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42. Burn The Idols
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Burn the idols. Burn them all. You are your own most valuable tool and resource in your practice. Don’t let the shiny things distract you from your Truth.
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Discussing Rare Tarot Decks
00:00:24
Speaker
yes do you hear the ambient sounds of deck shuffling in the microphone yes i do i thought i would pull a card for us for this for today's episode fuck yeah um talk about the deck because i'm stoked about this deck yeah first tell me the name of the first one that you have okay the name of the first one that i have which if you follow us on patreon You will be familiar with it because I've used it several times. It is postcards from the liminal space by the Cara Wintner.
00:01:02
Speaker
Yes. So that deck is like very sought after and it's out of print and you can't find it anywhere except used for $300. And it was originally $50.
00:01:13
Speaker
Like was Yeah. dollars like yeah and it was first on sale right yeah um I got lucky because I probably never would have bought it for myself, but Tom, SoulPad member, Tom, got it for me for my, was it 27th birthday
00:01:36
Speaker
in 2019. Awesome. they have had it for a while and I've been in love with it and i am so glad now that I have it and I'm would also like to get the one that is in your hands.
00:01:49
Speaker
ah So this one is the second one she did. um And it isn't just her. Yeah, there's an artist. Okay.
00:02:01
Speaker
Bacara. Bacara Wintner. Yeah, she's the one that created it. And she wrote the book called What the fuck is tarot?
00:02:14
Speaker
Yes. What the fuck is tarot and how do I do it? Okay. It's Bacara Windner and Christian Barry is also the one who created like co-created the original deck. Okay. Looking the back. And the illustrations are by Kaylee Christensen.
00:02:27
Speaker
Oh yeah. that's That's who's on here with her on this one. So this is the second deck that they put out and it's called Visions in the Liminal Space.
00:02:39
Speaker
Yes. Oh my god. Yeah. It's very interesting. She's going to pull us a card. You want to pull one or do you want to pull two? What do you want me to do?
00:02:51
Speaker
I'd say pull two. And do we want to set an intention? Do we want to set an intention? um
Setting Intentions with Tarot Cards
00:02:58
Speaker
I don't know. Like, what do you want to What do you want to but kind of intention? Hmm.
00:03:05
Speaker
What do we need to know for this Summer. For this summer? Yeah, this upcoming season. Okay. The springtime is more than halfway over now.
00:03:18
Speaker
So, the upcoming season. What do we need to know, you and i for our lives? And let's do two cards. And it's not going to be one card for each of us. Like, I think we're going to let's like find a combine and interpret them. Yeah, right. Yes.
00:03:37
Speaker
Okay. Oh, I'm excited. I'm excited. so i'm just gonna fan them out because that's typically what i do yeah and then wherever my hand feels like drawn because i kind of put my hand over it i do exactly the same way do you well you've watched me do it haven't you i don't know maybe i guess i haven't done a whole lot of in-person readings with you um But I do that exact same thing. I lay my hand over the deck and I see where my hand is pulled to it. Or I like sort of drag my fingers across like back and forth until I feel that like particular electric feeling. Yeah.
00:04:18
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And like sometimes I'll do that. Or if I feel like an area that I kind of hone in on one with my eyeball and I go, okay, that's the one. Sometimes most of the time i actually do it with my eyes closed. I go but like purely on feeling.
00:04:33
Speaker
Okay. Okay. Well, I tend to look at one and one of them kind of like pops out at me and I go, okay, that's the one
00:04:44
Speaker
one. That's interesting. This one is called The Passing of Time. The Passing of Time. Oh, and there's like a DNA strand that people are climbing.
00:04:58
Speaker
And yo, you and me are connected by DNA. That's true. that's what the fuck? All right. God, I'm so stoked. Okay, one more. Let's see.
00:05:10
Speaker
Where do I feel it? Okay. one more see where do i feel it
00:05:31
Speaker
There and back again. no and another landscape. We've got a common theme of mountains in the distance. Sweet.
00:05:43
Speaker
I like it. All right. I'll take pictures. Sweet. And then, yeah, that is very interesting because like these cards have so many different
00:06:00
Speaker
you know, visual. Yeah. Like, look, like we could have we could have had that a marionette. is like Freaky marionette. Oh my God. Yeah. We got two that had landscapes with mountains and I have chills on the left side of my body for some reason.
00:06:16
Speaker
Oh my God. That's weird.
Tarot and Personal Intuition
00:06:21
Speaker
yeah These decks, these both both of these decks have like the most unique card designs I've ever seen. Not only the illustrations, but just like... Oh my god.
00:06:34
Speaker
It's aliens in a movie theater. yeah you can You came here to help turn off the lights. Woo!
00:06:46
Speaker
You're not pulling those. You're just showing me. But I want you to read those descriptions. I'm like eagerly, eagerly anticipating the descriptions of those two cards. Okay.
00:07:01
Speaker
Sorry if you can hear my chair squeaking. Yeah, I was going to say third podcast host. Who? The chair? The chair. Squeaky McSqueakerson.
00:07:12
Speaker
Oh my god. my god. Alright. So here's what's funny. you know You know how they're like alphabetized in the book?
00:07:24
Speaker
These are probably right next to each other. Wait, remind me what they say. both of them The passing of time and there and back again. Usually she excludes the the.
00:07:36
Speaker
Okay. So passing of time might be under P. Okay. Might be. just Yeah. yeah Yeah. Yeah. I see one that starts with a the that's not in order of the T's. Okay. So yeah let me find the P's.
00:07:50
Speaker
I've occasionally had a little bit of a challenging time finding yeah the correct or like where the description is based on the alphabetization of the names of the cards.
00:08:08
Speaker
Okay. I got them both. Ready? Okay. I'm going to mute myself ah while you read. The passing of time. Time devours.
00:08:18
Speaker
Time heals. Time flies. Time out. Time ah Time was... Time comes. Time waits for no one.
00:08:29
Speaker
Gorgeous. And there and back again. We must venture forward. We must answer the call. We must be bold and brave.
00:08:40
Speaker
We must leave all we've known behind and make our own way. We must slay the dragon, capture the gold and reach the mountaintop. And then we must go home where our treasure has been all along.
00:08:57
Speaker
Wow. Yeah.
00:09:01
Speaker
That's really interesting. That's powerful. It is. It makes me think of The Lord of the Rings.
00:09:11
Speaker
so So silly. i had never i'd never seen the third movie, like any part of the third movie. ah and I had only ever seen...
00:09:24
Speaker
pieces of the first two movies because I was not capable of staying awake during them. Gotcha. And so that is why I resolved to watch them this week.
00:09:36
Speaker
And I finished the third movie today as I was working. And it had that feeling of like such like intense quest, like such an intense quest that needed to be achieved. Yeah.
00:09:53
Speaker
And then to go home again. I assume you've seen it. ah Yeah, it's just been a really long time. Yeah.
00:10:04
Speaker
Yeah. um Yeah. I'm going to not go into further detail in case anybody who's listening has not seen it. which I would normally say, how could you not have seen it? But also it wasn't until this week that I had seen it.
00:10:18
Speaker
So yeah fair.
Epic Quests and Tarot Symbolism
00:10:23
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ah But yeah, that's what that's what it makes me think of because, you know, there's great big quests out there, but at the end of the day what's most valuable is home where your heart has always been yeah it's like uh the wizard of oz kind of situation oh yes oh my god there's another classic there's no place like home
00:11:01
Speaker
i'm so i'm a little not confused but just sort of like
00:11:12
Speaker
I'm not sure what the word is that I'm looking for about the time one.
00:11:17
Speaker
Hmm. can I look at them both again are you sending them to me? Yeah. I'm trying to take the pictures. Okay. The passing of time.
00:11:31
Speaker
I just realized that on that card, those are like little rafts with people on them. Okay. So there's like a river and I'm like, okay.
00:11:42
Speaker
I know. Are they headed toward the edge or they headed in the other direction? um I am assuming the way the drips are coming down off the edge that they're coming towards that edge. Well, that stresses me out.
00:11:56
Speaker
Oh, I thought there were people climbing the DNA. Oh, it's like water dripping. Yeah. Down. For some reason it looks like people. I like the root detail. Yeah. Anyway.
00:12:10
Speaker
anyway passing a time you know what you know what that tells me is to take time for granted
00:12:22
Speaker
and i don't think we're going on any dragon slaying quests um not anytime soon but that that is a helpful reminder too i think this is a message of not taking anything for granted not taking time not taking your experiences for granted and not taking the home that's waiting for you.
00:12:45
Speaker
Yeah, that's what I was just thinking myself. I like it. And I like the mountains in both of them. Yeah, it's pretty sweet.
00:12:58
Speaker
Thank you for pulling those cards. Yeah. the whole theme for today's episode is remembering...
00:13:10
Speaker
I think remembering that the cards don't necessarily have to be the end all be all to like, you know, you searching for an answer for something like you shouldn't rely on solely what the cards are saying. yeah no Nobody should.
00:13:33
Speaker
Right. Yeah. And like, tools in general for witchcraft and divination should definitely be used with i don't even know if this is the right way to say it but like a grain of salt but like with with a nugget of like just remembering that they can be helpful but they don't have to be everything yeah like they don't dictate They shouldn't dictate your life, right?
00:14:04
Speaker
They shouldn't dictate your life. They shouldn't dictate how you feel or how you react or how you respond. and that, I mean, the way that I use them, and I'm realizing how odd of a particular take this is for someone who is a tarot reader.
00:14:20
Speaker
hu But the way that I use them is for clarity and guidance when I really strongly feel that it needs to come from divine but it never supersedes my own intuition and my own agency right um there are people out there who are scared of card readings still because they're scared of hearing about their future which is a massive misconception yeah i it is unbelievable how much of a misconception that is i actually
00:15:02
Speaker
I try to avoid reading anything for the future. Like I, like I don't use timelines in my tarot readings the way that so many people do like past, present, future polls.
00:15:15
Speaker
I think that's extraordinarily limiting, limiting. I'll be honest though. When i pull mine, I don't specifically say to the cards or to the universe that I want this to be past, present, future. But after I pull the three, ah typically can associate them with past, present, and future.
00:15:39
Speaker
i try i try not to. Like I, I mean, I, but I usually can, like they usually correlate to, to me. Things that have already happened, things that are happening right now. And then the future card obviously is unknown, but like, that's kind of how it looks sometimes to me.
00:15:57
Speaker
Yeah. But then I like actively avoid that. And to the point too, that I don't even pull just three cards and I don't pull specific spreads.
00:16:08
Speaker
Right. um I never even pull like sp spreads that are, you know, where each placement has like a particular meaning assigned to it. Because i read with such fluidity. I move things around. I associate cards with,
00:16:25
Speaker
together that weren't pulled like in sequence her like there is not the universe is not structured that way right so why should my readings be logic and like and time time is not even really linear either so like no it's not it is not and there you go there's our time card time's passing by yeah but um i don't know like that it's like not intended it's not intended for you to um take it at like word of law it only like really it should only carry the level of meaning and gravity that you want or need from it
00:17:19
Speaker
like it shouldn't be against your better judgment that you follow what the card says or that you believe or make decisions based upon what the card says um it is much more the case that if you feel like you need clarity in a situation you pull cards and then In my case, like, I feel like, again, I'm not trying to tell people, like, this is how you have to do it or have to believe. But, like, in my case, when I pull the cards, it's not the cards telling me anything. It's divinity telling you telling me something.
00:18:00
Speaker
Mm-hmm.
Journey of Learning Witchcraft
00:18:04
Speaker
the cards are the tool, the cards of the conduit, but they do not dictate what I do, just as divinity does not dictate what I do.
00:18:13
Speaker
Right. And... every single person is going to interpret cards even slightly different from the the next person too. Even though we know we have like a guideline of like what they're supposed to mean or indicate, but like yeah every person is gonna get something different out of them.
00:18:31
Speaker
Yeah. And honestly, like mentioned this in the group discussion that was occurring earlier this week, but like I have had a tendency not to pull cards for my own situations. Right.
00:18:43
Speaker
enough probably then like i probably should be pulling them more more often than i do but it's because of the fact that if i feel the need to pull cards for something it's because i have an intense emotional attachment to whatever's going on and i like i don't trust myself not to read in like read into the cards what i want to be the truth what like no matter what cards are pulled like i can't i've i i don't want to say like don't want to speak in present tense because i feel like i'm conscious of this and therefore trying to work through it and change it but like i feel like i have had a very hard time staying objective in situations for myself ha that makes total sense though
00:19:35
Speaker
Yeah. So it's like much easier for me to read for other people where their life situations have no bearing on what happens to me or how I feel. Yeah. um Exactly.
00:19:48
Speaker
Yeah. But I'm getting better at managing my emotions and I'm getting better at being more objective with my own life situations. so I'm thinking that I need to trust myself more and put that into practice more so that I can prove to myself that I am able to give myself accurate readings that are not attached to like how I feel or what I want.
00:20:20
Speaker
So, yeah. Yeah. So like, as you were talking about in the group, you were talking about how, when you first got into witchcraft,
00:20:32
Speaker
stuff that you were completely like isolated if you will like like self-isolated from any outside influence yeah and i yeah wanted to teach yourself and learn by yourself if there wasn't like if there was a witchcraft presence on the internet i was not involved in it and i had no influence from it right like I think because I did all of my initial learning out of books, like I just just stayed so far outside of like discourse and just wanted to learn like pure information and knowledge.
00:21:16
Speaker
and then the like first place where I went on the internet for anything relating to witchcraft was on Tumblr before it sort of declined.
00:21:27
Speaker
yeah, by even on Tumblr, I was not, I was like mostly laughing at like witchcraft memes and also looking at like, you know, people, there were some really useful posts that people had put together, like master lists of like herbs and their uses and meanings and like, almost like Pinterest or associations. Yeah. Almost like Pinterest. And I've gone to Pinterest for some of that information, just like when I need it, like on the fly too.
00:21:58
Speaker
ah okay. Um, But like Tumblr was the first place where I really encountered like witchcraft on the internet and it was pretty benign. I'm sure that there were toxic corners, but I didn't spend a whole lot of time on Tumblr. I just like looked for, you know, some pertinent information and like copied it over into my own notes.
00:22:18
Speaker
But like, yeah, I stayed pretty insulated because I didn't want community very specifically. hmm. I left like one of the big reasons I left the Mormon church was because I didn't want community in a religious or spiritual context.
00:22:41
Speaker
I, I just decided to pull a card for myself.
Commercialism in Witchcraft
00:22:44
Speaker
And oh what message does the universe want me to portray in our podcast today? Okay.
00:22:56
Speaker
Okay. And it's interesting. Okay. Please read it. Please read it for us. I will.
00:23:07
Speaker
Okay. Yeah. burn Burn the idols. And I mean, it's kind of silly that it's got a burger joint behind it that says void burger. What does that mean?
00:23:22
Speaker
Because the idols can be a void. Yeah. Because there's a whole lot of nothing. Yeah. Behind them. All right. So I'm to read this.
00:23:32
Speaker
Oh, my God. Okay. Go for it. Go. Burn the idols. A fiery crescendo. Oh my god, can I even say that word the right way? Crescendo.
00:23:43
Speaker
Yes. Fitting the late stage capitalist hellscape we find ourselves in. It cannot be stopped at this point, but how we found ourselves here may be of interest to those in the business of breaking cycles.
00:23:57
Speaker
To idolize, to worship as a god, or love or admire in excess, can produce ecstasy in the idolizer. The blithe serenity of the cult member, certain they have found their way back to the garden, with a capital G, speaks to this condition's precarious nature.
00:24:18
Speaker
While idolization and love are often conflated, they are in fact opposites. Where love is free flowing and infinite idolization is dogmatic and conditional where love is appreciated.
00:24:33
Speaker
Sorry, where love is appreciation of what is idolization is a dual pipe dream of what could never be. If all actions produce an equal and opposite reaction, then one matter is glorified while another is vilified.
00:24:50
Speaker
More interestingly, the same glorified matter ultimately becomes vilified upon the worshippers' realization that its beloved idol reflects their own corrupted self-image, at which point the catharsis of burning the idol outweighs the consolation of venerating it.
00:25:10
Speaker
consolation sorry the consolation of venerating it it would stand to reason the collective is better off with no idols at all.
00:25:22
Speaker
Holy shit.
00:25:26
Speaker
That is totally on point for what our discussion was in our group. Yeah. And it was like my whole thing that I wanted to talk about today was how when I first started into the witchcraft stuff, I got sucked right in to like the, you know, capitalistic, materialistic, commercialism of, you know, i needed to buy all the cool, fancy things and like have like You know, the crystal like every single Oracle deck and all the crystals. Yeah.
00:26:01
Speaker
Yeah. and various And various, you know, other divination tools and, you know, all that. And I just like i got sucked into it and I spent so much money and I do that.
00:26:12
Speaker
Like when I get into something, i just like want to spend all my money on it. I know. I know you know. I've watched it happen. I know. that And I think that the discussion, you know, I mean, i say it's today. It's happened over the last couple of days, but I've just caught up on all of it today. For context, it's the discussion within our Marco group.
00:26:34
Speaker
Yeah. With our friends from Anahata's Purpose. Yeah. it it just made me laugh at myself because I'm like yeah I mean if I had just sat down with a book and just read the damn book from cover to cover i would have learned a lot more and realized I didn't need to go buy all that shit you know and like I said in one of my messages like I have tons of stuff like I have tons of different crystals and I love everything I have but like it doesn't get used It just sits there and collects dust or it's sitting where I can't even see it. You know, it's like put away somewhere.
00:27:09
Speaker
And like that sucks. But like when I have, you know, when I do have more time, when I'm not working like anymore, I want to get all my stuff out. I want to look at everything. i want to organize it, make it look pretty, make an altar space, which I've still never done. Like, cause I'm dying to do that. I really, really want to.
00:27:28
Speaker
um And I want to be able to, Appreciate the things that I have now more and ah appreciate them by actually using them in some way, shape, or form.
00:27:47
Speaker
Not just appreciate by looking. Which ties into our readings, our card pull. Yeah, appreciation. Of not taking things for granted.
00:28:00
Speaker
Yeah. And so like this card, which I don't know why I put the damn thing away already. i should have taken a picture. This card is hilarious because it's like kind of reiterating.
00:28:12
Speaker
but Okay. Burn the idols. Like don't rely on all of these tools. It's not necessary. Like, you know what I mean? And also, also relatedly, this was like an adjacent conversation that came up at the same time, but like to,
00:28:30
Speaker
you not idolize the people who make themselves look like they're gurus that you need.
Self-Reliance in Spirituality
00:28:38
Speaker
Right. Oh my God. Don't literally burn them. That's a crime.
00:28:43
Speaker
But you don't, you absolutely should not, you shouldn't idolize them and you shouldn't honestly give them any credence. yeah Like don't give them any attention because attention is what they are seeking. Yeah. Yeah.
00:29:01
Speaker
And don't idolize the tools of divination either because the magic is in us, right? No. It's the, it's all about our intuition. It's all about trusting our instincts and our intuition and that, you know,
00:29:20
Speaker
I don't know how I'm going to tie this together, but like, I have thought of this a few different times since leaving the church, how, you know people are always looking outside of themselves to find the divine like in search of god in search of jesus in search of search of a relationship with one or the other or both like you know or if you're catholic you know it's like there's a lot of emphasis on mary and you know just that kind of stuff and and honestly like those in a way are idols right
00:29:54
Speaker
even though they're said, you know, like, like in the Mormon church, it's like thou shalt not put any other idols before me, which is like God saying, don't worship anything else but me or whatever. Right.
00:30:08
Speaker
But they themselves are like idols, especially if you're going to worship Mary because Mary wasn't actually God, you know, it's kind of weird. i always thought that was strange, but that's just me. Um,
00:30:20
Speaker
But my my mindset has been, or like my thought process has been that the thing, I think the the biggest thing that I've learned oh since getting into witchcraft is yes, the magic is in us and we are like, we are the tool. We are the like divination, you know,
00:30:46
Speaker
whatever vessel yeah conduit like yeah and um but like that if you want to use the term god that we are all god like we are all god is in all of us yeah right we are it you know and we need to stop looking outside of ourselves for it it's in us yeah that's been a big thing for me honestly so like okay first of all i wanted to ask was there a direction you were intending to go when you asked me about my isolating myself at the start of my witchcraft journey um i just wanted to kind of
00:31:36
Speaker
kind of contrast and compare between what what you did and what I did so i I mean you were talking about your story while I decided I was gonna pull a card but like yeah so i point and I wasn't sure if um no my point was just like to compare and contrast your experience with things and like you purposely cutting yourself off and then me diving into like all the little know you know you know traps you know what i mean yeah yeah and and also i was gonna say there was you know you purposely stayed off the internet except for what you looked for on tumblr which is you know completely valid and whatever but like i had somehow run across a person that is that has a youtube channel and also has her own company and sells all kinds of stuff
00:32:29
Speaker
right sells ton of stuff that I have bought a ton of but I followed her on YouTube and she did like a monthly you know full moon ritual oh new moon ritual um you know a ritual for every sabbat and like I really enjoyed listening to her, learning things from her.
00:32:52
Speaker
But I realized after ah about a year or two that I just like couldn't do it anymore because i was like every time she would announce like her new her you know june's full moon ritual set was available on her website to buy for the you know ritual like i was always on there like man i remember and that's like 50 or 60 bucks you know and it was like i was like i'm gonna i gotta to buy the the set for the you know the next ritual or whatever And i had to kind of force myself to stop it.
00:33:26
Speaker
And like, I couldn't even really watch her anymore because I always wanted to buy the thing that she was trying to sell. Right. And so I stopped kind of like watching her as much. um But I will say, okay because like, there's always the valid point, like everybody has a right to try to like, make their money, you know, we all deserve it.
00:33:47
Speaker
yeah And she deserves to have her business and and stuff. But then there's ah idiots like me that are vulnerable to like, suggestion and susceptible to like, you know, influence like that and like, just suck it all in. and whatever but like beside all of that there i really did get a lot out of the stuff that you know she did like i listened and learned a lot and i remember specifically there was one ritual and i cannot remember what it was for like a sabbat or whatever it was there was ah it was like it had to do with like either chakra or energy like um
00:34:31
Speaker
Manipulation in the body or something like that. And. There it had to do like we use like a flame. i don't remember. I had I just remember there was a whole setup.
00:34:42
Speaker
And I did the thing. and I literally felt energy flowing in my body like through my chakra lines. Like i just felt it and was like, yeah holy fuck.
00:34:53
Speaker
This is for real. you know what I mean? Yeah. So like intention is everything. Yeah. So if I had the right guidance and the right, like, not tools, but like, literally just the right um knowledge or whatever. Resources.
00:35:13
Speaker
Resources, thank you. Yeah. If I had had all that stuff on my own first, I wouldn't have needed her to get to that point. You know? But like, I don't know. i I just wanted to throw that out there and say it's kind of funny how you know, I got sucked into all that, the trappings and like, but I feel like I did get something out of it in a way. And like, I do regret spending so much money, but like, it is what it is. I'm not spending it anymore.
00:35:44
Speaker
Like, right. Yeah. You learned, you've learned. And like, also i wouldn't call you an idiot because literally this is what companies are designed to do as and this is what people are designed to, you know, people who are,
00:36:00
Speaker
trying to make money are designed to, you know, they design their programs, they design their presentations, their whatever that they're offering for free as a way try to hook you into spending money on them.
00:36:12
Speaker
ha And like, they're good. sad but the eighty Yeah. But it's like by design, hu it's intentional. It's meant to pull people in.
00:36:24
Speaker
doesn't make you an idiot. doesn't make anybody an idiot just because they're susceptible to it because it's designed to make people susceptible to it yeah and i've like become a like in my life i've become aware of that to the point that i actually get so many like red flags bad vibes when i pick up on any of that kind of energy so like that's i mean maybe that's why i wasn't that into you know the rituals when you would send them like the youtube links to me i was just like i don't really want to
00:36:56
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um I don't want to watch. i don't I guess I forgot that I did that. Oh, all the time you were like begging me to join in on. And I was like, I'm good, dude.
00:37:08
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I'm good. I'm okay. I'm going to spend this full moon by myself. Thank you. Because I'm an isolationist. I don't know. But um it's funny too because like you were talking about earlier, that feeling of like God is within us.
00:37:27
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I distinctly remember that being one of the like first formative realizations that I had at some point while I was in school, like while I was like, cause I remember where I was. I remember being like middle of the night laying in my apartment in Boston, um ah like in bed in Boston.
00:37:49
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And, ah like just sort of thinking through all that i was realizing and learning and having that feeling of if God exists at all, it's within us.
00:38:09
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Yeah. And not out there somewhere. Yeah. And Like that was before i ever sat down and did a full moon ritual. That was like when I was purely trying to learn the basics beyond like tangible things.
00:38:29
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um Cause that's always been what interests me the most. Spell work is great in its own right. Like working with tools, with ingredients, with, you know, whatever.
00:38:43
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is wonderful. It has its place in the practice, you know, in my practice and anybody's practice, but what has drawn me in over and over and over again and continues to be in this, it's just sort of what I have come to understand is like my calling. Literally it calls to me is the, um the information that is unknowable out there.
00:39:10
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The mystery is it's mysticism. Mm-hmm. And that is what's in, that's, that's what's most important to me is not even what is source, but what does it mean to me and what can it do for me and for my life and for my community and my world?
00:39:34
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Like if we just tap in and connect. Yeah. Like, I'm so not the kind of person to be like, but why does it work this way? How does it work this way? It's like, i the why and the how, like, so do not matter. And it's all about that it exists at all.
00:39:55
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And that we can use it. We're supposed to use it yeah as a resource to shape our realities. Mm-hmm. Yep.
00:40:07
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For manifestation. um
Hermetic Principles and Universal Reflection
00:40:10
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And like that other, you know, the whole concept of remember in then in the non-duality class yeah talking about him. Our favorite class.
00:40:27
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So he was talking about you know how everything is connected and you know we are everything and everything is us.
00:40:39
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Yeah. And my, and the phrase that came into my head was that we are all each other. Yeah. We are one in the same. All, every person on this earth. Yeah.
00:40:50
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And, uh, That totally goes hand in hand with, you know, God is in every one of us, like, cause we are God. yeah and And if God is one thing or source or the universe or whatever term you want to put to it, cause to me it's all the same.
00:41:09
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Yeah. um And I don't typically use the word God at all, but I'm just using it because it's a word that people to typically. It's the accessible word. Yeah. Most people typically can, you know.
00:41:22
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ah conceptualize. Right. Was that a doggy? Yeah, a little baby! God is the term that most people can associate with easiest. Yeah.
00:41:34
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So that's why i use that word. But that's it. Yeah, makes sense. Yeah. i I, um, the concept of as above, so below. um Like, holy shit, I have not even but begun to plumb the depths of that concept but the as above so below has a second part which is as within so without i did not know that yeah um and that is sort of with it being also such a such an old concept too like an old
00:42:16
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I don't know. I don't even know what word to assign to it. Doctrine. um Pagan philosophy. Philosophy. It's a, it's a mysticism philosophy. Really. It comes from hermeticism.
00:42:30
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gotcha But it, um, and probably is even older than that really. Cause hermeticism is like not even, don't even understand the origins of that, but um I'll get there someday.
00:42:44
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Um, But the as within, it so without is the thing that I came across that backs up the feeling of God is within us because what is within us is reflected in the universe.
00:43:01
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The universe, the physical actual universe is outside of our physical human bodies, but it also is reflected inward inside of us, in our in our DNA, in our atoms.
00:43:15
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Would the phrase, we are all made of stars, ah go along with that? In a way, yes. um I hesitate to go that direction because of the way that some people have gone a little too far in the concept of being...
00:43:35
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star children or an in like an indigo child no that's not even what i what i and know i know that's what you mean but like i i i hesitate going in the direction of like we're made of stars because like it gets a little too um it's it's the magical thinking like yeah also we're talking about um That feeling of just like you know just trying to like build or construct a narrative that makes us, like certain people within like humanity, more important or having ah more important calling or mission on this planet.
00:44:20
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we're all here for a fucking reason. Yeah. Like some of us are a little more tuned in to what's going on but that's because of the way that we've chosen, like the way that we've used our agency.
00:44:37
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Like, I don't know. And that's, it's again, it's not, I don't say that to say we've made better choices and therefore we are better, blah, blah, blah. But nobody is all the same.
00:44:50
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We're all different. Right. We're all in different places. We're all on different journeys. But we are simply human with souls that are immortal, that live on, that have lived forever, that will live forever. And we are all connected through the universe that is around us and inside of each of us.
Groundedness in Spiritual Practices
00:45:17
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Mm-hmm. Yeah. So when you just brought up the magical thinking thing, I had um thoughts about that.
00:45:28
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And I wanted to say, i you know, what, you know, some of the concepts we're going to be talking about or that we have talked about already came from the conversations that were had in the Marco. But yeah.
00:45:43
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most of what we talked about so far been mostly just us, I think. Yeah. Like I will say, I haven't actually caught up with today's what, like what's been talked about today.
00:45:54
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Okay. for group group I haven't seen, there really hasn't been any anything but me. but Yeah. And and I know that you said you were going to go in. So I knew that you were in there, but um i just haven't gotten a chance to watch or listen.
00:46:08
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Okay. So I loved, you know, what one of our friends said about wanting to assign like a magical reasoning behind everything that happens. Like, oh yeah you know, like you have bad karma. So your freaking dryer stopped working, you know, or something, something like that. And then, you know, you can't just say like a bad thing happened because, you know, because you yeah had some, you know, crappy karma or some crap, you know, just whatever.
00:46:40
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Like, like, as our friend said, you know, sometimes shit just happens. no And, and I just think it's funny because I had the thought, you know, it's not just people in the woo woo community doing that. But look at, look at religious people that are like super, super religious.
00:47:03
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Yeah. You know, mostly like, you know, you get, you get an illness or you lose your job or some bad things happening to you. and it's like, they want to start saying, well, God must be punishing you because of whatever thing you did, you know? Right. It's like, no, no, no.
00:47:22
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Sometimes shit happens, you know? Yeah. You can't, you can't make it like mean something all the time. Like it's not, nothing's all like God did this or God did that magic, you know, did this or whatever.
00:47:35
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Yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna pull in another example, which came from another friend of ours in our Marco group, but it was in the book club group where she brought it up.
00:47:50
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Okay. I think i I can't remember which group it was, but I'm not going to name names and I'm not going to get specific. I'm just sort of gonna like, that's what I was trying not to do.
00:48:00
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Yeah. um But she was talking about having hesitation around the idea of like the cinnamon ritual on the first of the month.
00:48:12
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Yeah. Because she was feeling like her manifestation of abundance was coming with a side of like losing something else. ah Associating like her decision to manifest something with like the universe being like, all right, well you can have this, but you get this taken away.
00:48:32
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ahha and i had to make the point. that she, like, I mean, like, she came in understanding that, like, she was not exactly right about that, but I, like, came in sort of clarifying, and I, she came back appreciating what I was clarifying, that um the universe is not transactional, and the reason that she's having, you know, these troubles is because her job is within one of the more affected departments of the government right now,
00:49:06
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And my thought process, which I don't think I really fully laid out, but I did feel this way and I was thinking about it just now, is that like those things have nothing to do with like your own manifestations.
00:49:20
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Those things that are happening, they are like there's a bigger game afoot. If you want to call it a game, I don't want to call it a game, but sometimes people treat it like it's a game. um Mostly people in power.
00:49:33
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um There are bigger players with bigger ripples occurring due to their actions and it's their choices and not ours and sometimes shit just happens and it has nothing to do with us and what we manifested or didn't manifest or slacked on or whatever and everything to do with someone else's path even if you can't make the you know even if you can't
00:50:04
Speaker
like point your finger at the chain of events that caused it. It just happened that way. Yeah. and it just happened to affect you. And that's not because you did anything to deserve it, because other people's actions and just decisions and words have consequences that they don't even realize are happening.
00:50:29
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Just in the same way that your words and actions and and cross the indecisions have consequences. But most of us are not narcissistic megalomaniacs trying to run the world into the ground.
Taking Control of Life
00:50:47
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Yeah. yeah
00:50:52
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yeah Oh my God. at least 99% of us. Yeah, for real. but So to that end, it's I feel like the line between like recognizing magic for what it is and magical thinking that's potentially dangerous is a very thin one.
00:51:12
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ah And it is not a straight line either. i think it's like a lot more intricate than people are willing to acknowledge.
00:51:26
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Yeah. That's the case with the world in a lot of ways and a lot of instances. is things are a lot more intricate and nuanced than most people have the time energy and energy for. it People want things to be straightforward and simple.
00:51:41
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Nothing is ever straightforward and simple. And think you're doing yourself a disservice if you don't want to explore the intricacies to understand the way that it works better. Right.
00:51:54
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it'sleno It's like being a bull in a china shop if you don't. Yeah, and I think ah another way of expressing that same idea nothing is black and white.
00:52:05
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And there's so many millions of shades of gray and every other color of the rainbow in between that yeah like nobody wants... like People are lazy.
00:52:17
Speaker
People don't want to explore new concepts or new ideas. They just believe whatever it is they've been told their whole lives and don't want to think that there's another way that could also be right or...
00:52:27
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Yeah. You know, like, or they're just too busy, like, potentially too self-important. Yeah. And they just don't want to take the time. Like, you know, it's like, if you don't have the patience for that, like, you're not going to get anywhere, homie.
00:52:41
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Right. Like, not anywhere meaningful. Right. And that's a hot, hot take straight off the press for me. Like, yeah.
00:52:53
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i just I just feel that way. like it's you know People can live their lives and it's fine. It's whatever. It has nothing to do with me. But I watch people who are so busy and have no time to like sit and like understand the nuances of the universe.
00:53:08
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hu And yet they bitch and moan about why this and that happens or why they have the worst luck in the world and they' just like everything bad happens to them and they're just like blah, blah, blah. like All the shit.
00:53:22
Speaker
like falls on me all the time blah blah blah and it's like fucking slow down and back the fuck up for a second yeah because you are that is the bull in the china shop so that that the bull in the china shop is those people who just want like bumble through life bitching and moaning and not taking any time to understand why things are happening hu and giving themselves the grace that sometimes things happen that have nothing to do with you and that the universe is not out to get you.
00:54:05
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and just have, I have no patience for it anymore.
00:54:10
Speaker
Yeah. whatsoever yeah Part of the reason why I didn't pursue my psychology degree because i had realized pretty early on that happiness personal happiness is completely up to us it's completely in our control yeah regardless of whatever's happening in your life what circumstances are going on it's how you choose to look at things and how you choose to deal with things yeah and having peace within yourself regardless of
00:54:47
Speaker
what happens or what the outcomes are of things and whatever. But like, I just felt like I could just see myself sitting in a fricking office, listening to patients all day long, bitching and moaning about shit happening to them and just wanting to smack them.
00:55:07
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Shut up. Listen to yourself, you know? Yeah. I mean, and I realized that pretty early on. yeah And there are people out there who by some miracle can do that profession and not smack every single one of their clients.
00:55:28
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Right? God knows. Oh my God. I just started feeling, and like I said, when I say early on, it was like way before I ever looked into witchcraft as like a thing, you know? Right, yeah. While it was still in college 19. Yeah.
00:55:42
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and 20 and whatever, you know, was like, i don't know, dude. I don't know. i don't think I have the patience to deal with people like that. I certainly don't. Yeah.
00:55:54
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And I think I'm, I think I'm pretty happy for choosing to like not do that. Yeah. And that's good. That's a good thing that you realize that you did, but it's hilarious because i have spent so much of my personal time ruminating and overthinking and trying to analyze shit and analyze people and people's behaviors just to like make sense of it all so that I don't go crazy myself because the the the impatience level you know what I mean is so it's like I you know I just
00:56:32
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if I don't try to figure out why people are doing what they're doing, then I will just hate everybody. So I think about things like, why why, why, like, why are they doing that? And then, you know, you dig into the psychology of the wise and then it helps me kind of figure out, you know, everybody's fucked up just about, but you know what I'm saying? It's like, you know,
00:57:03
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was going to say the next step of your journey is learning how to step back and let go of the why. and to just be like, you know what?
00:57:15
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It doesn't matter to me, ah her you know, and to not let them impact you in that way, in that, like, you know, that much in that way.
00:57:26
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and to like, understand that like their journeys are theirs to be on and their lessons to learn. yeah And even if you were to sit down and explain it all to them point by point, they would never listen.
00:57:44
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I know. or I know. And so it's like, that is, that is, I mean, i don't know how much of it is my own personality as opposed to yours, but like my personality, I learned so fast. Like,
00:58:00
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If they don't understand this about themselves, themselves I can never explain them explain to them why. So I'm not going fucking bother. ah hu Even if they ask me, tell me why I'm so fucked up.
00:58:14
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I'm like, no.
00:58:17
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Go to therapy. That's not my job. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and just like to learn to step back from it and like save yourself a whole lot of grief, really.
00:58:28
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Uh-huh. you know, in the same, in the same way with arguing with strangers on the internet about the politics. Exactly. but Every time you say you're doing that, I'm just like, stop it. i Yeah. I, I haven't done that in a very long time.
00:58:42
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i mean, good. if I've done it it's been like one comment like you know and then I say fuck you and I'm done I just ignore that like if I post something and Facebook and some dumb ass wants to come in there and make comments about it and I just say one thing like to like you know contrast whatever they're saying or I don't know whatever the word is I'm looking for but you know what i mean like to try and make a point and then they still are like blah blah blah and i'm just like whatever fuck off and i just ignore i ignore all the comments and posts like on on that post i'll like leave it up i don't care yeah oh i just don't come back i don't even delete comments unless it's really what i and i block people that's what i do oh okay listen if you're gonna spew hate
00:59:33
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yeah Like, there is no room for that here. Get out of my life. I like when some dummy comes in and says- I shouldn't be using those kind of words.
00:59:44
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But you know what I'm saying? Like, somebody who has a completely wrong point of view- about whatever i like leaving it there because I have enough people that are friends with me on Facebook that can come in and set them straight for me oh yeah I have enough other people that can just be like they'll read the comments and be like well you're wrong because blah blah blah and I don't have to do anything so I just leave it be I'm like yeah okay yeah at this point I probably have you know enough people too
01:00:17
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that would do that too but i prefer to just take the trash out myself yeah be rid of it but yeah but even still the point that i was gonna make with regards to like why people like people won't like even if you explain things point by point is really that like so like people absolutely do not fucking want to hear why they're fucked up ah they're not even curious and it's like I mean, I know it's like an obvious, like, of course people are repelled. They don't want to hear criticism. They don't want to hear, you know, why you think they're a piece of shit or whatever.
01:00:55
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But like, it goes deeper than that because it's like people, ah particularly people who bumbling along the way that I described the bulls in the china shop, they are so fucking afraid of facing their realities.
01:01:11
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And I actually don't think I have a point about that except to say that. like like Those people are terrified of what they don't understand. And like part of me like wishes there was a way to show them like there is nothing that your shadow can do to you that's not already being done ah by the way that you like self-destruct in your own life.
01:01:41
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Yeah. They don't want to look in the mirror and take any accountability for their own actions or behaviors. Yeah. And like the thing is, like, it is so not that scary to take accountability.
01:01:55
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It's not. And it helps put you and in your control. It's arguably more comfortable to face what you do and how you've treated people or like the just the, you know, collateral damage you've left
Episode Reflection and Promotion
01:02:09
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behind. yeah then to continue to ignore it and to continue to to cause more damage.
01:02:15
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Right.
01:02:18
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Plus when you know, when you, when you can take accountability and responsibility, you have more control. You, you, that's how you are able to. you make better choices.
01:02:30
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get in control of yourself and in control of things that's happening to you yeah yeah just like you were saying people people who are bitching about like why me why is this happening to me you know it's like well fuck look at look at your what you're doing and choices you're making yeah it all leads down to leads to the same thing you know like you have to be in in more conscious of what you're doing all the time yeah Yeah. And there are people that are terrified of accepting that they can have some semblance of control over their own lives, too.
01:03:02
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hu You know, there's this fear that if you try to control your life and things still go wrong, then it's your fault. OK.
01:03:13
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But if you don't try to control what's going on and shit goes wrong, it's not your fault and you can just roll out of it. but Either way, it's still your fault.
01:03:24
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I'm like, but there's so much more potential for better outcomes. Yeah. And like, control I swear to God, and in in my mind, either way, it's still your fault.
01:03:35
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Yeah. Because you have chosen not to take any control. That is your choice. Yeah. So it's still your fault. Right? Yeah. You're so right.
01:03:46
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You're so fucking right, dude. Yeah. Yeah. but So the the thinking is flawed in so many ways. It's true. It's true. Yeah, this conversation has gone in like a bunch of new directions that I wasn't expecting. Yeah, same.
01:04:05
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Yeah, in like a good way. Yeah. But at the same time, like it, i don't know. I think everything is relevant to what we were originally talking about.
01:04:16
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But at the same time, I'm like, hmm, how did we get here? Yeah. i totally get that dude i'm like ah now where do we go yeah yeah but like we definitely made some good points how do you feel ah about um our uh our topic today i like it i think that card was so fitting yeah it really really tied it all together burn the idols because god is within all of us we are god
01:04:48
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truth we're each a god s as well
01:04:54
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yeah it's true it was it was ah needed conversation i feel hopefully it helps put some perspective on stuff for some people yeah yeah but if it doesn't so be it we hope that it has been beneficial to you listener thanks for hanging in there and listening to us yeah Yeah, like we said, we went in a bunch of different directions. so I'm sure in um a couple of instances it was a little bit like, ooh, like what's going on?
01:05:24
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Whiplash. Yes, a roller coaster. That's us Over up in this bitch. um But yeah, its it was a good one.
01:05:35
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We talked about this when we recorded our bonus episode yesterday, we're not going to explain any context. Did you get your coffee?
01:05:46
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that you were supposed to try today no i did not uh no i did not i know got because i made like a whole big thing of coffee this morning and i was like i don't want any more coffee yeah well i'm glad that the peach coffee was good yeah yeah so you liked it more than you thought you would I did indeed. it It does, especially when you got that Italian cream or the the sweet cream um flavor of creamer.
01:06:23
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like It really does have that peaches and cream vibe and it works with coffee. I don't know. I don't understand why, but it does. Interesting. Yeah, it's interesting. It's very summery.
01:06:34
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I like it. It sounds good. I might have to, you know, um might have to look for that and na try it myself. Yeah, I would recommend it for sure. Sweet.
01:06:46
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So, yes. Cool beans. Huzzah! Anyhow. Yay! We have to go to bed. Definitely.
01:06:59
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Even though I don't have work tomorrow, I want go to You're so lucky, dude. I have to clean my whole laundry room out. No!
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