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Episode 12
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Torben, Bob, and Jim remember Bill Coulter and talk about their summer of lost 80s heroes.
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Introduction and Welcomes
00:00:02
Torben Rothgeb
Welcome to the Tiny Car Podcast. This is your host, Torvin Rosgab, and my co-host, Bob Madrick, coming to you live from the Lake Street Studios in beautiful Minneapolis, the coolest city in the world.
00:00:16
Torben Rothgeb
Alright, well hello out there in podcast land. We also want to welcome in our good friend, Jim...
Reflecting on 80s Stars and Ozzy Osbourne
00:00:25
Torben Rothgeb
campman He's ah doing great tonight. But what we're not doing great with is a tough summer for 80s heroes.
00:00:33
Torben Rothgeb
ah We lost the Oz Meister, ah you know which was a ah surprise that... Biting the heads off bats didn't kill him. you know All the the harmful stuff he did to goats and puppies and all the rumors. I don't know if you guys ever heard those rumors. Yes. as well ah I think he did enough drugs to take care of anyone. yeah Yes, but he who would have thought he made it to 76? I know. But the British have really good genes. He had that really good reality show too. so Yes.
00:01:03
Torben Rothgeb
yeah yeah Well, I think his wife probably did help him. ah live a little longer than he probably would have if he continued along the path that he was going on.
Baseball Legends and Model Car Tribute
00:01:13
Torben Rothgeb
so And the Hulkster.
00:01:15
Torben Rothgeb
The Hulkster has wrestled his last match. Oh, I'm devastated. He was a phenom, though. He was. In the eighty s he was everywhere.
00:01:26
Torben Rothgeb
um He was. Leo had brought it up, and it was really funny. that At the time, you know Ozzy was this sinister devil worshiper kind of evil guy.
00:01:38
Torben Rothgeb
Hulk Hogan was a good guy wrestler right that always took his vitamins and and and did all this other stuff, prayed and whatever else, I think. But then when you talk to people that were around these people, Ozzy seemed like a genuinely pretty nice person.
00:01:56
Torben Rothgeb
And a lot of the people, Hulk Hogan managed to ah anger a lot of people. Our our former governor, Jesse Ventura, didn't get along with
Remembering Bill Coulter's Legacy
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Torben Rothgeb
him. and so What a tragedy. Well, I was a Navy SEAL.
00:02:13
Torben Rothgeb
Hulk Hogan. Yeah, so... Anyhow, ah Rhino, if you grew up in Illinois, Ryan Sandberg was a big was was huge in the 80s. Cubs fans had Ryan Sandberg, and the Cardinals fans had Ozzie Smith. and you know One of the few still great baseball cities, say both St. Louis and Chicago, probably along with Boston and New York.
00:02:39
Torben Rothgeb
where baseball might my at least rival the NFL, where pretty much everywhere else the NFL is king. but So we lost Rhino as well. um And then we had a huge um Mount Rushmore type guy almost in the hobby and Bill Coulter passed away. So, you know, since this is a show about model cars, we will probably ah definitely owed to Bill Coulter for our episode number 12.
00:03:12
Torben Rothgeb
um For those of you who are counting, um, What are your ah thoughts and memories of Bill Coulter, Jim? Because I know you were a pretty close friend of his. Yeah.
00:03:22
Torben Rothgeb
No, I would just say that um this is kind of a – people say this a lot, but, you know, there are people that, you know, come in and out of your live life and you don't know what kind of an impact they're going to give to you, you know, and when you meet them, when do you get to know them. Yeah.
00:03:43
Torben Rothgeb
Just a few things that really stand out. And somebody else brought this up and I actually thought of it too, was um probably one of the nicest people that you would ever meet in the hobby and always laughing. Like if you went to a show and he was there, you could hear him like ah from across the room because he was joking. It was fun.
00:04:07
Torben Rothgeb
He was clearly into what he was doing. one One of probably the biggest thing that I took away from him was that he actually was able to make a career out of model cars.
00:04:20
Torben Rothgeb
That is articles, magazines, books. you know, and he just kept going. He was always looking for more material, even after he he had kind of a falling out with Scalato and model cars because they weren't paying them, you know, paying their bills.
00:04:39
Torben Rothgeb
And so he started his own book through Amazon. And that's what, you know, this was that, you know, those ones I, you know, loaned you or whatever. That's what those are is that all the proceeds from those books go to his family.
00:04:53
Torben Rothgeb
And so, and they're not, they're reasonably priced. They're all, you know, really, you know, if you're interested in stock cars, you know, he's got a really good mix of stock, you know, replicas and muscle cars and race cars. Yeah.
00:05:09
Torben Rothgeb
I mean, he kept going with that stuff, and he was able to tap into a lot of really good builders, including himself. um One thing, you know, i brought I brought this up at the meeting was that he had his first magazine article published in Car Modeler in 1970.
00:05:29
Torben Rothgeb
Wow. my My earliest memory of his was Model Car Science had a model of the month, it was called. and everything in these magazines were all black and white, really cheap paper, but the quality of the articles was second to none. I mean, it was really good quality.
00:05:48
Torben Rothgeb
So anyway, the model that he built that was model of the month, I know this is a drag car, so you'll have to be patient, but, um, it was a 68 Hemi Dart.
00:05:59
Torben Rothgeb
It was the Hustlin Hemi, um, There wasn't an actual kit of the 68 Hemi Dart. There was a funny car, which had the wheelbase altered because that was a Charlie Allen 69 Dart is what the kit was.
00:06:15
Torben Rothgeb
And he converted it into us a 68 Hemi Dart. And then also, it was a replica of ah a guy, I'm forgetting his name now. But anyway, it was an actual replica, and he hand-lettered the entire car.
00:06:30
Torben Rothgeb
And I happened to see the car and there was a bunch of people that were playing paying tribute to him on Facebook. And there was some um different clubs that were having their model meeting and somebody brought some of his cars and that um <unk> dart was there in color and I'd never seen in color. And it kind of stopped me in my tracks. And I looked at it and was like, this model looked like it was brand new. Like he just finished the thing.
00:06:54
Torben Rothgeb
It didn't wow paint didn't crack, you know, they didn't yellow. you know was just And he kept all his stuff. And like I i mentioned, you know the Petty Plymouth, he got a lot of mileage out of those kits.
00:07:07
Torben Rothgeb
And just, yeah yeah, he was just a lot of fun to be around. He was very knowledgeable about but car you know real cars. He would do these... um when he did like an article on building a specific race car, whether it was a drag car or whatever, he'd have these little cross-sectional drawings that how you would, you know, run your brake lines or fuel lines, put a fuel pump in and you'd scratch build it or you'd get it from a kit.
00:07:36
Torben Rothgeb
um No, he was, he's an encyclopedia. I mean, he, um he was a, a, president of the Richard Petty fan club. I always remember that because he was a president for a long time and he used to go to a lot of races in the sixties.
00:07:51
Torben Rothgeb
And, um, I just can't even imagine what that would be like. Cause you know, that was in my opinion, like some of the greatest, uh, drivers, teams, you know, cars, it was, you know, the, the era of the went on Sunday, sell on Monday and all that stuff. So,
00:08:10
Torben Rothgeb
You know, but anyway, so he made a career out of this thing and he kept going, doing it for as long as he could. And, you know, I admire the the guy for a lot of different reasons, but the biggest one is just because he was such a nice guy and He would always spend time, and you know I apologize for that.
00:08:27
Torben Rothgeb
you know I know he didn't didn't treat you with the – he didn't know who you were. Well, I think by the time Bob and I met him, ah you know he's maybe a a little older. And you know probably like if you were in you know the the club and you were hobnobbing with the big knockers like you and and some of the other people – He'd probably be But, you know, I you know i i ah to i think to really understand just how big and of an influence he was in the hobby, you'd have to go back to a time where there was no Internet, where you couldn't just Google a picture of whatever you're working on and get every different picture that you need.
00:09:11
Torben Rothgeb
yeah um You know and i had to do scratch building. You had to kit bash. And like ah the Red Book that I call ah the Bible, Scale Model Stock Cars, um that was just a go-to for everything I was building in the mid-90s to look at how to do this and how to do that. and Yeah, he was great at detailing out how to wire up an old oil cooler or a rear end cooler and what went here and there.
00:09:44
Torben Rothgeb
And so just an unbelievable resource yeah when there weren't that many resources.
The Evolution of Model Car Kits
00:09:51
Torben Rothgeb
And so, um yeah, I think. You make a good point. Yeah, because there was no internet.
00:09:56
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. I bought this and I've used it a lot. That skill model suckers. It's great stuff. Yeah. And so, and Bill basically did a lot of almost everything that did was, you know, the old fashioned way, you know, you write the article and with a typewriter and all that stuff.
00:10:14
Torben Rothgeb
And he was really good at it. I mean, he would have a nice, if it was a specific car, Let's say it was a 64 premise just for, you know, because we were talking about that. He would have this, ah somebody built a stock one, and then he would have that with the NASCAR, you know, car. And then, um you know, maybe a drag version or, yeah, he just, he covered it all. I mean, it's just, um anyway, I really just, I treasure all the memories that I had with him. So, you know, like, you know, when you find out someone's past, it's like.
00:10:47
Torben Rothgeb
You just don't really know how to ah you're going to respond or whatever. And I still don't think it's really hit me that hard. But he was a great person. So, I mean, that's I think that's – I won't say anymore. But anyway.
00:10:59
Torben Rothgeb
Well, another one, the Cards of the King book was just amazing. yeah Imagine somebody actually sitting down and going, I'm going to do a ah book on all the cars that he had. yeah This was after he retired. And being able to get it published. Right. you know And it was huge. It was like – what do you call it?
00:11:18
Torben Rothgeb
Not a dictionary, but a, um this is his too. this one Yeah. Oh yeah. I mean, it's great there's so many that you don't even realize how many articles he's done. and he and he rep repurposed some of those years later and they still fit.
00:11:32
Torben Rothgeb
He was great at recycling those different things. um But no, I, the first time i whenever I'm thinking about doing ah another petty car, I get the cars of the King book and look and see, you know,
00:11:45
Torben Rothgeb
Well, there's the, you mentioned the other night, the, um, uh, the price guide thing, that book that he did on, you know, prices of kits, you know, it's like, uh, basically just take, take a moment in time.
00:12:00
Torben Rothgeb
And, you know, what what are these kids worth? Now, thank God ah my ex-wife did not get a hold of that when we were going through divorce and adding up our stuff. Can we have a word?
00:12:16
Torben Rothgeb
Looking at some of those is just really funny, too, because he has like the Alan Kawicki kit that comes with the tool stuff right and things like that.
00:12:28
Torben Rothgeb
um I think I got a Bobby Allison one for $5 at our last auction. He has that priced out at $70. um But in the mid-'90s, that this stuff was... you know And again, that was kind of before eBay, too. How much was that Kawicki kit worth?
00:12:45
Torben Rothgeb
that the one you said was worth $70? He has a price in there for $70. I'm sure if you looked hard enough, you could find it in different places for $5. Right. right Most NASCAR kits.
00:12:56
Torben Rothgeb
It's ah subjective, though. I mean, you know depending on where you live. It's a popular area that a lot of model cars are sold and bought in.
00:13:08
Torben Rothgeb
Well, supply and demand just goes up and down so much. and And certainly the bubble burst for NASCAR, everything. Well, I mean, you know, this kind of segues into the Salvino's doing that Budweiser Monte Carlo double kit or whatever you want to call it. But they give you the flat nose. Right.
00:13:29
Torben Rothgeb
But, but I always remember when, um, Monogram brought out that, um, it was It wasn't a double kit, but it basically had the decals for both cars. But you could build Waltrip's.
00:13:43
Torben Rothgeb
Was it Waltrip? Yeah, Waltrip and Neil Bonnet. Neil Bonnet. And yeah the kit was only out for like two months because it came out in like the fall. This one, all the new kits came out.
00:13:54
Torben Rothgeb
And Budweiser was basically pulled the kit off the shelves because it was, you know, bad for children or whatever. Really? Well, it was beer and tobacco sponsorship stuff.
00:14:07
Torben Rothgeb
So the thing went off the shelves and the price went through the roof. I mean, it was like... ok um Because they only made so many of them. They stopped production... And if you were a model car builder, there's NASCAR, which at that time was pretty popular. That was the only game in town. Right. Because you didn't have aftermarket decals. Right. So ja wasn't even.
00:14:28
Torben Rothgeb
And you could build either version off that box, you know, off that kit. So, um and it was really accurate. So anyway, but then, you know, now, fast forward to now, I mean, it's probably not worth Well, I think the one with Salvino's, while I was a little bit of a head-scratcher, I was a head-scratcher for me that they've done all of the kind of wall-trip Budweiser cars except for the one he won the championship in.
00:14:52
Torben Rothgeb
right It's like, hello, they pride themselves on doing Daytona winners and championship cars. It's like, well, why don't you do the 85 Budweiser car? And then just about nine, or it seems like nine months ago, maybe it's a little more, that they did the same 84 paint schemes.
00:15:09
Torben Rothgeb
um And this time they put the flat nose option in there. But ah flat nose, ah you know, are certainly still out there. I mean, the model expo was selling, i think, uh, either the Hardee's flat nose or one of the other flat nose for about $19 now.
00:15:26
Torben Rothgeb
So if you want a a flat nose, uh, Monte Carlo, it's not super hard to find. And
Salvino and Tamiya Model Contributions
00:15:33
Torben Rothgeb
the novelty of it is Waltrip raced at one race at Nashville, you know? So, I mean, it's a pretty obscure car. it didn't win anything, you know?
00:15:43
Torben Rothgeb
Um, but, uh, you know At least with the Gatorade flat nose car that they did, Bobby Allison won a race in that one. So, um yes. ah and so But they do have something I am looking forward to a couple of things Salvinos has I'm looking forward too After the the Darrell Waltrip, Neil Bonnet car comes, next month they're doing a club-exclusive Marty Robbins Charger.
00:16:14
Torben Rothgeb
And so that will be pretty cool. How many will they do, though? um many all these They're just doing for the club members. Oh, really? So you can't get it at the store? No, you will not be able to get it at the store. Out of the west Texas town of El Paso. Yes. Well, no, because there's been other ones that didn't take action they actually them They others before. They did the Benny Parsons, ah Pontiac Le Mans, J.D. Stacey car, and then they did a reverse ah scheme Petty.
00:16:44
Torben Rothgeb
Oh, yeah. The 77 Monte Carlo. That one's just bouncing off the shelves. Well, any time you have that Monte Carlo body, it's just like – I built one.
00:16:55
Torben Rothgeb
I did a lot of work. if you do If you put enough work into it, it can look decent. Considering it's defeated Tom Finch, who's an excellent builder. Yeah.
00:17:05
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. and i mean, you know, yeah. Yeah, yeah Eric built ah built a Monte Carlo. I built a Monte Carlo. Oh, Finch, you mean? Well, I was able to finish his, but he was like...
00:17:16
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, it's too bad he built that one. Calm down. for selling yes No, he did. He built another one, though. No, built another one. Because built the Cale Yarborough Babelinkar. Yeah, he built the Cale Yarborough Babelinkar. He did, you're right. He almost won the category in the club contest with that one. He did, yeah. That's how nice it was. Yeah, that's right up there with his Karmagia.
00:17:36
Torben Rothgeb
But, yeah. He never lets that go. um But that, you know, again, that was the repop of the monogram body and chassis. So it's not exactly apples and oranges.
00:17:48
Torben Rothgeb
No, no. well Well, the thing that upsets me too with that, because i I'm trying to complete 71 or 72 Roadrunner. Right. um and I've taken so long on it. When I first started building it, I painted and the 71 Roadrunner Petty Blue.
00:18:04
Torben Rothgeb
um It was going to be a 71. But then they came out with the one that the first race had the STP sponsorship, but it's still Petty Blue. And now I'm going to do that one. So I've taken so long on this project, it's gone from a 71 to a 72.
00:18:18
Torben Rothgeb
um But it is almost rage-inducing. all done. All the big pinhole marks on the bottom of it. Because you're like... this chassis is nowhere near accurate.
00:18:30
Torben Rothgeb
Uh, it's nothing that would be, you know, it, it only builds it up curbside, you know, but somehow I can't leave these big pinholes on the bottom of the kit. So I'm spending two hours filling in these pinholes and I'm like, well, takes away your volume builder moniker. It does. It really, well, it slowed me down enough. Uh, yeah. Slowed me down enough that it it's still, uh, just the body is, um,
00:18:56
Torben Rothgeb
But, you know i you know, it's a love-hate relationship with Salvino's. Thanks to them, we have current NASCARs, we have current IndyCars, and, you know, a lot of NASCAR kits are out there, probably for the rest of my lifetime. absolutely. I'll be able to go to the dungeon, and there will be a Salvino's kit.
00:19:15
Torben Rothgeb
I only met Bill once with you, and that was it. But the only thing I will know of him is I have both these books, and they're lovely books to do. And to segue into another giant that we lost was Mr. Tamiya.
00:19:29
Torben Rothgeb
Yes. So he was the president and founder of Tamiya. He was an older man in his 90s. And that that name is synonymous with quality hits. Well, I was trying to give you a segue when I was talking about Salvino's because according to Rick Salvino, the next-gen cars are going to be Tamiya-like. So I was hoping you were going to pick up the but no i more passed out when he told me that because I was in the knee deep in my SVG build. so
00:19:59
Torben Rothgeb
But I mean, but the Tamiya stuff is like armor, airplanes, cars, ships, all top quality stuff. They've gone through phases where some stuff's better than others, but I mean, it's still, I've built a lot of Tamiya kits and they're and they're great and they're very, they return the pleasure to the hobby.
00:20:17
Torben Rothgeb
When you build a Tamiya kit, it's like it's very pleasurable. It's like when you get down and it sits right, I don't have to screw around with, you know, hogging out the backs of the wheels to get them to fit. And they were so well engineered.
00:20:29
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. You know. No, Jim and I were at the hobby shop, and I was looking it. We were walking around, and i I was saying, you know, if I really cared about getting more awards, I would build more Tamiya stuff because ah the stuff you get dinged at at a contest, if you're building Tamiya's, it's a lot less.
00:20:49
Torben Rothgeb
Because you're starting with good bones. You're starting with good bones. And the airplane guys said the same thing, and the ship guys and the armor guys. The armor guys, you know, there's less – detail on some of their armor kits mean like they'll mold in grab handles and they'll do things like that but you know what the kits fall together i just finished the the french tank from the late it was like i built in a week yeah but boom it's done well they they weren't always perfect they weren't always perfect i mean i i recall the um trying to think what that thing was the ones with the engines in
00:21:22
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. But but some of some of their decals in the earlier days were pretty bad. Pretty bad. That's true. and so they were trend they didn't They weren't opaque. group There was like a Capri, I remember.
00:21:36
Torben Rothgeb
Oh, yeah. that you know i It was a one of the first kits I built when I joined MSM. And it was like, it had, like you said, it had like the electric engine in the back. It's like...
00:21:48
Torben Rothgeb
you know But you know they were trying to do more than one thing at a time. So that's why they had a plan. but I got a funny story with those motors. And my brother is a big-time listener on this show. Really? So I got to say hi to him and, of course, Randy, our our great sponsor.
00:22:06
Torben Rothgeb
But anyway, he had the motor. He was building the Porsche with the Martini one. Anyway, he had it the motor, and he was trying to get it going.
00:22:18
Torben Rothgeb
So he stuck the wires in the wall out and surprisingly got shot. Surprisingly. Wow. And he lived to tell about it. He lived to tell about it. Wow. yeah Lived another day. know.
00:22:33
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, you're right. Tamaya has finally
Racing Event Memories and Real Racing Desires
00:22:36
Torben Rothgeb
done things like they've had to catch up to the aftermarket. So airplanes now have masks, pre-cut masks.
00:22:45
Torben Rothgeb
They have nose weights. On a tricycle any year plane. um The decals for most of the cars are all cartographed now. So they're smart. They went back and reissued kits with cartographed decals, photo etched pieces.
00:22:58
Torben Rothgeb
yeah yeah and you know So anyway, he was a giant. so What do you mean? He lived a long life and everything. He had a great life. great and you know So what was his background?
00:23:13
Torben Rothgeb
The little bit I know about right after the war. He
00:23:20
Torben Rothgeb
worked in motorcycles. No, it's okay. Motorcycles or something with mopeds. And then his first kits were in the early 60s. They were 125th scale tanks and 112th scale Formula One cars.
00:23:37
Torben Rothgeb
Mm-hmm. So the first Formula One kind of car, I mean, it was very Japanese-centric. So it was a Honda Formula One car that raced in 1967. Mm-hmm. And you can still buy kit.
00:23:48
Torben Rothgeb
Was that 112th scale or 120th? 12th scale. Okay. um kind And so it was, that was his thing. So they've caught up with the world and.
00:23:59
Torben Rothgeb
Passed them all by. Yeah. I mean, you just have to say the word and you know it's a quality kit. Right. Yep. yeah one They did a fair number of 120th, which is why Salvino's did 120th. That was their choice. They actually were the ones that selected that scale.
00:24:19
Torben Rothgeb
Because Formula One cars are not big. car and I think it was really it was a really good idea the time. like Still probably is, you know. yeah Well, I know the both the the Monogram and the AMT 125th scale, the Indy cars didn't do really well.
00:24:35
Torben Rothgeb
No. So, anyway. Well, they're not done yet, but, you know. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Well, um ah we were out at Road America. That was our big field trip of the summer that we went out to.
00:24:54
Torben Rothgeb
Bob, what are your thoughts on on Road America 2025? It was fun. but was fun it wass fun to see, you know, real cars. And like you said, it's...
00:25:07
Torben Rothgeb
It's fun to go every couple of years. Yeah. Every two, three years. And this year we broke it up nicely because it rained pretty heavily in the morning on Saturday. So no one's taken out their vintage race cars on the track.
00:25:19
Torben Rothgeb
So we drove down to Milwaukee and we hit hobby shops. It was great. So we broke the day up. We broke the day up. And then we did the same thing on Sunday. And it was a very pleasant trip.
00:25:31
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. I know for me. or Any holy grail purchases? Yeah. not ah Not that I can say. Probably the stuff I bought um was just like NASCAR stuff for really cheap.
00:25:46
Torben Rothgeb
um And then, of course, well, it's so funny to think about um because I bought the Darrell Waltrip Lumina. I was thinking about the other night and was cleaning out the garage and going through some inventory and stuff.
00:26:00
Torben Rothgeb
And remembered that 1995,
00:26:05
Torben Rothgeb
I went to Super Chevy in Indianapolis at Indianapolis Raceway Park. And I bought the same kit for $10. How would you pay for this one? Fast forward 30 years later at Model Empire, ah paid $7. So it got me to thinking, how many things in life could you buy 30 years later that was actually cheaper?
00:26:29
Torben Rothgeb
So you get to wait another 30 years. and It'll probably be $3. $3, yeah. but when you'll so You'll still have those other two that you haven't built. It'll be like a post-apocalyptic world. People will be walking through, and they'll still be able to find NASCAR kits for $5.
00:26:45
Torben Rothgeb
but So what were your thoughts on it? ah You know, the first time I went to Road America, do you remember what year that was? We stayed at Mike's house, Mike Klessis.
00:26:56
Torben Rothgeb
It was pre-pandemic. Yeah. 18 or 19? I was blown away. It was the coolest thing I'd ever seen. getting ah you know Being able to walk through and look at all these vintage cars and you know all kinds of detailed pictures and stuff. and um But this being my third trip, it's kind of worn off a little bit as far as um you know most of the cars are recreations. like What was that really good Ferrari we saw?
00:27:29
Torben Rothgeb
We saw a P4 that was a really, really beautiful recreation of the 1967 car. And the Ford Mark IV was a recreation, and that was beautifully done. Yep.
00:27:40
Torben Rothgeb
You know, the the Gurney AJ Foyt winner. But like you say, a lot of them are recreations. Some are the real deal. Yeah. Now, the McLarens. Those are the real deal. Those are real. And, you know, those are really cool.
00:27:54
Torben Rothgeb
um I guess my one wish is that they would have some kind of real racing. you know cause And this year's theme was Formula 5000, which I'm not – like the year we went and Jim went, it was Trans Am. And so they had all those old Trans Am cars. That was really cool. Well, and I'll just – because we're planning on going to Detroit, I'll be interested to see your reaction when you see the real McCoy at Detroit because when you see the Mark four it's just –
00:28:29
Torben Rothgeb
So tiny. o I mean, when you think about Dan Gurney. Big guy. and yeah Yeah, really tall guy. And then A.J. Floyd was a big boy. And he was like his rookie.
00:28:42
Torben Rothgeb
You know, he this was a maiden voyage in that. You know, both of them, really. But it really, don't know, it blew me away when I saw it the first time because it was so small.
00:28:54
Torben Rothgeb
isn and And then you look at that little bump. in the roof you know and stuff it's just it's timeless stuff did you guys ever see harry and the hendersons yes yeah so that's another great uh john lithgow it's a great movie you're a movie snob but john lithgow is like one of the great actors comedy he can do serious he can do creepy like he played in um dexter um but anyway you actually saw him and He was a lot smaller than in person. Well, no, what what made me think of this in in my ADHD brain is Harry and the Henderson was just like this Sasquatch guy that they discover.
00:29:36
Torben Rothgeb
I think it's in Oregon or Washington or somewhere. Every time he gets in the car, he bumps up his head and there's a bump in the roof. And so that's what all these cars look like for Dan Gurney because he was so the big that they had to put a little bump in the roof and we saw a lot of cars even that Dan Gurney didn't drive that they put the little bump right think there was a Ford GT40 recreated it had the bump in it and then you saw that pictures so the car sounds going that didn't have the bump in it shut hell
00:30:09
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. So anyway. So no, I really liked it. I just wish like one of the years they had the like the Dodge Neon division or something and those guys would really get after it. They would go after it. And so you could mix in some really good racing.
00:30:22
Torben Rothgeb
What I was going to say is that I think part of the reason why all you're seeing is recreations and that kind of thing. It's the same thing that happens with – muscle cars and collector cars where people aren't driving them anymore because they're worth too much money they're trailer queens they're trailer queens and so i think that's what's happening with some of those exotics probably a lot of them unless it's something that was mass produced and they're still around or it's something so rare that right exactly years ago when we went
00:30:56
Torben Rothgeb
It was was about Dan Gurney. So there was his actual 1967 Gurney Eagle at one spot. There were a bunch of his Indy cars. It was jaw-dropping. And then the Ferrari trailer comes from California and drops off GTO.
00:31:11
Torben Rothgeb
Dino, 3-3 SP, we're all just going like, holy crap. i So it was ah it was a really great display. This shit was okay. Yeah. Well, and again, I think, like, because we also had the, it was the Ferrari theme, too, that had all those Ferraris the last time. Yeah, that was two years ago. this was 5000, which just isn't necessarily a high cup of tea. thing. And like you said, you know, it rained one day, so that just totally... Yeah.
00:31:39
Torben Rothgeb
It just cancels the whole festivities because they're not going to drive in the rain.
Planning Model Shows and Building Projects
00:31:44
Torben Rothgeb
No, and then when we were walking there, after it was just like, Humidity was through the roof. for everything i am It was fun walking around. When we went two years ago, there were a lot of really great street cars there. A lot of Porsches. and When you park in the parking lot, you go, oh, look, there's a Lamborghini. Oh, there's this. that's what that's That's always interesting when you go to any of those events because you know you're going to see some of that stuff just out of the blue.
00:32:12
Torben Rothgeb
and it's It's a destination that you can appreciate. so true what And the parade they have downtown is really cool. Yeah, I like that. And we saw some truly, or really, you know, the non-race cars. Those are some great cars. Really cool. yeah um and so It's always a good mix.
00:32:30
Torben Rothgeb
but They had a great 68 Charger. I liked the, it was white with the white vinyl top, but then it had the orange Bumblebee stripe. That was a really nice, I mean, there's a bunch of nice looking cars.
00:32:43
Torben Rothgeb
And then they had a Shelby Mustang, And it was funny because they called it, we asked the guy what it meant, but it was holdovers, I think is what he said. but Oh, that's right, that guy. Basically. It was the Shelby?
00:32:56
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, the Shelby Mustang. um But it had a 1966 VIN because it was a holdover from 65. It was a 65, but it was a holdover in the 66. It was great. Really cool.
00:33:10
Torben Rothgeb
lot of really cool things. You know, street cars. I think I like the street cars a little better than the race cars. This year. Yeah, this year I did. ah There's more interesting cars, you know, and frequently there'll be these reproductions that are just not very interesting. But i came around the corner two years ago.
00:33:28
Torben Rothgeb
It was a Golf 917. Beautiful reproduction. I'm like, oh, my God, it's a Golf. know, the back end's open, and it's got a Porsche 914, little six-cylinder in the back. I'm like, oh.
00:33:40
Torben Rothgeb
Let's go home. I'm devastated. When the BW Club is there. That's really cool. It's all those cool old BW fans. You would love that. The bands they have. They're really great.
00:33:52
Torben Rothgeb
and stop So we're going to go to Detroit, huh? We got Detroit Rock City coming up. Part two yeah for you.
00:34:03
Torben Rothgeb
There's a quintet of men going. no there's more. There's a septet. There's seven of us going. Mm-hmm. Maybe more attitude. Roll a seven. and That's right.
00:34:15
Torben Rothgeb
So now I guess the spring one was judged. Yeah, it's a contest. So does that mean the – It's contest. This is an NNL. So the fall one is an NNL. but um So that will be a little different. So there's a theme. I don't know what the theme is, though.
00:34:29
Torben Rothgeb
if I haven't looked at the flyer that close. Okay. But it will be interesting. And I've said, you know, if you've gone to Toledo, at least the Toledo shows I went to, not the historic ah Toledo shows that you guys went to early and throughout the 80s.
00:34:48
Torben Rothgeb
Besides the Walmart. Yes. That's what they were. It very much reminded me of, I guess I would say it's a little bigger than the Toledo one, the last Toledo one one I went to.
00:35:00
Torben Rothgeb
Oh, this year at yeah Detroit? Detroit. So 300 tables? 300 tables. Right. Because that's what we'll have at this one again. Yeah. 300 tables. there's there's certainly places to spend your money. Oh, I know.
00:35:12
Torben Rothgeb
I was pretty good. um You know. It's a relative term. Yeah. yeah where What does that mean? mean Yeah, relatively good. Well, relatively, i think ah spending under $100 Well, when I called you, it was noon, and you'd only bought like one kit. Yeah.
00:35:31
Torben Rothgeb
And it was that Charger 500. Charger 500 for $15, I think. So you stuck to your guns, and you were true to your... It wasn't you had to park it back after some trip. No, no, that Nebraska trip was, yes.
00:35:45
Torben Rothgeb
Bob, Bob, pull around, park it back. ah it it Well, you know, it's rare, especially for somebody who focused on NASCAR stuff, that they hit you with a lot of stuff you don't have. But this particular one in Nebraska, he had like three resin petty cars for the 61, 62, and 63. I remember giving this stuff away. Giving it away. He'd be stupid not to buy this. Yes. The two yeah Ryan Newman Dodges that go for a lot, 2003, 2004 Dodges.
00:36:14
Torben Rothgeb
that I had to get. but But the good news is you have a plan for those. so I do. I do have a plan. Yes. it But no, ah so that's Detroit. And and the pizza is um is fantastic. The pizza place we went to.
00:36:32
Torben Rothgeb
um Actually, I felt guilty. I out-ate Chad, I think. but Chad and John shared a pizza. No, shot at Chad and John shared a pizza. And I had my own pizza.
00:36:44
Torben Rothgeb
And I started eating it, and I ah i thought I was going to have leftovers. I didn't have leftovers. Oh, my gosh. It's really good stuff. ah you know And I'm more of a Chicago ah pizza guy with a thick crust. So the Detroit stuff is phenomenal.
00:36:59
Torben Rothgeb
so Okay. I'm looking forward to it. Yep, yep. So that's Detroit. Sunday, I just realized I'm going to be going to the Iowa NASCAR race.
00:37:09
Torben Rothgeb
It'll be the first NASCAR race I've been to in a couple years. Oh, fine. It's funny, I was thinking about what I was going to bring. Where? I don't really have a current driver now. you know For years, I was a big Gordon fan. And that's good and bad, because you don't ever leave disappointed.
00:37:26
Torben Rothgeb
But I remember my first... My first Brickyard 400 race I went to, it was 1996, and I am just amped up. And they're starting around, and I'm getting goosebumps, right? Goosebumps.
00:37:41
Torben Rothgeb
No, I actually didn't drink this just teasing you. But ah then about – and Gordon's starting on pull. He won the inaugural one. And then Earnhardt won the 95 one, but Earnhardt was injured, so he he started it but then got out of college. Got out of the corner, right.
00:37:57
Torben Rothgeb
And so, but like lap three, I hear this roar and, and then sure enough, Gordon hit the fricking wall on lap three. And so then I'm like, what am Earnhardt's out of the race. Gordon hit the wall.
00:38:11
Torben Rothgeb
And so, um, what am I going to do? was kind of disappointing. So you know, in some ways not having a really favorite driver is, is, you know, it's more consistent that I'll be, you know, just able to enjoy whatever, unless...
00:38:26
Torben Rothgeb
I'm hoping Denny Hamlin doesn't win. That's just about the only thing that he kind of bugs me a little bit. Jim loves him as well. Hopefully SVG does well on Sunday.
00:38:38
Torben Rothgeb
Yes. He he won the um one of those legend races. Oh, did he? on an oval? No. it was it was a it was a road It was a so-called road car I mean, it was a converted okay it was just like ah roll char charlotte it was yeah It was just like the other day. In Indianapolis, they used to. And he beat... There was quite a few guys so they're sorry that were competing in it. And he you know he kicked ass. so By the way, that's a good segue to go to current projects, isn't it? Current projects. Yes, you guys have dipped your toes in the next-gen waters for the South Wingos. What are your thoughts as you begin...
00:39:22
Torben Rothgeb
a work i i have just opened the box that's all i've got other things going on but you haven't even gotten to use your ak marker okay that's fine he has the marker we can see it right here on the table no i i would say um yeah i mean there's i mean it's it's it's interesting you know because it's a salvinos kit i'm not in love with the instruction sheet um because it's that typical 3d printed kind of instructions it's not really that clear i'll just say that but you know it's got good bones i mean it's you know like you saw you saw that they'd fixed the roof rail or whatever on the yes 24 or 25 version i mean it's it's like i said when we talked the other day um
00:40:14
Torben Rothgeb
You get to this iteration of the Camaro and all the stuff's fixed. So now there's nothing you know nothing to do except build it. you know i I would say the only thing I would have liked to see was the dash yeah because it really isn't, I mean, even though it's not that hard to build.
00:40:32
Torben Rothgeb
It should still be in the kit, um in my opinion. No seatbelts, sorry. No seatbelts. um That's just kind of the way it is. I think there's a lot of kits like that, actually.
00:40:43
Torben Rothgeb
With Salvino's, there is. Yes. Almost everything Salvino's has taken one or two times. Trial and error, I think. they And the IndyCars have a beautiful seatbelt. Yes. Oh, no. The IndyCars, really, that there's nothing wrong with those kits as far as the detail and stuff. Right.
00:41:01
Torben Rothgeb
It's just the instructions thing again. But, you know, the decals, I just, you know, honestly, when you step into cartograph, it's just, it's another world.
00:41:13
Torben Rothgeb
it really is.
00:41:17
Torben Rothgeb
they You know, if you really, once you get used to it, it's It's a pleasure. What solvents are you using on them? I'm not using any solvents. Oh, my God. Yeah, you see why I complain about slicks decals so much. No, I mean, you know, igraph for me, it's like on anything that I build, if I'm using kit decals, I want to try and see if I can make it work without.
00:41:40
Torben Rothgeb
and And when I say no solvents, I'm still heating the water and I'm still test fitting the, you know, pieces before I actually put them in the water but um oh man it's just wow they're opaque um yeah and and and to Salvino's credit though I mean their instructions for decal placement is really good well you know and Clay Kemp is doing that yeah I mean Clay's a builder he's a phenomenal builder so you gotta have you got a little bit of um
00:42:18
Torben Rothgeb
I don't know, no fear in some of that stuff because you know that it's going to work. um I was a little concerned. I'll give you an example like the wheel well openings.
00:42:29
Torben Rothgeb
And I'm going, well, you know, if it's like, you know, some of these other aftermarket companies are going to basically have a lot of extra in the wheel well. Not on this thing. There wasn't.
00:42:40
Torben Rothgeb
Well, it it basically is right tight to the wheel well. And if there is any extra, You can get it sucked up with just the hot water. you know with your yeah I'm using like Q-tips and and tweezers and different things.
00:42:55
Torben Rothgeb
Okay. um Yeah, it's they give me enough extra decals too that you know i just, I don't know. I really can't complain about it
Wing Car Project and Historical Accuracy
00:43:05
Torben Rothgeb
at all.
00:43:05
Torben Rothgeb
Okay. So that is your thing. I see another thing, the wing wing car project. Yes, I have um trying to complete my first wing car kit, and I'm writing an article for the newsletter.
00:43:20
Torben Rothgeb
um But, you know, it's funny for a car that is so iconic that, unfortunately, they have not come out with all everything in the box ready to build a NASCAR one.
00:43:32
Torben Rothgeb
Now, the Revell one is really good for building the stock version. Street car. Yeah, street car, um you know. With the vinyl top, you mean? ah Well, the Superbird had a vinyl top. Right. um But the Daytona, um and and there's a reason that there's a difference. You know, you ask, well, how can they have it? It's good for stock, but not for the race immersion.
00:43:55
Torben Rothgeb
Well, most ah cars are certainly up to that era. You started with a stop vehicle, and then the race teams took it and then put it on the track. Well, this one went kind of backwards. The Daytona was created in the wind tunnel.
00:44:10
Torben Rothgeb
And then they kind of said, oh, we need to make 500 of these. And they actually ah sourced it out to a different company to convert these ah Charger RTs into Daytonas. And so the street version was very much different kind of from the stock car version that was just completely put together in the wind tunnel.
00:44:33
Torben Rothgeb
And then after the fact, yeah, go make 500 of these to sell to the public. Well, and like you say, i mean, if you if you compare Chrysler to Ford and Lincoln Mercury, they didn't really care how many real cars they actually produced. I mean, they had to produce enough to be you know to make it legal. Right. But that wasn't their end game.
00:44:56
Torben Rothgeb
And those cars kicked ass. I mean, that you know, that's why he won the championship in 69 and, so you know, yeah. i'll add so yeah And, uh, so anyway, uh, an MPC based their version, off the K and K car off of the stock car version.
00:45:14
Torben Rothgeb
And so, uh, to my eye at least, and the Halliday's eyes, ah it's the best, it it's the best, uh, for making a stock car. Whereas the Revell kit can build up in a stock Daytona really well.
00:45:28
Torben Rothgeb
Um, and then And then plus, you know, I don't know why, especially since it pro modeler kit and they had a price point of $25 when the price point for other kits were $10 in the mid-90s or late 90s when they came out with the kit.
00:45:43
Torben Rothgeb
But they really did not do very well on the stock car version. The tires are way too thin and shallow. Yeah, they weren't really that. It's not a full roll cage. Not a full roll cage. It was kind of half-baked. Even hood pins. They gave you two hood pins. They gave you hood pins for the front but not the back.
00:46:01
Torben Rothgeb
And they gave you a dad. A generic decal. They gave you a photo-etched grill insert, you know. That was nice. Which was nice. That was a plus. yeah But it didn't it did kind of didn't cancel out the other stuff, though. No. no no and Like you said, those tires...
00:46:16
Torben Rothgeb
Those tires are ludicrous. But you can get new tires. No, I know, but when you have the price point that he brought you shouldn't have to spend that much for that. I know. I know. ah so so With the Wing Car Project, I'm taking the old MPC body, um or you can do the resin. I got a couple of resin kits that I bought over the years, one from Steve Kohler, ah one of the Halliday's sold. you God bless his soul. other Another person that we've lost, unfortunately. It's it's turned into a real hard year.
00:46:48
Torben Rothgeb
um But then ah and then i also have it's You can build a stock car version from the street version that MPC put out in 1990, but it's a lot of work.
00:47:04
Torben Rothgeb
And so so I'm planning on doing ah a lot of different cars. We'll see. We have evidence on this podcast how many I finish. But and I want to try to do them in all different ways.
00:47:17
Torben Rothgeb
um So ah the most standard way for the real enthusiast is to take like a 68-69 Roadrunner AMT chassis and then um kind of put that with the MPC body over the top.
00:47:33
Torben Rothgeb
And so my next one is going to be that version. This particular version, i ah and it it came to me ah the night ah after the Detroit show.
00:47:46
Torben Rothgeb
ah me and john me and no Me and John's Weber sitting in our hotel room after the show, and he's kind of wondering what I'm doing over there, screwing around with all the stuff that I bought. Me and Bob often do this too, right? Yeah.
00:48:01
Torben Rothgeb
You get all the stuff that you bought, and you take it out like a 12-year-old on Christmas. John actually mentioned that to me from your Detroit show. it He thought you were building something in the back seat. Well, yeah I was working on some stuff. no yeah Anyway. mean, that's the funnest part about coming back from a show like that. Absolutely. i want to You want to see the hall on your face.
00:48:22
Torben Rothgeb
Oh, that you picked up. And it's like, oh, I didn't realize I bought two of those. Did I have another one? And he threw in a third one for $5. I'd be stupid not to buy this.
00:48:33
Torben Rothgeb
So, yeah. And speaking of the Detroit show, I bought the Charger 500. And then I bought a ah bag of old built-ups, and there's a couple Polar Light Talladega chassis in there.
00:48:45
Torben Rothgeb
So I'm sitting there, and I'm seeing just for my own entertainment if the Charger 500 body would fit over that, and it fit perfectly. Lo and behold. And the thing I loved is on the A-pillar, it's really hard to get the roll cage to go up along the A-pillar.
00:49:02
Torben Rothgeb
And for this pretty one, it would fit perfectly. Fantastic. you know Now, granted, people will kill me on the underside. They'll be like, but I replaced the kit fuel tank with the Polar Lights Charger fuel tank.
00:49:16
Torben Rothgeb
And ah you know to the naked eye, it looks like a... Polar Lights Charger? Yes, this is the fuel tank. No, I lights chargeging no i know. But it's the Polar Lights Talladega chassis. Okay, but the fuel tank is the, whatever you want to call it.
00:49:34
Torben Rothgeb
yeah From the Charger. Yeah, the Charger, though, was was that, whatever you want call them, Aphrodite or whatever. It was. The Polar Lights one? Yes. It was kind of a funny-looking Charger.
00:49:45
Torben Rothgeb
Yes. No, the body was. But I just used a fuel tank here. Okay. Because the kit fuel tank for the Talladega is different from Mopar. So I did that. Oh, good. Granted, the Ford was a 9-inch quick-change rear end.
00:49:59
Torben Rothgeb
Looks pretty close to the Dodge 8 and three four rear end that they use for NASCAR. Now, one of the problems with the Roadrunner chassis, it comes with a Dana rear end. So I've seen some people do buildups on different websites and they use a Dana rear end. Well, that's not accurate.
00:50:15
Torben Rothgeb
This, even though it's technically a Ford, looks closer to what they were running, you know. And to the naked eye, this looks period correct. It looks period correct. For what either what it is. um So I'm doing a couple versions of that. And then, you know, probably by the end, if I do get to five or six of these Daytonas. So when is the end?
00:50:37
Torben Rothgeb
Five or six. Somewhere in my lifetime before. I thought you were going to have, like, a bunch of them done this year. thought you were going to have an IndyCar done. Oh! happen yes but miracles do happen once in a while you know you know uh i don't know i don't want to put a time uh it's it's glacial um but it's glacial i like that but uh i have the decals uh for the buddy baker 88 car the buddy baker number six car um the 99 uh purple uh charlie klotz back scarf
00:51:12
Torben Rothgeb
I have two Freddy Lorenzo ones. The number three car is really cool, even though he didn't run it much. The garbage bag car? No, that's the other one. I have decals for that. But no, this is a Kmart ah number three. and yeah Who was the car owner for number three?
00:51:26
Torben Rothgeb
Ray Fox. Yeah, Ray Fox. And then they also do have the garbage Piper trash can one. Piper trash It's kind of the reverse of the Bobby Allison one. I think it has a red top and gold sides. That would look great. All those would look fabulous. yeah know ah so the I even have in one that I like the most is James Hilton. had a 48, and it's yellow with a black wing.
00:51:51
Torben Rothgeb
um So hopefully... um Who knows how many of those. By the time I get to some of them on the back half, I'll probably use maybe the stock chassis that came with all the Dukes of Hazzard chargers. You'll be doing all curbside at that point. Or the MPC the npc chassis also ah cool is not accurate.
00:52:09
Torben Rothgeb
But so that is the Wind Car Project. um You know, ah it sounds great, man. Great looking cars. I wish they would have something all in the box that you could build up.
00:52:23
Torben Rothgeb
Everybody wishes for that. Yes. Yeah. Well, and that was in our plan with with Polar Lights, you know. Those are great kids. That is too bad. That hurts my heart hearing that. um great Yeah. Well, and that was always our goal was to get that stuff made.
00:52:38
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. Mm yeah And nothing lasts forever, as you know. I mean, I built two of those cars, and they were a blast to build. I mean, I made them curbside. But it was like they were just – Which one did you talk about? did the Pearson car. The Talmud. Oh, yeah. Well, there's plenty complainers, though.
00:52:52
Torben Rothgeb
Well, of course there is. But i mean, you know what? The car looks really nice. Would you rather not have it at all? Right. That's the thing. I mean, that's what you're talking about. Right. I know. Yes. So thank you. Thanks again, Jim, for that. but right And in the article, I also mentioned one of the most popular things on the Randy Ayers board was the guy, and and I took the wind car project from his name.
00:53:13
Torben Rothgeb
um And people were really into it. But unfortunately, he got 20% done on his wind car project because he was building it all completely detailed from the ground. Who's that? uh the who whichever guy was doing the article and guess what he died with 20 of the car oh my god and then another one i bought at milwaukee was a mike dowd project that he had started and he'd done all the body work to put the nose cone on the 1990 version which takes a lot because they give you this nose cone that goes on charge of 500 so he'd done a lot of work there but he didn't even have the wing or this on but and then he had
00:53:50
Torben Rothgeb
the interior boot that comes with the original K&K car. And then he had a chassis piece from the 68 Roadrunner. Again, bless his soul, he passed away. You are now in the lineage of these men that you need to move forward. At some point, you've got to land the plane.
00:54:07
Torben Rothgeb
There we go. This is only the second time. if we're taking, if we're taking you know again, like I said, ah the the Talladega thing, I'm going to get creamed for this.
00:54:17
Torben Rothgeb
But you know another thing I think of, People keep telling me the best way to do the Javelin Trans Am car is to put a, what is it, 68 Mustang chassis under it? 67. 67, the 67 AMT chassis. The new one.
00:54:32
Torben Rothgeb
Okay. If you can put a Ford chassis under an AMC thing, and that's considered the best way to do that. It's a model. Using the Talladega chassis for a Daytona. How is that different?
00:54:43
Torben Rothgeb
Explain that to me, Jim.
Customization Challenges and Racing History
00:54:44
Torben Rothgeb
You're a Mopar aficionado. It's not different. No, I mean, the the Mustang thing is, i mean, it's not just, um I mean, that kit can be used for several different kit bash.
00:54:55
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. I mean, a lot of it has to do with the wheelbase, the width of the actual car. It's an intermediate body. It's not a full-size car. You know, the AMC thing, those were all pretty much the same.
00:55:09
Torben Rothgeb
platform or whatever in in the day so you know you're going to use the mustang it doesn't matter really doesn't no and i would also argue that this is much closer than anybody doing a salvino's 71 charger yeah or anybody doing an mpc uh chassis you know But I'm sure I will get raked over the coals. worry. It looks fabulous. It looks really good to us. It looks period correct. It looks good.
00:55:37
Torben Rothgeb
I think the best way, because you know when we talk about ah the Neils of the world, the Camerons of the world who build one thing every five years, you know you take a picture, you get as close to the picture as you can.
00:55:50
Torben Rothgeb
That's how you can it. You weren't there. You don't know. That's right. All right, moving on. So that is the one car project. So I have, since I get to skip my projects. thank you, Bob. So I have just two. I'm working on the Ferrari 512 and s and m so Not S and but I mean, yeah. Oh, yeah. So you got a gag and some leather spikes when you're working this. Please don't elaborate. No, so the S was the car that ran in 1970. You're not done yet, Bob. Another whip.
00:56:18
Torben Rothgeb
Oh, thank you. Thank you, Bob. I look at that. And the M is the car that ran in 71. Of course. So I'm working on the Heller yeah which is awful.
00:56:29
Torben Rothgeb
And luckily Steve Hansen is building, it's our stall projects. So Steve got one and he basically shows how to cut, you gotta cut the hell or body up into pieces to put it together and paint it like a real model.
00:56:42
Torben Rothgeb
And so I've been doing that and it's very frustrating. And i called Cameron today. we that is an o And I said, I need some wheels. I need some wheels because ah Steve printed out a whole bunch of 3D parts for the car. Don't get Cameron started on 3D. I think that lasted 100 miles. I know. That should be talking about.
00:57:12
Torben Rothgeb
How about dehydrators? Yeah. one of the greatest how-tos of all time. All time. Anyway, so now you made me lose my interest. That's okay. Ferrari 512. Hanson is building me one, and he printed a bunch of parts up for me.
00:57:28
Torben Rothgeb
The problem is is that you've got to mix and match. I'm not a big kit basher, so it's like I've been trying to kit bash all the shop. These things together. You're a good assembler.
00:57:39
Torben Rothgeb
That's right. With a Ferrari 512M of a fish Fisher kit. which is curbside and it goes together like a dream. So that one I've got paid. That's probably $300. Well, I got a deal from Toby.
00:57:51
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. And then the Heller kit. Half of it's done. Yeah, yeah I know. And the Heller kit is just awful to build. you know But it's it's an interesting experiment in terror because it's very different than how i normally build. So ah anyway, that's what I'm working on.
00:58:06
Torben Rothgeb
It does have help to have Steve help. Oh, he's helped a lot. And he has a great attitude about it. He goes, I got it close. This is how it is. you know He says, so oh that's great, Steve. Thank you.
00:58:18
Torben Rothgeb
So that's me for that. We've got going next. All right. Well, Jim is getting ready to go to Brainerd. Tell us some highlights. why Why should a person go to Brainerd? What does that offer for the racing fans?
00:58:34
Torben Rothgeb
um Well, you guys have been there before. I've never have been. i've been I've been there twice. Well, I mean, to have something like that in your backyard, I think, is a gift. as a gift I mean, you don't have to go every year, but it's ah it's an institution.
00:58:48
Torben Rothgeb
um It's a lot of fun. You're in the Northwoods and all that stuff, but no, it's it's as big as it gets when you're talking about professional racing. and It's the only you know form of racing where you can actually go up and talk to the drivers, look at the cars.
00:59:07
Torben Rothgeb
you here Right it next them. Right up next to them. Yep. You get, you get the nitro right in the face. face And unless you experienced that in your lifetime, you don't know. You can't even imagine. You can't even, it doesn't have a, you know, there's no control over it. You know, it's, it's, um you know, they're, they're great. They're breaking speed records right now on top fuel and funny car. They're,
00:59:33
Torben Rothgeb
speeds that I never thought I would ever see. i'm a little concerned about it, but. Now, are you going to get a chance to talk to like Brittany Forth? Maybe, you never know. Probably get a, probably get a selfie or something like that, but oh no we'll see.
00:59:47
Torben Rothgeb
But yeah, no, it's, it's a, it's a good, it's a lot of fun. And there's, there's, you know, there's sportsman cars. So you get to, you get the 68, you know, charger, the, you know, whatever.
00:59:59
Torben Rothgeb
You race in the sportsman classes. And there, there's some really nice cars that, Now, a sportsman car, is that more like an old money car, or is that more like a pro stock? No, it's like ah it's like a, let's just say a 69 big block Camaro that's running in super stock.
01:00:17
Torben Rothgeb
and Okay. So the car is still an original 69 or whatever Camaro. It looks like a Camaro. And it's a legitimate race car. Okay. Worth a lot of money.
01:00:27
Torben Rothgeb
lot of guys, all they race is stick shifts, so there's a lot of four speeds, five speeds, whatever. um it's It's still like going back in time. They're still basically the same cars that you saw when you were growing up.
01:00:42
Torben Rothgeb
You can't really see that anywhere else. um And they're actually, you know, putting a lot of, making a lot of horsepower and that kind of thing. So it's it's a lot of fun. Cool.
01:00:54
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. Now, um as a ah race, a drag racing historian, what would you say is like the top two, three ah historical moments of Brainerd?
01:01:06
Torben Rothgeb
If you looked over the years, what year did they start racing there? ah Well, the the track was built in 68 as a, as a multi-purpose.
01:01:18
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. Multi-purpose facility. um The drag strip was finished first, so that was actually the first time they opened when they opened the track. That was the first sanctioning body that they actually had cars racing.
01:01:32
Torben Rothgeb
And I was actually there in 68. My father and my grandfather took me to the track when they were building it. So yeah, it was it was ah it was a great time. And that track has stood the test of time for, you know, was it 50-some years now?
01:01:51
Torben Rothgeb
Now, was was connected to Donnybrook was the original name of the track. Because they raced Trans Am on there. They raced everything. They raced Can-Am cars on there. Formula 5,000, all those cars. I've been lucky enough to see a lot of really big names in all facets of motor racing.
01:02:12
Torben Rothgeb
I mentioned David Hobbs. I got his hit ah autograph. Yeah. it's just you know it's like i said it's a moment in time and you get to see these guys in their moment or whatever and they're just and every every personality is different here so like let's just say for example somebody wins the race whether it's uh joe amato or uh you get a personality type that some them are just completely off the wall and they get into the you know
01:02:44
Torben Rothgeb
interview room and they do their press conferences. though It's fantastic stuff. Cool. Like I said, I've gotten to see some really big names. You know, I spent time with Carlits and, you know, those are times you just, you know.
01:03:00
Torben Rothgeb
Didn't you take a picture of Tommy Lee and Pam? I didn't take one for me. i had to take it for somebody that worked for Pennzoil was his son okay that came out of the tower and said, Jim, you have to take this picture for me. and I said, what are talking about? He's like, well, that's Tommy Lee and, no, it was Heather Locklear. Heather Locklear. Okay. That was when he was, when they were and item. I don't know that they ever got married, but yeah, no, it's, there's, you know, there's people everywhere, you know, that's what they, what they like.
01:03:33
Torben Rothgeb
But yeah, no, it's, it's, it's a great place to go. i mean, there's, cool you know it's expensive i can tell you that okay um but um speaking of items i think pamela uh lee isn't she dating now that she did a movie with liam neeson yeah they've kind of hit it off yeah that uh i saw a picture of them at some awards thing and she they almost you know kissed each other right on the It's like, really?
01:04:01
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. Really? Yeah. Okay. You know, strange, strange bedfellows. Well, she's totally different now. She's got her implants out and much more natural. than Doesn't use all the makeup. I mean, she was in a movie that was well-received film snobs. Yes. She was, actually.
01:04:20
Torben Rothgeb
But she plays a Vegas dancer. was getting replaced. Oh, okay. So you've obviously seen it then. I have not seen it because I have no interest in it. But, I mean, it was just, it was it was it was but given, you know, I mean, she's been going to go to
Model Display Themes and Building Tips
01:04:34
Torben Rothgeb
Cannes and win, you know, the Palme d'Or. But, I mean, it's just, you know. Well, on the eve of, um you know, Hulk Hogan's death, a movie that reminds me of The Wrestler, which was a really good great faulous movie. It's great movie. Of course, it has a great song by.
01:04:47
Torben Rothgeb
it's it's a great movie. Yes. By Bruce. Yeah. Very underrated. yeah And I liked how they were parallels because so the one girl is a dancer and he's, you know, and they're both would be considered kind of washed up on the back end of their careers.
01:05:02
Torben Rothgeb
But no. ah but And speaking of movies, I know you said for next year's Back to the 50s, you guys already have that planned out. We do. But yeah, you had Who's the Guy Who Does the Backgrounds?
01:05:18
Torben Rothgeb
John Robinette. Robinette, great name, John Robinette. Yes. ah But for the year after that, you know, because we've talked about movie cars and something that people connect with. And, you know, just over there, my daughter has been working on.
01:05:36
Torben Rothgeb
And again, um you know, thanks to our fellow club member, Randy. at MCCM for selling me the 67 Charger. ah But she loves that show Supernatural.
01:05:50
Torben Rothgeb
So she's been her summer project has been working on the Supernatural 67 Impala. Oh, okay. But just thinking that for the casual, not the fanatic car fans like we are, or even the fanatic model builders that we are, but the casual person connects with movie cars. Oh, very much so.
01:06:10
Torben Rothgeb
And TV cars too. So your question is that moving cars could work for back to the fifty s Yes. If we could do a display for not next year but the year after that. If it fit into the 50s slash 60s era, yes.
01:06:26
Torben Rothgeb
Don't you think people just coming yeah I mean, we did our NASCAR display and we had cars that weren't from the It's true. We had lot of cars from the 70s. it's true. We had NASCAR display. Yeah. We've stuck racing in 60s. We stuck it. We had the 32 and 44s. We had...
01:06:41
Torben Rothgeb
thirty two and forty fours we had I mean, I guess you could just talk to Gary and see if he thinks that's cool. I mean, just to do a TV movie thing. I mean, I think that could be the kind of thing for especially the tag-along people, people who are going with their boyfriends or husbands yeah that are really into cars. That would be something that would stick out for them. Like, oh, wow, I got to, you know, I thought it was really cool you you would have to see. You would have to get Bob involved.
01:07:07
Torben Rothgeb
That is holiday. Because he's in he's knee deep in into that production. Yes. And the other thing you have to know is that it's probably not going to be Gary in a couple of years that's running that thing. So right he's going to pass. my he's gonna No, no.
01:07:24
Torben Rothgeb
He's going to be passing the baton off to a couple that's been helping for several years. okay and you know gary's an old spring chicken and he like all of us well not you but i mean some of us anyway but no i i think that you know anything's open to to suggestion i mean torben said is great is that it it opens up to the casual person or the like i like the word tag along it's great one the tag a along thing of Just something like, honey, look, that's there's the car from... The Ecto-1 from Ghostbusters. There's the Back to the Future. could bring yours.
01:07:58
Torben Rothgeb
The Trans Am. And the Back to the Future. Please don't. Wow. And the Back to the Future car. I would rather see the Tombstone. Wow. And then the... He's ripping you. Red Baron.
01:08:12
Torben Rothgeb
Tombstone, Red Baron. What's the difference? You know, and just those those kinds of cars that are iconic that stick in there. Because no one's going to go like, oh, there's Graham Hill's 1966 Lola that he won the 500 in. you know i'm a boy That's really cool. Well, who else is going to know that? No one.
01:08:30
Torben Rothgeb
No one. so But, I mean, if you get something like that. Maybe Cameron. who Oh, you would. Oh. and Anyway. i think it's a great idea. We'll have to see.
01:08:40
Torben Rothgeb
so So you think that she'll have that done for next year? Who? Your daughter. oh she's almost done now. She's got to. Oh, yeah. Good. Good. All right. So new releases that we're up to New releases. So the Salvino's report.
01:08:58
Torben Rothgeb
We got you know the the Budweiser one that they did a year ago. This time it has the flat nose option that Daryl Waltrip raced with at Nashville that year.
01:09:10
Torben Rothgeb
The rest of it is the same stuff that was there from a year ago. ah So it built both 84 versions of the Budweiser Neil Bonnet. Darryl Waltrip.
01:09:21
Torben Rothgeb
ah But then the following month, they're doing the Marty Robbins Charger, very vibrant purple and fluorescent yellow. So looking forward to that.
01:09:33
Torben Rothgeb
They also have a whiskey bush Kyle Busch car. um The only thing cool, well, I shouldn't say the only thing. There might be plenty of Kyle Busch fans out there.
01:09:44
Torben Rothgeb
um But the it's wood grain. The hood of the car, I think maybe even the roof, is wood grain. So Rick has talked about how cool these decals look. It doesn't show up on the box. For which kid now? Whitey Robbins?
01:09:57
Torben Rothgeb
No, this is Kyle Busch. The wood, wo I don't know the name of it. It's a whiskey, but it's got it's a black car, but the hood and maybe the roof. Kind of like the barrels that the whiskey's been in. So that looks kind of cool. Cool.
01:10:13
Torben Rothgeb
Those are the next thing for Sabino. Fingers crossed. Hopefully they will get a Jimmy Clark car out some point. Apparently they put the metal, some kind of metal parts to somebody. It's not Lucas-y. Don't blame Lucas-y. Turned aluminum parts.
01:10:29
Torben Rothgeb
Yes. okay Okay. It's up there with 3D printed parts. Now, actually, that would be easier to do because these these will all have to be made by hand.
01:10:40
Torben Rothgeb
Mm-hmm. You know, with a lathe. This thing's going to be... yeah that's going to add like another $100. We'll see what the price point on that is. Well, it's not out yet. So, I mean, that that says a lot.
01:10:50
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. so Alright, then we have ah the AK markers, Bob was alluding to. I have to say, I got the rubber black, and one of the things, if you build a lot of NASCARs, the 90s had the windows that had the black. you know Later on, by the end of the 90s, the kits came already pre-painted with the black window stuff.
01:11:13
Torben Rothgeb
The Zalbino's one, you use decals. But for the 90s, you had to find a way to paint the black around the windows. And they had a lip on the inside of it. And ah what I would do ah previously would be the Sharpie, the Sharpie Industrial one.
01:11:29
Torben Rothgeb
um And it was pretty good. But the thing I didn't like about that is if you wanted to put a second coat on, ah somehow the chemistry of the marker would take it back off. So you couldn't do two coats.
01:11:42
Torben Rothgeb
But with the AK marker, the really cool thing is the first time around, if it doesn't cover really good, then you can go back over it and it doesn't take off. It just adds to it.
01:11:54
Torben Rothgeb
um So I really like the AK markers. Plus, you know, when you're building and ah you're gluing and some of the paint comes off, ah you have to go back and touch up the paint all over the place on on the kit.
01:12:08
Torben Rothgeb
it's so quick to just take the marker and just dab a little spot here there rather than ah putting, dipping your brush in the paint, then cleaning the brush. That's at least a five-minute project.
01:12:21
Torben Rothgeb
So I would recommend, and they're only like $3. So if you get a silver and a black one, that covers a lot. maleular I have a stupid question because i haven't tried it yet. so So when you actually go inside the,
01:12:34
Torben Rothgeb
whatever you want to call it, the interior of the window. Yes. Do you mask off that area? So it's a straight line or how do you get a straight line? was doing a starter kit and I did mask off the starter kit because there wasn't a line.
01:12:49
Torben Rothgeb
right But if you've done like the 90s Lumina, the 90s Monte Carlo, the Forbes, they have a lip. Okay. So for that particular one, I didn't mask it off.
01:13:00
Torben Rothgeb
yeah I just used it along the edge. And then nice thing with being acrylic, then I think if you take a little acrylic thinner and one of those really nice, not the regular Q-tips, but like the Tamaya flat Q-tips.
01:13:14
Torben Rothgeb
ah Yeah, I just, you know, was able to take Clean it up. That's perfect. So those work really well. So that I would highly recommend the AK markers.
01:13:26
Torben Rothgeb
What do you think, Mobius kits? Other kits we did. um Mobius dropped a bunch of stuff this this month with the all the Galaxy kits. ah Have none of us built a Galaxy kit? to None of us. Three sitting here and everyone. Bob seems like the most likely to have built one. Yeah.
01:13:42
Torben Rothgeb
But we didn't. i know I have one of each. but Yeah, I have one and haven't built And like I told you the other day, that you know the next thing they're going to be doing are all those trailers, which...
01:13:53
Torben Rothgeb
Galaxy never reissued, and those will be well received. They'll sell a lot of those. so But, yeah, no, there's there's a pile of Mobius stuff that came out, the ramp truck, you know the other Comet, 65 Comet, the BFX version.
01:14:14
Torben Rothgeb
And why don't you explain the BFX difference for our fans who aren't nearly as educated on drag stuff? The AFX 65 Comet was a 427 single overhead cam engine. it wasn't You didn couldn't get it from the factory. It was a race only thing.
01:14:32
Torben Rothgeb
And then there was and a smaller like junior version of the same car with a small block Ford in it, basically 289.
01:14:44
Torben Rothgeb
That's a BFX. So it competed in a ah lower class classification of a drag car. And those cars, they only made, it's an ungodly loan number. It's like maybe 20, something to that effect.
01:14:58
Torben Rothgeb
So there's cars that are restored now that are worth a boatload of money. And and it's a, Bonafide kit, they actually sent me a test shot when they did the original 65 Comet AFX version. They wanted me to look at the BFX version. in It builds up really nice. I mean, there's stuff.
01:15:16
Torben Rothgeb
falls together. It's almost, I wouldn't say Tamiya-like, but it's it's it's pretty um it's pretty close. Yeah, we both built a 60-minute car. As long as you know which version which direction to put the glass in. Yes, yes. You know, which is which can be a ah little bit of pickle. problematic, but if the kit fell right together. and the And the stock cars, some people have built Hornets, but some haven't.
01:15:37
Torben Rothgeb
We've all built the Chrysler 300, and that goes right together. Some of us are, you know, they're not building the, you know, you know The outlawed version. That's true. I did. I did. I was foolish. The Confederate flag on the top. Frank Mundy. Good Lord. And I did the 61 Pontiac.
01:15:56
Torben Rothgeb
You did the Pontiac. That's right. yeah That went together real good. um And boy, you just wish ah you know some of these other mild car companies would have done what Mobius did. They would have done what Mobius did yeah as far as like with the Ford truck and doing all the versions of the Ford truck.
Car Model Kit History and Future
01:16:14
Torben Rothgeb
right like The Chevy, they updated to the 72 and they never went back for MVC or AMT, round two, whatever it was. um But if they would have gone back and done the 67, 68 and then the Because 60 to 66 is covered pretty well by Revell.
01:16:32
Torben Rothgeb
AMT did 64, 5, 6, right? well no amt did the early one the sixty and then rebelled all to sixty four sixty five oh the the reason them allbi is that the Ford is because the the chassis is basically the same. It's like almost universal. Okay. You might have to change the wheelbase and things like that. There's engine, obviously engine changes, but the basic guts are very similar.
01:17:01
Torben Rothgeb
Whereas the Chevy, they're every year is completely different. Oh, I didn't know that. But there, but Mobius is planning to bring a bunch of those Chevy pickups out and it's the same. Oh yeah. No, I know.
01:17:13
Torben Rothgeb
But it's it's just one of those things. They're small potatoes, so they don't have the budget. They have licensing that's really expensive. you know you know Salvino's is running into that with their stuff it's really you You really hope that they sell because if they don't, you know they're going to be stuck.
01:17:33
Torben Rothgeb
Well, you know it's tough. So, you know, to do all those Fords, you know, doing a record, those records are blown off the shelves. And you pick up that box and it is big. You know, and if you can display it with the record on the side and not actually put it on the truck, then you really got something.
01:17:51
Torben Rothgeb
And we've talked about the Dukes of Hazzard wreckers in the past. Oh, yeah. We did the whole history of them. Yes. Yep. We'll have to revisit that someday. Well, yeah. yeah Absolutely. Well, yeah. No, I think, so you know, when you see like what we saw the other day with all those kits out, it kind of reminds you of the old days when you used to go to the store, you know.
01:18:14
Torben Rothgeb
Mid 90s and they're coming out with stuff. how yeah Builders left and right. well maybe it's really done great stuff and they but great subjects they did hu some And I wish, yeah you know, like even talking about the sixty seven impellaella you know It's too bad AMT didn't go up to 68 and 69. Well, like I said, I still think that that could happen.
01:18:33
Torben Rothgeb
That would be nice. Or even we've we've talked about Revell Monogram. They had all those muscle car ones. Why couldn't they have done a Trans Am version of the 70 Mustang, the 70 Camaro?
01:18:46
Torben Rothgeb
ah seventy camaro I mean, I guess the Camaro was a great team. But, yeah, it's too bad they couldn't put a generic ah roll cage in. They had the engines, the Challengers, and the Kudas.
01:19:00
Torben Rothgeb
ah well But yeah we're thankful that Mobius gets so much out of their molds. yeah You know, because you're paying that much money for the molds. You might as well make them so you can do lot of different versions. That's their logic because they make the molds interchangeable so you can swap out a grill or, you know. Mm-hmm.
01:19:16
Torben Rothgeb
Because they're doing the Novas now, you know the 63 to 65 Novas, and those are selling really well. so Good. It's a good thing. All right. It's just the infamous switch. Going back to those Galaxies, ah being a big Indy pace car fan, if they ever did the Galaxy or the Chevy that was an Indy pace car, that would be great.
01:19:39
Torben Rothgeb
It's a convertible, I think, 46 Chevy Indy Pace car. Really? Yeah. Oh, wow. I didn't know that. If they were to do that, that would be really cool. I think they could. Yeah. Because they did actually they did actually have it available. I actually bought one when it came out, but they did have a convertible.
01:19:56
Torben Rothgeb
ah a resin galaxy they were selling a resin convertible yeah i ended up selling it to dennis and he built the thing oh nice it was really nice so you know yeah you have to have the kit you have to have the galaxy 46 chevy chassis but you swap out the interior and that kind of thing so it's it's definitely doable cool yeah all right moving on our question of the month uh because i you know in the summer i kind of uh like uh what is it a rudderless boat maybe i kind of with adhd i go on so many different projects um you know good examples i' was cleaning out the garage i came across this harry gantt uh car so that's the way it was in the garage
01:20:42
Torben Rothgeb
No. Well, the white had yellowed, so I decided to paint the redo the white, and then I decided to redo the green. um And I must say, ah as much as God's tears really work with acrylics and lacquers, boy, do they just are a game changer for the enamels. It works great. Because those true match colors, are the true match skull green, ah man, that just flowed. Like i don't even you know like's spot my like butter. like butter
01:21:13
Torben Rothgeb
ah Whereas I was so crappy clogging up my airbrush and whatever else before that. But so, and it got me to think, i probably have but nine different projects. So that's a true match there?
01:21:25
Torben Rothgeb
Yes, a true match in the bottle, Airbrush bottles. nice. Looks great. Yes, makes me want to back to Model Empire and buy all the true match stuff on the shelf. Let's go. Yes. So you probably still have it, right? Oh, Dane. Dane will make a road trip for you.
01:21:39
Torben Rothgeb
But so I probably have 10 different projects. maybe even more if I count these little starter ones and stuff like that. and So my question for you guys is what's the most, uh, projects you worked on at the same time?
01:21:52
Torben Rothgeb
Three. You're usually consistently on a three ring circus. How about you? Uh, I usually work on just one thing at a time. I mean, I might, I might go
Managing Projects and Modeling Techniques
01:22:03
Torben Rothgeb
back and paint something and cause I'm going to let the paint dry. Yeah. Uh, one of the things I actually started and I start to get back on it It's kind of like,
01:22:12
Torben Rothgeb
I compare it to your wing car thing. and think But when Mobius brought out the 65 Plymouth, there's a ton of factory race cars from 65. I mean, like from Chrysler. these were These were, you know, um not just the alter wheelbase cars, but the and a nine ninety cars.
01:22:36
Torben Rothgeb
And I actually started like a... Because I was actually thinking about... Matt McNally, because this is what he does. Yes. The Andy Warhol of model building. He'll do all seven versions. Come again? Yeah, well. Yes, well, like he would do like all the different, like Campbell's soups, cans, but different altercations. well so so i'm really good So going back to what im where I was going with it was that,
01:22:59
Torben Rothgeb
All the cars came as a body in white. So you could get them from the factory and all these guys, you know, brought them home, flat towed them or whatever to get them home.
01:23:10
Torben Rothgeb
And then they started customizing them, you know, different paint jobs, blah, blah, blah. So I started like an assembly line. So I did like six chassis, you know, paints because they're all white. The frame is black, you know, so on and so on. And, you know, it's back in a box now because it's like, I got to get this other shit done.
01:23:30
Torben Rothgeb
Excuse my French. No, that's really a good idea. I mean, Greg Wilson did that too. Was he wearing his glasses at the time, his sunglasses? I don't think he ever takes them off. But anyway, um no, I mean, you can i mean that's like I said, Matt McDowell was great in that.
01:23:47
Torben Rothgeb
um He would do that kind of a thing, and there's no reason why you can't. no like ah I'm just saying, I mean, obviously, Salvinos might be a little bit challenging itself to try to get them all done, but you're building let's just say you're going to build them curbside.
01:23:59
Torben Rothgeb
yeah You're not going to put the engines on. Well, I know Drew Herewater was doing it with those modifieds. yeah I haven't seen him on Facebook, but he was getting like one of those done in like three or four days. My gosh. Because...
01:24:14
Torben Rothgeb
you know They were all the same or very similar, so you do them you know the sub-assemblies, clean up the parts. you know It's like we talked about you going, I don't know was it i don't my if it was you, but there's I know there's several people that... like go on a vacation, let's say, and you got a lot of free time.
01:24:33
Torben Rothgeb
You're at the lake. It's raining every freaking day. When I was a kid, I'd bring like one of those 1 16th kits along yeah and I'd clean up parts. Yeah, absolutely. it was a blast because it's like, yeah, I mean, it's great because, you know, put stuff in bags and mark the box up and stuff. It's like, God, I got all this stuff done. All I got to do is finish the model, yeah which is the hard part.
01:24:55
Torben Rothgeb
Mm-hmm. So, yeah, no, there's there's different ways to skin a cat, you know, but um as far as the most projects, probably in the heyday of Toledo and that kind of thing, i probably had a bunch of stuff going because, you know, when you come back from a show like that... You're all a quiver.
01:25:14
Torben Rothgeb
You don't have a slump or... Yeah. I mean, where you can't think of what... I mean, it's like you got a million ideas of stuff. It's like... why didn't I think of that? You know? So anyway, and you were single at the time, so you could have the whole living room.
01:25:31
Torben Rothgeb
And I did. and but Yeah. yeah You know, you still, you still have, you know, your stuff, so you got to do your chores or whatever, but no, it's, you know, that's what makes modeling.
01:25:43
Torben Rothgeb
that much more enjoyable in my opinion. Yeah. That's one of my favorite things about the summer too, because, um, there's not really any shows. No. If it's a year that the nationals aren't close or anything like that. You get lawn mowed and you get your housework done. It's like, let's go crack some cellophane. And there's not that, you know, the club projects are usually due at the end of the year.
01:26:05
Torben Rothgeb
ah so you can just, you know and I do that. I just build whatever one day. And like, One day I was working on you know my Bobby Allison Daytona you know for seven you know six or seven hours.
01:26:18
Torben Rothgeb
So the next day I'm like, I don't want to look at that damn thing. I'm going to work on this and this and that. so but Yeah, no, ah I do just like building, working on whatever.
01:26:31
Torben Rothgeb
And I even have a sign on my thing. always like quotes, but it's life's about the journey, not the destination. right just right Hope is not a strategy.
01:26:42
Torben Rothgeb
Yes, hope is not a strategy, which reminds me, I'm sure Scott Gladstein is only a couple of days away from looking for the president's address. right so that i kind of I kind of chickened out this month. I let him do that.
01:26:55
Torben Rothgeb
on the table. Okay. Because he was there and I wasn't, i wasn't there. So I mean, you well, yeah, I mean, and, and typical Scott style though, for the on the table, the last time that he did it was two years ago when I went to Elkhart Lake and he made up these, um,
01:27:16
Torben Rothgeb
Sheets. Sheets for people to fill out for the actual models that they brought. you know and like For example, there was only 14 people there, so Blue Boy wasn't there.
01:27:28
Torben Rothgeb
and But you know Andy was there, so he had a bunch. And I don't know if he actually wrote the stuff down because Scott doesn't make anybody do that. So I don't know. We'll find out. We'll see what happens. But like I said, you know it's Scott is great about and He's phenomenal.
01:27:45
Torben Rothgeb
About just coming up with those ideas and then just doing it. And then all of a sudden it's like, here, I got a stack of them here. Take your pick. Scott's a great one for, for as some people we know, everything stays up here.
01:27:56
Torben Rothgeb
It doesn't transfer into your hands. You know, i mean, it's like if you can you could think and about golf all you want and say, what club would I choose for that fifth green, if fifth hole or whatever.
01:28:07
Torben Rothgeb
But no, you you got to actually do it. you I had long discussions with people about that, but I mean, now you just got to do it. Anybody I know. I know. You just got to do it. and For a third time, you got to land the plane. You got to land the plane.
01:28:20
Torben Rothgeb
You know? All right, we got it we're winding it down here. Bob's in a hurry, apparently. I'm sure our listeners don't want this podcast to ever end. it's you know so awesome. Never-ending podcast. Let me see here.
01:28:34
Torben Rothgeb
Question six. ah Well, no, we got a a few other questions. Is there anything that you do that you think you feel like you're the only one that does it? And I'll give you some examples. Like I'll use these bottle caps and I'll put the paint in the bottle cap.
01:28:50
Torben Rothgeb
Oh. Or if I'm mixing up another thing that I, not this water cap. So yeah, water caps. Now I wouldn't want to use this, um but especially with the Balejo paint that you for out.
01:29:03
Torben Rothgeb
Uh, uh, another thing that I do is I feel like, um, especially with future not being on the market, but I still have a surplus of future. So I still use it for a lot of different things like washes.
01:29:15
Torben Rothgeb
I'll mix up pastel. Absolutely. Like over the, um, bare metal foil, I'll mix up some future with a little pastel black and I'll run it over the foil to kind of make ah a better line. And then also to more durable. So it doesn't pull off. It's a really great idea. I've never done that.
01:29:31
Torben Rothgeb
also helps out for, um, yellowing. Like if you're building a nineties NASCAR, unless it's one of those decals that Mike, uh, Mike's decals that's reissued, um, you're dealing with kit decals and it's the only game in town. So, um, maybe putting a future under the yellowing decal, it works. Um, and then even, um, like with that, uh, 43, 96, uh, Pontiac, um,
01:29:57
Torben Rothgeb
pontiac um I rubbed through a little bit of the color coat. And so this is a particular color. The car was painted 20 years ago. So I had to go back and get the 43 True Match tester stuff.
01:30:10
Torben Rothgeb
And I airbrushed that ah on. But again, it was 2K cleared. So I have my fingers crossed because going over 2K clear is tough because it's not very, it's not a hot, it's why it's really good because it doesn't run very hot. But if you paint anything over it, you have to worry about it crinkling.
01:30:26
Torben Rothgeb
Tamiya will crinkle the hell out of two k clear. Okay. But I got that on and then so I'm probably going to just, the little mark that I went over that's no longer clear, I'll probably just dot that a little bit with some future. Can you really see it though?
01:30:42
Torben Rothgeb
You what? Can you really see that spot? Yeah, I think you can see it. It's right over the 43. Maybe if I didn't say anything, you wouldn't have seen it. Well, no, you know it's ah that's that's something that we talked that we've talked about before, and I don't know, you know maybe not in the podcast, but People always struggle. I won't name names, but you know, the man with a thousand disguises um is constantly sharing information with a bill that he just finished that I swear that if he didn't say anything, nobody would known. No one would notice. I mean, some of the stuff's obvious decals, yeah orange peel tires way too effing big.
01:31:23
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. But I'm just saying, yeah As a general rule. Telling on yourself. Yeah. i Honestly, it's like no one needs to know about it. Did he go to a Catholic school? Is there all that shame and guilt that has confess? No. I mean, he might have done that, but he's broken a lot of rules in life.
01:31:41
Torben Rothgeb
But, you know, it's just – and, you know, see old there's a lot of sayings and proverbs and blah, blah. But, you know, you're own you're your own worst critic. yeah you are absolutely and that's absolutely true um and i mean people get away with stuff one of the things that you know well i tell i would never do would be um i would always paint the model uh-huh and i mean we've talked maybe we talked about maybe we didn't maybe it was just something in my head but i was i heard somebody say something effect of
01:32:12
Torben Rothgeb
but them With the Salvinos, some of those cars, you know you can't see anything inside there. You can just leave that white plastic. Nobody's going to know. Yeah. And honestly, that's probably true.
01:32:24
Torben Rothgeb
yeah why I mean, look at this Martin Truex car. It's great. is there ain great because You should have painted gray, right? Well, you watch the coverage because I watched ah part of the Brickyard race on Sunday and it's white.
01:32:38
Torben Rothgeb
All right. oh above the wall thats no i mean and Well, not just Bubba Wallace. All the cars I saw were white. Okay. i mean, it's hits the door panels on the inside and that's that's in the in the Salvino skit.
01:32:52
Torben Rothgeb
And I mean, you know The thing I like about that is that you know if you're going to paint it, you can you can paint it flat white, which is what I'm probably going to do, or Tamiya light gray primer. Tamiya white primer, which would go and it was fine. Right, exactly. The only thing is the chassis pan is black.
01:33:09
Torben Rothgeb
Right. So you might just paint the chassis pan Tamiya gray primer, and then you're good. i mean I mean, not all the cars are exactly the same, but my point was that, going back to the beginning, was that, you know...
01:33:23
Torben Rothgeb
People don't, you know, if you don't open the hood, somebody's not going to see if there's an engine in there. They're not going to see if it has exhaust pipe. Mike Dowd, my favorite story of his when he first built a bunch of the Polar Lights kits.
01:33:35
Torben Rothgeb
I was excited. had them on over to him. This was yeah years ago. You know, this is in the late 90s when the Talladegas all came out. And Mike, I go, Mike, these are great. And he goes, pick one up.
01:33:47
Torben Rothgeb
I picked him up. There's no engine in it. And he just glued the exhaust there. Did he paint the underside? Well, remember your famous model. The famous 65 Galaxy. With the top, top secret exhaust. Yes. Thank you very much. I don't know. I mean, that was Jim Ha to a T. I know.
01:34:03
Torben Rothgeb
So, but but anyway. but Mike was fine with that. Yeah. But getting back to the topic. Going back to the question. This is things that I feel like I do that I don't necessarily know anybody else does.
01:34:13
Torben Rothgeb
Another one I used to do or still do is I would cut the bare metal foil with a ruler in a straight line, and then I would try to get it as close to it as possible so I wouldn't necessarily have to cut it if it was a straight line.
Paint Color Challenges and Mopar Accuracy
01:34:27
Torben Rothgeb
Or if I did have to cut it, if it was like a side piece of trim, like on the side of 44, I would at least get it straight on the top and I would cut the bottom that you don't see as much. Right. It's a good point. now So I'm just thinking of, I have these things and I thought I was the only one who did it. And then Bob Halliday did a thing where he showed how he did it. Are there things that you do that you think that you're the only one? It's the old gray minds think alike.
01:34:50
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, exactly. No, well that's what it is. the only thing I would say is that whenever I bare metal foil, I go back. I put the body in primer and then I take the end of a, ah head not really sharp,
01:35:01
Torben Rothgeb
put the back end of an exacto-bladed piece. I don't know anyone else do this, but I just go along the top of the window rail, topper any place I'm going to put foil in there. It's got a hole to dig into. It really does help a lot. It helps at a ton. I talked to some people about it, and it just goes like, no, this works really well. you know so That's the only thing I can think of.
01:35:24
Torben Rothgeb
Well, i mean I'll go back to something I just did this the other day. um I like still like to use the... um The, I don't know, whatever you want to call it. Tube glue?
01:35:36
Torben Rothgeb
No, when you're actually going paint the body, I don't use the Tamiya, whatever you want to call that. The sand? The sand. I actually make the coat hanger thing work. Oh, you like the coat I still like the coat hanger thing. Okay. And the reason I like it is because can put the body in there and it sits upside down you pick up the coat hanger, you know,
01:35:58
Torben Rothgeb
if there's any dust that's going to land on the car, it's going to go on the underside of It's not going to land on the bottom, on the top of the body. And that's foolproof. The other thing, you take it in the other room, hang it down a,
01:36:10
Torben Rothgeb
coat hook or whatever nobody's even in there you know what's this well but i mean it's just um that's a great idea and i think what i've done to uh uh fight against that is i'll paint it in two different sessions where i'll paint the roof and i keep it sideways because like if you paint a car and you just paint the roof i was noticing a bunch of gunk was coming up so then And then I'll put it under ah you know one of those cases because I'll take the Tamiya top part of it off and put it on and then put a case over it and then go back and paint the sides.
01:36:45
Torben Rothgeb
and And then again, put it under a case. and also yeah i mean a lot of A lot of this stuff, I think, is just means and methods. It's just that's what you've always done.
01:36:57
Torben Rothgeb
i still use Popsicle sticks. And I, you paper you know, masking tape and I put them, like, if I'm going to, let's say you're going to paint four rims.
01:37:08
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. And they're all black or they're all body color, whatever they are. That's what I'll do is I'll get two popsicle sticks, tape them together.
01:37:19
Torben Rothgeb
And then I take masking tape and I make like a little, you know, whatever you want to call it. Stan. I mean, they sell these. different alligator clips and all this stuff. It's like, why why waste the money?
01:37:30
Torben Rothgeb
You know, there's, there's all kinds of, you know, stuff at the five and dime store they used to buy just for what you needed it for, you know? So, ah you know, another one I feel like that I'm one of the few people to do uh, I don't necessarily wash my bodies.
01:37:46
Torben Rothgeb
I will sand them and then paint them straight, paint them. I usually wash them. There's a lot of talk about that. Actually, um Bill Geary did a big study on it.
01:37:59
Torben Rothgeb
you know i mean He's probably one of the best model builders I've ever seen. but He's also very anal yeah with stuff. That helps you model. That does help you, though. that but He did he did like some i don't know what you want to call it his own investigative work or whatever, but he found that it really was the plastic...
01:38:18
Torben Rothgeb
that was the contaminant, not the- Mold release? Not the mold release. i mean And it really made a lot of sense to me because every company's different. But he was just saying that randomly it's different.
01:38:33
Torben Rothgeb
And I mean, i don't know. I still wash this stuff. It's not a habit. I mean, this is just, yeah it's just out of habit. And it always has been the best thing that I ever could have done.
01:38:46
Torben Rothgeb
Mm-hmm. Well, one of the friends of ah the show, Andy Martin. Friends of the hobby. Friends of the hobby. I was talking about washing one of those little pieces and dropping it. And he's like, why do you wash the parts?
01:38:59
Torben Rothgeb
It's more room for making them. Especially if it's hum humid, then the water will not dry and mess up your paint job. And so since then, I have not washed one body. I washed a resin one. I washed a resin one and Wesley bleach one.
01:39:14
Torben Rothgeb
But other than that, I have not. And I haven't, I don't think, other than that Mustang, had to strip a paint job in 15 years. Well, here's one, you know, it's like ancient Chinese secret. But no, um like, for example, i mean, because your eyes aren't obviously as good as they used to be.
01:39:33
Torben Rothgeb
So I know, like... Like, for example, and this is ah this is a Mopar thing. So, you know, if you have vitamin C, the color for the engine. Okay.
01:39:44
Torben Rothgeb
And then you have vitamin C, the color on the body. Uh-huh. The vitamin C for the engine is a solid color. And the metallic one. And the body is a metallic. And, of course, testers made that lacquer.
01:39:58
Torben Rothgeb
As metallic. As metallic. They didn't make it as an engine color. Uh-huh. I've painted it. I've used it on it on an engine, you know, with the metallic, i you know. but Once you get the valve covers on there and all the wiring and the exhaust.
01:40:15
Torben Rothgeb
Well, I can't see. what What color is that block? That's a tough one to I'll show you what I was using for my photo reference because I was telling you, you pick a picture and you go with it.
01:40:26
Torben Rothgeb
and no And no one's going to see it. Well. Well, in theory, right right? So this is my picture that I went with. And I'm looking at that. And to me... i remember when I saw this when you had it down here another time or something like that. To me, it looks very Tamiya orange.
01:40:45
Torben Rothgeb
And so that that is what I felt like that orange, that Tamiya orange is. Looks great. Looks close to that. um so Yeah, well, you you know there's only going to be... Let's see.
01:40:58
Torben Rothgeb
three people that are going to pick it apart. And they're all related. Because... No, I'm just saying, you know, it's subjective. We talked about this before. Well, here Mike Scott's Hemi Orange. Yeah, I know.
01:41:13
Torben Rothgeb
And I use that... Well, you can't go wrong with it, but you're you're talking about two different things, though, Tarvin. I use that to paint this Hemi, right? Yeah, yeah. no And so, to me, this looked much darker. Yep.
01:41:29
Torben Rothgeb
than what was in the picture. So what did you use for that paint? I picked the picture. I used this. This is what I used. What did you for primer under it? It was Tamiya Light Gray. That's why it's darker.
01:41:39
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. I would use the white. Yeah, I'd do the white next time. But again, me, and again, that's why you pick a picture and you go with the picture. That's very true. I mean, that matches the picture very much. Mm-hmm.
01:41:53
Torben Rothgeb
you know i mean i can so yeah Sorry, podcast audience, you can't see this. well i know and This is the Daytona, right? But we are talking about, I'm i'm comparing the Tamiya lacquer that is a much lighter orange.
01:42:06
Torben Rothgeb
And then from Mike Scott, I got the Mopar engine paint that you would buy at a body shop or Napa or something like that. And it came out much darker. And my picture was but lighter.
01:42:18
Torben Rothgeb
So I went with that. Cool. And that can't last you a while, too. It will. Well, next time, I think I will airbrush it with some God Tears. It'll be really shiny then.
01:42:30
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, with the rattle can sometimes that does. And it's I think it is somehow enamel, maybe. It is enamel. That's what all their pants are. Yeah. And so that's why if I mix that up with the God's Tears...
01:42:44
Torben Rothgeb
and white primer maybe be a little closer. But um I think I was talking to my maybe my brother just the other day, and they were talking about Hemi engine colors of that era. Be careful.
01:42:57
Torben Rothgeb
Yes, you can. Anytime with any Mopar stuff, you're going to get raked over the cars. But I feel like I've noticed it more so with people who are into Mopars. Yeah.
01:43:11
Torben Rothgeb
No, I don't think so. I mean, I'm sure there's four. seen some GM people that are pretty anal. Yeah, yeah. ge I mean, Pontiac, GTO people are as bad as it gets. Yeah. and i've I've seen it at some of the shows. Mm-hmm.
01:43:25
Torben Rothgeb
So. Yeah, yeah. All right, so those are things that you do that you know maybe other people you don't know. think there's more. yeah Well, building NASCAR sometimes feel like I'm ah one of the only people. There are play camps and Jay Savarese's of the world. and There's a few others, but it's certainly not like it is in the ninety s It was good to see Chris Vick and Jim Allen both did a next gen. You guys are doing next gen. So kudos to Salvino's. They have people.
01:43:55
Torben Rothgeb
Well, I mean, if you, you know, i don't know how much you will cover, watch the Acme show down in Atlanta. And that's been going on for a long time. The same guys are the ones that are winning the top 10 with the NASCARs are Jay Savarese and Clay Kemp. And maybe like, maybe a couple other, well, Mark Batson. He always comes to that show.
01:44:17
Torben Rothgeb
um But I mean, that's that's it. I mean, there might be somebody who shows up with a Salvinas car because it's new. Yeah. But, you know, like I told you about his cutaway car that Clay's working on right now. And then he's doing a, I think it's a Kyle Larson car from okay five or six years ago. And that's the one he's using them the um carbon fiber seat on.
01:44:40
Torben Rothgeb
So virus it's just so importanting it's a 42 car, not a 5 car? It's a 42 car. Oh, okay. Because it's got, you know, the the um marking on the seat. It looks like, when i first looked it, it's like, is that Days of Thunder? No, it's not. But it's like the same color and everything. Uh-huh. So what was that?
01:45:00
Torben Rothgeb
It wasn't there. What was the sponsor? Well, he had Target was one of the sponsors. Did he have, but I mean for the number 42. Because it Newman Haas, right, in our... No, it was, who's the big indie guy? chi Chip Ganassi? Chip Ganassi.
01:45:17
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, what was that sponsor that he had? Number 42. It wasn't, it wasn't Coors. It wasn't Target. No, it wasn't Haviland. What color was it?
01:45:30
Torben Rothgeb
Green. It's yeah it's one of one of the sponsors like from Days of Thunder. That's what I'm thinking it is. City Chevrolet? Nope. It's not green. Was it mellow yellow? What's the mellow yellow? Was it mellow yellow around then, six years ago?
01:45:47
Torben Rothgeb
Anyway, that's what it looked like when I saw it. Anyway, it doesn't matter. No, I do remember a green color. Those are quite tasty. Yeah, I'm glad you like them. Yeah, no, that... Yeah, that... All the calories I burned off right in here. oh come on now.
01:46:04
Torben Rothgeb
Well, maybe you can take the long way home. Yeah. take the green way super super tramp thank you all right well we are our show is uh digressing a little bit yeah as it always does down to the uh super six uh since uh you know this uh episode is dedicated to bill coulter or oh to bill coulter and he he wrote a lot uh for scale auto um or any other model car magazines for that matter, what are your six favorite articles that you can think of?
01:46:37
Torben Rothgeb
um And maybe you don't have to get six. That might be too many. But favorite articles from the model car magazines over the years. You first. I'll go wrong. um One of my favorite ones is they did an article where they built all the Darlington Southern 500 winners.
01:46:57
Torben Rothgeb
And i that was one of my favorites. Well, you
Favorite Model Car Articles and Future Projects
01:47:02
Torben Rothgeb
know, I mean, like I could single out one particular issue, but some of my favorites were obviously, that that's what we're hoping for. Well, okay. Well, I'll just say the Mopars then. Okay. So Tim Boyd would do a how to, you know, engine for a specific brand and what was the best, you know, kit for that. And then he went and did the colors for the, from the factory. So he'd have a chart yeah on one page. And I mean, it's one of those, you know, you're goingnna cut it out of the magazine. You're going keep it. You've sold one of mine. Yeah.
01:47:38
Torben Rothgeb
Well, no, I mean, it like I said, there's, there's every, brand you know, there's every brand. Mm-hmm. So anyway, I'll just leave it at that, and you can go to number two or whatever. He's your next. I'm next.
01:47:50
Torben Rothgeb
Go ahead. Mine was a Tom Weston article in the History of Formula One kits, which was fantastic. And it was in two parts, so he covered everything. He didn't do 43rds, which would be it'd be a vast hole that he'd fall into. He's passed away, so yeah he would not be able to do it for you. I know. And the magazine's not around either.
01:48:10
Torben Rothgeb
No, but he did all the 24th. Oh, yeah, no, they're fantastic. 24th, 20th, and 12th scale Formula 1 cars. So that was mine. Well, as you mentioned, the Tim Boyd articles, and I will zero out the Ford one ah with the Grabber line because I always wanted to, if they ever come out with a good Mustang kit, and they did. 10 years later, and they still had Grabber Lime. So ah thanks to that article.
01:48:38
Torben Rothgeb
And that is one of them I have cut out and put in three-room binders for all the Mopars, Fords, GMs. Well, and you guys can, you know, bang your heads together whatever. So Tom West, who is actually a good friend of mine and really, really smart guy with history of drag racing.
01:48:58
Torben Rothgeb
He did a history of drag racing models, multi, multi-issue. you know, if you're ever wondering, you know, you asked me questions and you can't talk to Andy first. So you asked me second, but you know, like if this was, you know, did they ever make a blah, blah, blah.
01:49:17
Torben Rothgeb
Cause he was, he was involved with Ravel and that kind of thing. But yeah, he had a, just, it was great. was fantastic stuff. And, uh, Fortunately, i knew a lot of that stuff ahead of time, but it was still nice to see it.
01:49:30
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. And it always helps get the word out to other people. So, yeah. Anyway, mine would be. I mean, I loved all the bench racer stuff. Those were always those were great. That's the first thing I turned to the magazine.
01:49:44
Torben Rothgeb
But I always loved. ah when they would do color photos of the real cars. oh And like there was some IndyCar ones. Pit Pass. i pit cast yeah I got to do some of those. I love those. I got have some of that stuff published.
01:49:58
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. I did the pure hell feel altered stuff. and some of Some of the top fuel cars. And I was able to use a bunch of pictures that I took. And it was great because, you know, it was like people use it for reference.
01:50:11
Torben Rothgeb
I just had... Dean was asking me about something. He was digging through all of those DVDs. That's where he found that picture, that group photo of me where he thought I looked like a – that's right. Yeah.
01:50:26
Torben Rothgeb
But he was actually looking for something in one of those DVDs or whatever. so And he found my pictures of my car that I took the pictures of, and I was like, that was really cool.
01:50:37
Torben Rothgeb
So anyway. Cool. Yeah. I would go with, I mentioned before that I wish Monogram would have done Trans Am versions, but the articles that people had taken, um like the 70 Mustang and built a Trans Am car out of it, and and then the 70 Challenger, you know Sublime one. the Who was the guy who wrote those?
01:51:02
Torben Rothgeb
Andy Kellogg did those. Well, I remember Andy Kellogg did a few, but then ah another guy did... um the Mustang. Oh, who did the Mustang? You're right. um Obviously, Drew did a few, but he didn't do the hat.
01:51:17
Torben Rothgeb
No. Well, my apologies for forgetting the name, but yeah, yeah he did a 70 Mustang and a 70 Challenger. Just detailed built-ups of doing those. Those were certainly one of my favorites.
01:51:31
Torben Rothgeb
Well, I mean, you know, we were talking about the ode to Bill Coulter. I mean, he did some fantastic articles on, you know, Sox and Martin or Richard Petty on stuff stuff that no one had done.
01:51:44
Torben Rothgeb
know, he built and actually did a how-to on the articles. And he would take, like, a current kit that came out. like a monogram muscle car or something to that effect and bring it out and and do an actual article on how to convert it into a race car.
01:52:02
Torben Rothgeb
So it's kind of like what you're saying about the Trans Am transam cars. But, you know, so, yeah, those those are always my favorites. I always like some of the surprises that you didn't expect.
01:52:16
Torben Rothgeb
Another really good article that I liked, and they did they did a bunch of them. But they got like Randy, I'm trying to think of other names. The roundtable questions. The roundtable questions about airbrushing. Well, there was those, but then there was, you know.
01:52:35
Torben Rothgeb
Common things you could use to in your builds, you know, like, but you know, obviously there's obvious choices, bare metal foil and things like that.
01:52:45
Torben Rothgeb
Like the Brad Knight aluminum pop can thing, that kind of a thing. But these were guys that built some really high coal. They drew, drew here. Water was in the, in the mix.
01:52:57
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. And maybe not Andy, but Mark Gustafson or Tim Boyd or, you know Coming up with household items that you could use. Yeah, yeah. just tips, tips that, you know, because people always, you know, write into the magazine.
01:53:13
Torben Rothgeb
What did you use for the blah, blah, blah? So and take it a next a step further and actually have things you could use. Well, to jump on that, the same thing. Well, Jim Drew and and Randy Durr did at least four issues of – Basic, you know, things to detail. What do you use? Like you say, things ah that it's in your kitchen or it's in this way to detail your model cars. yeah And they were great. I loved all every one of those, you know.
01:53:42
Torben Rothgeb
so Yeah, I mean, I think they had actually been putting all that stuff like in a binder or something to that effect to use someday. And they were able to get, you know, several issues out of it.
01:53:54
Torben Rothgeb
They were great. Mm-hmm. I remember this one article that they did where this guy took like these picture frames and he made his own display case out of them.
01:54:06
Torben Rothgeb
Cause I'm always, you know, looking for ways to display cars and stuff like that. It's a really pretty cheap way. Talked about but going to garage sales and then taking the glass from the pictures and then, you know, putting some ah just regular door trim around them.
01:54:25
Torben Rothgeb
and coming up I think he might have even done like a coffee table one. Cool. It was probably single, but the coffee table. cards inside and Well, actually, you know, one one that i there I know there were some critics.
01:54:42
Torben Rothgeb
um I won't name Andy, but anyway. um there There was a time, you know, and I know your love for starter kits, but Wayne Moyer was the guy for 43rd or for small scale.
01:54:56
Torben Rothgeb
and And he did it forever. yeah I mean, he actually outlasted the magazine because the magazine went out business he passed away after that. But he, I mean, there was a lot of stuff out there to cover her too. And he would build that stuff.
01:55:11
Torben Rothgeb
You know, it's one thing that to do an article or to review kits, but you know There's some of that early starters. They're not starter, but some of that early white metal stuff was not very good. Oh, John Day. John Day was junk.
01:55:26
Torben Rothgeb
I think Cameron has some of those. But anyway. But anyway, um no, it's just. ah I agree 100%. That's a great. Yeah. I mean, because there's things you always knew were going to be in the in the magazine. And you look forward to it every month because there'll stuff you'd never saw before.
01:55:41
Torben Rothgeb
Venture Surf. Yep. The 43rd's one i always looked at. Yeah. And the other frequently we look at Terry Jesse's articles about weathering and about – because we've seen model cars get a lot better with weathering. We still see some atrocious stuff.
01:55:58
Torben Rothgeb
i so i still think it's I still don't think it's on the forefront, though. No, it's not. It's not. i mean It's not even close, really. No, and because because you get you either get complete cars built as complete junkers,
01:56:11
Torben Rothgeb
or super, super shiny. You're somewhere. What's in between? Not a happy medium. what's what's a you know what's ah What's going to be ah a traction that drove her around Paris is that going to be two k clear yeah But then if you build it right in between. You weren't there, so you don't know. That's true. It's just like, whoa. It would be, it's like, well, you couldn't paint that. Car builders are weird about that.
01:56:37
Torben Rothgeb
And other guys are the same. yeah so it's Weird is a good word So Terry Jesse's stuff was really cool. I thought what he did was really great. Yes. Because he didn't see whether... The cowboy Cadillac. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a 72 pickup truck and it had the thing in the bag. I mean, it isn't Bill Borden, but he was good. No, but he's actually still around because he's on the Spotlight Hobbies message board and he's on Facebook because I've seen him post stuff now.
01:57:01
Torben Rothgeb
But yeah, no, it's... These people are all still, you know, unless they're pay fast, they're probably still building. Right. Yeah. Which is great, you know, and that that just shows you the...
01:57:12
Torben Rothgeb
you know, how important it is to it as by most people. Absolutely. So, yeah. Whose turn was it? I'm kind of running out of gas here with that. I think, uh, yes, I think it is. Um, is it time?
01:57:26
Torben Rothgeb
Well, I, I would say, uh, well, I just, because I just got done with that 60, uh, Plymouth Petty car last summer. Um, and Coulter had an article on that. So any of those articles, uh, between him and Drew Highwater when they were,
01:57:40
Torben Rothgeb
You know, it and and like when the Polar Lights kit first came out, he built a ah David Pearson. And just, you know, being able to step-by-step walk through those those things.
01:57:53
Torben Rothgeb
All the bench racer stuff was great. And it was interesting to see Drew. His focus clearly was an NASCAR and drag cars. But occasionally he would do like a Formula One car. Really nice sprint cars and that kind of thing too, though. Sprint cars, and he did, but then he would do an occasional...
01:58:08
Torben Rothgeb
You know, like, ah um be a ah Fisher kit or something. But then you had Mark Havokan came in in between. And Mark built like, model factory hero kits and stuff that was like, out of the reach of most people are going to afford or want to build. And I think,
01:58:23
Torben Rothgeb
Andy Kellogg was a good middle ground guy. And he covered a lot of stuff. I really liked how when Model King reissued the old MPC NASCAR kits, the 72 Monte Carlo, the Chevy Laguna, you know he came out and built you know like a Bobby Allison 72 Monte Carlo, and he built a Cale Yarborough, Holly Farms Laguna. Was that Andy Kellogg? Yeah. Yeah.
01:58:48
Torben Rothgeb
In one of the bench racers to say, yeah, these are model king kits, but they make aftermarket decals and it's not too hard. And then another Bill Coulter article that he did where he showed you how to, if you have to use the MPC chassis, this is what you can at least do to make it look close to what it should be.
01:59:08
Torben Rothgeb
So that was another good um Bill Coulter article. I was also thinking when you're talking about weathering, they had when they first did the Trumpeter, was it a 112 GT40? Oh, yeah. um The buildup, I think, it was either that or a Lola, but I remember a guy building a race version of that, but he did mildly weather it.
01:59:31
Torben Rothgeb
I appreciate that. yeah And that was a good article. Because those cars, when they run, obviously, 24 hours, they're going to be filthy at the end. Mm-hmm. You know, I mean, Andy did a great job because he would do things like, you know, I'm going to build Trans Am cars.
01:59:45
Torben Rothgeb
Well, he did a Chaparral Am caravan that I remember. Didn't do a lot of open wheel race cars, he did a lot of great sports cars. yeah You know, he did a lot of great stuff that was really, really spot on.
01:59:57
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. so Now, I remember John Zweber being really sad when he talked to his widow when he was out in the California show. because he died kind of suddenly, I think, right? It's pretty, it wasn't that old. it wasn't that old.
02:00:09
Torben Rothgeb
You know, so it's too bad. Yeah. Yeah. So bad. Too bad. Well, number 12 is in the book. Number 12 is in the book. And we still don't have an outro, but the gong is the outro. So thank you for listening. Thank you, Jim. We've got two hours of what I hope people want to listen to.
02:00:27
Torben Rothgeb
So have a great... Can't wait to do it again. Yes. Enjoy the rest of your summer. Next episode, we'll be back to talk about Iowa, Brainerd, more plans for Detroit, and...
02:00:41
Torben Rothgeb
one of my 10 projects that I'm working on. Jim will have the SVG car done by then. And you guys will be able to talk about your experience with the next-gen kit. So please join us. Just you. yeah Thank you. I'm the guinea pig. You're the guinea pig. He's the canary in the coal mine. Yes. And maybe Salvino's will ah we'll have the Jimmy Clark to mclar car out. You can order one.
02:01:05
Torben Rothgeb
and Maybe two. The camera will get one. All right. Well, take care, everybody, and God bless.
02:01:16
Torben Rothgeb
why don't we have