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HTSF Ep 34: The Mandalorian Ch 16 - The Rescue
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In The Mandalorian Chapter 16, The Rescue, Mando leads a daring assault on Moff Gideon’s cruiser to save Grogu, teaming up with Bo-Katan, Cara Dune, Fennec Shand, and Koska Reeves. After an intense showdown, Mando defeats Gideon in combat—accidentally winning the Darksaber and Bo-Katan’s side-eye in the process. Just as things look dire with Dark Troopers closing in, the Luke Skywalker arrives to mow them down like it’s 1983 again. The episode ends with a tearful goodbye as Mando removes his helmet so Grogu can see his face, giving Star Wars fans everywhere a collective emotional meltdown.
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Transcript
Final Episode Announcement
00:00:37
Speaker
welcome back to hantuk shots first for the final episode of season two of the mandalorian chapter 16 the rescue who could that be i don't know i think it might be plocoon it could be plocoon not with like green lights here but it could be plocoon ah Well, you know, they thought he died, so he had to get a new lightsaber, and it was green because his blue one broke?
00:01:03
Speaker
Was it blue? Yellow? It's that orange-yellow. More yellow than orange. Not like Balin's skull. All right. I don't know. Did we ever see him use a lightsaber?
00:01:14
Speaker
ah Yeah, i believe in g and in the Geonosian pits. Oh, yeah, when they when they were all like, hey, let's get the jump on these guys by running out into the open. But that just proves that the Jedi shouldn't have been leaders in charge of a fucking an army.
00:01:30
Speaker
All the clones like, they're going to get us killed out there. They told us to jump into the pit and just get surrounded by them. don't think it's a good idea, but a good soldier follows orders. Yeah. So yes, this, oh, first things first, real quick.
00:01:43
Speaker
This is the last episode that will be on the Han Took Shots first feed. I know I've been getting it in for the last few episodes. tired of hearing about it. Yeah, just to remind you guys, go follow Bad Movies, Worst People. We're not stopping the show. We're just moving the home.
00:01:57
Speaker
We're going to keep all of our Worst People productions, podcasts in one sweet, cozy little home where they can live together like the Big Brother house. It's like polyamorous. It's pottyamorous.
00:02:09
Speaker
Yes, it's potty amorous, although that sounds bad. Yeah, that sounds that sounds where like you just let a lot of people pee on you. so I'm a toilet for more than one person.
00:02:25
Speaker
But yes, this is the second to last time I'll say it because I'm going to say it again at the end of the episode.
Secrecy of Luke Skywalker's Appearance
00:02:31
Speaker
um But yeah, so as we all know this is the episode where Luke Skywalker comes back.
00:02:36
Speaker
But we didn't know. We did not know that. But they were trying so hard to hide it. Like, I know we talked about, like, my joke there, that he had said that it was going to be Plo Koon. It was Plo Koon in the scripts. That's what people were told.
00:02:48
Speaker
And do you know that that is Dave Filoni's favorite Jedi? Yeah, yeah. You had mentioned that early on, probably when we were talking about him in the prequels the beginning the show. But... um I actually read that even in the rough because they have this body double person there and they in the rough cut version where they had the not final graphics on him, even in that they had like a rough plocoon head put on the body. So even at that point, they didn't want people to know other than the people who were in the room.
00:03:21
Speaker
And I know that they had Mark Hamill there. And I don't think they needed to do this, but I do appreciate they did this. They had Mark Hamill there to block it out. So the the body double got to look at what Mark Hamill was doing.
00:03:33
Speaker
Like, here's how I would do it, kid. You know, kind of, that too Harrison Ford. Yeah. But... That's kind of where he's at now. But he ah he blocked it out. was like, here's how I would do it. I would approach it this way. you know it's the Not the fight scene, but the getting off the elevator with the lightsaber out and then putting it on his hilt.
00:03:51
Speaker
Mark Hamill did that first. This guy fucking copied it. So to hide the fact that they were having Mark Hamill on set and on payroll, they had him voice a droid early on in this series.
00:04:02
Speaker
ah He's the bartender joy. We talked about Evie 99 or something like that. So that's how they I think that's how they were one another way they were trying to hide it. Like, oh, we got Mark Hamill on the script on the payroll today.
00:04:14
Speaker
Oh, they're probably having him voice another droid. OK, that makes sense, because this was well-kept secret in an era of really hard times to keep secrets. Yeah.
00:04:25
Speaker
And I guess when they filmed the stuff where he was on set during this, like it was skeleton crew. it was as few people as they could have there to make it. So we didn't talk about this when Grogu went to that seer stone.
00:04:40
Speaker
But I remember watching that episode as it came out and. Star Wars is at its best when there's mysteries. So this was like everybody's blown up text threads that I'm on like, dude, who is he reaching out to?
00:04:53
Speaker
Let's put our heads together and figure out who's still out there. You know, go into the comics, go into the fucking um cartoons. Let's figure out who this could be. So for me, this was a really, really excellent time in Star Wars.
00:05:07
Speaker
We know that someone's going to show up at some point in this fucking series, not this episode, maybe. But you knew someone was going to show up. And I was so happy texting with like people that I don't like. My brother and I, we we love each other to death. We don't have a lot in common.
00:05:22
Speaker
But when it comes to like our Star Wars and our Marvel talks, that's where we fucking shine as as ah brothers. So this was him like hitting me up, me bouncing ideas back. Love that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's cool because it's, you know, obviously i I feel like a lot of people's first thought is like, well, Luke Skywalker, he's running around doing stuff. But then it's like, no, that's too obvious because, you know, it's Luke Skywalker. And it's like, this is Dave Filoni.
00:05:47
Speaker
Exactly. So he's got all these people. He knows every single one that's still running around out there. That's why I thought it wouldn't be Luke. I'm like, look, dude, we've got like we know it's not Ahsoka because she's one that sent him to that place. But now I'm thinking of like some of the cartoon characters and shit. But yeah, like I thought Dave Filoni is not going to go with Luke.
00:06:06
Speaker
He's going to go with some character that Derek's never heard of, heard the name of, but maybe Solomon Battle. Well, and it but it does make sense because this is when Voss. Well, this is when he's establishing his Jedi training academy.
00:06:21
Speaker
So it makes perfect sense that he would be the one. I mean, I guess he didn't have anybody working for him. me i was like, maybe it doesn't make sense that he's the one he could send someone else. But from what we the little bit we saw in the sequel movies, it was pretty much just him.
00:06:35
Speaker
With a bunch of babies. and cut to yeah And cut to the end of this when like we find out that the the whole stone thing, they were talking back and forth. Because Luke Skywalker knows the whole situation.
00:06:49
Speaker
So I think he knew this is somebody important enough. Also, it's the second, no, sorry, third. No, he didn't get to meet Yaddle. It's the second of this species you've ever seen. And Luke Skywalker has traveled this galaxy.
00:07:01
Speaker
So he's like, yeah this this is this could be Yoda's fucking baby for all I know. i mean, and maybe. I'm just saying. like we don't We don't know what Yoda was doing up in that fucking ah council room when everybody left. He's like, stay behind.
00:07:17
Speaker
Yaddle, we have talk. Talk we have. Sorry, work not well. Tired from last night sleeping? I did not. Came twice already?
00:07:28
Speaker
Come see new shower you will.
00:07:32
Speaker
But yeah, I mean, just imagine that. Imagine being a Jedi who was trained by Yoda and then never seeing another Yodel or yeah, we call them Yodels. Never seen another Yodel until you see this one. Like, got to get there.
00:07:46
Speaker
I mean, in the last Jedi trained by Yoda. Yeah. ah Yeah. Like you saw him die and now you get to see what he looked like as a baby. Is it weird? Yeah, probably.
00:07:56
Speaker
Probably. i mean, for all he knows, cause he doesn't know the age this could be a reincarnation. Yeah. But he doesn't know. we don't know what he I do find it funny. ah do find it funny cause we know that he goes with him that in before this show came out episode seven force awakens. He says like Ben was his first student.
00:08:18
Speaker
Not true. Well, I mean, he kind of gives up on this kid pretty quick. So, yeah. So you're just you should be like he was my first student that stayed. All right, buddy.
00:08:29
Speaker
Call like it is. You fucked up as a teacher. He was the first student who got a report card. All right. He was my first graduated student. What was that first word?
00:08:41
Speaker
Yes, this one aired December 18th, 2020. So Merry Christmas.
Emmy Awards and Stunt Techniques
00:08:46
Speaker
ah Directed by Peyton Reed. Happy Life Day. And written by Jon Favreau. ah Two more Emmys for this episode. Fuck yeah.
00:08:55
Speaker
Emmy for outstanding music composition and for outstanding stunt performance. Oh, what's the stunt performance? I wonder. I don't know. They don't say specifically. I wonder if it's the dark troopers, because those are people in a lot of the blocking shots. Obviously not every shot they did CG, but I know from the ah ah behind the scenes, there's a, anybody that doesn't know this for season one of Mandalorian, there's a really awesome ah gallery. It's called where goes through almost each episode.
00:09:25
Speaker
For the season two, it's one episode of of the behind the scenes making a Mando. And this they talk about where they have the where the dark troopers start punching the door. Those are guys trying to sync up perfectly because that was easier to block.
00:09:39
Speaker
I mean, yes, they throw CG over it, but it's it's you got people there blocking when they land. And it's like eight of them marching. That is eight people blocking that out. Oh, that's cool.
00:09:51
Speaker
Because I did notice some of the CG on these guys. Like, there's parts where I thought, like, that could be a dude. But then it's, like, the way they move at certain points. Like, their with the way their bodies turn and stuff. it's like, well, that's robotic. That's not human. like Because, like, the whole body turns and then the head turns kind of thing. like Right.
00:10:09
Speaker
But yeah, you can just layer it in there. Yeah. You got to walk around in green pajamas, basically. hmm. And it's what we talk about on our main feed, which this is all going to go to anyway. So you might as well get used to it. um we just You can use CG to help accentuate. Just don't replace people.
00:10:25
Speaker
It's all we've ever wanted. Yeah. Yes. Use it to assist your stunts and assist your special effects. Don't make it your stunts and make it your special effects. Yeah. It's like cocaine. You don't just do cocaine on its own and then hang out. No, you have about 10 to 15 beers and then you use cocaine to enhance that that moment.
00:10:46
Speaker
Perfect. Perfect. I think I nailed that analogy.
00:10:53
Speaker
People that don't know, I have not done cocaine in years, years, years, years. years years I don't know. We all live in Arizona and everything's always flying around and we're always sitting on the podcast like, yeah, and up so people probably think we're just fucking yacked out all the time. but Also, the fact that I never shut up.
00:11:11
Speaker
like That's just my ADHD, man. ah The reason I smoke so much weed is try and calm that down and be a little human. Not like small. don't want to be shorter. A little human. You want to be Grogu-sized.
00:11:22
Speaker
i'm trying Hold like I got to smoke some weed. I'm trying to be a little human. Oh, much better.
00:11:28
Speaker
I can't wait to be an Ewok. Oh, God. So, yeah. This one starts, the slave one is...
00:11:37
Speaker
The slave one is pursuing ah this Lambda class shuttle. Did you know that? I remembered it. Yeah. OK. All right. good Good. You're getting there. I love this. it's That's actually time my life.
00:11:49
Speaker
ah For those who listen to the last episode and I talked about messaging with one of our patrons, Brian, that was one thing I said to him. I was like, well, it started out as super fan Jack and normal person me who's like a casual fan.
00:12:00
Speaker
It's like, but the problem is the longer we go on, the more I'm saying words that I don't shouldn't know. Yeah. and Yeah. It's kind of invited me to an Eldinian Minoc roast. And I was like, whoa, excellent, Derek. Are we going to use pod racer engines or what?
00:12:14
Speaker
Which, by the way, this might be the most Star Wars slang episode ever. Oh, really? I didn't even i don't even i think I've stopped noticing. It is beyond. Maybe it was last episode a little bit, too. I watched them both together, obviously, but so maybe it's a combination. But like there's there's always some skank in the scud pie.
00:12:32
Speaker
Dank Farrak, I'm just trying to get a carabast of a dick. I counted like four or five of them. that's like If you are not aware this is Star Wars, it just holds you hard.
00:12:45
Speaker
It's not quite as much as ah Chapter 9. ah The Marshall, but it's getting there. and marshall Sometimes the sun two suns rise on the ass of a womp rat or whatever the fuck he says. Yeah, it also doesn't hurt this Timothy Oliphant saying it, which is why you remember it.
00:13:04
Speaker
Yeah, he's he's chasing down this shuttle, disables it with an ion cannon. they They go on to take Pershing and the pilots grab him and take him hostage. I love that this co-pilot dude is just like, fucking take him. I don't give a shit. Well, first, Pershing, before that, Pershing's like, should we fight? Get ready to fight? And like, i don't have a fucking death wish. Do you? Like, they're pirates.
00:13:22
Speaker
No, we'll give them what they we would they want and we'll they'll leave us alone. But then, yes, they realize that they're there for Pershing. The co-pilot, yep, okay. Take him. fucking take him i don't care. And this other dude just fucking blasts him.
00:13:35
Speaker
um And this this is the guy here. He's got the great because this is actually the first time. and it's one of those things i don't even think about being the first time. But like this is the first time someone I think um especially definitely on the Empire side, maybe in general in Star Wars has referenced how many millions of people died on the two Death Stars.
00:13:57
Speaker
OK, but and because I don't I don't think anything of it because of ah clerks. Right. Of course, as you live your life. Because he starts out, he's like, I was on the Death Star, and Caratune's like, which one?
00:14:10
Speaker
He's like, oh, you think you're fucking funny? like but But before he did that, he was like, oh, your precious little Alderaan's gone. I'm going to make you feel so bad that you're going wish you were never escaped Alderaan.
00:14:22
Speaker
Yeah, your planet's gone. I was there. I was on the Death Star. And that's when she's like, which It's like, it's not funny. Millions died. You just made fun of her blowing up her planet. You were just bragging about blowing up an entire planet, not a moon-sized space station, motherfucker.
00:14:36
Speaker
People might not like this, but it's very reflective of our our current, and I don't mean right now, I mean this last 20 years or so of... yeah our current political thing because
Empire's Justification of Alderaan's Destruction
00:14:45
Speaker
he's like, well, destroying your planet was a small price to pay to rid the galaxy of terrorism.
00:14:50
Speaker
yeah and He says terrorism with such like vitriol. Like it's just like terrorism. I mean, we're not taking sides here, but it is that it's it's this two diametrically opposed opinions that will never get along. And they're not going dialogue because as soon as you say one thing, they're offended. And you go and say the the worst thing is it's not offensive.
00:15:08
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. And i she just fucking blasts this dude. And I mean, this blaster bolt is inches from Pershing's face. I don't think she cares. i really don't think she cares. She's like, look, I know you need Pershing.
00:15:22
Speaker
I kind of don't. And oh, and she he comments on her. the It's the rebellion symbol, I believe, like the phoenix. But he calls it. I saw the tears. That's where it's like the Alderaanian tear.
00:15:35
Speaker
Yeah, you've talked about that before, the tear of Alderaan. And I think this is why I knew that, because of this fucking cunt. But yeah, like she blasts him, and mando Mando just kind of looks at her like, bro, that was awfully close to our only lead on... I'm trying to get the baby back.
00:15:54
Speaker
I want my baby back, baby back, baby back, okay? Grogu's baby Gideon's gonna get boarded Noxos Wait was Mando there was it somebody else that gave her look Cause Mando and Boba Fett go and meet I watched this a few days ago so I'm not super fresh Cause right after this Mando and Boba Fett Go and meet Bo-Katan On like Smokestack Planet Smokestack Lightning Did they grab the Lambda shuttle And then go there or was he doing that separately Okay
00:16:27
Speaker
I think so. Well, Boba Fett and Mando are there. so Okay, that's that's why i was confused. I was just like, did they do that separately? it's fine. Because I love this back and forth that Boba Fett has here, dude. yeah as One of them, just I think it's the the sexy wrestler girl.
00:16:41
Speaker
She's like, you're not fucking a Mandalorian. Oh, no, it's Bo-Katan. She's like, you're no Mandalorian. He's like, never said I was. Yeah. And it doesn't mean that she doesn't consider Django a Mandalore because then she later says, you're a disgrace to your armor.
00:16:54
Speaker
So I think yeah and when he says it's my father's armor, it's like, you mean your donor? So I think her big problem is that you're a clone, not that you're... A fat.
00:17:04
Speaker
And I think she's specifically thinking of like the clone troopers. She's obviously not everybody in this galaxy is a privy to all the information we are.
Mandalorian Culture Debate
00:17:13
Speaker
Right. So not not knowing that he was different. He was made different. He was raised different.
00:17:17
Speaker
He's. He's not just a clone trooper. There's also a general consensus of that the clones are lifeless and are soulless. Obi-Wan saw them as an extension of the force. He was one of the very few. A lot of the other Jedi were just like, no, no, they're they don't have souls, so we can throw them at battle.
00:17:35
Speaker
So she might be under the same thought process, like, you're a fucking clone, dude. You're not a real you're not a real anything. When she says something about going to Mandalore, and that's when Boba pushes it over the edge, because he's like, are you kidding? It's glass. like She's like, fuck you, man. like That's my home.
00:17:54
Speaker
And I love the little... Oh, she even has a fucking jibe. She's like, you don't know me. He says to her, you don't know me. She's like, honey, I've heard your voice a thousand times.
00:18:05
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And then, ah what's her, Cosca, Cosca Reeve, the the wrestler girl. Yeah. She attacks Boba Fett. They have a little bit of a fight, but Mando breaks it up with a flamethrower. We're not going to talk about the end the fact they end with dueling flamethrowers.
00:18:22
Speaker
That's pretty cool. That's rad. That's fucking rad, dude. They each get good like hits in to the point that they're shattering tables. She has a really fucking dope move and i know the actress is a wrestler.
00:18:34
Speaker
So she does this dope ass move, which like does her jet pack while she's holding onto his head, runs up a wall and throws him across the room like Yeah, using that jetpack for fighting.
00:18:44
Speaker
There was something in the trivia, and I didn't write it down because I don't want to give these people too much credit, but it was something about her using her finisher. She uses some wrestling moves, and like the head grab and stuff was like some certain kind, of like a tornado DDT or something like that. So she's doing wrestling shit.
00:19:00
Speaker
With a jetpack. With a jetpack. So that's cool. Makes it better. Mando's like, fuck, I really got to practice. i don't know I didn't know you could do all that.
00:19:10
Speaker
But Bo-Katan does agree to help them retrieve Grogu. But if you do, if we do, you have to help us. Also, I need the Darksaber. So yeah help us help us get Gideon and the Darksaber. Oh, she changes her tune because she's like, not doing that.
00:19:26
Speaker
I have other things to do. And he's like, I got to get to Gideon. She's like, I can't get to Gideon. I know where he is. You can bring me to Gideon. Leave with that next time. We're off. Yeah, and this is when they're heading there and he's they're going over the schematics of the ship. And it's like, well, it used to have hundreds of people. now they only have a fraction of them because they're remnant.
00:19:43
Speaker
But Pershing tells them about... the The dark troopers are these are what you were talking about before when we talked about these guys. there They're third gen. They're not suits. They're robots or droids. The human was the weakness.
00:19:56
Speaker
And so their whole thing their whole thing is like, let's get in there. We'll stage this attack. We'll crash land in the um launch the deck, the the launch tube, whatever. it's so Yeah, the the forward launch.
00:20:11
Speaker
Yeah. And and we'll act as a distraction for Mando so he can go in and do his shit. So they go out there and that's exactly what they do. Boba Fett is chasing the Lambda shuttle. She's like, hey, make it look real. And he's like, yeah, don't worry about a bitch.
00:20:25
Speaker
Yeah. like There is a little bit of a switch, though, because he does it. He's like, put your shields up, princess. I'll make it convincing. But then they go into like the. All right. Just, you know, watch out for those turrets.
00:20:37
Speaker
Don't worry about me. You just be safe in there. Oh, OK. We're friends now. No, yeah, he just, he he was he was, he's in for the mission because he has his, like, blood debt to, or debt. He's this samurai sense of um honor out of nowhere, and I'm okay with it.
00:20:52
Speaker
I just would like a little. Well, he's had it since we introduced him here, at least. I mean, it's just something it that he developed over the years because when he when he told Mando, like, we're in your debt until you get the kid back because you helped us.
00:21:05
Speaker
And that's what this comes down to. He's like, I'm going to do what i need to do to help the kid, but I'm also going to enjoy shooting at you. Yeah. Because you pissed me off. Yeah. I like shooting at you, princess.
00:21:17
Speaker
He does keep calling her princess, and it does sound derogatory. i mean, she is a princess. I know, but he's not saying it with a capital P.
Critique of Design and CGI
00:21:25
Speaker
ah As you were, princess. Oh, you know my lineage? Nope.
00:21:30
Speaker
ah But yeah, they launch they start launching TIE fighters. and This is a not good design for this ship because it's cool you can launch one at a time. like i or i mean i swear there's been other ships that we've seen where it's just like waves of them coming out of the side. This is like one guy at a time out of the front. had a thought, though. This is a light cruiser.
00:21:50
Speaker
This isn't like the big Venator class. This isn't the ISD. Oh, okay. So I wonder if this is the only launch tube. Because on the on the at least like the big ones we see from the original trilogy, the Acclimator class maybe, um they they have multiple launch base. Those those come out, and and huge ones, those come out like bumblebees.
00:22:10
Speaker
Yeah, and that's what I was thinking of. This is weird. this is like a This is like Battlestar Galactica, so Katie Sackhoff felt right at home. but They used to have like dudes launching one at a time out of these launch tubes, although they had multiple launch tubes on that ship.
00:22:24
Speaker
but She's looking for a coffee. Get her a Starbucks. Ha, ha, ha, ha. But yeah, she comes in and they're like, don't like stay clear of the launch tube. And she's like, nope, sorry, i can't do that that. We're getting under we're getting attack. We're getting boom boomed.
00:22:37
Speaker
Here we go. So she boom boomed. Slave one here behind us. I know you call it a fire spray, but holy shit, that's a fucking slave one. Like this is a not. great moment of CG when she crash lands in this tunnel.
00:22:50
Speaker
It's quick. it's fine because it's so short. But it's just something that really stuck out. Like, I saw it and I was like, it almost hurt my eyes. I mean, also, like, what do you do? I guess miniatures. Like, what what what are they going to do here? Well, even even you could...
00:23:01
Speaker
polish I mean, you can you min should be better, but you could polish it up a little bit. It's not the fault of at least I don't think the fault of the overworked Favreau Filoni. It's the fault of Disney. Yeah, because it's very well known that they have these teams of animators and like India and stuff, and they overwork these people like an underpaying and they don't pay them. Yeah.
00:23:24
Speaker
And it's just like, OK, well, we need to come out with. you know This TV show and four movies this year, and you guys are doing all the special effects. By the way, by special effects, we mean every single shot of the movie. I mean every effect.
00:23:37
Speaker
I shouldn't even say special anymore. Yeah, because i mean like those Marvel movies, if you ever see some of the behind-the-scenes stuff, it's like, sure, they're on a road, but then there's like there's a green tarp up here and a green tarp over there, and that guy's wearing green, and that car is green, and this thing's green, and it's like they have to fill in all these little...
00:23:53
Speaker
Because they want to control every piece of to debris that's flying around the screen. Debris? At least this has the volume. Yeah. Like the recording volume. I think that might be part of the thing because this obviously isn't the volume, this this ship crashing.
00:24:08
Speaker
So that might be part of the reason it didn't look as convincing because it's not. Because the volume we've talked about, you know you have real stuff on a real set and then the backgrounds are CG. And this is a yeah all this is CG on CG, which might be why it stuck out to me.
00:24:21
Speaker
Last episode we did, i didn't we didn't talk about it, but when they're on the juggernaut, I'm pretty sure they they're on the volume because you see things going by on the window, and I'm pretty sure that's just the volume playing that image.
00:24:32
Speaker
Yeah, I would think so. so just like It's a cool thing. But, you know, it's just this is just me. I got to point something out because... We've had ah about 16 episodes in a row of just like sucking this show's dick. Just suck just a fucking suck fest, man. Just a blow bang.
00:24:51
Speaker
And this and then the last episode, i pointed something out. it's just like two really egregious moments that stuck out to me. There's one worse coming up. And I love it. I love it. I don't.
00:25:04
Speaker
it's not as bad as I remember. I'm wondering if they went back and redid it. It's not. No, I don't think so. I think you hate it really, really hard the first time. And then you watched it again.
00:25:15
Speaker
was your second or third time. Now you're like, all right, it's not as bad as I remember. It is bad though. It is bad. Yeah, they crash land in there, jump out and start attacking everybody. And Gideon's like, these fucking Mandalorians. Activate the dark troopers.
00:25:29
Speaker
Every fucking time I get a step up in this world is the Mandalorians. You want Mandos? That's how you Mandos, Lana. ah Lana!
00:25:40
Speaker
We find out that the dark troopers can't be kept at the ready because there's too much draw on the power. So it does take them a few minutes to power up, although it doesn't really seem to matter in the end here because it's not like they get there quick enough.
00:25:53
Speaker
I mean, I guess it does because Mando gets there just in the nick of time yeah to try to stop them. but Because if you think of it, there's a whole vanguard that comes out before him. you know, the whole staging, ah the coup party, we'll call it.
00:26:07
Speaker
um The Ku Klux. Never mind. ah the Well, yeah, the the the gang of women that he's traveling with. I mean, if you look at who's coming out, of his hair, fighters, Fennec, Shan, Cara Dune, Cosco Reeves and Boca Tancree.
00:26:22
Speaker
You know, I didn't think about this. Axe Wolves isn't here. And that's fine because we've said this before. we have obviously anyone's ever heard us talk knows that we are uh pro fucking female power and you know i don't think that we are the leading men in our relationships by the way derek and uh that's okay but this is not forced female power like this is power female power i believe every one of these females is badass and would knock me the fuck out i believe it it's not that moment in marvel where you have every girl
00:26:54
Speaker
ah hanging out at the very back of the battle, the you know, the battlefield. They all come together. Yeah. yeah When they do the Lady Avengers pose there at the end. And even then, it's like all these female characters have proven themselves and are tough. But this feels forced.
00:27:09
Speaker
Whereas this with these four women running off the ship and taking out these dudes doesn't feel forced. It feels natural. I honestly didn't even think that it was all I didn't even think about as all women until you said it.
Portrayal of Female Characters
00:27:20
Speaker
I didn't either. I wrote down the people who were on the team and my notes.
00:27:24
Speaker
And as I read it, I was like Fennec, Dune, Kaska. That's fantastic. Those are all women. That's how you know it's not forced is that we didn't even fucking notice it. Yeah. Like they go off and start fighting these farting.
00:27:36
Speaker
They start farting these dudes. Hey, some people are into it, dude. I'll tell you what, if I'm one of these guys working on this fucking light cruiser and I see these smoking hot femme fatales walking up, um'm giving i'm just I'm throwing down my guns.
00:27:51
Speaker
I'm taking off my armor. I'm like, if you kill me, you kill me. But I'm good here. Whatever happens, I'm good here. Punish me, please. They just walk past me like, oh, come on. You don't want to smack me a little?
00:28:03
Speaker
Spit my eye? Come on. Come on, Cara, dude. You haven't said all that fucked up shit yet. Just suplex me or something. give me a give me ah Give me a jetpack DDT head roll tornado move.
00:28:17
Speaker
Give me one of them. Oh, and this is the final episode of for Cara Dune, unfortunately. Oh, unfortunately, indeed. Yeah. I mean, unfortunately for the character, we've discussed it. I'm not going go into it Unfortunately for us you know, that we don't get more of her story. there was We were supposed to have a spinoff right now. we would have been watching Rangers of the New Republic.
00:28:35
Speaker
And probably complaining. Oh, I have an image to share with you, and we're done if you remind me. It's an image of Starfighter, like ah the new Star Wars one. I saw it. I didn't click it, but I saw that there was some stuff out about it it looks like Waterworld so far.
00:28:50
Speaker
I'm in. I'm in.
00:28:52
Speaker
ah Ryan Gosling drinking his own piss. Sign me Sign me up.
00:28:58
Speaker
They want my seed. ah Yeah, I see why. ah if Ryan Gosling did a movie where the entire fucking planet was after his seed, like, I get it.
00:29:10
Speaker
um But yeah, they they go off to their thing. Mando sneaks out to do his thing. um Most of the stuff with the The lady gang here is mostly action throughout, so there's not a lot to discuss there. like They're fighting their through troopers, and they go up and take the bridge.
00:29:29
Speaker
It is some really good action. and Yeah, but it's shit's hard to talk about much. do want to talk about real quick. Fennec Shand is like damn near immortal, dude. like people Twice, I think, people shoot out with blaster, and she just fucking...
00:29:42
Speaker
dodges that shit oh yeah awesome it is awesome yeah she full-on trinity like which would rip me down send me down a rabbit hole which i'll have to give you some information one time it'll be a whole nother episode about the different ammunition types and star wars blasters slugs fucking proton different colors of things i was up till three in the morning last night listening to youtube videos This is what happens when you don't record right afterward.
00:30:09
Speaker
Exactly. i was like, well, I'm still Star Wars-ed up. ah got go I got to go release this energy somehow. got to ignite my lightsaber, Derek. ah Yeah, Mando's sneaking around, and he comes across the dark troopers, tries to lock them in their little room, but one gets out, and he does get the rest of the door locked, and this thing is just beating the living fuck out of him. I mean, it's pounding his head into the wall.
00:30:34
Speaker
He's shooting his flamethrower up into the neck part of the- Which great fucking scene. No, he goes to sorry no he goes to he goes to the the stomach and it's the flames shoot up through the neck. that's right. It is such a fucking cool shot. That's the only reason I remember it so vividly.
00:30:49
Speaker
And it doesn't even give a fuck. Like, he shoots and it's just like, all right. murder You know I don't have flesh, right? I love when he's beating his head in because it's like, the best guard is going to be fine.
00:31:00
Speaker
But you are going to be a wee bit concussed, my friend. He is putting a foot-deep divot into this ah solid steel wall. i can talk to you about this because you're a Scrubs fan.
00:31:12
Speaker
When it's a flashback of one of the last times that Turk had had sex, or how desperate Turk was when he had sex, and he's having sex with a very large woman. and And when she gets up, there's a Turk imprint on the bed. That's what's about to happen here, except for the actual sex.
00:31:26
Speaker
Yeah. Just the imprint. It's sex for the robot. it starts Oh, this is how the robot. This is robot pound town. yeah That's what's happening. I'm going to take you to pound town.
00:31:37
Speaker
ah Who's your daddy? I don't have one. I have a programmer. Is that the same? i have a step programmer too. oh a step programmer. You're stuck in the washing machine again.
00:31:49
Speaker
ah wait. No step programmer. I'm the washing machine. You're stuck in me.
00:31:59
Speaker
and We talking about Star Wars or what? Yeah. When they told me that I was a loading robot, I thought I would be taking different loads.
00:32:10
Speaker
I wondered why my face was so big.
00:32:16
Speaker
Where we had the dark, the dark trooper is being, Oh, and the whistling birds. He uses those. It kind of, like it kind of annoys him.
00:32:29
Speaker
Yeah. You know, it's very Godzilla 98. Cause I have to make a reference to everything. It's like Godzilla 98 when they shoot him the rockets and he's like, No, no, no, I don't think so, buddy. Yeah, I guess it's closer to that one because I was thinking Godzilla, but i was thinking like the later, the 2014 one, but that dude's not even noticing.
00:32:46
Speaker
Right. The tanks are shooting at him. and He's just walking. This guy least looked over like, what? In 98, he's like, what the fuck is that? what do you get What did you just get on me? Is that a 50 cal? Get that out of here.
00:32:57
Speaker
I'm allergic to 50 I'm going to be sneezing. I'll all uncomfortable from now on. I'm get robo hives. Do you know how annoying those are? I was gonna go to see a fucking robot doc.
00:33:12
Speaker
Robotnik.
00:33:26
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00:35:19
Speaker
But he does end up beating it by using his Beskar spear to pop this fucking thing's head off, basically. It's his last less ditch effort. And then just airlocks the rest of this platoon. Which, great idea at the time. Yeah.
00:35:34
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, when when it comes back around, it makes perfect sense. It's like it does. They're back. And I'm like, well, yeah, they're not people. But I didn't expect him to have robot boots or ah rocket boots.
00:35:45
Speaker
Well, we saw them have rocket boots. Oh, that's right. We did. Yeah. They had rocket boots when they kidnapped Grogu. I guess it bought you a little time. Yeah, I mean, because I think you know they're launched violently out into space and they have to like get their bearings and redirect. and It takes them the length of the episode to get back. Well, because the light cruiser is moving, too, so they have to come catch it up.
00:36:08
Speaker
Yeah, probably not slowly. Just for a plot amount of time. Yeah. I'm going to airlock them for exactly a plot amount of time. giveme Give me as much time as you can. How much time you need. A plot amount of time. Yeah.
00:36:24
Speaker
I need a plot of time. The badass ladies end up taking the bridge. They have next to no trouble with all of these people. I mean, Kara Dune has a problem with her gun jamming, which is yeah leads to a really cool part of her just grabbing the barrel and beating the shit out of dudes with it. Like, all right, okay.
00:36:44
Speaker
Yeah, I don't think she needs a gun. Yeah, doing pretty well so far.
00:36:52
Speaker
They're guarding Grogu. That's right, because Grogu is in the oh yeah yeah jail cell. And he comes up and just breaks this dude's neck, goes in there to go k Grogu, and Gideon is in there with the dark saber. Right above his fucking head, dude. Ignited and everything. Like, do something.
00:37:07
Speaker
Giancarlo Esposito, like, a friendly piece of advice. Assume that I know everything. It's like, I knew you were here. I knew you were coming this way. i know your friends are taking the bridge right now. Guess what? They ain't going to find me there.
Gideon's Criticism and Luke's Power
00:37:21
Speaker
and i imagine they've killed everyone on the bridge being the murderous savages they are. Savages they are. I loved him saying that because, like, I've seen you kill your own men. Yeah. So you don't get to throw around the S word, dude.
00:37:35
Speaker
ah Well, it's because they're not Imperial. Exactly. They're scum. Rebel scum. Yeah. I mean, there's there's definitely no ah parallels with like colonial Britain and and and the world history.
00:37:51
Speaker
Like, well, ah we killed you, but we're the colonials. You could just stopped at colonial, not even Britain, just colonial. Yeah. I guess that's just the one I think of because they took over most of the world at some point.
00:38:03
Speaker
Yeah. Most of the. I was going to say inhabited world, but most of the world that they knew was inhabited. Let me most of the non white world. There you go. ah Um, but I do like the bargaining. Yeah. Yeah. I just want the kid.
00:38:21
Speaker
You can fucking take the, take your dark saber, shut up your ass. You can have this light cruiser. I don't care about you and Boca ton shit. That baby it's coming with me dead or alive. Nope. Actually just alive. Sorry. i don't know why i said that.
00:38:35
Speaker
And he's like, okay, cool, yeah, take him, get off my ship. So Mando tries to do that. Gideon could have had an easier life here because he decides instead he's going to try backstab Mando with the Darksaber.
00:38:48
Speaker
Try to backstab with the Beskar, try to backscar him. But we just found out moments ago that the, well... we as me We as people like me who haven't watched the cartoons and stuff, the only thing the Darksaber can't cut is Beskar.
00:39:04
Speaker
And i don't i don't think Gideon knows this because he goes for Mando and he's like, whoops. Oh, I don't think he would have gone for it if he knew. he would have done different. Because there is weakness. You can stab in the side, the little fucking armpits and shit. I mean, it's not a full suit, like knight suit armor.
00:39:21
Speaker
you know There's weak spots. But yeah, he definitely went for the back. um What people have to remember is the Mandalorian culture as warriors, their biggest enemy for the longest time were Jedi. So a lot of their toys and tools and kit is to fight Jedi specifically, which makes them fight non-Jedi very well.
00:39:40
Speaker
Well, and it made sense to me because the Darksaber, you told me, was made by the... ah Tar Vizsla? Yeah, he was the Mandalorian Jedi.
00:39:50
Speaker
yeah So if he's making a special lightsaber, he's not going to make it be able to cut through his armor. Well, I think just no lightsabers can. Okay. I mean, I just figured because he did special stuff with it. Like it looks different. Oh, we know the lightsabers can.
00:40:03
Speaker
We know we do we because of the fucking duel between Ahsoka and the Nightsister lady whose name is escaped me, Morgan Elsbeth, because she has the Beskar spear and Ahsoka Tana has the double whites.
00:40:17
Speaker
But in the fantasy world of like you know fantasy weapons, like ignoring the science fiction part of it, the fantasy part would be like, well, this guy made this dark saber the ultimate thing. It can cut everything.
00:40:28
Speaker
But since he's a Mandalorian, he's like, well I'm not going to make it be able to fight my people or myself in case someone else gets a hold of it. Yeah. If somebody else gri gets this, I'm dead. Yeah. Yeah. it's It's a fail safe, you know.
00:40:40
Speaker
and It's a pretty cool fight with the dark saber and the Beskar spear. um And Mando beats him. He beats the fucking shit out of him, kind of. And he just drags him up to the deck and he's like, here, Bo-Katan, here's fucking Gideon, here's your Darksaber.
00:40:56
Speaker
But Gideon's laughing because he's like... This doesn't belong to you or this doesn't belong to her. He's even laughing before. He's laughing. As soon as Mando doesn't kill him, he's like, oh, you're keeping me alive. Well, this should be interesting. Like, oh, I know you didn't want it to go this way, but you're up to something like this. isn Your master plan was not to lose, but you're up to something now.
00:41:17
Speaker
And this this. bothers me a little bit about her character because like so the dark saber has to be one in battle otherwise if she has it she's a pretender to the throne dahda da that's fine except that she sticks to these weird like arbitrary rules about the dark saber but then makes fun of mando and his people for having their arbitrary rules about the helmets and all that it's like you can't You can't pick on this this extremist thing and then follow your extremist thing.
00:41:48
Speaker
It sounds like extremist, Derek. Higher than my, or, yeah, higher than, better than, whatever. Holier than thou art. That's what I'm trying to think of. But you're talking about two extremists. Of course they can do that. They can do whatever they justify in their brains.
00:42:02
Speaker
Yeah, it's just silly. It's like, i have to follow this weird arcane rule, but your weird arcane rule is stupid. Can I tell you the last thing? I think I've mentioned this briefly. The last time we saw the Darksaber was before all this show was in Rebels. And Sabine Wren had it.
00:42:19
Speaker
um And she gives it to Bo-Katan Kryze. And she says, you are now the ruler of our people. And everything was good, we thought, until we cut to this show. And it says Mandalore was glassed by the Empire.
00:42:33
Speaker
um The people are in fucking are in despair and they're scattered in these different clans. And the Darksaber is gone. So something happened. And that's why Bo-Katan Kree is like her people stopped following her because she didn't win it in combat. They found her a false pretender.
00:42:49
Speaker
a pretender not false pretender but you know a false prophet kind of thing so she now is like oh fuck man like I might not believe it but my people sure shit do so I need to win this otherwise the houses the clans will not unite we can't have death watch we can't have children of the watch we can't have night owls we can't have true Mandalorians we need Mandalorians that's it yeah I guess that makes sense it's it's not I think that's where this show is going I do like and I i've ah season three is the one I remember the least because I've only watched it once.
00:43:22
Speaker
It's a weaker. The thing that sticks in my head from the entire season, though, the image is her like like lounging on the fucking throne with the dark saber. But like it's just this empty planet.
00:43:36
Speaker
Yeah. Like, I mean, it's not empty. We've there's the the pirate ships that are kind of cool. But it's the emptiest throne room we've ever fucking seen. Yeah, it's just her chilling in this castle. And she's like, I rule this planet of glass.
00:43:48
Speaker
But it's like, I guess that's what you get if you didn't fight for it. I don't know. It's kind of weird. Because even Axe Woe's her right hand man. He doesn't follow her next season for a while. He's got his own split fucking ah faction.
00:44:02
Speaker
So I think that's why she knows. She's like, I don't fucking care how I get it. My people do. So I need to unite him. And even the armorer believes in her. The armorer, if you remember, fast forward because we're getting ahead.
00:44:14
Speaker
The armorer inducts her into the Children of the Watch. And then later was like, you can take your helmet off because you're the fucking bridge. Oh, yes, I do remember that.
00:44:24
Speaker
We don't know who the Mandalorian is, by the way. Like the titular. It could be Grogu. It could be Din Djarin. It could be her. It's like a Walking Dead thing, right? It's like, who are the Walking Dead? Is it the zombies or is it us?
00:44:39
Speaker
you know Because he is known as Mando because he doesn't have a Mandalorian name and nobody knew his real name until you know this the end of last season. and So that's been 30 some years in his life.
00:44:52
Speaker
So like I haven't heard that name since i was a foundling. Yeah. So like that's a an implied thing that it's him, but it could be any of them because there are tons of Mandalorians running around this show. yeah It kind of just ah depends on how it ends up.
00:45:07
Speaker
Although I feel like and at a certain point, Disney's marketing team took over and they were like, no, that's the Mandalorian. Well, and that's the problem is is the i mean will that's why I think the next season is the weakest of all of them, because Well, we'll get we're going to get to the end of this, but Grogu leaves and then they bring him back so unceremoniously that it's like, did this matter? And it didn't now.
00:45:28
Speaker
But anyway, yeah after our four part Boba Fett season with three episodes of Mandalorian. and ah and So I take out what I just said and we're back on track for this meaning everything.
00:45:40
Speaker
Yeah, so the the dark troopers are back. ah There's a blaster on the ground near Gideon. He he kind of like slides his his cloak over it. Which I thought we'll save this for later. Because if grab it now, someone's going to notice.
00:45:52
Speaker
But if I just yeah brush my little cloak over, they're going to think I'm just being fancy. And these things are trying to punch through these blast doors, um which is why the image that I have for the background here and that I used for the main... ah episode thing, if you look at it,
00:46:13
Speaker
The blast doors that Luke is coming through there are smashed to shit. Our right side is fucking smashed. Yeah. ah Oh, yeah. So they were getting through. Moff Gideon's terrifying.
00:46:26
Speaker
He's like, look, this is probably the best fire team I've ever seen. But I think that we can all agree with a valiant effort. every Everyone on this bridge will be dead except me and the child.
00:46:40
Speaker
Yeah. it's like, oh, as of this moment, he's right. Yeah, until this X-Wing comes flying in. and It's funny because I knew Luke was coming in this episode, but my first thought was like when the X-Wing flew in, I didn't even think about Luke on an X-Wing. I guess just because at this point he's like the Jedi guy. He's flown at many ah many an X-Wing.
00:46:59
Speaker
But i just my first thought was, here comes an X-Wing. Here comes Carson Teva or somebody. i think that's what they wanted you to think. Because even Cara Dune's like, oh, single X-Wing? We're saved.
00:47:10
Speaker
Yeah, i've I've seen it before. It was just that was my initial reaction was I was like, here comes fucking what Fox. What's the name? Trapper Wolf or some Trapper Wolf. um i This is this episode is one of the reasons I watched Star Wars alone.
00:47:26
Speaker
I made noises like that just on my couch. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
00:47:33
Speaker
ah so I just I cannot be around people when I'm watching shit like this for the first time yeah the the dark troopers stop trying to break in this hooded Jedi comes in we don't know who he is nobody knows no green sale lovem i love that they save it for so long and it's like dude this is obviously blue X-Wing, Black Glove, Green Saber, Dark Hood, even his movements, they they so they had somebody choreographed this fight-wise as if he never learned the lightsaber forms.
00:48:09
Speaker
Well, and I did, I read, i think it was in the trivia, somebody pointed out that he was fighting in more of a one-handed style like Darth Vader because it frees up your other hand to do force shit.
00:48:23
Speaker
Oh, this mimics the hallway fight from Rogue One. Yeah, it's like it's almost it's it's an opposite. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. it's It's pretty cool. It's fucking dope. it' It's not pretty cool. It's fucking dope.
00:48:36
Speaker
As someone that waited, like the original trilogies, we love, we love. We don't get to see Mark Hamill. We don't get to see Luke Skywalker just go fucking ham. You know what i mean? Like truly powerful. get see him go Hamill. We don't get to a full Hamill. I can't believe missed that.
00:48:49
Speaker
We don't get to see that. This is that moment, dude. This is like, this is Luke Skywalker. This is why the galaxy feared him. And i read that this is part of the reason that Mark Hamill agreed to that. I mean, obviously, if he didn't agree, they could just CG him in.
00:49:04
Speaker
But of the reason he agreed to being there and being a part of all this was because he's like, well, we got the beginning of Luke's story and we got the end of Luke's story, but we never got the middle of Luke's story. Yeah. but And this is i mean, it's still closer to the beginning, but it's part of the middle.
00:49:18
Speaker
Right. It's the early part of the middle, you know. So he was just happy to have. a version of it being shown on screen. And I just, I think, and again, i haven't seen season three since it came out, but I think the, the Kathleen Kennedy directive of, we need to have Grogu combined with the, uh,
00:49:39
Speaker
ah Cara Dune of it all really fucked that season up because we just had to like bring Grogu back. And it's like, we could have had it. We could have had this show if she wanted Grogu. That's fine.
00:49:50
Speaker
You could have still done the Mandalorian and had like, well, here's an episode about Mando doing this shit. And here's some scenes with Luke and k Grogu. And here's an episode about Luke and Grogu doing some shit. And here's the scenes with Mandalorian.
00:50:03
Speaker
Of course, then that also means that we're getting a lot more of this deep fake Luke money, money, money. And it's not just like I don't want people to think that we're Kathleen Kennedy haters. It's just she's no not. at we No, she's the name. We know it's all these executives that were like, well, merchandise, you know, she gets the brunt of it. and She's not the only one up there going more Grogu, please.
00:50:25
Speaker
It's everybody that saw their fucking bonuses last season. Well, she's the boss. It's just like when you talk about a movie and you're talking about the director, that director is not the only person making decisions. Correct. In ah in a lot of cases, unless you're talking about you know an independent film or or something that's self-financed or whatever. But like when you're talking about a studio picture, that director isn't the person making all the decisions, but they are the ones who take the name blame. so You get a name, you get the blame. him It rhymes, so it must be true.
00:50:54
Speaker
But Gideon shoots Bo-Katan shoots at Bo-Katan and Mando comes in to save her. Oh, before that, i sorry, i just wondered, did you see Gideon's face when he sees this hooded figure with the green lightsaber? didn't notice.
00:51:09
Speaker
He is terrified. And why wouldn't you be? Because the only person that knows that the Emperor was killed by Vader is Luke now. Oh, yeah. So to to the Empire, Luke is the most terrifying human person human being in existence because he took down the Death Star with one fucking torpedo, went a hole no bigger than a Wompat, and then he went aboard the Death Star, took down Vader, and took down the Emperor, and then fucking sailed off as it fucking blew up.
00:51:40
Speaker
You would be so scared of Luke Skywalker if you're an Imperial remnant. Yeah, I guess I didn't really think about it. like He's a terrorist. It's like I said, not everybody knows the things that we know. Exactly. So it's one of those things you got to think about. So Gideon's looking. He's like, oh, shit. Oh, shit. Is that a green lightsaber?
00:51:57
Speaker
I mean, there's not a lot of fucking Jedis left. And I know one that has an X-Wing and a green lightsaber. Last time he took down the Death Star, this little fucking light cruiser is going to be nothing. Yeah.
00:52:08
Speaker
um He does come in. He takes out this entire platoon of dark troopers with minimal effort. I mean, he's he's he's it looks like he breaks a slight sweat. I think it looks like he's wearing fucking heavy wool.
00:52:21
Speaker
Well, yeah, I do want to credit the guy who's playing Luke um underneath the CG. Underneath the Snapchat filter. Max Lloyd Jones is his name.
00:52:33
Speaker
Max Lloyd Jones and me. And I I I scrolled through. I forgot to write stuff down. He's done some others. a lot of it's like mocap stuff. But he's you know, I just want to give him credit because he's doing this shit. He's an Andy Serkis type.
00:52:47
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Yeah, I don't think it's quite as as prolific or as well known. But like, that's what he does. Right. um And there is actually a thing I read about. So there was some YouTuber. they They had his name. I didn't write down.
00:53:00
Speaker
That did it better. Yeah, he went off about this. Like he was like, this looks like shit, you guys. It's not that fucking hard. And then he did it and did it better. And so supposedly ILM just called him up and gave him a
Deepfake Technology and Recasting Debate
00:53:12
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job.
00:53:12
Speaker
Yeah. i've I've heard that same thing. I've never checked the validity of it, but I've heard that same exact thing. But they did this this. I did tell you about the droids, like the droids that were built for the sequel trilogy. was a bunch of fucking droid building Star Wars fan club, not too dissimilar from the 501st. Yeah. are costing $15,000.
00:53:33
Speaker
I'll use number. Ours are costing $15,000 and you're doing it for hired You did it on your home PC? Joe Smith built this and in a cave with scraps.
00:53:50
Speaker
Well, he's a YouTuber, so it's like, you know, fart fart night fart knocker 12. I told you so, 69420. Built this in his mom's garage out of scraps.
00:54:06
Speaker
But, I mean, that's kind of cool if it's true and, i like, you know it does So they reveal Luke here, and it does look better than Tarkin. The longer you look at it, the less it does. They do a good job of cutting away most of the time. It's the long sentences when he's like, Grogu grobu needs to go with me. He's like, he should go with me. He wants your permission. you know That conversation is a little bit of Snapchat filter-y.
00:54:33
Speaker
Well, and I noticed this viewing that it it reminds me of... um I recently talked to you about this. We finished Cobra Kai in the last episode or last two episodes something.
00:54:44
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They have some Pat Morita deepfake stuff come in. Most of what when he speaks... is ah shot from behind his head toward ah Ralph Macchio.
00:54:58
Speaker
Same thing here. Most of when Luke is speaking, it's behind his head toward Mando. I'm fine with because I don't want to look this dead thing in the eyes. Yeah, and then but when they do show, and that's that's the problem. is like The face, I don't know, maybe I'm just getting more accepting as people keep doing it, but the face, when it's not trying to talk, isn't that bad.
00:55:18
Speaker
It's not good, but it's not Tarkin. It's not Tarkin bad, or i think of jeffie and Jeff Bridges in Tron Legacy, yeah which is which made which made more sense. The Jeff Bridges in Tron Legacy made more sense because he was living inside of a computer, so if he looks like a computer man...
00:55:35
Speaker
twenty ten Yeah. I think it's supposed to look somewhere around there. But like just the face, it looks okay. Not great. Just okay.
00:55:45
Speaker
But as soon as he opens his mouth and talks, it's like, that's not, that's, that thing's not talking. Yeah. Agreed. I just don't understand how you can make fully CG characters that look like they're speaking and you can't make the mouth of this person look like it's speaking.
00:56:04
Speaker
Yeah. I don't know anything about it, so maybe I'm out of out of turn here. Maybe I'm saying stuff in these people people out there. Someone might be listening who's tried to do this stuff on their computer, or maybe they work and do this professionally, and they're like, it's not that fucking easy, you piece of shit. I guess I have no opinion.
00:56:21
Speaker
You've seen me with a computer, Derek. i don't know what you're talking about. I've struggled to get on this fucking podcast today. Yeah. I know I told you we were going start doing online stuff and you were like, that sounds nice because I can stay home. But ah I got a little cheat sheet right here. it's like, is the computer on step two check again, dummy.
00:56:45
Speaker
But either way, I mean, it's not good. it's just not as bad as I think some people say. um i mean, what else do you do? I mean, I know people say like Sebastian Stan. Yeah, you could recast him. I mean, that's that's the big thing is I think.
00:57:00
Speaker
If you're not hung up on the actor looking exactly like the original thing that you remember. But Star Wars fans are not very forgiving, dude. but Exactly. That's the problem. If it was almost any other property, recast them, have somebody do it and do as well as they can.
00:57:19
Speaker
But Star Wars people are so... nitpicky about that counterfls counterpoint faith restored though uh jimmy s smith's replaced with benjamin bratt because of scheduling fans loved it i'm shocked Yeah. that And or season two.
00:57:37
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So that worked perfectly. That worked great perfectly because they, they told you the character's name. They let you know it was bail Organa. This is our representation of bail Organa today.
00:57:48
Speaker
And that's the thing is like, I mean, maybe it's because bill Organa is not a Luke Skywalker level character, but it worked great. Was I disappointed that Jimmy Smith wasn't there?
00:57:59
Speaker
Yes. Sure. But did Benjamin and Bratt do a great job? Yes. Find a good actor to come in who's even remotely in the realm of said character. Sebastian Stan would have worked, I think.
00:58:11
Speaker
there are he Keep the fucking hood down, dude. Keep the hood down. Yeah, keep there you go. Just have an actor there with his hood on. There are so many people running around looking like fucking Mark Hamill right now.
00:58:23
Speaker
These fucking kids love the 70s all of a sudden. These bull cuts. Hit that bull cut that he had in return. is so when It's returning. Return of the bull cut, not the Jedi. So there's plenty of other options, and I think that those things would work better. And it's like, just tell me that this is the character. And yes, on that first episode, people on the Internet are going to shit their pants and have a bad day.
00:58:46
Speaker
But if you just say fuck it and stick to it and the actor does a good job and the writing is good, they're going to move on and they're going to forgive it. ah Agreed. But there's nothing you can move on from here. It's always going to look like this dead eyed computer man.
00:59:00
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Yeah, it's just too dead eyed. That's the biggest thing. it's It's emotionless, but it's OK because the emotion that we get is coming up here where he's like Grogu's Grogu wants your.
00:59:11
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permission to leave. And so he's holding them and like, man, I'm not an emotional guy. And I didn't cry to this, but like, I got a little fucking goosebumps on it. Cause Greg, who like taps the helmet Mando cried.
00:59:23
Speaker
Oh, Mando cried Mando cried for sure. And you know, all I, all I could think of was Pedro Pascal, phenomenal actor for being able to cry at a puppet. Yeah. like Because you you are acting on a fucking puppet. Yes, it's a good looking puppet. But like, i don't know, man. Like at the end of the day, it's like if I started getting weepy, I'm like, you're crying in front of a puppet, dude.
00:59:44
Speaker
to Get your life together. Who do you think you are, Mr. Rogers?
00:59:51
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Don't you be my neighbor. But he he he takes off his helmet and shows his face to Grogu. And I get that it's an emotional moment, but it's like I've heard some criticisms from other people who are like, you know, you spent 15 episodes telling me how the Mandalorians can't show their face. And yes, we know that it's this sector whatever.
01:00:10
Speaker
But then like last episode, he's just like, here's my face. He's a believer. And then this episode, he's like, here's my face. He's the believer. He believes in Grogu. This this clan of two is so much more important to him than his fucking little co the covenant that the children of the watch.
01:00:27
Speaker
That's what it is. He instantly was like, I would rather be an apostate. Like he wouldn't have gone back. If Grogu wasn't leaving, he wouldn't have gone back to the fucking children of the watch and tried to cleanse himself in the water of to Lake Minnetonka.
01:00:41
Speaker
But instead, like he's, he's like, well, fuck that guy left me. So now what do I do? I guess I'll go back to that family. But yeah, that's, that's why it was so instant. I have no problem with this. It's him like, Hey, take your helmet off.
01:00:52
Speaker
I don't even fucking think about it. I love you so much. You're my, you're my, you're the only thing I've cared about. I'm, I'm not as bounties. I'm not a person who's so dedicated to as like a franchise or or a property that I'm like, well, you broke the rules. I'm like, look this worked for the story. It's fine.
01:01:11
Speaker
And that works for me. I just at this point, I remember being like, I mean, the dude did say he can't show his face. And we spent the last two episodes looking at his face. But I don't care. And also, you know, you've.
01:01:23
Speaker
You've pointed out to me while we've been discussing it that that's not a Mandalorian rule. That's just his crazy religious cult. Yes. That's the extremist sect that he's in. Yeah. So like he could he could just go join the night owls.
01:01:37
Speaker
He's like, all right, cool. I showed my face. I'm going go with Bo-Katan Creed and all of her fucking hot harem of superheroines.
01:01:45
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But like, I still hear people right now to this day on, on like other podcasts or, or like, uh, things that I read or whatever that are still complaining about it. I'm like, move on.
01:01:56
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Yeah. No, ed who cares? Yeah. It's not, it's not fucking lore breaking. Like you got a problem with it. Sure. It's fine. Yeah. pra I got a problem with you punk.
01:02:07
Speaker
It's fine. I've read plenty of comic books. Everything is lore breaking. ah So, but yeah, Canon and a Marvel fucking comic book. No way. Well, you've got Canon. It just only lasts about two to five
Post-Credits Scene and Cultural Significance
01:02:20
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years. And was going to say, you got, you have, have how many writers and then it's, did it's gone. Um, but yeah, that's the end kind of, uh, it's the end. Grogu, Grogu leaves with Luke Mando cries, credits roll.
01:02:36
Speaker
Everything is definitely over. but But wait, there's more. o Oh, I liked the way you were doing it instead. But wait, there's more. There you go.
01:02:47
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Because we come to and the first stinger of any Star Wars property, I believe. I think so, too. I thought the same thing because I forgot about it. Like I walked out of the room and like just kind of started doing a little cooking. i was like, is there laser going off? Did it start playing something else or what? And I ran back into the room was like, oh shit. Oh shit.
01:03:06
Speaker
And I was so excited when I first saw this stinger, by the way. Oh, so was I. And i I know the show disappointed people, and i mean it disappointed me. I like it more than you did from my memory. I still do like it.
01:03:18
Speaker
But I've only seen it once, so we'll we'll find out in a few weeks. I've only watched each episode three times.
01:03:26
Speaker
It's not enough yet. but it's Tatooine it's Jabba's palace. Um, Bib Fortuna's there. Who's being played by Matthew wood, who apparently played Bib Fortuna in a prequel. I believe. Um, in the phantom menace, it's when Boba Fett, Boba Fett, when Jabba the hut falls asleep, he's there like poking them.
01:03:48
Speaker
Oh yeah. And then he's a huge voice actor. He's, ah my My notes auto-corrected to Bible Fortuna. but He did million voices. Don't you go driving around the Bible Fortuna, man. It's pretty much racist from there to the next 12 parsecs.
01:04:06
Speaker
but he did a million voices on the Clone Wars. He's done a bunch of voice acting. Most of it is Star Wars or Disney, but mostly Star Wars. But he was on on the Clone Wars. He played um General Grievous.
01:04:19
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<unk> I've got a screenshot here. generalval gro General Grievous, Watt Tambor, Poggle the Lesser... Various droids, tactical droids, commando droids, some Mandalorians, Kraken.
01:04:33
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I don't know. So all kinds of shit. He's over 25 voices on that. And then in the new Fantastic Four movie, he was the Herbie.
01:04:44
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Little robot. robot Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, I went through his credits because I was like, there's got to be some stuff here that Jack will find interesting. And like he was in a bunch of movies and video games and stuff.
01:04:55
Speaker
But almost all of those, it just says additional voices. Right. So he wasn't like a character in a lot of them. He's just the guy who can come in and be like, I can't believe they did that. Oh, my God. Did you see it?
01:05:05
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Like we need some crowd work. I got you. I'll be the whole crowd. I'll be the I'm working the crowd. I'm the crowd that works. I work for the crowd.
01:05:16
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But Fennec Shand comes in, blasts a bunch of dudes. Boba Fett follows her. She blasts everybody except Boba Fett. Oh, and she does release the Twi'lek dancer. Or Bib. Sorry, Bib.
01:05:28
Speaker
She kills everybody except Bib Fortuna and the Twi'lek dancer. And I did read a thing. We kind of laughed when we saw Fat Bib Fortuna. And it was like, well, he just wants to be Jabba because Jabba was the big fat guy. Now he's the big fat guy. Yeah. But I read that there's a thing about...
01:05:42
Speaker
Twillic culture where it's like food is scarce and it's very important to them. So basically it kind of like old Western culture, like kings and shit. The fatter you are, the richer and more important you are. Because like the big, during especially the Clone Wars and then going into the Empire, the governor or mayor, whatever they have, the leader of Ryloth is the only fat one you see.
01:06:06
Speaker
Okay, that makes sense then. like It's just like, hey, look it, I got all the food, you don't. Ryloth is a rough planet. We'll do a deep dive on that one day. Well, that's why ah gout is called the king's disease. Yep.
01:06:19
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You got to be rich to get it. Well, as it used to be. now you can just have McDonald's. Yeah, now you just have to go and buy whatever's a dollar or two at the grocery store and live off that.
01:06:30
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um But yeah, Boba Fett comes in with her. Bib Fortuna's like, oh man, I'm so glad to see you. But unceremoniously just fucking capped in the head, thrown off the throne. And it's this...
01:06:41
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fucking Boba just lounging on the throne with his leg over the arm of the chair Fennec found some spots swigging out of this spot which I read like four times in the trivia so si she must have said it an interview was like an improvised thing like she's supposed to just stand there next to him but she grabbed it and just like swigged it she had to spit it out though because it's a bunch of glow sticks say oh god disgusting And then it just said Book of Boba Fett. It didn't say like Boba Fett will return in or stay tuned for. It just said Book of Boba Fett. Because it's not Marvel. They got to do it a little different.
01:07:15
Speaker
But it's like those movies that end their movie by putting the titles card up at the very end of the movie instead of the beginning. It's like, no, I just watched Mandalorian. Don't just say Book of Boba Fett. No, somebody thought of like Boba Fett will return in Book of Boba they're like, eh, too similar.
01:07:32
Speaker
Yeah. And it was supposed to come out like... the next year, like a few months, like nine months later or something like that. But of course, season two, we, we've mentioned before was shot pre COVID COVID was going on at the time of this. So,
01:07:48
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It got delayed quite a bit.
Season 2 Wrap-Up and Ratings
01:07:50
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But that's our next watch. Yeah. right That's where we go next. Yeah. So this is the end of season two of Mandalorian. What we've been doing at the end of each season is just kind of our wrap up ratings like we've done for the movies.
01:08:03
Speaker
So it's the five lightsaber scale with Yoda sabers and Khmer sabers. Yep. um So what are your thoughts, Jack, for season two Mandalorian? give it five. and I give it five lightsabers. I was hooked the entire time. like Even on this rewatch, I was still having a fucking blast with it.
01:08:21
Speaker
And I think people that listen know I watch it when it comes out. And then I watch it usually with somebody else in my life. And then sometimes again. If I like the show and this was definitely like a three episode week viewing kind of show.
01:08:34
Speaker
And I mean, just the ending of it, getting to see Luke in that sense. I don't care about how you think the deep fake looked. You know, it is that that is what it is. But Luke being a badass is always good.
01:08:46
Speaker
And at the time, the show had stakes because it got rid of Grogu. in a good advanced reasoning way. Like, well, and the show did actually have stakes. Uh, it was first season, but ah dragon stakes. So where's that second season? but Medium rare, please.
01:09:03
Speaker
But yeah, I, uh, I definitely would give it five I understand people's criticisms. So, you know, if you want to give it a three, that's fine. If you go lower than three, explain me why explain me why.
01:09:15
Speaker
explain me why Yeah, I would have to say, like, it's four and a Yoda, and it's mostly just the the deep fake thing, like, just cast someone else. But it's still a really good rating.
01:09:27
Speaker
That's really my only problem. i i When the second season started, there were people complaining right of the gate. Was it episode two or whatever, 14, whatever, the spider one? Yeah. there You know, there were people that were like, well, now it just feels like filler. And I was like, so last season you guys were like, this is supposed to be a serial kind of like adventure thing. And now that they try to bring those in, you complain about it still. So it's, you can't make everybody happy.
01:09:53
Speaker
Um, I do like, yeah, season. I did love seeing, well, not everybody we've, we've met people who are like, it's just too boring. And I'm like, well, it guess you're not intelligent, but I guess it, I guess it pleased IMDB.
01:10:05
Speaker
Yeah. But it's, uh, it was just, Seeing Luke be a badass was great. It was just the face scenes and only when you could really see him talking when it was like the rear angle shot. I was fine with it.
01:10:17
Speaker
Yeah, obviously that's not Mark Hamill's voice. I mean, it might have been Mark Hamill's voice, but it was modulated each. OK, I knew they used re-speech. I didn't know if he performed and then they used that to tweak it.
01:10:29
Speaker
No, they they basically built what they were going have him say and then took every Star Wars dialogue he's ever uttered and ran it through a fucking AI machine to give it that.
01:10:42
Speaker
I didn't hear him once go, eh. I was supposed to go Tosche Station. We just watched The Long Walk, and I'm like, well, Mark Hamill doesn't sound like that anymore.
01:10:53
Speaker
He's in there just like, listen here, kids, go fuck yourselves. So it's like, and I know he's doing a voice, but still. Yeah, I'd say four and a half. I really love it, and we'll see how I feel about season three because I've only seen it once.
01:11:09
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I can tell you how I feel about season three, but you'll have to tune in.
01:11:14
Speaker
So after this episode, I'll say it one more time, Jack, you can plug your ears or take out your headphones if you want.
Podcast Transition and Promotions
01:11:19
Speaker
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01:11:26
Speaker
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01:11:37
Speaker
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Speaker
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01:12:03
Speaker
Yeah. So time, dude, what do you what are you doing? What are you doing? but Why are you here? Well, I appreciate that you're here, but thank you for being here. Don't go away. Don't go away. ah And there are links. I always I plug the Patreon. I plug the shop shop at bad movies, where is people dot com?
01:12:22
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01:12:34
Speaker
So you can click the links right there. So until we return in two weeks with Book of Boba Fett, Chapter One, I'm just a simple man making my way through the galaxy.
01:12:45
Speaker
I'm Derek. I'm Jake. And we'll see you in space or some shit. Boba Fett. Boba Fett.
01:13:32
Speaker
Dude, if if we know anybody that like fabricates, I would really love the Emperor's fucking chair in the Death Star.
01:13:41
Speaker
Like just not even for the podcast, just in general. I would just like that. I was just thinking about like us talking about fucking, i don't know, the electric state and you just sitting in this fucking Emperor chair. Like I can't believe the consumerism of this bullshit.
01:13:59
Speaker
Hey, I'm supporting local business, man. But also, if I had that chair during that recording, I would straight spun around on you so many fucking times. And then Mr. Peanut is fighting Juan Carlos Esponjito.
01:14:14
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No.
01:14:17
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no