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Episode 19
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Torben and Jim welcome summer in with discussions about the NNL North, Indy 500, and Back to the 50s shows, new releases, fighting off building slumps, and other events in the hobby.
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Introduction to Tiny Car Podcast
00:00:04
Torben Rothgeb
Welcome to the Tiny Car Podcast. This is your host, Torben Rothgeb, and my co-host, Bob Madrick, coming to you live from the Lake Street Studios in beautiful Minneapolis, the coolest city in the world.
00:00:17
Torben Rothgeb
All right. Well, hello, Tiny Car Podcast listeners. Summer is in full tilt, and so are we down here at the Tiny Car Podcast at the beautiful Lake Street Studios. a Happy Father's Day to all those fathers out there. I hope you had a really nice visit.
Father's Day Tribute and Creative Ashes Stories
00:00:35
Torben Rothgeb
um And we have ah Jim here. Bob is on special assignment today. Not suspension, but special assignment. um But he will be back for the next podcast. But we are lucky enough to have Jim back.
00:00:50
Torben Rothgeb
And ah Jim was just telling me a great Father's Day story or a story related to fathers. son Take it away, Jim. How you doing? I'm doing great. Thanks, Sorbin. Thanks for the invite. and yeah It's good to be here on a nice, well, it's little stormy right now, but it's been a nice summer so far, I think, weather-wise. Oh, beautiful. And we had beautiful weather back to the 50s, and we'll get to that in a little bit. But yeah, no, um this was kind of a Father's Day story, so to speak.
00:01:22
Torben Rothgeb
I was surfing the web on couple days ago, and I stumbled on Facebook, a guy... I follow a lot of model modelers, see what they're up to, what they're working on, all this stuff. And there's so much out there. It's, it's hard to, hard to keep track sometimes, but I found a guy that actually was building a model of a cab over truck, like a semi.
00:01:47
Torben Rothgeb
And what he was doing was his, his father was an over the road trucker and he built this replica of his truck And then his father had passed away, and so he had taken some of the ashes from the urn that his father had and put them in the cab of the truck while he was building it. So it was kind of a work in progress that he was showing the pictures of. But this was kind of a tribute to his dad. It was a way for he him to, I don't know, um...
00:02:20
Torben Rothgeb
leave leave a like you know a little bit of a memory or whatever, and he's going to put it on you know display case or whatever. I just thought it was really kind of a touching... idea And, you know, it people do do things, whatever they want to do with the urn or whatever. um Well, that is a real ah creative way ah to ah to handle someone's ashes. I remember Keith Richards actually ah smoked some of his dad's ashes. We don't recommend that, though. No, no. Because don't know what the carcinogens that are...
00:02:56
Torben Rothgeb
Something tells me he smoked a lot more stuff. but And who knows, it might have extended his life. Probably. Those English, they have good genes. They almost live forever.
00:03:07
Torben Rothgeb
So, ah no. And ah it's funny. I think that reminded me of a story. i had a buddy and his dad was in the Coast Guard. ah So then he had his ah ashes buried at sea. Oh, okay. But it actually ended up being kind of a funny story because they throw it out into the water. um But then it um wasn't sinking.
00:03:29
Torben Rothgeb
So then they had to shoot ah it oh to kind of let some air in so it would go down to the bottom of the ocean. um But I never thought about putting it in a model. um or or weathering it, whether you wouldn't want to do that. No, he didn't weather it. that That, to me, would be a little too much um because it would be actually part of, you know, the the ashes would be part of him. So what kind of color are you going to get out of it, you know? Yeah, well, when you first told me that, I was thinking it was a trailer and maybe he just put the ashes in the trailer, but you said it was in the cap.
00:04:06
Torben Rothgeb
yeah Yeah, I don't know. It just... um it you know It got to me a little bit. i was you know taking you know My father passed away like five years ago, and he was a huge influence on from the hobby side.
00:04:22
Torben Rothgeb
um But yeah, no, it's it's just how people celebrate their lives. pattern I would also be worried about how would you transport those, you know, because like, would it be, you know, those little ah straw things that used to have the candy in it? Yeah. Would you like fill up a straw with the ashes and then kind of use it as like a dauber to put it in somewhere?
00:04:47
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. I mean, not knowing how sticky the ashes are. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. um I think they're just like, I mean, they're ashes. So basically they could blow all over the place if you weren't careful. Oh yeah. Well that's just like, i was it John Goodman? Yeah. the The movie obviously is, is what you associate the whole ashes thing.
00:05:08
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. What was that movie again Eric's favorite movie. Right. He hates the Eagles. I'm having a senior moment. ah No, man, I hate the Eagles. If want to call in, I'll just get it.
00:05:23
Torben Rothgeb
It's a Coen Brothers movie. Yeah, yeah no yeah. It's a great movie. And he throws the ash. He's a Vietnam veteran, and they blow all back on him. so um ah you know i bet you I bet you, by the end of the show, if you guys listen, I promise by the end of the show... We'll remember it.
00:05:38
Torben Rothgeb
I'll remember You can call Eric and say, Eric, i mean I need a lifeline. Yes. Yeah, man. That's his favorite show, and I can even think about the T-shirts and stuff that people sell for it. But...
00:05:51
Torben Rothgeb
ah And while you're waiting for us to remember that, we also have a bunch of other great content, as usual. We have the NNL North to talk about. i went to the Indy 500, and we just had the Back to the 50s Father's Day weekend and had great weather for that. Mm-hmm. I'm going to talk about the 3D printing report, some good stuff, some bad stuff. ah ah We're going to talk about the history of the NNL North, our our beloved show in Minneapolis. We have a ton of new releases coming out. um Our question of the month is going to be the biggest struggle in your model building. Now, last ah episode, we kind of talked about um the micro. you know We talked about our least favorite things as far as maybe I don't like bare metal foiling or polishing kits out or stuff like that.
00:06:46
Torben Rothgeb
But this time it's talking just in general, more macro. What is something that gets in your way of, um you know, maybe enjoying the hobby as much as you'd like to enjoy it.
Upcoming Events and Nostalgic Movies
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Torben Rothgeb
And speaking of things getting in the way, we're going to dissect ah building slumps because I hear that a lot. And I know, uh, There's a number of people in ah the three different car clubs that I'm in that seem to you know build something once every two years or maybe even 10 years. And i talk about dissecting, youre just looking at what causes a slump, maybe some solutions, how to get out of slumps or avoid getting into them to begin with.
00:07:31
Torben Rothgeb
um And then we have ah also I wanted to look at Salvino's kits. ah They've ah branched out with Indy kits and now they have the multimedia stuff. I just thought the, you know, at back to the 50s, I was at Model Empire was there. And, you know, the the cheapest kits were, of course, NASCAR kits.
00:07:53
Torben Rothgeb
So that got me to thinking 30 years from now. Are people going to be looking at Salvino's kits for $5 or $10? So I wanted to ah look at examine the value of Salvino's kits as they age. Will they go up? Will they go down?
00:08:11
Torben Rothgeb
And then we're going to finish it off with our Super 6. And being as it's summer, ah six favorite things about summer. Hopefully Jim and I will be able to come up With those. And speaking of come up, I just came up the big Lebowski.
00:08:27
Torben Rothgeb
That's what is. The big Lebowski. And the dude. The dude. Yeah. So um I knew I would. you know And that's going to be a scary ah moment ah ah when I can't recall that. ah But i'm going thankfully, I'm still at the point where I can. yeah. Let's go back to the NNL
NNL North Car Show Experience
00:08:49
Torben Rothgeb
North. um Now, I'll have to do this alone without... ah like I can maybe help hit hit the highlights um yes if you need to know specifics.
00:09:01
Torben Rothgeb
calm Now, were you there at all? Or you just missed it? You were at the wedding. You were in South Dakota, North Dakota? North Dakota. It was one of those moments where you knew that you weren't going to be able to go to the show.
00:09:15
Torben Rothgeb
And i I'm pretty intimately involved with the setup of the show with regard to the vendors and that kind of thing. And, i mean, you could probably maybe segue into the history of the NNL. I don't know if you want to do that now or...
00:09:31
Torben Rothgeb
um how you want to, you know, wrap this in a bow. I don't know what, you know. Well, I got a lot of stuff just for this one, and then you'll be much better to do the history because I'm thinking i went to one in 2006 at the Thunderbird Theater and then maybe – Thunderbird Hotel. Hotel, yeah.
00:09:51
Torben Rothgeb
And then – Maybe if you know three years ago I started going. so But you you would know the roots of it better than I would. But I don't want to skip over this year's NNL. We have some ah great kits on the table.
00:10:08
Torben Rothgeb
um i think it was 347 models on the table. um And we had ah the top Well, I'll do the best competition, Chris Vick. It's great to see NASCAR on the table winning something. i I believe it's a 61 Ford, maybe 61 or 62. put a roof on, I believe, ah from a 60 Ford.
00:10:36
Torben Rothgeb
um So they're trying out some things, and Chris Vick replicated that. and That was a Wood Brothers car again, like his collection. I would probably say 98% of the cars he builds. He builds some things, but mostly we're brothers. Mm-hmm.
00:10:54
Torben Rothgeb
Then the MCCM club sponsored the best ah TV ah and movie car. And Steve Sutter pulled off a mild upset. with it was We have another guy in the club, and he builds a lot of monkey mobiles. And so Steve did his own monkey mobile. right It had a lot of monkeys in it.
00:11:16
Torben Rothgeb
yeah flying Flying monkeys. And jet engine on the side of it. So it was quite quite a vehicle. um So congratulations to him. ah We had the best junior was Jameson Dirk.
00:11:31
Torben Rothgeb
Then getting into our top 10, we had Jason Klein had a great Dodge Dart pro-stock, pro-street, super street superst stock. I know if I say enough combinations, I'll get it right. ah Jason has no ah relation to Calvin. klinein um But he had, and I, when I was announcing the awards, I just gave him kudos just because he used Slicks decals. So getting Slicks decals on, you should get an award for that.
00:12:00
Torben Rothgeb
yeah um yeah Then we had Dan Deco, Wayne Puffer had another great Mopar. He likes to open up the trunk and he's got a a good formula going there.
00:12:12
Torben Rothgeb
Scott Bischoff had a ah Yeah, i I didn't get the details from him, but it looks like he's got kind of a NASCAR chassis with a big kind of dune buggy. ah Needless to say, kind of a custom out of his own head ah you know rendition.
00:12:31
Torben Rothgeb
Brady Scog had that Porsche, I believe. Bob, our beloved Bob Madrich had a Ferrari. yeah He's gotten a lot of mileage out of that. That's the best trade he ever did. He traded Cameron for that, I believe. Yeah.
00:12:46
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. Then we had Adam Folk. Yeah. He goes by Sodak on online, I think. Yeah, yeah he has a u he has a YouTube channel that's pretty popular. Mm-hmm.
00:12:59
Torben Rothgeb
And he had, it looks like 56 Chevy, 55 Chevy. I'm going by pictures on my phone, so my apologies. Yeah, I thought it was father's Okay. fathers car or okka I thought it was a 64 Chevy, but I could be Well, this is definitely not a 64. At least in the picture, it's, ah I believe, a 56.
00:13:22
Torben Rothgeb
Kind of got similar trim to the 55, but I think it's 56 with yellow top and yellow side trim. Kirby Hughes from MCCM had another brilliant custom. Doug Long, it looks like a Carmen Ghia, but it's probably not. Maybe it's a Ferrari.
00:13:38
Torben Rothgeb
No, I think you might be right the first time. I think it might be a carmenilla Carmen Ghia. Carmen Ghia. Okay, he opened up the trunk too. And then Tyler Halladay had a... ah And this is one you didn't knock off the table.
00:13:51
Torben Rothgeb
He knocked off one of Tyler's cars. But he was very gracious about it. Very nice him. And then speaking of Halliday's, Bob Halliday gave his award for the sizzling 60s to a longtime guy that's been in the hobby for 50 years, ah Bob Hood.
00:14:07
Torben Rothgeb
And he had like a Galaxy cop car from the Andy Griffin show ah that really connected with Bob Halliday. And um too bad I can't whistle. or I can maybe whistle some song for you guys.
00:14:19
Torben Rothgeb
Or maybe that's a good thing that i can't whistle. But he did a light. And it it shows you that, you know, lights really can bring out the best in kits. So that was that was our top ten. And those are awards. um A good mix of cars and types like types of cars and that kind of thing.
00:14:38
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. Different clubs, you know. Yeah.
00:14:43
Torben Rothgeb
I mean, it's I think it's interesting we have as many clubs in in the Twin Cities as we do. We are very fortunate. And and very active in in that way, too. ah Participation, good builders, you know.
00:14:57
Torben Rothgeb
You know, ah
Minneapolis Car Model Community
00:14:58
Torben Rothgeb
with some of these ah long winters, and i I went to Denver for my daughter's graduation, University of Denver, and walking around how beautiful it is and how much better the weather is.
00:15:08
Torben Rothgeb
one sometimes contemplates moving to a ah different place ah from Minneapolis. But, ah you know, the thing that I would be almost irreplaceable would be the hobby. I mean, I think I could replace most all the other things, but we have such a good setup with all the three clubs and, you know, hanging out with you guys. That would be the real loss if I ever moved from Minneapolis. That's a really good point. Yeah.
00:15:37
Torben Rothgeb
i mean if you love the show I mean, the hobby shops here are um plentiful and well-stocked. And it just it's a really, um I mean, if if you want to find something, it's still out there. There's a pretty good chance that you might find it at like the dungeon the hub. They're both pretty well-stocked for hobby shops. Well, anytime I go to a a city for visiting or vacation, I like to just you know tap in the hobby shops. and
00:16:12
Torben Rothgeb
And maybe somebody out there in Denver could correct me if I'm wrong, but e just off the Google search, it was like, well, there's nothing worth me venturing into. you know Maybe a hobby town USA with a handful of molecules, but that's not going to get me to interrupt yeah my vacation. Yeah, I mean, even even in the warm states where it's you know warm year-round holidays,
00:16:33
Torben Rothgeb
I've been surprised that there isn't a lot more. I'll give you an example. Phoenix area, there's not a lot of really good hobby shops. And you would think with maybe some retired people, you'd have more people. Yeah, mean, you've Andy's Hobby Headquarters, but that's like it. There are a couple pretty good clubs, but I'm not going to single them out because I'm sure I'm probably missing something, but Um, it's, it's true though. I mean, there's, we have a really good, um, area for that. If you have to go out and buy some paint, you don't have to mail order. e can go to, you know, several places and acrylic lacquer, um you could buy whatever it is. Anything. Magazines. Yeah. Flex decals.
00:17:22
Torben Rothgeb
Sorry. I had to get that in there. No. Uh, but no, it's, it's true. i mean, it's, um, And you'd be lost without them, to be honest. I mean, you know, you rely on them. I mean, i there for many years, i would have to drive by at least one or two of them when I went to work.
00:17:41
Torben Rothgeb
And so it'd be like, you I'm pulling the steering wheel, keeping from going to turn in, you know. but ah Yeah, well, and you'll hear some of these horror stories online where my closest hobby shop is 50 miles. and it's it like Right.
00:17:56
Torben Rothgeb
Or you look like up in Canada or whatever. i mean, they have... you know, next to nothing. And, you know, the nature of building is so fluid, yeah you know, you go to start something, especially now you're out of something. yeah yeah yeah So to have to go an hour drive to pick up something would really be a bummer or wait by the mailbox for a week or two.
00:18:19
Torben Rothgeb
Of course, you'd probably be more organized than
Recognition in Car Modeling
00:18:21
Torben Rothgeb
I am. Before we get away from the NL North, I do want to thank, I got a chip ah from Bubba's Builds. So thank you, Bubba, out there. He gave a chip for my Chase Elliott Next Gen Camaro. And while I'm talking to some chips, I believe at the Milwaukee show, it was Scale Velocity Models. I had a chip.
00:18:43
Torben Rothgeb
ah for my javelin. So thank you to those guys out there. It's always nice when people recognize your work. So thank you for that.
Indy 500 Adventures and Anticipated Model Kits
00:18:54
Torben Rothgeb
um Also, us since slap last podcast, I made it to the Indy 500. It was the fourth time I'd gone. The first time was in 88. Rick Mears won that one.
00:19:06
Torben Rothgeb
Um, and, uh, it's, uh, you know, it's always an event and it's highly recommended for anybody who hasn't gone. It is, uh, you know, as they say, the greatest spectacle in racing, I think they've geared their cars just for that race because the racing is great on that track.
00:19:25
Torben Rothgeb
Um, it was exciting when NASCAR went to the brickyard. However, i think, uh, the racing just never got, uh, up to par, uh, certainly with the Indy cars. And so while I enjoyed some Brickyard 400s as well, um, the, the Indy is a different level and this race didn't disappoint with the Felix Rosenquist and, uh, kudos to Salvino's cause I do have to confess, especially in the year where I'm supposedly not buying any kits. I did come home and order that one in spite of how many people said it was an ugly car.
00:20:02
Torben Rothgeb
um It was ah really cool watching him drive around on the outside for the last two, three laps and, you know, finish. That was a great, great end to the race for the Indy 500. Torben Jr. went with me and a friend from Illinois, Jason Campbell. And, you know, we weve had just ah it's.
00:20:25
Torben Rothgeb
I would challenge you not to have a fun day out there. It really is hard. I liked your um comment. This is before you went to the race about the fact that you could go to a race like the Indy 500 and you knew that the car that won the race was going to be a model and you could go out and buy the model. I mean, that's pretty much unheard of yes anymore. Yes.
00:20:50
Torben Rothgeb
you know For all the ah complaining we do about Salvino's, and granted, they deserve some of it. ah you know there's There's no doubt they deserve some of it. yeah and ah you know But ah you know it is ah great because we were in a desert. We went years without... And even the kits that were there, if you look at NASCAR from about 2000 on,
00:21:16
Torben Rothgeb
um they'd lost a lot of the detail. And part of it was the one-to-one cars weren't great either. But even then, you know you just weren't getting much detail or accuracy with the ones that were there. And then you know by the time they came out with the next-gen kit, ah you hadn't had a current NASCAR for a long time. Yeah. It's great to be able to build ah build the new stuff, um as well as the old stuff. We're told that they're getting closer and closer to the Lotus 38.
00:21:48
Torben Rothgeb
So we'll see when that gets here. you know um Well, I mean, if you didn't catch the the last Salvino's Saturday morning show, ah they did spend a lot of time on the Lotus.
00:22:02
Torben Rothgeb
And they had a picture of, I'm not sure if it was the actual box. or, um but it's a color picture that they showed on on the podcast.
00:22:13
Torben Rothgeb
And it had both that, Clay Kemp had built both versions of the Jimmy Clark car, which was, you know, there's the red 66. I think that's the car.
00:22:24
Torben Rothgeb
and then the 65 Indy winner. Uh-huh. And I have to say that, you know, Clay's a hell of a good builder. Yeah. Um, there they look, artist things they ever did they they look like, they look real guys that, that 38 car looks like, you know, you can start it up.
00:22:42
Torben Rothgeb
It's worth the, the, the weight it's worth the weight. Yeah. And, and they, and they talk about it a lot, but I think it's true that, um, They weren't going to let the thing go out um without making it pretty pretty close to perfect. Yes.
00:22:58
Torben Rothgeb
yeah If you can actually call something perfect, you probably can't. But anyway, it's I think it's going to do really well for them. And i know they're talking about more IndyCars, so we'll see what see what they come up with.
00:23:13
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, well, um yeah, I know they were doing the pole setter car, Alex Pelos yeahp and the Felix Rosenquist. um If not, it's pretty close. And then the Sato won as well. in d one a yeah Indie winner.
00:23:31
Torben Rothgeb
um So ah kudos to them. It is. I think where Rick gets in trouble, though, he gets too optimistic and he makes some promises that as soon as they come out of their mouth, I'm like, Rick, really? Because he said, now that we know what we're doing with these multimedia kits, we're going to do one every three months. And I'm like, every three months? i I'm still in doubt whether the Lotus 38 will be here in three months, let alone a whole nother new one in three months. Right. you know, we'll see. moving I was a little disappointed in, um, not getting the window glass, uh, for the, uh, 80, you know, 83 through 86 Thunderbirds. And I know the front was a little different for the 85 and 86 servers, but still they had that mold. And, um, I feel like with them losing Ford, uh, It was kind of an opportunity that that they missed because they could have you know obviously had the how you get Bill Elliott million dollar bill one. and How do you get that kit then with the right glass?
00:24:35
Torben Rothgeb
Well, you if there's a million of the old. which But you have to buy an older kit to get the glass. So there hasn't been a fix for that. Yes. From Salvino's point of view. No, they never got that fixed. They had the glass for the 87 Thunderbird.
00:24:52
Torben Rothgeb
uh, 87, 88 Thunderbird, but they didn't. And I felt like that's kind of an opportunity missed depending on how long they go without having Forbes rights, you know, cause a million, just a million dollar, uh, Bill Elliott car would have sold a lot. well i I don't think that they can never come back to Ford though. Oh, they will. But it'll be two or three years. man Yeah. I think, I think they'll, they'll do that. Um,
00:25:18
Torben Rothgeb
I think just listening to Rick, they were disappointed. The Fords never sold very well. And you would have thought. That's supposed to help, though, with these smaller runs.
00:25:30
Torben Rothgeb
Yes. And um you know while I was ordering the Rosenquest one, I did order the Castrol. Sadly, they're my favorite ah of the cars, looks-wise. Looks-wise, they are. feel like that. The best-looking car that the.
00:25:45
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, the Dark Horse Mustang ah looks really good. And so... So you order which one now? The Castro. okay Oh, throw one yeah. um Yeah, they they have the Joey Logano one, which is a cool-looking version of that. It's red and white, yeah you know, but...
00:26:04
Torben Rothgeb
I've already built two Joey Logano cars. So out of the new drivers, trying to build all the new drivers, I don't need to do a third one. right They throw back Wood Brothers. It's like, okay, you've done enough throwbacks. And um Josh Berry has not won a race or been super successful. So I decided ah that the Castro colors were really ah cool.
00:26:26
Torben Rothgeb
And so I ordered that one when I was ordering the Rosenquist one. They have two more and another one that's really tempting. But unfortunately, I wish it would have been Ryan Blaney with the PP&P paint scheme. PPG, you mean? PPG, yeah. Yeah, I'm thinking of the tires, maybe NASCAR tires. Oh, that's But um that one is Austin Sendrick, is the PPG, which is a great-looking car.
00:26:54
Torben Rothgeb
It's not that I dislike him, but he's, you know, if I'm trying to build NASCAR drivers that are are doing good, he he might not be in the top 10. Sure. And then the last one they're doing is a Ryan Blaney one, but it's that discount tires. Oh. That's kind of just an average looking car. Yeah, I would agree. um and And so I think, I believe that will shut the door on the Dark Horse Fords.
00:27:16
Torben Rothgeb
um So I don't know if they will have any of those out again. Mm-hmm. So that is somehow we got into the Salvino's report. but That was probably my fault. Yeah. Well, no. They have a lot stuff to
Back to the 50s Car Show and Community Engagement
00:27:31
Torben Rothgeb
talk about.
00:27:31
Torben Rothgeb
um But let's move on to back to the 50s. We just got done with that. That's fresh in mind. um You worked on the show and the judging. What did you have to say about that? Well, I've been fortunate enough to attend...
00:27:47
Torben Rothgeb
most of the back to the fifth, this was annual. and an annual event and i've been going to that show since like 1982 because at the time there wasn't anything else out there in the early 80s and uh it was like two dollars to get in something to that effect but um the one thing i i did want to kind mention was that and this is something i talked to bob about that i really
00:28:18
Torben Rothgeb
I was pleasantly surprised at the show. The whole weekend, the weather was great. There was a rainstorm on Friday night, which there was some hail damage and things like that, which you never want to see with, you old cars. Yes. Anybody's cars. But anyway. Body work is so expensive now. But it was it was short-lived. You know, hopefully it was limited. But the weather was fantastic. Probably one of the nicest weather weekends I can remember there maybe ever because it didn't get really that hot uh but what i wanted to point out was that i've never seen so many families attending a car event like that and actually you know setting up a you know place to sit and hanging out for the whole weekend and being involved in the cars and it was it was like um
00:29:13
Torben Rothgeb
because ah Because, you know, you look at the car hobby and and it's getting, you know, people are getting older and people are passing away. It was just a pleasant surprise to see that. And I just feel like maybe there's hope, you know, for the next generation to continue the, whatever you want to call like legacy of the hobby. And, you know, it's about um having fun and, you know, celebrating the I don't know, summer and, you know, the whole car hobby. There's just, there were a lot of vintage pickups that I, I had never seen before. i mean, really nicely done.
00:29:51
Torben Rothgeb
it just went, there was like all different types of cars, obviously with that show, which I love is that you can have a an MG if you want, if it fits within the, you know, era of car.
00:30:04
Torben Rothgeb
um Yeah, it's just, ah it's a lot of fun. And it's, um I would recommend it to people that maybe never have gone. All of the food vendors that are at the state fair and the majority of them come to that show.
00:30:19
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, no, it's funny. eat a Reuben sandwich about once a year, and it's back to the 50s. What's the name of that book? It's an Irish pub. Yeah, it's an Irish pub. And it's got the sauerkraut and the whole shebang. Oh, it's great.
00:30:35
Torben Rothgeb
It's really great. That's the one time of the year I eat a Reuben They also have ah Martha's Cookies, which is ah really famous if you're not Minnesota. um They give you just a whole bucket of cookies, which, ah you know, it does surprise me that so many people get those because it's like...
00:30:55
Torben Rothgeb
They're good. But, you know, and it's just personally with me, i don't want wait in line for very many things. Right. um So waiting in line for chocolate chip cookies. And I guess I could close my eyes and I wouldn't be able to tell you the difference between Martha's cookies and the ones that Leah makes. Well, one of the things that I didn't actually experience, my nephew was trying to talk me into it was – You know, they have the mini donuts. well He was telling me about some that they had there that were um basic. it was It was a beer. It was a mini donut beer. o
00:31:31
Torben Rothgeb
And he's he's got a sweet tooth. So, I mean, he's probably biased about it. But it actually has, you know, sugar around the outside edge of the... of the glass right and uh he said it's really good so ah but didn't have any donuts in it though no no okay it wasn't like a bloody mary where they have all the garnishing and okay it was just sugar around the outside the beer i don't know what all wow was in it i mean it it sounded it sounded like your like your facial expression when i said that because i typically wouldn't wouldn't do that but you never know i mean
00:32:09
Torben Rothgeb
There's always people you know coming up with new ideas for for beer or for food. hu well and For those of you not in the Minneapolis area, it is a a show at the Minnesota Fairgrounds in St. Paul. State Fairgrounds. and It is ah cars 64 and older. so um it ah It is mainly hot rods and street machines. Yeah, they're stocked.
00:32:39
Torben Rothgeb
um you know production vehicles. ah You'll get your typical, I shouldn't say typical, Edsel or you know a lot of classics.
00:32:51
Torben Rothgeb
The typical 55 to 57 Chevys, 32 Fords. ah yeah a lot of shoeboxes. um But there are those occasional like 59 Plymouths or Studebakers or other things that you have to go up and look and try... And it's funny, though, the way Detroit um mimicked each other, all the companies, I can generally get the year, like if it was like a 56 Oldsmobile, I was like, well, that looks like a 56 Chevy. I'm going to guess it is 56 or, you know, 59 was the year where things just kind all went crazy with wings and as many angles as you could get on everything. Yeah.
00:33:31
Torben Rothgeb
Um, so I remember guessing like a 69 or 59 Dodge, right. Uh, you know, just cause it looked like, you know, the not looked exactly like, but it had a lot of the similarities and a lot of the other 59, you know, Fords and Chevys and whatever looked like, um,
00:33:49
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, the um Minnesota Street Rout Association is the club that's put this show on since the beginning of of the show. And they put a lot of time and money and effort into promoting it. and you work with Gary is the guy who runs the model contest. Yeah, Gary Kruger is the the guy that basically revived the model contest. It had fallen on hard times. It really wasn't being supported by anything.
00:34:18
Torben Rothgeb
And he went to MSRA and basically said, you know, I want to promote this show and get kids involved. And so what's happened now is that it's It's like a make and take. That's what you would call it. um they don't want No one makes a make and take kit anymore. you know That was an actual kit you could buy. That was you know for kids. They're the Atlantis 132. Well, the Atlantis ones are the ones that are still out there now.
00:34:46
Torben Rothgeb
And so that's what Gary had talked Atlantis into sending them you know several hundreds of kits. um sore Actually, several thousand kits.
00:34:58
Torben Rothgeb
And basically you can build a model with your son or daughter and they will give you all the tools and a place to do it. And it's very popular. i mean, it, it's really, an amazing thing to see.
00:35:16
Torben Rothgeb
uh, Well, you know, and just ah getting young people away from screens, giving them anything to get away from social media or video games yeah is always a bonus. um so and they might And they might not, you know, continue the hobby, um but, you know, they they definitely got a learning experience out of it. um I just, I find it really ah fascinating and very um important, I think.
00:35:46
Torben Rothgeb
you know, for a child to experience something like that, you know, whatever that might be. ahha But anyway, so yeah, no, and it's going to continue, you know, as far as we can take it. So um Atlantis is intimately involved in it. So that's good.
00:36:02
Torben Rothgeb
Well, and then ah Cody Roth was there for the Ed Roth award. He's been coming now for like five years and he actually has his own picks for,
00:36:14
Torben Rothgeb
ones that he really liked that were entered in the contest. And they didn't necessarily have to be winners. He would see someone's child that maybe did something that he really liked ah and he'll call them out. And and he then they get it a really nice t-shirt and a picture in the Lion Chaser. That's the magazine that MSRA puts out.
00:36:34
Torben Rothgeb
And Bob was able to share the microphone. I know sometimes he's territorial about that. Yeah, you know, he he takes it pretty seriously. And he does a really nice job.
00:36:46
Torben Rothgeb
um But, yeah, no, it's it's a really great show. I think that um it's going to continue as long as they can keep it going. Well, I think Eric Zabel won the – The Cody Roth the award. Well, he won first place in Street Rod with the Outlaw that he built. It was a replica of that. And that was Cody Roth had picked picked that one, obviously, because it's one of Ed's.
00:37:14
Torben Rothgeb
It was like one of his first cars. Okay. And it was really nicely done. He had ah a base for it. And Eric's a really good builder. Very humble. but um Yeah, he does really good work. but What other cars stood out for you?
00:37:29
Torben Rothgeb
Well, actually, ah Dan Deco, who's a um local builder here, lives down in Southern Minnesota. He actually has a YouTube channel. um Incredibly talented builder. I mean, very humble.
00:37:45
Torben Rothgeb
He just really, really likes the hobby. And he's one of those that only uses acrylic paint. um But his paint jobs are phenomenal.
00:37:57
Torben Rothgeb
And i don't know if if you've ever painted a candy colored model before, but you have to put a lot of coats, a lot of thin coats on it to get it to consistently be one color. And, um,
00:38:11
Torben Rothgeb
He's just really, really good at it. And he his YouTube channel is it's very informative. um He just adds a lot of little details to the cars or trucks that you don't usually see. So like I said, he's he's very humble, just really likes to share the hobby with everybody. Yeah.
00:38:33
Torben Rothgeb
um But yeah, no, there's, there's some, ah some really good builders from all over the Midwest that come to the show. And um like you said, you mentioned model empire is there Ralph's models. He does a really good show there. He sells a lot of kits.
00:38:49
Torben Rothgeb
He sat up right by the show, by
Movie Cars and Creative Display Ideas
00:38:51
Torben Rothgeb
the contest. So um I don't know. I just think it's, it's evolved into a really nice experience for everybody and,
00:38:59
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. Well, it's nice that you got to have it in the education building because it seems nice and cool in there. yes It's good to get out of sun for a little while. I know I got a little sunburned that day, but it's nice to come in and cool off and look at some model cars. Yeah. so yeah Now, i've it's always been my dream for the display to do a little different because you get – ah You know, you guys do a good job of having the 50s and 60s cars, but I would always like to have a movie cars. And not only this, but I found I was thinking movie cars, movie cars. Yeah. OK. Of a way to incorporate both. You could do like a ah and I know John Robinette does a really good job doing stuff.
00:39:50
Torben Rothgeb
You could do like a drive-in movie theater, right? So you could have some of the 50s cars and stuff like that. But then you could have the big screen would be like a wall with a,
00:40:03
Torben Rothgeb
You know, shelves on it, and then you could put the movie cars on the drive-in movie screen. Okay. Maybe I'll see if John Robinette would want to work on that. I know he's a fan of the show, so if he wants to call we can put him online. He is a fan of the show.
00:40:19
Torben Rothgeb
But, yeah. He developed the... ah the the chips chips for for us. So yes, thank you. oh yeah um so Thank you, John Robin. I heard his name too, so he won something. he he's a He's a very talented builder as well. I've known John for a long time and he's you know actually kind of come back to the hobby. He had you know a career in the advertising industry and you know people get wrapped up in their careers and they don't have time for modeling, but he's been able to
00:40:50
Torben Rothgeb
get back into it and have his own space and stuff. So it's nice to see him learning and displaying his models and stuff. So no, he's come a long way, just like all of us have. So no, I mean, it's a lot of work developing those, bait you know, those wall, whatever you want to call them, the backdrops that we put together for the club display and trying to make something different each year that looks maybe a little bit different.
00:41:19
Torben Rothgeb
but still had captures the the era of the, you know, back to the fifty s which is, it's limited a lot in the years. You know, I i really wish it was, sometimes it it had more of a street machine flair or it would get into the 60s more. Yeah. Because then you got everything from, you know, all makes, all models.
00:41:44
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. All different types of applications, but it's just... You know, unless we do something like we did when we had the NASCAR. Yeah, well, that's what I think. If you had the movie cars, you could have all the 50s cars at the drive-in. maybe even there's 3D printed, like a little speaker from the drive-in. And you could yeah have that little area, but then the the movie screen would have ah an array of movie cars in there. and that you know That would be a way to incorporate more modern cars in there. Sure. You know, and, and you know, I know people kind of roll their eyes sometimes at the movie cars, but, you know, it doesn't have to be Smokey and the Bandit in general.
00:42:26
Torben Rothgeb
I mean, there's so many cars out there that you could get creative as you want to be. oh we I mean, we can talk about it because Bob's not here, but, you know my you know, my favorite movie is, and that's not his. American Graffiti. And that yeah that is the atypical.
00:42:43
Torben Rothgeb
50s drive-in movie then that's what it was supposed to be where were you in 62 and I mean it captured it 110 percent so um yeah to to capture that as a display would be great I mean there's no question about it and I don't think it would be that much work no no I mean because you're gonna pick an you're gonna pick a specific car or type a type of car that's gonna fit the genre And I'm sure over the years, I mean, I have his Days of Thunder, a cold trickle car. i mean, it wouldn't take long for, you know, people who have done movie cars. ah You could get a pretty big collection pretty fast. Sure. I know Eric Zabel's done ah some James Bond cars. did the Tulane Black that Top 55. He's a big movie. You know, he's a big Bond guy, like you said.
00:43:34
Torben Rothgeb
It'd be an excuse to get a 70 GTO from Dazed and Confused done. Sure. You know, it'd be a real funny one would be the ah gremlin with the that. Phoebe Cage wrote pimp on the side of it. And then he had or not. It wasn't pimp. It was a curse word. What was it? It wasn't the word. What's word?
00:43:56
Torben Rothgeb
Fast Times at Ridgemont High. Oh, okay. Yeah. I haven't seen that for long time. The guy who was selling all the tickets. Anyway, he he was supposed to pay for this abortion and didn't. And so then she rode on the side of his Gremlin, a really cool Gremlin car.
00:44:10
Torben Rothgeb
I thought maybe you talking about their Gremlin that Mike Myers drove. and Well, that was a pacer, wasn't it? Yeah, but it was still an AMC. AMC, yeah, yeah. and But anyway. You'd have to have the little licorice dispenser. That'd be really cool. um But no, like I said, I think it it would – I'd have to think about the logistics of putting the shelves on the drive-in movie theater screen and making that kind of work but or how that would look. Who knows? but No, I think because you mentioned families, so you do get a lot of people who aren't necessarily into it in into cars the degree that we are. Because i've I've walked around with my son and daughter and and wife and And none of them will probably be in the category of car people. Right. And so, but I think the average person can connect with movie cars. You know, oh, that's a car from that thing or something. I remember one time, i well, that's where the 70 GTO popped in my head because I asked Leah.
00:45:17
Torben Rothgeb
um It was one of those years where they had a movie theme and it's like, and right off the top of the head, oh, that car and in Dazed and Confused is really cool. Mm-hmm. And it took a couple questions and stuff to narrow it down. I was assuming she wasn't talking about the primer duster that Ben Affleck drove. or you know It could have been ah the Michael McConaughey Cheville, because that was cool. But no, it was the ah GTO. Yeah.
00:45:47
Torben Rothgeb
I think pretty much anybody can relate with some kind of car from a movie. Well, and my movie car, too, would be my first car, which was 68 Charger. hey And that was the bullet to Bad Guys from a Bullet. With eight hubcaps on it. It's a movie. Yes. yeah And it's still the greatest chase scene ever done. Absolutely. I'm sure there's, you know.
00:46:13
Torben Rothgeb
people will contend that something else was, but I think if you look at it from a, you know, production standpoint, it was pretty, and in you know, incredible. So, yeah. Well, the French connection oh i had a really cool one. I liked that one. Um, but, uh, Yeah, so I think the movie cars could be, ah you know, if they want to go in a different direction. I'm sure John's listening and he he can chime in. so Yeah, yeah. Oh, before I forget, though, a car that was, ah you know, because I think like if the vendors can bring newer cars, so there there's a handful of newer cars there, at least newer than 1964, which is a requirement. And the one that really, really ah spoke to me, ah and there's only like 422 that were built. So as it's no wonder that I don't, it was the first time I saw one in person was a Charger 500 that, you know, obviously the Mopar group had. And that wasn't actually part of the back to the 50s thing, though. That was, you know, somebody that restored it and they that's their line of work is to,
00:47:26
Torben Rothgeb
So, mean, it wasn't technically a back-to-the-50s car.
Summer Projects and 3D Printing Insights
00:47:30
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, it was on the display. But it was really cool. Oh, yeah, it was very nicely done. Yeah. And kudos to MPC because they pretty much nailed most the stuff on it. It was pretty similar. know there's… Factory blueprints.
00:47:43
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. That's what they were. Mm-hmm. so So, yeah, no, it was ah it was a really great-looking car. It's get color of the plastic. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Yeah. ye Well, ah yeah, that could probably take us to what what's on the bench. And my summer project is Arrow Wars. And so I finished a Charger 500 that was molded in that yellow, neon yellow color.
00:48:11
Torben Rothgeb
um I was able to get past it. um ah That was not even the most challenging thing. ah Most challenging thing is, unfortunately, ah even though Ace decals, I think, makes ah Cotton Owens both ah Dodge Daytona Charger Daytona decals and the 71 Charger. Mm-hmm.
00:48:31
Torben Rothgeb
I was left with kind of the um Fred Katie decals, which are great, but they're not the most opaque ones. And I had a second set, but that kind of flaked on me. so But I i was did manage to get that done, and i am working on all kinds of wing cars, and then I'm also doing a Donnie Allison 27 car.
00:48:56
Torben Rothgeb
twenty seven car Thankfully for the 27 Donnie Allison car, they do Ace Makes decals. They don't make it for that car. They make it for 66 to 68.
00:49:07
Torben Rothgeb
But the 27, the font on the 27s are the same, and everything else is there. The one thing I have to worry about is the Sonny King Ford decals.
00:49:19
Torben Rothgeb
So I will have to keep my fingers crossed and apply those Slicks decals. These are from the kid? Yeah. Yeah. So you're doing a different version than the kit then? No. Are you just building it properly or something? Well, the, ah you know, if if you look, ah it's this car. It's a Talladega yeah that Donnie Allison won the ah Charlotte 600 in. Yeah, yeah. um But I want to use as little as the kit decals as I have to. yeah and that's the way And no offense to Slicks, the decals are like at this point about almost 30 years old. And I think that's why that's why it's a problem.
00:50:00
Torben Rothgeb
Now what I might end up doing is I might use a Sonny King Ford from the Thunderbird Rookie of the Year combo. It would be a little bit bigger, but we'll see. we'll see Hopefully I can get the Slicks decals to work for that. So Ace doesn't have...
00:50:16
Torben Rothgeb
For whatever reason, they don't go up to 69. It is interesting ah looking at the Polar Lights ah kits. They did five kits of those, I believe. They did the Cale Yarborough 21 car. They did the 17 David Pearson car. They did the 98 Leroy Yarborough car, the Donnie Allison 27 car, and they did a Richard Petty one a little later. on They um did a Buddy Baker car too, Charger.
00:50:44
Torben Rothgeb
Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, this is I'm just talking about the Fords that they do. Oh, okay. Gotcha. And ah they've since remade the decals for the 21 car and the 17 car. um And this one is almost the 69 car, the 27 car that Ace Decals does. um They do all of the was a Banjo Matthews cars. And they also did the – it's a fictitious car, but it's the Coca-Cola, Bobby Allison, and – car.
00:51:14
Torben Rothgeb
Yes, they did that years later. um But I mean, it was never run that way. Yeah. But the Coca-Cola markings on. No, no, because they did ah a Mercury W nose. Right. um Yeah. And that is, you know, that's my summer project. I'm going to do a display at the Nationals for the Arrow Wars and I'm trying to cover yeah all of those cars, ah at least the heavy hitter ones. And so, um and unfortunately, they never redid a 98 Leroy Yarbrough sheet.
00:51:43
Torben Rothgeb
so And my backup plan is for the cards that I'm not going to get in 125th scale, I have my beautiful starter kits there. So I'm also working on the Pete Hamilton starter, Superbird, and the Leroy Yarborough Talladega.
00:52:00
Torben Rothgeb
um So, ah yeah, hopefully look for that at the Nationals in Fort Wayne, Indiana. um Hopefully I'll get those up. And i do i do have, it's funny, I have a Mercury W. Nose, but that is ah the one that Bobby Allison ran later in 71. I don't have the ones in 68. I have a starter one that I'm going to bring for the Cale Yarborough because he won the 68 Daytona 500 in a Mercury um
00:52:32
Torben Rothgeb
but So that is what I've been working on a lot of ah the wing cars. And I'm using the old Dodge Charger Daytona MPC kits. I think that just looks a little more a stock car. For the stock car version, it looks a little better. And they come with the wheels kind of rounded out a little bit. Well, they're not maybe not as rounded out as much as the one-to-one stock cars were.
00:52:59
Torben Rothgeb
They are better ah because ah the purple car that I'm trying to do, the Charlie Glotzbach one, I made from the stock version. So I had to ah do the wheels. I used the Andy Kellogg method oh is for rounding out the wheels where he put sheet plastic in the wheel openings and then kind of pulls them out a little bit, you know, because the wheels were pulled out. That's a nice how-to.
00:53:29
Torben Rothgeb
ah Yes, ah but it is ah it's a work in progress. They've been putting in and sanding and putting in and sanding for the Charlie Glotz back one. um but And I actually, ah you know, I wrote a whole article for the newsletter on the wing cars, ah but i get I sent it to Scott Gladstein, and he said it was too long. It way too long And so I sent it to Tim Kidwell, and I just said, you know, if you ever need anything, I've got, I had this article anyway, no obligation. So he looked at it, and he hasn't talked to me since then. But maybe one day it could find, and especially when I have all these built-ups, I'll be able to write blurbs. You're going to the Nationals, right? Mm-hmm. He'll be there.
00:54:18
Torben Rothgeb
He'll be there and hopefully I'll have all of these ah wing cars ah there ah so I can tell him that I'm happy to write any blurbs on the... I think you could probably talk him into doing something if he took the pictures at the show. I mean, he might want to the pictures at the show.
00:54:34
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. yeah I mean, I think there's always opportunities for... getting stuff in the magazine if you have the material and the wherewithal to to put the time in.
00:54:45
Torben Rothgeb
yeah Yeah. And you know, you've ah already offered it to them as it is, so. we running a little long? No, they just scared the hell out of me. They're going lost connection, reconnected, lost connection, reconnected. But we're we're back on now. so Okay. um But, yeah, so I've got a million-wing car. I'm trying to do the K&K car, the Cotton Owens Southern 500 winner, the Donnie Allison Talladega.
00:55:11
Torben Rothgeb
And then in the starter 143rd genre, I'm doing the 143rd Pete Hamilton and Leroy Yarbrough. And then I've already built some of these cars over the years. So in all, I think it will be about eight 125th scale cars on my display and about five or six 143rd scales.
00:55:33
Torben Rothgeb
So um that's my summer goal. That's what I'm working on. What what are you working on? Well, as you know, or maybe you don't know, I don't like to show my hand until... You like to surprise people. Yeah, it's, you know, it's one of those things where I kind of lose interest if it's something that I tell somebody about it or I bring it in progress. And then it's like, well, that just kind of you know gave away the surprise. But um I've got a couple of things in the fire right now that are...
00:56:03
Torben Rothgeb
Moving forward, one of them that you haven't heard about, i was telling you about Steve Hansen. um I'm working on a few altered that bay I'm going to try to have done for Lincoln.
00:56:16
Torben Rothgeb
Okay. um It's a pretty easy build. I say that now, but it really isn't that difficult. But what what makes it more of a challenge is that... um I got Steve Hansen to print out a 427 single overhead cam hammy that's going to go in the field altered. and Oh, nice. I've got um John Robinette working on some decals for me. I had this idea, you know, you you wake up in the middle of the night, this would be really cool thing, you know. And so...
00:56:48
Torben Rothgeb
um Yeah, it's turning out pretty pretty well. um Like I said, I've got the decals now from John, and john ah Steve Hansen is working on the... He actually had a little issue with the de file on the 3D printed engine, and it shouldn't have been ah an issue, but the lettering on the actual valve covers...
00:57:10
Torben Rothgeb
um where it says 427 single overhead kind cam were very faint okay in the actual file. And so he ended up redrawing them from scratch.
00:57:22
Torben Rothgeb
And, you know, he does that kind of stuff all the time. mean, that's kind of what he likes to do, but it's turned out really well now. So we're going to get together next week after I get back from my trip and look at that. So, but anyway, yeah. So I've got a couple of things like that that are,
00:57:39
Torben Rothgeb
in process. And, i you know, it's it's one of those things where i'm I'm hoping that we're able to show models at the show and Lincoln. I'm a little leery because i think it's going to be quite busy and popular and and that kind of thing.
00:57:56
Torben Rothgeb
Oh, so you think there might not be enough room room on tables? I don't know. I mean, the room the rooms that where the museum is are not super large. So I'm guessing they may have another room that they're putting stuff in.
00:58:09
Torben Rothgeb
i don't know. have no idea. it's It's just one of those things where I'm going to bring a bunch of models with me and if we can't display them, we can't display them and We'll see. Well, maybe we can have something like the the first NNL National. forest all hotel room Yeah, that's true. yeah the yeah The alleged, what was the name of that place? I can't even think of it now.
00:58:34
Torben Rothgeb
But yeah, that was that was um a memorable moment. So no, it's it's so it's going to be one of those once in a lifetime shows. I i really, i just think it's going to be great. Yeah, no, I'm looking forward to that.
00:58:47
Torben Rothgeb
It should be quite a summer with all of these shows coming up between that and the Nationals and Fort Wayne. All right, well, we are are coming through a lot of stuff we've gotten to. um Let's go back to the 3D printing, my 3D printing report. I had my first disaster with the 3D printer thing.
00:59:09
Torben Rothgeb
I was printing... um it was a diorama one 43rd diorama and it looked pretty cool. It was like a bank, a high banked racetrack with a railing on it. I thought, uh, with all the starter kits I build, um, but I don't know what went wrong, but I went to get it.
00:59:30
Torben Rothgeb
And, um, I went to get it and there was just a big block of ah a complete block on, you know, the way the three printers go is they they go down into the resin and then they kind of pull it up at the end and it stuck to upside down. Really? So it was just a big block of stuff, which is sad because there it is ah a lot of resin wasted, you know, almost a whole bottle.
01:00:00
Torben Rothgeb
But, um, You know, oh, well. So then I cleaned everything good and then I was able to run it the next time and I didn't have a problem. So it worked. It worked. Last night I was printing up stuff, printing up gas caps, alternators, brake cylinders.
01:00:21
Torben Rothgeb
You know, my main thing for the alternator is almost all alternators are chrome. So it ends up being something I have to strip off. And so I thought it would be nice just to have alternators that aren't Chrome that I don't have to strip.
01:00:34
Torben Rothgeb
um Unfortunately, I did a header, um another issue I had, and they looked great. But then I realized when I was thinking about putting it on the car, well, I only have one side. I printed seven headers for one side. And then I went back to the file, and then it wasn't letting me print the other one. So um that was another kind of deterrent. I also printed some door handles and other stuff. look really nice. So, yeah, it is ah it is a a fun world out there for 3D printing.
01:01:04
Torben Rothgeb
um Also, ah for Father's Day, I got this ah fan tick cordless drill. um Really ah cool here ah that, you know, you got ah five different speeds. It's cordless.
01:01:22
Torben Rothgeb
And the best thing for me, not being super organized... is that um it has the container has all these different drill bits wow that you can keep them in and then ah there's another base that gives you the bigger kind of things too wow so um yes uh so that was a great father's day gift from fantix that's good has just about every drill brit bit saw that you could use
01:01:56
Torben Rothgeb
So thank you to the kids for that wonderful present. um All right, moving on. We got the history of the NNL North.
Model Kits and Building Preferences
01:02:05
Torben Rothgeb
ah Take it away, Jim. um I'm going to give you the floor.
01:02:11
Torben Rothgeb
I'm getting another ah cup of coffee. Okay. Yeah. Well, anyway, the NNL started out as a contest slash NNL style show.
01:02:25
Torben Rothgeb
Back in the 80s, and it was it evolved over a period of time to where it turned into just an NNL type show.
01:02:36
Torben Rothgeb
um There were a lot of local builders that really wanted to have a show of their own. We didn't really have a show at that time. um There was a car show, a World of Wheels, at the St. Paul Auditorium.
01:02:51
Torben Rothgeb
And that was pretty well received. But we really wanted our own show that we could promote and bring in kind of an NL style show that we'd been to in like Toledo and that kind of thing.
01:03:03
Torben Rothgeb
And so, you know, the powers that be that was Dan Warford and Mike, I can't think of his last name now. um Not Gutierrez. No, he just passed away um probably like a couple. Not Lohman. Yeah, Mike Lohman. He was involved in it a little bit.
01:03:21
Torben Rothgeb
Um, we decided to put this show on that was basically going to be a contest slash NNL show. And you, I think you said you had been to the Thunderbird.
01:03:34
Torben Rothgeb
even Um, it was at the Thunderbird a few times. That was, uh, quite expensive, uh, a venue to have the show at because it was a premier,
01:03:45
Torben Rothgeb
hotel at the time right on the 394 494 strip um but we also had the show in a um different location in saint paul right by the fairgrounds and it actually competed with back to the 50s that didn't go over real well it didn't get a super turnout um but in any event it eventually ended up back at the thunderbird and then it ended up over at um I can't think of the name of the actual hotel that it was at, but it it was connected to a um popular restaurant chain. I'm trying to think of it. They used to have the, I'm trying to think, it's it's Australian Outback Steakhouse. That's what it was. You're on your game now, man. It's still there.
01:04:39
Torben Rothgeb
um But they had ah they had a place where we could have the show. and have the the restaurant right by. Did you get a Blooming Onion if you won? No, we didn't we didn't offer any you know door prizes or anything related to the dinner. But, I mean, it was a good place to have it. It was right on the strip. was easy to find.
01:05:00
Torben Rothgeb
But that turned into basically the NML that was on 494, but it was over there by you know the last venue before we moved to our current location.
01:05:12
Torben Rothgeb
Okay. And then what is it? That was like a VFW, but that was not far at all from the Outback Steakhouse. Okay. And that was a lot cheaper.
01:05:23
Torben Rothgeb
We had it on a Sunday, which made it even better because they really didn't have a lot going on. They had bingo on Sunday nights, so we had to be out of there by 5 o'clock. But that's that's what it evolved into where it is now. I mean, it's it's come full circle. Invergrove Heights. Right. Yep.
01:05:42
Torben Rothgeb
Now, when was the first year you called it the NNL North? Because it had another name. Was it GMO, HMO? It was HMO. Yeah. that was It was an insurance. but It was health insurance.
01:05:55
Torben Rothgeb
No, it was the GMO, which was Greater Minnesota Open. Okay. um I remember Dan Warford, was was a he actually made decals on a – I'm trying to think of the name of the printer, but it was an ALPS printer.
01:06:10
Torben Rothgeb
And he actually made up some, like, custom license plates. That would would have like the GML O NNL North on the license plate. And he had like, he was selling them. He had them for door prizes. Okay. They did a lot of different things with that.
01:06:28
Torben Rothgeb
mean, he was, he was a good advocate for the show. It's just that he tried to take it on all by himself and he couldn't do it. I mean, obviously. Then he got burned out. He got burned out. And so he wanted somebody to take it over. And that's where. You recruited the misfits from MCC. No, no, no. No, this was RPM. Yeah. um the The Misfits came, came to, um, well, yeah, no. And then so now, you know, moving full circle to 2026, we're up to, what is it? Um, or almost to 30, 30 years. So I next year I'll be the 29th.
01:07:04
Torben Rothgeb
um Yeah, it's it's evolved into the Invergrove Heights Community Center now, and that's a phenomenal location. and I know Steve Husted loves it. Yeah, i know. he He just raves about it all the time. But anyway, um yeah, no, it's – It's nice to have something like that in your own backyard where you don't have to drive that far. And that's that's taken a long time to to happen because know Toledo is 12, 13 hours one way. oh yeah. Or Detroit show. Detroit, right. yeah Exactly. It is so so nice when that show's over. Yeah. I mean, Fort Wayne's going to be a little bit of a hike.
01:07:44
Torben Rothgeb
um But you'll you know you'll make it work So yeah no I think it's um it's found it's home Where it is now And I think it'll keep going there So Matt do you have any ideas For the 30th Anniversary show?
01:08:01
Torben Rothgeb
Well, you know, it's it's interesting you mentioned that. You know, you talk about, and this is just something that I brought up with Bob and couple of the other people that are intimately involved in the the layout and the production of the show, is that, you know, um we're all getting older. And I wouldn't even have thought about this except for, you know, like the NNL West has...
01:08:27
Torben Rothgeb
run its course they don't they don't have a show anymore NNL Nationals NNL Nationals actually has they're trying to get something going again okay this year i haven't seen anything about it but um you know I mean we're all like I said no one lives forever nope um how long do you want to keep this going you want it to be popular you want it to be successful you don't want it to get stale and people just don't really care about it anymore what's What's the end game? You know, it's like if somebody wants to step up and take it over and you could see them leading the charge, I'm all for that. But I just don't think you can keep doing it forever.
01:09:07
Torben Rothgeb
No. um And it it would be nice to have a farewell show or something like that. You know, this is just obviously hypothetical type stuff.
01:09:18
Torben Rothgeb
But, you know, we'll see what happens. If you had to predict how many years you think it would go more. i Don't want make prediction like that. Well, let just think about it. Okay, so you're almost to 30. Yeah.
01:09:31
Torben Rothgeb
So how far are you going to go? Are you going to go to 40? Are you going to go to 50? You want it to be a milestone number, right? Yeah. Ideally. um And the morbid thing that you probably think of, probably depends on the health of people. of course. you think about the heavy hitters who do most of the lion's share of it. The heavy hitters, not – Theoretically heavy, not actually heavy. No, yes. right um And how how their health holds up is a big predictor on stuff like that. We've lost some you know members, some stalwarts that have been in the hobby for a long time.
01:10:08
Torben Rothgeb
Don Stoffer. Yeah, right. um yeah yeah no it's Yeah, you could go on and on. But I think that it's it's important to, you know, Think about it, at least talk about it and have a plan because like you said, you know, nobody's going to live forever and and you want things to go, you know, status quo or whatever. And how does that happen?
01:10:34
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. It's a lot of work. No, it is. it is um And you have Nordicon as well, which is whole other, you know, subject. You know, that's obviously not just cars. At least you have other clubs with armor. yeah, yeah. But anyway, so, yeah, no, it's – I would say, know, hypothetically, would love to see it go to 50%.
01:10:55
Torben Rothgeb
nothing um But, you know, that's that's you know a long time. Yeah. Yeah. He might be a centurion by then. and We'll see. Alan Greenspan made it to $100, and so did Dick Van Dyke. He's still going, isn't he? Dick Van Dyke, yeah. He's from Danville, Illinois. He hasn't done Danville, Gene Hackman and Dick Van Dyke. How old is Dick Van Dyke? He's got to be in his hundreds. He is, yeah. And he was a father at some...
01:11:24
Torben Rothgeb
You know wasn't there? No, I'm thinking of um who was it? Clint Eastwood was pretty old. David Letterman? No, the one from The Odd Couple. oh Oscar. Not Oscar. um Not Jack Klugman. No, that's Oscar.
01:11:39
Torben Rothgeb
Oscar. No, it's it's the one that was Clean. The Grumpy Old Man? No, Mr. Clean. He was the clean guy on The Couple. I can't think of his name. That wasn't the Grumpy Old Man guy? No.
01:11:51
Torben Rothgeb
Not Walter Matthau. No. Okay. No, Walter Matthau was Oscar, too. Oh, he was, too. Yeah. Okay. And it was a play, too, I think. Oh, it started out as a play. But anyway, um I can't think of his name, but he had ah a son...
01:12:06
Torben Rothgeb
Or a daughter, and he was like... 75 something. No, think he was older that even. Jesus. But anyway, so... That was before Viagra, or was it? Oh, yeah. For sure.
01:12:17
Torben Rothgeb
But anyway, I mean, anything's possible. yeah Yeah. As long as we have the success and the support, because, it you know, um Bob's not here, but he's a huge asset to to the oh yeah to the hobby and to our...
01:12:31
Torben Rothgeb
livelihood The original, the one and only OG ambassador of the hobby. He's the little spark plug that keeps things going. Yep. So, yeah. so And that, you know. I'm sure he's going to listen to the podcast. Oh, he listens to all of them. He's already sent me a couple emails. and that But he'll get his chance to, you know, later in the week he said he was going to do. a Sure.
01:12:57
Torben Rothgeb
come on and and do the podcast. So you want to roll into the new releases now? or Absolutely. And we, boy, what a bunch of products. they At first I was like, oh, they're doing this again. How's this a new release? But the 72 Chevy pickup, but this is a short bed.
01:13:14
Torben Rothgeb
ah version. And that's that's actually coming out in like July. Yes. yeah It's already on pre-order from round two. So get yours while you can. Don't want no short bed, man. Yes, that's going to be ah really cool. I think it'll be a good seller too. Well, and it is a shame ah that Mobius has kind of taken, they take so long to do stuff because I think they could have printed their own money if they ever would have come out with that six the Chevy trucks like they did the Ford ones. It's still coming.
01:13:45
Torben Rothgeb
It'll make it as long as Dave's still alive. Yeah. You never know. How old is Dave now? He's like in his 80s or 80-ish. Yeah. So we'll keep our fingers crossed that Dave staying healthy, hopefully exercising, walking every day. no I'm not sure about that. but He doesn't smoke, does he? No, no. He's staying away from cigarettes.
01:14:06
Torben Rothgeb
No, he pretty much does just the 3D stuff in his So he's got a big family and stuff. So anyway. That's good. So we got we got that. Yeah, staying focused.
01:14:19
Torben Rothgeb
The Viper, they have a Coca-Cola Viper. Nothing says Coca-Cola like a Viper. The key is that it's Coca-Cola, you know, because they'll have the markings on and then they'll have the price increase because it's Coca-Cola. but Has there ever been a car that fell off the cliff like the Viper? I mean – I felt like in the mid, early ninety s it was everywhere. It was the latest thing, Viper, Viper, Viper.
01:14:44
Torben Rothgeb
And then all of a sudden, it was like gone. I mean, it just like you've never seen it. Well, the ironic thing, and this happens a lot because they get so much money to start to develop this car, which, you know, they did with the Viper.
01:15:01
Torben Rothgeb
was that, you know, it costs so much money to get into production. You know, was a limited production thing, definitely a limited interest car. The last one that they did, you know, whatever it was, five years in or whatever was, had all the, you know, everything was great. The engine, the, you know, suspension, all the whole thing.
01:15:24
Torben Rothgeb
and now And that one is the one that people want. Okay. So, you know, you know and and this is just another way for round two to sell molds that are sitting around gathering dust. Uh-huh. And the the Coca-Cola thing is just...
01:15:40
Torben Rothgeb
They hooked up with them for whatever reason. Evidently, there's enough co-collectors out there. There's enough marketing. and Yeah, exactly. Like you said, collectors. They also have a tea bucket. Apparently, two versions to build this tea bucket one.
01:15:55
Torben Rothgeb
This is a Coca-Cola one again? Yeah, Coca-Cola one. Okay. um Well, like I said, nothing like getting mileage out of your molds. Yeah. um And then you mentioned the, well, you talk about the Pintos. The Pinto ah Pony Express. Yeah. It really is. This a square light one, I believe. ah No, that's too bad.
01:16:15
Torben Rothgeb
Well, yeah. I love the paint scheme on there. it's kind of gray with the rainbows going down. It's got the porthole. Mm-hmm. Unfortunately, I believe those are the MPCs that were kind of challenging. It might be easier now with different glues and stuff like that. But you would it would have along the side, you had the engine room, but then you had the side of the interior, and then you had kind of the trunk or the hatchback thing. And getting those lined up when you it wasn't always easy. yeah um So that that's the Pinto.
01:16:49
Torben Rothgeb
ah The Chevy Love, and we were talking about the other day. How was the Datsun truck and the Toyota trucks of that era so cool? But between the Chevy Love and then what was the Ford Courier? I'd just say they were very meh to me compared to the Toyota and Datsun.
01:17:07
Torben Rothgeb
But they're coming out with Chevy Love. um yeah so look for that if you're into that uh type of thing uh the dnd van dungeons and dragons now did you ever play dungeons and dragons no i did not either that's after my time unfortunately well i know people that did uh-huh and that still do um yeah no it's it doesn't interest me at all I guess model card building model cars was nerdy enough for me. I didn't want to go even nerdy. Well, it'll be interesting to see how it sells with the D&D thing. what Now, what is it the Chevy van? Did you see which type of van it is? i mean, i know they have the Ford van like they had the Fanta.
01:17:54
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's a Chevy, the D&D one, but i'm not i mean don't quote me on that. It could be a Dodge. Well, and i I still have to get done. Hopefully, I can get done with these Arrow War cars so i because I need to get that Tiny Car Podcast ban. don't think we're focused. speaking of Speaking of movie cars, that's Stranger Things ban.
01:18:20
Torben Rothgeb
Have you bought the kit yet? Oh, I got it. Yeah. Oh, okay. Well, because we looked at it. I remember Bob was looking at the interior. Right. Yeah. um That is. And Clint did the decals. Clint's decal company. Oh, he's already got them done? one of our great sponsors. Yeah, I have the decals. Oh, wow. so More than one set?
01:18:42
Torben Rothgeb
No, I think it's just one set. Hopefully they're opaque enough. Yeah, I'm sure they'll be fine. They're clean. And I'm planning, the way I'm going to do it, I'm on paint the van orange, but then the white stripe that hat and then put the decal of the Tiny Car Podcast over the white. Oh, okay. So hopefully they don't have to be too opaque. Sure, sure.
01:19:02
Torben Rothgeb
ah To show up good. But no, Dungeons and Dragons ban. And then ah the one that I'm going to have to, ah you know, even though I'm i'm not buying any kits this year, I might have to buy this one.
01:19:16
Torben Rothgeb
the The pure hell. a Demon. Rich Guasco. Good job. not na a Funny car. Yes. And that would be one that I need to just put up or shut up. I need to build a 116th funny car. I have probably eight or nine of them.
01:19:37
Torben Rothgeb
It's just one of those things. You think of room. Do you have anything that you're drawn to but haven't built All the time. Are you kidding? Like airplanes. You bought a lot of airplanes, right? Or a few? I stopped buying them.
01:19:49
Torben Rothgeb
How many airplanes you think you bought? probably Well, I didn't have anything like... I mean, there's people that I can i could single out, but I won't. Um... it's It's kind of more of a wish if I had time, not a need kind of thing.
01:20:04
Torben Rothgeb
And a lot of it was I really like World War two planes and I like World War I planes. I'm not a jet person per se, um but I like the...
01:20:16
Torben Rothgeb
The P-51 Mustang has always been my favorite airplane. So when Tamiya came out with a 1 32nd scale, like super kit, you know, i had to have one of those. But anyway, no it's it's one of those things. I just don't have the time that I thought I had. Yeah. You know, we're all getting older and that kind of thing. And so...
01:20:36
Torben Rothgeb
um yeah i'm not planning on buying anymore that you know for me the 116 funny cars and the pickup trucks are ones that uh every time they come out with one i buy it sure but for some reason uh getting them built uh is a yeah um well yeah i think that they um it's it's one of those things where they um they sell really well for the older modeler because of the scale And they have the level of detail and everything that you can basically build it out of the box and you have a really nice model when you're done.
01:21:13
Torben Rothgeb
i think that's really the the draw and the fact that they're reasonably priced too. They really aren't bad. No. You can still look at me. and I was looking at them at fifty s And you can still get that Grand Am for less than $50 or $60. Yeah. Which with the new tires and the better plastic and the good decals.
01:21:34
Torben Rothgeb
Definitely worth it. And Chuck makes a lot of decals for those cars. So there's options. Yeah. I think they're going to keep doing them as long as they can come up with licensing and subject matter. And well, you have unlimited decals from Chuck too. In theory. Yes. No, I don't. And that's okay.
01:21:55
Torben Rothgeb
It's, you know, I'm really trying to help him. Yeah. um And the hobby just keep, keep going with quality and that kind of thing. Yeah. There's some really good builders out there that are building there cranking those things out, so I love seeing it. so um Yeah, no, I think it's it's a good thing. so All right. Well, yeah, hopefully I will also be done with these Arrow Wars project when that comes out. It's coming up, though, pretty fast. Well, it's on pre-order, so I'm guessing it's not going to be that long.
01:22:25
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. I would say probably by the end of this, not... june but probably end of july okay maybe august because they have other stuff in the hopper too so well the nice thing is i will if i'm building it for the nationals i'll have to have whatever aero cars built for that right and so then ah when that comes out maybe i can clear the bench uh i think if you or because you're really good about painting because you love to paint i think that if you got something like that painted because I know you asked me a lot of questions about the color and that kind of thing.
01:22:58
Torben Rothgeb
um I think once you got it painted, I think that would probably make you want to finish the rest. Yeah. And, you know, especially now that they've made the chassis kind of the framework into one piece. And in 1 16th, it's not as finicky maybe as the 125th scale ones. And another thing that's really helped those funny cars is chrome paint has gotten so much better. You because it was really a debate for me back in the day where it's like, do I want to sand the seam lines off all this chrome and then send it in to Chrome Tech or somebody like that? Which was the only option at one time. Or scratch build. I know like Jay, who's a fantastic builder, he made his own stuff out of aluminum rod or something like that. Yeah.
01:23:46
Torben Rothgeb
Every time you get deeper into a project, it's less likely it's going to see the light of day. yeah you know because I still stand by that I got about 20 hours of really good focus into a project.
01:24:00
Torben Rothgeb
And then if I'm not seeing results, it's hard to keep the momentum. It seems like a job. Well, 20 hours isn't really that many much time either. No. What I like to do with my 20 hours is prep the body, paint the body. If the body comes out good, then that gives me more energy to do stuff. you know But Once you hit that wall, and it's like it and that's like what people say, well, you're model builders.
01:24:26
Torben Rothgeb
But if you're starting off 10 hours to fix something, you know say like the 67 Ford Fairlane where you have to make the windshield larger and the back window larger, you put 20 hours into that before you even got started. Well, the chances are it'll go back in the box and you've moved on to something else. So, um, no, it's a really good point. Yeah. Yeah. I just never figured the actual time, is you know?
01:24:54
Torben Rothgeb
So yeah it's like, you know, if you, if you start with a resin body and you have to, recarve the door lines before you actually put any paint on it hu or whatever whatever it is that you have to fix it does take you know some of the fun out of it and it turns into just a job yeah um and like and i think that's a good way to go is to try to paint something first and that's something i always do too if i can get the car painted and it looks really good. you know, you don't have a lot of, you know, dust or orange peel or any of that stuff then and it's more, you're more interested in cranking it out.
01:25:36
Torben Rothgeb
Well, and then street strategically it's better too because if you want to give the paint more time to dry, yeah um then it has more time to dry when you get around to polishing it or or doing whatever as well.
01:25:50
Torben Rothgeb
um So, yeah. Yeah, mean, one one of the biggest things I've struggled with paint-wise was the the one coat lacquer. And, that you know, the testers lacquer discontinuing. And then the quality of the paint has basically gotten a lot worse to where you have to airbrush it now. You can't really spray it out of the can. I used to be able to spray that stuff out of the can, you know, right away when I got the model home, got it all cleaned up. Uh-huh.
01:26:23
Torben Rothgeb
and shot a coat of paint on it and I'm ready to go. Yeah. So that, that is nice. Um, but I, yeah, I think my thing too, is I feel like you're putting so much paint in the air when the spray can that it has so much more of a chance to pick up dust and debris. And then with more paint on the car, it takes longer to dry. So then you also get more time for dust to land on it. And, uh,
01:26:50
Torben Rothgeb
um so it's a vicious circle you know kudos to the people there are people out there who spray bomb stuff and win win awards yeah and win contests um but uh you know and whatever your method is if you get your method working for you then you know stay with it i guess yeah yeah but um Yeah. All right. Moving through, there's ah we'll do finish this new release real quick. Tamiya, at least it looked like new releases. I'm i'm not always up on these things, but ah Mercedes 500 SE and a Nissan GTR Y Special 2 Skyline sports car um was up on new releases on one of the ah model sites. I didn't notice that. I'm sure you know you can go over it with little Bob when you meet with him.
01:27:39
Torben Rothgeb
Oh, and a 2026 Lamborghini looked like it was in the new. New arrivals are coming soon. What's name that thing? It had a really interesting name. I'd never heard of it before. Yeah, I know what you're talking about.
01:27:53
Torben Rothgeb
So that is the ah that is the new releases. and that Well, you you missed the 71 GTX. Oh, yes. I don't want to do that. And the 87 Monte Carlo. And and part of the reason why I wanted to talk about those is that It caught me off completely off guard because I'm still trying to figure out where those molds are coming from because my understanding was that Revelle Germany had all the Revelle kits. Okay. And i didn't think they had those, the ones i was just talking about, the 71 GTX and the Monte Carlo. And the GTX actually has a new hood,
01:28:34
Torben Rothgeb
A custom hood. other parts, which is another thing that's through me because it's like, who's actually developing that? you know what mean? They had to start with something. The Monte Carlo is, I didn't even know it was still around.
01:28:48
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. For some reason I thought, you know, maybe it was retooled for the NASCAR kit or, you know, it just, I was, cause I built that kit when it came out. I really liked those cars. And it was a really nice kit to build.
01:29:02
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. yeah it was That was, you know, Ravel, Monogram. That was their... They were in their mojo moment with that stuff. all was That GTX, too, is a really, really nice kit.
01:29:15
Torben Rothgeb
it was They were reissued several times with different you know white plastic, nice decals. Now, can you build the stock one with the 71 GTX? Oh, yeah. They just give you options for the custom hood. Yeah, I'm ah i'm assuming they'll have all they'll open up the trees and it'll be all the...
01:29:34
Torben Rothgeb
Okay. It'll have all the stock parts. Even though it was accurate, it was 124 scale, but so what? That could be a future Wayne Puffer build. I would say that's possible. The 69 Dodge and the 70 Roadrunner. I could see that being the next. Yep.
01:29:51
Torben Rothgeb
Yep. Put on anyway a great paint job. A lot of engine detail. I didn't want to miss that in the discussion. so Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, I had missed. Oh, and the 82 Camaro Berlinetta Bliss.
01:30:04
Torben Rothgeb
It's another... that's That's not one that I'm familiar with. I'm sure it's some sort of... a That was a low version of the Camaro, right? If you couldn't afford the Z28? Yeah, limited edition Camaro.
01:30:18
Torben Rothgeb
It kind of reminds me of... you know They were doing some cars that were maybe focused on... women that might want a hunt sporty car like that. You know what mean? um Well, I think even like the Mustang back when it first came out, yeah they have certain six cylinder convertibles, you know, powder blue colors. So obviously they found something.
01:30:43
Torben Rothgeb
in the Camaro archives of a, of a production car. It has to be a production car. There's no way that that would have just been something that they dreamed up fictitious or the otherwise.
01:30:55
Torben Rothgeb
so yeah, it'll be interesting to see what it looks like, how it sells. You know, it's it's not a My Little Pony, but what is. Yeah, yeah. So, um yeah. the interest Interesting see. Yeah.
01:31:08
Torben Rothgeb
Okay. ah Yeah, so that is a lot of ah new releases. So kudos to the ah kit manufacturers. um You know, i know real quickly, ah the Salvino's, we talked about most of the stuff they had coming out, but they also have – ah Buddy Arrington, Kentucky Fried Chicken 71 Roadrunner kit.
01:31:30
Torben Rothgeb
And a Lenny Pond ah Oldsmobile number 54. That was a Rainier Racing ah car ah that he won with. And then tonight, stay tuned, they're supposed to be talking about their next ah kit of the month. Because, shockingly, the new Camaro molds are delayed another month.
01:31:52
Torben Rothgeb
So they're having to come up with a kit of the month, a new kit of the month for that. um So, and, you know, stay tuned any day now. The Lotus 38 could be showing up for the people who were willing to dole out. think it was 220. 225 is what I thought it was. 225. But it's, it's um you know, I watched the show and Rick's going to be intimate intimately involved in bagging up the the parts and don't forget lucas see he's working he's working nights yeah eight holes and elbows it's too hot in arizona to be working during the day so he's he's working the night shift working graveyard shift for lucas in that song but anyway um no i think um i don't know i still think they're relevant though i think they're still
01:32:43
Torben Rothgeb
No, I, read you know, you talk about Mobius and hopefully Dave's health holds up. I hope their health ah holds up and their finances hold up that they can, uh, I've given up on the Plymouth Superbird and stuff like that. but The Buddy Arrington car, that's a isn't that a member-only club exclusive? exclusive. Membership has its privileges. It's not American Express. so Yes.
01:33:16
Torben Rothgeb
But anyway, so no, I think it's, like you said, I think there they'll still be. And they just got done with the Ronnie Thomas. Right. Ronnie Thomas, great storyteller. um Yeah, he was able to talk about the early days of NASCAR where, you know, people were friends and buddies and it was all one big family.
01:33:36
Torben Rothgeb
so Have a peanut butter sandwich. Yep. Or bologna sandwiches. Bologna sandwiches. Yep, yep. Yep. Hopefully they can keep on, you know, keep on trucking because, yeah, it is, like we said, it's nice. that And they're supposed to have the Toyota molds after the Chevy molds. Whether that happens, it would be huge, them, since it seems like Toyota are winning most of the
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01:34:00
Torben Rothgeb
races. I think they kind of have to. If they want to do the race winners. Right. They kind of have to. They want to do the Daytona winner. I'm sure they're still getting money from Toyota, too, so that probably helps. Mm-hmm. So, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah.
01:34:12
Torben Rothgeb
so uh yeah and then talking about the question was the value of the salvino kits um and uh real quickly uh hitting that i think i don't think the camaros are ever going to be sky high because they made so many of them right and then you don't make them and the mistake a lot of people make with nascar kits is nascar kits don't hold their value it's all related to how many they made you know we see like And at the back to the 50s, the yeah Model Empire had a lot of $7, $10 NASCAR kits.
01:34:43
Torben Rothgeb
But they're mainly the the kits that came out in the 90s where they made just so many of them. And so, um you know, you have the Dodges in the early 2000s. Those kits are climbing up there. The Dodge truck goes for about 70 or 80 bucks. The Ryan Newman second version of the Dodge, and they did a Sterling Marlin second version too.
01:35:06
Torben Rothgeb
That's up there around 70 or 80. Even the first version of the Dodge, the Sterling Marlin and the Bill Elliott number nine one is, ah you know, that still grabs about 50 bucks because they didn't do very many of them.
01:35:18
Torben Rothgeb
Right. And then certainly the Ford Fusion, ah that's around 70 or 80 with the Kevin Harvick and Danica Patrick ones. um Even the SnapTite, they did the SnapTite Chevys with both, I know they did a Dale Jr. Then um the SnapTite and then the The yeah Chase Elliott 24 Chevy, Napa Chevy, that thing's well over $100. What was the Jimmy Johnson one you showed me at at back to the 50s? Well, and the Car of Tomorrow ones. That was the one that I was like, but I bought one last time. That was for $10. Yep, it was $10.
01:35:58
Torben Rothgeb
it was ten bucks um But those cars tomorrow, it's the only game in town. So, you know, like ah they did decals for, you know, like the Jeff Gordon. What was it? Hunger Drive to End Hunger is real cool. Candy Apple Red. They had Dale Jr. Batman one. So they did a lot of decals for those. and Jimmy Johnson's championship cars and stuff like that.
01:36:21
Torben Rothgeb
ah Tony Stewart's last championship, I believe, Office Depot or something like that. and You know, a lot of great, but if you want to do it, that's the only car in town. i know Mike did resin ones of those, so you didn't have to strip off the paint.
01:36:37
Torben Rothgeb
Mike Dowd. Yeah, Mike Dowd. But those, you know, again, they didn't make very many, so they're worth a lot. So I do think um there's some Salvino kits that that have the potential to be worth a lot. I do think, you know, maybe this Ford Dark Horse eventually down the line could be worth a lot because there just aren't going to be very many of them Right.
01:36:57
Torben Rothgeb
um so but and then even I thought the Toyotas would be, but who knows? Maybe they'll pick up. um I don't know. nobody knows Nobody knows. Nobody knows. But you know they are making fewer. That's their strategy, making fewer versions of these cars. I still think there were a lot of people that thought they were going to do more vintage cars. think when they came out. cars Oh, yeah. Because they're really not doing any now.
01:37:27
Torben Rothgeb
Not new molds. No, I know. And Rick will say, we came out with 10 vintage cars. Well, they were molds you already had. Right. And so whether it was the monogram ones that you bought. Monte Carlo to me doesn't count.
01:37:41
Torben Rothgeb
No, it's really sad. That's probably their biggest faux pas is just how off that body was. And it probably was that right at a technology time where was the worst time for it because now I'm sure you could get closer with AI. Of course. Or whatever. wouldn't even have to try. Yeah. um But yeah, when that body came out, the first I remember somebody built something really early on and I was like, holy crap, that looked.
01:38:08
Torben Rothgeb
And I can't believe they sold one of those. What was it? Traveler's Whiskey Throwback Car? I mean, what i just why didn't you at least use the Oldsmobile? Because you know in year with the other Monte Carlos they sold, they were able to put the real car on the box. Well, they didn't it was a fictitious car, so they had to put the kit on the box. And holy hell. um Yeah, you look at that on the box. I can't believe they sold more than five of those um but uh you know who knows and it's a hobby everybody has different things that they want so um road runners probably are going to go or still they've done a few enough uh the road runners i think yeah the early 70s chargers i think will still hold hold their value you know um
01:39:02
Torben Rothgeb
And then the Builders Club, it depends on the car. I mean, they did a Builders Club, Benny Parsons, Pontiac Le Mans. I don't think that has enough demand. Sure. um Now, I could see the um the purple, the Marty Robbins one. I could see that going for a fair amount sometimes. Maybe even the Olympia beer.
01:39:25
Torben Rothgeb
um Who was that dude? I know Ray Elder. Was it Ray Elder? i think That sounds right. The 90 Olympia beer charger. That sounds right.
01:39:36
Torben Rothgeb
So that that probably could be worth a little bit. Who knows? who is it some One of the sons is going to be on Salvino's, I think. is it I got Cody Roth in my mind from the back of the 50s. But no, it is. um it's not Arrington, is it? Is it his son?
01:39:53
Torben Rothgeb
Maybe. cody not I got Cody in my brain now. Cody Arrington. It'd be funny if it ended up being him. No, i thought I thought they were going to have one of their sons on. Yeah.
01:40:07
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, that sounds right. Maybe this Saturday. Yep. Yep. And it's a good looking car, the Kentucky Fried Chicken bacon car And they they explained how it had bacon on it. Not that they ever sold bacon at Kentucky Fried Chicken, but I don't know. One of the chains or one of the ah whatever people also sold bacon or something. or I don't know.
01:40:31
Torben Rothgeb
But it's a good looking car. Yeah. Yeah. at But I've got about three others that I wanted to build. you know I got the Mickey Mouse one, which is a cool story. of The 71 Roadrunners.
01:40:48
Torben Rothgeb
It actually was the last Plymouth that won. so you found the the pictures of the car. Yeah. Well, they made decals. Who made decals? Powerside. I think when they came out, it has Mickey Mouse on the thing. it's a Disney thing? Well, no. the It's got a kind of a funny story. um The owner, na ah Bill France, said this is a real Mickey Mouse organization. And this is before trademarking or something. So they put a picture of Mickey Mouse on the cover. It's a black car with gold numbers, 22.
01:41:22
Torben Rothgeb
oh so Not Pete Hamilton, but maybe maybe it's Dick um
01:41:30
Torben Rothgeb
Brooks, maybe. Okay. Maybe one of Anyway, they ended up winning a race, and it was Plymouth's last win, actually. So I wanted to build that car. I wanted to build Fred. better hurry, because, you know, Bob's building one.
01:41:43
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah.
01:41:46
Torben Rothgeb
Well, we'll see. well He just said this weekend, and Bob was there with me when he said it, that... After he saw that Charger 500 that was out in the you know in the street at the... Oh, Bob Halliday is building 71 Plymouth. I might have to rethink what I'm going to build for the Charger theme.
01:42:08
Torben Rothgeb
Okay. But this would be a Charger. yeah I'm talking about Plymouth right now. Right, but's anyone but I'm talking about the Challenges. Okay, yes. Because he had something else in mind. yeah He was going to a Buddy Arrington. Was that the last? That's the last time I talked to him.
01:42:25
Torben Rothgeb
Right, but that was the last Charger that won. The last Dodge? What was the last Dodge that Before they got back into it, it was Neil... Castles?
01:42:36
Torben Rothgeb
No, no. Who was? Yeah. Neil Bonnet had a 70 77. It was a number five J.D. Stacey. Salvino's did it.
01:42:47
Torben Rothgeb
Oh, they did the kit? Yeah, they did the kit. It was a charger? Yep. 77. Well, it wasn't a 77 charger, but they let him run them three years. He won it in 77.
01:42:59
Torben Rothgeb
What year charger was it? Probably like a 74 charger. Okay. I think. And I think they extended a year for Petty as well that he could run. But it was last win for Dodge before they got back in. And then, you know, obviously Sterling Marlin and Bill Elliott won races.
01:43:17
Torben Rothgeb
Probably Jeremy Mayfield maybe. Okay. Oh, and I think probably ah the dude who I bought the car, Brad Kleslowski, won the championship in a 2012 car tomorrow. But anyway, yeah, so ah needless to say, i got a lot of... ah I want to do the Freddie Lorenzen STP, uh, 71. So, and that leads me to our, uh, question of the month, our biggest struggle in model building. Mine is ADHD. I, uh, just, uh, you know, I have a very short attention span and I, uh, want to build all kinds of stuff. And, uh, but, uh,
01:43:59
Torben Rothgeb
You know, and starting a project is so much more fun than finishing a project. So that would be my biggest struggle in model building is staying focused.
01:44:11
Torben Rothgeb
And then I even have the conundrum of I'll debate whether, you know, I'll finish supper and like I can go down and, you know, work on that. But that's boring and I'm tired of that car. or I can start this new project. And I'm i'm debating with myself, well, if I stay focused, then I'm just not going to go down and do it.
01:44:33
Torben Rothgeb
I was like, well, working on something is better than working on nothing, right? Right. And so, ah but then actually sometimes working on something is worse than nothing because then you get unorganized, you lose the parts from the first project you were working on.
01:44:49
Torben Rothgeb
um You have no idea how this ended up in that box. And so you'd be better just not going down and working on something new because at least what you were working on would be on the workbench and it wouldn't get mixed up with other stuff. So that is ADHD thing focused. ah Do you have, what would you consider your biggest struggle? I think, I think that's probably pretty close to the same thing.
01:45:14
Torben Rothgeb
i think it's always fun to start a new project. There's no question. And, You'll run into times, and I'm sure you can relate to this, where you weren't planning on buying anything and you stopped in a hobby shop or you went to a show, whether it was a car show, or and you found this kit and you didn't even know you were going to find it. ah And it just, everything was like in sync. Like, you're like, oh man, this thing would be, this thing falls together. It's shake and bake deal. It's Tamia kit or it's a, you know, and
01:45:48
Torben Rothgeb
The dreaded impulse buy. Exactly. yes yeah Either the ready of the kit or the price. Oh, yeah. And one thing I've learned over the years is price is not a good reason. It's not. Because at the end of the day, and thankfully for me um my time is a lot ah more valuable valuable than the money is. And so ah five dollar paying for a kit is not going to get it built. right You know, at the time it's like, oh, I can't turn that down.
01:46:22
Torben Rothgeb
But, you know, at the end of the day, it's, it's how passionate you are about the project and that's going to get it built and finished. Yeah. And the other thing for me is just, um,
01:46:33
Torben Rothgeb
buying it because you know, you want it, you want the kit, but not well enough that, you know, to really start building it. You know, and the other thing i actually always have always struggled with this is that when there's, when there's challenges and themes and that kind of thing, it just gets in the way of, you know, what you really want to build. I mean, obviously in a perfect world,
01:46:57
Torben Rothgeb
you'd build all those challenges and you'd build all the themes and you'd have the trifecta or whatever. The triple crown, yes. Nobody can keep up with Jim Allen. It's just not going to happen because he's been done since like January. Yep, yep. And um he could start working on stuff for next year. Which reminds me, I have to order some more of those triple crown things.
01:47:19
Torben Rothgeb
I mean, and it's a great idea and everything, but it's just it's just a distraction for me because, and that's where I just always want to go back to staying focused with what I really want to build and and have fun. And that's really what's important to me. it's not It's not about the theme or whatever. And so for me, it's like, I just don't want to get distracted.
01:47:47
Torben Rothgeb
Well, the best possible scenario is when the theme ends up being a great reason to hit a stalled project or something that you'd always wanted to build. If you happen to it already out and you've already done a lot of work on it, yeah, for sure.
01:48:00
Torben Rothgeb
I mean, like if it ended up being something like for me, ah a VW challenge and I went out and bought a Volkswagen, then it's getting me sidetracked. Right, exactly. You know, but.
01:48:11
Torben Rothgeb
you know Certainly with something like the Charger or 80s things, well I had a million of those to do. so yeah Actually, it's funny, this year, you know because I built a a Charger and I built an 80s car, the thing that's going to ah be the biggest held up for my Triple Crown is the White Elephant.
01:48:30
Torben Rothgeb
um and that is the lotus not the lotus 38 but the tamia one uh well it's is it new new or uh oh is it it's uh what was that company that came out and built a couple um i got the box in here is it a formula one car yes i know the car you're talking about it's not a new new kid it's uh
01:48:57
Torben Rothgeb
yes and where is bob when we need him it is an ebro that's an ebro okay 120th uh lotus 49 so and i got everything painted and decaled for this um but youre well you know it's uh something i have not put together before so we will see we know who built it though cameron uh Guess again. Oh, Bob Ferrara. i mean And he did a really nice job on it too. It's it's fantastic. Yes. I think. if you got You got this done, which is the which is is a hard thing to paint.
01:49:39
Torben Rothgeb
And and his his turned out really great too. Yeah. Yeah, I think the hard thing, I think Bob was saying, because he built he didn't build this one, but he built another. You put a screw into where the engine goes in, and then but once it's in, it's locked in. You can't take it out. And so it has to be, you know, because it affects...
01:50:02
Torben Rothgeb
That's one of the harder things with these open-wheel cars because the engine, the axle goes through kind of where the engine is at Yeah. And so that can really mess with your ride height. yeah And the other thing that, I mean, you can see it in the picture on the box, the wheels should not be that chrome.
01:50:19
Torben Rothgeb
Yes. yeah They should be polished, but not. Those are chrome. I mean, those are the way. they Don't they come that way in the kit? ah Yeah. I think it has a chrome tree in it. I think I painted the wheels now. Okay.
01:50:37
Torben Rothgeb
So you used the, ah what's the name of that chrome? the AK. Oh, that's what you used? Okay. Yeah. Oh, nice oh yeah yeah. Oh, that's a reminder, though. I think I have to go back and do these things.
01:50:53
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, I didn't like those, so I stripped that back off. so um Because these go somewhere in like this. It looks like, it's funny, it almost looks like the dog the collar you put when a dog gets surgery or something. and the interesting thing, like you say, is that It's your white elephant. So you go, you you think yourself, well, I can wait till November it to start the thing. Yes. Well, you know, I do have at least 50% of it done. So um it's always there it's always the left.
01:51:25
Torben Rothgeb
and it's the longest forty nine percent yeah okay that you're finishing you know But hopefully just getting my triple crown and getting the white. Because it is really great. And and with the RPM Club, you know we probably have about 50, 60 people there.
01:51:41
Torben Rothgeb
So when you have a ah ah a really ah high number, ah getting back and sitting and looking at the whole room, ah it is nice to be able to pick.
Summer Joys and Podcast Conclusion
01:51:52
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, it works out better every time. yeah yep so It's a no-brainer in my opinion. Well, you know, I remember one person complaining when they got like a snap kit or something like that. It's like, well, at least you can get it done really quick and get a good one next year.
01:52:09
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. So, no, that is ADHD, the modeler's worst. No, that's a good one. yeah yeah but at the same time another thing i have uh a quote at my workbench is life is about the journey and not the destination and there's a certain amount of joy that you get from ah planning um a project putting a project together um even before it gets stalled you had enjoyment working on it and So, ah you know, just because it never gets to the light of the day doesn't mean that it didn't give you some kind of enjoyment, you know. Whatever brings you joy. Whatever brings you joy. Yep, yep.
01:52:55
Torben Rothgeb
All right, so that is our question of the month, and that gets us to ah our one, a slumps. Speaking of stalled projects, something worse than stalled projects is when you're just not completing anything, and I've seen that ah from a number of of modelers online and in our clubs. um What do you think causes slumps? What do think?
01:53:23
Torben Rothgeb
I think it could be any number of things. I mean... i kind of I've kind of been in one lately, and it's mainly because of other things that are outside of my control.
01:53:35
Torben Rothgeb
So everyday life, that's certainly one. Everyday life is what's actually taken up taking me pretty hard, it's still not done because, of course, when somebody has cancer, there's no end in sight. But anyway, um yeah so you lose focus and you lose – the drive to, to actually go down and work at the bench and say, you know, try to try to focus on something that's important to you, which would be, you know, getting something done.
01:54:05
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, there's other things I've had issues with paint, where i couldn't paint anything i was just having nothing turning out the way i wanted it to okay bad results bad results and i just had to basically walk away and you know frustrating frustrated right so yeah i mean there's any number of things um but you know it's just something you go through uh You know, it's obvious if it's a family type of thing or something else or even just, you know, the weather is not.
01:54:43
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. Maybe it's just, you know, you're having just a lot of issues with, you know, stuff. so Yeah, I think the only time that I've had a slump was right right after I got divorced and then I, you know, I moved out. So I didn't really have a good place to work.
01:55:01
Torben Rothgeb
That's huge, actually. Yeah, yeah. The kids were young, so then there was, ah you know, driving them to school and everything and just work and stuff. where I went probably a year without getting much built.
01:55:17
Torben Rothgeb
um But, that you know, that... That, ah you know, everyday life and then emotionally, you know, things can take its toll on you that you just don't have much to give.
01:55:31
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. um You know, but, and so ah what what are solutions for slumps? What do you think? but What would you recommend, say somebody's coming up to you? there's I think there's solutions. I think it's hard to find one that's,
01:55:50
Torben Rothgeb
consistently there to to do it. Because you it you has to be something that you want to work on. and you have to You have to be in the right frame of mind.
01:56:00
Torben Rothgeb
um For me, you know, the hobby always rewarding for me. i mean, I can go spend You know, this is something I've always lived about, kind of my, how I feel things are, is that I can spend, if I have like no time at all, like I've got, you know, stuff to do outside, you know, yard work, blah, blah, blah, blah. blah I can get up at five o'clock in the morning.
01:56:29
Torben Rothgeb
Everybody's still asleep. I can spend 15 minutes on the bench, get a bunch of work done and I feel great. I mean, it's like a motivating tool for me. yeah And so that's something I always try to get back back to every day if I can. Obviously you're going to have exceptions with holidays or family trips or whatever it is. yeah um Just to spend a few minutes every day. i know Bob, you can talk to Bob, he'll say the same thing.
01:56:58
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. You can get a lot done. For me, it is the escape. It really is the escape from the everyday world. It's an emotional you know thing for me. I really don't need the radio. I don't need any of that stuff. And I can just um focus on one thing or whatever.
01:57:17
Torben Rothgeb
So, yeah, for me, it is. Yeah. Just that escape, getting away from things, relieving stress. And, you know, and I think, You know, part of the things that makes things stressful is not having control.
01:57:30
Torben Rothgeb
But the nice thing about the hobby is that you have control. You know, you don't need ah you don't need weather even. know um And, you know, there's enough things that even money, if you you happen to be short on money. ah God knows most of us anyway have enough stuff already there. Stockpiled.
01:57:52
Torben Rothgeb
Stockpiled, yes. Even paint and all this. Oh, yes, absolutely. lot of times it's like, you know what, you have the paint, just can't find it. It's easier just to run to the store and buy another bottle or whatever. Yes. But yeah, no, you're right. It's...
01:58:07
Torben Rothgeb
Well, i you know I would start with ah for ah breaking a slump. I think of it like a fire. ah You need some kindling. So start with something simple. you know I talked to somebody who had not built something for a long time, and he was talking about this this really intricate project.
01:58:29
Torben Rothgeb
Somebody I know? Yes. yes we want and And my first thought was... Keep it simple. If you haven't built something for a while, get a snap tip kit or a Tamiya that's really well engineered, maybe doesn't have an engine or something like that.
01:58:49
Torben Rothgeb
One color, simple, easy paint, you know, something just for fun to get you back in it, you know. Mm-hmm. Don't take yourself too seriously. Don't even think about building something for a a contest or a theme.
01:59:05
Torben Rothgeb
you know Perfection is the enemy of production. you know um You're building for fun. yeah so that's like That's a good way out. you know I feel like some of the hyper-competitive people are here and gone. now They're here, they collect a bunch of trophies, and then they're kind of gone.
01:59:24
Torben Rothgeb
right um because oh that's absolutely true I don't necessarily think that's sustainable compete the people that are in the club right now i mean the heart and soul of the club yeah are people that are always going to be there they're not going to even if they're in a slump or they're not or whatever they're still going to be there come yeah you know part of the part of the hobby part of everyday life or whatever and you know I think anybody who is like building that's not for fun, it's just not sustainable. No. And they seem to be some of those people that show up. Maybe they do great stuff and you wish they would come back. Right. But ah their heart isn't necessarily in a place where it'll, ah you know, either they wanted to win and they won and it doesn't intrigue them anymore. or
02:00:17
Torben Rothgeb
You know, they built a certain level and they only want to build at that level. And so they're, you know, but, uh, or they get so upset about not winning a contest that they're disgruntled and they're like, Oh, I'm done with this, you know? So,
02:00:33
Torben Rothgeb
um At the end of the day, it's great to win awards, but at the same time, if that's your main a thing that's that's keeping you going, I don't know how sustainable it is. sure you know but So then you know not take yourself too seriously and just keep it fun. Keep it simple.
02:00:55
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. yeah it's it's supposed to be know It's supposed to be fun. So if it's not, you know make it that way. yeah absolutely oh Yeah, absolutely. All right. Well, that we are down to our last one, our super six ah being summertime.
02:01:12
Torben Rothgeb
What are your favorite things about summer?
02:01:18
Torben Rothgeb
Well, ah obviously the weather. Yes. I think that would be a big, a big, pull I mean, you're talking about summer. We don't have that much of a summer, really. Especially ah in Minnesota. Certainly it's nice to be able to get outside.
02:01:35
Torben Rothgeb
but I don't let that ah affect the hobby for me because I can build year round and still get a lot out of it.
02:01:46
Torben Rothgeb
But yeah, I really, ah you know I could go on and on about the weather. Obviously, we're not going to do that. but Yeah, it's it's everything for me. um you know i'll I'll just say you know the the temperature. and the okay you know it's You reach a point ah point where you're not going to have you know snow or ice. or anything i mean that's Obviously, that's Minnesota, but you're not going to to worry about
02:02:19
Torben Rothgeb
certain things that drive you to, to have to do something that you wouldn't normally do. The stuff you don't have to do about it. So you don't have to worry about shoveling the driveway or keeping the sidewalk iced. Right. Um, certainly, ah weather can be a rainstorm, thunderstorm can pop up, but it's not the same as driving through a blizzard. Right. Um, okay. I mean, like even just going to a show, for example, certain times of the year, have to, you're worried about it. Yeah. Yeah. And you don't really don't have to worry. Like I'll give you an example, Lincoln. You're not going to worry about weather when we go to that. Cause it'll be hot.
02:02:56
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. And you we can basically fly, you know, to to where you need to go. So anyway, absolutely. I will go with the food. i go summer food. um Yeah. Of course you can eat ice cream in the winter time, but it's not the same as a hot day getting a ice cream, root beer float.
02:03:17
Torben Rothgeb
um a lot of times you're at uh fairs or outdoor things so you're more likely to have you know whether it's corn dogs or whatever else the summer food elephant ears uh summer food is is really good corn on the cob seems to be a little you know stuff like that so picnics salads i'll go with the the food hu i'll go with um car events Car showss star shows, races, memorabilia show, you know, you know, going to, you know, Wisconsin and going to Elkhart Lake to, you know, something there or like you said, the car show. Whoops. Sorry about that. um
02:04:04
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. It's just the weather affects obviously that kind of thing, but in some ways it doesn't. So, um, you know all right I would say car shows, races, whatever. so I'll go with swimming.
02:04:19
Torben Rothgeb
it was Nothing like jumping into a pool on a really hot day. And, uh, you know, obviously the older you get, it's not as fun as when you're a kid and splash, splashing around or doing cannonballs or dunking, uh, dunking your brother or splash fighting. or We used to play water baseball with a tennis ball in the pool, which was, uh, we were having fun. The adults weren't, especially when a foul ball would go astray, course hit some lady who was laying out at the pool. Uh, yeah, but, uh, No, swimming, uh, is, is, uh, and then even, you know, going in the lakes, if you can get, some that, yeah that, uh, have clean enough water at, uh, uh, that's a ah summertime,
02:05:07
Torben Rothgeb
Summertime must, I think, at least one, at least to try to swimming at least once every summer. Well, that's that's a nice goal because, you know, you're right you just forget about it sometimes. You don't think it's that relevant, but it really kind of is in this state because there's so many places you can go.
02:05:25
Torben Rothgeb
um i like to do a lot of things outside in the summertime that I normally wouldn't do inside. know I mean? Mm-hmm. whether it's reading outside, you know, trying to just take everything out there instead of.
02:05:42
Torben Rothgeb
Like the hammock crowd. Well, I mean, I'll even, I'll even take like, like if I'm, if I'm going to work on something for a project that I've already got going, I can actually bring stuff outside and, you know, sand the stuff down or, you know,
02:05:59
Torben Rothgeb
That's probably a good idea for fumes, painting outside. Oh, yeah. Well, that's exactly why I do it because i wouldn't paint out there, but just to get... And even just if I wanted to photograph something um in the summer, you can just you can get natural better natural light. don't have to bring a flash or any of that kind of thing.
02:06:20
Torben Rothgeb
um But, yeah, i just... I like to be outside in the summer because it's just easier and you know... Plus the light is obviously better and you know, you can get up early in the morning and the sun's already up.
02:06:34
Torben Rothgeb
I just feel like it's the days are a lot longer too. That is a, yeah, there's nothing more depressing and and you wouldn't know this now that you're retired, but you know, in December when you get home from work and it's already dark, it's like, what the heck? You know,
02:06:52
Torben Rothgeb
um so yeah you start to feel like a vampire too you know now i'm lucky enough to have windows and kind of be able to go outside at work um uh still you're just getting so much less daylight and speaking of sun i would say i like you know being tan not that i'm out laying out or i'm some bronze uh person and But it's just nicer to be a little bit tan rather than ghostly white. You know, again, speaking of a vampire walking around in wintertime being super white. So ah it's ah good. to And sometimes it just feels good to have some sun on you.
02:07:31
Torben Rothgeb
um I know it's, you know, you want to have some protection. I've certainly been to the dermatologist enough where they had a football cut and a punch cut and it'd carve you up like a ham for... possible melanomas so uh by all means be safe when you're out in the sun but it is nice so soaking up the sun we're up to what that was for right yep yep well i mean you we've we've pretty much done it only in the summertime but When we meet at the coffee shops, that's always in the summertime. but Yes. yep We can't do that any other time of the year. and its
02:08:08
Torben Rothgeb
I always enjoy that when we can do it, you know your bike rides or whatever. Yeah, riding the bike in the summer. It's a lot more exercise. It's easier to get exercise. Leah and I played the tennis yesterday. oh Obviously, you're not going out playing tennis in the winter. No? I used to play tennis when I was a younger It's a nice, nice activity. We play very leisurely. So it's, ah you know, we don't even serve or keep score. We just kind of volley back and forth. Yeah, that's a great, that's a great hobby. Yeah, it's much easier to stay active in the summertime.
02:08:44
Torben Rothgeb
So we're down to one more. um Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. I can't really think. I had one and I forgot it again. i don't know. That's frustrating. Yeah. I had number six and I forgot it again.
02:08:59
Torben Rothgeb
ah But, you know, of course, ah I've got a real easy one as being in education that you have the time off. Having the summer off is really nice.
02:09:12
Torben Rothgeb
Another thing, when we had the drive-in, I would say the drive-in was great with the yeah summer. um We still have them. You just can't find them anywhere. Well, we used to have the one over in, was it Lake Elmo? or Oh, yeah yeah. That was really the closest, not too far off. um But I will substitute the drive-in with the Riverview you has a midnight movie.
02:09:34
Torben Rothgeb
um We were able to go see Lost Boys. Oh, yeah, you're telling me that. With Corey Haim and Corey Feldman, a great acting team. they like ah but And Kiefer Sullivan, Sutherland, was really well good. he He plays such a great bad guy.
02:09:54
Torben Rothgeb
he was a great bad guy in Stand By Me, you know. um His dad was a good bad guy too, Donald Sutherland. so Yeah. Boy, I felt sorry for the mom in that family and a couple A-holes at the dinner table. Well, that was perfect, you know. Yeah, yeah. but So the midnight movies ah kind of things that they have at at the summer.
02:10:16
Torben Rothgeb
It's fun. Summer movies. um You know, some of the biggest classics of all times were considered summer movies. We just got back. We did ah Toy Story 5, which I would recommend. okay Okay. It's a yeah pretty good movie.
02:10:32
Torben Rothgeb
deals with kids and technology and stuff like that. Uh, you know, but, uh, it's, uh, Pixar always has a, does a pretty good job of storytelling. Oh yeah. So, uh, you know, he has a good message and stuff.
02:10:46
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. No. Uh, so summer movies with, uh, you know, over the years, star Wars, Raiders the lost art, uh, a lot of great summer movies, jaws. Um, so,
02:10:58
Torben Rothgeb
All right. Well, that, you know, i think that will wrap it up. ah Thank you. I think we got, amazingly, we got over two hours and 11 minutes without Bob chiming in. Well, you'll probably did set a new record when he's on.
02:11:18
Torben Rothgeb
No, I don't know. I would say that we are not going to be able to approach really If I had to, I would put the under over for ah Bob at an hour and 45, maybe an hour and 30. We'll see. Because, you know, I think at least building wise, we have more in common.
02:11:42
Torben Rothgeb
you know uh but uh who knows how to talk about and stuff yeah yeah uh but but we'll see but uh uh thanks jim and you are uh getting ready for vacation where are you going little uh cordelaine idaho okay nice you gonna bring us back some potatoes is that what you think it is You don't know what it is, do you? No. what i ah it's It's a vacation place. It's a play place you might be interested in. I would just say, you know, look into some, but you know, going online and and look into it.
02:12:17
Torben Rothgeb
it's ah It's a very beautiful area that, um don't you know, it's one of those things where a lot of people don't know what it is. But then you'll reach out to somebody and they'll oh my God, you got to go there.
02:12:34
Torben Rothgeb
um we We found out about it, actually we, I should say, when my brother and I moved my stepmom back to Minnesota from Seattle.
02:12:46
Torben Rothgeb
Okay. And well, this is a story i'll work you'll recognize. My brother was... I found this bumper on eBay, this enduro bumper.
02:12:57
Torben Rothgeb
For 70 GTO. For 70 GTO. And he has one, but it's a reproduction. And he's always wanted to have the real McCoy because everything else is. I spotted that right away. i was going to say. Yeah, i know you did. You didn't tell anybody, which was nice. But anyway, so he, you know, he went online, found this thing.
02:13:15
Torben Rothgeb
All the guy had on his, on his listing was, um he had a picture of him, like looking down at the bumper on the floor. And all you can do is see his feet. Yeah.
02:13:28
Torben Rothgeb
And it was a terrible picture and he didn't have it listed correctly. So people didn't know it was a 70 Enduro bumper. He had a misspelled or something like that. But it was a buy it now for a hundred bucks, but you had to come get it.
02:13:42
Torben Rothgeb
And he was in Coeur d'Alene. Okay. And so my brother's like, you know, I really want this bumper. And I said, well, said, do you know, if you want to go, cause we're going anyway, we just have to make a side trip.
02:13:55
Torben Rothgeb
And so, you know, I was retired. He wasn't, but he had some time off and stuff. So we pointed out, we had to get like the biggest SUV we can rent. Cause we didn't, well, we didn't know how big it was going to be. And we knew it was big, but we didn't know how big it was going to be. Uh, but my brother started doing some research, you know, he just happened to look up, you know, what's Coeur d'Alene? Why is it, you know, what is it? What is it? Why is it? And he's really into, um,
02:14:23
Torben Rothgeb
mountain biking and and riding bikes. and Okay. Like at home. I mean, you just still do in the wintertime and everything. And he thought that thought that was a really great place to go. And it's really beautiful. and there's a lot of water and stuff. You know, it's it's hard to explain, but it's it's just very unique. It's very, ah um it's just preserved.
02:14:47
Torben Rothgeb
oh Anyway, so he's like, you know, let's go. And he's like, I think we have to spend we can We can maybe check it out while we're there. so we went and got the bumper. We had to do use GPS because we couldn't find the guy's house. He was out in the sticks.
02:15:01
Torben Rothgeb
And I got the bumper. Look, it turned out, you know, it was really pretty nice. ah um And we went and just drove around there for like, don't know, we we could only spend maybe a couple hours in town because we had to get going to get to um Port Towns, and which is, you know, it's probably like about another seven, eight hour drive from where we were. But um yeah, so so now you're going back.
02:15:28
Torben Rothgeb
So yeah, so um my, so my wife's sister lives in Spokane, which is only about a half an hour from Coeur d'Alene.
02:15:39
Torben Rothgeb
And we had tickets we had to use because we had planned a trip to see ah her aunt and uncle in California, and they're not doing very well. And and then with Donna's situation with her cancer, um we had to use the tickets and I just said, Hey, what about quarter lane? Maybe we can hook up with your sister and spend some time with them. And so we ended up getting the tickets, basically exchanged them for these tickets.
02:16:07
Torben Rothgeb
The only downside is we have to change planes in Denver, which isn't going to be a big deal, but anyway, so we're going to spend a few days. Do you know they have the second largest airport in the world in Denver?
02:16:18
Torben Rothgeb
I thought Torben was full of it. doesn't surprise me. yeah um It's a newer airport, though, if they built a new airport. The one that was there before was a bit smaller.
02:16:28
Torben Rothgeb
They got these real ah cool looking like they look like big tent things when you're taxiing down there. But yeah. Anyway, that reminds me of a joke. oh So you got a ah a ah some people are riding in a car. you got a guy from Wisconsin, a guy from Minnesota, a guy from Iowa, and a guy from Idaho. And so they're going down the road, and all of a sudden the guy from Idaho starts chucking potatoes out the window. It's like, what are you doing? I'm from iowa we are Idaho. We got more potatoes than we know what to do with.
02:17:03
Torben Rothgeb
So the guy from Iowa starts throwing these corn corn cobs out there. it's like, what are you doing now? And it's like, oh, well, I'm from Iowa. We have so much corn there. We don't know what to do with it.
02:17:14
Torben Rothgeb
So the guy from Minnesota grabs the guy from Wisconsin and chucks him out the window. It's like, I'm from Minnesota. We got so many damn people from Wisconsin. We don't know what to do with them. And he was probably wearing Packers gear too. Probably. Yeah.
02:17:30
Torben Rothgeb
It's funny. I went to Denver and I expected to see a lot of people wearing Bronco stuff, but like one person has a kid, but about two different people wearing Packers stuff. You can't go out the house if you're from Wisconsin without something that says Packers. No, I saw a 56 Chevy over at back to the 50s. Did you see that one? oh Yeah, it was Packers completely yellow over green. All over the thing. So no, it's it's a you know it's a thing. It's a cult for the Wisconsin people. No, it was interesting. it's always You always learn something maybe didn't know before about the other person or you know life or whatever.
02:18:09
Torben Rothgeb
so yeah, it's it's ah it's a good time. so All right. Well, that will just about do it for episode 19. Shout out to Tony Gwynn, number 19, my favorite baseball player growing up. a Heck of a hitter.
02:18:23
Torben Rothgeb
Almost hit 400. Maybe if 1994 wouldn't have been a strike, he could have done it. Who knows? But to rest in peace, ah Tony Gwynn. Shout out to our wonderful sponsors, Randy's 3D Printing. Mm-hmm. And Olivia's dog walking service. Contact her for all your dog walking needs.
02:18:45
Torben Rothgeb
And that that'll do it. So thanks for our listeners. I hope any of our listeners from Wisconsin are not too offended by the joke. You forgot one other thing. Clint's printing. No.
02:18:55
Torben Rothgeb
Clint's decal maker. Your wife or your your mom's passing away. Oh, yes. Thank you. And thank you for the card. Oh, yes. You know, ah talking about ah moms and and dads and what they do for the hobby. My mom certainly ah bought me a lot of cars, Hot Wheels, Matchbox cars, slot car tracks, model cars over the years. So thank you for that, mom. And hopefully you're looking down and, you know, listening to the show from the other side. So until next time when Bob is back here later in the week, take care and have a great vacation, Jim. Sure.
02:19:39
Torben Rothgeb
Hopefully our Wisconsin listeners weren't too offended by the joke. You know, we love our people. Yes. I am done with the show. never Never listening. I'll be back.