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Abigail Puccioni on German New Medicine, Resolving Conflicts, Holistic vs. GNM, Symptoms, and More!
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This episode marks one year of podcasting! We are delighted to have Abigail Puccioni on to discuss an extremely important topic: German New Medicine (GNM). These teachings are at the forefront of the paradigm shift occurring before our eyes!
This episode ties in very well with the one we did with Dr. Melissa Sell. Today, we discussed some fundamental underpinnings of GNM, including the role of symptoms and the significant difference between the GNM paradigm and the old holistic paradigm.
We also discussed conflict shocks and how GNM approaches healing conflicts, focusing on practical resolutions versus perceptual resolutions.
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00:00:01
beyondterrain
Welcome everybody to another episode of the Beyond Train podcast. I'm your host, Leo Dalton. Very special episode today, episode 52 that marks one year of doing the podcast. It's pretty exciting. I'm pretty excited about it. Uh, we got a great guest today in a fascinating topic, German new medicine. This topic interests me so much and I, I don't know enough about it. And so I'm learning here, you guys are learning. This is just the most perfect episode to have on the one year mark. Um,
00:00:30
beyondterrain
We have Abigail Puccione here and I'm super eager to to hear her perspectives. Um, we're going to delve maybe a little deeper into German new medicine today. We had a great introductory type episode with, uh, Melissa cell there earlier. Um, so it might be beneficial to go back and listen to that before you dig into this episode here. So, um, Abigail, thank you so much for coming on today.
00:00:54
Abigail Puccioni
Yeah, thanks for having me. I'm really excited to be here
00:00:57
beyondterrain
Awesome. So first of all, I want to get your take on health, your definition of health, what it means, what it looks like, how it manifests. You can take it any direction you want, but what is health?
00:01:08
Abigail Puccioni
Okay. Oh, this is a juicy question. Put me on the spot here. Let's see. I guess my definition of health now that I know about German New Medicine and the five biological laws, I would really define health as your perception. um I think that's ultimately what it boils down to because our the the way that our psyche is perceiving the world around us is what will determine um the tissue adaptations that take place in the body.
00:01:42
Abigail Puccioni
So of course, um, and I know Dr. Melissa cell, uh, who was one of my mentors in the, in the episode that she did with you, which I listened to. Um, she goes over this about the three exceptions. So, you know, of course there's injury, uh, malnutrition or toxicity, like poisoning poisoning. And those are exceptions to the five biological laws.
00:02:03
Abigail Puccioni
But fundamentally, my understanding of health is going to be perception-based. So um the the symptoms that we end up experiencing, almost almost all of them are going to be coming from our perception of the world around us.
00:02:21
beyondterrain
Well, but yeah, and so we kind of reduce disease to being caused by toxicity, deficiencies or traumas and we kind of distinguish between physical and psychological trauma.
00:02:32
Abigail Puccioni
yet
00:02:33
beyondterrain
So I guess German news medicine is really dealing with what I would always say are the psychological traumas in a way, not that the word trauma is necessarily used though.
00:02:46
Abigail Puccioni
Right. So for a conflict shock, uh, for, for something, a traumatic event, let's say to qualify as a conflict shock, as we know it through the lens of GMM, it has to be, um, highly acute, distressing and catch you off guard. And you had to feel emotionally isolated in the moment. So the biggest one for me, though, the biggest, um, kind of criteria there that I always look for is that element of shock.
00:03:10
Abigail Puccioni
or surprised that um it caught you unprepared. You were not expecting it. and You also mentioned um you know toxins right and even traumas. I feel like they get grouped in together a lot. and so People you know are like, oh, toxins are out to get me. right There's this bad external thing. and This could be viruses, toxins, germs, whatever you want to say. There's this external bad guy that's out to get you. right and so a lot of people, even in the mind-body realm, they will start to view emotions and traumas in the same way. Like, oh, this bad emotion is stuck in my body somewhere, you know, where I have this, you know, anger trapped in my liver or something like that, which, you know, is that helpful to view it in that way, right? And I'm i'm not saying that there's no truth to this view of the body, but um because certainly the mind-body
00:04:07
Abigail Puccioni
connection is a huge part of understanding German new medicine. That's really, um I would say fundamental to making this paradigm shift. And certainly that's how I got into German new medicine is starting to ask a lot of questions and going from the integrative health world into kind of the mind body realm. And then I found GNM and that's when it was this really light bulb moment and everything just kind of fell into place. And it was like, Oh my gosh, this, this is the framework for understanding what I already intuitively knew to be true.
00:04:43
Abigail Puccioni
And I think that's the beautiful thing about GNM and the five biological laws. ah you know It goes by other names too. Germanashe Halkunde is the official name in German, or Germanic healing knowledge, or La Medicina Sagrada in Spanish, the sacred medicine, and all those are such beautiful names.
00:05:02
Abigail Puccioni
I also like the Germanic healing framework. Um, but it's usually, at least in the the U S it goes by German new medicine, G and M. So I just kind of call it that. So people know what I'm talking about, but yeah, this framework for understanding health and the body and that everything we experience, uh, physically, as far as symptoms is coming from a conflict shock that you experienced a moment in which you were caught off guard.
00:05:29
Abigail Puccioni
uh, you know, emotionally unprepared for that in which, um, you felt emotionally isolated in that moment. And of course it was distressing, you know, this isn't the surprise of a, um, surprise birthday party, you know, which for most people might be a more positive being caught off guard, but this is a more of a negative caught off guard. And really the simplest way to understand a conflict shock is anything that you were not emotionally prepared for.
00:05:56
Abigail Puccioni
something that you were in biologically. I would say, um, I always say that G and M is not psychosomatic. I like to use the term psycho biological. So it's something that you were not prepared for that caught you off guard. And in that moment, your body starts adapting and Melissa goes over this really well in the episode she did with you. Um, there are different patterns of adaptation, depending on which tissue layers affected. And then we get into talking about, you know, the different parts of the brain that control the different tissue layers because Dr. Hammer, the guy who discovered German new medicine, um, he based all of his discoveries essentially in the, in the study of embryology. And so this is really where it's, um, coming from. So yeah, going all the way back, I kind of started to go on a tangent there, but what
00:06:46
Abigail Puccioni
what you brought up about trauma and even toxins, you know, trauma is not just the equivalent of a toxin, right? This bad thing that happened that's causing bad things in the body, but rather if there's a moment in which you are caught off guard by something and your body deems it advantageous for your survival to try to help you adapt, it's actually biologically meaningful and biologically sensical. And so this is the essence of this huge paradigm shift is really reframing things to view symptoms in the body as, ah for for the vast majority of symptoms, there are signs that you've resolved the conflict and that you're now in
00:07:30
Abigail Puccioni
the healing phase or the repair phase and your symptoms are actually evidence of that tissue restoration process taking place.
00:07:40
beyondterrain
ah Very well put. um Yeah, we take a very similar lens here. um You know, the demonization of symptoms and of, you know, even the word trauma for considering like psychological traumas.
00:07:51
Abigail Puccioni
yeah
00:07:54
beyondterrain
I don't like calling it that I always have like a little asterix.
00:07:56
Abigail Puccioni
yeah
00:07:57
beyondterrain
I'm like, a trauma like, you know, these are events that shape our worldview and um our bodies and our minds adapt, right? We adapt to things that happen to us and
00:08:07
Abigail Puccioni
Sorry.
00:08:09
beyondterrain
Um, there may be times where it might become maladaptive down the road where it's no longer serving us or or things of that nature. But again, it's like, you know, there's this sort of distinction in the mental health field now that it's like big T trauma versus little T trauma. And we're talking about big, huge trauma, traumatic events, like maybe going to war, you know, seeing somebody close to you die or different things like that. And those might be extreme, extremely traumatic events, but you know,
00:08:38
beyondterrain
little things like, um, you know, things you wouldn't necessarily deem as a trauma, you know, can still play an effect on your body. Like you're talking about here, anything that kind of puts you in a distressed, a distressed state, right? So, um, being caught off guard and, and then our bodies and our minds have to have to adapt to this. I think you, you really put that beautifully. And so, um, you know, there's a, there's a problem, I think in this,
00:09:09
beyondterrain
new sort of new wave holistic paradigm that's going on. Um, like we talk about natural paths, often employing a completely allopathic model. You know, you go, and at least from what I've heard, I've never gone to see a natural path. I know there are great natural paths out there. You know, I'm not trying to speak of them as a field, but I feel like generally, you know, they're, they're employing this supplement to fix your problems, right? And they're,
00:09:39
beyondterrain
there's vested interest there and, um, in selling these supplements and things like that. And it's kind of still an allopathic fix. It's like, Oh, you, you're low in this vitamin, give you this vitamin. And, but there's something deeper going on with that imbalance and it's not being addressed, um, different things like that. So I feel like we've kind of been greenwashed and tricked in that way a little bit. Uh, but I think what you're talking about here in this difference in this whole shift is,
00:10:06
beyondterrain
just a more positive outlook on what's going on. Like for us, it's, we look a lot at at germs and and things like that. And, you know, these are not to be demonized. They are serving a very important purpose in our body. Uh, you know, when they are at the site of disease, they're cleaning things up. They are not the root cause of an illness. Often there's something that lies deeper that needs to be addressed. So, um, very well put, very well put. Anything you want to add to that or.
00:10:31
Abigail Puccioni
Yeah. you know You mentioned the the trauma thing and and how a lot of people can get really hung up on that and using that language and, oh, I have all this trauma stuck in my tissues and I need to get it out. you know is that Is it helpful to view your body in that way? right And also what I find, even in the G and&M world, people We'll view, let's say, conflict shocks that maybe they experienced in childhood that that started an adaptation and then it you know becomes what we call a hanging healing when the healing process is never able to fully finish out because you step on what we call a track or you can think of it as a trigger.
00:11:08
Abigail Puccioni
And, and I can dive more into that in a moment if you'd like, but basically people get really caught up on looking back at the past and thinking about, Oh, okay. Oh, my, my dad caused this conflict shock for me, or my mom is the reason I have this conflict. Right. And what is that doing? That's just, that's keeping them in a state of victim hood and not taking radical responsibility for their health.
00:11:33
Abigail Puccioni
And therefore, they won't be able to access their greatest amount of personal freedom. And for me, and they have every right to do that, right? There is stuff, I mean, every single client I work with has had stuff happen to them that should not have happened to them that is not right, that is not fair, they didn't have you know, their parents showing up for them in the way that they deserved as a child. Right. And so ultimately this is about recognizing, okay, maybe this adaptation started in childhood or maybe it started later, but in childhood, you know, our perceptions are being primed, our psyches are being primed to see the world in a certain way. And of course this starts in childhood. It starts from the, from the moment of conception, I believe.
00:12:17
Abigail Puccioni
you know our The way that we view the world around us is inevitably shaped by parents and our community and the culture in which we're raised, the stuff we watch on TV growing up, our childhood friends, family dynamics, what you know the aunts and uncles and grandparents are saying as they sit around the table at family gatherings. right This all shapes our perception. And so people can obviously have the freedom to go back and be like, oh, that's that conflict shock was because my parents had this fight. And so what does that do? though that That keeps them feeling a bit stuck and hopeless and how to actually resolve it and move forward because they're not really aware of the personal freedom that they have available to them.
00:13:04
Abigail Puccioni
which is really to to understand that, okay, maybe this started here and this is how it's really all about awareness. um And I know but Melissa emphasized this as well. When they have awareness of perhaps where it started, instead of playing the blame game and remaining in that state of victimhood, how can we actually through awareness recognize where it started, but then take our own power back and move forward with realizing I'm no longer that little kid, you know, that that has these these needs that a child has, right? Or I'm no longer in that vulnerable state. I'm an adult. I have personal freedom. I can choose to craft my life into moving more towards what I want.
00:13:51
beyondterrain
And I guess that's all just a part of the process of growing up.
00:13:53
Abigail Puccioni
Yeah.
00:13:54
beyondterrain
Right.
00:13:55
Abigail Puccioni
Yes.
00:13:55
beyondterrain
ah You know, I, I remember, um, Dr. Gabe Roberts mentioned, you know, we're all victims of our childhood in some respect, right?
00:14:03
Abigail Puccioni
Yes.
00:14:03
beyondterrain
You know, it's, that's what shapes our worldview. And so our worldview as a child might be different than what is going to serve us as an adult. Right. And, you know, sometimes we're going to have to shift our worldview.
00:14:14
beyondterrain
And sometimes that's not a ah simple thing to do. Right. Because our mind. It's very interesting in this respect, you know, where, you know, once we adapt to something, we kind of get into this stuck in this mindset and you have to really do something, take a step back and realize, okay, like, you know, you can, you can do something about it, but that responsibility piece is, is huge, is absolutely huge.
00:14:29
Abigail Puccioni
morning
00:14:39
beyondterrain
And, um, to me, that seems to be the biggest
00:14:45
beyondterrain
hold back on society nowadays. It seems like there's a lack of responsibility and a lot of victimhood.
00:14:48
Abigail Puccioni
Yeah.
00:14:51
beyondterrain
um But you mentioned tracks and triggers.
00:14:55
Abigail Puccioni
Yeah.
00:14:56
beyondterrain
You want to expand on that a little bit?
00:14:57
Abigail Puccioni
Sure. Yeah. The concept of a hanging healing.
00:14:59
beyondterrain
Thank you.
00:14:59
Abigail Puccioni
So I always use the same example to explain this. um One of my friends was like, wow, that's a really violent example. And I'm like, well, I guess I'm just in the post-mortal constellation.
00:15:10
Abigail Puccioni
I don't know. um Which we can get into what a constellation is. what a constellation is later on but anyway imagine that you got stabbed by a knife right a stab wound in the arm well the body will naturally start to repair that tissue of course we see this all the time even just from a little scratch our body repairs itself it knows what to do So, you know, maybe you put a bandage on it, you know, you kind of get the bleeding to stop, right? And then eventually the skin will try to move back together. It will start that repair process and it will probably be really painful and swollen and a lot of inflammation, right? Or could even have what ah we would call an infection, which is just a body, ah the body moving through a repair phase being assisted by microbes, which as you said earlier are
00:15:57
Abigail Puccioni
our little helpers, they're the cleanup crew, they're the repair crew, right? So anyway, you know, we we know that the body does that. So imagine though, that The very next day, you know, you have it bandaged up, you, you take the band aid off and you restab yourself, you know, just with a little tiny knife, you just kind of keep poking it. You know, you keep picking at it, you keep picking the scab off, right? Is that ever going to really heal when you keep interrupting the repair phase process, you're not allowing the body to finish that tissue restoration process. So of course, in the stab wound example, the stab wound, um,
00:16:33
Abigail Puccioni
That is like experiencing a conflict shock. So we experienced something that caught us off guard, right? That we were ah emotionally isolated, unprepared for something, you know, that we weren't able to handle and process fully in that moment. And then what a track is, or we could think of it as just a trigger is basically sticking something in that wound every day.
00:16:55
Abigail Puccioni
So, you know, imagine you have a fight with your partner that caught you off guard and you experienced a conflict shock from that. And the body starts to adapt in some way. Well, then the next day, uh, maybe you don't actually get in like a fight again, but say your partner becomes a track for you. So seeing that person, or it could even be specifically seeing that person in the kitchen, where the fight occurred.
00:17:19
Abigail Puccioni
or the track might not even be your partner. The track could be, um say if you were in the kitchen cooking when it occurred, being in the kitchen cooking could become a track. you know or Or if you got um shocking news from a text message, you were on your phone and you opened a text message and you you find out something you know shocking, right catches you off guard, something someone said something nasty about you or left a nasty comment on your Instagram or something, you see that, well, guess what? Picking up your phone or opening up Instagram could become a track or a trigger. And so when that's happening on a sometimes daily basis or even multiple times per day, it's no surprise that we then have
00:18:01
Abigail Puccioni
chronic symptoms, where the body will naturally start to move into resolution. So say if we do find a moment where we okay we we resolve the conflict, we make up with our partner, we have a conversation, but then the next day, maybe they use a tone of voice. That's not quite a fight, but as maybe that tone of voice is a red flag to our psyche, and these alarm bells start going off in the psyche like, oh,
00:18:25
Abigail Puccioni
we need to go ahead and run this biological program. We need to go ahead and start this tissue adaptation to go ahead and help you in advance. Because last time your your partner used this tone of voice, something bad happened that caught you off guard. So now Uh, in case this happens again, we're going to go ahead and start adapting early. So it's basically the body being very proactive. And so that's really what a track or a trigger is. And, and I think people will probably resonate with the word trigger because I think that that that's used quite frequently, you know, like, Oh, like.
00:19:01
Abigail Puccioni
I don't know, bad weather is a trigger for my headaches. Well, I wonder why you probably experienced a conflict shock when that bad, bad weather was occurring. And so we, we use the language in GMM that got tracked in. So that got tracked in as a trigger. And so that now becomes something that in your psyche, it's like this, um, alarm system. And so your body, uh, and all of its infinite intelligence and wisdom starts running that adaptation for you.
00:19:27
Abigail Puccioni
And so that's essentially um the GNM perspective on chronic symptoms.
00:19:34
beyondterrain
Amazing. Well put again. Yeah, it's, uh, that is certainly the popular one to trigger, get triggered. i think Using, using the popular language can be really helpful in, um, trying to convey this information.
00:19:41
Abigail Puccioni
yeah
00:19:48
beyondterrain
So that's good. That's good. But I liked that the idea of tracking it in. Yeah, that's interesting.
00:19:53
Abigail Puccioni
But just as a side note, this is all subconscious.
00:19:53
beyondterrain
Really cool.
00:19:56
Abigail Puccioni
So it's not like when someone says, Oh, I'm, I feel triggered.
00:19:57
beyondterrain
Yeah.
00:20:00
Abigail Puccioni
You know, that, that, that they've brought that into their conscious awareness, which is great. And they're aware that this particular person triggers them, right? At least emotionally gets them feeling activated. But what I'm talking about here is actually more accessing our primal animal mind, if you will, and the subconscious. So a lot of times people will have tracks and have no clue that that's a track for them.
00:20:27
Abigail Puccioni
they really are not aware of it at all. And actually that's part of the um the work that I do with clients to help um dissolve tracks. I mean, allergies are a great example of tracks. That's that's a perfect example. um So when you bring it into conscious awareness and like, oh, the apple is actually not the problem, it's that I experienced a conflict shock five years ago while I was eating an apple. Oh, okay. This makes sense now. Cause I wasn't allergic to apples my whole entire life, right? It started five years ago is when I started reacting to this thing. And so it makes sense then that, like well, when it can make sense to that person, that is what can actually help to resolve the tracks.
00:21:14
beyondterrain
So kind of bringing it into that conscious awareness is a big part of healing these conflicts about
00:21:16
Abigail Puccioni
Yeah.
00:21:19
Abigail Puccioni
Yeah. Well, I'm specifically talking about tracks, but yes, also with conflicts.
00:21:23
beyondterrain
tracks.
00:21:24
Abigail Puccioni
Um, when someone, and I'm not saying that just bringing it into your conscious awareness is enough in and of itself, but sometimes it is.
00:21:25
beyondterrain
Okay.
00:21:37
beyondterrain
Okay. Really cool. Really cool. So maybe we can get into conflict specifically.
00:21:43
Abigail Puccioni
Sure. Yeah. Okay. Like resolution.
00:21:46
beyondterrain
you want to take it away and just kind of give us a little like, what, like you kind of mentioned conflicts a little bit, little spiel on that, and then get into how are we, how are we handling these? How are we dealing with these conflicts that come up? And how is it related to these tracks? Like, is it that's the first trigger is the conflict type thing? Maybe just kind of clear that up.
00:22:05
Abigail Puccioni
Sure. So a really easy way that I like to kind of separate this in my mind is to think of one-time symptoms and chronic symptoms. So let's, let's think about just a one-time symptom, like your annual so-called flu, right? So Usually if you have more than one symptom, that means that you've experienced more than one conflict shock. And it could either be from the same conflict event or perhaps the initial, and I see this happen all the time. Say if the initial conflict that you experienced was a can't swallow conflict. Okay. Something that you just a situation, you couldn't swallow it and you.
00:22:46
Abigail Puccioni
Um, resolve that because I think we do resolve, we can talk more about resolutions later, but, um, I do think we're meant to naturally resolve things when we're ready to resolve them a great deal of the time. Our body knows how to resolve things. You know, we, we naturally move towards resolution as we move through life. For example, things that were conflicts for you as a child, for a lot of people, they outgrow those conflicts, you know, something that was important to them as a little five year old.
00:23:15
Abigail Puccioni
um, you know, not wanting to leave mommy or something. Well, then when they start making friends in middle school and start being interested in the opposite gender and dating and all this stuff, well, then the conflict about you being attached to mom is no longer really relevant. So a lot of times I find that especially children, and then as they move through their life journey, um, we outgrow conflicts. We naturally will resolve them. So what happens with a one-time symptom though, like a,
00:23:44
Abigail Puccioni
ear infection, sore throat, um sinus infection, anything like that, is that we have experienced a conflict shock and then we go into the conflict active phase. And I think Melissa goes over this too in the episode she did with you, if if people want to refer back to that for a more thorough explanation.
00:24:02
Abigail Puccioni
by you have the conflict shock, and then you're in conflict active for as long as the conflict remains unresolved. So then, you go into you know when you have the moment of resolution, which can be described as when this when the stone falls from your soul, or when that conflict is simply no longer applicable, um and one of Dr. Hammer's lecturers, his name is Helmut Pilhar,
00:24:26
Abigail Puccioni
a famous quote from him is that a conflict is is resolved when you can either laugh about it or you know that it cannot happen again. And so a lot of times we just naturally move to resolution when you know something that seems like a really big deal to us last week or say a conflict that happened when we were on family vacation and then we come back home again to the normal swing of things and That's simply no longer relevant. And so our body is like, Oh, we don't need to adapt anymore. Cause that's no longer an applicable conflict situation. Danger threat threat is passed, right? And so then you start to have the healing phase symptoms. Um, and just generally this is when you have.
00:25:05
Abigail Puccioni
a higher body temperature, headache, when you have swelling, inflammation, so-called infections. This is when you have um you know redness, itching, depends on the specific program that's running, what specific adaptation you're experiencing. But in the case of the can't swallow conflict, that's what would lead to a sore and inflamed throat, right? And it would hurt to swallow. That's actually evidence of that tissue repair process taking place.
00:25:35
Abigail Puccioni
And so, um, a lot of people say if they have to go to work and they are in the healing phase, so they're feeling pretty fatigued and they have a headache and they have a sore throat. And they're like, gosh, this sucks. The stinks that I'm sick because now I have to call in remote to work and now who's going to take care of the kids, blah, blah, blah. Right. So you can see how that person from that symptom might then experience a stink conflict, which that's the conflict shock that would lead to an adaptation of the nasal mucosa. So that is actually what would lead to a stuffy runny nose, right? That's what would lead to, or even a so-called sinus infection. That would be evidence of a more intense stink conflict, whereas a very mild stink conflict might look like just a little sneezing.
00:26:23
Abigail Puccioni
So can you see how the initial symptom of that the the one conflict that was already resolved, already done with, then the person experiences a new conflict shock that had nothing to do with the conflict that say they experienced on the family vacation or something, but rather the conflict shock for that was experienced in terms of the symptoms that they were having from the initial conflict's healing phase?
00:26:51
Abigail Puccioni
So, you know, when they're having the symptom, they're like, this stinks, this sucks. And I see this cycle then with chronic symptoms too. So we talked about one time symptoms. Um, but then chronic symptoms, I would explain that, um, the typical healing phase won't last longer than six to eight weeks. And that would be for a more, um, an adaptation that went on for a longer amount of time that had more of a higher, what we would call conflict load, which is just, it's an equation really. It's a combination of.
00:27:20
Abigail Puccioni
conflict intensity, how intensely that conflict ah conflict impacted your psyche, and then conflict duration. So how many days, how many weeks, how many months did you remain in that conflict active state not having found a resolution? you know And this might be um you You know, when you're, you lose your job, right? And then say, if it's um a few months before you find a new one, and if, what, if you were in conflict active that whole time, um, with, but there's so many different potential conflicts that could come from that shocking news of, Oh, finding out you lost your job or you got fired. Um, then that conflict, you, you wouldn't go into resolution, um, until. Well, we can talk about perceptual resolutions in a little bit, but the practical resolution for that would be.
00:28:09
Abigail Puccioni
finding a new job. Um, and obviously the biological purpose of that, why we would need to resolve that practically is okay. How are you going to be able to survive and pay to feed yourself and pay the bills, right? So, you know, it's in in that case of practical resolution is probably your best bet. Um, so yeah, but with the chronic symptoms, we usually are going to define this as a symptom that has come and gone.
00:28:34
Abigail Puccioni
Um, for a, for a duration of time, more than six to eight weeks. So if you've been dealing with a symptom on a pretty regular basis for like at least like two months, then that's safe to say that you're stepping on tracks, right? That you are moving into resolution.
00:28:51
Abigail Puccioni
but you're not actually able to fully complete that tissue repair process because you step on what we call a track or that trigger. so you are um and Of course, this can be a food, this can be ah a scent, this can be a person, this can be Uh, looking at picking up your phone, right? This can be so many things, but often what I find is that it's, you have to look at the underlying thought pattern. So for a lot of people, um, there's this underlying thought pattern that actually is the track. So for example, if you're experiencing, um, say if you had a self devaluation conflict, say you're, um,
00:29:32
Abigail Puccioni
mother made, I don't know, and a nasty comment to you, um, that you interpreted that as a self devaluation. Um, and I'm trying to think of like a specific example, like, I don't know, your mother said something critical about your appearance or something. Right. And you perceive that as a self devaluation. And you with the flavor of feeling, let's say feeling unsupported, or I feel like, Oh, I, I,
00:30:01
Abigail Puccioni
I'm devaluing myself in terms of needing support from other people. Um, so I guess, yeah, maybe the mother critiquing appearance isn't the best example, but, um, let's say, let's say there's a breakup. That's that someone goes through. Okay. And they interpret that breakup as, Oh, now I feel unsupported. Um, I'm just trying to think of like a kind of generic one, but anyway, so say if they naturally, uh, kind of move through resolution and they, you know, come to.
00:30:30
Abigail Puccioni
Even just going to sleep and waking up the next day or something and they eventually come to kind of resolve that underlying conflict and they they realize, oh, you know, I, I, it is safe to accept, uh, help from other people. And I do feel supported by people in my life and all my friends are bringing me food or, you know, whatever. Like I, you know, I don't just need that support from a partner. I don't know, something like that. And so then you start to go into the healing phase and you start having pain and you could start having back pain or any, any sort of chronic pain. Okay. And so then you, um,
00:31:05
Abigail Puccioni
you know are are having, you're in that healing phase, but then this is what becomes a very common track that I see. The track is actually about the symptom itself. So then when they have the pain, then they think, oh no, I've hurt my back. Something's wrong with my back. Oh no, I got to go you know see the doctor and say they do a scan and they say, oh yeah, you know you have degenerative changes in your back. i the This is something that happened to me. um You have herniated discs, which I can actually tell you my um my dad's and a neuro radiologist and he has told me multiple times because I have two herniated discs in my back and
00:31:43
Abigail Puccioni
He always says, you know, if you were to scan anyone off the street, they would probably all have herniated discs. So having a herniated disc on a MRI right in your spine does not necessarily mean that that is the source of the pain.
00:31:59
Abigail Puccioni
And actually I had experiences myself where um I had doctors that were about to do surgery on me and they were like, well, wait a minute. Like when you describe the pain that you're having, it's not really lining up with what we would expect from the specific um segment of spine. Right. So Anyway, so think thankfully, they stopped me from having that surgery way back when, but um I'm just you know kind of trying to give a generic example here. But imagine that this person um then has this belief, this subconscious belief that gets, let's just say, tracked in, that their back is
00:32:37
Abigail Puccioni
broken. Their back is no good. I have a bad back. I'm weak. Well, guess what? Now you need even more support, right? Now you even have that story going tenfold about that. I'm, I feel not only do I feel unsupported, but I'm devaluing myself in terms of feeling like I need this support from others. Cause I need someone to help me carry my groceries. I need someone to help me do this and do that. Cause I have a bad back.
00:33:04
Abigail Puccioni
So, you know, it's just in its most basic form, you can see how this can become the track that they're literally thinking this thought every time that they're having that healing phase symptom. And so they're never actually able to finish out that healing phase and like turn off that program.
00:33:22
Abigail Puccioni
because they keep running that program because their psyche every single day is encountering um these these thoughts and these beliefs that you're operating on that is determining an advantageous for that program, that tissue adaptation to be able to continue running.
00:33:42
beyondterrain
yeah Sometimes we would talk about the diagnosis being like a magic spell being placed on people.
00:33:48
Abigail Puccioni
Yes.
00:33:49
beyondterrain
We're kind of seeing a really good explanation and mechanism on how that's happening right now. Um, kind of puts you into that stuck mindset, right? That, um, that's really interesting.
00:34:00
beyondterrain
So what's the cost of symptom suppression then like taking painkillers or taking ah like in this case, if you have back pain, take a painkiller or like, um,
00:34:11
beyondterrain
say taking like an anti-inflammatory, non-sterile anti-inflammatory drug, if your throat is sore, stuff like that. Like what's what's the opportunity cost there? Is that kind of worsening the situation? Definitely, but how so?
00:34:25
Abigail Puccioni
So my belief on this is that your beliefs about the medication or supplement or whatever it is that you're choosing to use are vastly more important than that substance itself. So actually what I see a lot of in the holistic world is people who are, maybe they're in a lot of pain from an adaptation or an actual injury. Okay. And they like refuse to take any painkillers because they're like, oh, it's so toxic. That relationship with that thing and that fear-based belief of, oh, the pharmaceutical industry is out to get me, that's going to cause way more harm than good. You see where I'm going with this? like So in my view, your um approach to taking certain things that might be
00:35:15
Abigail Puccioni
ah helpful for you to take to maybe get some pain relief or some symptom relief. I think that it's totally fine to do that if you're approaching it from the right mindset. And so when you know the five biological laws, you know which phase you're in. Okay. Is this an active conflict symptom? Is this a healing phase symptom? Am I in a hanging healing? Do I understand the underlying conflict?
00:35:40
Abigail Puccioni
And if you do, then you're able to utilize certain, uh, interventions or different, let's say bandaid fixes, ways of supporting the body to get some symptom relief, but you're able to do that in an educated way knowing, okay, yes, I'm in a really intense healing phase right now.
00:36:00
Abigail Puccioni
And I am really suffering, so I'm going to take this substance to kind of pull myself out of the healing phase. And so in the healing phase, you know, a nervous system b lingo, that's when you're in a state of um the parasympathetic state.
00:36:15
Abigail Puccioni
And then when you are in the conflict active state, so before you've resolved that conflict, you are in more of a um sympathetic nervous system state. So when you are in that parasympathetic state, this is this is when we have the really, the vast majority of troublesome symptoms, I would say the pain, swelling, inflammation, discomfort, you know infection, whatever.
00:36:37
Abigail Puccioni
So when you're in that healing phase, and if it's really intense, especially if you know, Oh, I was pretty conflict active for a few weeks. And you can determine this by, did you have preoccupied thinking? Did you have trouble sleeping at night? Do you have cold hands and feet? Uh, did you lose your appetite a little bit?
00:36:54
Abigail Puccioni
You know, do you feel like you're a little bit, uh, kind of jacked up on caffeine? You know, if you, if you feel those, um, signs and symptoms of being more in conflict active and you were in that state for a few weeks, you know, okay, I might have a more intense healing phase. So now how can I start to downgrade it? How can I start to, to kind of ease into resolution? How might I be able to best support my body? Um, and then when you do resolve the conflict and say, if you have a, you know,
00:37:24
Abigail Puccioni
more intense healing phase or if you're in a hanging healing and you haven't quite figured out how to resolve that underlying conflict, um then you know using something like a ah supplement or pharmaceutical or whatever, but from the perspective of, oh, I'm going to take this ibuprofen just to you know kind of give myself a break to make sure I can sleep at night, you know kind of ease the pain a little.
00:37:46
Abigail Puccioni
But then, you know, I know that my body is going to move back into completing the healing phase. Like I know I'm kind of temporarily taking myself out of it. And so I might be prolonging the healing phase, but sometimes in my opinion, that's worth it.
00:38:03
beyondterrain
Amazing. Wow. Yeah. What a great take on that. Mind over matter. Fear is always worse than anything. Yeah.
00:38:08
Abigail Puccioni
Yeah.
00:38:09
beyondterrain
I think it's once you get into that mindset that you're like, I need this to be healthy. Like even if it's a supplement pharmaceutical, whatever it is, like I need this. Drug or supplement to be healthy and whole and complete as an individual, like that's kind of the bad way to take things and look at it, right?
00:38:18
Abigail Puccioni
be Yeah.
00:38:27
beyondterrain
Like that's the thing that's going to, that dependency, right? Um, really interesting. Great, great. Great spiel on that. That's, that's fantastic. like Yeah. Yeah.
00:38:38
beyondterrain
Very cool. So maybe we can get a little bit of, I know you've kind of touched on, you know, the practical versus perceptual resolutions a little bit. Maybe I could just hear like a, you know, one versus the other, like real cookie cut and perfect.
00:38:52
Abigail Puccioni
Yeah, sure.
00:38:54
beyondterrain
yeah
00:38:55
Abigail Puccioni
So simply put a practical resolution is when the external circumstance changes, whatever, you know, caused that initial conflict shock when you're, you know, say if you lose your job and then the the practical resolution is getting a new job, you know, so that's where the external circumstances are changing.
00:39:17
Abigail Puccioni
And, um, I'm not going to say that's the best way to resolve a conflict. That's certainly the most straightforward way and kind of tangible way to resolve a conflict. Now, a perceptual resolution is when nothing in your external world changes.
00:39:35
Abigail Puccioni
But you change your perception of the world changes. And so, you know, talking about the importance of the psyche and perception, how our psyche is perceiving the world around us will determine what conflicts were even eligible to experience. And that's the way that I like to describe it. So and and I ask clients this all the time. Who do you have to become to no longer be eligible to, to, to even experience this conflict. You know, so say if they're having this, um, separation conflict about, uh, a partner, right? I see this all the time. Um, uh, usually I work with, with women and they have this partner or husband or whatever that they're there with, and they have this push pull energy about, well, I, I, I want to be with them, but then I don't.
00:40:31
Abigail Puccioni
right like i I want to be with him, but I'm also kind of questioning it. I don't know if he's the right one, but oh, but I don't want to break up with him. Oh, but I want to draw him close, but I want to push him away. right It's this push-pull energy, and that's the essence of what a conflict is, is really this split energy. I know Melissa has described it like this. It's a split energy about anything.
00:40:53
Abigail Puccioni
And so this is where I see a lot of people also getting into these chronic ah conflicts because they continue um staying in a chronic conflict. So they have, yeah, chronic symptoms are coming from chronic conflicts and really If you, you know, if the stuff about hanging healings and tracks and triggers just feels a little overwhelming, the most basic way I can explain this is that the chronic conflicts in your life are what are, are what's causing the chronic symptoms. So, you know, chronic conflicts equal chronic symptoms. And that is the simplest way I can put it. So of course, um, you know, that's,
00:41:35
Abigail Puccioni
That's really what it's about is looking at, okay, where is this push-pull energy at? Who would I have to become to no longer feel conflicted about this relationship that I have going on? And in that situation, I mean, they do need to take a practical Um, step of either breaking up with the person or viewing them as no, this is my person I'm all in, you know, let's, let's work on this relationship. I am going to change my perception so that I view them, um, like in a more positive right way, right? Like what do I need to do to feel better about this essentially? So, you know, in that, in that situation though, if they.
00:42:17
Abigail Puccioni
don't take an action if it's like, oh, like I'm kind of with him, but I'm kind of not. Like if if it's remaining in that split energy, they're not resolving that conflict. So really the best way to resolve that conflict is you get you got to pick, right? You got to pick and and commit to either staying with them or separating. So that, I mean, that's just one example, but, um, you can see how, you know, this can get, this can get tricky to resolve when, when there is that split energy. So of course, like the, the first example I gave of the practical resolution, that's very cut and dry. Um, and sometimes I have clients that do have
00:42:54
Abigail Puccioni
a really great practical resolution available to them, which is so cool. I worked with one client. um I think eventually i'm I'm going to have her on um the the podcast that I have to to share her story, but she had a tumor or a lump in her breast.
00:43:12
Abigail Puccioni
And she came to see me and it was about um this, you know, specific situation. She had never told anyone about it. And that's immediately like a huge red flag for me. Cause I'm like, Oh, when someone feels like.
00:43:27
Abigail Puccioni
but They can't, that there's so much shame around it that they've never even told anyone else. Well, guess what? That's highlighting that emotional isolation aspect of what a conflict even is. And so even her coming to work with me was kind of a first step of like telling someone, you know, and and this could have been a friend or someone else that didn't need to be me, but, um, you know, her telling me. And so, you know, we talked through, we found the initial conflict shock that started this adaptation for her that, um, you know, cause this lump had been there for a long time.
00:43:57
Abigail Puccioni
And so we looked into, okay, what's, what's causing it to persist and to, to grow and then shrink a little and then grow and like, you know, to, to continue changing. And there actually was a really, um, kind of clear cut practical resolution available to her. I was like, okay, you need to, you know, like write this personal letter and you need to, you know, open up, dan tell your husband about this, like, you know, and, and I kind of gave her some You know, a little homework and she messaged me like two weeks later and she was like, I did what you said. It's like completely gone. Like the lump was just gone. Um, she had five nights of night sweats because it was a endoderm program here. And, um, this program utilizes mycobacteria and the healing phase, um, specifically TB bacteria.
00:44:47
Abigail Puccioni
And so she said she had like five nights of night sweats when that, um, that cell growth that had occurred or let's say the tumor, um, was being broken down. And then it was just, it was gone. And she actually had a, like a thermogram before and after, um, which was, it was cool just to see it, you know, but for her, that was a really, I mean, that's a great example of like a,
00:45:07
Abigail Puccioni
practical resolution. Like she took that step. And I would say that's still part of it's still a perceptual resolution, but she was taking practical steps to facilitate that resolution. And so often instead of keeping them so separate, I'm all about, okay, what can you do perceptually to help facilitate a practical resolution? But then from the other direction, what steps can you take practically to then also help change your mind around it? Right? like Think about the people that you hang out with, your friends. um That's a huge shaper of perception. The content that you consume on social media, that shapes our perception, right? how much time you spend with i mean the The time that you spend with people in your life, they are shaping your perception.
00:45:55
Abigail Puccioni
So a practical step, if the people that you're hanging out with and the content that you're consuming, what do you spend your day thinking about and doing? right And if you're constantly focused on stuff that you don't want and the the people that you're spending time with and the content you're consuming is creating not a great outcome and you're having a lot of chronic symptoms and stuff. Well, how can you change the input to then change the output, right? Like how can you actually take practical steps towards, let's say hanging around people
00:46:30
Abigail Puccioni
that you admire, that you want to be like, that you know that are positive and that make you feel good and supported instead of spending time around people who are complaining about all their aches and pains. you know I mean, that's that's really a huge shifter of perception, um and it can come down to those little decisions that you make throughout your day. like How can you take tangible, practical steps to facilitate a perception shift?
00:46:59
beyondterrain
Amazing. You know, there, when you're talking about the perceptual shift, you know, that's, that's really interesting. Are you dressing it mostly cognitively?
00:47:09
beyondterrain
Like, are you trying to get deeper than that? Like on the subconscious realm, spiritual realm, you know, because I'm just kind of thinking of like psychotherapy and thinking of like, what, what's helping people actually change that perception, that worldview, you know?
00:47:25
Abigail Puccioni
Sure.
00:47:26
beyondterrain
So maybe you can expand a little bit on that.
00:47:29
Abigail Puccioni
sure Um, are you familiar with Dr. Bruce Lipton and the biology of belief?
00:47:35
Abigail Puccioni
Yeah. Okay. So this isn't, you know, straight G and M, but I, I love his work. I love his book. Um, I think it's actually a great compliment to, to G and M and in the work I do as a practitioner.
00:47:35
beyondterrain
Yeah.
00:47:47
Abigail Puccioni
So. I focus a lot on what are the subconscious beliefs that are running the show, right? what Yeah, really looking at, okay, what are your subconscious beliefs? And then, okay, what can we replace those with if they're not helping you? If they're not giving you the perception you want to have, you know, think about you're viewing the world through a certain lens. Well, let's get a new pair of glasses and change the lens through which we're seeing the world. And this is going to be dependent on what are those subconscious beliefs that you have programmed in. And so some people do find certain types of psychotherapy or
00:48:24
Abigail Puccioni
the brain retraining or different modalities that target you know rewiring the subconscious, that can absolutely be helpful to people. But then I also see some of that stuff um where where people are doing it and they're not getting any better. They're not getting results. And the reason why is because they're individual perception. Do they believe in it? If someone believes in, I don't know, someone who is completely ah you know, crazy spewing all these different theories that have, you know, no basis in reality or science or whatever, but someone really believes in that. I would bet you anything that would still do a lot to shift their perception and resolve conflicts. I really, I mean, you see it a lot with, um, even, you know, religious beliefs, right? There, there isn't just one true right religion because everyone has a different opinion on that, of course. And so, you know, you see people from all different religions and faiths and
00:49:21
Abigail Puccioni
denominations and different ways of um viewing the world. And for a lot of people, if they really believe that, I think that that can be super supportive to them um based on their level of of belief, really. So ultimately, I think whatever modality, ah whatever therapist, whatever way of thinking about the world,
00:49:42
Abigail Puccioni
um that they can all shift perception. But the thing is, you know do you really believe in it? Is that actually shifting your perception in a way that's going to help you? And so certainly for me, learning G and&M and the five biological laws has shifted my perception on health and for a lot of people, including myself, even just learning this body of knowledge has dissolved so many chronic symptoms because why? Because it's changed my perception of the symptom. The symptom is no longer a bad, scary thing.
00:50:17
Abigail Puccioni
Often a lot of people are, yeah I would say that the main conflict people are experiencing um at its most basic level, it all has to do with fear. So any fear-based thinking is going to really keep you stuck. So what beliefs can you move towards instilling? Like i I believe that we get to choose the beliefs that we want to instill. We get to choose and we have the responsibility to choose how we want to view the world around us and is that serving us? And so ultimately it comes down to the individual, what therapist, what modality do you feel most supported by? What most aligns with your own inner truth? What resonates the most with you as an individual? And that's why my definition of truth actually is what moves me closer to peace and away from fear?
00:51:10
Abigail Puccioni
And so when I'm considering a new belief to instill or a new modality to to try, right? I'm thinking about, okay. doesn't move me to closer to peace or fear. So a lot of people I find they're trying ah different therapy. Say they go to work with a psychotherapist because they're looking for that person to fix them. Like, Oh, I'm really suffering and I need to get rid of the symptoms. So I'm going to go to them and so that they can fix me. Right. So what do you think that relationship with that person, you know, what's going to be the output of that? If it's, if that, um,
00:51:45
Abigail Puccioni
connection or choosing to work with that person is based in fear, then my guess is it's not really going to go it's not going to go in the direction you're you're probably thinking it's going to go in. So, you know, same thing with different modalities. If you're running um to get this new biohacking device thinking that, oh, this is going to fix me, right? Oh, my body needs this to detox.
00:52:08
Abigail Puccioni
Um, that's still ultimately fear-based. So again, if I wanted to do, I don't know, use, um, red light or get a massage, it's like, Oh, it just, it feels really good. It feels supportive. I love how I feel after I use it. You know, that's more the vibe, right? That's the direction I want to go in. And that's, you know, even if it's, um, someone that I'm wanting to work with to um you know help get a different perspective on the conflicts I'm dealing with. and I want to talk through some stuff um because conflicts are normal, guys. like we're We're going to experience conflicts through our life. We can't avoid them. We can build resiliency, I think, to have maybe less intense conflicts. and This is where overall health and wellness, I think, comes in. We can become more resilient. but
00:52:55
Abigail Puccioni
um we can't We can't avoid them. it's It's part of life and it's biologically meaningful and sensical and it's um our body's way of kind of giving us a system upgrade. In that view, um you know if if I'm dealing with a conflict and I'm like, you know i'm This is becoming a chronic conflict for me. Like I just, I haven't found a way to either practically resolve it or to shift my perception around it, you know, and I'm struggling with that. Then yeah, I would consider going to a trusted, um, you know, probably ah a fellow GMM practitioner of some sort and getting some support and saying, Hey, can you help me view this in a different way? Can you give me your outside perspective on this? Because maybe something they say is going to cost me to go, ah,
00:53:41
Abigail Puccioni
I had thought of it in that way. That's a great idea. You know, that's a great view of that. And it might help me um have this perception shift to be able to um resolve that.
00:53:53
beyondterrain
Well put. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just thinking like that attunement piece from the practitioner is really important, right? Attuning to the client, to their needs, to their worldview, you know, and, um, it kind of just brings up a thought in my head here.
00:53:59
Abigail Puccioni
and
00:54:07
beyondterrain
You know, when working with a practitioner, you know, I don't necessarily demonize that either. And, but that perception that you're talking about, you know, are they going to fix me?
00:54:18
beyondterrain
They need to fix me, whatever.
00:54:18
Abigail Puccioni
the
00:54:19
beyondterrain
That's the more harmful view here. And I think it's really important to go see a practitioner that doesn't think that they're going to fix you. You know, I think that's a huge piece, you know, because a lot of the ego involved there too, you know, ah you know, I'm a whatever and I can, he I can heal you while everyone heals themselves.
00:54:29
Abigail Puccioni
Right. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:54:41
beyondterrain
And if your practitioner doesn't know that, avoid them.
00:54:44
Abigail Puccioni
Yeah.
00:54:44
beyondterrain
a
00:54:44
Abigail Puccioni
Do they view that your body is broken, right? Do they view symptoms as a sign that your body's going haywire and malfunctioning? Um, yeah, totally.
00:54:57
beyondterrain
Amazing. Well, I think now might be a good time to ask for your final thoughts on the episode. Anything you want to add, anything you want to that we might've missed. Now's the time. Bring it up a little bit.
00:55:05
Abigail Puccioni
Wow. Yeah. We were going like all over the place. so Um, yeah, I think just emphasizing, cause I'm sure a lot of your listeners are very familiar with the holistic realm.
00:55:09
beyondterrain
i think
00:55:14
Abigail Puccioni
And I find that a common misconception when learning German new medicine and realizing that this new GMM paradigm, this way of viewing health in the body is so drastically different from the holistic paradigm that they have this.
00:55:31
Abigail Puccioni
let's say, I don't know, identity crisis of like, Oh, so do I just have to discard all of that? Right? Like, do I just, what do I do with that? Like, you know, my, my supplements and my biohacking, like, what, what do I do? Like I have the, I'm having this existential crisis here, which by the way, it can lead to a new conflict. Um,
00:55:49
Abigail Puccioni
So, you know, when, when learning GMM, and that's what I really recommend that people do is learn this knowledge for themselves, learn the framework. You'll find that, you know, you can still enjoy eating healthy food, you know, reducing, yeah, let's say toxic exposure. Cause I'm, I'm sure that's not overall like the best thing to support health and resiliency. I think we know that we're dealing with a lot of.
00:56:15
Abigail Puccioni
substances in our modern world that are not really biologically natural. So I think it's okay to acknowledge that and acknowledge that certain things can be quite supportive for the body without approaching it, um, from a fear-based perspective where like, I need this stuff to fix me, or that this toxic exposure that these bad foods are the cause of disease. Because again, you have people that eat, um, uh, you know, not super great diet and, you know, don't do anything to reduce toxic exposure and just, you know, living really mainstream normal life eating McDonald's every day.
00:56:55
Abigail Puccioni
and are totally healthy and fine right probably because in their mind it's not a problem like it's not you know that's that's um not a big deal for them and they're really chill and they're just kind of this you know look at their personality the people that you know that don't have chronic health symptoms that just kind of eat whatever do whatever pay attention to, okay, how are they viewing the world? What's the language they're using? How are they talking about themselves and their bodies? you know Just as ah as a side note, but um really all this stuff in the holistic world because that that paradigm is so different because it is very similar, I think, to the conventional paradigm in which there's a bad guy out to get you. There's the
00:57:37
Abigail Puccioni
you know, there's the external baddies, there's the things to fight against, you know, let's um boost the immune system. And actually, when you learn G&M, you realize that the concept of an immune system is non existent, right? So, and which that's a that's a whole different topic. But anyway, um You know, you, you realize that in the holistic world, the toxins are the new viruses or something, right? Like it's just, it's a new bad guy to fight. And so can you view, can, can you step into the G and M paradigm and play around with that and see how it feels and try it on, right? It's like trying on a pair of glasses. How does that feel? And so once you learn this framework and you understand that, Oh,
00:58:19
Abigail Puccioni
The conflicts that I'm experiencing in my life, which is coming from how I'm viewing the world around me, that's what's leading to these tissue adaptations, which create symptoms. So when you have that new kind of fundamental piece of knowledge, how can we then, knowing the law of two phases and you know knowing at where we're at in that tissue restoration process,
00:58:40
Abigail Puccioni
Oh, wow. I, you know, eating this way during this phase makes me feel really good and supported. And when I get enough sleep and when I'm, you know, taking care of myself and exercising and, you you know, living a more, let's say biologically natural lifestyle, I'm more resilient and I feel less prone to conflicts. And, you know, I, or when I experienced conflicts, they're perhaps less intense. I'm in a more resilient place mentally, like using the physical to kind of boost the mental, right? But, you know, fundamentally when you have, um, two people or a whole family, let's say living in a a house that has toxic mold, um, the, the toxic mold is not the cause of the symptoms. Like it could be a track, but it is not in and of itself causing symptoms if it's not affecting everyone equally. And that's where with G and M we deal with like the, there can't be any exceptions. So, you know, that, that
00:59:37
Abigail Puccioni
toxic substance for something to be a true toxin, it would have to affect everyone equally based on factors like weight and and height and stuff like that. But that's where we're like, oh, okay. And even with um you know foods and stuff, right, people that they they claim that this food causes cancer, no, this causes cancer, this causes cancer.
00:59:56
Abigail Puccioni
Um, but even with the people that have cancer, why the different types of cancer? You know, one person that had a really toxic life and a bad diet and you know, all this stuff, they get breast cancer and another person gets lung cancer. Well, you know, why, why the difference or people that lived in a close proximity to a cell tower? Um, not everyone's getting cancer. And even then it's not the, even the same type. So it has to make sense that the body adapts following a predictable pattern.
01:00:24
Abigail Puccioni
following, let's say a predictable, a map. So ultimately when you're looking at that holistic paradigm and you're looking at the GNN paradigm, when you're transitioning paradigms. Um, you don't have to throw the baby out with the bathwater, I guess is what I'm trying to say. You can still do things that feel supportive to you and that, you know, are helping your kind of overall health and wellness and resiliency without connecting. Those things are rather lack of doing those things with specific symptoms and disease.
01:00:59
beyondterrain
Well, you're absolutely bang on with everything that you're saying here. It's, it's truly amazing. Um, but especially that, that piece on, I really appreciate this most, the piece about toxins not affecting people like in a standard way based on all these physiological factors.
01:01:19
beyondterrain
I think that's a very, very important point to stress. It's exactly what we were talking about with the flaws in materialism and empiricism and things of that nature.
01:01:26
Abigail Puccioni
know yeah.
01:01:27
beyondterrain
Um, you know, it, it kind of, when you get into the depths of it, you know, people jumped from that, blame the germ, blame the toxin. And then everyone kind of realizes eventually, well well, maybe these have less to do with it than, than we thought, which is kind of a hard little hill to get over.
01:01:43
Abigail Puccioni
Yeah, or even.
01:01:47
Abigail Puccioni
Yeah, or like we were saying at the very beginning, blaming the bad emotion, blaming the bad trauma, right?
01:01:47
beyondterrain
Sorry.
01:01:51
beyondterrain
Yeah. Blaming them down a bunch. Absolutely. Yeah. Amazing. Amazing. Um, one thing I've noticed that you brought up, you know, is when looking at people who live long lives, like centurions, things of that nature, again, they could drink Coke every single day and, you know, toxin, right. And, uh, you know, eat a standard American diet, seed oils, whatever, whatever it is, whatever thing you want to demonize. There are people who live very long, healthy lives who consume this stuff all the time.
01:02:23
beyondterrain
My, what I notice is always a strong mind, resilience, you know, like ah a positive outlook, a strong spiritual connection, you know, faith and hope and um there is no fear.
01:02:28
Abigail Puccioni
Yeah.
01:02:39
beyondterrain
They, they, it doesn't serve them and they don't serve it. You know, they, They could care less about that. They're, they're resilient. And I think that's one of the things that I notice in really healthy individuals and people who live very long lives.
01:02:52
beyondterrain
And I honestly, I think that is the fundamental key secret to longevity.
01:02:57
Abigail Puccioni
Yeah, absolutely.
01:02:59
beyondterrain
Yeah. Yeah. No, that's great. And so people learning about GMM, obviously this episode is a great starting point. Any other resources that you would like to share on where to kind of get into this?
01:03:14
beyondterrain
Moving from maybe this episode. miss Melissa Sal's episode was great too. Go back and listen to that one.
01:03:18
Abigail Puccioni
Yeah, no, it was. Yeah, definitely listen to that one. Um, so I'm a really big fan of learning through podcast and I do have my own podcast with my co-host Ashley that's called freedom from fear, a German new medicine podcast.
01:03:23
beyondterrain
Yeah.
01:03:31
Abigail Puccioni
And that, um, actually start specifically with episodes five, six, two, and three in that order.
01:03:32
beyondterrain
Cool.
01:03:40
Abigail Puccioni
for a really good bite-sized crash course in GNM basics and fundamentals, and we go into the history of it. and you know So if you're if this peaks your interest, I would check that out. um all The the podcast link to the podcast can be found on my website, um which is abigailpuchoni.com. I also have different offerings, ah coaching offerings for Um, I actually don't really like to consider myself a coach. I consider myself more of a G and M educator where I educate you on the root cause of your symptom. If you want to see this from a new perspective. Um, so if you'd like a little extra support, I do offer that. You can also connect with me on Instagram. I try to provide.
01:04:26
Abigail Puccioni
know, some bite-sized education there in my content. It's AJ Pucconi, which I'm sure will be in the podcast description, so I'm not going to spell that out. um But yeah, I also do have a GNM mentorship program where I um basically created a very thorough comprehensive advanced education in German New Medicine for those really wanting to dive into the nitty gritty and get a really thorough education in GNM. And this is specifically geared towards um holistic practitioners who would like to integrate the GNM paradigm and and framework
01:05:08
Abigail Puccioni
Into perhaps the work that they're already doing so again even if they're you know using a certain modality or doing a certain type of um you know psychotherapy or um Brain retraining or you know whatever they specialize in a massage therapist or a lymphatic massage therapist or a breath work facilitator and learning the GNM, uh, framework and getting a really thorough, you know, deep dive education in that. But then we're focusing on how to actually integrate that into your practice and how to kind of incorporate, um,
01:05:42
Abigail Puccioni
Yeah, the genome framework into your offerings so that you can do what you do best and what you're passionate about and what you're trained in already, perhaps, um, but from a new, I would say more empowering perspective of health. So I do offer that so you can just reach out to me if you're interested on Instagram. I don't have anything about that. Um,
01:06:01
Abigail Puccioni
publicly on on my site, you just have to reach out to me. um But yeah, I also have a free G&M resources PDF that if you shoot me a DM, i'd I'd be happy to email that to you. And that has some of my different ah free or low cost resources for self study.
01:06:20
beyondterrain
Amazing. Wow. Well, thank you so much for your time. Thanks for coming on and sharing all this beautiful wisdom with us.
01:06:24
Abigail Puccioni
Yeah.
01:06:25
beyondterrain
It was an amazing episode.
01:06:27
Abigail Puccioni
Thank you.
01:06:29
beyondterrain
Certainly. And I want to thank you all for listening. You should all know that this is not medical advice or psychotherapeutic advice or anything of that nature. It's for your informational purposes only, but also remember that we're all responsible, sovereign beings, capable of thinking and criticizing and understanding absolutely anything. We, the people in the greater forest are together, self-healers self-governable self self-governable self teachers, and so much more.
01:06:49
beyondterrain
Make sure to reach out if you have any questions, criticism, comments, concerns. Love chatting with you all. You all have great comments on the episodes. You guys help me learn more every single day, every single message that I get. You guys are awesome. Love you all. Really appreciate you all for taking the time to listen. um If you did enjoy this, give us a like, share, comment, subscribe, whatever you got to do on the platform you're on.
01:07:11
beyondterrain
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