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Wes Rowe from The Natural Human Diet on Raw Food, Music, Mindset and Intuition
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In this week's episode, we had our first guest, Wes Rowe from The Natural Human Diet. We had an amazing discussion on how music and intention can affect our bodies through structured water. We explored the difference between thinking and intention, highlighting how thinking can be harmful. We touched on heavy metals and their sources. The discussion then delved into intuitively eating and worrying less about vitamins, snowballing into whether or not vitamin deficiencies even exist!
We circled back to intuition and the important roles of positive thinking and free thinking. Emphasizing that courage is absolutely necessary in a fear-driven world, we connected the idea that fear is contagious and very detrimental to our health, both individually and collectively. We concluded the talk by highlighting the importance of self-growth, building community, and taking responsibility.
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Introduction to Wes Rowe and Primal Diet
00:00:02
Speaker
All right, what's going on, everybody? We're back for another episode of Beyond Terrain podcast. Special episode today. We got our first guest on, Wes Rowe from the Natural Human Diet. He's been doing raw primal for five years. He's just a fountain of wisdom in my mind. I love listening to the guy speak, so I'm super pumped about getting him on today. Without further ado, we'll get into it. Wes, thanks for being here. Hey, thanks for having me, man. Appreciate it. Right on. Yeah, so you brought something today to eat.
00:00:33
Speaker
I did, yeah. I brought up some 100% grass-fed beef liver. This stuff is all non-vaccinated, no medication, something like that. It's all local here. I try to get it as fresh as much as I can. This was frozen, but I try to get as fresh as much as I can. This is just one of my favorite raw foods. It's amazing if you've never tried it before. It's almost euphoric, but I like to eat this fairly frequently as much as I can.
00:01:01
Speaker
Raw. I don't think I've ever had it cooked. It's just really good raw. So one of my favorite things to eat. You're not. Yeah. I mean, I, uh, in honor of you today, I actually brought a little smorgasbord myself here. I got some oysters and a little bit of liver to actually non, non vaccinated, organic, everything local. And I look around beef there too. Yeah. Cheers my friend. Cheers buddy.
00:01:34
Speaker
Sweet. That's awesome. I used to eat cooked liver actually and I hate it. I used to cook it over the fire and I just really didn't like eating it. But when you eat it raw, man, I just find it's sweet and it's kind of nice. Don't recommend it cooked. No, I can't. I really can't, man. It just blows my mind that people cook something like this. It just seems like it really...
00:02:02
Speaker
If there's any evidence that cooking destroys food, I think it's really clear when it comes to organs and also like seafood, like cooking something like an oyster or something to me just seems like tragic, you know? Oh, yeah. I've been eating oysters for a long time. I live on the East Coast here, so there's big oyster industry here and, you know,
00:02:27
Speaker
I haven't eaten a cooked oyster. I ate one, two years ago for the first time and same thing. It just, it wasn't as good. Like, you know, why, why would you destroy something so beautiful? So I couldn't agree
Holistic Health: Mind, Body, and Environment
00:02:38
Speaker
more. Yep. Yeah. So, uh, I want to start the podcast off. I want to ask you, you know, to kind of define health, right? So we can kind of give the listener an idea of where you're coming from. You know, what, what does being healthy mean to you? I think this will give us good baseline and we can work off of that. Sure, man.
00:02:57
Speaker
Yeah, I mean healthy to me is it's like a multitude of factors and you know, you're getting into like mental, physical and spiritual. I think all those things working together and they also play off of each other. So, you know, if one is negative, it's going to bring down the other one. So I think everything has to come up together at the same time, so to speak. So it's not necessarily just about
00:03:20
Speaker
getting vitamins in. That's one of the most important things I learned over the last five years, studying food and getting so deep into nutrition and health. It's like, okay, there's a lot of other factors here besides vitamins, you know, we got, you know, I believe we're spiritual beings. You got to get your, get your life together. You got to get healthy people around you, your healthy relationships, all that stuff I think goes in together with health and, you know, getting outside sunshine, fresh air.
00:03:46
Speaker
Staying away from toxicity, all those things go into good health. But ultimately, I think it just comes down to you're in a homeostasis with your environment and everyone around you and you're at peace and you're fulfilling your life's purpose. I love it, man. I 100% agree. It's more than diet. It's more than just what you eat. What you consume is definitely
00:04:17
Speaker
what you consume mentally on the phone or the TV, right? That can definitely mess you up too, right? Absolutely. Recently. Yeah, there's all sorts of toxicity comes in many forms, you know, comes in visual toxicity and physical toxicity, spiritual toxicity at all. It all can lead to disease in some form or the other, you know, but yeah, nowadays it's definitely, we're getting a lot of, uh,
00:04:44
Speaker
Yeah, phones and videos and all sorts of just mind pollution. Yeah, even things like music. I know you're a fan of classical music and I dabble a little bit here. I'm not well versed in it at all.
00:05:04
Speaker
Um, I've certainly noticed throughout my life, like when you're listening to that, like I used to listen to a lot of rap music back in the day and it's, it just influences your whole lifestyle, man. Like you start to really emulate these characters and the, you're trying to live out what they're talking about in the songs and it can really mess you up there too.
00:05:24
Speaker
Oh, totally, man. Totally. I did the same thing, man. I grew up in the, I grew up in the nineties when it was just like the, almost like the classical era of rap and hip hop. In my opinion, you know, of course every, every person's going to say their generation had the best music, but the, the, that was when a rap was huge, man. And yeah, I saw it influence everybody, you know, brought everybody sort of down a little bit. And, uh,
00:05:51
Speaker
And yeah, as I got older, I started getting into more instrumental music and getting away from like lyrical music because I felt like the lyrics were just kind of bringing a lot of ego into it and taken away from the musical aspect. So I got into a lot of, I transitioned to like electronic music. So it still had like good beats to it and everything. And then I started getting into more like just classical. I was like, let me see how far I can take this, you know? So I started getting into like classical music the last probably five years, man.
00:06:19
Speaker
by far the best music, man, in my opinion. It's by far the best. Yeah, I love it. Even like, you know, if I used to go to the gym and I'd go hit a workout, listen to some classical music and, you know, it just hits different, man. Like, I don't know what it is, but it just kind of makes activities better in my mind. I love it.
00:06:43
Speaker
It does, man. Sometimes it fits perfectly with what's going on in your environment, and sometimes it provides a really beautiful contrast.
Music's Influence on Well-being and Ecosystems
00:06:53
Speaker
If you're stuck in rush hour traffic, sometimes it's nice to throw in some classical. It's a total contrast. You're surrounded by chaos, but then you have this beautiful music coming out of your speakers, so that can be fun too.
00:07:08
Speaker
Yeah, man, I think it's it's called classical for a reason. It's just classic music, man. And like they just they were on something else back then when they made that stuff. And there's there's definitely like seems like there's almost like an agenda to push that stuff away and make it seem like you're you're some kind of like nerd or something if you listen to classical music and you're not listening to like pop music, you know. So I think there's some there's definitely some. Yeah, the radio is just, you know,
00:07:38
Speaker
pushing a lot of terrible stuff right now. So it's good to get away from that. A hundred percent. I was fortunate enough, actually, I took a course in university and it was indigenous conservation. And we went out and we we hiked in one of the national parks here and we camped for a few days and we actually made drums out of like all like all the deer hide and white ash ring and everything. And, you know, we soaked the hide in the river. We were in the middle of nowhere. It was like a really profound experience.
00:08:08
Speaker
They always talk to me about the lessons, big lessons that they taught was how music is not just music. It's healing. It's medicine. You can certainly feel it. Whenever I use my drum, it obviously carries very special energy because I feel like the way it was created and obviously it was created by myself.
00:08:30
Speaker
in the nature, in the right state of mind. And even just beating the drum slowly and not even playing a tune on it, just having that frequency, man. I can certainly feel the effects from it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, totally, man. Yeah, music is deep, man. It's deep.
00:08:53
Speaker
It's all frequency. And if you get down into the nitty gritty woo woo stuff, which actually isn't really woo woo, you can get into the physics and science of it. Like everything is frequency and harmony and vibrations. So when you get into this sound and music, it's all just frequency and vibrations. And we're, we're vibratory beings and yeah, it's very healing. And then you can get into the rabbit holes of like the, um,
00:09:18
Speaker
Binaural beats and all that stuff. There's like binaural music or that stuff gets really cool when you can listen to that and puts you into like trance like states and it's deep, man. But one interesting thing that I heard about music like a while back or like a saying about it was like, someone said that it's the carrier signal of the divine. I always thought that was a really interesting quote. Yeah, I like that. That's dope. Yeah.
00:09:46
Speaker
Yeah. And I think it really can affect us like on a deep level and, um, you know, even deeper than, than just like our cellular body too. I feel like microbes are like, when I look into it, I, I feel like microbes are really more delicate than us and we are delicate electrical beings, but you know, I feel like just the, even things like electromagnetic frequencies, I feel like affect the microbes first. They affect the smallest, most delicate portion of our body first. And.
00:10:14
Speaker
I think, honestly, a way that music would be healing is directly through that. And obviously, I think it's directly through ourselves, too. But I hear a lot of things about music and how playing it even out in nature affects the ecosystem itself. It affects the fungal roots between trees and things like that. And it really elevates that, too. So that's kind of my thoughts if you're getting into the more micro talk there.
The Power of Thought and Intention
00:10:43
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean, that's that reminds me of like, like studies they've done where they play plants, like classical music, and they play plants, different types of music, and they watch them grow. And, and there's also that lady who there was, who was it, Masaru Emoto, he made that book,
00:11:02
Speaker
call the message hidden messages of water. Have you ever heard of that? Where he was? Yeah, so he was like playing like classical music for water and then freezing it and then he was placing playing heavy metal music for water and freezing it and it would come up with all these different crystal structures. The classical music crystal structures were like beautiful and the heavy metal is real chaotic. So like
00:11:24
Speaker
So music, you know, it's through, through that book and those experiments, he proved that it affects the water at like a cellular level and a crystal level. And we have like structured water inside all of ourselves. So yeah, I mean, the music could be affecting like the water inside of all of ourselves and everything. It's really interesting. Yeah, man. And, uh, yeah, we were talking about that recently on the last couple episodes there. And, um,
00:11:52
Speaker
Like we talked about Master Yomoto and Veda Austin as well and how even intention can affect that structured water, right? Like even just your thoughts, right? So that's another level, bro. I know. I know. It's mind blowing, man. It's almost hard to wrap your head around that. You're like, is that really happening? But her posts are unbelievable. It's amazing that she doesn't have like 10 million followers. You know what I mean? It's like, I just can't believe some of the stuff that she, Veda Austin posts on Unreal, man.
00:12:22
Speaker
It's art man. It's beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm not surprised that she's not a real famous because, um, you know, I feel like once you're, once you connect through, you can really connect to, to the truth through that. Like, I feel like once you're starting to understand that thoughts can affect water and you know, obviously we're mostly water, right? So I thought you couldn't really affect yourself and yeah, I'm not surprised. Yeah.
00:12:52
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. Like I'm surprised, but I'm also not surprised just like you, man. Yeah, because now you're getting into, okay, she's tapped into something that's very true. And now you're getting into almost like metaphysical spiritual type stuff, you're getting into like good and evil concepts.
00:13:11
Speaker
You know, negative thoughts are going to affect people around you. Negative thoughts are going to affect yourself. Um, are, are the negative thoughts that you so-called have in your head? Are those from you or that's actually from somewhere else? It makes you question all that stuff, you know, and now you're getting into just the whole biblical battle of good and evil. And when you start getting into that stuff and you're getting into tackling evil forces and stuff like that, it's, uh, the media doesn't want anything really to do with that. You know,
00:13:41
Speaker
that's just too, now you're getting into too much truth there. You know, you're helping too many people, you know? Yeah, they don't want that. No, doesn't make money. Yeah. That's it, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Very true. Yeah. Yeah. And like, like, you know, it's tough because
00:14:05
Speaker
It's not like the quick fix either. So, you know, I can understand from that perspective too, because, you know, changing your thoughts and having that control over yourself, like, and your emotions is a rather difficult thing. And it's something that, you know, you have to work hard at developing. It's not like a quick pill either. So, you know, I think society is in it for that quick fix too. So there's, I think there is that aspect of it. Um, but obviously it is, I feel like it's totally suppressed. I mean, that's, that's blatantly obvious too.
00:14:34
Speaker
Yeah, they don't want you, they don't want you to know certain things, man, especially like we're, we're in like an intellectual age right now. So they want us to be these empowered intellectual beings, you know, they're pushing college and university on every kid and they say, this is your only option. This is your only way to get into the world, whatever.
00:14:53
Speaker
And they're, you know, they're ignoring the fact that we are spiritual beings, you know, and there's an intellectual aspect of us, but for the most part, you know, and what I've learned over the last few years from a few different of my various teachers that I follow on the internet and that I've met through my life, that most thoughts, unless you're trying to, unless you're like analyzing a problem or
00:15:17
Speaker
fixing a problem or you're like thinking about building a home or building a house or constructing something. Our thoughts are not, they're not our own, you know.
00:15:25
Speaker
When you get these thoughts in your head, that voice in your head, whatever it is, whether it's audible or inaudible, that voice in your head is not, it's not us. It's, we don't know where it comes from. And this, you know, this is like the basis of all like meditation and everything like that is you're, you're getting down into a place where you can observe your thoughts and realize that you're not, you're not the thought. You're something else separate from that.
00:15:48
Speaker
And they don't want you to know that stuff. They want us to be all stuck in our heads, stuck in our imagination, thinking all the time, believing all the voices in our heads. Everybody has them. It's not just a schizophrenic thing. Everybody has them. Everybody's got those negative voices every once in a while to tell you certain things.
00:16:07
Speaker
It's a, yeah, it's a, it's a big thing that can help people overcome a lot of issues in life. If you just realize that they're not yours, those thoughts are not yours. And if you can just ignore them, you know, it would be awesome. Everybody could do that, but you know. Yeah. Well, it's almost like you got to realize you're the observer and not the thoughts themselves, right? And, uh, you know,
00:16:32
Speaker
You know, but I do want to point out like, you know, the thoughts are powerful in themselves though, right? So it's, it's important to be able to control it too, because you know, if your thoughts can affect things like water, there is that aspect of using your thoughts as a, you know, almost as a, as a, as a tool, right? As a tool, like your hands or whatever. It's just another part of you that you have to use correctly. Sure. Yeah. And I think, yeah, that's, you know, that could be like,
00:17:00
Speaker
difference between thought and intention, you know, like there's the intention behind the thoughts and things like that. But I think, I think what gets people is they get these thoughts in their head and then they confuse these thoughts for their own thoughts. And so they start believing, Oh, this is, this is what I'm thinking right now, man, I'm gonna, and then it, it gets very confusing for people.
00:17:22
Speaker
But yeah, if you can just proceed forward with good intention in your life and just in sort of just live in the moment and just be, just be like a witness, you know, and not, not ever get stuck in your head about anything and just witness and just observe. That's the true state of the human being. In my opinion, it's just, we're just here observing. That's it. Yeah. I like the way you put that a hundred percent. Now I want to tie it into,
00:17:52
Speaker
diet a little bit here. How do you feel like your way of eating right on the raw primal diet has helped your mental state? Have you found any connection there? Yeah, I believe so. Well, I believe for one thing, I'm a lot more clear headed, a lot less brain fog. I seem to be able to articulate
00:18:15
Speaker
Words better, conversate better, I have a better attention span when I'm talking with people. That's where I notice it the most is when I'm like engaged with other human beings. Because I think that's just like, that's a really important part of our life is when we're engaged with others. And so I always try to, everybody I think is trying to be at their best when they're engaged with other human beings. So that's when I notice it the most. And since I started like filming my journey five years ago,
00:18:41
Speaker
I now have like videos, like hundreds of videos of myself from five years ago, four years ago, three years ago. So I can, I can go back every once in a while and like click on the video and watch it and just, I'm like, man, I totally forgot that I was that guy. I remember, I remember that dude. I barely remember him, but man, I cannot believe I've made it this far, you know?
00:19:03
Speaker
So if you just look at my videos, you can kind of see it, I think. I definitely look different, but you can just tell my energy is different. But it's not just eating raw steaks didn't cure my life. I had a lot of personal issues and situations in my life.
Diet, Intuition, and Detox
00:19:23
Speaker
negative relationships and things that I had to work around that I did around the same time and You know healing family bonds and things like that that I think a lot of people have issues with So it was a combination of getting my diet completely in check and
00:19:40
Speaker
and eating what I thought was the most nutrient dense best diet in the possible world in the world and then eating all of the varieties of food that I could possibly eat like just eating all these different foods oysters and fish and liver and milk and butter and cheese and like just eating everything all at once and then getting my personal life in order too and starting to have some sort of like a spiritual practice in my life
00:20:08
Speaker
With all that stuff, yeah, like I'm thinking completely differently. And, uh, I feel like it definitely at least probably raised my IQ a little bit in my attention span and I'm just able to, yeah, able to, uh, problem solve a little bit better for sure. Yeah, man, definitely. And, uh, like you mentioned at the start there, like, um,
00:20:32
Speaker
Everything's connected, the mental, the spiritual and the physical bodies, right? So it's, it's about getting it all in order. Yeah. Yeah. And so, um, one thing that's talked about a lot on the primal diet is like, is detoxing heavy metals and, um, you know, heavy metals as common symptom of it is kind of brain fog and things like that too. So, you know, I'm sure, um, that might've played a role as well, right? Getting that, getting those metals out.
00:21:01
Speaker
I'm sure, yeah, I'm sure, man. And yeah, that's something I've thought about over the years, like, how the medals get in me? And are they still in there? Probably a little bit. But yeah, I mean, like, I guess you could start with how did the medals get in me and
00:21:19
Speaker
One thing that I think, one way that they can get in you is certain medical inoculations that we get. There's heavy metals in those. That's a way that they can get in your body. And they stay in there for quite a while.
00:21:35
Speaker
And also I've done some research into like different types of plants. Like I use cannabis for a long time. I know that's becoming like a really big thing nowadays because they're legalizing it everywhere. And like everybody thinks that like, you know, smoking weed is okay. And because it's legal, blah, blah, blah. But it's like, you got to look into it, man. First of all, all the pesticides are putting into it. And then also, um, from what I've read is one of, um,
00:22:03
Speaker
the strongest plants when it comes to pulling metals out of the soil into the plant. So, um, and I think tea is also one of those plants that does that. So you got to be careful with these like medicinal herbs because that's what I believe that's what they are. I don't believe they're terrible drugs. I believe they're medicinal herbs and have practical uses for people, but you got to be careful with them when you start using them every day, you know, because they got heavy metals in them. And, uh, so that could be one way that got into my body.
00:22:34
Speaker
So, but you know, going through the diet, I quit all that. I quit drinking coffee probably four years ago. You know, I quit the cannabis four years ago and you know, I've been completely sober for a long time trying to just, you know, keep my body clean of everything.
00:22:51
Speaker
And yeah, that's a crazy one, man, because there's a lot of different ways they can get in you. Chocolate, I guess, is a recent one that I've been reading about. There's a big article about this company that did a bunch of research on chocolate. And they took even the best so-called best chocolates from natural groceries and all that stuff, organic chocolates. And they tested them. And they had all these heavy metals in them, man, like nickel and lead and all this stuff.
00:23:18
Speaker
So it's like, you know, chocolates, you know, a plant comes from the cacao plant. So it's just like, you got to be real careful about these plants. If you're using them all the time, you know, you can get heavy metals in there for sure. Yeah, definitely. And I mean, they're spraying up in the skies too. And, you know, it's coming out of exhaust, a lot of like cadmium or aluminum, things like that. Right. So it's everywhere, man. It's everywhere. What are your thoughts on, uh,
00:23:46
Speaker
Heavy metals and fish, like old fish. Oh, yeah, like swordfish and tuna, like the bigger fish. That's a big question I get a lot, man, because that's something that's really pumped out in the mainstream. And in my opinion, if you see something that's being pushed out in the media or the mainstream and it's meant to scare you, it's typically untrue.
00:24:14
Speaker
That's been my experiences and it goes for almost everything. And when you realize that, it's like super enlightening and freeing when you realize that. So that is, I get that question all the time. I get that question as much as I get, why aren't you scared of parasites or E. coli or salmonella?
00:24:32
Speaker
So those are obviously ridiculous questions to me, because I know the truth about bacteria and parasites. So I think the heavy metals and the fish thing is also on that. But mostly the big reason I believe that is because of Ogden and Spunter Planets' study that he did on fish with metal. And he basically had, he fed it to some dogs, he fed
00:24:56
Speaker
fish with metals in it like he fed like swordfish to some dogs raw with some fat and then he fed like cooked swordfish to another set of dogs and then he studied their stools afterwards and he noticed that the raw fed dogs all the heavy metals came out in their stool whereas the cooked fed dogs the heavy metals are retained in their bodies
00:25:21
Speaker
So in my opinion, that was pretty big evidence that when you just cook the fish, you're somehow mutating the metals, you're destroying the fats so they can't encapsulate the metals properly and export out your body. And basically cooking the fish puts the metals in your body, whereas eating it raw doesn't. So that's why I'm not personally scared of metals and fish. Yeah, man. And that was one of the most profound things that I read actually. And it was one of the first things I read by
00:25:51
Speaker
And, um, it kind of put me, that's what really put me on to eating raw foods. You know, like you're just, you're altering the food enough that you can absorb heavy metals from it. Like there's, that's, that's just massive in my mind. Like, uh, I'll never eat raw fish. I'll tell you that, or sorry, I'll never eat cooked fish. I'll only eat it raw. Like sometimes I'll cook a steak, but, um, cause it's, it's good, but.
00:26:18
Speaker
fish man is way better raw too. It's way more tasty. Oh yeah. Yeah, for sure. That's one of those, that's one of those things like liver and oysters. It's like, how could you cook this man? And that's why, you know, sushi is so popular. Sushi is so popular because it's so good raw, you know? But, uh, yeah, other stuff people freak out about. Yeah. Yeah. I agree about the media thing. Like, you know, it just proves itself true over and over and over again too, right? That's
00:26:46
Speaker
It's kind of like a cheat code, eh? You know, if you want to know the truth, just go look at the media and do the opposite. It totally is, man. Yeah, if you want to know the truth, do the opposite of the media. If you want to know what's true about the medical industry, do the opposite of what the doctors do. That's what Agenis said. 99% of the time, do the opposite. Not always, though. Not always.
00:27:09
Speaker
medical system is there, um, for emergencies and they help, they say a lot of people's lives, you know, so, you know, when it comes to surgeons and things like that, they do, you know, emergency surgeries and stuff. The hospitals are, they save a lot of lives too, but so nothing is ever all good or all bad. That's where people get it mixed up. You know, true enough. True enough. Yeah. That's a great point. Yeah. I mean,
00:27:37
Speaker
The heavy metal thing, like, you know, I, I think, uh, it's tough because you, you kind of have to go through this constant detox with it because it's, you know, it's almost unavoidable too, right? Like, like it's getting sprayed down unless you're really living in the middle of nowhere. But even like you said, like the natural sources of it, like through plants, if you're going to be consuming that, like, and I'm sure there'd be a difference in consuming a raw cocoa bean.
00:28:05
Speaker
versus the chocolate that's been cooked and pasteurized, right?
00:28:11
Speaker
Probably. Yeah. I mean, probably. I haven't looked too deep into that really, but it would make sense that cooking it. But as far as I know, like raw cacao is just like so extremely bitter. You can't even eat it. So it just makes you wonder, like, should we, should we even be eating this stuff? You know, if you, if you can't pull it off the plant and eat it, you got to process it and like, uh, and like sort of water it down and mix it with sugar and stuff.
00:28:38
Speaker
Cause like just 100% rock a cow is just like, it's almost unedible, you know? So it just makes you wonder. I actually, uh, I did, I did order some in the past and, and, uh, what I do, they're just little beans, right? I'd put with maple syrup and it was pretty good at that point, but yeah, to eat it straight up was kind of tough. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Like I would presume that.
00:29:08
Speaker
Like you said, though, it's about balance. You're not going to go and eat the amount of rock cacao that you would eat in a chocolate bar. If you're going to eat rock cacao, you might eat a bean or two out if you're in a natural environment. So it's all about the intuition with eating, too. But I really do think that when it's cooked, it's just completely altering it, too. So it's kind of hard to make claims off the cook stuff. Although I'm not disagreeing with you here, I'm just kind of speculating, too.
00:29:38
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you know, there's, there's probably a role that the microbes are playing in the digestion of that. Or even, you know, when I think of things like anti nutrients, I think, well, maybe the anti nutrients are in those plants for a reason. Maybe they help with not absorbing heavy metals or, you know, I'm not a hundred percent sure. I haven't looked into it overly. It's kind of just a thought that's, that's crossed my mind. Yeah, man. Yeah. Yeah. When you get into the science and stuff, like I, I come from,
00:30:07
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I don't know if I would say a science background, but a science mind. I was always really interested in math and science and really good at that stuff in school. I have the ability to understand it. The more I get into the science when it comes to nutrition and food and health and stuff, I'm just like, this stuff just seems like a distraction, almost like a waste of time.
00:30:29
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If you just use your intuition, that's why we have God-given intuition. Before there were science books, we didn't have anything. We just had our intuitions. If we were hungry and starving and walking through the forest and we found
00:30:46
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like a cacao plant, would we have eaten those beans? Would we have wasted that time doing that? Or we would just like started eating like bugs and lizards and animals and instead, you know? Like I personally don't think I would have been drawn towards a lot of different plants, plant foods just because of their taste. Yeah, I think intuition is huge. And you know, like before the invention of the microscope,
00:31:15
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Like we were, they had suspicions that like microbes existed, but like they had like no clue. That's which is pretty mind blowing because the microscope is like not that new. I mean, it's not that old, I should say. So before that, like they didn't even know about microbes and things like that. So.
00:31:33
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And they were healthy. They were probably healthier than we are back then. So like, so what's, what's the point? You know, that's what, the more I get into this stuff and I see other, other health influencers and other health channels and stuff. And there's people that just, they have really interesting and like, uh, almost like, um, it's entertaining stuff when it comes to like getting into the science. But I'm just like, is it really necessary? You know, I just, I always question it.
00:32:00
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It can be fascinating though when you do like an actual scientific experiment like the one we talked about with odds in this and the fish and the dogs. I love that stuff. Like that stuff is very like easy to understand. You fed a dog this, you fed this other dog this, and there's two different things happens. It's like so easy to understand. I love stuff like that. I love experiments, you know, personally. Yeah, well, I feel like that's closer to what science truly is.
00:32:29
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It is. It's not really epidemiology or anything like that. Right. Yeah. We're splitting hairs and we're getting into the weeds and everybody's just getting lost into nutrition land. And that's why everybody's so confused, man. So that's why I love doing what I do. Cause I'm just like, I just like tape myself eating raw meat.
00:32:50
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And, uh, and that's it. I'm just like, jump to your own conclusions, man. Draw your own conclusions from this. Ask your own questions. You can ask me all the questions you want. I'm not going to sit here and make a lot of claims. I'm just going to do this and we'll see what happens. It's an experiment. Yeah. That's it, man. That that's, uh, and it's probably a source of, of, uh,
00:33:14
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of your mental clarity too, right? And kind of your mental health, right? Like you're just doing what feels good for you and you're connecting to instinct and your intuition. I feel like that plays a huge role in mental health. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Because like we were talking about earlier, like I'm not lost in my head. I'm not sitting here getting lost in my imagination and daydreaming about
00:33:35
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all the different stuff, all the different, you know, facts and information about food and all this stuff you can read online and books and reading books about food, you know, it's just all this. It's just like, just go out there and be the experiment, you know, experiment on yourself. And it's just, yeah, it's easy, easy life. Yeah. Like, you know, and I certainly went through that too, and I'm starting to connect more of my intuition now. But you know, when I first started getting into,
00:34:03
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like really the nitty-gritty with more meat and stuff like that. I followed a lot of Paul Saladino's work and he scared me to death about anti-nutrients and the big one was avidin and egg whites, the thing that binds biotin. So I was eating egg yolks, only egg yolks for a long period of time and at one point I was like,
00:34:24
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man, I was like, there's no way that I, if I was in the woods, am I going to separate out the yolk from the egg white? I'm just going to eat the whole thing, man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's another great one that people talk about all the time, man. I've been eating raw eggs in a hole for like five years and I don't have like a biotin deficiency, you know? So what, what does the deal, I eat five a day every morning. It's like, I don't have any issues.
00:34:54
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And yeah, like you said, just put yourself in a primitive setting and people have a lot of questions about nutrition and health and food. And they want to ask me, you know, how much should I be eating? How often should I be eating? How often should I eat liver? How often should I eat brain? Blah, blah, blah. And I just go, put yourself into like a tribal situation. Like how often would you have went and killed a deer or an elk, right? You know, how big is your tribe? Let's say you have a tribe of like, I don't know, five, 10 people, you kill a deer.
00:35:24
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Once a week or something, you know, so you have like one brain a week or you have like one liver. You split the liver up between three, four people. You have like a little chunk of liver once a week. You know what I mean? Like just, you got to think about it that way. Like realistically, like we didn't have like the internet where you could just order the liver to your mailbox and just stock your freezer full of liver and eat like a pound of liver every day. Like that's not right.
00:35:49
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So like, they're like, what about, what about hypervenomosis? Hey, what about like, you know, liver toxicity, vitamin A toxicity, blah, blah, blah. And I'm just like, I'm like, just put yourself into a primitive setting. How much liver would you have actually eaten? You know? And to me, it seems like, um, maybe like half a pound a week, you know, a couple pounds a month seems seems like normal to me. That's about it. Yeah.
00:36:20
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Couple ounces a day. Might be a lot, eh? Couple ounces a day might actually be too much. What's that now? Couple ounces a day might actually be too much. I don't know. Because that's like a pound a week.
00:36:39
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I don't know if I necessarily buy into the hyper-vitamosis A stuff. I don't know if I necessarily buy into the vitamin A overloads, the vitamin overloads, because now someone sent me, who was it? It was Sophia. Do you follow her on Instagram, Sophia? Milk and Honey, I think is one of her- No, Milk and Honey. Yeah, I think I do. Yeah.
00:37:03
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She's good, man. Because every once in a while, she comes through with just like a banger post. And she posted one recently about how there's no evidence that there's actually a thing called vitamin deficiencies. So like, if you look into like the history, I don't know if you've ever looked into the history of like vitamins. But it's if you haven't looked it up, man, it's really interesting, like, like who discovered the first vitamin. And it's really interesting, man, I could
00:37:31
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Well, we can look at some sense geology. It was a vitamin C, right?
Critique of Supplements and Science
00:37:37
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Um, it might've, it might've been, but, uh, me and my wife were looking it up the other night and it just blew our minds. Cause it was really interesting. Like it's, it's just all like, it's almost like all a lot of nonsense, dude. Oh, it was vitamin A. It was vitamin A. Frederick, Frederick Galland Hopkins.
00:38:02
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Yeah. Yeah. Um, I've heard of that work. Um, I, I listened to, uh, Daniel Roytas from humanely and I think he's pretty tight with, with Sophia. Um, and they kind of have the same views on, on vitamins and things of that nature. So yeah, that's a super interesting topic, man. I definitely don't understand it well enough, but from what I heard, it was like, you know, all vitamin
00:38:28
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you know, whatever we would call a vitamin deficiency just leads to more of like a backup in the body of toxicity. So it's like, yeah, so you're dealing with more than just a deficiency, like, anyway, super, super cool stuff, man. Yeah, I'm looking at it right now. And yeah, the scurvy thing was like a long time ago, they realized that like citrus foods obviously helped prevent scurvy. But um,
00:38:56
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There was another situation where some other guy had like some animals or something. I don't know if I'm gonna be able to find it right now, but he had some animals and he discovered that like when he fed them this certain thing, he fed them like the rice, like without the husk or something or with the husk or something like that. And he found that they got like sick if he fed them one way, but if he fed them the other way, they got healthier.
00:39:25
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And so then he came up with like vitamins after that and just, but anyways, um, I need to get the story down a little bit better before I start talking about it. But, but anyways, it's just fascinating that when you look into like the actual vitamin deficiency stuff, it could be just like toxicity in the body. Yeah. And like, um, I think I heard, I think it was either Sophia or, uh, Daniel Roy to speaking about it. Um,
00:39:52
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And it was like they were talking about Weston A. Price's work and they weren't necessarily discounting his observations, but they were kind of just saying, you know, these people were living in accordance with nature, right? They weren't living, you know, trying to eat their vitamins and get their vitamin intake. They were just living off of their land and obviously in a more communal space. And, you know, stress was probably not a factor except for waking up and maybe getting your food. But that seems more like a natural stress than anything.
00:40:22
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You know, you weren't burdened by thoughts and, you know, knowledge or information all the time. So, uh, their proposition was that it was more about just living this natural way than trying to get all the vitamin A that you possibly can and drinking cod liver oil all the time. I know. Yeah. That's really interesting, man. Yeah. That could very well be true. Cause cause yeah, I mean, I, you see situations, uh, where people.
00:40:48
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they, they're not necessarily eating like nutrient dense foods all the time, but they look really healthy. And it's like, how does that work? You know, like, so yeah, it's, it's definitely not just all about vitamins, man. That's, that's for sure. And, and like, just like, just like we talked about with the media, like, you know, if they're trying to scare you with like an article or a news story or something, you can almost guarantee that it's fake or it's not real. Um,
00:41:18
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You can say that, like, I just forgot what I was going to say. I just lost my train of thought. Sorry. Well, I think I'll add that, you know, the supplement thing, like when you go down in the grocery store, like, um, you go into the pharmacy and what do you see now whole section of synthetic vitamins or minerals, whatever it may be. And, you know, the supplement industries,
00:41:47
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not so much different than the pharmaceutical industry in my mind. Right. Right. And that, that reminds me of my point I just lost. So like I said, like if the media is trying to pump out negativity, you can almost guarantee it's wrong. If, if the media or the social medias are trying to promote something very heavily, you can almost guarantee it's BS as well.
00:42:08
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And all you hear about is like vitamins, man. You got to take your vitamins. You got to make sure you have your vitamins, blah, blah, blah. And then supplementation. People are pushing supplements so heavy, so heavy, so heavy. And you can just almost guarantee that like, there's, you know, that's not the answer. You know, cause everybody's, everybody's got to take their vitamins and supplements, blah, blah. It's like, Hmm, there's a different way to do it. You know? Yeah, I agree. I don't think, uh,
00:42:38
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Supplements are the are the whole story here for for optimal health, you know, it's you know, it's hard to discount The entire thing because you do see like it's hard to deny that you see people Take supplements and kind of get a little better, right? I have I have seen that and I've experienced it myself like even taking magnesium in the past you know, maybe it's because I was you know, and I'm gonna you say the word deficient here, but
00:43:05
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You know, maybe there was a role in that, but you know, it could have just been the whole lifestyle factor change too. Like I feel like once people start getting into supplements, they're starting to just overall get a little healthier too, right? So yeah, that's exactly what's happening. And there's all these confounding variables and you don't know what caused what, but you just want to assume that.
00:43:24
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supplement did it was also the placebo effect which is like. Extremely powerful you know there's also that there's also just believing that you're getting healthier you'll actually get healthier and if you believe you're getting more sick you will get more sick that comes down to the intentions influencing your environment thing you know.
00:43:43
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So, you know, positive thinking, you'll get healthier, negative thinking, you're going to get more sick. And so there's just, there's so many factors that go into it, but, but yeah, there's just, when you look at like the studies and there's no evidence at all that supplements actually work at all, especially like the vitamin D, all that stuff.
00:44:00
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And then that even rolls over into big pharma and to like antidepressants and things like that. There's no, there's no evidence that those work either. But then again, you see people that take them and they swear by them. So yeah, there's something else going on, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Especially in the mental health thing, like, well, they even like,
00:44:24
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the establishments even come out with these massive umbrella analysis of, you know, the serotonin theory of depression, that it's a serotonin deficiency or that SSRIs work. And like, it's kind of, it's admitted, you know, it was, that was a study that came out like maybe a year ago or something. And it was like, they concluded that there's just no evidence to say that it's a serotonin deficiency or that SSRIs actually work objectively. So.
00:44:52
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I would say the placebo affects the biggest thing there, man. Probably. Yeah, probably. Yeah, the whole the whole theory.
00:45:01
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that there's low dopamine levels or low serotonin levels. That was all theory. And they based all of these medications that they designed and created based on a theory that was unproven. And they just promoted it to everybody and told them this is what's going on and everybody believed it, but it's never been proven. Like the whole serotonin deficiency stuff
00:45:26
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It's like, where's the measurements at? They don't even measure your serotonin. So how do they know it's deficient? And then how did it, how do they know how much to give you after that? They give everybody the same amount. It's just, it doesn't make any sense, man. It was just a big money grab, you know? And I kind of parallel that to like religion, man. And that's why I kind of look at science as more of a religion than anything. It's like a belief system, right? It's like, if you're gonna, well, everyone's so
00:45:54
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brainwashed into thinking that science knows all the answers, right? And that's probably the reason why these placebos are working, but it's no different than back before science, all you had was, you know, the church telling you that your disease was caused by sin and, you know, you're deficient in the divine and, you know, it's kind of the same story just recycled. It is. It is, man. It is, dude. And
00:46:19
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And like, who knows a little bit of the answer might be just, uh, you know, all these different things might just be one piece of the puzzle. You know, maybe the church wasn't a hundred percent wrong. Maybe science isn't a hundred percent wrong. Maybe these guys over here on a hundred percent, maybe the witch doctors aren't a hundred percent wrong. Maybe everybody's got, they're just all pointing towards the truth in their own little way, but you can't like put all your eggs on one basket and just believe one.
Questioning Authority and Societal Norms
00:46:43
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group of people, you got to always just take it for a grain of salt and just, you know, um, look at all the possible solutions. Yeah. So like when it comes down to it, like getting back to your intuition, right? And kind of doing what's true and, and being mindful and kind of getting rid of these ideas in your mind, like, like what do you think about that? Like, and, and like, because
00:47:08
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All I can see is that, you know, you got to just get away from this, these dogmas that are pushed onto us and start doing what's right for you and you'll find the truth within yourself. Yeah, exactly, man. It's all about just being like a free thinker and, um, not being afraid to question authority. That's a big part of it. And not being afraid to look crazy and just, but yeah, it all, it all comes down to free thinking, independent thinking, man.
00:47:38
Speaker
And some people are like that. Some people aren't, but it's like, and they got to have courage too. It takes a lot of courage to question the status quo, you know, question the medical system. Like, uh, everybody questions the government. That's almost like mainstream now to question the government. Yeah.
00:47:58
Speaker
That's normie, normie stuff, man. But like, once you start questioning doctors, you know, and then start questioning like religious leaders and things like that. And then you start really pissing some people off. So it takes, it takes free thinking and it takes courage, man. And, and yeah, you just gotta, there's a, there's a certain type of person out there that's like, it's, um, they're harder to brainwash than other people, you know, and those are the people that,
00:48:26
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we run into online and you know, that's our community, but yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like the, it's funny. They're like, just thinking about like eating raw meat was kind of a step in the right direction for me, you know, because it's like you eat it and everybody in my life criticize that. They're like, you're crazy, man. Like you're crazy. You're going to die of
00:48:55
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whatever bacteria or whatever it may be. Um, I just thought that was the right step, like a good step in the, in the right direction. You know, it is for sure. It is, man. Yeah. It's, uh, it's very interesting people's reactions to it. And when you get reactions like that, man, you can almost guarantee that you're like, you're doing the right thing. You know, it's fun after a while. It just gets fun. Cause you just expect it. I just laugh at people, man. Now, like.
00:49:24
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Now I'm to the point to where I'm eating high meat at my job for breakfast. So I drink my clabbered milkshake with five raw eggs. And then about an hour or two later, I'll just open up that jar of high meat. And these guys are just like, oh, man, come on, man. Go outside with that shit. And I'm just laughing, dude, so hard. Because I know how delicious it is.
00:49:54
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But at the same time, I know how disgusting it looks, you know? And so it's just, it's funny when you can kind of see both sides and just kind of just whatever, laugh it off. Yeah. That's it, man. Keeping it light. Cause you don't want to stress yourself out about it either. If you're eating meat and you're just like stressed about what everyone's thinking about you cause your problems too. Yeah. I think, I think it's easier for guys because, because women are, um, there's so much more concerned about their appearance and how they look to people and.
00:50:23
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their reputation. That's like a big thing with women. So that's why I think you see a lot more men than women doing this. I don't think it's necessarily a barbaric thing, you know? Because my wife, she eats 100% raw with me and she's not like a barbarian type woman, you know? She's a very sweet girl, you know?
00:50:45
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But she eats all the crazy stuff with me too. But she just doesn't care as much, you know, because she's got me by her side, you know, she doesn't care what people think. But I think yeah, it's guys can kind of just laugh it off because we're more barbaric. But yeah, that's the way to do it. Yeah, and like, it's a tough thing to like, just being on the question side of things, because you're just like an outcast.
00:51:13
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from pretty much all society, like, man, through COVID there, like, that's kind of when I had my shift in perspective and like, you'd be going to the store and I'd be the only one without a mask on and I'd have like 50 people saying something to me, you know, it was like a, it was like almost a challenge. I mean, like it was kind of, I always try to find humor in it. Like I'd laugh it off or make a joke or be like, you know, there's a, what's a pandemic? Like, what, what do you mean? What's going on?
00:51:41
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and find and light in it. But you know, I remember like the first few times doing it, like you're kind of heart racing and you're thinking, oh, is someone going to say something to me or whatever? Like, you know, this challenge would take that first step too. It is, man. Yeah. I went through the same thing, man. I remember like, like just going to the store to get something to eat. And it was like, I'm like preparing for battle or something, you know, like, all right, here we go. And like, all I'm doing is just walking in. It's so stupid.
00:52:10
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But it's all about consent. This is what Owen Benjamin talks about quite a bit. I don't know if you know who he is, but he's a very enlightening guy, and he talks about consent. These guys, the government, whoever it is, they can't do anything to you unless you consent to it. And I ran into this a lot of times with the mask stuff. I'd walk into the hardware store, and a guy, manager would come up to me and say, here, do you want a mask?
00:52:38
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And I would say, no, I'm good. You know, or do you want to come back here and put a mask on? No, I'm good. I'm good. He's like, are you sure? And I'm like, yeah, I'm fine. He's like, okay. And he just walked away. So like, I was like, is that easy? He's got to tell him I don't want to wear one. But there was other situations where I got asked to leave too, you know? So I did that. And then there was other situations where I wore one because I needed to get a haircut and I didn't want to disrespect my barber, you know? Yeah.
00:53:08
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So I went ahead and just put one on when I got a haircut for this certain guy because it was a very small environment. And I don't know how they, their views on germs and stuff. And I, I wasn't back then, I wasn't willing to grow my hair out. I wish I would have just grown it out, but
00:53:26
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So yeah, there's situations I did, I did bend a little bit. Um, I had some situations at work where we had to, um, enter like hospitals and stuff, and I had to work for my job. I wasn't willing to quit my job over that, but for the most part, yeah, I tried to define as much as I could just because it was nonsense, you know? Yeah. And to keep it simple, like obviously you had to bend a little bit like
00:53:54
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in the situations where you want to be respectful to people and things like that. I think the way you go about it is important too. Because when I was confronted about it, it's not like I was causing a scene, screaming, oh, microbes don't cause disease. You're an idiot, whatever. You're not coming at them disrespectfully either. It's no thank you. I'm all right. Make a little joke or whatever, and then hopefully you're just on your way. Obviously, sometimes
00:54:24
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people are on the fight inside of you and they want to, they want to tell you what to do and what's right for you. And, but in, I think just having that respectful demeanor, well, it was important in, in that situation, but you know, in all, in all situations. Sure. Yeah. Totally. It's all about how you handle it. Really. You know, the first guy that loses cool loses the battle. Really. It's just about standing firm. Yeah, man. 100%. That's great. And obviously we're,
00:54:54
Speaker
on the other side of it. And now you look back and you think, Oh, I should have done this or I should have done that. But that's not very helpful either. Right? Like just got to keep moving forward with it. Yeah. That was wild. That was a wild situation, man. And luckily I didn't have to deal with it a whole lot because everybody at my work knew it was total nonsense, including the owner and everybody that worked there. So none of us had to deal with anything at work.
00:55:21
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And, uh, I was never forced to do anything that I really, really didn't want to do. So, but yeah, a lot of people, man, that situation woke up a lot of people, man. And, uh, I was, I was fortunate enough to wake up, uh, a couple of years before COVID, you know, I was making videos on viruses and stuff like that. Like before, before that even happened, which is, which is interesting. So it's like, uh, it's like God woke me up before that. And it was like.
00:55:48
Speaker
Let me just teach you a couple of things here because there's going to be, there's going to be something in the horizon here in the next couple of years that you might want to know about. So, but even, even if I didn't, you know, discover oddness and all this crap, like my intuition still would have been like, no, I'm not going to do all this stupid stuff. That's just always been my, that's always been sort of my vibe. You know, people tell me what to do. Fair enough, man. Yeah.
00:56:19
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Yeah. Yeah. And like, like that, that's cool, man. Because, you know, I, I woke up like kind of during, during it, I was in my second year, like in my undergrad and, um, I just kind of stumbled upon Andrew Kaufman's work and he really got me into the idea. And then I actually discovered Agenus like only about a year, year ago. My buddy did give me a tip on him before, but I didn't look into it. And, uh, but you know, man, like.
00:56:49
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Like I kind of think they screwed up during COVID. Like I feel like they pushed the envelope a little too much. And cause I know a lot of people that are like, you know, if we were to go through it again, like it would be a very different scenario this time. So I kind of feel like it was, it was good in a way because of, well, I'm very grateful for it because obviously I'm, you know, I've, I've changed quite a bit and my perspective has shifted for the better. Um, you know, so that's where I have my gratitude for it, but I just feel like in general, that's it.
00:57:18
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big shift that I've been seeing, especially in younger people. Yup. Yup. It's dude. That's, that's like the nature of evil is that it always ends up destroying itself. It's that's, that's its nature is to destroy and it will consume itself eventually. If you just let it run its course, that's why there's no sense in getting freaked out about this scary stuff in the media or stuff that may actually be true. You know, like, Oh, there's another pandemic coming, blah, blah. It's just like,
00:57:47
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just let it run its course and you'll see that these guys will destroy themselves, man. And that's exactly what happened with, with COVID man is they, they ran the script too long and people started going, wait a second, like hang on a sec here. You know, first of all, it's safe and effective. Then it's only 80% effective. Then you need four of them.
00:58:08
Speaker
And then now, you know, now, uh, 6 million people died. It's just like, you know, what's the truth here? Like I thought it was safe and effective. And then, you know, like all this, you know, a lot of people woke up to that cause they, they tried to run in the script a little bit too long. They got, they got greedy, man, you know, cause, uh, cause evil forces, they feed off of people's fear. It's like their food, you know? So they, the COVID thing just, it was just a total just freak out campaign.
00:58:38
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and it just freaked out the world and then all the little gremlins were just loving it. So anyways, yeah, that's what they did is they ran the script too long and you'll see that happening too with
00:58:52
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not to get into too many like social or political issues or anything like that, but there's certain social issues and political issues being pushed now on mainstream media and television and things like that, that they're also running the script a little bit too far and people are starting to see it. So it's not going to work. Yeah, man. And I always say that the real contagion is fear. Yeah.
00:59:21
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You know, yeah, spreads like wildfire. Fear is the mind killer, man. Dude, it's all, it's all biblical, dude. It's like, once you just, once you realize that and you just like, you break everything down into its working parts and look at it and you're just like, wow, it's like, I'm not like a big, you know, Bible beer or anything like that. But I'm just like, all this stuff was like almost predicted like 2000 years ago. If you just look into it.
00:59:48
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You know, just when it comes to fear, fear is just like, yeah, it's just straight up from the devil, dude. So, yeah, it's very interesting stuff. I found it's cyclical too, right? Like it's like, it just kind of happens in a different script. It's the same, like you said, you break things down to its components and you're just seeing it cycle through history. It's just kind of the same story, but the different words. Yeah, it really is, man. They say history repeats itself.
01:00:17
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And that's exactly what's going on. And they say, there's a lot of sayings about history, but like, you don't, you basically like, you have to study history or else you're doomed to repeat it. And so that's why people laugh at, laugh at people that try to promote certain things. And they're like, didn't you, haven't you read a history book? Like, this isn't going to work, dude. Like communism or something. Like, do you want a hundred million people to starve? Haven't you read history books? You know? Yeah.
01:00:47
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Stuff like that. My favorite quote about history is, we learn from history that we don't learn from history. I think Hegel said that. Oh, that's great. That's my favorite one. That's a good one, for sure. Because you see it, man. You see people who study history, right? You have people who study history and they're still wearing the mask. They're saying, where are the masks going? Well, could you believe all that propaganda back in World War II or something, right? Yeah.
01:01:19
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So it's kind of tough, man. And getting to that point is kind of tough too.
Self-Development and Personal Responsibility
01:01:25
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And I feel like it's a real internal battle because you go through your phases too. And I went through my phases where it was like, I have to try and wake everyone else up and really push everything onto everyone around me. And I just didn't find that very helpful. Doing it in the most passive way is the best way in my mind. As I just kind of focus on myself and develop myself,
01:01:49
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Everyone around me gets better. They all progress. And so it's just like, you know, what, what do you think about that? Like, what do you think about, you know, self-development as help and others? Like, man, I tried to push it on to everybody, man, but that just doesn't work. Oh yeah, dude. I've been through a lot too, man. I want to do that whole thing. You know, I want to tell everybody like, Oh, you got to eat raw meat, dude. It's going to save your life. No, like.
01:02:16
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It's going to fix everything, blah, blah, blah. Like you got to stop eating vegetables and the carnivore diet, dude, you got to get on the carnivore diet. And just, I went through that whole thing because it was changing my life, but just the looks like people just don't care, man. Like people, first of all, like people don't really care in general. They don't care what you eat. No one cares what you eat, man. If you want to bore somebody to death, tell them, you know, without them asking you what you eat, they don't care.
01:02:43
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And they don't care to tell you what they eat either. It's just boring, man. But you can't wake anybody up. You can't wake people up. They will wake up on their own. And I believe that the best way I can see it is only God wakes people up.
01:03:02
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And all we can do is build community because there's strength in numbers. So all we can do is just send our little beacon out our little frequency out like you're doing right now. You're going to record this. You're going to upload it and you're going to send out this little beacon of light and frequency into the universe. And it's going to draw on some people and they're most likely going to be already in the process of waking up, you know, if they have found your channel.
01:03:31
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And it's going to build community and then you just now you have strength and numbers. And then, you know, I'm not really sure what happens from there because I'm kind of at that point right now where I'm just, I'm building community. But like, beautiful things can happen, man. You know, like I met my wife.
01:03:52
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through this, through this whole process, like through this whole thing that I'm talking about, you know? So like I met her through that and we're going to start a family and we're going to have children like all because of this, like building community thing. So like it's powerful, you know, so a lot can come from it. If you just don't worry so much about trying to change people and trying to convert people or trying to shame people that don't believe what you believe.
01:04:17
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It's about having compassion for other people and realizing that even though they may think opposite of you, that could have been you 10 years ago. I believed a lot of stuff 15 years ago that I don't believe today. So everybody's in their own stage of development, their own growth process. And it's just a matter of what I try to do with my channel is just stay in my lane.
01:04:40
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And I try not to jab at other people and just build community and just see what happens from there, man. That's all we can really do. Yeah. Well, you kind of do that. Just what you're doing, man. You go on live and you just do your thing. You're just doing your thing, man. And it's attracting people, right? People, I feel like people have an affinity for what's real too. Like people are drawn to the truth. It's, it's no doubt like, you know, a lot of
01:05:06
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you know, elderly people are really tapped in, man. And you know, they may be, you know, they never caught, like people are caught up in their own dogma and things like that. But you know, you tend to just tap in naturally through life. Yeah, exactly. It's that source. It's, uh, it's cool to talk about, man. And like, you know, it's cool to read about it too. And, um,
01:05:36
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But getting back to what we were talking about earlier, you know, the information can kind of hinder you too, man, because like, like when I was looking at, like when I started looking into all this stuff, it was like, you know, the elites or whatever, you're looking into that and these rich families and you know, then I developed a hatred towards them and you know, you can get kind of stuck in that loop of inaction and just learning about who's controlling the world and you know, they're doing this to us. And I think that's also really problematic. What are your thoughts on that?
01:06:05
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Dude, a hundred percent, man. Now you're getting into blaming groups of people for your problems, you know, and which is, uh, so many people do that, you know, like if it's the Democrats, it's all the Republicans problems. It's the Republicans, it's the Democrats, you know?
01:06:23
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And then you got the media trying to blame white people and blame black people. And you got the elites and you got the Illuminati and you got like the Jews and like whoever people want to try to blame, like all their problems on, like it's all, it's all BS, man. Like, cause now you're making yourself a victim. You're painting yourself a victim. And like, that's a, that's a bad place to be when you have now made yourself to be a victim for me. I'm being victimized by these people.
01:06:52
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And you're not taking a responsibility for your own issues. And, you know, so there's ways around, there's ways around the system. And, um, you know, Owen Benjamin is a great guy to learn about this stuff from, but you can build your own communities. You can build your own systems outside of the beast and you can operate outside of it. You don't have to consent to what they're doing and you don't have to be a victim at all. You can just, you know,
01:07:17
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build your own beautiful life and just pay attention to what's good, true and beautiful to you and just not, not look at all that other stuff. You know, cause that's what, that's like the point of evil is it wants you to focus on all this other stuff and paint yourself a victim. And it's just a, you know, it's a, it's a sick place to be. Love it, man. Responsibility. You got to take responsibility for your own life in every way, man. Every way.
01:07:43
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What's the, it's the black pill, man. Like a lot of people when they, it's the process, you know, when you get into this whole thing, you take the black pill and you're like, Oh man, I'm getting screwed. Got screwed by the doctors. I got screwed by my teachers. I got screwed by the government. Like, man, we're getting screwed here, man. And then you get into red pills. You start getting red pill on stuff. And then, uh, um, then you get clown pill. That's what, um, Gavin McInnes coined that term. And then you can just laugh at it.
01:08:13
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Yeah. And then you realize there is no pill. Yeah, that's good, man. Yeah. Well, I mean, it seems like a pretty good time to wrap it up there, man. I think, uh, I think we kind of circled through a lot of things here. Um, that was great. Like if I could ask you one last question, you know, what would be the, if you could, if you could give it concretely, like,
01:08:41
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you know, because things are abstract and people do love the concrete, you know, what, you know, what are the things that you can do that are, that are going to help you live naturally tune into that intuition in this modern world? What's the one thing that helped you the best, man? Um, I think, I think, uh, diet is huge. Like I was talking about earlier, diet is huge. Um, family, family is wealth.
01:09:12
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and just trying to be a compassionate person, forgiving person. There's a lot of principles, a lot of spiritual principles I think help, but just trying to be at peace and living in harmony with your environment and being outside and grounding and trying to build community, build family, create,
Spirituality and Personal Sovereignty
01:09:40
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Creating I think is a huge thing idle hands is the work of the devil You know the devil's playground so keeping your hands busy creating things But there's a lot of different things man. I can't really point my finger at one, but um yeah, I think Getting in tune with your spiritual side is a big part of it though because I think at our core we are spiritual beings and we're just kind of living in our our flesh suit so I
01:10:06
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the more you can kind of get in tune with that, the metaphysical side of the reality, I think the more things will start to become clear about the nature of our reality around us. Yeah. Well, I think put that very well. I know it's not, it's a, it's kind of hard question. It's not just one thing, right? That you can do it's, but I find putting that, putting that first foot forward and you know,
01:10:33
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The other foot just follows man. And then you're just walking and you're going like, and things kind of just seem to come in and align together. Right. Sure. Yeah. Just do what's in front of you. Do what's in front of you every day, man. Don't look back, don't look forward and just do what's in front of you every day and just work hard, man.
Closing Thoughts and Connections
01:10:52
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Especially if you're a man, work hard and you will be known by the fruits of your labor, as they say. That's great. Well, Wes, thanks for coming on. I really appreciate it.
01:11:05
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You bet, man. That was really fun, dude. Appreciate it. Cool. Yeah, I enjoyed that. So why don't you tell the listeners how they can support your work. I know you've got a tallow company and you do one-on-one consultations.
01:11:18
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Yeah. Yeah. You can find me on Instagram, the real natural human diet. And you can find me on YouTube, the natural human diets. And then we also have a grass fed tallow based balm and cream company that we just started. And that's a row naturals.shop. It's R O W E naturals.shop. And then we also have an Instagram at row naturals.
01:11:43
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And you can support me through there. And if you're interested in consultations, I do consultations. I have an email for that. It's 88668 at protonmail.com. And then you can get ahold of me through Instagram too. I've seen a lot of good reviews on that tile too. Yeah. Yeah. People love it, man. It's a high quality product. I'm not going to
01:12:06
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I'm not going to like, you know, not going to say it's not. It's a great product, dude. It's not going to sell anything. That's not just top quality. We get all like the best ingredients you can get. And it's, it's the best kind of moisturizer or like balm that you could use on your skin. So unreal. We got more stuff coming too. We're going to make some natural soaps and all sorts of stuff. Yeah, I think that's a, that's a good field to be in right now, man. Natural products are,
01:12:34
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Especially high quality ones are hard to come by, man. Like, you know, we're bombarded by those petrochemical products, man. So, so bad. So bad. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love it, man. All right. And, uh, I want to thank you listener. Um, you know, everyone should know that this is not medical advice as for informational purposes only. Uh, remember though, we're all responsible for sovereign beings. We're capable of thinking, criticizing and understanding anything. We, the people with the greater forces.
01:13:04
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are together, self healers, self-governable, self-teachers, and so much more. Please reach out if you have any questions, criticism, comments, anything left to chat beyond.terrain on Instagram. Go check out Wes's channel. He's unreal. He's just a fountain of knowledge. You know, we really scratched the surface today. He does great chats, little, he just eats raw meat on Instagram. It's the coolest thing, man. You can go ask him questions and, and yeah, I love it.
01:13:30
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I appreciate every single person that listened today. If you enjoyed it, found it informative anyway, please like, share, comment, support me, and go support Wes too. Remember, there are two types of people in the world, those who think they can, those who think they can't, both are correct. Keep putting one foot in front of the other, do what's in front of you, keep on trucking, you'll be all right. All right, take care, guys.