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66. Western Medicine Has Lost The Plot
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This week, Christina takes the wheel to tell us about some of the incredible things she’s learned from the book "Ancient Secrets of A Master Healer," by Clint G. Rogers, PhD. <3
Referenced in this episode:
The Skeptic Metaphysicians Podcast, “Demystifying The Ancient Science of Ayurveda” from Nov 30 2022
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Introduction to Namaste and Cultural Reflections
00:00:23
Speaker
Hello, rock and roll baby. i'm so excited to talk about Namaste today. Namaste. Namaste.
00:00:35
Speaker
oh and I'm so excited. And yet I'm also just like, oh, no it's yet again, white women being obsessed with Eastern culture. Oh, my God.
00:00:48
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Or like any other culture besides American culture. Yeah, any like non-white ah yeah cultures at all.
00:01:00
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um Which is just... I mean... is it cringy for you Should we not do it? No, it's not cringy at all. It's more so like... I'm just like, ha... We're a stereotype.
00:01:15
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But here's the thing is that we're so... my god we're so like what's the fucking i was i was about to double negative we're so respectful about it we're there's like nothing like i don't know i what we are obsessed with is not the westernized versions of what we're talking about today, which I guess we'll need to introduce.
00:01:45
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Uh, but like, we're not, we're not obsessed with the Westernized versions. that We're just, we're obsessed with like the fundamental, like from the roots. Yeah. The culture, the belief system. thing I don't know why I said processes. That's not The right word.
00:01:58
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My brain, sorry you guys, listeners, I apologize in advance. My brain is still ah soup.
Health Struggles and Podcast Inspirations
00:02:08
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I have been sick for like a week and a half and trying to get out of a ear infection and sinus infection simultaneously. yeah is brutal and it's you can hear it in my voice, I'm sure. I do have lozenges on hand. I have water on hand.
00:02:29
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I have just taken Robitussin. You really just sound you you really that's okay you really just sound a little congested. It's not really that that bad. Okay, I'm glad because my throat has been fucked.
00:02:43
Speaker
but It doesn't hurt really much today. It's mostly just like it tickles, but like it has been so sore constantly for like a week up until like yesterday. yeah That's poopy. It was so bad.
00:03:00
Speaker
so bad i'm sorry that is why i was totally okay with you sitting in the driver's seat for this episode um so why don't you go ahead and introduce what we were talking about now that we've like not even remotely subtly teased it for like two three minutes now yeah um Although you earlier said the topic is Ayurveda.
00:03:26
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I think that that's a little too narrow. um because the book that I'm reading right now, for sure, for sure it is, but it is like the, you know, that'll be part of what we talk about that like comes to mind.
00:03:38
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Yeah. That's only just going to be part of what we talk about essentially. um
00:03:45
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Because I got, okay, let's let's give the backstory. My backstory is as ah another podcast that I listen to talks about various topics, um certain ones really ring interesting for me.
00:04:05
Speaker
And I always want to like, you know, delve into them and see what there is to find out and learn. And so they had a guest on. Should I go ahead and say the podcast again?
00:04:19
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Sure. You might as well. I mean, you've honestly, you've referenced them a lot without ever saying it. So they might as well get a shout out. I think last time, last episode we did, I actually said their name, but, um, it's the skeptic metaphysicians.
Exploration of Ayurveda and Influential Books
00:04:32
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Um, And it's like either skeptic metaphysician or physicians. I think they have gone by both. I'm not sure which one is the official, but it's a husband and wife team and they're, they're pretty cool people and they're just very open-minded and like always interested in learning the next, you know, like subject. Yeah.
00:04:55
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about anything metaphysical, arm all the different modalities of things and whatnot. sir So they had a woman on, and I couldn't tell you right now, like how long ago that episode aired for them.
00:05:11
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um She's like from Canada. She was a nurse, but then she got into like Eastern medicine somehow. And i' I can't remember her story about how she got into all that stuff. But she had, you know, i guess she kind of got into practicing that more and not even practicing like actual medicine in a hospital anymore.
00:05:32
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But she had mentioned a couple of books um on her episode and I bought those books. And that was like a year ago in October. And those books have sat in my bedroom and not been looked at.
00:05:46
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And then friend of mine at one of the schools that I drive for was having some health issues. And her doctor thought that she would benefit from looking into the Ayurveda, you know, diets and things for like whatever dosha she has. And um we were, she was just telling me that. And I was like, oh, that's interesting. And like, I have, i actually have a couple of books about that stuff.
00:06:11
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So I was like telling her I was going to bring them in for her to borrow. And I picked them up this weekend and I started reading one of them. Like I read a little bit of both, but then the one caught my like attention or interest, like way, way, way more.
00:06:26
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The other one's more of just a recipe book. But this one, it's not just Ayurveda, but it's, um it's written by an American doctor. he Well, he's got a PhD, so he can be called a doctor.
00:06:40
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um I don't know exactly what his like profession was, um He was into different things like at the beginning of this book, like he was doing various like, oh my God, um like words are escaping my brain. What do you call it?
00:07:03
Speaker
Like fundraising stuff? Like, what do you call that? You're muted. Fundraising. No, but like when you're doing this stuff for like a living, it's like a when you're into like You know what I'm saying?
00:07:18
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Philanthropy? I don't know. what i don't know
00:07:22
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Fundraising for a living. Yeah, I don't know how to. and Like charity events and stuff? Yeah, like he was helping to run like organizations that raised money for stuff and i don't know,
Teachings of Dr. Naram: A Journey into Healing
00:07:33
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whatever. Like trying to help raise awareness for things and just things like that.
00:07:37
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um I'm terrible, but you have to pick up this book because. You are not terrible. my God. You're going to be correcting me all the time, aren't you? I have to. have to because you don't even hear it.
00:07:51
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have to. Okay. And I'm just, um for the record, I'm going to keep myself on mute because I've got the lozenge and it's going be clickety clacking all over my teeth. Okay.
00:08:04
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And so I'm like, you know, and I'm also just, I keep not being able to stop myself coughing. So like, okay I am going to stay on mute unless I absolutely must say something. okay i'm finishing up my gummy chewing on do you want to say what the uh what the guy's name is yeah like the name of the book and the name of the author yeah and also when you get a chance let's talk about doshas because you just dropped that i don't know i probably not everybody it'll come listening knows you not i mean all of that is part of this good okay good okay
00:08:37
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So the the name of the book is Ancient Secrets of a Master Healer. And it's written by Clint G. Rogers, Ph.D. And he just happened to be introduced to this.
00:08:53
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master healer guy from india who was like i don't know i think they were in california or something where he was you know doing one of these fundraising things um i am not doing this guy any kind of justice oh my goodness i'm sorry um anyway this book grabbed me by the proverbial balls like right away like so I was hoping you was you were going to say that word.
00:09:20
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i was I was like, oh my God, she better say balls. She better say balls. um Yeah, it's it's fascinating.
00:09:31
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It is fascinating stuff. And then reading it so easy, it's like water. like i Okay, I started reading it two days ago, not yesterday, the day before yesterday.
00:09:44
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And I got through like 70 pages, I swear. and like, that is really good for me. i'm a slow reader. and Wow, but really, truly. Books don't, and but I mean, seriously, books don't hold my attention this easily.
00:09:59
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so like, right I was just flipping through pages like... um And I'm only literally, okay, like yesterday, I did not pick up the book at all. I just, yesterday was a weird day for me. I was kind of off.
00:10:12
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But like today I picked it up again and I only got a couple more pages in because I just didn't make it a priority like I did two days ago. So anyway, you're going to laugh, Molly. Okay. There is no way in the world the guy who wrote this book isn't a Mormon.
00:10:31
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It's okay hilarious. like I would love to know why you say that. Well, there's just no way because he, first of all, was raised in Utah. He's like number six of eight kids.
00:10:43
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His parents were like churchy and like raised him with specific principles and morals. He just doesn't say it. Okay. He doesn't say the word. I wonder if he like the left. Yeah.
00:10:55
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ah It's possible because he's practicing this. Yeah. And it's a whole different kind of like, yeah it's not a religion. Mormons don't like, Mormons don't like abhor Eastern medicine or Eastern like.
00:11:10
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No, but he started taking on philosophies from that culture. Definitely don't like follow any of it. Right. And like, yeah, without, you know, first being like, I don't want to keep my own, you know, original religion. Right.
00:11:25
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they don't like They don't duality. like they don't duality a smith brain My brain is on par with your brain right now. It's dueling. They don't do dual religion citizenship of as as it were. right like mormons as If you're Mormon, you're Mormon and you don't just be like, oh, I might also just be a Catholic too. you know like It's not a religion.
00:11:48
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therere There isn't anything about this that's religious, but there's spiritual practices that go into religion. some of it And they're just different than what Mormons would do. and Right. And it's also it's just like if it's if if a Mormon who's still actively Mormon starts to look at other spiritual practices even and like spiritual thoughts.
00:12:10
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it opened It opened up his mind and his heart in pretty big ways. It's just you slip out of Mormonism when you start to slip into anything else. yeah know yeah like It's just it never ever... you can't ever i have never watched a person be two belief systems, one of them being Mormon, at any time.
00:12:30
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yeah so yeah Anyway, continue. okay So he got introduced to... um I'm going to just read you the guy's name. It's Dr. Naram, N-A-R-A-M. He um sadly passed away shortly before this book was released in 2020, I think.
00:12:53
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let me Let me double check. Let me double check my facts. I don't take notes. You know that. I don't take notes. Yes, i do. I don't take notes. Okay, hold on.
00:13:05
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So I think this, don't know, this is a quote in the beginning. Like it's, it's like where the dedication would be kind of, it says, I didn't come to teach you. i came to love you.
00:13:16
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Love will teach you. And I think it is chills. I have chills. I have chills. It's amazing. And I can't tell you whose quote that is. Cause he didn't put who wrote, who said it, but um I think in the book, in the pages of the book, it is repeated in there. And there is a,
00:13:35
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um a credit given yeah but love that so much I know I do too okay I'm going to be trying to read I should have freaking marked on this book I'm really sorry it's okay I'm going to be trying to read some stuff out of it because it's really amazing yeah let's see So yeah, yeah, he passed away in 2020, like right before the book came out, I think within a few weeks. um
00:14:13
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But Dr. Narum was from India and he comes from a lineage of master healers that go back to the the the healer, doctor, person who actually treated Buddha, like the real the original Buddha.
00:14:32
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That's ancient. Yeah. It's like three three or 5,000 years. i don't know. It's crazy. But it's like passed on from one master to one like student.
00:14:44
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And then that student becomes the master and, you know, and teaches a student. like Interesting. And it's passed on like that. And then there's like times where they will take on and another student like this guy, Dr. Narum, isn't part of that lineage.
00:15:00
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He had learned about, he he actually went to school to be a doctor in India and got his degree and was practicing, but he wasn't fulfilled. He wasn't feeling like he was really treating people the best that they could be treated. And um yeah, he's telling the story um and at the part of the book where he's telling the story about how he heard about this master healer person and wanted to learn from him.
00:15:30
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And he goes to him and the the guy's name, he's one of the lineage people, Baba Ramdas, R-A-M-D-A-S. And he goes to him and he's like, I want to learn.
00:15:42
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And the guy goes, come back tomorrow. So he comes back tomorrow. I want to learn. Come back tomorrow. He's like 100 days. He does this. Wow. He comes back on the 100th day. He's got it in his head. He's like...
00:15:57
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If he doesn't teach me, I am going to stand in front of him and not move until he starts teaching me. Basically, you know, it starts. It's kind of like the whole karate kid wax on wax off, you know, it's like putting them through his paces. Yeah.
00:16:12
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He makes almost like almost like he was just sort of like making sure that like this interest wasn't just like surface level. Yeah. And he also has to break his ego. That's part of it. Well, yeah. Yeah. yeah sure That's a big part of the whole thing.
00:16:27
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um he was like, okay, so you really want to learn? Go clean the bathroom. He's like, what?
00:16:38
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Clean the bathroom? you know it's like So he goes and he he's cleaning the bathroom and he doesn't understand. He says, you know, ah only later...
00:16:50
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I found found a good quote. Only later I understood that Baba Ramdas first needed to break my ego and help me face my fears. This was the greatest gift he could have ever given me. This is one secret.
00:17:03
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Our two greatest obstacles in life to seeing ourselves or others clearly are ego and fear. If we have a big eagle big ego or fears, we cannot see what is happening in a patient's body.
00:17:17
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In in their body, mind or emotions. you Ego and fears prevent us from seeing ourselves clearly. So how can we see what is happening in those who come to us?
00:17:28
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We cannot feel what they are feeling or understand what they are experiencing. We can't truly understand ourselves or anyone else until we are able to face our ego and fears. Until then, our vision is clouded and blurry.
00:17:41
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Baba Ram Dass told me, healer, first heal thyself. And my healing started with cleaning toilets.
00:17:49
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Wow. Honestly, yeah i am that that reaction gif of Shia LaBeouf standing up in the auditorium clapping. Like...
00:18:02
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that is me right now like fuck yeah because that is honestly the biggest problem with western medicine western doctors is massive egos they do not listen yeah to their patients and it's part of the reason fucking hate going to doctors especially ones i've never gone to before right new people hate it like gives me so much anxiety i don't want to do it i put it off so like Fuck yeah.
00:18:29
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That's so good. I love it. So this is back in like 2010 when he first started learning from Dr. Narum. And so he he's this is Clint speaking you know to to himself in his mind. How does my own ego affect me? He he said, hearing this story, i began to question, how does my own ego affect me?
00:18:53
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How do my fears impact my life? How do both blind me to not see myself or others clearly? How do they influence the way I am in relationships with my family or work or in my spiritual life?
00:19:07
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And then... Listening to Dr. Naram, I contemplated how many times in my life I failed to see things clearly because of my fears and ego. Looking back, I realized just how confused and insecure I often felt, wanting people to like me, wanting to appear more successful than I was.
00:19:24
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I would even lie about stupid things to try to influence try and influence someone's perception of me. or hide a mistake I made. All these things were byproducts of the deeper issues, fear and ego.
00:19:36
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I asked myself, how would my life be different if I wasn't influenced by my fear and ego? How would i change for the better? So anyhow, this book starts with telling the story of, I mean, it doesn't start, start with, I don't remember, where's the very beginning
Miracles and Challenges in Healing Stories
00:19:56
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of the book? Hold on a second.
00:19:58
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There's parts that are in the introduction that I might be getting mixed up with other things. But yeah, no, it basically starts with a girl who's in a coma, who is told, her mother is told she's gonna die because there's nothing they can do to help this girl's health. Like, yeah any she can't get better.
00:20:17
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She was in there for like a cancer and then they treated her with a certain medication and the medication caused her to get an infection in her blood. was like all this stuff was just, it was awful. it was like, there's nothing they could do.
00:20:31
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And so this mother goes to find Dr. I'm going to have keep looking. Dr. Narum. um Where he records like he has like a TV program that he records.
00:20:46
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And she found out where his studio was and went there and busted in during like recording. And like made a big, you know, kind of a big bustle, you know and what you call it. Like where you you make like commotion or whatever. hullabaloo. A hullabaloo.
00:21:03
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i do love both of those words and the doc doctor kind of heard what was going on and he he asked them to stop recording and he goes and you know talks to this woman and she's begging him like begging him you could see the desperation you could you know when you're reading the story you could feel it and you're like oh my god like if it you know this was like her only daughter, i think. And, you know she couldn't imagine losing her and left her home husband and think one, one or two sons at home to travel. Like,
00:21:40
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I think she took a taxi eight hours or some crap to go to find this guy. cheez Yeah, it's crazy. like And so he was like, okay, he he had a student under him who was, I think, Dr. Giovanni something. I don't know. Something. I don't remember, you guys. I'm so sorry. That's And he's like, we don't need to have all the perfect details. It gives people an opportunity to get details when they go and read this themselves. You've got to read It's so good.
00:22:06
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Dr. Giovanni... but doctors somebody he's like italian he's got an italian name but i think he practiced in england or something he's studying under dr narum and he sends this guy to go with her to the to the doc to the hospital where her daughter's at and so the the guy the other doctor gets there and he's looking at the daughter and he's like okay let me call dr narum and then he gives him the you you know the rundown about what's going on and the doctor told
00:22:39
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him, Dr. Narum told him what to do to treat this this girl. She's like a teenager. And they have like these herbal tablets and they will like take them and and smash them up with some ghee, which is clarified butter, right?
00:22:58
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And they put it in her navel. And this is why. Because when you're in a coma, you can't ingest with your mouth. And I guess there's a philosophy like that came from somewhere along the lines, along the the numerous years of practice, that if you can't ingest, like the navel is considered the second mouth.
00:23:24
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And because literally you do take in all of your nutrients in the womb through your navel. Right. So it kind of makes sense, even though yeah it's kind of weird because it's not directly connected to our intestines anymore after are, like, born. But right anyway, it still, like, gets into the body, right, somehow. Yeah, it gets into the bloodstream somehow.
00:23:46
Speaker
Yeah. So they but made this paste with this herbal tablet and ah and the ghee, and he put it in her navel. And... He went and got an onion and cut it into six pieces. Like I think six like wedges.
00:24:00
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I'm not positive. Put it in a bowl on one side of her head. Put some milk in a bowl on the other side of her bed, head on the other side of her head. And then did these pressure points on her body.
00:24:12
Speaker
Like different ones. Almost like tapping. You know like they have the tapping stuff like you do? Yeah, yeah. There's different pressure points on the body. that do different things. And so they taught the mother how to do them. So she would do them like, I think it was like 15 to 21 times a day on all these different parts.
00:24:33
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And I think by the next day she was speaking. And then two days after that, she was sitting up like completely normal. Wow. She was healed, like seriously healed.
00:24:47
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Oh, my God. Later on, there's a story in here about an autistic girl because the doctor will see like in India, he sees like 300 patients a day or something crazy.
00:25:00
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But he doesn't need to spend like a ton of time with each of them. um yeah Also, there's a part of I forgot the missing component, the very the the basic first thing that they do is check your pulse but they don't just check it they actually can read a lot of things about you based on your pulse which is I don't know how it's like it's almost like a psychic thing I swear to god because they're taking your pulse and they're feeling certain things and I don't know how but they could tell certain things about you from your pulse so that's the number one thing and then they go from there about like the treatments so
00:25:39
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they they would do the pulse taking and then they would like prescribe like herbals and these pressure points. And it's helped like, and and there's gonna be different herbals for different, you know, illnesses and things and different pressure points for different illnesses and stuff.
00:25:56
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But yeah, that autistic kid story like got me right in the gut because i have been driving for handicapped students for like 29 years, you know?
00:26:09
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And we're not driving the whole 29, but you know what I'm saying? I've been working with them. Yeah. The vast majority of it. My brother was, you know, mentally, cognitively impaired.
00:26:21
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And, um, Anyway, I've been around handicapped people basically my whole life. It's like it's like a so ah thing that's very close to your heart. Yeah.
00:26:32
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And although ah autism was more of a newer thing, I didn't really know much about a autism or have any experience with autistic people um until I was working with the school district. But this story is just it's crazy.
00:26:46
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Like so this section of this chapter There's like little mini titletles mid subtitles for each chapter. um Inside of each chapter. And like this one, is says, When Your Life Is Like Hell.
00:26:59
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And I have known families that have gone through this. So I'm telling you. That's an intense title. Yeah. So... title well yeah so It says, whack, an 11-year-old autistic girl named Gia just struck someone who was trying to calm her down.
00:27:16
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Sitting in front of Dr. Narum, her mother broke down in tears. I wish my daughter had never been born, doctor. I know that sounds horrible, but it is true. Gia's mother struggled to explain what her life was like raising a child like Gia.
00:27:29
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While she spoke, Dr. Narum quietly put his fingers on Gia's wrist until she yanked her hand away, knocking a box of mints off the desk. So he was going to check her pulse. That was what that was about. She jumped from her chair and bounced back and forth from one side of the room to the other.
00:27:45
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My life is hell, said Gia's mother. We have no social life, no life. I spend every waking minute trying to make sure she doesn't hurt herself, us or others. We cannot take her out in public and I'm drained of every ounce of strength and attention and attention just coping with her.
00:28:02
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She only wants to eat meat or junk food. She throws anything else we try to give her. So she's crying. It says tears rolled down her she hunched over in exhaustion, in exhausted despair.
00:28:13
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i snap at our other two children who feel neglected then get a then get aggressive and make things even worse i feel like a horrible wife and a failure as a mother so she's crying it says tears rolled down her cheeks as she hunched over in exhaustion in in exhausted despair Dr. Narm patted her arm. I am not God, he said in a calm voice, but I have helped thousands of children like this.
00:28:37
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The important thing is this question. What do you want? That is the thing he asks everybody besides taking their pulse. always forgot about that question. really well but So he says, there it is again, I thought that question.
00:28:51
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I just want her to be a normal child, to have a normal life. As she was speaking, Dr. Naram took notes on what he found in Gia's pulse. He quickly checked off boxes on a paper with names of various herbal formulas.
00:29:03
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He turned his bright, intense eyes back back on the mother and said firmly, what if we are able to make a transformation in Gia's life and yours right now? Mother stopped crying, but also seemed to stop breathing.
00:29:17
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Before she could answer, Dr. Naram came from behind his desk and placed a chair in the middle of his room. Gia called Dr. Naram, patting the chair with his hand. Everyone stared at him except Gia.
00:29:27
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She ignored him. she He walked to her and began to speak. She frantically bolted across the room, crashing into several people on the way. This happened several times. It seemed hopeless and I wondered why he kept trying to do something that clearly wasn't going to work.
00:29:43
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This girl was too wild and many other people were waiting to be seen. Dr. Naram went to her again and tried to place his hands on her head in a particular way to press certain points that he said activated a specific marma, which I...
00:29:58
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I can't explain Marma at this exact moment, but he says, working with subtle energy points, he explained, can help remove blocks and rebalance the body. Only when he started to touch specific points on her head, Gia reached up and grabbed his face with her strong little hands.
00:30:16
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Her sharp nails scratched him, tearing the tearing the flesh on his left cheek. A few drops of bright red blood appeared on his dark skin. Dr. Narum jolted back in surprise. Gia, her mom yelled in shock,
00:30:28
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vigorously trying to grab her daughter as she ran across the room. Tension surged in my body as I watched Dr. Naram wipe the blood from his face with the tissue. on The scratch startled Dr. Naram.
00:30:39
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For only a brief moment, he began calling her name again. Gia, when she didn't respond, her mother yelled her name again and tried to force her to sit on the chair. No, Dr. Naram said abruptly to the mother.
00:30:52
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Don't you understand? I'm trying to teach you something. Tension permeated the room as he as the surprised mother let her child go. Gio watched her mother being scolded, then rushed to the other side of the room. She picked up the box of mints from the floor and started looking at it with great curiosity.
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Dr. Narum joined her. Very interesting, huh? She tapped it, so he tapped it. Her mother tried to grab her hand and yank the box away. Again, Dr. Narum said firmly, no, I'm trying to teach you something. Don't you understand me?
00:31:23
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Gio looked at Dr. Narum, then went back to examining the box. Dr. Narm laughed and smiling said she is curious. Then turned to the little girl. He said, I like you, Gia.
00:31:34
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I like how you're curious. They explored the box together. He opened it, took a mint, gave her one. After a short exchange, he was able to gently put his hands on her head and do the first marmott.
00:31:45
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With the palm of his right hand on her forehead, and the palm of his left hand on the back of her head and his fingers curled and pressed lightly on the top of her head. He gave six squeezes.
00:31:56
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He took her right hand and pressed the tip of her index finger six times. Gia looked up at him inquisitively. She did not resist. um Anyway, he gets her to sit down on a chair and then he gets her to get up and go and sit down on another chair. And he gets, i mean, he kind of gets her, it's calm.
00:32:19
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And basically he's saying this girl just wants to be understood, you know, like that's part of it. Obviously, you know, everybody wants to be understood.
00:32:31
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Yeah. Like autistic people are just, you know, definitely no different. Yeah. And then the mother like ends up crying because she's so moved by what's, what she's seeing. And Dr. Norm says, it is important to remember Gia actually doesn't actually care for your understanding. She doesn't care for your tears either. She cares for her understanding.
00:32:56
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Marma is an ancient technology of transformation. Through these marmas, you can communicate messages that go directly to the subconscious in a way that she can feel understood.
00:33:07
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um i have seen it work on thousands of children with great results over 30 years. She will listen to you, obey you and become happy and healthy. Um, then they're getting ready to go send her to the other room with Dr. Giovanni.
00:33:26
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And there's another family that's in the waiting area that they see when they open the door. And so Dr. Narm was like, he goes, looking at Gia's mother, Dr. Narm said, when I first met this man, this was like a woman An old, old woman and her son and his wife.
00:33:49
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And I think their children might be there too. um When i first met this man about 15 years ago, he was far worse off than your daughter. His mother had lost all hope.
00:34:03
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he He motioned to the elderly mother who had ah also entered the room. um he couldn't dress himself or speak more than a few mumbled words and drooled on himself all the time.
00:34:14
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All his mother wanted was for him to be a normal boy. After years of work, you see this boy boy grew into a man and now he's got a job and a wife. So,
00:34:25
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The elderly mother spoke up. Well, he's still not a hundred percent. Dr. Norm says, yes, but look, I mean, after all these years of following the deeper healing secrets, his brain grew and believe it or not, this boy who once couldn't say his own name is now married and has a job. He is supporting a home with his wife and a brilliant daughter.
00:34:47
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wow um So that, i mean, and like left out certain, some details and stuff. Obviously I had to not read the entire thing, but it just really, like I was saying to you the other day, like blew my biscuits.
Autism and Alternative Healing Methods
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I was just like, holy shit, you know? yeah So honestly, if if you have an autistic, I'm talking to the listeners at this point, if you have like an autistic or any, you know, differently abled person in your family that you have, you know,
00:35:25
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like any kind of access to like, honestly, i would pick up this book and try to learn some stuff. You know what I'm saying? That's just, yeah I don't know.
00:35:38
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i feel like because Western culture just treats this stuff so much more differently. And like, there's so much we can learn from other cultures and other healing modalities. And I just feel like it's worth a try, you know?
00:35:54
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Yeah, it should be it should be tried by everybody. And it talks about like, you know, Dr. Clint, the doctor who, the guy who wrote the book, he did online research after all of this. He was like shocked to read according to the U.S. Center. And this is like in 2010.
00:36:12
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so So things have changed, you know, 15 years. um According to U.S. Center for Disease Control and Prevention, there has been 600% increase in autism rates in the last 20 years.
00:36:25
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I discovered that one out of 70 boys is diagnosed with autism in the United States alone. That number does not include the millions of other children who are increasingly diagnosed with attention deficit disorder, ADD or ADHD, and other developmental and social disorders.
00:36:41
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Having seen GIA for only a few minutes, I pondered what life was like for each of those families looking into the solutions available to them. I couldn't find any mention of the ancient healing methods. I learned only that while Western meta medicine has no cure for autism, most of these children are given some form of prescription drugs, many which have troubling side effects.
00:37:05
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So, yeah, I mean, this is like you don't need prescriptions, you know I'm saying? Right. And then the prescriptions don't do jack shit anyways, right?
00:37:15
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Yeah. So I don't know, dude. And, you know, and the tough thing is to you that, like, I don't know. It's I don't know if this is it's probably not what was intended, but the way that he's saying autism rates have skyrocketed or whatever, it's like, no.
00:37:33
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diagnosis rates have skyrocketed that's true autism has always been around and just nobody had any like label for it yeah or like way to explain it or understand it yeah you know based on like you know just backwards we're not even backwards but you know old-timey yeah but also ways of thinking but like yeah like everyone's just like oh everyone's getting an autism autism diagnosis like thank god people can't no true and the other thing is that there's you know really super high functioning autistic people that nobody would have recognized were even autistic before yeah just like would have been labeled as like just a little bit quirky yeah
00:38:17
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Yeah. So those people are now getting diagnosed as well where they weren't in the past. So. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. Like your grandpa that's obsessed with trains.
00:38:29
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You know? Yeah. um Oh my gosh. So. We were going to get into Ayurveda, which I can't explain. Well, okay. They they do give a description of what that actually translates into. It's like the science of life, I think, is what Ayurveda stands for.
00:38:49
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i believe so, yeah. And then there's three doshas, which you take a quiz to figure out which one you are, or you read a list of symptoms and figure out which one fit the best. Well, okay. Again, yeah, not not the which one you are, but which one is most prominent.
00:39:04
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because everyone is always a combination of all three right um so it's not just like which dosha are you but like what are you predominantly you know dealing with yeah and i know for myself when i took this quiz i don't even remember how long like over a year ago at this point because it was just after anahadas i'm sure yeah last year ah ah i was completely unsurprised to see that i had predominantly heavy predominance in pitta uh which is say yeah
00:39:36
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fire water i believe um i believe it's uh no no not pitta that's the uh earth water um Vata, Pitta.
00:39:50
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And Kappa or Kasha or something? Oh, no, yeah. K-A-T-H-A? I think it's P, but I was right the first time. Pitta is the fire one. Kappa is the one that's earth and water. um And then Vata is the ah air and ether elements. And do you... okay so again you said you took the quizzes which i forgot that you did yeah but do you remember you said one of them you were confused about but do you remember what your primary result was no but it has to have been vata that's why i was like take it again no i think so because um in the other book which is oh my god
00:40:36
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Give me a minute. The recipe book? Yeah. in The one with more recipes? Yeah. yeah the That one is like not easy to find, apparently. um ah Because I got it from a library that was getting rid of it. like It was like a book sale. So it's out of print, probably? I don't know.
00:40:54
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oh me see. The last few... um
00:40:59
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When I was ordering the copies of the book for the last trilogy of
00:41:07
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not even Kushiel's at that point, it's the Nama's trilogy ah by Jacqueline Carey. I only got a hold of the first two and they were both old library copies.
00:41:19
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And I think, so I think it's actually out of print, which is a little surprising. Okay. Okay. Okay, hold on. gonna Are you looking for the the book title? Is that what you're doing? Yeah.
00:41:31
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Okay. Yeah. Because, I mean, maybe somebody can find it if they wanted to look for it.
00:41:39
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Okay. I was right. The book is called Sacred and Delicious, a modern Ayurvedic cookbook, and the um author's name is Lisa Joy Mitchell.
00:41:50
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Mitchell. Cool. So, anyway...
Ayurveda Principles and Self-awareness
00:41:56
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That book goes into more like of how to you know figure out for yourself which dosha you are. And according to that one, I'm more vata than anything else.
00:42:07
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Unsurprising. Yeah. Vatas have like major gut troubles.
00:42:18
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Yeah. Yeah. Lots of gas. Very. i mean, it's it is the air. Air and ether. Would be very gas heavy. yeah absolutely. Absolutely.
00:42:31
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Same way that like, I mean, like, again, when you're even like mildly self-aware about your own body and like how you feel and like what, you know, feels the best to eat versus what doesn't.
00:42:43
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Like, you don't even necessarily need to like take a quiz. You can sort of intuitively know what your predominance is, you know? So like, that's how I knew for sure you had to be Vata. I knew that I was Pitta. Yeah.
00:42:58
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Because my but like stomach acid can take anything. like Almost nothing makes me sick. I can count on like one hand. On two fingers. I can count on two fingers the number of times that I've had food poisoning.
00:43:13
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it's you know It's just like I can eat fucking anything. like I don't behave like I can eat anything for sure. like I definitely heed expiration dates very ah cautiously.
00:43:25
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But...
00:43:28
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Sorry. You're on mute, by the way. ah Sorry. I didn't know if you were, like, realizing that or not. Yeah, I was actually saying, oh, my God, that's so funny. And then I was like, oh, yeah, you didn't hear that.
00:43:41
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But, yeah, like, i I can definitely eat anything and really not have it trouble me. But, you know, on the flip side of that, like I have like an excess of ah stomach acid, like acid reflux is a problem. And like inflammation is a problem. Anything that's burny ah is obviously going to be the fire dosha, the pitta.
00:44:04
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So like it makes perfect sense. Yeah. Yeah. So. Between all of these these things, like, and clinton Dr. Clint is, you know, Dr. Clint Rogers is like talking about his first time in India and how things are so different over there. And um like, there's not one specific form, like one specific religion. There's like multiple different religions and spiritual like belief systems. And like, nobody judges anybody for what they want to do and how they want to,
00:44:41
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worship or believe and it's like that just sounds so fucking refreshing and and how like truly yeah there's there the whole philosophy behind um a lot of this stuff with the heat the healing the master healer stuff and like you know the ayurveda belief belief system or you know whatever you want to call that um is that everybody has gotten them and like the the culture in India is that you treat every single person like it's God themself coming to your door. Like doesn't it doesn't matter if you're busy in the middle of something and you're being interrupted. Like you, you don't take that out on them. Like you don't act annoyed. You treat them with the most like respect period and bring, you know, offer them to come into your home and you feed them and you do, you know, yeah you treat everyone like that. And it's like, Holy shit. I want to be in that culture.
00:45:36
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I really do. i what I want that culture to be here. like that's And that's the thing. like I mean, we could we have and we could go into extreme detail about like all the ways in which like Christianity is supposed to be that way.
00:45:58
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And simply has departed from that, you know, fundamental, basic, not even belief system, but just like behavior.
00:46:09
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yeah You know, just generally that is literally for that is literally Christlike behavior. And that is not what modern day, most modern day Christians in America seem to understand. They've completely lost the plot.
00:46:25
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Right. Right. so like But it just makes me want to travel there. Like it really does. Yeah. I want to travel there really bad and experience, you know, their culture firsthand.
00:46:37
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I absolutely do too. But I also feel like the best thing we can possibly do is like adopt those like behaviors for
Cultural Appreciation and Personal Growth
00:46:46
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ourselves. Mm you know? Yeah.
00:46:49
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And like, if anything, lead by example with the people in our lives about like, here's how, you know, cause we, we have a ah lot of ah Christians who are really, ah you know, questionable on their Christlike behavior in our lives.
00:47:07
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Yeah. Each of us, we have a lot of really good Christian people in our lives too, but like, you know the leading by example that's that's ultimately what i want to do with like the people that i know who like i said lost the plot um you know and Like one of the things that I love to be able to fall back on and it's, it's almost a little bit of a flex, but it's also like, so not because it is truly like how I operate is that like my ethics, my politics, like everything, like the way that i live my life is guided by love.
00:47:52
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Mm hmm. And like at the end of the day, people who disagree with me on like the things that, you know, they love to get all uppity about, like, you know, fucking MAGA people, like all that shit. Like they can't say the same thing.
00:48:10
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Right. they They fundamentally can't say the same thing because that is like, they are led by hatred and fear and like,
00:48:22
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yeah or they just can't get they don't practice what they preach or they don't even like believe that like what they have been taught you know growing up in christianity and church uh is even relevant anymore and it's just like you hear any noises going on behind me behind you no yeah i hear people hear people above me okay There's lot of noises going on down here right now. Sorry. Oh, no. It's okay. i don't I don't really hear anything, but I don't know what's getting picked up.
00:48:55
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Yeah. um But yeah, like the ultimately, like it's just ah they get like trapped by their own hypocrisy.
00:49:07
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And like they can't get judgmental. Yeah, you know, they can't. And it's just like the moment that they realize like, oh, like You're right. Like, none of what I believe is guided by love.
00:49:22
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Like, you know, how deep of a hole have they dug them dug for themselves that they like, you know, it's gonna take a lot of humility to try to get it, get out of it. um And like, i I'm not saying like, pointing any of this out for the purpose of like, you know, being like, look at me, I'm so much better than them.
00:49:42
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But like, more so, I want to be able to create a society that, that does that, but, you know, that that's here.
00:49:54
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like And the only way that I can think of to do that is by living it myself and leading by example. Yeah. I did hear something just then. Yeah.
00:50:06
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Okay.
00:50:10
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Yeah. And I've been purposely trying to be more present when I'm speaking to people, like more intentional and like listening better.
00:50:22
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Like, if I can't hear what somebody just said, I will stop and look at them and be like, pardon? Because, like, I don't want to just act like I heard what they said and just keep going. You know what I mean? And so it was, like, stupid. But today I was picking up some carryout and the girl was like, and I was like, oh, pardon? And she's like, have a good day. I was like, oh, thanks, you too.
00:50:43
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You know, I was like, even though it was something like she's just being like, you know, have a good day or whatever. Yeah, just like her usual like. Yeah, I still wanted to make sure that she felt seen.
00:50:57
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Yeah. When I was leaving. yeah And you never know you never know like when that is going to have a major impact, especially on someone in like food service or customer service who like deals with really shitty people all day, yeah for sure.
00:51:12
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So like you never like you know even if it's just one out of ten times that you do that, like the way that it like really impacts somebody positively It's so worth it.
00:51:26
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I just can't, I can't fathom not wanting to operate that way. Yeah. And it's like, kids I don't know if my hearing is getting worse, but like ADHD has always been a thing. And if somebody is speaking loud enough. Auditory processing is awful. Yeah. I can't, ah if, you know, like there's too many things going on around me or too many noises or whatever.
00:51:48
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i don't hear people that well, unless they're being louder, you know? And so when people are talking and I just didn't hear them, like, I'm just like stopping and looking right at it and being like, i'm I'm sorry, what? You know, like, you know, just making sure that they know that I'm actually interested in whatever they said, you know?
00:52:07
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Yeah. So I, I, I've been catching myself being that way more and more lately and I'm just like more, I'm happier for it, I guess, you know?
00:52:18
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Yeah. But if people were, you know, purposely trying to be like that with each other more, then I think life would be better. Society would be better.
00:52:29
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We wouldn't be where we are currently in society with politics. Like, yeah, we wouldn't be facing the things we're facing right now if if people just like took a second and like we're simply kind and like led with love.
00:52:44
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Yeah. Goddamn. Yeah. yeahll I just want to emphasize how good this book is and i i feel like it's going
Indian Culture’s Impact on Life Philosophy
00:52:54
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to change my life. I swear to God.
00:52:56
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So i want people to like read it and I, you know, I want people to like like benefit from it. I'd be more than happy to come back and talk more about it in a future episode too.
00:53:07
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Yeah. yeah And you know, the whole... you know, transcendental meditation started with like, it's it was, it's an indie, you know, it started in India. It's like, you know what i mean? i but i just believe that that their culture is just so much, they have so much more to offer, like then people realize, like, s swear to God.
00:53:29
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Yeah. And I have so much respect them now. People look at them like fucking, you know, third world country yeah like all that shit and it's just like no like it absolutely like people's access to like you know western technology and and like and fucking anything honestly no we don't have anything to fucking offer the rest of the world what the fuck i don't care like i swear fuck that fuck that shit i fucking hate this place yeah i mean get me out of here we are all ego driven over here and it's bullshit
00:54:04
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Yeah, I fucking hate I'm sick of it. God damn. Yep. Please. Please learn. Learn the ancient ways. Oh my god. Because there's so much value.
00:54:18
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Yeah. So much value. So true. Anywho. Yep, that's it for me. Yeah. I love it. I'm grateful that you wanted to talk about this um because i and I'm glad that you i mean you kept emphasizing like it's not about um Ayurveda. It's not just Ayurveda. I'm like, okay, but like i don't know what I don't have another word for it. like I don't know what else to call it. but like You're right. It's like it's like way bigger than that. and I absolutely fucking appreciate that.
00:54:50
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so Yeah. Good. Yay. and yeah yeah yeah Alright everybody. We outies. Yeah. We gotta we gotta to wrap this up. We are on a time crunch today.
00:55:03
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00:55:47
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00:56:02
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i Seriously. Okay. That's it. by Bye bye. We love you. See you next week.
00:56:43
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me let me Let me do a quick... Oh my god, I'm sorry. i just hate myself sometimes. Okay, I don't really hate myself. you not... I don't hate myself.
00:56:56
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Good. Hold on. I love myself. Yeah, say it again. I love myself. Say it again. I love myself.
00:57:07
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Good. Charity? I don't know. That's not the right...