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Tiny Car Podcast episode 5
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Torben and Bob talk about the latest events and happenings in the hobby. They talk about their club events and Bob reviews the Salvinos Indy kit.
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Return and Model Car Discussions
00:00:04
Torben Rothgeb
tiny car podcast roth gib and my child maderich coming continue live from the lake creek studios in beautiful minneapolis the coolest city in the world All right, well hello out there it has been way too long since we've done a podcast but it's a good Good to be back talking model cars. How you doing, Bob? I am doing good It's been too long and I heard the last one you had mr. King of gloss gloss Yes, John's Webber, fresh off his wind from Nationals. He was, yes. Beautiful Cobra, yeah Daytona Coupe, is that what they call that? Yes, and we talked a lot of the the just the odds and ends of of doing his 2K and then the polishing. And now that we have our Facebook page up and running, I will post the pictures that he left ah with
00:01:02
Torben Rothgeb
with all the ah great materials that he uses to achieve such a beautiful finish.
Club Activities and Themed Events
00:01:10
Torben Rothgeb
Well, we had a lot of club stuff going on recently. um you know Again, Bob and I are in three different clubs, MSM, MCCM and RPM.
00:01:20
Torben Rothgeb
And RPM, we had to vote on our themes for next year. So we came up with six possible choices. We had five alive, which was anything with the model year five in it.
00:01:35
Torben Rothgeb
And or since we are a racing club, there's ah also any number five if you want to do a race car. We had the Dia de de day Los Martos, easy for me to say, um basically Day of the Dead. And for that one,
00:01:53
Torben Rothgeb
You know, the holiday celebrates lost ah relatives and and people that you care about. So ah you could do anything of you know that was inspired by any of our ah former club members that have passed away
Torben Challenge and Project Voting
00:02:08
Torben Rothgeb
recently. and Unfortunately, we've had too many of those. ah Or you could also do drivers that have passed away.
00:02:14
Torben Rothgeb
um We had obscure companies, so any kit that was made from something other than Tamiya or AMT or Rebel or any of the main companies.
00:02:29
Torben Rothgeb
um Then we have what we call the Torben Challenge and I did not put my name on that but somehow over the years my name got put on it because I came up with the first idea of it and it basically is just a stalled project challenge where everybody brings three stalled projects and club members vote on those and whichever of your stalled project gets the most votes then you're supposed to build for the contest. And then we had trucks, trailers and tailgates.
00:02:59
Torben Rothgeb
um And so, shockingly, I was surprised that five alive won. So, again, any model year with a five in it. Now, ah Bob, do you have anything that you think you might build for this?
Model Building Themes and Ideas
00:03:14
Torben Rothgeb
Well, I've got a couple things. One is a driver, number five, that's Nigel Mansell. So, I've got one of his Williams FW11 Formula One cars. I might do that.
00:03:25
Torben Rothgeb
And next year, I plan to do some more 43rd scale Formula One cars. So I was going to do Michael Schumacher's B195, which is the car I drove, of course, in 1995. So that would be my two choices. You know, at one time, I did entertain doing the Jeff Bodine Levi Garrett number five Aero Cooper. It was a real cool paint scheme. You know how much I like yellow, San Diego Pod, right? Yes. One of my favorite teams.
00:03:55
Torben Rothgeb
But over the years, it's one of those things that have just, so many other things
White Elephant Event and Triple Crown Awards
00:04:00
Torben Rothgeb
have come up. I don't know if I'll ever get to it in spite of having the decals for it. And then I thought about a Terry Labani number five car. The Kellogg's car is cool. ah Yeah, and I built the Kellogg's one. If I did a Labani one, I'd either do the corny one or the Iron Man, the silver one that he won. I think it was a 600 win, or 600 consecutive start, I think.
00:04:24
Torben Rothgeb
Okay. But no, I think it's one of those things where I wanted to kill two birds, actually three birds with one stone, if that's possible. That's possible. It would have to be an awful small bird or, yeah, to get- With a big stone. With a big stone, yes. Yes, absolutely.
00:04:41
Torben Rothgeb
um But in our other club, the MCCM club,
Clear-Coating Challenges and Decisions
00:04:46
Torben Rothgeb
we have ah shoeboxes, right? and Or is it 55 through 57? 57 Heaven.
00:04:55
Torben Rothgeb
fifty seven heaven yes Anything that's was done in 57. So there's quite a few Oh, it has to be 57. All right, well, it will only kill two birds. Only kill two birds, right? It's still going to be alive. And for that one, I know I've got the 57 Ford, the farewell Roberts car, and there's quite a few different cars you could, NASCAR's you could make out of that kit.
00:05:16
Torben Rothgeb
Yes, that is true. Well, I was going to do, I was thinking the 55 Chevy would cover that. That would be a good one. Well, but if it's got to be 57. It's got to be 57. So then that won't cover the MCCL. But you could do a 55 for the five and alive one. Yes, that's what I plan on doing. And i've over the years, John and I have collected a lot of, and we talked about that with our Indy one last yeah last episode, is the Indy pace car. So I've always had a soft spot for that.
00:05:44
Torben Rothgeb
And so ah the 55 Chevy in-case car is probably what I'm going to go with, even though I'm not killing free birds with limestone.
Triple Crown Challenge and Raffle Plans
00:05:54
Torben Rothgeb
And one of these days, i well, i I built the Mustang pace car and I have ah the 78 Corvette almost done. So I have built a few pace cars, but I certainly have some more that I'd like to do. So I'm going to do that 55 Chevy.
00:06:09
Torben Rothgeb
Now, rumor has it that we are also for our other challenge, because we normally have two challenges. Hence, we rolled out a Triple Crown Award for our club members who do both yeah both the challenges and their white elephant, ah which is also coming up, which is you get a gift. And if you build the kit that you get for a gift, then that's a Triple Crown. And I don't know how many of those Triple Crown winners we're going to have. We've got three so far.
00:06:37
Torben Rothgeb
So, but we're going to have a raffle for that at our RPM club too.
Project Discipline and Balancing Builds
00:06:42
Torben Rothgeb
So there's that. um But the other challenge is the Torbin challenge and the stall project ones. And so now you are such a disciplined builder. I don't even know if you have three stall projects. Well, it's kind of like what I would, you know, the sad part is what I'd probably do is I'd bring things that I'm probably going to build anyway.
00:07:07
Torben Rothgeb
which I want to participate, but they're, you know, I've probably been a couple, you know, 43rd skill Formula me One cars. I also love pickups. I'm trying to do two pickups next year. Maybe I'll bring a pickup. Yeah. So, but I do, I do not have, I have it. The only thing I'm not disciplined on, I've got about seven or eight pieces of armor.
00:07:29
Torben Rothgeb
that have started but never finished. okay so But cars I'm pretty straight forward with. I started and I want to finish them. Well now ah Tom Finch was able to add a thing and reminded me of it too ah with the ah also outside of stalled projects.
00:07:48
Torben Rothgeb
um You could also have kits that scare scare you to death as well yeah So kits that you've had on your shelf for a long time, but have been too scared to build yeah um So if you don't have now for me, it would take a lot to narrow it down to stall projects. I have probably i was I was telling my brothers the other day, I was thinking, if I just built stalled projects, I might still have a lifetime supply chain. Just stalled projects, not having to buy another kit and and getting rid of all my sealed ones and just finishing up my stalled projects with my remaining days. Well, we have ah another guy in one of the clubs who's a sweet man, but he
00:08:32
Torben Rothgeb
He has 137 soul projects and I was like, good my lord. is I don't feel so bad. know that's That's a lot. When it's funny, with you know the new year coming up, then you you may have all these new year's resolutions and stuff like this. And I'm going to get back to the gym and do all this other stuff and finally get my book written and stuff like that. and But then you start thinking plastic wise. But I'm like, well, wait a minute.
Bobby Allison's Career Highlights
00:08:58
Torben Rothgeb
I have about, I have one car 95% done. I have a couple 60% done. i And so um I really should just stay
00:09:10
Torben Rothgeb
stay focused on those rather than come up with all these new year's resolutions and and new things that I want to build. I would do that. The one exception one is that 55 Chevy, which I built before when I first started building as an adult. Is this the convertible one? The convertible one. It's a beautiful kit. Yeah, it's a really nice kit. And the decals are pretty small. So even though they're old, I don't think they're going to be that bad. And then I think Fred Cady even did all of those decals too.
00:09:43
Torben Rothgeb
and so but the pace car things i think he did yeah yeah so if worse comes to worst i could locate some of those as well um and so then yeah speaking of the white elephant uh you know our i don't know how many other clubs out there do that but basically you wrap up a kit And in spite of it being called a white elephant, you you want it to be a decent kit. um You know, it would be at least be valued between $20 or $30, hopefully sealed. And so then you bring it, and whoever built their kits from last year get a higher number. But then you you pick your numbers, you open a present, and then somebody can either steal your open present or open up a wrapped one.
00:10:31
Torben Rothgeb
um and then if yours gets stolen you have to open up a wrapped one and um But not like I said if you there's an advantage if you built yours the year before Then you get you get a higher number and less likely of getting yours stolen I think of the six Cubs in town four of them have white elephants. Mm-hmm. I know RPM does TCH does MSM does And what else? OMG does as well, too. So they're kind of a southern version of MSM in the southern part of the of the city. But they have one as well. So yeah, there's four of them ah do that. It's fun. It's always fun. Oh, I remember the first time I went to the RPM one, I was just amazed because it was like I had. her And i I was lucky enough, even though it was my first one and I didn't have the last of oh ah high number.
00:11:28
Torben Rothgeb
I did get a pretty high number anyway and so looking around the room and thinking of all these kits and you know not just having the kit but a reason to build it is what we need for a lot of these things.
00:11:41
Torben Rothgeb
So now I went out on a ledge today. I was clear-coating stuff. And of course, I ended up with too much clear. I looked in the cup, and there's still a bunch left. And the way this 2K stuff works, it doesn't last. You can't put it away oh okay once you put that activator in. whatever and whos done yeah it has a very short shelf life. okay So then I'm looking around my room and I built this ah Mark Martin Folgers car for the
00:12:14
Torben Rothgeb
for the white elephant the year before. I'm really impressed it had a $2
Philosophy of Model Building
00:12:18
Torben Rothgeb
.99 price tag on it. Somebody paid $2.99. Probably even talked him down to $1. But anyway, I knew as a kid I could build and enjoy. And I've been wanting to build them a Mark Martin kid anyway. So I got it and I built it. But one of the problems I did, and I should know better, is I I was thinking I'm going to paint it ah like the Wood Brothers MCW paint. you know It's kind of a darker metallic for that Folgers car that Martin drove in I believe 90 and 91 maybe.
00:12:54
Torben Rothgeb
um And so ah I thought, well, the car's already molded in that maroon-ish color. And I thought, well, in this way, if I polish. Is this the Solvino's kit? No, it was a it was a monogram kit. OK. But I did use power slide decals. But it was molded in the maroon. And and it was that era where they they wanted people to just build without having to paint, maybe.
00:13:21
Torben Rothgeb
And so I was thinking, well, that way, if I polish through the color code, it won't show through, you know rather than if I primed it. But for some reason, and then I cleared it with the XG100 mixed with the Mr. Hobby self-leveling thinner. But it just kept, even though it looked glossy, it kept getting duller and duller and duller, and I think it was just that original plastic coming back through. So um even after I polished it and waxed it, and you know it just didn't look bright enough.
00:13:58
Torben Rothgeb
So as I'm getting done with the cars, I was clear-coating. I was clear-coating my Indy car, my Joseph Newgarden one, and a petty car, and then another petty car that didn't have any decals on. And I'm thinking, I still have this clear. And I looked up, and I was like, I was never happy with that Folgers car. So screw it. I'm going to pop the windows out of it. I'm going to take it off the chassis, pop the windows off of it, and clear over the decals. And so I have that to going.
00:14:28
Torben Rothgeb
It did get a little bit of orange peel. Just a little, just a little. But the nice thing with the 2K, you can polish it out. We'll see. You know, you remember looking at a 71 Mustang that I did, and it had orange peel at the start of it. Wow. And I was able to polish it out and get it. It looks great. I mean, look great. That is one of the things I like about the 2K.
00:14:51
Torben Rothgeb
is that um you can polish it pretty deep. and It still keeps
Tribute to Modelers and Community Impact
00:14:56
Torben Rothgeb
its gloss. And you I, at least, not so far. Now, this might be it. but But again, I guess the advantage of still never priming this thing was that it's maroon. So even if I cut through it, the plastic maroon.
00:15:11
Torben Rothgeb
So it won't be as if if I cut through the color code, right but I am going to have to go pretty deep with the 2500. You're going to have to hit it with some main paper. yeah here If I want to get my white elephant done, or you know, it it's done. It just looks like a craft. That would be okay. It has to look great. Don't worry about it. There have been guys that have finished their white elephants and never painted them. yes There's been a couple of those. We got some bling for the Triple Crown winners too. It was the best gold and diamonds that the Oriental Trading Company offers for $8.
00:15:49
Torben Rothgeb
And so like I ordered a bunch of those necklaces. And hopefully we'll get a good picture talking about with with everybody with their triple crown winners. okay So far we do we got Jim Allen, we got Eric Gazeble, and we have you. And then I polished that Folgers car out. You got it. on there And so we'll we'll have four. And we're raffling off. I have that Porsche 356. Oh, the Fujimi enthusiast kit. Yes. Beautiful kit. Beautiful kit. So it'll be a nice kit that someone gets for being a triple crown winner. All right. you know Because it's building a lot of stuff for the club, which yeah you know is is an achievement in itself. It so is. So we got that coming up. We have two white elephants in the MSM club as well. Right.
00:16:36
Torben Rothgeb
You know and I think I'm gonna use I took a lot of flack last year because I brought my own kit But there are a lot of people that um That don't bring cars in that club and I and I you know, I I should be a little bit more open-minded, but I'm sorry. I just armor armor just does does not do it I know i know you do I'm bringing a car this time. So case you get it, you know, well what I'm gonna do this time is I am I'm gonna bring an accurate miniatures Corvette. And nobody will steal that. um But I've been looking for a reason to build that for a long time. And that was one when I first got back into model building. yeah My brother was working at Hobby Co. and he would bring these scratch and dent cars and get really good prices ah for them. And he brought me that home. And I opened up the box. And at that time, just being back in the hobby,
00:17:33
Torben Rothgeb
like whoa this is way over my head and i think it was one of those i glued the engine block together and put it away a couple other things right never ever got back to it yeah it's it's a complicated yes it does look very cool and i want to do that version that has the kind of nasa blue silver blue and then it has like a red, white and blue, small pinstripes going down the middle. I don't know exactly who drove it, but it's the of coolest looking one, I think. It's it's a nice looking car. Yeah. Yeah. Too bad accurate managers did not keep going because they had they already did some cool projects going. I built a couple of their airplanes and the airplanes were really nice. um Sometimes, you know, friends of mine who are in the hobby will talk about a company will have the A team or the B team on something.
00:18:26
Torben Rothgeb
ah with the C team.
Club Activities and Community Creativity
00:18:28
Torben Rothgeb
yep And their airplanes definitely had they had the A team on their airplanes. Really, really nice. I built a couple. And the cars, that they left a guy, Tom West was a guy who did a lot of that the designs of it. They let the guys go wild. I mean, the McLaren and the Corvette are super detailed.
00:18:49
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. and Well, if we do have the Torben Challenge, and I'm going to do it more for cars, kits that kind of scare me, because I think then I'll also do the Accurate Miniatures McLaren. Oh, good Lord. Because I mean, I have been wanting to build a McLaren for years and years and years and years and years. And I have just about all of them that were kitted out. I have the big Tamiah one. I have the ah both MPC ones.
00:19:19
Torben Rothgeb
And so, uh, and then the acrobatics I got from you with the photo etch kit. So, um, and the paint. You're all set to go. i pay this dig in and So I might, uh, I might, and I might leave it up to champs. Cause if I bring it, uh, you know, maybe some people would just want to see me, uh, go through the misery and get some shot in Freud. Well, you work you got a couple of options on that kid. I've seen people build two of them. What they'll do is they'll build one and just seal it up.
00:19:48
Torben Rothgeb
And then you've got the look of the really cool K&M car. And then on the second one they build, they leave the back end off. And then they put all the holes in and wiring and everything in it and stuff. You know, cause it was really, it's hard to button it up. You know, so yeah, you say, yeah, I mean, you probably don't want to do two, but I mean, you know, a couple of guys in the club would build them.
00:20:10
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. so No, it looks good. And, you know, not go down the rabbit hole of the details and this and that. I mean, I think that the older we get, the more ridiculous some of that seems. It does. I mean, even from a contest, thing even from a national summit, how many people look at the underside? How much of it is the actual one-to-one accuracy? Right. I mean, ah no, don't get me wrong. I'm not telling you to screw up a bunch of stuff and and do whatever. But at the same time, Some of the things that have ah forever held us back as far as, oh, I don't want to screw this up and I don't want to get there. At some point you got to land the plane and you know, it's all about having fun. So don't let that get in the way. Don't let perfectionism get in the way. You'll never build anything then.
00:20:58
Torben Rothgeb
No, no, you won't. And i I can think of some oh i club members that build very few kits right and they're obsessed about different things. And then it's funny, sometimes they'll even ask me about And I'll just be like, I just you know picked what I thought it would look like underneath and went with it. you know i I didn't actually call up Junior Johnson's nephew and talk about if he had any blueprints of how he did his exhaust, though no no whatever else not stuff and stuff. It's only a model. It is. you know It is. Absolutely. Well, and the the McLaren reminds me of the article that it was at Andy.
00:21:40
Torben Rothgeb
Kellogg. Is that how I want to say is right? Because unfortunately, I heard from John's Weber that he passed away. Oh, I didn't know that, okay. So I was really, because he's a a pretty young guy. Wow. He took over ah for Drew Highwater on a bench racer. A bench racer, and he did a lot of stuff. He built, well, I think Drew built one too. He built one of the McLarens and was um i had a difficult time with it.
00:22:07
Torben Rothgeb
And I think Andy built one and then he... He modified the other one to make it an A to A. He went back a year. Yes. So it didn't have the big wing on it. Okay. So he made an A to A out of it. And that was from an article in motor racing replicas. They did that. Mike Quarterman showed how to do that. And so, yeah, it was...
00:22:29
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, you could do it. Yeah, if you hear anything in the background, my dog is chewing something. We don't know what it is. We don't know. Hopefully it's not poison. Right. um But no, no, and it's really sad to hear that because he built a lot of the stuff that I always wanted to build, you know, not just the McLarens, the Trans the white one and from 70. Yeah.
00:23:00
Torben Rothgeb
yeah And then even some NASCAR's, when Model King reissued ah the Laguna and the 72 Monte Carlo, um he built to both a Bobby Allison and a Kale Yarborough. So um certainly condolences out to his his family. I know John was was really sad. I ran into him at the dungeon um and and talked about how sweet his his family and his wife and
Model Kits and Personal Stories
00:23:26
Torben Rothgeb
and was. almost just really Because he was out there for the California show was after up through the internet West and that's where you go. Yeah
00:23:36
Torben Rothgeb
And then unfortunately, ah speaking of people who passed away, Bobby Allison, we lost one of the by far the most talented drivers. Certainly was you know very opinionated and stubborn at times as far as maybe not necessarily ah thought he was the smartest guy in the room, but he certainly thought he knew how to set up his own car for racing the best.
00:24:05
Torben Rothgeb
And sometimes that clashed with some really good ah situations that he had for as far as owners. I remember an article in Sports Illustrated where um Junior Johnson had said if Bobby Allison stayed with him, he'd have 200 wins and not Richard Petty.
00:24:24
Torben Rothgeb
uh... because uh... you know they really dominated in seventy-two but then uh... you know typical bobbie alison fashion just decided that he wanted to to kind of go back and and i do stuff his own way and uh... you know he uh... he uh... but there's no uh... absolutely uh... no debating how talented he was as far as uh...
00:24:51
Torben Rothgeb
and what he achieved. He had 85 wins. um and One championship. One championship, yep. Came close a lot of different times, you know. ah But, you know, ah just a lot of times where he was in a good situation, um i had ah Harry Renier's son was on and he was talking about the 81 year where ah Bobby Allison had like a 200 three hundred point lead under a wall trip uh... but then got in his mind that he wanted uh... a different uh... i think don't quote me on it but i think he had a rear steer and he wanted them to build a front steer ah car and if i'm wrong it's the other way around anyway he wanted to uh... switch that uh... which basically is on what side of the front wheels that the
00:25:45
Torben Rothgeb
I don't know, something the steering box maybe is on. And so that was a big enough thing that he got hung up with that they, well, we'll build you this, but we have a 300 point lead and we're winning races, why switch it up? right And that was enough for them to have some hard feelings and then um kind of, ah you know, that the rest of the season kind of went downhill and Waltrip ended up catching him and and winning the championship that year.
00:26:10
Torben Rothgeb
You know, another time after he'd won the championship with Die Guard, he was not too happy that Die Guard was building engines for other people. And then that kind of, you know, a lot of different things like that, um you know, and I know with Junior and Bobby Allison, where you could see two really hard-headed people would would eventually clash, um that he would, Bobby Allison mentioned that he wanted to talk to Junior and junior said don't talk to me talk to the crew chief or something like that and and that you know so eventually that relationship went south and so but a lot of great bobby allison cars out there if you want to build ah build some he he started racing for homing and moody so there's a
00:27:00
Torben Rothgeb
would be ah the like the Dick Hutcherson looking car, if he wanted to build ah the golden white Ford. Then he went and raced for the Dodge team, so then he had a Charger 500 with a blue and gold, and then then he picked up the Coke sponsorship ye and actually drew high water, I believe, built a built up ah from a Dukes of Hazzard car.
00:27:23
Torben Rothgeb
Then the next year he had a Dodge Daytona um that was red and gold and then the Dodge Charger as well, a 70 Dodge Charger that they drove on the shorter tracks because they didn't do the wing cars on there. Then in 71 he bought his own Dodge Charger, I think for like four or five thousand dollars, but blew an engine pretty early on.
00:27:44
Torben Rothgeb
and then ended up driving with Ralph Moody, was no longer with home in a movie, I think, and um drove a Mercury W nose, which I have to be currently working on. It's a resin kit that goes over the floor. And you've built a bunch of these cars already. Yes, yep.
00:28:03
Torben Rothgeb
Then 72, we did a Monte Carlo with Junior Johnson. And then again, that fizzler went back and drive ah drove on his own. He drove a Cheville, a 73 Cheville, a 74 Cheville. And then um it's really amazing how long this guy has been in. But then 74 was kind of not going right driving on his own.
00:28:23
Torben Rothgeb
he yeah Roger Penske was getting involved in NASCAR and he got on board with Roger Penske who's won the last three NASCAR championships and kind of started with ah Bobby Allison even though there are a couple other open wheel drivers that drove the Matador before and actually Mark Donahue won the first race for Penske. But then Bobby Allison took over and became the main driver ah for 74, 75, 76, won the Southern 500. But then I think Penske went to Mercury and then ah
00:29:07
Torben Rothgeb
yeah know Bobby went back on his own for a while. you know It's amazing how many wins he could have had if he didn't just keep going kind of back on his own and drove all kinds of different places during the week as well. Yeah, he drove a lot of other races that he's 31 to do. Just had a passion for driving and that would rub some owners the wrong way too. And then especially if you had a factory back team and you're driving a different brand during the week, they didn't maybe sometimes like that either.
00:29:35
Torben Rothgeb
They went back to Bud Moore right to and then actually won the 78 Daytona 500, his first Daytona 500. What was he driving then? Well, he was driving the big Thunderbird. That's another one that I have. I have the resin kit. It's not the greatest resin kit and it's really small. It's hard finding a chassis, but I do have it painted and I have the decals one of these days.
00:29:59
Torben Rothgeb
And then he did that through 80 with Bud Moore. And then in 81, he drove for Reneer Racing, the 28 and boy drove a lot of different cars in one year for them because they had the first big car when they had the Grey Ghost paint scheme with the the first the big Monte Carlo. They raced one race that year with the 115 inch chassis before going to the smaller cars.
00:30:27
Torben Rothgeb
And then they brought the Le Mans to Daytona, where you had 10 different options for GM cars. And they were the only team that picked the Le Mans and it was much faster. um But then NASCAR gave the Regal a lot more spoiler, because they didn't have the rear window. And so then they eventually did the Regal with the Tufflon sponsorship, but then went to Hardee's that same year.
00:30:54
Torben Rothgeb
and a lot of different Hardee's cars. I'm putting you to sleep with all this Bobby Allison stuff. No, it's okay. And then the next year when, ah you know, after Waltrip had left Die Guard and then Die Guard did a year with a couple other drivers, then Bobby Allison drove for Die Guard. Won another Daytona 582 with the Gatorade car. Then they switched to Miller sponsorship in 83 and he won a championship. How many times did he win the Daytona 500?
00:31:18
Torben Rothgeb
He won it well, and then ah after he kind of soured things with Daigard, then he went either on his own or Stavola Brothers, one of the two. But he won his third Daytona 500 in 1988, beating out his son oh that's right at the end ah with ah and a Buick Regal. This one was gold, I guess Miller had wanted to do a high life and had a golden white car. And a lot of other cars, because Danny Sullivan drove a golden white, indie car they did ah a lot of race cars in that golden white scheme, really cool scheme. um And then, you know, and they talk about ultimate tragedies. And he he yeah first, he got in a wreck in Pocono that year in 88.
00:32:01
Torben Rothgeb
And then in the following years, after just missing the championship in 92, his son Davey Allison, who was one of the few people to go into the last race with a points lead and lose it. you know This was before the chase and stuff like that. um And then ah in 93, he died in a helicopter accident in Talladega. yeah And Clifford Allison, his other son died as yeah well. And so that that would have to be very hard.
00:32:32
Torben Rothgeb
I can't imagine. I lived a long time. I lived 30 years knowing that his sons were gone. Yeah. Yeah. So if if there's silver lining, he's been reunited. Hopefully. A big racetrack in the sky. Right. One of my favorite memories of a Bobby Allison car is Torben and I and I believe Cameron were in Elkhart Lake with Elkhart Lake Track Road America. And we were up in the upper level and all of a sudden we see this.
00:33:00
Torben Rothgeb
big old Dodge Charger sitting in underneath this tent. It totally makes a beeline for it and I did too. It was it was really cool. It was one of the Coke-sponsored cars and it was it was it was impressive. It was it was ah totally restored. It was beautiful.
00:33:15
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, that paint scheme was so awesome. And you put that on Dodge Daytona, and that was an amazing car. Again, I think we probably said it on this podcast. If you haven't been to Road America for one of those vintage shows, just talk about all your senses, the smell, the racing fuel, and just the sound of those great big engines going by. Even though obviously they're not racing 100%,
00:33:45
Torben Rothgeb
you don't smash up these you don't want to smash these cars up historic cars but still just seen them go around and you know some of them really give it to you know some of the better classes are like those little ones they're really fun they really go after it cuz they have nothing they don't have as much to lose with their race cars either that's in five tens of ew golfs you know Porsche 356, those guys go at it pretty hard. Yeah. Yeah. And then even some of those old, uh, you know, ah they have the, the Trans Am cars from the nineties and some of the NASCAR's and they throw them all in the same class, uh, you know, they're racing pretty hard. So rest in peace, Bobby. Yes. Rest in peace, Bobby. So, um, yeah. So, uh, well with all that out of the way, uh, what, uh, what have you been working on?
Current Projects and Challenges
00:34:32
Torben Rothgeb
Well, I ah finished the Salvino's Indy car and i I decided I needed something peaceful to work on. So I um ah got three things on the bench right now. I have a mini art 135th scale Chevy delivery truck from World War II. So it's based on the 41 Chevy pickup chassis.
00:35:01
Torben Rothgeb
It's got dually's in the back and it's, it's all of drab. It's a military truck. So I've got that almost done. And I wanted to build some more 43rd. So I'm working on a one 43rd scale, Porsche 550 Spider from the fifties. Kind of like the car that James Dean was in guide. And that's a Varun kit from France, beautiful little kit. Varun. So that certainly would have been an obscure kit manufacturer. That's an obscure manufacturer. It's a beautiful kit. Almost done with that. And I've never built a,
00:35:31
Torben Rothgeb
Star Wars kit or Bandai kit. So I'm working on a um at-at walker. It's a four-legged walker and I'm using it as a basis for weathering and chipping and just doing those kinds of things to a flat finish. So I'm working on those and like I said next year I've got a bunch of 40 thirds planned to do and pickups and things like that. So what about you?
00:35:58
Torben Rothgeb
Well, ah yeah, it's funny. ah You know, I love Salvino's and what they've done putting new kits out there. But yeah, Rick Salvino at one point said that that will be the something you could build in a weekend. And I'm also building the Indy car and it's not a weekend. ah so No, it's not. that And I think There's maybe a reason why you don't see a lot of those built. As a matter of fact, Bob, yours is the first I've seen in person, right? There weren't any of the nationals for it, were there? No. No. No, Clay Kemp did a really nice one. He's done a couple of them. A couple of those. um But yeah, they are kind of challenging. And almost with the size of yours, I almost would like to have seen it at 125th.
00:36:49
Torben Rothgeb
scale at 124th. I think it might have looked a little little cooler because it's kind of like almost looks like an airplane. It's so big. It's very big. It is really cool um and I love that Pennzoil paint scheme. That looks great. You know of course ah Joey Logano won another championship this year so I built the other two Pennzoil ones. I might build that one whenever they get to come out. Yeah speaking of ah of new kits too because that's they're ah going supposedly going to be done with the, the, the Ford Mustang that they race this year. Okay. I'll be notes is going to be coming out with that in March or April. Um, so godo was trying Joey championship car in March or April. Okay. Yes. And so, um, but I did get my, an Indy kit, uh, done cause that was our last episode, uh, with Cameron.
00:37:44
Torben Rothgeb
Um, which I wish Cameron would have spoke up a little more. Uh, you know, you can see here, I even have the loud, uh, things, uh, but listening to some of our feedback, he wasn't speaking loud enough evidently. But, uh, um, I did build the, uh, Mario Andretti. Uh, what would that be? Alola? Alola. Yeah. From 88, 87. About 88, 89 in that era. Yes. Sponsored by Kmart. It's the AMT kit.
00:38:15
Torben Rothgeb
AMT kit. Yes. Now, um if I did it again, I should have glued it all together and maybe putted the seam lines. Well, but that seam line, that's how the back end comes off. Okay. So that's okay. But yeah I would just glue it together. I've built three, four of these and I've just glued them all together. Yeah. The engine is not that impressive.
00:38:38
Torben Rothgeb
So it's just easier just to glue it together. Yeah, but and then you get the sweep of the car Yeah, no, I did get I enjoyed building it and it goes together pretty well. Mm-hmm So I would ah I would not mind building another one. Um, oh and actually speaking of Bobby else I left out that he drove Indy and 73 and 75 and in talking to Bob I did realize that I the AMT kit, the Johnny Rutherford, was that a or our mp AMT It was AMT.
00:39:09
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, both the Gatorade one or just the McLaren one ah that came with both ah separately, but also with the winners, the Indy winners that are Indy. Yeah, the Watson and the Lotus, yeah, it came with that. You could possibly, if Indy Kals makes cows make ah Bobby Alston one, you could do a Bobby Alston open wind car, because he was driving for Penske.
00:39:36
Torben Rothgeb
on Yeah, yeah and qualified decently blew up twice I think even led a lap I think in 75 Okay, he led one lamb now was a lap where people were pitting and stuff so he was actually little lap but he led a lap and was running in the top 10 and The car I think blew up both years that he ran. Okay So what's your opinion so far in the Indy car?
00:40:00
Torben Rothgeb
It is a
Modeling Techniques and Kit Reviews
00:40:02
Torben Rothgeb
little bit challenging. um I will let you know on final, if there is a final completion. I know one thing that after watching Clay Kemp put his together, um it he had the, ah he left it ah the two halves separate so he could squeeze the seat in. And so one of the challenges I'm going to have is taking off enough material to ah slide the seat in. You should be able to do that though, yeah. yeah
00:40:36
Torben Rothgeb
yeah right so and that That will be a challenge, but we'll see how it goes. It looks cool. I love the Joseph Newgarden's paint scheme. and so on So the red paint, red the nose is red, that's paint. Yes, that is MCW, just a medium red, and then the rest is all ah decals. I did paint white on the back, but I think it was all covered by No, not maybe not all the white white is the white is painted looks like yep The white is painted but none of the yellow is painted. and so That's all decal. Okay. Okay, so Yeah, it looks cool. Hopefully it it'll all go together, right? We'll see. I hope so Yeah, yeah, yeah and so um I got my 71 Mustang done Very nice job. Thank you. Thank you. I you know when ah
00:41:35
Torben Rothgeb
Tim Boy did the muscle car color. So it's one of my favorite articles from Scale Auto. He did Ford and Mopar and Chevy. And I remember when he had, he had that grabber line. and But at the time it was just like this ah really crude MPC 71 Mustang. And then you know I think the front had the turn signal lights were faced the other way, which was more of a 73 model. okay And so it wasn't necessarily accurate. so But I said, it man, I would love to do a Mustang that color. And so then when Rebel finally came out with that, I was like, well, that I got to try.
00:42:22
Torben Rothgeb
and do that one so um yeah it uh it came out really cool really like the way it looked um and then during our club contest as it was going on um you know there are a lot of great uh great mustangs that was the theme uh was mustangs and as we were going along in our club contest you can't win more than one category and Mustang was the last one. And so we're going along and I'm like, you know, Eric's got, he built that big Mustang, um but he's already one. You had already won with Salvino's one, cause you did a nice Trans Am Mustang. And then John's Weber won with the the um Ramen Noodle truck that I sold him and my brother had given me. um And so we're going along and then Steve Hanson had won with his VW.
00:43:15
Torben Rothgeb
That's right. And so ah and we're going to let so most of the people in the class that I was really worried about um had won already. So I'm starting to maybe entertain them. Maybe I have a chance here. And then I was like, oh, but Tom Finch. Why didn't he build a motorcycle this year? He did not. Normally, he would have won something with his awesome motorcycles. But then he's still on there. But he had a great looking, is it Tamiah Kitt? It's it's Mike is three of those three of them out there the two of them to John's librarian Tom did those to my kids and they did really outlandishly cool Paint and decals games and I if it's any consolation I did vote for your Mustang I thought it was really nice and you first brought it to one of the clubs, you know, just painted the green I Was kind of put off by it. Yes, like uh-huh. What's this? but the minute you put the flat black hood on and the flat back decals and And the wheels were sharp on it. It looked great. They really set everything off really well. Yeah, it was definitely one of those cars where you'd need the black accents. And the whole bottom of the car is black, pretty much. Yep, it looked great. And you said it was a really nice kit. Yeah. A little fiddly, you said. Great kit. And well, speaking of as trying to, I'm going to be wedging that seat in the Indy car. um As I was going along, because the firewall is molded into the chassis.
00:44:36
Torben Rothgeb
and so trying to think about stretching the body over that but unlike I do with a lot of tips I actually looked at the decals and the decals had the car without the front glued on So the body turned upside down and sliding the chassis into it. So the firewall slid into it. And using that method, it went went together really well. Because somebody online had complained about how hard it was to stretch it over there. So rather than stretching it, you slid it under. just an ah you know ah great They give you a decal for everything, um which is good. But then also, it was one of those kits where I felt like,
00:45:17
Torben Rothgeb
I had it 95% done for like weeks. It's just like, oh, I can, and you know, you're always, you're such a, yeah you know make these unreal expectations. You know, it's like, yeah, I'm going to get this done and even start working on this. And then, uh, you know, three weeks later, you're still working on the same car. right And that's how that one.
00:45:38
Torben Rothgeb
went went together, but ah again really cool. Love Mustangs, and that was always one of my favorites. I know a a lot of people don't... I wouldn't say they're their least favorite Mustang because they came out with a Mustang two after that, and then a lot of other Mustangs that were great, but I think out of their muscle car Mustangs, that would probably be the least popular in court of public opinion.
00:46:04
Torben Rothgeb
seventy one 71 through 73, but I've always really loved them. So I was really glad. So kudos to Revell for finally coming out with that.
Gratitude for the Modeling Community
00:46:14
Torben Rothgeb
yeah And so glad I could get that done.
00:46:19
Torben Rothgeb
Unfortunately, I did stub my toe on my other 71 Mustangs building a Johan ah funny car, a Mickey Thompson one. And I had had the decals for a long time for Slick's decals. And so, um but I knew anything old from Slick's decals, you need to put that liquid decal film on. And so I lathered it on there.
00:46:44
Torben Rothgeb
but still it put it in the water and it flaked out. and so But I did see that they had the ah ah same decals in their catalog. So I ordered ah two new sets.
00:46:57
Torben Rothgeb
and um strike two and strike three as far as yeah the first one i didn't put any liquid decal film i thought well if these are new then i'll just won't even mess with it and it fell apart that flaked and then so i put some more decal film on the second or third would have been the third set i was working on but the second out of the new ones um That one didn't flake but it rolled up on me and so then I'm putting micro set on there and going slowly and then eventually it that cracked after trying to get it to settle down. So what I'm going to do, I still have two because I use the same piece.
00:47:36
Torben Rothgeb
What I'm going to do is I'm going to paint the light blue on the car, I think. And if I just cut out the parts where it's a Mickey Thompson and the rods and pistons, if I just cut out those little things, I think it might work still. And if you cover it with something clear, it should blend it right together.
00:47:56
Torben Rothgeb
Yes, so are you making a comment on the amount of clear comments? I have no comments! What do you yes. Let's blend it together. We'll see, yes. Okay. We'll see. ok because i you know i trying to I guess I did build the Petty Superbird, but I do have a lot of Johans that I'd like to get built eventually. so Cool.
00:48:23
Torben Rothgeb
yeah um So, well, ah that covers about what I've been working on. I do have that pinto that I'm working on. 90 pinto, yes. we got We had a guy at Nordicon who had cut these boxes in half. So we call him the little box guy. And I thought I had a problem with my unbuilt. But boy, you must have a lot of unbuilt kits if you get to the point where you have to cut. They're basically the size of maybe check boxes used to be.
00:48:52
Torben Rothgeb
um You remember what the text used to come in? um So it's basically a fourth of the sides. He cut them in half, the the model box in half, and then shortened them too, kind of. And then taped it all together.
00:49:08
Torben Rothgeb
taped it all together. It's kind of unfortunate with the 74 Pinto that I bought. And I only bought it for $15, so i couldn't it was a deal I couldn't pass up. I've seen some of those go for a lot more. um But basically, he cut all the parts off the tree, and that's how he was able to put stuff everything in there, right? Stuff everything. He was a little nerve-ragging, shake the box, and you hear all this shit going all over the place. And I hope some of these little pieces didn't fall out of this box that he might cut up and stapled back together. It's always disconcerting when you buy a kit like that. So I am working on a pent up and eventually I would like to build a diorama and I might have to get some tutelage from some of our diorama builders but I do want to build, and I've talked to you about this before, ah like a dealership in the early 70s and on the marquee, ah come in and find your shade of green at Crown Ford's St. Patrick's Day sale okay and I got the Pinto and the Grabber Lime mustang Mustang and then I wanted to do an obnoxious two-tone pickup truck that the Ford trucks really would would do just some weird colors how and I saw one I think in some odd movie that was like
00:50:24
Torben Rothgeb
this diamond green and then this like forest like dark green almost a British racing green one um I might put together one of these days and and just do a ah dealership diorama okay ah type thing but but we'll see but Well, we are in the month of gratitude. And so things that we're thankful for. And I was thinking, what what time what things in the hobby, whether it's tools, materials, um or just things about the hobby, are you thankful for, Bob? Well, I think if you just go on the tools and the materials that we use, it's never been a better place. And there's great tools.
00:51:13
Torben Rothgeb
Tamaya does a bunch of great tools. I mean, you can good at we have a couple good hobby shops in town and we can get things or get things online. And I think the paint is interesting. We have this so many great paints out now that you can use, that you can buy at our hobby shops or you can order online. I know you do a lot of MCW paint, which you order online, but the paint is it so great now. and Just the level of the kits, if you're just talking to the kits themselves, are so good now. yes It's always amazing, well engineered. When you go back and build an IMC kit, or when you will dig into those old McLarens. It's just note so different.
00:51:58
Torben Rothgeb
in today's. Yeah. Well, talking about materials, I feel like the Mr. Hobby self-leveling. Oh, that's a great game changer on so many different paints because, you know, I used it on some of the t true match that was kind of a weird enamel.
00:52:16
Torben Rothgeb
Those stuff in the bottles, not the spray. And that really helped that go on. um I used the orange on my Hardee's car. It wasn't Hardee's Orange, it was Allen Kawicki Orange, but it it matched the decals. And that stuff went on better than I've ever been able to get stuff for. And then, of course, you combine that with the Tamiya LP, um those paints, which I still can't believe they're so cheap, not very many things. You don't say that very often in a hobby shop nowadays. but Um, you know, still for a really good price. And, uh, you, your technique is to fill it up to the neck. Yep. With the, uh, self leveling thinner. So it's about 70, 30, and then that's what the IndyCar is, is that myochromial, you know, and it's just goes on like butter. I mean, I use it in Tamaya acrylics when I paint airplanes. So I paint tanks. It just makes everything slow down a little bit. It slows down that drying and lets it settle down. Um,
00:53:15
Torben Rothgeb
Speaking of paint, I'm real thankful. I think it was either you or somebody in the MSM club who put me on the Vallejo paints. That's great stuff. I really like for brushing on acrylics because to my acrylic was good for spraying, but the brushing on was not great. um But the Vallejo, you got to kind of shake it up and it's kind of hard because you can't really get into it.
00:53:37
Torben Rothgeb
to open it up to mix it. So you got to shake it kind of hard, but for the most part, they really brush on good. I put it in a little bucket of hot water and then I shake it really good. I warm it up and shake it it and it's it goes on beautifully. Yeah, it does. So yeah, and I'm always thankful for all the clubs and all the guys in the clubs. that's That's what makes the hobby fun. Absolutely. Yeah, that's my biggest you know takeaway. Yeah, for having an escape, you know. Right.
00:54:06
Torben Rothgeb
Whatever's going on in your life. You know, I've always been able to think about whatever project I'm going. And even as an insomniac, I notice um if I'm able to wake up and right away think about whatever I'm building. And so, ah you know, and then just think about all the little steps I have to do to finish that up. If I can think about that before I think about problems at work,
00:54:36
Torben Rothgeb
or things I need to do for the house or things that I didn't get done, um I can get back to sleep. That's a good thing. and like I think about that thing I got to do for work or that I didn't do you and I'm up and I'm.
00:54:52
Torben Rothgeb
going to lose an hour or two to sleep. but So no, I'm really appreciative of the hobby, the escape that it
Experiences at Model Shows
00:55:00
Torben Rothgeb
provides. And then certainly the clubs have all been really great. yeah That's been the first year I've been the MCCM. And it's is they each have their own culture, which I like. you know With the MSM is is much more intimate, where it's just like about you know, eight to 10 people, you know, the people pretty well. um And it's everything. Yep. You know, it's all over the board from sci-fi to airplanes, to ships, to cars, you know, everything. Yeah. And you know, MCCM, they've been around forever and they're a fun group of guys, you know, a lot of different genres of building there that to go. and then
00:55:51
Torben Rothgeb
And then the RPM Club, ah which I've been privileged enough to be president this year. And then I was really impressed. You got a ringing endorsement for next year in a world where it's very hard to please all the people all the time. Don't we know? It was it was nice to... You're a very good president. Well, thank you. yeah so it's It's been a lot of fun doing that this year.
00:56:14
Torben Rothgeb
so kudos to all the club members in Minneapolis and Minnesota that we get to hang out with every month. and so Well, as we come down to the end of the year, um anything that stood out as far as the shows that you went to? Well, I always think of the shows cutting across the year from Hope It Don't Snow in February. For show of the year, always is fun. Great bunch of guys that run that show. run that show um
00:56:47
Torben Rothgeb
I didn't make it to the Madison show in March, but then Arsh, I went to Milwaukee this year and that's always fun. Great bunch of hobby shops to go to in Milwaukee. Our buddies like Paul and Mike and Stu and all those guys in Milwaukee. That was fun. And then Arsho and then on North was very successful this year. I unfortunately had a gig to play later in the day and Mr. Rathgeb is now the official The official speaker, I've lost my position. It was a bloodless coup, but it was fine. I'm fine with that. I was thrown into that only because Jim did not want it. I think you asked Jim to do it. And he comes up to me, that well, you're the president. You should do it. I was like, OK. Well, you're a natural born speaker. So but you are. And then the Nationals were a blast. Being in in in Madison, it was really fun. um And then our Nordicon was a great show. That was really fun.
00:57:45
Torben Rothgeb
The Nationals being there, that was, I hope that that will come back to to Madison. It was really fun. They had a really good, one thing that struck me that I really liked is they had a display room. You know, there was almost 3,000 models in the contest room, but there were eight or 900 models in the display room. And I brought a bunch of 43rd scale stuff and Torben brought his petty car collection.
00:58:10
Torben Rothgeb
Another guy brought a whole bunch of, I think, Ed Roth cars, or Tom Daniels cars, I'm sorry. And another group brought 48th scale armor. And these were not in competition. They were just really having fun looking at all the different stuff. John Tine and a couple really great 43rd scale builders were there just downstairs building. yeah you know And there was, and if you're a car guy, there wasn't as much vendor stuff to buy, but yeah, there's always c stuff to buy. Oh, I spent money, still. I found a way to spend money. Oh yeah, there's a way to spend money. But if you like airplanes, too, and, you know, armor, yeah, you're going to spend some money. Yeah. So yeah, it was, ah in general, it was it was a fun year of of going to shows. It was great.
00:58:51
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, for me, it was my first Nationals. And so then I i was really glad just to display all the petty cards. You know, I didn't want to get caught up in having to fill out paperwork and thinking about that. And, you know, you know, just wasn't I just wanted to take in the event. And so I was really glad that I was able to just display some stuff, but then not necessarily be in the contest either. And so that was fun.
00:59:21
Torben Rothgeb
Really like the, what was it, a 132nd Porsche? It was a 917 that had added a lot of detail to, do you remember in the display area? um Yeah, that one of the guys built the Matchbox kit. He did the 91710. I think that was John Tine. It was a really nice, or Larry Ludaborski, one of those guys. Did a really nice job on it. Yeah, it was some great, great models there. And I'm partial to 43rd, so that was kind of fun to see those.
00:59:49
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, the one that the K&K insurance was really cool. I built that kit actually, but of course I left the hood on. I didn't open up the hood like this person did and add the engine. Did a great job on that. Great paint job on that. That really stood out as being cool. I think for different stuff, the was that I used to call it an auger. I actually worked, rode in one of those trucks that sucked out the sewer stuff. That was a beautiful model. It's a gentleman from Mexico. It's a beautiful model. It was just, but it was, you know, filthy. Yes. Just filthy, but he did well. Literally crap, right? Yeah, with crap. And he did a great job. It wasn't real, but it looked real. It looked fabulous. So that was really cool. There was some stunning models of, yep. And across the board, there was, you know, of course lots of airplanes.
01:00:43
Torben Rothgeb
you know, ships and tanks and figures. And just, its it was overwhelming. Yeah. Another one of my favorites was the, um, it was a Star Wars ship. Um, and, but it had Thomas the train on it because then that was a section I have not seen. Uh, that was the first time I saw that a humor, humor in my way. And they have a category for that. Yeah. Yeah. That was a fun, yeah fun group of cars or kids. And Madison's a great town in the summer. Great restaurants are on there.
01:01:11
Torben Rothgeb
a great venue. great be so beautiful man i think yeah A lot of ah Frank Lloyd Wright architecture. He went to University of Madison. So yeah, real real fun, great show.
01:01:27
Torben Rothgeb
yeah And, uh, great, uh, yeah, great shows this year. The one I didn't get, uh, John Weber and I had talked about going to the Detroit show, but we just never got it together. Uh, hopefully next year I want to make it to the Detroit show.
Modeling Contests and Community Interaction
01:01:43
Torben Rothgeb
And he's talking about the 300 benders and, uh, it's been some money there. Yep. Yep. The other one is I, Jim Camp and I have talked about going to the heartland show.
01:01:54
Torben Rothgeb
and that in nebraska or kansas city kanas city And I've been to that once and that's a great that's a good show. The problem is it's on a Sunday. and okay So you have to go to the show and then it's a late night drive back.
01:02:06
Torben Rothgeb
But the it's like our show is that the vendors are right there in the room. That's my favorite, yeah. It's great. i mean because And I love looking at model kits, but I can only do that for so much. I love just being able to go back and forth. It's almost like you know peanut butter and chocolate, the combination of looking at cars and thinking about buying something and going back. Well, what hurt Milwaukee this year is that they didn't have to swap me the next day. Yes. And that was that was a bummer. And no no no fault of their own.
01:02:36
Torben Rothgeb
But it was just a bummer because we usually would hit a hobby shops, go out with Mike and Paul, hang out, we'd go to the show. And then the next day we'd get up bright and early and off to the swap meet. And and the swap meet there is always good. Yes. And a lot of racing stuff too. Yep. Because it's combined with like a toy show racing memorabilia. It's got a lot of money there. Which, yeah.
01:02:59
Torben Rothgeb
and So that was too bad. This Bobby Allison picture I got at the race show, Miller High Life One. So yeah, there's a lot of good over the years and you know i'm I'm a sucker for the 164th and they're so cheap nowadays. i mean It's funny that they Back in the day, they charged $10 or $15 for some of these things where they thought back in the mid-90s when they thought NASCAR collectibles would be worth something one day, joness like the Beanie Babies and all those other collectibles. um But hell, for a dollar, I would buy several of those and put them next to the the cars I built or stuff like that from the driver and stuff.
01:03:41
Torben Rothgeb
So yeah, it was, and you know, they build really well for their theme. And it was a cool theme this year with the the trailer. It was like haulers, hauling stuff is what their theme was. And so there was a lot of great different haulers and cards on that. And then it was on May the 4th, so they also had the Star Wars one. It's too bad you're you're late for the Star Wars theme. I am, darn it.
01:04:06
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, but it's always great. There's a lot of great guys out there to say hi to and talk to and pitch up with. um And then, ah you know, for next year it's going to be the 32nd one, so they're doing 32 Fords. Oh, I don't know how many cars for that. I mean, yeah and Al Stout might have. He has 60 of them, I guess. yes So yeah, that'll be a lot. Yep, yep.
01:04:33
Torben Rothgeb
The, you know, it's funny, the top 10 that we have at the N and L North is just really, really tough to get into. I mean, there's so many great builders, you know, yeah you have Rod and Dennis from Canada come down and then the Casper's, I mean, it's almost like the the Wayne's brothers as far as there's another Casper, you know, building excellent stuff. right you know, they took three of the awards this year. And then Adam Folk is a fantastic painter, custom paint jobs. So, and then just everybody else, Stephen Zagutte Miller, course always is is is tough. Then I was at Tim Roachford, is that how you say that? With the air, it had the yeah real creative. that was a real cry That was an actual real car. And it was very interesting, you know, because it wasn't big and shiny.
01:05:26
Torben Rothgeb
You know, it was just really it was really unique and interesting and a lot of scratch building involved. Yeah. So. So, yeah, we'll look forward to this year and don't want to leave out Slim Jim's Melrose missile. That's Tom Finch. It's a beautiful 69 Honda. You could jump on that, drive it away. And and maybe Rick ah Shepherd. Oh, he had 32 Ford Coupe. Yeah. Make it over to Milwaukee for 32. He's a year ahead with his 32 Ford.
01:05:57
Torben Rothgeb
But it's always the right time to build a 32 Ford. Right. I mean, I'm not even a hot rod guy and I've built three of them. so I have not. and I've built two. Well, and especially the Ravel kit goes together. Oh, it's a beautiful kit. Beautiful kit to build. Yeah, you can't complain. Yeah, it's almost kind of a pallet cleaner after grade you build something. I've never built a 29 or the 30.
01:06:26
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. Everyone says those are the same way. They're just forward together. And I've yet to build one, but I know they would be kind of like a pallet cleanser. I agreed.
Memorable Sports Moments and Drag Racing Insights
01:06:33
Torben Rothgeb
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
01:06:36
Torben Rothgeb
All right, well, we are just about time to wrap it up. OK. The dog is is looking restless. It's about ready to attack one of us. Time to one of us before you can take him for a walk. It is a walk. But before we do have our Super Six, and since with Thanksgiving coming up, one of my favorite things, along with eating stuffing um and everything else that goes in with the Thanksgiving dinner, is football.
01:07:05
Torben Rothgeb
um And so our six all-time my favorite ah football. and I guess we could do college ones too. Okay. I don't watch college. I don't know. So you're going to be all NFL. So I'm going to go with I'm a bit older than you. So my, of course, first would be the ice bowl. Okay. 67 famous Packer game when they beat the Cowboys. Yep. And, and then this, these are, these are agony also.
01:07:34
Torben Rothgeb
The first time the Vikings were in the Super Bowl and they played the. Cheat Chiefs. And got a trip on my home back then. No, no, it wasn't. lyn lawson And they their butts kicked. Um, I think, uh, probably Randy Moss's first coming out game on Thanksgiving against the Packers when they just annihilated the Packers. Um, the famous loss in the 98 championship game, which was heartbreaking.
01:08:01
Torben Rothgeb
and the 2009 loss in the championship game, which was heartbreaking. That's five. And probably one of the funnest games was we were at an RPM, um, white elephant meeting two years ago and the Vikings had fallen behind by 30 points, 28 points yeah to the Colts. And a bunch of us ran upstairs, Clinton Torben and I,
01:08:26
Torben Rothgeb
and the Vikings came back and won that game was the most it was the biggest deficit ever overcome. Yes. So what about your six? Well if I'm going NFL ah you know and since you moved worked agony into it you know I'm probably gonna lose a lot of fans but I as a cowboy fan it's a tough it's a tough world being a cowboy fan you know ah because they haven't won hardly anything since 95. But unlike any team that has not been good, they're still hated. I guess it's just proof that hate lasts longer than love, especially in the sports world. it does that i will And the nicest of people. We've got a kindergarten teacher who is just so nice to come, I hate the Cowboys. I always root against the Cowboys. And it's just like, and and it is so funny. I had another coworker who said that too.
01:09:22
Torben Rothgeb
And ah you know he was talking he's saying the story about how he love medieval stuff and he told his teacher that when he was a second grader and then she did a whole unit on medieval stuff. And I want to go up to him and say you know I hate medieval stuff you know cuz he had told me how much he hated cow was wearing a cowboy shirt is it's like.
01:09:41
Torben Rothgeb
and I don't need your affirmation. You don't have to come up and tell me how much you hate. It's a rough life because I have other teams that are not good. University of Illinois has lost so many college football games and even basketball over the years, although they have a pretty good basketball program. but They've had lean years in that and nobody, I wear Illinois stuff even in another big 10 town. I don't have Minnesota people coming up to me. I hate Illinois. The San Diego Padres, nobody's coming up saying that the Cubs, nobody's coming up. Oh, I hate the Cubs. Maybe a few White Sox fans are Cardinals, but for the most part,
01:10:15
Torben Rothgeb
You know ah teams that don't win aren't hated but the Cowboys there's bad combination That's you know It's one thing if you're riding the bandwagon like a lot of these Chiefs fans and at least you get the you know Get to follow Patrick Mahomes and you always had a chance of winning because you're so dominant So you're hated but your football is entertaining but the Cowboys is the worst of both worlds but anyway I'm sorry I'm i'm ranting nice thing about a podcast is people can just hit that thirty second so like those guy still talking about the cowboys and just off thirty second. But anyway so that goes into both my most miserable and happy ah one is both NFC championships
01:10:55
Torben Rothgeb
And it was ah Joe Montana's coming out party with ah the catch, right? And he rolled out and broke my heart. I'll make it even sadder too. We had moved out ah from my dad's house. And so here I am, a wee second grader living in this woman's shelter. And the only bright spot I had back then um was the Cowboys in the NFC Championship game. and ah And they're doing much better than I thought they would. The game was in San Francisco, but they got a lead. And then it come to find out Joe Montana said he was throwing the ball away. He was throwing her boy.
01:11:36
Torben Rothgeb
but then somehow Dwight Clark comes down. clark to yeah right come broke my heart yeah broke my heart and so um But years later, 1993, the NFC Championship again in San Francisco, the Cowboys go out there and they kind of reverse the curse.
01:11:55
Torben Rothgeb
and a team that would win three of the next four Super Bowls um with Emmett Smith just grinding away, probably one of the the best offensive lines of all time. And then late in the game, it hit a quick slant that Alvin Harper runs down the field and clinches that and that that was, and the field was just a mess. There's a bunch of rain in San Francisco. um So that that was definitely a great game. Always liked the offense growing up.
01:12:23
Torben Rothgeb
So there's a playoff game with Dan Fouts and i I love the Chargers uniforms and Dan Fouts. They played against the Dolphins and I think they called it something like 72 minutes of courage or something like that. and NFL, inside the NFL I remember and that's what they called it. um But they they had a big lead and then blew the big lead and then um Who was the tight end? Kellen Winslow had just an unbelievable game. And then on top of all the receiving, he blocked an an extra point or something. They gave the Chargers the win or something like that. He had a big block or maybe allowed them going to overtime.
01:13:04
Torben Rothgeb
Now, unfortunately, the next week they had to go to Cincinnati and it happened to be 20 below zero. And for the Air Coriell offense, they were not able to recover no in Cincinnati. um So that was definitely one of my favorite games. Growing up in Illinois in the mid 80s, you know, the Bears were a definite story with the Super Bowl shuffle. Oh, yep, yep, absolutely. Kind of being a contrarian.
01:13:33
Torben Rothgeb
and which is too bad because the bears actually practiced in champagne the week before the Super Bowl. oh wow So there's a lot of ah autographs to be had and stuff like that. But I was so sick of hearing about the bears. Not to mention they took out the Cowboys 44 to nothing that year, um which wasn't was sad.
01:13:53
Torben Rothgeb
um But ah They were 12 and 0, I think, at the time, 11 and 0, one of those times, and they played Dan Marino on Monday nights, and Marino brought it to them. I mean, that game was not even close. For a team that blew out everybody else, Marino was on fire that night. And I usually didn't root for Marino, because my team in the AFC was the Jets, at least in that division.
01:14:19
Torben Rothgeb
So I usually root for the Jets against the Dolphins. But on that night, because I was so tired of hearing the Bears, ah when Marino, when that was the only loss the Bears had that year, lost yeah but that was a fantastic game.
01:14:34
Torben Rothgeb
which i remember doing that game. um As a ah hater of Brett Farr um and later on the stuff he did in his personal life kind of show that I don't feel bad about hating him. right had A couple of different games with Brett Farin that really shot in Freud, I guess. They were a 14-point favorite in the Super Bowl against the Broncos. that's right And they'd won the year before right um on the back of Desmond Howard with a couple of returns.
01:15:09
Torben Rothgeb
and stuff like that is a classic patriot it has a good game and so ah but the broncos were fourteen point underdogs and they just brought it to the packers and that was the one where lway had that he got hit up in the air and spun round and this one's for John. Terrell Davis, Terrell. I think it was pronounced maybe a different Terrell Davis. Yes, unfortunately his career was kind of cut short and he was having migraines, added extra drama to the game. He's coming out with a migraine but going back in and running for 20 yards here and there and that was great. And then also I do route for the Vikings being up here.
01:15:53
Torben Rothgeb
But the the years that Farr played for the Vikings was the only time I could not root for them. And especially how he wanted everybody to kiss his butt and beg him to play. It wasn't just enough of playing in the NFL. They had to come down to Mississippi, please Brett, please play for us. And that game against New Orleans man that I was I felt bad about myself I felt like I might go to hell you know watching this guy get and I'll give it to him far was tough man he was getting laid out
01:16:29
Torben Rothgeb
Um, every time he got into those moments, all he had to do was run 10 yards. They could have kicked the field goal and won it. But then he just throws that interception. And he did that so many times. i He did that many times. And the Giants on the NFC Championship, that was the first play in overtime. What's his name's face I thought was going to freeze off. Talking about the ice ball. Who was the Giants? Coughlin. Coughlin's face was going to freeze off.
01:16:58
Torben Rothgeb
on that one. ah So certainly all those Brett Farr games were unbelievable. but okay now so I think I've gotten a six maybe. yeah not I'll throw one for ah college football. okay Being a University of Illinois guy.
01:17:18
Torben Rothgeb
and it's a team that has not had a lot of success other than we got Dick Butkus and Red Grange going for us. But 2007, they go to Columbus to play the number one Ohio State Buckeyes and ah Juice Williams with his scrambling ability and passing ability.
01:17:39
Torben Rothgeb
And I think they benefited because Ohio State played Michigan the next week and so it was what you call a trap game. okay And they were overlooking Illinois and that that was a big big win for them. And so those wins really stand out. I remember watching that and just on pins and needles and when they finally clinched that last first down, that was but it's really fun.
01:18:04
Torben Rothgeb
I'm trying to think, I don't want to get to this and think about, oh, I can't believe I forgot that unbelievable game. There's been a lot of them. Oh, there's a lot. They all run together. All right, well, thank you for listening. Yeah, thanks. And it's great catching up with you. And we got a lot of other ones coming up. And I don't know if you're going to be able to make these. You're probably a busy week. This weekend, I have booked Saturday, I have booked with Andy Martin, a true pioneer of the hobby, is going to be talking about the early days Oh, okay. I will not make it. The first N and L nationals. It'd be great. And, you know, all of those. Utah, what's the Utah show? GSL or something? The GSL, yeah. GSL. Greater Salt Lake. Yeah, the GSL shows. Some of those, yeah. And then even maybe some of the MPC contests and all that. Well, that would be great. And then Sunday, I have Jim Campman.
01:19:01
Torben Rothgeb
it's going to be talking all things drag racing. Wow, you've got to go. So I'm going to pick his brain for all the different drag cars. I'm going to be busy playing that weekend. Oh, yeah. That's right. I'll be gone.
Plans for Meetups and Podcast Scheduling
01:19:15
Torben Rothgeb
But a bunch of us are going 1 o'clock on Saturday. What time is your- I will try to get back. I will try to get my daughter out of bed so we can get her back early enough for that. You're going to the dungeon?
01:19:28
Torben Rothgeb
at one o'clock. Okay, fun. What time is your Andy podcast? One of them's at six and one of them's at seven maybe. Okay, all right. So we'll look forward to that. Hopefully we'll get all these out. We will almost double our podcast if all goes right. If no more technical
Podcast Distribution Challenges
01:19:47
Torben Rothgeb
difficulties. So has the Cameron one Is that the camera one is out there and so is the John's Weber one. Okay. Um, but now, um, I had a harder time putting on Spotify, so I've been putting on Apple podcasts okay now and people, even if they don't have an Apple phone, my brother was able to get a podcast app that played the Apple one, uh, through. Um, so, uh, hopefully you're able to get that. If not, let us know.
Goodbye and Future Conversations
01:20:16
Torben Rothgeb
We'll try.
01:20:17
Torben Rothgeb
will keep working tirelessly to please all the Tiny Card podcast fans out there. All right. so All right. Well, you take care of yourself, Bob, and I look forward to talking to you in the future. All right, man. Take care. Bye-bye.