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HTSF Ep 33: The Mandalorian Ch 15 - The Believer
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In Chapter 15, The Believer, Mando teams up with ex-Imperial sharpshooter Mayfeld for a covert mission to locate Moff Gideon’s cruiser. To do so, Mando disguises himself as an Imperial trooper and endures a tense infiltration of an Imperial refinery, culminating in an awkwardly brilliant mess-hall scene where Mayfeld snaps and blasts an officer mid-monologue. After a chaotic escape involving TIE fighters and Slave One-style fireworks, Mayfeld earns his freedom. This is the Way.
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Introduction and New Podcast Feed
00:00:37
Speaker
Welcome back to Han Took Shots First. We're here. We're almost done with The Mandalorian Season 2. We'll be talking about Chapter 15. The Boliva. We might get to a watch the new movie in chronological order if we get this going.
00:00:56
Speaker
That's coming out May. It'll be pretty close, yeah. It'll be around there. I mean, we don't know exactly what era it's going to be. it might be fast-forwarded a bit, but it could be could be close. We could ah could delay some stuff, take a week off here and there.
00:01:12
Speaker
ah we could do that?
00:01:15
Speaker
Delightful. Well, now that it's all on the Bad Movies Worst People feed, which is what I was going to mention anyway. After next week's episode, chapter 16, the conclusion of season two of The Mandalorian.
00:01:27
Speaker
It's the conclusion of the feed. Yes. That will be the end of the Han Took Shots first feed. will be moving everything to Bad Movies, Worst People completely.
00:01:40
Speaker
It makes my life a little bit easier. If you guys like listening, please follow Bad Movies, Worst People. It's anywhere you get your podcasts.
Origins and Passion for Star Wars
00:01:47
Speaker
It's wherever you're listening right now or watching if you're on YouTube or whatever.
00:01:51
Speaker
Honestly, if you haven't heard us do it before, I mean, the reason we do this is because the the just genuine, ah genuine amount of Star Wars references we were making anyway. That Whitney, our our our best third, told us, go get your own podcast. We could talk about Star Wars all day. So we did. So if you enjoy this, come try Bad Movies, Worse People. It's also fun.
00:02:14
Speaker
Yes, exactly. And if for whatever reason you don't find that entertaining, one, you're insane. But two these episodes are there. Just skip the bad movies ones. Listen to these or, you know, stock home yourself and listen to them all.
00:02:28
Speaker
Yeah. Get to know us a little bit. You might hate us. I mean, like us. Speaking of bad movies, worse people, you know how we have a Patreon over there, Jack? Oh, do that. At patreon.com slash worse people.
00:02:40
Speaker
Uh-huh. Well, we have a ah new member recently started earlier this month. Well, last month. Recently joined in September.
00:02:52
Speaker
Much better. Named named Brian. And i he was sending me some messages through the Patreon messenger there. And he mentioned that he's been going through Han Chick Shots first list again.
00:03:04
Speaker
He said, I still love it. it got me thinking as to why. As a member of the 501st and a fan since 77, because I'm old. Oh, that's awesome. It's great to hear all viewpoints almost all at once. Really nice.
00:03:18
Speaker
a Really nice. Gives it a really nice feel instead of just all these uber Star Wars nerds fighting all the time.
Fan Interactions and Inclusivity
00:03:23
Speaker
Yeah. So he he likes when we have, you know, Whitney on and stuff like he has. We have the super nerd. I'm pretty sure he's referring to you.
00:03:30
Speaker
We have the casual fan. That's me. And then we've had, you know, Ryan and Whitney. We're going to have Tyler on who hates Star Wars. I said we had Andor. We had classy on Andor. We had classy Star Wars on with Andor. Oh, we had Brandon on one. So.
00:03:49
Speaker
And that's awesome. Thank you, by the way, Brian. But that's awesome because one of the reasons I like doing this is because if you go on YouTube, it is just all doom and gloom. And sure, you can dislike Star Wars, but I mean, just like it is nothing but ripping on that where I'm just trying to listen to a little story and wind down from work.
00:04:08
Speaker
and Impossible to find. You got to try and enjoy the Star Wars that you get. And that's what we try and do. Do we love all of it? Absolutely not. But are we going to watch it? You betcha. Yeah. But he did mention, don't know if you caught that in there, that he is a member of the 501st. I did catch that. Yeah. Yeah. And so I guess his son also recently joined as a Thai pilot and he sent me over some pictures.
00:04:33
Speaker
um I have them here. Of some of their cosplay Is that the end of it? You're not going to show me? you're just going to tell me how awesome they are in the 501st? So this first one, he specifically said in the email, he was like, um just so Jack doesn't say anything, this scout trooper is a work in progress.
00:04:51
Speaker
So the scout trooper one looks great, though. I wouldn't have said anything. It's better than any fucking cosplay I got. got a fucking Boba Fett helmet behind me. That's it. Yeah, that is awesome. He sent this over. I'm assuming he must be up there on stage for this.
00:05:07
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, look how good those fucking stormtroopers look. Yeah, exactly. And then I'm going to assume that this is. Is that was that the return of the Jethro Toll?
00:05:19
Speaker
Return of the Jethro. I'm assuming this is him and his son, because i have another picture with with his helmet off. so Yeah. Fantastic.
Supportive Star Wars Community
00:05:26
Speaker
And then another one of his son's stuff here. And then this is, he said his daughters came to visit, and they're all nerds, too. Dude. So this is his whole family all...
00:05:37
Speaker
fam delorean out yeah that is awesome well done man and not not only is he doing it right he's raising the kids right dude i mean this is three fucking stellar looking costumes that he's got below him so well done and i asked him if we could share that and he said he didn't mind so Because he was trying to figure out how to send pictures, but you can't send them on Patreon, so he just emailed that over to us. Nice.
00:06:01
Speaker
And he confirmed that that is them in the first season. he didn't He didn't say anything for sure. I didn't go back and ask him. Yeah, i didn't I didn't go back and ask him if he was there. I would assume he would have mentioned that. Well, if he's listening, answer in, please, Brian. We we love interacting with our fans.
Exploring 'The Mandalorian' Chapter 15
00:06:16
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, it would be really cool if he was on there, too. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I don't know where he is. I didn't ask. you I didn't get too personal. But I mean, it doesn't look like Arizona, so it's not here. It looks like Oregon.
00:06:29
Speaker
But, you know, so I don't know if it was like a specific chapter, like the California chapter of the 501st that was there or whatever. That's true. I didn't think about that. cause It's like, hey, fly over from fucking Albany.
00:06:41
Speaker
Yeah. We're not paying your ticket. Some people might have. Exactly. I mean, I would have. had i like If this is my jam is cosplaying and stuff like that, just it's also hard to hide this beard and this hair under a fucking helmet.
00:06:52
Speaker
That's Jack right there. Look at him. Red hair sticking out of everything. See, this work in progress wouldn't be perfect for you. The hair has room to stick out. Yeah. You're not just crammed in there. Did somebody cram a Wookiee in a scout trooper outfit? Nope. Just Jack playing a little dress up.
00:07:08
Speaker
That's what would have happened in episode four if it hadn't been hahn and Luke putting on the stormtrooper armor and leading Chewie in. Aren't you a little hairy for a stormtrooper? And tall, animal, sexy.
00:07:24
Speaker
But yeah, that's just really cool, and I wanted to mention that because we praised the 501st already, not only for being in the show, but just for the dedication they have to the the costumes and all the you know the yeah realness of all their stuff.
00:07:37
Speaker
I'm sure he'll elaborate more, but i mean like you don't just fucking join the 501st. You submit your costume, and you have to get approval. It has to be correct. like you know There's plenty of cosplay out there that just looks awesome, or people are making their own Jedi or Sith outfits, or Mandalorian especially.
00:07:52
Speaker
But, man, you want to be 501st, you've got to be accurate. Yeah, I would imagine. I mean, because you've got ah you know, they you want it they want it to be screen usable, basically. its Essentially screen ready.
00:08:03
Speaker
And, you know what, they got the call. And I do like he mentioned that, like, his son... was a little weird about it at first because or a little uncomfortable at first because he's a bigger guy.
00:08:14
Speaker
yeah He was like, they don't they don't shame. They don't care. Right. As long as you're doing your part to look the part, that's all that matters. I mean, we are talking about a generation generations of people who will avenge Porkins.
00:08:28
Speaker
You know what I mean? Like when Porkins died, we all we all died a little inside as overweight people.
00:08:35
Speaker
I'm going to pull it up one more time because with all four of them in their costumes, that I mean, that looks like something out of a video game right there. Yeah, it does. Helldivers. That's the new Helldivers.
00:08:47
Speaker
Looks sick. Yeah. So thank you, Brian. That's really cool. Thank you, Brian. He mentioned that, too, because he was talking about it And he's like, and of course, I bought one of your mega hats. Oh, fuck yeah. Make the Empire great again.
00:09:00
Speaker
Or good again. Sorry. Good. Good. but Yes, let's talk about chapter 15, the believer. Then I saw his face.
00:09:12
Speaker
This episode's the believer. Is that why they called it that? I think it has to be right. You know, it's funny. I was kind of thinking about that. Like, what is the belief? Who is the believer? The imperial guy that gives a speech or is Mando now like believing I have to do everything for Grogu?
00:09:29
Speaker
where i I think maybe it also has to do with Bill Burr because he's you know he's he's always got that flippant kind of whatever attitude, but in this one, he gets a lot more like he gets his revenge and he and it's them maybe believing in him because they don't trust him at first.
00:09:46
Speaker
And then he fucking mercs all these dudes. It's got to be one person that's believing. Yeah. Yeah. I want to say that it's i want to say it's talking about, oh, what's his name? Is it Valen Hess?
00:10:01
Speaker
Yeah. Richard something. This guy's terrifying. Richard Brake. He is awesome. Richard Brake is terrifying and fantastic. You know what's crazy about Richard Brake? I was going to mention it when he comes up, but I'll do it now. Let's get it. Hence my name on the screen here, Southern Gentleman.
00:10:15
Speaker
He's got this Southern accent, but he... If you look at his information, it's like he was born in the United Kingdom, but he was raised in like South Carolina or something. I was reading. that's why he's got. So, I mean.
00:10:26
Speaker
From empire to colony. Star Wars was trying to hire somebody and they were like, well, we need to. We only hire British people. And he's like, well, I was born there. I was born there, but I do not represent the king. I'll tell you.
00:10:42
Speaker
wow Yes, this episode aired originally December 11th, 2020, written and directed by Rick Famuyua. um And the only episode, if I'm not mistaken, with no Grogu, at least thus far.
00:10:56
Speaker
Oh, I guess he's not, huh? I thought maybe there was a final shot of him, but no. No, because they're going off to get him for the next one. Weird. Kathleen Kennedy and the other uppers were pissed.
00:11:08
Speaker
And you know what? This one of the best episodes of the season. So they need to shut the fuck This has the best. Excuse me. It's not a stormtrooper redemption, but imperial redemption you've ever seen. we get We just get lost with them being faceless and, you know, um autonomous kind of or andonymic anonymity.
00:11:29
Speaker
Like they have anonymity for it. It's just they get lost in it. So it's like ah another death, another death, another death. This one, you get Bill Burr giving a speech of why that's not true. Yeah, exactly. Because you don't think a lot. I mean, until like i really didn't think about it at all until Force Awakens, you know, with ah that. These are all people who hang out together in barracks and know each other. And, you know, that's the first time they like made ah a stormtrooper a person.
00:11:56
Speaker
hmm. I mean, even in this episode, he you know Richard Brake does it because he's talking to Mando and he's like, what's what's your designation or whatever? He's like, I'm a co-pilot, a transport co-pilot. like, no, no, you're TK. Exactly.
00:12:10
Speaker
They're all just a TK number. so i don't I don't give a fuck. They call me brown eyes. I don't care. I call you TK111. That's actually really funny. I wonder if that was in the script or if that was just Bill Burr. like We call him Brown Eyes. I think there was something in the script. like We got to give him a nickname. Bill Burr's like, I say no more. When I get on the set, when we call action, I'll five i fucking think of something. Brown Eyes. Call Brown Eyes. Okay? Done. um This is another Emmy Award winning episode for Outstanding Cinematography, which I appreciate. This show just cleaned up, didn't it?
00:12:39
Speaker
This also, though, has some of the worst. Oh, and or just got Did it? Yeah, I think for writing. Okay, I looked at, I kind of glanced over the Emmys. I don't watch them like I do the Academy Awards. I definitely don't watch those. but But because most people know I'm just a big Star Wars nerd, everyone tells me. Like, oh, did you see your boy won an Emmy? I'm like, who's my boy?
00:12:59
Speaker
so I think that'd be Tony Gilroy? i would assume so, yeah. My Tony Gilboy?
00:13:05
Speaker
But this also has some of the worst CG of the series so far. I don't know just because I'm not used to seeing wheels, but these juggernauts, like the body of them looks good because the ships in the show look good.
00:13:18
Speaker
But it's like once the wheels are touching ground and stuff, it's it looks like a video game. And, you know, which it's it's fine. Just don't show it as much. Yeah, you i just there was certain shots, like there was an under dont wear the vehicle shot where I was like, this is a loading screen, but i mean it's not going to hurt it.
00:13:36
Speaker
There's about to be worse CG, so please hold. So... Yeah, I actually, when I was dating a girl years years ago, and she was, she liked Star Wars, but she didn't she couldn't tell you most characters' names that weren't the big fucking three or four.
00:13:51
Speaker
Yeah. So when we were watching a lot of different, like the prequels and stuff like that, we started, I had a theory that like, wheels just don't really exist in Star Wars. But then you go back to the prequels and you see a couple vehicles.
00:14:02
Speaker
But I'm pretty sure in the original trilogy, there are very few wheels unless they're on a droid. Yeah, I don't think I can think of any. but beside Besides droid wheels, it's just it's all either tank treads on the Jawad Sandcrawler or it's repulsor lifts.
00:14:16
Speaker
That's what was going to say. The tracks on the Sandcrawler is only thing I can think So that was just my kind of theory. was like this is a universe that just didn't evolve from wheels.
00:14:28
Speaker
But then you got these right here. you got prequel trilogies. Got a bunch on the droid side. and I mean, I get it. I guess you're going through rough terrain, but like this seems like the vehicle that needs repulsor lifts.
00:14:41
Speaker
This is why you should have repulsor. This is exactly why. So let's get into it real quick
Character Dynamics and Themes
00:14:48
Speaker
and we'll we'll talk about why. But like I did notice right at the beginning expensive.
00:14:52
Speaker
Maybe they're more expensive than wheels. And they're like, look, dude, we're a fucking empire remnant. And these things are getting blown up all the time. So, yeah. But we started in this junkyard where Bill Burr is it's like a prison.
00:15:05
Speaker
And I did notice there's like some crane things walking around, picking stuff up that look totally different from the other ones. So I don't think we were mistaken in calling those repurposed at at walkers. on the other Right. side Because this is a purposeful walker that doesn't have that design.
00:15:19
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. so it was ri This was reminiscent of it. Did you ever play that Jedi survivor? The first one with Cal Kestis? I played some of it. it It opens up with him on a planet like this. It's not a prison planet, but it is like essentially what we would prison. oh Oh, brother, it's a prison planet.
00:15:41
Speaker
As soon as I said it. But, i mean, it's not a it's not a colony prison colony. It'd be essentially like a mining town for our civil is for our Earth. Okay. I don't remember the beginning. I only played a little while. i need to go back and do, like you were saying, just do, like, story mode because I just wasn't getting into the fighting. The combat is so janky. They're trying to go for Dark Souls, but they straddle it too much.
00:16:03
Speaker
Everybody that has not played those Star Wars games, put it on easy. Enjoy the fucking story. The background's beautiful. When you go to Kashyyyk, my God. Spoiler, you go to Kashyyyk. I don't think I got to Kashyyyk.
00:16:18
Speaker
I remember fighting a lot of stormtroopers going through mountains. Yeah, definitely do what I just said. Yeah, I need to go back. I own it, so I can go back and do that. um But yeah, Cara Dune gets there to pick up Inmate 34667, who's Bill Burr. Inmate 34667, please comply. Dude, this fucking robot, he's like, okay, you're going with Cara Dune now. And he's like, but why?
00:16:41
Speaker
Like, what's going on? and things like, go with Cara Dune. You have three seconds. This is a this is ah ah modeled after a K2 unit. Judging by like when it when it started at the ground, I never noticed this, maybe because we just did Andor, but when it starts at the feet and goes up, it's got the same hip structure, then the shoulders the exact same, the chest is less bulky, and the head is not as skeleton.
00:17:03
Speaker
yeah It looks like the the guard droids from the prison ship, which would make sense. Yeah. So I think these like the Empire had the K2 units and the New Republic's like, look, dude, if we just fucking reprogram them like it's a good bulky frame that can do work for us. But we got to make them less murdery.
Imperial Infiltration Mission
00:17:20
Speaker
Yeah. And this one, though, is like I love this. It's just like, go do your shit. Go do your shit. And it pulls out its fucking shock stick. And it's like, go, go. And it's like you're not going at him. I don't see you going fast.
00:17:33
Speaker
And like he gets over there and Boba Fett gets off the ship and he's like, oh, shit. For a second there, I thought you were that other guy. And here comes shiny-ass Mando. And he's like, well, I guess you're here to kill me now, right?
00:17:43
Speaker
ah Dude, if he wanted you dead, you would have been dead. No, they need him for his Imperial clearances and protocols. So they need to they're trying to find Gideon's cruiser, and he's like, well, I can't do that without getting to an internal system.
00:17:58
Speaker
they're like, that sounds like an episode. Yeah. Yeah. And at first he's like, fuck that. I'm not doing that. But he's got a heart. He's a criminal with a heart of gold because it's, I think Cara Dune tells him, like, well, they took his kid.
00:18:14
Speaker
He's like, what? little the green guy? The little fucking green guy? Let's go fucking get him. I don't care where I got to put my fucking face. I'll stick it right in there, Mando. Sure, I was being a little creepy with him, and like I was maybe going to murder him. I don't know, but like I feel bad. The guy was adorable.
00:18:29
Speaker
I just wanted you to think that. I was going to fucking eat him. The way you said Mando was exactly Bill Burr. Mando?
00:18:39
Speaker
um So, yeah, they have to go to Morak, a secret Imperial mining hub. There's nothing on Morak. Why is Rydonium familiar to me? Was that in Rogue One or Andor? Maybe Solo?
00:18:54
Speaker
Maybe Solo? No, because that's a fuel. It is familiar, and I'm blanking on why. we I just figured it was just like a common Star Wars element. It's not the shit that...
00:19:05
Speaker
Coaxium is so low. Forrest Whitaker is huffing, right? Oh, that is. Is it, right, Dono? That might be. That sounds right. Yeah, that might be. You got fucking Forrest Whitaker on the back of this truck.
00:19:17
Speaker
Oh, delightful. Tell me, he just can you slow down a bit so I can huff some more? He stands near the whole thing while these guys are blowing these up and just like... It's the end of Rogue One. He's a cop that hangs out right by where they're burning all the weed. Yeah. like It's the end of Rogue One, but instead of a big dust cloud, it's this rhodonium cloud, and he just takes off his mask and embraces it.
00:19:42
Speaker
ah Going to die the way that I lived. High as fuck. I love Bill Burr's thing, though. They're like, it's Rydonium. They mind Rydonium. It's highly volatile and explosive. And he goes, like this one, huh?
00:19:52
Speaker
Like this one's personality. Okay, never mind. Everybody's like, chirp, chirp, chirp. He's like, sorry, I'm trying out some new stand-up here. I'm going to tour the fucking galaxy. ah So, yeah, they get there and he they don't want him to go in by himself because they don't trust him.
00:20:10
Speaker
But yeah I wouldn't. He yeah don't think he would have done what they said because they're they're worried he's going to go in there and be like, hey, there's a bunch of fucking new new new republic. We want to come fucking sneak in there on that ridge.
00:20:22
Speaker
I don't think that he has any love for the Empire anymore. The remnants of the Empire. I think that he genuinely does would help the child. Yeah, but he he wouldn't have made it, and if he did make it, he would have given up like he tried to.
00:20:38
Speaker
Yeah, he would have come right out empty-handed. Yeah. Well, Cara Dune can't go with him because they use like DNA scanners, basically, and she'll get caught because the whole base is run by XISB.
00:20:50
Speaker
Her giant-ass bicep is a huge tattoo of all the fucking stormtroopers she's killed or some shit. Yeah. Yeah, but like you know if even if they did the same thing and put on the uniforms, it's still like yeah they've got their DNA scanners and shit.
00:21:03
Speaker
I love Boba Fett's thing, though, because it's like, well, I can't go. They might recognize my face. and see my fight yeah they might Let's just say they might recognize my face. I think they might.
00:21:14
Speaker
Yeah, possibly. i mean, just imagine imagine being one of these guys and he walks by without his helmet. What the fuck? Do you see that? It's a fucking clone trooper. Holy shit. I mean, at this point, they would all be dead or very old because they're accelerated growth.
00:21:31
Speaker
Yeah. none that That literally made me laugh out loud, though. Yeah.
00:21:38
Speaker
So Mando's going to go with him. He's like, not unless you take that helmet off. So he has to. He goes in, switches to his costume that I used for the thing there. They jump these dudes, and he has to put on the... He looks so uncomfortable wearing this armor.
00:21:52
Speaker
Yeah, even Cara Dune's like, I'd like to say it looks good on you, but I'd be lying. i kind of miss you being like a shiny little hood ornament. And... I like so they're they're getting attacked. There's these guys, pirates that are trying to stop all these juggernauts from taking.
00:22:08
Speaker
I mean, I guess it's like trying to ah like the episode point break that we 2015 that we did on our main feed. Yeah. Where they're trying to steal the the gold, but they're trying to stop these things. it's like, well, this has already been mined, but we're just trying to stop the corporation from getting it.
00:22:23
Speaker
Same idea here. This has already been mined, but they just don't want the Empire to have it, which is probably a good thing. According to Richard Brake later, it would have been bad if they got it. Yeah. But, like, love... So they're getting attacked by these dudes, and Mando's trying to use his armor the way he uses his armor, and it's just shattering. Oh, like when he first... He shoots out the window, and Bill Burr's like, are you seriously shooting a blasted next to fucking Rydonian?
00:22:44
Speaker
Huh? It's like, well, they they have thermal detonators, so I got to do something. Otherwise, we are fucked. I mean, even as they're driving, you see all the fucking remnants of the blowed up ones even before this particular convoy gets attacked.
Philosophical Themes and Tension
00:22:58
Speaker
Because they're the third out of, what, four or so? Yeah, and oh and Bill Burr has a line in there, too, that shows you that he doesn't have any love for it because he's he's right before they get attacked, he's he's when they're going through that town, he's like look they're all looking at him like, what the fuck are you guys doing here whatever?
00:23:14
Speaker
And he's like, Empire, New Republic, all in we're all just invaders on their land. Yeah. you know there's there's Everybody is somebody ruling somebody. Exactly. because he has a good speech here where he's going off about the like the the Mandalorians. They didn't want to fucking die. He's like, you got people in Mandalore that think one thing. People in Alderaan think a whole completely different thing.
00:23:35
Speaker
But guess what? Neither those places exist anymore. So, you know, and he this is when he starts giving them shit. He's like, kind of seems like you're... Your code is a little bendable when you get desperate. Can you not take your helmet off or can you not show your face?
00:23:49
Speaker
You know, that's all I'm saying, dude. I'm a survivor just like you. I'm nothing like you. and na Mando's not playing into his stuff here, so he doesn't want to talk, engage with him. But we know he can take it off, just not in the presence of other people. Right. because he's got to eat.
00:24:04
Speaker
Right. but like But I mean, I wonder, though, would this we like I know that he breaks the rules later, but would this have counted? Like if the armorer would have asked like to take your helmet off? Like, yes, but i was alone when I took it off.
00:24:17
Speaker
And then I put on this and imperial helmet when I went back outside. So no one saw my face, but I was without my Mandalorian armor. Yeah. Would that be OK? I mean, I guess because there's such extremists, it might still be.
00:24:31
Speaker
the wrong thing for them. I don't know. The armor is actually assumed because he's got his face. His face is covered. That's the big thing is nobody's seen his face. The armor is actually Princess Leia. No one knows.
00:24:41
Speaker
She just takes all the armor off and goes about her town. Everyone like she waves at everybody. Everyone's like, cool, it's Princess Leia. And then she goes back and puts on her armor.
00:24:50
Speaker
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It is a beautiful thing. So check out patreon.com slash worst people help support this crazy endeavor. Thank you. Thank you. um But, yeah, they're he's fighting these dudes. And, like, of course, he's trying to shoot them at first. And, of course, the fucking Imperial blaster doesn't work. It jams or whatever happens. Yeah. He's like, this fucking piece of shit, dude. God damn it. He does right. Throws it at somebody. It's a cool top of the train fight.
00:26:48
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Yeah. You know? really One complaint though, there are so many skiffs available because he takes out the first one with a thermal detonator. Boom.
00:27:00
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Out of the smoke comes another skiff. He's like, all right, fuck. Takes them out with not minimal effort because he doesn't have any of his gadgets. he doesnn't have his good ass armor. And then through the smoke comes two more.
00:27:12
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Like it just like a clown car of skiffs. Well, there's two more, and then when they cut to the wide shot, there's actually like five more. Uh-huh. I love that. He gets up all tired, and he's like, all right. well And they all stand up. like once the Once he takes out that second skiff, and they all come through the smoke, and every single one of them is just like, boop-bee, and like lights up their thermal detonator. There's like 40 dudes with detonators. They're like, we're going to get you.
00:27:37
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Yeah. yeah We could do this all day. We're like Captain America with a trash can lid, dude. I could do this all day. ah But they do get rescued by TIE fighters.
00:27:48
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I thought you'd be happy to see a TIE fighter, huh it it's it's It is. They almost blow up the fucking juggernaut. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Because they're andex inexperienced TIE fighters. They're remnants. You know, these guys might not have seen battle.
00:28:02
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It was interesting, too, when they get it inside, we talked about the armor, like like the dirty, fucked up armor that all of Werner Herzog's guys had. Yeah. Some of these dudes are wearing busted ass dirty armor and some of them are wearing like pristine white armor.
00:28:17
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so I'm like, well, this is obviously I mean, production wise, I know why they took all those armors and they gave them to guys for this scene. Right. But it's just interesting that in this base, there are dudes who are like polished and clean and dudes who look like they've been hanging out at Navarro with Werner Herzog.
00:28:32
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That's great. I love it because this is how mythology of of Star Wars is born. George just put some stupid random piece of plastic on somebody's chest and was like, god yeah, those are metals.
00:28:43
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And then somebody else had to go figure out what the meaning of those metals were. You know? Yeah. Like that's that to me. That's fucking great because George was just like, I don't know, man, make it look cool. And then someone's like, yes, but I'm going to make sense of it, too.
00:28:56
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And those are my people. He finds the terminal. It's in the the officer's mess, which already right there. I'm like, you're not an officer. They're probably already going to be like, why are you saluting him?
00:29:08
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um Okay. Yeah. I mean, wait I think it was more. I think it was more just a celebration. Like, holy shit. Good job, man. Like, you're the only ones who made it through today. Yeah. And like, it was badass. Like, maybe that's maybe that's why no one questions him in the mess. There's like, all right, whatever.
00:29:23
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But that's where we meet Valen Hess, who's played by Richard Brake, as we mentioned. ah People might know Richard Brake. He's a character actor. He's in a lot of stuff. But the big thing that a lot of people might know him from is Batman Begins. He's Joe Chill.
00:29:37
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He's the one who kills Martha. Yeah, Bruce's parents. And he's also, though, what people wouldn't know him from, but will be his probably more popular role. He is the Night King in Game of Thrones. Yeah, as he's not very recognizable, but. Yeah.
00:29:53
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And then the you just recently watched Mandy. He is the chemist in Mandy. He's the one that's making the drugs. He's got the motherfucking tiger. Yeah. Yeah. and He's also in barbarian. For those who've seen it, he's he's Frank. He's the the guy in the basement.
00:30:08
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He's the old man who's kind of running all the stuff. Just do yourself a favor and look him up because he's got a really haunting nefarious face. And I mean, that was love. He's also in a movie we'll be talking about on Bad Movies Worst People, um Death Machine, which is it's got him. It's got um Brad Dourif, some other people, robot killing fun stuff.
00:30:34
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Hell yeah. But Brad Dourif and Richard Brake are the two I can think of right now off the top my head. He's also in Tremors Shrieker Island. Oh, God. Which I have not seen. Don't go far. I've seen the first 10 minutes.
00:30:48
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there was I own it on Blu-ray. I haven't watched it yet. I think you're okay. ah Oh, and he's also in Doom. Dune?
00:30:59
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Doom with an Oh, Doom. Gotcha. The Rock. like I could see him in Dune, but I don't see him in Dune. No, the Rock video game adaptation. Ew. Yeah.
00:31:10
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Yeah, so we'll be talking about him again. Yeah. No, he's doing some fucking great work here because he's like, you know, just cool, calm, collected, menacing and fuck. Also, the music is so thrilling and just like that that that on your on your fucking nerves kind of music.
00:31:29
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Yeah. You know, I mean, I didn't even notice the music while I was watching. I did watch a couple days ago, but that's a good thing. Yeah. like The music was like part of what was happening. Like the the scene was tense and it's because of that.
00:31:41
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And I love that Mando's just like, um I know I'm supposed to take take my helmet off, but I'm to try it with my helmet on anyway. And it's like, we need to scan your face. You're going to get locked out and killed. Yeah, this like I've talked about this on a previous episode. I don't understand. It's like it needs to scan your face just to make sure you're human question mark because like he's not in their system.
00:32:04
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I guess it's to make sure you're not in the system at all, especially this being remnants. You could be you could easily have new recruits.
Operation Cinder and Legacy
00:32:11
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So often the Empire is like, i don't fucking care, dude. Just make sure they're not a fucking rebel drop trooper.
00:32:17
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Yeah, I guess it's run by ISB. Yeah. So it just seems weird. It feels like a facial scan should be like, you know, you're an employee and we got your we and we've got your passport photo loaded in our system kind of thing, you know? Yeah.
00:32:33
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But I mean, I'm fine with it. The Empire just so cocky. Yeah, and that's probably what it comes down to. Who's going to fucking break in? We're the Empire, dude. Yeah. Who's ever broken into or damaged any kind of Imperial facility? Come on.
00:32:48
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It's never happened. right. Get to work on the third Death Star. So, yeah, he takes his helmet off. The scan works. Valen Hess comes over. He's like, hey, trooper, fucking listen to me when I'm talking to you.
00:32:59
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Does the whole designation transport co-pilot thing we were talking about. I like how Bill Burr's like, loo we got to get over there and fucking so the delivery of the fucking show. He's like, you are not dismissed.
00:33:11
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Dude, yeah. Okay. um Can I be dismissed now when you smell the poop I just made in my pants? but I know part of this had to have been just Bill Burr improvising or whoever wrote Rick Fumuliwa talked to him about it because when he's like he's like, this is TK593. You're going to have to speak up. He can't hear you because of the there was an explosion.
00:33:29
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the The decompression of the chamber. Now, like, let's go fill out our TPS reports. Come on. Yeah, the TPS reports got me. And, of course, there's a whole fucking thing in the trivia. It's like, this is a reference to what was made famous by Office Space. I'm like, no shit, trivia guy.
00:33:48
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If you need that trivia, you don't get to laugh at it. Thumbs down. Not interesting. I did not find this helpful. Yeah. But I love, he's ah yeah he's like, you are not dismissed. And then starts like, let's have a drink. We could drink to health. We could drink to prosperity. Let's have a drink, brown eyes.
00:34:05
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Yeah. Oh, great. is this name Is this nickname going to stick? Season three is just called the Brown Eyelorean. You my brown eyed DeLorean.
00:34:20
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This is when we get the let's drink to the empire kind of thing. And it's him and Bill Burr having the best back and forth. We will not do it justice, but it's this whole thing of like, ah let's talk about Operation Cinder, which are you familiar with Operation Cinder?
00:34:36
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No, I'm not. I just kind of assumed they made stuff up for this. No, this is actually from a video game, and then it became part of the books. When the Emperor died, he had all these fucking droids with his like hologram projection face give orders to top-tier members to burn the Empire down.
00:34:53
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So it's kind of a bunch of different things, but one of the things was if it if it couldn't protect him, it doesn't deserve to exist. Right. But he also knew at this point he knew none of the writers did that he was going to resurrect.
00:35:07
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So what he wanted to do is exactly what um ah Hess is about to say. Cause disarray. Show them how terrible the New Republic is and they will beg for us back.
00:35:18
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Right. So because that's that's what Operation Cinder is. Then there's the first order, which we will see in Episode seven, Force Awakens. And then there is the final order, which we did not really get to see. But that was the that is Episode nine is the final but what that that would have been like the final order was to put Death Star level weapons on each Star Destroyer.
00:35:41
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Okay. That's the final order so that he can just be like, you don't want to fucking join our empire? Obliterated. And we can do it to 20 planets at a time if we feel like it. So Operation Cinder is a real thing.
00:35:53
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It is burn down the empire, burn down the new republic however you can. And we're going to fucking go to the unknown regions and I'm going to rebuild. Somehow I will return.
00:36:03
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And I want you to put it in the script that way. And write it just like that, please. Can you quote me? Read it back to me. i mean, this guy, oh, I had to make some tough decisions that day. He's like, yeah, I bet you fucking did, pal.
00:36:14
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Because he lost like 10,000 of their own people, burnt a whole city to the ground. And that's what Bill's getting to. He's like, was it good them? Yeah, because he was at, it's called Burnin' Con. evening I was just called Con before they lit it on fire.
00:36:29
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Now it's Burnin' Con. Back then it was just Con. I just looked it up because I, like I said, I had just assumed it was stuff for the show because a lot of the stuff they referenced, you've, you've looked up and it's all just been yes stuff they talk about in the show only.
00:36:42
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It's them planting seeds for other people to write books or do whatever. Absolutely. Um, but it says on Wikipedia, uh, it's a planet in the, a no at sector served as a mining colony for chromium and other ores.
00:36:56
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Um, But there was a spaceport there and the iron blockade had to come and basically fuck it up, I guess. Okay. Three months after the Battle of Endor, Burning Khan was one of dozens of world targets targeted by the remnants of the Empire during Operation Cinder.
00:37:13
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Yeah. So he was there, whatever that was, and all those people died. And that's when the guy's like, well, it's a small sacrifice for the greater good. Oh, yeah. Was it good? Because like, look, son, we outlasted him.
00:37:24
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We're still here. Yeah. Yeah. And Mayfeld just like shit talks Hess about whether or not it was worth it. Was it good the fucking people dying in their fucking farms?
00:37:34
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And he's like, well, the Rhydonium you delivered will let us wreak havoc more than burning Khan. And that's when he says, like, people don't want freedom. They just want order. And he pulls up his glass. He says to the Empire and fucking Bill Burr just fucking blast this. This would have been a good spot for a fuck the Empire.
00:37:53
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to the empire fuck the empire ah but like yeah he just shoots i love it because he shoots him and everybody just kind of sits there and looks like all the other officers and stuff are just like did they're all helmets not all but some are in helmets you can still like feel them going like should should i do so i don't know i just saw that i don't know to do
00:38:16
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And like everybody starts coming in and he hands him the he hands Mando the trooper helmet and he's like, hey, man, you did what you had to do. I never saw your face. So he puts it back on.
00:38:27
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ain't no fucking lousy snitch. Exactly. I grew up in the fucking boroughs, the five boroughs. And this whole time, Fennec Shand and Cara Dune have been watching through sniper rifles waiting to see what's going on. And they just because they're climbing out this window trying to get away from all these guys because obviously they can't fight all these dudes.
Thrilling Escape and Visual Spectacle
00:38:46
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And these Fennec Shand and Cara Dune are just sniping these dudes off the side of this building. It's it's fucking awesome. It is rad. at one point, don't know if it's coming up or if it already happened, but does it matter? Like TIE fighters just like fucking go. Come here.
00:38:59
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tie fighters ripped through the mountains and all i could think of was like whoa you see those two hot chicks in that mountaintop back there yeah let's go back and check it out there swing back around i saw a couple hot ones ah we've been ah we've been uh alone in this uh island for quite some time uh some dude gets thrown off the roof and they're they're trying to get rid of the will home scream so this guy falls down and he straight up has like a goofy like like
00:39:27
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Dude, fuck why are we retiring the Wilhelm scream? You can't replace it with anything better. It doesn't exist. ah Definitely not the goofy fucking fall noise.
00:39:38
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Yeah. they're trying They're like, look, Disney doesn't own the Wilhelm scream, but we do own Wahahooey. so all right All right, Salm guys, you can go through our entire catalog of of laughs and screams that we have.
00:39:52
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Oh, look at that, I'm falling down. Oh, no. ha, ha, ha. So stupid, dude. Hashtag bring back to Wilhelm scream like Boba Fett swoops in, picks them up but but and on their way out.
00:40:06
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Boba Fett. Boba Fett on their way out. Mayfeld grabs the sniper rifle from Mando and snipes the open container of radonium on the top of this juggernaut. And it just fucking obliterates this entire base.
00:40:19
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Yeah. And ah we do see the slave one using those charges again from episode two. The seismic death charges. I was just like I knew it was coming, but I'm watching this like in his fucking repeating blaster sounds so cool. Like this is the coolest ship in the fight.
00:40:35
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I know the Millennium Falcon is dope and I often go back and forth, but this is my favorite ship. and It just has to be the slave one, the fire spray, slave one, whatever you want to call it.
00:40:47
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But when he did when that fucking compartment opened, i was like, let me just turn this up real quick here. Love that sound. The last thing I'll say about the Slave Wings, we've talked about it before.
00:41:01
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You said that it was from some Kenner toy back in the day. Yeah. so People also keep wanting to tell me that AT-ATs are AT-ATs and not AT-ATs because of some Kenner commercial.
00:41:11
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So if you're going to go with Kenner Cannon, then it's the Slave One, not the fucking Fire Spray or whatever Lego put out a couple years ago. I mean, Disney's one that changed it before Lego did.
00:41:23
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just so Just so you know, it was just like... I'm just saying, if toys are naming our stuff, then you get to stick with the OG, right? True. I agree. But I think it was Disney knowing they're about to hero-fy him.
00:41:37
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And we can't have our hero having a ship called the Slave, even though i could explain at least three different reasons it'd be called the Slave I and not have to do with actual slavery, which does exist in the galaxy, which Boba Fett worked to hide. it was hired to get to hunt runaway slaves like he wasn't a good fucking guy.
00:41:57
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Yeah, you can't hero-fy a guy. If he decides after becoming a hero that he wants to change the name of his ship, that's one thing, but they're just acting like it was never called the Slave I. Right. So it would still be stupid, but that would at least be a story reason. Also, hashtag release a slave too.
00:42:15
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Boba Fett chase it down. like I love when they're getting out of there, though. And think it's Cara Dune that that finally is accepting Bill Burr. And she's like, hey, nice shooting back there. He's like, yeah, just ah working some stuff out, getting it off my chest, you know? It was it was cool they had him be badass because like even before they escape, like when he's in that room shooting, he's not missing.
00:42:37
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Yeah. You know, which is what they do say. was a joke. He was a sharpshooter. Yeah. That's a stormtrooper, Dick. I was a sharpshooter. Get blaster out of my face, Mando. And then there're their whole thing, like, he's like, well, i guess I'm going back to prison now. And Carrie is like, well, it's too bad. Mayfeld didn't get it out of the base alive.
00:42:57
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He died in there. huh It's a bummer. And Mando's like, yeah, I saw him. Saw him die. And he's just like, i love he's like looking back and forth. Like, are you can I? ah should i And then Mando like nods, and he's like, I'm going go. I'm going go. Hey, this is kind of weird. There's nothing on this fucking planet. That's why they put this remnant base here. So can I get a lift? No? Okay.
00:43:17
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Well, I guess I'll just better than die in that junkyard. Yeah, I mean, you know, he'd go and hang out with the the people back in the village. Yeah, that's true. Take off that fucking armor first, but yeah, he'll be fine.
00:43:31
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Let's hope you don't have any Imperial tattoos from your old days.
00:43:36
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And the last thing is Mando sending a message to Gideon on his ship, and it's that speech from Gideon's previous episode. Yeah, you have something I want.
00:43:47
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I love it. And it's just it's such a different connotation in the exact same words. He means more to me than you will ever know. Ever know. I will stop it. Nothing. Nothing. Boom. Cut to black.
00:43:58
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Love it. yeah great great fucking episode man i mean like you said at the top of the thing no grogu and that's fine it is just such a banger episode between the talky talks and the shooty shoots and also something we didn't talk about we get to see the inside of the slave we get to go inside the slave one stands it parks on its jets and then flies forward like so Obviously, the cockpit doesn't rotate, but I always wonder what the inside looked like.
00:44:27
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And I know there's like drawings and shit, but this is our first time ever seeing the inside of that thing roll around the way that it does. So that way the passengers and the cargo always is always an keel.
Future Podcasting Projects
00:44:40
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Yeah, I like that. You can see the walls moving in the back. I didn't quite notice. like I was like, well, he tilts up and he turns, so it should twist. And I just saw them like kind of moving one way.
00:44:51
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but i was like, either way, it's still pretty cool. I don't think it should twist. Well, because if you go in and it's laying down like this, when it goes up, I don't know. Let me get my Lego Star Wars. I'll be right back here. i have three different versions of the Boba Fett toy. I can grab the Slave toy. can grab real quick.
00:45:08
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