like, why can't we experience all these blessings of God and his goodness and the the benefit of being in his kingdom and under his authority without actually being under his authority? Like, why, why is, why do those have to go together?
00:21:20
Shane
Well, I mean, honestly, I mean, we all know, right? I mean, i'm I'll give an explanation, but like, like it kind of, it's like, it's one of those, like, that's why I love the way you wrote it because I'm like, it's in, it really basically just says like, well, of course you can't, you can't do that.
00:21:32
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:21:36
Shane
um So, you know, one thing I've hated in the last, I don't know how many years in America is on both sides. And I've heard it on both sides of the fence, um,
00:21:49
Shane
people saying, well, that's not my president. you know, you know, you get Trump isn't my president. Biden isn't my president.
00:21:56
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:21:56
Shane
Um, you know, even people saying but Obama wasn't the president. And my answer is always like, well, then you better get moving because they are, as long as you're a citizen of this country, they are your president.
00:22:07
Shane
You might not like it. You don't have to, you don't have to want him to be the president, but he's the president.
00:22:09
Danny Price
Hmm.
00:22:13
Shane
Um, and if, if push comes to shove, you are going, you would have to listen to him.
00:22:13
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:22:18
Shane
So, um,
00:22:19
Danny Price
Right, right.
00:22:21
Shane
um, so I think it's just, it's kind of a, it's an ignorant statement. Um, and the same thing goes with as a Christ follower, it's an ignorant thing to say, I'm a Christian, but Christ is not my King.
00:22:37
Shane
Um, you know, so he either is, or you're, you're not a Christ follower. Um, so, you know, so it, um,
00:22:44
Danny Price
Yeah, that's the great way to put it.
00:22:49
Shane
Yeah, so to me, it's it's just such, and that's why, i get like said, i go I keep saying that's why I like the way you worded the question, because and I like that statement. I really want to find out who said who you got that from if you did get it.
00:22:59
Danny Price
Let me Google that.
00:23:00
Shane
But um because it really is just a clear way of saying, no you don't get the benefits.
00:23:00
Danny Price
um
00:23:05
Shane
you don't get You don't get all the securities. You don't get all the the promises, like the promises, right? You don't get the promises of a believer but not want to submit to what God calls us to.
00:23:19
Danny Price
Okay, I'm looking at this. Let's see here. Who said this?
00:23:25
Danny Price
I don't know. It's not coming up with anything. It talks about, there's like a bunch of, there's there's like a bunch of sermons that talk about this whole, like the same concept, but it's not telling me who said it, but it sounds profound. So i'll I'll take credit. I was the one that was me.
00:23:37
Danny Price
I'm just kidding.
00:23:37
Shane
Okay, there you You don't give yourself enough credit for being a profound person.
00:23:40
Danny Price
um
00:23:43
Danny Price
Oh yeah, I'll be i'll be profound. um So then I guess practical practical questions that that kind of just came to my my mind was, what kinds of things do we do that build our own kingdom?
00:23:55
Danny Price
and And what kind of things do we do that build God's kingdom? And is there some kind of crossover? Because is there are there certain actions that you can do that are
00:24:00
Shane
Yeah.
00:24:03
Danny Price
Maybe they would, it could be considered building God's kingdom, but we do them selfishly kind of trying to build ours. So the action is the same, but the heart behind it, the attitude behind it is
Personal Idols vs. God's Will
00:24:12
Danny Price
different. is different Does that happen?
00:24:13
Shane
Yeah, yeah i really I really love this question.
00:24:13
Danny Price
What kind of things should we be doing? and what kind of things are we doing right now that are selfishly building our own kingdom?
00:24:22
Shane
I love that you asked it because this is definitely another area where um probably should had I probably should have given myself time to explain that a little bit in the sermon.
00:24:32
Shane
um So I'm just going to take um your career or family, right?
00:24:38
Danny Price
Yeah. Hmm.
00:24:38
Shane
Like you do not have to have a career, you know, like, like I, as a full time pastor, am not serving Christ with my career any more than the guy who's an accountant, or the guy who or the person who is a homemaker, or the person who is a school teacher, I'm in no way serving God more than they are.
00:25:01
Shane
what there's they're doing it in a different way. So what it comes down to is the heart of it. And, you know, a pastor has every, has just as much ability and temptation to go to work with the attitude and heart of pride as a doctor or a teacher or an accountant.
00:25:08
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:25:26
Shane
um a A pastor has every ability and temptation to be lazy as someone else.
00:25:26
Danny Price
and
00:25:35
Shane
Every ability to to work for my own selfishness as as for the Lord.
00:25:42
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:25:43
Shane
Which is why Paul says... um Whatever you do in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord. Because he's saying, because he's he's saying look, whatever whatever it is, you you need to make the choice to do it for him and not do it for yourself.
00:26:00
Shane
So... um So, yeah, so I would say that's the first thing is that, yeah, anything we do that way is you really, it really comes down to the heart and the attitude.
00:26:11
Shane
And i mean, obviously there's things, right? If you want to continue in a porn addiction, i mean, no one would argue, well, i could do that for Christ's kingdom, you know, or if you're, you know, holding malice in your heart towards someone at work and you you purposely are undercutting them.
00:26:17
Danny Price
Yeah. Yeah, no. Yeah.
00:26:23
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:26:25
Shane
Well, I don't think anyone's going argue that that's not a bit of a problem.
00:26:26
Danny Price
yeah
00:26:28
Danny Price
Yeah. But I guess we have more than neutral things, like what you're saying, like a job, raising kids.
00:26:31
Shane
but Yeah, but there's so many of these neutral things. Yeah, so your job, your career, I'll just, you know, for me, we've talked about this.
00:26:34
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:26:40
Shane
For me, it's my family. um My family can sometimes be an idol for me.
00:26:42
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:26:45
Shane
um And I sometimes have more the attitude and the heart of like,
00:26:45
Danny Price
Hmm.
00:26:53
Shane
of what I want for everybody. You know, as parents, um we get mixed confused about what we want for our kids and what God wants. you know um You know, I know a lot of parents who are not thrilled when their kids choose to go into ministry because they know their kids aren't gonna make very much money and they want their kids to be secure. They want that financial security for their kids. um When I say I know a lot, I don't know a lot, but I've i've known parents who have, have you know, any and I, you know, I worried about that.
00:27:23
Danny Price
Hmm. Hmm. Yeah. Yeah, sure, sure, sure.
00:27:29
Shane
David talked about going into full-time ministry for a while. You are in full-time ministry, you know, and there's times where I'm like, man, it would be nice to just know that they can always just do these things or whatever.
00:27:39
Danny Price
hu
00:27:40
Shane
but but but when But when we start putting, when we start seeking influence away from what they believe God is calling them to do well, then that's, that's,
00:27:42
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:27:53
Shane
getting into the area idol worship. um You know, and and when we start trying to control or, you know, like say God called all of you guys to move away.
00:27:55
Danny Price
Right.
00:28:03
Shane
I love, Tonya and I love having all of you move, live, live by us.
00:28:06
Danny Price
Yeah, right, right.
00:28:06
Shane
You know, we miss that Rachel's not here and we wish she was, but. To go, hey, you know, Chance Arbella will end up back here. So to kind of say, hey, four of our kids are going be, we love that.
00:28:18
Shane
But what if God calls you to a different state?
00:28:18
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:28:21
Shane
You know, do if do we are we going to fight that?
00:28:22
Danny Price
yeah
00:28:24
Shane
Are we going to we're going start to be mad at God about that?
00:28:25
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:28:28
Shane
Well, if that's the case, then then it's an idol.
00:28:28
Danny Price
Yeah. Right. No, that and that makes sense. Yeah, it's... I think it's hard because I also... think there's a little bit of, like, the subculture of... And this maybe this is more, like, man-centric, but there's, like, this subculture of, like...
00:28:48
Danny Price
I'm thinking of like kind of like the bro culture of like got to build your build your kingdom, build your destiny, you know grab life by the horns type of mentality, which some of those things like you see in Proverbs about like not being slothful.
00:28:53
Shane
Yeah. Yeah.
00:28:59
Danny Price
And I think a lot of times we take that a little bit to the extreme of i got a I got to provide for my family. So that means I need to work you know X amount of hours and all these like really good things.
00:29:10
Danny Price
But then we take that and we we hold, like ah like you said, like we turn a good thing into like a real big idol.
00:29:10
Shane
yeah
00:29:15
Danny Price
And our productive lifestyle or our optimization or our, what's what's the new word? the There's like all these words now that I'm trying to remember that are like part of the you know the new slang. But just basically optimizing your life to the point where you're like,
00:29:29
Danny Price
I'm taking life by the horns and I'm doing such a good, and again, not, not even realizing like, you're just really building your kingdom. Like you're taking it past being responsible for the sake of loving your family and being obedient to God. And you're going into this realm of, uh,
00:29:43
Danny Price
making way more money than you really need to be making when you could be spending more time with your family or more so more time serving or more time doing, you know, all this stuff where it's like, you go past a certain point and now you're not even in what I would say is like but biblical obedience.
00:29:47
Shane
Yeah.
00:29:56
Danny Price
You're in this point where you're like, you're just doing things for yourself at this point. And you can try to kid yourself and say that you're doing it for your, for God. And like, Oh yeah, but I'm working for my family. And you're like I saw this thing online. It was this, and I don't, someone could fact check me on this. It was this guy that's like, he's optimizing hyper, whatever, you know, his life is so dialed in. And literally he said, I only get to see my son maybe 30 minutes a week.
00:30:18
Danny Price
And like, and I'm like, okay, at what point do you need to look at your life and go, okay, I have something that's broken. I'm only seeing my kids or kid for 30 minutes. so Like, and he was like saying that as like a like I have,
00:30:28
Shane
He only has one kid because he doesn't even get 30 minutes a week with his wife.
00:30:32
Danny Price
so Well, that's what, that's what I'm like. This is, this is crazy. Like this is, that's funny. Um, but like you're like, can you imagine being in at that point where you're bragging about that?
00:30:38
Shane
Okay. Yeah.
00:30:43
Danny Price
Like I've optimized my life. I have all my schedules blocked. I got everything just dialed in and then you're missing out on like one of the greatest privileges of being, you know, a parent is getting to spend time with your kids.
00:30:51
Shane
yeah
00:30:54
Danny Price
It's like good grief. So it's like that kind of idea.
00:30:55
Shane
Well, and it's not even on. it's also it's one of the greatest f blessings, but it's not even that it's also a responsibility. it's It's a stewardship issue.
00:31:03
Danny Price
Oh, yes, there you go.
00:31:04
Shane
You're not stewarding your family at that point, you know, so.
00:31:07
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:31:08
Shane
um Yeah, you know, and then on the other side, you can have guys who. who will not almost choose not to work, you know, and almost live at a poverty level because it was like, I just have to invest in my, you know, so, so, you know, it can go whichever way, but yeah, absolutely.
00:31:16
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:31:21
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:31:23
Shane
I think that what you're talking about, that, that bro mentality of, I've just got to make more and build my, build my thing.
00:31:27
Danny Price
The building, building the kingdom. Yeah.
00:31:30
Shane
um Yeah. And, you know, and I've had a lot of talks with guys who they, they just get, they get caught in that trap. And they they feel like, well, if I don't work enough overtime, all this overtime, then, you know, someone else will pass me up and I've worked so hard to get to this place or, you know, whatever it is.
00:31:49
Shane
And so, yeah, got to be careful.
00:31:53
Danny Price
That's good. um Next question. So Dallas Willard has this quote. You have this quote that you shared from Dallas Willard. And I kind of didn't like the quote. um I felt like it was a little incomplete. um Let me pull that quote up Actually, I had it, and then I just exited it out of my window.
00:32:07
Shane
read it?
00:32:08
Danny Price
You have it in front of you? oh
00:32:10
Shane
yeah
00:32:11
Danny Price
You should have waited right until I had it and then just started reading it. Yeah, go ahead read it.
00:32:15
Shane
um Okay, it's Jesus did not come to announce the availability of heaven after death, but the availability of life in the kingdom now.
00:32:27
Danny Price
And I guess my thought when I first heard that is like, why not both? Why can't you have both? Why don't you have, why can it not be
00:32:34
Shane
Oh, yeah, no, that's a good point.
00:32:36
Danny Price
And I kind of rubbed me wrong because I'm like, well, yeah, yeah, of course he's talking about the kingdom.
00:32:36
Shane
And yeah.
00:32:39
Danny Price
just wanted to your thoughts on this because, again, I'm just being nitpicky. Because this, again, is a lot of people that dislike or like have some issues with Dallas Willard, it's stuff about this. it's He's a little like everything can be experienced now, which I don't necessarily know if he truly believed that, but it comes across that way.
00:32:52
Danny Price
And some people are like, well, but yeah, but then there also is heaven coming too. Like the whole you know now and not yet. So I guess that was my little qualm with that. quote, not that i I have a problem with you sharing it.
00:33:01
Shane
yeah Yeah, I
00:33:03
Danny Price
I was just more just like, yeah, but it's awesome. I mean, it is about to hit you with the kingdom coming. and It is about heaven, getting into heaven.
00:33:08
Shane
i would say he's one of those um where he kind of that pendulum mentality in, in writing and in teaching that, Hey, you got people so far over on this side of the pendulum.
00:33:16
Danny Price
Hmm.
00:33:22
Shane
I've got going to make statements so far over the other way to move people to the middle. um
00:33:28
Danny Price
Okay. i's see what you're saying.
00:33:29
Shane
And yeah. And so what I think, you know, in context of the book, if, if there again, night that comes from, um,
00:33:37
Danny Price
Living
00:33:38
Shane
Yeah. Living in eternity now, whatever it's called. Anyway, I'm living in Christ present.
00:33:41
Danny Price
living in Christ's presence, yeah.
00:33:42
Shane
Um, it is that, that, you know, it's coming after like all this talk about how people are waiting for heaven, just waiting for heaven and, and they're not living life now.
00:33:53
Danny Price
hey
00:33:54
Shane
And so he's, he's, he's just trying to get that understanding that like it is about now.
00:33:55
Danny Price
Yep.
00:33:59
Shane
Yeah. and But if you go into the book, yeah, he definitely talks about that ripple effect of image.
00:33:59
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:34:04
Shane
It's not, it's not a perfect image. we're It's going to be so much better. We're gonna be fully enveloped in Christ's presence in heaven.
00:34:08
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:34:10
Shane
And, and all that. So, so ah yeah, that, but for those just listening to that, yeah, there definitely is.
00:34:12
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:34:16
Shane
Heaven is better than earth.
00:34:18
Danny Price
Yeah. I guess, yeah, that's what I was like trying to get at. is like we're not experienc we're We're experiencing Christ now, but it's again, it's going to be a little different than his full glory.
00:34:25
Shane
Yeah.
00:34:27
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:34:27
Shane
Yeah. Cause it goes back, you know, you you go back to revelation where and says there will be no more tears or we know more, um you know, pain, everything.
00:34:32
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:34:35
Shane
So it's, yes, it's definitely a, a distorted image now.
00:34:39
Danny Price
Right. um But I do love that you say that because I think that was something that Mike Smith, I think for those who don't know Mike, he let I did a discipleship program with him, but he also now he's the pastor down Centerpoint, used to be a pastor at Mountain View. But he was really big on that of like, we as Christians, a lot of times get into this, like we're going to circle the wagons, which if you don't know, that's just like yeah you know a euphemism for hunker down, be safe, don't engage with anything, don't try to engage with culture or bring people into the kingdom or do anything, acting like you're a child of God, just basically,
00:35:10
Danny Price
hunker down and be safe until the rapture comes or until, you know, like ah left behind, you get taken
Active Engagement in God's Kingdom
00:35:16
Danny Price
up into heaven. And then once that happens, then we're, then we're set. But until then we're just going to be as safe as possible.
00:35:21
Danny Price
So I'm not doing that and saying, no, we're going to engage.
00:35:22
Shane
Yeah. Yeah. So yeah.
00:35:24
Danny Price
We're going to live, live, like, live like you mean it, like live, like actually you're a Christian.
00:35:27
Shane
yeah
00:35:29
Danny Price
yeah. Anyways, um but yeah, no, I just i just wanted to clarify on that quote because I'm like, I like i i like some of the things that Dollar Swiller says, but I was like that one quote. I was like, ah, it's kind of both, I think, but you get the idea. um Next question is, how do you repent?
00:35:48
Danny Price
How do you know what you're supposed to repent of? And what does what is repentance, like the word repentance mean?
Defining and Practicing Repentance
00:35:53
Danny Price
So just if you just want to just spin on that for a while, how do you repent? What do you know? How do you know what to repent for? And then what is repentance?
00:36:00
Shane
Okay, can i go those in an almost exact opposite order? um I'm gonna start with what is repentance.
00:36:03
Danny Price
hit Hit that. Yeah, hit that.
00:36:06
Shane
um The best way to describe it i is 180 degree turn.
00:36:12
Danny Price
OK.
00:36:13
Shane
You're heading in one direction and you, and you, you change directions. Now, wait, I say that's the best way to describe it. That's my best way to describe it.
00:36:21
Danny Price
ah
00:36:21
Shane
um
00:36:22
Danny Price
okay
00:36:22
Shane
there's There's, but you know, do 180 degree turn from what you've been doing here. You know, and that's why I love, the reason I love that mentality is because it's not just 180 degree turn of your actions, but sometimes like we just talked about, like our family, right? Sometimes I need to repent of,
00:36:43
Shane
building my kingdom through my family, my actions might not even really change. Like no one else might even be able to see it, but I'm doing a 180 degree turn in my attitude.
00:36:51
Danny Price
h
00:36:55
Shane
I'm, I'm changing from, oh I'm building my kingdom to, Oh no, I, I, I've got to submit my family here. I might still give the same advice, but I'm giving the advice based on a different reasoning.
00:37:08
Shane
Does that make sense?
00:37:09
Danny Price
Yeah, no, totally, totally.
00:37:10
Shane
Um, so, so it's that turn and then, um, and then how, and then, um, yeah, give me the other parts where I don't see it in front of me.
00:37:21
Danny Price
Well, no, sorry.
00:37:23
Shane
Oh, here we go.
00:37:23
Danny Price
but how But how do you repent?
00:37:23
Shane
How do you, um, how do you know what to repent of and what does, okay. So how to repent, I'm going go with that one is when you recognize, and we'll get into how, you know, how you recognize recognize it when you recognize it for me,
00:37:30
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:37:41
Shane
It's to confess it to Jesus, ask him to change our heart, and in and then start moving in that direction.
00:37:44
Danny Price
Mm-hmm.
00:37:50
Shane
Now, I think there's a lot of things that can go with that. um
00:37:54
Danny Price
Got it.
00:37:55
Shane
And so for me, I know if I don't, okay, say I sin against you, like Let's just say I've been, for whatever reason, you did something that bothered me, and so I've been harboring something with you.
00:38:13
Shane
And so now i'm I've been harboring that.
00:38:13
Danny Price
got it
00:38:16
Shane
Well, when I recognize that, I need to repent with Jesus. But for me personally, and I think this is supported scripturally, i i need to go to you.
00:38:29
Shane
i need to talk to you about it. And you might not even notice that I was doing it. But I still need to go to you and and repent. i need to I need to confess it to you. And I need to let you know that I'm going to change what I'm doing. And part of the reason I feel like I need to do that is without accountability,
00:38:50
Shane
i
00:38:51
Danny Price
Hmm.
00:38:51
Shane
we we have a tendency to to lie to ourselves.
Confession and Community Healing
00:38:56
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:38:56
Shane
And now, there again, I'm i'm not saying hunt for sure every single time that has to happen.
00:38:57
Danny Price
Yeah. Yeah.
00:39:03
Shane
Jesus still forgives us. If if we're able to repent, you know, he forgives it. so um But for me, that's a part of the process is is going to the person.
00:39:14
Shane
um And don't know if you have any thoughts on that part, like the need to do that before I get into the last one.
00:39:21
Danny Price
Yeah, i think I think it's uncomfortable.
00:39:27
Danny Price
Regardless of the whoever it is, it's weird to go to someone and either ask for forgiveness or just tell them that you've sinned against them. um it's awkward It's awkward both ways. It's awkward if they know it, and it's awkward if they don't. Because either way, I mean, there's tension.
00:39:44
Danny Price
But I do agree. It's something that I'm not good at personally, and I want to get better at. And that's why part of the reasons I'm asking these questions, and the the next question we'll talk about that too. But it's something that I think is, it's so, it's like, I'm trying to think we're where to go with this.
00:40:00
Danny Price
A lot of people have said, and I love this, of like, when you name something or when you get out in the open, it loses all its power.
00:40:05
Shane
Yes.
00:40:05
Danny Price
um If you are, yeah, what you keep in the darkness, just it wrecks you.
00:40:06
Shane
Yep. What you keep in the darkness. take
00:40:11
Danny Price
So if you're, struggling with an addiction, if you're struggling with anger, if you're struggling with whatever, you're, you know, and there's something you need to repent of, you can repent of it to God. And yes, technically you're forgiven. And I'm not saying that you have to fully repent to a person in order to be forgiven under God, but there is this element of the thing that you're harboring or whatever it is, the sin that you're committing, it loses power when you voice it to other people, especially if it's the person that it was against. I think you can technically, like if I sinned against Shane, I could technically be forgiven of it in legal terms by just asking for forgiveness from God.
00:40:47
Danny Price
Because again, all sin and against is against God. But at the same time, it does talk in the Bible about going to your brother and, and asking, and like, and having forgiveness with each other. Like it, I don't know. It's, it's so much more powerful, I think, to go that route and obviously an ask for forgiveness from God, as opposed to just keep it to yourself.
00:41:04
Danny Price
It, it creates a better community with people because then it opens up a two way channel. Cause if they have anything that they're, maybe maybe it's one of those mutual relationships where you guys are both kind of ticked at each other. It opens up a channel for them to then ask for forgiveness or to express repentance to, to you.
00:41:20
Danny Price
And it kind of, it just, it's better. it Things in the light, things that are in the light are better than things that are in the
00:41:24
Shane
Yep.
Addressing Pornography Addiction
00:41:25
Danny Price
darkness.
00:41:25
Danny Price
So it's, I mean, I can't, I don't have all these verses in front of me that I would share about this, but I mean, it's just, I think this is a pretty scriptural principle.
00:41:26
Shane
Yep.
00:41:33
Shane
Yeah. um
00:41:34
Danny Price
Anyways.
00:41:35
Shane
Well, and I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm to jump on that one more time um because, so I read a book a long time ago.
00:41:38
Danny Price
Yeah, I had it.
00:41:43
Shane
i don't even remember who wrote it called the the leadership and self-deception. And I don't even think it was a Christian, but. And it wasn't a great book, but it definitely hit me with a revelation, one thing that really got out of it. And it was the idea that, like, it was talking about more of ah in a, you know, like an employee boss situation, but the idea, if you're upset with an employee, you you're You're actually being more kind with the employee to just talk to them about it because they they recognize it and they feel it and they see it, even if you aren't talking to them about it.
00:42:17
Danny Price
You don't name it, yeah
00:42:19
Shane
The whole point was about how we deceive ourselves into thinking we're not letting on about things. But but people know when there's something going on.
00:42:30
Danny Price
Yeah, that's true.
00:42:31
Shane
So, so anyway, I, so that, and I, I, I, that really hit me and it's always stuck with me ever since. And, but I'm just going to hit on something because I just felt like God was saying this to me while you were talking, you know, unfortunately we just don't talk about it much in the church, but um I, I think there's, and there might be some men listening that they maybe you have a porn problem and,
00:42:43
Danny Price
Hmm.
00:42:57
Danny Price
Hmm.
00:42:58
Shane
You know, unfortunately, we don't talk about this in the church and very often. And um ladies, i don't I don't want to be offensive in any way. This is not my goal to be offensive. But if you look at the statistics in America, well, how many people have addictions to porn or problems with it? Like, I look at porn on a very regular basis.
00:43:21
Shane
If you look at the statistics, it it means that people, probably at least half of the men that call themselves Christians and are a part of the church have a serious porn problem.
00:43:33
Danny Price
Yeah, if not more, yeah.
00:43:33
Shane
um and And we don't talk about it very much, but the men, i know i've I've had conversations with so many men who want to kick this, but they won't talk to their wives about it.
00:43:46
Shane
They won't confess it to their wife. And until you confess it to your wife, I believe that Satan is probably using that as a stronghold in your life.
00:43:57
Shane
And you're not giving your wife the opportunity to show the grace and compassion and mercy of Christ to you.
00:43:57
Danny Price
yeah
00:44:05
Shane
I I've been clear about this. I had a problem when I was young with this and, and it wasn't until I confessed it till to Tanya and came clean about it with her that, that I was able to overcome it.
00:44:13
Danny Price
Yep.
00:44:16
Danny Price
Mm-hmm.
00:44:18
Shane
And, and so it's that whole keeping it hidden in the darkness. yeah, I can't stress enough how important it is. And ladies, you know, if you're listening, so so I'm going to go back to the husbands.
00:44:32
Shane
Husbands, you you think you don't want to hurt your wife. you think My guess is kind of going back to what I said about that self-deception.
00:44:38
Danny Price
Mm-hmm.
00:44:39
Shane
My guess is your wife probably already guesses it. She probably already knows it. And you're putting her in a bad position because you're You're putting her where she has to be the one to wonder what is going on with you, why you have these attitudes or why, you know, whatever, and or why you're staying up late by yourself or whatever it is.
00:44:56
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:45:01
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:45:02
Shane
And so you you you need to confess it to your wife. And then ladies, you need to show your husbands the grace and mercy of Christ and walk with them through it.
00:45:12
Shane
And if that means you got to get counseling, if that means whatever, but but don't react in this like, oh put them put him in shame because it's shame is the reason he's keeping quiet about it.
00:45:24
Shane
So anyway, um I totally got off on a rabbit trail with that.
00:45:25
Danny Price
Yeah. No, that's that's a great... No, that's really good.
00:45:28
Shane
But while you were talking, it just really was hitting me. So
00:45:32
Danny Price
that's good. but that's That's good for all of us. And I think, like, I have this. I know Shane has this. a lot of guys that I know um have software on their phones and devices.
00:45:43
Danny Price
It's not foolproof. There's still, like, workarounds and certain things.
00:45:44
Shane
Yeah. Yep.
00:45:45
Danny Price
But there's device there's help. It really helps with just because I use Ever Accountable. We talked about this, i think, in the past. There's Covenant Eyes. There's different apps. It just it just really helps having, like, my phone just sends screenshots to Hannah.
00:45:59
Danny Price
um
00:45:59
Shane
yep
00:46:00
Danny Price
My account, she's my accountability partner. And so it's like, if I'm looking at something that I shouldn't be, she gets a screenshot and it's funny. Cause I have, it's pretty, you know, there's like some pretty heavy filtering on it. So it's like, even things that I like, that's not bad.
00:46:11
Danny Price
That's that's, it was like a marathon, like a video, like a picture of someone running a marathon on Facebook.
00:46:14
Shane
Yeah. Yeah. I get, I get a few guys, i get a few guys screenshots.
00:46:15
Danny Price
And I'm like, okay.
00:46:18
Shane
I'm a few accountability partner for few guys. And, you know, so I'll, look and most of it's all just, you know I'm like, okay.
00:46:21
Danny Price
Yeah. Yeah, you're like, OK, that's not that's not yeah that's not sexual sexual or anything.
00:46:23
Shane
this Yeah.
00:46:26
Danny Price
But it does it just helps knowing that someone else is looking at the stuff that you're looking at. And just like I said, there's always workarounds. You can always, if you're determined to be in an addiction, it's like you know someone who's addicted to heroin or anything.
00:46:38
Danny Price
like You're going to do anything it takes. so
00:46:39
Shane
Yeah.
00:46:41
Danny Price
It's not a foolproof way, but it does, again, having people that know that you're struggling. That's kind of where I think the power comes in. And again, like I'm personally like i haven't struggled with pornography for a long time, but I still struggle with lust.
00:46:52
Danny Price
And it's still and it's that's something where it's like just just this assurance of not knowing I'm going slip back into that and having people in my corner that know.
00:46:54
Shane
Mm-hmm.
00:46:58
Shane
love
00:46:59
Danny Price
So like, you know David knows my wife knows certain people know that I used to struggle. you know, this is a long time ago. But just the reality of like, I could still slip back into that. And again, the secrecy thing, the not, you know, so why is again, like Shane was saying, talk to your husbands about it. And even once you've done it. So for example, like your husband says to you, maybe it goes both ways. Cause I know women can struggle with this too, I guess.
00:47:20
Danny Price
um Just because i would really encourage you just because you had one conversation about it doesn't mean this needs to stop there.
00:47:25
Shane
Yeah.
00:47:25
Danny Price
So for example, like if your husband comes to you babe, I've been watching porn.
00:47:26
Shane
Yep.
00:47:29
Danny Price
I'm struggling with this. You go, oh my gosh, that you know, whatever you talk about it and then follow up with him every other week or something like that. Like, hey, babe, how are, how is that going?
00:47:36
Shane
Yep.
00:47:37
Danny Price
Can you please tell me the truth? Like, you know, where are you with this? That continuing relationship is what's going to help because if you address it once and you're like, no it's not a big deal and you sweep it under the rug, that's not really living in the light. That's letting the light peek out for a second and then going right back into the darkness. So you want to have a transparent lifestyle with that. And again, this applies to other addictions, but this is the big one. I mean, this is huge now. And now with the accessibility of the internet with kids, I mean, I was reading some of those statistics, like by the time kids are like 10, most kids have seen pornography on their phones or devices if they don't have any kind of
00:48:08
Danny Price
blocking and it's like, what is it? Like, I think it was like 80% of college students in the last week have seen, have viewed pornography on their phones.
00:48:15
Shane
Yeah, yeah.
00:48:15
Danny Price
I mean, we're talking like crazy numbers, guys. This isn't like a, oh yeah. Like I think people like want to think it's like, no, this is huge.
00:48:19
Shane
Yeah, like a 15, 20% of people thing, yeah.
00:48:22
Danny Price
This is huge. So just wanted to bring that out to you guys. um Totally off topic.
00:48:25
Shane
And it's not just, and and and you were right to say it goes both ways. This isn't just a man problem. um
00:48:30
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:48:31
Shane
Statistics show it's growing among women as well. So,
00:48:34
Danny Price
Yeah. I think it used to be like back in whatever eighties, like I think it was kind of more of like, you would think of it more as a male thing, but anyways, um, last question.
00:48:37
Shane
yeah. Yeah.
00:48:44
Danny Price
And then you get just to get back into repentance. Why is it so difficult to be a, being a repentant person? Cause this is something I'm trying to work on. How do we become someone who is quick to repent to another one another and to the, and to the Lord and to apologize quickly. I I'm not good at this. I take a second. It takes me a second to apologize.
00:49:00
Danny Price
Um, how do you become better at this? How do you become someone who is just instantly like, you know what? I'm so sorry. I apologize. Cause you mentioned in the sermon, like this is something that you really look for in a person that is like, and I, and I would agree. This is one of the best qualities anyone could have is like, they might flare up quick or might have whatever, but it may, if they're repentant and apologizing, it's, it's amazing.
00:49:17
Shane
Yeah. um So go back to the the question was, how do you become that?
00:49:23
Danny Price
How do you become a repentant person? Why is it so hard?
00:49:26
Shane
I really think it it is, it's pride. um
00:49:30
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:49:31
Shane
You know, and in our pride, we, um we justify a lot of our behavior.
Repentance and Relationship Health
00:49:38
Shane
We say, Oh, it's, it wasn't that big of a deal. It's not that bad.
00:49:43
Shane
You know, Oh, things are already good now. I don't need to, you know, like she forgave me or he forgave me or what, you know, so I'm, you I, we're fine. So why bring it up? All the, all these things happen.
00:49:54
Shane
But so I, I have found, and this is, this is really something I, I try to practice pretty closely. pretty dis I probably have a ah discipline of repentance in my life.
00:50:06
Shane
Um, and I'm, I'm not saying I'm perfect at this. i mean, you know, but, um, but I do think, you know, I think the family would say that this is something I'm, I'm, I do, I will do pretty regularly.
00:50:19
Danny Price
You do. Yeah, you do.
00:50:20
Shane
Um, and And a lot of it just comes down to, man, i if I get an inclination in my spirit that I need to repent, I work really hard to just do it.
00:50:36
Shane
And and i've I've repented to people who have oftentimes gone like, no, dude, I didn't even think twice about that. Yeah. But if I have it in my heart, when I'm being disciplined in it, I just notice, I just, I'm quick to go, hey, I'm i'm really sorry.
00:50:52
Shane
Or, you know, um I, you know, it's like, you know, I think marriage is a big one, right?
00:50:53
Danny Price
yeah
00:50:57
Shane
I mean, so with Tanya, like, if it's if it's something that we were fighting about or you know i said something to her you know that and if i get an inclination like man you shouldn't have said that or that was rather than just try to make it up to her rather than just go well now i'm gonna say something nice or now i'm gonna you know do this i i literally will just try to say hey i that was that was wrong and i'm i'm really sorry i did that and you know um and ask and say you know will you forgive me of of it and You know, all my kids, if you ask any one of them, Hannah, I guarantee you can quote this.
00:51:22
Danny Price
yeah
00:51:27
Danny Price
yeah yeah
00:51:32
Shane
i when I would I repent to them when I would lose my temper as a parent or whatever. And they would always try to answer with it's OK.
00:51:40
Danny Price
m
00:51:41
Shane
And I would always tell them, no, it's not OK. It's not OK. What I did was not OK. And you have every right to believe it wasn't OK, but it was.
00:51:46
Danny Price
yeah
00:51:49
Shane
But I would really appreciate it if you'd forgive me. And, um you know, and try to teach them to say to to say, I forgive you.
00:51:53
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:51:58
Shane
So.
00:51:59
Danny Price
That's, no, I love that about don't, if someone is repenting to you, don't diminish it by saying, oh, no big deal.
00:52:06
Shane
Yeah.
00:52:07
Danny Price
I had, a this is such such a funny story. It's a kind of caveat, but there was a kid up at camp this last weekend that, He was a you know junior high or messing around. He pulled off. He was trying to climb and up in one of the yurts, being a kid, being dumb.
00:52:18
Shane
Yeah.
00:52:19
Danny Price
And he pulled this whole cubby set that we had. It's like this huge four-foot-by-four-foot cubby you know locker set off the wall. Just like ripped it off the wall out of the drywall screws, everything. And it didn't break it.
00:52:29
Shane
Yeah.
00:52:29
Danny Price
It just ripped it off the wall. But you know he was horse-playing around.
00:52:31
Shane
ah
00:52:33
Danny Price
And his leader you know was like, I'm going to let him sweat it out for a little bit and think like it's going to be really expensive. But I want him to come to you and apologize. And this kid, I mean, you know, poor junior hired boy, you you know, probably like 12 years old, just coming up to me.
00:52:43
Shane
yeah
00:52:45
Danny Price
But it was really cool. He came up to me and he had a lot of courage and came up and apologized. And he told me exactly what he was doing and how he was horse playing, how he shouldn't have done it. And he apologized. And I was like trying to be really intentional to say, hey, I really appreciate you coming to me and I forgive you.
00:52:57
Danny Price
Because from my mind, I'm like, I know that in reality, this is like eight drywall screws that I have to go redo. I mean, yeah, it's a little bit of work, but it's not like it's...
00:53:02
Shane
Yeah. 20, 30 minutes work. Yeah.
00:53:05
Danny Price
yeah, it's not like it's going to cost us $10,000 or anything, you know excessive.
00:53:07
Shane
Yeah.
00:53:08
Danny Price
But in my mind, I'm knowing in his mind, he just committed a huge error and he's feeling it. And if I don't say, i forgive you. And like, you're, you're good now. Like all is forgiven.
00:53:19
Danny Price
If I don't say that I'm kind of diminishing his whole effort of coming to me and doing that.
00:53:22
Shane
Yeah.
00:53:23
Danny Price
So i would just, ah you know, argue for parents. If you're talking, you know, trying to coordinate between siblings. This is something my parents did as I was never allowed just to say, I'm sorry. And then just move on. Like I had to go to someone and say, will you forgive me for, and I had to list why, and it might've taken me a while to get to that point to where I could recognize what I did.
00:53:40
Danny Price
Cause you know, when you're a kid, you have to think about it for a second, or at least as I did.
00:53:43
Shane
Yeah.
00:53:45
Danny Price
But it's really helpful when the other sibling or whoever, you know, is I forgive you and you acknowledge it. You don't just go, oh no, yeah, no big deal. It's fine. It's, it's, yeah, it's okay. Cause that's, that's not what you want. That's not what you want, what you would want.
00:53:55
Danny Price
um You would want people that when they're apologizing to you, you want them to actually feel it. You don't want it to sweep it under the rug. So anyways, um that's all the questions I had.
00:54:00
Shane
Yeah.
00:54:03
Shane
It's good work.
00:54:04
Danny Price
is there anything else you wanted to add on just to, as we're wrapping up here from the, from the sermon, any last minute?
00:54:08
Shane
No, I, uh, uh,
00:54:12
Shane
I think we covered a lot, honestly.
00:54:14
Danny Price
Awesome. Cool. um So just again, resources. Again, I should have said this at the beginning. were Again, we're we're in Colossians. This is Colossians 3 that we're in right now. We're still going through Colossians.
00:54:25
Danny Price
And then we talked about a couple different books. I can put some of those titles. And then I'll put them on the apps that i that we me and Shane use or have used. I don't know what what you're using now. I use Ever Accountable for the just for helping with accountability.
00:54:36
Danny Price
But just in in case you're like, I've never even thought about that and you're curious, i'll put I'll link those down in the description so you can take a look at those.
00:54:41
Shane
Yeah, I'm still in covenant eyes. I'm still in covenant eyes, but I am thinking of moving to ever accountable. i like what I'm seeing.
00:54:48
Danny Price
It's a little cheaper.
00:54:49
Shane
Well, I'm just like what I'm seeing with, because you and I have two or three other guys I know that are on it now.
00:54:49
Danny Price
It's a little cheaper.
00:54:56
Shane
And yeah.
00:54:56
Danny Price
That use it? Okay.
00:54:57
Shane
Yeah.
00:54:57
Danny Price
No, I like it. it's been It's been good. It's a little bit different. But yeah, so I'm not saying it's you have to have this as a man a Christian christianian man. But if you've ever struggled with lust, it's like, why why not? I mean, it's I think with the with the yearly subscription, I think we're talking like $10 a month, I think.
00:55:13
Danny Price
I'm like, 10 bucks a month just to have that added peace of mind of like, yeah, like if if something comes across my screen, it's gonna remove it or it's gonna send a screenshot to my accountability partner.
00:55:16
Shane
Yep.
00:55:20
Danny Price
So it just says that added of like, yeah, I'm just not even thinking about it. Like it doesn't, I don't know. For me, it's been great. And I know for a lot of other guys, it's been great.
00:55:27
Shane
It's just one more barrier, you know, that just kind of helps you not, you know, you have to think about it before you you'd do something.
00:55:34
Danny Price
Yeah, exactly.
00:55:36
Shane
um Hey, real quick, before we go, you got something exciting coming up this weekend. You're going to that ah that conference.
00:55:41
Danny Price
Oh yeah. um Yeah, I'm going to a conference. I'm super excited.
Looking Forward to the Bless God Conference
00:55:46
Shane
Yeah.
00:55:46
Danny Price
It's called the Bless God Conference. There's a bunch of this podcasters, pastors, just people that I listen to or intake. But yeah, Wes Huff is there, Ruslan, Mike Winger, Gavin Ortland, Sean McDowell.
00:55:59
Danny Price
There's a bunch of people. It's going to good. It's three days. I'll be in Oceanside, California. So I'm going out there with Hannah. We're going to go take a little baby moon and do that. So I'll, I'll listen to the sermon. I'll, we we'll be back Monday. So I think we'll just be back normal, but I might do a little debrief of like what the biggest takeaway is for me.
00:56:12
Shane
Well, yeah that's what I was going to I really think you should ah try to come up with like your like two biggest takeaways and and talk about them for a little bit.
00:56:18
Danny Price
Yeah, no, that'd be fun. I'm sure some of that's going released on YouTube too, or maybe not. I'm guessing it might be one of those things where it might be a while because it's paid for content. So there might be a,
00:56:28
Shane
Yeah, so maybe you can put a couple links to the best one.
00:56:30
Danny Price
But yeah, I might put some links down and stuff. I know if you want to watch it online, I think most of the tickets are sold out and and obviously it's way too late. But if you want to watch it online, i think it's like 90 bucks to see the whole conference online. So for some reason, if that's tickling your brain, you're like, that would be so fun to watch all that.
00:56:43
Danny Price
They're doing a bunch of ah just really cool like Q&A panel discussions and then like main main stage sessions, you know, like kind of keynote speaker stuff. So it'll be fun. I'm excited for it because it's a lot of people that I listen to.
00:56:52
Shane
Yeah.
00:56:54
Danny Price
So and I kind of put that down in my previous podcast about like people that I'm listening to.
00:56:57
Shane
ah a bunch of a bunch of Bible nerds.
00:56:58
Danny Price
A bunch of the same. Yeah, all the nerds all the nerds talking about nerds nerd stuff.
00:57:01
Shane
If you're going to be a nerd, if going to be a nerd, a Bible nerd is a good nerd to be.
00:57:05
Danny Price
No, it's true. like guess It's true, I guess. so Anyways, appreciate you all. We will see you guys next week for the recap. All right, bye-bye.