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Ep 145: Heat (Mental Health Month)
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With the passing of Val Kilmer, Derrick decided to pivot his Mental Health choice this month to one of his favorite Kilmer films, 1995's HEAT, directed by Michael Mann. The ultimate heist movie, featuring the first on-screen appearance of Al Pacino and Robert De Niro together. It's a very long movie, with no wasted moments, a deep cast, and some of the best sound design that's ever been committed to film.
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Transcript
Introduction and Velociraptor Jokes
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While you hunt a velociraptor, I hunt it. Clever girl. Welcome back. Welcome back.
Podcast Introduction: Mental Health Month
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Mental Health Month. And this week, she's got... Oh, that was awful.
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She's got... ah My throat's been fucked up from the windows in the... wind She's got a great ass! And you got your head all the way up it! I'm Derek. I'm Whitney. I'm Jack. And this is Bad Movies... Worst People.
Al Pacino Karaoke and Nick Cage Comparisons
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so
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I'd get knocked down, but I get up again. They could never go keep me down. i just All day I've been thinking about Al Pacino, like this character trying to like wind down, and it's like karaoke for whatever reason.
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Is it like when Nick Cage did ah Purple Rain? Did see that video? No. Oh. That's a big thing going around online, Nick Cage doing Purple Rain at karaoke. Recently? Yeah. How is it?
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ah Not good. Okay, but but awesome? Yeah. Like awesome for Full Nick Cage. Oh, wow. Yeah.
Mental Health Month Week Two Discussion
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You can find it on our website. can you? I don't know. and Are you going to put it up there? She was trying to force your hand.
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So she doesn't have to go looking for it. Underestimating how lazy you actually are. oh I know. I live with the man. but This is mental health month and this is our second week.
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We've done this all out of order, so trying remember where we are. Yeah, we're fine. This is my pick. So I figured why not make everybody watch a three hour long crime drama? Just under three hours.
Michael Mann's Influence and Notable Movies
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We're talking about Michael Mann's heat.
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And as followers, listeners might know. um I released a little thing about all Michael Mann's movies because I was really excited about what doing this one. So I watched all of his movies. Give me some, like, besides this, obviously, give me some of his tops that people would know him from because he is name, but he's not a household name. He's not Spielberg. Yeah, like you're talking Talk to me like I'm Whitney.
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um Wait, not like that. All right, I mean...
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Go make me some food, bitch. you can You can sit in my house, but you can't watch my TV. You can fuck my wife. You can lay on my sofa.
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You can look at my Art Deco apartment, but you can't watch my TV set. None of my movies. It's going to be a lot of that all day, by the way. think his most famous one for anybody who just doesn't know anything about directors is probably Last of the Mohicans. Okay.
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Okay. um And ah Collateral, which we recently just watched. And speaking of Collateral, you gentle listeners... Because we're doing this and I like to give stuff away, we'll give away digital codes.
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I don't have a digital code for heat because I've owned this for way too long, but I do have a digital code for collateral. That makes sense. it
Digital Code Giveaway Announcement
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That is parallel. so So if you send us an email, bad movies, worse people at gmail.com or comment on any of our social media posts,
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You'll get entered for that. Do not let the fact that it has Tom Cruise scare you off. It is probably the best movie despite Tom Cruise. Yeah, because I am the world's not biggest Tom Cruise outside of like the Mission Impossible. don't think there's anything you v i like Mission Impossible and I like Top Guns.
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Sure. I like Days of Thunder. But you can like it all you want. It's going to be in theater soon. You want to go? Yep. ah Collateral and this heat are my top two Michael Mann movies. So I have a digital code for that. Send us an email, comment on our social media. You'll get entered in the drawing for that.
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And if you're a patron at patreon.com slash worst people and you comment on the post there, you get two entries. oo Ooh. Anyway. And you guys should enter. Otherwise, it just goes to this guy.
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i mean... I don't want it. Does Jack deserve a digital code? ah when What day of the month does this air? May.
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Hold on. Second week in
Live Show with 'Swigfoot'
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May? May 12th. May 12th. If you're listening to this May 12th, May 18th, Swigfoot, friend of the show friend of the of the podcast, friend is going to playing a show at The Rock.
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We'll be there. You should too. Yeah. We'll take pictures with you. we won't if you don't want us to. I mean, what oh you we'll do what you want. We'll act like you don't know us.
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But i just I just, like I said, I just watched all of his movies. You can go back and listen to me talk about all those and in more depth. But, like, there were only... two that I probably wouldn't watch again one I will give another shot it's Jack's favorite and he hates me for not liking it I don't hate you I was shocked by it I told was last of the
Memories of 'Last of the Mohicans'
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Mohicans by the way and I told Jack I watched it and he immediately just started to being like da da da whatever the fucking score and I was like na na no na na and na na and na na and na na no na na and na na and na no no ah bangers
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i have
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but watched it it's it's from the ninety s yeah Yeah. yeah I'm pretty sure I watched it with my mom. It's also got West Studi in it like this movie does. Oh my God. I hope she's listening right now.
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I made a friend at the bar the other day who legitimately summered in Iowa. And she's like, you will fucking love it. Oh my God. I don't remember her name. I'm so sorry, but she came up to the bar. We started talking podcasts and and then Iowa came up and I was like, yeah, my cohost summers in Iowa.
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And she's like, oh my God, that's great. Right. And I was like, well, I don't know. Like she tells me these weird stories. People always come out missing limbs. She's like, well, if you're not missing a limb, you're not doing it right.
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and like She says she goes like besides the winter. She's like, I just want to live live there forever. So it's the nicest people, the nicest place. I like fucking tipton, especially. I love tipton. love my thing. There's a conspiracy for people from Iowa to try and get us there.
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It's this is a horror movie. It's called come visit Iowa. She said they're the nicest people. So I'm going to assume she was white. She is white. Okay. Slipknot is from Iowa as well. see Nicest people. See how often they try and get out of there. Every tour.
Al Pacino's Acting Style in 'Heat'
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but Yeah, Michael Mann is one of my favorite directors, so that's why we're talking about this. yeah Also, I had a different movie chosen. I thought it was Guillermo del Toro. It was up there, too. I got a lot of favorites. Why can't I fucking talk? I just realize you're fun fun you i just realized that my ah name thing still has the subtitle that says Not a Nazi on it from when we were doing Andor. I like it.
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and don't know if that's going to show in the recording, I'm going to take that off. just anyway Yeah, just to be sure. Just case you guys weren't sure, not a Nazi. It's just YouTube, by the way. It's worth saying. um But yes, I was going to do a different movie, which I won't say here because I'm going to save it for later.
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could probably just be a regular mental health movie now. But I chose this one because of Val Kilmer's passing. And at the time of choosing, um was like, OK, well, I know like his top movies for most people are like Tombstone, Willow, hokin Willow, this Top Gun. And I was like, I want to do Top Gun right now.
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um i Can I say what I wanted to do? And I didn't want to do Tombstone because I hadn't watched it in like 18 or 20 years. And then we watched it a few weeks ago and I was like, I could just done Tombstone. Tombstone is rock and roll. Yeah. And I mean, he's got a great performance in that.
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like Amazing. Can I say what I wanted to do? say so Top secret. Oh yeah, Top Secret's great, but it is just top to bottom, like beginning to end, just slapstick comedy. yeah yeah's it's ah It's like trying to watch trying to do an episode on Hot Shots.
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We are just describing the jokes and maybe inserting Charlie Sheen's cocaine, which he did too. Would you like some? ah Did you know that Val Kilmer's agent tried to talk him out of this? Oh, yeah.
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Because he wasn't going to get the money that he was worth at this time. yeah ah he's This is Val Kilmer. After Top Gun. I think he's about to go make Batman. he was filming Batman Forever while he's doing this. Gotcha.
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So instead of getting paid the proper amount, he just talked ah Michael Mann into putting him pretty big on the poster. Is that why had a black guy? You got punched doing Batman? Yeah. No one's throwing punches in that. I think it's ah supposed to be part of his gambling thing.
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Yeah. He just shows up with bruises and cuts and whatnot. But yeah, exactly. they He just big cut the
Pacino and De Niro's Screen Time in 'Heat'
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deal. Yeah. Put me big on the poster. And there he is right between right right betwixt Al Pacino and Robert De Niro. and Almost like they're fighting for him.
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This is the very first time they were on the same screen at the same time. Not first movie. That was actually a big marketing thing for this movie, too. yeah They talked about that a lot. It was unbelievable. Yeah. But you have these fucking powerhouses.
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Sure, they're in Godfather 2 together, but they don't share a scene. They together. No, because they're in different times. Yeah. De Niro is playing a younger Marlon Brando. Correct. yeah so And a lot of that takes place, not a lot. In Italy. Starts in Italy. Yeah. And then New York in a different time. So they might have been on set together, but they were not in a scene together. And man...
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what a scene they get i mean it's just them having fucking coffee but it's just like like we talk about on our other podcast han took shots first
The Iconic Coffee Shop Scene
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we're doing and or right now this is talky talk so i can sit there and just be he woke up for you nice i started running off in the middle there i only had five hours of sleep i had to stay up till six in the morning editing and or I hope you guys appreciate his work. After that scene ended, i was just like, I know it's just two guys talking over coffee, but how fucking intense was that? Well, that's two powerhouses. Amazing. And just staring at each other at the end. They didn't hang out on set or anything before that, and they didn't rehearse the scene.
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At all. They didn't do blocking. They didn't do anything. They just walked in. They knew their lines. They walked in and they had the thing. So it would be and the first two times of yeah characters meeting. That's and probably a little bit of animosity on purpose. Yeah, because Val Kilmer did that, by the way, on Top Gun.
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him and the other guys like Wolfman and whatnot did not hang out with Tom Cruise or Anthony Edwards or yeah or ah Goose because they just they wanted it to be that thing of like we're not friends with you yeah you know I didn't maybe it's not the right kind of acting but it worked out mean yeah also just an excuse not to hang out with Tom Cruise yeah he's like no I'm being a method actor I'm not I really hate that guy we would come over but I want this next scene to pop Fuck Scientology. In 1986, I think tom Tom Green, Tom Cruise was still a decent dude, maybe.
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Maybe. Maybe not. I don't know. I mean, I could see, like, if it was before those parts. I think that was like his biggest, that was like his star maker, right? mean he had done Legend and he'd done Cocktail and Risky risky Business. but Cocktail Risky Business, I think, was where people really were, like that' that's his heartthrob.
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Then this that moved him on past that. that's what i think That's what I mean. like That's like his movie star movie. Yes. Yes. That's his movie star. At least to me. like i don't know. Yeah. But we'll do the game. saw Days of Thunder in Iowa. Yeah.
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to iowa We'll do the game, guys. all right who's Insert the music here. Cha-ching. Bing, bing, bing, bing, bing. Box office. Can we get a budget, please? Yes. $60 million, 1995. Can you use it in a sentence?
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$187 million. And what is the ah root origin? ah sixty million one dollars bill six billion pennies ah You want to go first? I said 187. 187. You're 145,000.
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I was this close to just saying, like, we'll just call this blackjack because it was 187. Was Yeah. Damn. And is that worldwide? I believe that was worldwide. only have the one number written down usually when I do that. I mean, 95, we've talked before, it's not a big Chinese market yet. Did I get a purple star?
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You get the purple star? I mean, that's tripling your budget, which I mean, not a big surprise. al Pacino, Robert De Niro, Val Kilmer. Tom Sizemore Danny Trejo I don't know if Danny Trejo was What's his name? Bubba Gump McKelty Williamson kellyley Nice yeah Yeah Buffalo Bill You got the Allstate man mean You got Dennis Haysburg Charlize Theron Not Charlize Theron Ashley Judd Ashley Judd looking like Charlize Theron Natalie Portman yeahie port Yeah Natalie Portman This is probably her first How are we going to forget about the restaurant owner Bud Court
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Blink, blink. You don't know Bud Court? No. Harold and Maude? Oh, you would know him as the lawyer in Life Aquatic. Oh, okay. That's Bud Court. Okay. um This might have been... This was either Natalie Portman's first or second movie. I'm not sure if this or the professional. I feel like the professional's the first. Yeah. I've always thought that Leon was the first one. It's around the same time. I just don't know the date on it. Maybe...
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Leon is her first like act. She's a star. This she's a small bit. Yeah. I still think it's first. See her in. We were just watching something. Oh, Mars. its Star Wars. or ah yeah i say We did just see her in episode three. Her and I just watched her like in it younger in something. It was Mars. Yeah. Jack Nicholson. President Jack Nicholson's daughter, not cowboy Jack Nicholson.
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If you could watch it. But so and Jack for president, we're talking and a lot about Al Pacino. We're already doing Al Pacino screaming, right? Oh, this is this is in his scream era.
00:14:12
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um But there's a apparently according to him, there's a or was an earlier draft of the script where his character Vincent Hanna had a cocaine problem. It shows his like manic episodes. What is exactly? he say His bombastic outbursts. Well, because later in the movie at one point, like he he goes, he comes He's like, Freddy. Hey, Freddy, what you doing for me? Why are you telling me all these lies? Give me what you got. Give me all you got. Give me. Freddy. like Excuse me. That was out of nowhere. Like if he's just yelling, that's one thing. But he's like.
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Docile and spike in the mic and then back down. And I think they took it out probably just he's to make him a clean cut cop. He already has enough problems. You don't need be a drug addiction. His problem is, he even says, he's like, I am i am whatever chasing. I live with dead. I am whoever I'm, that's all I am.
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So. I do see her, but just a little bit of her part. I've always been, along with my husband, on the, you married a cop, you know what you got into. You can't give him shit for being married to the job. Right, but it's about how he comes home, in my opinion. Exactly, and there's nothing wrong with being like, yo, it was a double homicide.
00:15:18
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You don't want to know the details. Mm-hmm. Just not and i do nothing. I do appreciate the scene when she's getting on his case. and She's like, you just never tell me anything we're supposed to share. Like you said, we're I share you with the job. And he's like, you want me to tell you about how a crackhead put his kid in a microwave? Oh, my God. And I was like, whoo.
00:15:36
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No, please. ah Can we go back to her earlier when I didn't ask you about that at all? But no, I mean, Whitney, you you're in a relationship from what I hear. yeah And you want to help with your partner's pain.
00:15:47
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Exactly. So it's not I don't need to hear about the crackhead in the microwave. But, you know, let's let's do this because all it is right now is we fuck. You lose the ability to speak and you go to bed you're not there when I wake up. His fucking comeback was, I need my angst.
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I need to be on the ball. I need. And I'm just like, I see both fucking parts. And I'm just like, the thing I'm not married to a cap. Yeah, he needs to be single. This man vents to me every night. I know everything that happens.
00:16:12
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mean, this is his third wife. Yeah. There's like a point they make later. ah John Voight makes that. He's like, well, he's on his third wife. So, you know, he doesn't stay home at night. Right. So he's going to be on your ass. can see Derek venting to you all fucking day with these people's kids.
00:16:26
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And they won't put them in a microwave to shut them up. They run around my bar crying. Just letting the dogs bark. Letting the fucking dogs bark. I told you guys about it, but i don't think i mentioned it on the podcast. The other day, I accidentally Al Pacino'd my stepdaughter's dog. Yeah. He was in the bedroom crying like he does when she leaves, but it turned to howling for minutes on end.
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So I walked down the hallway. And woke him up, by the way. Woke him up. Yeah, woke me up in my room. So I walked down and I was like, shut up. And he just kept howling. and Shut the fuck up. And then I laughed because I heard myself do Al Pacino not on purpose. The dog was scared until you laughed. And he's like, oh, he's just Pacino-ing. That dog did not...
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Bark or howl until my stepdaughter got home. We've said her name. Until Zoe got home. But this movie. And also she's your daughter. You don't have to say stuff. no this movie and michael malum stepda step that a This movie and Michael Mann are both big inspirations for a lot of people. You can find it all the time.
Christopher Nolan's Inspiration from 'Heat'
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I told you guys right before we started recording, but this is apparently one of Christopher Nolan's favorite movies, which if you've seen a Christopher Nolan movie, it makes sense. Yeah. um Direct.
00:17:39
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He took direct inspiration for the Dark Knight robbery, bank robbery. Also say got a similar actor in it. if you watch If you've seen Tenet or Inception or any of that stuff, like it's it's very much the heat kind of mold. Yeah, um absolutely. Especially Inception.
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I thought of that when you said it's his favorite movie because there's that part where everybody's in suits, but they all have automatic weapons. Yeah. like I see where you get that. Yeah. And I like it I don't think you're ripping it off. Yeah.
00:18:08
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No, it's like he's like, this inspired me, so I'm going to do it. yeah And I don't care if you like Michael Mann or not. Listen to this movie loud. Yes. Loud. I'm surprised I didn't have the cops called on me. because Especially after an hour, about an hour and a half.
00:18:22
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It's. I mean, it's everything. Yes, there that is the crescendo. That is the grand finale. But it's like even just the scene where there's minimal gunfire at the drive-in movie theater.
00:18:34
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Sounds fucking amazing. And we'll get to why. And that is one ah Michael Mann's specialties is realism. ah making things sound and look absolutely real. Right.
00:18:44
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Yeah. He's he does his best with making things as real as possible. And he is famously hard of hearing. but So everything he made is loud as fuck. He is now after fucking recording this movie. Everything is super realistic that he makes. He did make this movie to keep, which I talk about in my video. I'll just to that right there. Don't. Am I right?
00:19:03
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Yeah. Look at that. That's where I keep it. That's where I keep it. ah And this is the only like fantasy science fiction kind of thing he's done. How do you like it? I like it a lot. it's his um It's kind of his black sheep of movies. It was his sophomore effort, and it didn't do well, but the studio cut it to pieces. isn't Even with the studio cuts, I still think it's cool.
00:19:25
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Plus, it's got an ancient... ancient mythical creature killing Nazis. Ancient mythical creature, huh? Killing Nazis. Love it. Love it. so When we get to the part, remind me, i have questions about the guns after the heist. I don't have all the answers because these are, there's a lot of guns. Like I wouldn't, I wouldn't even be done watching.
00:19:43
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It's, no, I think you'll know the question I'm going to, or answer the question. Because I would just have this thing paused for fucking 10 minutes at a time. Like, it looks like an M16 variant. don't know. It's an A1. Before we jump into the movie, there's one more thing you teased me with.
Danny Trejo's Role in 'Heat'
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Ooh.
00:20:02
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Danny Trejo is not supposed to be in this movie. Oh, yeah, which is why the character's name is Trejo. Yeah. Yeah, it was a different name. Um... So before he was hired to play Trejo, him and Edward Bunker, who's a writer, were ah hired to be the armed robbery consultants, basically.
00:20:22
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um He was hired because he had done time in prison for armed robbery. Well, I figured if that's why you're consulting. Well, and also Michael Mann, he's done this a lot. it ah His first movie Thief, he literally worked with thieves like real vault like ah safe crackers. Yeah. The props they're using in that movie are real safe cracking tools.
00:20:45
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And the lieutenant who's hassling James Conn throughout the movie is played by his advisor on that who was a real safe to think of myself as a safe cracker. Like I'm not an i'm not an unsafe cracker.
00:20:59
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but he he So he hangs out with criminals. call you more of a safe gender snap. Thanks. I think if I had read that it was this movie where ah De Niro, Val Kilmer, the criminal guys like basically hung out, had lunches and stuff, hung out with these criminals to get like the way they talk and the way they do whatever.
00:21:16
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And then Pacino and McKelty-Williamson and Ted Levine, those guys hung out with... Cops. That makes sense. Robbery cops. like I mean, Levine shouldn't have to. He's been a cop in everything that wasn't him being Buffalo Bill.
00:21:28
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I know. Or Flubber. Or Flubber. Ex-cop. He got bought off by that guy. Buffalo Bill is still the one that stands out the most to me because I was like, it's still weird for me to see him as a cop. He's like, it shouldn't be.
00:21:41
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was like, it is. If nothing else, Fast and Furious. Yeah, if nothing else, Fast and Furious. Right, right. Who wants a coffee order? Let's get a couple of decaf fraps iced out of foam, foam, foam, four foam.
00:21:56
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That's similar to the order. It's the most ridiculous thing that this LA cop or wherever they are in that. He's like, coffee order, and just proceeds to decaf iced fraps mocha foam thing.
00:22:07
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Yeah. I can't abide that. If you're having coffee, well have why Why have coffee if you can't have coffee? I can't abide by that. Especially if it's a frap. Can we get like four Frosties? Sounds like mine, that great big fat frosty.
00:22:22
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So we've got some alternate actors. Ooh, I've got pair of Schwarzenegger. And I can't remember. I wrote down the names and I did this research a couple weeks ago when we were going to record. So I don't remember which one was who, but I have the pairings of two different sets of actors that could have played our two leads. So instead of De Niro and Pacino, and then I have three people who might have played Val Kilmer. Gene Wilder and Richard Pryor. 95. Very different movie. John Lovitz and David Spade. Was it Richard Pryor the one?
00:22:53
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She's got a great ass. She's got great ass. You got your head all the way up it. Is Kurt Douglas one of them? No. Kurt Douglas was too old at this point. He could have played John Voight maybe.
00:23:05
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the fuck's Kurt Douglas? Who am I thinking? Kurt Russell. Kurt Russell. That's what was thinking of. I don't know who you're thinking of. no. So we have one is Mel Gibson and Harrison Ford.
00:23:19
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ah ah Mel's got to be the bad guy. Yeah, Mel's the bad guy. I would think so. i mean, at this point in time, I don't Harrison Ford Maybe not, because we are talking about a calm, collected Bobby De Niro versus a very animated and manic Al Pacino. Oh. That being said, I think you would rather. And Gibson had already done Lethal Weapon.
00:23:38
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Sure, absolutely. But you buy Harrison Ford as being cold and calculated more than you do Mel Gibson. Yeah. Like, you look Mel Gibson, you're like, he's just waiting to scream something anti-Semitic. Yep. Man, he lives in a trailer on the beach?
00:23:52
Speaker
Dope. That's crazy. I like how they always made that scene. Like, oh, look at him. He's just a bum with ah a beachside trailer. He's doing all right. i have a i a little of literally of on the beach, but it's in a trailer. boom Yeah.
00:24:04
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how Love that life. Has he ever been bad guy? Oh, yeah. Mel Gibson? Yeah. No, not Mel Gibson. In real life. I was like, yeah, all the Anytime he opens his fucking mouth. No, Han Solo.
00:24:18
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Harrison Ford. Harrison Ford has... i mean, kind He's kind of the bad guy in Cowboys and Aliens. He's also kind of the bad guy in Captain America, Brave New World. Oh, you're right.
00:24:30
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I mean, depending on what country you're from, he's the bad guy in Air Force One. Yeah. He kicked that dude out of the plane. From a certain point of view, he's a terrorist in all those Star Wars movies.
00:24:41
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Yes, you're right. technically I mean, are you terrorist or a rebel? You're terrorist is my rebel. You're a terrorist, my rebel. One more pairing, and I think I know where both these people fall. So one of them, I'll give you one of them. And I just want you to see, it's out of left field, the other one.
00:24:54
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Jeff Bridges for one of these people. Okay. I want him as the cop. I want him as the bad guy. I need to hear the bad guy. Because I like Bridges as the bad guy. Nick is part of the name, but it's not Cage.
00:25:07
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Nolte. Yes. Oh! Oh! Nolte's the cop. If we're keeping the same character traits, so Nick Nolte is Pacino. Because she's got a great ass and you got your head all the way up it.
00:25:23
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you can You can fuck my wife in my house, but you can't watch my fucking TV! Give me all you got! Give me all you got! yeah See, like, Jeff Bridges. Did you ever see Pelican Brief? At this point in time makes perfect sense.
00:25:37
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Yeah. See what? Pelican Brief, Nick Nolte, and Julia Roberts. He gets a little crazy in that. Nick Nolte's always crazy. Do you know who we need?
00:25:49
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Who would have been great? Who's that? um Gary Busey? Yep. She was showing her teeth. It went...
00:26:00
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She's got a great ass and you're to build a canoe in it and sail it down the Mississippi.
00:26:07
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Busey and Cage. Cage being cool, calm, collected. Not going to believe it. Ooh, younger Cage, 95 Cage? Busey could be the cop. i mean we we' We'll be talking about it in a few months, but point break.
00:26:18
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yeah Yeah, that's what made me think of it. He's pretty calm. I mean, he's he's a little pissed off, but he's pretty calm. ha i Yeah. Okay, then reverse. Cage is the cop and Bucy is the thief.
00:26:32
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She's got a great ass! Yeah, it it already works. Speaking of that voice, because it's the same voice I do for this guy, Keanu Reeves, one of the people who was in line or considered for Val Kilmer's role,
00:26:45
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Okay. That makes sense. Just because he's quiet and stoic anyway. But I think this is right after or maybe while they were doing Speed. Because what's Speed? 95 96? I think it's 96. Probably 94. Twister was 96, right? Yeah. but no cause probably ninety four twister was ninety six right as Yon de Bont, same director as Speed. God, okay.
00:27:04
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Anyway. like Why i bring out Twister? Because it's the same director as Speed and Keanu Reeves. and likes It's all connected. Right. Keanu, look, here's my board. Give me some more yarn. Pepe Silva.
00:27:15
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why do you have silver around your mouth? Are you huffing silver paint again? Yeah, you call me one of the... What the fuck did they call themselves? Witness me! Yeah, but can't remember what they called themselves. Valkyrie Boys or some shit. I don't remember. What? Mad Max Fury Road. Oh, no, I was... Valhalla Boys. I was doing Charlie Day from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. but I yeah. He went Nicholas Holt. Like ah Nicholas Holt, yeah.
00:27:39
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So, the other two, and then we'll get to the movie, Brad Pitt and Johnny Depp. Ooh, yeah. you i don't I just don't want to see that movie. Okay, no, they're playing Val Kilmer's part. Val Kilmer, yeah. This is before Johnny Depp's doing this anyway, so. Yeah, I mean, it's before Pirates. He was.
00:27:58
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Johnny Depp in who? Ed Wood was around here. But he hasn't he done Fear and Loathing. No. Fear and Loathing was the beginning of his end for me. I love Fear and Loathing.
00:28:09
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He's in a Michael Mann movie, Public Enemies. Oh, yeah. That's really good. mean, you think the guns sound good in this? Watch that. Yeah, I have seen it. John Dillinger. Yeah. I mean, i wouldn't it wouldn't change my view on the movie, but I think Brad Pitt could have been okay. I'm thinking 95, Legends of the Fall.
00:28:25
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I think early Brad Pitt and all I can think of is Thelma and Louise and Cool World. And then all of a sudden it's Ocean's Eleven. Which is a good movie. there's but i mean there's <unk>s there's There's a bunch of movies in between. there's some Oh, Fight Club.
00:28:40
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Legend of the Falls you mentioned. I've never seen it. Yes, I made you watch it. You sure didn't. I will. You've talked about making me watch it. love that movie. I'll make you watch it. I also saw that in theaters in Iowa.
00:28:53
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But you cried your fucking Iowan ass off. Fuck, I did. Yes. your i You cried out your Iowas. and If anybody's interested, this is technically a remake. OK, I call man's own movie that he did for TV in 1987, I believe. Was Robert Redford in 1989 called ah L.A. Takedown.
00:29:11
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And you can find clips online. i might try to share some sharing other people's reels and stuff is weird with the social media, the business, whatever. But people have stuff out there of comparing them scene for scene. Like a lot of the dialogue is exactly the same.
00:29:26
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But you have dead eyed TV actors and one and then you have Pacino De Niro. Pacino De Niro and the other can't even compare. It's not apples and oranges. It's apples versus something that doesn't grow on this planet.
00:29:38
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And ah Amy Brenneman's character, Edie, the one that Robert de Niro is dating. That's the one who the we talk about her this month on Cop Rock. The Cindy Margolis or whatever her name was, the assistant to the lawyer that was buying all the drugs. Yeah. She plays Edie in the TV version. Oh, nice. that's how you have making a fucking connection. nice It's all a theme this month.
00:30:01
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00:31:07
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I was also speaking of TV. Michael Mann disowned the shit on the NBC cut because they he told them a bunch of stuff not to change and they changed it anyway.
Michael Mann's Disapproval of NBC's 'Heat' Cut
00:31:16
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17 minutes they cut out, but um Basically, he's like, you can call it a Michael Smithy movie or an Alan Mann movie. Alan Smithy is the non-deplume. Yes, of actors who want to disown their shit. Yeah.
00:31:30
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So we've got Vincent Hanna, played by Al Pacino, Neil McCauley, played by Robert de Niro, and Chris Scheherlis, played by Val Kilmer, right at the beginning of the movie. Wish he was Chris Shirtless.
00:31:43
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He wasn't, was he? No. was thinking, I was like, is he shirtless? A little bit when Jeremy Piven's hooking him up with bandages. Jeremy Piven shows up for one second as Dr. Bob. I forget. Every time I watch this fucking movie, I'm like, yeah, there's Jeremy Piven.
00:31:57
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Oh, there i goes. You know what? That scene still made me laugh, even though he's in there one second. can be funny sometimes. He used to be. When he's not trying to be. My daughter gave me that shirt for father's. Who fucking cares about your daughter? Yeah, I don't give a fuck who gave you that shirt.
00:32:12
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You just got two stacks of cash for that shirt. Buy a new daughter. It starts with them setting up this ah armored truck heist. And it's just, I just love it. It starts out as just Robert De Niro walking into a hospital and stealing an ambulance. And you're like, all right, well, that's the movie I'm watching. Uh-huh.
00:32:26
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If you put on the jacket and have a clipboard, no one no one will ask questions. Yeah, Tom Sizemore setting up the truck, picking up Wayne Grow, and he's just like, dude, do me favor, shut the fuck up. You've been talking since you sat down.
00:32:37
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Oh, God, and Wayne Grow. What are we doing? When are we hitting this? Does this guy work a lot? Because, I mean, I'd like to do this again if it works out well. You just talked yourself right out of this crew, pal. Yep. When Wayne Grow played by Kevin Gage, who was in, ah so we'll see him again. He was in Con Air.
00:32:53
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He's in the burbs and blow. ah He was also in prison. Who's in the burbs? That's what I was wondering. I can't remember. I just wrote it down. I do remember from Con Air. Yeah. But he was also in prison in real life um for ah an illegal grow up.
00:33:08
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It was the late 90s. So it was just weed. Yeah. But apparently while he was in prison, all the other prisoners just called him Wayne Grow. but Fair enough. It's not surprisingly people in prison like this movie.
00:33:19
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Yeah, it's probably one of the more authentic, highest ones. Probably some of the people that consulted on the film. Dude, I was in this movie. That's me back there. Yeah, I got shot.
00:33:31
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um I got work release for that. ah Val Kilmer buying explosives pretending he's from Tucson. yeah so Shout out to Tucson. Arizona rules. Al Pacino fucks Diane Venora, who's playing Justine.
00:33:45
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ah She was in The Jackal, which you guys said was awesome. I've never seen it The first time I watched it. and She's also in Romeo plus Juliet somewhere. There's a lot of people in that shit. She's probably Capulet.
00:33:56
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Yeah. Yeah. She's yeah she's one of- Are you sure she's not a month ago? Because isn't- What side was Johnny Legs on? Which side is monty Romeo's side? Montague. Isn't it Juliet Montague?
00:34:08
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don't And Romeo Capulet? only know Juliet Lewis. You know what? Juliet Capulet would be stupid. Juliet Capulet is stupid. Juliet Montague or whatever. All right. Yeah. yeah, she's in there somewhere.
00:34:19
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um And then her daughter... Played by Natalie Portman, who you may have heard of. you You won't. This is no main actress. I hear she dated Moby for a while.
00:34:33
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know if you guys heard about it. I did not.
Moby and Natalie Portman: A Humorous Anecdote
00:34:36
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Apparently, Moby claims that he dated Natalie Portman. Was she of age? Yeah. yeah And Natalie Portman is like, I do not know him. Wow. Wow.
00:34:46
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Like we met at a party or something like that, but he says they dated. There goes my girlfriend. She doesn't know it yet. hey Hi, honey.
00:34:54
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Damn. was trying to think of a Moby song to insert a lyric there, and all I could think was smack my bitch up, but that's not him. That's also inappropriate. Oh, Lordy, we traveled so far. Natalie Portman's so hot. Bring Natalie up. but Bring Natalie down.
00:35:10
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Oh, is that Moby? Yeah, doing flowers. Oh, I love that. I i love that song strictly for Gone in 60 Seconds. I figured so. That's where I knew it from. I was like, he's singing it and I know it.
00:35:23
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Just watched Gone in 60 Seconds the other day. ah I'll watch it again. um So, yeah, Tom Sizemore playing Michael Chirito. Tom Sizemore, Welcome Back, twice. So this is his third time.
00:35:36
Speaker
And this time he's actually acting. Yes, he is. And he's not over He's not doing like, Super Tom Sizemore just kicking shit. He is... But he's putting a lot of energy in. He's putting so much effort into it. and I think I figured it out while watching this.
00:35:50
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He's not in charge. I don't buy him as a slick business suit wearing boss man. I do buy him as a an operator in a crew. He's a heavy. Yeah, he's a heavy. Exactly. I buy him as a heavy.
00:36:03
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I could see him Gandolfini's character and Perdita Durango. Check that episode out. I could see him doing that character. I think it's because he of him in... Is he in Natural Born Killers?
00:36:21
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No. He's not the cop in Natural Born Killers? don't think so. But we've seen all basically all the forms of Tom Sizemore now. no Yes. Because we had a Sleepy Tom Sizemore in Harley Davidson, the Marlboro Man.
00:36:34
Speaker
Snoozefest. Previous Patreon episode. Not that movie, him. Yeah. And we had... Energetic but good guy, Tom Sizemore in Passenger 57. Yeah. Sly Delvecchio. Delvecchio. Yes, Delvecchio. Delvecchio. Because it sounds like such a, like, look at this Sly Delvecchio.
00:36:53
Speaker
And then, of course, Danny Trejo, who everybody knows from everything. I think Danny Trejo's been in 600 movies. 449. I looked it up the other day. Okay. Or like 474. 700 and something credits. 400 acting credits where his name is actually credited.
00:37:13
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So every movie since 1985. When he got out of prison. ah it Precisely. um Yeah, they do this armored armored truck robbery, which is pretty fucking cool. I was going to make a joke like, I remember him in Star Wars.
00:37:27
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He was in the fucking Boba Fett series he's says Star Wars. Damn it. Got Trejo'd. Yeah, he did. Did Classy tell his story about meeting Danny Trejo on the podcast?
00:37:40
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I don't know if he's been on the podcast a few times. He's got a wonderful story. Yeah, it sounds familiar. Yeah, he gave him a ride. yeah could you imagine log ben Could you imagine being in the same car as Little Short Danny Trejo? But how much he will fill that car. You know what's crazy though? Seeing Trejo in this, he's so skinny though. He's so small.
00:38:05
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I mean, it's his face looks almost exactly the same. Yeah, but his hair is shorter and his body is smaller. He's not Hollywood yet. he He's not like getting groceries on the regs. Yeah. He's a struggling person in L.A. Yeah. Once you make it, that's why I'm so big. We made it.
00:38:22
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Thank you, patrons. Thank you, patrons. You notice how I got fatter since this started. This episode. ah But they robbed this armored truck.
00:38:33
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Wayne Grove, right out of the gate. You already knew he was going to be trouble because he's fucking crazy. Yeah. You could see it in eyes. could see in his eyes. knew he was crazy because he walked up. He's like, give me another refill. And then just left his cup like a madman.
00:38:45
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Someone's over here finishing my sandwiches. Don't finish the sandwiches. Yeah. But he's eyeballing this fucking security guy, whatever they are, rent a cop.
00:38:56
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And like the guy's bleeding out of his ears and he keeps yelling stuff at him. And this Tom Sizemore is slick, who which fucks up the whole thing in the long run. Right. Like, hey, slick. You see that shit coming out of his ears? He can't fucking hear you.
00:39:07
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So Wayne Grove just fucking shoots him. Like this guy is clearly shell shocked. He's staring at Wayne grow. And then another welcome back. Uh, one of the, the, the Mexican security guard goes for his little fucking ankle holster gets blasted. I'm like, well, I guess we're getting all three. He was a minor nothing character in universal soldier.
00:39:26
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Oh, okay. He's the at the very end of the hallway where the big fucking dude like pretends to be dead and then gets up and shoots him. Oh, okay. like If you're being held at gunpoint, wouldn't you just go down, whether you can hear what they're saying or not? I think, like I was saying, i was saying he's shell-shocked.
00:39:40
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Oh, yeah. Oh, they're definitely concussed. That fucking shit went But he's standing there staring at Wayne Grow wide-eyed. And Wayne Grow's like, quit fucking looking at me. But this guy, it's not just like staring. It's just like... Yeah, I don't think he's trying to have like a hero moment. He's just like, I can't hear. i don't know what to do. I can't believe it's happening. Yeah. Maybe he's also fucking blinded right now. Also, I mean, was he the one driving? No, the Mexican dude was driving. Was he? Okay. the way this truck got fucking Was he one of the ones in the back that got flipped? Exactly. yeah i don't think I think you'd rather be driving.
00:40:08
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At least you have a seatbelt. Because they smashed into it with this big semi, right? Yeah. so Got one like 60. He was in fifth gear. But fa fucking Wayne Grove kills that dude, so then they have to kill the rest of them.
00:40:19
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Yep. And why? Well, because when ah Vincent shows up here, Al Pacino, he's like, these guys are good. Like once it's escalated to murder one. Oh, why leave a witness? There's no difference in killing two bodies and three bodies in the court of law. So it's like, we're just going to do it.
00:40:35
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And now the one guy gets killed. The other guy tries to have a hero moment. And then the third guy just gets shot because. And you can see him operating because i think it's Val's the one that does the execution like looks back and De Niro's like, yep, do it.
00:40:49
Speaker
Like they're just everybody besides Wayne grow is just like dialed in and perfect. yeah Fuck Wayne Grove. Makes you wonder why they didn't try and get a permanent member. Like, why'd they go on the Craigslist of of burglars?
00:41:01
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um I mean, it seems like they've got a rotating spot or maybe it's just maybe somebody. Maybe we missed a line about somebody else being out or somebody got busted. Or just a cut scene to make sure it's under three hours. I don't need it.
00:41:12
Speaker
I don't need it. But it is kind of a crux of the movie. This guy. Yeah, but they they they get away. They put down the spike strip, which is a good move. Stop the cops, switch cars, blow that one up and we're out. So the movie starts with a pretty fucking intense heist. Oh, yeah. Basically, there's nothing that you can pull from this. They burnt all their DNA.
00:41:31
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The um ah explosives you can get from it from three states with a driver's license. So it's not unique enough to track down like everything was done real well. And we got John Voight playing Nate, who's kind of their I guess their fence slash broker. Yeah. He's there. sets all their shit. Yeah. Handler. He owns some of their fake. I think he owns the bar.
00:41:53
Speaker
Because at the very end, ah when ah he and De Niro are leaving, it's it's he's like, all right, I brought him to my place, you know yada, yada. They're right in front of a bar. ah so And this one of the bartenders here is the one who's like, hey, call this guy.
00:42:05
Speaker
you know If you use the right code words and I actually think you were in prison, I can get you work. Okay. yeah So there's a whole John Wick-style universe here that they didn't explore. okay Okay. Let's get an FX spinoff.
00:42:17
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Of heat. It's just Jon Voight's place. oh It's called warming up. Oh, I like that. Sparks. Sparks. Supposedly, there's going to be a heat, too. I wondered about that for one reason alone.
00:42:30
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Robert De Niro has a brother out there somewhere. Yeah, I don't know. say he wasn't a twin. was Yeah, because Robert De Niro is dead, but Al Pacino's not. Val Kilmer, well, he's dead in real life. Yeah, Val Kilmer's character is the only one that really made that. I was like, Robert De Niro's not dead.
00:42:48
Speaker
In the movie. Neil Macaulay is dead. I'm sorry. But he could have a twin. Yeah. yeah i don't Like that movie where he's playing two people. Yeah. Knights of something.
00:42:59
Speaker
Looks terrible. is it Oh, that's right. It's new one. I was like, what are you talking about? New movie. Yeah. yeah But yeah, Jon Voight, most famously from Anaconda. um He made Angelina Jolie. He's in Mission Impossible and those National Treasure movies. Yeah.
00:43:15
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It could have absolutely nothing to do with anybody from here. Maybe Dominic, the the little kid goes on a fucking heist just like daddy did. I mean, i we're talking about it, but I don't want to see it.
00:43:26
Speaker
Yeah. I don't know. Michael Mann has talked about it and it's on his like IMDb as like in production, but nothing is happening with it yet. So if if Michael Mann makes it, I will see it in theaters. Yeah.
00:43:39
Speaker
Yeah. definitely a theater. And Nate, John Voight's character is actually based on that guy, Edward Bunker, who was the writer. or one of the like He helped write this and he was also one of the advisors I told you about Danny Trejo. Yeah. And nate's John Voight's character is based on him.
00:43:55
Speaker
And that same... no, the guy, Bunker... who it's based on, was the guy who played Mr. Blue in Reservoir Dogs as well. Oh, fuck yeah. One of the guys who's in the heist the beginning but disappears. He dies during the actual thing. Yeah.
00:44:11
Speaker
But yeah, i think that's what I think that might have been the guy when we watched it. It was probably a year ago we were watching it, but like I was like, this guy's got to be someone. Why did he get put in here? And I looked him up and he had like no acting credits and I was like, huh, weird.
00:44:23
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Probably him. That's why. Yeah. You know who could have put Sizemore's part? Fucking dude from... movie you just said usual not usual suspects reservoir dogs Tim Roth no uh yeah yeah yeah he's he's that's his thing that's his meal house I mean Tom Sizemore has often been called the poor man's Michael Madsen really wouldn't it be the other way around no because Michael Madsen never did the drugs are you sure nope have you seen that guy's face Tom Sizemore did a lot more drugs yeah he did
00:45:00
Speaker
all right, that's it. We're going to to go back in time and have a drug off. Was Michael Madsen ever in a movie with Nick Cage? Tom Sizemore was. That's our bar? ah Bringing out the dead. But I'm saying that's our bar. Oh, I love that movie. The ambulance drivers? Yeah.
00:45:15
Speaker
Michael Madsen's great in that. Tom Sizemore's great in that, too. Yeah. He like looks at ambulance like, you see that? I've tried to kill it many times, and it won't fucking die. I respect it. It's a warrior. Oh, oh I did. I saw that with you. Scorsese? Yeah. Scorsese? Yeah. um So we've got ah Vincent, who is Al Pacino, and then his his band of merry men here. Wes Studi playing Castles, ah t t Ted Levine, and both of those are welcome backs. That's one that's why I wanted to mention it. Wes Studi has been on here now.
00:45:43
Speaker
This is his third time as well. Ooh, alumni. And Levine's second, right? Deep Rising and Street Fighter, and then Ted Levine, yeah, was only in Flubber. So these guys are all back. Surprising because we do a lot of Ted Levine voice.
00:45:58
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yeah Maybe because I think we see a lot of Wish.com. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. we do yeah And Ted Levine is one of the only OK parts of that Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom. Couldn't tell you.
00:46:09
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I didn't say it out loud because I didn't want husband to laugh at me. But when Ted Levine's character first came on, i was just like in my head, I was like, huh, he kind of looks like ah Buffalo Bill.
00:46:21
Speaker
Because isn't that what I did in Flebur? Yes. And there was something else recently. Like, it looks just like that guy. Like, it is that guy. Whoa. It was something we recorded like a week or two ago. Yeah, don't remember we were watching. It was great. um But basically, you know, they're not happy with Wayne Grove.
00:46:40
Speaker
Neil's like, hey, we're going to pay this guy off and get out of here. um But instead, they try to murder him, get distracted by the cops, and he disappears. There's no way that's going to come back. I think it was The Rock. I think she said that should have been Michael Biehn.
00:46:53
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That is Michael Biehn. Oh, shit. think you're right. We meet Charlene, who's played by Ashley Judd, who is way Val Kilmer. I thought you were saying like Charlize Theron, like we meet Charlene, like making a joke.
00:47:05
Speaker
She's Charlene. Yeah. Yeah. Whoa. Charlene is playing Ashley Judd, who's playing. I mean, Ashley Blood. She's actually Judd is playing Charlene. Finish each other's punchline. Who is trying to be Charlize Theron. Yeah. Yeah.
00:47:23
Speaker
I think when I saw this movie before, it's been i mean, it's been like three or four years. i knew it was actually Judd then. But the first time I saw it, probably I was like three or four, three or four years ago. I hadn't seen in a while and you probably could have convinced me it was Charlie's Throne. Yeah. think the first time I saw it, I thought it was Charlie's. Yeah. cause The first time I saw it was post like the Italian job and monster. did This. Oh.
00:47:44
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Like think it was right. I'd seen it right after stuff like the Italian job and monster. what devils that's like When Charlize Theron was all over the place, though. Devil's Advocate. yeah But I'm talking about in that 2000s era after Italian job where she was in everything. Reindeer games. ah The Chanel No. 9 commercials.
00:48:02
Speaker
No, G-Adore. Yeah, because we watched those. i You tell me any perfume brand you want. She's in Vidal Sassoon. She's Val Kilmer's wife. It's a great shampoo. And ah basically she's like telling him to get out of doing this shit because he brings home like $8,000. Out of this whatever this huge thing was.
00:48:21
Speaker
But he also had to pay off his bookie. Well, yeah, he's got gambling problems. Vegas and the Super Bowl cleaned me out, brother. And then Edie, who's played by Amy Brenneman, who we mentioned, she's the star of Judging Amy. She is the Amy of Judging Amy, where she also plays Amy. She's in four episodes of Frasier, my friend. You know what? Count them.
00:48:40
Speaker
Four. Well, she's in Daylight. With Sylvester Stallone. Oh, the tunnel one. Yeah. That's the last time you watched that. Rambo 5? A long time ago. No, not Rambo 5. He's actually trying to save people from a tunnel.
00:48:53
Speaker
ah Not kill them in a tunnel. Not funnel them into a tunnel. Not the funnel tunnel of murder. And it's funny because Amy Brenneman actually, she read the script. She didn't like it. She didn't want to be in the movie. Right. She told Michael Mann, like, it's too violent. It's too bloody. it's There's no morality because these characters don't have morality on either side, really. She's really wrong. So she's perfect for that character. That's exactly what Michael Mann said. He's like, because you think this way, you're perfect for Edie and you should do this. Yeah. Convinced her.
00:49:20
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Yeah. She's fine. i don't, she's not blowing up my skirt, but she's also not, uh, pissing me off. Yeah. I mean, she's barely like this fake accent she's got going on. i didn't even notice.
00:49:30
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Oh, Really? i she's She's in like 34 seconds of a three hour long movie. Except for that long scene where she's sitting silently in a car.
00:49:42
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Her best word. that when She's sitting in the diner and she's, oh, but I'm from a small town, but I'm from New York. Oh, that's right. What you reading there? That's right. What you get? I guess I did notice. I just forgot.
00:49:56
Speaker
Yeah, I get you. You are right. It's short. She talks during that scene. And then basically later on, she's just like... The accent's gone. Well, she's just screaming, why did you do this? And then she just says yes and no for the rest of the movie. I thought it was such a quick flip too because she's like, why did you do this to me? To where we go? and Yeah, well, he it's a they it's a passing of time. We'll we'll talk about it when get there.
00:50:17
Speaker
But he does end up convincing her because she's like, oh, he's not that bad. He just murders I would have gone. He doesn't want to. He doesn't want to murder cops. He would happily steal without killing you let him. feel more safe with him. Mm-hmm.
00:50:28
Speaker
You girls just like you a fucking bad boy, dude. Whether it's him and it's an older bad boy, like a bad man, or it's Val Kilmer, the fucking troubled bad boy with a cock of gold that y'all just think you can fix.
00:50:42
Speaker
I don't think I can fix anybody. I make your problems worse. so And then we've got McKelty Williamson, I mentioned, playing Drucker, another cop. And he is probably, we for most people, most famously Bubba. But also in Con Air.
00:50:57
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He's also in Con Air. As the diabetic. He's been in a movie with Nicolas Cage. Yeah. He's elevated up. um He's also been in a long-running TV show. Justified. With Timothy Olyphant.
00:51:08
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What's his character's name in Justified? I remember. He's the butcher. He is the butcher. Also with your favorite actor.
00:51:16
Speaker
Wrong kid died. ah Baby Billy's Bible Bunkers. Walton Goggins. Thank you. Baby Billy's Bible Bunkers. In a recent episode, he fucking pops his ring open and goes, Lord Jesus, bless this cocaine.
00:51:30
Speaker
And then sniffs it. I never knew I needed to hear somebody ask God to bless their cocaine doing it for me. There you go. um But he he takes Vincent to meet with this guy, Albert, who's like the a snitch for them, who's going to take them to meet with his cousin.
00:51:46
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was played by Tone Lover. And this is the scene I was talking about where he starts yelling at it. Because he's so calm. And all of a sudden, give me all you got. Give me all you got. What time are we meeting? Yeah, he tells him about the meeting and he goes to walk out. He's like, and don't waste my motherfucking time. Like, it's just one word. I like um ah Bubba Gump. The actor knows.
00:52:08
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I can't follow that up. So he just gives him like a mean lean like look back like, I can't match that energy. no i'm just going to stare you down. Fuck. ah I'm kind of scared myself right now. He's driving.
00:52:21
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i don't think he slept in some. I think Michael Michael Mann likes to reuse people, but not as like stars all the time. Yeah. Fox did get to kind of star in Ali, and he was also a star of Miami Vice, but in collateral and collateral. So he I think he's used him the most.
00:52:38
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But we meet Kelso, who's played by Tom Noonan, who played the serial killer in Manhunter that they're hunting down the whole time. Well, West Study, I can name you two right off the top of my head. Yeah, and West Study was in more than one. So, like, we see these people coming back.
00:52:53
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He's got his players. He's got his troop, especially if you work with... i want to say he's, like, a tough director, but in particular. and when you have When you're a particular director and you find these people that work in your realm, you're like, I want you all back because you get Yeah.
00:53:07
Speaker
And even for small things. I mean, Tom Noonan is just here to set them up for the bank heist. He has one scene. yeah It's great. Yeah. Isn't he the wheelchair guy? Yeah. Yeah. I love it because he's just like, where do you get this information? It's let's pull it out of thin air, dude. and It's everywhere.
00:53:21
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They fucking just send this information. i know how to get it. This is early internetting. Oh, yeah. He's trying to explain to Robert De Niro, like, there's actually little bits of information everywhere.
00:53:31
Speaker
What do you mean? it just There's information. Val, get up here. Start shooting with me. There's information everywhere. This is the Zucker Brothers version of of heats right?
00:53:44
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Information everywhere. um But he sets them up for the new score. we We see William Fichtner, who's... No, he's not a welcome back. I've just seen him a lot recently. Yeah, I yeah i was thinking about myself, too. Like, he's got to be on here. We just watch a lot of his shit. Who? The guy from Go.
00:54:03
Speaker
Oh, yeah. He's from go We talked about the bank robbery in Dark Knight. He's that. He's the the the mob boss's bank owner guy. man He looks like a rat. He's in angry Drive Angry as the accountant. He's in Virtuosity, which we just watched. There's something else like a big one that I'm blanking on, but I very much like this actor, whether he's being a good guy or bad guy. He's one that can flip back and forth.
00:54:25
Speaker
Have I ever seen him be a good guy? I was just thinking, was like, when is he a good guy? I mean, technically he's a good guy in Go because he's tough. Whatever I'm thinking of, he's a good guy. Is he in Armageddon? He is in Armageddon. Yeah, he's in Armageddon. Is in that? Yeah, kind of.
00:54:38
Speaker
He's just kind of a douchebag, though. He pulls a gun. All right. He's following orders. He's the captain of the the ship that makes it up there. And then the president, Keith David, by the way, if he's your president or whatever he was general, you listen when he tells you explode. General, yeah.
00:54:54
Speaker
Explode that bomb, son. He's like, yes, sir. You generally listen? I generally listen. take out I didn't take that nuke out for air. And we got his sidekick, who's played by Henry Rollins. Yep. Who's a black flag guy. Why does your white security guard got a black flag tattoo on the back of his neck?
00:55:10
Speaker
I think most security guards do. That's fair, actually. Especially in 1995. It's like having the Punisher on you. Henry ro Henry Rollins will be back by the way, because I'm guns to get my Johnny Mnemonic on. Oh yeah. He's in bad boys too.
00:55:24
Speaker
He's in bad boys to be getting my Johnny Mnemonic on. He's also in lost highway, but I mean, there's a lot of people in that too. It's fucking three hours long as well. Uh, But basically we find out what, from what I gathered from what John Voight says here is the shit they stole belong to Van Zandt.
Van Zandt's Double-Cross in 'Heat'
00:55:41
Speaker
Yeah. But they're trying to sell it to Van Zandt. And he's like, why are you trying to sell me back my own shit?
00:55:45
Speaker
So the way it worked is because now he's going to get ah hundred percent of his money back from insurance. Correct. But now he can buy these, his bonds back at 60% of the cost. Right.
00:55:59
Speaker
Yeah, but these bonds are already recorded as stolen, so if he were to bring them back, he'd have to give insurance money back. They could be unmarked bonds. This guy's a shady, white-collar mobster.
00:56:10
Speaker
Yeah. So he's got ways of getting around that. He just goes to the Caymans. Exactly. he's he's He likes the idea, but then he's like, no, we're not doing that. like Once he hangs up, he's like, no. the street The word cannot get out in the street that it's okay to steal from me.
00:56:23
Speaker
Yeah. I'm example. fucking kill these guys. And we get that really awesome scene at the drive-in movie theater where Robert de Niro's like, yeah, meet me alone. And he acts like he's alone, but he's not, of course. And this truck shows up and they're like do it passing in the goods Hitman sneaks out of the back. Dude, he fucking pinches him between these cars. Yeah. And just, I mean, good move.
00:56:46
Speaker
It's a fucking great move. Yeah. But i was wondering about the stuntman. Is he okay? He looked like he was kind of hurting. That was a. Well, then they ran him over. I think that stuntman's dead. and Was there a rest in peace at the end of the. Right. Dedicated to the memory. Michael Mann's like, I like authenticity.
00:57:01
Speaker
Get me somebody that's a serial rapist and don't tell him what I want done to him. I'd be okay with that. Someone that's dying already. that man in half. Somebody that's dying already and wants to die on film.
00:57:13
Speaker
The new death sentence, you get to pick which director kills you in what movie. Which one you don't want to kill you and then you go to that one.
Working with Canon vs. Rob Zombie
00:57:21
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I've always wanted to work with ah somebody from Canon. You who you don't want to work with if that's the option?
00:57:27
Speaker
Rob Zombie. because you're getting eviscerated and disemboweled. Yeah. And that's who you should go to. No, no, no. i want to I want to get killed by the guy who does a like sniper movies.
Dark Humor: 'Pedophile Chop'
00:57:38
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Why do you get to go out easy? What's your... what why you Why did you... Pedophile? Did you murder somebody? Did you say pedophile? We shoot him. We shoot a chop.
00:57:48
Speaker
There's only one way to kill a pedophile. Pedophile chop. We all know that. USA, number one. We put him in Cybertruck. Set him on fire. Pedophile burn. As they all should.
00:58:00
Speaker
but yeah Buy my new swastika car. Yeah, this guy gets pinched between the cars. ah fucking I really love like... he's He's shooting at Robert De Niro as Robert De Niro is driving at him. And these things are romping in this fucking ah drive-in theater. This station wagon, which has like really dope rims on
De Niro and Kilmer's Action-Packed Shootout
00:58:18
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it. i was like, man, Robert De Niro got some rims on the station wagon. Dude, they are throwing these things up like they got hydraulics. Yeah.
00:58:25
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and like the guy is shooting at De Niro, and Val Kilmer shoots him with this sniper rifle, presumably like a.50 cal. I don't even think it's a.50 cal. This dude spins. Yeah, I don't think it's a.50 cal, but it's a big one, and it fucking spins him, and then but Robert De Niro shoots him with his and spins him, and then just runs him over.
00:58:41
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He's like one of those little ah duck dock things. I was thinking of a pinball machine of death. But yeah, that guy gets run over. the truck guy almost makes it.
00:58:52
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and Until Tom Sizemore blasts him in the fucking face with a shotgun.
Prison Philosophy: Living Without Attachments
00:58:55
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Where are you going, man? Hold on. Bam. didn't say you can leave yet. um Oh, there is a moment right before that that I didn't mention where ah because it's important later on um Niro and Val Kilmer are talking and he's like, they're talking about his wife and all this stuff.
00:59:12
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And he's like, dude, you remember this guy we were in prison with? He said, never have any attachments that you can't let go of in less than 30 seconds and just walk away. You want to make big moves in the streets. Yeah. When the heat is on.
00:59:23
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Said it an hour into the film. They say it a bunch though too like where's this extra heat coming from? Oh the extra heat's because of you. He's the one bringing that heat. Heat, eight heat, heat, heat. eight And we also do set up Dennis Haysburg's character Breeden, which is a weird name.
Dennis Haysburg's Character and Subplot
00:59:39
Speaker
Breeden? Breeden. Okay. B-R-E-E-D-A-N. He's Breeden. I thought it was Breedman. Maybe that's his last name? Oh, it'd have to be his last name. Or he that dude be fucking. I think they say the news later, Breeden something. like They say that first. It doesn't matter.
00:59:53
Speaker
he I just wanted to set him Breeden young. back to the movie later. Yeah. And he's also a welcome back. Oh, yeah. Major League. Welcome back. Welcome back. Welcome back. We're going to see him soon. in Navy SEALs.
01:00:04
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Okay. Because I want to make both of you guys watch Major League 3 Back to the Minors. It's got Walton Goggins. And he's young. And he is fun. Oh, is this before the teeth? He's got this is on his second set of veneers. Oh, well, basically he's
Systemic Injustice and Job Exploitation
01:00:19
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a parolee. He got this job at a diner.
01:00:21
Speaker
He's like he's bottom bitch. The guy's like, I'm taking 25% of your take home. ah You can't call out. You don't get breaks. Go fuck yourself. I'm a really good grill man. That's great. du You're going to be mopping up the fucking bathrooms and cleaning up shit.
01:00:32
Speaker
Yeah, I don't need a fucking grill man. Yeah, but he does end up being a grill man also mopping and taking care of everything. Oh, yeah, because you can use them. Yeah, because you can't do anything cause you're on parole. if you if you He says, if you if you give me any sass, I'll tell him you were high or something like that. and kind of Kind of can't really do anything about it.
01:00:50
Speaker
This guy could just give me the wrong attitude and I'm going to fucking plant some alcohol on you and then call the fucking parole. I feel like you could go to your PO o and be like, hey, I'm going to do this job, but you need to come and check on me because this is all the shit that's going this PO is not in on it.
01:01:04
Speaker
Because he even says like this is how it works. Ask fucking. And he says the name. Oh, you're like, that's not worse. You'd ask him. you're You're kind of fucked now because you're a con. Yeah, but also exactly. You're a con. Like you could go to your PO and say, well, this guy was doing this stuff to me. And he's like, well, he says you were doing drugs and drinking and not showing. i He hasn't been to prison. Yeah.
01:01:23
Speaker
Yeah. That guy hasn't been to prison, so... Oh, they'll just hold you in a cell until the alcohol would be out of your system anyway. Yeah. You know, they don't really need to do much. It's a sad state where the fucking con's rights actually are in this country.
01:01:36
Speaker
Oh, yeah. I mean, and this is 30 years ago. It hasn't changed. It's changed. I think we have more black people here. Yeah, i think it's gotten worse, actually. yeah It's changed. Not for the better.
01:01:47
Speaker
Another small thing that gets set up here is Hank Azaria is banging um Chris's wife or
Hank Azaria's Comedic Impact
01:01:54
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Chanel. shirt Yeah. He's banging Chris's wife. Yeah. Sorry. i was Do you think that Hank Azaria impression master, think he was walking around doing any fucking Al Pacino or Bobby De Niro to people? A thousand percent. Like with bob with with Robert De Niro, he's like, who is this?
01:02:10
Speaker
He doesn't have to say a fucking word. Just the 80s stand up comedian. it says Okay, I'm going to do some impersonations now. Are you talking to me? You're talking to me? not doing the voice, but he just goes, You're talking to me? Did you just see that scene, man? how fucking Al Pacino's yelled about having a great ass in front of me. Got a great ass. He's right behind me, isn't he?
01:02:32
Speaker
Also, welcome back to Hank Azaria. Yeah. gold see ah playing the same character basically like he's got doing the same voice which might just be his voice i don't know what he talks like i've only ever heard him do character voices that's just that's just as his voice
01:02:49
Speaker
and de niro goes in and tells her like dude you could give chris one more chance and if he fucks up i'll personally pay for you to go away she smiles it's a powerful well i think she smiles because she's like well fuck This is Neil.
Neil's Influence on Relationships
01:03:00
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Like, this is the boss of this crew. And he just, like, he's he's not threatening her, but he's, like, smashing things on the wall. Like, no, no, no. Here's how it's going. You are giving him one more fucking chance. She flinches, though. Like, she's been hit before. She's been hit before. Absolutely. Well, I think she's with this bad boy. She's got a fucking pattern. When Val Kilmer came home to her earlier, we yeah missed that part. But, like,
Val Kilmer's Domestic Conflict
01:03:20
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she flipped out. we Yeah, but he was, he, uh,
01:03:23
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on a dime just started throwing shit and screaming he was across the room and he was like leave the fucking keys in the checkbook and she's like i'm taking the kid too he turns and takes like three giant steps is in her face he's like you will not be taking my son like he's he's probably hit her before as a character okay yeah plus i mean you see that hair Yeah, it was a terrible fucking extension. You can't act like you have hair like that. You just have to have it. But yeah, then Tone Loke shows up and tells them about.
01:03:54
Speaker
He's feeding him bullshit. at Not bullshit. He's just really, really vague. And he's like, I want you to take out my competitors. There's a shop over here that has a couple of Porsches, you know, and Al Pacino's like, well, how do I know your information is worth it? You know, he's like, how do I know you're going to do it?
01:04:07
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Yeah, because I fucking said so. And all he tells him is like, yeah, I ran into an ex-con and Pacino's like, great, thanks. That
Pacino's Surveillance Strategy
01:04:13
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that helps a lot. You ran into an ex-con in fucking L.A. Wow. He said he had some action going. OK.
01:04:19
Speaker
Yeah. And then he's like, man, this slick don't mess around now. He's like, say, now say what? What's a slick? What'd you say about this? Like slick. Did he? I love Al Pacino just chewing gum and just acting like nothing matters.
01:04:33
Speaker
He's trying to quit smoking. I guess so. He probably was. ah But yeah, we do find out about Slick and they look him up and it's or he knows his name is Michael Torito. So then they look him up. They put tails on him. They put bugs on him. This is and he's like, this is Al Pacino setting up.
01:04:51
Speaker
I want a jacket on everybody he sits with and a jacket on everybody they sit with. Like, this is how we start to narrow this down. We get our network going. yeah And then they get a fucking bingo.
01:05:03
Speaker
Everybody's together for... Was Sizemore's little daughter's birthday or something? Like, why are they out there? family dinner? This could just be a family. Yeah, think it's just like their family gathering. this Yeah, this just could be like a once a month we all go out kind of thing. Okay. But it could be something else because um ah he did... michael ah Tom Sizemore did get her something, his wife or
Heist Planning and Character Motivations
01:05:24
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girlfriend. Mm-hmm.
01:05:24
Speaker
But also like they're all on the roof watching that meeting. The cops are. And they already know they're like every car. So they've seen him meeting all these people already. They're like, we know who that is. We've got what we've got ah trackers on this guy and we've got guys bugs on that guy's phone.
01:05:39
Speaker
The only one they don't know is Robert De Niro. What's the time frame of this? day Is it like within a year? ah that's a good question. I don't know. I mean, I would say within probably a couple of weeks at the most.
01:05:50
Speaker
You think it's only a couple weeks? Yeah. Yeah, because I mean... to Talk about like from very beginning robbery to the last moment of this movie. Yeah. Yeah, would I would think it's a couple months. I don't think so.
01:06:01
Speaker
You don't go from one heist directly into another. You gotta kind lay low little bit. If worth it, it's this big one they keep talking about, because they can't walk away from this. Because they were gonna hold off on this one, the big one in this movie, because they have this other heist set up, but because they're being tracked...
01:06:17
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They don't end up getting it. and So I think that he's just like, well, fuck it. Then we'll do this one because that's when they're
Diner Scene: De Niro vs. Pacino
01:06:21
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like, we're going to get out of town. And he's like, no, let's stay and do that. Or they all decide. We missed the part where like they start doing the heist and Al Pacino. No, no, no, no. no that That comes up in a second. I did want to just mention when De Niro talks to Van Zandt on the phone and he's like, what does he say? He's like, hey, I'm talking to forget about the money.
01:06:40
Speaker
I'm talking to an empty telephone. right What do you mean by that? Yeah. Forget the money. What are you talking about? There's a fucking dead man on the other side of this. Goosebumps, you know. This guy knows what he's doing.
01:06:52
Speaker
Knows how to threaten the guy. You fucked with the wrong guy. You you're fucked with the wrong guy. So much easier to do Pacino, even though my throat hurts already. That's where you start with a fucking hurt throat and down here. But then right after that is the family dinner. find out all that stuff. That's where they find Neil.
01:07:09
Speaker
We find out Wayne grow is serial killing hookers. Yeah. So that's fun. I mean, it's just, I hate, I'm not saying it's just chick deserved it, but dude, as a fucking a person of color, as a prostitute, do not get into bed with men with Nazi tattoos. You're,
01:07:23
Speaker
because at In her defense, she didn't see the tattoos until after they were in bed together. Bullshit. Bullshit. She took a shirt off for Hanky Panky and was like, oh, look at that. It's an eagle on a swastika. Let me go freshen up. Climb out the window.
01:07:36
Speaker
Yep. Because the best case scenario, they're going to have really hard, awkward sex with you out of hatred. Well, and like, you know, he's going to want to do butt stuff. So she got a perfect out. She's like, well, got to go take a shit first. Yeah.
01:07:48
Speaker
There you go. Climb out that window and run. All Nazis like butt stuff,
Dark Humor: Nazis and Inappropriate Jokes
01:07:51
Speaker
right? I assume. Yeah. It just it depends if it's yours or theirs. But yeah. It's always theirs. Not always. No, they like it both ways.
01:08:00
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Ass to ass.
01:08:03
Speaker
Oh, man. Al Pacino as Keith David. i didn't take it out for him. Ass to ass. Ass to ass. Yeah, that's just basically to set up them catching Wayne Grow and being able to.
01:08:19
Speaker
i don't even know that's for. because he slipped away. to that he's a piece of shit, I guess. Yeah, that's all i only that he does. The cops don't even get him right away. He goes to Van Zandt because of this job that he gets hired for. Yeah, you would think that it's another thread because they are Al Pacino is on to the serial ah ah murder, ah raping murder of of this. like He's on to it.
01:08:37
Speaker
But yeah, it doesn't come to a thing, actually, that you say that. Yeah. um We did miss that. though We he a Wangro gets away from them at a diner like they are splitting it up. Yeah. Oh, I'm like that a
Heist Dynamics and 'Red Shirt' Characters
01:08:48
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little bit. Oh, yeah. He gets away. I love i love this crew set up because they all know where to walk.
01:08:54
Speaker
Trejo's like, I gotta go take a piss and then goes in lines of trunk with grocery bags. Yeah, like he knows. And then, you know, Michael Madison's like, I'm gonna be in the back. That way you can't run like they have it all. Sorry. Yeah. she she's got you all fucked up got me all michael madsend out now i'm sorry no but yeah they like they work as a fucking tight-knit crew which i guess is why they can rotate a person in and rotate them right out yeah they need that guy who can get killed they need a red shirt uh-huh do we have everything for the heist we don't have a red shirt yet i would feel so like coming into this crew where they're all real tight like hi guys oh oh i'm the red shirt aren't i
01:09:34
Speaker
it's really neat getting to know you.
01:09:38
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We do get a moment with Vincent and Al Pacino and
Vincent's Relationship with Natalie Portman's Character
01:09:42
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Natalie Portman. just kind of sets up like she's looks at him more as a dad than he even looks at her mom as a mom or any this.
01:09:49
Speaker
She's a hundred percent. Like she loves, she needs a dad and her dad does not like often is way late or just doesn't show. Just doesn't show. that So this is the best example of a dad that she has. And again, it's just important for later.
01:10:02
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so um, so yeah, they go to do this platinum
Heist Complications and Police Tension
01:10:06
Speaker
heist. They're going to steal platinum, whatever. Chris is cutting into the safe and doing all that. Neil, I don't know if he actually sees something or if he just gets a vibe. No, one of the cops leaned sits in the truck and bumps it.
01:10:20
Speaker
Yeah, his gun. They're in the back of these moving trucks that are all lined up, which isn't a bad thing that they're all there. But this cop, that he said something earlier, and Al Pacino's like, no, shut the fuck up. Stay off your radio. Stop making sounds. He's already getting jumpy. He's like, shut the fuck up.
01:10:35
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And then he's pacing around, eventually goes to sit, and then hard sits on the back. And his gun goes slam. The shot of De Niro in, what is that, the night vision?
01:10:47
Speaker
Awesome. Terrifying. He just stares down the fucking lens, dude, and is just white and skull-like. Those eyes are fucking fire. And he knows, man. He's like, it's not worth the risk. He's made. That might have been just a random fucking junkie, but it might not have been. Yeah.
01:11:02
Speaker
Yeah, so they they cut and run, and like that cop is like, well, let's get him anyway. And fucking Pacino's like, for what, breaking and entering? Yeah, they're going to plea out of that, or not even it the judge isn't going fucking care. Or either he says something like, they'll do a couple months, and they're just back. like yeah That's not the point.
01:11:16
Speaker
The point is to bust them for something real. So um this is when De Niro's like, all right, guys, like we're we've got too much
Cops Discover Heist Plans
01:11:24
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heat. It's time to go. We got to go. We got to stop. We got to cancel everything. Go on. so Assume they got us right now.
01:11:30
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Yeah. Assume this conversation is being watched. And Val Kilmer, of course, doesn't want to go. He needs the money. This is where he says the Super Bowl. Wipe me out. Yep. Tom Sizemore is insane.
01:11:41
Speaker
yeah i well he I love this because he's first like I go where you go and he's like not this time this time you need to fucking make your own choice because he has like T-bills and all kinds of like investments and he's doing really well with his money apparently yeah probably a fucking badass woman behind him and it's not enough though he's like I will ride with you follow the juice I'm an action junkie ye that's what the that's what Tone Loke said about him too yeah he's all about the action That man's a funky Cole Medina. And then Danny Trejo is just like, Danny Trejo is like, yeah, fuck it, dude.
01:12:15
Speaker
You guys are all doing it. Yeah. So what am I going to just not do it? Yeah. ah The cops go flip Hank Azaria because he's got some shit in his past. Yeah. He smuggled cigarettes from North Carolina three years ago. Just taxes, I guess, because it's way cheaper there.
01:12:31
Speaker
um i don't know I don't know about now, when I was still a smoker, which is seven plus years ago, I think six maybe. um All those states that have like the tobacco growing are dirt fucking cheap cigarettes.
Thieves vs. Cops: Tactical Maneuvering
01:12:44
Speaker
So take them across state lines and not paying that tax is illegal. Well, reselling them. You could take across for yourself all you want. Taking them to the new jersey New Jersey or New York and selling them is what they sell. Right.
01:12:56
Speaker
I mean, a dude got choked to death for that in real life. so Really? Is that what Marky Mark did? No, it's one of the many. Don't fucking cross board with them smokes. What'd you get this? Smells One of the times that a New York police officer killed an unarmed black person for a crime that didn't deserve death. For that. Yeah. Wow.
01:13:12
Speaker
For selling cigarettes. We do have to keep the the streets safe from cigarettes. Yeah.
01:13:18
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Blink. Is the next one going to be killed for selling, like, what, super-sized Cokes? But anyway. What kind of Coke? Cokes. He had a thirst buster.
01:13:29
Speaker
Thirst buster. What is that? That's Dr. Pepper. Speaking of Marky Mark, he had a thirst buster buster. I was really high, so I had to get the thirst buster buster. Well, I got a thirst busster buster buster buster.
01:13:43
Speaker
Oh, bro, that's three fucking busters, Buster. This is where we get the line that Jack says constantly every every time this movie or Al Pacino comes up. Why did I get involved with that bitch?
01:13:55
Speaker
Because she's got a great ass and you got your head all the way up it. Something i think about a woman's ass and something comes out of me. That's all right.
01:14:06
Speaker
You don't act on it. It's the son of a woman's ass. yeah a marine in that too huh he's a marine in that too oh is he yeah cause they I think it's Jon Voight talks about this dude he's like what we we said earlier the three divorces stuff and he's like this guy's a legit man like he's a marine he went to this graduate nar school yada yada yeah started narcs and like he busted up some really fucking they mention names that aren't mean don't mean a thing to us nothing to us like he busted up Johnny fucking Bravo's crew laughing
01:14:40
Speaker
you mean um um'm here to I'm here to rob a bank. Stick him up, mama. He had a mask on, but he had amazing hair. Also, really giant torso and the tiniest little legs you've ever seen. I'm not sure how he stood up. He definitely wasn't running to get away.
01:14:56
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that's That's him right there waddling down the street. He was trying to run, but he luckily he went down the alley, so he just bing, bing, bing, bing. Oh, man, I didn't think this one through, did
01:15:06
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ah But this has got a great ass, man. This is one of my favorite moments of the whole movie is the
Diner Showdown: Life Philosophies
01:15:12
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cops are... All the cops are here following these guys. They have a meeting at the shipyard. And it's like they're talking about their...
01:15:19
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They're talking about the the heist. he's I think it this they're talking about the exit strategy after. Yeah, but he's he's he's talking about the real exit strategy, but they're at the shipyard because these guys, the cops don't know what their heist is going to be. Right, correct.
01:15:33
Speaker
So now they come out and they're like, okay, so what the fuck are they trying to steal from here? Like this or that? And Al Pacino's like, maybe he's stealing some fucking hubcaps. You know what? I think I got it. I got a good idea of what he's looking at.
01:15:44
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You see it? He's looking at us. Yeah. Boy, you'll love this crew. Oh, you fucking love Just turns around. He's like, here I am. Take a picture to fucking last long.
01:15:54
Speaker
De Niro's just up there laughing. like me That's because he has the Snapchat filters on. look at Look at him with a beard. Look at him without a beard. Look, look. He's a pickle now. He's like, open your mouth.
01:16:08
Speaker
There's rainbows coming out of his mouth. They got us dead to rights. want to see what he looks like as a woman.
01:16:19
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What's he gonna look like when he's old?
01:16:24
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But yeah, it's just a good fucking moment because it's like, because Pacino even said earlier, like when one of the cops was like, well what's their M.O. at the Harvard car house? Their M.O. is they're fucking good. Yeah, that's it.
01:16:35
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They know what the fuck they're doing. Yeah, we're starting to see that that admiration and respect. Like, dude, fuck, man, I like this guy. umm i If the hunt is what he's looking living for, this might be the best day of his life.
01:16:47
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Agreed. So, vo John Voight does tell Robert De Niro, like, they still have don't know where you are, because he tells them all the information that they have.
01:16:58
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They still know where you are because they lose you every night when you're on your way home. So we go to this scene where they have not one, but two helicopters tailing Robert De Niro, as well as two or three three behind different cars on the street.
01:17:13
Speaker
He's that good. And Pacino gets dropped off, jumps in one of these cars, chases him down, pulls him over, Let me buy you a cup of coffee. I love this because they both got their guns. fucking De Niro has his gun under his like right thigh.
01:17:27
Speaker
Pacino comes out with this beautiful ivory handle. it's ah It's a variant on the Colt 1911 and I love this gun. It's a.45. It's one of my favorite guns on the fucking planet. and First ever shot. He comes out nice in Iowa.
01:17:40
Speaker
yes he comes out i gotta visit this iowa he comes out and he's got his drawn and fucking already cocked back i mean that hammers back like i i do not want to do this because i love this guy but or i respect this guy but he's gonna want do it to me yeah it was sorry it was a colt 45 long barrel that's all right six shooter but also they haven't killed any cops yet they killed rent-a-cops right he wants to arrest them for the stuff he's done yeah Later on, it just comes down to me or you. so ah But yeah, they go and have this diner scene. And obviously, we're not going go through it because you're not Al Pacino. I'm not Robert De Niro.
01:18:14
Speaker
This scene is fucking amazing. It's what, like three minutes? but Yeah, it's a powerhouse scene of just... Verbal jockeying back and forth. Just the facials also, because there's silence between them and they just look at each other. The thing I do, the the part I did like was Al Pacino's like, do you want to go back? Like, are you one these? I bust these guys all the time that just like need to fuck up. and he's like, do I look like I want to go back? Do I have? I'm never going I'm not, I'm not this, yeah, I'm not this born to lose fucking robbing up liquor stores, motherfucker. I will never go back.
01:18:46
Speaker
and then And this is one of the scenes I saw the comparison to on L.A. Takedown. And the people weren't bad. But again, they weren't these two. It's the exact same. This is the upper echelon of this fucking of this era. Well, it's this exact same dialogue of like, I'm never going back. Well, then quit taking down scores like it's all of the same things. But it's just like De Niro and Pacino and then these two TV actors like.
01:19:09
Speaker
I'm never going back. Right. Smolder. It's like comparing us to Joe Rogan. Somebody is insane and we're not Joe Rogan.
01:19:22
Speaker
thought you meant like the the amount of listeners. That too. Don't ever compare me to Joe Rogan in any way other than I yell at a microphone. He chews gum when he drinks whiskey, and I think that's something a monster does. That's, yeah.
01:19:34
Speaker
He should be the death sentence. Yeah. I had no beef with him until I saw that. One day he just on stage it was with,
Quirky Drink Combinations
01:19:40
Speaker
what's the? Well, you know what though? He's probably just drinking Fireball. ah It's not real whiskey.
01:19:46
Speaker
true it's not real whiskey but still it's not it's a cinnamon liqueur he's drinking peanut butter whiskey screwball chewing gum i love peanut butter and mint and oh god it's getting worse all right also when we get done with this we're going to get a shot of rumpleman's mixed with uh screwball peanut butter mint walk it better go to a bar where we know the bartenders because we walk into any other bar they're gonna like i'm sorry sir i'm gonna have to cut you off get out Get out. It's a good thing we know a couple of us. What'd you get 86 for? Well, I walked in with some confidence and I asked for a room temperature shot of Rumpelman's and Screwball.
01:20:23
Speaker
Oh, you monster. With a side of milk. You're 86 from my life. just you just hear a You just hear a cop undoing handcuffs like, oh, no, I need a pickle back with this. well You made it better. Yeah, you did.
01:20:35
Speaker
um I do like the line, though, where his's a Pacino's like, well, you don't want a regular type of life. De Niro just linked. I don't know. it This isn't his like badass thing. He kind of like laughs and like breaks a little bit. and He's like, what the fuck is that? Barbecues and ballgames? Yeah. No, why the fuck would I want that? Yeah. It's not exciting. We didn't talk about his apartment or his house. It has unfinished next to nothing in it.
01:20:56
Speaker
There's yeah a chair and an ottoman and a bed. Yeah. That's what we know. kitchen has coffee in it. Yeah, the kitchen looks all like that because he has a see-through cabinets. I don't see a fucking dish. I see like a coffee cup. He might have cheese has two now. He has coffee cups because he gives one to Val Kilmer.
01:21:11
Speaker
And he has one chair because Val Kilmer's sleeping on his floor. Yep. He's got a great view, though. You know what that means, though? He tried to sleep on that thing, but because it's not connected, he kept dipping and was like, fuck, I don't sleep on the goddamn floor. I've been there.
01:21:22
Speaker
He probably showed up really drunk. I've been there. Oh, Val, yeah. Thousand percent. Because you're not going to sleep in another man's bed. No. This is when he... welcome Sorry, even if you would, not that guy's bed. No.
01:21:36
Speaker
Like, that's how you get a fucking gun. That's how you wake up with a gun. You sleep in my bed? You fucking sleep in my sheets? Do I go to your fucking house and use your soap? Look, this isn't a movie franchise I was in. I'm putting a horse head in your bed. Did you use a soap without a washcloth in my shower?
01:21:52
Speaker
I could shoot you for that. Are you sleeping with me? Are you ah sleeping with me? I'll see anybody else here. You must be sleeping with me.
01:22:00
Speaker
Or it's the complete opposite. You wake up to him kissing you. Good morning. Whoa. That's scarier than the other thing.
De Niro's Loneliness and Sacrifice
01:22:07
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but Yeah. Go back to being mean. But it's when he tells Pacino about his 30 second rule. Nothing. You can't walk away 30 seconds or less.
01:22:18
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He does admit that he has a girlfriend and Pacino's like, what, you're just going to fucking leave her? And he's like, yeah. If I have to. Yep. If I don't have to go back to prison. That's the discipline. I liked his line when he was talking with ah Amy.
01:22:30
Speaker
Whatever. ah What was her name? Amy. Amy. Yeah. No, Edie. Edie. Amy was the show. Edie. yeah Her real name is Amy. Her real name is Amy. She's Amy on a TV show, but the character's name is Edie.
01:22:42
Speaker
So, Emmy, she says something that kind of sounds lonely. He's like, I'm alone. i'm not lonely. yeah She's like, well, I'm lonely. I've said that many times. like There's a big difference between alone and lonely. Yeah. And especially with him. He's like, he needs to be free and chase that. You have Kage.
01:22:57
Speaker
I would walk away from her in 30 seconds. Would you? No. That's what thought. can't go that fast. I do like their thing, too. I do like their thing back and forth together, too. I think it's De Niro's like, and don't really know how to do anything else. And Chino's like, yeah, neither do I. he's like And I wouldn't want to do anything else.
01:23:12
Speaker
yeah Neither would I. Yeah. Like they're the same person just on opposite sides of the coin. yeah If Pacino were to like walk, ah like quit this and then they focus on his wife. Sure.
01:23:22
Speaker
But he can't do that. He isn't anything that he can't chase. He can't retire. And that's why I think that this is the prequel to insomnia. and And also Pacino tell like but you know tells him like, look, I don't want to kill you. I'm a cop. That's not what I do, supposedly.
01:23:38
Speaker
But if it's between you and some poor woman that you're to widow, like some guy whose wife you're going make a widow, I'm taking you out. And DeNiro doesn't have the qualifiers. He's just like, yeah, if I see you, I'm taking you out. He even says, like, there's another side to that coin. Yeah.
01:23:53
Speaker
Like, as you said, this these are they these guys are the same. Yeah, exactly. But so then the the crew dumps all the surveillance. So the cops are blind. 9 i nine p m like So I'm thinking it's right around when they were having coffee. Yeah, because that's Pacino like, I was having coffee with Macaulay a half an hour ago. It wasn't decaf.
01:24:14
Speaker
In case you needed to ask, I had a fucking pot of it. Why? a whole pot of Death Wish coffee.
01:24:22
Speaker
And it's coming straight out of my ass.
01:24:29
Speaker
Drink so much coffee, I've got a hot ass. I've been there. Put some pep in your step and your ass in the john. Wayne Grove does end up meeting with Van Zandt.
01:24:40
Speaker
He sells out a bunch of information about Neil, which is what leads to all the rest of this. We find out that Trejo can't join the heist because he says that he's got cops telling him and can't shake them. Yeah.
01:24:52
Speaker
He's like, a really sorry, man. I wish I could be there. I'm like, that's fine. We happen to be at this diner with Dennis Haysbert, who I know from prison, from Folsom, which I hear is a really friendly and nice prison. this is There's a song about it.
01:25:05
Speaker
So they go and recruit Haysbert, who's like, this is moments after the dude's like, ah you don't get a break because everybody called out.
Workplace Tension and Confrontation
01:25:13
Speaker
And also go clean up some shit and then do this while you're cooking. Yeah. Yeah. So Haysbert's just like, man.
01:25:19
Speaker
Yeah, fuck this. i Yes, I will take that job. yeah Also, fuck you, honky. Oh, the way he fucking knocks him out of his way. And you see all the other workers are all just like, I can't hit him. I'll go back to jail. But you obviously don't care. One kid in the back who almost looks like the manager just with like ah shaved head. his you You could just see him be like, oh, shit.
01:25:42
Speaker
but sums out Chris Tucker just comes out of nowhere. You got knocked the fuck I don't know if we are with the part where like Justine and him are fighting. Justine. I was waiting for you it. I think we passed that.
01:25:57
Speaker
And like he finds Ralph in on his sofa. Oh, no, no. No, no we're not there yet. We are seeing the discourse, though. They've been fighting, obviously. um i think we passed the moment or we're about to pass the moment. Doesn't matter where they're like dance. ah the It's after everyone left the party and they get the sharing thing they're talking about. what i'm All I want to say is I think the people at the bus stop didn't know that a movie was being filmed.
01:26:20
Speaker
It looked like it. Oh, when he kicks the TV. Yeah, it looked like it. That's after the heist. Okay. Right now we're at the big heist. Yeah, but she's getting all dressed up. He's like, where are we going? And she doesn't answer. Where are you going?
01:26:33
Speaker
Out. And he's like, well, I'm losing this one too. I told Whitney, we were watching it. We had to pause it at one point. And she's like, there's still we're only halfway through the movie. And like, it doesn't feel like it's long. but So when you pause it, you're just like, oh, wow, we only went that far. But like so much shit has happened. Right. yeah That kind of like we're only not through.
01:26:50
Speaker
You're not like, oh, OK, I seen. I wondered like ah kind of just to myself thought about you can't really make a movie like this again. Because all these big shoot-em-up actions, besides just like the sound design and non-CG, that's one thing.
01:27:06
Speaker
Nobody that watches those movies now wants to see character development or plot. they were i was It was during De Niro and ah Enema on the balcony talking to each other.
01:27:17
Speaker
And was like, this is not boring to me, but it would be in a new movie. You know what I mean? Like, Den of Thieves is the ah but better example I could think of that is a heist shoot-em-up movie that's current.
01:27:29
Speaker
Dude, there's no fucking character development there. yeah There's no real plot except for bad guy, good guy, maybe guy. Well, your three-hour-long blockbusters now are all Transformers movies. Right. Which have 25-minute action sequences that you can't follow. You are not going to have a three hour action movie right now, which I'm not.
01:27:45
Speaker
I told her leading up to this. I was like, well, I think we're almost to the heist, which we were when I was like, I'm pretty sure the heist is like an hour. Dude, it's so much shorter than I remembered it being.
01:27:55
Speaker
There's a lot of fucking ingredients in this, too. Yeah. But like they they go and they rob this bank. It goes very smoothly. Yeah. Up until. This other cop shows up and he's like, hey, Vincent, we got a call from the CI who's still looking for Neil McCauley. Yeah, he heard Neil talking about this bank, first bank, whatever at this address. And they're like, well, let's go see what's going on over there.
01:28:19
Speaker
Let's go check it out. Yeah. the Otherwise they got away. This would have been a perfect fucking heist. Yep. Yep. Yeah. Because when the cops pull up, they're already walking out. Fucking Wangro. Giant bags full of money. Fucking Wangro. I do want to mention real quick, fucking Val Kilmer packing up this money.
01:28:34
Speaker
made me happy sexy just just throwing this bag over it and flipping it's all bundled still and then cutting that the plastic so you can squish it yeah because it wouldn't quite fit so he just cuts it and like packs it in there and like i'm just like dude just get that money out of there just four four bricks of money let's go good god it was i think it was six bricks because it was three bags yeah okay yeah i think we know it's about 13 million yeah Like, at the last second, Chris is about to get in the car, bus moves, and he sees the cops across the street, and there's not even, like, a moment of hesitation. He doesn't let them fire first or say anything.
01:29:11
Speaker
Just opens fire, and we've just got this massive gun battle for the next 15 minutes. These are ready to go rock and roll on the drop of a dime. I'm sorry. If you were in this town and you were hearing this gun battle, would you not...
01:29:24
Speaker
Run away. you know All these people are just standing. Everybody behind me would have tripped and slipped on my shit. That's running down my legs. I don't know I would probably drop. like I love, I love, you you know, I love guns and and guns in movies. Yes. But in real life, when I hear this, I'm like, we got to get the fuck out of here yesterday. yes And we've talked before about the sound design. These are not added in sounds.
01:29:48
Speaker
These are sounds. blanks they're blanks but they are doing live i mean like did i can't he's he's got he's got the guns mic'd up yeah so the sounds that are being made by the guns in this scene are the real sounds being made you cannot recreate because he says like you can't recreate in a studio the sound of that echoing Yeah. So off of buildings that fucking crack. Yeah. Echoing off buildings and coming back at you.
01:30:16
Speaker
um Obviously, they added a man, but like the ricochet of a real bullet kind of thing. And ah the the damage to he didn't want the damage to be fake. So they took these cars and stuff that get shot.
01:30:27
Speaker
They took him out to shooting range and shot him up. Yeah. And then they patched up all the holes and put squibs inside of them. So that when they're shooting, it's blasting out these squibs you have real bullet holes. That's so good to know. Especially when it's Kilmer at one point laying down cover and the car in front of them, is you just see it like whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop.
01:30:43
Speaker
I'm like, damn, him that's sick. Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty fucking cool. Yeah. so it's the This is the best sounding part of the movie. Like I fucking was laying down watching this and it came on. was like, get that up a little bit. Let's get me up. And then you fell asleep because it's like a white noise machine. Yeah. Pop,
01:30:59
Speaker
Mike, when I said remind me of... um i have a question for you. Yes. Al Pacino's gun in this. FNC? So he puts it on... Oh, the automatic one he's using. It's a select fire.
01:31:16
Speaker
Okay. Can you be that accurate? With this gun? He can. He's depicted like, his so he's he's a marksman. He is a Marine. Okay, that's right. Anybody listening, you're always a Marine.
01:31:28
Speaker
don't but Please don't at me. I get in so much trouble for that. um He's a marksman. You can see his he went to single fire ah on purpose because he needs every shot to count.
01:31:40
Speaker
As opposed to Kilmer, you can even see it. He's just trying to lay cover fire. Yeah. So he's spraying these fucking cop cars down where Pacino's picking his shots methodically. yeah you can absolutely the The only thing is this is a shorter barrel because you want to be able to clear stuff and it has what's called a birdcage on the end of it to try and reduce like the muzzle flash and whatnot.
'Heat's' Realistic Sound Design
01:31:59
Speaker
This is opted for him. This is a great gun to be using. um So Ted Levine gets killed. Wes Studi takes out the tires, so their car gets taken out.
01:32:10
Speaker
Takes out Haysbert, too. Vincent shoots Haysbert. Oh, okay. Yeah, Vincent blasts Haysbert. And you see it, before you see it from inside the car, see blood on the window. Yeah, and they hit the car, and the windshield gets covered in blood. and i was like, well, you knew it was coming. I was pretty sure Vincent was the one that blew out the tires.
01:32:26
Speaker
With his gun. No, no, no. Because I think Wes Studi's using a shotgun. Yeah, Wes Studi's using a shotgun. And that makes perfect sense. yeah That's why was like, how can you be that accurate? I mean, hit that that that's a Tom Sizemore part is my big question. yeah I want that long sword. um And it's probably something people know. I mean, it's been talked about a lot. But Val Kilmer was, according to the trivia, was thrilled to learn that the moment in the gun battle where he's reloading is used in like training for Marines. I think it was the Marines. Yeah. Marine recruits for how to reload a gun correctly and quickly.
01:33:00
Speaker
There was I don't know if drill instructor or drill sergeant, but was teaching a class and showed it. And he's like, if you can't reload faster that civilian, get the fuck out of my class. Like, look at that. Look at that guy. I vaguely remember you telling me that. Because this character has used guns a bunch. This is this is an actor.
01:33:15
Speaker
Yeah. who he He got taught a couple weeks how to handle this stuff. If you can't do it better than him, then you shouldn't be here. Right, right. You need to be doing this for real. Val Kilmer does get shot, but doesn't die.
01:33:27
Speaker
And Neil grabs him and takes off. Breaking his own rule. Neil should have, like, in in practice of 30 seconds, yeah he should have left him for dead. Yeah. But he's got I'm glad he did. Yeah. He has an attachment to Chris, hence the going to his wife and all that stuff. He's trying to help this guy get his shit together in so much as you can get your shit together. Right. It's like his brother.
01:33:47
Speaker
You do. You do get some feelings for your crew, obviously. ah And Sizemore takes off. Sizemore went a different direction. Yeah. And he takes this little girl hostage. He would have made it without but without Pacino being there.
01:34:01
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. He would have made it. Yeah. Because he's got the girl held like so and his gun out here. So I mean, these cops can't really return fire. No. They just can't. But I do think he can be this accurate with it. I don't think I could. But it's like a trained person. Especially if this is his gun.
01:34:20
Speaker
Like, you know, like you get used to your gun, your sights, and it's sighted in for him and everything. It's got his trigger calibration he likes. Again, I'm accidentally shooting this little girl.
01:34:30
Speaker
Yeah. i'm I'm fucking shaking so hard trying to fucking hold my... Like, I can't i can't hold my breath right now I'll die. Fair enough. So, yeah. Sizemore is just shot fucking dead.
01:34:41
Speaker
Yeah. And De Niro takes... ah Val Kilmer to this doctor, Dr. Bob, who we mentioned, Jamie Piven. um Is he a doctor or a veterinarian? I think he's a veterinarian. I would bet vet.
01:34:54
Speaker
Yeah, that's what was thinking. If mafia movies have taught me anything, you find like a guy that probably was a doctor until he had a drug or
Comedic Gunshot Treatment
01:35:01
Speaker
gambling problem. Which Piven fits that. Something happened and now he's a fucking mob vet doctor guy. Yeah. And Piven's playing it great. Yeah, he is. and If people don't.
01:35:10
Speaker
know who Jeremy Piven is. i mean, if you watched Entourage, he's Ari, the lawyer there. We will be doing PCU. Yeah. he PCU. Old school. He plays the dean. Oh, that's right. This is me leaving.
01:35:21
Speaker
This is me leaving. a pretty funny movie he did called The Goods. Live hard, sell hard or something like that. Did you like it? I remember liking it, but I saw it way back then. Yeah. I kind of have a a similar thing. I don't remember loving it. I remember liking it. I remember liking Craig Robinson's DJ character. Okay.
01:35:38
Speaker
I think that's the movie. its Unless it's a different car movie. I'm pretty sure it's that one. They're having a big sale and they have this DJ and he's DJ requests. People keep yelling requests to him and he'll play something the completely opposite. he's like nobody tells DJ requests what to play. Like he's so fucking pissed off.
01:35:53
Speaker
yeah Play this booty shaking song and he'll play like.
01:35:59
Speaker
damn he's got some fucking max rebo on vinyl you don't no i don't surprisingly fail yep i'm a record player no i don't i don't have it you do have a record player but i don't have max rebo on vinyl but you do have a record player Yeah.
01:36:13
Speaker
So if anybody's going to release Max Rebo on vinyl, I'll take it. Actually, that's Finger and Dan. I want this new Sniddle's cut. Oh, it is Finger and Dan. That's Finger and Dan, not Max Rebo. Yeah, you need that Jizz album. Yeah.
01:36:26
Speaker
Jizz on vinyl. Did you hear that their Disney is trying to change the name of it? Are they? It's not Jizz now. They're calling it something else. I saw reel from another podcast, and they were talking about it. They were trying to change the name because Jizz did not mean Jizz when George Lucas called it Jizz. Right.
01:36:42
Speaker
So he was like oh, it's like jazz, but with an I right and a G. So now Disney has been calling it Giz? Something else. something a different word. It starts with a J also. Guys. I can't remember, but this podcast, they were like, now I need you guys, everybody out there, to start calling ejaculating whatever that word is Disney started. Guys. um Let's call it skeet music.
01:37:04
Speaker
It was like junket or something. I don't know. Something with a J. That's still. I know, but I can't. I don't know. don't what it was, but it's like now I need everybody to turn that into a slang for ejaculating. I'll find it.
01:37:16
Speaker
That's easy. Anyway. ah Yeah, he takes his shirt. I mentioned that. That was funny. um Oh, he does talk to. He does. like a shirt That was funny.
01:37:27
Speaker
just like My daughter got it for me. I don't give a fuck. Yeah, dude. Look at these stacks of cash. Buy another shirt or another daughter. You don't you don't need either. But it's ah Val Kilmer who's like, man, who fucking snitched on us? And De Niro's not here. Who wasn't there? Yep.
01:37:44
Speaker
Fucking Danny Trejo, the snitch. i'm I'm just kidding. Don't kill me, please. Yeah, dude. he'll He'll get you. I mean, he was he did snitch, but it was duress. Right.
01:37:55
Speaker
Or under duress. They had Anna. Yeah. I mean, that's what we find out now. and Neil goes to Danny Trejo's house. Anna's dead in a very bad way. Trejo's basically dead.
01:38:06
Speaker
And he tells them like it was Wayne Grow. He was working for Van Zandt. They came and like had her hostage or whatever. So I had to. and told Whitney I read something again IMDB trivia so maybe not.
01:38:18
Speaker
But this house somebody else rented this house or moved into this house like later and they knew it was the house from Heat that Danny Trejo had been killed in. Kind of looks like the house from Bosch. They redid their carpet or they did something. they pulled up the carpet and the the ah subfloor is still stained with all the fake blood from Danny Trejo. That's fucking Danny Trejo's fake blood, dude. um yeah And i a thousand percent would want, if I'm in a position like this, fucking shoot me.
01:38:44
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Do not let me suffer. No, it's perfect because he's like, let me get the medic. He's like, no, huh I can't feel anything. He's like, just like um take care of me. See all this blood around my head that I'm gesturing my eyes to?
01:38:54
Speaker
That's because my arms don't work. I got you. i'll I'll double tap your brain. Thank you. So they can't use it. i did but This is where I got it. We were talking earlier about something I said and I was like, I don't know. oh But stuff.
01:39:07
Speaker
And was like, I don't know. I don't remember. because this Danny Trejo, like he's like, did you tell him how we were getting out? Yeah. Danny Trejo was like, I don't know. I have no clue. They beat me really good. Yeah.
01:39:19
Speaker
So he has to call John Voight, get a new out, which means he's got to hang out in L.A. for a little longer. ah The cops grab Henry Rollins. Which I don't know. what Were the outs actually compromised? I don't know if we find out But would you trust them anyway? and That was Pacino's whole thing. He's like, they they're he's going to find a new one. Well, it's it's exactly the same thing De Niro says when he's talking to John Voight, too. John Voight's like, are you sure they were compromised? He's like, I don't know.
01:39:41
Speaker
can't risk it. There's no way of knowing. There's no way of ever knowing. No way of knowing. ah The cops grab Henry Rollins and they find out about Wayne Grove. So now that everything is closing in. watching Wes Studi shoot these fucking hinges off the door, man. Like that's how you break into place. Yeah, it is. I know. I was like, what is he shooting? Why would the locks be? Oh, that's the other side of the door.
01:40:01
Speaker
Yeah. Fuck your lock. They don't work when you have no hinges. You know how this shit works? Neil does go to Van Zandt's house to gets his attention by tossing a chair through his giant window, which is awesome.
01:40:16
Speaker
And it's like, where's Wayne grow? Why the fuck would I know that? right. Blam, blam, blam. he got like He looks at him for a second. Like, I believe him. Bam. I believe you.
01:40:26
Speaker
But my Tommy gun don't believe you.
01:40:31
Speaker
ah Charlene goes with Hank Azaria and it turns out it's a, It's a setup. Cop trap. Cop trap. Cop trap. Cop trap. And it's McKelty Williamson like, hey, if you sell out your husband, then you can take your kid and you can go disappear somewhere.
01:40:50
Speaker
If you don't, we'll take you in as an accessory. Your kid goes to foster care, grows up in a shitty system, ends up stealing a car and then getting involved with criminals. And then he's just your your husband all over again. And I do like because Hank Azaria is like, fuck you, bitch. He's like, but what did you say to her?
01:41:06
Speaker
Get in there and make her a fucking drink. Like he does not like Hank Azaria. At all. Hank's just being a fucking a punk. You don't disrespect women like that. His mama raised him right. And when Chris does show up, like, you know, go out to the patio and make sure he sees you. So he comes up here and she sees him. He's got a haircut. He looks like Val Kilmer now.
01:41:27
Speaker
Not like a serial rapist. But she he said the way his face lights up, dude, and she lights up. But then she does this thing like hides her hand. Well, then she does like a cut with her hand.
01:41:39
Speaker
And he's like, well, fuck. Damn it. So he gets out of there. He gets stopped. But he's got a real ID. Yeah. He also, where's a good place to buy where's a good you mean know where a rent a place?
01:41:49
Speaker
Yeah. that You know, cover your bases, right? He learned from Luthen. Yeah. We were talking. I wasn't just here for no reason. We were talking about something. Mm hmm. Man Pacino would be pissed We'd find out like you You fucking had him You had him Like he'll never know Yeah Like how pissed would you be Well he had a real ID Motherfucker You didn't look at his face Oh I cut my ponytails Not me anymore Well he had glasses on They couldn't like sunglasses They couldn't Oh he didn't When they had him stopped He didn't but No, in the bank heist he did. Oh, but those cops... ah oh sure, but they know what he looks like. You could be handing out a picture of him. They have... Because they have his his jacket and everything. Plus, when they walked into the bank, even if they didn't, when they walked into the bank, they didn't have masks on.
01:42:32
Speaker
They walked in in suits looking like businessmen, and then they pulled down the masks pulled out the had all the cameras and everything shut off. Oh, that's right. They shut off the cameras. But still, they got him. Like, ah any mug shot or whatever. Just like, hey...
01:42:44
Speaker
he like Just imagine he doesn't have a ponytail. That's all I need from you. ah Vincent and the cops know where Wayne Grove is at this hotel, so they're watching that in case De Niro shows up because they're assuming he's going to.
01:42:55
Speaker
Um, this is where we have the blow up between de Niro and Edie. And we already kind of talked about, but yeah, they do end up making up. It's kind of weird, but he does give her like a little speech and then like pets are, I can't wait to see this guy on vacation. Like just in his sandals, Rob De Niro, Hawaiian board shorts, fishing pole, colored drink.
01:43:15
Speaker
Doesn't look right. um Meet the Fockers. Doesn't look right. um Even in Meet the Fockers, he's an ex-FBI agent. like He's still not cutting loose and shit. That's Dustin Hoffman. What's the one where kills somebody's pet peacock and makes it for dinner? Isn't that the other Meet the One or is that a different stupid movie? I've only seen the two. Oh, my dad is crazy or some shit like that. It doesn't matter. I had asked my husband, I was like, how fucking stoked would you be To know that you are, no, yeah that you get to make out with Robert De Niro.
01:43:49
Speaker
You're in a movie for a total of seven minutes. Oh, because Edie does make out with him. and yeah That's why she took the role. but Like the whole Michael Mann speech. She's like, yeah, he's like, you let me swing it. You get to make out with Bobby D.
01:44:02
Speaker
Fuck it. Sign me in. Maybe he can rub off some of that Godfather on me. That sounded different than I meant it to. Maybe he can he can give me some of that Ronin. No. Ronin, Ronout. We're going to go cruising. Nope.
01:44:16
Speaker
no That's Al Pacino. I fucked it up. You're the worst. cruising no He's an undercover cop that's going to like gay stuff and his the leather stuff. and Oh, really? Yeah, it's a good movie.
01:44:28
Speaker
Huh? Yeah. Don't watch it as a child. What are you doing? I will watch that. I will watch that as a now. Yeah, no, it's a good movie. But we we meet Xander Berkeley, who's playing Ralph. That's what we were talking about earlier. Ralph is the one that Pacino's wife is fucking.
Domestic Drama: Pacino's Wife and Ralph
01:44:40
Speaker
And she's like, I have to debase myself with Xander fucking Berkeley. ah You know what? He doesn't just spotting like fucking randomly yell. He doesn't spontaneously erupt in verbal things. And Xander Berkeley is a welcome back. Kind of. He was in the rock for about three seconds. He was one the scientists. Okay. He's in Terminator 2. He's the your step parents or your foster parents are dead. um Why is Wolfie barking?
01:45:07
Speaker
He's in a couple of the k Nick Cage movies I've watched for my Cage-a-thon. I think he was in 24 or something. Like, if it wasn't 24, it's another procedural type. Yeah. Shoot him up. It's funny because he keeps popping up in these Nick Cage movies. And like, so you guys are both just doing... Like, it's all this 2010 shit.
01:45:24
Speaker
Well, he's in Leaving Las Vegas. But he's ah he was in Butcher's Crossing, which is like a crazy western... Like the Buffalo one? Yeah. Yeah. And then he's in Seeking Justice, which is just one of those, like... You killed somebody thrillers that Nick Cage was doing there. Sometimes they just need make made for TV movies. Yeah. I mean, sometimes you just can't say no to money.
01:45:42
Speaker
Yeah. i'm not I'm not blaming him, dude. I mean, at least like Nick Cage may not be acting his ass off in those movies. It's usually pretty fun. Yeah. A lot times he's the only actor there. Right. Yeah. Oh, like in that fucking Western thing. Oh, yeah. The one I was talking like this. It's a brand, brand, brand new one. Gunslingers just came out, I think, in April.
01:46:03
Speaker
Oh, that doesn't sound familiar. um Yeah, there's a bunch of nobodies. It's got Sylvester Stallone's daughter. Oh, yeah she's pretty That's only other person who has a name that you would even know. no, that's not true. Stephen Dorff and Heather Graham are there. Heather Graham's kind of there.
01:46:18
Speaker
like Stephen Dorff. Stephen Dorff is kind of the main character, but he's barely acting. Nick Cage, though, he's doing this, talking like this the whole time. He's doing Saw Gerrera? Kind of, yeah. Yeah, I think his throat was cut at one point. Sit the fuck down.
01:46:31
Speaker
And he's talking in Bible quotes. Yeah. And he just keeps... There's a part where he's like trying to stop people from being hung, and he's just like... he's doing a jam he's like he's like oh lord lord keep it straight let's do it lord but like doing this raspy ass voice too i'm like he's he's good in that so that sounds like i want to watch it it sub trash but it is he is great i want to watch it ah But yeah, this is the part where like, you can bang my wife.
01:46:59
Speaker
You could do it in her ex-husband's postmodern house. Everything's calm. You can bang my wife. You can sit on her fucking sofa. And then you do not get to watch my TV. Mine.
01:47:09
Speaker
why tv My Mine. Mine. Mine. Whose TV is it? My machine. How's that helping? And then, yeah, when he's driving later, he does just kick. He's like, what the fuck am I driving around with this 13-inch TV for? Whitney said it earlier, like five hours ago when we started talking about this. ah like There's like a good group of guys sitting at the bus They all look like, if they if they do know they're in a movie, get these guys more roles. Yeah, no, the dude, you can see how he's like, is that fucking Pacino?
01:47:36
Speaker
When the door opens, he's like... Boom. TV gets kicked out. and He called a newspaper or something. He's like, hey, I got a story. Al Pacino kicked the TV at me.
01:47:47
Speaker
Oh, they were making a movie, sir. Oh, man. I'm in a movie? I'm in a movie? Yeah, they knew and they knew after because Michael Mann... Yeah, you have to sign You have to get signed up. If they knew, they're the best acting extras. Oh, I do like the line though Pacino has too because she's like, this is all your fault. He's like, you oh yeah, I made Ralph fuck you because it makes me feel good. yeah When he's driving away, one of the guys is like...
01:48:11
Speaker
fucking tv in the middle of let's go look at it oh this is we got to the part where deniro gets ed to forgive him and it's it's a kind of a good thing because he's basically like look i'm not holding you here like you can go now or you can come with me on your own like i'm not forcing you to come with me But there's no point in me going anywhere alone without you.
01:48:36
Speaker
And she's like, oh, there's no without you. The closest thing he's ever had to love is like, hey, I don't say this to everybody. I wouldn't walk away from you in 30 seconds. Turns out he's a liar. that's but Yeah. He wanted to come back.
01:48:50
Speaker
They're back at the police precinct. And this when Pacino's just like, well, fuck it. He's gone. He's in the wind. I'm going back to the hotel. Take a shower and sleep for a fucking month. Yeah, I felt this.
01:49:01
Speaker
like Let him sleep. I know he's not going to get it. Yeah. You just talked about wanting it. You're not going to get that now. You're about to have a fucking one crazy night, buddy. Again, ah reference he's in insomnia after this. Mm-hmm.
01:49:16
Speaker
That's De Niro, isn't it? No. No, that is Pacino. You're right. It's been a long time. It's a Chris Nolan I need to revisit.
01:49:24
Speaker
Anyway, um when he gets to the hotel, though, you see a bunch of water coming out of the bathroom. And I forgot all this. What a great detective.
Natalie Portman's Character's Crisis
01:49:34
Speaker
I forgot all about this. So i was like, who the fuck is there? He left his wife. And the doors open. Yeah. The balcony. That's my thing. Like, you've seen me sweep my house when something feels out of place. Yes. If I come home, my back door is open.
01:49:46
Speaker
we're getting We're going guns akimbo. he He's like, I need you to stand right here. I don't do it all the time. It's just sometimes something feels off. I got a little hair in front of my door.
01:49:57
Speaker
The penny I put on top of my door is on the ground now. It's heads down, too.
01:50:02
Speaker
But yeah, it's Natalie Portman. She cut her, not her wrists, her everything. She's got cuts on her legs. She's got shit up here. Artery up here and inner thigh.
01:50:13
Speaker
Yeah. and he takes her to the hospital and reconnects with his wife. And it's sweet. And it is sweet. But he also she gets paged. He's not going to stay with her, though. And he knows because she even says, like, can we work on this? He's like, I'm not what you want.
01:50:26
Speaker
Yeah. This life isn't what you want. like But I'll stay in her life. Yeah. Like you want someone to share with you. Because he says, like, yeah, we can try. But why? We know exactly where it's going to end up And then the line I've been saying about him, like, I am what I hunt.
01:50:39
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. um But she is going to survive. Don't worry. Natalie Portman didn't die. She survived long enough to do all those prequels. Yeah. And then she got real buff. And I'm pretty sure that he would like his character would still be a father in her life. I believe that. He would still go and pick her up because dipshit dad.
Absentee Fathers and Character Motivations
01:50:57
Speaker
Doesn't know how to a kid. believe whatever whatever house he ends up at, she'll have a key to it. Well, and you know that her dad is really fucked up because this character is never around. He's always busy with work. And she's like, this is my dad.
01:51:10
Speaker
yeah He's a better dad and he's never here either. yeah He's here more. When he's like, are you going to call her father? Can he be here? And she's like, he's in the Sierras. Yeah. Like, was he ever fucking there? Did you tell your daughter that you don't waste your breath? He's not coming.
01:51:25
Speaker
Just tell your daughter he died. Yeah. Good call. Follow me for more parenting tips. Neil's on his way out of town, De Niro, and Jon Voight calls him and he's like, hey, ah by the way, I do know where Waingrove is if you're still interested. And he's like, no, I'm not. He's like I didn't think you would be, but you told me to look. Shouldn't have fucking done it. No, he...
01:51:44
Speaker
You don't, you do this. This is such a long sequence. Cause you, you, you just feel the tension building. Cause it's like show De Niro show Edie show De Niro show Edie so long. And then it's just like, and, uh,
01:51:58
Speaker
i path to do it man and ah No, I was saying like Voight shouldn't have told him. No, I understand. When De Niro's like, no, I don't want to. Then he's like, all right, cool.
01:52:10
Speaker
Go to your flight plan. Well, no, he told him he started with Wayne Grove is at this hotel if you still care. And he told him right up He said, i i only did this because you asked me to. Yeah. Like you told me no matter what to tell.
01:52:23
Speaker
you know I think with Robert De Niro's character being so fucking methodical and precise that when he tells you... Let me know. You do. Yeah.
Revenge and Consequences
01:52:32
Speaker
Because you don't want this guy to do is come back. Come back. For you. Bora Bora and be like, whoa, Wangro's still here and alive, huh? It was New Zealand and Fiji.
01:52:41
Speaker
Who knows? And this is never know. You never know. No way of knowing. Isn't even about. um like cleaning up loose ends or anything so much as it's just a revenge because all all of his best friends are dead you literally killed Danny Trejo yeah and you killed Anna well and he assumes Chris is going to be arrested because they told right because John Voight told him Chris is going back to Charlene and he's like well that's that then yeah i lost him so you you fucked up everything I'm the only one getting away
01:53:11
Speaker
Yeah.
Clever Elevator Trick
01:53:12
Speaker
So he sneaks up there like he he eyeballs the cop that's at the front desk pretending to be a hotel guy. So he knows they're there. He does that this really fucking cool elevator trick, which I never would have thought of.
01:53:23
Speaker
It wouldn't work today. Pops the elevator open, sets the sets off the fire alarm. So all the elevators go to the bottom floor because you're not supposed to use the elevators. Right. And that one can't move. that one can't move I like it. I think it's a cool idea. ah The elevators don't do that anymore because the doors would just keep opening and closing and it would set off alarms.
01:53:41
Speaker
Yeah. but But it worked then. It did work then in 95. Yeah, he busts in there and just fucking marks this dude. Oh, yeah. There's not. There's a little bit of talking, but there's not much. So you you know the talking. Look at me.
01:53:55
Speaker
Look at me. and He's like, hey, look at me. And he looks He looks because he has that shame. Like, i fucking ratted. Oh, no. He looks up at him. He's like, boom. Yeah. in ah In the fucking chest. and the Double tap in the same fucking. He shot him in the eye too, which you see when he's leaving. You didn't don't see him shoot him.
Tense Confrontation and Shooting
01:54:12
Speaker
But when he's leaving and they show Wayne Grove's body sitting there, his eye is gone and there's just blood running down his face. He hits him in the chest first. He's like, that might kill you. This is gonna kill you. Because he does a double tap and then a third. Yep.
01:54:27
Speaker
Chest, chest. I see. Of course, Vincent gets paged. and That's when he leaves the hospital and all the cops show up here and it's fucking mayhem. Right. Yeah. Like ah chaos. So you go under the guise of chaos. Yeah.
01:54:41
Speaker
But la running Vincent doesn't know who Edie is, but he spots the one person who's not panicking, which is her sitting in the car. And who's looking around waiting for somebody. Yeah, exactly. So he's going for that.
Escape Amidst Chaos
01:54:52
Speaker
De Niro comes out, spots Vincent.
01:54:55
Speaker
and it's the this is where amy breneman does the best job yeah though because he looks at her and she's like hey what's up and then he looks over at vincent and he's like well he starts to walk away and she gets out she has this this is like the best look of what the fuck just happened like she does a great job without saying any words yeah like this is great she's just not easy to do holy shit dude i knew that guy was a piece of shit but he talked me into forgiving him and What the fuck?
01:55:22
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, to be fair, it's probably better for her that he left. to be fair but it is like she's gonna have a better life well probably because there's money in that car get the hell out of here with presumably like four million five million dollars yeah was they said it was 12 ish million dollars in the bank ah so but like yeah it's because if he would have gone with her then she would have been involved in this pursuit also so she probably would have gotten killed or arrested yeah yeah
Airport Showdown: Conflict and Respect
01:55:50
Speaker
so he saved her life But yeah, Vincent chases him through the airport and it is a long scene, but it's just a really effective airport means outside.
01:56:00
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. It's the airfield. Yeah. Like this this entire segment you're about to go into. And like it's a, you know, we'll go cut through most of it. But it's the last part where there's like these transformers.
01:56:12
Speaker
Yeah. These big electrical box things out there. Autobots watch this there's two fucking giants of cinema fighting it out right now one thing I didn't notice behind my ball when a plane is ah when a plane is coming to land all the runway lights turn on and then it cat like lights up the whole field oh and then after the plane lands they shut off that I said that for a reason Yeah. And I love when it gets to this point, though, because like they they know there's nowhere else around the middle. There's nowhere else for dinner to go because there's a fence there and then it's just open field.
01:56:45
Speaker
So it's like I know he's here. So he's coming around this way and De Niro is going around this way. And yeah, it's just a circle around the thing. But De Niro tries to come out as soon as a plane comes in. Lights De Niro has him dead to rights. Yeah.
01:56:59
Speaker
Except for that plane come with a shadow and he just fucking turns. Boop. Yep. No hesitation. Sorry, his gun made a better noise than booop boop. Boop. ah Boop. This is the most realistic sounding gun movie ever. Boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. Michael Mann worked really hard on this. Kapow, kapow.
01:57:15
Speaker
Bang, bang. Squack, squack, squack, squack. Squack, squack, squack, squack, squ
01:57:20
Speaker
but That was a grenade. He lays there. he lays there dying. And he's like, I told you I wouldn't go back. It is a it is then the sweet moment of like, he's like, I just kind of don't let
Reflections on 'Heat'
01:57:30
Speaker
me die. ah Like, don't let me die alone. Yeah. Like, I know we're on opposite teams, but we're the same person. Yeah. Hold my hand, buddy. Yep.
01:57:37
Speaker
He's like, ah it's kind of gay, but I'll do it. That's the end of heat. It was also like, like credits up, but that was probably like a lot of fun working with you, buddy.
01:57:48
Speaker
Yeah, I guess so too. Like, I mean, cause it is De Niro's never didn't talk about it except for what normal life is to me. He's also in it for that, for that, for this game.
01:57:59
Speaker
Yeah. You know, and he like I think he likes beating cops. Yeah. You know, it's just his thing is like, I win. Yeah. So this was just that damn fun game. The best chess game, but chess match ever.
01:58:12
Speaker
Fun game. I usually end up going last, so I'll go first. Give everybody else a chance to your recommendation. But also, you guys know what I'm going to say. So, yeah, i recommend it. Yeah. Three thumbs up. Yeah. It's really fucking long, but it doesn't feel that long.
01:58:25
Speaker
I mean, you It's one of those movies where you're watching it and you know it's three hours long, but you're not watching it. and and like, ah what was that? The Last Night Transformers. Yeah. Where I was like, oh, this has got to be the end. I've been watching it for almost three hours. twice before I watch, like in a row. I mean, I will back to back this before I watch that ever again. Yeah, because that one, it was like, this has got to be almost over.
01:58:43
Speaker
Pause. I'm only an hour in. All right, here's the two hour and 20 minute movie left after this. Here's the difference. Last night, ugh, there's another movie left. Heat. Ooh, there's another movie left. Yeah. It makes all the difference. There's so much more going on. I'll let you go next.
01:58:56
Speaker
um I fully recommend it. It is a five-star movie. The three hours does make it that I don't rewatch it as much as I would like to. Yeah. But other than that, man, I mean, that's such a minor fucking gripe. I just get surround sound on this.
01:59:11
Speaker
If you got griped, if you have somebody with surround sound, watch it there because it's, yeah, like that's, I was just like, crank this shit up. I ain't got no roommate. So yeah, I got nothing else to say about it.
01:59:24
Speaker
ah We didn't have Zoe. This was my first time ever saying this. First time ever seen this? She's never seen any good movies. This is my first time. All she's ever seen is whatever romantic comedy bullshit she brings up all the time. I want one of your parents on this podcast so i can just berate them.
01:59:41
Speaker
I was probably grounded and not allowed to watch TV. right fuck they don't do have They don't have blockbusters in Iowa. You know, it's fair though, because a lot of people are going to look at it and go, that's probably really good, but it's three hours long. Right.
01:59:53
Speaker
which is i' been No, my parents definitely watched this and loved this movie. I'm just saying, i would if this was 95, I was either grounded or I was on the out in my bedroom on the phone talking to friends. Yeah. like I mean, that's fine. I'm not watching a movie with my friends.
02:00:07
Speaker
So, um
Detailed Movie Reviews
02:00:10
Speaker
five five stars, three thumbs. This movie holds up. Damn. Like this movie holds the fuck up. Yeah. um ah Again, first time seeing it and I was in it.
02:00:21
Speaker
i i have zero qualms with any of it, even the length. Like, yeah, we pause it. I'm like, shit, we've only like you. You're in an hour and a half and you still have another hour, but you have so much information and that's going on.
02:00:38
Speaker
but you're following everything perfectly. It's just absolute one. And then to have them both talking to each other, that that might be the best scene in the movie, the least amount of gunplay.
02:00:49
Speaker
Hands down. And if you have a three hour movie where you're using and it's I keep saying three, out it's in one hundred and seventy minutes. You're utilizing everything properly. That three hours. Yeah, is everything in that three hours is necessary. There's a lot two or three hour movies where you're like, well, you could have cut that and that and that. And it could have been ten, fifteen minutes shorter.
02:01:06
Speaker
The only thing I could think that you could cut and it would shorten it to two hours and 45 minutes. The suicide attempt? No, because I think that's... speak it's It speaks a lot to Pacino's character. Yeah.
02:01:18
Speaker
But... There's a couple times when you have really long shots, especially with the wives and girlfriends, like watching them walk away in like a really long shot. You can cut the the Wangro serial rapist scene.
02:01:30
Speaker
seen Yeah. Like that's it because it doesn't end up being anything. It just makes you think he's shitty, but we already. powerful scene because you see Pacino hugging the mom and stuff. So it's it's i guess's not a save the cat moment. Dude, my eyes cried on that. I'm sure you got a daughter. Like, that I bet.
02:01:45
Speaker
But... Yeah, it's tough to cut. it's like I'm trying to think what they cut for the TV and it's probably those two scenes. Do you think it was gunplay? I'm thinking it was the suicide attempt with Natalie Portman or the the hooker murder.
02:02:02
Speaker
That's what I feel NBC would cut out. I guess you could cut the murder and the suicide attempt if you want to clean it up. But again, I don't mind the length except when it comes to trying to rewatch. I have been trying to, before Derek put it up on the docket, I was trying to rewatch it with bleeps not too long ago.
02:02:19
Speaker
And it
Upcoming Episodes and Patreon Content
02:02:20
Speaker
just, the timing never worked out. Like, well, it's already 1030. That's part of the reason we're doing, that we've done all these out of order. That's why we didn't watch it last night. Yeah. Because...
02:02:30
Speaker
We did Whitney's movie, which was last week, and we already recorded your movie, which is next week, because it was like, well, it fits into the schedule better. We have to watch a three-hour thing and then talk for like two hours least. You have to set aside six hours just in case. Yeah, exactly.
02:02:45
Speaker
I think we did fairly good. yeah We did all right. so Speaking of that next week's, I don't think we did. ah Since I stopped it, I can't see our full time. It's not even funny. I'm looking at a clock. like It's fine. Speaking of next week's episode, next week we have Jack's mental health pick, o which is bedazzled.
02:03:02
Speaker
with Somebody's had tea mini martoonies. With Brendan Fraser and Elizabeth Hurley. Elizabeth Hurley. Yeah. I kept thinking Elizabeth Banks and I was like, nope, that's not it.
02:03:13
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And it's Orlando Jones, not Orlando Bloom. That I did remember. um And that one you can watch. It's not streaming streaming, but it's available to rent on Amazon or Apple for $4 and buy for $15. I think at the time of our recording, I ended up buying it for $4.99. I think you did. Okay. I just looked on Just Watch.
02:03:33
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they don't usually They don't always have the Apple or the Amazon sales on there. So check it out on there. 15 is too much to buy digitally. We've talked about that. Four is not. Yeah. And then, of course, we have our Patreon. Patreon.com slash worst people where you can get so much more bad movies and worst people content. What's episode on Patreon this month? Are we getting back to Cop Rock?
02:03:51
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We are getting back to Cop Rock. Fuck yeah, I love Cop Rock. QVids this month. We're talking about the episode five of Cop Rock, The Cocaine Mutiny, which seems like it's last month's episode. We recorded it a weeks ago.
02:04:04
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Let's overthrow the captain. Yeah. But yeah, that's going to be up there. And of course, you guys know you can watch that on YouTube or you can buy those Sweet Shout Factory DVDs. Worth And then the mental health movie was chosen by our patrons.
02:04:19
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We had a bunch of suggestions and we did a little spinny wheel. And we ended up with The Goonies from 1985.
02:04:26
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recommended by Drew one of our loyal patrons and that's available right now on AMC plus and then again you can rent it on Amazon or Apple for four buy it for 15 there's there's Blu-rays and 4K's out there sure you can find it yeah just watch TBS for while was about to say turn on TBS for a week just you wait pal and then don't forget about the collateral drawing for the 4K digital download code definitely so send me an email or comment on social media send an email Don't always comment on the episode because depending on your app, I might
Humorous Episode Wrap-Up
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not see it.
02:05:00
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So kind send an email or comment on our social media. But that's it for this week. I've been Derek. I'm married to him. I've got a great ass.
02:05:11
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I told you, I'm never going back. You did Pacino doing the New York. Yeah, I know what I did. I told you, I'm never going back. Hey, hey, hey, hey. i don't How going to slide stone, too?
02:05:23
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I told you, I'm never going back. Hey, I'm not going back to back unless you're pooping.
Playful TED Talk Banter
02:05:48
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Hi guys. How
02:05:55
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are you?
02:06:11
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guys
02:06:14
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how are you
02:06:18
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and We're here our TED Talk today. This ain't no fucking TED Talk. This here is a TED shout. A TED shout? Have you tried turning it off and on again?
02:06:32
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Did you unplug it and plug it back in? don't want to sound like I'm an idiot, but if you tried to make sure that there's power to the thing? I'm just doing my job. Don't bust my balls. you have the input and the output?
02:06:46
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Been there. it Was it your output that got input? I don't know. You don't know. don't remember.