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Surprising doors that lead to more success with Britney Campbell, Kayley Bishop & Laura Lea Bryant
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This episode contains 3 interviews with incredible women from a live event in Nashville, TN. I had the privilege of interviewing Senior VP in marketing & PR at Legends Bank and founder & co-Creator of Her Bank Britney Campbell, established author and musician Kayley Bishop, and certified chef, publish cookbook author, founder of LL Balanced and holistic breakup coach Laura Lea. Tune in for 3 deep, authentic, vulnerable and engaging conversations about the guts, grace & gratitude that is required for us all to live a brave life.
We chat:
- Each woman’s sliding door moment that propelled them towards success
- Taking risks even if they don’t feel logical
- Why listening to your intuition will steer you into the right direction in life
- Making hard decisions in the moment for long term happiness
- Finding your pillow people
- How you talk to yourself matters
- Living the life you want without seeking permission from others
- Why it’s ok to ask for help & allows others to help you
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Transcript
Introduction: Tiffany Napper and her podcast journey
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Hello, hello, you're about to hear a very special episode of This or More because this is my first live podcast. I sat down in front of a live audience at an event in Nashville, Tennessee to interview three incredible women, Brittany Campbell, Kaylee Bishop, and Laura Lee Bryant. And we talked about their sliding door moments in life. Before and after they made some sort of a big and sometimes scary decision and how that played out in their lives. You're going to really love
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the honesty, the transparency, the authenticity of these conversations. So let's dive in. Welcome to This or More, a wild entrepreneurial podcast adventure for bold and brave creatives like you. I'm Tiffany Napper, your host, holistic business coach, corporate music industry dropout, a seasoned five-time multi-six figure entrepreneur, yoga instructor, and your go-to gal for heart-to-heart coffee chats.
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On this show, we're not just here to share stories. We're here to ignite a fire within you and make you realize that the reality you envision is just the tip of the iceberg. You're wildly capable of achieving that reality and so much more. So my friends, grab your cup of inspiration, settle in, and let's dive into another inspiring episode of This or More.
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Hello, beautiful people. It's always so fun to see your faces and see all the energy in front of us. I'm so excited to be here. I'm so excited for you all to be part of this first ever live podcast of this or more. So thank you for having your energy and being in this room.
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I'm going to get straight to it. We're about to have three really special, really authentic, really deep, really vulnerable conversations with three amazing women. And you're going to hear about more alchemists who kind of dance between the dark and the light. They're going to hear more stories about what it looked like for them to walk through doors that might have been a little scary at times.
Brittany Campbell: Authenticity, Healing, and HerBank
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And you're really going to hear about the guts and the grace and the gratitude that is required for us to all show up and live this really brave life. So without further ado, can I welcome Brittany back up to the stage, please?
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Yes, okay. So as you already heard, I'm gonna say this again because it's a live podcast, right? And we're gonna need this on recording. Brittany Campbell is Senior VP of Marketing and Public Relations at Legends Bank. She is the founder and co-creator of HerBank. She's also a client and a dear friend of mine. I was also in the room when the very first conversations were happening around the idea of HerBank.
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And it's just someone I admire for not just your pure authenticity and your really bold and big ideas, because you're filled with them. We have pretty deep conversations quite a bit about these visions that she really does just truly alchemize into the most incredible experiences and your creativity. I mean, at the heart of everything you do, there's just so much creativity in what you do. So welcome to the podcast, Brittany. Oh, thank you so much for having me.
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It's so fun to have friends on the podcast. I love it so much. We knew you, when you came to me, you said, I want to have the event. It's going to be the third year of celebrating the birth of her bank. And the concept is going to be the door to more.
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And right away, I kind of knew probably where you were going with that, because again, I was involved in the early stages of you coming to me and saying, hey, I've got this idea, and I think I might want to work with you on bringing this idea to fruition. And it was birthed in the room that we're recording this in right now, the room we're all sitting in right now. But talk to me a little bit about
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Like before all of that happened, before we'll go to 2019, 2020, right? Before all of that happened, I want you to take us back to 2015. We're going back in time. Okay. I want you to take us back to 2015. What had just happened in your life?
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that maybe at the time felt like a valley moment. Like, okay, we're not on the rise. We're not at the top of the peak right now. This feels a little bit like a valley moment in life. Can you tell us all what had just happened? Well, I just went through the worst breakup in the history of breakups is what happened. And it was in May. So not that we planned anything in May around that, but just coincidentally, it happened to be in May and it was really, really bad. Yeah.
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And that break up, you've shared with me a little bit, but talk a little bit about we're human beings. At the heart of everything that we do, we're human beings. Sure, we can be badasses and bosses and all of these things, but we're human beings. So I know you've shared before that that felt like a really not, I hate this term, but it kind of felt like a rock bottom moment for you. And what was the real kind of,
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Describe how you were feeling, what was really going on for you in that season.
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I think for me, I'm always really dedicated to my work, but I think I'm always very dedicated to relationships in general. And my work and personal life has always been very integrated, even in that relationship. So you think kind of two leaders in a community that were involved in some of the same things. And I actually have at least one person in the room that was definitely very involved in that chapter of my life.
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And I think for me was my initial gut is to pour back into work immediately almost well actually to the point of burnout. It was, you know, I don't really want to feel these feelings. I don't want to deal with the situation that's happening.
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How can I reallocate that energy into something else? And I think because it felt so public to me that I lost a lot of self-worth in the process of not feeling enough, not feeling that I could make this work. I can make everything else in my life work. Why can't I make this relationship work?
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And, you know, so it was just, you know, and the fact that there was someone else in that picture didn't help at all. And so I think going through that process and just realizing that, you know, there was nothing that I could do to fix what was broken. I had to really not just pour into work, but I had to actually do the work. And that took several years of healing.
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Yeah. And we've been joking, if there's any Taylor Swift fans listening or in the audience, we've been joking quite a bit that the next, I don't know, four years or so felt to you like that season of I can do it with a broken heart. Let me tell you, those lyrics hit home so.
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If you've heard it, you know it, but that is, I'm so depressed to act like it's my birthday every day. You're not gonna see me looking like I'm sad, looking like I'm affected by this. I will show up to the events with you and your new girlfriend. And I will do it with a smile on my face, with my hair and makeup done, and we'll just cry about it later. Yeah, and I know we can all relate. We've all experienced a season in life
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of heartbreak or loss or devastation of some degree where it's like, I don't have time to like really feel my feelings. I kind of feel like I've got to get back up on the horse. You, in those next couple of years, you know, did start to kind of rise again in your community at the time you were living in Clarksville.
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which is where you're born and raised, and we're really a leader in that community. And I know there was a season, I don't know, maybe 2019, if I'm remembering correctly, where you were now with, it was called Leadership Middle Tennessee, right? You had secured your spot there, which was something you had kind of been aspiring to, and it felt like you were kind of getting your feet underneath you again, and Brittany was back, Brittany's back, okay? There was a quote that you said,
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Maybe you were sitting in a meeting with Leadership Middle Tennessee. I'm not sure. But there was a quote that you said you heard that woke you up and made you realize. Yeah. And kind of tying this back to the whole like meeting of doors. There had been some doors that I closed in a time frame where.
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I had applied for leadership Middle Tennessee very early very young did not get in felt very rejected and was like I don't need you I'm never gonna apply for this again and then that season that happened in 2015 and kind of going through that process I was like I'm gonna apply again because I really feel like I need a community I want to get out of the box of this you know community that felt very
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closed in at that point on me and I ended up making some amazing friends and really truly the friendships that I made with these people that I didn't even know which really sort of carries a theme for me in that next level up but I knew that there were people in that room that had I gone through the program when I actually applied would not have given me the same experience as I did when I took that next opportunity to be in that particular class and
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Not long after having some conversations where I said, I don't know what it is about this particular group of people, but I know everything happens for a reason. And I feel like there's going to be people in this class that I'm in now that are going to change my life. And I had not had Nashville on the radar a move because nobody in my family moves away, by the way. Everybody is still in Clarksville.
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And that was really a catalyst for me and not very long after that kind of sitting with a lot of different feelings of feeling stuck and uninspired in a lot of ways. I was just scrolling through Instagram as you do and this one particular post popped up and the message just said, you can't heal in the environment that made you sick. And it literally punched me in the gut because I was like, that's exactly what's happening.
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I'm just sitting here stewing in this environment that is not really helping me thrive. I am punching at everything, trying to make something work, trying to move up in a career, trying to, you know, I had great community, I had great friends, I was very blessed, but there was just something in me that was like, I want to do more. And that just sort of led down a path of what would this look like if I moved. And it wasn't like an easy path, but it was just one that I was determined to do.
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And I think we talk about doors. I always think about those sliding door moments in life. And I feel like this was one of your sliding door moments where you were faced with two options. Stay where you are. Keep doing what you're doing. It wasn't bad by any stretch of the imagination, right? So you could have done that. That would have been quote unquote safe. That would have been comfy. Or you could choose the other path, which is take a leap of faith and do something you've never done before. And spoiler alert.
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She took the leap. Yeah. So talk to me about making that decision, choosing that door and saying, I'm going to go to Nashville. I'm going to pick up my life. I'm going to go.
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You know to a community where I don't have the connections and I don't have the clout that I have here in Clarksville and I'm going to kind of rebuild. Yeah. So I'm not like a super risk taker so just kind of I only moved an hour away. Legends Bank has locations here so I didn't have to change jobs that didn't have to like you know really kind of blow up my life.
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In a sense, so there was some like safety nets there But when I tell you the number of times I cried with my realtor who happens to be my cousin and telling him that I Don't know like if I can afford this life because it's very different in the life that I want Am I gonna be eating like ramen noodles and like, you know the generic brands a food and he's like even if you do like
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Do it anyway. That's not going to be your reality. But I could have given him, and I did give him very tearfully, a lot of reasons that I should not make this move. I was scared to death that I wouldn't have enough money. There were things for me personally. So when I talk about things around like Herbank and part of my why is because I literally was someone that has been
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surrounded by finance my whole life like my grandfather was the community banker of our community so I had all the resources and still was like feeling at almost 40 like I didn't have enough and I had plenty so just you know there was a lot of fear involved in making what I felt like was just such a huge leap and uprooting my life yeah and you moved to Nashville was this 2019 yeah 2019 okay
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So you made the leap, Eddie convinced you, made the purchase, bought the house, faced some of those what we call money mindset, toxic dragons, you know, limiting beliefs that a lot of us as women can relate to just, you and I talk about this quite a lot, like not realizing what we have, or being guilty of putting our head in the sand and not really looking at the numbers and
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and all of the work that I know you've been doing and I've been doing for many, many years to get much more confident, understanding, owning, talking about numbers. So you come to Nashville, and you've made this big leap. What next? What did that look like? Oh my gosh. So I'll just tell you that I live not far from here, like less than a mile from this place. So I got here, wanted to feel a sense of community. What's the restaurants around me? Where can I go shop? All the girly things.
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I had in my Instagram had followed some people that were a part of L&L. So if you remember living with Landon, I had followed her for years. She had a store that was part of the build out here and somehow got
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that they were building a co-working space for women. And I was like, holy smokes, what is that? I want to be a part of that. So I started immediately following. And that was the fall of 19. I don't know when those posts started happening, but it was not too far from when everything shut down. So I moved here just a few months before things got real crazy. Things got crazy. We had no idea what was
Community and Growth: Brittany's Nashville Story
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coming.
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And so you were set up living, you know, starting to live your new life in Nashville and Instagram once again plays a part of your, I don't know if you're noticing a trend here, but Instagram once again plays a part in this next door that you're going to open because you see a post you're sitting in your couch on your couch. You're kind of realizing, I don't have the same community here that I left back home and I'm going to have to put some effort into creating that.
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which I think is a lesson for all of us. If you're sitting, if you're listening and feeling like you don't have the community you want or need, sometimes you've got
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be the person that gets off the couch and makes it happen. So you were there on your couch and you said you saw a post about Collective 6.1 to 5. It was International Women's Day. Yeah, and I'd seen it a few days. I knew the event was happening and I just sort of put it off as maybe some of you did about coming tonight and didn't sign up for it. And the post was like, we have a couple of tickets left, so go ahead and grab it.
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and I decided to do that and I will tell you my weekend time is very sacred to me. It's me and my dog Gertie. We like to watch a little Netflix and like hang out and not make the effort to do a whole lot.
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Um, and I just was like, I'm not going to sit here. I want to find community. You need to just get up, do the things and come. Even if you don't know anybody, buy the ticket, buy the ticket. And you showed up here and I think Kathy Thomas is in the room with us tonight, the founder of collective six one five. And it was her first international women's day event. And so you showed up, you bought the ticket, you got off the couch, you put your face on, you went to the event.
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And it was just right before the whole world said, just kidding. We're shutting down. Yes. And the funny thing about that, I use the word magical because there's just really no formula that I really could have put together that made what happened that day happen. But a sliding door moment to make a decision, you don't know anyone in the room. You go anyway, which a lot of us don't tend to do.
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Kathy had set up this whole event to be sort of an icebreaker. So in this activity, the, I don't know, probability that I would have connected with Kathy was like, I don't know, we don't do numbers. But slim to none, let's say that. So the fact that I drew this one card, and through this series of icebreakers, I end up with Kathy, one on one,
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with the exact same cards. And she's asked me a little bit about myself. We get in this whole conversation, and it's just really wonderful. And she's like, if you can just hang with me till the end of this event, I'd love to talk to you, learn a little bit more.
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So we did just that. And that really just, for me, I felt like she was an immediate bestie and was so supportive. She didn't even know who I was. And she was like, I would love for you to come back to collective in a few days and let's talk about your membership and what that's going to look like. And I did. And over a bottle of wine after hours, we literally, during this whole exchange, got the text that everything was shutting down. I was like, hey.
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I don't know what's about to happen, but give it two weeks. We're going to be fine. I'm going to still sign up for. We're going to get skinny. Yeah. And we're going to work out a lot. And and I'm still going to sign up with my membership. And she was like, you know, whatever happens, I really want you to be a resource. We have some really great members. We really want to create this environment where everybody's supporting each other.
00:18:58
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Love to bring you in. This will help get you introduced to all the things that I was looking for and also be a support system for some of the women members that were here. Yeah. And what's so fascinating is here we are. Like, I hope you all are paying attention to all these little pings, all these little moments where you could have gone a different direction. You could have chosen to stay home. You could have chosen to stay in the safe life, the safe zone. But all these moments are all adding up to the very reason that we are here right now, celebrating three years of her bank.
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Because you said yes multiple times to yourself, to the pings, to the intuition, and you said, I'm doing this, I'm doing this, I'm gonna get uncomfortable, I'm gonna trust, I'm gonna surrender, you end up at collective 615 meeting the owner of collective 615, forming this friendship that, as I know, is still very strong to this day. I have the same friendship with Kathy. And here we are, because of all of that, you were hit with this download to start her bank.
00:19:56
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Yeah, I made a call. I know the core group that are the co-founders, Casey, Amelia, and Sabrina, myself, we have worked together for a really long time. They're very trusted women in my life.
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And I called just because we were going through a lot as a bank, period. All customers, banks, all leveled out because of COVID. We didn't know what was going on next just as much as you didn't, so we were going through this whole process together.
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And what I felt in this particular group with women is this need of I've been laid off my job. I don't know what to do next. I actually kind of want to start a business to I already have a business and now I don't know what to do. I can't get a hold of my banker. There was just a lot of things sort of happening where I was like I don't know
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what we can do but I want to do something and that really having Kathy having Tiffany these women that I had started to meet as a result of walking through those doors really helped to shape what we were doing and I say it's a collective effort didn't mean to throw that in there but
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It really was a collective effort from hearing from the women what they were looking for for us and having the experience that we had being bankers and also being women really just forged together to bring this idea that we get to celebrate now.
00:21:24
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Yeah, and when you had the idea, when it hit you, like a ton of bricks and you were like, I see a lane, I see an opportunity here, that quite frankly doesn't exist. Like every time someone hears about her bank, they're like, what is that? That's so cool. And for you, it was banking for women by women, right?
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But when you had that ping, that idea, was there ever a part of you that said, don't touch that door, Brittany? Like, don't open that door. That feels difficult or challenging. I really wish I could say that happened, but it honestly didn't. And of everything I've pretty much done in my life, this was the most sure I've ever been that this is something that needed to happen. And I can't really explain what that is. There is, and a lot of you are very woo woo in this room. And so you will understand
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That gut connection that just tells you that it's right and you need to do it and it doesn't have to make sense to everyone but when it can make sense to
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like-minded, like-hearted, like-experienced people, you just got to go. And so I was just like, I will do whatever it takes to sit in the rooms with the people, have the conversations. And I will say my granddad, who had had 60 years of banking experience, was the very first person. So yes, this is a brand for women, but I also needed to hear some tough love
00:22:44
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Back to me with somebody that had the experience and that could in a lovingly way Make sure that I was going in a direction that made sense for a bank that he helped to build And so I know he's not going to set me up for failure, but you know you do have to do those things
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even if it feels so right in your gut, you still have to do those logical pieces of the process to make sure that you are doing the right thing. And, you know, his validation with somebody that is such a tough, loved, very gentle person, but knows at the end of the day, has a lot of experience in these things to say that he thinks that this is the right thing to do and glad that I...
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you know, had this idea was really the only fuel I needed to send that rocket ship into action. Yeah, we're off. When you look back, we reflect back, I took you back to 2015 at the start of this convo. When you look back to 2015 and those moments where you really felt brokenhearted and like, you know, what am I going to do from here? And then all the way to today, looking out at this room. Did you think that this would be the end result?
00:23:55
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No, I mean, because we started ideation in the middle of COVID who knew we could have been in the apocalypse for all I knew at that point, you know, but I, I knew that with the women that I have
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either been raised by, loved by, supported, and they're just in this community. I knew we were on to something and I just I did not know what celebrating this would ever look like and it looks different every year which I'm so glad you guys sort of come along for these changing themes that feel so relevant in the moment but
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Also, from a relationship standpoint, I've been in a relationship, a very healthy one, with a very loving man, and he's in the room, it's not Walker with that camera, or the sound guy. But just to sort of bring that back into going through the healing, doing the work, pouring into the things that bring me a lot of joy, and spending several years intentionally single,
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to do that has brought around someone very special to me that has been so supportive as a man. I think that's one of those things I say. We need to talk about strong women and the men who support them because that has been such a theme in my life too and I'm just really grateful that
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you know, had the things worked out in 2015, the things that I was trying to hold on to and the things that I was trying to fix, I would be really miserable and I would not be here. So, you know, I thank him all the time silently in my head while I say other things sometimes. But I thank that guy because, you know, that guy brought me Steve in a roundabout way and brought me here to be here with all of you. I love it. Beautiful full circle. And yeah. Yeah.
00:25:51
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The reflection is always the best part, right? When you can look back and realize, oh my gosh, I'm so glad it went the way it went. It didn't make sense in the moment, but I'm so glad it went the way it went. Okay, before we wrap up, what's next? What door do you feel like you're hoping to walk through next?
00:26:09
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I really want to know what's possible for the brand. I keep getting in conversations that are like, how can we see more of Her Bank in other places? And I don't know what that looks like. And I know I have very key people in this room that are like, what is she going to say next? I say all that to say is that we rely so much on your feedback.
00:26:34
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And you all really help be pay setters for where this brand goes. So your referrals, you all tagging us and sharing our brand and also coming in as customers of ours is part of that growth process.
00:26:50
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Her bank was never on my radar. So it is really hard for me to do the things that you asked me to do in coaching sessions, which is like dream big and then dream bigger. And I'm like, I want to do that, but I wouldn't have had these big creative moments.
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because they were planned. They never have been. So I just kind of stand in front of doors and see what happens. They're either going to open for me or they're not. I'm going to go find another door. Yeah. Yeah. But I will say to your testament, I mean, you do that and you're able to do that because you give yourself space to imagine something bigger, something better, even if you don't have full clarity around what it looks like today. Yeah, that's true. Love it.
00:27:33
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Thank you for being with us today, Brittany. Thank you so
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much. Thank you for bringing us all together. Round of applause. Yes. Thank you. Moving on. OK, I want to invite someone very special up to join me. Can I have Kaylee Bishop, please, in the hot seat? I love it.
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00:29:44
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You also happen to be my neighbor, my front porch coffee queen. Welcome to the podcast, Kaylee. Oh my gosh, I'm so happy to be here. It's true. Kaylee and I are neighbors. I moved into that house two years ago, and I think we found each other pretty quickly because we both have dogs. And so now my dog wanders into her house quite often, and her dog wanders into mine. And it's a beautiful thing. Yeah. It's true. I'm so glad you're here.
00:30:36
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You're going to notice a theme tonight that these sliding door moments and even these moments where we walk through these doors, we make these hard decisions, oftentimes they start from a level of discomfort. They start from something happening that might be heartbreak or loss or something that might feel kind of
00:30:55
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And ultimately what tends to happen is every single time what happens is this up level of sorts, to use my own word, right? This up level. And might be personal, it might be business, might be a combo of the both, but it's never what you expected.
00:31:10
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And it's usually, it's not because we went forth in search of it, it's literally because we got to a spot that felt so uncomfortable that the only way for us to move forward was to walk through a door we'd never walked through before. And I think your story is that for sure.
00:31:29
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I would say so. So let's talk about it. OK. Ask me. Ask me anything. So before you went on The Voice at the age of 19, you met someone. I did. I met my ex-husband. Yeah. And at the age of 23, you got married. I sure did. Yeah. To that same gentleman. Yeah. Same fellow. Yeah.
00:31:55
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And then fast forward, and you were here in Nashville, and you were working on your career as a singer, as a songwriter, right? So there was a moment in time, there was a moment of discomfort for you where you felt like, I'm gonna close a chapter, I'm gonna close a door that maybe I didn't see coming. I didn't think this was gonna be a door I would close. I want you to tell everybody, because it's pretty interesting, I want you to tell everybody, where were you?
00:32:23
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Where were you when you had that moment of realization where you thought, hmm, maybe my relationship isn't in my best interest. Maybe this isn't what I thought it was. And maybe my future is going to look different from my past. Do you remember? I remember all the moments seeing the door, but not believing that I could walk through. Like I didn't accept it as a possibility to leave a marriage because I was
00:32:51
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truly in a spiritually abusive marriage too. And what that meant for my faith, well, God hates divorce, so how can I get divorced? And so it was never an option. And that was something, it was an agreement between my ex-husband and I, like divorce is not an option. And so when I'm hearing feedback from people that I've kind of opened up to and they're saying, hey, something's very wrong. If they weren't a believer, then I discounted their counsel immediately.
00:33:20
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And so I think not only did my marriage end up unraveling, but also my faith completely deconstructed and was built back up. And so the sliding moment for me, knowing that there was something I really needed to change, probably came in September of 2019.
00:33:40
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And I was actually called to lead worship for this women's retreat. And I was terrified. Like leading up to it, my whole relationship and life was in such a hot mess that I was like, no, I can't do that. Like, what's the point of leading worship? You know, it's like, OK, we're going to worship the Lord. It's like, well, I can't even talk to you. So how is that going to work? And I just remember, you know, God was like, I can do whatever I want through whoever I want.
00:34:11
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It doesn't matter how you feel, I can do whatever I want. And I was like, okay, I guess I gotta go. So I went terrified and afraid, but it was going to that retreat and leading worship.
00:34:22
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that I met a few women, just like some of y'all have met along the way, that make you feel safe. And I call them pillow people. Ooh, pillow people. Tell me more. Because you can just like, and it has nothing to do with weight. It's all about how you feel safe around them and how when they listen to your heart, they're not there to judge or criticize. They're there to help you heal.
00:34:46
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And one of my favorite quotes is, you know, we hear hurt people, hurt people will heal people, heal people. And and so it was that pillow person in my life that allowed me to just confess everything. And that confession was such a huge turning point in my life because what was hidden was now in the light and the light. Isn't it always fascinating? Like once we admit to something out loud, there's no going back.
00:35:12
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Yeah, you know, and it's like there's no opportunity for lies to take root. Right. Because when you expose what's happening, then the truth can set you free from it. Yeah, yeah. That was my experience, at least. For sure. You got scouted to be on The Voice. I did. Was this before or after?
00:35:33
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This was, so I did the voice in 2018. Okay, so before that, you had been scouted to be on the voice. I think you once said to me, you felt like you had been anointed. Like that felt like, that felt, did that ever feel like a door that you considered not walking through? No, it was like as soon as it came around, it was like I just felt like,
00:35:56
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It was there was something on the opportunity. And so maybe it was an anointing on the opportunity. But I was like, no, I'm not only going to this audition, but I'm actually going to be on the show like this is happening. I felt it. And and that's what happened. But it was also really interesting how I felt it lift off of me the day that I knew I was going home, which, of course, I didn't know I was going home. But I was like,
00:36:18
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Nope, I'm going home. This thing is off me now. We're going. Wow. Were there moments when you were there as part of the voice going through all the auditions in the process? You got selected by Blake, if I'm, yeah, Blake Shelton and all of this process. Was there moments there that you ever reflected back on your life back home and thought something feels out of sorts? Like maybe these two paths don't feel like they
00:36:44
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are the same? Yeah, there were a few things, especially looking back, you know, retroactively like thinking, but one big tell was I was roommates with another married woman while I was there and she was FaceTiming her husband every day and loving him and I was just like,
00:37:01
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phone down turned off. I'm not talking. Like, don't want to be around this person. I am free. I don't have to communicate with them. And it's like, what a huge red flag. Terrible. And then, you know, looking back, like,
00:37:16
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seeing that he was someone that was so excited about me being on The Voice, but if it made him look good, then he was gonna celebrate and champion me to the end, you know? If it made him look good. Yeah, yeah. So you came home from The Voice, obviously. Like, you felt like you knew. You knew when that moment was gonna come home. And I don't remember how you described it to me once, but it was so beautiful. You were talking about how you kind of were there, your experience on The Voice, you were there to just soak up every moment.
00:37:45
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and just learn what you could learn, meet who you could meet, and walk away a better person. Yeah, I think my confidence, I've really been working on it leading up to that point and to the point where I was, my friend was like, I'm sick and tired of you saying terrible things about yourself. Like, I want you to look in the mirror and tell yourself nice things. And I was like, that's so freaking weird. I'm not going to do that.
00:38:07
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And then I forced myself to do it. And that's when I learned how much negative self talk was just in my vocabulary and in my thoughts and in my thinking and my perception of myself. And when I stopped giving voice to those negative things and started speaking life over myself because you're there's.
00:38:25
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The power of the tongue, is it blessing or a curse? What are you going to choose? And so I started to bless myself and say positive things over myself. And as a result, my confidence really grew. And it's easy to feel competitive in a town as an artist and a musician. You move to Nashville and everybody can sing pretty. Everybody's skinnier than you and younger than you and can belt higher or whatever.
00:38:49
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And I think through that confidence building exercise, I really started to appreciate my journey for me and not compare myself to anyone else's journey and just focus on my own and focus on instead of belittling other people around me internally, like actually celebrating them externally.
00:39:06
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and I made so many friends that way and I carried that mentality into the voice and I knew that there were going to be very few things that I can control because you are kind of put in the dark with a lot of the production decisions and you really don't know what's happening but what I did know I could control was my attitude and how I was going to celebrate people and I chose to do the best by both of those things and I walked away with so many friends and
00:39:33
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a positive experience and still collaborate with some of those people today. Do you feel like, I mean, I think this is probably an obvious, but I'll ask, by walking through that door, saying yes to that calling and showing up to that voice audition, and by showing up with the attitude that you showed up with, because it could have gone differently. I'm sure there are people who have bitter experiences from their reality TV times, right? What doors do you feel like have thus opened because of that experience?
00:40:02
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You know, I felt like I was circulating or orbiting the town. And it's like, I still feel like I'm orbiting the nucleus of Nashville a lot of times industry-wise. But I keep getting on inner layers, inner levels of the circle. But at that point, I had no idea what to do anywhere at any time. I was like, who am I? How do I get involved in this enigma of the music industry? And I will say, just meeting people out there gave me a doorway
00:40:31
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into playing different events and collaborating with new people.
00:40:35
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It definitely opened my horizons up a little bit and I think gave me some legitimacy to all the people that like to social climb and like, oh, she was on The Voice, I'll write with her, you know, which happens and it's like, it is what it is. Great, if that helps me, perfect. Right, yeah. And so, yes, I definitely think that it got me to the next step, the next layer. Yeah, and in the music industry in Nashville or wherever, but specifically where we can talk about the Nashville music industry,
00:41:02
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I'm sure there's a lot of doors that are presented to you and some promise grandiose prizes behind them and some are full of crap. What is your internal compass like these days and how do you navigate which door you're going to choose to walk through next?
00:41:23
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With all the promises, false promises, empty promises that have been made to me, it's easy to get yourself in a position of waiting for things to come to you. And I can't wait anymore. And I realized I was waiting to my own detriment. And what my call really is now is to go take the land.
00:41:41
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Like, I'm gonna go take what's mine and create opportunities where there are none and not ask for permission, just like literally go and take it. And it started with me writing down what my dreams were, which led me to realize I had no idea how to dream.
00:41:58
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Like, wow, I can't even dream big, man, like, I'm an artist, how do I not know how to dream? And I was given a task of writing 200 dreams, and I still have only made it to like 176, but it's fine, we're gonna. And through that, just seeing like, okay, I actually really wanna do this, and how do I go do this? And I need to get rid of my fear of rejection, get rid of my fear of hearing the word no, and just go take it. And so that's kind of where I'm at right now, I'm taking it.
00:42:25
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Yeah, the word that has been coming top of mind in my life and in a lot of my client's lives and even when I'm sitting on the porch with you having coffee and hearing about some of the decisions you've made recently is audacious.
00:42:38
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Oh, okay. I like it. She likes it. Because you've been, you have been making bold, audacious moves and decisions and, and really are taking up space is another phrase I love to say. And you've really kind of, I think you've been doing a beautiful job lately of not accepting the crumbs like Kirby mentioned when we got up here. Right. Yeah. But you know, like when you say taking up space too,
00:43:05
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It's not taking up anyone else's space. It's taking up the potential that I've always had. It's like taking up the potential of who I am. Like, you know, we think about the chrysalis and the butterfly. It's like when the butterfly stretches its wings, it's like that's the space they're taking up and not apologizing for that. And you know, I was afraid to be authentic about who I was in person, on stage, and then on social media. And learning that the fear of man is a snare.
00:43:32
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Why am I afraid? I just need to be authentic in who I am and the right people are going to align themselves with me. The right people are going to want to know more about me and come to my shows and celebrate me and that's great. And support you and open up more doors for you and all of the things that are yet to come. So spoiler alert, tomorrow, as of the time of this recording, this will already be done, but tomorrow night,
00:43:58
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Kaylee takes the rhyming stage. That's right. That's right. Crazy. Yeah. It's a big deal. Yeah. Really, really excited for you. And I hope you soak up every single moment. We try. Yeah. And I know lots of amazing things are coming down the pipeline for you. And if you guys haven't heard about her new single, Hold On Honey, she's going to play it for you in just a minute. It might bring you to tears, just spoiler alert.
00:44:24
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It's so good. I was one of the lucky chosen few who got to come to your kind of... It's a listening party to my record. Listening party to the record before it was out. So I've heard, I've been singing it. It'll stick with you. It's sticky like that.
00:44:45
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But it is a reflection of some of what we've chatted about tonight. It's the before and after. It's me writing that letter to my younger self from 19 and 23 when I met and married my ex-husband and who I was then. And then when your whole world gets shaken up and tossed into a blender and poured out like you didn't expect, how are you going to handle that? And as a result of going through the hardest thing in my life, I am the best version of myself.
00:45:13
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today and that's why the message is simple it's hold on honey like you're about to have everything you dreamed. Oh okay let's do it let's get into it. Pretty white guitar tonight I love it. You're a whole vibe right now babe. You know I was like I gotta bring the white one it'll match. I love it. This was a customized and gifted to me
00:45:39
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One of my, I played a big show at Third and Linsley back in March and that was an example of me taking the land because I really wanted to headline my own show there and I just made it happen. I just did it. And someone left this in my dressing room and I was like, hmm, I'll take it.
00:46:07
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Okay, I have a question for all of y'all though. Are we opposed to kind of singing along at all? You know what's healing for the body to sing, those frequencies? It's so good for you and to say something like, hold on honey, like I said, like every word you speak can either be a blessing or a curse, so we can just bless ourselves today, right?
00:46:40
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You did everything right But you got it all wrong Cause you loved somebody Who came on strong And seemed to be everything Jesus had for you And I know it's not fair And I know it's been hard Cause you've always been a good girl And now you've got a broken heart But let me tell you the best part You're gonna be sick
00:47:12
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If you can hold on and give it some time, I promise you now what's coming to you. It's who you wanted to be your whole life, because you can't grow without the suffering. You can't be pure thought without the heat. So hold on, honey. You're about to get everything you dream. Hold on, honey. Hold on.
00:47:51
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I know it don't make sense cause you're still in deep Can't see the way out of this messy thing that you're in But the light is coming You're gonna be singing
00:48:09
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If you can hold on and give it some time I promise you now what's coming to ya Is who you wanted to be your whole life Cause you can't grow without the suffering You can't be purified without the heat So hold on honey You're about to get everything you dream Hold on honey
00:48:51
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And I know it's not fair And I know it's been hard Cause you've always been a good girl And now you've got a broken heart
00:49:12
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Let me tell you the best part You're gonna be singing hallelujah If you can hold on and give it some time I promise you now what's coming to you Is who you wanted to be your whole life Cause you can't grow without the suffering You can't be beautiful without the heat Hold on honey
00:49:40
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You're about to get everything you dream. Come on and sing. Hold on. You got this. Come on. Hold on. Let's fill this room. Hold on. If you need it. Hold on. Come on and sing it out. Hold on.
00:50:07
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All right, I'm gonna give it right to you, okay guys? Let's fill the room, come on. That's right, we got it.
00:50:25
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Oh, come on and hold on, honey, yes. Hold on, honey. Hold on, honey. You're about to get everything you dreamed. You can just hold on a little longer.
00:50:53
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Hold on and listen to Tiffany's podcast when you need her. And just hold on. Kaylee Bishop, everybody.
00:51:21
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Thank you so much, babe. It's my pleasure. Oh, my gosh. We'll do it again one day soon. Oh, also, I brought two hats with me. I don't know who needs to hold on, honey. Who needs to hold on, honey? I'm going to go with a striped jumper right there on the green couch. Courtney, come on up, babe. Get your booty up here. You get your pick. I brought two of them. This one, if you look in the mirror, it'll tell you to hold on, honey.
00:51:52
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green one, you got it. And this one's around too, so we'll leave it right there. Thank you, babe. Whoo! That's good stuff, right? Such good stuff.
Laura Lee Bryant: From Food to Healing and Coaching
00:52:08
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All right, one more really inspiring story. You might start to notice some themes going on around here, but I would love to welcome
00:52:16
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Laura Lee to join me up on stage. It's a tough act to follow. No, it's not. Your story is equally beautiful and I'm excited to give everyone a sneak peek.
00:52:33
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Laura Lee is a certified chef, published cookbook author. She founded LL Balanced, a popular food website and blog. That's when I first discovered you back in probably 2017 or so, where she used to provide readers with affordable, comforting, and family-friendly meals. She's contributed articles and recipes for Mind Body Green, Nashville Lifestyles, Southern Living, Shape, Greatest, the list goes on.
00:52:57
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Fast forward to now and her business is taken on a new focus where she serves as a holistic breakup coach and helps women relieve the psychological and physiological symptoms of heartache and divorce with food and exercises for mind and body. Welcome to the podcast.
00:53:14
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Thank you so much. I'm so excited to be here. So for years, food was your passion for years. I mean, when I discovered you, I think it was Instagram, like I said, circa 2017, probably. And I was on the Internet sharing my matcha recipes and smoothie recipes and yoga practice and my own healing journey coming from a pretty nasty breakup, divorce, heartbreak.
00:53:38
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And so that's what I kind of knew you as, right? And for years, a lot of people knew you as that. And I know you still love food, but can you talk to us a little bit about, was there a moment when you realized that maybe the career you had built to date and the name you had built for yourself to date and food wouldn't play such a huge role in your future?
00:53:59
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Yes, I mean, I never would have imagined and I think one of the themes that I'm seeing, you know, with these amazing women is this intersection of the personal and professional life. You know, there came a time where I really couldn't ignore.
00:54:16
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how my personal experiences were bleeding into the mask that I was wearing for this community that had sort of come to see me as always upbeat and wellness focus and all of those things. And really interestingly, I think similarly to Brittany, I was divorced, but the divorce was not my rock bottom moment. And I think what happened is,
00:54:43
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I confused letting time allow some grief to move with really navigating the suffering of the stories I was then telling myself about myself. And that was the piece of the puzzle that when I realized that I had attracted a pretty unhealthy relationship after my divorce, and I ended up moving out of his house in a snowstorm,
00:55:12
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in February, woke up in an Airbnb the next morning, and that was really the moment that it all changed. That was your catalyst or your pivotal moment where you went. Obviously, things got so uncomfortable that you were willing to do something else uncomfortable to get out of it, which was move out in the middle of a snowstorm and wake up on an Airbnb with a completely different environment, right?
00:55:44
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You know, and I'm not going to call it a facade because I don't think that's what it was, but I can no longer show up and say I'm this chef influencer who has it all together. I've got to do some deeper work here. Talk to me a little bit about that epiphany and how that kind of played out for you. Like what was next for you? Okay, you made this huge jump, you know, to something different. And now you're sitting there going, how do I pick up the pieces? How do I navigate this? What did that look like for you?
00:56:04
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From that moment when you said, okay, I can no longer
00:56:11
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Yes, and I will say, I mean, I think to an extent it was a facade. I think that it was, you know, there are seeds in us and we start to, they start to become watered by our circumstances and it kept growing and growing and I was trying to keep up that image and so much of my life rested on that and all that came with the married life that I had chosen
00:56:38
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And the next morning, I really realized that, again, these sort of seeds, I needed to uncover them because they were sort of like growing and winding themselves around everything in my life. I truly believe that the feelings that we feel and the actions that we take can be directly linked back to the way that we speak to ourselves and to those narratives.
00:57:06
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And so I was not familiar with the coaching world and I think rightfully so. I mean, as you know, it's every coach's responsibility to take their work seriously enough that they can build trust with clients with a very loose term. Um, but I ended up hiring a relationship coach and she changed the game for me. She was the one who really helped me peel back the layers of the onion.
00:57:33
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and recognize how all of these, again, these seeds had been sitting in me. I mean, honestly, I believe this stuff goes back for all of us.
00:57:41
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to our early childhood experiences, you know, pre-verbal. And in a very short period of time, and I love therapy, I'm still in therapy, but it's totally different work. And in a very short period of time working with this coach and the tools that she was giving me, I started to see systemic change for the better in every single facet of my life. And it was powerful, but I wanted a holistic approach because
00:58:10
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Grief changes your appetite. It changes your sleep. It changes your mood. It changes your mental health. You are living in the upside down. The world is going by and for you, you're underwater. You're moving through molasses. And there's a concept called disenfranchised grief, which is grief like pet loss or job loss or heartbreak that
00:58:35
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culturally isn't recognized the way that we recognize the death of, say, an immediate family member. But the reality is when you go through a massive heartbreak, especially if you're someone like me or my clients who had so many limiting beliefs and stories, you really do need to treat yourself like you are a post-op patient. Yeah, and so I wanted to, I gave myself that and I created this protocol
00:59:03
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for myself and then wanted to help other women through that as well. What I think is so fascinating about what you were saying is, you know, you mentioned like you didn't necessarily believe in the coaching modality at first. And you shared with me off Mike earlier that, you know, you're not sure you would have done it had you not had a friend who said, I'm going to front this, I'm going to pay for this investment.
00:59:25
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And that was kind of what allowed you to step through that door to so to speak. So I think that's such a fascinating thing because we all think we hear these stories and we think I've got to be brave and I've got to know it and I've got to do it all on my own. But you're a beautiful example of someone who actually you don't have to do it all on your own. And sometimes you just need someone who believes in you enough to say, let me help you through this door.
00:59:50
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That's exactly right. I wish I could say it was sort of like, I'll roll up my sleeves and like, this is it. But the reality is, I think there's also a through line of divine intervention to an extent. And my relationship with my faith really blossomed around this time as well. A dear friend named Leanne, she asked me to go to church with her and I hadn't in a while. And, you know, when I was in that service, I
01:00:16
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heard that it was sort of this voice that said all of those nights that you spent curled up in the fetal position just scream crying yourself to sleep you know you weren't alone and she this same friend fronted me a lot of money to work with this coach
01:00:32
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And she's still one of, I mean, she's just my guardian angel, and I have paid her back since. But I really was skeptical, but I believed in her, and I think she believed in me, and so that circular approach got me into the coaching, but it was, yeah, it was life-changing. Yeah, when you look back now at the decisions you made, and they stacked, right? There were several, there was catalysts, there were moments in your life, there was the breakup, there was the waking up in the Airbnb,
01:01:03
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leaving in the middle of a snowstorm. There were all these moments. There was the, you know, choosing to go to church even. There was the choosing to, you know, accept the gift from the friend, which a lot of people would be like, no, I'm not going to accept that. And you were like, you know what? Okay, I'm going to accept that for now. When we look back, you know, can you imagine it playing out any other way?
01:01:24
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I mean, no, not anymore, not anymore, but, you know, yes, it was all a series of just completely unpredictable and very seemingly unfortunate events at the time. I do think there is something that is so valuable about being uncomfortable with allowing, being uncomfortable with inconveniencing people in your life. I think that is something that women
01:01:52
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can can benefit from is allowing because we all are like please inconvenience me right we all feel that way about the the people that we love and yet we never want to allow someone to be inconvenienced by us and I think that is one of the best gifts of healing because I had been told
01:02:09
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But this person that you know my friends didn't love me my family didn't love me and frankly I had come to believe a lot of those stories which I think we do and you know I was in a silo and in the pandemic. And so it was incredibly uncomfortable but I think if there is.
01:02:24
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You know, it's actually sort of a disservice to the people in our life to not let them show up for us sometimes. One thousand percent. And I have some stickers that I've made in a speech that I give called Help is Not a Four Letter Word. Because, I mean, yes, it is a four letter word. Literally, okay, but it's not a bad word.
01:02:43
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And there's study after study after study that's been done and proven to show that when we ask someone for help, they see it as an honor. And it makes them feel more valuable. And it makes them feel like they get to be a better friend, a better human. And so it's actually a gift. It's this beautiful thing that we think we're inconveniencing them and we're actually giving them an opportunity to shine.
01:03:06
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That's amazing. I love that so much. Yeah. So fast forward a little bit. And I want to talk a little bit about what it was like for you, a little granular. Like, what was it like for you to because you had a book deal? Yeah.
01:03:19
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And you had already published two very successful cookbooks. And now it was time to do your third. And you were like, things are changing over here. Yes. Thankfully, I worked with an amazing publisher who was also a smaller local publisher. And so that gave me a lot of creative freedom. But I was supposed to write a meal planning book. And I basically said, hey, can we do a complete 180, throw out all of the content?
01:03:43
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And I asked him if we could write a hybrid book that would be my lily pad from my, you know, iteration as a holistic chef to this like wacky breakup coach thing, which
01:03:54
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really was pretty terrifying because I had built up a very wonderful and loyal food community and somehow he went along with it and I actually moved to the mountains. I moved to North Carolina for six months and started rewriting my book and started studying the science of grief, the science of attachment and the science of what happens to our brains specifically during romantic rejection or as a woman a perceived rejection because
01:04:22
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Even when we end a relationship often as a woman, we still feel rejected because we are indoctrinated into this idea that it's our job to control the emotional climate of a home, somehow single-handedly, when in fact that is quite literally impossible. And so we just assume we've done something wrong, no matter who ends the relationship. And so I really wanted to understand the brain change of that, and then subsequently how we can best nourish our bodies because
01:04:50
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the same food that I would offer to someone who is not in an enormous amount of duress is not what I would offer to someone who is. Your digestive system, your inflammation, your taste buds, all of that will change. And so I started doing a deep dive and sort of fleshing that out in the book. Yeah, recipes for an aching heart. Which is here. It's a beautiful cookbook. If you haven't taken a peek, it's on the little book nook table back there. And it's just such a genius concept.
01:05:21
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First of all, kudos for speaking up for yourself and going back to your publisher and saying, hey, I'd like to pivot. And then obviously kudos to them for allowing you to really be your authentic self, because I think that's so, so important. So what do you kind of feel like is, if you had to think about, if we go back to the exercise Kirby had us do a little bit ago, she said, imagine a door that's got your name on it.
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And it has the word more written on it and you're going to open that door. What do you feel like is next for you. You know right now I would say up until really in the last year and a half I have had these really sort of.
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grandiose visions for my business, which there's nothing wrong with that. But this is the first time where I am so zealous about the granular. I just want to keep building these intimate relationships with my clients. I love every single moment of it. I don't want to delegate it. I don't want to automate it, make it passive. I have loved working with women now all over the world.
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through this and that is what I really want to do is because the growth is exponential as you know as a coach you get schooled by them you learn so much you co-create it's a relationship and a dynamic and so I really want to do that I would love to have more group opportunities for the work that I do which I haven't figured out so that's probably the the addition the more piece of it but I also just want more of really what I've would have been doing
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Isn't that a beautiful thing when you can look around and go, I'm really happy. I'm really happy with what I get to do right now. It is, it is incredibly satisfying. Yeah, and probably really, you know, no other way it could have come about. Yeah, I mean, and to be honest, I think Brittany, you were saying this, it's like I can't even, now it seems so crazy what I've done. And I've had an enormous amount of imposter syndrome, but I also,
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Like there was, I just couldn't not do it. I couldn't not do it. And so, yeah, I don't know how it could have gone any other way, but I am so unbelievably grateful. I am so grateful for the first client who trusted me and the second client who trusted me out of thin air. I mean, I'm sure you both understand that, right? We all do, to an extent, the people who really have no reason to put their life in our hands.
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their healing or their hearts through whatever medium, but it's amazing. Yeah, it's amazing. I think it's just such a testimony. All of the stories we've heard and shared today are such a testimony to what it looks like to trust the pings, trust that no matter what feels fuzzy, no matter what you don't have complete clarity around just yet,
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that that is okay. It doesn't mean it's not for you. It doesn't mean it couldn't be even more beautiful than anything you've ever imagined before, right? That's exactly right. And I also have to say, I mean, I really am so thankful to be a part of this because I went to an all-girls school here in Nashville and to this day, there is just nothing quite like it, you know, by being surrounded by women and the way we kind of uplift each other. And I think there is the best thing in the world is to
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tell someone who you can tell they have this dream and they're sort of tentative and tiptoeing into it and just to look them squarely in the eye and say, you can do it because you can. You really can. And if you haven't had a voice of someone, I think growing up generationally, I think that...
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you know, there was a culture of scarcity, to an extent, growing up, at least in the South. And so I think one of the gifts we can give each other is to, like, allow, is to create space for those, like, wild dreams and really kind of speak that into existence for other women.
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Yes, speaking my language. Dream bigger, ladies. Dream bigger. Well, Laura, thank you so, so much for being here with us, for sharing your story. Thank you. Thanks for having me. For Ali, everybody. Go follow her. Go follow her on TikTok. Follow her on Instagram. All the good things. And check out her cookbook at the back.
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