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Episode 17
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Torben, Bob, and Jim talk about the Madison IPMS show, Model Empire closing, new releases, the greatest model car inventions, and visit their Bucket 6-the six kits they need to build before they die.
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Introduction and Personal Updates
00:00:03
Torben Rothgeb
Welcome to the Tiny Car Podcast. This is your host, Torben Rosgebb, and my co-host, Bob Madrick, coming to you live from the Lake Street Studios in beautiful Minneapolis, the coolest city in the world.
00:00:17
Torben Rothgeb
All right. Well, hello, Tiny Car Podcast listeners. It is a beautiful day here on the banks of the Mississippi at the Lake Street Studios. But you guys don't want to hear about weather. You want that hard-hitting model car talk that you can only get on the Tiny Car Podcast. Absolutely. First off, though, we need to welcome in Jim Campman. One of these days, we're going to surprise you by having your name on the intro. And I think you might just fall over. I can't wait. Yeah.
00:00:48
Torben Rothgeb
Don't be tears of joy. So how's life treating you, Jim? ah it's don't It's okay. Awesome. Awesome. we ah We all have our you know crosses to bear, so I won't get into that. But no, it's okay. It's okay.
00:01:04
Torben Rothgeb
The weather was fantastic today. 71 degrees last I saw. So that's a gift in this
Model Car Building Adventures
00:01:11
Torben Rothgeb
state. Well, there's lots of bumps in the road, but we've got to keep on trucking, my friend.
00:01:17
Torben Rothgeb
Speaking of trucking, one of the best truck builders out there, Bob Madrix, in his Andy's Pork Grines truck. I thought you were going to roll it into a dead tribute for Bob Weir. Wow. It's true.
00:01:33
Torben Rothgeb
yeah Wow. ah Life's going well. and week Busy week next week. Yes, what's going on next? Church musician. Oh, you're Six out of seven days, baby. yeah He's praying as much as he can. That's right. holiness is flowing off me. It's flowing.
00:01:54
Torben Rothgeb
Now, do you find it really hard to make take such a ah switch from like Black are ah Good Friday where it's all somber and sad and then to come back Sunday just with with the... With rock and Easter music. Yes, rock and Easter music. You just roll with the flow, you know? Okay. He's jumping out of the field.
00:02:15
Torben Rothgeb
Back in black, baby. Well, and you just got done with your Jägermeister, was it Porsche? 935. 935. Nice. kit. Very nice done. Thank you.
00:02:28
Torben Rothgeb
nice cat to build Nice, nice. Well, and I finally got my Vega done, my Bruce Larson Vega. it looks good, too. It looks good. It's really good. Boy, they put so many. I still have to put the decals on the side windows, and they put a million decals on the side windows. Well, you don't you don't have to worry about the decals, though, because they're round two.
00:02:48
Torben Rothgeb
Okay. Aren't they? Yeah, yeah. They're not a competitor. No, no, they're not slicks, so they should be able to go on pretty good. um At this point, I might need to find them, though. I don't know. As you know, the way I... Let me know. I might have an extra set. Oh, bless your heart. Bless your heart. Come on now. not This isn't a baker's dozen.
00:03:11
Torben Rothgeb
Well, one of the problems with um painting the car, decaling it, and clear coating it, and then waiting a long time for the clear coat to dry, and then polishing it and then putting it back in the box and waiting another, I don't know.
00:03:26
Torben Rothgeb
Cause I think I, I painted this about last January or February. So it's been well over a year since I decaled it. Cause I decaled it almost right away. um Then yeah, I don't know where the decals went to. You have so many projects though that you have time to yeah let it do that. And that's a good thing.
00:03:47
Torben Rothgeb
Well, as that yeah I have a tendency to do is to spiral back in. And speaking of spiraling, I know a lot of people complain about 3D
3D Printing and Model Kit Innovations
00:03:57
Torben Rothgeb
printing. And it's why I was a little hesitant because, you know, it's like there are a number of people out there who...
00:04:03
Torben Rothgeb
get into 3d printing and then they never build again but uh for me i've had some stuff on 3d printing that have actually been like a catalyst to reopen some new projects and so um we've talked on and off about the wing car project and uh you know there's about three different ways that i've been doing this uh just uh modifying a polar lights talladega chassis If you go back to actually, so yeah funnily enough, one of the very first MPC stock car ah kits ah was actually their most accurate ah as far as they gave you like an interior tub that was stripped down. They gave you a roll cage, and they gave you a lot of NASCAR-specific parts. um
00:04:52
Torben Rothgeb
The roll cage wasn't very great, but um you could build it out of the box much better than you could certainly build the Pro Modeler Revell Dodge Daytona, if you're building stock car edition, or much better than...
00:05:08
Torben Rothgeb
ah that god-awful Richard Petty. I saw one on eBay, too, go for a lot. The Revell Monogram um Superbird, which still, I think, had a vinyl top on does, yeah. But it just gave you decals and no racing parts. It's supposed to be streetcar, that's why. yeah And then even ah more accurate than the generic MPC stock car chassis that they put in their next Daytona, which was the 22...
00:05:37
Torben Rothgeb
What was... Who drove the 22 after Bobby Allison left? um I'm drawing a blank now. It wasn't Dave Marcus. No, no. Bobby Baker?
00:05:49
Torben Rothgeb
I think, yeah, I don't know. I'm drawing a blank. Is this the chassis? that dick Is it Dick somebody? Dick Brooks? Yes. There we go. Richard Brooks. Brooks. Yes. That was the next edition of the MPC Dodge Daytona, but by then they had given you their generic MPC chassis. so But anyhow.
00:06:10
Torben Rothgeb
um so But the the one setback that I was having was coming up with a roll cage that um fits straight along the A pillar. But this 3D printed one was is like it was made for that. And so that has ah got me going more on some of the other wing car projects because I theoretically want to build just about all of them. But... um I do have a Got Me Hot on the K&K one. And then I do have the 99 purple one, Plum Crazy.
00:06:47
Torben Rothgeb
Brickhouse won the first race, but it Charlie Glotzbach and then also the Buddy Baker. Right. but Buddy Baker won. Number six one? Yes. Yeah. So that's got me back on on those cars. And then I have, I'm finishing up on the um Wood Brothers, Cale Yarborough, Talladega, that was designed by our very own Jim.
00:07:10
Torben Rothgeb
And then... um What else do I have? And I'm finishing up the Salvino's Richard Petty 83 Grand Prix. um You know, because originally I had to go back and redo the hood because I had, rent it was all decal and the car's molded in Petty Blue. So I managed to get the decals on pretty good. However, um the side of the hood uh was still petty blue and the way that paint scheme goes the top of the car is vermilion and so when that the way the hood and the hood doesn't fit super great on those i mean there's a lot of great things about those early 80s monogram on nascars but the hood fit is probably one of their detractors anyway the combination of that uh and the way the hood fits i had to go back and paint the vermilion around the hood And so shockingly, I had two of those kits. no um
00:08:09
Torben Rothgeb
Well, it was a mistake that ended up good because um they forgot to send me one from the Builders Club. And the Builders Club, that was one of those 77 Monte Carlos, but it was a Buddy Baker like the Grey Ghost one. One you really needed.
00:08:24
Torben Rothgeb
Yes. No. um But so then I said I didn't get my kit. And so ah for my ah benefit, they sent me another one, but it was the wrong one that they sent me. It was another Richard Petty one, but I wasn't complaining because I'd rather have two. car And that gave me two of the hoods. And so i was able to redo the hood. So that's sorry for such a long winded answer. That's what I'm working on. ah Jim, what have what have you moved over into?
00:08:52
Torben Rothgeb
I moved over into a, started to be a slump buster, but it's, it's oh it's, I'm still not, well, I just haven't had time because I've got some. Yeah. It's a lot of personal stuff. Some personal stuff with my family that I'm dealing with, but it was a ah Tommy Ivo rear engine dragster that round two did probably like a year ago or so. But basically the reason I was interested in it was because a couple other people had built it.
00:09:22
Torben Rothgeb
on Facebook and it looked like a really great car to build because they give you all the decals for the paint that he had on this particular car, which was just, I can't even, you know I can't even hardly describe because it's got a lot of pearl, metal, flake, different designs on the fuselage. It's a rear engine dragster.
00:09:46
Torben Rothgeb
um The nice thing about those kits was the ah they were molded in, well, that and this one is molded in white. And then you can put the blue on it And that's what I think I told you I was painting it, that icy blue testers. One coat. One coat.
00:10:02
Torben Rothgeb
And it's a perfect color for that car. um i just ran out of a little bit of paint at the end for one of the wings that i have to paint so i just have to it's a separate part so it's not a big deal but i just haven't had a chance to go back onto it again and i know it'll be uh the only thing you really have to spend any time on is that the amt uh 426 hemi engine that they give you for that kit is not that great um it's not really accurate.
00:10:33
Torben Rothgeb
That's just the way it was back then. AMT's quality. mean, it's not like the Revell engines that you can still buy the Revell, you know, from that from the 70s. No, from the 70s. Because the cars from like the mid-70s, when Ivo was running those cars, yeah they were pretty much outdated already because Garland had debuted his rear engine car. and It was super lightweight and those Ivo cars were were heavy, ahhu um you know, right out of the gate. So they really weren't competitive. was He was, he was doing a lot of match racing. So, but anyway, so yeah, I got to finish that up. That's kind of what I,
00:11:12
Torben Rothgeb
been focusing on. And then I've got a couple of Mike Scott collection pieces that I'm trying to get done for the next toy show to to try to sell them. They're replicas of some store displays that I have there. There's a little coffin and an orange hauler that were both from the sixty So Well, you've been a great curator for the Mike Scott collection. Well, there was a lot of stuff, and there was a lot more stuff that wasn't finished or...
00:11:48
Torben Rothgeb
you know, hastily assembled or whatever you want to put it. So I'm just trying to do it right for him, you know, and his kind of his memory. And, uh, cause he was a really good builder and I just feel like he hasn't gotten a lot of notoriety over the years, other than obviously Salt Lake from the last Salt Lake show when he was there. But, um, Hey, you know, he was, he had a great imagination and, uh,
00:12:13
Torben Rothgeb
very passionate about the hobby, especially like the last couple of years of life. He spent a lot of time on the bench just because he was going through all the chemo and everything. yeah And that kind of kept him going. So, but yeah, it's, it's, it's fun You know, it's now that I'm retired, I have time to spend on it and it's been a, it's been a lot of fun. So, you know,
00:12:35
Torben Rothgeb
cool Well, ah you know, speaking of HEMIs, talking about the the wing car project, because i know people can't get enough of it. But ah the so I ah this last one I'm doing, like a lot of people recommend is using the chassis from a 68 AMT roadrunner. Right. Yeah. And that comes with a HEMI as well. And so i was wondering, between the MPC Hemi that was given in all like the Duke boys' cars and goes all the way back to the Dodge Daytona kit ah and the Charger 500, that Hemi and the Hemi that comes in the 68 Roadrunner, which one do you think would be better to use? Definitely the 68.
00:13:20
Torben Rothgeb
Roadrunner. Yeah, they all that that was that was a, um hey, Sparky, um that was a ah whatever you want to call it, a game changer, I think, for a lot of people when that 68 Roadrunner came out. OK, because it was designed like it should be designed, like, you know, it had.
00:13:39
Torben Rothgeb
you know, the floor pan was separate. All the suspension pieces were separate. I mean, they did a really nice job on that kit. I was actually, had some in, you know, input in some of that stuff. Cause that was, um, so it was in the eighties. So they were, they were trying to do some muscle cars and that was one that they were able to do. You know, you had to do 68 road runner was their first one and you 69 GTX convertible. Yeah. Um,
00:14:09
Torben Rothgeb
that was you know Those were pretty much it. And then they were able to do the 70 Super B, which was an MPC body that they had found the mold for. And then that they were able to use the chassis from that same 68 Roadrunner kit. Oh, that is nice. So, I mean, they've got got a lot of money they've gotten a lot of mileage out of that tooling. Mm-hmm.
00:14:31
Torben Rothgeb
And I would say the only weakness of the kit would be, and this was like when they were doing the new kits, like for example, you probably remember the 66 Nova they did. That was a game changer for them because that was one that everybody wanted.
00:14:49
Torben Rothgeb
The only downside to those kits was the, um like the door handles and some of the emblems and stuff were little bit weak. They should have been, you know,
00:15:01
Torben Rothgeb
brought out more. like They were molded the They were molded to the body and they were just hard to see. so you almost had to have decals for those. Whereas you know in the olden days, you'd have, you know if they were pronounced enough, you could just use silver paint and foil paint or whatever. But I mean, you know take that, I'm still not, I don't want to take anything away from what value those were. Because you know the Javi was really I'm kind of a comeback at that point. Like it was getting more popular, you know, scale auto was going, you know, both, you know, guns a blazing or whatever with all the stuff they were doing. So it was, it was a great time of the hobby. And for me, and in my opinion, you know, they had all those Indy cars they were doing. AMT jumped into that. um
00:15:47
Torben Rothgeb
And Monogram. Yeah, I don't think Monogram had the success that, I mean, I don't know, AMT probably didn't have much success with them either, but they tried really hard. So, um you know, it was it was a fun time of the hobby.
00:16:01
Torben Rothgeb
There were a lot of interesting kits that they were putting out, you know, pickups and You know, sports cars and all kinds of different muscle cars. You know, if you take all that, you know, 68 El Camino.
00:16:13
Torben Rothgeb
The Impalas, they came out with a bunch of 65 Impala. To their their benefit too, they were doing, you know, 65 Impala. Chevy. Yeah, um in the bigger boxes. The 54 pickup was great. Yeah, I mean, there's there's been some really great kits over the years. you know and Now that Ravella, Germany has pretty much got all the molds for that stuff.
00:16:38
Torben Rothgeb
you know, we're going to rely on those more and more as we get older. Right. So, yeah yeah, no, I think it's, I still think there's a lot of good stuff out there yet. and Yeah. Yeah. um Well, and we had a question at our last car meeting, ah but the but ah lessons that you've learned in the hobby. And one of them ah was that to write stuff down.
00:17:01
Torben Rothgeb
And certainly i think we all, except for Bob, Bob's very ah focused and disciplined. um You have very few stalled projects like like we do, you know. But if you are a a stall project type person, and there's more evidence of this by losing the decals for the windows on this Vega, um yes, to to but keep it all in one box, obviously, keep it organized, and then keep notes about whatever paint you use if it's going to be long work that you don't remember. It is. It's very boring. That is a real real ah stretch for me as well. I you know i don't remember what paint I used. What do they use on this? you know and you know I have a ah friend, modeler friend in our club that forgets you know what he's done a model. But that's more because he's a um volume builder right like you are. But yeah you know he's getting up in age. So
00:18:03
Torben Rothgeb
You know, time is maybe up on his side. Thank you, the rolling stone. But anyway, um right no, I think um that's what that's what I like about the question of the month that you've developed. And, you know, it's grown like a flower. yeah it's it's It's expected every month. Well, I know. i think I think it's great because what it does for me anyway is it brings these guys out of their shell because a lot of them are just – they're really timid and you know they don't want to talk or whatever. But you you get them to – sometimes you can't shut them up. Sometimes you can't shut them up. Which can be a problem. but yeah Yeah, no, it's nice. to And this last question, the only one, ah Chris Vick, it was funny. It was the only one that didn't have any letters. It's like, come on, man. There wasn't anything that you learned?
00:18:51
Torben Rothgeb
or It was interesting to to see for me how many people had the same thing. For me, mine was, of course, don't rush to the finish. Don't rush to the finish line. Yeah, I had several I could have used. I just used the one. I had other people say, yeah, same thing, Bob. Because you talk about having something go wrong or whatever. This was one of the...
00:19:16
Torben Rothgeb
back in the resin days, I was cleaning up some bodies that we were had that I had cast. And of course, you know, not wearing a goggles. I had a Moto2 on and I was cleaning some bodies. and cheese And I had a piece of resin slag, I will say.
00:19:35
Torben Rothgeb
you know, and it I don't know how sharp it was or any of that stuff, but it went into my eye. Oh, good Lord. Yeah. It was pretty small. i ended up having to go to the hospital and have them take it out.
00:19:46
Torben Rothgeb
Well, I mean, what was you know I was there by myself at the house. right And it wasn't going away. I tried to wash it out with water. Oh, boy. um I ended up having to wear a...
00:19:58
Torben Rothgeb
A patch? Who has a soap opera? Do I really have to go to work during that time? No, I don't want to be like the captain on The Simpsons. He's eating everything. But anyway, so you live and learn on stuff.
00:20:17
Torben Rothgeb
You live and learn. That's the beauty of those questions. yeah I find it's just the familiarity between the different members. Oh, yeah. I had that same thing. you know, dropping parts was a big one. think yeah yeah Well, i appreciated how Gladstein worded it when he said, ah no matter how long I've been doing this, I can still make rookie mistakes. Oh, absolutely. And that is, you we're our own worst critic as it is. So, you know, and, and the one thing that, you know, we brought this up before that I think is really important and then people forget this is that,
00:20:53
Torben Rothgeb
No one, when if you make, there's no such thing as a perfect model. I don't care what you do. And so you're all, everybody's so worried about a paint mistake or something they forgot to put on the model because they lost the parts or, you know, um whatever it is.
00:21:11
Torben Rothgeb
um You're the only one that knows some of that stuff. There's, they're not going to see some of those flaws. It's just not, you know, right It's not going to happen. I mean, unless it's something blatantly obvious. Right. overall color The color has to be, um you know, like 16th scale charger we saw to show that, you know, the color was.
00:21:31
Torben Rothgeb
It doesn't pass the eye test. It doesn't pass the eye test. Yes. you and yeah Because the color was wrong? Yeah. Right. Right. Because it was just like, oh, you know. Well, I mean, there's, there's you know, there's the famous turban card that was painted brown. I mean, that one that when I fall back on a lot because he brings it to the meetings a lot. Well, you know, so it's just the certain cars that you just have yeah you have to get the color close.
00:21:54
Torben Rothgeb
And like you said, there's various things like on my 935, the side pods are not correct. But who would know that? Who would know that? Except Cameron. Except Cameron, right? And that's because he's the Oracle. That's right. He's the Oracle. So you can get to me. I'm working on our white my white elephants.
00:22:14
Torben Rothgeb
which is a Mercedes, an AMG Mercedes touring car from 2012. It's a Revelo Germany kit. Wonderful kit to build. Really nice. Going to build a right out of the box. Going to glue the the front end down because it's just got a big plenum over the engine, so who cares? It's a white elephant. I just want to get it done. ah Are you trying so many painting experiments? I'm not going to try any painting experiments. decals? No, no, no. That was on the airplane. None of that. Well, that's in the setting solution department. Yeah, none of that.
00:22:44
Torben Rothgeb
So hopefully this will go well. Famous last words. And I just finished our charger, and that's the one thing we talk about is our club has these great – um you know, that every year we have two challenges. Yep. And they're great. And it's something you can build. to And if you can find a car that fits into that, perfect. Like I've always wanted to build that Leroy Yarbrough Charger. It's like, yeah,
00:23:06
Torben Rothgeb
I can build it now. You know, and it was simple and to the point. That's the best when you get an excuse to build cars that you've wanted to build a long time. 80s race cars. You could do a million, you know? Yeah, yeah it's it's endless. It's endless. Right. so When you finished something like that, didn't you, that you always wanted to build or whatever for a theme?
00:23:26
Torben Rothgeb
Well, the 24-hour challenge, I had that Benny Parsons car, which is an 80s car, so I could use that. Right. But yeah, the javelin, too. The javelin. Well, that was and that was written in the kind of the rules of the theme. Right. That that was the one where you bring bring three stalled projects and people club members vote on it, um which ah speak of it, that Cale Yarborough cars also.
00:23:52
Torben Rothgeb
on that in the MSM club, which was funny. Everybody else forgot, which they did brought. did. I totally could not remember. I couldn't. um I didn't because I wasn't. Oh, right. I was told not to come. So, you know, it's the old, old, uh,
00:24:12
Torben Rothgeb
Mama told me not to come. My girlfriend just passed so on the floor. so So, yeah, so i I have those actually pulled out for the meeting. So whenever you – and you know what? And you gave me that book to read. So that actually got me inspired. i'm go I think I'm going to try to get that – ah Jimmy Dean or, you know, James Dean. That's a great model. Well, I'm not going to build it as his car. but No, but that model great. The Jimmy Dean sausage. No, it's not. How did you know?
00:24:46
Torben Rothgeb
Doesn't everybody want to build that car? No, it's the it's the Porsche 356 Spyder.
00:24:54
Torben Rothgeb
It's a great looking model. It's a um Ukraine kit. USP? USPC. Right. And it's I just saw some somebody had one still available. It's like just under two bills now. It's because it's it's impossible. if well they I don't know that they're making any more.
00:25:13
Torben Rothgeb
no but it was it was like 130 bucks when i bought it and it's you brought it to my house once and it's a lovely model yeah it's really's really it's beautiful yeah and they're beautiful cars so yeah anyway that's what i'm working on so okay what do we have well we we've well i had a busy uh couple weeks um i went to the madison show okay um and that was fun uh they had a a fair amount of stuff on the tables uh swap meet wasn't super great. I warned you though. Yes. Yes. But I knew i was ah ah going over to Milwaukee, ah which is, you know for people who aren't aware of their Wisconsin geography, it's about an hour away from ah Madison, Wisconsin. Yeah.
00:25:58
Torben Rothgeb
And so at least where we were going in Waukesha whatever, it was, ah you know, I guess it must be on the, what would it be, the west side of Milwaukee. So it was about an hour to get there. so Hobby shop, get um man. mine Well, the Model Empire, sadly, is closing. um so it was a little sad going in there because they had, you know, they're taking everything off the walls. and You know, the circus has left left town somewhat. You know, we kind of...
00:26:28
Torben Rothgeb
when When we were leaving, we all kind of embraced arms together. And then the the yeah old couple that are behind their their brother or sister whatever, you know, went into a verse of turn out the lights, the party's over. Dandy, yeah. God But I didn't buy too many kits. I did. die It was 40% off. Too many. Well, you know, I just got done with the Benny Parsons Thunderbird, and they had that Thunderbird Legends combo, which is getting hard to find out of the combo kits. that's ah Because, i you know, that 81 Thunderbird tool is not coming back. ah The Berets Albinos does not have wait a second, though.
00:27:13
Torben Rothgeb
yeah You had somebody cast those for you. Yes, yes. so That is true. So you have like a baker's dozen. Of the bodies. Yeah, right. But you still have to have the kit, obviously. Well, it helps to have the window glass. If I was ah a more talented person, like ah one of our members in MCCM who... said that they made the window for, and it was a tough windshield. It was like a 56 something. Chevy.
00:27:39
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. yeah yeah um Window. Windshield. Maybe was a Pontiac though. Why would he need resin for that? Or was it a... I don't know. ah it was' it Wasn't it one of those Johan XL kits?
00:27:52
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, something like that. Because it didn't come with glass. There's no glass. That's why he he was innovative. The window glass said it looked really good, and he said he got it from a dress shirt.
00:28:04
Torben Rothgeb
so yeah but So we knew it wasn't Daryl. sorry i don't want to steal your joke no daryl uh yeah i just about to say it well daryl is the one that says he doesn't wear shirts so yeah you' very well but so but anyhow uh having the window glass for those even though i have resin bodies that has the nose shortened down to look more accurate um and it was and it was 40 percent off doing this for us yes bob ferrari's great resin caster And so anyway, that that was, I think, after the discount, maybe $30 for two kits as a combo kit. Isn't that bad? So $15 a kit.
00:28:41
Torben Rothgeb
You do great. It's only March. They had the Wendy's Dom Perdom car, and that was marked at $16. So with the 40% off, it was... You would have been fooled for that. It would have been. It was almost under $10 for a brand new Atlantis car. Funny car kit with new decals, which is important.
00:29:02
Torben Rothgeb
Well, we did have rules about that. Speaking of which, now that you've segued into Atlantis, I don't want to steal your thunder. No, go ahead.
00:29:15
Torben Rothgeb
So they announced what's going to be the first kits that are going into Hobby Lobby. And what is that going to be? Well, I mean, it's it's good for the model car builders, but basically it's the 56 Chevy, the 55 Chevy, and the 57 Nomad.
00:29:32
Torben Rothgeb
Are those all old Revell kits with the opening doors and stuff? Yes. Okay. Well, and this is this is something you probably didn't see me. um I sold it to Tom Thorne, but there was 56 Chevy that um that I had from the Mike Scott collection. Okay. Which is one of those Revell early, whatever you want to call it, disasters with the brittle plastic and everything, opening doors. Uh-huh.
00:30:02
Torben Rothgeb
But what what Mike had done was he took that body and he, like, made his own hinges for the doors and everything. And this thing opened like... Clockwork.
00:30:14
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, like, like ah you know, Swiss watch. Basically just, you know, you didn't have to, and it was all, it was all with plastic. There was no putty, no magnets, no magnets, no, no metal, nothing anyway.
00:30:27
Torben Rothgeb
So I ended up, you know, cause I know Tom Thorne is a big 55 to 57 fan and, And I showed it to and he was just like, oh, do you got to sell it to me? And I said, sure. Okay. Five bucks. No, I just, but it was like, yeah, I sold it for like 20 bucks, you know, and I know he'll finish it. And that's, you know, that was my goal was that, you know, as long as you build it, then that's all that matters. So, yeah, I mean, it's, it's one of those things. If you spend the time on the kit, you can make a, you know,
00:30:57
Torben Rothgeb
But that's a lot of time. That's a lot of time. To make those doors work that good. And the sad part about those kits, too, is that the trim is not part of the body. It's like separate pieces.
00:31:09
Torben Rothgeb
Mm-hmm. Oh, really? um Yeah, like it doesn't like the door on that 56 Chevy. It doesn't have like the trim. It's like, screw it up. Good luck. And cutting the, remember the way they were attached to the tree too. It was just like nightmare to get on. have to cut them tree. And, you know, that's another thing. know, it's whole technology thing. They didn't expect there would be flash. Yeah.
00:31:35
Torben Rothgeb
you know, after 50 years, you know, the the more and more flash. I mean, it makes round two like they're putting out brand new kits. So the chrome strips on the side of the car were actually separate pieces.
00:31:48
Torben Rothgeb
I just remember this ugly chrome sheet that just had all that stuff on. and But, you know, to think back then, they were making toys. They were like making a Frisbee or making a slingshot. I know, but that makes it even more difficult. Don't bring up the slingshot. I'm just saying why it's somebody else in the world. but I mean, i would just goo strip that or glue it on and just foil it. makes the most sense. I mean, you know. But there was no foil there. Right. If you could do that. Right.
00:32:16
Torben Rothgeb
um Because I recall, i mean maybe you've forgotten... my The infamous 60 Pontiac that you built from. Wasn't it a 59 or 60? Well, the 60 was... one The one from Trumpeter? i built the 60 and that had separate chrome. That had separate chrome and you almost killed yourself doing that thing. Well, because they had grooves molded inside the body and the chrome would not fit inside of the body. What could go wrong? You're doing this after you got it in primer and you're sanding and scraping and finally of got it to go in and
00:32:50
Torben Rothgeb
Shout out to Leroy. they i knew his name was coming up in this conversation. yeah Because they had two um releases of that. The first one, the phone was all matte. And then I went to Leroy's house.
00:33:03
Torben Rothgeb
and I survived. Anyway, I lived to tell about it. And he had one that, you know, I think I gave him a bit of money too. And he gave me one of the chrome pieces and the model came out fine. It was just an odd way. And the people complain about the roof on that. Oh, they go crazy about it. It's like, okay, just shit them. Yeah. Well, I mean, in in in reality in reality, it does have some problems. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Because, you know, they've reissued now the the Nova. And the Monte Carlo. And the Monte Carlo. Yeah, know. And who has done that? Mobius has done it? or um Yeah, you know Mobius has the molds. From Trumpeter, right? Yeah, all the Trumpeter molds. They have the Mobius, the 60 Pontiac, all the ones we just talked about. Actually, those are from ah Trumpeter.
00:33:51
Torben Rothgeb
Right. And then they also have the Mobius... um well actually it's not Mobius it's the Chevy's 478 oh yeah yeah the Galaxy kits the Galaxy they have the molds for those yeah and then we won't get into the minutia of the was what's the company um that did the the do detailed kits with the photo etch and everything in them accurate me miniatures yeah well they also have the molds for that stock car
00:34:25
Torben Rothgeb
Like I said, we don't want to spend – 98 Taurus. We don't want to get into that minutiae either, but they do have that mold. Oh, my goodness. It just makes me laugh, though, because you can still – it's hard to get more than $10 for the Revelle Monogram 98 Taurus. And those were done well. The kit was never brought out, so there's no one to judge it or to try to build it. But they were trying to market the thing from a company in China that had the molds. They couldn't find anybody to buy it. I think that was their downfall. Up until that point, they were building cars. were building cars that were...
00:35:09
Torben Rothgeb
unique and interpret done accurate miniatures. I only did two of them. We could segue into that. Well, yes. And speaking of that, our history segment tonight is the history of Can-Am.
History of Can-Am and Model Kit Challenges
00:35:23
Torben Rothgeb
Can-Am. And it's funny, you know certainly you know people who aren't... up on the history would obviously know the name McLaren because that has just become a household name that even some of my kids at school know the name McLaren and the cars McLaren. So, yeah. yeah um So, ah but it's funny, you hear a name and you don't really think about it. always heard the name Can-Am.
00:35:48
Torben Rothgeb
And it probably goes back to slot cars because I had the RC Cola 917 and heard the Can-Am but never really thought about it. But then you look at it and it's like the Canadian American Cup Series. Well, duh.
00:36:04
Torben Rothgeb
um But I never put that together until I was looking up the history. and uh that at least the original series ran from 1966 to 1974 um and then uh you know mclaren dominated it uh winning five out of the eight uh championships um certainly with bruce mclaren this company was named after won it in 67 and 69 denny hume in then peter I won in 1970. Rebson of the, what was it? Revlon. Revlon. He en rich man.
00:36:44
Torben Rothgeb
Yes. But, yeah, well, and I think the reality of it, a lot of these people have to have come from money. Even if you don't think about them from being money. I mean, even like Tim Richmond had a fair amount of money. and but the the catalyst of that series out with that car was that big block Chevy. that Oh, yeah. Yeah.
00:37:02
Torben Rothgeb
Aluminum, aluminum heads. um It was a beast. I mean, i just laugh it just kicked everybody's butt. I mean, consider Ford won one race until the Porsches came in. So Porsche won races, Chevy engines, and Ford won one race. wow And that was it.
00:37:19
Torben Rothgeb
So, you know, it was a dominant engine, you know. And it was Simonized, shelled out a ton of money. So it was super lucrative to be in it.
00:37:30
Torben Rothgeb
you know So even teams like BRM in England and Ferrari came over. and they ran They ran at Brainerd. They ran at Brainerd and all those other companies. They tried really hard. there was you know Chaparral was in there with you know all about the sucker car from the two all the way from the 2C to the the sucker car. And Chaparral, was that Phil Hill? or Jim Hall. That was his brainchild. And Phil Hill drove for him. ah And again, won.
00:37:59
Torben Rothgeb
one race in the whole Can-Am series, which is interesting. And then the first year that won was, was it Lola? John Surtees and And then on the kit side of that, then that was the Tamiya kit.
00:38:13
Torben Rothgeb
There is no kit of that except for AMT's in a ah slot car body, which is worth a lot of money now. There was one in Detroit for $120, but I didn't jump on it. But they have the Lola 70. Yeah.
00:38:27
Torben Rothgeb
And we're talking 24 scale now. In 43rds, you can get all these. Okay. Yeah. But in 24th, it's that one. The Tamiya Lola was ah was what how may how later then?
00:38:39
Torben Rothgeb
There was no Tamiya Lola sports car. Which one did Mark Raleigh do? you' thinking those You're thinking of the Lola. This Indy car. That's the it'll only Lola I can think of. No, he's ceased talking about the Tamiya kid, right? Yeah, the Tamiya kid. That was the street car.
00:38:56
Torben Rothgeb
what Was that the T70 or whatever it is? that's the That's a coupe. That's a coupe. That was the 12 scale. That's a street car. It's a super car. It's an early super car. Are you going to get one from your stash? Yeah, I'll grab it and you can help me out here. Is that built?
00:39:19
Torben Rothgeb
Talk amongst yourselves. Rhode Island is neither a road. Nor an island.
00:39:28
Torben Rothgeb
Tell me what this one is right here. Oh, yeah, you're correct. That's the Raleigh car, right? You're correct. That's the Lola T160. That was a very unsuccessful car. T160. You're correct. 1969, this car ran. You're correct. That's really nice. Yeah, you did a nice job on it. And that is the pairing with that kit.
00:39:51
Torben Rothgeb
Yes. yeah You're correct. Sorry. Oh, so that's 18th scale as well? 18th scale. Yes, 18th scale. Yep. And so- Our viewers will have to just imagine the cars. It's a beautiful red and white car. Well, one of these days, I'm going to catch up and get some of these pictures out on the Facebook page. Okay. But who drove that one? Well, what I did is I took- Oh, okay. He did.
00:40:12
Torben Rothgeb
He did. Well, you won with it though, didn't win the thing. This car, we're barely finishing the top 10. Okay. Okay. So they had one good year in the 66. 66. So they won the first Can-Am championship. That was McLaren, McLaren, McLaren for five years. And then it was Porsche for two years. And then the Shadow was the last one. And then the series ended. And they've never done a Shadow, right? or have There's...
00:40:37
Torben Rothgeb
but Tons of 43rds. And there is some in resin in 24 scale. yes Cameron could probably show it. It's never been kitted out. And even the even the great Chaparral 2E and 2G, there's an IMC kit.
00:40:54
Torben Rothgeb
Mulligan built one of those. And then there's a resin kit of it. And IMC did a Chaparral, and that was redone by a Japanese company. And then there was a Lola by IMC, but it was a 65 car. Okay. Yeah, that goes for a lot of money. Not for the faint of heart. But you've got all those McLarens up there, and they're all different scales, which is frustrating. yeah so to maya did the m8a in 118 that was a companion to that one this one yeah and then did they do another one 18th one they did a japanese so there was a japanese feeder series okay they did a nissan that was a sports car okay so were any of these to me a kits did they come with an electric engine these all came with electric fun fun fun you know fun for everyone yeah And then MPC did an M8B, and that was released, and then they updated that to the d um Was there an M8C?
00:41:54
Torben Rothgeb
There is no M8C. They went straight from the B to the D. And then the F was the final championship winner, and there's no model of the F. No model of the F. Except in 43rd. Okay. And then years later, then Accurate Miniatures came out, and this was in scale. Mm-hmm. all right so yes uh and then uh then porsche not to be identified into a different scale uh and we were talking about with the amt leslie lesney that's what that is yep uh came out with a 132nd porsche 917 10. well and had i originally had the indy scale decals for that to do the RC Cola car. But then at Nationals a few years ago, the, what was it? Sky Shooter, Sky? Starfighter. Starfighter. Did decals. Did decals, so I bought those as well. So I had two sets of decals there. Yeah, the most dominant car was the 917 30.
00:42:54
Torben Rothgeb
which was the famous blue and yellow Sunoco car, which had like 1,100 horsepower. And that's only been done in resin in 24-scale. And that's the one that Donahue set all those records with. At Talladega. Yeah. yeah They put the wheel covers on it, and it was like a rocket ship. Frightening. 250 on the straightaway. Yeah. So that's the sad thing about the McLarens that they're just – In all those different scales. well And sometimes I think that looks cool if they're in different scales.
00:43:25
Torben Rothgeb
yeah Well, I mean, the kits were cheap enough back then. But the thing is, is that, you know, the the MPC was the catalyst for the 120 scale. That's only reason it was that scale.
00:43:36
Torben Rothgeb
Because they were they were doing a lot of 120 scale kits. And it's probably what ah it probably would have done better as a... you know, 125th or whatever. Probably would have been better. Um, cause I mean, they have the actual box art is the photo of the car, right? Which is great. You know, it's certain companies that are doing kits now could learn from that. Yes. and i won't any names but I mean, what's better than the real car for an yeah you know example of a model that you want to build.
00:44:05
Torben Rothgeb
Right. Yeah. yeah exactly I think it's a good combination though. Um, because speaking of ah a current, uh, company that's out there sometimes they'll have the real car on the box but then you don't really see what the kit builds up like right you don't and so what is that on your uh is that like a magic marker print on the number on or whatever why that's a scoop there it's a scoop yeah so they had that and it does seem kind of dumb and i don't know why couldn't they couldn't they just bring the number up a little bit so they didn't have to put it over the scoop on the m8d i don't know yeah but i built one of those long years ago it it was okay to build um the b you have how many of those b's you have three you said Well, no, what when I bought it, there was another one in the box, some parts.
00:44:55
Torben Rothgeb
So I don't know. I'm waiting for your largesse at some point, too. Well, I will have to build that, and maybe that might be coming up in our question.
00:45:06
Torben Rothgeb
Okay, all right. Not the question the month, but the Super 6. Okay, Super 6. We'll get to that. Yeah, I actually have one that I'm probably going to bring to the auction, the um Oh, nice. Well, I got this one from Bob, and it has Indy Cal decals and then a photo etch set. Yeah, it's it's it's a nice one to build.
00:45:26
Torben Rothgeb
I sold both mine because I'm still trying to build mine in 43rds. I got a d done, and I'd like to finish up the series of in 43rd. But that 20th scale M8B looks really fun to build. It's a cool car.
00:45:40
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. Yeah. yeah so And which one did Howard do? Did he do the? M8A. He did that and he did a pitch. Which kit, though? He did the's mea kit okay it's the Oh, That's the 68. Oh, okay. He did that one with a pit scene. it looked great.
00:45:54
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. Yeah. As you know, Moggy did one as well. He did one as well. And which one did he do? He did the Acura Miniatures one. No, no. He did the He did the MPC one?
00:46:04
Torben Rothgeb
He did the M8D and then a guy, i forget it was the name, thunder some sort of Thunder Valley. park Oh, yeah, yeah. That guy did a resin set to go on too, right? right, right. The M8D to make it an M8B. And so Jim's was an M8B and he displayed it with the backhand off, I remember.
00:46:24
Torben Rothgeb
Okay. please But I mean, you know, it was – And I didn't know they had a painter's touch color. That's true. Now, Howard said on the McLaren orange, he said the TS-56, but he used a pink primer on that. Interesting. Okay. That would make it pop. Yeah.
Model Building Techniques and Debates
00:46:45
Torben Rothgeb
I've been into many, many arguments with my friend, Alan James, bless his departed soul, that he always said that the cars were different.
00:46:54
Torben Rothgeb
from 67 the different in what way the paint was different the color was different all the way from really till the m8f so you had those six years you know and he said it was it was just very different i'm like no and i've seen three of those cars you know at elkhart lake and they all look the same color was he blind was he colorblind
00:47:19
Torben Rothgeb
But it is hard because a lot of those probably had been repainted. Yes, of course. And you get to an era where you come up with a standard paint. Like now there's probably a standard petty blue color. But realistically, they could have been different throughout the years. If you look at the infamous poppy red, that's one that's all over the gamut as far as...
00:47:44
Torben Rothgeb
you know i mean what is it what's the right color uh-huh retracing green is always another one it's like well let's see what do we got here well penny blue like you said that's another one that's yes depending on what area you're building right but anyway so yeah that's great stuff so that that's a good good segment and it was well it's such an exciting time because the engines were creating all this power and uh you know the cars were so cool um No rules. No rules. ah But, you know, sadly, then you lost a lot of drivers and you had to be really, really a daredevil and almost a death wish, depending on some of the stuff. Yeah, that's true. similar I mean, was, you know, our safety was not thought about too much back then. no. was There was a lot of casualties. i mean, that's in every sanctioning body from Trans Am to all that stuff.
00:48:39
Torben Rothgeb
And kind of a not maybe dark humorous, I guess, with ah when they're asking, you know, Mario Andretti, well, you were such a young guy. How did you move up the ladder so quick? You know, as well, a lot of people are dying. So, you know, seats were opening up all the time with all these people with the safety they had back then. But, yeah. No, it would have been really cool to, you I'm always jealous when we go out to Elkhart Lake and those guys, ah you know with the you know, some of those guys who are old enough to have seen some of those races live, you know, because Road America would have been really cool to say oh god to see, you know, the Can-Am and Trans-Am cars going.
00:49:24
Torben Rothgeb
Cool. So, yeah, Can-Am. And, you know, over the years, lots of cool slot cars, models, all kinds of stuff. So one of these days, one of these days, I'm going to build all all of these cars that build. All right, go for it. You want get your wing cars. After my wing car project. That'll be a smaller one to focus on. Yes, yes. Well, speaking of focusing, that we have ah we have to stay on our – our ah board up here we have new releases next okay um and it's kicking off with a ah very very unique uh card the 58 unreal ebsel uh
00:50:04
Torben Rothgeb
You know, when you're already starting with a car as ominous as the Edsel, I think that scene in Airplane where they were ah they had where they were jumping the airplane with an Edsel, and that was telling you that it was a little foreshadowing yeah of how the flight was going to go. Right, exactly. Because it wasn't necessarily the most successful automobile. um You know, and then developed a cult following just because, you know. Those Ensel Clubs. Yes. yup yeahp so But this one is an altered wheelbase. And I got to be honest, I hope I don't hurt your feelings because I know you you resin cast a lot of the altered wheelbase cars, right? Well, I mean, the ones that were significant race cars. Yes. way and i Not a bad business decision. Yes. Or a drug...
00:51:02
Torben Rothgeb
Test gone wrong. Yes. Right. Yes. Well, it's very bizarre. But my personal thing, even when you're dealing with, ah you know, historically accurate altered wheelbase, that has just never really been my cup of tea. So you mean the altered wheelbase? The altered wheelbase. Yeah. I thought, well, obviously they looked off and that offness, I don't know. wasn't my favorite thing to begin with so then combining that with an etzel uh is is really unique and then putting the outhouse door on the front of it um you know uh but i think some people are going to be able to come up with maybe some uh somewhat cool looking things could you and maybe three d i wouldn't i wouldn't put a lot of you don't think there's any way to save this kid
00:51:50
Torben Rothgeb
you know The most talented builder with some 3D parts, is just that car will never even approach being cool. Let's just say that you you'd you know spent the time and took it you know took it seriously.
00:52:08
Torben Rothgeb
it still has an outhouse door on the front. And it's a wood door. You could print off another bumper or something Yeah, but then it's not going to be the same, though. i mean, it's true it's it's like um it's like an afterthought putting that on there. i mean it's And I um have never looked at the kit because I've never actually seen in person. It's really rare. It's super rare.
00:52:31
Torben Rothgeb
um And the like we talked about when we found out it was coming out was that it actually had ah on the box, it was made to look like a paper bag yeah that the kit came in.
00:52:43
Torben Rothgeb
I thought we talked about it. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. And so, you know, it's just. What? Yeah, it's just. That's goofy. It's not. I just hope that, it you know, people buy it. But I don't know. I know Ralph thinks it's going to sell. I think it will. I bet you does. I bet you does. And that's fine. You enjoy. enjoy. You know. And find, you know.
00:53:06
Torben Rothgeb
Falling back to talk a minute about the ultra wheelbase cars. And i I understand where you're coming from with, you know, not being interested in it, but it's ah it's a part of drag racing history that, that happened. And, you know, I, I will agree with you on when we were in the resin casting business, um,
00:53:26
Torben Rothgeb
and you know, being a drag racing fan, I didn't really like those cars right away at when i first saw them. Obviously i wasn't old enough to see them race and that kind of thing.
00:53:37
Torben Rothgeb
But it was, um, it was a time when, you know, the car companies had money and in the game and they hired all the drivers that they had for those cars in 65.
00:53:51
Torben Rothgeb
Um, they gave them a car You know, from the factory and they were supposed to take him around to race him. This was in 65. And in the meantime, ah Ford took a different approach and they hired Dino Don Nicholson and Eddie Sharpman and some of those guys to be on their team. So they had different competing teams.
00:54:14
Torben Rothgeb
um cars and different and basically the same timeframe. unfortunately they were just match race only. They were never legal to, to compete in actual, um, races at the time oh because they had to follow rules and they really didn't have rules to follow. Okay.
00:54:35
Torben Rothgeb
But they didn't care because they were filling the seats at the racetrack. And, uh, you know so there were, there were a lot of them, Guys were making them in a out of regular cars. they didn't have a you know ah oh come sponsorship from Chrysler or whatever. But you know as as time went on, I really got more interested in the cars because they were a moment in time and they were really pretty cool.
00:54:59
Torben Rothgeb
They were also mixing... don't know how much you guys know about this. um Hydrazine was a, was a, straight about that yeah it was a, want to, it was like an experiment gone wrong, but basically it, know, I just, I watched a YouTube video. Brian loans did a story on hydrazine and it was really interesting because there's a lot of mystery about that.
00:55:27
Torben Rothgeb
um It was an additive. It was like a, um, They used it in the military. Uh-oh. But it was extreme. Then they started LSD and stuff. It was extremely toxic, extremely dangerous. It was very volatile. Very volatile. And it would actually melt stuff and just – people were using it because they didn't know anything. There was no rules for that stuff. No.
00:55:56
Torben Rothgeb
ah rules for that stuff no um and uh so they so there were people that actually got killed i mean you didn't hear about that too much but like the ram chargers they spent a lot of time with hydrazine so what they were using it for fuel or what they were yeah like an additive to the night to ah like nitro or they would use that and so in instead of nitro okay but it would it would actually um like Engines were disintegrating or exploding. Sometimes they get one run out of the engine. They get one run out of them. And the heads would blow off the thing. It was really bad.
00:56:32
Torben Rothgeb
So fortunately, they banned it at some point. But it wasn't until like late, like 67, 68.
00:56:42
Torben Rothgeb
It was banned, you know, pretty much all the different associations and everything. But, you know, this is another one of those at the time when people didn't know what they were doing. no nope And let's give it a shot, you know. And so there there were guys that did it that would never admit it now.
00:57:00
Torben Rothgeb
Wow. So, yeah, it's kind of scary stuff. But anyway, so moving moving along on. What's the 2012 Corvette? 2012 Corvette actually came from a video game, CSR Racing.
Video Game-Inspired Model Kits
00:57:14
Torben Rothgeb
I know you guys are big gamers. No, I'm not. So I don't know.
00:57:19
Torben Rothgeb
Cruising USA was the last game I remember playing. I'm not much of a gamer either. As much as I love my Atari 2600 in the 80s and the Nintendo and and Super Mario Brothers and even Super Street Fighter 2, I kind of stopped at that point. but Finish him. Yes. But I do remember Cruising USA and they had a cool 67 or 63 Corvette, of those in there. But no, this must be from the game. So they're marketing. ah you know It's probably a mold they had, but they're marketing after one of the cars from the game. Okay. Well, it's interesting you mentioned that because i think I've mentioned it before, maybe not on the podcast, but Bill, um I can't think of last name, Gary, who basically spends all his time now, he's retired, the
00:58:10
Torben Rothgeb
ah making, getting files, 3D files from games and such and turning them into accurate a car designs that he can print out in various scales for his own enjoyment, not for him to sell. And he's That's all he does all the time.
00:58:32
Torben Rothgeb
Now, he could probably make a lot of money, right? Well, no, he could make a lot of money. That's the thing. That's not why he's doing it. And people are upset because they won't he won't sell them 3D printed, you know, whatever. And, it you know, I don't want to get into that too much, but...
00:58:46
Torben Rothgeb
It just shows you how much time you can spend if you really want to. And for the love of it. Well, yeah. I mean, and he's looking at all these different, really, really, so you know, rare, one of a kind, you know, um i can't even think of some of the subjects. But I mean, just to do cars that no one no one's ever done before. Well, look at what Bill Cunningham did they did. He did a Maserati birdcage. There was only one Maserati birdcage before then. That was Andy's, right you know.
00:59:16
Torben Rothgeb
And so if you wanted a birdcage, this thing, all of sudden it's like, oh, a Ferrari shark nose. like There was no shark noses. You know, it's it's fascinating. Yeah. Yeah. No, it is fascinating. But then at the same time, how much time do you got, you know,
00:59:33
Torben Rothgeb
Exactly. So this thing is ah is not a real race car. It's so it's a fictitious one. Right. Fictitious. They probably, and it is, you know, really, some people complain about some of the really, did they destroy and the 58 Edsel a stock vehicle to make this? Or was this always just the altered wheelbase?
00:59:54
Torben Rothgeb
Well, no, they would have actually probably used the original 58 Edsel, but... I don't know what that was at the time because they did actually do a new tool.
01:00:06
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. Mid-90s. It was one of those great mid-90s kits. Yeah. I mean, it was it was it was really nicely done. I don't think it sold that well, though. No, not surprising. I've seen Bill Christie. I had one for a long time. Oh, Chris Vick? He did a nice job the morning.
01:00:20
Torben Rothgeb
yeah yeah but had one for a long time so what's the funny yes uh funny actually that's uh i use that to do the camaro funny car it takes a lot of work bruce larson i had to do a lot of work to it um but unfortunately that the chassis has a lot to be desired as well as the wheel wells you can see are quite large and bruce larson's car never had It had more stock-appearing wheel wells. I'm not taking away from your masterpiece. No, no, no. I did not. Well, no, you didn't. Unfortunately, yeah. It's a nice model. You showed me the resin one after I'd already...
01:01:01
Torben Rothgeb
had that mostly done so well i still have some of those if you're interested because we did we did those yes i'll put that in the the one of these days what's the 65 gp for what is that grand prix there's 64 65 grand prix uh and you can do it four in one so apparently uh drag it's a big car too it's a big beast it's a yacht They never ran those in NASCAR at that point. No. It's one of those kits that through the years they've had a lot of different issues of reissues that car. Yeah, been reissued, but I don't think there was something wrong with the kit. don't remember what it was. I'm not up on my list.
01:01:45
Torben Rothgeb
But I do remember in the kit review that probably was like 25 years ago, somebody complaining that they didn't include ah something to make it accurate, a stock vehicle or something. But I don't know what it was. My dad had a Catalina. That was big car. Yeah. Yeah. so Yeah. Yep, so, and that is, and then, yeah of course, ah ah not too old, it's a Bree Dotson pickup in the Monza. We talked about that last time. yeah um Salvino's is doing the um Pocono Richard Petty 72 Roadrunner. That's the one that, didn't he win with that?
01:02:25
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, it was the only USAC race that he raced. Mm-hmm. And it had ah the only thing that would stand out from the other ones is the the hood has that kind of racetrack decal on the a flat black kind of part. It's very unique on the car. It's unique. And they have a really nice picture of it on the box. Yes. Yeah. It's ah it's a cool looking car.
01:02:49
Torben Rothgeb
um And it's probably about the fourth issue of that 71 Roadrunner. that I have a couple of them. I know that... Nunu has finally come out with the 935 that Paul Newman was one of the drivers in the Hawaiian Tropic and Porsche 935 that finished second at Le Mans in 1979. So allegedly that's that's coming out soon. I mean, Mike and Paul are friends
Upcoming Model Kit Releases
01:03:14
Torben Rothgeb
in Milwaukee. I have one on order. and They said it's been shipping now. So we'll find out. Cameron's got one on order. So we'll see.
01:03:20
Torben Rothgeb
We'll find out if it's coming out. And I just found out that I think it's called Alpha Models. I saw on Hero Boy, they're doing... A 20th scale RB19 Max for Shop and Red Bull RB19. This 2023 car, which was extremely successful.
01:03:38
Torben Rothgeb
So it's, I don't know, much of cost. It looks great. What scale? 20th. Who's doing it? Alpha Models? Alpha Models. They've done other car cars? they've done lot of like supercars and stuff. Oh, okay. I've never really, I don't know what they're like.
01:03:57
Torben Rothgeb
yes Sure. Yeah. Well, and we have some insider information from Mr. Kampman, who is very connected within the hobby. Yes. And so he was talking to his friend, Dave. Dave Matchner at Kampman.
01:04:18
Torben Rothgeb
Mobius Mobius right and and he is actually working on a 67 Chevy pickup excellent ah because he's not going to sit and waste his time with with the Maverick so yes because it's because that's basically done i mean in his world is the Maverick not coming out no no no it's coming out it's just that they're still spending time going back and looking at things more and more okay and He really doesn't have to do that because, you know, in his world, it's it's what his job was is done. okay And that's the next project is the pickup. And he's he's done a bunch of research, so he knows what he's talking about. And it's going to be a little more of a challenge because...
01:05:04
Torben Rothgeb
The parts are not as and interchangeable as the Fords are in the real truck world. They're more unique to each other. you know then no okay One had a different back window. I'm not up on my ah Chevy pickups either, but um you know they're quite a bit different.
01:05:27
Torben Rothgeb
over the, you know, 67 was the first year. I feel like they went in two-year cycles. Well, the 67 and 68 looked the same. Then the 69 and 70 looked the same, I believe. And then 71 and 72. It's interesting they're starting with that one because Ravel did the 66, 65, 64. That's why they're doing that. It's wonderful that they're doing it. Because it's been done. And those are nice kits, too. Yeah, I mean, there's no reason to do them. Right. I mean, you could, obviously, I think As you know, looking at the big picture, I mean, how many would you sell? yeah you know Because it's a ton of work.
01:06:03
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, do something that's different. somebody's going to be really critical if something's wrong and all that stuff. So I think it's a good way to go. yeah It's sos a huge void because, you know, trucks are so popular now. Oh, yeah. yeah which Which kind of begs the question. And, you know, you know whatever that answer is, you know, is Salvino's going to do a truck?
01:06:25
Torben Rothgeb
Why would, oh, a truck, never. A S truck? Never. Really? They would never do one. So in other words, no one's going to do it. 3D printed, I think, but yeah, that's about Well, you're right there because Jay's got one done. He's got the Toyota done. Yeah. And that's a 3D printed body. Yeah. Oh, yeah, he's been putting a lot of time on it. He's got all kinds of pictures on his website. That's the Toyota was very successful on the truck. But he's doing the other two as well.
01:06:52
Torben Rothgeb
um eventually, I'm assuming, but i mean he's got a lot on his plate. so Now, do they use older truck chassis, or do they have a 3D printed chassis? too that i don't I'm assuming that there would be something out there, but I don't know. know I'm not up to speed on that either, but yeah I would think with today's technology, I don't know how it could be the same, the same. different It has to be.
01:07:16
Torben Rothgeb
Cause what's the last, last truck they did was the Dodges, right? Yeah. Yeah. And you scored one of those. a Yeah. A couple. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, Now, the hard thing on those, like a lot, all the trucks, really, even the Chevys and the Fords, is the decals. Right. You know, because slicks to the decals, and you know, I'm not going to go over one of the hard decals. Well, I think that if, you know, if somebody actually does one, I'm sure that Mike's will do decals for it. Yeah. Yeah, that would be. as you know Because they actually do look, the Dodge looks pretty good, the ones I've seen.
01:07:48
Torben Rothgeb
Well, and Jay, ah so where's he getting his decals from? are there Or is he connected with Just Want to Build a... No, that's his deal. I yeah just want to build a model. that's his So he's doing decals too. Okay. Yeah, I mean, he was the one that did all those from before. And, ah you know, he's, like I said, he's got his hands full. so Interesting. Yeah. no so I mean, there's it it's it's definitely... yeah a good time to be a modeler i mean yes absolutely stuff is still coming so what about the question of the month okay well uh that will lead us to uh you know speaking of 3d printing but uh the greatest model car invention uh you know for uh tools uh whatever else what do you think it's like an era thing or what
01:08:41
Torben Rothgeb
Just in general, just in general what do you what would you say was the best model car invention, the biggest game changer, the yeah thing that really maybe turned your building around or you could not live without?
3D Printing's Impact on the Hobby
01:08:59
Torben Rothgeb
You start, Go ahead, Tarbin. Well, you know, ah what was a prisoner of the moment? Is that what they call it? Recent, see, biased. um But I would certainly, ah having spent all this time printing this 3D stuff, I would say the 3D printing is just opens up so many things, ah you know, um just like... needing an ah eight and three quarters, uh, rear end, uh, from my wind car project and being able to look and, and then make, uh, the, the file I got has, uh, four different, uh, Mopar rear ends. Um,
01:09:41
Torben Rothgeb
well, there's only one way to find it, but, You know, um no, ah it is just ah like even think about another ah kind of stall. No, I never even opened the box. so I can't call it a stall project, but I bought one of those Broncos when they first came out. And looking at this 3D thing, and it's like $17 for the file, but it comes with the large wheels. It comes with what are those things that they put around the wheel openings? Yeah.
01:10:12
Torben Rothgeb
Flares? Flares. so you Roll cage. Yeah, you could turn the new Bronco into, well, the new old Bronco. Right. The old Bronco. Right. Well, look at Steve Helfman and Don Settick. Both did really nice job with all the 3D parts they put on there. That's true. And I think back when the kit first came out, somebody made, who was the real popular resin maker that made the wheels? Right. It was Fireball. Fireball, that's what it is. It's an easy enough name remember. You should remember that. Fireball. One of your favorite. One of the favorite drinks. Fireball. Yeah. Anyway, just for the wheels back then, it was like $12 or $13, right?
01:10:51
Torben Rothgeb
so so But you could get a 3D printed file for $17 and print all that stuff as many times as you want. Just as a history lesson, if you know... His name is Chief Justice or whatever it is because he is actually a Native American.
01:11:06
Torben Rothgeb
Okay. ah But anyway, he started out, his company was doing aircraft parts, model aircraft parts for different scales. I think he he probably would still have it to this day, except for the car stuff just sold so much better at that he was able to.
01:11:27
Torben Rothgeb
And who is this? What parts does he do? ah He was doing different, you know, um you'd have to talk to JJ because he was he was the one that started buying all that. Was it for specific cars? there No, no, no. I'm talking about aircraft. Oh, aircraft. Okay. right Airplanes, model airplane stuff.
01:11:46
Torben Rothgeb
That's what he was into. And he also dabbled in a little bit with like muscle car tires and things like that. And that's when Jim told me about it. And that just the rest is history. And he's doing the carburetors and wheel sets. This is fireball now. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:12:03
Torben Rothgeb
Okay. So what do you then? ah Well, it's a tough question for me because I think there's there's like different eras that I think – had different things that we got all night. Let's just go through the whole area. Stick around. Yeah. i'll just you know cause Well, I don't know. is The hard part for me is the order of things. Okay.
01:12:25
Torben Rothgeb
um I think personally, um the whole aftermarket, whatever you want to call it, era, let's start with you know you can start with bare metal foil or you can start with Fred Katie decals, whatever it was. I remember when those when that happened.
01:12:46
Torben Rothgeb
And, you know, at the time it was really fun. It was like, wow, look at somebody actually thought about doing like muscle car decals for kits that are already out.
01:12:57
Torben Rothgeb
And it was a really it was really great. I mean, Fred was a really nice guy, um very ah sociable, open to talking about different things.
01:13:08
Torben Rothgeb
he just It was a great time to be in the hobby. I really feel like those were some some rate really great times. And millions of subjects. Oh, my God. The work he put in there, he did those by hand. It was all silkscreened. Yeah. Oh, my God. That incredible.
01:13:25
Torben Rothgeb
what It was kind of cool. It was kind of cool. was I mean, this is just you had to know what was going on, pay attention. But like he would get done with a print set. And then the next time he had to redo the, you know, whatever you do to silkscreen, he would put more stuff on the sheet. He would like improve some of the designs to where they had more information, more, you know, parts or whatever on the decal sheet. And I was happy to...
01:13:53
Torben Rothgeb
kind of be part of helping him with some of the development. He had wanted some ideas. And so I helped him pick some different subjects and they actually sold really well. This was just like, you know, drivers that were pretty popular or you know, he was, he was a big Indy 500 guy. And so he did a lot of stuff like the pace car, yes the pace cards a lot of Indy cars that only, yeah what was the gentleman that had all the,
01:14:22
Torben Rothgeb
Isn't Lance Seller still around? um I don't know. you have to he was He was a big purveyor of dandy car decals. and then And this is like I said, we're talking different here. I think in my mind, for me, when Tamiya came out with that synthetic lacquer paint. a great mean, you think about that now. You can't live without it. You can't without it. You really can't. And you shouldn't have it.
01:14:47
Torben Rothgeb
The stuff is fantastic. I know. I think... if I would echo you, bare metal foil. Yeah, I mean, you can't you can't ignore that, what that was. And it's still good. so you know I would still rival it's as good as the pens. Oh, yeah. um I would say the only thing that would have changed it, maybe, and still not the same thing, is that... um ah chrome paint that we love now. that right I can never think of the Fusion name. But that yeah that's that whole that whole chrome paint, mean, it's still, I mean, Tamiya's coming out with their own ah you know their own foil foil or paint for that. And I don't know how that's going to do, but it just shows you how important that stuff is for the hobby. For factory stock builders, they're the one I would say with like the Tamiya paint. And then also
01:15:40
Torben Rothgeb
the go-to clears that have come out that are so fantastic and the go-to thinner, the GX, you know, the self-leveling thinner is just fantastic. God's tears. you know And PhotoWatch. mean, if you're building factory stock cars, you know, those model car garage sets are fantastic. You know, I mean, and they have race car ones too. I mean, that big Dale Earnhardt set is, you know, it's huge. So those are the ones I would think of.
01:16:09
Torben Rothgeb
Yep. Yeah, I mean, and and you could, you know, obviously you could um segue into, you know, another thing I think that was a big game changer was the model shows that are out there now.
01:16:23
Torben Rothgeb
And, you know, Chuck Helpe really tried to draw attention to that at Toledo, you know, the last Toledo show where... There's all these different NNL events or the contests all over the, basically all over the world that people go to. And it's a big deal. And it's it's a gathering. you know you You have a lot of fun. You talk to other people that are interested in the hobby.
01:16:47
Torben Rothgeb
um You make a lot of good friends, you know, lifelong friends. um Yeah,
Technological Advancements in Model Building
01:16:53
Torben Rothgeb
I just, ah you know. What other things can you think of? well got Well, you know, obviously, you know, I'm gonna all this paint, but the airbrush, I know that is a been, i always thought,
01:17:05
Torben Rothgeb
I always describe it as like, you know, and most of us probably start out with spray paint. You know, maybe there's some people who um start ah go start the hobby as an adult and only do airbrush, but I think probably most of us started that with with spray bombing and and stuff. And I feel like it's just, it's like it's in slow motion, you know, compared to like, you still close your eyes and just hope, you know, when you're spray bombing, hope and hope you sit there and you look and you go,
01:17:35
Torben Rothgeb
yes I did it or oh god this is horrible or it's dripping or it's just like yeah but what you know you're like able to oh I'm not getting enough down here i need to improve on there I need to get on it and so um and then all obviously you can use so much more paints you don't have to rely it on being spray or you can adjust it mix it so certainly that is ah definitely an an unbelievable tool a game changer um and then a lot of the other um
01:18:06
Torben Rothgeb
you know, ah influences that have influenced the whole world, like the internet and then smartphones. ah Because, you know, we we poke fun at a a club member who did a bunch of cars ah the wrong color by assuming what color it would have been with a Ford factory color. and But in in fairness to them,
01:18:33
Torben Rothgeb
um You know, back before the internet or before, certainly before smartphones, ah you just kind of were whatever you could find in books or photo references, what you were left with. yeah And a lot of the pictures were black and white. yeah yeah But now just being able to look up on your phone instantly, yeah um you know, interior shots of a 69 Daytona or something like that, right boom, it's there, you know. And so um it's it's made, hopefully, gets a lot more accurate, at least if you choose to, you know, how detailed you want to get. But it certainly isn't because you don't have the information. Right, right.
01:19:14
Torben Rothgeb
It's true. The information gathering is gigantic. you know and i'd go to like i went to a couple of armor shows with buddies and there were guys selling boxes and boxes of books about tiger ones tiger twos panthers because everyone gets his stuff online now yeah so all these books i mean like the books because i can look at it i can actually pull it up and go yeah okay this is great because i have a have a lot of reference material it's just paper but i mean but still if you want to go to for something it's like oh i'll just look it up right
01:19:47
Torben Rothgeb
You know, and that's true. That's a huge, huge deal. Well, like you said, there was a time when that was the only place you could actually find the information unless you're watching it on TV. You know, with Wild World of Sports or something like that.
01:20:00
Torben Rothgeb
But... There's been a lot of, i shouldn't say a lot of, but there's been some people on online now that have gotten hold of negatives of some of the Peterson publishing stuff.
01:20:13
Torben Rothgeb
know This is all the Peterson hot rod magazines. Hot rod, car craft, all the stuff that they did. And some of this stuff has never been printed before. Wow.
01:20:27
Torben Rothgeb
Or it's never been in print. So it's, and would you call it, it it's on the computer now. So what does that mean? But um it's it's fabulous stuff.
01:20:37
Torben Rothgeb
Just for my own personal interest or whatever, there's a photographer that basically shot drag racing over the course of his whole life.
01:20:48
Torben Rothgeb
He dabbled in other things like movies and boxing, sports, different things like that because he was so good. But just a phenomenal drag racing photographer. And his name's Steve Reyes. And he's actually got his own Facebook page.
01:21:07
Torben Rothgeb
I found out about it last year. And it's like it's like the gospel or whatever. It's man from heaven. Well, and it's it's he was always at the wrong place at the wrong time. And he was trying to avoid tragedy. But he always he he was so talented. He always got the shot.
01:21:28
Torben Rothgeb
And his stuff is just wow um really incredible. So, I mean, its in today's era or whatever, it's just, it's a wonderful thing. so I can't think of any other the inventions. I mean I think about adhesives, what we use. it's It's changed to a certain degree. I mean, there's a lot of really great adhesives now. i mean, I still stick with pretty much the standard standard three glues, you know, epoxy super glue and the Well, it's funny, in the last ah year, I've totally changed my glue strategy. Oh, my God.
01:22:01
Torben Rothgeb
um I was surprised. Before painting, when I'm putting stuff together, I've doing And I'll give credit to Chad Truss where he, you know, you know, i used to hate when people would say, I've forgotten more than you'll ever know. was like, well, if you've care forgotten it, it's not helping you. But over the years, it's a standard line. Yeah. people agree And so, um but it's it's probably one of those things I've heard or seen or, you know, but.
01:22:26
Torben Rothgeb
you know Chad Truss mentioned it one of our meetings, and then I was like, yeah, I'll i'll go ahead and try that. So it's mixing your standard ah glue. I use it to Maya with the orange top, but they also have the green stuff, but you could probably use basically any glue that melts plastic. what ah What's the chemical term for that? I don't know. What do they call well name the one that The one that was around for a long time, and I don't know why it's not around, was 10X. But you could get it at Hub for a long time. But it's just like you said, I told you about my yeah bad experience. with that that's what That's what that stuff was. And it's...
01:23:03
Torben Rothgeb
I remember Cal saying, that's like liquid death. And I'm like, well, it's pretty toxic. But if you use it in a ventilated room and you don't get it on your hands, it's fine. I mean, because there was a time, and i don't know if you ever went through this before.
01:23:18
Torben Rothgeb
i'm I'm sure, Torben, you probably messed with it. But... People were taking like styrene trees ah and they were like mixing it with um liquid cement. Yep. Yeah, the sprue glue. Making their own sprue glue. Yeah. And I mean you you could still do that today. what I've been doing.
01:23:38
Torben Rothgeb
yeah Oh, you have them lately? That's my new glue. My go-to glue I'm tuttied is. Well, and and you're gonna our good buddy Cameron, also, he pointed out when I was at Happy Hobby, trying to survive and the breathing in that environment. But he pointed out that this Tamiya airbrush cleaner, yeah yeah the chemical compound, only Cameron would know this, is almost exactly what the Tamiya glue is. And so, and if you do the math and you still have this from Happy Hobby, 1050 for a size this compared to what you get in a little glue bottle, you should buy this. So.
01:24:19
Torben Rothgeb
Actually to to give them the person the credit that's new, i I recall one of the fine scale videos, Tim Kidwell actually brought that up. Okay. So, I mean, I don't know what came first, ah you know no pro camera yeah whatever you know, the chicken or the egg.
01:24:38
Torben Rothgeb
I don't know. you know, I give credit for Cameron because he doesn't miss a trick. But, you I did see Tim Kidwell talk about it. So do you use that as an actual glue? Yes. What I do is I take a little bit of the Tamiya glue. I put it in like a bottle cap, like a plastic bottle cap. Yeah, do the orange stuff, and then this, even though they're similar, is a little runnier. And then I chop off different parts of the plastic tree, the plastic, and then I mix it together. And it creates this kind of, yeah, like a muddler. If you're making cocktails, you have that muddler that you smash and stuff in with your drink. Of course, that be reference. And so it takes a little while to mix it up and get it to the thickness that you like. And then for some reason, once you add the plastic to the glue, it makes it dry so much faster too. It really melts it and melts it fast. And then because there's plastic in with the glue, then you can sand it. And it's a really good putty. So it's rock hard then? Yeah, it's rock hard. And you can sand it.
01:25:48
Torben Rothgeb
um Sounds perfect for airplane fuselages. It's perfect for that. Yeah. yeah i mean yeah well You have to be careful with it still. but right yeah And like if you can think of ah the 80s NASCAR chassis or the roll cage that you glue together um and you have the one, the bar, the big thing that goes behind the driver's seat and then that connects to the side roll cage that the window net is attached to. putting those together was always just kind of ridiculous because it it just, you never get it tight together. Right. But I lather that stuff on and then I put a clip on um and I hold the sides together, but then I have the clip that holds the side of the roll cage to the back that runs perpendicular to it. And that really is solid. really And the next day it is just all melted together, welded together, and it's built like a brick shithouse.
01:26:51
Torben Rothgeb
And so um it's ah yeah so that's my new glue for pre-painting and puttying. Mixing the Tamaya airbrush cleaner with the regular glue, the melt, plastic melty glue. I know that's wow horrible. blue There's a scientific name that would make me sound so much more professional, but I can't think of it right now. But then, and then, and actually that's why I kind of like, you know, people complain about all the flash.
01:27:17
Torben Rothgeb
But the flash is the best stuff to put in this concoction. Don't tell round two they'll put more in the box. Yes. But it's perfect because it's just such a thin amount of the plastic. And if you put that flash on the bottom and then put the glue on top of it, it's just like, he said you guys your fraud see and then It's like oatmeal. You guys are probably tired of me talking about the Gorilla Glue Clear Grip.
01:27:44
Torben Rothgeb
like say I just put windows in there, and it was so much easier putting the Vega windows in there. They just stick it in there, and you don't have to worry about it melting any plastic or taking any paint off, and it just dries like caulk. So if there isn't if you put too much on, as a matter of fact, we had that famous nameplate was a theme in our thing, you know? Mm-hmm.
01:28:09
Torben Rothgeb
and so um for years i had dreaded i brought the 66 cheville and i dreaded gluing that side mirror on no more my friends i broke out that gorilla glue and i dabbed it on there and that side mirror went on there and once you get that that stuff like i said it hardens up like cookck you can
Dream Model Kits and Community Reflections
01:28:30
Torben Rothgeb
flick that mirror it's not coming off yeah And you don't have to worry about it melting the paint. little dab will do you. So this is the Gorilla Clear. I should probably buy some. I mean i bought some. I still haven't used it yet. I'm anxious to use it for the glass, though. Yeah, because I always use the testers.
01:28:45
Torben Rothgeb
Well, I like that idea. I might buy some of that, too. yeah i like your I like your idea for that, too. Because I just tape in the glass and i just run a bead of it along the top. I hate doing windows. Yeah, windows are no fun.
01:28:56
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, they really aren't. They should do canopies. You and another great tip for the listeners out there. Oh boy, here we go. You know, when you're putting on those parts and I can never keep a good thing of ah tweezers or anything like that. um I have started to take ah just a little ah piece of the Tamiya masking tape, the thinner stuff, and I'll put like a um like a hood pin or something on that and I'll stick it on the masking tape and then I'll, I'll take the ah the masking tape and it's probably like a three inch ah thing of masking tape, but it's the thin stuff. And I'll hold i'll use it to hold the little part. Oh, so he's looking at you.
01:29:37
Torben Rothgeb
And I'll use it to hold the little part and then I'll take the toothpick and then I'll put the like hood pin where I want it to put it. But I'll hold it with the masking tape. I find that easier and less nerve-wracking than having the tweezers and it dropping out of the tweezers or shooting off. Another thing I've found is that one of the armor guys I know uses, it's a putty.
01:30:00
Torben Rothgeb
it's a know you can reuse it and you put into i was a guy in colorado who does a lot of armor models and he'll make a little ball and if you've got to glue a bunch of like suspension parts together or something you just you stick the one part you needed to glue to into the putty and it's solid as a rock it's not going to dry but it's not going to go anywhere and then you glue these other things onto it um I'm not explaining it very well, but it works really well. What you do when you're done then? How do you get it off? Well, then you, then you say you've got a, you've got a piece like this you've got to glue some pieces here. Then you just pull your piece off and it's all glued, you know, and instead of me trying to hold it with, with, you know, yeah you know, so it's something to keep it like it's same idea, keeping it stable.
01:30:42
Torben Rothgeb
you know so you know all right shall we get to our super six the super six is the bucket six uh you know like ah a lot of the tv shows and movies i used to watch in the late 70s early 80s the doctor would come in and said you have six months to live well uh this and is you have six kits to build before you die and Boy, if you had to string that out, you might really build some Bill Geary type stuff to be able to stay on the earth longer, to make your six kits last as long as possible. It's only six months, though.
01:31:19
Torben Rothgeb
No, it's not six months. It's six model kits. oh You have six model kits to build and then you die. Okay. So it's the six. If you you are down to just, you could only build six kits. Okay. Well, let's make three runs. I mean, six runs. Go for it, buddy. So essentially your bucket list okay of six ah for model cars. Well, you know, I'm doing the history of the Can-Am series and looking at all of this McLaren orange TS-56
01:31:51
Torben Rothgeb
um paint. I would have to say one of the McLarens. I don't know which one, but just I have to do it. Which one is that? The Accurate Miniatures? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because the MPC one, I mean, it's...
01:32:05
Torben Rothgeb
it's ah good It's a great car, but the kit is not that great. It's almost as if Andy Martin is sitting right next to him. Why did he say that? Oh, gosh. Well, the beat. He does. Has he built one?
01:32:21
Torben Rothgeb
I don't think you built one because it's 20 scale. If you make it the B as a curbside, it looks fine. I've seen it built as a curbside. The MPC one, you mean? Yeah, looks fine. Yeah, but it's still 120 scale, though. But it's 120 scale. Because if you look at your collection, how many 120 is? Yeah, mean, obviously, again, the Salvinos. But it fit right in with all our Indy kits. Right. That's what I said. The Salvinos indie cards. How about you, Jim?
01:32:47
Torben Rothgeb
Only have six cars to Yeah, well, you know, that I mean, there are there are some choices, obviously. Do you want to get one this time now, brother? That's fine. Okay. Well, you got to make it a good one, right? Make it a good one. So um you guys have never seen the kits probably, but the Aurora 116 scale Funny Car and Funny Car kits were landmark And when I say that, they were complete kits. yeah They were really hard to find.
01:33:17
Torben Rothgeb
And, yeah, so I'd probably take one of those because, you know, that would bring, you know a lot of joy for four you know, before I die. But, yeah, no, I mean, you're going to have to make some ah sacrifices because you only have six, right? For me, the number one member would be Gurney's Spa Eagle winner in 67. the model factor hero kit.
01:33:43
Torben Rothgeb
If I could find the 20th scale or the 12th scale, one of the most beautiful Formula 1. Yeah, no, that' that's ah that's an easy one. Yeah, yeah that's mine. That's one. yeah You're right, brother. Go ahead.
01:33:55
Torben Rothgeb
Well, again, I'm going to be a little vague, but 1 16th funny car. i have ah and You have a bunch, right? I have a bunch, and I need to build one. well the The nice thing about that, though, is that you could actually buy some different decals from Chuck to do some different cars or whatever.
01:34:15
Torben Rothgeb
and there are some people out there that have aspirations of doing 16 scale funny car bodies. Okay. That i'm I'm aware of that there's a guy that wants to talk to me, according to Chuck. 3D printed bodies? ah Yeah.
01:34:33
Torben Rothgeb
God, they'd be big. Well, no, not really. I mean, they're they're still manageable. Okay. So biggest one I see on the NASCAR one is they're doing a 112 charger. Oh, my God. So that thing's going to be huge. so But it's a 16-scale funny car.
01:34:48
Torben Rothgeb
And the funny thing is, with all these reissues, I have only seen a handful built. You know, like ah Howard built one in our meeting. yeah He's actually built two now.
01:34:59
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. With the funny cars? He built a funny car and a dragster. Yeah, but I'm just talking about just the funny cars. There was one that looked pretty good at the first Detroit show I went to. I think the one that you guys didn't go to. That one, it was a Mickey Thompson Grand Prix.
01:35:19
Torben Rothgeb
Grand Am, you mean? Grand Am. um But for all of the reissues and Revell reissued before they went out of business and Atlantis, you do see very few of them at the shows.
01:35:31
Torben Rothgeb
What about you, Maestro? Number two? well yeah Now you've you've jogged my memory. You know what I'm going to say, right? Yeah, you do. Because you were trying to talk me into buying it when I retired as a retirement gift. yeah well Obviously, I know what it is, yeah.
01:35:48
Torben Rothgeb
The Daytona Coupe. The 12th scale. Model Factory Hero Daytona Coupe. Start it up. Get out the gasoline. and It's the only one that Model Factory Hero has ever re-released. It was so popular.
01:36:03
Torben Rothgeb
How many times did they re-issue it? Just once. John said. because they had to fix some things, too. They did. And John said it's you know it's still it still sells like hotcakes. Yeah, but he doesn't have one. No, he doesn't, no.
01:36:14
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, no, that's a no-brainer. Okay. Yeah, that would be – well, I mean, because, you know, its you can always sell it. It's always going to be worth money. So, you know, you're your comment about the Gurney Eagle is is a good one.
01:36:25
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. Well, for me, the ah the second one would be easily would be um
01:36:32
Torben Rothgeb
probably Fangio's Maserati 250F in 12th scale. We saw a really nice one at the Nationals eight or nine years ago, probably the Maserati 250F, the Formula One car.
01:36:44
Torben Rothgeb
It's easy. Okay. Well, this one would involve some decals, but it's a kit that i've all I've been eyeballing and thinking about starting and on and off again all the time. And then even with the Mobius of possibly redoing it. But um the ah the Mercury or Maverick got Pro Street kit,
01:37:09
Torben Rothgeb
Now, what is the one that has the checkered board on the back and it fades from a golden, yellow golden one, Fast Eddie? Fast Eddie Sharpman. Yeah, I've always liked that. Yeah, raced at Minnesota Dragways, actually. um Yeah. Cool.
01:37:26
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, his he was a factory racer. He was a successful driver or whatever. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I would probably, like you, what you just suggested, what I would do is take, you know, like probably I'd have to figure out like my, so what I have left, what, four left?
01:37:44
Torben Rothgeb
for Four cars that are It's your choice, yeah. Right, so they would be like my... um signature cars that i love beyond measure okay so i mean you can that would be the tough part would be picking subjects to do they would probably all be drag cars um i've always wanted to build the gap and roush maverick which was four-door Pro stock was built for the rules. It was competitive. they had They'd won the world championship. That was in 73 or 74.
01:38:23
Torben Rothgeb
then Then there's, you know, you get into the other other cars, which would probably change over time before it's too late. Well, yeah, you know, the Motown Missile is another car that everybody loves.
01:38:40
Torben Rothgeb
yeah I know, you know, we can't build it because Bob's going to build one. so But anyway, so yeah, no. But anyway, so yeah, so probably, yeah. Okay. So we're just going to, what, number three? number three I'm on my third. Okay. I would do one of the great...
01:38:57
Torben Rothgeb
Cars unfortunately sponsored by Nazi Germany, but the Auto Union engine cars that Ferdinand Porsche, you know, and drivers from Rosmeyer to Nuvelari drove that car. So it's the rear engine Formula One car from Auto Union from the 30s.
01:39:13
Torben Rothgeb
And I know them, I'll think, Harold has one and it's, you know, it's so tempting to pull the trigger about its side. It's not in your wheelhouse. I'd i love to get it, but it's, you know, 800 bucks before shipping. So anyway.
01:39:27
Torben Rothgeb
Yes. um You know, it is funny how you can lose momentum of things. ah And ah I remember when going back to Mobius, when they were coming out with the Hudson, I was so, I could not, I mean, I feel like every new release we talked about in meeting, i was like, well, Mobius is supposed to be coming out with the Hudson Hornet. And um Somehow, years and years and years and years and years later, i had still not built, so probably it's going on maybe 30. I mean, and I remember, and you know how you get caught up in the moment? And at the time, you know, my daughter was about three or four. And, you know we'd gone to see the movie Cars, the first one.
01:40:16
Torben Rothgeb
And I was like, yeah, and I'm even going to do one like Doc. And then I'm going to one like- You said this. In the cartoon one. And I'm going do- Did you hit your head in the theater? But no, unfortunately, ah yeah. so i would and And part of the problem is they never did the Herb Thomas one, which you know was a classic. And then also it's one of those things where the color. you get the decals, though.
01:40:44
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, but they're not great. So we'll see. you can Clint do some. Yeah. Yeah. Well, which, you know, he did do the tiny car podcast one. Yeah. God bless his heart. Yes. It looks really good.
01:40:57
Torben Rothgeb
um So I can't wait. So you want a Hudson Hornet, right? Hudson Hornet. But yeah. And that blue, you know, because they actually have one of the Herb Thomas Hudson Hornets in the Daytona Museum, I think. But it's one of those things that every time you look at it is, would this light blue do or would this one or this one? But um no, that hudson Hudson Hornet. And I've heard great things. The only problem is um the so much bare mouthful kind of bare mouth. But maybe I'll just take the chrome fan.
01:41:29
Torben Rothgeb
What about you? What's your number four? Well, you know, like I said, you're gonna for me, yeah I got to pick like – landmark cars like my favorite cars of all time okay well for me it's pretty easy because you know one would have to be a Mopar stock car so it would either have to be the you know I'll just say it's probably the 71 K&K Daytona because that was well I mean it was it was a you know game changer so yeah I think for me it would be one of the i don't know if there's any, any kits of these, but if you could do it with a resin thing is I'd like to do one of Donna use Camaros in the Trans Am. Those were really, really cool.
01:42:15
Torben Rothgeb
The Penske Camaros. And I know there's, um, I know there's resin things I could pry out of some people's hands, hopefully. Um, and you know, use a Camaro kit to do it. That's a great car.
01:42:27
Torben Rothgeb
ah Well, thank you, Bob, because, yes, that would be um mine would be the 70 Budmore Mustang. That's a great car. Yeah. You know, grabber orange and 15. And, yeah, that would.
01:42:43
Torben Rothgeb
And, you know, really. It wouldn't be that much. The thing that ah the wheel, ah you know, the wheel openings, flanges and flares. um But you know what? You know, sometimes you just got to land the plane.
01:42:56
Torben Rothgeb
And just, yeah you know, because you're I was talking about with Hugh at the meeting. And just probably try that method where you just cut a lot of holes in the wheel opening and then bend it back.
01:43:10
Torben Rothgeb
Oh, okay. For the flares. Yeah. for the flare To flare out the, you know. you know wheel openings a little bit number five my man yeah it's you know it's not that tough it's you know it'd probably be another drag car or maybe a street rod or something like that but um yeah yeah i would agree with you on the bud more mustang i think that's it's a great car the parnelli jones car i mean if you read the article on the that series and uh 70 um
01:43:43
Torben Rothgeb
um It's mind-boggling how that all played out. And, you know, for Parnelli to win that championship um with Don Heal, you know, nipping at his heels or whatever, it's it's one for the ages. So, yeah, I would have to say probably a Trans Am car of some kind, no you know. I was like the Chaparral, that white 70 Camaro. That's one its a cool car too, yeah.
01:44:13
Torben Rothgeb
I would say my fifth choice would probably be an Indy car and probably be one of my favorite drivers in the car he won the only race in, which is Mario's Bronner Hawk, the 69 car, the STP-sponsored car.
01:44:26
Torben Rothgeb
Oh, yeah. know There's no kid of it. No, I know. You know, but it's a psych. No, I wouldn't, you know. That's a cool car, I think. i mean, it's kind of ugly, but it's it's a historic car. It's the only win he had.
01:44:38
Torben Rothgeb
Your final pick, Torben. Boy, is my final pick. Yeah. Well, you know, I guess I will have to go. And this is another one where the color has scared me.
01:44:49
Torben Rothgeb
But oddly enough, I did find decals for this. And it's, you know, it's one of those one-off race deals. But, you know, Jeff Gordon is my favorite driver. And the Superman paint scheme And again, the the thing that's kept me from it, even though I have the paint that somebody recommended, um it's that color shifting paint. that's i font Yeah. And so, um but yeah, that, you know,
01:45:19
Torben Rothgeb
the rest of the thing would be a simple it's just the the like 98 uh chevy monte carlo monogram kit that would not be hard but just getting the paint job and then the decals uh for that superman car because i had when i first my first computer my first laptop that i got i had to get when i was going to concordia for my teaching certificate and um they i just had that screensaver that had gordon's uh superman car on for years and years and years I kept it on my screen. So yeah.
01:45:54
Torben Rothgeb
Your final answer, please. It's pretty easy. I mean, here's the thing. Well, no, because i would I would spend the money for the Lotus.
01:46:06
Torben Rothgeb
Oh, the Jimmy Clark car? Well, we haven't seen it yet. We haven't seen it. right And so, you know, for me, it's it's still probably my favorite Indy car all time because of who drove it. Right.
01:46:17
Torben Rothgeb
So that's probably what it would be. I'd probably just get one of those and be a happy camper. That's a good choice. Well, no, it's, you know, it's, ah I just saw a picture of, um,
01:46:29
Torben Rothgeb
Somebody built one of the IMC kits with the STP decals on, and it was on Facebook or whatever. the really bright bright red one? Yeah. That's a cool car, too. Yeah, I mean, I... The decals are... They're giving you four different decals. I contemplated getting it just because I could do that car, and it would be a great car to do, and it would pop off the table.
01:46:50
Torben Rothgeb
Yep. you So... I guess my last one would be... Probably, I don't want to do another Penske car, but after the 91730, get the Model Factory Hero 91730, the Donahue car that he drove, the Sunoco Pines of Wired. a fabulous car. It's a fabulous car.
01:47:12
Torben Rothgeb
Doesn't Cameron have one of those? He does have one of those. You could pry it out of his cold, dead hand. Stop. Because I got to see the car, too, you know, so it was really You did? I had Elkhart one time. Oh, God. And it just pushed back.
01:47:29
Torben Rothgeb
And it was just like. ah Yeah, well, that's that that's an incredible car. oh It really is. Yeah. So, Torben, fantastic. Well, you know, and I'm having buyers for more, so I'm going to throw a couple more in there. I got these Johan kits, the Shirley Sheehan. Sheehan.
01:47:47
Torben Rothgeb
Sheehan. Like shea butter, but hand, shea hand. Yeah, anyway, ah yeah, the AMX, ah the and I have the Soxamarton 71 Cuda, and then looking at this Porsche 917, my favorite slot car, but I'd have to build that 132nd. AMT one. Would you do the RC Cola one? You wouldn't do that one, right? Yeah, yeah and I would do that. yeah is The RC Cola, that's the Martini one. Yes, but I have both the Indy decals and the Starfighter decals. Oh, right. You're set to go. Before the 30 seconds. And again, these things that kind hold you up, the worried about the, on the front wheel openings, they have those real little, putting the decals over that scares the hell out of me.
01:48:33
Torben Rothgeb
you're You're a professional. Okay. You can do it. Would I put it over there and then cut it after the decals are on? Or what what's the best you method to do for that? Yeah, you can do that. You just have to get a really sharp exact on that. Turn on the hairdresser. Here we go, baby. Suck it down. Suck it down. and yeah But cut the slits in there and then...
01:48:55
Torben Rothgeb
no I would just lay it on there and put lot of solvent on it. Yeah, I would let the solvent do the job. but this I wouldn't mess with a the job for you. Don't even cut it. No, because you're going get it to suck down where it's right on the paint.
01:49:07
Torben Rothgeb
it's not goingnna It's going to look fine. And you're talking about a 30-second scale. so and you youre Are you using the IndyCals decals? Well, either the Starfighter one's supposed to be better, I think, but I don't know. I'll probably screw one of them up and then do the other. Starfighter decals, I used them in one of dolls, and they're beautiful decals.
01:49:28
Torben Rothgeb
so Yeah. All right. That's a great look. at that isn't Isn't this, isn't that supposed, isn't that separate right there? Let's see what we have in that box. No, um ah the yeah the body. If Halverson can build one, you're certain. He did a different, he wouldn't even dream of doing this.
01:49:45
Torben Rothgeb
No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Didn't he build the same kit? He didn't build the same kit. But he didn't do the RC version. But it's the same kit, though. Same kit, yeah. Oh, I guess it's not completely see-through, but yeah. No, it's fine. Just put him over there.
01:49:59
Torben Rothgeb
you think se any that you the hair And then you do black wash over it or something? No. no you don't just Don't even do a black wash over it. Okay. ours it Sounds good. It'll stick out like a sore thumb if you do a black wash. Okay.
01:50:13
Torben Rothgeb
okay real needs a blith walk All right. all Awesome. Well, thank you, gentlemen. Episode 17 is in the books. Do we outro music or yet our new music? We do have our outro. So we hope everybody is taking care of themselves, building a lot of stuff. Hopefully we'll see some of you guys at the upcoming shows.
01:50:36
Torben Rothgeb
We never even got to the upcoming shows. but We talked about that last time. We got... April 11th and 12th at the Canterbury. then we have the Nebraska show later in the summer in July. we have nationals in August. for Milwaukee, May 3rd. We're doing the wrong camera and I and Torben.
01:50:56
Torben Rothgeb
NNL North. No, it's in Milwaukee. Oh, right. You enjoy. and you' know You'll have stories to tell. Oh, yeah. Yes. NNL North in May 17th. Be there. B Square. B Square, yes. Awesome. We're going to flush with shows. Flush with shows. So hopefully we'll see all of our model building friends.
01:51:17
Torben Rothgeb
I better We'll need the cash. We'll need that. And and we're spent our sending our beloved Johns Weber out to the NNL East. so That's right. He's going get a full report. That's right. In a of A couple of weeks. All right. So take care, of my friends. Adios.
01:51:33
Torben Rothgeb
Adios.