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Tiny Car Podcast episode #10
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Torben, Bob, and Jim review the Detroit and Madison model car shows and preview upcoming events in Milwaukee and Minneapolis. They hold an imaginary draft for model tools and discuss the possibilities of a master class for some of the elite builders. The team ponders the amount of money it might take to build a contest winner and comes up with their 6 favorite drivers.
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Transcript
Introduction and Special Guest Announcement
00:00:03
Torben Rothgeb
Welcome to the Tiny Car Podcast. This is your host, Torvin Rosgab, and my co-host, Bob Maverick, coming to you live from the Lake Street Studios in beautiful Minneapolis, the coolest city in the world.
00:00:18
Torben Rothgeb
All right. Well, hello out there. Thank you for joining us at the Tiny Car Podcast. We are joined by my co-host, Bob, and we have a very special guest, ah Jim Campman. Very special. um It's kind of like the Steve Martin on the early Saturday night Live episodes that came on so many times that you're practically part of the show.
00:00:40
Torben Rothgeb
Unfortunately, I can't figure out how to record the intro again and include you. At least you're honest. Yes. That's a good thing. you know And Steve Martin stole the show. and He did. he Well, you're a wild and crazy guy, too. King Tut was one of my favorites. As you do here.
00:00:56
Torben Rothgeb
What's that? As you do here.
00:01:01
Torben Rothgeb
All right, well, we have all kinds of great stuff to talk about.
Jim's Event Highlights and Experiences
00:01:05
Torben Rothgeb
Jim went to the IPMS show in Madison, and he's going to give us a full report on that. I was lucky enough to attend the Motor City Madness in Detroit, Michigan.
00:01:16
Torben Rothgeb
um Also got to finally eat some Detroit-style pizza, so that was ah one of the highlights of the trip. We'll talk about upcoming shows in Milwaukee and Minneapolis.
00:01:30
Torben Rothgeb
And now we'll have ah we're going to have a draft. We're going to draft model tools with the NFL draft ah coming up. I thought it good time to have a draft. Unfortunately, it's in Wisconsin, the NFL draft.
00:01:45
Torben Rothgeb
So ah you could probably play a drinking game on how many times you see people with cheese. In Green Bay. In Green Bay. Oh, that's too bad. So we'll have our own draft, though. Maybe they could draft Aaron Rodgers. Maybe could come back. He's looking for a job, you know. I know.
00:02:04
Torben Rothgeb
Well, they've already paid love. He's high paid. Sorry, ah Randy, we're talking football again. that was Our number one fan, Randy, is critique on us that we talked too much football. i No more football.
00:02:18
Torben Rothgeb
No more football. But we do have new releases, kind of new releases. ah We'll be talking about those, um including Model Car Magazine finally came out with number 226, magazine.
Magazine Discussions and Show Impressions
00:02:32
Torben Rothgeb
ah magazine ah We'll talk about that. We'll talk about our other magazine, Auto Modeler. um And we can't forget the great Tim Kidwell's fine scale modeler. So we'll be talking a little bit about the magazines.
00:02:48
Torben Rothgeb
um We have a question of the month. ah um If you had to build a movie car, because I don't think you guys are into movie cars. No, that's not true. Now, one of my great purchases at the Motor City Madness was a car that i I, if I built it, I would build it as a movie car. okay um And so I'm to pick Bob's Brain because it's a weathered movie car.
00:03:14
Torben Rothgeb
And then we'll finish up with our Super 6, which will be Favorite Drivers. So all of us are in the RPM Club, which focuses on racing. So.
00:03:26
Torben Rothgeb
um It should not be too hard to come up with our six favorite drivers. So, um but let's go back to Madison. What, Jim, you attended that. to Tell us all about it. Yeah. So the Madison show, that's the Mad City Modelers. That's the local club in Madison.
00:03:45
Torben Rothgeb
They've been putting this show on for at least 20 years. I don't know what the exact dates of when they started it, but it's been going on for a long time. So, I'd never actually attended before, and I had an invitation from the holidays to ride along. So, sure, why not? So, I'll just give you my short...
00:04:03
Torben Rothgeb
um, synopsis of the show and my thoughts about it. So it's, it was held in the same location as last year's nationals, the, Frank Lloyd Wright Monona Terrace, which is a phenomenal place to have model contest. Beautiful place. Looks right out onto the lake. Yeah. And so, um, and just, it's just on the main floor and nationals had like three floors. This show only had one and that was more than enough for what they, um, for the attendance. So, um,
00:04:33
Torben Rothgeb
Minnesota modelers were really well represented as is usually the case. ah So I will say that the contest turnout was quite a bit lower than I had expected. I thought it would be a really good turnout because the show's been going on for so long. I don't know if it's because nationals last year or there's other shows coming up that people couldn't make it.
00:04:56
Torben Rothgeb
ah There was no weather issues. But in any event, um aircraft and armor were not Not very well attended, in my opinion, for what for what it is.
00:05:07
Torben Rothgeb
Plenty of awards to go around. um There was one award that I want to touch on that I didn't know anything about until I got there, and that's the Top Gun Award.
00:05:18
Torben Rothgeb
And what that is is you can enter any model that's won in any contest in the past and re-enter it in this class.
00:05:30
Torben Rothgeb
And... which I thought was kind of interesting, but not that interesting. and It was something I'd gone to participate in, but you know, it had a pretty good turnout. There's actually one person in our club that actually joined, that actually entered it, entered three models from the nationals that he'd won last year and didn't place, but Scott, printum Scott promo ended up winning that.
00:05:54
Torben Rothgeb
um Then there was, you know, kind of my forte or what I really like to build is the drag racing theme and, and the model that won best drag car, which I, I would actually say wouldn't be a drag car because it's not, it's a street car basically. But anyway, ah the person that won class, he, the model actually was doing a wheel stand
00:06:26
Torben Rothgeb
And if you're going to do a model with a wheel stand, you might want to put a figure in the car because otherwise it's a ghost driver. And that's not, you know, anyway, but judging was okay. I didn't agree with some of the stuff, but obviously I'm not a judge.
Judging Insights and Competition Dynamics
00:06:42
Torben Rothgeb
A lot of flashlights to examine the models, which I'd never seen before.
00:06:46
Torben Rothgeb
Vendor area was was pretty good. It wasn't... So it looked like Watergate in there with all the flashlights. so I was thinking more like an Ever Ready battery convention. But, um yeah, no, it's just... ah ah The raffle looked looked good. I don't usually typically typically enter the raffle, but I thought it was a decent turnout. They had some nice models.
00:07:11
Torben Rothgeb
um Like I said, our our contingent did did well. The Hallidays, Tyler won best rat rod, also first place in hot rod, and his father won with his...
00:07:26
Torben Rothgeb
Oh, Charger 500. K&K car. Yes, 71. And ah Bill Reed also won with his Volkswagen in custom class. And then local legend Steve Hustad was somewhere in the 12 to 15 award range for that.
00:07:45
Torben Rothgeb
so But, you know, all in all, it was fun. You know, it's a great place. Madison is a great, great city. So, um yeah, I would recommend you want to check it out. I'm sure it'll be around again next year. Okay.
00:07:58
Torben Rothgeb
okay Well, you know, that Top Gun class ah kind of reminds me, wasn't there a time where, um but with with some of the armor, I think, were they kicking around the idea of having like, um almost like a person wins a certain amount, they're kind of put into a different class, master builder.
00:08:22
Torben Rothgeb
might have that yeah yeah i was kind of thinking about that that's not madison though right no that's here oh yeah yeah it's here uh i was kind of thinking under some yeah they were talking about doing that and it's never really come to fruition yeah yeah yeah you know so i was well the uh michigan show um You know, the guy ah who was emceeing it, um he mentioned, and he had a decent point, and, ah you know, he came off with a little bit of a tone. I think he was, you know, probably irritated by hearing the complaints.
00:08:56
Torben Rothgeb
um But, you know, ah Tim um Casper. but Tim Casper builds phenomenal stuff. And so his Corvette won Best in Show and probably some other things.
00:09:11
Torben Rothgeb
And he was kind of addressing the, you know, everybody says this is a Tim Casper show. Well, my advice for you is that if that bothers you, then build better, you know. And so that got me thinking about when you mentioned that master class and thinking like, um like, say, let's just take our top 10 at NNL North.
00:09:38
Torben Rothgeb
um Like if you won that a certain amount of times, maybe five times, then you would be in a master class and be like a Hall of Famer and kind of thing. um So it would be good for, you know, the contest people, you know, for their egos. But then also then it would maybe...
00:09:57
Torben Rothgeb
take all of those heavy hitters out into their own category. You know, that's it's the reality it gets to be complicated, um you know, because then you're like coming up with the parameters and stuff like that. And, you know, like the MC at at the Motor City Madness said, do you can build better.
00:10:19
Torben Rothgeb
if If it bothers you that you don't win best in show, then you can, you know, it's not a ah It's not like an ancient Chinese secret how you win, right? You know you you you start you you just build, you spend 100 hours on a kit, right detail the hell out of it, open up everything, put it on a stand.
00:10:40
Torben Rothgeb
and ah And it's much harder than than what I'm saying. Right. You know, these guys are talented. I'm not taking anything away from the Tim Caspers, the Randy Durrs, the Clay Kemps, Jay Savarese's of the world.
00:10:54
Torben Rothgeb
Um, you know, but at the same time, ah then it would put those people in the same class maybe, but you know, like I said, it is complicated on how you come up with those parameters and then, you know, um, each show is different.
00:11:12
Torben Rothgeb
Um, People do this for different reasons. And obviously some people do it for a particular reason, you know, and that's, that's the reality. if you put your model up on a big shiny spinning base, you're you're begging for attention.
00:11:25
Torben Rothgeb
Mm-hmm. You know? And that's that's fine. That's what you want to That brings you joy. Yes. That's cool. That's cool. You know, there's plenty of trophy hounds out there. Oh, yeah. yeah. Well, another thing got me thinking, too, is with all the abundance of three d parts out there.
00:11:40
Torben Rothgeb
And then um on the way over there, we were talking with, ah you know, rode with Chad Trusk and Johns Weber. So they're talking about some of these websites. And so I started looking at the RB Motion stuff.
00:11:53
Torben Rothgeb
And my God, they have some cool stuff. And they have like each individual spark plug and the boots and the whatever thing um to, ah you know, something Jim Allen would be interested in is,
00:12:05
Torben Rothgeb
what on your little ticket when you're filling it out, how much money did you
Model Car Building Costs and Experiences
00:12:10
Torben Rothgeb
spend on this kit? would be really interesting. right Because right you know building a contest car nowadays is, you wonder how much money some of these guys have in some of this stuff. Just looking at the RV Motion one, and it's pretty reasonably priced.
00:12:28
Torben Rothgeb
did you see him? Well, I had to go online. He wasn't at Detroit. No, he because he hasn't isn't actually in business anymore, for what I recall. Okay. Well, his website still has stuff. I didn't order any of it.
00:12:41
Torben Rothgeb
but just And if it's not RB Motion, but just people like that. Right. If you're going and ordering all these ancient individual things, then ah you know you could...
00:12:51
Torben Rothgeb
Get $200, $300. Well, and at the Nationals, how much did somebody had a set, just a detailing set that was like $700 or $800 for a real big kit? It was a Porsche 935, and it was a scale motorsports.
00:13:05
Torben Rothgeb
It was under new new ownership now, but he had that set, and that set was anywhere between $300 and $700. I mean, originally when it came out, but now it's not available anymore, so it's very expensive.
00:13:18
Torben Rothgeb
He's done a few of those sets. It's for the ultra-detailed. It's everything you need, though. Right, yeah. It's got turned aluminum rims and everything. Except gasoline. Except gasoline, right? Exactly. so Yeah, yeah.
00:13:32
Torben Rothgeb
Well, speaking of Michigan, I had a great a great time. um Now, I won't necessarily use the quote that if you're if you love model cars, you have to go to the motor station. mean...
00:13:46
Torben Rothgeb
you'll have fun. um But it's ah you know it's like every swap meet you've gone to, only bigger. And it certainly puts me in the mind of the Toledo shows. you know So it's it's big.
00:13:58
Torben Rothgeb
They got a lot of cool stuff. I think with all swap meets, it comes down to probably the best deals you get is just who happens to be getting rid of their collection, right? You know, because there's two types of people in this hobby.
00:14:12
Torben Rothgeb
There's buyers and they're sellers, you know? And so if you catch a guy who is just happens to be, I need to get rid of this stuff. You can find deals, um you know, but then,
00:14:24
Torben Rothgeb
And then you got all the people in the middle. They had a really big bender who had like anything and everything like the Dick Trickle Mustang. And they weren't horribly priced. I think he had that for 150. That's not bad Yeah.
00:14:38
Torben Rothgeb
Um, he had the Motown missile, I think for two or 300, he had all of those pro stock ones and, know, just a great selection. And they were about what you would think a reasonable price for those would be.
00:14:50
Torben Rothgeb
um You know, it certainly was a nice long walk around going through everything. um i was reasonably, ah you know, self-disciplined. My haul included a $15 Charger 500.
00:15:06
Torben Rothgeb
Unfortunately, the thing that these shows is for somebody with ADHD, they get you off on a tangent because I was relatively well-disciplined, but now I spent my time since I've been back modifying this into a a stock car. And so...
00:15:22
Torben Rothgeb
ah working on that. And then I also happened to buy a big bag of glue bombs and I threw together a chassis from that bag of glue bombs. It seems to work ah really well under there. um And then yes.
00:15:38
Torben Rothgeb
yes Yeah. um And then a guy who was selling off his collection ah had a Dodge NASCAR truck, the 43 Hot Wheels.
00:15:50
Torben Rothgeb
That is, well, you know, with ah relatively new NASCAR kits, I consider it the big three. you know Most of your NASCAR kits are $5 to $15 about.
00:16:02
Torben Rothgeb
about But there are three ah three ones that happen to be really, ah they didn't make a lot of them. And so their value has increased.
00:16:13
Torben Rothgeb
You got the Ryan Newman, like 2004 Dodge. They also did a Coors Light one. built that And that's kind of tricky because they did a 2001. And those are little go for a little more than the other ones.
00:16:28
Torben Rothgeb
But then they did a 2004. So tell them the difference on those ah can be hard. um I know I got one from our beloved Bill Reed for $10. so oh But that but those the Ryan Newman one is the one you see the most of. That that goes that can go for $50 to $70. Then the Dodge trucks, the NASCAR trucks can go for $60 to $80. They got the 43 one and there's a number one.
00:16:57
Torben Rothgeb
also like i Was that the Mopar one? Yeah. right yep And then um when Revelle did their last, ah their Gem 6 NASCARs, it started out that the Chase Elliott one went for a lot, up to like $100.
00:17:13
Torben Rothgeb
Uh, but also, and he had the Chevy, the only Chevy that they did, uh, for the glue kits. Uh, but then they also had the Ford fusions and those are starting to go up a fair amount too.
00:17:24
Torben Rothgeb
Um, I've seen some of those go for 75 or 80 and a Sedanica Patrick, uh, Aspen dental. And then the, um, Jimmy John's subs ah from ah Kevin Harvick. Kevin Harvick car.
00:17:38
Torben Rothgeb
So those are the three, yeah three NASCAR ones that do bring bring some money. this Well, and that is the I guess at this particular time looking at the box because they have what looks like kind of ah a kid drew the Trans Am logo, but it's actually a Camaro.
00:17:58
Torben Rothgeb
um I guess at that point, the Trans Ams were out selling the Camaros lot. So they tried to make this Camaro look like a Trans Am on the box. But over the years, I have kind of developed a fondness. I even remember a guy selling a 74 Camaro and I wasn't super impressed. You know, it just didn't look as good as 70 to 73s. You know, they yeah They put in the law, you had to have the bumpers and it took Detroit a while ah to mold the bumpers into where they looked right.
00:18:28
Torben Rothgeb
And so, but, you know, now ah it looks like a pretty good looking car. And so I was able to find this one for, it was 45 and I, the guy took 40 for it.
00:18:40
Torben Rothgeb
Don't push yourself. when you're at the swa gym jim allend and down yeah and you know with only a five dollars ah fee to get in you i made my money back and made another three on the charger five hundred what like well that is a great transition bob um because i thought it voices are that's like your professional um well i don't push yourself
00:19:08
Torben Rothgeb
Well, I was a lover of the drive-in, and and we still used to have a drive-in at the lake. You were a lover at the drive-in? No, no. You say it your way. I'll say it mine.
00:19:19
Torben Rothgeb
you By the time I'd moved up here with the drive-in in St. Elmo, and I think they had one up in Blaine. Elmo? You mean Lake Elmo? St. Elmo's Fire. Yeah. treasure i a you Don't start singing that. Here it goes. All right.
00:19:33
Torben Rothgeb
couldn feel St. Elmo's fire burning inside of me. Stop. But I won't sing it, even though it is burning inside of me. It's burning. unfortunate That's unfortunate. And one of the movies that I had the fortune or unfortunate to to see was ah Transformers, um which...
00:19:53
Torben Rothgeb
The movie was very so-so, but it did have a very cool mid-70s Camaro that was
Model Building Techniques and Inspirations
00:20:02
Torben Rothgeb
weathered. okay And so when I was purchasing this Camaro, I was thinking it would be really. Did you have a vision? I had a vision. from my got I got a fever, and the only thing that's going to cure this fever is building Bumblebee, is what they called him.
00:20:20
Torben Rothgeb
Unfortunately, in the sequel, which I was also unfortunate enough to see, because by this time, Torben Jr. wanted to see ah the sequel, they had a new Camaro. But the first one did have the Smith 70s.
00:20:33
Torben Rothgeb
So looking at it, they weathered it. And so I was going to ask you, looking at that, ah and I know it's great podcasting, ah but I will put it on the Facebook co for Bumblebee, anybody who's seen the movie.
00:20:49
Torben Rothgeb
Mm hmm. For weathering, how would you attack that? What would you start it off with? I just prime the body and then I would spray probably testers rust or whatever kind of a rust color you want to airbrush it on thinner for Mr. Color Leveling Thinner. A.K.A.
00:21:08
Torben Rothgeb
God's Tears. yes And then let it dry and then spray on a Daytona yellow it looks like. And you can make it, it's it's probably going to be pretty faded. so I wouldn't even, if you if you can get it to be kind of semi-gloss or whatever. Okay. But before you put the yellow on, I'm sorry, after you put the rust color on, spray a coat of hairspray on it.
00:21:28
Torben Rothgeb
Okay. You know, as you can tell, I use it frequently. But I mean, it's just lots of hairspray on it and then let it dry and then spray your color coat on and then go in like the next day. i wouldn't, you know, you can you can do it depending on what kind of paint you use.
00:21:42
Torben Rothgeb
You go in the next day and get a new toothbrush, you know, it's just a regular toothbrush, kind of a stiff brush one and go in and start, with water, dip it in warm water and start scrubbing away and it will take off the paint.
00:21:55
Torben Rothgeb
ah hu Now I've only done this with acrylics on top. I've never done it with an enamel or a lacquer on top. So I usually do it with an, with an acrylic and then the, so I've got primer, rust color, which is ah an enamel, hairspray, and then an acrylic color on top, you know, and then I go with the toothbrush and you can probably start to, this looks like it's primered. You could brush that So I'd have the lacquer gray primer, then ah enamel rust, right and then the acrylic color coat. Or hairspray in between, though. And hairspray after the rust. After the rust.
00:22:35
Torben Rothgeb
So that's what I would do. I don't know. I've never done it with an enamel. I don't know if it works, but I could try it. ah you know So I've always had real good luck with this acrylic. And then maybe pastel...
00:22:47
Torben Rothgeb
Have the decals on and then pat put some pastels for right in the gray. Right, and have the decals on it too because you want the decals to be blended and you don't want them to be sticking out like, you know, you see the airplane builders that have a weathered Wildcat, and then the stars and bars are like bright and shiny. like Now, ah Jim, I noticed on the car, they have aluminum sloths on the back, and then they have Kragers on the front for good old Bumblebee.
00:23:17
Torben Rothgeb
There's a better picture that had both of them here. What would be a good kit to find the tires on those?
00:23:26
Torben Rothgeb
Uh... Well, yeah I mean, there's there's there's if there's different ways you can go. You can find the decals, the radial TA, BF Gridrich TAs. ah hu I'm sure you can find those.
00:23:39
Torben Rothgeb
I know, was the company that did the dry transfers of all the tires? Shabo did for a while. Yeah, they used to do all that stuff. um But yeah, um it wouldn't be too tough.
00:23:49
Torben Rothgeb
I mean, you got to rifle through your You know, parts, bins, and that kind of thing. Put it, you know, ask people at the meetings, that kind thing. Crankers are pretty easy. The radio TAs wouldn't be that hard to find, really.
00:24:03
Torben Rothgeb
Especially in this age of 3D printing, right? Well, yeah, but I mean, i think you can find some of these pretty easily if you ask around. You know, you have toy shows and swap meets there where people have parts for sale, you know.
00:24:16
Torben Rothgeb
Mm-hmm. it's It's, you know, use use your club has a handle as a guide or whatever. so Yeah. yeah Awesome. Cool. Well, speaking of that, if you guys had to do a movie car, because i don't I don't think that's maybe your jam or up your alley, but let's say if you just wanted to contribute to a show that had a movie car theme, you had to do a movie car, what what would it be?
00:24:49
Torben Rothgeb
um I'm kind of an F1 guy, so if I was going to do a movie car, I'd probably do a McLaren M23, the car that James Hunt drove in Rush. or Or I would do that one, or I would do Kenny Miles' car from Le Mans in 66. That'd be good.
00:25:07
Torben Rothgeb
The GT40. That's what I would do. You probably know what I'm going to say. Take a guess. drag car? No. Oh, you said Days of Thunder. No, it's a TV movie car.
00:25:19
Torben Rothgeb
Oh, Rockford Files. Oh, jeez. General Lee. right. All right, TV, hold on. Time's up. Starsky and Hutch. You all know it's a movie. It could be a movie, too.
00:25:29
Torben Rothgeb
Yes. yeah It's easy. It's two-lane blacktop. Two-lane blacktop, yes. That'd be the 55 Chevy? Well, I mean, there's there's a number of cars. I mean, yeah you can pick stuff out of the movie, too.
00:25:40
Torben Rothgeb
Like they race race a Hemi Cuda in one of the tracks or whatever and beat the pants out of it. But, yeah. No, I mean, there's there's you know there was a Tom Tomongus McEwen in the Snake movie. You could pull stuff out of that.
00:25:57
Torben Rothgeb
There's any number of things that have never been done. or never been done well. Yeah. You know, Eric did a masterful job on his two-lane black top 55. He did the American Graffiti. Oh, is that what it was? He did the Graffiti. That's the same car.
00:26:12
Torben Rothgeb
It's the same car, right? But when is, are they both black? Yes. Okay. All right. I can see you've never seen those. But it's okay. Wasn't one in Grey Prime or something? No.
00:26:23
Torben Rothgeb
No. So anyway, okay yeah, you're right. Two-lane blacktop, but it was the same car. Okay. The actual car that they used in the filming was used in both movies. Yeah. Okay. no So anyway, it's kind of a cult classic.
00:26:36
Torben Rothgeb
um I'll let you go next since you're third. Well, you know, one of my favorite movies, although, well, yeah, it's almost as good as Fast Times at Ridgemont High, but I feel like Fast Times at Ridgemont High is the 80s version, and this was the 70s version, but Dazed and Confused. Mm-hmm.
00:26:53
Torben Rothgeb
And they have so many great cars. And I actually was ah progressing nicely on this 70 GTO. okay um Unfortunately, I left it at a beautiful a shade of orbital orange on it. And it looked really great and i put in the dehydrator and um i didn't follow cameron's directions i thought you said you went to watch a baseball game or something well it's more than a baseball game i left it in there for a day or two and then i remember that i gave you that body i do i do there's still have it then yes i still have the body i uh you know but
00:27:31
Torben Rothgeb
It is very interesting. Once a project gets stalled, then you lose momentum and you're doing something else. wouldn't know that at all. Sorry. That's not something that ever happens to us.
00:27:42
Torben Rothgeb
No. So... um Yeah, that would be my – It would be your choice. The 70 GTO from that. Orbit orange is a great color. It is.
00:27:53
Torben Rothgeb
It is. Pretty close to grabber orange. Very close, but it's not the same. And go mango. No, no. And even papaya. What did you say? Go mango? thought you tango. We were in Detroit. We were in Detroit. There it is. M&M. Thank you, Ted. Bob Seger. Kissed.
00:28:11
Torben Rothgeb
So talk about the aura that was in the hotel room. Oh, my gosh. i I feel like there's a lot of weed in Minneapolis. But holy hell, from the second I got out the car, even outside in that little pull-up area they have at hotels, ah to the walking in, it was just – and Chad even turned to me while i was walking. He's like, I feel like I have a contact bus already. Yeah.
00:28:38
Torben Rothgeb
that yeah that Probably did. Yeah. yeah no And then when I went to get towels, the lady who was cleaning the rooms, I went into that main room where they had their stuff.
00:28:53
Torben Rothgeb
And that must be the smoke room because that looked like Cheech and Chong. Or speaking of fast times at Ridgemont High, when Spicoli came out of the VW van. And it's just... ah That wafting smell.
00:29:09
Torben Rothgeb
but Interesting. So I've heard different comments on from people but between 500 and then reality of 275 as far as the numbers of models there. I've heard everything everything in between.
00:29:20
Torben Rothgeb
You're talking about to Detroit? had to Yeah, Detroit. Well, there were, i you know, Tim Boy does a great job because he covers that those shows. Right. And he had on his Fodke page the whole, he takes pictures of every model that's in the contest and also the builder.
00:29:36
Torben Rothgeb
And i always always gotta always get a kick out of Torben because, you know, there'll be all these detailed, you know, so-and-so from Detroit, Michigan. And then I get down, it's like, pencil.
00:29:48
Torben Rothgeb
Torben. Oh, that's our Torben. Nothing like putting a lot of thought into that. I guess you were in a hurry or something. The swap meet was calling me. You could see what I'm really passionate about. So it was funny too, because I got there with, ah you know, Chad and John and, you know, they both have their, their special little looks like FBI suitcases. You know, i think they cut, and they they probably have it. What does WeatherTech do? They'd laser cut.
00:30:15
Torben Rothgeb
They probably, they have laser cut for their models you know wow and i just have this plastic tote and so we get there and uh you know right away they're like setting their stuff out i just throw my tote down and i'm hitting swap me trying to hit all the deals because those deals go early and then two hours later after i know we've known i come back yes and then i just uh you know i got these cards and it brings you joy you know it's okay you know yeah so So, yeah, I heard about 270 or something. No, 270 is what Tim said were entered, and he said that was actually a really good turnout. um
00:30:51
Torben Rothgeb
They get a pretty good contingent of fire rescue type models that are really nicely done, as well as semis and that type of stuff. That stuff we do not get here.
00:31:02
Torben Rothgeb
but That um Charles Rowley, he comes to that show. I already saw the video with him there, produced kind of stuff. I mean, that's a reason to go right there because he's a really good builder. He's really good.
00:31:12
Torben Rothgeb
And he's very um helpful in giving you, you know, telling you how he did it and all that stuff. so be he Well, no, I don't think he's in the same league, but But, yeah, no, it's um hopefully we can all put that together for our fall trip.
00:31:29
Torben Rothgeb
Yep, the fall trip. In October. so Yeah. You probably won't want to go, though. so We'll see. We'll see. Well, Chad got a, yeah you know, we've been lately the latest trend seems to be these poker chip things.
Unique Awards and Future Show Plans
00:31:43
Torben Rothgeb
And so ah Chad's, um what is the – It's like the the kind of watercolors. Yeah, the 3D pagoda thing that he did. It was an anime-style car. It was on the cover of Fine Scale. Yeah.
00:32:00
Torben Rothgeb
Yes. um Yeah, Jim Drew good gave him a little chip for that. Oh, nice. And John was talking to Jim Drew. And then it wasn't until later that realized he he built a really good Corvette Grand Sport.
00:32:14
Torben Rothgeb
He did the one in the magazine. that was based on the 12th scale. Corvette monogram one. yeah Scratch built basically everything on that car. I was like, damn, I should have asked him some questions about racing Corvettes. And he didn't do well at Salt Lake because the paint wasn't shiny enough.
00:32:34
Torben Rothgeb
Okay. but Because of the race car. Leading up to that, that was the kind of, right, those are two early favorites with Randy Durr and him, right?
00:32:45
Torben Rothgeb
For what now? Yeah. When they were going to the last, because I asked Andy. Yeah, Jim Drew didn't go. I don't think Jim Drew went to the last song. Okay. but But, yeah, no. Well, that was one of the early favorites, because I i was asking Andy who he's on. Oh, I got you. Randy had his Corvette there. Yeah, he had his Corvette there, and he cleaned up.
00:33:04
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. um So, yeah, the show was good. you know ah You know, some really good cars on the table. Um, man, like I said, uh, you know, Tim Casper one with the Corvette.
00:33:17
Torben Rothgeb
I think he has lights on it. to I didn't get a good look at it, but it's a really, uh, cool custom. It's well done. It's probably my favorite that he's done of all the stuff I've seen him do. I think it's probably the one that I like the most.
00:33:30
Torben Rothgeb
Mm-hmm. Um, John, uh, Weber one, uh, think it was maybe best engine for his, uh, Daytona. Right. I thought it was, I thought it was his Datsun.
00:33:42
Torben Rothgeb
No, I thought anyway. Yeah. Yeah. yeah He, he won. And, uh, Chad got third in street machines with his, uh, Volkswagen. Oh, That looks black first, but it's actually maroon.
00:33:55
Torben Rothgeb
It's maroon. Yeah. Right. Um, so, um, yeah, that was good. Uh, there There was a, ah the guy who won the racing one, i think his last name was Davis. Not Jody Davis, the catcher for the Cubs, or Betty Davis, the actress, but it was, I think his last name was Davis.
00:34:13
Torben Rothgeb
Betty Davis. guys I think it was Davis, but he had done, um, Rebel of Germany, maybe Porsche, uh, that was, uh, maybe, ah so i but he had opened up the back and super detailed the, the engine.
00:34:29
Torben Rothgeb
Um, So that was one of those you see right away and it's like, it's a good chance this is going to win. uh, um so But, yeah, really a fun show. got to see where I'm at in the fall.
00:34:41
Torben Rothgeb
The drive was better than I thought it'd be. um You know, it it didn't seem, ah you know, John did a great job of driving. He is a real trooper. And I didn't realize that John had spent time in Michigan. You know, he, he I guess his dad moved around a fair amount, had a pretty good job. but And so he's telling me these great stories of going up and down Woodward Boulevard. don't know.
00:35:06
Torben Rothgeb
avenue in uh detroit and i guess he said his buddy his dad worked for ford and he was the first uh 71 mustang and so he was riding up and down in a 71 mustang that nobody had seen before i don't think it was grabber lime but i didn't ask him what color it was yeah so and uh It's funny going to the swap meet at first, you know, because I had a head start on Chad and John because they were setting up their cars.
00:35:34
Torben Rothgeb
Not you. You. At first, I was way ahead of them with what I had bought. But John got into the fun, and he ended up going out there, and he got – I didn't realize that he had a love of Mustangs, but he had owned like a 65 Shelby Mustang and I think a 69 68 Shelby one of 69 or 70 so he bought a couple of those kits and i think he bought one other kit so well i thought you said something about he had a love for gremlins or something well he was asking me about that gremlin and i i was telling him i would be happy to give you i bought one of those a long time ago i'd be happy to give you give you mine because that is one that probably won't get built you know not a movie tv movie car right
00:36:20
Torben Rothgeb
You know, and here we go, the third callback to Fast Times at Richmont High, but the guy had a gremlin in that, Damone, who sold the tickets.
00:36:31
Torben Rothgeb
He was selling concert tickets. And anyway, at one point... He gets this ah young lady in trouble ah that was dating the main character and is supposed to sell enough concert tickets to get to pay for the abortion.
00:36:46
Torben Rothgeb
But ah he doesn't. You talking about Fast Times? Fast Times. Yeah, I've seen that movie. So Damone does not. It's movie. And then Phoebe Cates is really pissed off at him. Yes. Yes.
00:36:57
Torben Rothgeb
After she comes out of the swimming pool. What are you talking about? I don't know. What you talking about? I think he writes pimp on the side of the gremlin. So he comes out to get in his lovely gremlin and it has, I think, is it pimp or something like that? Yeah. Written on the side of the car.
00:37:17
Torben Rothgeb
And I think somebody even built, speaking of movie cars, I think somebody even built that and then, because he tapes it up. He takes like a plastic or a paper bag and tapes it across. So he shows up at school with the door taped over the, you know.
00:37:30
Torben Rothgeb
So yeah, you could do a a movie car. You do the pacer from Wayne's world. Wayne's world too. Yeah. That's an excellent one. Excellent. yeah you You'd have to have a little licorice dispenser that comes out of the console.
00:37:44
Torben Rothgeb
Sound light with it, you know. ah Yeah. What's next, Arvin? All right. Well. um Upcoming shows?
00:37:56
Torben Rothgeb
Upcoming shows, we have ah the – it's always funny because we leave Milwaukee, and generally the idea is we probably won't go to it next year.
00:38:07
Torben Rothgeb
But then as the year progresses, um then usually Bob is the first one that says, you know, I think I i will go back to this show. Sure, I'll go. And so that is March or May 3rd. Mm-hmm.
00:38:21
Torben Rothgeb
May 3rd. And the theme is 32 Forbes. And they are, the swap meet is on. The swap meet is on. sunday yeah On Sunday. On Sunday. What's the other theme, though? Sub theme is Boats.
00:38:34
Torben Rothgeb
Boats. All right. You might see the Hemi Hydra. That might be enough to get to. The holidays are done with that show. We usually go on Friday. There's a lot of great hobby shops in Milwaukee.
00:38:46
Torben Rothgeb
and all the hobbies through a lot of great hobby shops in milwaukee Really fun to go to them. And then we then we you know go to the show, and then we go to the SWAT meet the next day. It's really a fun weekend. So so far, I know I've got Cameron involved. I've got Torben, possibly.
00:39:01
Torben Rothgeb
So Cameron is going. Interesting. That would be intriguing. Roger in tow. Is he going to have that Model Factory Hero kit done? I don't think I don't think Johns Weber is going.
00:39:12
Torben Rothgeb
You don't think so? To Milwaukee? He said only if he gets to go to the meeting. yeah No, no, no. He really appreciated the one last year. Yeah, I He's not cool. Maybe we could get Chad to go to and can we can recreate the. Okay. All right. What's the next next thing? And then after that.
00:39:30
Torben Rothgeb
No, that was an adventurous trip last last year. ah louisa now But we have the, and and it is, I said Minneapolis, but it's Invergrove Heights. It's at the new place.
00:39:42
Torben Rothgeb
And do we now we have special awards, so Sizzling 60s from Val Halliday. Those are given out by certain members of the fraternity.
00:39:53
Torben Rothgeb
Frank Luque. Frank Luque. He said it was Luque when I asked him. okay Okay. He's not going to be there this year. Okay, so he's not that's too bad. He's got some eye issues that he can't um he can't drive.
00:40:07
Torben Rothgeb
Oh, that sucks. And I saw that his buddy, at Marty Nehring, Yeah, he's not going to be going either because his wife's had some health issues. So keep him in your prayers. um but well that's So he won't have that award. Right.
00:40:22
Torben Rothgeb
But we do have apparently the – Caspers have an award. Yes, apparently they've they've reached out to me and they want to give out an award they did last year. I don't recall that one. I don't recall that either. But I'll catch up with the on them.
00:40:35
Torben Rothgeb
Does it have a ah theme to it or is it just their pick? No. nothing i think it's i think it's their pick okay we should have one guy from canada coming down um we'll probably give out the road best road car award okay basically just steve goose miller award but i mean that's usually who gets it right yeah well like like the mc uh motor city build better yep i know you know so perhaps the show is going to be great jim sold a lot of vendor tables and we should
00:41:06
Torben Rothgeb
We have upwards of 300 models, 300 cars. Finescale will be there. mine scale Tim and Finescale will be there. So it's it's a really well-attended show. New venue, we're looking forward to that. It's a lot bigger and lighting's better and things like that.
00:41:20
Torben Rothgeb
Looking forward to it. Oh, a couple things um on the new releases. Did we talk about new releases? Not yet. Okay. Well, I guess round two, the little video that the guy puts out on YouTube had Herbie and the Batmobile.
New Model Kit Releases
00:41:36
Torben Rothgeb
um I had to wade through all of the diecasts that they're coming out. I guess they're coming out with a six 67 Cadillac in mist a green mist I'd go through all of those to get to the two model kits and see Herbie in the Batmobile pre-painted Batmobile if you don't like painting cars um and then ah at the Michigan show they did have all their other stuff set out stuff we've talked about before the 60 Chevy station wagon and the 65 Plymouth Barracuda
00:42:10
Torben Rothgeb
Um, but then they're coming out with a, either a 65 or 66 Shelby Mustang. Um, so I think that's pretty similar to the, cause they did a craftsman one, right?
00:42:22
Torben Rothgeb
Uh, but this one's a Shelby, I believe. Um, oh, and the 81 Camaro, they're moving further along with that. That might be here. Okay. Um, so, uh, that's coming from round two.
00:42:37
Torben Rothgeb
um Atlantis, I was going to ask you, they were going to do the snake funny car, the Pepsi one, right? The 83, 82 Firebird. Yeah, the yellow Firebird that was the tap you know take the Pepsi. those was The tip Pepsi Challenge. So it would have been 83, I think. Is this the 16th scale? No, this is And that will be supposed to be out in April is what they said.
00:43:02
Torben Rothgeb
Okay, nice. So we're into April now. So, yeah, so I'll let you know when that's out. The best thing about those nowadays are the decals, just to know that they're going have newer decals. yeah And especially with the Mobius one, because I have a couple of the Johan, ah you know, between the Maverick and Bobcats.
00:43:22
Torben Rothgeb
But with, you know, having the issues I have with the Slicks decals, you really now it's more of getting good decals. Sure. And so when do you think the Mobius Maverick will be out?
00:43:35
Torben Rothgeb
I haven't heard much about that lately, and they've been focused on those trucks, you know, the four byour pickup and know the tow truck and that kind of thing. The Mercury, crazy about Mercury.
00:43:47
Torben Rothgeb
so anyway so that's that's all i've heard about that i haven't heard much about the maverick have to give the guy is it a stock maverick or a drag car no it's stock don't mean they'll do a stock version okay so a street machine whatever all right so we yeah hopefully they have the decals what was the racing uh kind of the the sport uh maverick didn't they have a name for that one oh you're talking about the muscle car well k yeah if you call it a muscle car yeah was that hey don't remember It has stripes on it.
00:44:16
Torben Rothgeb
Vega was the Cosworth Vega. It's not even the same. It's not the same platform. You're thinking of a Pinto, not a a Maverick. okay It was a Maverick Grabber. as Grabber, okay. That actually would be something I think they would sell pretty well if they did that.
00:44:32
Torben Rothgeb
No, those, ah myth you know per you know, people my age, those are your first memories. so Granted, they weren't close to the muscle cars. And even the ones that had the muscle car names are more graphic than any kind of power.
00:44:46
Torben Rothgeb
But, you know, I still thought they were pretty cool as kids in the 70s. So that would be cool. um As far as the Salvino's report, the Dark Horse is supposedly very close.
00:44:58
Torben Rothgeb
ah The Dark Horse Mustang that they're doing. ah the update Mustang that they ran last year and this year. They're starting off with a Joey Logano number 22.
00:45:11
Torben Rothgeb
And then they've also announced the throwback paint scheme that looks like the Lotus Jim Clark car. It's a really cool paint scheme. It's green with the yellow stripe.
00:45:23
Torben Rothgeb
um And that one they're going to be doing next year. And then speaking of Jimmy Clark, ah they're doing their multimedia kit. That supposedly is getting closer and closer to being ready.
00:45:38
Torben Rothgeb
You said that was 20th scale, right? Yes, it's 20th scale, but it's such a little car. It's probably good that they did 20th scale on that one. small car, yeah. Lotus 38, yeah. I really wish they would have done the the new Indy kits in 124th, 125th.
00:45:55
Torben Rothgeb
But Meng is doing a 124th F1 car, and they're doing, it's a 1988. Bob, can you tell us more about that one? It's a McLaren MP44. Erickson, Alan Prost, still with that car in that year. Mike Classic built it, and I talked to him about it. He said it was beautiful to build.
00:46:16
Torben Rothgeb
Nice. Really nice. really Nice kit. But it was interesting that's in 24 scale. So it fits for Michael perfectly. Uh-huh. Because that's what he likes. That's what he likes. Okay. So it was perfect. said it went together great.
00:46:29
Torben Rothgeb
Now, did the 80s Indy kits, did they have that same? Was Monogram 124th and AMT were 125th? Yes. Were those? Yeah. Okay. Okay. Interesting.
00:46:40
Torben Rothgeb
Interesting. Okay. All right. And so um we also mentioned the new um model cars release. um The thing that I...
00:46:52
Torben Rothgeb
Let's see. yeah They had good coverage of the, what is it, Acme show? So that has some real good pictures. No pictures of John's rubber. The usual suspects were there, though, with Jay Savarese, Clay Kemp, and Mark Batson.
00:47:08
Torben Rothgeb
I didn't realize he did a 132nd. John said that was really nice. That is cool. That's one of the nice things with 3D parts um that you can. And speaking of the, you were talking about the drag car, Tim Kala, how did we say that name?
00:47:24
Torben Rothgeb
kalankiewicz kalankiewicz that's it he did one and this one does have a driver of the wheel stand he's a good builder he really is the one that caught my eye was a roger sits his demon billy the kid where do you think he would have gotten the decals for that is your favorite buddy chuck no that's your favorite decals in georgia Which slicks?
00:47:48
Torben Rothgeb
Slicks. Okay. Well, you know, he should get an award just for getting some slicks to stay on there. Hopefully, hopefully they're newer ones, not the ones that I've been. No, they are newer.
00:47:59
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. Yeah. That helps. Cool. Yeah. So they had some good coverage of that show and the Bucky truck that was done by Joe Domanski. Yeah.
00:48:12
Torben Rothgeb
I guess I've heard um on the Salvino show that ah the the one guy printed off the different little Buc-ee's, I think, for him.
00:48:23
Torben Rothgeb
Oh, okay. so Whatever that is. That was a unique, ah you know, probably, I guess that's a ah truck that they have at the Buc-ee's thing. Have you ever been to a Buc-ee's? I've never been to a Buc-ee's. I know, ah what's his name in a MSM?
00:48:39
Torben Rothgeb
It had a t-shirt. Oh, Dan Reed, he loves Buc-ee's. Harold Gattaport. It's like an SA. It's a humongous on steroids type store.
00:48:50
Torben Rothgeb
And they're supposed to getting one in Wisconsin. Oh, okay. Can't wait. Yes. I'll be there. Let's go get in line now. you know You know, this reminds me, though, as you you know, i feel like and some people mentioned, um you know, because I know Johns Weber went to the Acme show.
00:49:07
Torben Rothgeb
And he was saying he wasn't feeling bad about not getting anything pictured. John's a very humble guy. But he did mention he felt bad for a, was it, is it Vince? The last guy. Had a real fantastic car um that didn't get an award. You know. Had several, actually, that were there that didn't didn't get photographed, didn't get.
00:49:27
Torben Rothgeb
awards it's yes it's the way it is and it's the way it goes yeah you can't you can't there's no guarantees in life you know absolutely absolutely and and you know but this bucky's card won um and i'm thinking you know because it's just the curb appeal and the idea and anytime you deal with art that's uh part of it i just wish i would have thought of it yeah Now, as somebody that judges, um what would you say if you had to put a percentage into your rubric, um what would you say like... These three? Yes, absolutely. I think I need one.
00:50:07
Torben Rothgeb
I have to get ready for this. When you approach a car and you're judging it, you know... for tom How much of it is ah maybe the creativity or the idea of it or maybe even the curb appeal?
00:50:23
Torben Rothgeb
And then how much of it is the execution and building skills that go into it? It all falls back to me on building skills. You're much more of a building skill. Well, no I think the imagination is a great thing. But at the end of the day...
00:50:39
Torben Rothgeb
if that's the paint job isn't up to snuff, it's going to hurt your chances. That's the way I look at it. Especially with, you're talking about Acme, that thing is like, I mean, the the number of models, the quality of models, everybody, anybody's there.
00:50:55
Torben Rothgeb
you know, and this is another one, that's a top 10 that, that they have. So it's voted on by the, by the participants, which is, which is great. But you like I've talked to Johns Weber about it and he feels, and I agree with him that they almost need like a second tier at that show for the, you know, the first tier is the clay camp, Jay Savarese, you know, that type of builder. And then, you know, take a step down to the next level. Cause it's just, you know,
00:51:24
Torben Rothgeb
those The people that don't come to that show over here, like, for example, Vince Lobosco, whose models are just as good. Yep. um They get ignored because they don't have that wow factor of Bucky's or, you know, whatever that might be. They're kid just completely blown apart. Oh, yeah. Well, like that Williams up there. Like this. And that's a big model, too. That's 12th scale.
00:51:47
Torben Rothgeb
I mean, going yeah and you have to look at, you know, these guys build four contests. I mean, Mark Batson is going to, you know, for the whole enchilada with that because he did a lot of stuff on his YouTube channel.
00:51:58
Torben Rothgeb
And you knew he was going to have it done. But by the same token, i mean, if you look at this modified, it's got really good bones. So, I mean, if you can take the time to detail something like that out and showing it show it blown apart like that, like Clay Kemp.
00:52:14
Torben Rothgeb
I've looked at this model. This is one that he did like a super detailed job. It's, Beyond belief. Phenomenal. And we've all actually built the IndyCar. Right. know that it's not an easy kit.
00:52:26
Torben Rothgeb
And then the same with this one, the modified one. You're starting off with a hard kit to build. It's a 3D printed nightmare is what it is. And that would be you know kind of the interesting thing to if you had the master builder slash hall of fame, whatever you want to call it, and then put them into a different category.
00:52:50
Torben Rothgeb
um You know, but it's just so complicated on how you would do that. And, you know, the hard thing, too, it was like that you you were trying to modify it for one of those shows where the guy had all these weathered cars.
00:53:04
Torben Rothgeb
And then we're saying, well, so we should have a class for weathered. But the hard thing is those things are so fluid that the next year you might not have any weather. You might have one weathered, and then you have to you have to give the award to something that that's probably not deserving. That actually happened.
00:53:19
Torben Rothgeb
And that happened last year. Right. Because you know before, there was a lot of weathered cars there. And then we decided to create a, after enduring numerous abuse from people, we decided. We caved.
00:53:32
Torben Rothgeb
We caved, and we made it a You know, a class and then it was a survivor class or whatever. And and nothing showed up. Yeah. Yeah. So I think also when you talk about creativity and you talk about what exactly you build, like the Buc-ee's thing is very creative.
00:53:48
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. um A diorama can be really creative. But if you build, I like to build replicas. And so for me, it's not it's not necessarily creative. So it's all about workmanship, you know, and if it's, if it looks nice, great. If I don't go, then it doesn't, you know, but it's is a hard road to hoe. really I feel your pain.
00:54:06
Torben Rothgeb
Cause I build a lot of that too. And I feel like it kind of blends into the table. Oh, there's another Joey Logano car. Okay. Yeah. There's, you know, and Dan Gurney. her Okay. So those are due and dear to my heart.
00:54:18
Torben Rothgeb
Right. I can appreciate that. There was a Volkswagen bus that's in that pictures, but oh yeah really John john got so got a lot of attention. and Scott Inman. I don't care for it.
00:54:30
Torben Rothgeb
No, I don't quite understand it. you know I think it's over-weathered. See, I like it. but See, like this this too, I don't quite understand. yeah But, you know, and again, you go into art, you know, right being beauty of the eye of the beholder. yeah right
Custom Model Cars and Tools
00:54:44
Torben Rothgeb
Absolutely. I actually like that, and I'm sure that's not your cup of tea. Oh, and here is the Corvette.
00:54:50
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, that does nothing for me. This Cass McCord. You know, I'm noticing, and I don't know if it is something to do with the more 3D parts that makes it easier, but it seems like recently, you know, certainly as I look at the cover of model cars and this other, the auto modeler.
00:55:09
Torben Rothgeb
Customs seem to be really coming back. And essentially these pro, what do they to call those? Pro mods? Pro touring. Pro touring is another form of custom.
00:55:20
Torben Rothgeb
But, ah you know, because I remember at some point I felt like the custom class was gotten had gotten really small as some of our shows. But then now I look at what's on the cover of a lot of these magazines and a lot of these that customs seem to be coming back. I think it depends on where the magazine is being published. Good point. No, I really do because, you know, this is – Auto Modeler is published in the West Coast.
00:55:49
Torben Rothgeb
Okay. And that's that's notoriously popular. Low riders, um customs, you know, that kind of thing. um Whereas in the Midwest, it's probably more street machines or replica stock or muscle cars.
00:56:07
Torben Rothgeb
yeah You look at what's out, you know, as far as car shows that we go to. back to the 50s or you know whatever it is. It's kind of what you're brought brought up with. You know what mean?
00:56:20
Torben Rothgeb
So, yeah, I'm in agreement with you on that. It's, it's I don't know. The 3D printing thing can be taken a lot of different ways. Right. hu Does it make it easier?
00:56:34
Torben Rothgeb
It has to. Yeah. I mean, there's recently a car Jim and I were talking about that just came out. One of our favorite Formula One cars was the 1961 Ferrari Sharknose, which is Bill Cunningham has it for sale.
00:56:48
Torben Rothgeb
And it looks fabulous. You know, I don't know how many parts are in it or whatever, but it's kind of all done for you. I mean, obviously you have to paint it and finish it and do a nice job on it. but You have to print it out, too. And you have to print it out.
00:56:59
Torben Rothgeb
So, I mean, it's it's it's a stunning car that's never been done, really, except in forty- third You know, and so it's time will tell you how things evolve, things become popular, out of favor.
00:57:13
Torben Rothgeb
And a lot of things depends also what car kits come out. Exactly. What's so what's a real popular car kit that came out in our club? How many Broncos did we have built of the newer Broncos? We had five or six, which is pretty amazing.
00:57:25
Torben Rothgeb
You know, and we're all well done, too. Really nicely done. Absolutely. But also look at the model. It's curbside. It's curbside. It saves you a lot of time. It's probably well engineered, though. It's very well engineered. goes right together.
00:57:37
Torben Rothgeb
yeah So, yeah, there's there's a lot of different ways to skin the cast. So, you know whatever you know, whatever it takes to get it done, you know. Well, and as I think with the Craftsman kits, too.
00:57:50
Torben Rothgeb
Those are really popular. Those are are really, they're almost like snap tights for adults because they they go together so quick and easy. And that's my kind of worry with Salvino's because, you know, we've done the Indy kits and, you know, the next young cars are the same way that you're you're putting in 75 hours and you're test fitting, you know, everything. And it's just like.
00:58:15
Torben Rothgeb
The harder it is to put car together, then the slower you go, the more time it takes. And if you're selling these cars, then you're selling viewers. drain some the enjoyment for us sometimes. No.
00:58:30
Torben Rothgeb
Don't ask me. and it is And it is a hobby, and it's supposed to be enjoyable. It's supposed be fun. It's supposed to be fun. But fun doesn't necessarily mean simplicity either it fun is fun is you can feel good about making something that was difficult really nice yeah you know i always feel the best about that when i finish something like that you know so so i may not like a lot of the cars that win these fancy awards but you know i'm certainly give a lot of props to the people who can do them you guys respect you respect the models right i do you gotta respect uh
00:59:05
Torben Rothgeb
Yep. I'd be interested to see with Tim Casper um how much of that was at his own customizing because it it is phenomenal work. It says 53 through 60 Corvettes.
00:59:18
Torben Rothgeb
um So was this stuff he put together or is it a 3D printed thing? If he comes to the show, you can ask him. I will ask him when he wins the top ten. and i just saw Kudos to him.
00:59:31
Torben Rothgeb
you know yeah I think last year, like all ah his wife and his his son, they all won. yeah His dad. It's actually his father, I think. That's his father. They won.
00:59:47
Torben Rothgeb
At the Detroit show, it was just Tim. guess he couldn't talk the other family members into coming. um Or if they were there, I don't know if they entered stuff. um I know they have those really. you can't miss their shirts. They're like those red and red, white, and blue. No comment. Yeah, I know. you know so We should get some ah RPM bowling shirts.
01:00:08
Torben Rothgeb
I'm still waiting for the... Tiny Car Podcast swag. You know, I need some swag. i You know, I felt bad. I should have been promoting, ah you know, I should have been out there with the tiny car.
01:00:19
Torben Rothgeb
Clint does that kind of stuff, right? He does printing or does he still work with the... Yeah, he does printing, I think, still. I should talk to him. Definitely. It's interesting looking at model cars because you look at like the Hawaii show.
01:00:31
Torben Rothgeb
um There's... It's... It is more street rods. a bit more customs. is that ah Not all. It's a good mix of stuff. But it's intriguing to see what was built in Hawaii as opposed to when years ago when they have the annual, they'll do shows from, they'll get pictures from Finland. They'll get pictures from Sweden.
01:00:52
Torben Rothgeb
Lots of muscle cars. Lots of American big muscle cars and stuff. So it's fascinating what they don't have there. You know, so... Yeah, yeah. I wonder if Tom, I've never seen Tom build a, yeah it seems like this is something Tom would do. Well, that's, yeah, that one's set so that, yeah, go ahead and hang. I don't think he's put a rider on one ever, no.
01:01:11
Torben Rothgeb
No. It's tickles, let you know. It's true. Yeah. Well, you know, he he's, so he built that Mustang really well, too. He's a good builder. Yeah. Yeah.
01:01:23
Torben Rothgeb
All right, so I'm filming through this magazine, and that's not very good podcast. No, it's not. Listen to me. Look at a magazine. but So that's Auto Modeler and Model Cars. Fine scale. and You had the new fine scale modeler. what to I do. What were the highlights, lowlights of that one?
01:01:41
Torben Rothgeb
There is Tim Boyd. Wow. Tim Boyd did a really nice buildup of a 63 Ford pickup from an original body, an annual.
01:01:53
Torben Rothgeb
And he mixed parts from the newer Mobius kits and the F100 AMT kit. So it's a big, big mix of stuff. it looks really nice. So, and he did it for our car guys.
01:02:04
Torben Rothgeb
He also did in the back, he did Revell Olds Cutlass Pro Stock. what so What does it take to be considered to be a classic kit? And it's the Olds Super Clean, Super Clean Olds.
01:02:17
Torben Rothgeb
It's probably sad how many years ago that was. Right, yeah. yeah so It was the 80s or 90s. So he's got ah he's got two articles in here. And there's you you know for the guys that bitch and yell about fine scale, they have to appease a lot of people.
01:02:34
Torben Rothgeb
They've got to appease car modelers and airplane modelers and armor modelers. And by the way, a guy from our area, Steve Guthmiller, an excellent factory stock builder, won one of the BAMM awards. Well, that is not a surprise.
01:02:49
Torben Rothgeb
No, his stuff is always top notch. Phenomenal. Right. So cool stuff. Okay. Good deal. Well, ah you know, now it's time for our draft. Oh, the draft draft. Yes. The draft of model tools.
01:03:03
Torben Rothgeb
Tools or tool? Well, I'll go with one that is a necessary tool, but is also an upgrade this year. I finally ah you know dug into my wallet, and I broke out the $40 for the Tamiya sprue cutters. Was that the Zuki Mora ones? The Zuki Mora. The Zuki Mora ones, yeah.
01:03:26
Torben Rothgeb
And, you know, i think the difference, because i was cutting because I still have my old ones, and I use those to cut junky stuff because I'm paranoid about hurting my my new ones. um But I think when I look at the difference is the cheap ones pull it.
01:03:40
Torben Rothgeb
And when you pull it, you can break stuff. um Whereas the Zucimoras, they can have a nice cut, and they just they're sharp enough that it cuts right through without pulling anything off.
01:03:52
Torben Rothgeb
So that's what I'll go with, number one. Okay. Jim, you're drafting model tools. Well, I mean, you know you're you're you're talking about what's what's the signature tool for all modelers to use.
01:04:06
Torben Rothgeb
You're going to go with the Zactone knife? Well, of course. Yep, okay. and Number 11 blades. Yeah, well, what I what i would say is do an upgrade and go out and buy the stainless steel blades. Okay.
01:04:19
Torben Rothgeb
They last a lot longer. They stay sharp longer. Mm-hmm. um yeah Where would you get the stainless steel blades? You can get them through i think you can get up to Amazon. I didn't have any problem finding them. They were a little more expensive, but they last lot longer. What company makes those again? Exacto.
01:04:37
Torben Rothgeb
Mr. Static actually taught me or showed me that oh years ago. The only other one I would throw into the mix that to me is a game changer is the panel scriber.
01:04:48
Torben Rothgeb
To me, a panel scriber is great tool. ah great tool Is it just one size? ah No, they have different sizes. um I go with the smallest one to get the you know finest cut or whatever, but just and not that expensive.
01:05:03
Torben Rothgeb
If you break a blade, you can get another one in a couple of days. Okay. um It's, yeah, it just really helps a lot with but the door lines and that, because most of the kits don't have good...
01:05:15
Torben Rothgeb
Well, scribe. You've got to car go too much. Mobius is probably the worst. So now you scribe yours, and then do you also paint it black? I don't paint it black. I just – I put it in – scribe it as certain a certain number of times, basically, and clean it out.
01:05:33
Torben Rothgeb
And I'll shoot primer in it, but not black. Okay. It depends on the car. It depends on the paint job, that kind of thing. But it just – it's it's just a no-brainer because everybody used to use the back of an X-Acto blade. Yep.
01:05:46
Torben Rothgeb
But that's notorious for, you know, an accident. Not to mention getting into your hand or something like that. So this this just works so well. Panel scribe. Yeah. I see a red door and I want to paint it black.
01:05:59
Torben Rothgeb
Sorry, but I mean, okay that that lays laid right there. I'll do the same thing, Jim, but only I will airbrush some black inside of the pen. So then when I paint it, I don't have to use the,
01:06:11
Torben Rothgeb
I think one of the things i would draft right away is the Tamiya panel accent liner. That stuff is as a game changer for me. Once I put a lacquer clear coat on a car, I can run that stuff or plane.
01:06:21
Torben Rothgeb
I can run it in all the... The right places. is The right yeah know learned places. and Trying to help when you out without the beer. Right. And it just wipes off with turpentine, you know. yeah And it's fantastic. I think it's a really great tool.
01:06:38
Torben Rothgeb
And also, I think... but echoing what you said, I got one of those same screw cutters. I haven't seen theirs. I have the Tamiya one. The Tamiya one's very nice. I got it at Andy's Hobby headquarters. The Zuki Morrow one well And the panel line one is enamel. If you want an acrylic, what was the black? What was was they used to call The detailer. Detailer. That's okay. It's stringy. I don't like it. Yeah, no, I agree. with it it's
01:07:09
Torben Rothgeb
It's not as good. Other things that I like to do, too, is I take the future floor wax or the pledge or whatever it was. It's not made anymore, so it doesn't matter what your name is. Well, I still got ah ah we all have two bottles. And I have a source that has six bottles. I won't tell you who it is. You could probably guess. Anybody I know seen the same room?
01:07:32
Torben Rothgeb
You could probably guess it. why yeah Almost every RPM meeting, he goes into a new product seminar. I i was talking to him about it. He said he has six bottles.
01:07:45
Torben Rothgeb
But anyway. i was just yeah know i have four yeah very well you I won't catch them, but I won't run out. No, you're right. But anyway, I like to put pastel chalk into it, usually black, and then put... I've never tried that. That's a good idea. It works, well, the same way as the panel liner. And the panel lines?
01:08:04
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. But what I like to do is, like, around the bare metal foil, because it gives you a little black that gives you a uniform... That's really good idea. said chalk? little pastel chalk. Do you get that at school? yeah Yes, I do. Rub it from the children? Yes, absolutely. While they're not looking or what? It's just at Michael's. Or you can take the Vallejo stuff and pour little bit in there. You just rub it on some sandpaper and then brush it in there. Rub it in, yeah. Rub it from Peter's. No one will know. Damn, kid. colors are supposed to have mr rothgall he's laughing because he knows it's true but there's no actually he's colorblind i think they finally got rid of chalk but we had for years just piles of chalk from the black of course yeah and they've replaced all those and just chalk in general um and that's what they had to color chalks for the blackness but nobody will not I will not talk in class.
01:09:06
Torben Rothgeb
All right. So I am up again. I'll go with the airbrush. That was, you know, I spray bombed for about my first five or six years in adult model car building. And, um you know, it's any transition is always tough.
01:09:20
Torben Rothgeb
But and it's frustrating. Last night was frustrating. You know, I'm trying to do this 2K clear. And I'm using, I kind of switched around, but I was using my airbrush that I had been using.
01:09:32
Torben Rothgeb
It's like petering out. Which one is that, your Pache? No, I switched to the Pache. And I think what helped me, because I usually, this is the one I use for my acrylics, and the Pache ah shot it on much better.
01:09:47
Torben Rothgeb
so Okay. um But airbrushes, like i said, it can be frustrating. Sometimes it's unpredictable. This is for the NASTRAC? Well, I did all of them. That's probably why I was hallucinating towards the end with all this 2K clear. and ah Well, I did my starter Fireball Roberts car.
01:10:05
Torben Rothgeb
I did the Corvette Grand Sport. I did ah my whole... um Bruce Larson team. So I did the Vega. Good Lord. When did you get dizzy?
01:10:18
Torben Rothgeb
Probably about to start, man. It is funny that 2K, as soon as you put the other brown stuff in there, like the clear stuff, because you have a three to one ratio. So I have my little pipette and I have a little line on my pipette. And so I do three of those up to that line. And then I have a separate one for the brown, ah the little brown bottle.
01:10:37
Torben Rothgeb
As soon as I put that brown bottle, I don't know what that brown bottle does. Smells good, huh? It just... Keep the mask on right there, baby. No, I have the mask on. And I have an N95 mask to it. And even through all that...
01:10:53
Torben Rothgeb
Oh, my God, what was that? Fortunately, they can't see that. It was precious, just precious. But, you know, like I said, the airbrush can be frustrating and unpredictable, but, man, it is, you know.
01:11:08
Torben Rothgeb
It's a game changer. What i usually say compared to somebody who spray bombs, it puts it in slow motion. It's like it's in slow motion. You're saying, I'm not getting much paint here. Let's go back here. and it I've never had anything run on an airbrush.
01:11:23
Torben Rothgeb
And so, you're a better man than me. The only other time I haven't had it run, but like if, if my tip and around the area around my tip builds up some stuff, if I'm leaning it over, it might drip. I have had that happen. I try to hit that with a Q-tip if I've been painting a long time. Or some chalk from school. Yes. Yeah. plant and
01:11:49
Torben Rothgeb
For the bumblebee. Yes. The bumblebee cabara. So you did airbrush. James, what would you pick? Well, I mean, you know, you got to go back to the basics or whatever. It's all that stuff that you used over the years. You know, the the razor saw, the well, the painting thing.
01:12:07
Torben Rothgeb
yeah You know, the airbrush, obviously. there's the The thing that amazes me now in the last year or two is the different airbrushes that are out now. you know, the cordless type. Have you seen any of those yet? oh well i mean Have you tried it yet?
01:12:22
Torben Rothgeb
I like it it it. Now, I think it's your basic bottom dollar um Harbor Freight one on top, but it does ah it does the job.
01:12:34
Torben Rothgeb
We're going to show you that right now. Well, they're not going to see it, but they're everywhere. Yep. Yeah. but they're but they're everywhere ye yeah
01:12:47
Torben Rothgeb
why cheesee i didn't think you car for play So yes, and I've, you know, the combination of this, and I only shoot the Tamiya lacquers through here.
01:13:01
Torben Rothgeb
yeah And I do the AK ones. Where did you get this masterpiece? I ordered it off of the catalog. You know, they're always asking me what I want for Christmas. I can never come up with stuff.
01:13:13
Torben Rothgeb
This is the Sears catalog? No, it's the yeah micro scale. oh yeah okay. And so then I just post. Micro mark? Micro mark, yes. Micro mark.
01:13:23
Torben Rothgeb
missing um so yeah That's Don Stauffer go-to catalog. You get a little perfume on there. Yeah, right, yeah. That smells so good.
01:13:34
Torben Rothgeb
So you've had this for a while? I've had it for probably about three or four years. So often in there is a canister's in there, right? You know what I like about that, too, is um whenever I go up north to a cabin or something. This is what you bring?
01:13:47
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, because for a long time, I had a lot of kits that were just like I prepped for painting. I cut them off the trees and sand. um But then I brought this up with the Tamiya lacquers, and I was able to get a good head start on painting stuff as well.
01:14:03
Torben Rothgeb
So does that come apart so that ah you can put a new one in it? Well, yeah, if you're painting for a while, you know, and this eventually, the battery lasts longer than I thought it would be. I have this good old backup one for ah for Mark Raleigh, bless his soul. Bless his soul. Don Static was ah good enough to put it on. so that's one whole separate unit. Oh, okay, I did. I did, okay.
01:14:25
Torben Rothgeb
It screws up there. right so All right. So, yeah. Oh, jeez. I guess you're getting any one of those. So my my I'm in the draft thing now, if you'd pick that. I was going go with sanding sticks, which I really, really like, especially the ones that have a cushion in the middle.
01:14:43
Torben Rothgeb
You like the cushion, don't There you go. Thank you. Here we go. The extra soft tissue sensors. There he is. Yeah. All right.
01:14:55
Torben Rothgeb
Let's not make this blue. Yeah, I don't want to have to put an explicit thing. Get ready. So I just like them because they're flexible, obviously, and you can do a really nice job on small.
01:15:07
Torben Rothgeb
You get the real thin ones to the wide ones. It's fabulous. Yeah, I mean, to throw in the the polishing, the sandpaper. Absolutely, yeah. the polish You know, the 2000. Oh, yeah, right. yeah yeah right Polishing kits. Polishing kits. So they're game changer. Speaking of that, and when I had Johns Weber on, um he put me on to these 3M sanding pads that are really great for, five I think it's 5,000 and 7,000 maybe. the 3M sanding pads.
01:15:33
Torben Rothgeb
work really good.
01:15:36
Torben Rothgeb
for the three um sanding pads and those work really good And at first he said he goes around, which is against everything I ever heard from a polishing kit where you do straight and then you do the other side. You're going to have round lines on the thing.
01:15:50
Torben Rothgeb
But I was able to do it. And at least with the 2K, it looked fine. covers everything. It covers everything. All right. Cool. so All right. So I am up. How many rounds are we doing? It's like six. Six.
01:16:03
Torben Rothgeb
No, that's the drivers. Yeah, it's not a super six. This is our draft. This is our draft special. This could go for a couple hours. No, this is sound like It could go like the Cory Booker. What was the filibuster? 25 hours of draft. No, that's not. Anyway. i All right. you um But anyway, I got thinking about it as an adult builder. I got back into it, and then I was – had the silver tested bottle paint and i was painting the trim and then one day i was smart enough to buy the bare metal foil because bare metal foil even a bad job of bare metal foiling looks better than a sensational job of the top man yeah yeah absolutely so uh that's what i would go with the bare metal foil cool yeah yeah there's another bare metal foil that's made by another company now tamia makes them now
01:16:58
Torben Rothgeb
No, this wasn't Tamiya. This was – what's another Japanese company like that? Oh, Gunzi or Mr. Hobby did Hasegawa. Hasegawa, that's the Hasegawa does it, yeah.
01:17:11
Torben Rothgeb
I heard that's like really great. Okay. but But they sell it on Amazon, so you won't be getting won't be getting I mean, oh yeah, I heard it's really somebody posted the other night on Facebook that he said it was better than bear model.
01:17:24
Torben Rothgeb
He'd never go back because bear metals took the sheet I've got. It's got so many cracks in it now. That's irritating. That's irritating. You just need to move on and get another sheet.
01:17:34
Torben Rothgeb
And I just order them directly from bear model because I just you can't rely on them at the hobby store. That's true, because you never know. know then They never have the right one that you want. Or how long have they been on the shelf? Right, exactly. and You get the fresh stuff. That's the stuff you want.
01:17:48
Torben Rothgeb
Right, right. I know Dean keeps this in the fridge, so, I mean, there's ways around that. I've heard that. Keep it in the fridge. What? You keep in the fridge? Yeah, I've heard that. You haven't heard that before? Yeah, I don't know what ah it does.
01:18:00
Torben Rothgeb
Well, no, he said it lasts longer. Well, I mean. Okay, okay, that's fine. i don't say it would ruin the adhesive, you know. Yeah, well, with four kids in the house, somebody would spill something on it. before Yeah, right. exactly right yeah Orange Fanta. next draft I don't know. I mean, we talk about paint. Yeah. so what's your next draft pick ah
01:18:23
Torben Rothgeb
i don't i and we talk about paint you know come out You're on a desert island. so i I've talked about
Modeling Materials and Techniques
01:18:33
Torben Rothgeb
this before, and not not on a podcast, but I think that the advent of, to me, a lacquer, synthetic lacquer, has changed the game modeling.
01:18:42
Torben Rothgeb
yeah a Period. in the end I mean, it's not even close. You think about before that was invented. Yep. The kind of crap that you had to put up with. yeah It was all a crap shoot. If you were going to actually get it to turn out, it was like, Oh look, there's no dust this time, you know? So right. Testers was the only game in town. Unless he wanted to use lacquer paint, you know, automotive lacquer. Right. you could use it So, I mean, you could throw in all the automotive lacquer over the years, model car world, or, um, uh, what's the one, the old NASCAR one, true match, true match yeah um all that stuff. Um,
01:19:18
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, no, that Tamiya is yeah phenomenal. It's great paint. They know what they're doing, and they have a whole line of tools, too. and you know One little tool, two of them I have that I really would go for is, don't know where I got this. I got this from my friend Dan Reed.
01:19:35
Torben Rothgeb
so it's basically this handle with a really sharp pin coming out of it, really solid. And I use that every time I need to drill a hole somewhere. I mean like a pin vise?
01:19:47
Torben Rothgeb
look Well, there's no, it's you can't turn it. yeah All it does is it's solid enough thing you can really, we can lay on it. You can take something out on it then? No, I mean. So like before you start with your pin vise, you go with this first. go with this first. I've always, I frequently had like, you know, I just, I put one of those in and I'm like, I'm right there.
01:20:09
Torben Rothgeb
You know, so if I'm doing, You know, or anything. I mean, i use it for it. You could pen to do that. You can, but this one's really nice. It's a great tool. did not find this in art shop. Yeah, this is exactly the tool, kind of like this. And it really helps me, you know.
01:20:24
Torben Rothgeb
And the other thing is all the Optivisors. I mean, i love having this and this big Optivisor. It's attractive, too. It's lovely weve looking. And the other tool, and this is my last draft pick, is... um and There's a suction cup thing to put windows in. all Those are great. Which is fabulous. are great yeah you know They don't work for some windows. What about this new glass?
01:20:47
Torben Rothgeb
This glue for windows. What's the story on that? Has anybody actually had that work now? The stuff that was at the meeting? Was like old chris ver sparecast that I saw it at the hobby shop but i mean shop. One more thing he's not going to use. I still haven't opened the bottle. He's six years old.
01:21:08
Torben Rothgeb
I'm afraid if I open the bottle, it'll dry out. you know Roger's genie will appear. All
01:21:19
Torben Rothgeb
all right. Is it gold? It's something gold. gold Bob Smith's Super Gold Plus? that No, no, no. It was it was ah it it was a um Gorilla Clear Glue. It's a Gorilla Clear Glue.
01:21:32
Torben Rothgeb
but Yeah. So, I mean, I talked to Chris Vick the other night, and he gave me another rundown on this. Chris listens to our show. Keep listening, Chris. He doesn't mean that. Yes, I do.
01:21:46
Torben Rothgeb
They're drinking, by the way. we are not. I'm going to lose my broadcast. You are going to lose your broadcast rights. We can only hope.
01:21:58
Torben Rothgeb
What a gift from God. A gift from something. Too much much So those little... yeah so those little those Section cup things are great. Oh, yeah, they are really great. They're really nice for putting in windows because how many times have you been fumbling and gluing this whole thing? Did you use that on the ah Mobius truck?
01:22:16
Torben Rothgeb
Okay. Let's go back in time. I built it just like this truck. No, you didn't. I didn't say it. Oh, no, because you were adamant that you built it the right way. it just like I said.
01:22:29
Torben Rothgeb
That's the way it was supposed to be. And it's like, no, you build it from the outside. All right. let's Let's move on to the... the are are we done Are we done with the draft?
01:22:41
Torben Rothgeb
You guys don't have one more round in I do. I want to draft anything cartographed, power slide decals. oh yeah because I tell you what, there's nothing worse than getting to the end of a project, putting a decal in the water and having it burst into 100 pieces or fog up on you. yep so It is really good to start a project off knowing that you have good decals. and my Power slide has been anything basically cartographed.
01:23:11
Torben Rothgeb
But there are people who have problems with power slide, though. I don't quite understand. Well, they don't either. but no and It'll be fine. It's not a contest winner. You know all the cliches. I know. The cliches are there.
01:23:25
Torben Rothgeb
I mean, building the IndyCar, those decals... It's 10-footer. That is. But I mean, 15 maybe. i mean fifteen just stand outside and look through the window. Look at that. You'll be really impressed.
01:23:39
Torben Rothgeb
But the decals went on really well. i mean, the power side decals are great. This is on the IndyCar. Yeah. right yeah Yeah. I agree. long As long don't have to go over a crevice or a tight curve or whatever. Or a tire. Yeah.
01:23:55
Torben Rothgeb
Speak for yourself. You had problems with those, too. I did, too. You had somebody make resin tires for you, and it still didn't work. No, I didn't use those. Oh, well.
01:24:10
Torben Rothgeb
What is that you're getting at? You know, can I get an extra pick in there? Because that reminds me of the Vallejo acrylic paint is really great. Oh, that is really great. If you have like a couple holes in your decals or something, and normally it would look like crap anytime I tried to fix that with...
01:24:27
Torben Rothgeb
a sharpie marker we noticed or yes thank you for noticing or any kind of enamel paint or anything but the vallejo has such an array of colors you can really between uh that and then clearing it with the 2k uh what i like about it is that you know you can have a bottle and it's like so almost solid because it's been sitting for so long and you throw some water in there and mix it up and it's good as it's as good as you can correct alcohol rubbing hale alcohol or whatever it's great stuff it is really great it's very forgiving when i do window surrounds it's much easier to do that with the vallejo than the tamaya paint the tamaya acrylics because acrylics take a lot of scrubbing to get off oh god well it's amazing how strong those things are once you the vallejo i just take a toothpick and water and i just scrapes right off it's great too and it's even changed the way i've modeled some stuff like
01:25:21
Torben Rothgeb
I'm doing this Hemi engine for this Charger 500 I'm building. And, you know, the... the headers always kind of break off. And so, but I glued them on really good and I'm going to paint the whole thing, hemi orange, but then I feel good about brushing on, uh, you know, the aluminum or the steel, whatever I'm going to paint the headers.
01:25:43
Torben Rothgeb
Um, so I can paint it all at one and almost like your armor guys do with paint with tanks, you know, cause it is good to have an option of brush painting that looks good. you're doing the way, James, you got another pick in a Not off the top of my head.
01:26:00
Torben Rothgeb
Oh, no, I can't think of off the top of my head. I mean, we could get into that. so you're on your desert island, and you have Tamiya paint and an X-Acto knife. luck. You're ready to go. He's got his panels grab her, too.
01:26:11
Torben Rothgeb
No, know I mean, you know, it's – I mean, you could get into details like better you know but brushes or for glue. applicant applicators more glue yeah Those are always good. i mean, you get into the, you know, want to talk about super glue. I love that Loctite stuff. Oh, that's the gel. That's the top notch. That's a game changer for me. Yep, that's fantastic. Because it gives you a little more time to actually get it in place.
01:26:39
Torben Rothgeb
And it doesn't dry out. No, it did it's very forgiving. Very forgiving. The last one I would do, I was going to – I already forgot it. Anyway. All right, keep going. Are you going to to the XG100 Clear? Or you know what? I can't believe you guys have not mentioned. What?
01:26:55
Torben Rothgeb
I know what it is. God's Tears. Yes, that's true. I have not mentioned the Mr. Hobby Self-Leveling Thinner. I put that in everything. it's fabulous.
01:27:05
Torben Rothgeb
I don't know what it is. i I wish my dad was still around. He was into chemistry and I was a chemist. He's got chemicals? Well, he did like to drink some. But no, he could. i would What kind of paint mixes with enamels, acrylics, and lacquers? It does.
01:27:25
Torben Rothgeb
What is it that allows that to to happen? It's fantastic. Mm-hmm. I also think the green stuff, chrome paint, is really nice for doing it's all right little things. I think it works pretty well.
01:27:36
Torben Rothgeb
yeah care I think the Revell stuff is better. In general, because there was nothing nothing worse back in the day. but I think of the one that stands out, and I remember building the 63...
01:27:48
Torben Rothgeb
galaxy. And right away, it's attached. The chrome bumper is attached to things. So I have this great big knob hanging off in a very visible area, big seam line. And what the hell am I going to do?
01:28:00
Torben Rothgeb
I don't want to get so involved in this project because, of course, Andy would always say, well, to send it off to Chrome Tech to be re-chromed. I don't want to get that deep in the woods with this project.
01:28:11
Torben Rothgeb
But the seam line right on the front bumper looks like shit, right? It does. Yep, they do. And so – No. and so Are you sure? I will. Thank you for the you know the the different chrome paints they have now. Now, of course, you're trying to put this on because you can't touch any of it. So you're like trying to put it on because you don't want to touch it and lose the chrome finish.
01:28:30
Torben Rothgeb
But whether it's the Green Stuff Chrome, the Revelle Chrome, and then initially the first one that came out was Alclad. Alclad Chrome. um you know Having that chrome option is nice. The Green Stuff's night just for touching.
01:28:43
Torben Rothgeb
up things. Just for doing little tiny things. Well, they have the brush one. Touch too much. Exactly. Seems like a touch. That's enough for you. Just a dirty little touch.
01:28:57
Torben Rothgeb
Who is this person? Who is this? But they do have an airbrush version, which I've used as well. Green stuff. That can use. have interest. He's the green stuff. He's also into the ganji. Well, we know they are in Detroit.
01:29:10
Torben Rothgeb
had no interest good ease's into the green stuff it also is stuff gone well we know they are is price Anyways. Is that enough? That's enough. All right. So that is enough. But I know later tonight to think of – I couldn't believe and didn't think of something like Tamiya Primer or other stuff. which is great. But, you know, there are a lot of good stuff, out the good things out there.
01:29:35
Torben Rothgeb
All right. Well, we are down to our Super 6, and that should be a pretty easy one for you guys.
Favorite Drivers and Racing Reflections
01:29:42
Torben Rothgeb
I know you struggled last time with your love of chains or not love of chains. That was our last food chains.
01:29:50
Torben Rothgeb
But this one is your six favorite drivers. All right, baby. All right. Well, I will ah start off with, of course, Richard Petty. I got to meet Richard Petty this year. a legend I thought that was a um fake.
01:30:07
Torben Rothgeb
No, this one was real. Oh, no, I'm kidding. They did have a fake one walking around. Yeah, yeah and he was very convincing, except he didn't have any. boots on. He didn't have any cowboy. Well, I bet he had a good time. I hope they recorded that on. That would have been a great YouTube video. So you got Richard Petty. Richard Petty. you're going to do your six now right off the top? Yeah, here he goes. You don't want to just throw him in the mix?
01:30:31
Torben Rothgeb
Oh, you want to do round robin like the drafts? Well, thought that we were to Okay, yeah, ahead. That's okay. I don't want to ruin This is your podcast. Well, I mean, this this is a no-brainer. He's 94 years old. Don Garlitz is... Big daddy. He's the goat. no Before you were Slim Jim. Slim Jim, right. Okay. yeah, so Garlitz would be Here he is.
01:30:51
Torben Rothgeb
Then he got his foot blown off, right? He did in 1970. That's pretty damn tough. But then he got up and he invented the rear engine dragster. Fantastic. yeah Most people would sit around crying because their foot got blown off. He said, get me get me out of here. Let's go.
01:31:07
Torben Rothgeb
Yep. yup so I would go with Dan Gurney because he wanted just about everything he drove. A fantastic you know race car owner. Won lot of races as an owner. But as a driver, he was fantastic. his claim to fame, though, is what?
01:31:21
Torben Rothgeb
He was the only American to have an American car that will won Formula One race. That too. But he was the one that invented the champagne. Oh, the champagne spray at the 67 Le Mans. Yeah, right. He started. I mean, this this is the...
01:31:36
Torben Rothgeb
it It transcends yeah everything. i It's everywhere. I never knew that. No, i mean, it's it's one of those things that people don't even know that about him. you know Not to mention a phenomenal you know driver. Well, all of our tiny car podcast or listeners know that now.
01:31:52
Torben Rothgeb
They do. So after they won him and Floyd won... Randy, you have to be good. for You got to help us out. ah You go a second, Tony. All right. Well, that leads me into when American Motors got back into racing.
01:32:07
Torben Rothgeb
um This driver was talking about working with Roger Penske. And Gurney, um you know, talk about being in a room with those guys would be fascinating. But Bobby Allison, um you know, wasn't the easiest guy to get along with. Very stubborn.
01:32:25
Torben Rothgeb
um Only stayed with ah usually a car owner for two or three years, no matter how much success he had. But man, he could drive the wheels off stuff. He just won in just about everything all the way up to his last year driving on the Daytona 500. So, yeah.
01:32:40
Torben Rothgeb
um As far as driving talent, it's hard to beat it. Don Perdom, that'd be my next pick. The snake. The snake. Started him and Tommy McEwen started the first non-automotive sponsor, wildlife racing, Hot Wheels, the phenomenon.
01:32:58
Torben Rothgeb
um He also won, you know, in the Hawaiian twice and won several championships. So, yeah, that'd be my awesome pick.
01:33:10
Torben Rothgeb
Well, that probably led to a Hot Wheels at, you know, your grandson's a big Hot Wheels collector. You wonder, uh, if, uh, Hot Wheels would have ever gotten off the ground without, you know, mean, that was a big part of.
01:33:21
Torben Rothgeb
My second one would be Mario Andretti. Cause he won the Formula One championship. He won the 500. He won Daytona. He won tons of dirt track. He won in everything he could do. So mine would be second would be Mario.
01:33:34
Torben Rothgeb
Okay. Well, uh, You know, ah growing up ah two hours away from Indianapolis, my first racing was the Indy 500. And I remember having this board game, the Indy 500 game. yeah My brother and I would play it all the time with all the drivers.
01:33:52
Torben Rothgeb
And so a lot of Indy drivers would be on my list. And probably the biggest one, ah the first year we made it over to the race was 1988.
01:34:04
Torben Rothgeb
And Rick Mears won that. So I would i put Rick Mears down. Yeah, four-time winner. yeah I was there for number four. There you go. Who's your number three? ah Well, you guys are probably not familiar with Bob Glidden, but he was pro-stock 10-time world champion.
01:34:21
Torben Rothgeb
ah Started as as a line mechanic with his wife, and she was a crew chief, worked on engines and everything else. He was ah probably the one of the hardest working drivers in pro stock and won 10 championships, like I said, which would probably never be repeated. So, and just a really nice guy.
01:34:43
Torben Rothgeb
Cool. Did he drive one of those Superman cars? No, you're thinking of Warren Johnson. Warren Johnson. Bob was a Ford man. Okay. From the get-go. He drove the 84 Tempo, maybe? No.
01:34:58
Torben Rothgeb
Oh, that was a funny car. T-Birds. Okay. Yeah. T-Bird Pro Stock. T-Birds, Mustang, Mustang too Jim Allen built one of those, right? Thunderbird Pro Stock. Yeah. Okay.
01:35:11
Torben Rothgeb
My third one would have to be, I mean, this is sentimental, but Jimmy Clark, you know, because he was phenomenal driver. And he drove a whole bunch of stuff, drove sports cars, drove, he even drove it and ah in a NASCAR race. where He won the 500, he won two world championships.
01:35:27
Torben Rothgeb
Great driver. So that would be my third one. Okay. Well, you guys took a couple of mine, so I'll do Mario Andretti. I just remember ah Mario Andretti always seemed to be leading the Indy 500, and then something would blow up. ah But I was happy while he was leading it.
01:35:47
Torben Rothgeb
Cool. I'm going to probably jump in back into the drag racing again. Surprise. Kenny Bernstein, Budweiser King. brought Budweiser to drag racing.
01:35:59
Torben Rothgeb
Also first to 300. But he was instrumental in bringing a lot of sponsors into the sport and won several championships and great promoter. and yeah also owned Ricky Rudd's Quaker State car. He was in the NASCAR and Indy cars at the same time. But yeah, another another really ah game changer. so My fourth one is maybe...
01:36:24
Torben Rothgeb
different things but i always loved david pearson because he beat richard petty you know and always thought he was he drove really cool cars and um he was always seemed like a really down-to-earth guy you know i i i loved him always as a kid as a kid and now so so pearson okay yeah All right. Well, I'm going to break another one out that Jim had.
01:36:48
Torben Rothgeb
But until I met Richard Petty, he was the only guy that I'd met Don Perdom. And it was nice enough to take a picture with Torben Jr. um but at the Mopars in the park.
01:37:00
Torben Rothgeb
And I always remember having the Hot Wheels cars of, I didn't have the early ones, the ones that are worth a lot of money, but I did have the Army Snake.
01:37:11
Torben Rothgeb
I guess it was a mom. That's the one you built. The one I built. Yep. yeah So I had the Hot Wheels car of that. And so that was always, uh, cool. Really cool. So that, that's way up to number five now.
01:37:22
Torben Rothgeb
yeah That's your fifth. Uh, I'll go with a promoter slash innovator. We've talked about him before. Um, Mickey Thompson. Oh, wow. Okay. Um, that's a big, uh, big shoes to fill or whatever. Um, just a phenomenal innovator.
01:37:40
Torben Rothgeb
was, you know, busy with, uh, bondaville and uh everything i mean indie cars to drag racing to you know um he got into the motocross uh venue or whatever with promoting that that's how he ended up losing his life was from that but um just uh you know he was into everything and just really got into it and had his own teams and all that stuff super teams were in my thought so My fifth one would be Bruce McLaren. I mean, because he he but was dominant in sports cars in Canada. They dominated Canada racing, Formula One. i mean, McLaren cars continue to win Formula One races to the day and Indy cars and they won everything. So just his engineering brilliance and his great driving ability, you know, so mine would be Bruce.
01:38:34
Torben Rothgeb
Well, as a person who loves the color orange, papaya is an excellent shade. Mm-hmm. All right My last one is probably the the driver, uh, that, uh, I got to see his whole career and I rooted for the most, uh, was, uh, Jeff Gordon. Um, when I got into NASCAR, uh, he was just starting out again, I think probably living close to Indianapolis, uh, winning the first Brickyard 400, um, and then going to the Brickyard, um,
01:39:05
Torben Rothgeb
Oddly enough, i went and in like the years in between where he didn't win. and i went in 97 and 96. seven and ninety six Um, and then I actually got married, uh, in 98, uh, and he won that.
01:39:21
Torben Rothgeb
Um, but I missed that unfortunately, but part of my honeymoon was going to Watkins Glen the next week and he did win that. So I got to see, uh, him win on my honeymoon at least at Watkins Glen.
01:39:35
Torben Rothgeb
Uh, but, uh, um, phenomenal. Unfortunately, he's phenomenal racer. Unfortunately, he, uh, got kind of caught up in the chase. And so I felt like he kind of ah should have had more championships.
01:39:48
Torben Rothgeb
He certainly got penalized before the chase when Terry Labonte won two, two wins and he won 10, 10 races ah in 96.
01:39:59
Torben Rothgeb
But then also in the chase, like the first year of the chase, he was leading the points going into that. And then, he he He missed out by five or ten points at the end to Kurt Busch.
01:40:13
Torben Rothgeb
I feel like he he could have gotten more championships than he did. But, you know, the 94 wins, I think it is, speak for themselves. That's the, you know, only to Petty and Pearson. And they were driving a lot more races than he was.
01:40:29
Torben Rothgeb
so I'm going to go with an honorable mention, John Force. Okay. Okay. That's your sixth one then, right? Yeah. So that's easy. He basically started with nothing and lived in a trailer park.
01:40:41
Torben Rothgeb
And is his whole life story is pretty phenomenal. who Didn't have anything to start with. And he kept diligently active on you know all fronts and getting promotions and you know different sponsors and things like that. And then he finally broke through and then He's pretty much an icon in the sport now. So, family man, the whole thing. He's got, you know, his daughters are actively involved in racing. You know, his one daughter is married to Ray Hall.
01:41:18
Torben Rothgeb
Oh, Graham Ray. Graham Ray Hall. And so, yes i that's definitely something substantial. so And then there's Brittany. Right. Yes, there is. Yes. Yeah.
01:41:32
Torben Rothgeb
My last one is tough one because there's two drivers, but I have to pick one. and So probably it would be – probably the man when he died had the most impact on me. so would be Ayrton Senna, who was a three-time world champion, and he died in 94. And it was it was they very i was very sad because he's such a great driver and interesting person. and So that would be mine.
01:41:58
Torben Rothgeb
you
Conclusion and Future Optimism
01:41:59
Torben Rothgeb
You took him over Jackie Stewart? I took him over Jackie Stewart. thought you were going to say Bobby at once, sir. No, I'm not going to do that. I can't believe that. I am not cheater. I did not lie.
01:42:13
Torben Rothgeb
Well, another fabulous podcast. Another fabulous podcast. We are in double digits, episode 10. So for anybody who is listening out there, thank you very much ah for your support. And we look forward to our next show. Our next 10.
01:42:32
Torben Rothgeb
ah And our next 10, our next 100. Whoa. Whoa. so ah Take it easy. Let's slow down. Our next 10. All right. Sounds good. And we still haven't don't have our lead up. ah ourite What do they call that when you? ah Segway?
01:42:49
Torben Rothgeb
No, they have a name. Professional podcasters have a name for like, you have the intro. Oh, outro. Outro. I suggest you this. We still don't have the outro.
01:43:01
Torben Rothgeb
But what I can tell you is the gong means goodbye. So goodbye, friends.