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Tiny Car Podcast Episode #11
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Torben, Bob, and Jim discuss the recent NNL shows in Milwaukee and Minneapolis, discuss ways to manage your model car collection, talk about the best ways to give and receive feedback to other builders, and share their 6 favorite racing paint schemes.
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Transcript
Introduction and Welcome
00:00:02
Torben Rothgeb
Welcome to the Tiny Car Podcast. This is your host, Torvin Rosgev, and my co-host, Madrick, coming to you live from the Lake Spring Studios in beautiful Minneapolis, the coolest city in the world.
00:00:19
Torben Rothgeb
All right, well, hello out there. Hope everybody's doing great. Hope you're enjoying your summer. For me as a teacher, it is the best time of the year. Welcoming in Jim Campman. Again, paul apologies for not being part of the intro, but you'll always be in our hearts, Jim. How are you doing?
00:00:38
Torben Rothgeb
I'm doing great. Thanks for asking. Good, good, good to hear. And you, Bob? well I'm doing good, baby. What have you been up to? What does it look like? Getting a lot of building done. Feeling no pain, I see. Exactly.
00:00:54
Torben Rothgeb
And, you know, just having a a pleasant summer so far. How about you, Jarvin?
Preview of Topics
00:01:00
Torben Rothgeb
Oh, well, you know, it is very festive over the Lake Street Studios. And this show, I think, will reflect that.
00:01:08
Torben Rothgeb
and It's going to be one big festival from start to end. We got all kinds of stuff to talk about. We have two, not one, but two NNL shows to talk about. We have NNL Milwaukee and NNL North.
00:01:22
Torben Rothgeb
um The premier NNL shows in the upper Midwest. Then we also have, we're going to talk about the Wing Car Project. That's my latest project that I'm taking on.
00:01:33
Torben Rothgeb
um And then we have, ah we're going to talk about the MPC Contest. ah the The most recent auto modeler, Tim Boyd, wrote another fantastic article about the contests.
00:01:46
Torben Rothgeb
Then we have some drama in the hobby that we need to address and talk about. Everybody loves drama. We're going to hit the new releases. We have the question of the month, the best way to give and receive ah feedback, um which is, ah you know, it it gets a little dicey.
00:02:06
Torben Rothgeb
ah And, you know, Then our topic show... of the show is controlling your unbuilt stash and coming up with a plan ah for a styrene last will and testament. Because God knows ah your loved ones are already going to be devastated if they're just losing you.
00:02:29
Torben Rothgeb
But among other things that they're going to have to do, the last thing they want to focus on is dealing with 100, 200, 1,000, 2,000 unbuilt model kits.
00:02:40
Torben Rothgeb
um where where some can be worth $5, others can be worth $300, and what to do with them all. So we're going to talk about that. We have a multi-step plan that we're going to talk about because I know a lot of our listeners out there,
00:02:56
Torben Rothgeb
uh have a a stash that is maybe maybe out of control so we'll talk about that and then our super six is going to be racing uh paint schemes our six favorite uh racing paint schemes so uh jim you look like you had something to say well i wanted you to point out to the fans in the audience Your attire for tonight is very festive. Oh, yes, yes. ah Unfortunately, maybe one day if we ever get on a YouTube channel, ah you can see us in person. God knows what to do. And then also your
Sponsors and Personal Stories
00:03:33
Torben Rothgeb
sponsor. You need to in. Well, we have a couple of new sponsors. We have ah Randy's 3D Printing.
00:03:39
Torben Rothgeb
ah Randy sent me over. heard me talking about that resin body Thunderbird. that was trying to work with and he sent me over uh a ah brand new 3d printed 78 thunderbird and so uh to do another bobby allison car a daytona 500 winner uh so uh that looks fantastic thank you randy and he also sent over uh some gear shifts i build a lot of those starter kits those 143rds kits and one of my biggest pet peeves with them is they did not come with the gear shifts and they always said to take those
00:04:12
Torben Rothgeb
stupid pins from the dress shirts and put them in there but it's way out of scale and they don't look right so uh randy hooked me up with a bunch of gear shifts on there and so uh thank you uh to randy's 3d printing and then we also have olivia's dog walking services anywhere near minneapolis and even wisconsin if you need anybody to walk your dog or to dog sit Olivia is available.
00:04:38
Torben Rothgeb
and She doesn't have a criminal record either, so you don't have to worry if she's watching your house, stuff disappearing, things like that. So give Olivia a call. um She is great. So thank you to our sponsors.
00:04:51
Torben Rothgeb
All right, so why don't we jump in?
Recap of Hobby Events
00:04:54
Torben Rothgeb
I guess I'm the first one to go with the N&L Milwaukee since ah you guys, unfortunately, could not make it. My default socks.
00:05:03
Torben Rothgeb
Okay.
00:05:06
Torben Rothgeb
Well, you missed out, buddy. You really missed out. It was quite a turnoff. From what I understand, it was a record-setting number of miles. Well, first off, I was amazed at leaving Saturday morning instead of Friday, how better I felt by by Saturday evening.
00:05:20
Torben Rothgeb
I don't know what it was, but I think when you leave on Friday and then you hit the hobby shops, but then you kind of sit around all Saturday morning, And then by the time the afternoon gets there, because the show opens at three, you're kind of a little tired.
00:05:34
Torben Rothgeb
And by the end of the show, you're really tired. But, um you know, Chad and Bill picked me up about six, seven in the morning and we drove straight over there. We went to um no tickets, Model Empire, ah no tickets this time. So that was good. Chad was driving really good.
00:05:54
Torben Rothgeb
ah No tickets. And then, ah you know, Model Empire. And then we went to the Heisman Trophy winner out of Oklahoma, played with the Lions.
00:06:06
Torben Rothgeb
Not Barry Sanders, before Barry Sanders. I think it was Billy Sims. Billy Sims Barbecue. We went to that. Really? Yeah. It's good. Real good eating. And then we went over to the show.
00:06:16
Torben Rothgeb
Now, there were fewer cars. ah And I was surprised there weren't more 32 Fords because that was the theme. Mm-hmm. um And the sub theme was boats. So they had they had some boats there.
00:06:30
Torben Rothgeb
My favorite 32 was a Rick Shepard and it's a metallic blue and it had kind of a white fade going down. um That looked really cool. Um, the Mike, uh, Dowd award, we had back to back winners, uh, for the Mike Dowd, uh, Wayne Puffer.
00:06:47
Torben Rothgeb
He's back in the hobby. He's like, he's almost like Cher just recreating, reinventing himself and he's back. And he didn't even need a voice machine like Cher did. you believe? So, you know, so he is back and, uh, he also, uh, got into our top 10 in the NNL North.
00:07:05
Torben Rothgeb
Um, Other really good cars, Chris Krueger had a 68 Dodge Lowrider. It looked really cool. Oh, and you would have liked this. There's a Dodge Demon Pro Mod by Ken Boyer.
00:07:19
Torben Rothgeb
Is he third baseman for the Cardinals? sorry Maybe. He could have been the same person. Come on. In a new life. You know, my favorite was Bob Kramer's 68 Firebird. ah and Tim Kidwell took good pictures of these.
00:07:34
Torben Rothgeb
And then our very own Howard with the sailboat, which also placed in our NNL North, so and which is a great, brilliant segue into the NNL North.
00:07:47
Torben Rothgeb
What was you guys' take on the NNL North? Jim? Well, with the new venue... First year at the the building that we're in, in Invergrove Heights.
00:07:59
Torben Rothgeb
it was It was an awesome show, in my opinion. I think it's going to be a great place to meet, you know, in the future. And I think it's so we have a few growing pains that we had to deal with.
00:08:11
Torben Rothgeb
But other than that, it was a huge success. ah We didn't as make as much money as we typically would. But like I said... when you have to rent your own tables and pay for that, it costs quite a bit of money to, to do that. So anyway, but I think all in all, it was a a success.
00:08:29
Torben Rothgeb
um Tim Kidwell took lots of pictures. He was really pleased with the, with the venue and lighting and that kind of thing. Yeah, no, I think it's, ah it's, it's running itself and we're already ah anticipating next year as a,
00:08:46
Torben Rothgeb
ah bigger and better uh show so yep same location same growth same bad time same bad channel no no reason to change it it runs itself yeah and so yeah now we're you know we're going to tweak some things probably try and get another food truck we had one there this year and uh get some so better signage and things like that but yeah no i think all in all i think it's uh Maybe a golf cart to bring in people's stuff. I think it's here to say, well, no, i dont we don't want a, um we don't want a accident mini bites. We could have some mini bites. No, no, no, i No, and I think we probably need some carts for some of the people that are having a hard time getting around and they're wobbling, you know, wobbling around and stuff like that. Well, you did, Jim, you did a great job, you know, procuring the vendors. We had a lot of vendors. There's a lot of stuff to buy.
00:09:37
Torben Rothgeb
I take pride in doing that. You do a great job. I really feel like it's fun to do, and it's great to get the participants. Yep. And, you know, there's great there's a loading dock area, which makes it really easy for people to get stuff in there. And, you know, as long as somebody isn't locked out and they're screaming, you know, at the top of their lungs, it's fine. But, yeah, no, I think everybody was really complimentary. And, you know, we we had, you know, new T-shirts again. And yeah, no, I think it, um I think it's fine. So yeah, we can't wait for next year.
00:10:11
Torben Rothgeb
I think it's the same, what is it? The 18th or something. We had a date for it. i already got it. I talked to Jamie. it was great to work with there. She's she's sharp. what She's doing. um It was fine. I mean, I think we we we were down a little bit entrance wise, but I think again, with the new facility, I got a slew of emails and a couple of calls like, where is this place? And,
00:10:35
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, so it's people once people get used to the new facility, that'll be helpful. It's much safer area than the previous location. I think so. Oh, yeah. Better parking. Better parking. Yeah, it does have parking where the other place didn't really have much.
00:10:48
Torben Rothgeb
So it's it's great. We just simply outgrew the other place. Yeah. yeah And so it was great. Yeah. Well, congratulations to our top 10 winners. We had real quickly Dan Deco with a 60 F100.
00:11:02
Torben Rothgeb
Rick Shepard with his 40 Ford. Wayne Puffer, 71 Roadrunner. Rick Allen, 33 Willys. Steve Melgaard with that beautiful black 32 Ford. Marty Anirink with his T-Bird.
00:11:15
Torben Rothgeb
Brady Scog with the Aero 47 Chevy. Eric Zabel is funny. They just had Toyota race car, Howard, uh, Q Quidno with a sailboat, uh, that he had seen from a, uh, was a PBS show top gear. yeah Um, Mike classic with another Toyota race car and our 57 heaven, a winner, which was presented by Bob hood, president of MCCM, um, had the 57 Plymouth for Rick Allen.
00:11:46
Torben Rothgeb
And, uh, Larry Roper, same Mr. Roper from um but its Three's Company. Thank you. A Dodge Dart that Bob Halliday fell in love with.
00:11:58
Torben Rothgeb
And then Steve Melgar won the other award. um And who was that from? That was from the Slam Club. Slam Club. yup Yeah. So those were our winners. Congratulations to them.
Humorous Incidents and Negotiations
00:12:11
Torben Rothgeb
um Moving on, we did ah we did have a little bit of drama in the hobby at the vending. Normally, you wouldn't say that somebody had prices too cheap, but it did, in fact, lead ah to probably a bad bruise in my chest is what happened.
00:12:33
Torben Rothgeb
As I was looking at this big tote of 1 16th scale ah funny cars, And I'm already having a debate.
00:12:43
Torben Rothgeb
And, you know, it's also related to our topic of of the show, ah controlling your unbuilt stash, because over the years, this will probably shock some people, but I have bought a lot of 116 funny cars. know And i I made a deal with myself that I wasn't going to buy one until I built one.
00:13:02
Torben Rothgeb
But then I come and this is is what happens. I come across all of these 116th funny cards in this big tote.
00:13:13
Torben Rothgeb
And I'm talking to Don Static and he is ah he's just talking and and and you know so ah and a friend of the show, Andy Martin.
00:13:24
Torben Rothgeb
ah who's one of our guests, ah was standing next to me and he's talking about, well, what do you want to get for this? um You know, and then ah Don says, oh, I don't know, at least 40.
00:13:39
Torben Rothgeb
And, ah you know, both of us at the same time kind of perk up $40. because there's probably about, I don't know, seven 1 16th scale bodies. There's about three or four complete kits.
00:13:53
Torben Rothgeb
um There's a 1 16th dragster. I think this is what Andy really liked. And they had an engine from... That wasn't from the Revell 116th ones, but it was from the other, what was the other company that made? Aurora.
00:14:08
Torben Rothgeb
Aurora. That was in there too? Yes. Good Lord. And so, um as he's as Don's saying this, I'm feeling like this elbow in my rib. Right.
00:14:20
Torben Rothgeb
And it it almost felt like Andy was boxing me out. it you know, it's been a long time since I played basketball, but that's what it felt like. And all of a sudden, he's got $40 in the air, giving it to Don Static.
00:14:34
Torben Rothgeb
And poor Don looked like he was somehow roped into this mediation thing with not really knowing what to do. And at this point, you know, I'm kind of in a ah fight or flight thing. I'm debating, right? um i First off, I could ah box out Andy again and and and say, what are you doing?
00:14:56
Torben Rothgeb
Secondly, I could get into a bidding war, but I'm already on the fence. I certainly don't need any more 116th Funny Cars. Okay. So and I certainly don't need to um get into some kind of bidding war for for this, you know.
00:15:12
Torben Rothgeb
And ah so I, you know, I just say, well, you know, Andy really wants it more than I do. So and so ah and then but but to Andy's credit.
00:15:24
Torben Rothgeb
Now, he he called he gets sends me an email. I'm at work Monday morning. And the first thing opened up is this email from Andy and he invites me to come over to this house. He apologizes. It's a real long, ah a lot of words. And it surprised me apologizes for like, ah you know, um I can't remember the words he used, but, ah you know, and come over to his house and then, you know, look at, you know, he said he was only going take the dragster and a couple other things. And I could come in and look, look at what I wanted.
00:15:58
Torben Rothgeb
So I did that, ah came over, and I you know ended up going with about three altogether, three 1-16th kits and two different decal sheets. One to do the Carefree um du stuff Duster ah from Mongoose.
00:16:15
Torben Rothgeb
ah And then ah the it's this War Eagle Vega, right? They're decals for a War Eagle Vega. Well, I'll show them to you. Okay. yeah they're I don't know who made them.
00:16:29
Torben Rothgeb
They look okay, though. But anyway, so – I'll correct you later. It's okay. All right. Well, no, it's – anyway. um and it's ah It's a flat-faced Vegas, not a flat-faced Vegas. a command i saw I thought it was a white car. it's white.
00:16:44
Torben Rothgeb
Because you were asking me about it last weekend about how successful it was. And I said, not really. Not very. But it's a cool-looking car. Yeah, a cool-looking car. um So I got that. And then I'm wondering, maybe Andy feels so guilty he's just going to give me this stuff.
00:16:59
Torben Rothgeb
And then so we're we're talking. Yeah. And and all of a sudden ah he says, well, well well we to settle up for this. Okay. Settle up for this. All right. ah So then I know that he paid $40 for the whole shebang. And so I'm thinking, okay, well, $20.
00:17:15
Torben Rothgeb
And then Andy just starts shaking and say oh, I can't give it to you for that. yeah ah it's like And was like, okay, well, 30. And then there's awkward silence. through It seemed like a minute, maybe two, but it's probably about 30 seconds. And then finally he takes it. So $30. So, you know, I don't know. To me, i you know, don't really. I mean, I got three.
00:17:39
Torben Rothgeb
It was a good deal for me. You know, and I had to step away from, yeah, 30 bucks. I had to step away from the fact that I know he got everything for 40. And he even mentioned that he was going to call you about the resin body for the Roadrunner and put the rest on eBay.
00:17:55
Torben Rothgeb
But, you know, it is what it is, I guess. You know, what's your take on that? i Leah was a little more upset than I was. I was just like, I don't know.
00:18:06
Torben Rothgeb
Well, I think when you you told me, you're like, right after it happened, I knew you were pretty You were pretty shocked. i was a little miffed. yeah um it It's not something you expected him to do and so in the way that he did it while he was shoving his way into the conversation because clearly you were there first.
00:18:26
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, but we were both talking to Don. In France, we were both du talking. but i mean obviously when the price came up That's when he kind of went into, you know, he went over dry, got into a mode. Yeah. yeah Yeah. And, uh, you know, and like, and and typical, I mean, you know, this is, this is kind of his mantra or whatever, is that once he made the purchase and then he started selling the stuff that he just bought,
00:18:50
Torben Rothgeb
which is something that I've always been critical. i see I see people do it all the time where they go to a show, they get in early, they find something at a cheap price, and they immediately put it on their table with you know at a profit, which is kind of like an unwritten rule. You just don't do that. It doesn't show a lot of class.
00:19:12
Torben Rothgeb
Anyway, um movie i mean, he did give you a decent price for it. At the end of the day, you know you got a good deal. I just, I don't think it's worth the aggravation or the, you know, the, the rib, you know, the pain in the ribs. You know, I know you're starting to heal. You're still healing, but you know, I give you a lot of credit for being a kind person and, uh, you know, um moving, moving along and, you know, paybacks are a bitch as you know.
00:19:40
Torben Rothgeb
Well, you know, he didn't have to email me. So, you know, he emailed me too. So it was, it was nice. Um, It is what it is. You know, we have we have people in the hobby. it's It's just the way things are. Everybody's different.
00:19:53
Torben Rothgeb
No hard feelings. And, you know, his old, and he told me that um all they really wanted was the dragster anyway because he wants to build a 1 16th, you know, side winder like the other one he did. Oh, no scale nice. So he'll have all different scales. That'll be lot of titanium.
00:20:12
Torben Rothgeb
So anyway, so, you know, to each his own. i yeah Like I said, I think you handled it really well. yeah and you know well And it could always be worse. you know As we talk about drama, we heard a story at the NNL North and now, like in Dragnet, the names have been changed to protect the innocent.
Model Club Drama
00:20:34
Torben Rothgeb
But that that really saw how far ah things can get in a model club where jail time is actually done. And so... don dot so But we were talking to people who had traveled from far away to our NNL North, and they were talking about an incident where the guy who had started the club, and then he ah he had had a ah medical illness and wanted to step away as president.
00:21:06
Torben Rothgeb
And so they appointed another president. Well, then he gets better and he comes back. He wants to be president. Well, the guy that stepped in says, ah no, I think I still want to be president, you know, and it wasn't a bloody coup, but it got pretty close to that. As far as the but money in the account ended up getting they broke in and took the money from the account.
00:21:32
Torben Rothgeb
And then one of the members on the the one side went after a member on the other side. And then they ended up having to call the cops and do, you know, somebody spent the night in prison. The rest is history.
00:21:47
Torben Rothgeb
The rest is history, right? It's almost like night in jail. You just never you never know, um which is friend probably why you you need to have stuff in writing. and you know Exactly.
00:22:00
Torben Rothgeb
um Yeah, yeah. And certainly then have the money and have a plan with that, you know. But speaking of plans, we have a ah ah coming up with a plan ah to control your unbeat stash, your unbuilt stash.
Collection Management and Planning
00:22:20
Torben Rothgeb
Right. Because um and and Jim, what do you think an estimation of how many unbuilt kits do you have? Why why are you singling me out? I take offense to that. It's a work in progress.
00:22:35
Torben Rothgeb
No, really. I haven't bought any new kits in quite a while, actually. and not Not like some people who stash things, you know, in their crawl space or in the insulation of their garage. well just i am truthful Truthfully, it's a great idea. I wish I would have. But anyway, no, its it's something that, you know, I think all of us struggle with in one way or another.
00:23:01
Torben Rothgeb
um that we're not gonna survive to build everything we want it except for maybe don stauffer but otherwise um no i think it's it's something to take seriously to talk to your you know loved ones and tell them what you want done with the stuff and uh come up with a plan i think it's i think it's actually a really good idea i mean um Yeah, talk about one of our... I mean, didn't didn't we talk about that at a meeting one time? I think Don Static brought it up, you know.
00:23:31
Torben Rothgeb
What you going to do with your collection? Can I have your phone number? I mean, but I mean, no it's it's and the And the thing is, is that you see it all the time, especially in as people get older. You know we witnessed a couple of really big collections come up that um kind of boggle the mind. Yeah.
00:23:50
Torben Rothgeb
There's still some people out there. I won't name names, but that have never sold anything that they've ever purchased. And so, I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's on the edge of hoarding, I would say to a certain extent.
00:24:04
Torben Rothgeb
um You know, there's people that will be interested in one type of a model, say cars or some that build everything and collect everything. And so the sky's the limit. So, i mean, it's,
00:24:19
Torben Rothgeb
You know, it's something that people should talk about and come up with a plan. You know, it's like anything else I'm working on right now with a will with my wife. And, uh, Interestingly enough, now the kits have come up in the conversation, but, um you know, it's it's something to talk about. You know, I can speak from my own experience with a collection that i was asked to purchase from a friend a good friend of mine.
00:24:45
Torben Rothgeb
And I've struggled with some of that stuff because I didn't build it. And so it's not something I really want to keep in my collection. um But by the same token...
00:24:58
Torben Rothgeb
um, I liked, I'd like to get it to somebody that would appreciate it. And so that's kind of been my focus, but it's take, it takes a lot of time. takes a lot of time. It takes a lot of place, space to put everything.
00:25:13
Torben Rothgeb
Um, if the person's not very organized with certain things, then, you know, you have to do that yourself. And so, um, it's, it's a love hate relationship with that kind of stuff.
00:25:24
Torben Rothgeb
I guess it's kind of a, It kind of opens your eyes to what you know you could be dealing with or you your family could be dealing with with your stuff. I think it's definitely worth the conversation.
00:25:38
Torben Rothgeb
um you know so it's Everybody's different. yeah um you know and and There's ways to sell stuff if you really want to get rid of it. but i mean you know i mean I'm not going to call on anything, but i mean for someone to have a collection 1.8 scale Corvettes...
00:25:56
Torben Rothgeb
to the tune of 12 or whatever it is, I don't know what your mindset is to buy them. I mean, I know maybe you got to deal on them, but still you got to have a place to put them. And then what are you going to do with them then?
00:26:11
Torben Rothgeb
Well, yeah, do you – I mean, at least have a plan, and that says – and kudos to ah Don Static because he has started selling the stuff.
Market Dynamics and Selling Challenges
00:26:22
Torben Rothgeb
Some of the stuff too cheap creates other problems. but um But I did want to ask him, was there a time when you bought 12 – did you want to build all factory colors for those Corvettes? And then were you going to have a whole room in your house, just a Corvette room because those take up so much space? Yeah.
00:26:40
Torben Rothgeb
um But, you know, there's a lot of reasons that this happened. And I'll be glad to admit that I probably have 600 unbuilt kits. um And the the small box guy got me this last one because he's got all these kits. well And one of the big problems is um that it's such a buyer's market.
00:27:01
Torben Rothgeb
You know, um you go to some of these swap meets and... you know The small kit guy, if you buy enough of them, they're $10 a piece. And so I had that Dodge NASCAR truck. I got another one of those for $10.
00:27:14
Torben Rothgeb
I got the 61 Pontiac ah with a race car, a Joe Weatherly one, for $10. That's the deal. A Polar Lights Talladega for $10. so I got the Danica Patrick Next Gen, or no, Gen 6 kits.
00:27:28
Torben Rothgeb
Those go for a lot. I got that for $10 So, you know, it's it's such, and we talked about the 116th funny cars, get three 116th funny cars with aftermarket decals for two of them for 30 bucks, you know? So it's such a ah buyer's market.
00:27:45
Torben Rothgeb
And then when you go to sell them, um Especially, I mean, you can't give NASCAR kits away. I mean, basically, i think there's probably, like, for those AMT that is a dollar. just have to put a dollar on them and think that I'm gaining space, not getting money out of them. Well, those IndyCar kits, we've seen them at shows. I think there's a lot of kits, actually, that are in that same category. I think it depends on, it's all supply and demand.
00:28:10
Torben Rothgeb
It is. And it's it's all, you know, you talk about deals, and it's a buyer's market. I mean, the market is still pretty flooded with kits. Oh, yeah. And, you know, round two keeps bringing back out, you know, more flash kits, you know, like I refer to them as, but they're, you know, reissues is the same thing. And so, um yeah, I think it's, I think it's really um ah conundrum when it comes to, you know, what do I do?
00:28:37
Torben Rothgeb
You know, you just have to have self, you know, it's a self-control thing. I mean, you see the companies putting out more very interesting subjects like, You know, ICM just came out with another version of the 32 Ford. It's not a 32 Ford. It's a Model A. It's Model A. Model That's okay.
00:28:53
Torben Rothgeb
But I mean, and it looks beautiful. Yeah. You know, and yeah long for kids yeah so I mean, but it's like but even in that particular case, the kit's expensive enough where it's going to be something that you have to be serious about that you would actually build it because it's 60 bucks. It's not in that same market with the, you know, three for one deal at Hobby Lobby. Right. It's not. So, you know, you can't put on it.
00:29:15
Torben Rothgeb
yeah Yeah. Go ahead. Well, we've we've seen like those, the IndyCar kits that they did in the late 80s. AMT ones. AMT ones. Some guys, we've seen them on shows like for $30, $35 a piece. It's like, you're going to take this home constantly. He's going to take them home. There's no way around it.
00:29:32
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. Yeah. Well, and then I think another thing that works against one of the ironies of the hobby is... So the better you get at building, the longer it takes to build them.
00:29:42
Torben Rothgeb
but you know I remember when I first got in the hobby as an adult, I could build three cars in a weekend. Now they looked horrible, but I was having a great time doing them.
00:29:53
Torben Rothgeb
And you know burie jim half the half the parts were left over when I got it on the shelf. Half the parts were left over? Yes. You radiator hoses. Who needs those? Who needs stuff like nobody's going to look under there?
00:30:06
Torben Rothgeb
ah once you get to a certain point, you're right, the hole it slows down. Oh, yeah, absolutely. yes You're yeah not as efficient as you were before. And you want it to look better because you – It's important to you.
00:30:19
Torben Rothgeb
It's important to you because, you know, and in the clubs, when you bring it, you want people to go, oh, that's really nice. Yeah. you You yearn for that approval, you know, so – So you got to take a lot longer. Buyer's market. You got retail therapy. You know, ironically, when I have less time to build, that's when I'm more likely to buy stuff because I want to do something and it it's takes a couple minutes to buy something. Well, right. Exactly. Where it takes 50 hours to build a kit. And there's lots of great stuff coming out.
00:30:45
Torben Rothgeb
Yep. Yep. They're always coming out with new stuff. But yeah so the first thing on our plan, stop buying. Right. You got stop buying or at least sell or give one away for every addition to your collection. That's right. Is Cameron listening to this? No, really. Is he?
00:31:04
Torben Rothgeb
since silly um step two you need to organize uh keep a list and at least don static was good at that he had everything listed on the computer yep um and then probably maybe put a price range on your stuff go through your stuff um just you know because you just never know and have a list uh you know so whoever is going through this um We'll get an an idea of what what what the prices cost.
00:31:34
Torben Rothgeb
um Designate a styrene executor, kind of. um This is maybe somebody from the club. I have one of those. Yes. There you go.
00:31:46
Torben Rothgeb
The happy man with the hat. Yeah. That is good. And and let them know you know. Because even when you do, I mean, you know with the guy's collection that you covered in the club, you walked through and talked about a lot of stuff with him, right?
00:32:03
Torben Rothgeb
are you talking about now? Well, Mike Scott. I did, yeah. well we had you talk But even then you ran into some trouble with like his daughter wanted this and wanted that. And then when we showed up to move stuff.
00:32:17
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, that was just a drama just the drama of the the experience that you don't know what's coming. Right. Because you don't know how the person, the widow is going to react to.
00:32:29
Torben Rothgeb
the death of the, of the, you know, yeah the husband. I mean, it's, it, there's just kind of the, the unknown. i don't even know how to describe it. You don't know what you don't know.
00:32:40
Torben Rothgeb
Everybody. If I speak to the Jim Van Dyke collection, ah that was another situation where the kids were basically, they needed the money so they could sell the house and get everything out of there. And so it was a, it was a convenience thing.
00:32:58
Torben Rothgeb
And I mean, you're talking about thousands of kits and thousands of die casts. Yep. They don't really know what to do. Right. And I felt really bad for them because, you know, here they had a ah father that had biitis.
00:33:13
Torben Rothgeb
They couldn't stop buying. And, you know, he never bought them anything their whole lives. Oh, gosh. And, you know, I mean, the amount of money that he spent.
00:33:24
Torben Rothgeb
You know, he could have bought a cabin on the lake that they could have went. I mean, it's it's just there's so many different scenarios that you could, you know, draw attention to and say, hey, you know, maybe you should stop 3D printing and actually finish them on it. Yes. Not that calling him. I'm sure his kids had a lot of resentment.
00:33:43
Torben Rothgeb
Oh, terrible. I mean, you know, the guy had 20 some Dukes Hazzard chargers and his son, he never gave his son one. Yeah. You know, and it's like. nope it's, it's beyond belief.
00:33:57
Torben Rothgeb
So, um, yeah, you live and learn. yeah Everything's an experience, um, to all those cliches.
Club Ideas and Kit Exchanges
00:34:05
Torben Rothgeb
Um, But, you know, going back to the, you know, styrene, what did you call yourself?
00:34:11
Torben Rothgeb
Styrene executor. well We still haven't really had a conversation about that yet because the doors are still locked. so Yeah, you're going to have to show me your stash before I can be an executor. You show me yours and I'll show you my I love the secrecy of this. What's that? Yours, you know, it's interesting, you know. Well, you know, it's, it's a you know.
00:34:32
Torben Rothgeb
as it's the compound as jj refers to it the camp and compound and no one knows what's in there and it's like that's correct and so so let's keep it that way so anyway but no it's not it's not that it's not that big a deal really you know a really cool idea one year the milwaukee nl uh uh the club that always wins the uh amg amg They had a thing where they went to each other's houses, and of course they blocked off a few kits that were sacred.
00:35:03
Torben Rothgeb
But ah club members could pick one kit out of each person's stash and build it, which is you know kind of a cool way if you're not going to build them all. Yeah, yeah.
00:35:14
Torben Rothgeb
And then even and when you're making a list, even set aside some, you know, I know this guy really likes drag racing. So if I don't build it, send this to so-and-so and, um you know, to at least.
00:35:27
Torben Rothgeb
Sometimes I'll make an effort to buy something at a swap meet or a toy show or whatever. And I'll buy it specifically to put it in a white elephant because it's such a cool little subject.
00:35:39
Torben Rothgeb
but Not that I would talk about it, not one-forty-third. But, mean, it's subject that and someone would really like, and I just go like, hey, this would be great because in our club, the white elephant is like this.
00:35:50
Torben Rothgeb
that month is the favorite month of the year. Yes. yeah no And it is neat to bring something good. Something good that they'll go, ooh, ah, ooh, and watch it get passed around. And that's And we were talking about this this morning, um but I remember I got at a raffle, I got a Lamborghini. It was a racing Lamborghini that was sponsored by a watch. I don't know if it was Rolex or somebody else.
00:36:13
Torben Rothgeb
But it was really cool looking kit. But at the same time, I didn't think I was going to build it. And so I put it in the White Elephant and it was really fun when one of those kits ends up getting stolen over and over again. So, you know, putting stuff like that in and being generous with your stuff because...
00:36:31
Torben Rothgeb
You know, it's dawned on all of us that there's no way I'm going to all this You're not going to build all this It's just not. you know, another one problems, oh, it all sparks joy, you know. Right. You know, from that one author who, you know, was talking about hoarders and narrowing stuff down. The problem with it for me is I can look at it and start thinking about how I want to build it. And it still sparks joy. Absolutely. Unfortunately, I just don't have enough time to build all the things that spark joy. Right.
00:36:58
Torben Rothgeb
And so narrowing it down, maybe if you want to do a hundred that you're going to, you're sure you're going to build, give another hundred that you think you, you might have a chance.
00:37:11
Torben Rothgeb
And just for some reason you end up living 120, another 50. And then that still leaves 250 kits that if you're being honest with yourself, and you need to find a home for, still find a home for, but it is,
00:37:25
Torben Rothgeb
It's a lot easier said than done. You know, that's a great segue to go into the new releases. Yes. Speaking of that.
Upcoming Releases and Brand Revivals
00:37:32
Torben Rothgeb
releases. I can't wait to talk about Donut apparently. Yes. Yes. Well, uh,
00:37:37
Torben Rothgeb
I can, as always, give you the Salvino's update. ah Next month's kit of the month is the Petty 74 Charger. I'm sure by the time they're all said and done, they'll do every single Petty Charger.
00:37:50
Torben Rothgeb
so what was the significance of that car? Well, that one did win a Daytona 500 and a Winston Cup champion. uh ship for him um so uh it's a successful car yeah by then i believe they would have moved on to the small block is it red and blue or is it it's the same paint scheme basically um it's a little bit rounded uh by the front wheel opening um it's more of a little cheating with the wind uh yeah i know it's hard you to believe but yeah it had ah didn't it have um
00:38:25
Torben Rothgeb
I thought it had the wheels were painted like blue or something. It it had a unique color. It was on the cover of Hot Rod. I remember they did a big article on the car. They were still racing at Riverside at that point.
00:38:36
Torben Rothgeb
yeah now He always had a lot of success at that track. He did. um But anyway, so no, it's a significant car. I mean, its especially when they're going to do like almost every pedi car right yes basically and it had chrome wheels uh at least the one on the box has chrome wheels okay um i do know the first charger in 72 that he raised had the petty blue wheels okay maybe that's what i was thinking of you're right the chrome wheels were on that yeah 74 and uh then uh speaking of uh you know um
00:39:08
Torben Rothgeb
winning cars, Alex Polo's Indie Winner, um which is still, it's not Joseph Newgarden, but it's still a yellow and red car, but this one is the DHL car. It's a good-looking looking car it so It is a good-looking car. Here's your order in.
00:39:27
Torben Rothgeb
We were talking this morning about possibly taking a second swing at the Indie car. Yes, was serious. Were you serious about that? was serious, but mine is... I'm going to glue the whole body together in one piece and set it out there. Okay, good luck with that. Yeah.
00:39:42
Torben Rothgeb
I think since I did the Joseph Newgarden one, and that one's yellow and red, I'm going to wait for the Elio Castroneves one that they did announce they're doing. They are doing one? won his fourth one, yes. Yeah, they're going to back take It's black and pink. Oh, what they're going to is Indy 500 winner? Yes. 2021 winner.
00:40:00
Torben Rothgeb
yes from twenty twenty one point oh Yeah. So I might wait for that one. 2022 is, of course, the one you're building, which is that. But the one you're talking about, the four-time winner whatever, that was post-tax evasion?
00:40:15
Torben Rothgeb
Who knows? I don't know. We don't know that. Yeah. Speaking of indie winners, Lucas C. finally, I think, got done with most of his stuff that he needed to do for the Lotus 38.
00:40:28
Torben Rothgeb
And so we're great take it so long Rick has been working on it, just gluing it together. and getting everything together. And so that should be out shortly.
00:40:39
Torben Rothgeb
Oh, okay. they didn't They have not yet set a price. It's 20th scale, right? Yep. It would be a lot. I'd be bracing for $150 to $200 at least. Sure. We'll see. I would love with that. It's classic car. And I said they're going to have a couple different versions that they'll have the Rocket Red...
00:41:00
Torben Rothgeb
That's the 66 car. Yep. And then also the British Racing Green. Right. And then um the SVG, Scott Van Ginsberg Red Bull Camaro is out.
00:41:15
Torben Rothgeb
Unfortunately, he won a race this past weekend at... weekend at Mexico City, but it was not the Red Bull car. Too bad it wasn't a Red Bull car because you can build a winning car. The Red Bull car is a good-looking car. It looks good. that me make Who won Mexico City?
00:41:31
Torben Rothgeb
Scott Van Ginsberg. So he's won two races. He won the Chicago Street Race. He's a road racer in Australia. Yeah, he's from Australia. But, I mean, it's a good-looking car. It almost tempts me to build ah one of those cars. Yeah.
00:41:45
Torben Rothgeb
And then ah Marty Robbins Charger. And this is going to be a club exclusive. So you have to be in the club to get this one. Is this the pink car? It's got a lot of different colors, fluorescent yellow and purple. Oh, okay. So it'll be interesting to see what they mold it and what the decals are. Okay. But it's Marty Robbins Charger.
00:42:07
Torben Rothgeb
think that'll actually do pretty well. yeah Yeah, it might hold some value. long ah'll do lot Because like I said, they're only doing it to club members. Right. So it should. Like you. How many club members left? No, really. It's probably down to 400, 350. There's not a minute. You're a loyal member.
00:42:26
Torben Rothgeb
I am a loyal one, but you know as ah you know one of my strategies is stop buying. I might have to stop buying. Right. And then ah you know the other one that I was kind of a head scratcher because they already did it um They're doing a Budweiser Monte Carlo. The only draw for this kit, it gives you the option of building the Neil Bonnet or the Daryl Waltrip Budweiser a car that they raced in 84.
00:42:53
Torben Rothgeb
So it's a white car. It's got the red roof, but then it's got blue around the bottom, and then it's got the metallic gold, the foil gold numbers. Really? Yeah.
00:43:05
Torben Rothgeb
They did this about a year ago, but they both had it came with the Monte Carlo SS front. This one will give you the regular Monte Carlo flat nose front or the Monte Carlo SS front.
00:43:19
Torben Rothgeb
Because Daryl Walter Moran, the Monte Carlo Budweiser flat nose at Nashville. So wow really I know a lot of information there. um But so you'll have the option to build either the Flatnose or the SS, Neil Bonnet or Darrell Waltrip.
00:43:38
Torben Rothgeb
um And then they said the funny car is just about done, but it's going to be a year away before they get to the molds and putting it out. And then, you know, whatever they have to sign with Ron Capps as far as no price yet.
00:43:54
Torben Rothgeb
No, but I don't think – I think it'll be closer to the NASCAR ones because they said they were really trying to simplify it, even more simple – not that that's simple, but compared to the IndyCar, the next-gen car, even more simple than the next-gen car.
00:44:09
Torben Rothgeb
and it's and And you realize it's a Toyota, right? Yeah. And so you realize that, too, that Toyota is getting out of drive racing. They're spec cars, so they're oh i know very generic.
00:44:22
Torben Rothgeb
So we'll see. Yeah. Basically just stickers. hundred um So and that is ah that is information for Salbinos. You were talking about MPC coming back.
00:44:35
Torben Rothgeb
but Yeah, I think round two is um announced some new kits by MPC. They're rebranding the brand, however you want to put it.
00:44:46
Torben Rothgeb
Because they have actually brought some of this stuff out before, but not in the MPC livery or whatever. Yeah. So, yeah. So, there's um there's a bra blazer that's coming out that looks very similar to, you know, they're they're all over the, what what is the other companies doing?
00:45:06
Torben Rothgeb
So, for example, when you have the Stranger Things thing. Okay. So, they're bringing back some. a blazer, which looks very stranger things ish on the box. I mean, it's a snap kit.
00:45:19
Torben Rothgeb
Okay. So it's, it fits that genre of, cause I think the stranger things kit, some of those are snap kits, but anyway, so they're, they're bringing that out. They're bringing out, um, like I told you that the 72 Jeepster, it looks exactly like the 72 kit that came out. So as a year, twenty you know, 72 or whatever.
00:45:39
Torben Rothgeb
Okay. Um, then they've got, uh, um, Oh, like that it's called the Scorpion. i You're going to pre-order. Rock you like a hurricane!
00:45:52
Torben Rothgeb
Scorpion, not to be confused with the slingshot. Yes. You can only dream of about that. It's a shell rod. It looks just like the kit. but i thought it was and Originally, when I remember the kit, I thought it was an EMT. I don't remember being an NPC. In any event,
00:46:11
Torben Rothgeb
So, I mean, it's what it is. It's it's more more kits that they're going to be bringing out. I mean, they're they're obviously committed to the hobby. yeah You know, they've got Aaron skinning Skinner working there now in the product development. So that'll be interesting to see what he comes up with.
00:46:30
Torben Rothgeb
There's an artist by the name of Jeff Allison who's a really great commercial artist. Has his own style. He's got gotten hired by them. to do some things. So I'm, you know I'm intrigued to see what they come up with because they have some money.
00:46:45
Torben Rothgeb
um They're doing a lot of different things. They're keeping the hobby active and and important, and you know, to them. So we'll see what happens. But, you know.
00:46:56
Torben Rothgeb
I don't know much about the Japanese, Marco, what's coming out new. um the um They had the big show in Japan here recently. Okay. And the interesting thing about the show is that, you know, this was, there's one in the spring, I think, and one in the fall. And the one in the spring is basically they put on they have a huge, like, building and um a lot of the hobby clubs and from Japan put together displays.
00:47:23
Torben Rothgeb
So it's not a contest. It's just space. So you have a large amount of Gundams, large amount of cars, large amount of airplanes, armor, everything. It's really, really interesting. And so I don't know quite what's coming out new. um I don't know. Tammy, I don't think is doing anything shockingly new.
00:47:41
Torben Rothgeb
They're reissuing a few things. They've been reissuing a lot of their cars with cartograph decals now and some photo etch. um I saw that they're bringing back out the Prelude.
00:47:52
Torben Rothgeb
Honda Prelude. Honda Prelude, which is going to have a bunch of – well, no, I mean, it's it's out there. It'll sell. They're going to do some different paint schemes and things. There's a Honda Civic race car they're doing. I give them credit for reinventing themselves with those kits because they do well.
00:48:13
Torben Rothgeb
No, the Prelude, that was pretty popular in the early 90s. Oh, yeah. I mean, you grew up with the muscle cars for high school students. But when I was in high school, I remember – people owning some preludes and being kind of sporty.
00:48:26
Torben Rothgeb
Who are you? Putting their CD players in stuff. Well, like companies like Nunu and B-Max are doing cars, and they're getting a few The Pink Pig Porsche 911 GT3 came out. That was well-received.
00:48:38
Torben Rothgeb
And the one everyone's waiting for is, of course, the Hawaiian Tropic 935 that Paul Newman was part of the team in 1979 and finished second at Le Mans. Leroy probably won. Yeah, he won't be that junk. Yeah, I mean, yeah.
00:48:51
Torben Rothgeb
And that one still is out, which is everyone's hoping for it to be out soon, not because I would buy one of those and go back. So anyway. um All right. So that is new
Feedback and Model Presentation
00:49:02
Torben Rothgeb
releases. Yeah. Turn in Japanese. Bob is turning Japanese. i really think I think I like it. Yeah. um So that leaves us with just our ah question of the month.
00:49:13
Torben Rothgeb
ah Is the best way to receive feedback? Another is, boy, a big month for drama. We had a couple guys in our club, one of our clubs that Bob and I go to. In gym, too. One of the guys. I just keep excluding all the time. Sorry, Jim. I was actually part of the club when it first was found. You probably.
00:49:35
Torben Rothgeb
I was one the original members. But that's okay. You don't need to tell me. I'll use the quote that was at the last meeting. I wasn't invited.
00:49:46
Torben Rothgeb
No, Jim. You were a very valued member of that club. i took it I took one for the team because I sat next to Daryl and did her that night. Yes, you did. so You did. You were in all his wonderful stories. Good old Daryl. Anyway. Anyway.
00:50:04
Torben Rothgeb
um But ah yeah, one of the guys, I was very proud of one of the details that he had added. and And another member was ah you know said, that's kind of a useless detail.
00:50:18
Torben Rothgeb
And ah you know the other guy ah got really worked up. Stood up at the table. ah Yeah. Yeah. I was raising his voice and um It's unfortunate because obviously, you you know, it's a hobby. you want everybody to have fun.
00:50:32
Torben Rothgeb
But then, you know, it's kind of a conundrum as we, ah you know, improve on our craft and want to get better. Some of us do.
00:50:43
Torben Rothgeb
What is the best way to give and receive ah feedback? And I remember one of these... um Self-help guys saying, ah if I could make you a better whatever, would you want me to tell you?
00:50:57
Torben Rothgeb
oh Right. And that was his kind of shtick. And in education, i know in one of our Reader's Writers Workshops, we would have three pluses and a wish. And when other students were reading whatever it was, whether it was a poem, whether it was a short story, um the people listening would come up with three wishes, three things or three pluses that they liked about it, and one wish that they think could make it better.
00:51:26
Torben Rothgeb
You know, and so ah in our hobby, what what is the best way to do that? And I can think of a couple experiences that I've had. um i was, ah you know, with my Bobby Allison Mercury.
00:51:40
Torben Rothgeb
I remember it was at our MSM club. And Bill Reed says, well, that roll cage is really low. It it shouldn't be that low. And my first thing was to get defensive. I was like, what do you know about it? You haven't built a NASCAR for whatever. What are you talking about?
00:51:57
Torben Rothgeb
But then I thought about it. And he was right. And it wasn't too hard to fix it. And so at the end of the day, I appreciated him saying that, even though at first I got kind of defensive. you know um Then another time I think about being at Detroit, and I put my cars out, and I had a couple Richard Petty cars.
00:52:17
Torben Rothgeb
So that was this year? That was this year, yeah. Wow. And I'm putting them out, but then I'm kind of looking at something else. And these these two guys come by. oh boy. They reminded me of the two old guys in the balcony on the Muppet show. Yeah, were yeah, yeah. Frickin' frack.
00:52:31
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. and And one of them is says this to the other, well, you could tell these are different. These weren't built by the same people. First off, I said I built both of them. Yeah. You know, this one looked that he really polished it.
00:52:44
Torben Rothgeb
This one, it would have taken him 20 minutes to polish that. And I wanted to say, fuck you. I polished it for like ah ah probably an hour. an hour or two.
00:52:57
Torben Rothgeb
you know And then I got it home. And just for you know shits and giggles, I thought, well, I'll i'll and ten i'll i'll time it and see if it's to me. So I got into it and I polished it more. Of course, i I rubbed through the the actual paint. course. you know And then broke the back axle off. Yeah.
00:53:14
Torben Rothgeb
This a-hole. Why was I even listening to I'm really listening to this. It is what it is. and you know In the polishing process, you get to a point where it's just if you rub any more, you're gonna rub through the paint. kit You can't go any farther.
00:53:28
Torben Rothgeb
but you know There's a couple examples that I can think of where it's feedback that I i can appreciate and then feedback where I just shouldn't have listened to it. and just you know right but yeah In our club, there's so many good builders.
00:53:44
Torben Rothgeb
I'm always appreciative what someone says about my models, whether it's negative or or it's good. one of but One of our favorite modelers, I brought a sci-fi subject and he he was hilarious.
00:53:55
Torben Rothgeb
He mentioned, so it was, I had some rocks on it and I had some, you know, some kind of a tree trunk and he just like, well, how big is that tree going be really? you know And it was just very subtle, you know, I'm like,
00:54:08
Torben Rothgeb
Okay, went home immediately and took that stuff off. It looked like a redwood. So I'm still reworking the bass because it wasn't even sullent, you know. And this guy never says, and he's comfortable enough with me my friends that he can say this, you know. And it's not like a shiny saber, you know. But, I mean, it's just, you know, it's amazing.
00:54:33
Torben Rothgeb
it's It's really, and in some ways, not that necessary. You're building this for your own edification. yeah you know And if if someone wants to say something to you, great. You know what mean? I just, um because there are, you know, it shows there are modelers who have a big ego.
00:54:50
Torben Rothgeb
No. And they're more than happy to tell you how bad or our average model is or whatever. And you know what? I get something photographed.
00:55:01
Torben Rothgeb
I enjoy building it. I'm fine. It's a win. It's a win. Yeah. You know? Yeah. I think it's, um I think you have to be really careful. mean, that's just my opinion because, um you know, I mean, it's, it's subjective.
00:55:16
Torben Rothgeb
It's totally subjective. You know, some people don't really want you to tell them what you think of the model. No. Yeah. And it's only going to make things worse for you to open your mouth.
00:55:26
Torben Rothgeb
I mean, exactly. um and and And then some people, it's like, they ask you for their opinion, but, you really probably should maybe not give it to them anyway. Right. Or really sugarcoat it. I know in teaching and coaching, you can always be kind. Yeah.
00:55:42
Torben Rothgeb
They talk about, yeah they you know, they talk about, uh, the sandwich, the compliment sandwich, you know, and I really like, uh, the color. Um, I wish you would have polished it a little more, but it's a great car, you know, kind of like, yeah you know, and, and I even think back to, um,
00:56:01
Torben Rothgeb
I remember listening to a a veteran teacher talking to a younger teacher when she was going to call home ah about a student. And she gave her some really good advice as far as report on the behavior, exactly what you saw, what happened without any judgment, right you know.
00:56:21
Torben Rothgeb
um And it's easier said than done sometimes, especially if it's a kid that just drives you up the wall. um But you got to remember that that's everybody's baby when you're calling home. And what does maybe so and Jim made the best point. It's very subjective.
00:56:37
Torben Rothgeb
It's complete. There are cars that I absolutely adore on the table because of the subject matter. And because um and obviously the best models in the show know.
00:56:48
Torben Rothgeb
You know, but they're fat I love the subject matter. I love what it is. And, you know, I've had people, one guy asked me, a very opinionated modeler asked me, how was this model? You know, and I just, I gave him my distinct opinion.
00:57:01
Torben Rothgeb
It happened to be of a tank. And I was like, I said, well, you know, it's a lot of weathering on it. That's my opinion. I said, I said very distinctly, it's my opinion. You know, this is how I wouldn't have done it that way.
00:57:14
Torben Rothgeb
Right. But you know what? That's just me and that's just him. No, you told me about a time where, and I think it was maybe somebody's significant other was asking about why ah her husband didn't get an award.
00:57:27
Torben Rothgeb
And I think you did a pretty good job of showing one of the car that won compared to his. Right. And just going through what were some of the shortcomings of it. Was there flirting in the office?
00:57:42
Torben Rothgeb
no It's not that tiny.
00:57:47
Torben Rothgeb
But that probably is is the best thing to do. You know you have kind of your rubric there. and this is what won. And if you look at the the paint job here and you candlelight it and you can see that there's not any flaws. line. you know but if you look at this one you can see that it's not completely smooth yeah i mean it's a good paint job but it's not smooth right especially when you have people come up on a very confrontational tune oh yeah you know no that never happens it never happens you know like why didn't i win this or why didn't this and it's like well it's all subjective it it and it is it's a form of art and you know we talked about that it's uh
00:58:26
Torben Rothgeb
You know, one of the club members gave me a magazine this past week, and he had written comments on different things, and I had a lot of fun looking at those. And at first, you would look, and he'd written junk, but it wasn't really junk. It was well-built. It just isn't stuff that he likes. right Clearly, he doesn't like European racing stuff because there were some really well-built cars that he wrote junk under.
00:58:52
Torben Rothgeb
And so it is so subjective. Totally subjective. um And we were talking about that as we flipped through magazines that, you know, a lot of these custom paint jobs, um you know, which are are, you know, take skill to do. lot of work.
00:59:06
Torben Rothgeb
A lot of work. And I can appreciate the work. um And it depends on it. There are some that I really like. And there's others that, you know, it's just not my cup of tea. But I won't ah begrudge them winning anything. No, it's fine. you know You know, we're all drawn to different stuff.
00:59:22
Torben Rothgeb
And so you got an NNL, it's going to be, it's going to come down to curb, you know, curbside and what to curb appeal. curb appeal. And that, uh, you know, yep.
00:59:33
Torben Rothgeb
So it's what it is. But, uh, you know, I think it like everything else in life, be kind, be objective. Um, I feel like online they talk about, ah you know, I almost feel like online when they post a picture, then usually the person has to invite them to critique it.
00:59:53
Torben Rothgeb
you know so yeah And you'll see that with like, please tell me honestly what you think of it or how can I improve it? you know and I think it's almost, I feel like courtesy ah that somebody invites them.
01:00:08
Torben Rothgeb
If somebody puts out a picture critique it, it's just kind of, you're going upset somebody. And like you guys said, kindness is the best way to deal with it. And if people truly want to know people's opinions, then they'll invite them to please tell me what I could do better on this. And we live in a really good time that you can watch so many things on YouTube and different things available.
01:00:35
Torben Rothgeb
that if you're really wanting to improve your building, um you can you can look and see other stuff. and Trial and error. and but i But I still stand by the subjective part of it, though, because there's stuff on YouTube that's absolute garbage.
01:00:51
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, I mean, you got to... And it's really bad. And you just have to turn the channel. I mean, you just suck right move along and find something that's maybe a little more accurate. But I mean...
01:01:04
Torben Rothgeb
it's It's, you know, everything everything's out there. so It's the same in any genre of modeling. I get buddies of mine that do military models. There's guys like Night Shift, Plasmo modelers.
01:01:16
Torben Rothgeb
They have a specific style. And it's like, we have great models here in town, a specific style. You either like that style or you don't. yeah And you can, you can you if you don't like it, that's fine.
01:01:27
Torben Rothgeb
It doesn't matter. Well, I mean, I'll fall back on one of my favorite criticisms. was, you know and and you know, one thing on a model can change the entire model, the the opinion of what you think the model is. You know, this particular model was a Bugatti, and the gentleman, you know, had ah had a base, and he put this figure on the base, ah and it would look like Shaq.
01:01:56
Torben Rothgeb
And... Literally, the size of this thing was like way too big for the car. I mean, and the car was not a big car, but this person was like, good Lord. i didn't know Jack owned a Bugatti 35B, you know. But, yeah, so you know, you have to be careful.
01:02:12
Torben Rothgeb
and you know, it's like weathering or yep any of that all that stuff. It's all you got to be careful because too much is it's easy to go far too far, you know. And I think 99% of the time it happens.
01:02:25
Torben Rothgeb
Right. yeah Although weathering is hard because I tell you, i was coming home on bike ride today. You're weather machine there. you know um Yes, that was a white elephant. ah they're They're commenting on this Ecto-1 that I weathered. It was a white elephant, and I just threw the kitchen sink at it. But if you've seen that, it's the last Ghostbusters movie. It is really weathered.
01:02:51
Torben Rothgeb
And you could argue that the people who created the car over weathered it for the movie. Oh, okay. But I kind of went straight off of what was on the movie. um but There you go.
01:03:02
Torben Rothgeb
But I was riding home today and you know, living in Minnesota with a lot of salt on the roads. I saw this damn car and it it was like a Durango, probably 98 car.
01:03:16
Torben Rothgeb
um So it's about 27 years old. This damn thing was completely rusted. everywhere. And if you walked, if you saw that on the table, you'd say, oh, they overdid it. and know i know Weathering is kind of tough because there is.
Weathering and Artistic Challenges
01:03:30
Torben Rothgeb
right i remember you were ah really upset that somebody had weathered the roof. And I remember going to the um Pantowners show and seeing a car that was rusted on the roof. yeahp yeah So so it is know it is really hard. and so But you still to be careful though, because it's easy to do it.
01:03:48
Torben Rothgeb
And you know you want you want people to be drawn to the model. But if it's done poorly, that's not why you want them to see it. Right. Yeah. And it is interesting ah because it it just there are some things that just pass the eye test and others that don't.
01:04:04
Torben Rothgeb
Right. that That's tricky. Yeah. Very true. yeah For whatever reason. um It just, and I don't, I'm far from an expert on weathering, but there are some that you look at and, wow, that's awesome. And then there's others just like, oh, there's something that doesn't, that looks off that. That's the thing, it just passes the eye test.
01:04:21
Torben Rothgeb
And then you go to Chernobyl, wow, look at that. yeah And so anyway, it's, you know, What do we got left? my goodness. This is a good one. Well, we are down to the Super Six.
01:04:34
Torben Rothgeb
So we have our six favorite ah racing paint schemes. Ooh, fun. So we'll probably – why don't we go one at a time? Because otherwise, if somebody goes first and comes up with six, it might steal other people's. All right. You go ahead, Turb.
01:04:53
Torben Rothgeb
ah Okay, I'll go ahead. is this in no particular order, right? Nope, just six of your favorite ones. um I'll probably go with the golf scheme I've always loved. the blue and the orange. We can repeat the others. Well, let's let's try to go as long as we can without repeating. It's going to be tough with that. like I think you can do it. i mean Because that's an iconic scheme.
01:05:20
Torben Rothgeb
yeah right but mean You have to look at how how it's actually portrayed and how the longevity of it and stuff. i mean i Personally, like the first thing that came to my mind was American Motors with the red, white, and blue scheme on the you know, all their stuff, whether it was Javelin, whatever. It was just, it was ah scheme that you could recognize right away. who's Who's the sponsor? And, you know, but then you could roll into, and I don't want to roll into another one of the favorites, but the, the Brie Dotson thing. i mean, it's the same kind of a thing. Same kind of thing.
01:06:05
Torben Rothgeb
you know you just recognize it right away right away like it's great you love it and so so for me it would be the classic nationality cars back in the late 50s or 60s to me a classic is the lotuses that were british racing green with the yellow stripe that's just yeah it's got me right off simplicity simplicity but so good looking classic classic yeah classic All right. Well, I'll stay with green. I really always loved the Gatorade paint schemes.
01:06:34
Torben Rothgeb
Oh, okay. Especially since it was one of the first non-really car type things sponsors. um But the Gatorade that started with Daryl Waltrip cars of Die Guard, the 88 car, is about a 10-year span.
01:06:49
Torben Rothgeb
Just about every Chevy racing car from that, I think, about It was 75, 74 to about 84 was the last Gatorade scheme. They had Rusty Wallace's rookie car with a Gator car. And you're talking about simple, but really cool with the orange lightning bolt going through there. It's great looking.
01:07:12
Torben Rothgeb
I'll go back to the 60s again with the Trans Am series. I think there was a lot of really great. paint schemes and that, you know, late sixties era, early seventies, you know, the Mustangs, the challenger, you know, all the AR, you know, Dan Gurney, Sam Posey, the, the yellow Mustangs, the former car, the, you know, car but then you go into the Donahue era with the Camaros and that, you know, all that stuff. It's just,
01:07:49
Torben Rothgeb
You know, it was so popular. And it's one of those, if you go back and read the story about the whole series, you know, they had the best drivers and they had the best teams. And it was just, it was a moment in time that just came and went. and Well, you talk about something where the model companies have really dropped the ball. And unfortunately, I feel like they've really drop the ball on those Trans Am kits. Especially the Revelle monogram because they had all the bodies to do that.
01:08:20
Torben Rothgeb
And they could have just done, just put some real wheel flares, a generic roll cage, even if it's half-assed, but they could have come up with a lot of those cars. Andy could come off as, you know, high horse and do that Mustang. He's got it all the time. He would sell some.
01:08:40
Torben Rothgeb
I know. Hint, hint. and So mine would be the, again, I'm sticking with Lotus. By the late 70s, he had the gold leaf cars, the black cars with the gold.
01:08:51
Torben Rothgeb
John Player special cars. Those are just gorgeous cars. Yeah. You know, so you're number three, my man. All right. ah Well, I would have to go with the the Wood Brothers cars of the 70s and 80s and the Candy Apple Red and the White.
01:09:11
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. With the gold numbers. Cool. What do you got, Hanson? Well, I'm going to go back into the drag racing history books or whatever, because they were trying to get people to enlist in the Army and the Navy, the Air Force.
01:09:28
Torben Rothgeb
They had a series of cars that were sponsored by, you know, Selective Services. United States Army, whatever. Anyway, so the Army, Vega, and Cuda and those were extremely popular, you know, um and Don Perdom was extremely successful at the time, basically unbeatable.
01:09:49
Torben Rothgeb
And then you put the snake with that paint scheme. Right. So those those are really, those are iconic. You know, i think a lot of with racing, there's a lot of iconic paint schemes that, you know, you could talk about, yeah, you know, the number three, Dale Earnhardt, you know, whatever it would be.
01:10:08
Torben Rothgeb
what Good Ranch slash, right you know. Exactly. Watching that documentary was really interesting because of the whole sponsors, the whole Wrangler thing and how that whole thing came about with but Dale and yeah and all that. It's just.
01:10:26
Torben Rothgeb
I liked how they had a Hollywood actor come to look like a cowboy. yeah They're like, well, why do you need that? We don't need that. We got somebody right here. What streaming sound was that It's on Amazon Prime.
01:10:37
Torben Rothgeb
Sorry. I know you don't have that. so and So my third one would probably be
01:10:46
Torben Rothgeb
probably Martini sponsored a lot of great cars from Porsches to Lancias to another junk, but I mean, you the European sponsored stuff, but the the the bright red and blue, you know, scallops, they were, they were just gorgeous cars.
01:11:01
Torben Rothgeb
The Martini sponsor. That's my third one. Okay. Okay. um Well, you've had red, white, and blue, and you've had iconic drag racing. I'm going to combine those and and give you the Sox and Martin ah paint schemes. for Those are really cool.
01:11:18
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, I think um in that same era, I think the – the Coca-Cola sponsor too, with, with regard to some of the different teams that they sponsored. Cause know, at that time that stuff was not, um, licensing wasn't that expensive.
01:11:34
Torben Rothgeb
So they were putting them on everything to get their name out. And I think that's always interesting when you, it evolves into something that's a, you know, phenomenon and now it's come full circle where you don't even see it anymore on, on race cars. Same with like,
01:11:51
Torben Rothgeb
tobacco sponsorships or, alcohol sponsorships. You just don't see that anymore. It used to be, if you had a sponsor like that, you were set for life and those was just, those just don't happen anymore.
01:12:04
Torben Rothgeb
So you have to come up with a, something out of the box that no one's ever seen before. So, um, but anyway, so yeah, no, it's my fourth one would probably be I always love the early sixties Indy cars and probably my favorite one would probably be the, uh,
01:12:20
Torben Rothgeb
Parnelli's car from 62 and 63 and 64, the Roadster he had, well, not 64, but one, two, and three with a Wheeler battery special with ah the blue nose and the big scallops that went down the side, of the stripes that went down the side of the car. And it was a, it was a pearl white and it was just a beautiful car.
01:12:39
Torben Rothgeb
That was one of my favorites. So, Well, I would be remiss if I did not mention ah the Rocket Red and Petty Blue. Okay. Of course. That was, you know, iconic paint schemes.
01:12:55
Torben Rothgeb
And I think if I had to pick one, ah you know, because they they messed around with that so much, I'd say I liked the 84-200 wind car. I thought that with the chrome wheels was the right combination.
01:13:08
Torben Rothgeb
Okay. Okay.
01:13:11
Torben Rothgeb
Are we still going? Yep. You're number five.
01:13:15
Torben Rothgeb
I'm running out of ideas. I've kind of covered the gamut, but um no, I don't know. I think you've you've touched on some of the Indy car paint jobs.
01:13:26
Torben Rothgeb
um Obviously, if I was going to pick one, i would probably have to go with, you know, Jimmy Clark. Um, significant you know win or whatever it was was one of my favorites um another one that would be the dan gurney uh you know mark mark four or whatever oh god that's great um yeah it just they're all you you recognize them just by you know the color and the number you don't have to look at anything else yeah um but yeah no i think it's uh
01:14:01
Torben Rothgeb
like you said, people get people get their name on something and it's it's a licensing for life kind of a thing. you know so you know I mean, this might be a simple one, but it's...
01:14:14
Torben Rothgeb
the McLarens that sent on Prostro, the Marlboro sponsorship was white with that fluorescent red on
Iconic Car Designs and Sponsorships
01:14:20
Torben Rothgeb
in the car. it was just like, you knew what that car was right away. Cause even Fittipaldi drove that, that Marlboro sponsored car at the 500, you know, and it's just that sponsorship, that paint scheme was so significant, you know, so.
01:14:33
Torben Rothgeb
Well, bringing up McLaren, have to go with the papaya more of a color than a paint scheme. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a great color. mean, the way those cars are running right now, you know, right away whose car it is. You know, it's what card is, right. Even if they smash into the teammate. which say Yeah.
01:14:50
Torben Rothgeb
Priceless. Yeah. What do you got one for? Well, you know, I would say that just, you know, not that I'm looking at the Ecto one, but I think there are certain things that simplicity is, is important. And I think it, it helps, you know,
01:15:08
Torben Rothgeb
with, ah you know, the market, whatever the car might be or whatever. um I don't know. It's, I'm running out of steam. Okay. So I can't really, you know, because you could just go on and on.
01:15:21
Torben Rothgeb
You could go on and You know, the the wing cars, obviously. oh yeah. um Yeah. Yeah. You know, any of the day gold paint schemes. Oh, sure. The turbine cars. Yeah, the turbine car was, you know, was very famous.
01:15:34
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. But yeah, no, I think it's, you know, whatever, whatever is your favorite or whatever. So. I mean, my last one would have to be more contemporary. And I think it's, I think the Red Bull cars look great.
01:15:48
Torben Rothgeb
You know, the, the, the, not when they were a flat so much, but when they were glossier, you know, and that, the, the, the bright metallic blue with the, with the Red Bull on it, it's it's a great looking scheme.
01:16:00
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. Yeah. Great question, Torben. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, ah thank you, guys.
Conclusion and Farewell
01:16:08
Torben Rothgeb
and comments yeah now ah Thank you for listening to the Tiny Car Podcast, where we don't have an outro, but the gong is our outro, and we look forward to talking to you real soon.
01:16:20
Torben Rothgeb
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