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Episode #16
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Torben, Bob, and Jim talk about the recent Hope it Don't Snow show, recently released model magazines, the history of AMT, dream about potential modified re-releases if they were in charge, and the 24 hour challenge.
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Transcript
Introduction and Guest Appearance
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Torben Rothgeb
um right now seven eleven Welcome to the Tiny Car Podcast. This is your host, Torben Rosgev, and my co-host, Madrick, coming to you live from the Lake Street Studios in beautiful Minneapolis, the coolest city in the world.
00:00:19
Torben Rothgeb
Hello, Tiny Car Podcasters. I hope everything is well. We are living well up here in Minneapolis. It almost feels like spring. We have our superstar, guest star, Jim Campman with us. How's it going, Jim?
00:00:34
Torben Rothgeb
Going a lot better than just said that. And Bob Madrich. How's it going, Bob? Fabulous. I've got cookie in my mouth and talking about a lot stuff. Well, timing is everything entertainment. Everything, everything.
00:00:49
Torben Rothgeb
Well, you go ahead and chew away because I've got plenty of stuff to
Event and Museum Highlights
00:00:52
Torben Rothgeb
talk about. we have the Hope It Don't Snow Show. We have the 24-hour build that one of us participated in. Sure. We have all kinds of upcoming shows. We have a new one in Nebraska to talk about. i guess they moved um the museum from Utah to Nebraska, and that's going to be quite an event. One for the ages. One for the ages. We got a lot of shout outs to talk about with the 2025 contest annual and the...
00:01:21
Torben Rothgeb
Auto Modeler Top 10. And then we have a Scale Model Enthusiast. Not Scale Auto Enthusiast, but Scale Model Enthusiast. Brand new magazine ah that Bob and Jim have covered page for page. So they'll be able to tell us all kinds of cool stuff about that. I'm ready
Magazine Review and Hobby Resurgence
00:01:39
Torben Rothgeb
to go.
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Torben Rothgeb
Ready to go. All Well, take it away. What you think about the new Scale Model Enthusiast? You put me on the spot here, man. It's actually a nice magazine. um which one are we talking about scale model model and tail yeah yeah it's got a really nice cover shot of a t-bird and a cadillac cadillac they're very nice magazine is got nice paper nicely nicely done it's very professional very sharp it's uh four times a year is the plan no subscriptions from what i understand wow or maybe i'm wrong about that but um
00:02:16
Torben Rothgeb
It's four times a year. So you can only buy it at the hobby shops. well right Yeah, the first first issue, which you know there's plenty of at scale model supply. And it also has other things in it. It's not just automotive. It's not just cars, right. Right. It's other types of models.
00:02:33
Torben Rothgeb
I mean, there's some cool airplane stuff. There's the Chamber of Horrors guillotine I remember building as a ah child, the Aurora, Polar Lights, Reissure. Also a diorama of...
00:02:45
Torben Rothgeb
called the bloodbath. I'll leave that to your imagination. Bloodbath. That sounds really gory. what you know What is that? Is that an actual kit? Or did somebody cut themselves at the workbench? No, no know it's a Warhammer diorama.
00:02:59
Torben Rothgeb
There's a couple of them. The making of a bloodbath. And, you know, there's some older models that are so great. I mean, this... this ah Dave Barry's McLaren. It was a masterpiece when he debuted it at Salt Lake and Clean House. It's fantastic.
00:03:14
Torben Rothgeb
Fantastic man. Yeah, I was pleasantly surprised. Someone else had told me that he was lukewarm to the magazine. I'll let that person remain nameless. Yes. But i i saw at the newsstand last Saturday, and I couldn't put it down.
00:03:30
Torben Rothgeb
So the the picture quality is fabul great as the anything I've ever seen in a model magazine. Nice. And it's got some really good content. There's some big names. Randy Deere has a really nice charger on in one of the and the issue.
00:03:45
Torben Rothgeb
um It's just well ah laid out, it's very professional. for sure A really nice Porsche from Jim Drew. a Chevy van for those inclined. um that' Nicely done. Is that a Chevy or a Dodge? It's a Dodge.
Community Challenges
00:04:01
Torben Rothgeb
I can't sing the song then, know?
00:04:04
Torben Rothgeb
not not to be Not to be confused with the the the hairless van or whatever it is. The shirtless van. The shirtless van. That our beloved Bob Halliday has. The shirtless van, He didn't want to mess up his good shirt, so he was doing last-second touch-ups for the Milwaukee NNL. That's true. It's a legendary story. Yes. so Anyway, but yeah it's really well done. i also picked up the latest auto modeler.
00:04:30
Torben Rothgeb
Another one that has really, i'd say this is the best magazine they've done, period, ah for material, photos. um Coincidentally, i just sent Tim Boyd a nice note about we provided some eat feedback to scotts more daughters to Scott Colmer regarding what we thought of the magazine.
00:04:53
Torben Rothgeb
And Tim wanted us to be objective with it. And so we were and They obviously paid attention because the magazine is it's a home run. It could be said that we single-handedly turned it around. I would never take credit for that, but it it did I'm sure it didn't fall on deaf ears. Yes. Well, anytime you have Tim Boyd involved in something, sure it's going to. Yes, and he's not even listening. I know.
00:05:19
Torben Rothgeb
um But, yeah, no, it's it's well I think it's well worth the $10. it working? to ten dollars um But yeah, no, it's it's great to see the hobby flourishing, and I really believe that it is.
00:05:31
Torben Rothgeb
And this is another example of that. When you have someone you know that's committed this kind of time and money to do a magazine of this quality, you know when you talk about scale-out has been gone for how many years?
00:05:46
Torben Rothgeb
Four five years. At least. It ended right about that pandemic. covid COVID. Yeah, so yeah, 90 2010, 2020. 2021. Anyway, um it's like I said, it's it's going well. i think I think the hobby is is doing really well.
Show Highlights and Model Building Experiences
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Torben Rothgeb
My grandson today, we were chatting and he asked me a question. When was the most, when was it like the highlight, the high point of, he said,
00:06:14
Torben Rothgeb
model model building. And I said, you know, people, a lot of people say the sixties and seventies. I said, but I said, I think it's now I said, because not just the The level and quality of airplane and armor kits is through the roof, you know, and but the cars kits are through the roof. And I said, you've got Gundam models that just sell an amazing amount of those things. Those who are about pushing the forward hobby.
00:06:40
Torben Rothgeb
i would i would say yeah I would say that COVID played a big part exactly yeah in the hobby, kind of a revitalization process. Or people were stuck in their houses and they didn't want to go outside, but they could you know easily you know get on the computer, order up something, and they're off to the races. so And it's people that maybe hadn't built in a long time. Maybe they built as a teenager or whatever or had a full-time job, retired, and...
00:07:10
Torben Rothgeb
Hey, need something to do. This looks really interesting. So, yeah, I think it played a big part in the. enough Well, and in a weird way, things have kind of come full circle. don't if it's full circle, but that's the right way to look at it. But um with all of the screens that people are looking at um and this instant gratification and this um just constant, ah you know,
00:07:38
Torben Rothgeb
the way you're just looking at stuff and the way are... Constant stimulation. stimulation that you need to reset. And, you know, people talk about mindfulness. And ah in in recent years, you've seen like even ah like coloring books for adults and knitting and different things... Puzzles....have really taken off because it resets your brain. It does. And so I feel like ah Model Cars is great for that,
00:08:04
Torben Rothgeb
ah to get away from things and just to focus on one thing. And, ah you know, and I think that has really helped the hobby. And, you know, if you talk about like the 60s or the 70s or, you know, the 60s had probably the most...
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Torben Rothgeb
the the higher percentage of people that were building model cars. Because when you think about your childhood and even when you were at school talking to your friends and stuff like that, you probably half the kids were building model cars, right? yeah, lot of them were building models, sure.
00:08:33
Torben Rothgeb
You know, for me in the 80s, I felt like that was something I just kind of did. I couldn't think of anybody else who did it. So the percentages were greater in the 60s.
00:08:45
Torben Rothgeb
But if you look at all the resources now, you look at the materials – I know ah people talk about things that would have won best in show in the 80s wouldn't even come close nowadays. you know And that's not to say that we're necessarily better model car builders now, but with the materials and the polishing kits and the paints and the bare metal foil. Imagination, practice, practicing the craft, which we talk about a lot, which is really important.
00:09:13
Torben Rothgeb
You know, there's reh the the obviously resonant PE e and now 3D printing and stuff, you know, where you can get all kinds of stuff. It's amazing.
Innovations in Model Building Techniques
00:09:21
Torben Rothgeb
Well, just just look at paint. Oh, God, yes. I mean, I've said this before, and I'll say it again, that to me, a lacquer paint was was a game changer for a lot of people, I believe. Yeah.
00:09:34
Torben Rothgeb
And it still is popular now, if not more, than was when it came out. Right. um You've got Mr. Hobby now. The self-leveling thinner. That has helped all the paints. And you go back to zero and all the aftermarket companies that came about, you know, Fred Katie, bare metal little foil. Replica miniatures. Yeah, but I mean like, you know. um Evergreen, styrene, um you know all that stuff, magazines, everything that you need to build a model.
00:10:06
Torben Rothgeb
um And then, of course, the clubs. i mean they they They play an integral role in the hobby, participation. and Yeah. Contests, just meeting with other people, seeing what they're doing, learning from different ideas. Absolutely. well Sharing their um new knowledge. Expertise. yeah If I look back at the early 2000s, and I had about five years ah as an adult builder, and I was reading Scale Auto and stuff like that, but I had still kind of hit a ceiling. And then just thinking about all the stuff that
00:10:43
Torben Rothgeb
That you get just from one person to another is being able to ask a person and have them give you instant feedback is what you can't get from a magazine. And not to beat the drum or whatever, but if you look at the types of.
00:10:58
Torben Rothgeb
model cars that people are buying now. The examples of what people want. You know, the whole muscle car thing was a huge addition to the hobby that people were craving. They didn't want the... I think about when you were going, Torben, to like whatever it was, Kmart or whatever those stores were in, all they had was, you know, this 76 Pinto. A snake bite. all Right. Or whatever. But you bought it and you built it and you had fun. Yeah. Right. So, so it's, you know, it's come a long, long way and it's still, still going.
00:11:35
Torben Rothgeb
And I think, you know, I beat the drum on this. It's a solitary hobby. And when you can get together with friends, you know, your compatriots and then, know, get together and talk about these at ah model club meetings and then going to shows and just looking at the different variants of everything from sci-fi to ships to everything. You learn from everything. So, yeah I mean, we could segue into Rochester. Yeah, well, speaking of everything, the Hope It Don't Snow show has everything. And even how it's changed over the years, because I think it was about 2005 or 2006 the first time I went there. And it seemed like ah the cars was the smallest. yeah And over the years, my goodness, i I even had all my stuff written out this time, which is unusual. um But then I still, by the time I got to the table, it was filled. you know We had to open up another spot for cars.
00:12:30
Torben Rothgeb
Cars and airplanes now compete for the most The most entries. And the same thing at Nordicont. They compete. They're right next to each other. And as ah as a judge for that show, I can tell you that it's it's as as much work at this show as any that we do. The quality is excellent. um There's a ah ton of variety of different types of models.
00:12:55
Torben Rothgeb
And it's just it's it's a challenge, but it's a fun challenge. It's something you look forward to. And like I like to see people win. you know It really means a lot to me. and i you know I've seen some of these guys come so far, and I'm not going to name names because you know what talking about, but they're just so much better yeah ah at their craft that it's great to see that.
00:13:19
Torben Rothgeb
Absolutely.
AMT History and Rare Kits
00:13:21
Torben Rothgeb
So fun to see that. And it's fun to just talk one-on-one with people. i was talking about one of the guys about his builds, how he weather stuff. We had a long discussion about that. you know um and it was great and it was just really fun to hear about how he did that and it's like oh okay cool you know so it's it's always it's always a great show guys that put it on are great guys you know can't say enough about curtis knight ed saint dennis rick rasmussen all those guys yeah you know george romano they all do a great job so well speaking of the hope but don't snow show um what were some uh cards that really stood out for you
00:13:58
Torben Rothgeb
Well, a couple of, you know, I mean, some of the guys that we know, you know, um and I look for specific things that that strike me. I know what I've got, my own prejudices, you all do. Tom Finch had a gorgeous um and NSR Honda motorcycle. It's fantastic.
00:14:15
Torben Rothgeb
um There was... um there was a couple, Cal Wood did a really nice scarab and ah and a midget was really nice. Troy Stanky had a really nice pickup. 60 pickup.
00:14:30
Torben Rothgeb
That he had weathered and it was very, very professional. Really sharp looking. You know, and there was just all kinds of really nice, you know, and the usual the usual suspects always bring really nice stuff.
00:14:42
Torben Rothgeb
You know, so it was it was was fun. It was a good time, you know. So. Yeah, and there's a guy who builds a lot of NASCAR. and That was enjoyable for me. Yeah, it wasn't when it wasn't you. It was someone else. Who was that? bird You know, if I was better at – if I was an ambassador of the hobby, I would have gone and introduced myself. Well, we were both ambassadors, and I can't remember who it was you're talking about. I remember I looked at what his name was, and I can't remember. He's been there before. Yeah, he only goes to that show as far as the ones that we go to. Right. um but yeah He had six or seven NASCARs.
00:15:15
Torben Rothgeb
so no it's It's always good to look at that and see that. I hope it don't snowshoe. It has really ah come a long way from when I first started going to it. and There were lots of vendors this time. That was interesting. The vendors were really interesting. They sold out on the tables, which I've never seen before. They really pushed my – you remember last episode I said I was going to go the year without buying anything.
00:15:37
Torben Rothgeb
Sorry, sorry, sorry. We did have some rules to it. Oh, I see. Here's the caveat. All the old saying, rules are made to be broken. Really, only sinned once. Now, i bought which I bought about four or five kids. Fortunately, it was only a one-day show.
00:15:55
Torben Rothgeb
But, and, you know, kind of in a ah morbid way, talking about the golden than age, um you know, but as an aging hobby, i feel like ah usually about every, sadly, yeah I'm not saying this with any kind of glee. I know, I know. Trying to explain the golden age, oh what I mean by golden age of the vendors, right?
00:16:22
Torben Rothgeb
You know, because so many of the builders are, it's almost like in the 90s when there's so many World War II vets were dying, right? Yes. Well, a lot of modelers are passing away. That's right. That's very true. And even the most productive modeler, the Jim Allens of the world, you know, we get about eight or 10 kits built a year, right? Still...
00:16:47
Torben Rothgeb
only build about 25 percent of your unbuilt stuff right you would say you know running at 25 percent yeah well there's people running it at a one percent click right cameron i love you 0.1 so um and and you know sadly when they pass away then all that stuff goes back on the market and so i mean i just think about uh you know in the last year we lost like bill coulter and people like that and all that offer nonst offer all that stuff comes back on the market. So when you go to a swap meet, you're looking at a lot of ah stuff. and And so this one was like that too. with that you know They had some old glue bombs. Influenced bags. yeah ye which was ah Now, unfortunately, at first I saw a Daytona. You know how much I love those Dodge Daytonas. So this is part of your rule modification?
00:17:38
Torben Rothgeb
Well, part of my modification is it's ridiculously cheap, right? So I got the Superbird, the Johan Superbird for $10, right? $10, wow. What did you get for the one you bought? $40, not bad. Well, this is a glue bomb. But yours done, though, so you just put it on the shelf. Yeah. Well, no, yours is unbuilt. Mine's unbuilt. You don't have to strip it. See, I have to strip it. And like you were saying earlier today, was lucky because I looked at those windows and said, this is going to be a nightmare, but they popped right off. So that's the hardest thing with a glue bomb is the windows and then what kind of paint. Hopefully they used an enamel that comes off pretty quick or something.
00:18:17
Torben Rothgeb
um So I bought one of those for $10. And again, I think that falls within my rules. can't You can't walk past that. you be So what's the what's the rule actually written out? As long as a model was painted at one time? Well, a very rare kit at a very good price. i i kind That's okay. I think answer' is that you could bend the rule like that. not going argue with And in a way, and then the other one I bought was a 71 Joanne Cuda. Mm-hmm.
00:18:44
Torben Rothgeb
oda um And what that's going to say to me, because if if listeners remember when we were talking about the Motown missile or the Mopar missile, whatever, what's the CUDA? That's the Motown missile. mo Motown is, like I told you the story. Yeah, they had the right They changed the name because it was named Motown. Okay. And it upset Barry Gordy. Barry Gordy, yes. Doesn't have enough money. yeah but But in any event, that's how to keep track of it.
00:19:12
Torben Rothgeb
yeah It was before the Mopar missile, which was a duster, which was in 73. So 73. Okay. So the Motown missile Cuda, you told me that I needed to get a bumper from a 71 Cuda because the bumper that came in the MPC that they reissued later in the 80s has bumper guards Right. You have to take those off, right? Now, wouldn't it be a shame to take an original Johan Sox and Martin kit and steal the bumper from it? That'd be really sad. Well, this way I got a glue bomb and I can just take the bumper off this glue bomb. And was that got off a 80s one on the box. Then Johan re-released some stuff and made it look like a street machine, you know.
00:19:54
Torben Rothgeb
um But no loss there. I'll just take the bumper from that one. That was $10. You couldn't pass it on? Then another one I couldn't pass. Oh, my goodness.
00:20:04
Torben Rothgeb
and Let's work something No, just wow. I'm just, it's I'm just making a joke. Well, we'll see if either one of us get to a project that you need it. Well, we don't need it anymore.
00:20:17
Torben Rothgeb
If either one of us get to a project and get to the point where you absolutely need it, you know, we can always talk a trade or something. And then ah there was another ridiculous deal, a dealer only 76 Trans Am or Formula Firebrand. And this was $35. And so as soon as I got home, I started looking at cheapest one I ever, and that's what sold out was for $90.
00:20:42
Torben Rothgeb
And this thing is sealed. They only made it, even Leroy. My boy Leroy was at the show and he I was looking at it said, that's very rare. They only sold those at the dealerships. You have an accent down to what you He almost thought Lee Wright was on the show. So that was $35. Is that the one that Eric wants?
00:21:00
Torben Rothgeb
The one that James Garner drove? It's not the same year, though. Well, he did drive one. He drove several years ago. He had several years, though. I take that back. So he could build one of them with that. It's been done, though. I mean, it was done...
00:21:11
Torben Rothgeb
One of the IPMS Nationals, somebody had one. Okay. Yes. I mean, not that he wouldn't do a great job. He would. With Eric's figure building skills, so he would have James Gardner down. Down. That's true. He probably would. Yeah. And so that one, so those three I don't consider. The one I did, and you'll be happy with this because you've been trying to get me to build one of these forever. They had the Superman paint scheme for the outlaw.
00:21:38
Torben Rothgeb
Right. Oh, for the sprint car. Steve Kinzer. Oh, that's a great, that's, yeah. Now that one, that probably, that, that was, I broke my rule on that one. How much did you pay for that?
Collecting Rules and Flexibility
00:21:48
Torben Rothgeb
35. I'll give you 44. Wasn't it sealed though?
00:21:51
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, sealed. That's not bad price. 40 bucks, I mean, you know. yeah I mean, it's the king. Yeah. Yeah. He's the king, man. yeah And so if I'm ever going to build a modified, I would build that one. Because, of course, in my dreams, which how many of these come true, I would like i got the decals for the Gordon one and the Chrome Illusion paint for the Gordon Superman car.
00:22:11
Torben Rothgeb
And then even the Dale Jr. Superman car, because that was the year they all ran Superman schemes for who won the championship. And then you put Kinsey's car with it. And I've actually been doing some research for you on the John Forrest Superman car. Okay, yeah. Because you asked me about, couldn't I do that one too? Mm-hmm. Well, not really because it's never been done in plastic.
00:22:31
Torben Rothgeb
Okay. But they did do it. And actually, when I found it, I found one on eBay that was – it's a die-cast. It's like it's ah you know one of those high-end die casts.
00:22:42
Torben Rothgeb
But it was a great paint scheme, and it was a Mustang. And like all of his cars, they were you know world champions. So it could be done. Well, we are in the golden age. what point What I'm getting at is that it's something that you know I might pursue with Chuck.
00:23:00
Torben Rothgeb
Chuck Warner on because if if somebody did it in resin, that's all you would need. And then you could build it. And Chuck could do the decals. That would be nice. And I know he wants to do more forced cars because John's getting older. And when he passes, that stuff's going to be going through the roof in value. and so yeah But it's it's a great – it's red, white, and blue.
00:23:22
Torben Rothgeb
um It's got Superman on the rear quarter panel. You know all those cars were done well. They were really cool paint skis. They were popular for, um of fun to build I can't remember the um company that did all those die casts for, you know, Earnhardt and, um,
00:23:38
Torben Rothgeb
anyway doesn Well, I got a Gordon 143rd one too. Sure. Anyway. Because i hadn't the color shifting paint so so that So, yeah, I did break my rule. So I'm negative one. But in fairness, I sold a Marty Robbins kit to you, and I sold another Marty Robbins to Bob Halliday. so Well, there you go.
00:23:58
Torben Rothgeb
I'm trying you know. Trying to slow down the growth. yeah Okay. So that was the Hope It Don't Snow show. Okay. um The 24-hour build. I did not make the 24 hours. and Yes. Well.
00:24:15
Torben Rothgeb
Make that three. Make that three. Trifecta. i have I got a new rule. and We talked about that at our meeting earlier this week as far as um i even though I can build 80s NASCARs in my sleep, they just are time consuming. And so there's no way to um to do that in 24 hours. And i like doing the engines and the undersides and stuff. So I think next year I'm going to have to do just a regular car.
00:24:49
Torben Rothgeb
I'm thinking of doing a pace car. And so either a Corvette, 86 Corvette pace car, i think would go together fast. I have the 53 Ford Indy pace car. Curbsides?
00:25:02
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, maybe I'm just going to have to bite the bullet and do curbside to do 24 hours. Yeah, because then wouldn't have to worry about an engine. I mean, that 53 pace car, you know, that's a Lindbergh, I think. It's a beautiful kit. It's a beautiful kit, but it's a full detail full yeah engine. And, you know, it's a convertible. Obviously, the the um interior is going to be important. Right, but the doors don't open, so it's not yeah yeah not an AMT nightmare. And it's white, I think.
00:25:28
Torben Rothgeb
It's white, right? Maybe a little gold trim. Yeah, it's got some gold trim on it. It's got wire wheels. It's a beautiful car. Yeah, it is. Yep. So there you go. Yep. And while I was working on this, I did write down some reasons why if you would do...
00:25:46
Torben Rothgeb
As long as that's moving and this is moving, we're good. We're fine. We had a little technical difficulty for the last. and We had to redo the show. So Bob's a little jumpy right now. Too many cookies. He sounds a little anxious. That and the four cookies he ate before the show. but I did write down reasons for doing a 24-hour build. And so first off, it's just a complete escape.
00:26:10
Torben Rothgeb
It's one full day, 24 hours. You're not thinking about anything but building model cars. um Ella was home from college, and she'd seen the look on her face. where She was like, so you're going to work on model cars for 24 hours? Because she was going out, and she said, I'm going to be home a little late. And said, well, don't worry. You're not going wake me up. I'll be home.
00:26:30
Torben Rothgeb
So she's like, so you're going to work on model cars for 24 hours. me get this straight. Let me get this straight. Really? Let me ask this one more time. Torby, what's going on? What happened to you, Dad? And so I was like, well, let me get this straight, Ella. You're going to be drinking a bunch of alcohol and talking to a bunch of idiots at a bar most of the night. I'd rather do the model cars. Anyhow. So you got escape. And then most of us have a pile of kits. You get to pick one off and you get it built.
00:27:05
Torben Rothgeb
And the last six years I've done it, I've only made it in 24 hours once. But all six cars I've gotten have gotten built that I've done. critical So you you get, you know, you're you're thinning the herd in one night. Yeah.
00:27:19
Torben Rothgeb
And, you know, another thing for me, I might be the only one looking at some of our fellow modelers, but for me, it's the one time I kind of use it as a cheat day.
00:27:30
Torben Rothgeb
i yeah I use it as an excuse to eat all kinds of sugar. pop tarts my favorite movie candy twix bars reese's peanut butter cups because you're running all on caffeine uh energy drinks and stuff so uh so so what's your real reason why i didn't get done that well my real reason is actually it kicks you into like another gear oh yeah or two well you know sad thing is i got to about eight in the morning the next day. And, ah you know, I could have stayed up.
00:28:04
Torben Rothgeb
um But then I was just looking at it and i had not done the bare metal foil. i had not. I mean, it just looked like you talked talk to yourself. It's mathematically impossible for me to make it. So, you know what? i But then sadly, i went and i ah I was watching a bunch of James Bond movies anyway.
00:28:24
Torben Rothgeb
Um, and then, uh, so I, I, I was awake for another hour, 15 minutes trying to get back to sleep. Cause I had all this, uh, you know, all this sugar and caffeine in my body, but, uh, No, and I actually didn't watch any of the race this year.
00:28:39
Torben Rothgeb
but In the years past, I've watched the race, but the race makes me sleepy because they're just going du around and there's not a whole lot of action. You're right. Yeah, no, that's that's a tough one to get through. Yeah. Bill Reed said he will he watched of the race, but it's a good thing I didn't. I guess they had a six-hour fall delay anyway.
00:28:57
Torben Rothgeb
Oh, good Lord. Yeah. Interesting. right. It's never been interesting to me, the 24-hour build. It's never compelled you to do it. when Mike and Paul, they do a 12-hour build, right? They do one when it's at the 24s of the mall.
00:29:09
Torben Rothgeb
They will put 24s of the mall on in June and do it. And- um I don't know if any of them have actually finished one that they've done, but that's what they do. They do a 12. They just go 12 and that's it.
00:29:21
Torben Rothgeb
Okay. Yep. Yep. Okay. So that's a 24-hour build. um And then ah upcoming shows with the Hope It Don't Snow show done with. What's what's next?
00:29:34
Torben Rothgeb
Well, in March, there's a show in Duluth sponsored by Mr. Steve Kutelski. Right. March what? March, I think it's the 21st. 21st. Okay. And with you know what the theme is? I have no idea. he Build a model.
00:29:49
Torben Rothgeb
but He sent me a ah thing and wanted people to... steve a Scott Aho at the MCCM meeting talked a lot about it. He goes every year and stuff. So there's that show in March. And then there's a Madison show.
00:30:01
Torben Rothgeb
Madison is in March 7th. First week in March. yeah Warning, spark alert. Yeah. um And then April is – Now, you guys went to the Madison show. Let's not go too fast. You guys went to the Madison show last time. He didn't go. I went with the holidays. Okay. Never again. You guys had a grand old time.
00:30:22
Torben Rothgeb
Never again, no. What was your bone of contention that one? It's hard to pick one. The worst thing actually was the judging.
00:30:33
Torben Rothgeb
The judging was horrific. um I'll leave it at that. It's not just a personal preference, but it was it was poorly done. i thought I thought the whole show overall was was very poor. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.
00:30:47
Torben Rothgeb
OK. Well, I mean, it had it had plenty of potential. The venue is is fa phenomenal. I don't think you're going to find a nicer venue than that. Quality, architecture. Oh, it's fabulous. um Great restaurants in town. Oh, yeah, yeah. It's just fabulous.
00:31:04
Torben Rothgeb
Pre-parking is pretty good. Oh, you didn't have to pay for parking? No. Wow, because I remember at Nationals. Well, there there isn't as many people entering. The kind vendor area was pathetic. Not good members. No, it was very disappointing. Okay. So, you live and learn. You live Nobody's perfect.
00:31:22
Torben Rothgeb
um you know You move on. there's ah There's lots of shows to go to. o um I'd say what's the next after that would be – what's the one in – It's a military show. Isn't it in Indiana or something? There's the AMPS National Show. I don't know that I'm going to go. Isn't that like April May? I think it's April 18th.
00:31:45
Torben Rothgeb
and I went to one of those before, and it was really, really nice. And then also there's the Nebraska Show. was in the spring, right? Yes. I don't know what the date is. It's in May, right?
00:31:56
Torben Rothgeb
No, it's earlier than that because we got in that snowstorm the last time we went. And then May 1st is Milwaukee this year. May 3rd, you mean. May 3rd. And then, of course, our great NNL. NNL North, May 17th. Be there, be square. right Now, do we have any special teams? No. How about MCCM? We have a top 10.
00:32:16
Torben Rothgeb
MCCM always has an award that they give out. And what this year is TV tv and movie cars. Oh, nice. Maybe I'll break my Ecto one. And then Bob Halliday has his sizzling 60s award that he gives out. And...
00:32:35
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, we but we found a new home, you know, last year and bigger and better for 2026. Trying to get a couple of food trucks. Keep that garage door closed. We get, yeah. Those hooligans trying to sneak in. We get Tim Kidwell comes up for it. That was the first show he ever did was our show and he loves us.
00:32:54
Torben Rothgeb
So we'll look forward to seeing him again and Yeah, it's it's a good show. Are you going to have a big dinner on the place, on the restaurant on the hill? or your Does your daughter still work there? Yeah, at the hilltop. The hilltop. Yeah, we do that sometimes. um Jim and I have talked about sometimes, maybe not this year, but the Heartland Show, which is the beginning of June, because then June gets really busy because we have back to the 50s. Back to the 50s. And then in July, we've got, when is the, when is the- July 23rd, 24th and 25th the, yeah it's the grand, it's the grand opening of the Museum of Speed model car,
00:33:34
Torben Rothgeb
ah hu Salt Lake City mut model museum that was built in Salt Lake for the, during the Salt Lake contest, GSL.
00:33:48
Torben Rothgeb
is um That's going to be the three days I said in July. There's going to be a NNL style event. There's going to be some announcements of awards and things like that.
00:34:01
Torben Rothgeb
ah the The venue, the Museum of Speed is it's one of the best museums I've ever been to in my life. And that's saying a lot because I've... tried to to see a lot of those. But anyway, it's a great, great place to go.
00:34:14
Torben Rothgeb
It'll be a huge, um like you said, ah one for the ages, ah kind of like the delete last Toledo show in 2019, something like that. And then the week after that is the IPMS Nationals in for wayne Fort Wayne, and we're getting ready for that.
00:34:30
Torben Rothgeb
So that'll be fun to go. Well, let's go back to the the museum that was in Utah. Now, was that... now Mark Gustafson, he was, did was he, ah had anything to do with the museum or he just, yes. Okay. So then. He's a, he's a purveyor of all things Salt Lake. I mean, that was his baby.
00:34:52
Torben Rothgeb
Okay. He's just, he's, he's like every one of us, we all, you know, get older. Okay. And it was just too much work and it was time just to just take a, you know, step down and.
00:35:03
Torben Rothgeb
Okay. Did they say any of the details related to that? Did he sell it to them? Did he donate it to them? How did that work? car It was part of the Salt Lake show. Okay. It was it's actually it was actually in like a storage garage.
00:35:19
Torben Rothgeb
Mm-hmm. And you know they they owned it or they rented it or whatever. And it just became so large and overwhelming that they had to make a decision. you know We got to move it somewhere um you know, the show's ending, what are we going do with it? And this just seemed like a nogal logical um way to take it somewhere else that would support it, which Museum of Speed has lots of room.
00:35:49
Torben Rothgeb
And it's the perfect place for it, really. yeah so Yeah, they have all that other stuff. And, you know, you can expand with it if you want. um It's going to be well received because it's like an extension of the Museum of Speed. You know, it's a lot of history of the hobby.
00:36:07
Torben Rothgeb
And, it was a very, very big, you know, model contest in its day. And the last show that they had was, i don't remember how many, thousand you know, how many people actually entered. It was a lot of models and lot of stuff's been donated to salt Lake.
00:36:25
Torben Rothgeb
A lot of the models that won best in show people that aren't with us anymore. Yeah, it just it just seemed like a natural transition. And then they had to find a way to get all that stuff out there.
00:36:38
Torben Rothgeb
So that was last year's task. And now it's there for everyone to to see. and I can't wait. You know, it's going to be a special price, $35 for three days. The hotel situation is there's tons of hotels around the area. I've already spent my $35. Yeah.
00:37:00
Torben Rothgeb
so co but um And it's not that far away. you know, it's very, you know, it's a little quick of a drive. It is six hours for us from the Twin Cities. Oh, yeah. um i I don't know.
00:37:13
Torben Rothgeb
and The weather should be decent. It's gonna be in the summertime. Yeah, there's a cars and coffee event on Saturday. um It's, you know, it's what you want. I mean, it's overwhelming. It'd be great. It's perfect time of the year. Perfect.
00:37:26
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. Bring your friends. you know Bring your family. Bring your friends' family. Right. Exactly. It'll be great time. It'll be great. So we have a lot of stuff to look forward to to the end of the summer. It'll fantastic. up Yeah. Well, and I remember seeing that Wood Brothers car. That was really cool.
00:37:43
Torben Rothgeb
That was really cool. there there's There's a lot of really cool stuff there. Customs, you know sprint cars, Indy cars. And get the color right on some of them. Well, let's not push it. Yeah.
00:37:56
Torben Rothgeb
Well, and if if you turn a lot of wrenches like I do, no, I'm just kidding. i can barely fix my bike. But they have the yeah Flathead Museum, right? That would be really interesting. Yeah, it's it's a fly it's a Flathead Intake Manifold Collection is what it is. Okay. And it's several hundred so why intake manifolds. I mean, it's it's one of those things you'll lose your way if you're not paying attention. It is. It's it's it' like mine. Like being in Ikea.
00:38:27
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, only cooler. it over there? Yeah, only cooler, right? yeah Yeah, it's just, you know, the show on its own. You know, when we were there in 2022, I said, you can't see it all.
00:38:39
Torben Rothgeb
there's not It's not possible unless you walk about 20 miles an hour and don't stop. um because it's jam-packed and you know since that time they've added the unzer collection all of the you're gonna love that that's your favorite bobby unzer oh yeah bobby can't wait to uh spit on his grave i mean no sorry come on but anyway no it's it's if you're a car lover it's there's nothing like it they've got a duzenberg they've got yeah there's some great stuff yeah it's just um
00:39:13
Torben Rothgeb
a tucker he's good they've got a tucker in i mean There's only six of them. Yeah, there's six of them. Yeah, my gosh. So anyway, no, it's it's it's one for the ages. It'll be one we'll be talking about for a while. Sounds great. And, you know, that's just this summer. so I know.
00:39:28
Torben Rothgeb
So, yeah. No, it's it's it's great. Well, speaking of history, history of AMT is our topic. For tonight. Should just leave now? Well, you milky stuff you built that 36 Ford, right? I did build a 36 Ford, yeah. Nice kit. Well, did you know it began in 1947, and it was originally the aluminum model toy company.
00:39:54
Torben Rothgeb
um They started metal promotional toys, um and it was an attorney that started it, Wes Galugly. I don't know. I hope I've done that right.
00:40:06
Torben Rothgeb
I would not want to piss Wes off if he's still around, but he's probably not because that was a long time ago. um The first car was a 48 Ford. They were lined up with Ford when they started building promotionals. um You know, the idea of any promo was to give the customers an idea of what the car would look like in a different color because obviously they didn't have computers or anything to look at that. um And so it didn't take them long to get away from ah metal. ah George Coda developed a sliding pillar tooling design for plastic. Yeah.
00:40:41
Torben Rothgeb
Now, the only problem was they originally used cellulose acetate, which would have a tendency to warp. And so ah they moved to styrene pretty soon after that. I wonder if Johan also did that, because I noticed some of those early Johans are are warped, too, if you ever see some of those, that the plastic, for whatever reason, warped.
00:41:04
Torben Rothgeb
don't know if those are Johans. I think those are Hubleys. Okay. Hubley's had like a metal floor plan, pan, that they put them together and it was a different kind of plastic. I mean, it looks like styrene, but I don't think it's quite the same.
00:41:22
Torben Rothgeb
consistency or whatever. Okay. Because don't know if you remember this or not, but our last MCCM meeting, couple of the guys were had some hubbly they did yeah station wagons. Mm-hmm.
00:41:34
Torben Rothgeb
Ones that, you know, will probably go with them to their grave. But, but but they yeah, they you know, those are ones that you basically had to pick one out that was you hoped wouldn't warp because there was no guarantee. And, you know, you try to keep it in a cool, dry place and see what happens. but You know, they weren't that expensive back then.
00:41:54
Torben Rothgeb
Now they're collector bre toys, basically. And so, you know, the sky's the limit. The guy had a Renault Dauphine that I always loved. Early 60s. a Humbley, yeah. And he had it for like about $100 and a quarter at Nebraska. And I was like, man, i'm not going to pay that much for it. But it's so cute to take two home. you know Twice the price. Well, back to AMT. In 1956, they teamed up with Edmonds. Erickson at SMP to do GM and other companies.
00:42:24
Torben Rothgeb
And then ah in 1961, they bought out SMP and built a factory in Troy, Michigan. Okay. And then, ah but Anderson also came on board and quickly acquired the cat nickname when a participant at an AMT contest, maybe it was you or Andy, I don't know, spotted him and said,
00:42:49
Torben Rothgeb
ah Hey, that's the cat from AMT. And the nickname ah stuck, and they would soon come up with cat you know on cat pictures on all the AMT products. I did meet him once. Okay, cool. What was he like?
00:43:05
Torben Rothgeb
He was great. I mean, he was you know larger than life. ah you know he did't he did a lot of of He was very by all the modelers.
00:43:16
Torben Rothgeb
um Yeah, just a really great kind man. Nice. nice Well, and oh, I got past 1958 was the first year they introduced three in one annual kits. OK. So and that was history. Yeah, that was really ah forward thinking, you know, when they were just doing promos to come. Hey, why don't we put some custom parts in some of these? And that really took off.
00:43:41
Torben Rothgeb
ah Which was good because in 1963, George Cota, the same George Cota that developed the sliding pillar system, left AMT to start MPC. We talked about MPC in one of our previous episodes.
00:43:59
Torben Rothgeb
um So without George Cota, what were they do? Well, they did branch out and they did they recruited some custom builders like George Barris and ah Dean Jeffries, the Monkey Mobile.
00:44:12
Torben Rothgeb
um And then in 1966, they made an awesome deal. Yes, awesome deal. they agreed to build a full size transport shuttle craft and some props for a brand new show that was coming out, uh, for, uh, a show called star Trek. And so, uh, in, uh,
00:44:34
Torben Rothgeb
ah deal To make that, they got all the rights to build of Star Trek kits. Oh, wow. um so And they did they built Star Trek kits well into the 70s. Galileo in 74, the bridge in 75.
00:44:50
Torben Rothgeb
They had a yeah ah Spock that was fighting some snakes. Mm-hmm. figure. so And even some accessories where you had the little flip phone thing and the lasers. So did you have any of those, Edna?
00:45:05
Torben Rothgeb
No. Not big Star Trek fans? No, not not so much. Not so much either. Well, they did a variety other stuff. In 69, they came out with a bunch of trucks, semis. I think Bob has built a few of those. um Fire trucks in 71. Our buddy Hugh has probably built a few of those. Wrong car, but know.
00:45:25
Torben Rothgeb
Some NASCAR kits. They did do the Chevelle, cheville Bobby Allison one. Well, that's an MPC. That's a Cale Yarborough one. um You would know the AMT because the wheel wells were way too big on those. That's the first thing you got to fix with the Gordon Johncock, 73 Chevelle and Bobby Allison, and then 74.
00:45:47
Torben Rothgeb
um They did a Benny Parsons, and I think they did ah maybe as a Donnie Allison 88 one on the box, and a Lenny Pond one that they reissued. And then they also did a Bobby Allison Matador.
00:45:59
Torben Rothgeb
and then ah ah So they did a lot of different stuff, all kinds of stuff. Then in 78, they were bought out by Matchbox Lesney, and um still don't know why they did that. It was kind of puzzling. They moved their factory from Troy, Michigan to Baltimore.
00:46:17
Torben Rothgeb
um and I don't know what advantage ah Matchbox got out of it. Must not have been too much because Matchbox went bankrupt in 82, so four years later they go bankrupt.
00:46:28
Torben Rothgeb
As far as I know, the only kit I can think of that they built in that time is they came out with the 68 Camaro kit, I think, was built under Matchbox Leslie. um What year was that built?
00:46:40
Torben Rothgeb
That was later, actually. 68 Camaro? Yeah. Okay. You're not talking maybe it was not talking about the annual one. There was an annual release, which you would have been and under the EMT name. Oh, okay. ah The Matchbox, they were pretty – They did a lot of imports and that kind of thing. They did. They did some of cars. Yeah, and they were molded in color. I know they did the 132nd ones. Yes. Yeah, but there were some 24 scale, and they were molded in certain colors.
00:47:11
Torben Rothgeb
Plastic wasn't so hot. I mean, I remember them because I passed on lot of those because they just didn't interest me at all. Mm-hmm. he was It was Leslie, lesneye wasn't it? Yeah. magic well they remain there They were made made in... They were from Britain. Yeah.
00:47:31
Torben Rothgeb
So that was their focus was British cars and that kind of thing. Yeah. It was head scratching that they didn't even buy them. Where'd they go after that then? Well, when they went bankrupt, then the Earl ah Corporation out of Iowa bought them. Earl bought them in 82. Right under the ground. I mean... Wow.
00:47:51
Torben Rothgeb
Yes. Well, ah you know, I like they brought back the three and ones. ah Sort of. They brought Well, yeah, they they did some of the muscle cars. I don't know. You could probably tell me better. Well, which one for MPC, the 70 GTO was an MPC, right? Yeah. How about the Charger 500? But this you have to go. We have to stop a second because that was a different time frame.
00:48:14
Torben Rothgeb
So the MPC cars you're talking about from the late 60s, AMT was still making their kits. Oh, well, should say that Ertl also owned MPC by then. Ertl was a different animal. Yeah. Ertl was probably, man, probably early Yeah, Ertl bought them 82 and then had them until 99. So, like, one of the first kits that they did was 68 Camaro because I remember it well because that one had the rear window, the mirror, the driver's mirror, which was molded into the clear window. Okay.
00:48:57
Torben Rothgeb
And you were supposed to imagine that it was was accurate, which it wasn't. Because the first thing you'd want to do is polish out the windshield and get rid of that stupid thing. i mean was It was a decent kit, though, because it was a 68 Camaro.
00:49:14
Torben Rothgeb
and it was accurate. it had you you know It had a decent engine and things like that. So, i mean, it was it was welcomed by the modeling community, and they did a few kits like that. Well, and as a kid, I can remember a lot of the Ertl 3-in-1s where they did the and they did the Charger and they did the Like 71 Mustang. Those were MPC though. Those were all MPCs. But they did bring the 32 Ford I think was theirs.
00:49:49
Torben Rothgeb
And then. Well there were multiple 32 Fords. yeah yeah Yeah. They had the Roadster. The 5 Window. And then. The Phaeton. MPC had theirs as well. Yep. MPC did the. What's them what's the famous movie. Your favorite movie.
00:50:07
Torben Rothgeb
Cruisin' movie. an american grai graffiti they an American Graffiti. They Graffiti coupe, which was gut-wrenchingly bad. But, you know, it was it was the only game in town. Molded in yellow. Yeah. well i'm saying The right shade of yellow, though. Ertl didn't do too bad.
00:50:25
Torben Rothgeb
Ertl did fine. With some of the old molds, they did nice stuff. Now, the 72 Chevy, they did combine parts from the MPC and parts from the AMT. I remember that when they did the kit review, they wrote about some things from one and the other. They kind of hodgepodge it together. Yeah, that was that was a mixed bag. yeah Yeah, but still it was out there. You can build it. You have to take into account with Ertl that they – um They actually were doing tractors too.
00:50:55
Torben Rothgeb
And they ended up splitting that part of the business off. And i don't remember who was that took over the tractors because they did tractors and trucks. My ah my grandfather was an implement dealer.
00:51:08
Torben Rothgeb
And so he was able to get some of those kits for me but when I was a kid. Not that I knew I was going to be, you know, addicted to the hobby as much as I was. But anyway, there were some really nice kits.
00:51:21
Torben Rothgeb
They were full detail opening doors. um They had some dump trucks that they did. Let's go for huge money now. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Just ask Ralph. how They did some combines. Yep. they did And all the accessories. You know, the the tractor needs a...
00:51:37
Torben Rothgeb
you know something to pull the wagon with yep so anyway but you know i'm not trying to distract you from the history but it's part of the history it's part of history but and i'll never forget one of the more memorable um kits that they decided to come out with was this was in the late 80s was they were going to go indy car racing with kits they were going to do a bunch of indy car kits And so, you know, they did all the Penske, you know, Penske car. You're right now because you built some. I built some of them. built them. And I know you you had nightmares with that.
00:52:12
Torben Rothgeb
Well, I mean, of was it was buildable. It was buildable, but but it wasn't the best. Compared to the Salvino's one. We don't want to go there now. We haven't even talked about that. The Salvino's one had more detail. But but but they did they did jump in with both feet. They did. And they had, you know, T-shirts you could buy and all that stuff.
00:52:31
Torben Rothgeb
They did their own magazine, Blue Printer, right? Oh, yeah, that was great. That's another thing that's worth money to a collector now. I mean, they were interesting reading. They would have upcoming kids, you know, where they're going to be. Because they they were at – Back to the 50s, they had a display. I had to do model display models for It was one the AMT. It was Ertl then. Well, and you know if it it's ah it was considered by a lot of modelers, the 66 Nova kit was like the first one that was dedicated to adult builders. 66 Nova was ah was a landmark kit that's still selling like crazy. Yeah.
00:53:12
Torben Rothgeb
um Years later. It was very popular and it was you know it was well received because that's what people wanted. yeah And then the 62 Impala. yeah And then that led into the mid-90s where it really took off where they did an Edsel. They did a 62 Pontiac. a 57 uh chrysler uh yeah you know not necessarily my cup of tea but they're really done well yeah we're done um the 64 was really done well 64 is really really great kid and you know but unfortunately you see these things and like you know as builders we're like oh my god this is great but somehow wasn't so great because then in 99 racing racing champions bought them okay
00:53:52
Torben Rothgeb
And then that was kind of, i I remember going to like one of the toy shows or hobby shows in Chicago, and it would have been about 2000, 2001. And after all the new stuff that had come out in the nineties, there was just like nothing.
00:54:08
Torben Rothgeb
know And, you know, they were going to reissue the wall trip combo, which I like as NASCAR, but already had a couple. It's like, that's nothing. The only thing, significant thing they had at that meeting uh was the uh tester's lacquer paint so i was kind of excited about those because they had factory colors but absolutely nothing as far as new kits so you know that was disappointing that it kind of fell off the ledge uh racing champions didn't do much for amt uh then they had rc2 uh and then it wasn't i think at 2012 when round two bought them And then they started to at least, and I think Model King had um made some kind of deals with the people who had the molds for some of that stuff and, and prove to them that this old stuff will sell.
00:54:55
Torben Rothgeb
yu And so then i think it was enticing enough for round two to buy them and then, They've pretty much been doing that for you know the last about 13, 14 years. I mean, most of our new releases that we talk about, like like a 79 Nova or whatever else, is these old things that they've gone back and released. Yeah, well, you have to stop, though, in that same time period.
00:55:17
Torben Rothgeb
um They bought up AMT. They bought all the moles and everything. So it was no longer round two. I mean, it's still called round two, but it was a all the stuff was an AMT name. plate on it Yeah. So, I mean, technically it's AMT or MPC or Polar Lights or, you know, whatever. Lindbergh, too. Yeah, Lindbergh, too.
00:55:40
Torben Rothgeb
And they've since gotten rid of some of that stuff because it's just too much to keep track of. And it's just kind of rolled into, you know, they did that 65 Dodge Coronet now that's coming out. What you call it? The Dumbo or whatever it is. It's a drag. It's a drag car. It's not out yet. Yeah, I don't think they called it Dumbo. But it originally was...
00:56:01
Torben Rothgeb
lindbergh Okay. And it's the same kit, but now it's called AMT. Yes. So, you know, you won't know the difference until you open the box. Yeah. Interesting. Well, and that's a Scalemates is a good, you know, somebody to get acquainted with. That's a good resource for history of models. It is. It's great. Different issues.
00:56:22
Torben Rothgeb
You can get your instruction sheets. um it's it's a nice ah It's a nice place to look stuff It's a great place to look up. Cool. Thank you for doing that. yeah Yeah. No, that was AMT. A lot of great cars over the years. um And speaking of new releases, ah we have new releases. Well, we we talked about the Snake Funny Car and you being our drag racing expert because I had purchased some Pepsi Challenger decals from Chuck Borner. I got them too. and ah
00:56:54
Torben Rothgeb
But, ah you know, you mentioned what what needed to be changed. So well go ahead and tell wonderful listeners about that. what basically is synopsis is that,
00:57:05
Torben Rothgeb
They were going to do the Pepsi Challenger, which was the first year that Firebird, 1982. And they decided they couldn't do it because the spoiler wasn't the correct one for that car.
00:57:20
Torben Rothgeb
Pepsi Challenger 82. Pepsi Wendy's car is 83. So that is the... so that is the one that Ravel Monogram had done. That's the tooling that Atlantis has now.
00:57:34
Torben Rothgeb
So it's got to be the Pepsi Wendy's car. And sadly, it's like so many of those funny cars did not have the spoiler molded into it. But sadly, this one does.
00:57:47
Torben Rothgeb
Well, i mean, it's just how they do the tooling. mean, you're kind of stuck with what you're given and that's what they decided to do it that way. um if you were If they were to do it nowadays, it would have been a separate spoiler so that you could do a different version of the car. yeah Now you're going to have some kit bashing and scratch building, some of your favorite things to do. But, you know, it's not impossible to do. I mean, when you look at, you know, we talked about pluses and minuses, that would be a minus. The plus is it's a one-piece chassis, basically. Yeah. And it's a lot easier to put together. So much easier than the Revell. The wheels and tires are fantastic. The chrome is great.
00:58:32
Torben Rothgeb
um It's got all the tin work in it. It's not that difficult of a model to build. um You can get one done in maybe a couple of weeks if you really want to. I'll do a 24-hour challenge. you You could probably do that.
00:58:44
Torben Rothgeb
So that's the snake funny card. Right. i mean, because they are coming out with the Miller... um Miller Warrior. Yeah. Which is the same kit with different decals. And that's, you won't have to change the spoiler.
00:58:58
Torben Rothgeb
Nice. So, you know, i have the one that I built, which reminds me. So who, who was the purveyor of the Firebird? Was that Harley Earl? I don't know. So that's why I'm asking because I'm trying to find out for our meeting. You have to look that up.
00:59:15
Torben Rothgeb
Who invented the firewood. Who came up with the firewood, right? So basic it would have been it would have been the first... 68 was the first Firebird? The first production one was. 67 was the first production. They went along with the Camaro. Right. okay Which was GM's answer the Mustang. Right. But it was the first year of the Firebird.
00:59:35
Torben Rothgeb
And I don't remember. I didn't have a chance before the meeting. Was it Knudsen? Bucky. Knudsen was with Pontiac, wasn't it? He was a Pontiac guy, I thought. know Yeah. He was also a Ford guy, though.
00:59:46
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. Who else? Is the same guy that did the Camaro did the Uber? No. I mean, they had a lot of the same similar things, but then this is- Who's the guy that they invented that did the- I can't think of the name of it now. Yeah.
01:00:04
Torben Rothgeb
it doesn It doesn't matter. Anyway, so we'll we'll have to. No, no, no. No, that's easy. That's Zora Archer's done. um Anyway, it doesn't matter. We'll skip to, we'll school we'll we'll cover that another time. Well, maybe we'll, ah well, we want to leave time to talk about the Brie Dotson truck. Sure. yeah That's an exciting. Talking about surprises, because I'll be honest with you, they didn't really move the needle for me when I was when they're going through it. But ah when they showed the decal sheet as somebody who is like builds a lot of Bobby Allison cars and have a.
01:00:38
Torben Rothgeb
um 510 Bobby Allison car to do, I looked at the decals and it looks like they have enough decals in there to do the Bobby Allison number 85 510. Do they have his number and stuff? They have a whole thing in numbers. There's a lot extra numbers. If you can think about the Brie cars, they had that kind of stripe that transitioned from the side of the car to the top of the car and So the ah the the main one was orange on top, but Bobby Allison's was blue on top. So you need a different sequence of stripes, but it looked like they gave you several them. So it's possible to maybe buy do for the decals buy it for the decals and then maybe just do an, ah I think they you can do a stock version of it.
01:01:26
Torben Rothgeb
Just do kind of a little ugly. Well, we all like pickup trucks, right? You could another Little Hustler. No, no. I think that is different from the Little Hustler, though.
01:01:37
Torben Rothgeb
Because the Little Hustler gives you that flip, Todd, and a pro street chassis, right? But this gives you the option to do a stock. Yeah, it's it's not worth it. We've got to have a combination of parts. We've got have some of the similar parts, I'm assuming.
01:01:51
Torben Rothgeb
I felt like they had a couple different kits. Well, yeah, I think i agree with Torben. I think it's been retooled okay for your pleasure. For your pleasure. Thank you very Because I remember my brother bought an MPC, what would have been the Little Hustler kit, because I remember him. and They did several versions of that kit. Yeah. I remember one with like a tow truck option and the thing was molded in yellow.
01:02:15
Torben Rothgeb
Nice. that well And Revelle had one that they called the Rat something and had motorbikes that came with it in the back. That's right. There was I remember that. Dune Rat or...
01:02:26
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, they had a couple different ones. They had one with the motorcycle and they had one that was a trailer. Those are ones Dennis had in his collection. Remember him? Oh, yes, Dennis. Well, I built it a long time ago and don't know what happened to it. but you bring away you well It The one reason I remember it is the first time I used the Alclad because, unfortunately, the kit did not have any chrome in it.
01:02:48
Torben Rothgeb
Interesting. Okay. So had paint the bumpers. Which kit are you talking about? The rat. The Datsun. Rebels. used Alclan on that? Oh, so the kit must been out of production at that point. Yes. Yes. So was a collector's item. How dare you? But anyway. Big kit for me, too, because it was the first kit I ever had that made it to the pages Scale Auto. There you It wasn't the cover, but anyway, you know what I'm talking about. And so, yeah. Don't sing.
01:03:17
Torben Rothgeb
So. People love my singing. I don't know what's wrong with you, John. It's not the singing. It's the song. Oh, well, thanks. It's the choice of It's the choice of material. All right. So that's the Brie 36 Ford. Bob, you built that. It's a nice model to build. It's a classic AMT. Yeah. talking about history AMT. Yeah, it's been around since the early days.
01:03:40
Torben Rothgeb
I don't want to commemorate my father who told me about his escapades. In the Rumble Seat. He had 36 Fort. He did some rumbling in the Rumble Seat. My dad did. He was 17 years old. Rumble in the jungle. he write Thank you, Jeff Routel. Here he goes. Wow. So he would he always told me about having a 36 Fort. His buddy had a convertible with a bundle with Rumble Seat. And he told me about you girls in the back there. And i'm like.
01:04:06
Torben Rothgeb
Okay, Dad, that's enough. You're going to scar me for life. Yeah, right. Don't talk about it. So anyway, and it was green. So I painted mine green. And so it was kind of, I mean, it you know, he didn't kill. know what mean? So, but it was something I wanted to do.
01:04:20
Torben Rothgeb
and that gives you a lot of options. You can build a gasser, think, custom. That was the first thing you thought of. Of course. I mean, right away. Why would that? The second thing would be a show rock. Oh, wow. How dumb can I make it? Wow, now come on. And what would new releases be without Salvino's? Actually, it's a cool-looking car. Bobby Allison, Miller American, which he wasn't super successful in that, but it was a really cool paint scheme. It was a great paint scheme.
01:04:56
Torben Rothgeb
As a Miller American, genuine draft person, too. I was the time. Yeah, that was great. i mean Which car is Torrey? It's Miller American. And he actually, there's two different ones that he drove. He drove one with the red on the sides and white on the top.
01:05:13
Torben Rothgeb
And then the one they're doing ah kind of has mostly red, but then the back of the car has a star and that breaks the back half of the car. it Buick?
01:05:24
Torben Rothgeb
It's Buick Regal. Okay, right. And what you know Salvino's will probably do is they'll mold it in red, And then they'll give you the white decal. That's what they talk about. luca Luca talked about that.
01:05:35
Torben Rothgeb
Okay. That's what he really likes. And it looks like You he finish models. Yes. It looks like it'll be pretty easy to do that if you don't want to paint it. Well, what's this one? This was a Builders Club exclusive Array Elder the de olympia oh Olympia Dodge Charger. A different company.
01:05:55
Torben Rothgeb
oh yes yeah so it's a blue car number 96 i think that dude he won a lot of uh races in or the west west i mean risked in west or something and so is it a charger is it a dodge charger charger was that was his uh choice of vehicle so cool he only drove drove chargers that i remember so And according to them, the new Camaro, even though watching, ah you guys watched a Daytona 500, you did.
01:06:24
Torben Rothgeb
The Camaro doesn't look super different. Doesn't look different at all to me. Apparently it is different. So that new ah new Camaro will be out in a month or two. And the first one they're doing is a Traveler's Whiskey yeah paint scheme for that one.
01:06:41
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. And he actually led a few laps. Did he? Good. At the start. Nice. good see From what I understand, I didn't see that part. but Who's the driver? knew you were going ask that question. You would probably know it better than I do.
01:06:55
Torben Rothgeb
You're the NASCAR guru. I know. I know. But the guy only once runs a race at Daytona every year. Yeah, he re-drove the car last year at Daytona, too. don't know. My apologies. That's okay. Why don't you go to your shout-outs? You haven't done that yet.
01:07:10
Torben Rothgeb
That could be little while. It could be a little while. You need a bathroom break? No, I'm cool. No, I was just looking at our contest cars. Wanted to throw some love out there since it is the month of Valentine's Day. We had our wonderful Howard Quidno. Had his sailboat car with the diorama. That's right on the cover. That was super cool.
01:07:33
Torben Rothgeb
um Then we had ah Bob Kramer. i he had 72 pickup. you know I always like that those different two-tone schemes that the both Chevy and Ford did. This one was orange. I assume it's maybe the same. i think it's Omaha orange or some orange that GMC had the same orange from like 48 to 70s. Yeah, that's like Omaha orange. and So that's the really cool two-tone stock pickup.
01:08:00
Torben Rothgeb
Then Aubrey James Regal, our favorite guy from Wisconsin, Matt Key, built that. um And at first I almost got it mixed up with Six Pack.
01:08:12
Torben Rothgeb
ah But there's two early stock car movies. One had Burt Reynolds and not Don DeLuise. He was in a lot of movies with Don DeLuise, but it was another dude who was his right-hand person on that movie. And Gomer Pyle was in that, Lonnie Anderson. But the bad guy was Aubrey James. Is that his car then?
01:08:34
Torben Rothgeb
That is. um yep ah and And the guy who played Aubrey James, not to be confused with the DC comic bad guy, Aubrey James. this ah The guy that played him actually was married to Kirstie Ollie, I think, the actor. Oh, really? yep Yep. And then another thing was the bad guy from Six Pack that I got mixed up with. um He, the actor who played that, would go on to play the dead guy in Weekend at Bernie's. He played Bernie, ah who died later Challenging role.
Pop Culture and Model Shout-outs
01:09:08
Torben Rothgeb
and And what I didn't realize from Six Pack, which was a Kenny Rogers ah movie. Oh. And I always tell kids this, it's hard to remember how big Kenny Rogers was in the He was huge.
01:09:19
Torben Rothgeb
But he was ah he was in the movie Six Pack with um who was Diane Lane and Anthony Michael Hall. But then ah the guy that played the yeah and the guy that played the bad guy there was Weekend at Bernie's. But then they did a TV spinoff.
01:09:37
Torben Rothgeb
And guess who played Kenny Rogers' part in the TV one? Got me. He would go on to play another ah big character in TV in the 80s, Don Johnson.
01:09:48
Torben Rothgeb
Don Johnson? Was it in what movie? The TV Six Pack. Six Pack. with The movie Six Pack. It didn't last long. And then I think it was either River Phoenix or Joaquin Phoenix was in that as well. It doesn't matter. The TV version of Six Pack. It doesn't matter.
01:10:04
Torben Rothgeb
And I'm not good with the female actresses, but that was a famous one too. But no. All right. I told you it's going to be long time. Anyway, I apologize. want to talk about model cars. the great thing about a podcast is that you got that 15-second fast forward, so it's... If I'm rambling on about six-pack, you can just go ahead and fast-forward me. Joe Domanski had a great Kevin Harvick's last ride, Bush light car, Mustang. That was really cool. I like that. wanted to give a shout-out to that one.
01:10:34
Torben Rothgeb
um Don't forget about Fonzell Brown. Well, that that's the Woody yeah is really cool. That's really cool, actually. Yeah, 48 Ford Woody. So was that – what was that – It was a Revell kit. It was a Revell kit. Eric built one of those. he built a 41. He built a 41. You're right.
01:10:55
Torben Rothgeb
Now, I love flame jobs. So this is Rick Doring had that flame job, Henry J. Rick Doring? Yeah. Are you sure? Not Rick Derringer. to be confused with No, i'm rock i saying go I was thinking of the other Derring. Ed Derringer. Are you sure he didn't just change his name? Well, you know who his car that looks like.
01:11:19
Torben Rothgeb
Who's that? Oh. Mr. um Music Man at at the Milwaukee NNL. Tom Nowak did one of those. Oh, speaking of which, so just so you guys know, if I can turn the page.
01:11:35
Torben Rothgeb
yeah' That's the Volkswagen pickup that I have. that's cool. The conversion kit. That's a – Nice. That's a – That Russian company. No, it's not Russian. It's Ukrainian. Pardon I'll get it right.
01:11:47
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, let's not punish them anymore, okay? Right, right, yeah. Punish the name. I know, right. It's not the right – It's a great kit. Yeah, okay. That's good. And you were thinking about doing that for the – Well, we're going to do something with the Tiny Car Podcast – Yes, for Mark Batson. I need to email him and see when that's due. I think it's for the fall show.
01:12:09
Torben Rothgeb
I wanted to give some love out to ah Mike Raisin Garrett, Pro Stock 70 Maverick, Don Nicholson, ah and anybody who can put Slick's decals on that good. Well, and kudos to him on the model, but his trademark is... thing that he puts on all his Pro Stocks, the window which I have to correct him, is that the door the windows do not open on a Pro Stock.
01:12:36
Torben Rothgeb
they do no not okay They do not. They're shut for a reason. Permanently shut. okay It says was mainly for weight and they were probably Lexan.
01:12:47
Torben Rothgeb
so um And he does he's a really good builder, though. Did he do a Cougar? So he built that Top Cat? No, no, no. Because I felt like some. oh No, that wasn't him. No. And the windows weren't down on that one. No. ah I know the Top Cat model. I think that's. um He was in Ohio. that's oh No, I think that was. He was at the Toledo show.
01:13:07
Torben Rothgeb
I think. No, I think that's Steve Perry. Okay, well. Pretty sure it's Steve Perry. I just remember that. I saw it at the Nationals. Not the Nationals we went to, but the one I went to before that. Yeah.
01:13:18
Torben Rothgeb
All right, then I got an indie winner here ah from Michael Baldricka. That's cool. that a Gordon Johncock Yes, yes, yes.
01:13:29
Torben Rothgeb
Just say yes. Yes, absolutely. I saw him win at Brick Egg, 1982. And then talking about bands, both ah Steve Keith. No, it's...
01:13:41
Torben Rothgeb
And Tim Palco did some cool custom bands. This is really decorated on the inside. And that one has an open top. Yeah. Yeah. But it couldn't have been early. No, this is one sixteenth scale. This guy really went all out. Did some really paint jobs on them. Those are not decals, folks.
01:13:59
Torben Rothgeb
That was really cool. confirm card um Yeah, that is a good looking. Seth Brock did a polar lights kit, which I hear those are murder to work with. we Really not designed good. No, I'm just kidding, Jim. i know That was one of your babies. think have to go now.
01:14:18
Torben Rothgeb
And then last but not least, our MCCM friend Bob Hood did the 64. And, it you know, it's great color. ah Nice stamps. ah So kudos. We had a lot of coverage in that magazine. We had ah almost every guy in the club.
01:14:34
Torben Rothgeb
Well, you know, you just built a Jägermeister one, and so did our buddy John Munoz. have it with me. My buddy John Munoz did that. That's true. Yeah. so Wow. It's a Jagermeister even. yeah so yeah You could learn from him, but you're already done. so Yes. Yeah. That was good.
01:14:52
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. Maybe when you're doing the Mustang. And as long as we're talking about MCCM, Kirby Hughes is always great. oh I love that 57 Chevy pickup. He's a natural. A unique model from Chris Vick.
01:15:05
Torben Rothgeb
The top of the page. Oh my gosh, yeah. And Ed Roth Mysterious. Somehow I missed that. um ah That is a great craftsmanship. ah it just in the of those Nice pick up from Michael Terrace.
01:15:19
Torben Rothgeb
He's not getting a lot of models built these days. He's too engaged. Well, we're happy for him. He's found found love and that's important too. Not as important as Marla Carr. No, just kidding. What's the McLaren before you go? here here's one of my Tim Swisher. okay Here's one of my favorites. from Isn't this from the Nationals? This is one of my favorites from the Nationals. Yes, a very weathered, you know. wish I would have thought about it. What is it saying here that ZZ Top is so old?
01:15:50
Torben Rothgeb
then and weathered. It's faded and rusty. You know they should have had? They should have had like a skeleton leg hanging out for their wonderful video. That's something you could take on. yes Awesome. That is contest cards from 2025. And just you certainly had one in there, We don't have enough time to talk about all the cars, so if I ah skipped some of our listeners, my apologies. All right. But that's just the stuff that took out. So, Torben, what's the question of the month?
01:16:25
Torben Rothgeb
All right. If you had to, gun to your head, maybe gun to your kid's head, gun to your dog's head. Whoa, whoa, whoa. You had to build a 24-hour kit. What would you build? I would build a kit that went together so well. It was so lovely to build. a Porsche 911 GT2 that Tamiya came out with in probably the early 90s. And there's quite a few different schemes for it. It just falls together. You could easily build it in 24 hours. So we have to have six choices? No, that's just one. This is our question the month for 24-hour one.
01:16:59
Torben Rothgeb
Yes. What would you do, Jim? Well, as as we were talking about it, reminded me of it again. so the AMT 68 Camaro would be... an easy one to put together.
01:17:12
Torben Rothgeb
Basically out of the box. it's it's pretty It's pretty accurate. um Parts are easy to you know paint and all that stuff. It's just a matter of opening the box. and bake.
01:17:27
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. I mean, you have to find one, obviously. I don't know i don't know if there's any out there now in current current release, but you'd have to find one. You might have to pay a little bit from eBay, but you could do it. Okay.
01:17:38
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, I mean, i think the keys are one color, ah not very many decals, not very many bare mouth oil. I was thinking, um actually, both of those Tamiya kits I bought in Michigan, ah the Renault, I bought that Renault Rally car.
01:17:56
Torben Rothgeb
got a complex paint scheme. It does. It does. But it's still, the Tamiya kids kind of go together. Or the Jägermeister one. Well, that's one color. Jägermeister portion. already has the windows in it. Do that. You just mask them on. It has the windows in it?
01:18:09
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. It's a Tamtec body that was molded with the windows in That's what you have? No, it's an that's a 962 he's got. mine And that's what Steve Hansen is now.
01:18:20
Torben Rothgeb
With Cameron's help, he's redoing the the inlets for the turbochargers. Who is he doing this for? Well, Steve Hansen's redoing those. For who? Himself.
01:18:31
Torben Rothgeb
What, Cameron's going to buy a couple too? Well, probably because he's going to fix He's going to hold on to them for somebody for years later. He'll have to buy at least
Re-release Kit Ideas and Market Potential
01:18:39
Torben Rothgeb
two, though. I know. That's kind of his way. But that is ah that would be a nice kit because they give you the masks.
01:18:45
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. There's not many parts in the kit. yeah Yeah. Yeah. That would be a great one. What was the one you said you would do? um I would do the Porsche 911 GT2. I did one two years ago. yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a black one. It goes together just like that, like butter.
01:18:58
Torben Rothgeb
So, and there's quite a few different decal schemes. So, um ah All right. Well, that gets us to our super six. If you could wave a magic wand and produce a modified re-release from kit tooling that is still available, to the best of our knowledge.
01:19:17
Torben Rothgeb
What kit would you do? And because it's kind of a long-winded question, yeah um i don't want to confuse you guys. No, but I don't think it's that complicated, though. well confused so I'll go first. so One that probably people get tired of me talking about, but...
01:19:34
Torben Rothgeb
um ah The Monogram 70 Mustang, I've always wanted them to do a Trans Am version for that. okay. That's a great idea. kind of That's a great idea. That's a great idea. And you could put somebody in the dust because then it doesn't matter if you ever did cast it. Yes. Our beloved Andy Martin is working on that project. Great.
01:19:58
Torben Rothgeb
you know Great idea. And I always thought those Trans Am cars, you could do one-size-fit-all roll cage. for those. It'd be so it such a great series. Well, engineering-wise, it would be a great. If you could do with engineering properly, it would be an easy kit to build. Yeah.
01:20:13
Torben Rothgeb
And you could be, I think the key is to do something that you could leave the existing tooling alone. Yeah. And provide extra parts for it or something. I mean, some of those anyway. Yeah, just run some headers, header dumps. Well, I'll just use, you know, the example of the moment for Mr. Torben would be, and this is something I had actually suggested to round two, and they've fallen on deaf ears apparently because they talked about it with me, was the Motown missile Barracuda because...
01:20:42
Torben Rothgeb
The kit, the tooling right now is still alive okay and and in living color. It's molded in yellow, but ah that could be changed. But it would only take, you know, the kit has a hood already from the original kit. yep um I think the wheels you might have to find because they're Fenton's and i don't know that those were reissued in some of the other versions.
01:21:06
Torben Rothgeb
But otherwise, you know, and you might have to have some engine pieces um I can't imagine there's you know tires. You'd have to have something for that. But it's it's nothing nothing that's you know a game changer as far as wanting to do it or not. The decals would be easy.
01:21:23
Torben Rothgeb
They have a big licensing from Don Carlton's son. Don Carlton was killed in a racing accident. So it could be done really easily. It wouldn't cost them that much. And they'd sell a lot of them because it's a popular car.
01:21:38
Torben Rothgeb
I would go for... The 63 Watson Roadster that our buddy Cameron built a beautiful version of Parnoli Jones car. But if they could do different noses and a couple of little different pieces, you could do a whole slew of Indy cars that ran from 1959 to 1965. And they'd have to do the tires too. And the tires and wheels would have to be changed. Because you're not going to use Michael for those.
01:22:05
Torben Rothgeb
So it would be, I think that would be really cool to do, yeah you know, because I built a couple, two, three of them in forty third and it's great, but it'd cool to take, do it in 24th, have a complete kit. So that that would be one mine.
01:22:16
Torben Rothgeb
yeah ye Well, not to be confused with the Trans Am racing series, but actual Trans Am, I feel like you look at how much those like MPC, um trans early 70s Trans Ams go for and you think, It would not take much for them to backdate the 77 Trans Am into the 76, the 75, you know, 73.
01:22:43
Torben Rothgeb
um All of those had pretty much the same ah chassis, same basic engine. shaker let's come on The Trans Am, Pontiac Trans Am stock.
01:22:55
Torben Rothgeb
You know, 73 Trans Am. What about the street car? Street car. Okay. Street car, yep. To do those street versions would not take much. So you would take the Revelle one? No, I would do the… MPC? MPC one, I think. That would be 125th scale. I'm not sure that those that tool is around… Well, even if you had to do, I felt like they ran that Smokey and the Bandit. Now, I know they had one that was off of a die cast that they also, ah to but I feel like they've reissued, well, at least the 79 one they re they released pretty recently because I have a version of it that's blue on the box.
01:23:38
Torben Rothgeb
Peaky poodle. It's drawing a blank. But, I mean, okay i mean my mind is rambling on other models to do. For the Smokey the Bandits. Sure. Okay. What about you, Jim?
01:23:49
Torben Rothgeb
ah Well, I'll stay with the pro stock theme. So the Camaro, I was talking about the 68. I actually built a model of it using – I had Fred Cady make the decals. It was Bill Jenkins' first pro stock Camaro, which was a 68 Camaro that he raced.
01:24:06
Torben Rothgeb
in 69 before they actually made it a class. But it's the AMT kit. I scratch built the hood scoop and, ah you know, a big block Chevy with a 2.4 setup and some Krager wheels and tires and some traction bars and some other doodads. It would be really easy for round two to bring that out and put decals in it.
01:24:32
Torben Rothgeb
They could sell it right after the Grumpy's Toy Vegas. So it'd be it'd be a good seller. Okay. I think mine would be if Fujimi would take, they have ah they have a curbside version of a Ferrari P4, one of the most beautiful cars I in 67. if they could put a a motor in it, put the V12 in the back and make it a complete kit in the opening back end, we could do some rivets but um and we could have the back end open it and then it would be fantastic.
01:25:03
Torben Rothgeb
you know because they have Why don't you bring up the rivets? Sorry. yeah and we can have a complete so What number are we up to here? I will reach down to I don't know if i can get six. Two plus two plus two is ten. Well, just some of the stock vehicles that similar, ah <unk>ll start with the 70 Challenger. You talked about having a resin conversion.
01:25:24
Torben Rothgeb
They would do a 71 Challenger. um That way you could do the 71 Pace car. Motown missiles. yeah sound or on challenger um Or even the pace car would be easier, I guess, if you use the AMT one.
01:25:42
Torben Rothgeb
In the same theme as the 68 Camaro that I talked about with a Bill Jenkins, he had a 70.5 Camaro, the Rally Sport Grill.
01:25:55
Torben Rothgeb
And PC actually did the kit, so they could just go into their archives and pull it out, and they would have all the information they need. They'd have to have a different hood scoop.
01:26:07
Torben Rothgeb
the wheels and tires, you know, some odds and ends, nothing, you know, but I mean, they have the the bones of the Camaro itself, the you know, the Rally Sport grille, you know, because they did the, the um what was it, the Yanko Camaro or whatever it was. That wasn't the Yanko, Baldwin Motion.
01:26:27
Torben Rothgeb
They did that as a kit. It was molded, and it's on, I think it's still selling at Hobby Lobby. It's got a big hood scoop on it. L88 hood scoop.
01:26:37
Torben Rothgeb
What year are talking about now? 70. Yeah, 70. Okay. Bulblin motion. Uh-huh. Joel Rosen had, he was a car guy, developed a bulblin motion moniker and did all those cars. But yeah, that would be another one they could do without much difficulty.
01:26:53
Torben Rothgeb
Cool. Yeah. Yeah. You can keep going. Cool. Yeah. Um, Okay, mine was just in my head, and now it's now it's gone away, unfortunately. Well, I'll jump on. Well, I have one, and I will follow up on you.
01:27:07
Torben Rothgeb
with I would love to see Donahue's 68 or 69 Camaro that he kicked ass in the Trans Am series, and just put the parts in and do a Mark Donahue car. Go get yourself a Perry's Resin.
01:27:22
Torben Rothgeb
Good luck finding that. Well, but Randy Durr did the master for that thing. Yes, I mean, that's like gold. That's gold. It would be something to go to Nebraska and talk to him about it.
01:27:34
Torben Rothgeb
yeah because Does he have one of those sitting around? Because I thought that – It was a guy, at Scott, or whatever. that was Who was the guy that – I've seen an ad for the 24-scale version. in the MMMR magazine.
01:27:49
Torben Rothgeb
Motor Racing Replica News? Yeah, and I'm like, I want to buy one of these. Well, you sell like popcorn. Yeah, it would sell like popcorn, but it just never was made. So anyway, one of the Badaniu Camaros would be great. And they even have the right, because they did the Sunoco Corvette. Yes, exactly. Right, yeah, it wouldn't be tough.
01:28:10
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. All right. Well, ah I always liked the Impalas, and I felt like either the 67 or the 70 could be moved to do a 68 or 69 Impala.
01:28:22
Torben Rothgeb
I felt like it wouldn't be too much work that they could. Cool. um ah Well, and then on the same subject, same kit, theoretically, they did the 67 four-door one for the TV show. um do Why not do a cop car with that? You got a four-door car. yeah People that like ah police cars. Paul Burbay. Yes, exactly. The man. So another one that's it's a no-brainer, and you can do multiple cars.
01:28:53
Torben Rothgeb
is to take the, you know, slide JJ upside because this would be too complicated for him, was to take the Ravel 32 series and you could do some other body styles. You could do a Fayette. Oh, okay. That would be a great idea.
01:29:09
Torben Rothgeb
You could do a Ford or you could do, I mean, there's there's multiple versions you could do with just a body. That sounds great. There's resin stuff that we did that other people do.
01:29:20
Torben Rothgeb
um Use the same fenders, an engine, blah, blah, blah, you know, on and on. Wow. Mine would be a scale thing. To me, I did Porsche 910, which ran in 66 and was a very successful car in the end of two liter class. I mean, classic built one, but it's in 12 scale. So if they had made that in 24th, that's just a a great thing to have for Porsche people.
01:29:45
Torben Rothgeb
You know, to have a 910 like that would be great. So nothing this is this is your fifth one. My fifth one. Well, I would say and it's not modified because technically they thought they did it. But to do the Dodge Daytona, if Revell had done it like they were supposed to do, and actually put real NASCAR ah wheels in it and put a real roll cage in it. um Get rid of the vinyl top.
01:30:15
Torben Rothgeb
Well, that one doesn't have vinyl top. talking about the Daytona? The Daytona. I'm thinking of the Superbird. Yeah, the Daytona. But the Superbird was also kind of a morphed version because it was a street car, but it wasn't kind of a thing. Yeah, I mean. But they gave you some stock car parts in that too.
01:30:33
Torben Rothgeb
Well, they did the Richard, when they did the Richard Petty version. Yeah, that's what talking the worst box car you could ever. see It still goes for money because people like petty. and so It had some collector value, um but it was ridiculous. I want at the end that I want the last hurrah. I just thought of it now and it's too good. It had a vinyl top. and Oh my God, it was so much wrong with that. You wanted to build a stock car. That was even worse than Revelle's Dodge Daytona. It needs more help.
01:31:09
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. All right. We'll take it away. Okay. So this this will get right to the jugular in the world of Salvinos to modify a tooling to the what they should have done in the first place, which was an accurate chassis for the stock car kits. Oh, gosh. yeah So it doesn't have that humped whale, you know, the hump in the middle of the floor and the adjustable chassis.
01:31:37
Torben Rothgeb
yeahp You know, and while you're at it, get rid of those freaking metal bumpers, which they've kind of done that now. but But I think, you know, that's one of those things that they said they would do eventually. and it'll never happen.
01:31:49
Torben Rothgeb
No, if they came out with a really good Mopar chassis that would have gone from, you know, 67 all the way to, you know, Betty's last charger. I mean, they would have, yeah, just people would have bought them. I mean, I find myself buying all those Polar Lights Talladegas just for a lot of the racing parts, you know. And those are getting pricey. Yeah. Yeah.
01:32:13
Torben Rothgeb
so yeah no it's it's um That was unfortunate when they, ah you know, at least they got the body right on the Charger and the Roadrunner is passable, you know. mom You know, I'm sure that. Yeah, it's passable, I think. I think, you know, like Jay has proven that it's.
01:32:31
Torben Rothgeb
you know Jay Savarese built that one right when it came out, and he ended up getting like a top 10 at the Acme show. yeah That was like yeah you know the first time anybody's seen it. so yeah no i think um and i don't know you You didn't touch on Salvino's that much, but that latest Saturday morning cartoon, there wasn't much on that show. I don't know if you saw it or not.
01:32:53
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. Yeah. Now they're, there's not much that they're trying to sell as far as new kids go. They're slowing down. I'm always a little worried. They're still not talking about the Lotus.
01:33:06
Torben Rothgeb
Still. yeah But now, good news is they are not doing the metal. Originally, you thought they were going to do the engine was going to be, you know. Oh, white metal? They're not doing that now? It's 3D printed. Well, that makes a lot. That's good. It's worth the wait then. It's worth the wait. I mean, I have any. long as it doesn't cost you anything. No, I've already paid for it. And, you know, I've got plenty of kits to build and so does Cameron. You know, so mean, it's not you know. Keep Cameron out of this. He's in another time okay? So my fifth one would be, I've always been very frustrated by the fact that there's, MPC did the McLaren Can-Am cars, the dominant Can-Am cars, the B and the D in 20th scale. And then they never did an F, which was the classic, their last championship car. So if they would take
01:33:53
Torben Rothgeb
those kits, the the B and the D. Now, Accurate Miniatures, Grant, you did do a B, but if they would do a D and put it in 24 scale, it wouldn't be that hard to do make an out of the D. And you'd have all these all these great K&M cards in one scale, because now it goes from 24 to 18. How hard
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01:34:10
Torben Rothgeb
would it be to do those parts in resin?
01:34:12
Torben Rothgeb
What's that? How hard would it be to do those parts in resin? If somebody knew what they were doing. Didn't Andy Kellogg do that for an article? One of the guys took the – it's the back end of the – Did he use the Acura Miniatures Kellogg? Yep, and the front end is the same. So what you need – there's no A either.
01:34:28
Torben Rothgeb
So there's no M8A at all. So he took the M8B and converted it back to an I don't know enough about it to see what it went to change. I can't imagine it's that hard though. Well, you have to cut the whole back end of the of the yeah B off and make out sheet plastic for the A. I think Andy Kellogg did that. I think he did. you know i decide sounds It sounds doable.
01:34:48
Torben Rothgeb
it is um But again, hours and hours and hours. It's a lot of work. so you know and i did But by doing a master is a lot of work. But once you have it done, then you can cast, you can have cast it for you. Oh, yeah. And you can do 20. I mean, you haven't heard this story, but apparently he has bunch of stuff he doesn't know it belongs to. Oh, yeah. Bob does. I'm bringing it to the meeting. bringing it back to the meeting. Yeah.
01:35:15
Torben Rothgeb
And then we can fight over it. It might be a gas tank. We'll talk after we're done. That's mine. There's a fuel cell, isn't there? It's a fuel cell. He's casting those. There's also a seat from the Polar Lights kit. And he's casting those. And we'll all take those. Maybe. Anyways. We're fighting over them. He did a bunch of different seats for me, too. right So I'm just really...
01:35:37
Torben Rothgeb
frustrated by they ran from 67 they ran six straight years where they dominated the can-am yeah that we're back to the uh and and just that you don't have any you don't have there's no the scales are all over the place it's nuts anyway last one Last one. All right. Well, ah not being creative here, but I'll come full circle and go back to another Trans Am. Even though I guess it won one race, but the Chaparral 70 Camaro.
01:36:12
Torben Rothgeb
And they did re-release the one with the bumper because that one had the straight bumper. um So the Chaparral straight bumper Trans Am. That'd be a good car. Yeah, I want to race.
01:36:24
Torben Rothgeb
All right, you're on number six. Come with number six. Number six? well Well, actually, there's a couple, but I'll let you decide. But anyway, this is another one that round two should do because there's a kit out. All you have to do is put a hood on it, and ah Eric built one. It was a Pro Stock Mustang II that he did. It was a Scott Shafiroff.
01:36:49
Torben Rothgeb
it was red. it was It was actually some really nice decals that he found. They weren't slicks, but i'm basically it sits a hood and a few parts, and he could do another. Is that the Roush and Gap one, too? or Well, that that was a Pinto, but they had a Mustang, too, as well. Yeah.
01:37:04
Torben Rothgeb
And Jack learned that he shouldn't drive because he crashed one, so he didn't drive those anymore. But, yeah, those were all real popular, competitive, won world championships.
01:37:17
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. so Yeah, well, speaking of the others, you do the Pinto as well. Right. Or the Mustang, too. Both could be done. And the Pinto, you've got a couple of those from AMT that are out now. Yeah, because they gave you, even the stock versions gave you all the kind of racing parts and stuff. And a 429, I think.
01:37:37
Torben Rothgeb
Although, was the pro stock running 429s in those? They just gave it to you to give you a big engine there. Yeah, made you feel good. Yeah. I think the last one I would do is what MPC did, the Gurney Eagle, the 68 car that he finished second. And of course, they also did the the Bobby Unser car that won in 68. And so... He did win, though. He did win. And and he did win it, though. Yeah, it is. He didn't screw somebody He didn't cheat out like he did earlier.
01:38:04
Torben Rothgeb
But um that car was not that much different for 69 and even up to 70. Gurney had the same car with different back end and stuff. It'd be really cool if they would do um Of course, the ideal thing is that they could take that and make the Gurney Formula One car out of it, you know, but that's probably not going to happen. But if they could just do another another version of Gurney's car, because he finished second in 69, 68, you know, so get it something that he could do another Gurney car.
01:38:33
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, i mean, it's going to have limited appeal. It's going to have very limited appeal. don't know where you're going to get the molds, because I don't think that that MPC mold is probably not around anymore. No, they still shockingly don't sell for much. I mean, there was a couple of them that- That's why I said it's going to have limited appeal. And those are not easy to build. They're not easy to build. Toby did a really nice job on his. Pretty much none of those open world cars go for much. It's real dark. It's one the things I'd say. Darker than Cal's. About the same.
01:39:01
Torben Rothgeb
So, I mean, it's just, you know, but it's he did a nice job and there's a way to build with this. He must not have been happy with it then or something. He's not happy with it, you know. So, okay. well yeah Well, that's it. All right, gentlemen. Well, thank you for another great show.
01:39:16
Torben Rothgeb
And hopefully by the time we're back, it'll be even closer to springtime. I hope so, baby. Definitely. Maybe we could broadcast live from a different place.
01:39:27
Torben Rothgeb
There you go. Maybe from one of these shows. I think that'd be a cool idea. Can't forget our wonderful new sponsor, Clint Williams Printing T-shirts.
01:39:37
Torben Rothgeb
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01:39:50
Torben Rothgeb
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