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Episode 3 Indy Car Special
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Torben and Bob welcome in Cameron Jameson to talk about the upcoming Indy kit from Salvinos and past Indy kits
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Introduction and Guest Appearance
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Welcome to the Tiny Car Podcast. This is your host, Torben Roskiv, and my co-host, Bob Madrich, coming to you live from the Lake Creek Studios in beautiful Minneapolis, the coolest city in the world.
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All right, well, good afternoon, good morning, good evening, whatever time you're listening. We are here from the Lake Street Studios. We have a fantastic show to do. I am joined by my co-host, Bob Majors. How you doing today, Bob? Good, how you doing, Jordan? And we have a very, very, very special guest, Cameron Jameson.
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Welcome, Cameron. How are you doing? I am doing well. It's been a little rough this month. I've gotten in two car accidents. But luckily, my neighbor is a fantastic body guy. And so we've been fixing up the charger. Hopefully, it'll be back in no time, running 100%.
Indie Kits and Car Shows
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Well, today we're going to be focusing on indie kits, all things indie. Salvino's is bringing their new indie kit in the near future. How near that is, we won't know. But according to Rick Salvino, they're on the water.
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coming in our direction. I know my brother was at the N and L East and Clay Kemp had completed the Joseph Newgarden kit. It looked fantastic. Jim Cantman sent me pictures of it. And so we're going to be going through kind of the history of indie kits and talking about that. We're also going to review the show in Omaha.
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We went to that, it's already been about a month ago for that. We're getting ready for the Milwaukee show that's coming up. And so a lot of good stuff. And then we have the N and L North on May 19th. And then Richard Petty is gonna be up here for the Back to the 50s show. So a lot of great stuff going on.
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Um, but, uh, first off, what, what are you working on now, Bob? What you got on your bench? I, um, I've gotten on a pickup jig. So I finished the 34 Ford and the old Ravel 56, and I'm working on the 50, uh, monogram 54 pickup, beautiful kit. And the VW challenge from the MSM club, which are Torbins apart. I'm working on the 70 VW Beetle. So that's what I'm, it's on my bench now.
Projects and Themed Builds
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Cameron, are you working on anything? I've got a long in progress Porsche 935. One that I got special decals for. And all I need to do really is finish up the interior. The body is mostly done. Just adding some details. All the decals are on it.
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Pink's polished out real happy with how that's turning out. It's based on the body is a resin corrected body. That Andy Martin corrected the many times reissued the 1980 Daytona 20. He corrected it to be more accurate. Okay, nice, nice.
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Um, well, we leave from Milwaukee on Friday. So, um, and one of the sub themes this year is the, uh, since the show is on May 4th, may the fourth be with you, they have a star Wars theme. And so I'm not much of a sci-fi builder.
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But luckily Jeff Gordon did run a couple of Star Wars themed cars. And I was lucky enough to already have the decals. So I decided to build that. He actually ran this in the Bush series. He had at the time, I think him and Ray Evernham had kind of a special project that they were going to do for Bush races. Now, during that time, Ray was kind of going
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to leave to start the Dodge team. And so I don't think they ran it as long as they wanted to. I think they did about maybe five races in the Bush series. But one
Techniques and Tools
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of them, he ran this Star Wars scheme. And I think he won a race in Phoenix. This scheme didn't really, he didn't run too well in this one.
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But he actually won at Talladega in the other Star Wars scheme. But I like this car as a better looking car, so I decided to build that. It's just a basic 98 Monte Carlo. I was a little worried because it's a basic full body wrap. And the decals are over 20 years, but kudos to what works. They really worked. And I think what helps when you get a wrap like that is if you have a lot of noise.
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going on. And the paint scheme has a lot of little stars in there. And so I think anything that might not match up gets kind of hidden with all the noise that's going on. And they went on really well. And the kit's a good kit. It's kind of the apex for monogram was that 98 to 2001 era where they were really hitting on all the details.
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And then early 2000s and they kind of went to the kits that they did do, even the glue kits were kind of based on their snap kits and they lost a lot of detail. Starting with that 2001 Dodge kit and then the Pontiacs and Chevy followed that. But this was when they were still really good, accurate kits. So I did that one. And then another thing I'm doing for Milwaukee,
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You know, after going to the show for years, I got a friendship with Glenn Jaskowski. And so last year he had wanted to do the vinyl wraps with the Richard Petty car. And I, you know, I didn't get that done, but this year we decided to do Hooters cars. I know a couple of Hooters, the jokes write themselves, but so I'm doing the
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the Chase Elliott version that's just a white car that he ran in 2022. Now, some people have complained about the Salvino's kit. One thing I make sure I do is I use the regular glue, not the super glue. That way it lets the chassis melt together because it is a pretty tight fit. And in the past I used super glue putting stuff together, but then it doesn't always melt the plastic in it.
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can stick out, but I've had pretty good luck on the chassis on these things. This was still the early version, so I had to make a dashboard. I don't know completely why they didn't have a dashboard, but I did make a dashboard for that. One thing I also noticed is the window decals are
Club Dynamics and Challenges
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kind of tough to stick, to adhere.
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And then I used Solve Faster Micro Solve, and both have kind of melted them. So luckily I had to use another pair of window decals. I think next time I might try to feature the windows, and that might give a little more purchase for the decals to stick. But other than that, it was kind of a full, it's not a full wrapped car, but all the orange on the car's decal, but it went on pretty good.
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Another thing I did learn on this, though, is clearing over Microsoft. That doesn't always work right. So I had another decal sheet. So a couple of decals crinkled up on it when I cleared it. But enough about me. It's all about you. But before we stop, got to ask you one question on the Star Wars card. Yes.
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You really have to intimidate knowing the work to get it right. What tool or technique basically saved your making to get it to work right? Well, I got to give kudos to Guy in our Club, Tom Finch, and he is a fantastic motorcycle builder. And hopefully he'll be in one of our future shows. But he came up with one. He was one of the first persons that I saw using the hairdryer method. And he did a demonstration for our club.
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And so I definitely used the hairdryer and the micro set. And now after I've had this incident with clearing over them, and I didn't clear the Star Wars car, because in the pictures it didn't look real glossy. But sometimes I do clear over the full body wraps. And now that I know that the Microsoft kind of doesn't, it reacts, I'll just stick to the micro set. But I really just used the hairdryer
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Got to be patient, you know, because I think you might have a tendency to panic. And if you panic, then you really mess it up. But just let the, you know, let the hairdryer do its job. And sometimes depending on the decal, you kind of want to think it out as far as
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Where if I, you know, cause sometimes you'll have the whole side of the car as a decal and then you know, that's just like almost too much. And so where do I want to cut it? Now doing NASCAR, I'll try to cut it where on the back bender, where there is a full sponsor, you know, decals will go over it. And then, um, like on the front fender, they also have some stuff or, you know, try to strategically manage if you're going to cut it up into some pieces.
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where would be a good place where the seam would be covered up. And then I still subscribe to the painting a lot of times if it's a really rounded area, you know, like Salvino's has done. They just came out with a Kyle Petty 711 car and they give you all the orange on the decal.
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But it goes over those 80s back bumper and I think I would still rather just paint if it's over a real rounded area. And obviously if you get a car like the Martin Truex Bass Pro Shop that is a full wrap, you're not going to paint that. It's got this camouflage kind of thing and stuff like that. So you just have to be patient and go over a lot of the areas.
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Another thing with the new ones, they have the vents. They have decals for the vents. And just know that if you're going to have a burred up area where it's kind of moving
Modeling Inspiration and Growth
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into the area that's going to be covered up with the vents or you're going to cover it up with another decal and make sure whatever's going to be seen is smoothed out. But yeah, then just be patient.
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Just take it if it doesn't work, it doesn't work, because if you're too amped up, you're going to panic, and then you're going to keep dabbing it, and then the whole thing's going to rip. Yep, yep. Turned out. Well, thank you. Thank you. Well, and another nice thing sometimes, though, with the Hooters car, it doesn't have a whole lot of orange. But the nice thing about it is that then you know it's going to match.
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Because one of the hardest things for like, I do a lot of Dale Earnhardt cars, it's Wrangler cars. They made the true match back then to get the blue and the yellow, because they're kind of unique shades of blue and yellow. The yellow is really washed out on some of the cars. And then the blue isn't necessarily a medium blue, but it's not dark either. It's kind of got a grayish tint to it. But even if you have the true match paint, then the decals.
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Depending on which decals you use, they're all over the place. So the nice thing, if you're using a whole body wrap, you know at least the numbers are going to match with the other color, which is sometimes, like as much as people complain about Petty Blue, at least all his numbers are white. So whatever shade of blue, it doesn't have to match any decals, whereas
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With the Wrangler cards, you had both the numbers were blue and the roof decal was yellow. And so trying to match those is kind of a headache. So that's an advantage to doing. Like the way the selfie notes give you all the other color, at least you know that color is going to match with the numbers. But getting back to the Lomaha show was fun. It was pretty much the same show that you went to in the fall
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Um, but, uh, uh, Chad didn't have as much luck this year. He won a lot of stuff. Um, but so that guy that goes by so that I think he can't remember. Really good builder. And so he, uh, he kind of took a lot of the, as far as best paint and he had, uh, kind of a, I think it was a low rider custom. Maybe it was a flame job. It's been a while, but it was, it was awesome.
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He knocked it out the park with that, so he got best paint, best in show. Then Jim Campman, I think he won with just about everything he bought. He won something. I know the Mustang won best theme for Mustang, and that was a 69 Mustang Pro Stock. And then his Volkswagen won, and he brought something else that also won. Chad is funny. In the fall, Chad won best truck.
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And then another guy, one second, well, they flip-flopped this time. And so, and I think he won also for maybe the car that's on the fine-scale modeler, won. Yeah, yeah, with the paints that looks... Anime cars. Anime cars, yes, I think that's... And Chad, well, I'm sure will correct me at the next meeting if I missed up on that one.
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But, or feel free to call in our live YouTube chat here. So that, but it was great show. And you know, one thing Chad sold me on was that Airbnb, cause that was, that was nice. And it was a lesson hotel. You know, you're always a little nervous cause you don't, you know, at first we pulled up in the neighborhood, was in between, it was okay. But we got inside and it was a top notch. We had plenty of space to spread out and so, but no, it was a fun trip.
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Unfortunately, the weather wasn't great. We had all kinds of weather. We had a monsoon in Omaha, and then we drove through a blizzard when we got back to Minneapolis. But definitely worth it. And this time, I only got half as many kits. So that was good. And a couple of them were one for 43rds. You know how much I love the starters. That's great. And at this point, I think I have just about all of them. And then speaking of buying stuff, we had our auction.
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It's RPM auction. What did you guys come home with? I came home with one kit. My goodness, I'm jealous of your discipline camera. I still have to laugh at myself over that because the one kit that I won bidding on was one of the kits that I donated to the auction.
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Come on, man. I looked at it and said, well, nobody's bidding right now. I have decals, six decals for a number of, for this kit. Might as well just bid it. I can get it back and just consider the donation to the club. There you go. I won it. That's what I took home. I got a Jeep, a 35th scale Jeep from Taffem, which is a really nice gift.
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And Torben brought a Fujimi Enthusiast Dino with a wrecked body. And I just bought a Dino Coupe. And so I have extra parts. So I went home with two kids, brought four. So it was not bad. We raised a lot of money for the club. I was really bummed out when I found that body that was warped. Because, you know, when you first get a kit, newness, and for that first week I'm looking at the Ferrari Dino pictures and thinking, oh man, this is
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It's great.
Building for Joy vs. Competition
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And then I opened it. But I'm glad you're getting used out of it, Bob. And, you know, that's good. You know, the hard thing for me is it's really a buyer's market. There were so many good prices. And so, you know, I think I paid $5 for a Dale Jarrett 96 T-Burg and a Salvino Richard Petit Monte Carlo. And it's just like that price.
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It's really hard to turn it down. You can't be stupid to turn it down. Well, then even when I don't, Tom Finch was bidding on a new Salvino's Kyle Larson car and then it was also bundled with this AMT 90's Kodak Lumina. And I think that only went for, you know, 13 or 15 or something like that. And I was glad I'd love to see Tom build one of those.
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And so, but then he gives me the AMT 90s one. So even when I don't, then I'm bringing home stuff. But then I, and two of those Corvette Grand Sports went for $5 and I felt just the engine alone on those. So, you know, what I'm going to do is I'm going to, you know, take it to my white, one of the white elephants. And I am happy to take it home again.
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And, you know, Bob, you like to get on me. Last year I brought my car and I went home with my car. It was a Salvino's Buigrigo parties, Buigrigo. But, you know, I like to at least have a higher basement if all else fails, especially in the MSM club, you know, where there's everything. And then some years there's been no cars. And so, you know, one would say, well, you should branch out and build an airplane.
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Build some armor or sci-fi. But then they look at all your kids and go, no, no, no. Yes. So yeah, I'm planning on wrapping that up. I even have the wrapping paper down here. I was just going to straight wrap it up and take it to one of them. And I'm happy to build that. We'll talk about it later once we get into the questions, because I do have
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a few questions on that kit. Well, I'm sure that part of the reason you go to that club is to evangelize NASCAR's. Yes, well, and I have gotten, we have gotten some more builders in there. Yep. Not necessarily car builders, but we've gotten a few, Bill Reed came and he builds cars.
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Yes, but the guy who builds Formula One cars now. Yes, Harold Parsons. Great job. He's building Formula One cars.
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And maybe we've even won over Chuck, right? He joined the RPM. He did. And he was originally in our MSM club. So you got that going for you. I'm trying to think if I got anything else from the auction.
Indy 500 Kits and Resources
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Oh, I got a Phil Bonner altered wheelbase drag car. And I'm sure our buddy Jim Cantman could tell me some stuff that's wrong with it.
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It looks like it builds up to a good thing and maybe he'll show me how to replace or fix some of the things on there but it looks like a pretty quick build and then oh I got a Miata and again these things are going for so you know it's a Tamaya kit for like five to eight dollars maybe and my mom had one of those so I figure out it looks pretty easy. Over the years I've managed to collect pretty much all the cars that both my mom
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brother of hats. One thing that I did get also besides one kit at the auction. Two nice beautiful large format calendars of photographs by American
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I love the K&M, that's what the photos were. But it reminded me that when I was younger, in my 20s, looking at modeling and other magazines, a lot of times calendars like that were advertised. And I had only ever bought one of those calendars.
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having that calendar, or those two calendars, I was very, very happy. Well, I know Bob bought a lot of books to the auction. And I think the only thing that goes cheaper than Corvette kits or NASCAR kits are books. I mean, it's good to have to read with the key prints, you know what I mean? Yes. Yeah. Well, I don't know. But I know. It is, with the advent of the internet,
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A lot of people have just got into book collections and stuff. But, as I said in the studio, I see that big roll of NASCAR things for NASCAR. Yes, and you even helped me out with that. I did. You found those at the second hand books. At first books. At price books, yes. Well, that is one of the things I do as much NASCAR ability. Those yearbooks are really good. It's rare that I've looked for a car.
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And granted, I usually build pretty famous cars. Some guys like the obscure things, but I'm usually building cars that at least won a couple races. But it's rare that I looked in the yearbooks and not found a picture of that. And they give you the real hard ones from the back or from the passenger side that you don't always get. And that's one thing, in talking about the Salvino's kits, they give you one picture. That's something I wish I could kind of improve on.
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You know, and that's what I really like doing that Mario Andretti call that, you know, the A.M.T. kids of that era would give you several different shots of the car to help you right off the box. That was nice. So, but... No, it was a good auction. I think we raised about $1,000 for our club. So that was good.
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Uh, but it is, it's not good if you're trying to trim down, uh, your stash and trying to, uh, make more space. The nights that I did come out a winner, cause I think I brought eight gifts. Um, and then I came home with about five. So that's the end of the day. Um, and then sometimes it's good to, you know, like, uh, that, that kid was probably gonna sit out in the Ferrari Dino one was going to sit out and go to nowhere. And now I have a lot of time. It depends on who gets you.
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But when Bob, I'm pretty sure that it'll get built. So that's also a nice thing to do. All right. Well, without further ado, we're going to get to our interview with Cameron. I'm amazed at the wealth of knowledge. I've had the privilege of going to Road America a couple of times.
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And what I always say is it's like when you go to a museum and you get the headset and it's telling you about all of the pictures. I remember looking at a purple Ferrari that we were looking at last year and to me it was a purple Ferrari and Mario Andretti owned it. But then you're telling me that he traded some car of his because his daughter wanted the purple Ferrari. What did he trade?
00:25:34
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from what I understand, Ferrari Daytona Clues, which actually is more collectible, worth a fair bit more. So yes. He loves his daughter to be willing to hand to Tina Purple, because that was her favorite company. And it jumped right off the table, let's say, when we saw it.
00:26:04
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Oh, man. Yeah, no, that was really awesome. Yeah, he sounds like he's pretty generous. I think he gave his, because any of the Indy winners got the pace car. And he was lucky enough to win in a year where they had a really cool one, the 69 Camaro. And I think he gave that to his twin brother. All right, well, we're going to jump into this interview.
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So, first off, who or what was it that got you into following racing and becoming this wealth of knowledge and great fan that you are? I'm told enough to remember when a movie would come out at the theaters and a couple years later, the studios would
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we release movies in the theaters for people that either liked it or missed it the first time because now we have cable TV with hundreds of movie channels so you have all these opportunities to see movies again. But I grew up in a movie family and would go to the theater all the time. One of the movies that
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Kate was re-released and my family went to what was the 1967 released big Cineramo movie called Grand Prix with James Garner. And I saw that, unfortunately it wasn't in Cineramo when I saw it. I saw that and was totally blown away
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You were hooked. Okay. Well, um, why model cars? What does the hobby do for you?
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For whatever reason, all my life, if I've ever seen a well-made model or anything, it doesn't even matter really what the subject is, it is always fascinating. Didn't have to move, just look as realistic as possible. And I had thought about, well, do I want to try to get into
00:28:59
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not radial control, they were tethered aircraft, gasoline-powered aircraft models. And they also had motorized power models that you could guide. And the idea of building one of those, flying it or running it in the parking lot,
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crash and all that hard work, putting it together, go to waste, I just wouldn't have been able to handle that. So I settled on static models. I liked aircraft. I liked a lot of young boys. I got interested in World War II aircraft. My first kit that I ever bought was
00:29:59
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a two-for-one box with a Japanese World War II Zero in one 72nd scale. And I think the other one was a US P-47 Thunderbolt. But that was the start. Never looked back other than a short period about seven or nine years where I
00:30:29
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I stopped building, but I continued building, building a lot slower than I used to before, because when you're a kid, you throw things together, you don't always paint it, put on the decals, and I was very happy with that. And I did gradually to building models and entering model contests, like the
00:30:59
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that used to be held at the St. Paul Civic Center every year and was locking up. And fortunately, then my wife and I bought a computer and that stopped me. I went back to it and the same subject. Yeah, well speaking of subjects, what would you say your favorite genre of building is?
00:31:29
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It's always been Formula One Grand Prix cars. That was the major thing, but any type of race cars, I rarely built stock cars or street cars and by stock cars I mean street cars.
00:31:51
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in the dealership. I rarely built those. It always had to be a race car. And I just loved anything. At that time, when I was young, first 10 years, I was building a building. Race cars, even a couple of times, ships. And now it's race cars and jet fighter, fighter jet.
00:32:21
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Okay. So would Formula One, the one twelfth scale or one twentieth scale? When I started, they didn't, they hadn't, there were no twentieth scale. Those, they started about five or five years after I started building models. But I did, was lucky enough as a young teenager to be able to afford to get
00:32:50
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some of the Tamiya 112 scale Formula One cars. And I, for a number of years, I would build the latest issue every weekend. Often, it was either the champion, the world championship car from the year before, or another notable car like the six-wheel turbo.
00:33:18
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Only won one race, but everybody talked about it, so they did a kick. Did that in 12 scale? I think I built, over the years, close on a dozen 12 scale family property cards. Okay. Yeah, I got that Emerson Fittipaldi one, what number? 1972. 1972, John Player Special.
00:33:45
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Yes, yes. So what's the hardest thing about building those? They're not hard to build at all. Anything, Tamiya, pretty much just about falls together. The thing you want to do is, if you can add some detail, because they're a 112 scale, those are
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big models. They're usually about twice the length of most of the common 124th, 125th scale kits out there. So any detail that you can add to it really enhances. It'll fall together. I happen to have built that particular kit twice.
00:34:43
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Well, it's a great paint skin. Really, really cool. And indycals. No, indycals don't like indycals. Not for that. Indycals used to make decals. But when he transferred to a different printer that he used to print his decals,
00:35:12
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the Alps printer that he started out with and used for many years had the capability of printing metallics. It was like toners and metallics and even white. His new printer is better, works better, a lot more reliable, but it can't print metallics. So some of the
00:35:40
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decal sheets that he's had for years. He's had to drop. The John Clare special. The car is blacked and called the markings on it, pinstriping. And now he can't do that. But you can probably find those from a Japanese company on the internet. Someone will make those decals. And just recently I came across a decal sheet for
00:36:31
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All right, well, least favorite thing about building
00:36:36
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What part of modeling, oh yeah, what part do you just kind of not look forward to? Well, the one thing that I've always hated, even though it's dead simple, you could do it totally mindless, is sanding. Part of sanding the blue scenes or sanding any modifications you do to sand,
00:37:05
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paint to polish it to smooth it out. I've always hated sand and I don't know why because like you said it's a minus almost activity and you could do it watching TV but always
00:37:25
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Yeah, I kind of like that because you can watch TV. So, you know, usually if the kids want to watch something or Leah wants to watch something, I'll get a box of stuff and just cut stuff off the sprue and just a sand and putty of all the shows going on. And you can take it anywhere, like if I go up to the cabin or something. So I actually have a fair number of kids that are just in that process.
00:37:54
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Maybe it's a sound, you think it's a... No, I think it's more, you have to be real careful at certain points, because if you sand a little bit too much, oops, you've screwed up too far, kind of start it over again, if you can repair it. So it's just, I've never been good at it until more recently.
00:38:25
Speaker
Well, one of the things I'd agree with you on is the puttying part. If it's something you're putting and then sanding and then priming, that really gets on my nerves because it can be tedious because then the putty can sink back in and then you do it back over again and constantly just kind of spot primering until you get it. And if they're in hard areas, you know, and then sometimes even if it's areas where you wonder, is anybody even going to notice this?
00:38:52
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the Salvino's 70s chassis that had like the 11 big holes in there and then you're doing that and it's like, nobody's even going to look at the other side of the car, right? You know, that's always kind of a... I agree, but the problem is you hope nobody's going to look at it. Yeah. If you didn't do it, sure enough, somebody's going to pick it up and
00:39:18
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But then you feel like, oh, I'm just wasting my time here, feeling these 11 holes that are going to sink back in. Well, you know, one thing, I had some good news for you. I had already always gone through the 4,000 to 12,000 polishing thing. But then I'd heard like, some people say, just like, Jay Saveris just uses like a couple or even one
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And then with Claude's thing, where he was going through the methods, it was just one kind of real rough abrasive thing and then one smooth one. So when I was doing the Hooters car, I just started out with 3200 and I sanded everything 3200 after the clear.
00:40:05
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And then I went through the polishing with the waxes, and I used the different ones that Claude went through with the different rubbing compounds, and then mostly the Maguire products, and then the CX something, the last one on there, but only used one grip, 3200, and I like the way that looked.
00:40:31
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But again, you're using it, and I used a lot of the different compounds with my little electric toothbrush method that I added on there, electric toothbrush. And we'll be going into that, you know, because I think as the summer goes on, we're going to start our Chasing the Gloss series. And we're going to talk about different methods and bring in some of the painters who can really
00:40:56
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put those mirror-like finishes on and maybe pick their brains for some of their secrets. It is a tedious thing. I can agree with you on some of that as far as the sanding and prepping parts and especially the kit too. If you have some just like humongous flash lines or
00:41:22
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to glue a lot of the things together and putty those. It's a pretty common one, I think, that people don't like. All right, so do you build for pleasure or competition? Well, I build for pleasure. It always has to be something that I like. And fortunately, when I finish a model,
00:41:50
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well it turned out or otherwise, I still enjoy just looking at it. That's the whole, really the primary reason that I build. A lot of people, they like the construction, the whole building process. I like looking at it when it's done. That's that.
00:42:18
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loving any type of miniature as long as it's well done. And that's what gets me through the whole build is I want to be able to sit and look at it and enjoy the fact that it turned out okay. Yeah, that magical five seconds when you get it, and it maybe isn't 100% complete, but it's like 95%, maybe you haven't done the side measures of them, but that first time you get it in its completed form,
00:42:48
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And like when you fit the chassis over the body, or the body over the chassis, and you just kind of, you put it on the table, you kind of take a step back. And it's in those first five seconds where the car either has you, like yes, or it's like, it's just not what I thought it would be. Maybe the stance isn't right, or it just doesn't pop, for whatever reason.
00:43:12
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Um, but yeah, it's that first five seconds where you just need it. And now sometimes I've gone back and it's not as bad as I thought it was, but it still is just all past or failed in that first five seconds. It's an instant satisfaction and you know it or you don't know it. You know it right away. It's like, okay, that works really good. And then you go, okay, is this worth fixing? It's just a model. I can build another one. You know, and you have to go, if it's going to require a lot of work, no, I'm not going to mess with this. You know, and move on.
00:43:41
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That's not for me the one kind of spoiler and it's down to my personality. No matter how well it turned out, other people will say compliment it, but I always see those little things that didn't go quite right or little oops or mistakes somewhere.
00:44:09
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just jumps out at me, and I try to ignore them as best I can, and sometimes I'm successful, but that's painful. We're all our own risk critics. Yes. Some people, unfortunately, aren't, and we run into them at contests. Sure, sure. People get mad because they didn't win the award. They thought they should.
00:44:38
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Yeah, yeah. And we know that. That is unfortunate. You know, because I would say that I my competition is trying to build the next car better than than I did the previous one or taking what I learned and doing that. But if I had to say my least favorite thing as I'm thinking about packing stuff up from Milwaukee, it's packing everything up and doing all the paperwork for a contest.
00:45:08
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Do it beforehand this time, so you don't have to do it right away. Right off all the cards, it's set to go.
00:45:39
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Moving forward, like for the Nordicon, I want to just basically display or build for collections. Just build different collections. Sometimes it takes the fun out of stuff. It certainly does. Cameron and I have both been to the Nationals and we've judged at these things and I've done it two or three times now and it's amazing the attitude of something.
00:46:09
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It's, you know, it's not the whole thing. We don't need to get in and out. But I mean, it's just people are just, people are people. It's just, it's too bad sometimes. Yeah. Well, you know, a couple of weeks ago, I went golfing and I hadn't really golfed, uh, I golfed one time in the last 25 years. And when I was in my twenties, I really, uh, got fed up with, uh, you know, I had, you know, where you hit it and then it slice off this.
00:46:37
Speaker
And I really just, my competitiveness got the better of me and it took the fun out. And a couple weeks ago I went golfing with some friends and they had to tell me, you know, it's asking constantly, what should I use this nine iron or this or this or wedge? But I had such a better time because I was not competing. I wasn't trying. It wasn't if I missed a shot, I missed a shot.
00:47:05
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If I swung and missed a boy and hit more grass than ball, that's a big deal. There's not a lot of things that get better with age as your body's breaking down and your eyesight's going and stuff, but your mental approach can be better sometimes. I agree. All right, so what model or award, now that we're all non-competitive, what award or model are you most proud of?
00:47:35
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It's hard to say, a couple years ago, a model that I had done, we have our club contest every November, which is basically everyone in the club. Grains and Panthers are sure. Every model that they've built since the last club contest. And the model that I have today,
00:48:10
Speaker
But I was amazed when it got pulled into this competition card. There were several other models I thought were better. I was very grateful to the balloon hat. It was more the
00:48:36
Speaker
idea that the club members were saying, you know, I don't think it was the best model in the category. Well, you should be amazed. It's a fantastic looking car. And there were, to tack on to that, there was 50 cars in that category. And there were a lot of these cars. Doug Long had some cars, Torbitt made cars, a lot of these cars, you know, and yours.
00:49:06
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years to step and we jumped off the table. You know, I mean, it's a very nice model. The fact that it came from the club. That's important. Yeah. Well, you know, the popular boat always has some head scratchers, but you know, the people in the RPM club are all build race cars and know what they're doing. So, you know, to get an award from your colleagues and stuff.
00:49:35
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I know what you're saying. I think we've already talked about it. I think people are probably sickening about me. We were talking about when I won the Alan Kawicki award. That was really, you're talking about winning awards. That was the only award I'd made your show that was for just NASCAR. Now they've even adjusted it to where it's just
00:50:05
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related to what Mike Dowd, who was a really good builder, who built NASCAR, but also built a lot of mold parts. And so I think it's gone to mostly mold parts. But for a long time, it was just stock cars, the best stock car. And so that was with as many NASCAR as I built, certainly something I wanted to win. And so the funny thing, it was driven by sibling rivals.
00:50:33
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And you talk about not really being a competitive builder. Well, my brother and I decided to both build these Lagunas. And actually, he was going to build the one he never built another. But he took the one I wanted to build. I wanted to build the Gatorade there at Wall Trip Chevy Laguna, which the car is driven in 75. It got outlawed for being too good, the aerodynamic advantage.
00:51:03
Speaker
But it was originally an MPC kit, and then it was reissued by model kit. So somewhere in 2011, we were both going to go to the Nationals in Ohio, the N and L Nationals. And so he was building the Gatorade car, and I was going to build the Kings Row Benny Parsons car that he won the Daytona 500 in. And so then I said, I tried to really outdo my brother there.
00:51:33
Speaker
And so in doing that, then it brought me up to a level enough to where I could, that I won the Allen Corky award, which I was really happy to get. And so I think I said that, and I can die happy. There's nothing really, I really want to win beyond that. Yes, I have to live to be 300 years old.
00:52:04
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So yeah, I know that that was that was really cool. And actually that's about building this Hooters car. Glenn had won the year before. And so and now that particular word you had to build you build the trophy for the next year. And so he has built 132nd Hooters truck for that. So cool. And he was real happy to get that
00:52:32
Speaker
All right, well, we got, speaking of kits, is there a Holy Grail out there? Something that you've been chasing that you could, that almost no amount of money is in here would be, oh yeah, that is a kit. My Holy Grail's cart always wanted us to be able to set a model
00:53:02
Speaker
all came from, were cars that were raised. When I, around the time I started building, really got into racing. And there's four Holy Grails that have been at the top of the list. One was Portia 917, that one in 1973.
00:53:39
Speaker
I ended up getting that model factory hero kit that I'm totally afraid of trying to build. And you should be. Because that company's kits are notoriously difficult, fully detailed.
00:54:02
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1972 Bobby Unserve's Colsonite Eagle that smashed the Indy pole position speed record by 17 miles an hour from the previous speed record. Bobby Allison, that's one of Bob's favorite records. And I was able to get
00:54:31
Speaker
a 25th scale kit of that in Bresson from Silver City Models. And I haven't started that, but it's one of those at the top of my list. The two cars of the four that have been my Holy Royals that I haven't gotten are
00:54:59
Speaker
Jackie Stewart's 1973 grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand
00:55:29
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Japanese company a couple years ago announced that they were going to be making a 20-scale model of that car. Several years, two and a half or more years later, they still have not made it. A couple years ago, I even sold that resin model of the two
00:55:59
Speaker
eBay seller in our club, you know, thinking, well, it's going to be released in plastic, a better kit soon. Well, now the company, the news is out there. The company is, the parent company is going back. So the likelihood that that kit is ever going to be released is gashed to the floor. But the fourth
00:56:28
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of my holy grails is the 1972 or 73 Ferrari 312 PB endurance racer type of race cars that win at the Le Mans 24 hour race and the closest I've come to it is I don't go on eBay that often but one time I was browsing it
00:56:56
Speaker
And there was a kit that had been released about 10, 15 years before that I'd seen advertised. And I talked myself out of buying it because of the price and had regretted it ever since. So I put in a maximum bid on eBay. And last second, watching the very end of the bid, last second,
00:57:26
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My date got beaten by like $1.50. Oh, that's heartbreak. Heartbreak hotel. Over $150. Yeah. Oh, well. I tried. There's your four. A week later, I, for one, some reason I was looking at eBay again and that same very, that very same kit was up for auction again.
00:57:52
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And this time I put in a higher maximum bid. And sure enough, last second, I got outbid by maybe $2.25. And I thought, well, I must not be meant to have it. That's OK. But silver lining, the money I saved that I would have paid to buy that kit,
00:58:23
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a couple weeks later. He sent to Africa to save some Starbucks. No, better than that. Cool to guard, man. A race car model being sent out an email to all the people that signed up for email updates saying that Model Factory was re-issuing, which they almost never did.
00:58:54
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a K&M card, that was one of my other goals. And because I didn't win that auction for that property, I have the new tool. Still got one. Okay, nice, nice. All right, well, is there a new tool kit that you would, if you could tool up a new kit?
00:59:28
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I would have to say it would be between those two. Okay. Awesome. All right. Well, how many miles do you think you've built?
00:59:53
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Over the years, I'd probably say I've built maybe 80, maybe a little bit more, some of those that I built when I was a kid or a young adult. I still have these pieces in boxes, because I can't bring myself to throw the hopes away. But since I got back into the model,
01:00:24
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very, very slow. I've finished about 15 years. I've finished four months, so I don't get a whole lot. Well, how many unbuilt kits would you say you have? The last time I counted, it was about approaching 240
01:00:49
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Well, with four kits in 15 years, it sounds like you maybe have been in a slump. So when you get into a slump, what's something to get you out of it? Well, the thing that's worked the best since I had drawn her piece are the different challenges that has a better part of the club contesting.
01:01:18
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four challenges with friends. Mom and I had a couple of challenges. Shame works really good, too. Yeah, shame and guilt. So yeah, I went to a Catholic school. I think we're all about that. The last one I finished was last year. It was one that Mom gave me. And it was in a challenge, qualified for the challenge. And then Bob said,
01:01:53
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Well, last episode we were talking about Indy 500 winners and I kind of stumped Bob, but the guy that we need is Cameron. And so last time I was asking Bob, how many Indy 500 winners can you build without going to rest?
01:02:18
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It's styrene, mass-produced kits. Okay, so not, is that Silver City? No. Well, you've had the opportunity to have time to think about this. This is, I haven't heard this question until just tonight. But trying to think, I've had the 1965 and 1985
01:02:48
Speaker
These are winners or just cars? Winners. So the 1965 winner is the model that I bought and I finished the plastic kit. It's the 1964 winner. 1963 winner.
01:03:18
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98 winner the 68 winner has been kitted and what was that? Okay, now they kitted it with the decals. Yeah, they did okay Although trying to find that But Although it's a resin there have been a couple of
01:04:06
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Oh, okay. Oh, okay.
01:04:16
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of John Rutherford, 1975 winner of Bobby Unser's Wholesome Night in the Gold, which is a very, very inactive. Very inactive, yeah. Who did that? EMT. EMT did that. So what would you have to fix for that? All of it? All of it. Chassis is too tall.
01:04:48
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Suspension is bad. The shape of the bones is bad. I can't find the camera. Well, I was happy to because there are some conversion problems that use that. Is that one that Scott had? No. So then the 79 there. Rick Mirrors.
01:05:36
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Did you have to do any convert? It was just decals? Besides decals.
01:05:47
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What such is what? A lot of crap. Let's keep moving. That's the last seven. I don't want to go into the last seven. I'll bring it to Milwaukee up next. After that, you didn't get so many targets. Tamiya did some 20-scale ones, and they're not winners.
01:06:12
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I think there isn't any in the 90s. And we need that plastic and you go into the 2000s. The Alex Cenardi? It's the target. You're winning the 500 and you won the championship. Maybe a whole bunch of those Indy cars, but none of them were the Indy cars. And then as you go into the 2000s, it's... Yes. Okay.
01:06:43
Speaker
I went by decades, and if you're including resin, you could build something from every decade if you had resin or the old Aurora kits. We saw those at AKA Collectibles, and there was the Wilbur Shaw Maserati's. There was the Wilbur Boyle Specials. There was a bunch of old workers, but the goal for
01:07:05
Speaker
Are they accurate? Well, the wheels look like they were on a wagon train. I mean, they're ugly, but the bodies aren't bad. They're very expensive. You just reminded me that in 1955, a kit, monogrammed, it was one of I believe monogrammed's first plastic kits in 1955. I remember that kit.
01:07:37
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You can kind of do it. Which, oddly enough, is a pink and off-white car. It's a John Zink Special, yes. Oh, nice. But for Resin, you can do... Chris Edsel, the late great Chris Edsel, did a whole bunch of cars. And they're almost all indie winners. So he did one from the 12th, three from the 20s. He didn't do any in the 30s. He did a Watson Roadster, Roger Ward's winner in the 59.
01:08:06
Speaker
And then there was a long gap. And he did some of the IRL ones. He did the Kenny Brett car. He did the Eddie Cheever car. And then he did the one Pablo Montoya car from 2000. And then he passed away. So there's a lot of resin. Cameron has a lot of information on that. There's a lot of indie cars you can build from resin stuff. And if you go to 43rd.
01:08:36
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Well, and kudos to the Salvinos now, who you'll build in a very short time, Joseph Newgarden. And then they were also talking about going back, and because of the rights, Casada went back with the... Yeah, so, and then also... And the guy that climbs it, it's Casternan.
01:09:03
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He won, I think it was 2000 or 2001. At the end of the next, he won 10 or 11, somewhere in there, somewhere in there.
01:09:26
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Yeah, so they may go back and do it. So they were saying that Rick mentioned that, but they were going to do those and then whoever wins it this year. So all of a sudden, it would be good for the winners. I would like to do the Marcus Erikson. Red and white. Husky chocolate scheme would be really cool. Yeah, it's going to be so cool. It's the nice thing about them here.
01:09:52
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because it's a spec series of all the teams use the same color. Yeah. Voila. It gives you a lot of the songs as in decals and other decal inventors. Our leasing kits are decals, going to be able to build. However many decals stay. Well, and then, like Torvin could build, how many nuclear barrels?
01:10:22
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How many new Mustangs? Oh yeah, this guy's the limit. Unfortunately the curse is that it takes so long to build them. And the IndyCar ones, everything is the price, they're going to be 80 bucks a pop. We've got three in order now, Cameron Iron and other guys. But I mean, I don't know if I want to build two more 80 dollar kits, but I've got all these other kits I want to build. So if I build one and be happy with that,
01:10:46
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I'll wait for the auction five years from now. I'll buy it for $10. No, that's not going to happen. No, it'll never come down that low. No, no, no. I console myself in thinking that it's $120 a scale. You know, $70, $80 retail for it. But the only modern indie cars that have been released on the contract
01:11:35
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I mean, and you see there's a couple, there's a couple of rare, like we call fully grails.
01:11:44
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There's a 12th scale STP Turbine car. That is the, that's the front of the Jones car that almost won the race. But there's one of those by Bandai that's extremely weird to get a hold of. In this, there's Murray and Drudy's Barnard Hawk in 16th scale, 1966 car. He goes out and put up a pole. And these are, and now what's coming out is that 20th scale kit from Salvino's, allegedly. You know, you talked about that. Yeah. Yeah.
01:12:15
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So they're saying they may do the turbine kit, or I'll find out. No, it's 38. No, it's 64. Yes. I'll be happy with that. Now, those will be a little more expensive. All right. So, yes. And they'll be working. One of the things I struggled with over the years is a mental limit
01:12:45
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on the cost of a kit, and there have been plenty of kits in resin and so on that I would love to have. Some of them are Indy cars, but if the kit price is over $100, I struggle to justify it to myself. But really, when it comes down to a lot of those kits, that price is becoming more normal.
01:13:16
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Yeah. For the price of anything, I just got back to the grocery store and it is not like, there's a maybe four or five, it took me two trips. It's not like I'm Hercules carrying the whole thing. It took me two trips and it's $250. And I wasn't buying caviar or filet mignon, you know, stuff like that. You go out to eat, it's $100.
01:13:44
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I mean, it's so, everything's expensive. You know, you only live once. We're on the right side of the grass. We're all day to day. You know what? If it's really, if it's something that's tugging at your heartstrings, go for it. Exactly. That's what I'm trying. In fact, I just transferred money into a hobby checking account today.
01:14:11
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Oh wow, a set for Kevin and Kevin. To finally order it was released over a year and a half ago. A 12-scale 3D printed car. If any of you have seen the 1971 movie, Le Mans with Steve's features. It's the car, the race car that Steve drives.
01:14:39
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It's a Porsche 917. It's a Porsche 917, no Porsche. And somebody, a guy in Germany, released a 3D printed full detail 12-scale kit of that for $200.00, where, model factor hero, they released the same kit, same scale, and it's approaching $800.00. So, $200.00 for, well, you
01:15:08
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It's really nice on the website, so I'm about ready to finally pull the trigger. I think the one thing about IndieCars is we have so many good aftermarket companies that help us. IndieCals, especially, because he does most of the winners. And then Cameron has a whole list of different companies. There's Silver City models, there's Land Cellars, Resin,
01:15:37
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You know, you've got a whole bunch of people that help you fix up some of those older, because you know, you and I, all of us have been to shows where you pick and pick because you guys are 10 bucks a pop, right? Yeah. Because not a lot of people build it. Yeah. You know, and then you can, you know, go from there. So, I mean, you know. In fact, one of the, it's just one guy holding
01:16:02
Speaker
Making conversions, sex, to be able to turn some of those older IndyCar kids into different versions, different race winners and so on. And his company is named Classic Racing Resin. If you Google that, you'll find it. He's got several dozen IndyCar. They're either full kits,
01:16:36
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It's a great, it's a great friend to us, you know, from the initial old, old monogram 1955 Curtis, looks like a Curtis Craft Homester. You can build numerous Curtis Crafts with his stuff from that cheap old kit, plastic terrace and plastic. I mean, it's crude, but the body shape is pretty good. So this wasn't a long time.
01:17:01
Speaker
No, the lockdown, no, no, no, no. It was in that same era. I'm showing my lack of knowledge. Yeah, it's a same era. There's one other, I have one, one other resin cast, who's really been doing the indie car modeling fans great service. His name is Kevin Kuzma, and his company is named Silver City Models. He has several mentions.
01:17:31
Speaker
Indy cars and other old and new race cars from the 60s and 70s and so on. If you're interested in Indy cars, check those two out. Classic racing resins and silver seen ones. Who was the guy that did, he did a ton of Indy cars and he doesn't do them anymore. Not Chris Edselman, who's the guy? Lance Sellars. Lance Sellars, right, he did a whole bunch of Indy cars. He did a bunch of 38s.
01:18:02
Speaker
He did, but I mean, they're difficult to find. And if you find them, of course, they're ludicrously expensive. With the new Indy car kits, I'll be interested to see how many they make, because it's a pretty narrow market. I believe all back to the hobby shops, Torben and I and Cameron. The Selvino kits, there's a lot of them in these shops. And I think people go, 48 bucks. Yeah. 80 bucks for the Indy cars.
01:18:30
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I mean that's, we were getting an email, I wonder if they're going to be at the shops, you know? Yeah, it'll be interesting. What's a field, social field? They're going to start showing up in the shops? Yup. Because they can count on people, not all their customers,
01:18:50
Speaker
It'll just be interesting to see how many they do. Well, I know the guy at the dungeon had said that he had stopped. He hasn't sold enough of the Salvino's kits. But it seems like at Hub Hobby they still have the newer ones. But they still have a lot. They do have a lot. And it was kind of jarring that I can't remember exactly what Tom Finch
01:19:17
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I think it was maybe 15 or 17 for that Kyle Larson one. And those are on the shelves, you know, on the website they're 54 and they're on the shelves for like 40. So, you know, we talk about supply and demand and we've gone to a lot of shows and at the Omaha show, one person had a black Hooters Camaro. But then even at Milwaukee, which, you know, you think it's a lot of race fans there.
01:19:47
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Other than, you know, I had the Lugano car there last year. I have not seen a lot of the new ones built up, you know. So, it'll be interesting to see. All we can say is, for the sake of IndyCar fans, IndyCar modelers, modelers in general race cars, is if you can afford it, buy at least one of these. It'll help you keep going.
01:20:17
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It'll encourage them to do more. I tell myself that I'm in the club and this month's one was the Tim Richmond car. It's not that it's not a great car, but I've built it already. A lot of times I get stuff that I've already built, but I do tell myself that it's going for a good cause that these guys are doing.
01:20:45
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new stuff that nobody else, you know, like we joke about it and I guess we didn't get to, but hopefully we'll get to it in a few minutes with the new kits coming out. Everyone else has a one or two, you know, but Salvino's is at least, you know, coming out with a lot of new things, you know. And you made a great point at one time, you said, we kind of joke with guys who are collectors. Yeah. And by and by a bunch of stuff. We were just recently with a guy who's an airplane
01:21:14
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He's probably built one model since I've known him. But he's just spent hundreds of dollars in England at a shop. Just spent hundreds of dead blood. So he's clearly a collector. Like you say, those are people that help the hobby. They're preserving the hobby. They've got tons of kits. It's like, OK. The attitude that I developed over time
01:21:43
Speaker
You may not build it right away or ever, but you want to build it. You can't unless you've got a model. And way too many times, since I started building at age 13, that I've talked myself out of buying such and such a model that I really would have liked to add.
01:22:08
Speaker
And I'll be able to buy it later. I don't have to buy it now. Well, later when I think about and want to buy it, guess what isn't. That's right. Yeah. Well, and one of the quotes I like is, life is about the journey, not the destination. And so while we ultimately have this goal of getting it on the shelf, but you get a certain amount of joy in buying it.
01:22:37
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And then you get a certain kind of joy in researching and looking it up and thinking about how you're, what you want to paint, you know, what, what paint scheme you want to do, or what if it's a factory car, uh, what color you want to do it in. And then, um, you know, just opening the box and imagining that. And so even if it doesn't get built, it's giving you some, some enjoyment.
01:23:01
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Absolutely, absolutely. And then you look at the guy who Scott bought out a couple of years ago. Jim Van Dyke. Jim Van Dyke. And he, you know, so it's about, you know, I don't know, something like $50,000, right, or something that he got. Okay. And so, but what if the guy was just drinking or, you know, or gambling or wasting money. I'm sure his kids weren't thrilled about him having that many kids all around his house.
01:23:33
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It's probably something out of orders. I didn't have the pleasure of going into that. Oh my god. I didn't have the pleasure and it was, oh my god. But it's a little bit of an investment. I know most significant others, I'm just gonna throw it all in the garbage and he passes away. But he could be worse.
01:23:54
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like you said, they got some money for it. So what about the new kits coming out? Alright, let's see if I can find it here. New kits.
01:24:15
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Well, uh, the round two, uh, was a little light that, that wonderful video they have on YouTube where they start out, I think it's a 71 Mustang pulls them and, uh, they have a 62 Pontiac. This time it's got a new nose, maybe for drag race and a lighter nose. Yeah. Same, uh, same one that we had one or two at the auction.
01:24:41
Speaker
Yeah. Two. Then they have a Nova wagon, the Boss Nova, which is kind of a gasser, kind of the engines in the middle of the cars that come back. And then they have a Kenwood. So that, you know, say what you want about Salvino's, but at least they're bringing out a bunch of new stuff. This is what we have from round two. Now, Campman sent me pictures of a 17 ship bill that they're redoing.
01:25:11
Speaker
And possibly they're coming out with a 64 ship bill in the near future One that really piqued my interest was a Mobius Dino Don Maverick looks really cool, but think about Mobius is a good thing is they really sweat the details most of time And not not necessarily
01:25:37
Speaker
I got it on my list, so look out, look out. It's so funny how motivation works, and that's kind of what Mobius does too, because they check and recheck and they want to make sure they get it right. So when they announced that, and it was so long ago, my daughter was pretty little and seeing the movie's cars, so I was even debating on the first one, I was going to build Doc.
01:26:05
Speaker
Right. You know, now she's 20 years old. But it took a while to get out. And then by the time it got out, then I didn't build it. And then people built it right away. And then you kind of lose motivation from that. And then another issue was a legitimate gripe. Why didn't you do the herb topless one? Because that's the one I really wanted to build. I think you won two championships.
01:26:31
Speaker
But the Marshall T. Carl was a really famous car too. Yeah. Yeah. And they did a Tim Flock one. So one of these days, one of these days I will get it built. But back to new kits from Mobius and then also in the distant future, I think early 2025. So 2025, early 2025.
01:27:00
Speaker
A C10 Chevy truck, short box. We're getting way ahead of ourselves now. But then Salvino, this month they came out with a Tim Richmond Folgers car. And then they are also coming out with a fair number of new schemes. They did do the Daytona winner of William Byron car.
01:27:26
Speaker
And then another William Byron car they announced was the one in one Martinsville. Martinsville happened to be the 40th anniversary for Hendrick. So evidently Ruby, maybe it's a 40th anniversary thing or something, because all the Hendrick cars were painted in a real cool Ruby kind of. Interesting. What is the color Ruby, like the pinky-apple kind of Ruby? Yeah, it's a real pretty color. So all the paint schemes
01:27:55
Speaker
And so they did all four of the Hendrik cars in that, and William Byron won that race, so they're doing that car, which looks awful slick too. What was Kantman talking about was the best way to get that kind of finish was to paint, was it metallic silver and then a clear color of red over that? It was either gloss aluminum or, I can't remember.
01:28:22
Speaker
I'll have to ask him. Maybe you can phone in our YouTube chat. If you want it to be somewhat shiny, you don't want it to be dull. Yeah, shiny. The shinier it is, the more the candy.
01:28:40
Speaker
So the Indy cars are supposed to be out soon. They're on the boat, you said. I don't want to get past this Kyle Petty 711 car also. And they did the both Neil Bonnet Darryl Waltrip Budweiser cars for 84. But yes, and then as far as the Indy cars, you have the Joseph Newgarden Indy winner, Takuma Sato 2023 car.
01:29:06
Speaker
Scott McLaughlin who won today in Alabama, but this car is a Pennzoil car And then for this year and oh, that's another NASCAR. They did they did the Kyle Larson McLaren NASCAR scheme, but then they're also gonna do the Kyle Larson Indy car It is the same kind of color scheme and I'm really glad because I you know, it's been a really, you know winning car and
01:29:33
Speaker
But it's just such a, for me anyway, boring paint scheme. Thehendrick.com, one that he runs every week. Yes. And so this one at least added some orange to it. So it's very similar to the Indy one. Because when you watch even the race today, I watched one of the Alabama race at my son's house and some great looking paint schemes. Well, yeah, Joseph Newgarden's phone was kind of cool. He got knocked off the track. The PPG one is of light blue and white.
01:30:03
Speaker
Alex Polow had a green, really bright green one, which is really cool looking. Yeah, there's some great looking skins. So, it'll be interesting. And who was the AJ Foyt car last year? Frucci. Frucci. He had the AJ on it car. That one. And there's a rookie that was doing good today too. Rasmussen. I think it was Rasmussen or what.
01:30:31
Speaker
I know there was one working finished third, he was on volume actually. He was good. I can't think of nothing of the foreign manufacturers. I don't know anything from Tanya that's coming out. Rumors here and there of things. Well and then the multimedia load is 38. They haven't really given a date on when those are coming out and the load is 64.
01:30:58
Speaker
And then way in the future, the Plymouth Superbird is supposed to be here in December, January, which probably means March of 2025. Oh, a Davey Allison 87 Thunderbird. These are, again, monogrammed pre-releases. But it would be... Is it a black one? It's a white and black one. The one I built, again, I feel like I've built a lot of these that they've come out. You know, I built it.
01:31:26
Speaker
The Bobby Allison, Teflon, Pontiac, Le Mans, then they kidded it, the Mountain Dew card. One thing, though, that we're so fortunate is the aftermarket decal industry. Totally. That just opens up.
01:31:51
Speaker
of the possibility of all these kits that are being released, some of them not interested in the sponsor or the team, buy a decal sheet and there you go. Well, that's another thing that Salvino's has done too, you know, like when they did the Bill Elliott 87 Thunderbird and a lot of people, oh, I got the decals or I built that or this or that, but then, you know,
01:32:19
Speaker
They came out with, Powerslide came out with decals to do the Ricky Rudd 15 car, the Kyle Petty car. And so it generates a lot of new decals as well when they do these cars. And they did the Pontiac 2 Plus 2 and the Pontiac Le Mans. Then there's a lot more decals that are out there that wouldn't have been out there. That's helped me know that. I just finished the Petty Torino.
01:32:48
Speaker
And on that same sheet was the Pete Hamilton Superbird. So I'm like, I'll eventually give that to you. But I mean, you know, it's because I probably won't be able to get the Hamilton car. But, you know, it's, yeah. It's a 500 or a 100, yeah. So I'm trying to get the other one. The other manufacturers that are big, they're coming out with stuff. I know Cameron likes these a lot. It's the Nudu.
01:33:18
Speaker
They're kind of all the same company. And they're doing a bunch of 935s. This is the crack cocaine for Cameron. And I'm waiting for the Hawaiian Tropic Car that Paul Newman wrote, finished second at Le Mans in 1979. And they've got a bunch of different Porsches coming out, different rally cars. So that's new stuff, too. Funny you shouldn't mention that.
01:33:48
Speaker
Really? Was that the guy that was on the Dale Jr. podcast? One of them was a fascinating story of a guy.
01:34:17
Speaker
We need to remember they ran drugs. And there was a couple of other John Paul Sr. and a ran drugs. Reese's expensive. Yeah, absolutely. No, I think this guy had maybe finished sixth in the Indy five. He had to have to go back.
01:34:42
Speaker
Oh, you know, one thing we didn't mention with the Indy winners, do you guys ever, you probably have no interest in the pace cars? No. All right. Well, um, I'll go through this real quick for the other people. I always kind of liked it cause it's a combination of a stock vehicle, but also a race car. Um, so just off the top of my head here.
01:35:05
Speaker
You got the 53 Ford which is a limber kit you built that just not as an indie one 55 Chevy a monogram kit 64 Mustang I have a 67 Camaro promo It cost me $100, but I could you could build a page 67 pace car with that and Katie did decals for all those 69 Camaro monogram kit 72 cutless that just came out
01:35:35
Speaker
with that. It's one of those new, one of the new Ravel kits before they, you know, went to Ravel, Germany only that kind of has creeped up there, you know, because some of those kits like the Nicky Camaro, the Saksa Martin, 70 Kuda, that they may or may not redo again have kind of gone up. And that was, that's one of them that seems to have gone up. 78 Corvette has been
01:36:05
Speaker
on and off all, you know, they probably reissued it several times. 79 Mustang, 81 Trans Am, 82 Camaro, 86 Vet, 93 Mustang, and 95 Vet are all ones that I have with like one day. Focus, focus. I know, I know, I gotta focus. One of our buddies, Tom Thorne, has built a big slew of those.
01:36:32
Speaker
What he even has a resin of, one of them has a big mercury, whether it's 59 mercury or 58, somewhere in there. They had a big mercury and he had the resin ones. He sold me a few of them. That was one that he was hanging on to. And he pays cuts. And what a great month made us, because you start with the Kentucky Derby and then you end with the Indy 500. And then hopefully,
01:37:02
Speaker
At some point, our weather will turn around. It's been really wet weekend, that's all. We made up for the winter. We made up for the mild winter. We did. We did. But new to me was the Corvette Grand Sport that I got at the auction. And I would feel like I missed out if I had the Oracle here and I didn't ask for the history of the Corvette Grand Sport. Well, I'm not an expert on it.
01:37:35
Speaker
Chevy decided that they wanted to promote the company and they put a lot of money into if they told one of their engineers, we want to win it. And his name was Zora Arkes-Dumtoff and he's a legend in
01:38:02
Speaker
race cars and Corvette. He made this Corvette Grand Sport to challenge Carol Shelby's Cobra race cars in the early 60s. And they didn't make a whole lot of them, but for fans of road racing, especially in the 60s,
01:38:30
Speaker
They're legends, the cars are legends. So it's, the kit has done surprisingly well of the Accurate Miniature's car lines. Probably the one that, easily the one that's been built. You don't see a lot of them built. No, you don't see a lot of them. I've seen two of the McLarens built in our area. I think the Corvettes, I know Hugh has built one, I built one.
01:39:01
Speaker
They're not a fun kit to build. They're a hard kit to build. But they're buildable. And Chevy cut the thin funding off as they were getting the car kind of up to speed. It wasn't handling really well. It was a full shift with the hammering on. No more money. And so then the car is just languished. But it was a noble attempt at a... I don't know that it actually won and he actually raised, I think it
01:39:28
Speaker
One, what's it, the one that went to Cuba or something? Either Cuba or Nassau. Nassau, they did one on race down. And they led various races and they were fast, but they weren't reliable. They didn't handle as well as the Cobras. And because Corbett had gotten butt kicked by the Cobras. Once the Cobras came in in 63 and 64, they just walloped the bets. And then, like you said, they said, no, we can't have that, right? Yeah.
01:39:58
Speaker
Well, and it's funny, I look at the parallels between accurate miniatures and salvinos. And certainly salvinos took a lot of punches for some of their accuracy.
Business Models and Marketing Strategies
01:40:12
Speaker
And we talked about the pinhole marks, the chassis on how accurate they were for the one to one cars. But I think they had a business model of had a certain price point and they weren't going to go above that.
01:40:28
Speaker
And they identified that how much do modelers really care about, you know, anything other than curbside, what you see curbside. And it kind of paid off that, you know, I think that maybe some things went their way as far as made the pandemic certainly helped them. The way they market their club and their show every Saturday puts a human base to things.
01:40:57
Speaker
You know, they're really smart in getting Clay Kemp and Jay Savarese involved who are fantastic builders and have a lot of credibility. And if anybody could make that gray ghost look good, you know, Clay Kemp building that on the cover of Scale Auto really helped them get going. But, you know, compared to, you know, accurate miniatures who really got down in the weeds and really tried to build like competition, quality, whatever cars, and then they built two.
01:41:26
Speaker
And they were going to come out with a, what, 98 Ford Tourist from NASCAR. It was supposed to be super great. Super great, super detailed. But then, you know, as much as we grab about, you know, accuracy and the serious builders, how much, uh, how much money are you going to make as a business off of just the serious builders? Right. You know, they also thought they were going to do a 20 scale Watson Roadster.
01:41:54
Speaker
which would have like, he just lost it right there from it. But there was rumors that they were doing these other cars on them. But like you say, when they couldn't get the NASCAR's off the line, and this was the height of NASCAR building, you know, because they were going to do a Monte Carlo too, you know, and they were like, and do these super detailed ones. And it's like, NASCAR guys were like, what? And they had test shots of it and stuff. And then it never, it couldn't sell. I mean, people bought the McLarens.
01:42:28
Speaker
That's the one thing I was thinking about it earlier. South Nino's coming out with this Indy car. One thing that I've read online, a lot of people saying, oh no, 20th scale. All the other Indy car kits are typically 125th scale.
01:42:52
Speaker
a few monograms in the 24 scale. There was only one or two others in the cars that were produced in 20 scale to 67 turbine. But I'm heartened by the fact that Salvino's, they
01:43:21
Speaker
They've been playing it real smart. I believe if anybody can make an IndyCar kit like this and do it successfully, they're the ones that are, they're the best position to be able to do that. Yeah. And they're also talking with the NHRA about doing a few, wow, Toyota
01:43:50
Speaker
because they're already with Toyota with NASCAR for the funny car. So that could be in the near future too. I think what helps is Rick Salvino's dad was Ralph Salvino who was obviously a business person and having that business background. And they had a couple other businesses before that. So I think that business sense. And also he really is a model builder too.
01:44:16
Speaker
And so that has really helped with what they're doing. It's interesting also, it's amazing that Tamiya did two Indy cars in the 90s. They did the 1993 Lola's. And there was just one year. They did two versions of the Lola. One speedway and one road course version. And they did one in the Nigel Mansell. I'm already skiing the other in Raul,
01:44:45
Speaker
Now, with IndyCals, you can do a whole bunch of those cars. But they didn't sell. And they were great kids to build. They just weren't working together. And Tammy said, no, we're doing Formula One cars in 20th. We're going to do the Indy cars on this scale. And I think that's what Salvino's went with. Because they know that outside of the United States field, which is basically all of the rest of the world, 20 scale,
01:45:15
Speaker
for open wheel cars, race cars, is known and accepted. Most of a lot of the Formula One Grand Prix cars are... Yeah, so. Yeah. Well, I know Mike Klesick and Paul were not happy with the 120 scale. Do you think they'll change their tune and they refuse to build it? I don't think so. I don't know. We'll see them this coming weekend.
01:45:43
Speaker
Yes. And we can talk to them and I think it's not going to be, I think Mike would rather spend his money and get the new Ferrari that won the 100th running than for the mall. Okay. He can add to his closet of expensive rest. So, you know, we'll see.
Super Six Segment: Favorite Cars
01:46:10
Speaker
All right, well usually we end our show with the Super Six. We come up with our six things. The Super Six, well a top six list of what we did in movies at one point. Was it albums?
01:46:29
Speaker
All right, but you know, this is a car podcast and Tiny Cars is in the name. So six, and this is gonna be really hard to do, your six favorite cars of all time. Now, are you talking about any? One-to-one cars, anyone cars, one-to-one cars, anything, money is no option. If somebody granted you a wish, you get six cars.
01:46:59
Speaker
Any six cars, what would you go with? You should break it down to three, even as I did. Yeah. Six is tough. Go ahead. Well, I'd probably have to start with the four Holy Grail models that I talked about. So you're going race cars, too. I'm going to race cars, because now it has to be a race car for me to be interested in it.
01:47:29
Speaker
Having a plastic, easy to build, reasonably priced of those four would be wonderful. The others, I would have to say, Le Mans, winners, 24 hours of Le Mans winners. So where would you drive one of these? He's driving it to Costco. You wouldn't drive it to Costco. You're going to have your own track.
01:47:58
Speaker
It's one of your other wishes to drive it. Because if you can afford to obtain one of these cars, you've got the money to remain. Well, I've seen how you drive a minivan. I can only imagine what to do. Imagine. What do you mean, I'm not driving a race car? I'm just talking about it. Oh, lord. I don't know. I would have to go with famous race cars again.
01:48:28
Speaker
OK. Gurney's 67 Spa winner. The Eagle, a 55 Mercedes-Benz Formula One car. Probably a late 50s Ferrari Le Mans car, a Ferrari P4, probably a Porsche 917, and probably like a Bugatti Type 35B, something like that. You're up. OK. Wow.
01:48:53
Speaker
Well, I'm going to go with actual cars, street cars, I think. And I think even though I have gotten away from building muscle cars lately, I think if I had my choice, a 68 GTO carousel red would definitely be one of my cars.
01:49:19
Speaker
Probably a 70 Mustang grabber orange. You know, they say the 302 is handled better than the 429, but I don't know, it might go with 429, I think. Yeah. 70 Challenger, I think you'd have to have a Hemi in that, convertible.
01:49:45
Speaker
Mate, that's one of those two, definitely. The high impact colors are really cool. Even Plum Crazy would be really cool. You're talking about a Hemi Kuda convertible? The Challenger. I always liked the Challenger a little better. I know the Kudas probably are worth more, but I liked the Challenger. It was a really good... Oh, I think that was the Challenger.
01:50:09
Speaker
That was a challenge. Maybe 50 or something. And there was a Ferrari 275 GTB right next to it. It was far more money. In the middle. And they're looking at this thing and it's like, oh, okay, this is cool. It's like, come on. I understand now. So you have four? 70 Camaro with the Strider.
01:50:37
Speaker
Don't necessarily know the stripes. I do remember a hugger orange one with white stripes, I guess, so I'll go with it. Before, in the 68th, the cools... You know, that is really a tough... I think maybe just because you see so many of the first generation, that it's kind of just a little different, too. An 81 Trans Am. I know. And it's not even because of smoking the bandit, because I don't think I go with black.
01:51:10
Speaker
I remember a friend's mom had a blue one, and it was really cool. Do they still have big inches in the background too? They had the 6.6 liter. I mean, I'm sure they were detuned by 81, not very fast. And I love the interior. They had that, what do they call it? A polished steel kind of around the gauges.
01:51:38
Speaker
There's a term for engine torque. You mean like a Bugatti, an engine torque? Yeah, on the dashboard, around the great gauges. But not the gauges. It's kind of a swirl. Yeah, yeah, swirl.
Closing Remarks and Upcoming Shows
01:51:49
Speaker
And even in 64 Impala, the SSs had that kind of two. That would be another car. 64 Impala.
01:52:00
Speaker
Cool. Yeah, I know. It's pretty boring. I guess we had to go for a car. You can drive all those cars. Cameron and I couldn't drive any of these cars on the street. I like those Jaguar's, the one we saw at Road America. XKEs. Yeah. Oh, those are pretty nice. Those are really cool. I mean, I couldn't come up and say, hey, you're going to the meeting? Pick me up on the 956, OK? No, it's not going to happen. Yeah. Yeah, well, yeah.
01:52:29
Speaker
Yeah, well, thank you so much for joining us. And to anybody that's listening, thank you. Thank you for listening and joining us. And I hope you have a really great spring. We'll be back next month to tell you about the Milwaukee show and the N and L North show. Hopefully we'll be well into our indie kits and be able to talk about that. I'll try to get my Mario and Dready
01:52:59
Speaker
IndyCar done, the Kmart IndyCar done, and so I hope you join us for that. Thank you and have a good night. Bye bye.