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47. Wisdom Quests, Secret Societies, & Crows
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Hello friends! This weekend we have been traveling and seeing friends to celebrate the Summer Solstice, and as a result, we decided rather than stress ourselves out to produce an episode while we’re trying to relax, we would share one of our Patreon bonus episodes with you! Time warp with us back to mid-March 2025, when we enjoyed a lengthy discussion about what our wisdom quests would be and how it definitely does not portent our starting a cult. :)
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Weekend Reflections and Energy Levels
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has definitely definitely impacted energy levels and my like just generally how I feel is it helping right now it's better it's better that's good it's better for sure amazing yeah it's like i mean i'm I'm not perfect not doing wonderfully but I'm doing better i got a lot done over the weekend even though I still didn't I didn't get everything done but I got a lot done Better than nothing.
00:00:52
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It's
Hormonal Health and Medical Consultations
00:00:53
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true. and I really wasn't sure if I would get anything done.
00:00:58
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It's a crap shoot these days, but you know, yeah, with the weather getting better, it's easier to just feel alive.
00:01:09
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Yeah. Yeah.
00:01:12
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You know, and I wanted to say this too, cause I just forgot about it until just now. Mm-hmm. I think that, you know, you remember how our one friend on the Marco group um was having major hormonal issues and had to go see a doctor to get a hormone replacement medication. Yeah.
00:01:31
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I really truly believe that that's been part of my problem as well. Like with all the weird aches and pains and shit that I have all the time. Yeah. Um, because for the last day or two, I've had almost no pain and more energy and it's gotta be because the hormones are flowing right now because my body's ramping up for a period.
00:01:53
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So I think that, um, I need to go see my gynecologist and, and talk to them about, uh, Hormone replacement therapy. Do you think is is a gynecologist the right person to go to for that?
00:02:08
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um They would be... Or like could your regular doctor test you and like... I don't have any idea. I've heard conflicting accounts. Or maybe not conflicting but like varying accounts.
00:02:22
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You know? Of like some people's regular doctors will do it and some people won't or say they can't and then they refer them to specialists or whatever. I don't even know what kind of a specialist you'd need to see for hormone therapy.
00:02:34
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Right. um Endocrinologists possibly, but like, ah maybe I think the gynecologist can send you for blood work to test your blood level, like your hormone levels. And then, Oh yeah. I mean, probably you're right.
00:02:47
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And then they would, they could easily prescribe that stuff because that's their, you know, their specialty is like women, you know, with their changing cycles and stuff.
00:02:58
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Right. But then I think,
Dermatology and Personal Appearance
00:03:00
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you know, maybe once I'm on it, I probably could get any refills from like my regular doctor, you know? Probably. Yeah. Yeah.
00:03:10
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It sounds like you have a good rapport with your regular doctor too. So. True. Hopefully you would be able to, or wouldn't have a hard time with it at least.
00:03:22
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But yeah, that'd be good to know. be good to find out and try at least. Yeah. Anything's worth trying when you feel so bad. oh God, don't I know it.
00:03:33
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Yeah. So how you doing? You feeling okay? Yeah. I'm okay. I went to the dermatologist today.
00:03:44
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Oh. it was like ah It was like a follow-up. Okay. okay That's what they it's what they've all been. okay Dermatologists are great, honestly.
00:03:55
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And it's funny too because like the the dermatology office that I go to definitely feels like it's a um almost on the edge of plastic surgery type of office that's like meant for rich ladies to try to make them look make them you know yeah i feel like they're younger.
00:04:18
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but talks etc. etc. My dermatologist, she definitely has lip filler, you know? Yeah. And they probably do like those acid peels and all that stuff. Right. And like all of the, um, they're, I don't know. They're not know technically like, I may be medical assistance, the right word or not. I'm not sure.
00:04:36
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They're not nurses, but like all of the like assistants that are there are like these young women in their 20s that are pretty and they always look like very put together.
00:04:47
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And like, you know, it's just like this is definitely like a sorority Oh my god, this is so funny. It's really funny. But, like, it's great because I feel like I'm the only person that comes into that practice. Like, I have actual skin problems.
00:05:05
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Oh my god.
00:05:10
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It's great. It's fun. But, uh, she was commenting today that, uh, I looked overall like I was doing a lot better. Like, not just, like, assessing the, like,
00:05:22
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current flare-ups that I've been dealing with or the open wounds that are trying to heal but like overall she said that I seemed better and i was like yeah like I'm probably generally better but like I'm still just like so busy and can't dedicate all of my life to like trying to solve this i just gotta live you know yeah dude but she did say like the last few times less several times really she said like you know, let's schedule or like keep like a, you know, something on the schedule to keep coming back. and
00:06:00
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she was like, you know, you don't need to schedule another appointment. But she's like, i keep um like emergency appointments open. She tries to keep them open like daily.
00:06:10
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But like, overarchingly, it's been a good experience with her. She's been very, very, very, very helpful and nice. That's awesome. So I'm glad to hear it.
00:06:24
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but yeah like her comment about me looking overall better was encouraging because like i have a hard time gauging how i'm actually coming across to like the rest of the world that's around me i don't interact with a lot of like people who would tell me whether I look rough or not.
00:06:48
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ah Like, I mean, like, it's not like a cashier's, you know, prerogative to say like, you look like you're having a hard time. i don't know. My coworkers generally like are probably used to me looking like I'm on the edge of insanity all the time.
00:07:07
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by But it was nice to hear that. Like, you know, I generally seem better. And I was like, it's definitely, it's definitely the season changing. Yeah.
00:07:22
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i mean, that's a huge part of it. I think that, you know, the work we've been doing has also been like mentally and emotionally fulfilling. That's
Mindfulness Practices: Audiobooks and Meditation
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good.
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I'm glad to hear that.
00:07:36
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Did you get good sleep last night? Better. Not the best, but better. Yeah. I've been listening to audiobooks, actually, for the last like week and a half, which I realized I can't listen to those in the evenings because I want to keep listening because it's a story.
00:07:57
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Whereas the sleep stories just put me to sleep. I haven't tried those yet. You've got Oh, they work so well. I think I'll try tonight. Yeah. I still don't even know what the stories are.
00:08:09
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Because you fell asleep before they started? Because I fell asleep so fast. She always starts with like a like check-in with your body like mental checklist or like you know just sort of helping. is The way that like guided meditations sometimes go.
00:08:25
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And then she'll launch into the story, but I'm always asleep before the checking-in part is over. That's awesome. Yeah. Her voice is just so relaxing.
00:08:37
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It's so wonderful. I listened one meditation or something that she did. Yeah. I need to try the journal prompts.
00:08:49
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I feel like i didt that did not come out very clear. I need to try the journal prompts that she sends has on the app every week.
00:09:03
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For those listening who don't know what we're talking about, we're talking about the Chani app again. oh But yeah, I need to actually, I'm going to, let me take a look at what those journal. Oh, you know what? Let's, here's what let's do.
00:09:14
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Let's do this. That's not English, but here's what let's do. i want to open. Oh, see it's, it's open now. It says journey to the moon.
00:09:27
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It's the first thing that is open because that's the last thing that was open when I fell asleep last night. Oh, I see.
00:09:39
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I want us to o to open our journal prompts and pick one of the three, because there's three of them, to like answer for ourselves and like sort of ask each other.
00:09:59
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And also, maybe, ah kind of like the tarot card of the week, too. and don't know if ours are going to be the same or not. But my tarot card of the week is the Emperor. Yeah, that's what mine is.
00:10:13
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Yeah. So I guess it's because it corresponds to Aries, which we are entering this week. Thank God. I'm so excited. So when you click on the today and you go down to the bottom and it says the inner child meditation of the day.
00:10:31
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oh yeah. Inner child, too. yeah i think that Yeah, I think that those meditations, like the meditation of the day, is probably what I listen to one Maybe, yeah. Because there's
00:10:45
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there's another guided meditation under the week next to the journal prompts.
00:10:52
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Ooh. Okay, she's got so much. Y'all, we are not being sponsored by the Chani app, but like, oh my god, go fucking download it. Would be amazing if we were. be amazing if we were. but This is not us asking. This is not us begging.
00:11:10
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oh my god But it would be amazing. There's a ritual too, but i'm not even going to go there yet. I'm going to look at the journal prompts again. What was the other thing you said? The tarot card.
00:11:21
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Wait, what are you talking about? but up That I saw? Yeah, that you were like, but I'm not even going to look at that or whatever. Oh, the ritual. Oh, where's that at? It's like by the journal prompts also.
00:11:33
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Got it. Okay. All right. so what does your first journal prompt say? Mine. My first one says, how are you inspired to weave more gentleness, creativity, or spirituality into your restful rituals?
00:11:48
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What messages are coming through about this topic now? Hmm. Which I actually kind of like because have, I've been thinking about
Seasonal Creativity and Spiritual Rituals
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me creativity more lately. And again, I think it's because of the return of the sun and the warmth and the light.
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um
00:12:12
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But like also because I purchased some more of those, you know, canvases a few weeks ago and I'm just like, I gotta break those out and like do something with them.
00:12:24
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Dude. Yes. was thinking about painting a crow. Do it. Because I've been seeing crows. Well, I've been seeing crows for years, but like there was one last week that was just yelling at me when I was leaving my office.
00:12:41
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Literally, literally. He was just hanging out at the top of this tree by my office and just all by himself yelling. And it was cute. I wish crows would yell at me.
00:12:59
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I like really never ever see crows. are there Are there a lot or maybe not a lot around your area? I have no idea. I don't know. I feel like they maybe they're an eastern thing.
00:13:14
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ah don't know. You know, my one friend that i also work with She said that she has a crow that hangs out by her house, by her window or something like surprise me at all.
00:13:27
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Right? You want to hear mean? I told you about... ah sorry. go ahead. I told you about the... I can't remember how long ago this was, but like at least a couple of years ago, um the crow that landed on the top of my car, right?
00:13:43
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I think so. Like he was... Like I had... um I was at the Starbucks in Hopkinton, which is the one that we had gone to after getting brunch when you were here in 2021.
00:13:55
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And going back out to my car and it was like hanging out on a, on a power line. And then, as soon as I got in my car, it like flapped down and like landed on my car. And just like, so cool. Like all around the top of my car.
00:14:16
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Yeah, the crow's just been showing up. Like I said, it's been for years, but it's pertinent again. and so I was thinking about sketching one and then like painting it.
00:14:31
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So we'll see. We'll see if I do that. But that's been like because of the the prompt. asking about creativity that's been on my mind but also it's funny because like something that's also been um my mind a lot that i need to like act on more is just the impulse to burn incense ah and the part of the journal prompt where it says like how are you inspired to weave more gentleness creativity or spirituality like i feel like incense for me files under
00:15:07
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gentleness or spirituality and so like if i didn't think it was gonna make me sneeze my face off right now i would light some incense or like hu dry me out even more than i currently feel like i am what if you burnt it in a different room that i wouldn't smell it because i'm keeping this door closed right right right the warmth in In the living room, it's bigger, and so it's easier to to burn in there.
00:15:41
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But yeah, that's something that I feel like I need to make more of a regular habit, not just associated with doing a meditation or doing a spell or a ritual.
00:15:54
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Yeah. But like just throughout my life, just sort of like raise the vibes, build the ambiance. actually have things to say to you about ambiance, but I feel like it's going to be a little bit too much to get into right now.
00:16:09
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Okay. um What is one of the journal prompts that you have? Okay. So the wording is very similar, but it's not the
Mysticism, Wisdom Quests, and Transcendental Meditation
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exact same.
00:16:21
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How are you inspired to weave more compassion, mysticism, or idealism into your wisdom quests? What messages are coming through about this topic now?
00:16:33
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And I'm like, wisdom quests? Like, what even is that? Like, how do I do that? That makes me feel like a wisdom quest is like what you embark on when you like go to a monastery or something. Yeah, right?
00:16:48
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Yeah. An enlightenment quest. Wisdom quest, though. I'm curious. What were the other words? Compassion and what? How are you inspired to weave more compassion, mysticism, or idealism into your wisdom quests?
00:17:05
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Mysticism is a word that keeps coming up. Really? For me. like And I can't even pinpoint exactly where. it just like it keeps, like a little ping goes off in my brain every time I hear it.
00:17:19
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And I just feel like I'm getting it more and more. And I'm like, this is something... oh you know what? You know what? It came up but like in recently was the tarot reading that Alyssa did for me last week. Ooh.
00:17:36
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It actually... like That one has resonated really deeply. Like, that concept since she did the reading. But I want...
00:17:47
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you to talk about your journal prompt before I like commandeer the conversation
00:17:55
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I think compassion mysticism and idealism are three different things completely think they could be related they could be perhaps woven into each other ah little bit but I still want to know what the hell a wisdom quest is I'm like how do I do it laughter Where do I sign up?
00:18:19
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Exactly. For real. What is your take on a wisdom quest? when you I mean, besides what you just said about a monastery. like Well, like the next thing that comes to mind is like, you know going to fucking Peru to do an ayahuasca ceremony.
00:18:36
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You know, about how about which I'm like, so just like, oh, I don't even want to be the next white girl that does that, you know. How about just straight up meditation?
00:18:49
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Yeah. I'd say like wisdom quests could be like, you know, your own personal practice of whatever, whether it's meditation or spell work or anything, but also like study, you know, like, you know, we've, we did the Udemy courses pretty intensively a while, about a while back. And I want to actually get more back into those because,
00:19:16
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um that was my focus for the year that got on that uh you remember that i guess it's a ritual that i did at the end of 2024 going into this year ah tell you about that right i don't know where i like wrote 10 different potential focuses on strips of paper and folded them up real tight oh yeah put them in a jar tick tock about yeah and i was like i'm totally doing this No, I did it and it. was super easy. Because like with each one, you pull out of the jar, you don't even look at it and you burn it.
00:19:55
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And then on the last night of the year, New Year's Eve, you take the last one that's left. And that is the universe. Like that the universe has determined that's the focus for the year.
00:20:10
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And for mine, it was to complete my shamanism studies. Oh my god, that's awesome. Yeah. And I still haven't done it. I haven't worked on it at all. But there's like a lot of time still and out of all of the potential focuses that i but that I came up with, I feel like that was like the easiest one.
00:20:35
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Really? Weirdly enough, because like it's easy to be a student for me. so That's definitely a wisdom quest.
00:20:47
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That's Completing my shamanism studies. That's awesome. I love that.
00:20:53
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Yeah, i have a lot of different courses left on Udemy to do. Would you consider any of those to be potentially a wisdom quest? I think so.
00:21:06
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I need to look at them again, but the The one thing, one of the more recent ones I was looking at on there was if there were any courses on transcendental meditation.
00:21:17
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Oh, yeah. Because now I have like a couple of books about that to read. And that might be that might be my wisdom quest,
00:21:29
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ah
00:21:32
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you know, focus, if you will. Yeah. But the prompt was asking about weaving it. Mm-hmm. into compassion mysticism or idealism into it yeah mysticism would definitely fall into the like category of the stuff that we like the courses that we've looked into on udemy like i feel like they could all kind of file under mysticism in general yeah definitely this book
00:22:07
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o the kabbalistic tarot a textbook of mystical philosophy when did you get that one when i was in atlanta last year okay visiting sierra i remember as soon as you got home with that you started like intensely studying it and taking notes yeah off and stuff and i really have set it to the side
00:22:32
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It was expensive. How far did you get through? like how far How much did you get through? My bookmark is at page 62.
00:22:41
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but How many pages are there? Out of
00:22:48
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Matthew Index.
00:22:51
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Okay. Looks like the last page of like the actual textbook is 248. two forty eight Do you have plans to pick it up and start doing Eventually. at some point. i have so I have another book that I bought at the same time that was also about the tarot and mysticism.
00:23:10
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I'll have to look back at my camera roll because I know I took pictures of them around the time I bought them. But i don't know where that book is. Hmm.
00:23:24
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Ah, the mystical Kabbalah. Hmm. There's that word again. Mystical. I know. i swear to God, somebody needs to tell me whether it's pronounced Kabbalah or Kabbalah because I alternate. I go back and forth all the time and I feel like an idiot.
00:23:44
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Okay, hold on. I want to see what my dictionary app says. It's also spelled differently depending on the source text.
00:23:56
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The one on the picture I just sent you is Q-A-B-A-L-A-H. It's okay. So dictionary definition, it says a variant spelling of Kabbalah or whatever with K-A-B-B-A-L-A-H.
00:24:11
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Yeah. So I'm going to click on that word and I'm going to have it pronounced for me. Ready? Okay. Kabbalah. That's wrong.
00:24:23
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Cabala. It's not fucking Cabala. That's so weird. Wrong. Cabala. You know how it has the little... have never heard that. I know. What the fuck?
00:24:38
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You know how it has the little written out how you pronounce? Yeah. And like how like one of the syllables is going to be more bold than the others? Yeah. The first one has cab as the... the All caps, first syllable?
00:24:53
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No, just bold. oh But yeah, it's bold. Like putting the emphasis. yeah Or if you're not being a Midwesterner, cabala. The second one is caba.
00:25:08
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Yeah, though well that's the thing. is it's It's, you know, where do you put the emphasis on the syllables? Right. you know so So yeah, the first one they have written out is Kabbalah.
00:25:19
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The second one is Kabbalah. And they didn't even put the la. but Oh, well, that's stupid. Yeah, so it's it's either Kabbalah or Kabbalah. And I think maybe I just need to stick like pick one and stick with it.
00:25:33
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Yeah. I don't think it really makes a difference, to be honest. yeah i Typical American pronunciations of words put the emphasis on the second syllable of words. And I think based on that...
00:25:47
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it's probably Kabbalah correctly pronounced. So any mysticism.
00:26:00
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I think that the wisdom quest of studying transcendental meditation is putting the mysticism in my wisdom quest.
00:26:10
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ah Your life really weaving it into your life. Yeah. Cause that was, I think what the question was, was like, weaving these things into your regular life which makes total sense you're a mute it technically did say how are you weaving these three things into your wisdom quests uh yeah yeah yeah that's what it actually said so that's true so i'm gonna then studying any of these things that like i want to study like tarot like
00:26:45
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or tarot hello look
00:26:51
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um transistental meditation um yeah all of these different you know hippy dippy freaking woke here things yeah all of them are like mystical um idealistic i don't know right you know yeah it's like it's um i guess you know we just spent some time thinking about like what could qualify as a wisdom quest but i feel like maybe the entirety of our lives qualify as wisdom quests definitely stone quests for wisdom yeah and that's you know what's so weird is
00:27:37
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I am trying to remember when it all started for me. Probably like only in the last 10, 12 years have I started gaining, like getting this insatiable thirst for like knowledge and like yeah this whole feeling really curious about everything.
00:28:01
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Yeah. And wanting to learn and read and blah, blah, blah, blah. um i honestly i wish i could remember when it all started for me but like i feel like i had a conversation about this with you before so i probably could go back into messenger and it'll be like in you know 19 or 2019 you know or some other thing like where i pinpointed a time because i remember there was like a year would you say would you say it was probably around the time that you read the book or watched the movie of the secret because you like started making vision boards after that right and like just sort of like started it sounds like that was a little bit of a dream first time of like opening up your like mind to like the potential things that you might not know like realizing that there's so much you don't know you know that you don't know that you don't know right
00:28:57
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, maybe that was the the first door opening. But, like... Yeah. And that was like, you said, what, 08, 09, something like that? Yeah. Which would be 15 years ago, I guess. 2010.
00:29:10
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Yeah. But that was, like, in its own little thing. And then I didn't really focus too much on it. Yeah. And then... um want to say it's been since I've been with John or since...
00:29:23
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my son was born like maybe around that time frame that I started like getting really like naturally just curious about everything because I think I realized it must have been at a certain part of my healing journey honestly because i i think I realized at one point that
00:29:46
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my life was so bogged down with stress and crap from family stuff. And I wasn't ever encouraged to focus on myself or prioritize myself in any way. yeah.
00:30:02
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I was always focused on outward things, not myself and not my own brain and not my own like, you know, sponge, you know, knowledge sponge situation or nothing, you know, nothing like that. I was like, just not a curious person, generally speaking. And I, and I think that once I hit a certain point in my healing journey, I started realizing how much i was missing out on. Like there's so much out there.
00:30:31
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And I want to know all of it. Like I want to understand everything and like, or at least get an idea about a lot of things and, you know, have a general grasp of more way more than I ever did in the past. So yeah.
00:30:50
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Yeah. Yeah. There was a, there was a point in my healing journey that that happened and it might've been, yeah. Like I said, maybe since
00:31:01
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which would also be since you came back into my life you know so just having you know you and feeling like i needed to up my game in terms of being a human yeah being a better human or whatever that might have been you know where it all kind of started and don't know um but um But yeah, yeah, I would say at this point, like my whole life is a wisdom quest at this point. Yeah.
00:31:31
Speaker
Generally speaking. I get that. Yeah. And i've I've witnessed it, obviously. i've I've seen you just go down endless rabbit holes. oh Yeah, dude. Yeah, for real.
00:31:43
Speaker
But like, it's funny because like, I feel like you mentioned like, being incurious or like,
00:31:51
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people's incuriousness being an unappealing quality to you Like, and i've I felt like I've come across as an incurious person to you just because I don't chase after the same kinds of information that you do.
00:32:06
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And I've thought about it and like realized that like, i I have curiosity, but I feel like my curiosity, my thirst for information is,
00:32:19
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really ventures too much into the unknowable territory, you know, which I think is probably my draw for mysticism. Like just being like, there's so much that is unknowable.
00:32:36
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Also, I would, I would venture to say that your curiosity and quest for knowledge has been more centered around self healing and That is probably what your first steps need to be anyways. like Like what I was just saying about yeah once I was honest at a certain point of my self-healing journey, that's when my mind started opening up to like more possibilities and you know more interests and stuff like that.
00:33:08
Speaker
So for you, you are you're in the... you know like it in in the earlier-ish stages of like self-healing and i'm not i'm not sure if it's that i'm ever going to end up at the same places that you are though no i know that i know that's yeah but i mean just the fact that that's where you are right now it's like it's an evolution and and wherever you end up going may be totally different than where i'm going but yeah you know i it's like
00:33:42
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The thing about it is that I've always had this wistful feeling that I can't ever even pinpoint of like, there's things out there in the universe that I used to think were in the world, but now I'm like, no, humanity doesn't have these answers.
00:34:01
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And like, it's stuff that I know that I need to know. And, you know, mysticism is ah such a broad vague term but i feel like it's the only right term for what it is that like might actually lead me to what i'm seeking you know that and like so many psychedelics you know
00:34:32
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i hope that i'm making sense though about what it is that I feel like I'm seeking. And it's like, the difficult thing is this is, this is the really difficult thing, is that I've always, are not always, but like, in recent years, I've had the feeling of like, what if i found the information I've always been seeking and then figured out a way to make it accessible people who want to learn?
00:35:02
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But based
Secret Societies and Mysticism's Impact
00:35:03
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on the reading that I got from Alyssa last week.
00:35:09
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The emphasis with alongside mysticism was secrecy. hu I would need to ask her for the full descriptions of the Oracle card that talked about it.
00:35:28
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Like I would need to say it like, hey, could you send me a picture of the description in the guidebook for this Oracle card? But the card, so the deck, which I do think I need to go like seek out and find and purchase, um the deck is called the Rose Oracle.
00:35:47
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And the card was Sub Rosa. And in the description that I can recall, it talked about how in history, things being sub-rosa, or under the rose, under the sign of the rose, meant that, you know, what was discussed in these meeting places, or, you know, whatever, were things to be kept secret.
00:36:17
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And it was, like, usually to do with spiritualism and mysticism, especially, like, old, um... old, old traditions.
00:36:31
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And I don't know how much of it is specifically related to Christianity, but I mean, so much of modern spirituality ties back into the Abrahamic religions.
00:36:46
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So I don't know why I'm getting vibes of the Holy Grail and like, um, what was it called?
00:36:58
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When the Christians were like starting wars back in the day. Oh, like the, well, I think of the the Templar. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Knights Templar.
00:37:08
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But like, ah there was like another word for like the specific, come is because it was conquest, but I'm not sure if that was the right word. Right. But like, you know, seeking out relics, seeking out the Holy Lands.
00:37:25
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And again, that's all like based on honestly pretty problematic stuff now because of the israel palestine fucking issues yeah but like regardless around that area is the cradle of civilization hmm you know, the origins of humanity, like take a pretty dramatic turn in that area of the world in our history.
00:37:53
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Did we say the Crusades? The Crusades. That's the right word. Okay. I just had to like do a quick look up and what was it that you said before that? Oh, I was talking about the cradle of civilization. no the word, the word that you used.
00:38:08
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Oh, the Knights of the Templar. yeah that the kind of conquest conquest that's yeah yeah crusades was the yeah that's the right word though when i was trying to remember when i brought it all up because i was like you know when you read dan brown novels right and like yeah what was the one the big one that was like oh my god The big one that, oh, it was about... The Da Vinci Code. Yeah, yeah.
00:38:37
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That one. And it for some odd reason, when you talked about the symbol of the rose or under the sign of the rose or something, yeah I feel like that there was that symbolism in there somewhere. Probably. Yeah.
00:38:48
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But anyhow. Yeah. And it's crazy because, like, I mean, sometimes I wish that I hadn't been raised in Mormonism simply for the fact that I feel like that has officially...
00:39:01
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ruined the concept of like the Freemasons for me. Oh yeah. And I'm like, man, I would be so interested to know what the fuck is up with them. If it wasn't like so directly the thing that Joseph Smith stole to create the Mormon temple ceremonies.
00:39:18
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Yeah. Yeah. God, I would be so interested, but no, I just want to stay really fucking far away. Yeah.
00:39:29
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Well, the real the Masons don't have anything to do with Mormonism. No, they don't. But, like, the the rituals are the same. I know. And that's that's the thing that I don't want any part of.
00:39:44
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It's like, it's going to be too, it would be too much exactly the same. So. That's why But I mean, if I'm going to start a commune, then I might as well also start a cult.
00:39:56
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And so if I'm going to start a cult, I might as well have secret knowledge. um So maybe my my wisdom quest is to find the secret knowledge that I'll use to start the cult.
00:40:11
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That I'll then, you know, be able to use to build the commune.
00:40:17
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And then we take over the world. Ha.
00:40:23
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But yeah, I definitely have that feeling. But just like there's this feeling and it's, I wish I need, I maybe I need a journal about it. I don't know. But I wish that I had like adequate words to describe what it is I'm seeking.
00:40:42
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Because like when I close my eyes, I can like almost picture, i can picture, this is probably partly why i need to do more shamanic journeying.
00:40:59
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um But like I can picture like, the things around the ideas and the environments around the ideas. And like, I can picture like the historical gathering places, the meeting places. That's why sub Rosa and like the concept of like, you know, that being the sign of like, this is where secret information is being shared.
00:41:24
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Like stuck out so much to me. Interesting. And like Maybe it's just the concept of like various historical secret societies that comes to mind when I think about it or, or what, but like in my, like, if I go into that place of like visualization, it goes beyond just visual because it goes into like, what does the place feel like where it's, what's the energy?
00:41:53
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What can I smell? Like, what do I hear? and like all of it, e vote this sense of like there is information that has been found in history on planet earth but that is not shared or published and has to probably be rediscovered over and over you know there is that whole
00:42:28
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That's so funny that you talked about, like, the the Masons and stuff because supposedly the whole...
00:42:37
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the highest echelons of like society or whatever people who hold the most power and money also hold the most knowledge supposedly so like are you the illuminati oh i mean that word did not come into my brain but that's probably part of it um But it there was that whole, oh God, where did I ever hear about that? Was that another Dan Brown thing? I don't know. But like, I i mean, like ah all that I can think of is the Illuminati. So I really don't know where you heard it. Like the Masons. every like that theyre people sins and like um Like the the 1%, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah.
00:43:24
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All have like knowledge of things that the rest of us don't. Yeah. And they just like, They don't share it they're Yeah, they're they're hoarding it.
00:43:34
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Just like they're hoarding wealth. Right, right. It's just insane. Yeah, it evokes the concept or the phrase that I've heard said many times by many different mediums and intuitives and astrologers that say like, millionaires don't use astrologers, but billionaires do.
00:43:59
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yeah Yeah, I heard that recently. Yeah, and the way that like you know certain things have probably been built like around you know astrology of the year, such as like the reason... And I think Chani actually went into this around the week of the inauguration, where like she believes that astrologers made the suggestion of moving the inauguration date
00:44:30
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from like march or april to january because of like the very specific energy of the signs in the in that time ah of the year being more about transfers of power which doesn't bode well because personally i feel like i have had the feeling and i could be totally shot down for this i don't care i have the feeling that four years is not long enough to like actually get anything done and if we're constantly going back and this is we've seen evidence of this if we're constantly going back and forth between like two different um sides of the same coin yeah um
00:45:15
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every four years or eight years, like, it's very literally two steps forward, two steps backward. You know? We're just, like, just fucking marching in place. i would argue, though, that eight-year terms, they tend to get a lot more done.
00:45:31
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Well, they do, but, like, how hard do we have to fight to undo? You know, that was lovely. Sorry. you don't have to cut it out.
00:45:44
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How hard do we have to fight to undo the damage of the previous four years? You know? Like, sure, Obama got four years, but... Or... Four years.
00:45:55
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Obama got eight years, but so did fucking Bush right before him. And Obama had to, like, spend his time turning shit around after Bush. And then we just had the same thing happen, where it was like, Trump got four years, and then Biden got four years.
00:46:10
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And Trump did all this horrible damage, and Biden had to spend the whole time undoing it. yeah And now we're back to fucking square one again. Yeah, I think we're going back way worse than things oh we are we were was even the first time around. We're going in full-on self-destruction mode.
00:46:28
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um Which is, like, we can't get into it. But, like, for that reason, I'm just like, it's not, it doesn't work. Like, probably the reason why there was so much, like, peace and social progress was And i it's it fucking sucks. I don't want to be saying this and make it sound like I support get doing away with term limits because term limits need to exist right now.
00:46:56
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But like, yeah roosevelt Roosevelt was president for like 15 years. ah In a row. how How did I not know that?
00:47:07
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FDR. Yeah. He was the one who was elected four times in a row. Insane. I did not know that. And I don't remember if he's the reason that they came up with term limits. Well, it's not like you they were like, oh, he needs to be done because like he's like fucking everything up.
00:47:27
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He did so much good for the country. And that's the reason he was elected four times. But like it didn't happen before that Nobody had more than two terms before him.
00:47:38
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So I don't really understand that. If anybody knows, if anybody is listening and they know, like email us, tell us why. um but why did that Why did that happen when it had never happened before? And now it's like
Community Dynamics at Anahata's
00:47:49
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very adamantly never happening again. I'm very curious because it was not a bad time.
00:47:53
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who Who knows if he might have been elected a fifth time if he didn't die in his fourth term. Right. so Yeah, because he was he was president all through the Great Depression and then World War II.
00:48:04
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Crazy. I'm so bad with history. That was like a 15 year span of time. so The Great Depression started in 1929 through the all through the thirties And then think the US entered World War II 42.
00:48:19
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But, you know, there were still like, the rest of the world was in World War two starting in like 38 or 39. Right. then right um and then the US joined in because we're fucking selfish.
00:48:36
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And we don't do anything until we've been directly affected. But... Anyway. Anywho. um i think you're right about that there's information that the ultra wealthy don't want us to have.
00:48:55
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And if that's the case, then maybe I'll just be the Robin Hood of secret information. Mystical information. Where I find it and then I share it with the with the poor people. Yeah, dude.
00:49:08
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So like, you know, that's what they... That's... The predictions or the whatever's, you know, the astrology about the age of Aquarius. Yeah. Is that like it's in an age of enlightenment. Right. And then you had that lady on TikTok with the sugar cube pyramid.
00:49:26
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Right. Remember? Yeah. And she was like melting the bottom layers. Yeah. Martha Beck yeah yeah yeah yeah and that and that slowly from the bottom things start melting everything dissolving yeah and everything ends up in the same pool together so right maybe that's where this where you know where we're headed now maybe that's really what's going to be happening and you know maybe you're going to be like part of that movement I'd love to I'd love to believe that um
00:49:58
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I don't want to you know go about being like, I'm for sure the chosen one who's going to evoke all this change. Like, no, I'm not doing that.
00:50:09
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You said you wanted to start a cult.
00:50:16
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Don't contradict yourself. I don't have the bandwidth to actually start a cult.
00:50:23
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Oh my God. But I mean, sometimes cults just happen, you know, so I mean, look at Anahatas. Well, I wouldn't call it a cult.
00:50:35
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Come on now. We're headed that direction. Let's not be, let's not be, you know, coy. No, no. We're a community, cult. We're a community. We're a community.
00:50:48
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because there is not one particular leader and there's not whose beliefs and ideals we've all subscribed to so there you go i mean it's not a cult would you not consider rachel the leader but she's not spewing out like her no she's not but she started the concept And it all resonated. She started the festival. And gathered the community. Let me say words. Okay, let me say words. She might have started the best...
00:51:19
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okay let me see where
00:51:23
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she might have started the best and most survivable type of cult for the fact that she doesn't have to preach.
00:51:35
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She puts the energy out there and she draws the right people in. and then the right people start to build. Right. And it's not
Sharing Knowledge and Community Wisdom
00:51:45
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necessarily that any of us are preaching, but when we show up at Anahata's, do we not automatically have the feeling of like, even if we're not all walking the same exact spiritual path, like we all have the exact same intention by being here of learning and growth and community and supporting each other like what if that is what keeps growing rather than preaching and getting people to convert and like you know
00:52:17
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pledge devotion and prove things and like, you know, go to drink the Kool-Aid. Right. If you're going to go by like the textbook definition of what a cult is, I don't think it fits that.
00:52:29
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That's all. No, it' that's what that's what I mean is like historically a cult has not been what Anaharas is. Yeah. But it's, but Anaharas is what cults have always wanted to be.
00:52:42
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Maybe. I'm right. m I'm right.
00:52:48
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let's no i think about just think about it i am i am and i'm gonna tell you what i think is slightly different about it okay so in cult situations you usually have people who are very kind of like weak-minded need a leader you know who need to follow somebody i know and that's like that's like the, that's what a cult is, is like all these people just like blindly, mindlessly following one person.
00:53:21
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And like they um ah are easily brainwashed or they're like, you know, MAGA, hello. I mean, they're Mormons. Hello. MAGA and Mormons. Right.
00:53:32
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So It's just fundamentally different in my opinion. Right. and i'm not And I'm not saying it's not different. I'm saying Anahata is what cults wanted to be.
00:53:44
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Like any cult that's historically happened, like it's had to happen by force and by you know, the existence of weak minded, weak willed people needing to follow someone.
00:53:58
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But that's not ever what like the dream of a cult... like you know Most cult leaders are looking for... yeah well they're like yeah they're usually just looking for easy power. Notoriety and power. Right, right. I know that. I know that.
00:54:13
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But it's like the aspiration there, whether it's conscious or not, is or has always been what Anahata's already fundamentally is Because it has attracted strong-willed people who will do anything to support each other. And it's not because of like trauma bonding through terrible experiences being brainwashed and manipulated by a leader or a group of leaders, but by a common cause and a shared purpose that we truly deeply believe in. it's,
00:54:54
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That's what I mean. Like ah it attracts the strong willed. So it's like it is in that way so much more powerful. It's not by definition a cult. Right. But it's what a cult wants to be.
00:55:07
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It's more powerful than a cult than any cult has ever been because it's attracting the strong willed people, the people who are not there just for the power. The fact that Rachel doesn't want to be your cult leader means that she is more powerful than any former cult leader in history. Yeah. And whether, whether she continues hosting on a HANA or not, she started a movement.
00:55:34
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Yeah. So I don't think it's going to go away. Even if 2025 is the last year it ever happens, which I hope to God it's not because I'm not saying that that's, you know, potentially a possibility. Cause I don't, I don't think it is. Right. Like, but I'm just saying like, if it was the, if this was the last year that it ever existed,
00:55:54
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and occurred the event it wouldn't go away by this point it's gained too much momentum outside of her own like organization right work so
00:56:10
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yeah so and don't know what the future holds but i'd like to be the robin hood of mystical information So yeah, this has been ah good one.
00:56:24
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Yeah, we went in places I never expected to go to tonight. Juicy. I'm into it. and it's It's a vibe with it. I'm i'm happy with it. Hell yeah.
00:56:35
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Definitely. i've got I feel like I have like a weird to-do list now. And it is read multiple books about the Kabbalah and Tarot and mysticism.
00:56:48
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And paint a crow. And bother the richest people I find. Yeah, dude. youre Like, what do you know? Tell me your secrets! o So funny.
00:57:05
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Oh my god. um no I really do. like I feel like i ah feel like I have to take time and reflect after this. Mm-hmm. I think we both need to be making more time for some freaking meditation.
00:57:20
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Well, it's, I don't even need meditation. I need time to actually like think and process. Like I need, that's what I need. Yes. Meditation, but like not for this. This is not like I need to like think and process and like make notes.
00:57:35
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Yeah. To do lists are my fucking favorite thing because I'm a Virgo. And so i am going to start making to do list. Yeah.
Gratitude and Listener Engagement
00:57:44
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about being the Robin Hood of mr like mystic secrets okay if funny alright people well hope you enjoyed this bonus episode and shit oh my god i'm so I'm so pleased please put your thoughts in the comments we want them would you join our cult if we started one yeah
00:58:13
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If we didn't act like such dummies. Maybe they would be interested if we weren't so weren't so goofy and silly. Maybe that's the reason our cult will succeed.
00:58:28
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You never know. We're nerds and we don't care. yeah The definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over again. So I think no cult leader has tried to just be a leader ah via goofiness and silliness.
00:58:43
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Yeah, yeah. So we're just, you know, being sane by trying something different.
00:58:52
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But yeah. um Yeah, no, we genuinely would love to see your comments. Because, yeah, I'm curious. if you If you have any of the mystical information that rich people are privy to, give me.
00:59:06
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Yeah, share the wealth. Email it. Tell us. Tell us the secrets.
00:59:14
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Oh my God. I'm so curious. I really, I think I'm going to make it a goal though, to like, to dig up nuggets of wisdom and knowledge and find out or figure out ways to talk about it on the podcast.
00:59:30
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Cool. Like on the free one. No, you should put it in fucking Patreon. No, cause I'm Robin Hood. No, I know. I know. I'm just kidding. Only our, like, super juicy, like, personal stuff goes um behind a paywall.
00:59:49
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Gotcha. Yes. So, yeah. Anyway, everybody, please have a wonderful day or night. Have a wonderful backdoor. Make sure locked.
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01:00:33
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